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| 00:59.11 | yigal | does anyone know if GMapToGPX can be used on the N900 directly to make routing easier with Google? |
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| 03:16.37 | DocScrutinizer | indeed |
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| 06:47.01 | doc|home | anyone know how to unset the device lock pin so you can set a new one? Phone's not locked. |
| 06:47.11 | doc|home | or what the default one is? |
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| 06:47.48 | doc|home | nm, got it |
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| 06:56.12 | woldrich | In what situations do you get to see and 'use' your lockscreen? I've played around with qtlockscreen, but how do I lock the device in such a way that I can see and make use of the lockscreen? Whenever I touches the display or whatever I come back to the desktop. Isn't this controlled with the device lock settings in the settings manager? |
| 06:59.23 | woldrich | if I set the lock screen delay to 5 minutes, after 5 minutes a dialog thing pops up where it wants me to enter the lock password. Do I have to enter a password for *entering* lock mode? |
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| 07:01.02 | ruskie | no |
| 07:01.08 | ruskie | it's for unlocking it |
| 07:01.23 | woldrich | but... I never get to see it! |
| 07:02.40 | woldrich | I want to show the lockscreen all the time when I have it connected to the computer. The screen is always on, but I still never get to see the lockscreen |
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| 07:05.00 | ruskie | erm |
| 07:05.07 | ruskie | there is a standby screen and a lock screen |
| 07:05.15 | ruskie | the lock screen would be the stuff with the keypad on it |
| 07:05.22 | woldrich | keypad? |
| 07:05.22 | ruskie | standby screen has the slide to unlock stuff and time |
| 07:05.46 | woldrich | http://i.japh.se/n900/screenshot_1318921466.png <--- this |
| 07:06.00 | ruskie | yeah that would be the standby screen |
| 07:06.20 | ruskie | I'm assuming you want to see that one |
| 07:06.25 | woldrich | yes, please. |
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| 07:06.56 | ruskie | not sure it is possible |
| 07:07.07 | woldrich | what |
| 07:07.21 | woldrich | grr, what use is these things if I can't see it? |
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| 07:28.10 | edheldil | woldrich: the standby screen is displayed when you double press the OFF button |
| 07:28.43 | woldrich | aaaah! there. |
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| 07:29.04 | woldrich | so there's no way I can make it always visible while it's charging? |
| 07:29.33 | edheldil | but since I have installed QtLockscreen, I started to use the slider, hence I don't see it at all |
| 07:29.43 | woldrich | slider? |
| 07:30.08 | edheldil | the Nokia's logic behind slider/button completely eludes me |
| 07:30.34 | edheldil | there's a slider on the right side of the phone, above the audio connector |
| 07:30.41 | woldrich | ah. that thing |
| 07:30.55 | ruskie | hehe |
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| 07:32.55 | edheldil | why bother with standbyscreen if there's a hw button bypassing it? Braindead |
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| 07:45.14 | ruskie | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/10/19/ballmer_disses_android_complex/ <-- erm... yes... suuuure |
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| 07:55.00 | RST38h | Meanwhile: Certain underground hacking forums are acting as training academies and tech-support networks for cybercriminals as well as creating a marketplace for a vast array of cybercrime tools, say researchers! |
| 07:55.06 | RST38h | OMG |
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| 11:31.44 | jacks_lt | Is it possible to use apt pinning with maemo on n900? |
| 11:32.23 | arnet | jacks_lt: I wouldn't do that :) |
| 11:32.33 | arnet | I have a huge experience of bricking my device so far :) |
| 11:34.07 | jacks_lt | hmm ok |
| 11:34.28 | jacks_lt | is there another way to install a typical version number, in this case power kernel 47? |
| 11:36.58 | jacks_lt | arnet: ^ |
| 11:39.39 | arnet | jacks_lt: Hmm, you know, after thinking a little more, may be pinning on maemo is not the same as pinning on Debian, because we don't have Sid here... |
| 11:40.13 | arnet | You may mix only stable/testing |
| 11:40.22 | arnet | And it should be safe |
| 11:40.33 | jacks_lt | http://yoush.homelinux.org:8079/tech/etcaptpreferences-on-n900 |
| 11:41.05 | jacks_lt | anyway, I like to install pk 47 |
| 11:41.22 | arnet | and on maemo4 I was installing specific kernel version just with dpkg |
| 11:41.48 | jacks_lt | you downloaded a deb? |
| 11:42.00 | jacks_lt | or can you use dpkg with repos |
| 11:42.25 | arnet | No, I have downloaded a deb manually |
| 11:42.31 | jacks_lt | k |
| 11:42.31 | arnet | I see (the link) |
| 11:43.15 | arnet | And I remember that apt-get upgrade with extras-devel bricked device. |
| 11:43.19 | edheldil | you can do apt-get install package=version |
| 11:43.35 | jacks_lt | hmm |
| 11:44.04 | arnet | But just installing is safe most of the time. |
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| 12:06.46 | jacks_lt | DocScrutinizer: thankx a lot, works like a charm! |
| 12:06.59 | jacks_lt | with new ff adapter |
| 12:07.06 | jacks_lt | :) |
| 12:07.17 | DocScrutinizer | phooooh, I'm glad to hear that :-D |
| 12:08.10 | jacks_lt | it automatically detected my keybd and even my trackpoint is working! |
| 12:08.22 | jacks_lt | it took a while, but very happy now! |
| 12:08.46 | jacks_lt | great |
| 12:09.14 | jacks_lt | an external hub just makes sure the keybd is not sucking the battery of the n900 too much, right? |
| 12:09.24 | DocScrutinizer | right |
| 12:09.45 | jacks_lt | using pk 47 btw |
| 12:09.46 | DocScrutinizer | see ~powered-hostmode though |
| 12:10.08 | DocScrutinizer | ~powered-hostmode |
| 12:10.14 | DocScrutinizer | umm |
| 12:10.18 | DocScrutinizer | ~h-e-n |
| 12:10.18 | infobot | it has been said that hostmode is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=65232, or see ~hostmode-charging |
| 12:10.29 | DocScrutinizer | ~hostmode-charging |
| 12:10.30 | infobot | hostmode-powered is probably http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=921203#post921203 |
| 12:12.54 | jacks_lt | pk 47 doesn´t seem to have the save problem with gnumeric |
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| 12:17.56 | Sicelo | \0/ jacks_lt |
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| 12:23.34 | jacks_lt | DocScrutinizer I have this external hub http://www.sweex.com/nl/assortiment/connectivity/usb-firewire-hubs/US014/ |
| 12:23.46 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, yes. And? |
| 12:25.08 | jacks_lt | any typical way to use that thing properly? |
| 12:25.28 | jacks_lt | without nuking my n900? |
| 12:25.31 | DocScrutinizer | nope, absolutely standard |
| 12:27.47 | DocScrutinizer | just keep in mind you don't want to plug in the N900 to one of the downstream ports when you want to do hostmode |
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| 12:28.40 | DocScrutinizer | not that this might nuke the device. It just caused a number of users complaining about "hub not working with h-e-n" |
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| 12:29.23 | Sicelo | for kernel downgrade, which is best: 1) to revert to stock, then install what i want, or 2) just apt-get install <kernel> :? |
| 12:29.52 | DocScrutinizer | fails to see any potential problems in 2) |
| 12:30.26 | Sicelo | ah, thanks :) |
| 12:30.39 | Sicelo | of course, i'll use BM first |
| 12:30.41 | DocScrutinizer | as long as apt-get will fetch the kernel verson you want |
| 12:31.52 | DocScrutinizer | also installing kernel via apt-get is a tad tricky I heard, as yu need to install kernel, kernel-flasher and kernel-modules in the right sequence |
| 12:32.34 | DocScrutinizer | indtalling via HAM takes care about that, but probably won't allow to downgrade |
| 12:32.43 | Sicelo | yeah, i noticed on the PK thread. but wasn't that for installing via debs? |
| 12:33.23 | DocScrutinizer | umm, sorry. It's just too long ago I last time dealt with this, can't recall exactly |
| 12:33.57 | DocScrutinizer | probably you're right, this was about dpkg -i, not about apt-get install |
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| 12:34.27 | DocScrutinizer | time for 12648430 â |
| 12:34.41 | Sicelo | :) |
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| 12:36.00 | DocScrutinizer | jacks_lt: you may check if your USB hub is one of the really "cheap broken-by-design" ones that provides 5V on upstream port |
| 12:36.04 | DocScrutinizer | cat /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-1/1-0048/twl4030_usb/vbus |
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| 12:36.37 | DocScrutinizer | 1 == hub delivers 5V (only if booston not yet started ;-D ) |
| 12:37.12 | DocScrutinizer | which would mean you could use the hub instead of a Y-cable as in ~hostmode-powered |
| 12:38.09 | Sicelo | has failed so far to charge while on h-e-n ... getting 'Shutting down USB.. NO reason' |
| 12:38.21 | DocScrutinizer | o.O |
| 12:39.22 | Sicelo | yeah, i am still going to try other setups though. but, Y-cable method works perfectly, even better than plain h-e-n |
| 12:39.25 | DocScrutinizer | err, sure. Stopping booston will "throw that error" - this doesn't mean hostmode got stopped |
| 12:39.25 | Sicelo | :) |
| 12:39.45 | Sicelo | :/ oh |
| 12:40.07 | Sicelo | i have been disconnecting soon as i got that, lol, dumb me |
| 12:40.54 | DocScrutinizer | it just informs you about N900 stopping to provide 5V by itself, which is pretty much exactly what you want it to do, for charging hostmode |
| 12:42.15 | Sicelo | thanks for the info. it makes sense :) |
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| 12:44.24 | Sicelo | btw, if i wish to use h-e-n without gui, which scripts should i run, and in what sequence? |
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| 12:46.11 | DocScrutinizer | umm, there's no script to run for that yet. You just need to do on cmdline what h-e-n GUI does when you hit the several buttons |
| 12:46.11 | jacks_lt | DocScrutinizer with hen started I get 1 otherwise 0 |
| 12:46.52 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, with h-e-n started you see the 1 which means your booston script made N900 apply 5V to USB |
| 12:47.27 | jacks_lt | so this thing is not broken by design? |
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| 12:48.22 | Sicelo | yeah DocScrutinizer. that's what i meant.. the cmdline stuff. is it somewhere on tmo? |
| 12:48.44 | DocScrutinizer | jacks_lt: seems it isn't, yep |
| 12:48.50 | jacks_lt | ok |
| 12:49.04 | jacks_lt | how to disconnect a peripheral like my keybd? |
| 12:49.23 | DocScrutinizer | and it won't allow you to charge while hostmode, without using an additional Y-cable |
| 12:49.36 | DocScrutinizer | errr, just unplug |
| 12:49.42 | jacks_lt | Y-cable hmm |
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| 12:50.23 | DocScrutinizer | errr, I guess it's on h-e-n garage homepage |
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| 12:50.50 | DocScrutinizer | I have to confess I don't exactly recall all the stepps off top of my head |
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| 12:51.11 | DocScrutinizer | Sicelo: ^^^ |
| 12:52.19 | jacks_lt | what sucks more battery, a bluetooth keybd or usb? |
| 12:53.13 | DocScrutinizer | something like "echo host-f >/sys/*/*/mode" for selecting hostmode and speed, then start booston, then "echo F > <somewhere>" for starting enum |
| 12:53.26 | DocScrutinizer | jacks_lt: clearly USB |
| 12:53.45 | DocScrutinizer | by a number of magnitudes |
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| 12:56.41 | jacks_lt | is that much? :) |
| 12:58.02 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
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| 12:59.27 | DocScrutinizer | USB, even in best case, will draw way more constantly all the time than BT might draw for peaks occasionally |
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| 13:01.21 | DocScrutinizer | hostmode alone makes OMAP3430 draw quite a lot of power for the not-so-power-optimized mentorgraphics musb-hdrc USB controller inside the SoC, even while no USB peripheral at all attached |
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| 13:12.00 | Sicelo | thanks. /me checks garage. thanks a lot |
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| 14:36.37 | vadimq | Hi :-) I'm considering the N9. Is it good? And is it as open as the N900? |
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| 14:39.46 | mgedmin | the N9 is excellent |
| 14:40.10 | mgedmin | I'm not sure how to compare openness |
| 14:40.26 | mgedmin | are you interested in the availability of source code? or your ability to control the device? |
| 14:40.45 | mgedmin | the N9 has aegis, which forbids the root user from doing all sorts of stuff, like, oh, _writing shell scripts_ |
| 14:41.24 | vadimq | hrm, that sounds like a problem. Can it be disabled? |
| 14:41.48 | mgedmin | in theory |
| 14:42.15 | mgedmin | ask in #harmattan about aegis |
| 14:42.21 | mgedmin | or on the forums |
| 14:42.52 | mgedmin | I haven't bothered; the shell script problem can be worked around by creating aliases foo = 'sh /home/user/foo' |
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| 14:43.42 | vadimq | what about stuff like loading custom kernel modules? |
| 14:44.12 | mgedmin | dunno, haven't tried |
| 14:45.03 | mgedmin | if you want to know more about aegis (and disabling it), this thread is on topic: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=4575 |
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| 14:50.25 | mgedmin | developers from nokia claim that you're allowed to flash your own kernel and do whatever you want |
| 14:50.42 | mgedmin | and I think there are people who have done that |
| 14:54.11 | mece | ...but you loose warranty by doing it. |
| 14:54.15 | mece | lose |
| 14:54.16 | vadimq | Hmm, going to wait to have a confirmation of that |
| 14:55.05 | mgedmin | so far there wasn't anything I wanted to do that aegis would prevent me from doing |
| 14:55.36 | mgedmin | if you enable developer mode, you get xterm, openssh (server + client), and you're free to install unsigned .debs from anywhere |
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| 15:03.32 | vadimq | mece: I don't really have use for it if I can't mess with it properly. Also I'm not convinced the "warranty void" is going to fly in the EU, at least for something unrelated to the software |
| 15:06.56 | mece | vadimq, well I suggest you read the thread mentioned >> mgedmin: if you want to know more about aegis (and disabling it), this thread is on topic: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=4575 |
| 15:07.33 | vadimq | reading it, yeah |
| 15:18.07 | DocScrutinizer | (<mece> ...but you loose warranty by doing it) not only warranty but also quite an arm and a leg of harmattan functions |
| 15:18.32 | mece | DocScrutinizer, mm |
| 15:19.22 | DocScrutinizer | and no, there's definitely no way to load custom kernel modules to the "normal" harmattan installation |
| 15:20.11 | vadimq | DocScrutinizer: which functions? |
| 15:20.19 | DocScrutinizer | unless you exploit holes in aegis policy, see javispedro's aegis-disabler |
| 15:20.38 | mece | DocScrutinizer, well we don't know if that works in the new firmware yet... |
| 15:20.40 | DocScrutinizer | vadimq: certs, accounts, all that "security" stuff |
| 15:21.59 | DocScrutinizer | it shows up in corners where you'd maybe never would've thought you'll run into it |
| 15:22.09 | vadimq | DocScrutinizer: what certs and accounts? |
| 15:22.31 | DocScrutinizer | all the accounts that are managed by aegis: |
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| 15:23.00 | DocScrutinizer | mail, nokia, IM, whatnot. I dunno as it annoys me too much to test it |
| 15:23.17 | DocScrutinizer | messages |
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| 15:29.01 | Arkenoi | DocScrutinizer, wow, there is aegis-disabler already? where is it? |
| 15:30.26 | DocScrutinizer | no, not really. Javispedro published a way to neuter aegis in beta1, and there's a 'custom' kernel that causes openmode, and allows to hack the kernel to neuter aegis again, on beta2 |
| 15:30.53 | Corsac | it'd have been nice to have a real summary of what aegis is and is not, what it prevents you (and malwares) to do, instead of all the FUD there is right now |
| 15:31.14 | DocScrutinizer | *sigh* |
| 15:31.36 | Arkenoi | what it does not is it does not want to go away peacefully |
| 15:31.36 | DocScrutinizer | http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=4575&page=10 |
| 15:32.09 | DocScrutinizer | not only page10 but whole thread, plus the links in there |
| 15:33.51 | vadimq | I don't get what's the point of all this stuff anyway, since it seems like it's a deadend of a platform, on a very rare phone. Not like the commercial developers are going to show up en masse |
| 15:34.06 | DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.meego.com/User:Javispedro/Activities_blocked_by_the_N9_and_N950_security_policy |
| 15:34.48 | DocScrutinizer | vadimq: tell that to the Nokia product managers |
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| 15:38.07 | Corsac | vadimq: a security systems can still be useful. I can understand it can be frustrating (and maybe I couldn't stand it either, I didn't have a chance to test it myself) but some of the stuff it prevents you to do, it'll prevent bad people/apps as well. As I understand it's really not perfect but I'm glad some people think about that |
| 15:38.47 | Corsac | (now since it's likely to be the last OS in the serie, I guess not doing it perfect means it could have been completely dropped since there won't be ameliorations) |
| 15:39.22 | Corsac | and maybe Maemo platform is not popular enough to be a real target either |
| 15:39.25 | Arkenoi | Corsac, you are totally wrong. there is a way to prevent bad people from doing things legitimate phone owner still can do |
| 15:39.33 | Arkenoi | actually a number of ways |
| 15:39.45 | Arkenoi | restricting owners right on the device should not be tolerated |
| 15:39.50 | Arkenoi | it is abomination |
| 15:40.09 | Corsac | ⦠|
| 15:40.58 | Arkenoi | and all excuses to do those truly evil things are just silly |
| 15:41.16 | Corsac | I can understand your frustration, but such hard word won't really help at making you sensible |
| 15:41.44 | DocScrutinizer | it's just true |
| 15:41.59 | ruskie | digital restrictions managament != security |
| 15:42.25 | Corsac | sure, but aegis is not only about drm, I think you really missed that |
| 15:42.39 | Corsac | and maybe it's not only your fault |
| 15:43.17 | ruskie | it is only that |
| 15:43.30 | ruskie | it doesn't prevent bad people/apps anything |
| 15:43.43 | DocScrutinizer | and aplogetic word about aegis implementation/concept won't help make it any more of a working concept. There's no way to restrict capabilities for *all* apps to avoid *one* rogue app doing nasty. Would you want to forbid sending SMS for all apps, access to your contacts for all apps? |
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| 15:44.12 | Arkenoi | Corsac, there *may* be some point in aegis (though given Harmattan "popularity" it is more a research project than anything truly useful anyway) but there can never be any point in revoking user control on it |
| 15:44.45 | DocScrutinizer | what aegis is missing is a way ala andridiot where *user* can decide on a per-app basis what's allowed and what'S not allowed |
| 15:45.12 | Corsac | hmhm, can android do that? |
| 15:45.20 | Corsac | I though you could accept/deny app install, but that's all |
| 15:45.28 | DocScrutinizer | you can not forbit *all* potentially dangerous functions for *all* apps |
| 15:45.35 | DocScrutinizer | forbid* |
| 15:45.48 | Corsac | can every app handle the fact that some permission it needs aren't given on some device? |
| 15:46.02 | DocScrutinizer | no |
| 15:46.22 | SpeedEvil | Aegis - with proper credential review and granularity of credentials would be a great plus. |
| 15:46.23 | DocScrutinizer | there's no such thing as a per-device policy |
| 15:46.46 | ruskie | a MAC setup could work if done properly |
| 15:46.51 | Corsac | DocScrutinizer: I meant, on one user device, if he deny some permission, can the app handle that? |
| 15:47.03 | SpeedEvil | If an app requests SMS capability, and there isn't any mention of SMS in the description - it's malware. |
| 15:47.04 | ruskie | but that would require the user to have control |
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| 15:47.10 | Arkenoi | SpeedEvil, for ovi store, yes. and should be either completely disabled or user-controlled for everything else |
| 15:47.11 | DocScrutinizer | there's no "he deny" |
| 15:47.32 | SpeedEvil | Arkenoi: Not only ovi store, it could be very useful for a community repository |
| 15:47.33 | Arkenoi | because nokia may have some responsibility for things that come from ovi store but definitely nothing else |
| 15:47.39 | ruskie | and of course MAC should not be possible to bypass with "internal" apps |
| 15:47.54 | Corsac | DocScrutinizer: so how can an user decide on a per-app basis what's allowed and what's not? |
| 15:48.01 | Arkenoi | SpeedEvil, (or any other repository that has proper review and QA) |
| 15:48.03 | SpeedEvil | Arkenoi: It makes it _lots_ easier to QA for nasty stuff, as you don't need to inspect source, just credentials. |
| 15:48.13 | DocScrutinizer | Corsac: he can't on harmattan/aegis |
| 15:48.20 | Corsac | DocScrutinizer: I mean on android |
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| 15:49.12 | DocScrutinizer | on andridiot user can review what the app requests for permissions and can decide to accept or deny |
| 15:49.16 | DocScrutinizer | afaik |
| 15:49.23 | DocScrutinizer | never looked into andridiot |
| 15:50.05 | DocScrutinizer | on HARM anyway OVI store decides that for you, on that subset of permissions that is available over OVI at all |
| 15:50.25 | Corsac | DocScrutinizer: ok, so, again, on android you can review what permissions an ask want, and you can accept/deny installation, that's all |
| 15:50.28 | DocScrutinizer | which is all but a comprehensive set of permissions |
| 15:50.33 | Corsac | you can't allow by permission |
| 15:50.57 | DocScrutinizer | dunno, it doesn't really matter - for HARM |
| 15:51.11 | DocScrutinizer | as aegis can't do any of that |
| 15:51.57 | Corsac | you mean you can't review permissions requested by an app? |
| 15:52.01 | DocScrutinizer | on OVI the QA decides if *you* should be able to get a SMS-sending app or not |
| 15:53.01 | DocScrutinizer | no, there's no official way for user to review permissions of an app |
| 15:53.44 | Corsac | afair the manifest is shipped in the deb package so it should be possible to check/display them at install time. Maybe that deserves a bug on HAM |
| 15:53.56 | Corsac | well, I guess it's not HAM anymore |
| 15:54.36 | DocScrutinizer | there's no such thing like HAM |
| 15:54.49 | DocScrutinizer | there's only OVI store, basically |
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| 15:56.04 | DocScrutinizer | and no way for you to ship an app that needs any permissions without it going thru OVI, or getting any permissions that are not available on OVI (that's a friggin lot still) |
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| 15:56.52 | DocScrutinizer | and once OVI is down for whatever reason - temporarily or discontinued - your N9 is basically a brick |
| 15:57.01 | ruskie | yay |
| 15:57.28 | Corsac | why so? |
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| 15:58.12 | Corsac | ovi store down wont prevent the device to work, it will prevent you installing new apps, right? |
| 15:58.15 | DocScrutinizer | as none of the app providers could opt to ship updates via alternative path |
| 15:58.32 | DocScrutinizer | yes, basically |
| 15:59.32 | DocScrutinizer | not only new apps, also updates for existing apps |
| 15:59.58 | DocScrutinizer | but that's just a nice detail on the periphery |
| 16:00.27 | DocScrutinizer | the main crux is aegis prevents any real system administration |
| 16:00.46 | DocScrutinizer | you're not owner of your own device anymore |
| 16:01.47 | DocScrutinizer | well, not owner of the OS called harmattan. Sure meanwhile you can install alternative OS, like meegoCE. But you can't administrate your own device with stock OS aka harmattan |
| 16:02.09 | ErwinJunge | DocScrutinizer: You should write a program to count how many words you spend talking about aegis on IRC, should be quite a lot by now :) |
| 16:02.29 | DocScrutinizer | you got no idea ;-D |
| 16:03.11 | DocScrutinizer | but I guess my words about OC are still >> words on aegis |
| 16:04.55 | ErwinJunge | Aren't your words about OC just a link to the same presentation slide every single time? ;) |
| 16:05.16 | vadimq | What's OC? |
| 16:05.18 | DocScrutinizer | pfff, citation needed |
| 16:05.33 | DocScrutinizer | ~opap-oc |
| 16:05.38 | DocScrutinizer | ~omap-oc |
| 16:05.38 | infobot | somebody said omap-oc was http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-08-01.log.html#t2010-08-01T22:16:05 read that!, or and this http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2011-03-11.log.html#t2011-03-11T03:04:11 |
| 16:06.01 | DocScrutinizer | ~oc |
| 16:06.02 | infobot | somebody said oc was an Optical Carrier, An OC1 has 672 channels or 44.736 Mbit/s |
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| 16:06.06 | DocScrutinizer | haha |
| 16:06.15 | DocScrutinizer | OvrClocking the CPU |
| 16:08.05 | vadimq | I agree with DocScrutinizer here. It's quite unfortunate that it doesn't seem to get much better anywhere else. I looked a bit at Android, but the more I look at it, the less I like it |
| 16:08.14 | vadimq | hopefully somebody will rip all that nonsense out |
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| 16:16.16 | vadimq | does meegoCE make phone calls and have maps? |
| 16:17.10 | wmarone__ | calls yes, maps not inherently |
| 16:17.11 | DocScrutinizer | ErwinJunge: if you're interested in a bit more elaborate rant about OC than just "a ever-same link to a slide" you may like this thread: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=79018 |
| 16:19.17 | vadimq | wmarone__: I mean, I don't care if it's the Nokia sort or not, so long it's something usable. I don't particularly like the maps app on the N900 |
| 16:20.10 | mgedmin | the maps app on the n9 is much better |
| 16:20.18 | mgedmin | and the drive app on the n9 is excellent |
| 16:20.43 | mgedmin | the only irritating things about them are slow startup time and the requirement to have an Ovi account |
| 16:21.59 | vadimq | any good third party ones? |
| 16:22.07 | mgedmin | haven't looked |
| 16:22.15 | mgedmin | I loved maep on the n900 |
| 16:22.33 | mgedmin | 3rd party apps on the n9 are a bit scarce for now |
| 16:23.26 | DocScrutinizer | (requirement to have an Ovi account) which again makes it questionable if and how long the apps will function on a system that's aegis-neutered |
| 16:23.35 | vadimq | If I get this thing, I'll probably remove the aegis thing soon enough, and the discussion above seems to imply most Nokia stuff will stop working. So I guess I'll have to install something else, or figure out a way to denokify the phone |
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| 16:25.36 | vadimq | At first I pondered removing all the Google stuff from Android, but that doesn't seem practical. And their userland looks very annoying too |
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| 16:26.52 | mgedmin | wants to know what vadimq would be trying to remove from an OpenMoko phone :) |
| 16:27.27 | vadimq | probably nothing, but last I heard it wasn't very usable, or I'd definitely have one |
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| 16:27.54 | DocScrutinizer | well, I for one am using a N900 |
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| 16:28.15 | DocScrutinizer | not one of the ~12 OM devices in my shelf |
| 16:29.16 | vadimq | Yeah, I was pondering to get an OpenMoko one anyway, when I heard about the N900 and that looked just awesome. And still is, except for the lack of RAM and the "stale NFS handle" stuff |
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| 16:35.53 | DocScrutinizer | stale NFS handle? are you using mass storage mode frequently? |
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| 16:38.29 | vadimq | DocScrutinizer: not very. And it happens on the /home FS, which isn't what gets mounted |
| 16:38.47 | DocScrutinizer | :nod: |
| 16:38.51 | DocScrutinizer | strange |
| 16:39.04 | vadimq | it seems like the cause is removing the battery while on, or letting it run out of battery |
| 16:39.18 | woldrich | skimmed through your discussion, so the n9 is as useless as it looks? |
| 16:40.05 | vadimq | maybe I have a battery calibration issue and it doesn't shut down gracefully. The way I understand it, the mmc storage doesn't cooperate with the filesystem's attempt to maintain consistency |
| 16:40.05 | woldrich | what's that ovi crap. no one is or wants to use it |
| 16:40.36 | vadimq | I have no clue, I don't have a single package from ovi on my n900 |
| 16:40.44 | woldrich | me neither. |
| 16:42.14 | woldrich | I want another n900, with more ram, a bit faster, and a saner keyboard layout, and then it'd be awesome |
| 16:43.38 | vadimq | that's the n950 I think, but it doesn't seem to be on sale |
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| 16:44.54 | vadimq | BBL |
| 16:45.20 | woldrich | :( |
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| 17:44.00 | hakkattakk | hi! Is it possible to sync this in calendar? http://crille.org/schema.php?klass=TGNIT-H10- |
| 17:44.15 | hakkattakk | I can´t find a way to do it |
| 17:45.45 | hakkattakk | I have a n900 |
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| 17:54.57 | hakkattakk | nvm |
| 18:00.33 | ErwinJunge | DocScrutinizer: Interesting thread on OC there, thanks for the clear EM explanation :) |
| 18:01.02 | DocScrutinizer | yw |
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| 18:25.45 | freemangordon | :D |
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| 20:01.35 | user00 | hi. |
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| 20:05.26 | user00 | so any n900 owners that use meego or nitdroid as a replacement for maemo ? |
| 20:05.46 | user00 | are these projects mature enough? |
| 20:06.08 | user00 | worth the time? what extras to you get buy using these OSs ? |
| 20:06.34 | piggz | lo devs...is it possible in QML to have an Audio element playing and a SoundEffect playing at the same time?? |
| 20:07.04 | user00 | by* |
| 20:08.13 | user00 | piggz, possible to answer my question ? |
| 20:08.54 | piggz | user00: i have used meego-ce, but not nitroid on my n900 |
| 20:09.31 | user00 | piggz : any good apps for it? |
| 20:09.41 | piggz | user00: meego-ce is ok...a bit slower than maemo, but some good work is being done on it...it is even binary compatible with n9 |
| 20:10.12 | piggz | probably not as many apps as on maemo |
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| 20:11.08 | user00 | hmm |
| 20:11.20 | user00 | i assume many apps would run slowwer on the n900 |
| 20:11.40 | piggz | why? |
| 20:11.58 | user00 | nice that you could run binaries compiled for n9 |
| 20:12.30 | user00 | well, the n9 has "1GHz Cortex A8 CPU, PowerVR SGX530 GPU, TI OMAP 3630 chipset" |
| 20:12.35 | user00 | and 1gb of ram |
| 20:12.59 | user00 | apps that depend on such specs will not run as fast on the n900 |
| 20:13.21 | piggz | no |
| 20:14.35 | user00 | please prove otherwise |
| 20:14.44 | user00 | seems logical to me |
| 20:15.44 | piggz | i mean, i agree with you |
| 20:15.58 | rd | Does anybody know, if XEP-0080 is still working on the n900 with azimuth? |
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| 23:30.42 | luojie-dune | Sucessfully run Alchemy on N900 via OpenJDK! WoW. |
| 23:31.24 | luojie-dune | http://al.chemy.org to download Linux build. and run directly on N900 |
| 23:31.42 | luojie-dune | Space call menu. and set fullscreen |
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