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06:34.37EvanescenceIs there a way to change user's default shell ? I want to change ash into bash4
06:34.48woldrichchsh
06:35.44Evanescencewoldrich: error: you may not change the shell for user
06:36.06woldrichas root
06:36.08Evanescencewoldrich: "user" is the default name for Maemo5
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06:36.23woldrichyes, I know, I'm in #maemo as well :)
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06:37.22Evanescencewoldrich: changed, thanks
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06:49.15meceEvanescence, you can install bash and then set that as default
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06:54.08Evanescencemece: yes, I installed, and changed default ash already, thanks still
07:04.35iuusoEvanescence: how did you change ash -> bash?
07:04.57iuusoi would be interested for doing that also.
07:05.09Evanescenceiuuso: sudo gainroot ; chsh user ( set to /bin/bash4 )
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07:05.24iuusothanks.
07:07.17EvanescenceI find ~/.bashrc can not used by bash4. does anyone know it ?
07:07.50LaoLang_coolyou can set it in /etc/passwd
07:08.23LaoLang_coolnick:*:1001:1001:full name:/home/nick:/bin/bash
07:08.33LaoLang_coolworks on FreeBSD ;p
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08:21.11DocScrutinizerI wonder if evanescene can still boot now
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08:23.01DocScrutinizerI'd honestly prefer to set the shell invoked by xterm and sshd to bash, rather than changing user's default shell which will have impact on the way the system boots
08:25.06DocScrutinizerbut I think it's not bash itself that borks boot, it's the unix-toolbox that introduces some commands that are not "compatible" to busybox' crippled version - dunno if that problem got fixed in initscripts by Nokia meanwhile
08:27.53DocScrutinizerIroN900:~# echo $PATH
08:27.54DocScrutinizer/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin/gnu:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11
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08:30.04DocScrutinizerPATH=$(echo $PATH|sed "s.:/usr/bin:.:/usr/bin/gnu:/usr/bin:.")
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08:32.34DocScrutinizerI've not completed the above "project"
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08:53.07ColdFyreon my n900 i'm trying to change the images used for the battery/gsm indicator in the themes but i can't find where that is..
08:55.45SiceloColdFyre: http://wiki.maemo.org/Customizing_Maemo#Icons
08:56.24ColdFyreaha, thanks
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09:49.01massoudhi there : i got my /root and /home/user/MyDocs/ dirs empty after a dist-upgrade on my n900 :(
09:49.15massoudcan't acces my .sounds dir for instance
09:51.28massoudcan i fsck my FS or fix that ?
09:51.32sat2050and how did you manage that
09:51.38sat2050i dont think so
09:52.27Sicelodist-upgrade shouldn't be performed on N900
09:52.49Siceloso, we assume it still boots, is it?
09:55.38MohammadAGis it in mass storage mode?
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10:39.45jierois the N9 upgrade backporting to N900 as the kernel source released?
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10:42.14massoudSicelo: yes it still boots and everything works except those dirs are empty
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10:43.02massouddont understand why the fs does not see those dirs
10:47.31andre__jiero, what upgrade?
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10:50.08jieroandre_ I just read nokia released N9's kernel source.
10:50.21jierojust wonder if that affect N900
10:50.41andre__in which way?
10:50.57edheldilI hope it's not "Good for nothing, because aegis" release :)
10:52.05jieroI don't know which way is proper but still Nokia cease developement for N900 long ago.
10:52.39jieroN9 must have fixed some problems occured on N900 I guess.
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11:37.13DocScrutinizermassoud: dist-upgrade is absolutely deprecated and known to ruin your system
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11:40.10DocScrutinizermassoud: I don't exactly understand why and how it nuked your MyDocs and ~root dir, but anyway I don't think there's any chance to recover except restoring from backup, esp for ~root (for MyDocs I suggest you first check if it's mounted at all -> mount|grep home)
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11:45.07DocScrutinizeraslo df -h /home/user/MyDocs
11:45.14DocScrutinizeralso*
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13:43.13DocScrutinizer51so this is driving me nuts now...
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13:45.21ysssUSB ports?
13:45.32DocScrutinizer51I made xchat autostart by editing the .desktop file in /usr/share/applications/hildon. But now there's no way to revert to normal as restoring original xchat.desktop doesn't stop the autostart :-(  Any suggestions?
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13:46.44DocScrutinizer51other than completely uninstalling xchat, then hope autostart be gone after I reinstalled
13:48.26DocScrutinizer51hildon-* _somewhere_ stores this autostart property persistently and oesn't revert it on restoring original .desktop file
13:49.40edheldilsomewhere in ~/ , perhaps?
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13:50.11DocScrutinizer51dunno, thought I checked the usual suspects
13:52.41edheldilwhat about ~user/.sso-autologin.prefs ?
13:54.15DocScrutinizer51fires up a find ~user/.* -name '*xchat*'
13:54.21DocScrutinizer51fsck
13:54.32DocScrutinizer51searches ../* as well
13:55.56jaskai usually use .??* but that wont work for .x or .y etc
13:56.53edheldilI use .[a-zA-Z0-9]*
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13:58.00jaskaalso zsh doesnt expand .* to .. :)
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13:59.41DocScrutinizer51find ~user/.[^.]* -name '*xchat*'
13:59.48DocScrutinizer51no luck
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14:01.33DocScrutinizer51somebody mentioned xdg iirc
14:03.27fralsman, ios5 is so awesome... http://p.twimg.com/AbpAJ70CMAA5LMQ.jpg
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14:03.42fralsso device is set to swedish, i get message in english, accept button in english and cancel in finnish?
14:03.58keriofrals: also the whole app store in english
14:04.07fralskerio: no, the bottom bar is in finnish
14:04.17kerioclosest itunes store?
14:04.19kerio\_o_/
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14:04.31fralsi have no fucking clue what its doing, but it aint right
14:04.50keriowell, ovi store doesn't have these problems ¬.¬
14:04.56SpeedEvilShotgun localisation.
14:05.04SpeedEvil'One of these must be right!'
14:05.22edheldilDocScrutinizer:  I don't see xdg utils on my phone
14:06.30keriois there a way to flash the fiasco/combined images from the n900 itself?
14:06.42kerioi mean, from another OS
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14:08.23DocScrutinizer51/var/lib/gconf/apps/osso/hildon-desktop/applets/TaskShortcut:xchat.desktop   maybe this one??
14:08.42edheldilDocScrutinizer:  just wanted to recommend to look there :)
14:09.02DocScrutinizer51hmm
14:09.21edheldilalso ... have you looked INTO the files in ~user?
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14:12.37DocScrutinizer51'
14:12.56DocScrutinizer51burps - just gibberish in there
14:13.17kerioi mean, is there a flasher for... say, nitdroid or meego, that lets you flash the nokia images
14:13.18kerio?
14:13.18DocScrutinizer51edheldil: not yet
14:16.33DocScrutinizer51fires a grep, frown about tracker-db hits for pixchat, and heads out for a walk
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15:42.54DocScrutinizerhmmmmmm .local/share/applications/hildon/xchat.desktop
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15:45.02DocScrutinizerhahaha, even -rw-r--r--  1 root     root         530  05. Mär 2011 xchat.desktop  
15:45.27DocScrutinizerin ~user/.local...
15:45.42DocScrutinizermy fault, I guess
15:47.56DocScrutinizeryoh, sudo rm ~user/.local/share/applications/hildon/xchat.desktop --- done
15:48.19DocScrutinizerheaddesks
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16:30.37Caminomasterhi everyone
16:30.55flat`ho
16:31.24CaminomasterI have 2008 in my n810
16:32.16Caminomaster<PROTECTED>
16:32.30Caminomaster""
16:32.36Caminomaster"seamless update"
16:32.45Caminomasterhow I can do it?
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17:08.30andre__Caminomaster: 5.2008.43-7 was the last version for the n810
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18:40.05ruskiehttp://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Bluebird-Soft-BIP6000Max/ <-- interesting
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19:22.31DocScrutinizer51hmmmm
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19:46.55DocScrutinizerruskie: thanks :-D
19:47.09DocScrutinizer*bookmarked*
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19:57.43DocScrutinizerMUHAHAHAAAAA http://www.sdgsystems.com/estore/cart.php?target=category&category_id=17
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20:57.36DocScrutinizerjavispedro: was it you who knew a bit about general and hildon specific key-value tupels in *.desktop ?
20:57.58javispedrouh..
20:58.02javispedroI'm starting to forget =)
20:58.15RST38hsclerosis!
20:59.59DocScrutinizeraah probably dneary
21:00.05DocScrutinizeranyway
21:00.22DocScrutinizeranybody got a clue about X-Maemo-Prestarted in .desktop?
21:01.28DocScrutinizerX-Maemo-Prestarted=always works here, but restarts app as soon as you close it. X-Maemo-Prestarted=true - as suggested in http://wiki.maemo.org/Desktop_file_format - doesn't seem to have *any* effect
21:01.47FIQ|n900wild guess: if it should print the program output for next start
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21:02.42DocScrutinizernope, it's about starting that program on next boot
21:03.19DocScrutinizerhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=957502#post957502
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21:05.44DocScrutinizerI'd just like to know if there's any parameter for that key to make it start the app only once, instead of restarting it when it closes, like "always" does
21:06.46javispedroprobably not
21:06.52javispedroeither way, h-d source is definite source here
21:07.32DocScrutinizeryup, just hoped sb has a link to the right file, so I could look it up
21:07.55DocScrutinizer(no h-d source local here)
21:08.14DocScrutinizerlemme try gogle :-P
21:08.18DocScrutinizergoogle even
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21:16.09DocScrutinizerhttp://maemo.gitorious.org/fremantle-hildon-desktop/hildon-desktop/blobs/master/src/launcher/hd-launcher-app.c#line113
21:17.37DocScrutinizerWUT??! http://maemo.gitorious.org/fremantle-hildon-desktop/hildon-desktop/blobs/master/src/launcher/hd-launcher-app.h#line69
21:18.00DocScrutinizerso, X-Maemo-Prestarted=usage ???
21:20.02DocScrutinizerlooks pretty much like a "bug"
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21:36.30DocScrutinizeralso looks like the function starting at http://maemo.gitorious.org/fremantle-hildon-desktop/hildon-desktop/blobs/master/src/launcher/hd-launcher-app.c#line105 should return 1 aka "better than 'NONE' but less than 'ALWAYS'" for all (even invalid) values for X-Maemo-Prestarted= except X-Maemo-Prestarted=none and X-Maemo-Prestarted=always
21:38.59DocScrutinizeractually nope, not even #define HD_APP_PRESTART_NONE_STRING     "none"  gets tested for, so X-Maemo-Prestarted=none should also return res from HdLauncherAppPrestartMode res = HD_APP_PRESTART_USAGE;  in http://maemo.gitorious.org/fremantle-hildon-desktop/hildon-desktop/blobs/master/src/launcher/hd-launcher-app.c#line108
21:39.04DocScrutinizerWTF?!
21:39.38DocScrutinizeram I completely losing my c-fu ?
21:39.51DocScrutinizeror is this completely odd?
21:40.41javispedroprobably trye
21:40.43javispedro*true
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21:43.47DocScrutinizerwhat is true?
21:44.19DocScrutinizerthat I'm getting senile, or what I concluded, or maybe the parameter for that key?
21:44.46DocScrutinizerfriggin gitorious doesn't even offer grep
21:44.52javispedrothat setting it to none would inadvertently turn it on
21:45.02javispedroyou also have mxr.maemo.org ;P
21:45.16DocScrutinizero.O
21:47.59jieroAMD Ports Open-Source Linux Driver To Windows Embedded LOL
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21:48.05jierolatest news...
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21:56.33DocScrutinizerMEH http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/hildon-desktop/src/launcher/hd-app-mgr.c#1170
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22:00.08DocScrutinizer1189
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22:12.37DocScrutinizerwow hahaha http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/hildon-desktop/src/launcher/hd-app-mgr.c#1606
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22:17.42DocScrutinizerit's actually amazing that it works at all
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22:23.42DocScrutinizerwhere's mhd source? javispedro, MohammadAG?
22:24.13DocScrutinizeror a more specific question: did somebody already try to fix this mess?
22:24.37javispedrothe mess is because prestarting is not exactly the same as autostarting, from the h-d designer' eyes
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22:24.53DocScrutinizeryeah, gathered as much
22:26.07DocScrutinizerif only from the line * TODO: Add some way to avoid waking-up apps from being shown immediately o the user as if launched anew.
22:28.30SpeedEvilhttp://www.dealextreme.com/new-arrivals - I sense a theme.
22:28.51DocScrutinizeranyway "fixing" this seems wrt X-Maemo-Prestarted=usage seems "easy enough", just don't add the app to the list of prestarted apps that aiui is the list that h-d periodically checks and probably also makes apps restart if user quits them
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22:30.30DocScrutinizerobviously they planned sth like that, but realized they don't need it for the main goal of preloading apps
22:31.42DocScrutinizerso all the bugs and left_outs about X-Maemo-Prestarted=usage  went unnoticed, as it never got used or tested
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22:59.41DocScrutinizer(just don't add) nah, sorry, aiui the list is built and then later on processed. So add those usage apps to the list with a proper flag that they are "usage" not "always", and remove each app from list as soon as it got started if that particular app is a usage app
23:01.30DocScrutinizerapps are added to list here: http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/hildon-desktop/src/launcher/hd-app-mgr.c#1107
23:06.25DocScrutinizerthen  hd_app_mgr_state_check (); calls (cyclic) processing of that list - http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/hildon-desktop/src/launcher/hd-app-mgr.c#1663 is starting apps in that list and should remove apps that are not "always" from the list after starting
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23:15.06DocScrutinizerooops, not really. The whole thing works via org_freedesktop_DBus_start_service_by_name_async() and "%s: Can't prestart an app without service.\n"
23:16.16DocScrutinizerprobably it's hopeless to clean this up, way easier to implement a simple autostart dir executed by a script that gets started form xsession
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