| 00:07.10 | SpeedEvil | There are no good solutions that will work reliably |
| 00:07.23 | SpeedEvil | Other than to replace the flash. |
| 00:07.32 | SpeedEvil | Or the mainboard. |
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| 00:22.26 | UberNeo | any way to repartion the flash |
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| 00:31.00 | WhatsInAName | Hey. |
| 00:31.33 | WhatsInAName | Could anyone help me with where I can go to learn how to make my own applications for my n900? |
| 00:31.57 | WhatsInAName | I have zero experience in programming, and I was wondering where I could turn to to start. |
| 00:32.26 | SpeedEvil | I'm unsure where to recommend - perhaps python? Any other opinions? |
| 00:34.13 | WhatsInAName | I'll check it out. |
| 00:34.13 | UberNeo | SpeedEvil: any opiniion for my broken mmcblk0p2 |
| 00:34.19 | WhatsInAName | Thanks. :) |
| 00:35.20 | SpeedEvil | UberNeo: Unfortunately, no - you may try badblocks over it - in an attempt to get it to remap some of the bad sectors. |
| 00:35.27 | UberNeo | have already ran .. badblocks -w /dev/mmcblk0p2 many times |
| 00:35.38 | SpeedEvil | UberNeo: In principle, you can get it to use the SD, not the MMC - but... |
| 00:36.36 | UberNeo | can i repartition the flash memory .. just taken only the good part |
| 00:36.51 | UberNeo | and ignoring the bad sector |
| 00:37.02 | SpeedEvil | In principle, yes. |
| 00:37.14 | SpeedEvil | But there may not be defined bad blocks. |
| 00:37.31 | UberNeo | is it a hardware prob in the flsh |
| 00:37.35 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 00:37.47 | UberNeo | :( |
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| 00:38.52 | UberNeo | can Maemo be run out from the micro SD card |
| 00:39.28 | SpeedEvil | In principle, yes, but nobodies done it as far as I'm aware. |
| 00:39.52 | SpeedEvil | You'd need to work out what mounts /opt and /home and ... and fix it to mount from the SD |
| 00:40.01 | UberNeo | then .. what should I do now .. means .. can i use my N900 again |
| 00:40.09 | SpeedEvil | :( |
| 00:40.29 | SpeedEvil | No good suggestions unfortunately. |
| 00:40.42 | SpeedEvil | Meego will run from the SD |
| 00:40.52 | UberNeo | but thats damm slow |
| 00:40.58 | UberNeo | I have already tried |
| 00:41.00 | ShadowJK | I accidentally once made my N900 run from only nand |
| 00:41.16 | SpeedEvil | PR1.0 will do that I think |
| 00:42.14 | ShadowJK | like, it created /home on nand and all |
| 00:42.34 | ShadowJK | was probably before 1.2, yeah :/ |
| 00:43.07 | UberNeo | does it means that most of the part in 32 GB flash is gone .. |
| 00:43.35 | UberNeo | or just /dev/mmcblk0p2 on /home type ext3 -- 2GB |
| 00:43.53 | SpeedEvil | It depends on the exact design of the flash. |
| 00:44.10 | SpeedEvil | Some failures can be over small bits, others are more general. |
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| 00:44.32 | UberNeo | can I just mount /home from sd card |
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| 01:09.57 | DocScrutinizer | a good SMT experienced repair job may replace the eMMC chip |
| 01:10.24 | DocScrutinizer | s/job/shop/ |
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| 01:12.59 | DocScrutinizer | eMMC is especially "convenient" to replace as it has a comparatively really low number of relevant balls/pins |
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| 01:14.44 | DocScrutinizer | you might even be able to build a small custom flexible PCB and solder that to new eMMC and mobo joint by joint |
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| 01:16.54 | DocScrutinizer | it's like just 11 "wires" needed to contact eMMC |
| 01:17.36 | DocScrutinizer | the remaining 185.3 are just NC mech support |
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| 01:43.21 | ultra420 | anybody online now? |
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| 01:52.47 | ultra420 | my N900 get errors,dmesg shows lots of : "end_request: I/O error, dev mmcblk0, sector 59312105"..and it will crash, boot loops without boot success ,i have flashed at least 30 times i thought...any help plz? |
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| 05:10.07 | Macer | hm |
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| 05:10.21 | Macer | trying to bid on a n900 |
| 05:10.32 | Macer | im sure it will never work :) |
| 05:10.47 | Macer | hut would be awesome if i won |
| 05:10.50 | Macer | but |
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| 05:41.44 | ruskie | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/10/21/thinfilm/ |
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| 06:32.18 | Kowalczyk | hi.. Anyone using the twitter plugin for n900? the one that integrates with conversations and stuff? Im having trouble with it. it logs on,logs off,logs on, logs off. and it says network error.. any idea? |
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| 06:57.07 | Psi | anyone know why PGZ-latitude-widget is reporting my location to google latitude as 5000km out when im inside |
| 06:57.11 | Psi | its got something to do with gps reception |
| 06:57.43 | Psi | also, the location is curiously only 5000km wrong in one direction! |
| 06:57.51 | Psi | more or less |
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| 06:58.29 | psycho_oreos | using assisted GPS or just internal GPS? |
| 06:58.40 | Psi | i dunno which it uses |
| 06:58.46 | Psi | is there a global option for it? |
| 06:59.41 | psycho_oreos | its under settings |
| 07:00.01 | Psi | gps device is "internal gps" |
| 07:00.03 | psycho_oreos | normally if its assisted GPS your device will connect to either WLAN or GPRS |
| 07:00.30 | Psi | network positioning is enabled and set to supl.nokia.com |
| 07:01.16 | Psi | i dont see any option for "assisted gps" |
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| 07:01.56 | psycho_oreos | no there isn't a setting for assisted GPS but network position is known as assisted GPS in other words |
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| 07:02.14 | Psi | ok, ill turn that off and see if it fixes the issue |
| 07:02.15 | Sicelo | apparently supl.nokia.com is in bad shape of late. try supl.google.com |
| 07:02.26 | Psi | true, ill try that |
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| 07:03.27 | psycho_oreos | I wouldn't turn it off (network positioning), it greatly benefits your internal GPS with the accuracy with locating where you are |
| 07:03.31 | Psi | i had figured (wrongly) that network positioning was for cellsite location lookups |
| 07:04.08 | Psi | yeah, ive changed it to supl.google.com |
| 07:04.18 | edheldil | psycho_oreos: it should not affect accuracy, just fix acquire time (cold boot), no? |
| 07:05.25 | psycho_oreos | edheldil, not that I have examined in great detail under all sorts of weather conditions but I'm sure assisted GPS mode is not only faster but generally quite accurate even in cloudy days for instance or indoors/undercover |
| 07:10.11 | Psi | wow, it does seem to lock faster now |
| 07:10.30 | Psi | just waiting for pgz-latitude-widget to do its update and ill see if it fixed the 5000km out issue |
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| 07:19.17 | Psi | yay, it seems to have fixed the issue |
| 07:20.11 | Sicelo | ;) |
| 07:21.04 | Psi | thanks guys |
| 07:21.24 | Psi | (or girls) |
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| 09:00.31 | vadimq | hi, question: Is it possible to force the N900 attempt to reconnect to the phone network? Here's the thing: on my commute there's a 5 minute stretch when the train is over the ground. Depending on my luck, it may notice that there is a connection quickly, or right before going back underground |
| 09:01.01 | vadimq | so I'd like to have some way of forcing the phone to look for a tower again, so that I can have enough time to fetch the mail for instance |
| 09:01.18 | gomiam | vadimq: depending on your status... you might just want to turn it off and on again ;) |
| 09:02.18 | SpeedEvil | vadimq: there are a couple of ways - 2g/3g switcher - if you switch modes, it works - or offline/online mode |
| 09:03.38 | vadimq | SpeedEvil: aha, thanks, will give it a try |
| 09:03.51 | SpeedEvil | Or of course, switch on/off |
| 09:03.54 | SpeedEvil | off/on |
| 09:03.56 | SpeedEvil | but... |
| 09:03.59 | vadimq | yeah, but that's a pain |
| 09:04.23 | SpeedEvil | Indeed |
| 09:04.23 | vadimq | also, I open pages for reading without a connection |
| 09:05.36 | SpeedEvil | http://maemo.org/packages/view/3g2g-mode-selection-applet/ |
| 09:07.31 | ultra420 | hey....guys...my N900 always crash:with lots of error in dmesg: mmcblk0: error -84 transferring data, sector 59312104, nr 8, card status 0x900. [ 238.523193] end_request: I/O error, dev mmcblk0, sector 59312104 |
| 09:09.05 | SpeedEvil | Unfortunately, that's a hardware fault. |
| 09:10.25 | ultra420 | okay |
| 09:10.40 | ultra420 | thanks..i was suffer these days i realy love N900.. |
| 09:10.46 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
| 09:10.48 | ultra420 | i would like to buy another one.. |
| 09:11.11 | SpeedEvil | In principle, it's possible to run maemo from the SD, but nobody has reported on how to do this. |
| 09:14.40 | psycho_oreos | ultra420, that isn't your microSD isn't it? |
| 09:14.46 | psycho_oreos | those dmesg errors |
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| 09:16.08 | ultra420 | yeah...dear psycho_oreos,there is no micro SD in it now |
| 09:16.17 | ultra420 | i have drop sim ,sd Card away |
| 09:16.58 | ultra420 | and then i flash the N900 ,without install packages,it is just naked...but it still crashed...i feel painful..i do wanna another N900 now |
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| 09:17.14 | psycho_oreos | ultra420, that's the eMMC playing up then heh, overusage may lead to that. I've seen something similar with my class 10 microsdhc but a kernel patch fixed the issue |
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| 09:17.27 | luojie-dune_ | psycho_oreos: hello again, have you heard people installing Java programs.? |
| 09:18.10 | psycho_oreos | luojie-dune_, not installing java programs but I suppose you can run java stuff after installing icedtea 6 or something like that |
| 09:18.24 | ultra420 | dear psycho_oreos,do you mean that i could fix my N900's eMMC with a kernel patch ? |
| 09:19.10 | psycho_oreos | ultra420, no, if stock kernel can't fix it then its a hardware fault as SpeedEvil pointed out |
| 09:19.29 | ultra420 | :'( okay...thanks..... |
| 09:19.33 | luojie-dune_ | ultra420: I don't think anyone can confirm the particular problem of your device. |
| 09:20.01 | psycho_oreos | I have 3 N900, none of them exhibit this problem, not with eMMC anyway |
| 09:20.02 | ultra420 | -_-! why? i'm suffering for a long time now..i do love this N900 |
| 09:20.41 | psycho_oreos | it was probably manufactured with defects |
| 09:20.43 | psycho_oreos | heh |
| 09:20.46 | luojie-dune_ | psycho_oreos: ... salt on flesh... |
| 09:20.53 | ultra420 | could i paste a url here? about my N900's record.. |
| 09:20.56 | psycho_oreos | indeed |
| 09:21.02 | ultra420 | is it allowed here? |
| 09:21.13 | psycho_oreos | as long as it goes into pastebin if its more than 3 lines |
| 09:21.21 | luojie-dune_ | anybody help me get rid of #inkscape. |
| 09:21.21 | psycho_oreos | well yeah url I suppose would be ok |
| 09:21.31 | ultra420 | i record it in my dokuwiki |
| 09:21.54 | SpeedEvil | X |
| 09:22.05 | SpeedEvil | Stress on the board can also cause the issue |
| 09:22.11 | psycho_oreos | or that I suppose it may be interesting to look at, though from my end there's no solution that I know can alleviate it |
| 09:22.12 | SpeedEvil | the MMC is a large, fragile chip |
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| 09:22.58 | psycho_oreos | I think some people have tried to run fsck && badblocks against it, namely against the /home/user/MyDocs portion |
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| 09:24.45 | ultra420 | dear psycho_oreos; here is my dokuwiki page for N900's record,my English is very pool, thanks... http://wiki.86420.org/doku.php?id=6self:devices:n900_shame |
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| 09:35.26 | psycho_oreos | ultra420, some typos, some interesting stuff and maybe you should probably give badblocks another run to see if it helps. Though I wouldn't put high hopes on it |
| 09:36.09 | ultra420 | dear psycho_oreos,thanks.. i will try for a last time. |
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| 14:36.03 | giorgiline | hola! |
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| 15:08.06 | BonaC | Hi! |
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| 15:12.24 | BonaC | I am trying to make my N900's screen to act as a second display for my computer |
| 15:12.39 | BonaC | Do you know any way to send only one display to the N900? |
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| 15:13.00 | BonaC | I mean I'm trying VNC atm, but it lags quite heavily. |
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| 15:19.28 | giorgiline | what is vnc atm? |
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| 15:23.23 | BonaC | VNC Viewer |
| 15:23.33 | BonaC | I mean |
| 15:23.44 | BonaC | I am trying to use VNC at the moment |
| 15:27.15 | BonaC | So... Any ideas? I tried to add the :1 to the end of the ip address in order to connect only to the second display |
| 15:27.21 | BonaC | But it's not working. |
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| 15:29.48 | BonaC | It seems that TightVNC for some reason puts all of the desktops to :0 |
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| 15:36.42 | giorgiline | so yo want to use the n900 display as it would be a ssecond monitor for your pc? |
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| 15:46.22 | BonaC | Giorgi: Yes. |
| 15:46.54 | BonaC | Sorry, I've been busy googling how to make windows VNC treat displays as separate ports like in linux. |
| 15:53.24 | joga | BonaC I've never tried anything complex with windows vnc myself. do you currently have one monitor in windows and you want to have a separate desktop (as in multihead) shown on the n900? I'm not sure if windows can do that, a vnc server on linux can spawn just about any number of them with different desktops too, but the windows desktop is different... |
| 15:54.56 | BonaC | Yeah, I know it's difficult |
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| 15:55.33 | BonaC | I mean now RealVNC at my computer sends my primary display and the virtual display meant for the N900 all in one image |
| 15:55.58 | BonaC | So if I do something graphically intensive on the primary, n900 stops updating the picture |
| 15:56.31 | joga | I'm kinda thinking stretching the desktop to a fake monitor, setting a proper resolution for it, making vncserver serve just a part of the "dual" screen or the n900 client to only show the relevant part...but it might be difficult to get it proper |
| 15:56.43 | BonaC | It seems it's possible |
| 15:57.00 | BonaC | I have to do a manual workaround in registry editor |
| 15:58.24 | joga | possible, maybe, but is it worth it? ;P |
| 15:58.33 | joga | ok I guess it might be |
| 15:58.34 | joga | heh |
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| 15:58.58 | joga | hmm...might it be easier with an xserver for windows... |
| 15:59.09 | joga | not the same, really, but depends |
| 15:59.25 | BonaC | It must be worth it, it would be cost free this way |
| 15:59.41 | BonaC | If I don't manage to make this work, well |
| 15:59.43 | joga | you need food and shelter to make it happen ;p |
| 15:59.54 | BonaC | I have to buy a 200 euro USB monitor for this |
| 15:59.56 | BonaC | :D |
| 16:00.00 | joga | "usb monitor"? why |
| 16:00.25 | BonaC | It would be easier |
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| 16:00.44 | joga | a normal monitor is not enough? |
| 16:00.59 | BonaC | They are a bit too big and bulky that I have seen |
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| 16:01.17 | BonaC | And it ramps up my GTX 460's clocks |
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| 16:01.33 | joga | a usb display sounds kinda inefficient |
| 16:01.43 | joga | I'm not sure how they fare |
| 16:01.55 | BonaC | I don't need it to show any moving picture |
| 16:01.56 | javispedro | BonaC: joga: funnily I was discussing this moments ago. |
| 16:02.11 | BonaC | ? |
| 16:02.13 | javispedro | I had to RMA card days ago and I'm running a USB monitor via DisplayLink |
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| 16:02.21 | BonaC | Hmm |
| 16:02.22 | BonaC | :D |
| 16:02.26 | javispedro | have to say I am NOT able to distinguish it from native |
| 16:02.46 | javispedro | it's really lagless at 1680x1050x16 |
| 16:02.54 | joga | hmm, any cpu load or such? |
| 16:03.18 | javispedro | cannot really measure, as any noticeable increased CPU load is because I am VGAless and thus using a 3d software rasterizer |
| 16:03.32 | javispedro | either way, 4x3Ghz there's CPU to spare. |
| 16:03.37 | joga | heh |
| 16:04.15 | BonaC | Hmm |
| 16:04.31 | BonaC | I wonder how the display's name is set |
| 16:04.42 | BonaC | I mean \\.\display2. didn't work |
| 16:04.50 | javispedro | ah, windows... |
| 16:04.56 | BonaC | :D |
| 16:05.18 | BonaC | I can't do much gaming on Linux so |
| 16:05.19 | joga | heh, disk partitions are named nicely too |
| 16:05.28 | BonaC | ? |
| 16:05.35 | joga | (can't remember exactly) |
| 16:05.50 | BonaC | You mean C: etc. |
| 16:06.02 | joga | I mean the reference to a block device or the partitions on it |
| 16:06.16 | BonaC | Doesn't ring a bell here. |
| 16:06.32 | javispedro | note that a 1680x1050 fullscreen video stream does lag on DisplayLink, but at a quarter size there's no lag anymore. |
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| 16:07.23 | joga | actually it doesn't seem that bad but I think the "?" has some stuff in real world too "\\?\Device\Harddisk0\Partition0" |
| 16:07.47 | joga | or, no, it might actually be just a "?" |
| 16:09.06 | BonaC | I'm quite a noob with Linux |
| 16:09.19 | BonaC | I set up my home server just about week ago |
| 16:09.24 | joga | javispedro, it still sounds somewhat alien to me, but what do I know, I just have old trash as hardware ;) |
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| 16:09.54 | javispedro | math says it's possible. |
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| 16:13.41 | BonaC | Derp |
| 16:13.45 | BonaC | This isn't working |
| 16:13.53 | BonaC | Now I'm not getting a screen of any kind |
| 16:13.54 | BonaC | D: |
| 16:15.34 | joga | javispedro, possible sure. does it have any influence on other usb devices? (hard disks?) I mean bandwidthwise? (I'm not that sure how it works actually) |
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| 16:16.14 | javispedro | I'd guess so. But I have 2 controllers on this motherboard, and one is entirely dedicated to this. |
| 16:16.38 | BonaC | I quess I'm not going to be able to try this |
| 16:17.06 | joga | though I guess in a way it could be efficient for screens that are not rapidly updated, such as monitoring stuff, I dunno, guess depends a lot on the hardware implementation |
| 16:17.41 | joga | I've been mostly thinking about usb displays for embedded devices that don't have other ports so I'm a bit biased :) |
| 16:17.47 | javispedro | *2 USB controllers, I mean. |
| 16:18.20 | javispedro | I did try DisplayLink on the N900 |
| 16:18.35 | javispedro | back then there was no udlfb, so I had to use Xvnc |
| 16:18.43 | joga | how'd it work? |
| 16:19.01 | javispedro | speedwise it was usable, albeit not really lagless. |
| 16:19.18 | javispedro | would need to check again with udlfb. |
| 16:19.24 | javispedro | hm |
| 16:19.31 | javispedro | jsut remembered something... |
| 16:19.34 | joga | vnc lags for me on the n900 even over lan and 8-bit colour |
| 16:20.01 | ShadowJK | too cpu intensive |
| 16:21.12 | BonaC | I hate this bug in the GTX 460 cards |
| 16:21.32 | BonaC | They activate the 3D clocks if you attach second monitor. |
| 16:21.38 | javispedro | BonaC: it is not a bug |
| 16:21.43 | BonaC | I know |
| 16:21.53 | javispedro | also, every other single card in the universe does the same thing |
| 16:22.11 | BonaC | Yeah.. |
| 16:22.15 | BonaC | brb |
| 16:22.31 | javispedro | one of the reasons I will never buy a card with TDP > 60W. |
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| 16:27.40 | kakashi_ | hi can someone help me solve this problem |
| 16:27.52 | kakashi_ | whenever I keep my n900, by mistake I end up calling someone |
| 16:28.15 | kakashi_ | any idea how to prevent it |
| 16:28.27 | kakashi_ | the n900 lock is not so effective sometimes |
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| 16:36.10 | SpeedEvil | I use the lock on the side |
| 16:36.18 | SpeedEvil | The slide-lock |
| 16:36.23 | SpeedEvil | Nto the screen lock |
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| 16:46.22 | kakashi_ | SpeedEvil, the slide lock in the sense the one on the body? |
| 16:46.34 | kakashi_ | I mean the one to the side of the body |
| 16:47.21 | SpeedEvil | yes |
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| 17:05.24 | BonaC | I've never managed to do a pocket-call with mine |
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| 17:06.50 | BonaC | Any news about the community firmware? |
| 17:07.01 | BonaC | I mean is it safe to download now? |
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| 17:13.42 | RST38h | Meanwhile: HP's chief strategy officer to retire next month, won't have a successor (he has been the guy behind retaining WebOS) |
| 17:13.53 | RST38h | cheers, all |
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| 17:14.28 | javispedro | RST38h: excellent |
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| 17:17.00 | BonaC | Derp |
| 17:17.18 | BonaC | I would love the idea of having N900 as a "information monitor" |
| 17:17.20 | BonaC | But... |
| 17:17.34 | BonaC | It's a bit too complicated for me. D: |
| 17:18.28 | BonaC | Even though I am studying to become an ICT technician |
| 17:19.00 | BonaC | If that's even english |
| 17:19.17 | Macer | damn |
| 17:19.27 | Macer | i didn't know the AU$ to US$ rate was so good |
| 17:19.28 | Macer | :) |
| 17:19.45 | Macer | i thought i was bidding in US and i was bidding in AU lol |
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| 17:20.54 | BonaC | :D |
| 17:21.14 | Macer | oh wait |
| 17:21.16 | Macer | i guess not |
| 17:21.17 | Macer | wtf |
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| 17:21.41 | Macer | it is 1:1.03 in favor of the AUD :) |
| 17:21.42 | BluesLee | hi, has someone experiences with broken usb port? |
| 17:21.55 | Macer | BluesLee: lol. yes. i failed in having it repaired |
| 17:22.20 | Macer | i am on ebay trying to get a new n900 with plans to never use the usb port again and see about finding a way to use a charging pad or some other method to charge |
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| 17:23.23 | BluesLee | Macer: i gave mine away, they told me that it is a mechanical issue, so no guarentee ... maybe i would get an e7 as a replacement |
| 17:23.57 | BluesLee | Macer: i am really asking myself if i should insist to get my money back |
| 17:24.33 | Macer | if i could i would have |
| 17:24.37 | Macer | i would have demanded my money back |
| 17:24.41 | Macer | it is a factory issue |
| 17:24.50 | BluesLee | Macer: as i paid 600⬠right in the beginning ... |
| 17:24.55 | Macer | they were poorly made |
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| 17:24.58 | BonaC | My N900 also loses connection every now and then |
| 17:25.09 | Macer | i am trying to find some other means to charge it |
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| 17:25.21 | BluesLee | DocScrutinizer: ping |
| 17:25.26 | Macer | i was hoping there was a battery cover for an n900 by now but i guess nobody cares :( |
| 17:25.32 | BonaC | Car battery, two wires, N900 battery and some balls |
| 17:25.33 | BonaC | :D |
| 17:26.13 | BonaC | It's a shame that N900 has no real successor |
| 17:26.41 | BonaC | I mean, my N900 is quite much seen now, there's nothing new to it |
| 17:26.51 | BonaC | Excluding the second monitor idea |
| 17:28.01 | Macer | http://www.amazon.com/Duracell-Mygrid-Starter-Kit-1-Count/dp/B002M3TLLC |
| 17:28.07 | Macer | i wonder if something like that would work |
| 17:28.34 | NIN101 | there some threads on TMO about external chargers. |
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| 17:31.24 | Macer | NIN101: nothing helpful i'm sure :) |
| 17:31.26 | Macer | lol |
| 17:31.38 | Macer | i will look tho. i am still working on buying a new n900 :( |
| 17:31.42 | Macer | stupid usb port. |
| 17:32.11 | Macer | the nokia engineer who overlooked that mishap should be taken somewhere and shot |
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| 17:34.24 | BonaC | I quess I will buy Android if my N900 fucks up |
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| 17:35.28 | BonaC | Kind of a suicide message to tell that I see more potential in Android than Maemo/Meego at a maemo irc channel |
| 17:36.05 | Macer | heh |
| 17:36.14 | Macer | well.. it is kind of an obvious statement |
| 17:36.18 | teilzeitstudent | you should probably check your car before starting it from now on :P |
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| 17:36.24 | Macer | considering maemo/meego hold like .00000000000001% of the market share |
| 17:36.35 | BonaC | I don't have driver's license for a car |
| 17:37.21 | BonaC | Yeah, I guess that Meego would blow all of the current leaders to smitherines if Eflop wasn't in charge @ nokia. |
| 17:37.53 | SpeedEvil | Assuming that someone with a clue would appear if Elop departed is perhaps a bit wishful thinkign. |
| 17:37.57 | SpeedEvil | Also. |
| 17:38.11 | BonaC | :D |
| 17:38.11 | ShadowJK | dunno, it seemed like meego was working on making it as difficult to get things done on a phone as in android |
| 17:38.16 | SpeedEvil | N?okia basically lost the plot well over a year ago. |
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| 17:39.11 | ShadowJK | isn't sure yet whether N9 can read his email or not |
| 17:39.29 | BonaC | D: |
| 17:39.43 | BonaC | But the first windows phone |
| 17:39.49 | BonaC | It's N9 with a different OS |
| 17:39.50 | ShadowJK | the openvpn thread is a bit inconclusive on whether one has to crack Aegis first or not before getting vpn |
| 17:40.10 | javispedro | ShadowJK: doesn't vpn require a kernel module? |
| 17:40.13 | ShadowJK | yes |
| 17:40.20 | javispedro | then: yes |
| 17:40.48 | ShadowJK | and permission to edit routing table, and send commands to the kernel module in order to set it up |
| 17:41.06 | javispedro | how can it be inconclusive then? |
| 17:41.16 | javispedro | they were thinking about implementing all of that in userspace? =) |
| 17:41.55 | ShadowJK | As in the thread was full of Aegis-yayers saying it "should" work, and people saying it doesn't work |
| 17:42.21 | ShadowJK | I got the impression the people who said it works had some non-evil unreleased version |
| 17:42.27 | ShadowJK | (of harmattan) |
| 17:42.47 | javispedro | well, let me think for a moment |
| 17:43.03 | javispedro | iirc, the required module is tun? |
| 17:43.14 | ShadowJK | ya |
| 17:43.37 | ShadowJK | Supposed to be included? But then you also need to be able to manipulate it |
| 17:43.47 | ShadowJK | and openvpn needs permissions to do that |
| 17:43.51 | javispedro | CONFIG_TUN=y indeed. |
| 17:44.24 | javispedro | crw-rw-rw- 1 root root for the device node, which is not bad. |
| 17:44.54 | villager | normally, root permissions would suffice... vpn just needs to set up new routing tables, most of it happens in userspace, the kernel module needed is a default kernel component |
| 17:45.22 | javispedro | there's no real root in aegis. you have to enumarate all the posix capabilities separately |
| 17:45.47 | BonaC | I guess I'm closer to the second display - UltraVNC has the display selection built-in |
| 17:46.03 | villager | yes, hence "normally"... so more study needed, probably |
| 17:46.38 | javispedro | both net_Raw and net_admin are available |
| 17:46.39 | villager | I think openvpn also needs ppp support, but that's probably also in the default kernel |
| 17:47.02 | ShadowJK | doesn't need ppp |
| 17:47.18 | villager | okay, maybe that was for something else then |
| 17:47.49 | javispedro | I think I'm going to remove my veredict of "busted" and set it to "plausible" |
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| 17:49.48 | villager | maybe the vpn I needed ppp for was some other vpn type |
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| 17:50.25 | javispedro | you can do fully userspace ppp though |
| 17:51.18 | villager | anyway, the kernel only needs to expose the TUN interface and permit userspace to manipulate it and the netfilter routing tables, then userspace can do the rest |
| 17:52.37 | villager | (where netfilter means the stuff manipulated by the "iptables" command) |
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| 18:06.03 | BonaC | I quess I have to settle with the both screens showing up @ VNC |
| 18:06.15 | BonaC | UltraVNC was quite a bit faster |
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| 18:10.05 | BonaC | It fucking works |
| 18:10.26 | BonaC | Only that it makes my GPU idle @ 50 degrees celsius |
| 18:10.50 | BonaC | Without the virtual screen it's about 27-38 |
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| 18:25.36 | woldrich | don't worry. mine hovers around 80... idle |
| 18:29.42 | BonaC | Radeon 4800? |
| 18:29.44 | BonaC | Series |
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| 18:35.23 | madkickers | hi. i have installed a lot of apps on my n900 and now root is out of free space.what can i do now. i have removed some of them but it did't work. disk usage shows that /usr/lib is very large |
| 18:36.31 | mgedmin | madkickers, quick way to free up some space on root is to disable apt repositories |
| 18:37.15 | mgedmin | because /var/lib/apt/lists and /var/cache/apt/pkgcache.bin tend to grow large when you have many repos |
| 18:37.33 | mgedmin | or you could move stuff from /usr/lib by hand to /opt, then create symlinks |
| 18:37.34 | madkickers | let me see |
| 18:37.43 | mgedmin | just don't move any of the built-in libraries: that could end badly |
| 18:38.05 | mgedmin | make sure things you're moving are part of those "lots of apps" you mentioned |
| 18:38.50 | ShadowJK | Unbelievable that apps still use / space :-( |
| 18:40.18 | madkickers | microb-engine,locals and gcc have gotten lots of space. can i move them? |
| 18:40.48 | ShadowJK | gcc |
| 18:41.01 | madkickers | only gcc? |
| 18:41.03 | ShadowJK | or are you talking about libgcc? |
| 18:41.49 | madkickers | idk, there is a directory in /usr/lib/ which its name is gcc |
| 18:42.01 | ShadowJK | Do you use gcc? |
| 18:42.15 | madkickers | sometimes yes |
| 18:42.45 | ShadowJK | Well it's something that isn't installed by default, so I'd try move the directory to /opt somewhere, and create a symlink to it from /usr/lib/gcc -> /opt/whatever |
| 18:43.22 | ShadowJK | locale and microb-engine are installed by default, so I'd myself not try move them. They're 22.8M and 23.7M on my device |
| 18:43.55 | madkickers | good idea, but y can't i do this about microb and locale? |
| 18:45.38 | ShadowJK | If they are needed before mmc is mounted, your device wouldn't boot, and you'll end up in a reboot loop |
| 18:45.57 | ShadowJK | I'd make backups and be prepared to reinstall before touching stuff that's installed by default |
| 18:46.34 | ShadowJK | Also, some things are considered "important", and if they crash for whatever reason, they'll be restarted 5 times (or something like that), and if they still fail, device will reboot... |
| 18:47.28 | madkickers | tnx dude. |
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| 18:57.55 | ShadowJK | yeah it is |
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| 22:19.28 | jesuschrist | anyone got a n9? |
| 22:19.53 | OkropNick | o my god! :D |
| 22:20.22 | jesuschrist | :| |
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| 22:22.35 | psycho_oreos | lol |
| 22:22.36 | psycho_oreos | not I |
| 22:22.51 | psycho_oreos | you may find more N9 owners in #harmattan though |
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| 22:23.53 | jesuschrist | im there |
| 22:23.56 | jesuschrist | noone is replying |
| 22:24.30 | psycho_oreos | maybe bad timing, you may need to wait, or you can try asking what you want out of N9 from N9 owners from tmo |
| 22:24.42 | jesuschrist | i just want to know |
| 22:24.51 | jesuschrist | where the hell did they get theirs |
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| 22:25.07 | jesuschrist | and how much they paied for |
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| 22:26.16 | psycho_oreos | N9 varies in price by the internal capacities |
| 22:26.37 | psycho_oreos | and I'm sure online shop or visiting another country could allow one to obtain it |
| 22:27.25 | jesuschrist | obviously avoiding flying to other countries AND out-of-mind prices |
| 22:29.16 | psycho_oreos | well online retailers maybe your only choice then.. or if you have a mate/friend who might be able to get it for you elsewhere |
| 22:30.08 | jesuschrist | actually ive visited the forum |
| 22:30.26 | jesuschrist | and found a user organizing a community purchase |
| 22:30.30 | jesuschrist | thats the reason im here |
| 22:30.42 | psycho_oreos | yeah I don't know if that's going to happen (if ever) |
| 22:30.57 | jesuschrist | hmm he succeded buying some from dubai |
| 22:31.12 | jesuschrist | at least that is what is written |
| 22:31.22 | jesuschrist | at a reasonable price i mean |
| 22:31.31 | psycho_oreos | some users posted themselves in group purchasing (depending on locality) and asking if anyone else wants to have one whilst this person is on overseas trip |
| 22:31.59 | jesuschrist | in switzerland they sell it for 450 euro |
| 22:32.01 | psycho_oreos | think I came across that dubai bit, that was with 16GB internal storage iinm, heh lowest of the N9 form |
| 22:32.01 | jesuschrist | hmmm |
| 22:32.15 | jesuschrist | yeah that is what im searching anyway |
| 22:32.17 | jesuschrist | the 16gb |
| 22:35.05 | psycho_oreos | personally I'd get the 64GB, but I'm lucky to be in one of the countries where its not `blacklisted' |
| 22:35.30 | jesuschrist | where are you from |
| 22:35.52 | jesuschrist | and what do you need all that amount of space anyway |
| 22:36.36 | DrGrov | Finland anyone? There should be quite good availability of N9's here of what I have heard. Not 100% sure though how many pre orders have been made. |
| 22:36.49 | DrGrov | But talking with operator people it seems like they have ordered quite good stocks of it. |
| 22:37.41 | psycho_oreos | Australia, and I can use the space for other platforms/music, etc. Not to mention if the flash drive decides to die slowly, you'll see chunks of memory gets `rotten away'. With 16GB you get less playable space over years but 64GB may leave you a lot more |
| 22:38.04 | psycho_oreos | plus not to mention that N9 doesn't come with expandable storage so really 64GB makes sense to me at any rate |
| 22:38.27 | jesuschrist | i thought the n9 had a microsd slot |
| 22:38.32 | psycho_oreos | nope |
| 22:38.43 | jesuschrist | ive checked the aussie sites but it seems noone ships oversea |
| 22:39.01 | DrGrov | Has anyone tested the N9 live? How does it feel? |
| 22:39.04 | psycho_oreos | yeah I don't think they would apart from fleabay (ebay) |
| 22:39.11 | DrGrov | Is it worth the money? |
| 22:39.32 | psycho_oreos | There's a few tmo threads about N9 |
| 22:39.35 | jesuschrist | seems a decent device |
| 22:40.33 | psycho_oreos | it looks nice but honestly I'm annoyed that it doesn't come with hardware keyboard and expandable storage. So really the only other thing that comes close is the N950 minus expandable storage, NFC (which I don't need), etc |
| 22:40.43 | jesuschrist | cheapest n9 64gb i can find is 540 euro |
| 22:40.51 | jesuschrist | versus the 16gb 450 |
| 22:41.57 | jesuschrist | the n950 |
| 22:41.57 | DrGrov | I must head into town tomorrow to get a feel of it |
| 22:42.07 | jesuschrist | you cant buy it, right ? |
| 22:42.17 | psycho_oreos | yeah the N950 isn't available publicly and it comes with only 16GB |
| 22:42.39 | psycho_oreos | well the latter form does, the earlier form was rumoured to have either 32GB or 64GB internally |
| 22:43.02 | jesuschrist | :( |
| 22:44.00 | psycho_oreos | N950 is restricted in several other forms, like 512MB RAM as opposed to 1GB RAM, and who knows if N950 supports pentaband like N9 (I personally don't own N950 myself but would love to get a genuine one) |
| 22:44.12 | jesuschrist | http://www.vendio.com/stores/rivera1970/item?lid=19696039&source=Vendio:Google%20Product%20Search |
| 22:44.16 | jesuschrist | seems a decent price too |
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| 22:45.17 | psycho_oreos | I don't think that's a genuine N950 |
| 22:45.54 | jesuschrist | says meego 1.2 |
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| 22:46.43 | psycho_oreos | the design looks like a latter form, which is supposed to have 16GB internal storage (as opposed to advertised 8GB), which has 8MP camera (as opposed to advertised 12MP), and I doubt the form factor for N950 is candy bar |
| 22:46.57 | psycho_oreos | there's lots of scammers selling N950, I'd be weary personally |
| 22:47.13 | jesuschrist | the site defintly |
| 22:47.18 | jesuschrist | doesnt seem ahem |
| 22:47.21 | jesuschrist | "secure" |
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| 22:48.41 | jesuschrist | how did someone get |
| 22:48.43 | jesuschrist | a n950 ? |
| 22:48.46 | psycho_oreos | and there's only one picture, hard to say if its the real deal or not |
| 22:49.44 | psycho_oreos | they have to either be a nokia forum champion, developed Qt apps freely (only 300 developers were selected from the community, that applied their interest in porting their programs to Qt) or developed Qt for commercial programs |
| 22:50.59 | jesuschrist | so there are 300 n950 out there ? |
| 22:51.03 | psycho_oreos | I think N950 was freely handed out at a function in Finland at one stage, not too sure what the purpose of the function was |
| 22:51.22 | psycho_oreos | no, alot more than that.. I'm guessing somewhere around 1000 but there's no actual figures |
| 22:51.49 | jesuschrist | seems quite bette rthan n9 |
| 22:51.55 | jesuschrist | has also microsd support |
| 22:51.58 | jesuschrist | -_- |
| 22:52.14 | psycho_oreos | apparently some N950 owners told me it doesn't have microsd support |
| 22:52.40 | jesuschrist | i checked a video |
| 22:52.45 | psycho_oreos | and we're talking about the latter form |
| 22:52.58 | psycho_oreos | video? |
| 22:53.06 | jesuschrist | maybe i misunderstood what i saw in a video on a n950 |
| 22:53.10 | jesuschrist | just seen it |
| 22:53.51 | psycho_oreos | well I personally don't own N950 so the only thing I can go by is what owners say and pictures |
| 22:54.17 | jesuschrist | they also sell on ebay |
| 22:54.24 | jesuschrist | sd for the n950 -_- |
| 22:54.40 | jesuschrist | well who cares, couldnt get one anyway |
| 22:54.50 | psycho_oreos | actually there was a few videos of N950 floating around, apparently youtube videos but I don't recall seeing N950 actually sported a microsd slot |
| 22:55.06 | jesuschrist | ill show the video ive seen |
| 22:55.07 | psycho_oreos | heh that N950 for sell on ebay was a scam, there was a tmo thread about it |
| 22:55.20 | jesuschrist | no actually |
| 22:55.29 | jesuschrist | im talking about sd |
| 22:55.30 | jesuschrist | for |
| 22:55.31 | jesuschrist | n950 |
| 22:55.34 | jesuschrist | not the phone itseld |
| 22:55.50 | psycho_oreos | ahh ok, well the seller is probably either a scammer or clueles |
| 22:55.58 | psycho_oreos | s/clueles/clueless/ |
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| 22:56.58 | jesuschrist | http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=IR2zR2O8aLI#t=52s |
| 22:57.27 | jesuschrist | isnt that a sd slot ? |
| 22:59.40 | psycho_oreos | don't know and doubt it, if lets say that is a microsd slot, where does the sim card go? or micro sim? |
| 23:01.47 | jesuschrist | i dont think thats the sim slot |
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| 23:05.37 | psycho_oreos | that is the sim slot, I just checked the manual from fcc page: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=74326 |
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| 23:06.25 | jesuschrist | lol |
| 23:07.38 | psycho_oreos | I don't see what's funny about that |
| 23:09.55 | jesuschrist | neither i |
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| 23:10.05 | jesuschrist | anyway, how to get one from malaysia |
| 23:11.55 | psycho_oreos | like I said, from ebay or from someone who either resides there or visits there |
| 23:12.20 | jesuschrist | do you have a n900 psycho ? |
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| 23:12.39 | psycho_oreos | yes, 3 |
| 23:12.46 | jesuschrist | 3 ? wow |
| 23:12.59 | jesuschrist | why 3 ? |
| 23:13.26 | psycho_oreos | in case if one of them dies, I still have the other, for testing, for alarm clocks, for development, etc |
| 23:13.45 | jesuschrist | oh you are a developer? |
| 23:13.50 | jesuschrist | why didnt you apply for the 950 |
| 23:14.01 | psycho_oreos | I did but wasn't shortlisted |
| 23:14.07 | jesuschrist | oh darn |
| 23:14.25 | jesuschrist | what do you think about the n9 anyway and meego future ? |
| 23:14.49 | x29a | lol |
| 23:14.50 | psycho_oreos | though I don't program stuff that is of big deal, I just do improvements on other people's projects and also doing my own modding |
| 23:15.28 | psycho_oreos | well N9 is the only choice I guess, meego is probably going to die hardware-wise (as it will lack manufacturer support) |
| 23:15.41 | psycho_oreos | it'll probably become entities like shr and openmoko |
| 23:16.02 | jesuschrist | theres noone else beside nokia? |
| 23:16.02 | ShadowJK | And then we can argue about whether harmattan can be called meego or not |
| 23:16.03 | ShadowJK | :P |
| 23:17.11 | psycho_oreos | intel and nokia were the founders of meego, there's no other manufacturers supporting meego.. there was a rumoured fujitsu netbook? I guess that somewhat died |
| 23:18.46 | jesuschrist | i think its time for intel to make a i7 mobile phone |
| 23:18.55 | jesuschrist | with meego and an autonomy of 3 minutes |
| 23:18.59 | ShadowJK | lol |
| 23:19.12 | ShadowJK | there's an atom phone |
| 23:19.17 | jesuschrist | really? |
| 23:19.19 | ShadowJK | but it's limited availability and costly |
| 23:19.21 | psycho_oreos | heh a pocket warmer that'll last for maybe 1 hour tops with a humongous battery that makes the phone look more like a brick than a phone |
| 23:19.22 | jesuschrist | name? |
| 23:19.25 | ShadowJK | Aava |
| 23:19.36 | psycho_oreos | yeah its based on intel moorestown |
| 23:20.06 | jesuschrist | autonomy? |
| 23:20.09 | jesuschrist | lasts a day ? |
| 23:20.28 | psycho_oreos | I was referring to your comment on intel should make i7 powered phone |
| 23:20.41 | jesuschrist | i know |
| 23:20.51 | jesuschrist | bbut im refering to the aava phone |
| 23:21.03 | psycho_oreos | in fact I would be surprised to see if ever intel decides to manufacture things apart from just chipsets and boards |
| 23:21.28 | ShadowJK | their boards are manufactured by foxconn |
| 23:21.29 | ShadowJK | ;-) |
| 23:21.34 | jesuschrist | intel maks also ssds :> |
| 23:21.42 | psycho_oreos | SSD = chips |
| 23:21.43 | jesuschrist | s/maks/makes |
| 23:21.44 | ShadowJK | iirc, Aava was financed by Intel |
| 23:22.03 | psycho_oreos | keyword: was |
| 23:22.04 | psycho_oreos | :) |
| 23:22.19 | psycho_oreos | err financed |
| 23:22.45 | ShadowJK | psycho_oreos, well... Intel did revolutionize the SSD segment by creating a controller that didn't suck. They kept the controller to themselves, but I guess sandforce has some sort of leap on them now |
| 23:22.48 | psycho_oreos | i.e. intel doesn't manufacture the whole device themselves, they may make portion of it and that's it |
| 23:23.13 | jesuschrist | i thought the controller on intel ssds was marvel not intel |
| 23:23.15 | ShadowJK | And the thing that makes controller not suck is the software algorithm in it :-) |
| 23:23.21 | ShadowJK | Yeah on the newer cheap ones |
| 23:23.23 | ShadowJK | it's marvell |
| 23:23.59 | Macer | damn |
| 23:24.00 | psycho_oreos | ShadowJK, still it doesn't make intel the fact that it has created a whole device :) just a portion of what would seem to be part of the epic monolith |
| 23:24.13 | Macer | i am still looking for a compatible charging pad |
| 23:24.20 | Macer | for an n900 |
| 23:24.38 | Macer | the duracell mygrid looks the most promising |
| 23:24.52 | Macer | with its universal clip |
| 23:25.44 | Macer | i want to avoid touching the usb port at all costs lol. i wil wifi everything for data and use a charging pad for power :-) |
| 23:27.25 | ShadowJK | Macer, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmyTeMUAf0E this looks like a very quick wireless charger |
| 23:28.07 | jesuschrist | anyway im not so sure now to get a n9 |
| 23:28.35 | jesuschrist | its expensive with tragic destiny towards his feet plus its hard to get one |
| 23:29.08 | ShadowJK | has two N900 :D |
| 23:29.20 | jesuschrist | ill buy a white iphone 4s what do you think guys ? |
| 23:30.10 | jesuschrist | guys ? |
| 23:30.19 | ShadowJK | I think you should get whatever phone works best for you |
| 23:30.29 | psycho_oreos | buy whatever makes you happy |
| 23:30.41 | ShadowJK | If iphone has everything you need, go for it |
| 23:30.57 | ShadowJK | If a samsung bada has all you need, go for it |
| 23:31.00 | jesuschrist | its magical |
| 23:31.02 | jesuschrist | really |
| 23:31.09 | jesuschrist | anyway i expected some rage |
| 23:31.13 | jesuschrist | no rage for me ? :( |
| 23:31.19 | Macer | er |
| 23:31.22 | jesuschrist | then ill really get one |
| 23:31.38 | psycho_oreos | we're all mature enough to not rant for being fanboyish :þ |
| 23:31.41 | Macer | is this a quest for snm? :) |
| 23:32.01 | ShadowJK | I love my N900, I have doubts about N9, but everything else looks worse, so I don't know what to do except stay with N900? |
| 23:32.16 | Macer | shadow. i am on my lame g2 now in a term |
| 23:32.22 | Macer | no url detection |
| 23:32.39 | jesuschrist | i ended up looking for n9 searching for a qwerty android phone |
| 23:32.41 | Macer | another thing i seriously miss about my n900 |
| 23:32.46 | ShadowJK | g2? is that ... htc desire in google brand? |
| 23:32.54 | Macer | no |
| 23:32.56 | ShadowJK | N9 isn't qwerty btw |
| 23:33.00 | jesuschrist | i know |
| 23:33.04 | Macer | htc vision in tmobile brand |
| 23:33.13 | psycho_oreos | I'll have N900 and possibly N9.. when they all die I'll switch across to android platform or hopefully there will be a better player on the market with more open linux core like maemo/meego does |
| 23:33.14 | jesuschrist | but i really like the design plus maemo |
| 23:33.18 | Macer | it is a pos |
| 23:33.31 | ShadowJK | If I could find a non-sucky android in qwerty, that would probably be my next phone. Unless they decide to sell N950, in which case I'd get that. heh. |
| 23:33.32 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: for me N900 is the most maintainable and mature system available for now, and it offers all I need to get happy with it for the foreseeable future |
| 23:33.58 | Macer | isnt a droid qwerty? |
| 23:34.16 | psycho_oreos | no droid comes in various form factors |
| 23:34.20 | DocScrutinizer | see "non-sucky" :-D |
| 23:34.30 | Macer | this g2 has a qwerty but it is a flimsy piece of crap |
| 23:34.33 | ShadowJK | Also, motorola is hard to get |
| 23:34.41 | jesuschrist | actually qwerty android are few |
| 23:34.45 | ShadowJK | yeah |
| 23:34.45 | Macer | my "zhinge" cable wore out |
| 23:35.01 | jesuschrist | theres the htc desire z |
| 23:35.02 | ShadowJK | only I found was some S3C64xx Samsung, and some crappy Sony-ericsson |
| 23:35.07 | Macer | so when i open it tue video messes up :) |
| 23:35.18 | ShadowJK | I already have a S3C* device, it's enough |
| 23:35.20 | Macer | jesus.. that is a vision |
| 23:35.22 | psycho_oreos | I'll be looking at a qwerty based android device myself too after N900/N9 |
| 23:35.23 | jesuschrist | im actually thinking about the crappy sony ericsson |
| 23:35.35 | psycho_oreos | eww sory ericsson |
| 23:35.37 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: (S3C*) HEHEHE |
| 23:35.47 | Macer | tmobile g2/ htc desire z / htc vision |
| 23:35.50 | jesuschrist | its cheap, has a keyboard and decent hardware |
| 23:35.56 | Macer | it sucks |
| 23:36.14 | ShadowJK | jesuschrist, iirc when I looked it was 320x240 screen... |
| 23:36.17 | Macer | it is a made in taiwan flimsy piece of overpriced garbage |
| 23:36.31 | Macer | slave labor and cheap parts at its best |
| 23:36.34 | jesuschrist | ShadowJK : they upgraded the model, some months ago |
| 23:36.38 | psycho_oreos | I'd never buy a sory product that is capable of storing/recording any sort of medium |
| 23:36.49 | jesuschrist | Macer : arent they all made by slaves ? |
| 23:36.58 | psycho_oreos | Macer, you got that wrong, Made in China is where there's cheap labour and parts |
| 23:36.59 | Macer | fair point |
| 23:37.11 | Macer | but these must have been the suicidal ones |
| 23:37.31 | Macer | psycho... :) taiwan is china!! |
| 23:37.44 | DocScrutinizer | no |
| 23:37.48 | psycho_oreos | Macer that's like saying US is UK |
| 23:37.49 | Macer | reunification!! |
| 23:37.59 | Macer | not really |
| 23:38.10 | Macer | the uk isnt saying the us is part of the kingdom anymore |
| 23:38.11 | psycho_oreos | indeed not really, the same goes with Taiwan vs China |
| 23:38.31 | psycho_oreos | Macer, to your simple analogy of Taiwan vs China is much the same |
| 23:38.38 | jesuschrist | ShadowJK : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_Ericsson_Xperia_Pro |
| 23:38.51 | jesuschrist | they got better resolution now |
| 23:39.10 | Macer | psycho.. i think it is similar to saying an indian reservation isnt on american soil? |
| 23:39.13 | ShadowJK | mmm |
| 23:39.23 | Macer | bad one too. |
| 23:39.26 | ShadowJK | not N9+keyb, but close |
| 23:39.47 | Macer | according to china taiwan is part of china. their slavery is just as strong |
| 23:39.50 | Macer | :) |
| 23:40.30 | jesuschrist | well still it has qwerty |
| 23:40.42 | Macer | i personally love the n900 qwerty |
| 23:41.07 | Macer | it has arrows :) |
| 23:41.22 | Macer | do they even sell n9s? |
| 23:41.22 | jesuschrist | i have a e71 |
| 23:41.30 | psycho_oreos | Macer, no your analogy of indian reservation on american soil isn't related, and yes accordiing to china, taiwan and many other neighbouring countries is China, even they would dare to consider US as part of theirs afterall they bought US currency |
| 23:41.53 | Macer | only place ive sen them had a retarded price tag |
| 23:41.57 | psycho_oreos | s/accordiing/according/ |
| 23:42.01 | jesuschrist | australia is a british colony, period. |
| 23:42.28 | Macer | psychos uhm... ok? |
| 23:42.38 | psycho_oreos | it probably won't be soon, the old prime minister one stage declared independence from the monarchy and was granted |
| 23:42.49 | Macer | i think it goes a bit deeper than that but alrighty |
| 23:43.06 | psycho_oreos | Macer, in other words, don't mess with someone whose motherland is Taiwan :) |
| 23:43.15 | jesuschrist | you still have queen betty II as head of state ? |
| 23:43.27 | psycho_oreos | jesuschrist, doubt it |
| 23:43.34 | jesuschrist | wiki says so |
| 23:43.53 | Macer | lets see what happens when taiwan declqres independence :) |
| 23:44.12 | Macer | declares |
| 23:44.15 | psycho_oreos | wiki who? |
| 23:44.25 | jesuschrist | Mr Pedia Wiki |
| 23:44.26 | psycho_oreos | Macer, that's when world war III happens :) |
| 23:44.32 | Macer | yup |
| 23:44.35 | Macer | lol |
| 23:44.48 | ShadowJK | I think it was the other way around |
| 23:45.03 | ShadowJK | PRC declared independence from ROC ;-) |
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| 23:45.15 | psycho_oreos | jesuschrist, ahh well, I guess not for long, I'm sure Australia is free mostly from the monarchy, but it still remains as part of the commonwealth |
| 23:45.19 | Macer | ironic isnt it? |
| 23:45.21 | Macer | lol |
| 23:45.24 | ShadowJK | And at some point ROC's seat at the UN was silently handed over to PRC |
| 23:45.46 | Macer | shadow.. when they realized they could use china to make walmart? |
| 23:46.04 | ShadowJK | yeah maybe |
| 23:46.15 | psycho_oreos | I think ROC was never given the right to be part of UN, in fact because UN doesn't recognise ROC's independence and because of PRC's fearful tactics lead to UN council electing PRC instead |
| 23:46.37 | Macer | because of walmart |
| 23:46.42 | Macer | :) |
| 23:46.47 | jesuschrist | psycho_oreos : not for long ? are you planning a revolution against the brits ? |
| 23:47.28 | psycho_oreos | jesuschrist, I'm more happy to be a repulican myself :) though I'm sure we won't have to fight with blood these days |
| 23:47.38 | Macer | could you imagine what would happen if the chinese manufacturing machine shut down to the world? |
| 23:47.39 | psycho_oreos | s/repulican/republican/ |
| 23:47.49 | Macer | it would be chaos |
| 23:47.53 | jesuschrist | still has some romantic implications living in a monarchy |
| 23:47.59 | jesuschrist | dragons, knights, sorcerers |
| 23:48.00 | Macer | entire trailer parks starving to death |
| 23:48.21 | psycho_oreos | except dragons and sorcerers are mythical entities |
| 23:48.23 | ShadowJK | well, ROC was a member until a few years after they were confined to exist on a tiny island? :P |
| 23:48.59 | psycho_oreos | I don't recall ROC was ever a member, PRC was constantly threatening ROC's `rogue-ness' |
| 23:49.22 | psycho_oreos | though who knows, maybe the UN council was bribed and bought by China |
| 23:51.32 | jesuschrist | hmm i just found another interesting android qwerty phone |
| 23:51.40 | jesuschrist | lg optimus q2 |
| 23:51.57 | ShadowJK | ROC was a member until 1971, when they were replaced by PRC :P |
| 23:53.02 | psycho_oreos | well *shrugs* got me facts wrong but the point is still valid that PRC did make lots of threatening remarks to make ROC back off :P |
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| 23:56.40 | DocScrutinizer | lemme tell you sth - I visited Taipei several times, and I assure you this is NOT "China" for any definition of the term used by us westerners |
| 23:57.29 | jesuschrist | anyway communism is the way |
| 23:57.39 | DocScrutinizer | uhuh |
| 23:57.46 | jesuschrist | :D |
| 23:58.02 | psycho_oreos | that's like saying you don't mind working for Apple |
| 23:58.06 | DocScrutinizer | sure it's the way - - to *where*? |
| 23:58.23 | psycho_oreos | in fact I could somewhat dare to say China is kinda like a big Apple land |
| 23:58.45 | jesuschrist | to free ourselves from capitalistic rule |
| 23:58.52 | luojie-dune | its a way to business corruption |
| 23:58.53 | DocScrutinizer | foxcon for sure |