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| 00:10.06 | x29a | Gyjf: you should check out the getting started docs |
| 00:10.29 | Gyjf | but the gcc manual is loooong :( |
| 00:10.29 | x29a | Gyjf: basically, u use an arm-gcc, but there is toolchains and SDKs which easy the entrylevel for you |
| 00:11.07 | DocScrutinizer | Gyjf: simple answer: not at all |
| 00:11.32 | DocScrutinizer | get the SDK and use it as described |
| 00:11.38 | x29a | i meant qt/maemo, www.developer.nokia.com/Develop/Qt/Getting_started/ |
| 00:12.24 | Gyjf | isnt it easier to just compile it and scp it over? |
| 00:13.36 | DocScrutinizer | definitely not |
| 00:13.52 | DocScrutinizer | as you need to crosscompile |
| 00:14.12 | DocScrutinizer | target==ARM, you know? |
| 00:14.31 | Gyjf | i thought that would be easier |
| 00:14.37 | Sc0rpius | the best solution is to have Scratchbox setup and running |
| 00:14.54 | Sc0rpius | since even if you manage to arm-gcc in your PC and scp it, you'll end up do it 123974612873461287364 times |
| 00:15.04 | Sc0rpius | do it the first time, a bug, compile again, another time, another bug, etc. |
| 00:15.27 | Sc0rpius | with scratchbox and your emulator in your PC, you will scp it when it's done. |
| 00:15.29 | Gyjf | i have working sourcecode and i only need one program atm |
| 00:15.36 | DocScrutinizer | and you got no libs without the SDK installed |
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| 00:15.48 | x29a | Gyjf: which program? screen? |
| 00:16.07 | SpeedEvil | Gyjf: One way is to copy / on the n900 to /home/user/chroot |
| 00:16.22 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: ?? |
| 00:16.29 | SpeedEvil | Gyjf: then enable the tools repo, chroot into that (as root) and apt-get install build-essentials. |
| 00:16.38 | SpeedEvil | If you want to build on device. |
| 00:16.46 | x29a | yay |
| 00:16.47 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: Gyjf wasn't asking for native compilation |
| 00:16.49 | Sc0rpius | what a mess |
| 00:17.54 | DocScrutinizer | [2011-10-25 01:55:37] <Gyjf> could anyone tell me how to compile (c code) with gcc for the n900 ? |
| 00:17.54 | x29a | Gyjf: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Final_SDK_Installation |
| 00:17.59 | DocScrutinizer | FOR, not ON |
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| 00:18.19 | x29a | the gcc on the n900 is still for the n900 |
| 00:18.28 | DocScrutinizer | yep, that's the right wwiki page |
| 00:18.41 | Gyjf | i realy only need one program compiled, didnt think it would be that much work :/ |
| 00:18.59 | x29a | no need to be picky, the question wasnt stated clearly, but since we got all possibilities covered, its Gyjf move now |
| 00:19.10 | Gyjf | thx for the help anyway |
| 00:19.13 | x29a | Gyjf: well which one is it then? maybe its in the repos? |
| 00:19.16 | DocScrutinizer | Gyjf: you need the toolchain set up, no matter how many programs |
| 00:19.31 | x29a | and setting up the maemo sdk isnt that hard, there is basically two scripts and following the wiki |
| 00:19.32 | Gyjf | its not, pretty certain |
| 00:19.50 | Gyjf | no name, friend wrote it |
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| 00:20.24 | x29a | Gyjf: if it has no deps, i can compile it for you |
| 00:20.33 | x29a | just once, no debugging |
| 00:20.36 | DocScrutinizer | see? :-D |
| 00:20.45 | DocScrutinizer | we are a nice bunch here |
| 00:20.54 | Gyjf | i noticed |
| 00:21.13 | Gyjf | ill just get the skd then |
| 00:21.16 | Gyjf | *sdk |
| 00:22.44 | x29a | must be highly classified or tremendiosly weird hack ur compiling there, but yes, getting the sdk is the best solution |
| 00:22.52 | DocScrutinizer | just wonders why nobody ever made an up-to-date VM for this whole crap |
| 00:23.04 | Sc0rpius | because nobody cares about Maemo anymore?¿ |
| 00:23.31 | x29a | naa, the devs just dont want to make the entrylevel too easy, think of the android market with all the crap farting apps |
| 00:23.48 | Gyjf | he is picky about who gets the source, sorry :) |
| 00:23.53 | x29a | Sc0rpius: denying maemos death is rule #1 in here, aint it? |
| 00:24.06 | x29a | Gyjf: np |
| 00:24.45 | DocScrutinizer | ponders another turn of GOF |
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| 00:25.17 | DocScrutinizer | hmmmmmm AV-plug |
| 00:25.42 | Gyjf | n900 cant emulate 32bit can it? |
| 00:26.10 | DocScrutinizer | please rephrase |
| 00:26.37 | x29a | Gyjf: you mean long double? |
| 00:26.54 | DocScrutinizer | o.O |
| 00:26.59 | Gyjf | emulate 32bit processor to execute x86 compiled binaries |
| 00:27.13 | DocScrutinizer | it can, but that'S a PITA |
| 00:27.31 | Sc0rpius | to execute a COMPILED x86 binary?=!? |
| 00:27.38 | Sc0rpius | you need QEMU for that and who knows what else |
| 00:27.51 | Sc0rpius | and tons of things, a whole x86 environment |
| 00:27.57 | Sc0rpius | in the poor device |
| 00:28.25 | DocScrutinizer | http://www.tuug.fi/~toni/serendipity/index.php?/archives/9-Windows-NT-4.0-running-on-N900!.html |
| 00:28.27 | x29a | Gyjf: depending on your inet connection, you could be compiling already |
| 00:28.50 | Sc0rpius | well there's gcc for the device. If it's a tiny .c what you want to compile you could try to get the gcc for the N900 and compile it there |
| 00:29.09 | Sc0rpius | if it's a big project, ./configure and stuff, get the scratchbox |
| 00:29.21 | Gyjf | its pretty small |
| 00:29.55 | Gyjf | why isnt gcc or g++ in the repos btw? |
| 00:30.02 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 00:30.19 | Gyjf | or do i have the wrong repos? |
| 00:30.28 | DocScrutinizer | so we're actually back to SpeedEvil |
| 00:30.36 | ShadowJK | installing gcc on device consumes alot of space |
| 00:30.46 | Sc0rpius | http://ossguy.com/?p=475 |
| 00:30.51 | Sc0rpius | waits for bots |
| 00:30.52 | Sc0rpius | no bots |
| 00:31.00 | Sc0rpius | the link is "How to install GCC on the Nokia N900" |
| 00:31.01 | DocScrutinizer | ??? |
| 00:31.08 | Sc0rpius | usually there's a bot that says what's the link is about |
| 00:31.09 | Gyjf | yeah im looking at it |
| 00:31.40 | DocScrutinizer | nah, there's no such bot here |
| 00:31.47 | Sc0rpius | aww :( |
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| 00:32.36 | DocScrutinizer | there's a mod who might kick you for posting URLs without comment and no clue in the URL itself ;-P |
| 00:33.02 | Sc0rpius | hehe |
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| 00:36.02 | DocScrutinizer | btw plain build-essentials might still fit on rootfs |
| 00:36.40 | DocScrutinizer | libs get nasty |
| 00:37.00 | Sc0rpius | I wouldn't EVER install that on my N900 |
| 00:37.12 | DocScrutinizer | but for a "hello world" I guess you'd not even need a chroot/optification |
| 00:37.16 | Sc0rpius | even if I write everything down and then uninstall it, I'm sure I will lose several precious MBs of my rootfs |
| 00:37.30 | DocScrutinizer | for sure you will |
| 00:38.48 | DocScrutinizer | back in the good ol'days you unpacked the tarball to your home |
| 00:39.10 | DocScrutinizer | even a subdir of your home |
| 00:39.43 | DocScrutinizer | then added ~/<subdir>/bin to your PATH, and hacked away |
| 00:41.06 | Sc0rpius | and then a nice rm -rf to that <subdir> |
| 00:41.07 | DocScrutinizer | my home still always has a /bin dir |
| 00:41.54 | DocScrutinizer | err ~/bin |
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| 04:14.52 | jonwil | is there a way to tell apt-get to reinstall a package even if the package is already installed? |
| 04:15.04 | jonwil | without first removing it |
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| 04:17.38 | jonwil | found ity |
| 04:18.20 | DocScrutinizer | --force-reinstall or sth like that |
| 04:18.56 | DocScrutinizer | --reinstall ? |
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| 04:36.22 | timeless_xchat | ping |
| 04:36.37 | timeless_xchat | which device friendly repo has make? |
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| 04:51.40 | Macer | lmao |
| 04:52.04 | jonwil | anyone any good with autoconf and makefile.am files? |
| 04:52.04 | Macer | my n900 is shipping from overseas and wont get here for a month |
| 04:52.21 | Macer | awesome |
| 04:52.48 | Macer | i dont think my g2 is going to last much longer. it is on its last limb |
| 04:52.55 | Macer | :-) |
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| 05:17.38 | orangey | hello all |
| 05:17.44 | orangey | what's the best twitter client? |
| 05:19.49 | orangey | hmm. sounds like khweeteur vs. tweedsuit |
| 05:19.53 | doc|home | that's not a reasonable question. Your definition of best and ours could be completely different. |
| 05:20.13 | orangey | doc|home: true. I thought about that. I figured that if there were a clear winner, that would emerge |
| 05:20.41 | orangey | e.g., if you say what's the best desktop in linux, you'll get 4 answers out of a possible 20+ desktop environments out there |
| 05:20.42 | doc|home | if it's down to two then try both and see which you prefer |
| 05:20.50 | orangey | doc|home: yeah, will do. |
| 05:20.54 | orangey | what do you use, if any? |
| 05:21.10 | doc|home | I don't, twitter's a waste of time :P |
| 05:21.26 | orangey | of course it is! |
| 05:21.32 | orangey | but communication in general is : ) |
| 05:21.46 | doc|home | there's such a thing as productive twitter :) |
| 05:21.53 | doc|home | er, damn it |
| 05:21.56 | doc|home | productive communcation |
| 05:22.07 | orangey | there's such a thing as productive twitter, too |
| 05:22.13 | doc|home | rubbish |
| 05:22.20 | orangey | my usecase is pretty good |
| 05:22.22 | doc|home | now you're just being ridiculous |
| 05:22.33 | orangey | I used to receive links about interesting articles from people via email |
| 05:22.44 | orangey | I had filters more or less categorize them in appropriate folders |
| 05:22.53 | orangey | now, by and large those people have all moved to identi.ca/twitter |
| 05:23.07 | orangey | the good ones are still referencing/linking good articles for me to read |
| 05:23.16 | orangey | just in a different place. |
| 05:23.40 | orangey | I actually don't understand why you can't follow public twitter feeds without an account, actually |
| 05:23.49 | orangey | but no real client has that functionality |
| 05:24.14 | orangey | anyhow, I think that if you back off of your dogmatic view of twitter as total garbage, you'll realize that you can dumpster dive some good stuff sometimes |
| 05:24.26 | doc|home | either way, you're still in a dumpster |
| 05:25.02 | orangey | people eat out of dumpsters |
| 05:25.17 | orangey | sometimes really delicious stuff |
| 05:25.21 | doc|home | oh, well, when you put it that way... |
| 05:25.30 | orangey | like a friday night outside a grocery store.. yum! |
| 05:25.50 | doc|home | I'm going to go over here now to talk to the not-crazy dumpster-food eating people |
| 05:25.52 | doc|home | ----> |
| 05:25.55 | doc|home | :) |
| 05:26.00 | orangey | hahahahaha! |
| 05:26.35 | orangey | what's your main means of communication? |
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| 05:26.59 | orangey | hmm. khweeteur's installation segfaults |
| 05:28.31 | orangey | sweet! tweedsuit lets you add RSS feeds too! |
| 05:28.34 | orangey | but no identi.ca |
| 05:30.12 | orangey | as expected, both together would be the perfect product |
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| 08:56.13 | jack_lt | DocScrutinizer2, I need to download a charger script? where to find it? |
| 08:57.43 | Sicelo^ | ~hostmode-charging |
| 08:57.43 | infobot | well, hostmode-powered is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=921203#post921203 |
| 08:58.01 | Sicelo^ | jack_lt: http://enivax.net/jk/n900/charge.sh.txt |
| 08:58.20 | jack_lt | 404 Not Found |
| 08:58.39 | Sicelo^ | use this one actually.. latest http://enivax.net/jk/n900/charge21.sh.txt |
| 08:59.02 | jack_lt | ok thx |
| 09:04.40 | jack_lt | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:04.52 | jack_lt | do I need anything special to run this? ^ |
| 09:05.01 | Sicelo^ | no. |
| 09:05.08 | jack_lt | k |
| 09:05.37 | Sicelo^ | just run the charge script.. just make sure to use the correct order, ie, don't connect external power before hitting VBoost ON |
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| 09:06.04 | Sicelo^ | the other commands he put in there were for testing, etc. u don't need them |
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| 09:10.03 | Sicelo^ | if u are using latest booston script, the dialog to the effect that usb power has been shut down for no reason is not an error msg. took me long to learn |
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| 09:18.50 | jack_lt | Sicelo^, charging seems to work, but my keybd doesn't work yet together with charging |
| 09:19.06 | jack_lt | Sicelo^, i've it connected to the active hub |
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| 09:20.11 | jack_lt | Sicelo^, Y-cale, 2xA + 1x mini B: main A to upstream hub, other A to downstream hub (charging), usb keybd to other downstream hub |
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| 09:26.39 | Sicelo^ | did it get recognized after enumeration? check dmesg |
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| 09:36.21 | jack_n900 | http://fpaste.org/a4KZ/ |
| 09:36.38 | jack_n900 | Sicelo^, |
| 09:36.40 | cityLights | I dont understand 700$ for the N9? |
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| 09:45.55 | cityLights | hi lardman |
| 09:45.59 | cityLights | coming to fosdem? |
| 09:47.46 | jack_n900 | hmm |
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| 09:55.43 | Sicelo^ | try with only the y-cable |
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| 09:57.07 | jack_n900 | without hub? |
| 09:57.55 | Sicelo^ | yes |
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| 09:59.26 | jack_n900 | with charger? |
| 09:59.50 | jack_n900 | ./charger |
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| 10:00.17 | Sicelo^ | yeah. see doc's pic as well. |
| 10:01.11 | Sicelo^ | also, u may want to restart h-e-n. |
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| 10:07.41 | jack_n900 | it has nothing to charge from I guess |
| 10:08.19 | jack_n900 | without hub |
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| 10:09.50 | jack_n900 | when do u run logger stopping boostoff |
| 10:10.30 | jack_n900 | after booston and connecting usb y + hub? |
| 10:11.20 | jack_n900 | or before connecting usb stuff |
| 10:12.08 | Sicelo^ | u don't need those. just run hen as usual. when u enable vboost, connect your whole setup to N900. enumerate... |
| 10:12.23 | Sicelo^ | then you can start the charging script |
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| 10:25.03 | jack_n900 | hm i ve my keybd connected with y only |
| 10:25.12 | jack_n900 | no charging |
| 10:25.27 | jack_n900 | low speed |
| 10:25.43 | jack_n900 | keybd conn. to main A |
| 10:26.14 | Sicelo^ | how do u connect the B to N900? |
| 10:26.44 | jack_n900 | micro B directly |
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| 10:28.19 | Sicelo^ | your Y-cable has direct conn to N900? wow! |
| 10:28.51 | jack_n900 | with micro usb |
| 10:29.47 | jack_n900 | hmm if I start charger now and connct other A to hub it seems to charge |
| 10:29.53 | Sicelo^ | ok. so u must. 1) connect external power to y-cable. and connect kbb. but not to N900 yet. 2) start hen, then soon after u hit Vboost, connect the whole thing to N900 |
| 10:30.23 | Sicelo^ | 3) start the charge script.. u can also enumerate at this time |
| 10:30.59 | jack_n900 | this is what i described right? |
| 10:32.06 | jack_n900 | keyb to main |
| 10:32.11 | jack_n900 | low speed |
| 10:32.35 | jack_n900 | micro usb to n900 |
| 10:32.43 | Sicelo^ | then i dunno why it's not working. my n900 is actually happier with external power than without |
| 10:32.45 | jack_n900 | othet A to hub |
| 10:33.01 | jack_n900 | its working now |
| 10:33.07 | jack_n900 | afaik |
| 10:33.48 | Sicelo^ | working? as well as charging? |
| 10:33.59 | jack_n900 | looks like |
| 10:34.32 | jack_n900 | but keybd is directly to n900 via Y |
| 10:34.43 | Sicelo^ | :) |
| 10:34.49 | jack_n900 | does that mean it sucks more power? |
| 10:34.59 | jack_n900 | or gets its power from the hub via the Y |
| 10:35.16 | Sicelo^ | u also have hhub connected? |
| 10:35.23 | Sicelo^ | s/hh/h/ |
| 10:35.46 | lardman | hey cityLights |
| 10:35.56 | jack_n900 | one A from Y goes to the hub to get power |
| 10:36.03 | jack_n900 | the non main A |
| 10:36.05 | lardman | sorry for the slow reply, probably joined when I switched laptop on and checked my mail |
| 10:36.22 | Sicelo^ | ok. it's fine like that |
| 10:36.40 | jack_n900 | the percentage from .charger does it give the state of battery? |
| 10:36.52 | Sicelo^ | power is coming from the hub. N900 has stopped providing that power. |
| 10:36.58 | jack_n900 | from 58 to 60% now |
| 10:37.21 | Sicelo^ | charger script is working fine. :) u are charging, yes.. and it is correct state of battery |
| 10:37.35 | jack_n900 | ok cool |
| 10:37.43 | jack_n900 | ha ha nice nice |
| 10:37.54 | jack_n900 | geeky that is ;) |
| 10:38.23 | Sicelo^ | very :P |
| 10:38.29 | Sicelo^ | i use it to show off, lol |
| 10:38.41 | jack_n900 | he |
| 10:38.50 | jack_n900 | need to go now very fast .. |
| 10:38.51 | jack_n900 | thx |
| 10:38.53 | jack_n900 | bbl |
| 10:39.03 | jack_n900 | comes too late |
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| 10:59.06 | DocScrutinizer | Sicelo^: thanks |
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| 11:04.41 | Sicelo^ | thanks too :) |
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| 12:51.50 | RST38h | http://adage.com/article/digital/nokia-windows-phone-miss-holidays-u-s/230604/ |
| 12:54.36 | SpeedEvil | Insane. |
| 12:54.50 | SpeedEvil | And it's probably too late to push n9s into the chanel, even if they wanted |
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| 13:31.22 | vdv | can anybody advise some working how-to to install nitdroid UMay on internal mmc? |
| 13:31.32 | vdv | i've looked here http://wiki.maemo.org/Nitdroid_easy_install_on_EMMC#Installing_Nitdroid |
| 13:31.43 | vdv | but not sure if it works |
| 13:31.53 | vdv | because there's no instruction to install multiboot |
| 13:32.28 | Dibblah | Wow! |
| 13:32.29 | Dibblah | http://www.dealextreme.com/p/n9-3-5-lcd-touch-screen-dual-sim-dual-network-standby-quadband-gsm-cell-phone-java-black-103485 |
| 13:32.44 | Dibblah | An N9 for $76.40 ;) ;) ;) |
| 13:32.47 | ShadowJK | lol |
| 13:33.39 | Dibblah | It does Java! That must be good, right? Dual sim, too! |
| 13:34.27 | Sicelo^ | vdv: i haven't used it. but i suppose multiboot comes in at step 2, Enable (all) repos |
| 13:35.31 | Sicelo^ | which is followed, after a few steps, by apt-get install nitdroid-installer |
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| 13:47.11 | vdv | Sicelo, thanks |
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| 13:50.27 | vdv | Sicelo, but you have nitdroid installed on internal mmc? |
| 13:50.49 | Sicelo^ | no. i don't use nitdroid. what i said is guesswork |
| 13:51.12 | crashanddie | This channel does not support nitdroid |
| 13:52.00 | Sicelo^ | :P |
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| 13:55.52 | jonwil | wonders why people dont like nitdroid that much... |
| 13:55.59 | jonwil | Is it something to do with android generally |
| 13:56.08 | jonwil | or is the port to the Nxxx just crap? |
| 13:56.30 | Sicelo^ | understands it to be 2 |
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| 14:02.39 | crashanddie | man, our server load just went from 40 to 800 in 15 minutes |
| 14:03.04 | crashanddie | CPUs still at around 60% tops, 30-40% average |
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| 14:04.33 | X-Fade | crashanddie: IO? Disk died or so? |
| 14:04.40 | crashanddie | Nope |
| 14:05.02 | X-Fade | crashanddie: Nothing in dmesg? |
| 14:05.07 | crashanddie | Disk is fine, hardware interrupts at 0.1%, software interrupts at 0.6% |
| 14:05.30 | X-Fade | vmstat shows nothing out of the ordinary? |
| 14:06.01 | crashanddie | procs -----------memory---------- ---swap-- -----io---- --system-- -----cpu------ |
| 14:06.02 | crashanddie | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:06.02 | crashanddie | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:06.04 | crashanddie | nope |
| 14:06.17 | ShadowJK | is that first line of output from vmstat... |
| 14:06.20 | X-Fade | crashanddie: run it a bit longer. |
| 14:06.34 | X-Fade | crashanddie: vmstat 1, and see after 5 secs or so. |
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| 14:08.10 | crashanddie | http://slexy.org/raw/s2ThK0WjUS |
| 14:08.51 | X-Fade | crashanddie: Just a lot of processes. |
| 14:08.55 | crashanddie | aye |
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| 14:09.46 | crashanddie | but there's 200 processes running, how can the load shoot up to 800? |
| 14:10.02 | SpeedEvil | threads |
| 14:10.07 | crashanddie | none |
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| 15:02.59 | vdv | how can i get list of installed packages? with dpkg -l? |
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| 15:14.00 | flux | yes. another way is dpkg --get-selection (and --set-selection is its inverse) |
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| 15:27.11 | jacks_n900 | DocScrutinizer, ok keybd + charger seems to working. nice |
| 15:28.09 | jacks_n900 | i ve usb directly to main A |
| 15:28.21 | jacks_n900 | of Y |
| 15:28.34 | jacks_n900 | micro B to n900 |
| 15:28.45 | jacks_n900 | other A usb to hub for power |
| 15:28.58 | jacks_n900 | low speed as without hub |
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| 15:35.35 | jacks_n900 | e.g. usb keybd directly to main A of Y-cable via FF adapt. |
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| 15:43.56 | jacks_n900 | e.g. usb keybd directly to main A of Y-cable via FF adapt. |
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| 17:01.02 | pwn3dU | Can I install maemo on Nokia N8? |
| 17:02.38 | petteri | not possible |
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| 17:04.46 | jacks_n900 | hm |
| 17:10.38 | pwn3dU | ok |
| 17:11.01 | pwn3dU | there is only one nokia phone which has maemo installeed, right? |
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| 17:12.24 | GeneralAntilles | Well, arguably there are /3/. |
| 17:12.28 | GeneralAntilles | But Nokia doesn't market it that way. |
| 17:12.33 | SpeedEvil | One escaped. |
| 17:12.37 | SpeedEvil | It wasn't really released. |
| 17:12.42 | GeneralAntilles | Yes |
| 17:12.42 | SpeedEvil | So, two. |
| 17:12.48 | GeneralAntilles | the other is discontinued |
| 17:12.50 | SpeedEvil | But one for sale now. |
| 17:12.57 | GeneralAntilles | and the latest one is mostly not available to anybody living in a real country. |
| 17:13.43 | pwn3dU | is it worth buying a maemo phone? |
| 17:13.53 | SpeedEvil | pwn3dU: the n9? |
| 17:14.08 | SpeedEvil | Investigate it, see if it appeals to you. |
| 17:14.11 | pwn3dU | when there is iPhones and Android? |
| 17:14.23 | pwn3dU | maemo is linux, right? |
| 17:14.42 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah |
| 17:14.52 | GeneralAntilles | iOS and Andoid are Suffering, though. |
| 17:14.57 | DocScrutinizer | unlike andridiot |
| 17:16.29 | pwn3dU | in maemo can I compile and run most of the linux porgrams? |
| 17:17.45 | crashanddie | pwn3dU, yes, but the same is true for webOS and Android to a lesser extent |
| 17:18.18 | pwn3dU | I Android I can't compile and run conventional linux programs |
| 17:18.48 | pwn3dU | In android all the programs run under Dalvik VM |
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| 17:19.12 | crashanddie | erhm, no. |
| 17:19.25 | crashanddie | In Android, you can run regular C apps, you just need to link against the Android libc. |
| 17:21.44 | pwn3dU | really? |
| 17:22.17 | crashanddie | Do you even understand what Android is? |
| 17:22.20 | crashanddie | ffs |
| 17:22.21 | DocScrutinizer | for some weird definition of "run" that might be true |
| 17:23.15 | pwn3dU | Android is linux |
| 17:23.37 | pwn3dU | the programs you write are in java |
| 17:23.40 | DocScrutinizer | err, not really |
| 17:23.45 | pwn3dU | I know you can |
| 17:23.49 | pwn3dU | run c in anroid |
| 17:24.10 | pwn3dU | using the NDK |
| 17:25.04 | pwn3dU | But it's not like a linux machine, I want to weather maemo fells like linux? |
| 17:25.10 | crashanddie | whether |
| 17:25.43 | DocScrutinizer | yes, maemo fremantle pretty much feels like it should |
| 17:26.39 | pwn3dU | *whether |
| 17:27.08 | DocScrutinizer | mostly FHS conforming, all the usual commands are available, the kernel is OSS and 99.x% linus-head |
| 17:27.10 | pwn3dU | crashanddie: autocorrect on my mac |
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| 17:28.12 | pwn3dU | @DocScrutinizer that sounds good |
| 17:28.15 | DocScrutinizer | all the usual libs are there as well, with same API |
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| 17:29.45 | DocScrutinizer | for harmattan though you got this thing called aegis that forbids I guess 70% of what I'm used to do on my linux machines on a daily basis |
| 17:30.17 | jaska | hmm, i thought they managed to bypass it? |
| 17:30.23 | DocScrutinizer | so harmattan kinda is like a linux system without root access |
| 17:30.58 | petteri | on n9 i have just put my binaries to /home/user/bin and they seem to work as they should |
| 17:31.08 | petteri | running on from terminal |
| 17:31.17 | DocScrutinizer | jaska: well, you can boot your own kernel without aegis, and watch the userland system break into pieces |
| 17:31.17 | petteri | from terminal |
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| 18:14.23 | RST38h | Ok, so they are notreleasing WP7 phones to the US |
| 18:14.40 | RST38h | Doing Europe first. So much for Elop's wonderful new strategy. |
| 18:15.08 | ShadowJK | lol |
| 18:15.35 | RST38h | If we are lucky, we will have pleasure to watch 'em release these into the same markets they released N9 to =) |
| 18:16.32 | GeneralAntilles | Awesome. |
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| 18:21.45 | ErwinJunge | RST38h: So Belgium and.... Kazakhstan? |
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| 18:22.17 | RST38h | yeah |
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| 18:25.43 | nielsle_ | The train stations in Denmark are full of N9 advertisements these days. |
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| 19:04.32 | AcTiVaTe | hi all |
| 19:06.13 | Sicelo | hey ya AcTiVaTe |
| 19:06.17 | AcTiVaTe | I was wondering if anyone could tell me why I can't get others to join my hotspot using Qt Mobile Hotspot |
| 19:07.01 | AcTiVaTe | on my laptop I don't even see the network and specfying the SSID by hand didn't change a thing |
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| 19:15.39 | jacks_n900 | DocScrutinizer, so keybd + charger is working now ... :) |
| 19:15.57 | jacks_n900 | thx |
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| 19:16.23 | DocScrutinizer | yw |
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| 21:05.10 | javispedro | sighs at the recent tmo overclocking thread |
| 21:11.37 | DocScrutinizer | ooh |
| 21:11.45 | DocScrutinizer | the one I left? :-D |
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| 21:24.47 | javispedro | that one indeed. |
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| 21:31.05 | DocScrutinizer | headdesks |
| 21:31.40 | DocScrutinizer | blames javispedro for making him read posts like http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1113633&postcount=79 |
| 21:32.08 | GeneralAntilles | lol |
| 21:32.12 | javispedro | you are entirely to blame |
| 21:32.21 | javispedro | I don't usually sigh after reading a high quality post ;P |
| 21:32.35 | DocScrutinizer | right |
| 21:33.35 | DocScrutinizer | is afraid of next sleep - nightmare of getting a job at first level helpdesk pending |
| 21:34.12 | javispedro | a helpdesk job? |
| 21:34.35 | javispedro | a large, red, flashing "ABORT MISSION" usually appears on my brain after the word helpdesk is heard |
| 21:34.40 | DocScrutinizer | I might have a nighmare of that |
| 21:36.20 | DocScrutinizer | the "is it safe" thread gave my subconscious enough of ideas for a decent nightmare next night. And I'm actually about to sign an employment where it's unclear what I will have to do, so... :-O |
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| 22:19.44 | DocScrutinizer | idly wonders what happpened to that guy who wanted to swap borked eMMC for a uSD some days ago. Did he succeed in editing all mmcblk[01] occurrences and movinf /home and swap (and MyDocs) over to uSD? |
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