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| 04:22.48 | digistim | hello all. What is the best GPS navigation software available for the n900? |
| 04:23.14 | sat2050 | you can use nokia maps |
| 04:23.16 | sat2050 | but its slow |
| 04:23.19 | sat2050 | try mappero |
| 04:23.22 | digistim | is that Ovi? |
| 04:23.23 | sat2050 | works on google maps |
| 04:23.26 | sat2050 | yes |
| 04:23.49 | sat2050 | mappero has voice navigation as well |
| 04:23.58 | sat2050 | even tho i am unable to figure out the accent |
| 04:23.59 | sat2050 | :P |
| 04:24.21 | digistim | I've been looking around, haven't bought the n900 yet, I have n810. But I drive for work and am considering a Garmin if the n900 navigation isn't up to it |
| 04:24.40 | digistim | I'm seeing mixed reviews for the navigation software, I figured I'd ask |
| 04:26.06 | digistim | Thanks, I'll look into mappero! I'm one of the poor souls that purchased Wayfinder Navigator on the n810 and was dumped |
| 04:26.18 | dm8tbr | the N9 navigation is pretty good |
| 04:27.46 | digistim | does n9 have similar features to n900? I like the hackability of the n810 |
| 04:27.48 | sat2050 | i like mappero |
| 04:28.27 | sat2050 | i dont hv much info on the meego platform |
| 04:28.37 | dm8tbr | it doesn't have a keyboard, but the onscreen kbd is very good |
| 04:28.43 | sat2050 | lol |
| 04:28.58 | sat2050 | then its nothing like n900 |
| 04:29.02 | digistim | ovi maps is slow? |
| 04:29.12 | dm8tbr | and the n9 is essentially still a maemo phone |
| 04:29.49 | sat2050 | @digstim yes it takes time to start |
| 04:29.57 | digistim | maemo-mapper on n810 was ok...required internet connection for routing and map tile downloads. Mappero is any better? |
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| 04:30.45 | sat2050 | mappero is maemo-mapper |
| 04:30.56 | sat2050 | i think upgraded version or something like that |
| 04:32.03 | digistim | I love my n810, but I'm debating n900 or something running android |
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| 04:33.04 | digistim | Yea, the website for mappero says it is new maemo mapper |
| 04:33.05 | sat2050 | n900 is a nice machine |
| 04:33.08 | sat2050 | with raw power |
| 04:33.43 | digistim | I may end up just getting the n900 for everything except navigation, and get a garmin for dedicated GPS |
| 04:35.52 | digistim | n900 is kind of what I've always dreamed the n770 was when I first saw it. I wasn't able to afford one until the n810 came out, but I've loved the linux flavored device since I heard about the n770 |
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| 04:36.18 | digistim | which battery? |
| 04:36.43 | sat20501 | phone battery |
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| 07:49.32 | edheldil | Hi, anyone using PySide + phonon? I can't get audioOutput.setVolume(...) or .setMuted() work, it's always playing on full volume |
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| 07:51.41 | MohammadAG | why not use QtMultimediaKit? |
| 07:51.55 | MohammadAG | (which seems to work fine for me) |
| 07:54.16 | edheldil | MohammadAG: unless there was a new release, at least the python bindings were neutered - there was no *Player class or whatever it's called |
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| 07:55.32 | edheldil | I have submitted that as http://bugs.pyside.org/show_bug.cgi?id=885 |
| 07:55.33 | povbot | 04Bug 885: Certman tutorial seems to have wrongly formatted stuff |
| 07:55.43 | MohammadAG | edheldil, afaik there are Qt Mobility pyside bindings |
| 07:56.04 | woldrich | povbot, source |
| 07:56.05 | povbot | woldrich: My source is at http://supybot.com/ |
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| 07:58.28 | edheldil | MohammadAG: are there now? They were missing about 3 months ago |
| 07:58.28 | edheldil | or are they only in extras-devel or cssu? |
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| 10:07.44 | DocScrutinizer | Sony hack reloaded - haha |
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| 10:10.30 | DocScrutinizer | edheldil: when I say phonon makes me vomit, you bet I got a perspective to better that unbearable urge ;-D |
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| 10:13.41 | DocScrutinizer | and no, cssu is unlikely to provide missing python bindings. They can go to extras(-devel) which by definition rules them out for CSSU |
| 10:14.24 | DocScrutinizer | CSSU is complementary, not alternative |
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| 10:19.05 | DocScrutinizer | umm that's probably a pretty puzzling statement. I meant: CSSU can use all the stuff from extras(-devel) and stock, except those things that CSSU is all about which are *replacements* of fremantle-metapackage components that introduce further issues and thus can't be done without massive meddling with the whole pkg dependencies, system config etc |
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| 10:23.25 | DocScrutinizer | python bindings seem to be no part of fremantle-metapackage, so they don't need CSSU and thus won't go to CSSU |
| 10:28.14 | edheldil | DocScrutinizer: I am really trying to get python multimediakit work, but it's pita - now some opython import segfault. Allegedly a 'rebuild' should fix it, but of what? And how? ... Phonon might suck, but *if* it at least somehow worked, it would be rather more practical solution |
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| 10:29.53 | edheldil | I mean: python -c "from QtMobility import Sensors" ... Segmentation fault |
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| 10:38.02 | DocScrutinizer | hmmm |
| 10:39.37 | DocScrutinizer | sounds like either a error in usage (pebkac) or a severe bug that usually should get fixed by package maintainer in less than a week |
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| 10:41.03 | DocScrutinizer | (don't get me started about QTM-sensors, it seems to have some other way more severe basic design flaws) |
| 10:41.52 | DocScrutinizer | (buzzword polling, missing root handlers) |
| 10:44.05 | DocScrutinizer | general advice: if sth doesn't work, it's better to reduce abstraction level rather than adding another layer on top |
| 10:45.49 | DocScrutinizer | random example: if sth can't get done in c, you don't try to interface to a c++ object to get it done, rather you consider implementing that function in assembler |
| 10:49.22 | DocScrutinizer | and when python has no working bindings to generic audio, it feels really odd to add another layer of abstraction and use phonon, then complain that this added layer also is missing versatility |
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| 10:54.57 | bindi | so uhm |
| 10:55.04 | bindi | why doesn't mobile hotspot work? :< |
| 10:55.23 | bindi | i press start, and the button changes to "stop" |
| 10:55.33 | bindi | but i can't find it on another phone |
| 11:02.33 | ruskie | bindi, uses ad-hoc mode iirc |
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| 11:19.17 | DocScrutinizer | yup. and might need PK |
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| 11:23.45 | hobbitme | http://www.usedbarcodescanner.com |
| 11:24.08 | ruskie | yay for spam |
| 11:31.42 | edheldil | DocScrutinizer: for me the problem with phonon is that something that is expected to work (setMuted()) does not. It might be my local setup or something I miss, but so far I haven't found anything. |
| 11:33.57 | edheldil | There might be better solutions, but what's their use if they are hard to get working? MultimediaKit is worthless, if nobody has it installed. Or is there something else? |
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| 11:35.48 | edheldil | And do not get distracted with sensors, I do not use them, that was just an example of what broke after installing python qtm12 :). Pebkac it might be, but it's also in a bugreport which was closed with cryptic hints on something that has to be somehow rebuilt |
| 11:38.27 | MohammadAG | edheldil, it's a simple dependency |
| 11:40.30 | edheldil | sorry, I was venting my frustration :( |
| 11:48.41 | edheldil | anyway, after upgrades to qtm12 I get the segfault above :( |
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| 11:49.42 | edheldil | MohammadAG: dependency on what package, btw? |
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| 14:59.15 | vilociraptor | i installed opera like 2 days back, and just now I got a notification that there is an update available for that |
| 14:59.26 | vilociraptor | is opera still developing for maemo this means? |
| 15:00.54 | chem|st | vilociraptor: you don't need to develop for maemo, you just need the build tool form the platform or wrapping once and you can build your mobile oriented program against any update |
| 15:01.30 | vilociraptor | hmm |
| 15:01.53 | vilociraptor | so they must have that for multiple platforms? and we benefit from thats also |
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| 15:02.22 | chem|st | guess so, I doubt they explicitly devel for maemo |
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| 15:03.42 | vilociraptor | yea i was thinking that too |
| 15:03.51 | vilociraptor | but if they do its very nice of them hehe |
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| 15:22.29 | flux | hmm, maybe it's just me, but how do I set the time of day of n900, when I don't have a SIM card in? |
| 15:22.54 | flux | I try pressing the time of day in the clock app, but the time zone, date and time settings are grayed out |
| 15:24.56 | flux | ('date' as root solved this) |
| 15:38.57 | DocScrutinizer | settings -> time and language -> time and date -> "automatic time update": off, time -> <set time> |
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| 15:44.07 | timeless | flux: out of curiosity, what language does your device speak? |
| 15:44.30 | timeless | has slightly different text and was wondering if the text would be easier or harder for someone to understand |
| 15:45.23 | DocScrutinizer | ooops, that's been for N950/HARM |
| 15:45.39 | DocScrutinizer | for N900/fremantle though it's not that much different |
| 15:46.54 | DocScrutinizer | the common "trick" is to uncheck "automatic time update" |
| 15:47.07 | timeless | DocScrutinizer: remember i have my own localization |
| 15:47.16 | timeless | i don't think your path is particularly wrong |
| 15:47.22 | timeless | well time and language doesn't exist as such |
| 15:47.33 | timeless | and time and date might or might not have had an & instead of "and" |
| 15:48.09 | timeless | (who remembers, they randomly mixed & and and :) |
| 15:48.21 | jargon- | can .mkv videos be played on the n900 in freemantle? |
| 15:48.22 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: moo |
| 15:48.29 | javispedro | hi there DocScrutinizer |
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| 16:05.49 | flux | timeless, english? |
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| 16:06.45 | timeless | US or UK ? :) |
| 16:07.06 | timeless | also are you using the latest nokia release or the community update? |
| 16:07.57 | flux | UK. but no, I'm not :) |
| 16:12.16 | timeless | you're using neither latest nokia nor the community update? |
| 16:12.19 | timeless | trembles in fear |
| 16:12.41 | Pieplay | Hi |
| 16:13.59 | Pieplay | can someone tell me if there is a secondary menu index list (default : /etc/xdg/menus/hildon.menu) |
| 16:14.21 | Pieplay | this one does not contain all app entries |
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| 16:16.05 | ShadowJK | Opera seems like someone who makes actual good code :-) |
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| 16:18.35 | Jaffa | Pieplay: "secondary"? |
| 16:19.20 | Jaffa | Pieplay: Assuming you don't have anything like MyMenu, ApFeMo, Catorise or ``Catorise "PLUS"'' installed; that's it but it includes all the .desktop files in /usr/share/applications/hildon as well |
| 16:19.39 | Pieplay | Oh wait I figured out that the rest is alphabetic to the contents of the /usr/share/applications/hildon/ dir |
| 16:20.17 | Pieplay | i'm just gonna add my launcher with program parameters there |
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| 17:58.40 | Pieplay | how does maemo look for app icons |
| 18:06.47 | timeless | thinks that's covered on the wiki |
| 18:07.42 | DocScrutinizer | is it? |
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| 19:35.51 | Zer0cool | hello peeps |
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| 20:07.24 | luke-jr | is it at all viable to do SIP over 2G? |
| 20:07.34 | luke-jr | T-Mobile's pissed me off for the last time |
| 20:08.16 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr not really |
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| 20:08.27 | SpeedEvil | 2G generally has a ping of ~1s + |
| 20:08.37 | SpeedEvil | And 64kbits bandwidth tops |
| 20:08.41 | SpeedEvil | (unless it's 2.5) |
| 20:09.46 | crashanddie | that is, when the bloody operator doesn't block all ICMP |
| 20:10.08 | luke-jr | ew :/ |
| 20:10.28 | crashanddie | (Which, by the way, is horrible when you try to connect to a server that doesn't exist, or when the connection is refused or anything) |
| 20:10.28 | luke-jr | so I'm screwed with getting new T-Mobile service? |
| 20:10.34 | luke-jr | those jerks just deactivated mine again |
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| 20:11.06 | crashanddie | Oh, and by the way, did you guys know that TCP/IP TTL is actually measured in seconds? |
| 20:11.52 | luke-jr | ugh |
| 20:12.02 | luke-jr | AT&T idiots don't have data plans with SIM cards |
| 20:12.03 | crashanddie | i.e.: if an IP datagram arrives on a router with a TTL of 100, and remains in buffers for 3 seconds, when it leaves it's supposed to have a TTL of 97 (or 96, depending on what manufacturer you're talking to). |
| 20:12.28 | crashanddie | I had always been taught that TTL was just the number of hops. |
| 20:12.52 | luke-jr | why would it remain in the buffer at all? |
| 20:12.58 | crashanddie | And was quite flabbergasted when I heard about it |
| 20:13.05 | crashanddie | luke-jr, saturated network card? |
| 20:13.40 | luke-jr | crashanddie: so if my pings are always under 1 second, why does TTL decrement at all? ;) |
| 20:14.11 | luke-jr | AT&T can't tell me if they support IPv6 |
| 20:14.12 | luke-jr | n00bs |
| 20:14.20 | crashanddie | because your device isn't aware of TTL, unless it expires. |
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| 20:17.41 | kirma | crashanddie: yes, it's technically measured in seconds according to original RFC. I think that requirement was dropped on another RFC long ago, and nowadays it's rather "a router-role device should decrement TTL by at least 1" ... basically |
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| 20:18.04 | crashanddie | kirma, that's what I thought as well, but it's not. |
| 20:18.39 | kirma | only required functionality of TTL anyway has always been that packets don't loop through active routing |
| 20:18.53 | crashanddie | indeed |
| 20:19.06 | kirma | nothing really relies on second-based decrements |
| 20:19.43 | crashanddie | rely on it, indeed (not many applications "rely" on IP TTL anyway), but still act accordingly |
| 20:20.03 | crashanddie | (we tried it on a cisco gateway, and a number of audiocodes that we can program) |
| 20:20.08 | kirma | it's thankful that there are no drastic dependencies, since with some more hairy network traffic, not being able to decrement more than one would also open... issues |
| 20:20.26 | crashanddie | eh? |
| 20:20.33 | crashanddie | "not being able to decrement more than one"? |
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| 20:22.03 | kirma | unfortunately biggest use beyond traceroute that TTL provides is really interesting abuse of middlebox - host distinction for IP stacks |
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| 20:22.39 | crashanddie | you mean that every OS defaults to a different TTL number? |
| 20:23.56 | kirma | I mean that middleboxes can't typically make assumptions of hops from them to target stack, and in specific scenarios, this can cause middleboxes to interpret traffic differently from target host stacks (which potentially see no packet at all) |
| 20:24.45 | crashanddie | I'm not a network guy, so you completely lost me on that one :) |
| 20:27.03 | kirma | let's say that TCP and IP protocol design decisions alone, and especially augmented with design decisions of various vendors can make "unorthodox" TCP/IP traffic be seen in very strange ways on middleboxes |
| 20:27.25 | luke-jr | how about another approach? |
| 20:27.34 | luke-jr | is it possible to bypass "SIM Card Registration Failed"? |
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| 20:27.44 | luke-jr | maybe with the open source drivers? |
| 20:28.01 | kirma | not really anything new, known for at least a decade, but it amazes how hopeless many middlebox (especially non-firewalls) still are |
| 20:29.57 | kirma | but then again: what can you do if you have no certain knowledge of number of hops to a target host, |
| 20:31.09 | kirma | I'd call IP TTL in combination with some other IP features a design error, but I'm not surprised it wasn't thought out to the end like over three decades ago |
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| 21:17.43 | luke-jr | how about Simple Mobile? |
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