| 00:00.00 | luojie-dune | once all techniques are forced to be shared - like communism, its sign of corruption |
| 00:00.04 | DocScrutinizer | jesuschrist: errr, you are aware that communism as they spell it in China is more of a wild west capitalism like in the early USA right now? |
| 00:00.18 | jesuschrist | im not talking about china |
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| 00:00.42 | luojie-dune | me |
| 00:00.46 | luojie-dune | a Chinese.~ |
| 00:00.57 | DocScrutinizer | nihau |
| 00:01.11 | psycho_oreos | s/nihau/nihao/ |
| 00:01.14 | luojie-dune | nihau /so |
| 00:01.15 | psycho_oreos | :) |
| 00:02.27 | jiero | ni men hao |
| 00:02.43 | jesuschrist | i would say that china now is more like the begininng of the industrial revolution in europe |
| 00:02.52 | jesuschrist | instead of just "capitalism" |
| 00:03.01 | psycho_oreos | gotta love being a person with dual citizenship, patriotic to both countries |
| 00:03.28 | DocScrutinizer | err nope, not really. Europe was "civilized", China market is just corrupt |
| 00:03.57 | jesuschrist | well define civilized and define corruption |
| 00:04.16 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, ok. It's actually hard to compare |
| 00:04.25 | psycho_oreos | I think for someone whom has never visited China would never understand easily :) |
| 00:04.55 | jesuschrist | its like saying you never played soccer so you cant judge a match |
| 00:05.07 | psycho_oreos | no |
| 00:05.13 | jiero | most chinese are sturggling for their lives |
| 00:05.37 | jesuschrist | actually chineses work conditions resemble much what europe experienced during the 19th cent |
| 00:06.07 | psycho_oreos | not quite |
| 00:06.10 | DocScrutinizer | but in China it's backed up by a totalitarian government |
| 00:06.13 | jesuschrist | how so ? |
| 00:06.27 | psycho_oreos | the fact that Chinese is being ripped off doesn't make it similar to Europe back in 19th century |
| 00:06.54 | jesuschrist | explain |
| 00:07.09 | psycho_oreos | google search for foxconn workers |
| 00:07.19 | jesuschrist | and ? |
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| 00:07.41 | jesuschrist | ever read dickens ? |
| 00:07.54 | psycho_oreos | you tell me how was that ever similar to Europe back in 19th century |
| 00:07.56 | psycho_oreos | no, never heard |
| 00:08.08 | jiero | I don't want to refer to history, its new age. |
| 00:08.22 | jesuschrist | first you must know how was europe back in the 19th cent |
| 00:08.38 | psycho_oreos | and wikipedia easily provides that |
| 00:09.27 | jesuschrist | so since you're reading the wiki page |
| 00:09.37 | jesuschrist | you still cant see similarities ? |
| 00:09.41 | jiero | the way value output and input have changed a lot over a century, imo. |
| 00:10.09 | jesuschrist | super growth, urbanization, poor standard of living |
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| 00:25.21 | UberNeo | Hi All .. I am trying to flash Meego on the internal flash EMMC of N900 .. but getting the error as "(UNKNOWN) [192.168.2.15] 500 (isakmp) : Connection refused" .. |
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| 06:39.47 | Macer | that was such a ghetto fix |
| 06:40.26 | Macer | i put super glue on the exposed ribbon cable lmao |
| 06:40.45 | Macer | this thing is so jacked up still |
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| 08:21.19 | psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer, ping |
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| 10:13.17 | Trewas | whee, meespot for n9 is not actually half bad compared to any of the n900's spotify clients... and actually it is much better than n9's default player which is afaik unable to even show the queue |
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| 10:35.18 | Macer | ugh |
| 10:35.23 | Macer | that was fking bs |
| 10:35.30 | Macer | there is no way someone can bid that fast on ebay in 2 secs |
| 10:35.43 | Macer | that stupid shit happens again i swear i'm cancelling my ebay acct |
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| 10:42.18 | nid0 | got sniped? |
| 10:43.05 | x29a | Macer: did you put in your personal maximum bid? |
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| 10:49.52 | Macer | x29a: yes and no |
| 10:49.56 | Macer | i would have gone higher if i had a chance |
| 10:50.04 | Macer | but they waited til it was at 1s |
| 10:50.10 | Macer | or should i say |
| 10:50.17 | Macer | the software they run waited until .5 secs |
| 10:50.33 | Macer | i am wondering if they try to get it during the delay for it to process the raise in bid |
| 10:51.12 | x29a | Macer: thats common practise, and thats how bidding works. if you had put in your absolute maximum, it could have worked or they were willing to bid more |
| 10:51.38 | Macer | i sometimes think the place selling the stuff just buys it back |
| 10:51.47 | Macer | because the bid is too low for the sale |
| 10:51.52 | x29a | with ebay sniping tools, many people get frustrated when they dont get the final bid, but then again, the other person put in more money, so thats only logical |
| 10:51.54 | Macer | and they didn't want to set a reserve |
| 10:52.11 | x29a | Macer: no doubt, i think that happens a lot |
| 10:52.31 | Macer | well they want it to look like "someone" got it at an awesome price |
| 10:52.33 | x29a | nothing you can do |
| 10:52.37 | Macer | but in reality it is them just buying it back |
| 10:52.48 | Macer | then they take the same item and throw it out there again |
| 10:53.05 | x29a | what part do you critizise? |
| 10:53.09 | Macer | i'm going to bump it up a little more ... but if this happens again i will just buy one from amazon :) |
| 10:53.33 | x29a | if amazon has if for a comparable prize, dont even consider ebay |
| 10:53.47 | Macer | they don't |
| 10:53.49 | Macer | lol |
| 10:53.54 | Macer | i'm trying to ebay one for around 200 |
| 10:54.00 | x29a | n900? |
| 10:54.02 | Macer | amazon only has NEW ones for 300 |
| 10:54.05 | Macer | at the cheapest |
| 10:54.09 | Macer | some are like 400+ |
| 10:54.11 | Macer | yes |
| 10:54.40 | nid0 | where are you? amazon uk has used ones from £150 |
| 10:54.48 | Macer | US |
| 10:55.44 | Macer | i don't think there are any new ones for less than 350 on amazon |
| 10:55.56 | x29a | and you are looking for a new one at ebay for $200? |
| 10:56.00 | Macer | and i think that is overpriced for an n900 :) but it is a niche phone... so i can see how it has its worth |
| 10:56.17 | Macer | x29a: yeah lol... it's possible :) |
| 10:56.34 | x29a | but you do get where we are coming from, right? |
| 10:56.35 | Macer | i have gotten stuff from ebay that i was shocked over |
| 10:56.39 | Macer | yes heh |
| 10:56.45 | x29a | good luck though |
| 10:57.00 | Macer | if i don't win this one i will simply wait til next week and buy a full priced one from amazon for 300something |
| 10:57.19 | Macer | i honestly don't think ebay works anymore |
| 10:57.32 | Macer | :) if it isn't some sniping bot it is the company "buying back" their item |
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| 11:05.10 | Macer | the really bad part is with my transformer shipped yesterday for RMA and my G2 on the brink of death... i'm close to having nothing :) |
| 11:05.21 | Macer | i should get an old G1 just to have a spare phoen lol |
| 11:06.41 | Macer | omg these people can not be real.. a new G2 is 199.. a new G1? 150? LOL! |
| 11:07.53 | Macer | ok.. i have to ask.. does nokia even truly sell an n9? |
| 11:10.49 | Trewas | certainly you can truly buy one :P |
| 11:11.31 | Macer | i only ask because amazon only has 1 USED for $800? |
| 11:11.44 | Macer | i don't see any major places that actually sell it |
| 11:11.52 | Macer | like tigerdirect.. or newegg don't even have them listed |
| 11:12.10 | Trewas | well apparently nokia does not want to sell them in US (and UK and germany and italy and spain and...) |
| 11:12.39 | Macer | uhm |
| 11:12.44 | Trewas | but here in the rest of the world they are available |
| 11:12.57 | Macer | asia? :) |
| 11:13.10 | Trewas | finland, and rest of the scandinavia at least |
| 11:13.21 | Macer | wtf? |
| 11:13.27 | Macer | wow that is rather stupid |
| 11:14.46 | Macer | on nokiausa.com they are showing an e7? |
| 11:14.50 | Macer | sigh |
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| 11:16.02 | nid0 | yer same problem in the uk, lots of places *did* have them for preorder but theyve been vanishing everywhere with nowhere actually selling them |
| 11:16.30 | nid0 | theres pretty much only 1 retailer in the uk still saying itll get them, and theyre gonna be european versions with a uk adaptor separately |
| 11:16.34 | Macer | has anybody actually seen one? :) |
| 11:16.49 | Macer | maybe they don't even really exist lol |
| 11:16.57 | nid0 | I know someone whos seen and used lots, if that counts |
| 11:16.58 | x29a | its a hoax |
| 11:17.09 | x29a | the n9 actually is driven by windows phone 7 |
| 11:17.15 | Macer | hahaha |
| 11:17.23 | Macer | with meego splash screens? :) |
| 11:17.25 | psycho_oreos | that's what you call W9, codenamed sea ray |
| 11:17.38 | psycho_oreos | and what fake terminal outputs? |
| 11:17.41 | nid0 | it was quite disheartening being told by a friend who works at nokia research in london that they basically have piles of n9's and n950's sitting round the offices |
| 11:17.47 | Trewas | I actually have seen several, in addition to the one I own :P |
| 11:17.48 | Macer | i wouldn't mind getting an e7 or n8 if they were like $99 |
| 11:17.52 | Macer | if it has gtalk i'm sold heh |
| 11:18.10 | Macer | gtalk and tethering :) |
| 11:18.19 | jacekowski | it can do tethering |
| 11:18.34 | Macer | no gtalk app? |
| 11:18.39 | Macer | i would think that would be built in |
| 11:18.41 | psycho_oreos | nid0, and your friend could have made a fortune selling genuine N950, alas its all Flop's bs that N950 will only be given to `chosen ones' |
| 11:19.01 | Macer | i don' tthink n950s exist either |
| 11:19.08 | Macer | they are like magic pixies :) |
| 11:19.11 | Trewas | at least it keeps buggering me about google talk availability, if that is gtalk... |
| 11:19.29 | Macer | Trewas: on an n8 or e7? |
| 11:19.34 | Trewas | n9 |
| 11:19.42 | Macer | oh |
| 11:19.44 | psycho_oreos | nothing exist, nokia was just a figment of your imagination, this whole channel is a virtual channel of some bleak reality, you're not really alive either, you're dead |
| 11:19.46 | Macer | you have one? :) |
| 11:19.56 | Trewas | yeah |
| 11:20.08 | Macer | psycho_oreos: it's like 6th sense :) |
| 11:20.17 | Macer | Trewas: ah... i was talking about an e7 or n8 |
| 11:20.23 | psycho_oreos | Macer, more like the matrix |
| 11:20.32 | psycho_oreos | when you take the blue pill |
| 11:20.40 | x29a | Macer: "i see dead phone projects"? |
| 11:20.56 | Macer | i'm shocked the e7 is so expensive |
| 11:21.02 | Macer | it's symbian isn't it? |
| 11:21.07 | psycho_oreos | yes |
| 11:21.43 | psycho_oreos | its supposed to be a `flagship' device, how is it any better than N900 is really a laughable comment by nokia's so-called `talented' marketers |
| 11:21.45 | Macer | it looks like a nice phone |
| 11:22.11 | Macer | but i can't see the new symbian being anything special |
| 11:22.20 | Macer | well... newer :) |
| 11:22.44 | psycho_oreos | its not meant to be special, symbian and meego will now all fuel money for the upcoming mango, nobody at nokia will care about symbian and meego after that |
| 11:22.58 | jacekowski | it's a very good phone |
| 11:23.00 | Trewas | at least e7 is not completely dead wrt. software updates and new apps, like n900 has been for the last year |
| 11:23.04 | jacekowski | and symbian is still good OS |
| 11:23.26 | Macer | jacekowski: i didn't say it wasn't ;) i was just curious |
| 11:23.41 | Macer | it is being sold for ~$400 |
| 11:23.54 | Macer | all the good nokia phones are too expensive nowadays |
| 11:23.58 | psycho_oreos | n900 was meant to be for a niche market and it was built accidentally by desperate brainless PR execs who couldn't stand nokia was bleeding red all over the annual incomes |
| 11:24.05 | Macer | and all the good ones are the discontinued ones :) or soon to be |
| 11:24.09 | jacekowski | Macer: well, it's similiar to other phones |
| 11:24.16 | jacekowski | Macer: iphone costs just as much |
| 11:24.28 | Macer | but iphone has high demand |
| 11:24.35 | Trewas | nokia is selling e7 and n8 for about 300e which is ridiculously cheap for their flagship phones |
| 11:24.46 | Macer | as well as a very high supply |
| 11:25.05 | psycho_oreos | symbian's OS is just as good as current harmattan's stance for DRM shit all over as well as more application restrictions |
| 11:25.08 | Macer | hundai is making a $48,000 luxury car |
| 11:25.14 | Macer | hyundai |
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| 11:25.31 | Macer | get my point? ;) |
| 11:25.57 | Macer | who wants a hyundai flagship car? |
| 11:25.59 | psycho_oreos | hyundai mostly manufactures spineless cars |
| 11:26.30 | Macer | when you can get a better known car at the same price? |
| 11:26.52 | Macer | nokia needs to realize they have gotten bitchslapped for the past 5 or so years and regroup |
| 11:26.55 | Trewas | sgs2 is over 500e and iphones over 600e |
| 11:27.01 | psycho_oreos | the problem is at nokia, they're trying to recoup their losses |
| 11:27.12 | Macer | is an sgs2 that expensive? |
| 11:27.39 | x29a | i want a real alternative to my G1 |
| 11:27.40 | psycho_oreos | all those money wasted on so called N9 and N950 but now all to focus on mango and forget about its past ties with open sourced community |
| 11:28.03 | Macer | so do i get an e7 with no future for 450 |
| 11:28.09 | Macer | or an sgs2 for $100 more ? :) |
| 11:28.12 | Macer | heh |
| 11:28.29 | Macer | nokia should take e7s and sell them for $150 to get back in the game |
| 11:28.41 | psycho_oreos | obviously sgs2 but I'm not a fan on keyboard-less handheld devices let alone smartphone |
| 11:28.59 | Macer | yeah. i don't like non-qwerty phones either |
| 11:29.06 | Macer | which is why i got a g2/vision |
| 11:29.21 | Macer | and wow... htc makes the cheapest made phones ever |
| 11:29.34 | psycho_oreos | and e7 is just a poor comparison if there was an equivalent spec N900 (hardware-wise, and updated) compared against sgs2 I'd get N900 anyday |
| 11:29.36 | Macer | my g1 was bad enough.. but at least it survived.. this g2 is HORRIBLE |
| 11:29.36 | Trewas | well the difference between e7 and sgs2 is 330 vs. 520 |
| 11:29.45 | Macer | 330? |
| 11:29.47 | psycho_oreos | I thought huawei makes even more cheaper phone :þ |
| 11:30.07 | Macer | new? |
| 11:30.08 | Macer | :) |
| 11:30.19 | Macer | new they are 390+ on amazon |
| 11:30.54 | Macer | i wouldn't mind getting one but i wouldn't buy ti for that much |
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| 11:31.13 | Macer | when you can just throw in a little bit more and get a real phone from a company that isn't on the brink of going bankrupt :) |
| 11:31.38 | Macer | how nokia is surviving is beyond me.. ms must be pumping them full of money |
| 11:31.46 | psycho_oreos | break your N900 and give it into nokia care, they'll throw you either a N8 or E7. If they throw you a N8, whinge and bitch like a little girl and they'll give you E7. Be happy.. the end |
| 11:31.54 | Trewas | Macer: euros (though the price includes 23% tax) |
| 11:32.20 | Macer | LOL |
| 11:32.26 | Macer | psycho_oreos: my n900 was out of warranty :( |
| 11:32.31 | Macer | when the usb port fell off |
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| 11:32.39 | Macer | i wish i could have.. i'd have taken the e7 :) |
| 11:32.46 | psycho_oreos | Macer, shame, should have bought extra nokia warranty when you had the chance |
| 11:32.48 | Macer | not an n8 tho :/ i hate qwertyless ones |
| 11:33.01 | Trewas | n900 can't be out of warranty yet, they started selling it under two years ago :P |
| 11:33.19 | psycho_oreos | its nokia, what do you expect? |
| 11:33.21 | Macer | psycho_oreos: hey.. other than the usb port falling off.. which was totally unexpected... |
| 11:33.29 | Macer | it was in great shape :) |
| 11:34.43 | psycho_oreos | Macer, yup unexpected but now you can't get your own merry little E7 |
| 11:35.05 | Macer | not really. i tried to repair it so i am sure i voided the warranty |
| 11:35.08 | Macer | :) |
| 11:35.13 | Macer | i wanted my n900! |
| 11:35.25 | psycho_oreos | you didn't mention that before :þ |
| 11:35.31 | Macer | sure i did |
| 11:35.38 | Macer | a few hundred times ;) |
| 11:35.52 | psycho_oreos | no, you tried to repair wasn't mentioned in like over the period of 10 minutes |
| 11:36.03 | Macer | oh... you mean right now |
| 11:36.21 | psycho_oreos | no |
| 11:36.27 | psycho_oreos | 10 minutes != right now |
| 11:36.34 | Macer | the warranty must have been for only 1 year anyways... when i contacted them they told me that i would have to pay for the repair |
| 11:36.51 | psycho_oreos | in fact I should have mentioned 2 minutes, because 10 minutes was far too long anyways |
| 11:37.01 | Macer | doesn't matter |
| 11:37.08 | Macer | :) |
| 11:37.21 | Macer | i wouldn't mind an e7 tho. it looks like a nice phone |
| 11:37.35 | Macer | nokia should drop the price of them down to 200 and try to compete again |
| 11:37.36 | psycho_oreos | then again you pay for repair, you might pay for E7 brand new without anything else except for device. Think of it as a cheaper incentive to sell your N900 and trade it in for E7 |
| 11:37.54 | Macer | fair enough |
| 11:38.08 | Macer | but i really do want my n900 :/ i miss it |
| 11:38.26 | Macer | especially after using this crappy g2 for a few months |
| 11:38.26 | psycho_oreos | it sounds like you love E7 way more than your N900 |
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| 11:38.40 | WOLDRICH | what's E7? |
| 11:38.53 | psycho_oreos | some shitian powered nokia smartphone |
| 11:39.01 | Macer | symbian nokia phone |
| 11:39.12 | WOLDRICH | :( I thought it might have been the successor of the n900 |
| 11:39.12 | Macer | psycho_oreos: symbian is still good |
| 11:39.14 | psycho_oreos | with qwerty keyboard, and dubbed as `flagship' |
| 11:39.14 | Macer | :) |
| 11:39.29 | Macer | maybe someone here can get maemo on it |
| 11:39.31 | Macer | OR MEEGO!! |
| 11:39.36 | Macer | hides and busts out laughing |
| 11:39.51 | psycho_oreos | WOLDRICH, if that were the case then Flop would be an oxymoron |
| 11:40.01 | WOLDRICH | heh, "With touch screen and QWERTY", like having QWERTY would be a good thing |
| 11:40.09 | psycho_oreos | Macer, so get rid of your N900 and get E7, win-win for you |
| 11:40.11 | Macer | qwerty is a good thing :-P |
| 11:40.33 | Macer | i couldn't see the n900 not having a qwerty |
| 11:40.34 | psycho_oreos | and E7 wouldn't even be able to run maemo/meego with its puny hardware specs |
| 11:40.56 | WOLDRICH | Macer, I have dvorak! |
| 11:40.57 | psycho_oreos | some guy awhile back asked the same set of retarded questions of trying to flash his E7 with maemo images |
| 11:41.11 | Macer | then remap it :-P |
| 11:41.39 | Macer | puny specs? |
| 11:41.52 | Macer | it is an n900 |
| 11:42.05 | psycho_oreos | I'm talking about E7 with maemo OS |
| 11:42.14 | Macer | as am i |
| 11:42.24 | Macer | the e7 is an n900 running symbian :-P |
| 11:42.27 | psycho_oreos | E7 has what... 333MHz processor? N900 has 600, |
| 11:42.31 | psycho_oreos | no |
| 11:42.33 | Macer | uhm |
| 11:42.35 | Trewas | well e7/n8 is not that much behind n900, and in fact ahead of n9 in some respect (what video it can hw decoed) |
| 11:42.41 | Macer | the hardware is about the same |
| 11:43.00 | psycho_oreos | that's like saying a ford car is the same as a porsche |
| 11:43.11 | Macer | i would say other than the display being a llittle lower res then e7 is the same hardware as an n900 |
| 11:43.14 | psycho_oreos | yeah about the same.. no its quite far off |
| 11:43.19 | Macer | with a slightly faster cpu |
| 11:43.27 | psycho_oreos | its more than just a faster CPU |
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| 11:43.34 | psycho_oreos | visited gsmarena lately? |
| 11:43.45 | Macer | the hardware specs are the same |
| 11:43.50 | psycho_oreos | fail |
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| 11:44.09 | Macer | 680Mhz/256MB Arm 11 |
| 11:44.12 | psycho_oreos | if the hardware specs are the same why couldn't someone run other OS on it? |
| 11:44.25 | psycho_oreos | ARM 11 != ARM OMAP |
| 11:44.38 | Macer | why does osx need hacking to run on anything other than apple hardware? |
| 11:45.52 | psycho_oreos | uhm ok I failed in clock rate on E7 but the specs still isn't the same |
| 11:46.10 | psycho_oreos | because you say hardware is the same when it isn't? |
| 11:48.57 | Macer | not sure which type of arm it is using |
| 11:49.09 | Macer | the n900 omap is shit nowadays anyways tho |
| 11:50.33 | Macer | all most places say are arm 11 680MHz |
| 11:51.03 | Macer | http://www.fonearena.com/blog/22774/nokia-e7-vs-nokia-n8-full-specs-comparison.html |
| 11:51.10 | Macer | that is a good compare between the e7 and n8 |
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| 11:51.37 | psycho_oreos | and how is OMAP shit? |
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| 12:00.27 | ShadowJK | The E7 cpu is probably slower than N900 cpu |
| 12:02.34 | ShadowJK | It's like the older N810/N800's ARM core, except clocked higher |
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| 12:10.51 | DocScrutinizer | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ARM_microprocessor_cores |
| 12:10.59 | DocScrutinizer | enjoy! |
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| 12:12.01 | ShadowJK | finds his silly benchmarks http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=542944&postcount=19 |
| 12:12.47 | ShadowJK | "Sheevaplug has DOUBLE the clockspeed of N900, yet it's only 1.3 times as fast as N900." :) |
| 12:13.55 | ShadowJK | I had forgotten how close the atom and omap3 are at a work-per-clock basis in the OGR benchmark |
| 12:17.29 | DocScrutinizer | also nice: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_architecture |
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| 12:19.10 | DocScrutinizer | I always get headache trying to joggle with ARMv7 ARM8 (cortex-)A8 and whatnot else |
| 12:20.27 | psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer, need to ask you out of curiousity, its a little offtopic but where do you normally source RAM chip? not the RAM sticks but the actual RAM chip that sits on the RAM sticks? |
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| 12:21.06 | DocScrutinizer | I normally don't - EE != sourcing |
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| 12:22.06 | DocScrutinizer | when I need chips, digikey and mouser are frequently first addr |
| 12:22.28 | psycho_oreos | damn :/ thought you happen to know of a few sellers that would, I do recall you had information on a specific N900 component and thought you might know of a few good places that sells IC and what not |
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| 12:22.46 | psycho_oreos | hmm I'll hit those up and see how far I go, thanks |
| 12:23.49 | DocScrutinizer | farnell |
| 12:24.53 | DocScrutinizer | http://www.hkinventory.com |
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| 12:26.35 | DocScrutinizer | even http://www.sparkfun.com sometimes |
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| 12:59.14 | psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer, of all the links you posted I found hkinventory site has the component I want. I hate to ask you this but are you a member? |
| 12:59.35 | DocScrutinizer | nope |
| 12:59.49 | psycho_oreos | *nods* thanks |
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| 15:19.39 | Macer | flagship huh? :) |
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| 19:16.29 | kerio | http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/22/nokia-n9-review/ ;_; |
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| 19:21.39 | doc|home | kerio: good that they mention that it's already a dead platform :/ |
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| 19:23.03 | doc|home | it is a nice looking phone... |
| 19:32.11 | kerio | it's incredibly cute :( |
| 19:33.16 | ShadowJK | what does it say |
| 19:33.22 | WOLDRICH | if only it had a keyboard I'd bought it :( |
| 19:33.50 | doc|home | WOLDRICH: that and you weren't buying a platform which is one foot in the grave |
| 19:33.57 | WOLDRICH | dear nokia wtf are you doing. nobody wants your stupid windows phones |
| 19:34.07 | WOLDRICH | doc|home, I would have |
| 19:34.14 | WOLDRICH | that doesn't really matter for me |
| 19:34.21 | doc|home | WOLDRICH: the n900 was enough risk for me |
| 19:34.32 | WOLDRICH | I want the hardware, I can do what I want with it :) |
| 19:34.48 | doc|home | I've bought one dead-platform phone before and it sits on my desk unused because the software was utterly shit (openmoko) |
| 19:35.04 | WOLDRICH | can you not use what you want on it? |
| 19:35.15 | smhar | what is the deal with application is http://my-maemo.com ? why are they not included in extra and testing? |
| 19:35.15 | doc|home | it wasn't even functional as a phone |
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| 19:35.26 | WOLDRICH | neither is my n900 :D |
| 19:35.31 | doc|home | o.O mine is |
| 19:35.33 | WOLDRICH | I run arch on it |
| 19:35.35 | doc|home | haha |
| 19:36.01 | WOLDRICH | I'm going to buy another one. Seeing as there doesn't seem to come anything better soon |
| 19:36.07 | doc|home | n900? |
| 19:36.11 | WOLDRICH | yeah |
| 19:36.18 | doc|home | I'm liking the galaxy nexus |
| 19:36.32 | WOLDRICH | I don't think I'd appreciate android |
| 19:36.38 | doc|home | but not seeing enough of an advantage to actually spend money replacing my n900 just yet |
| 19:37.18 | WOLDRICH | there's a bunch of bad design flaws with the n900, but the most irritating thing is dpkg, which I have to use if I want it to function as a phone |
| 19:37.18 | doc|home | WOLDRICH: for me it's 60% hardware 30% software, 10% oh look-people actually create useful apps for it |
| 19:37.35 | WOLDRICH | meh. 'apps' |
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| 19:37.53 | WOLDRICH | I use what I use on my other computers on it, pretty much :( |
| 19:37.53 | doc|home | you say that, but I still don't have an mpd client on my n900 which I have working on my n800... |
| 19:38.08 | WOLDRICH | there's a bunch of mpd clients |
| 19:38.19 | doc|home | in some other repos? |
| 19:38.21 | doc|home | not in the main one... |
| 19:38.21 | WOLDRICH | cutempc is one |
| 19:38.40 | WOLDRICH | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=36068 |
| 19:38.52 | doc|home | ah, extra-devel repo |
| 19:39.06 | doc|home | if I install it will shit break all over the place? Used to happen on my n800 |
| 19:39.19 | WOLDRICH | I ported pimpd2 to it. Because I want the client to play the audio as well |
| 19:39.29 | WOLDRICH | it didn't for me |
| 19:39.49 | WOLDRICH | but I didn't really like it. But that doesn't say much |
| 19:39.53 | doc|home | ok, will have to give it a go |
| 19:40.46 | Sicelo | if u are careful with devel, u won't suffer harm |
| 19:41.07 | WOLDRICH | yeah. I've only made it unbootable 10-15 times or so, so no worries |
| 19:41.29 | WOLDRICH | (that might have been me trying to install everything and modify everything) |
| 19:41.34 | doc|home | hehe |
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| 19:51.53 | smhar | is there a plan to port maemo to N9? |
| 19:52.55 | doc|home | to port a dead platform onto a phone to replace a dead platform? :) |
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| 19:54.12 | smhar | maemo and N900 maybe dead, but I am not planning to stop using them any time soon. |
| 19:54.38 | doc|home | me neither, but it's a time vs worth thing :/ |
| 19:55.33 | smhar | frankly speaking, I still do not see an alternative. |
| 20:02.06 | HRH_H_Crab | smhar: i agree. |
| 20:02.18 | HRH_H_Crab | i plan to buy another n900 as soon as i can. |
| 20:02.24 | HRH_H_Crab | there is no alternative. |
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| 20:17.15 | smhar | HRH_H_Crab, me too, just in case the hardware on the first one fails |
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| 20:29.26 | smhar | there are many apps still in dev and testing and need to go up to extra, why not make a campaign. better late than never |
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| 20:44.59 | psycho_oreos | there was a tmo thread about it, but really not many programs still seem suitable to the end users who are just purely lazy to read the accompanying documentation at times |
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| 20:45.45 | psycho_oreos | smhar, also in regards to what you said earlier on any plans to port maemo to N9, the UI porting is in the works you might want to have a look at cordia. |
| 20:47.54 | doc|home | smhar: HRH_H_Crab the thing about buying hardware in case it fails is it might not fail for years, then the phone tech is so far behind :/ |
| 20:49.48 | HRH_H_Crab | doc|home: thats true |
| 20:50.00 | HRH_H_Crab | but in some ways the n900 is already "far behind" |
| 20:50.20 | HRH_H_Crab | the question is will anyone ever make another phone which is also a decent palmtop linux computer? |
| 20:50.25 | HRH_H_Crab | i cant see it happening... |
| 20:50.26 | doc|home | well, in general hardware yes, but not so much in the actual radio which is what I meant |
| 20:51.40 | doc|home | HRH_H_Crab: I bought the freerunner thinking the same thing, but that maxed out at 3g |
| 20:52.12 | HRH_H_Crab | well, i don't think i really need more than 3g |
| 20:52.28 | HRH_H_Crab | or to put that another way, |
| 20:52.43 | HRH_H_Crab | id rather have a decent palmtop linux computer in my pocket which is limited at 3g |
| 20:53.03 | HRH_H_Crab | than some tied down app store thing which can do 4g. |
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| 20:54.03 | doc|home | agreed, which is why when I'm done android's going to be where I go :/ |
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| 20:54.13 | HRH_H_Crab | problem with android, |
| 20:54.16 | doc|home | the only thing missing is a top tier hardware keyboard device |
| 20:54.38 | HRH_H_Crab | on a lot of phones the hardware vendor has fucked with it a lot. |
| 20:54.50 | doc|home | that's less and less the case now |
| 20:54.56 | HRH_H_Crab | i used an android phone /before/ i got the n900. |
| 20:55.02 | HRH_H_Crab | admittedly it was a sony ericsson |
| 20:55.06 | doc|home | well then yeah |
| 20:55.16 | HRH_H_Crab | but i got so pissed off with it i sent it back in the cooling off period. |
| 20:55.20 | doc|home | and provided you can root it it's supposedly not even all that necessary to use their version |
| 20:55.34 | HRH_H_Crab | that experience has made me VERY wary of android. |
| 20:55.44 | doc|home | things change |
| 20:56.34 | HRH_H_Crab | well i guess thats what i'll be hoping when i move from my current n900 to the hypothetical new one i plan to buy. |
| 20:56.56 | HRH_H_Crab | because like you say, |
| 20:57.16 | HRH_H_Crab | even if google get their shit together and all my concerns about the os are removed, |
| 20:57.22 | HRH_H_Crab | there still isnt any decent hardware! |
| 20:57.23 | HRH_H_Crab | :P |
| 20:57.33 | HRH_H_Crab | (keyboard) |
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| 20:59.05 | psycho_oreos | well sgs2 is pretty decent if lets say it came with a qwerty keyboard and you can run maemo/meego on it :þ |
| 20:59.42 | psycho_oreos | and you can bitch and whine all you like at the alternatives but the truth is for the time being linux powered handheld devices remains bleak |
| 21:01.12 | HRH_H_Crab | heh |
| 21:01.42 | HRH_H_Crab | i actually have a real hankering for a phone with a dab receiver. |
| 21:01.54 | HRH_H_Crab | i believe the n9 has some funky headphones that can do that. |
| 21:02.08 | HRH_H_Crab | maybe ill just get an n9 and use an ssh client. |
| 21:02.09 | HRH_H_Crab | :P |
| 21:03.42 | psycho_oreos | openmoko is now community supported (manufacturer-less backing) like maemo and very soon meego. nokia and intel dropped support for meego community. hp dropped webos as it could not see a future. There's now a running rumour of nokia mulling over maltemi. google is still dogging with android as well as IP lawsuits from apple but still has a linux kernel in each of the android powered devices. samsung couldn't see much fun with pure linux or pure bsd so th |
| 21:03.43 | psycho_oreos | ey created bada ages ago which is fairly niche just like maemo. Any other alternatives? |
| 21:04.24 | wmarone | Tizen, oddly |
| 21:04.40 | psycho_oreos | ahh yes Tizen the much updated rumour |
| 21:04.58 | HRH_H_Crab | what is bada? |
| 21:05.06 | wmarone | rasterman lends it some credibility :) |
| 21:05.06 | HRH_H_Crab | is it linux with some stuff on top? |
| 21:05.14 | psycho_oreos | oh I also forgot there was also moblin for instance |
| 21:05.23 | psycho_oreos | but moblin is just as niche really |
| 21:06.32 | psycho_oreos | there's a wikipage for bada |
| 21:08.03 | smhar | doc|home, but the N900 tech is already behind anyway :-) |
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| 21:08.46 | psycho_oreos | ARM platform seems to be a little overrated these days, MIPS at one stage was about to jump onto the bandwagon of smartphone market and really if MIPS for example did jump on, maybe the market could be a little more interesting |
| 21:09.28 | wmarone | mips is there, just on the baseband side of things |
| 21:10.59 | psycho_oreos | I'm already quite surprised the router these days probably packs enough punch to almost be capable of taking on against ARM. The 2 Netgear WNDR3700v2 I bought the other day features Atheros MIPS processor at 600+MHz which needless to say may be just as powerful if not more than my N900 |
| 21:11.24 | wmarone | the catch being that it doesn't have the power management that ARM does |
| 21:12.04 | wmarone | also, good choice in router |
| 21:12.17 | wmarone | OpenWRT I presume? |
| 21:12.47 | psycho_oreos | I haven't read that much further in detail about MIPS but I'm sure if they stepped in and improved their flaws (such as what you highlighted in power management) then yes a competition against the overrated ARM would be gladly welcomed imo |
| 21:12.55 | psycho_oreos | or DD-WRT/Tomato |
| 21:13.03 | HRH_H_Crab | dd-wrt... |
| 21:13.06 | HRH_H_Crab | *shudder* |
| 21:13.33 | psycho_oreos | hey, its still linux powered. Or would you like a dose of windows powered router? ;) |
| 21:14.04 | wmarone | heh, I used dd-wrt on my buffalo until the radio died |
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| 21:14.20 | wmarone | openwrt is, imo, much nicer |
| 21:14.47 | psycho_oreos | or even one of those crappy OS that sits on top of TrendChip now powering a few routers which doesn't have any linux backing? |
| 21:15.47 | psycho_oreos | the two WNDR3700v2 I bought the other day has old OpenWRT installed, so if I do a bit of hardware modding and what not I'll be happy to walk away with a nice powerful MIPS router |
| 21:16.09 | wmarone | hardware modding? |
| 21:16.15 | psycho_oreos | and that reminds me to get rid of this stupid setup on huawei D100 |
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| 21:16.33 | psycho_oreos | yeah hardware modding, with WNDR3700 you can upgrade the RAM and add external antennas |
| 21:16.45 | wmarone | interesting |
| 21:17.00 | psycho_oreos | http://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/netgear/wndr3700 |
| 21:17.17 | psycho_oreos | external antenna modding isn't particularly interesting neither is it new but then again |
| 21:18.07 | psycho_oreos | and wndr3800 has the cool bits that wndr3700 owners wished to have minus the potential backing of openwrt just now |
| 21:18.13 | wmarone | yup |
| 21:18.17 | wmarone | saw it the other day |
| 21:18.23 | wmarone | 128MB of flash, 128MB of ram |
| 21:18.58 | psycho_oreos | apparently it still has 16MB of flash, though RAM is upgraded to yeah 128MB, double the size on wndr3700v2 and quadruple the size on wndr3700 |
| 21:18.59 | wmarone | the ram upgrade is tempting |
| 21:19.38 | wmarone | the 3700 and 3700v2 have the same amount of RAM |
| 21:19.43 | wmarone | the v2 has 2x the flash though |
| 21:20.07 | wmarone | has his unit booting from a USB hard drive instead |
| 21:20.09 | HRH_H_Crab | i need to buy a new router / fwall soon. |
| 21:20.12 | psycho_oreos | to find the right RAM chip is really hard, yesterday (in my timezone) I asked DocScrutinizer for some electronics suppliers and I found one |
| 21:20.17 | HRH_H_Crab | gonna use an alix based system i think |
| 21:20.19 | HRH_H_Crab | i dont need wifi. |
| 21:20.29 | HRH_H_Crab | prob. put debian on it. |
| 21:21.14 | psycho_oreos | my bad, wmarone yes, both WNDR3700v1 and WNDR3700v2 has the same amount of RAM, 64MB which is half of that compared to WNDR3800 |
| 21:21.28 | wmarone | yup |
| 21:21.46 | wmarone | baffled me when I saw it on the package |
| 21:22.01 | wmarone | never thought I'd see a router vendor list the cpu, ram, and flash specs of the device |
| 21:23.35 | psycho_oreos | I never seen the v1 package but when I was at the shop scrutinising over the v2 (because the openwrt wiki has been updated to include v3 almost a month ago before I last visited) just to make sure that I hand over my cold hard cash for atheros based not a broadcrap based |
| 21:24.27 | psycho_oreos | that also reminds me that I should take a photograph of the v2 box, add detail to my blog and maybe update openwrt wiki, at least its noted the v3 variant does not have 16MB flash |
| 21:25.16 | psycho_oreos | HRH_H_Crab, sheevaplug ftw ;) |
| 21:25.29 | HRH_H_Crab | i want 3 nics. :| |
| 21:25.39 | HRH_H_Crab | and ive heard that all those plug things have really bad heating issues. |
| 21:25.46 | psycho_oreos | why 3? going to turn a computer into a router? |
| 21:25.58 | HRH_H_Crab | wan / lan / dmz |
| 21:26.06 | HRH_H_Crab | im using an old mac atm. |
| 21:26.11 | HRH_H_Crab | going to replace it with an alix. |
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| 21:26.18 | HRH_H_Crab | will be a lot smaller. |
| 21:26.21 | HRH_H_Crab | quieter |
| 21:26.24 | psycho_oreos | apparently that happens with the guru plug, well the power version of guru plug whatever its called.. then again it isn't hard to cut venting holes either :D |
| 21:26.29 | HRH_H_Crab | and use less juice. |
| 21:27.13 | psycho_oreos | heh I've turned one of my desktop into a router before, running ipcop it was a beast of a machine but too bad ipcop's addon support was really fragile |
| 21:28.57 | psycho_oreos | speaking of overheating issue or issues with the embedded device, I'd steer clear of huawei D100, I have one and it is problematic at times.. so much so that it makes me want to hack it and install openwrt on it, add cooling fins and more cooling vents |
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| 21:58.09 | hakkattakk | Hi! Is there anyway to catagorize the volume on n900? Like 50% with headphones in SomePlayer and 20% with headphones if anyone call? I have changed the EQ so I have to raise the volume, and if anyone call me I think it may hurt my ears. |
| 21:59.24 | hakkattakk | or if I get a new email/low battery etc. Like system volume |
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| 22:12.01 | pistillo | hello |
| 22:12.11 | hakkattakk | hi pistillo |
| 22:12.21 | pistillo | hi |
| 22:12.35 | pistillo | can you help me about android TV box? |
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| 22:12.49 | psycho_oreos | -> #android <- |
| 22:13.03 | pistillo | ? |
| 22:13.11 | hakkattakk | found it! |
| 22:13.34 | psycho_oreos | pistillo, there's an android channel, you might want to try their first |
| 22:13.36 | pistillo | is it a channel in this chat? |
| 22:13.58 | psycho_oreos | it is a channel yes |
| 22:14.11 | psycho_oreos | s/their/there/ |
| 22:14.32 | pistillo | ok thanks a lot |
| 22:14.34 | pistillo | bye |
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| 23:24.10 | DocScrutinizer | hakkattakk: those *are* separate volume settings already, for all I know |
| 23:24.56 | DocScrutinizer | in-call volume is independent from mp3-player vol setting, and system tones have a dedicated setting in settings |
| 23:25.27 | DocScrutinizer | if I'm not completely wrong right now |
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| 23:25.39 | zogg_ | ~ZX2C4 |
| 23:25.47 | zogg_ | ~Zogg |
| 23:25.48 | infobot | from memory, zogg is not awesome at all |
| 23:25.53 | zogg_ | ~ZX2C4 |
| 23:25.57 | zogg_ | ~seen ZX2C4 |
| 23:26.02 | infobot | zx2c4 <~zx2c4@ool-182d9714.dyn.optonline.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #harmattan, 12d 6h 50m 24s ago, saying: 'okay so i guess you don't know if a module exists. thanks for your help anyway'. |
| 23:26.20 | zogg_ | =\ |
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| 23:29.34 | hakkattakk | DocScrutinizer: yeah, I found it! Thanks! |
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| 23:31.29 | hakkattakk | god I love my n900 :D |
| 23:32.32 | jabis | I'd love an n950 so I could really test shit out x) |
| 23:33.12 | jabis | having your work phone bricked isn't actually profitable x) |
| 23:33.47 | DocScrutinizer | meh, I'll leave now for a beer next pub, and I'm *not* going to take the N950 with me - N900 >> * |
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| 23:35.05 | ZogG-laptop | wmarone__: are you getting hornier and hornier? |
| 23:35.09 | jabis | DocScrutinizer: have some nice beers on behalf of me <3 |
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| 23:36.24 | wmarone__ | looks oddly at ZogG-laptop |
| 23:37.28 | jabis | hornier sounds like a new french gunship x) |
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| 23:45.45 | DocScrutinizer | Hornier&Hornier, the famous french/belgian manufacturers of military aircraft |
| 23:46.00 | DocScrutinizer | (brothers) |
| 23:46.27 | DocScrutinizer | not related to Dornier |
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| 23:50.54 | ZogG | wmarone__ don't lie, what is all ___ this about? are you happy to see DocScrutinizer |
| 23:51.48 | ZogG | =) |
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| 23:58.43 | libben | http://lolpics.se/34744-theists so good |