| 00:02.27 | DocScrutinizer | or green on black ;-P |
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| 00:39.27 | HyperSnyper | bindi > i was looking it "Alarmed" few days aago seems to be a GUI for adding commands/scripts to the n900 alarm function |
| 00:39.38 | HyperSnyper | not actually tried it myself though.. |
| 00:40.55 | bindi | let's see |
| 00:41.40 | HyperSnyper | or there's Fcron > http://wiki.maemo.org/Fcron |
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| 00:42.33 | bindi | alarmed seems better :p |
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| 01:02.25 | nox- | well just ask you q |
| 01:02.31 | nox- | your even |
| 01:03.00 | bindi | i wonder if it's possible to take pictures with the front camera and upload them on demand |
| 01:03.09 | bindi | with a script that is |
| 01:03.44 | bindi | or rather |
| 01:03.53 | bindi | how to take pictures with the front camera using terminal? :p |
| 01:10.07 | HyperSnyper | bindi > http://pastebin.com/tWpapQCB |
| 01:10.14 | HyperSnyper | i've not tested that myself either |
| 01:10.15 | HyperSnyper | :P |
| 01:10.47 | HyperSnyper | taken from a tutorial called "Finding Your Phone, the Linux Way" |
| 01:13.29 | bindi | seems to work |
| 01:13.34 | bindi | really bad image quality |
| 01:13.43 | HyperSnyper | front camera is really bad |
| 01:13.44 | bindi | can't blame it :P |
| 01:13.45 | bindi | yeah |
| 01:14.16 | bindi | i'm bored so i now have a webpage where i can see my phones location, updated every 1 hour |
| 01:14.23 | bindi | not google latitude but uses google maps :p |
| 01:14.34 | bindi | and the ip of the phone is updated there each time it's connected |
| 01:14.38 | bindi | so i can ssh in :D |
| 01:16.08 | HyperSnyper | i use reverse tunnel out with ssh |
| 01:16.33 | HyperSnyper | saves needing open port on phone connection |
| 01:16.49 | bindi | got all ports open with 3G |
| 01:17.22 | HyperSnyper | fair enough |
| 01:17.30 | HyperSnyper | everyone has their own uses |
| 01:17.32 | HyperSnyper | ;P |
| 01:19.03 | bindi | hmm |
| 01:19.06 | bindi | chmod +x cam.sh |
| 01:19.11 | bindi | -rw-r--r-- 1 user root 142 Oct 18 04:18 cam.sh |
| 01:19.14 | bindi | why you no work? :-( |
| 01:19.31 | bindi | logged in as root |
| 01:21.25 | bindi | meh |
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| 06:02.25 | dreamer | just stumbled on this page: http://wiki.maemo.org/Easy_Debian#complete_dist-upgrade_to_Squeeze |
| 06:02.36 | dreamer | and didn't realize the rebooting was because of the watchdog hehe |
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| 08:38.58 | dreamer | uhg, I followed this guide to upgrade easydebian: http://wiki.maemo.org/Easy_Debian#complete_dist-upgrade_to_Squeeze << but still meamo reboots near the end of the upgrade |
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| 08:42.13 | crashanddie | dreamer, sorry, are you looking for help? |
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| 08:44.19 | dreamer | crashanddie: well, I'd like to upgrade my easydebian so I can try this package: http://enchevetres.org/doku.php?id=tek:puredata |
| 08:45.33 | crashanddie | Then ask a question |
| 08:45.44 | crashanddie | because for the past 2 hours, you've been saying random stuff |
| 08:46.51 | dreamer | "how do I upgrade easydebian to squeeze without it rebooting maemo or failing horribly?" |
| 08:47.34 | dreamer | and with "the past 2 hours" you mean "that one sentence" ? |
| 08:47.56 | dreamer | oh wait, i said some remarks earlier, n/m :P |
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| 09:12.39 | Sicelo | dreamer: can u use the blue keys on your easydebian? |
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| 09:42.11 | dreamer | Sicelo: I can't even start it now. the upgrade failed |
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| 09:43.12 | dreamer | I can get into the deb-chroot though. |
| 09:43.25 | Sicelo | sad. well, i never can use them, eg brackets. |
| 09:43.44 | dreamer | afaik they did work, which image did you use? |
| 09:44.33 | Sicelo | debian-m5-v3e.img.ext2.lzma |
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| 09:49.11 | dreamer | Sicelo: ok, same. afaik they worked with that image. but anyway. it's pretty much useless to me. I just wanted to try pd-extended. but if I can't upgrade fully to squeeze -_- |
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| 09:56.20 | Sicelo | i notice the page talks about gconf issues.. wonder if that's nt wherer your issue comes from |
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| 10:06.54 | dreamer | Sicelo: which page? |
| 10:08.09 | dreamer | ah: "Therefore, it is recommended that for the moment you simply use the image as is." |
| 10:08.19 | dreamer | meh. I'll remove it and never look back <_< |
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| 10:25.48 | jave | is there no way to hack the n900 firmware so that it always charges maximum from the usb port? |
| 10:25.59 | SpeedEvil | no. |
| 10:26.05 | jave | aaargh |
| 10:26.12 | SpeedEvil | (in other words, you can do that. |
| 10:26.42 | jave | as it is now im ready to stomp on it until it shatters |
| 10:27.05 | jave | any hints apreciated |
| 10:27.06 | SpeedEvil | I'm unsure if anyone has released a script to enable it - what's your issue? |
| 10:27.59 | jave | its simply too picky. I can never charge it properly. I just want to disable all firmware safeguards and always charge it |
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| 10:29.24 | jave | if the computer burns thats less annoying than the current situation |
| 10:33.19 | SpeedEvil | I have a script that does this, but it's broken, and sometimes requires a reboot after charge to get it to charge again normally. |
| 10:33.47 | jave | cool. can I have it? |
| 10:37.37 | SpeedEvil | There is an alternative possibly easier way - if you have a spare USB extension cable you're willing to mod. |
| 10:38.51 | jave | well I have a chorging cable that has shorted data connectors but charging is still flaky |
| 10:39.30 | SpeedEvil | Are you sure it's not the USB socket being dodgy? |
| 10:40.26 | jave | possibly. but its hard to tell. I can access the device as data device |
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| 10:40.56 | jave | whun i use a nermal data cable n900 says "too little power" |
| 10:41.16 | jave | when i use my charging cable it sometimes charges sometimes doesnt |
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| 10:42.55 | jave | it can also be that charging negotiation on the host is broken |
| 10:44.01 | markinfo | if i want to use my nokia n900 to connect in windows 7 to provider data account - is it necessary to install there Nokia PC suite? There was detected and installed Modem on com3. I am trying to conect over that with the same parameters as in n900 - but no success. Or is it necessary to allow it this in nokia n900 first? |
| 10:44.07 | SpeedEvil | When you use a normal cable plugged into a motherboard port, not through a hub, it says too little power? |
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| 10:44.36 | SpeedEvil | markinfo: you need to select 'pc suite' mode when you plug in USB |
| 10:45.31 | markinfo | SpeedEvil, that is all? Should i connect fist in n900 to provider data account - or it can be done in windows? |
| 10:45.45 | SpeedEvil | jave: http://www.mauve.plus.com/t/bmelite - this is a somewhat broken script that when run will stop BME, and display the flashing LED to indicate charging, while turning the charger on. It then when the charger says it's turned off stops charging, and restarts BME. |
| 10:46.11 | jave | SpeedEvil: yes normal cable laptop motherboard no hub, n900 says "too little power". both laptops i tested had special high power ports |
| 10:46.12 | SpeedEvil | jave: At least here, BME does not properly restart, and is in a confused state requiring a reboot. I do not know why as I haven't investigated enough. |
| 10:47.42 | jave | SpeedEvil: cool, thanks! it cant get any worse... |
| 10:49.12 | markinfo | it is asking for "call number" But provider gives nothing like that. Is this equivalent to "APN: bob.at" ? |
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| 10:49.52 | Sicelo | number is *99# |
| 10:54.42 | Sicelo | i have PK47, and would like to upgrade to PK48. what is best way to do that? |
| 10:55.01 | markinfo | hm - it stops now on "Computer is going to be registerred in network " ...there is no signalization on Nokia n900 if the modem is accessed over PC (over pc suite)? |
| 10:56.13 | Sicelo | markinfo, u also need initialization string in your modem options, which contains the APN info. i dont remember from the top of my head where it is under windows |
| 10:57.43 | DocScrutinizer | jave: all that sounds pretty much like messed up rootfs on N900, maybe even in conjunction with some hw problems (worn out battery, dodgy USB receptacle) |
| 10:58.40 | jave | DocScrutinizer: messed up rootfs? |
| 10:58.50 | DocScrutinizer | yup |
| 10:59.01 | DocScrutinizer | sth e.g. keeping CPU busy |
| 10:59.04 | jave | i bought a new battery so that should be okay anyway |
| 10:59.37 | jave | oh okay. ill have to look at processet then i suppose |
| 11:00.45 | jave | pity I cant just buy a n950 as a replacement |
| 11:00.51 | DocScrutinizer | first analytic approach: run bq27200.sh 5|tee -a mybatcharge.log, then after 2 minutes plug in USB and let "charge" |
| 11:01.47 | DocScrutinizer | then come here to get the mybatcharge.log analyzed |
| 11:02.38 | jave | thanks. I cant get it to power at all now so I need to get a separate battery charger or something to begin with. |
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| 11:25.03 | markinfo | Sicelo, nice with that initialisation string +CGDCONT =1,"IP","bob.at" an call number *99# it works. Speed over GSM provider: 4.5Mbps down/0.5Mbps upload. |
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| 11:28.02 | Sicelo | ;) |
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| 11:35.04 | Sicelo | so, do i need to uninstall PK47 first before installing PK48? HAM refuses to install PK48. i can apt-get, but want to be sure first |
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| 11:48.17 | robbiethe1st | Sicelo, no you don't. |
| 11:48.42 | robbiethe1st | Remember, the flasher package will end up flashing the kernel to the kernel partition; so long as that happens you'll be fine |
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| 11:50.26 | Sicelo | thanks robbiethe1st. guess i should apt-get then, as i don't see how to do it via HAM. i get "Conflict with application packages: Linux kernel for power users ... power47" |
| 11:50.48 | robbiethe1st | I always use apt-get myself, so... |
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| 11:56.26 | jave | hey, I violated a data usb cable into a charging cable; now I can charge! I couldnt with my readymade charging cable |
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| 11:59.47 | cehteh | heh i did too .. too bad i was to lazy to buy a switch to toggle between data/charge |
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| 12:03.55 | Sicelo | done. thanks robbiethe1st |
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| 12:23.08 | asktoby | How do I discern which version of fremantle I am running on my n900? |
| 12:23.26 | SpeedEvil | settings -> about product |
| 12:23.58 | SpeedEvil | 20.2010 = PR1.3 |
| 12:24.33 | asktoby | 20.2010.36-2.203.1 it says. Fab, thanks. |
| 12:26.13 | asktoby | What are people using for calendars on their n900? I've tried the stock one and gpe-calendar so far. |
| 12:26.37 | SpeedEvil | Stock. |
| 12:26.42 | SpeedEvil | But I have about 3 events on it. |
| 12:26.49 | SpeedEvil | So I'm not the most demanding of users. |
| 12:26.53 | asktoby | :) |
| 12:30.15 | edheldil | I am missing iCal intergration :( |
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| 12:31.23 | markinfo | and now - how to connect to DAta account of my phone provider from debian desktop? |
| 12:31.42 | markinfo | is it here? http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_USB_networking |
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| 12:39.01 | jacekowski | no |
| 12:39.07 | jacekowski | use pcsuite mode |
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| 12:39.14 | jacekowski | and that willl present n900 as modem to your pc |
| 12:39.29 | jacekowski | and from there it's just like with any other modem |
| 12:39.34 | jacekowski | wvdial is easy option |
| 12:40.05 | jacekowski | edheldil: exchange integration is there |
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| 12:40.42 | asktoby | edheldil: This is why I'm going to try Meego today - hopefully find a better calendar there... |
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| 12:47.05 | aleeepc | hello |
| 12:47.16 | aleeepc | can someone tell me where's the config file of wlan settings? :D |
| 12:47.20 | aleeepc | *anyone |
| 12:48.06 | DocScrutinizer | wlan "settings" are mostly stored in gconf |
| 12:48.40 | DocScrutinizer | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=68063 |
| 12:49.51 | DocScrutinizer | so: gconftool-2 -R /system/osso/connectivity/IAP |
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| 12:50.09 | DocScrutinizer | aleeepc: ^^^ |
| 12:50.12 | aleeepc | thx :D |
| 12:51.18 | edheldil | jacekowski: I have only ics files exported through webdav, no MSEX or whole cal server. Or ical? Whatever |
| 12:53.41 | aleeepc | DocScrutinizer, can I use the same gconftool with kubuntu? :D |
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| 12:54.27 | DocScrutinizer | aleeepc: err, sure. but of course not to get the wlan config same way |
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| 12:56.07 | DocScrutinizer | aleeepc: on buntkuh there's most likely no /system/osso/connectivity/IAP key in gconf database, as there's no osso-* under that OS |
| 12:56.35 | aleeepc | ok :) |
| 12:57.46 | DocScrutinizer | aleeepc: your question is similar to: "A: use > more d:\path\to\file Q: can I use more on win7 too?" |
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| 13:07.24 | edheldil | Anyone here knows how to set volume of phonon's audioOutput? |
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| 13:19.14 | DocScrutinizer | phonon, bah |
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| 13:27.22 | crashanddie | wow, ##linux is fucking lame |
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| 13:27.58 | crashanddie | You ask people "Why do I see a load of 15-40 on a quad core server, running roughly 150 processes, when CPU utilisation is only 15%?" |
| 13:28.24 | crashanddie | and the only thing they can rant about is IO, IO, IO!LOLWTFOMFGSTFUBBQ!!eleven. |
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| 13:42.17 | edheldil | crashanddie: well, it's the first thing I would think of as well ... |
| 13:43.06 | edheldil | DocScrutinizer: I still think it would be ideal for me if the setVolume() worked |
| 13:43.47 | edheldil | I mean "ideal solution" |
| 13:44.52 | DocScrutinizer | well, I got a deja-vu |
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| 13:45.23 | DocScrutinizer | and to save other users from having a deja-vu as well, I'm not going to repeat my rant |
| 13:46.04 | DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: "load" has a very strange unit actually |
| 13:46.18 | crashanddie | edheldil, think about it, sure. Even a kid knows that if a boat isn't moving, you should check if the anchor is still down. This doesn't mean when I said for 8th time "No, io is at under 0.3%", people should keep asking about it. |
| 13:46.20 | DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: and doesn't scale too well on multicore |
| 13:47.08 | crashanddie | actually, it scales fine with multicore. There's two ways of looking at it: running queue / coreCount = x. If x is > to 1, you've got a problem (we run realtime software!) |
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| 13:49.06 | edheldil | iowait is under 0.3%? Also, I suppose you have got enough mem (I am not sure if paging gets totaled to iowait) |
| 13:49.14 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, I cloudy recall SpeedEvil and ShadowJK(?) elaborating here in this chan about true meaning of load values, quite some time ago |
| 13:49.46 | crashanddie | yes, iowait is hovering around 0.3%. These are servers with 16, 32 or 128GB of RAM. |
| 13:49.56 | edheldil | Anything more elaborated than "averaged number of processes in run queue" ? |
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| 13:50.12 | DocScrutinizer | all I memorized about load is that it's all but intuitive a value |
| 13:50.14 | crashanddie | so we just load everything into memory and don't need io anymore (except for network) |
| 13:50.48 | SpeedEvil | Load ca be meaningless - I've had a load of 400 on a (responsive) machine. |
| 13:50.51 | crashanddie | basically what it means is: on a single core CPU, a load of 1 means that it was used 100% in the last unit of time. |
| 13:50.54 | edheldil | crashanddie: check where the processes wait with ps alw |
| 13:50.58 | edheldil | axlw |
| 13:51.02 | SpeedEvil | ^singlecore |
| 13:51.27 | SpeedEvil | As there were a few hundred tasks waiting on the network. (and each completing after a few seconds) |
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| 13:52.08 | crashanddie | wait, load can include sleeping apps that wait for network IO? |
| 13:52.20 | DocScrutinizer | lol, that's "nice" |
| 13:52.24 | crashanddie | that doesn't make any sense, and I've never heard of that. |
| 13:52.35 | crashanddie | (doesn't mean it's not true) |
| 13:53.01 | DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: see what I meant by "strange unit"? |
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| 13:55.40 | crashanddie | holy crap |
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| 13:59.15 | crashanddie | well, no. |
| 13:59.28 | DocScrutinizer | man 5 proc|less +'/loadavg' |
| 13:59.33 | DocScrutinizer | FWIW |
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| 14:00.22 | crashanddie | aye, and I've got no process in D |
| 14:00.30 | crashanddie | none whatsoever |
| 14:01.26 | edheldil | so what state are the processes in? R? |
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| 14:01.43 | crashanddie | when I look at ps -Al, they're in S |
| 14:02.08 | crashanddie | but there's a few hundred of those, and most (if not all) get woken up once every second, some every 20ms. |
| 14:03.26 | crashanddie | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:04.38 | crashanddie | top - 16:04:28 up 136 days, 22:12, 2 users, load average: 16.92, 11.57, 12.60 |
| 14:04.38 | crashanddie | Tasks: 265 total, 27 running, 238 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie |
| 14:04.39 | crashanddie | Cpu0 : 17.5%us, 0.7%sy, 0.0%ni, 81.5%id, 0.3%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.0%si, 0.0%st |
| 14:04.39 | crashanddie | Cpu1 : 16.6%us, 0.7%sy, 0.0%ni, 81.1%id, 0.0%wa, 0.3%hi, 1.3%si, 0.0%st |
| 14:04.39 | crashanddie | Cpu2 : 17.3%us, 0.7%sy, 0.0%ni, 80.3%id, 1.7%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.0%si, 0.0%st |
| 14:04.39 | crashanddie | Cpu3 : 16.9%us, 0.7%sy, 0.0%ni, 81.4%id, 0.0%wa, 0.3%hi, 0.7%si, 0.0%st |
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| 14:06.04 | DocScrutinizer | doesn't exactly mean a thing regarding load values |
| 14:06.52 | crashanddie | well it does, because it means that the running queue takes over a single time unit to complete (and apparently, nearly 4 units of time to complete), all the while our CPUs are doing apparently fuck all |
| 14:08.09 | DocScrutinizer | according to man 5 proc|less +'/loadavg' the processes waiting for disk IO are counted in to load >> |
| 14:08.10 | DocScrutinizer | the number of jobs in the run queue (state R) or waiting for disk I/O (state D)<< - how can you tell how many are in state D when kernel evaluated /proc/loadavg? |
| 14:08.32 | crashanddie | because I never see a single D? |
| 14:09.07 | DocScrutinizer | largely depends on you viewer job's prio and scheduler policy, I guess |
| 14:09.11 | crashanddie | while [ true ] ; do ps -Al | grep D | grep -v WCHAN; done |
| 14:10.29 | crashanddie | yes, but how the hell am I supposed to analyse anything if any tool I use doesn't have the right prio or whatever? |
| 14:10.30 | edheldil | could it be caused by multitude of processes waking up at the same time? |
| 14:10.45 | DocScrutinizer | ioscheduler is another quite complex critter, and it might be not so well defined how it interacts with task scheduler and what /proc/loadavg knows about all that stuff |
| 14:11.07 | crashanddie | might be, edheldil, though one of the most recent patches I included enabled processes to wake up at different time intervals |
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| 14:14.42 | edheldil | _perhaps_ if they wake up at the same time with some high prio, they have to wait for timeslice, increasing the loadavg, but because of the high prio you don't see anything running with a tool running with a lower prio. But I am not a scheduling guru by any means |
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| 14:15.54 | DocScrutinizer | to me the PU values as of top are more honest than the load figures |
| 14:16.01 | DocScrutinizer | dang |
| 14:16.07 | DocScrutinizer | to me the %CPU values as of top are more honest than the load figures |
| 14:17.02 | DocScrutinizer | edheldil: makes quite a bit of sense though |
| 14:17.44 | DocScrutinizer | I may add that due to the way ioscheduler works they may still wake up same moment, regardless of any timers and how they are set |
| 14:18.12 | luke-jr | yay N900 won't boot -.-;; |
| 14:18.25 | DocScrutinizer | now that's any new? |
| 14:18.36 | luke-jr | apparently upgrading kernel-power is a bad idea |
| 14:18.58 | DocScrutinizer | I'd not be surprised, yes |
| 14:19.51 | luke-jr | unfortunately, the old one is full of issues |
| 14:19.53 | DocScrutinizer | according to posts on tmo I referred to here just as recently as yesterday eve, it seems 49 isn't all that stable |
| 14:20.04 | luke-jr | well, extras-devel just took me to 48 |
| 14:20.07 | edheldil | btw, what are the processes waiting on, crashanddie? |
| 14:20.11 | DocScrutinizer | ouch!!! |
| 14:20.21 | DocScrutinizer | 48 is definitely borked and DANGEROUS |
| 14:20.27 | luke-jr | is there ANY stable kernel for Maemo? -.- |
| 14:20.33 | DocScrutinizer | haha |
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| 14:21.01 | Sicelo | 0_0 |
| 14:21.41 | mece | hmm I wonder which kernel I use... |
| 14:21.47 | mece | I thought it was 48 |
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| 14:21.52 | mece | seems to work fine. |
| 14:22.03 | Sicelo | well, i just upgraded to 48 from 47 luke-jr, and didn't have a problem |
| 14:22.06 | SpeedEvil | crashanddie: I'm not sure of the exact reason - I was running hundreds of dig hostname's at once. Looking at [a-z]+.com |
| 14:22.14 | Sicelo | but, DocScrutinizer is worrying me :s |
| 14:22.18 | DocScrutinizer | mece: ol'known nasty I2C-nonlock bug |
| 14:22.29 | mece | no idea what that means. |
| 14:22.56 | mece | regardless, it seems to work fine. |
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| 14:23.07 | DocScrutinizer | it means your I2C bus might get raped so badly that your PMU will fry the CPU |
| 14:23.08 | luke-jr | I had 46 before I think |
| 14:23.32 | mece | sounds like fun. |
| 14:23.48 | DocScrutinizer | mece: and that's an effect you won't notice reproducably and also it may do harm to hw you notice later only |
| 14:24.05 | Sicelo | oh gosh |
| 14:24.15 | mece | DocScrutinizer, ow |
| 14:24.30 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: meaning what? |
| 14:24.49 | DocScrutinizer | and random lockups, reboots, failures in arbitrary peripheral sensors/actors will not indicate directly that they were cause by I2C bug |
| 14:25.20 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: in 48 they introduced a patch that alllows concurrent access to I2C *serial* bus |
| 14:25.39 | DocScrutinizer | so interleaving bulk access may fail terribly |
| 14:25.46 | mece | what uses that? |
| 14:25.52 | DocScrutinizer | everything |
| 14:25.58 | mece | fun tiems. |
| 14:26.05 | luke-jr | … |
| 14:26.30 | DocScrutinizer | it's just a matter of luck when you run into the race of 2 processes trying to access I2C concurrently |
| 14:26.35 | luke-jr | well I can't even boot atm |
| 14:26.41 | mece | I've had no lockups, reboots or failures tho, so not really sure what to think. Perhaps I don't have 48. I don't remember. |
| 14:26.52 | luke-jr | lol |
| 14:27.17 | DocScrutinizer | that may *for example* be caused by access to twl4030 got messed and you need to remove battery for quite a time to reset it |
| 14:27.22 | Sicelo | so this patch, is it possible to disable it :/ |
| 14:27.38 | DocScrutinizer | it allegedly is, in 49 |
| 14:27.43 | mece | ok then. |
| 14:27.54 | DocScrutinizer | 49 seems to have other, or related, issues though |
| 14:27.54 | mece | when was 49 released? |
| 14:28.37 | mece | typical |
| 14:28.47 | luke-jr | note to self: this is bad logic: "well, everyone else runs extras-devel, so it must be stable enough" |
| 14:29.04 | Sicelo | i think 49 is unstable yet, not released. afaik it's not on repos either |
| 14:29.45 | Sicelo | wonders if he should revert ... having no real need for any PK except to use h-e-n |
| 14:29.54 | luke-jr | wtf is h-e-n |
| 14:30.11 | DocScrutinizer | please check for yourself, the pk-49 tmo thread is a bit long, and post #1 gets frequently updated but doesn't show edit dates or history |
| 14:30.25 | DocScrutinizer | ~h-e-n |
| 14:30.25 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, hostmode is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=65232, or see ~hostmode-charging |
| 14:30.46 | DocScrutinizer | afk, ttyl |
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| 14:32.33 | DocScrutinizer | (tmo thread) as said above, check your backscroll of this chan, I posted a few relevant links yesterday |
| 14:34.09 | crashanddie | edheldil, it depends on the processes. We have proxy processes that handle SIP data, and HTTP data, and then we have voip processes that handle RTP data (and RTCP/RTSP etc) |
| 14:34.48 | crashanddie | Those represent roughly 30 processes, the rest are statistics and queue processes which aren't really waiting for anything. They just wake up every second and handle whatever they have to handle |
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| 14:35.49 | edheldil | so the main bunch waits in select() or some such? I am out of ideas, though |
| 14:36.23 | luke-jr | this is NOT cool -.- |
| 14:36.23 | crashanddie | well, poll() or select(), yeah. |
| 14:36.37 | luke-jr | I don't need a N900-brick right before I leave for a 10 day vacation with nothing else |
| 14:36.40 | DocScrutinizer | maybe they all wake on same x.0000000 seconds timer, and then a lot of them wait for disk IO to store their findings about statistics? |
| 14:36.43 | edheldil | poll() is spinning the cpus, no? |
| 14:36.55 | crashanddie | barely |
| 14:37.51 | DocScrutinizer | afaik poll() actually doesn't really what we'd call polling |
| 14:38.05 | Sicelo | thinks he'll definitely revert. i shan't be getting an n900 soon :P |
| 14:38.36 | luke-jr | help :< |
| 14:39.30 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: try coldflashing if nothing else helps |
| 14:40.01 | Jartza | yeah. thought so, nokia service wants to replace my n900 with e7 :( |
| 14:40.11 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: and lose all my data? |
| 14:40.24 | Jartza | but I don't want no f**king symbian |
| 14:40.43 | mece | Jartza, ask for an N9 :) |
| 14:40.44 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: ok pal! keep your data... on a brick |
| 14:40.46 | luke-jr | what I don't get is why the boot menu went away :/ |
| 14:40.54 | crashanddie | how long has Nokia been replacing N900's with e-somethings? Why do people keep sending them in, hoping for another outcome? |
| 14:41.02 | mece | luke-jr, you could try to flash kernel only |
| 14:41.12 | luke-jr | mece: I'm trying to load kernel only |
| 14:41.18 | mece | ah |
| 14:41.19 | mece | ok |
| 14:41.23 | luke-jr | I'm guessing power48 removed all my other kernels' modules -.- |
| 14:41.24 | timeless | chuckles |
| 14:41.29 | luke-jr | but then again, *why won't the bootmenu show*? |
| 14:41.45 | mece | hey timeless, what's up? |
| 14:42.07 | timeless | not much, i'm letting one of my computers update, it hasn't been on since august and needs to update :) |
| 14:42.31 | jonwil | Windows? |
| 14:42.44 | luke-jr | jacekowski: ping |
| 14:42.46 | timeless | yeah, the ideapad from dublin |
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| 14:42.58 | timeless | jonwil: but note that if it were running ubuntu, it'd have gotten an update offer too :) |
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| 14:43.12 | cityLights | any news about n9 release? |
| 14:43.14 | timeless | if it were running meego, it probably wouldn't have, but more because that project got itself into a mess :) |
| 14:43.25 | jonwil | If it was Gentoo, you would be in a heap of trouble |
| 14:43.32 | timeless | heh |
| 14:43.43 | Jartza | mece: like they would do so :D |
| 14:43.45 | jonwil | Leaving a Gentoo box un-updated for more than 2 weeks tops is asking for disaster |
| 14:43.58 | cityLights | jonwil: dont trash gentoo, I use it |
| 14:44.05 | jonwil | I use i |
| 14:44.05 | DocScrutinizer | (<luke-jr> I'm guessing power48 removed all my other kernels' modules -.-) fair assumption - that 's why you frequently need to flash rootfs together with kernel |
| 14:44.07 | jonwil | it |
| 14:44.09 | timeless | interesting, are there stories i can read online about it? |
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| 14:44.23 | jonwil | and I am speaking from experience |
| 14:44.30 | jonwil | when I say that frequent updating is essential |
| 14:44.40 | Jartza | I ditched EPOC like 15 years ago or so, and I'm not going back there :) |
| 14:44.43 | cityLights | well.... you do have a point there... |
| 14:45.00 | timeless | jonwil: oh, i believe you |
| 14:45.06 | timeless | but i prefer to read dead tree editions :) |
| 14:45.14 | cityLights | so, is there any n9 news I missed? |
| 14:45.44 | luke-jr | Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init! |
| 14:45.46 | luke-jr | any ideas? |
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| 14:46.32 | DocScrutinizer | (*why won't the bootmenu show*?) maybe because kernel oopses or panics before bootmenu got a chance to show up - mind that bootmenu is a userland thing called by /sbin/preinit |
| 14:46.55 | timmyt | Ive installed kernel power, and now camera doesn't work |
| 14:47.03 | DocScrutinizer | *sigh* |
| 14:47.29 | DocScrutinizer | RTFM^HTMOTHREAD |
| 14:47.58 | DocScrutinizer | or read backscroll of this chan, search string "fcam" |
| 14:48.34 | timmyt | Anybody hear me? |
| 14:48.39 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: bootmenu doesn't need kernel modules, does it? |
| 14:48.54 | DocScrutinizer | I guess "my camera stopped to work" is #1 by far, in PK FAQ |
| 14:49.27 | DocScrutinizer | timmyt: do *you* hear what the others here say? |
| 14:49.49 | timmyt | R they talking to me? |
| 14:50.11 | timmyt | So y don't they call my name? |
| 14:50.31 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: dunno which modules get loaded by kernel before even preinit gets started |
| 14:50.38 | DocScrutinizer | I guess it'S a few anyway |
| 14:51.02 | DocScrutinizer | timmyt: RTFM^HTMOTHREAD |
| 14:51.10 | DocScrutinizer | timmyt: I guess "my camera stopped to work" is #1 by far, in PK FAQ |
| 14:51.42 | timmyt | :D |
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| 14:52.15 | MohammadAG | so, who'd hate me if I got an iPod? |
| 14:52.16 | DocScrutinizer | in short: un-&re-install all camera apps |
| 14:52.24 | chem|st | *reys* |
| 14:52.37 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: he is gone... |
| 14:52.42 | DocScrutinizer | MEH |
| 14:52.52 | chem|st | MohammadAG: me |
| 14:52.57 | luke-jr | is there a rescue kernel image yet? |
| 14:52.59 | DocScrutinizer | o/ |
| 14:53.02 | DocScrutinizer | cya |
| 14:53.06 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: bye |
| 14:53.10 | MohammadAG | chem|st, :( |
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| 14:53.43 | jonwil | MohammadAG: Depends what sort of iPod |
| 14:53.49 | chem|st | MohammadAG: just had another iPrank issue... iPhone cannot even send an image over BT to a mac powerbook... |
| 14:53.51 | MohammadAG | touch |
| 14:54.07 | jonwil | hates apple lockdown |
| 14:54.13 | jonwil | But for playing music, the iPod is fine :) |
| 14:54.21 | jonwil | Its just the app store that I hate |
| 14:54.25 | MohammadAG | music's on the N900/50 |
| 14:54.30 | MohammadAG | I got it for apps |
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| 14:54.34 | chem|st | the only good things from apple have *power* in their naming! |
| 14:54.44 | MohammadAG | bus apps, bank apps etc |
| 14:54.46 | jonwil | or Airport |
| 14:55.02 | MohammadAG | 256MB of RAM sucks |
| 14:55.13 | mece | hey look DocScrutinizer, it's your favorite topic: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=79018 |
| 14:55.19 | MohammadAG | The N900 performs way better in multitasking |
| 14:55.35 | MohammadAG | cydia (HAM-like app) basically kills the iPod for 10s |
| 14:56.12 | chem|st | MohammadAG: the n900 performs way better in anything I have seen on an iphone yet... except weather forecast live view... |
| 14:57.39 | luke-jr | is there any way to at least copy the data before I replace it with a fresh flash? -.- |
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| 15:00.33 | MohammadAG | chem|st, well, no paypal, whatsapp, viber etc on the N900 |
| 15:01.11 | MohammadAG | I'm not a big fan of closed shit, but you either change friends (or stalk them to be able to contact them) or get an iPod apparently |
| 15:01.17 | timmyt | :( couldn't find the page, may u plz give me itself link ? |
| 15:01.38 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: your data is supposed to live on eMMC, not on rootfs/NAND |
| 15:02.05 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: unfortunately, hacking /etc means rootfs/NAND |
| 15:02.15 | DocScrutinizer | timmyt: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog search fcam |
| 15:02.28 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: yup |
| 15:03.00 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: I assume you did frequent backups using backupmenu |
| 15:03.26 | luke-jr | haha |
| 15:03.27 | Arkenoi | who the fsck needs whatsapp? |
| 15:03.38 | DocScrutinizer | WTF is whatsapp |
| 15:03.41 | Arkenoi | and what's wrong with web paypal ui? |
| 15:04.26 | Arkenoi | well, by n900 is pretty smooth now.. but i think it is due to activesync i disabled :-( |
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| 15:06.00 | chem|st | MohammadAG: whatsapp is the worst I have ever seen and if you read the policy and registration agreement you wouldn't install such shit! |
| 15:06.55 | timmyt | DocScrutinizer what is that faq page? |
| 15:06.55 | chem|st | MohammadAG: my sister in law asked me to install it on her phone, while installing it I had a look at the agreement and read it out loud to her, and we both agreed that you do not want it on your phone... |
| 15:07.13 | timmyt | Ive reinstalled fcam driver |
| 15:10.20 | FIQ|n900 | I feeded my N900 with some drink a while ago. It seeemed fine then, but I think the GPS chip is borked. I will not miss it (i rarely used it at all), but how can I confirm this? |
| 15:10.53 | FIQ|n900 | It's too bad if it is, but oh well, I don't care that much about that thing |
| 15:10.58 | MohammadAG | chem|st, doesn't it read your contact list? |
| 15:11.05 | FIQ|n900 | Just want to have a sort of confirm |
| 15:11.23 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, IM that uses phone numbers as usernames |
| 15:11.36 | chem|st | MohammadAG: it is like facebook but with direct access to your phone, and it "may be" pay2use in 2012 |
| 15:11.46 | MohammadAG | so basically, it reads your contact list and shows what contacts have whatsapp, and you have them already there |
| 15:11.58 | MohammadAG | but it's closed (and based on XMPP) |
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| 15:12.09 | MohammadAG | chem|st, it is pay to use, 1 year trial |
| 15:12.18 | MohammadAG | by then they'll switch to iMessage or sth |
| 15:13.16 | chem|st | MohammadAG: first reason not to use |
| 15:14.15 | chem|st | MohammadAG: icq changed the policy back in the early millenium to "all your bases are belong to us"... the only thing to use nowadays without any risk is jabber on your own server! |
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| 15:16.57 | FIQ|n900 | Some command would be able to list detected devices, wouldn't it? |
| 15:17.38 | FIQ|n900 | like lsusb for USB things, lspci for PCI things, etc |
| 15:19.14 | t7^ | you fed your n900 with a drink :p ?? |
| 15:19.29 | t7^ | what were you thinking ... it'll overclock and stay cool? |
| 15:19.33 | t7^ | :) |
| 15:19.36 | t7^ | just kidding :) |
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| 15:23.49 | luke-jr | I love how Linux no longer supports bridging a usbnet device -.- |
| 15:24.04 | timeless | luke-jr: ? |
| 15:24.11 | luke-jr | can't add usb0 to bridge lan0: Operation not supported |
| 15:24.32 | luke-jr | pretty sure that used to work |
| 15:25.08 | FIQ|n900 | [17:19:29] <t7^> what were you thinking ... it'll overclock and stay cool? |
| 15:25.11 | FIQ|n900 | of course :P |
| 15:25.21 | t7^ | hehe |
| 15:25.46 | t7^ | pats his n900 sitting quiet on the table -_- |
| 15:26.05 | arnet | omg, ukeyboard again doesn't work. |
| 15:26.42 | arnet | I've reinstalled maemo, it worked even after I recovered previously installed software via backup application. |
| 15:27.10 | arnet | ammm, if I pastebin outpus of ps ax or smth, may be it will help to guess what's blocking virtual keyboard? |
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| 15:32.28 | luke-jr | NIN101: ping |
| 15:32.47 | NIN101 | luke-jr: pong |
| 15:33.08 | luke-jr | NIN101: trying to save my system with your rescueOS, but … do I really have to type everything? XD |
| 15:33.14 | NIN101 | yes. |
| 15:33.18 | luke-jr | NIN101: I found telnetd, but the root password seems undocumented :| |
| 15:33.28 | luke-jr | and /etc is read-only |
| 15:33.47 | NIN101 | on the initrd image, yes. "rootme" is the root password. |
| 15:33.58 | luke-jr | ah, nice |
| 15:34.00 | luke-jr | that helps |
| 15:34.12 | luke-jr | NIN101: what was your "plan" for copying data off? ;) |
| 15:34.51 | luke-jr | and, did you map a tab key >.> |
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| 15:35.34 | timmyt | Ive installed fcam drivers,but it still doesnt work |
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| 15:36.23 | timmyt | Please help me, |
| 15:36.25 | NIN101 | first of all, how much battery do you have? You should run charging script. For copying data: mount ; cp ; tar. That simple. And yes, it is mapped, but keyboard is not localized it, means, it is using an us layout or something. |
| 15:36.35 | luke-jr | NIN101: I have your charger script running on the console |
| 15:37.00 | luke-jr | so no way to move data over the network? :| |
| 15:37.06 | NIN101 | it is not mine :-). |
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| 15:37.29 | NIN101 | network, hmm... |
| 15:38.56 | NIN101 | there is ftpd |
| 15:39.26 | timmyt | Mr docscrutinizer, i did reinstalled fcam drivers, but it still doesn't work |
| 15:39.37 | luke-jr | doesn't think he has a FTP client >_< |
| 15:42.51 | timmyt | I have installed kernel power and since then camera doesn't work.ive also installed that mother fucker fcam driver,but it still doesn't work |
| 15:48.56 | vilociraptor` | :o |
| 15:49.15 | vilociraptor` | so before the power kernel your cam was working timmyt ? |
| 15:50.40 | timmyt | Yes |
| 15:51.40 | timmyt | Ugh |
| 15:51.48 | timmyt | Fools |
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| 15:59.13 | Khertan_n950 | ~ping |
| 15:59.14 | infobot | ~pong |
| 15:59.55 | arnet | let me repeat, hm? if I pastebin output of ps may be somebody will have an idea which process stops working my virtual keyboard? |
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| 16:05.08 | vilociraptor` | hmm |
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| 16:06.03 | luke-jr | cries |
| 16:06.11 | luke-jr | I downgraded the kernel and it STILL won't boot |
| 16:06.49 | vilociraptor` | ok so I have a off topic question ... how many of you have used a laptop for development? Was it an inconvenience? |
| 16:08.17 | frals | im doing it for the past 1½year |
| 16:08.28 | frals | otoh i usually dont take that laptop anywhere... :P |
| 16:08.54 | vilociraptor` | flashing 1.3 kernel doesnt make the device functional? |
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| 16:09.09 | luke-jr | apparently not |
| 16:09.29 | vilociraptor` | oh cool frals .. I always wanted a tablet pc, and now i'm buying it I think!! |
| 16:09.53 | vilociraptor` | but it has a 12.5" screen -_- and I'm nervous! |
| 16:09.57 | vilociraptor` | $1300 |
| 16:10.05 | vilociraptor` | no N9 for me this year -_- |
| 16:10.06 | vilociraptor` | lol |
| 16:10.18 | vilociraptor` | holds n900 even closer |
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| 16:12.49 | jacekowski | luke-jr: pong |
| 16:13.53 | frals | vilociraptor`: my laptop has a 15.6" screen ;p |
| 16:14.36 | vilociraptor` | this old one i'm using right now has the same, but its like 5 years old |
| 16:14.43 | luke-jr | jacekowski: any idea what those zimages you made me over a year ago did? XD |
| 16:14.56 | vilociraptor` | and its heavy .. so for the first time i'm thinking of buying a light weight machine |
| 16:14.56 | luke-jr | hmm, is it safe to wipe /dev/mtd2 ? |
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| 16:29.43 | luke-jr | … |
| 16:29.44 | DocScrutinizer | for whatever "wipe", probably yes |
| 16:30.02 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: yeah, "how" is the next question XD |
| 16:30.09 | luke-jr | I don't suppose dd /dev/zero is ideal |
| 16:30.22 | DocScrutinizer | honestly, nfc |
| 16:30.24 | luke-jr | emerge mtd-tools |
| 16:30.37 | DocScrutinizer | nanderase maybe |
| 16:30.53 | luke-jr | maybe I *should* just backup.. |
| 16:31.09 | luke-jr | is it pretty safe to assume reflashing won't touch eMMC? |
| 16:32.01 | DocScrutinizer | for combined yes |
| 16:32.15 | luke-jr | I wish Maemo had etckeeper |
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| 16:32.59 | DocScrutinizer | re mtd, I gather that's a ringbuffer, and no clue how kernel "mtdconsole" decides where to write to it |
| 16:33.36 | DocScrutinizer | it's also rather annoying there's seemingly no proper tool to read it in a legible way |
| 16:34.06 | luke-jr | strings |
| 16:34.07 | luke-jr | :p |
| 16:34.11 | luke-jr | I just wish it had timestamps |
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| 16:35.37 | DocScrutinizer | err, yep |
| 16:36.31 | DocScrutinizer | actually it has: raw unix time |
| 16:36.34 | luke-jr | ? |
| 16:36.42 | luke-jr | anything to backup besides rootfs? |
| 16:37.16 | DocScrutinizer | your rootfs backup isn't complete without /opt |
| 16:37.42 | luke-jr | why not? /opt is on eMMC so won't be wiped, right? |
| 16:38.17 | luke-jr | where to find raw unix time in mtd2? |
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| 16:41.10 | DocScrutinizer | it will get wiped on booting your next fresh rootfs |
| 16:41.46 | DocScrutinizer | my dump starts like "^A^@^@^@^@]^@" |
| 16:42.12 | DocScrutinizer | [80632.333312] 3b60: 00000080 cf019414 c028431c c0355a20 c0353b94 c0353b80 c005794c c00575e4 -- is a line that seems to have timestamp |
| 16:42.44 | DocScrutinizer | and eventually there shows up another "^B^@^@^@^@]^@]" |
| 16:42.57 | DocScrutinizer | looks lke metainfo |
| 16:43.31 | DocScrutinizer | "^C^@^@^@^@]^@]" is next one |
| 16:43.32 | luke-jr | well, timestamps are worthless anyway when there's no clock at boot |
| 16:44.39 | DocScrutinizer | "^D^@^@^@^@]^@]" next, in >> [80632.343200] Code: bad PC value. <FF><FF><FF><FF><FF><FF><FF><FF><FF><FF><FF><FF><FF><FF><FF><FF><FF><FF><FF><FF><FF><FF><FF><FF><FF><FF><FF><FF><FF><FF><FF> <FF><FF><FF><FF><FF><FF><FF><FF><FF><FF><FF><FF><FF><FF><FF><FF><FF><FF><FF><FF><FF><FF><FF><FF><FF>^D^@^@^@^@]^@][80632.344055] mtdoops: Ready 3, 4 (no erase) << |
| 16:44.54 | luke-jr | blah |
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| 16:46.08 | DocScrutinizer | looking into mtdoops.c in kernel sources might help ;-) |
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| 16:48.09 | DocScrutinizer | btw all the above been less' notiation of special chars |
| 16:49.10 | DocScrutinizer | so ^D is probably one byte ascii ctrl-d, while <FF> is one byte 0xFF |
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| 16:57.32 | Juozapas | any solution for gtalk status show on contacts yet? |
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| 17:00.01 | luke-jr | hum |
| 17:00.16 | luke-jr | looks like preinit runs at least |
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| 17:16.47 | luke-jr | CAL ERROR: open(/dev/mtd1): No such file or directory |
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| 17:17.49 | slonopotamus | DocScrutinizer: luke-jr: what are you doing? |
| 17:18.44 | luke-jr | slonopotamus: trying to get my N900 to boot again x.x |
| 17:19.09 | slonopotamus | huh |
| 17:19.14 | slonopotamus | you break all nxxx devices you touch? |
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| 17:20.13 | luke-jr | slonopotamus: all I did was apt-get upgrade! |
| 17:20.14 | luke-jr | :/ |
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| 17:23.01 | jack_lt | DocScrutinizer, one obvious problem I have on my n900 is that when I save an attachment in claws-mail or a file in gnumeric the device reboots |
| 17:23.09 | jack_lt | DocScrutinizer, not sure if it is related |
| 17:23.27 | DocScrutinizer | ouch |
| 17:23.35 | jack_lt | DocScrutinizer, it could be that those 'extra apps' wants to safe in the root filesystem or something |
| 17:23.56 | jack_lt | I don't have the problem when I save a note from notes for example |
| 17:24.06 | DocScrutinizer | also to luke-jr: OUCH, CAL nuked? |
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| 17:30.12 | jack_lt | not with leafpad |
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| 17:31.47 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: looks fine to me :x |
| 17:32.30 | DocScrutinizer | errr, how'd you tell that? |
| 17:32.37 | luke-jr | I can view it in Gentoo |
| 17:32.54 | luke-jr | is maemo's static /dev supposed to have mtd*? |
| 17:32.59 | DocScrutinizer | sure, but to me this crap never looked "fine" |
| 17:33.03 | luke-jr | :p |
| 17:33.40 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: what are your /dev/mtd* major/minors? |
| 17:33.47 | luke-jr | in maemo |
| 17:33.55 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: dunno about "static" but yes, /dev/mtd.?(ro)? |
| 17:34.04 | DocScrutinizer | mompls |
| 17:34.15 | luke-jr | static as in before tmpfs is mounted over it :P |
| 17:34.48 | DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# ls -l /dev/mtd? |
| 17:34.49 | DocScrutinizer | crw-rw---- 1 root root 90, 0 1970-01-01 01:00 /dev/mtd0 |
| 17:34.51 | DocScrutinizer | crw-rw---- 1 root root 90, 2 1970-01-01 01:00 /dev/mtd1 |
| 17:34.52 | DocScrutinizer | crw-rw---- 1 root root 90, 4 1970-01-01 01:00 /dev/mtd2 |
| 17:34.54 | DocScrutinizer | crw-rw---- 1 root root 90, 6 1970-01-01 01:00 /dev/mtd3 |
| 17:34.55 | DocScrutinizer | crw-rw---- 1 root root 90, 8 1970-01-01 01:00 /dev/mtd4 |
| 17:34.57 | DocScrutinizer | crw-rw---- 1 root root 90, 10 1970-01-01 01:00 /dev/mtd5 |
| 17:34.58 | DocScrutinizer | sorry for flooding :-/ |
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| 17:36.02 | DocScrutinizer | crw-rw---- 1 root root 90, 2 1970-01-01 01:00 /dev/mtd1 |
| 17:36.04 | DocScrutinizer | crw-rw---- 1 root root 90, 3 1970-01-01 01:00 /dev/mtd1ro |
| 17:36.26 | luke-jr | mtdblock0 ? |
| 17:36.51 | DocScrutinizer | no such thing |
| 17:37.56 | luke-jr | strange thing: it does get to getbootstate: slide open, attempting to use bootmenu |
| 17:38.00 | DocScrutinizer | mtd* expands to mtd[0-5](ro)? |
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| 17:45.23 | jacekowski | luke-jr: i don't even remember which zimages are you talking about |
| 17:46.05 | luke-jr | jacekowski: XD |
| 17:46.33 | DocScrutinizer | actually mtd[0-5]\(ro\)\? |
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| 17:47.57 | jack_lt | rm power-kernel, reboot |
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| 17:48.16 | DocScrutinizer | jack_lt: err what? |
| 17:48.59 | jack_lt | rm power-kernel to test with stock kernel |
| 17:49.03 | DocScrutinizer | I hope you actually installed stock kernel, kernel-flasher, kernel-modules |
| 17:49.12 | jack_lt | right |
| 17:49.32 | DocScrutinizer | you can't rm a kernel on a unix machine and hope it will still work |
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| 17:49.58 | DocScrutinizer | s/ a / the /. |
| 17:50.36 | jack_lt | ok gnumeric saves just fine with stock kernel |
| 17:50.38 | jack_lt | hmm |
| 17:50.50 | luke-jr | Unable to open frame buffer device /dev/fb0 |
| 17:50.56 | luke-jr | this seems to be the key issue |
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| 17:51.07 | DocScrutinizer | jack_lt: hmm, what's been your original problem |
| 17:51.11 | DocScrutinizer | ? |
| 17:51.18 | luke-jr | or this: Error getting variable OSSO_PRODUCT_RELEASE_NAME value |
| 17:51.41 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: no fb without powerkernel |
| 17:51.56 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: ? |
| 17:52.09 | DocScrutinizer | umm never mind |
| 17:52.41 | jack_lt | claws-mail saves just fine with stock kernel |
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| 17:52.50 | jack_lt | hmm so power-kernel related ... |
| 17:54.09 | jack_lt | DocScrutinizer, ^ |
| 17:54.28 | jack_lt | DocScrutinizer, should a multiboot, stock | power-kernel work? |
| 17:54.43 | DocScrutinizer | multiboot is deprecated |
| 17:54.51 | jack_lt | hmm |
| 17:55.08 | jack_lt | doesn't sounds like an option then |
| 17:56.13 | DocScrutinizer | which version of PK was that? |
| 17:56.22 | jack_lt | 48 |
| 17:56.28 | DocScrutinizer | :nod: |
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| 17:56.37 | DocScrutinizer | try 47, maybe even 46 |
| 17:56.43 | jack_lt | is it possible to install booston without a pk |
| 17:56.45 | jack_lt | ? |
| 17:56.57 | jack_lt | to test it with stock |
| 17:57.13 | DocScrutinizer | booston will work on stock kernel, and I told you to test it on stock kernel |
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| 17:57.51 | jack_lt | ok, booston seems to be removed with the pk kernel |
| 17:58.18 | DocScrutinizer | hostmode however is 100% kernel patches and won't work on stock kernel |
| 17:59.00 | DocScrutinizer | umm, depending on how you flashed, it possibly got nuked from /sbin/, yes |
| 17:59.12 | luke-jr | [ 5.322113] Warning: unable to open an initial console. |
| 17:59.16 | luke-jr | is that in normal dmesg? |
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| 18:00.28 | DocScrutinizer | rep "unable to open" /var/log/syslog doesn't yield this |
| 18:00.32 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: ls -l /dev/fb0 |
| 18:00.46 | DocScrutinizer | ? |
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| 18:01.12 | DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# ll /dev/fb0 |
| 18:01.14 | DocScrutinizer | crw-rw---- 1 root video 29, 0 1970-01-01 01:00 /dev/fb0 |
| 18:01.30 | luke-jr | hmm |
| 18:01.38 | jack_lt | DocScrutinizer, sorry, how to chmod it again? |
| 18:01.54 | DocScrutinizer | chmod a+x <path/to/file> |
| 18:02.30 | jack_lt | gracias |
| 18:02.50 | DocScrutinizer | see if i2cset /-get are still available |
| 18:03.11 | DocScrutinizer | i2cget --help |
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| 18:04.53 | jack_lt | it is |
| 18:04.57 | DocScrutinizer | or ls /usr/local/sbin/i2c* |
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| 18:05.05 | DocScrutinizer | ok |
| 18:05.11 | jack_lt | hmm same error |
| 18:05.27 | DocScrutinizer | :-/ |
| 18:05.40 | DocScrutinizer | seems your hardware is a lil bit defect |
| 18:06.07 | DocScrutinizer | where "hardware" includes all the stuff you plug in to the N900 |
| 18:06.43 | jack_lt | grrr |
| 18:07.13 | jack_lt | big pita |
| 18:07.44 | jack_lt | it can't be related to the filesystem of the n900 or user rights on it? |
| 18:08.01 | DocScrutinizer | indeed, as that not even is a warranty case, VBoost is no advertised property of the device |
| 18:08.13 | DocScrutinizer | hardly |
| 18:09.07 | DocScrutinizer | well, if you want to make sure, you may flash eMMC as well, going back to complete stock config |
| 18:09.24 | jack_lt | are many n900s having problems with usb hostmode? |
| 18:09.43 | DocScrutinizer | actually that's the first case I heard of |
| 18:10.30 | jack_lt | hmm ok |
| 18:10.37 | DocScrutinizer | have you already tested a powered USB hub? |
| 18:11.00 | jack_lt | yep |
| 18:11.13 | DocScrutinizer | with external power attached? |
| 18:11.34 | jack_lt | and my normal usb on the n900 does not have obvious problems... |
| 18:11.38 | jack_lt | yep |
| 18:12.26 | DocScrutinizer | well, your normal USB doesn't use vboost mode of bq24150 and it doesn't imply usage of any F-F-adapter |
| 18:12.46 | DocScrutinizer | I still suspect that adapter(s) to be weirdly broken |
| 18:13.06 | jack_lt | the FF adapter? |
| 18:13.10 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 18:13.14 | jack_lt | I bought a new one |
| 18:13.17 | jack_lt | the same ... |
| 18:13.20 | jack_lt | but new |
| 18:13.22 | DocScrutinizer | same brand? |
| 18:13.30 | DocScrutinizer | useless |
| 18:13.31 | jack_lt | maybe that was not a wise thing |
| 18:14.02 | jack_lt | might try another one later |
| 18:14.21 | DocScrutinizer | wait a minute, we could do a test |
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| 18:15.16 | jack_lt | when I connect the powered hub I get the same error |
| 18:15.24 | jack_lt | nothing on the hub |
| 18:16.46 | DocScrutinizer | jack_lt: would you like to do a test? |
| 18:17.00 | jack_lt | depends :) |
| 18:17.30 | DocScrutinizer | look at the "open end" of your F-F adapter plugged to cable to N900 |
| 18:18.27 | jack_lt | k |
| 18:18.42 | DocScrutinizer | hold it so that you see the 4 contacts on top of the (white) "tongue" |
| 18:19.09 | jack_lt | k |
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| 18:21.00 | DocScrutinizer | start booston, then short the right of the 4 contacts to the sleeve metal above, using e.g a small philips screwdriver, knitting needle, or similar |
| 18:21.37 | DocScrutinizer | watch of booston throws the OVERLOAD error - if not try shorting the leftmost contact same way |
| 18:22.05 | jack_lt | short? |
| 18:22.14 | DocScrutinizer | shortcircuit |
| 18:22.29 | jack_lt | just touch it? |
| 18:22.31 | DocScrutinizer | touch both the contact and the metal sleeve same time |
| 18:22.53 | jack_lt | k |
| 18:23.52 | DocScrutinizer | if your adapter is OK regarding what I suspect, the it will cause OVERLOAD on right contact. When it is as messed up as I think, it will cause same error on left contact |
| 18:25.19 | jack_lt | that depends on which side you have up ... |
| 18:25.35 | jack_lt | white part up or down |
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| 18:27.21 | jack_lt | when I have white part down, left |
| 18:28.09 | DocScrutinizer | yes, that's what I told you. White "tongue" down, with contacts on TOP |
| 18:28.46 | jack_lt | right, left ... |
| 18:28.57 | DocScrutinizer | and left contact causing it is exactly what I thought, those idiots contacted the F-F adapter directly instead of crossing the wires |
| 18:29.22 | jack_lt | hmm |
| 18:29.59 | DocScrutinizer | which means ALL your peripherals got plus on ground, and minus on +VBUS |
| 18:30.51 | jack_lt | so that could / is the cause |
| 18:30.54 | jack_lt | = the good news |
| 18:30.59 | DocScrutinizer | that IS the cause |
| 18:31.02 | jack_lt | do you suggest a brand? |
| 18:31.08 | jack_lt | for a FF adapter? |
| 18:31.11 | DocScrutinizer | sorry, no idea |
| 18:31.48 | jack_lt | anyway, thx a lot |
| 18:31.55 | jack_lt | I hope you're right |
| 18:32.04 | jack_lt | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:32.17 | DocScrutinizer | trust me, I am - if you did the test exactly like I told you |
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| 18:34.09 | jack_lt | left from my point of view? |
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| 18:34.15 | DocScrutinizer | sure |
| 18:34.57 | jack_lt | ok |
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| 18:35.13 | jack_lt | should be done the way you told me |
| 18:35.26 | jack_lt | hmm maybe I should test it in the shop |
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| 18:35.32 | DocScrutinizer | looking into the receptacle you got the white thingy on lower half, cavity on upper. The gold contacts fact upward on top of the white thingy, and left contact seen from your POV is the one that indicates sth is wrong |
| 18:36.02 | DocScrutinizer | s/fact/face/ |
| 18:36.25 | ruskie | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/10/18/riaa_biggest_threat_innovation_senator/ <-- ROFL |
| 18:36.52 | jack_lt | right |
| 18:37.06 | jack_lt | I buy another one and report back |
| 18:37.17 | jack_lt | you think this is a design error from their part? |
| 18:39.41 | DocScrutinizer | jack_lt: think along with me: your PC has host ports, your cable plugged in there has + on right side. now you unplug the cable, turn it towards you, now plus is on left side. you plug F-F adapter on it and plug in another similar plug to the F-F adapter. Obviously this plug is facing away from you and thus has plus on right side. |
| 18:40.20 | DocScrutinizer | so what your F-F adapter needs to do is cross all the 4 wires. Yours doesn't |
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| 18:42.11 | jack_lt | so I want my money back |
| 18:42.26 | DocScrutinizer | I'd say at very least that |
| 18:42.37 | jack_lt | but it shouldn |
| 18:42.43 | jack_lt | t work on a laptop? |
| 18:42.54 | DocScrutinizer | sorry? |
| 18:42.59 | jack_lt | or is this specific to the n900 |
| 18:43.17 | jack_lt | I can test the FF on my laptop |
| 18:43.21 | DocScrutinizer | such a sort of adapter has no "official" usage |
| 18:43.56 | DocScrutinizer | no, your laptop probably is standards conform and thus has no way to test a single such F-F adapter |
| 18:43.59 | jack_lt | you suspect that connecting an usb stick via this FF adapter to the laptop, fails? |
| 18:44.08 | DocScrutinizer | you can't |
| 18:44.09 | jack_lt | ok |
| 18:44.56 | DocScrutinizer | you'll find no way to plug a usb stick to your laptop with just the F-F adapter plus "standard" cables |
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| 18:46.23 | DocScrutinizer | and if you'd use 2 F-F adapters or sth like that, they would fix the issue by swapping twice |
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| 19:20.12 | jack_lt | thx bbl |
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| 19:28.48 | t73 | anyone using an expresscard ssd? |
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| 19:39.00 | mr_jrt | Personally, I ordered one of these: http://www.dealextreme.com/p/usb-cable-coupler-extension-connector-2646 |
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| 20:33.50 | hakkattakk | Hi! I just got my n900 and just want to make sure how I flash it. I flash it with this commands: |
| 20:33.57 | hakkattakk | 1. flasher-3.5.exe -F RX-51_2009SE_2.2009.51-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f |
| 20:34.09 | NIN101 | ~flash |
| 20:34.09 | infobot | i heard maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 20:34.09 | hakkattakk | 2. flasher-3.5.exe -F RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin -f |
| 20:34.20 | hakkattakk | 3. flasher-3.5.exe -F RX-51_2009SE_2.2009.51-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R |
| 20:34.47 | hakkattakk | NIN101: thx |
| 20:36.19 | hakkattakk | yeah, it looks like I was right :) I hope I dont brick the phone now :) |
| 20:36.30 | Sicelo | good luck |
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| 20:42.17 | ShadowJK | It's hard to brick |
| 20:42.33 | ShadowJK | but make sure you have fully charged battery before you start, because it will not flash on not-full battery |
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| 20:44.12 | DocScrutinizer | make *SURE* |
| 20:44.31 | DocScrutinizer | and s/hard/almost impossible/ |
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| 20:54.40 | hakkattakk | great! I have charged the battery for about one hour, hopfully it will be fully charged soon |
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| 21:25.56 | ds3 | for those of us who didn't qualify to get a N950...would it be a bad idea to get a spare N900 before it vanishes? (assuming that one doesn't want to cut their sim to fit the N9)? |
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| 21:26.42 | NIN101 | if you can live without official updats from nokia. |
| 21:26.48 | NIN101 | then probably not. |
| 21:27.00 | ds3 | NIN101: is the N950 going to have official updates? |
| 21:27.26 | ds3 | also, is there any other option out there for a non Android Linux phone with features at least as good as the N900? |
| 21:28.40 | NIN101 | N950 will probably get updates for some time, but I don't have one and I am not always up to date with the N9/N950 harmattan stuff. |
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| 21:30.24 | ds3 | yes but the N950 is not going to be available for purchase, right? |
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| 21:30.36 | ds3 | or has that changed? |
| 21:30.57 | NIN101 | no it has not changed. |
| 21:31.20 | ds3 | so there is no options :( |
| 21:31.39 | ShadowJK | and N900 hasn't been getting updates for ages already, so :P |
| 21:31.48 | ds3 | exactly |
| 21:32.02 | ds3 | I can tolerate the existing N900 as-is. |
| 21:32.19 | ds3 | just wanted to be ready for why my current N900 unit physically bites the dust |
| 21:32.21 | ShadowJK | even with N9/N950, updates will probably never fix specification bugs anyway |
| 21:33.17 | Trewas | n9's virtual keyboard is surprisingly non-frustrating compared to n900's hw-keyboard, not that I have really used any other touchscreen-only phones |
| 21:33.47 | ds3 | the deal breaker for the N9 is microSIM |
| 21:34.01 | ds3 | I suspect if I break my SIM, it won't get replaced |
| 21:34.06 | ShadowJK | even so, the lost screenspace is like having a 16x2 lcd again |
| 21:34.40 | ShadowJK | (or worse) |
| 21:34.50 | ds3 | has someone created like a graffiti input method? |
| 21:36.45 | ds3 | actually, has anyone gotten TMO to replace a broken sim for a grandfathered account? |
| 21:36.55 | DocScrutinizer | I heard literki is available for N9 |
| 21:38.21 | DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Literki |
| 21:38.32 | DocScrutinizer | found that rather cool back when |
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| 21:45.03 | DocScrutinizer | one thing though: the font used for the "keycaps" should have a shadow in complementary color, to give a better contrast in some unfortunate cases where you can't find a color for literky that gives good contrast to background for all keys |
| 21:46.41 | DocScrutinizer | also auto color selection on popup resp. interactively triggered by a special key/gesture was nice |
| 21:47.43 | luke-jr | looks like my Freerunner is dead too |
| 21:47.44 | luke-jr | :| |
| 21:47.57 | DocScrutinizer | err :-S |
| 21:48.13 | DocScrutinizer | dead? |
| 21:48.16 | DocScrutinizer | too?? |
| 21:48.59 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: yeah |
| 21:49.05 | luke-jr | it doesn't do *anything* now :| |
| 21:49.22 | luke-jr | I guess battery died |
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| 21:52.46 | luke-jr | does a fresh flash on N900 |
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| 21:55.22 | luke-jr | sigh |
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| 22:07.59 | luke-jr | well at least that worked :/ |
| 22:08.18 | luke-jr | now to restore stuff |
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| 23:41.15 | luke-jr | wtf |
| 23:41.18 | luke-jr | it's bricked again |