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| 11:21.05 | DocScrutinizer | and moo |
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| 11:30.08 | DocScrutinizer | Sicelo: (btter with APN) definitely, at least when PSM works and is at max |
| 11:30.41 | Sicelo | ah, thanks for info. i didn't want to buy apn and be disappointed :) |
| 11:31.39 | DocScrutinizer | not all APN support PSM properly |
| 11:32.07 | DocScrutinizer | alas no way to tell them apart, even a FW-update can change this |
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| 11:33.06 | DocScrutinizer | my D-Link DIR615 seems to work reasonably well with PSM @ max, but it's crap in a lot of other aspects |
| 11:34.24 | DocScrutinizer | for mere APN it was OK'ish though - the stinky corners are mostly around DHCP and router functions |
| 11:35.28 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: more like a switch with a bridge and a lable reading "router" |
| 11:36.14 | DocScrutinizer | :nod: |
| 11:36.44 | chem|st | hate it |
| 11:37.19 | DocScrutinizer | and no openWRT FW for the D3 hw rev |
| 11:37.21 | DocScrutinizer | :-/ |
| 11:37.45 | chem|st | that is the precondition for me buying a router |
| 11:38.06 | DocScrutinizer | this one been a "gift" |
| 11:38.20 | chem|st | cablecompany... |
| 11:38.38 | DocScrutinizer | ...of a friend |
| 11:39.12 | DocScrutinizer | "Joerg, what for do I need this one?" |
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| 11:40.20 | DocScrutinizer | "Doro, feel happy - you don't need it at all :-)" |
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| 11:41.29 | DocScrutinizer | swapped it for a HÃ scanjet that had no linux drivers |
| 11:41.59 | DocScrutinizer | <---idiot - buys scanner without checking linux hw compatibility list |
| 11:43.17 | Arkenoi | are there non-networked scanners still? |
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| 11:43.31 | DocScrutinizer | more than networked ones |
| 11:43.56 | DocScrutinizer | same crap as those GDI-printers |
| 11:44.30 | DocScrutinizer | the windows "driver" probably sends the control states for each of the 3 coils of each stepper motor |
| 11:44.56 | RST38h | Sounds pretty hackable |
| 11:45.34 | SpeedEvil | I chose a better way. |
| 11:45.41 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: well, hacking it is how linux gets all its drivers for crippled hw, no? |
| 11:45.50 | SpeedEvil | Pick a printer that supports printing JPG from card. |
| 11:46.00 | SpeedEvil | Print all things to the card, then pop in printer. |
| 11:46.01 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
| 11:46.10 | DocScrutinizer | LOL |
| 11:46.33 | SpeedEvil | In principle, there is a linux driver, but it has too many dependancies that would mean I need to swap out my system entirely, or deeply understand the driver. |
| 11:46.49 | DocScrutinizer | my HP laserjet P1505 works jusr fine though |
| 11:47.40 | DocScrutinizer | only nasty: a zombie python process lingers on for ever |
| 11:47.51 | DocScrutinizer | :-P |
| 11:47.54 | DocScrutinizer | hplip |
| 11:49.16 | DocScrutinizer | well, iirc I had to bang it quite a bit to get it to work - like changing permissions and/or groups of some devices etc |
| 11:50.06 | DocScrutinizer | (probably running permissions-relaxed would've done as well) |
| 11:51.25 | DocScrutinizer | I'm no aegis fan, but I never thought setting global permissions policy to "relaxed" is a particularly good idea either |
| 11:51.34 | crashanddie | http://eatliver.com/img/2011/7775.jpg |
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| 11:54.09 | DocScrutinizer | hehe |
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| 11:57.07 | DocScrutinizer | though sheep or cows were more like it, rather than pigs |
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| 11:58.52 | gri | lemmings |
| 11:59.09 | DocScrutinizer | lemmings have rather small ROI |
| 11:59.20 | gri | ROI? |
| 11:59.37 | DocScrutinizer | if you were ever to farm them |
| 12:00.01 | DocScrutinizer | never heard of lemming farms |
| 12:00.15 | DocScrutinizer | ~roi |
| 12:00.16 | infobot | methinks roi is Return On Investment, usually used to describe one's own interpretation of a pragmatic solution, or just plain hedonism. Also could mean "Rate Of Interest" in banking terms. |
| 12:00.47 | gri | I meant lemmings in a way of "all do the same without thinking about it" (like the cliche of lemmings is) |
| 12:00.48 | DocScrutinizer | meh |
| 12:00.50 | jaska | also a finnish dog name |
| 12:00.54 | DocScrutinizer | ~factinfo roi |
| 12:00.54 | infobot | roi -- created by Thrae <n=generalm@c-68-49-121-90.hsd1.md.comcast.net> at Tue Aug 14 02:38:46 2007 (1504 days); it has been requested 3 times, last by DocScrutinizer, 39s ago. |
| 12:01.02 | jaska | roi that is |
| 12:01.03 | DocScrutinizer | been no banker |
| 12:01.53 | DocScrutinizer | ~wtf roi |
| 12:02.02 | DocScrutinizer | ~dict roi |
| 12:02.11 | DocScrutinizer | wtf?! |
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| 12:03.02 | DocScrutinizer | ~lart miriam webster |
| 12:03.02 | infobot | farts in miriam webster's general direction |
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| 12:05.09 | DocScrutinizer | ~lart-tmo-lemming |
| 12:05.09 | infobot | lart-tmo-lemming is, like, http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/posting |
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| 13:23.20 | penguinbait | what happened to LCUK??? |
| 13:23.56 | SpeedEvil | He's no longer with us. |
| 13:24.10 | penguinbait | wtf happened??? how can this be? |
| 13:24.30 | SpeedEvil | He apparantly took his own life. |
| 13:25.00 | SpeedEvil | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=76737 |
| 13:25.11 | SpeedEvil | (and yes, his client is still up) |
| 13:25.17 | penguinbait | oh my god, |
| 13:25.48 | SpeedEvil | So many awesome ideas. So much energy. |
| 13:26.27 | DocScrutinizer | damn, I wonder why his client is back again, I thought freenode staff Christel took care about it |
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| 14:34.52 | ruskie | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/09/26/verizon_wireless_backs_samsung_vs_apple_on_us_front/ <-- lol |
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| 15:27.25 | SpeedEvil | ruskie: neat |
| 15:28.01 | SpeedEvil | Hangon - is n9-00 not something else? |
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| 17:25.58 | ZogG | In April I wrote to inform you of an agreement by which |
| 17:25.59 | ZogG | Texas Instruments would purchase National Semiconductor. |
| 17:25.59 | ZogG | Today, I'm happy to report, we have closed the deal, making |
| 17:25.59 | ZogG | Texas Instruments and National one company. |
| 17:33.23 | javispedro | yeah, saw that on the mail too... |
| 17:33.43 | javispedro | astonishing they'd let such a deal through. |
| 17:34.00 | javispedro | thought probably these companies are nowhere near as large today as they where years ago... |
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| 17:35.20 | acidspunk | cool, there's also a maemo channel :p |
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| 17:39.20 | Sicelo | :P |
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| 17:41.57 | Sicelo | for me, #maemo was the first channel i joined |
| 17:42.24 | acidspunk | I came here from meego.com |
| 17:42.49 | acidspunk | it joined #meego automatically |
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| 18:05.19 | DocScrutinizer | what, NS bought by TI? :-S |
| 18:05.30 | RST38h | yes, so? |
| 18:05.53 | DocScrutinizer | just don't like |
| 18:06.46 | DocScrutinizer | don't get me wrong, TI always made nice chips |
| 18:07.46 | DocScrutinizer | and also every now and then they had proper docs *available* for those |
| 18:08.10 | DocScrutinizer | just one player down isn't a good thing in this game |
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| 18:10.55 | RST38h | Doc: Lots of things not to like lately. Many more to come. |
| 18:11.08 | RST38h | Anyway, I have got a more practical problem: |
| 18:11.19 | RST38h | swipe-down does not quit my application. |
| 18:11.42 | RST38h | sends it to task manager screen. the first attempt to bring it back upkills it. |
| 18:11.54 | RST38h | The app is written in plain qt. Any ideas??? |
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| 18:23.43 | SpeedEvil | RST38h: I noticed that a landscape locked app (angry birds) in portrait mode swipes left to exit |
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| 18:30.22 | DocScrutinizer | HAHAHA |
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| 18:31.11 | DocScrutinizer | dang, (apart from this being #maemo) that swipe-to-close thing could almost make me update to beta2 |
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| 18:33.33 | DocScrutinizer | but given all the other (subjective) shortcomings of N950, I'm not exactly concerned about this annoying heaping up of open windows for each nonsense you have to momentarily mess with (settings, whatnot) |
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| 18:34.11 | DocScrutinizer | makes for a nice windows6 feeling at very least |
| 18:34.38 | DocScrutinizer | :-( X-P |
| 18:36.05 | DocScrutinizer | to me it looks like they only picked the top of the pile for each bad stupid regression they implemented into maemo6, coming from a really progressive maemo5 |
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| 18:37.02 | Sc0rpius | swipe-to-close is a Meego thing? |
| 18:37.42 | DocScrutinizer | no c&p: picked from *old* iOS. No closing of windows: err win6, or andridiot? Strict signatures to lock down the whole system to store: apple |
| 18:39.15 | DocScrutinizer | slotmachine date/time-pickers: not really a regression from maemo5, only a BAD regression from MTF to QML |
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| 18:56.31 | doc|home | http://www.slashgear.com/nokias-cto-swap-could-be-its-turning-point-22181856/ |
| 18:56.43 | doc|home | rearranging the deckchairs on the titanic or potentially useful? |
| 18:56.49 | DocScrutinizer | could be? |
| 18:57.46 | doc|home | not likely to change the OS direction away from meego though, is it? |
| 18:58.01 | doc|home | hmmm, that was badly phrased |
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| 19:25.54 | MohammadAG | <SpeedEvil> RST38h: I noticed that a landscape locked app (angry birds) in portrait mode swipes left to exit |
| 19:25.58 | MohammadAG | it's swipe down with top up |
| 19:26.07 | MohammadAG | meaning, with the orientation of the app |
| 19:26.17 | MohammadAG | so it's swipe down with the device in landscape |
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| 19:32.06 | beford | hey MohammadAG, just wanted to say thanks for the work you are doing on the Maemo Community SSU :) |
| 19:32.34 | MohammadAG | you're welcome, but I'm not the only one :) |
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| 19:33.50 | beford | :p |
| 19:36.41 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: anyway yo da man to get out a stable release RSN ;-D |
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| 19:38.16 | DocScrutinizer | I hate to read/hear statements like "CSSU isn't for the fainthearted" |
| 19:39.00 | DocScrutinizer | actually meanwhile CSSU should be for those who worry about lacking security patches and unfixed bugs in stock maemo |
| 19:39.29 | DocScrutinizer | and for what I can tell from my POV it indeed is |
| 19:44.02 | DocScrutinizer | the changelog has quite a number of severe bugs fixed in CSSU. E.G. the CPU hog bug on short appstarter menu in H-D, which kills your battery and you dunno why. OR the fixed diginotar cert issue |
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| 19:45.10 | DocScrutinizer | and I heard of no severe new issues in recent CSSU for a few weeks now, so I think it's just about time to fork out a stable branch right now |
| 19:48.08 | ShadowJK | does cssu require power-kernel? |
| 19:48.38 | Sicelo | thinks not |
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| 19:49.04 | DocScrutinizer | nope |
| 19:49.44 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: how could it, it's about continuation of stock maemo by community |
| 19:50.38 | DocScrutinizer | though, if there was a severe kernel bug, CSSU would probably ship with a new "stock" kernel |
| 19:51.24 | beford | but I think CSSU kernel enabled some missing stuff from stock maemo, right? ipv6 ie |
| 19:51.26 | DocScrutinizer | it's debatable haw much of PK would qualify for a stock-compatible kernel to ship with CSSU |
| 19:51.56 | DocScrutinizer | afaik there is no such thing like a CSSU kernel - I might be wrong |
| 19:52.34 | DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# uname -a |
| 19:52.36 | DocScrutinizer | Linux IroN900 2.6.28-omap1 #1 PREEMPT Fri Aug 6 11:50:00 EEST 2010 armv7l GNU/Linux |
| 19:52.39 | DocScrutinizer | ^^^CSSU |
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| 19:53.26 | MOUD | Hey all |
| 19:53.36 | Cor-Ai | no |
| 19:53.39 | MOUD | how can I save my contacts to my SIM card? |
| 19:53.44 | Cor-Ai | oh, wrong window sry |
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| 19:54.34 | beford | not sure where I read that though, I could be wrong too :P |
| 19:57.34 | jacekowski | maemo on N8 would be so nice |
| 19:57.43 | jacekowski | phone itself is great |
| 19:57.45 | Sc0rpius | implying Meego is worse? |
| 19:57.55 | jacekowski | meego wouldn't be so bad as well |
| 19:58.15 | beford | n8 runs symbian Sc0rpius |
| 19:58.25 | acidspunk | symbian is definitely worse. from a user experience perspective at least |
| 19:58.31 | DocScrutinizer | MOUD: no way |
| 19:59.15 | jacekowski | acidspunk: i wouldn't be so sure about that |
| 19:59.40 | jacekowski | acidspunk: maemo user experience is pretty bad |
| 19:59.53 | jacekowski | unless you are very specific user type |
| 20:00.01 | DocScrutinizer | MOUD: your contacts are "rich" means they have loooong names, first name, nick, last name, addr, even photos. SIM has none of that, and max 100 contacts of name[22]:phonenr[18] or sth like that |
| 20:00.02 | kerio | jacekowski: ok, from a nerd experience perspective |
| 20:00.10 | jacekowski | exactly |
| 20:00.18 | jacekowski | but even i need sometimes a phone that works |
| 20:00.20 | Sc0rpius | oh I thought I read N9 |
| 20:00.21 | jacekowski | and makes calls |
| 20:00.25 | kerio | jacekowski: those are cheap |
| 20:00.32 | jacekowski | and lasts more than 1 day on full charge |
| 20:00.36 | kerio | you can probably find one for 30<currency> |
| 20:00.55 | Sc0rpius | having contacts on the SIM card is NOT a good idea |
| 20:00.57 | acidspunk | then get an s40. those things last 2 weeks |
| 20:01.10 | Sc0rpius | if you want to move your contacts from the N900 to another phone, export them |
| 20:01.18 | jacekowski | it's about features you get |
| 20:01.28 | jacekowski | Sc0rpius: i use MfE |
| 20:01.37 | Sc0rpius | I wonder if Google Sync works in the N900 |
| 20:01.50 | jacekowski | somebody said that it does work |
| 20:01.55 | Sc0rpius | it would be nice to sync the contacts with Google |
| 20:02.05 | jacekowski | kerio: thing is that i need MfE and whatnot |
| 20:02.27 | kerio | jacekowski: well buy a laptop |
| 20:02.38 | jacekowski | kerio: laptop doesn't fit in my pocket |
| 20:02.59 | kerio | you have the wrong pockets then |
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| 20:04.00 | MOUD | i see |
| 20:04.16 | DocScrutinizer | MOUD: if you want to edit your sim card, get a simcard-reader, plug it in to your PC, use $arbitrary-acme-simcard-editor app, maybe even use your vcards you exported from N900 to your PC and pick some strings from that abundance if contact info to transfer those to your SIM |
| 20:04.46 | MOUD | i dont have a simcard-reader |
| 20:04.52 | MOUD | but thanks for the info |
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| 20:05.11 | acidspunk | well I guess it all depends on what you're looking for in a phone, but symbian still has some key stuff that are simply sub-par |
| 20:05.20 | acidspunk | like the crap browser |
| 20:05.54 | Sc0rpius | well |
| 20:06.00 | Sc0rpius | a simcard-reader can be an older phone |
| 20:06.02 | Sc0rpius | that you don't use |
| 20:06.04 | jacekowski | acidspunk: what? |
| 20:06.09 | DocScrutinizer | there might be a way to edit SIM card on N900: use the AT interface via pnatd, to edit SIM card. There's gnokii and kandy that could do that, when you patch them |
| 20:06.30 | Sc0rpius | I'm *sure* you can edit the SIM Card through the N900 |
| 20:06.33 | Sc0rpius | but I still think it's not a good idea |
| 20:06.34 | jacekowski | acidspunk: there is opera for symbian |
| 20:06.45 | Sc0rpius | I mean coding the program yourself of course |
| 20:13.46 | acidspunk | jacekowski yeah I know. Still doesn't have flash though. |
| 20:14.33 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: yes - obviously (swipe direction) |
| 20:15.38 | DocScrutinizer | hey, there's no flash for N9 either |
| 20:16.53 | acidspunk | yeah... :/ |
| 20:17.06 | DocScrutinizer | and there's a flash version on maemo5/n900 that has seen 29.7 security bulletins of adobe come and go |
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| 20:18.16 | DocScrutinizer | well, probably not that bad anyway, as browserd on maemo runs ooooops... as root |
| 20:18.16 | Sc0rpius | flash will be just a memory any time now |
| 20:18.23 | Sc0rpius | most sites default to HTML5 now |
| 20:18.44 | Sc0rpius | flash should be killed |
| 20:18.52 | Sc0rpius | we're all making those Adobe bastards millionaires |
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| 20:19.23 | acidspunk | yeah but it's still used a lot |
| 20:19.30 | acidspunk | :/ |
| 20:19.33 | Sc0rpius | it'll die |
| 20:19.49 | Sc0rpius | when something free is better, the expensive propietary counterpart always dies |
| 20:20.02 | Sc0rpius | and HTML5 > Flash |
| 20:21.17 | jacekowski | adobe crap should be running with minimal privileges |
| 20:21.17 | ShadowJK | has google figured out how to delivery ads in html5 youtube yet? |
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| 20:21.28 | derf | ShadowJK: No. |
| 20:21.35 | jacekowski | ShadowJK: embed them into stream |
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| 20:21.52 | derf | They don't want to re-encode everything. |
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| 20:22.10 | derf | What they _want_ is Flash's appendBytes API. |
| 20:22.24 | jacekowski | they don't have to reencode everything |
| 20:22.32 | jacekowski | just add adds before video |
| 20:22.47 | ShadowJK | Also they want to serve different ads depending on where you are and who you are |
| 20:22.57 | jacekowski | not a problem |
| 20:23.00 | SpeedEvil | And how many vids you've watched. |
| 20:23.03 | SpeedEvil | that day |
| 20:23.12 | jacekowski | you just have two streams and you stitch them together |
| 20:23.13 | ShadowJK | And not the same ad each time you view a certain video, etc |
| 20:23.19 | SpeedEvil | I find I almost never hit a video the first couple of things on youtube a day I watch |
| 20:23.37 | ShadowJK | I hit unsolvable captchas first thing every hour :P |
| 20:23.40 | derf | jacekowski: You can't really do that well in HTML5 as it stands today. |
| 20:23.48 | jacekowski | derf: you could |
| 20:23.56 | jacekowski | derf: just send video file with ads already in it |
| 20:24.07 | derf | Yes, that is what they are trying to avoid. |
| 20:24.28 | ShadowJK | what does youtube's html5 side do right now then, just doesn't play any ads, or redirects to flash site, or prevents you from watching the videos that require ads? |
| 20:24.29 | acidspunk | btw wasn't mozilla developing new versions of fennec in qt? |
| 20:24.39 | jacekowski | if you stich it at keyframes you won't have to do any reencoding |
| 20:24.48 | DocScrutinizer | derf: that would allow skipping the add part |
| 20:24.56 | derf | jacekowski: Still requires re-muxing, which is only marginally better. |
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| 20:25.07 | jacekowski | derf: not really |
| 20:25.20 | derf | acidspunk: Yes. |
| 20:25.25 | jacekowski | derf: lot of container formats can even have like two streams one after another |
| 20:25.58 | acidspunk | derf: are there svn builds to try? |
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| 20:27.08 | ShadowJK | matroska has concept of "linked chapters", or something like that. Anime people used to use that feature to have single "intro" and "credits" file for an entire season. Player automagically stitches together on playback. |
| 20:28.47 | derf | acidspunk: svn? Mozilla uses hg. |
| 20:29.04 | derf | ShadowJK: Too bad there's no such thing in WebM or support in browsers. |
| 20:29.33 | derf | You can also make a chained Ogg file. And the only thing on earth that will actually play it is Real's Helix player. |
| 20:30.14 | derf | acidspunk: In any case, you can build with --enable-default-toolkit=cairo-qt |
| 20:31.12 | acidspunk | tks derf |
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| 21:52.32 | Psi | how much power can the n900 port supply in host mode? |
| 21:52.38 | Psi | (usb) |
| 21:52.40 | jacekowski | 200mA it was |
| 21:52.41 | jacekowski | or 300mA |
| 21:52.45 | jacekowski | something like that |
| 21:52.46 | jacekowski | not a lot |
| 21:52.48 | Psi | ok, thanks |
| 21:52.59 | Psi | its a huge amount more than my neo1973 |
| 21:53.01 | Psi | :P |
| 21:53.10 | Psi | 0mA is pretty low |
| 21:53.18 | jacekowski | n8 can supply full 500mA |
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| 22:30.41 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~ping |
| 22:30.41 | infobot | ~pong |
| 22:30.49 | DocScrutinizer51 | Psi: 200 |
| 22:31.21 | DocScrutinizer51 | jacekowski: 500? duh! |
| 22:31.39 | DocScrutinizer51 | as good as Freerunner |
| 22:35.53 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~ping |
| 22:35.53 | infobot | ~pong |
| 22:36.57 | DocScrutinizer51 | haha my provider fails with DHCP/login on 2G |
| 22:37.48 | DocScrutinizer51 | praises statusmenu 2G/3G/dual switcher |
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| 22:44.00 | Macer | blah |
| 22:44.58 | rmitage | hey everyone |
| 22:45.07 | DocScrutinizer51 | blah? |
| 22:46.41 | DocScrutinizer51 | rmitage: hey |
| 22:47.55 | rmitage | lots of people here |
| 22:48.19 | DocScrutinizer51 | a few still, yeah |
| 22:48.35 | HyperSnyper | hi DocScrutinizer |
| 22:48.41 | DocScrutinizer51 | benn >600 at times |
| 22:48.52 | DocScrutinizer51 | hi |
| 22:48.52 | rmitage | wow |
| 22:48.58 | HyperSnyper | i'm still waiting on the n900 to arrive :D |
| 22:48.59 | HyperSnyper | heh |
| 22:49.57 | rmitage | you bought a new one HyperSnyper? |
| 22:50.04 | HyperSnyper | nah refurb |
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| 22:50.42 | rmitage | Is it your first one? |
| 22:50.46 | HyperSnyper | yep |
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| 22:50.57 | HyperSnyper | first "smartphone" aswell |
| 22:51.08 | Sc0rpius | I'm not sure if congratulate you |
| 22:51.09 | HyperSnyper | still going old school with an s40 |
| 22:51.10 | Sc0rpius | :O |
| 22:51.33 | Sc0rpius | if I lose my N900 today I'd wait for an N9 |
| 22:51.33 | rmitage | well the n900 is the smartest one out there :p |
| 22:51.54 | HyperSnyper | well Sc0rpius i didn't pay alot for it |
| 22:51.55 | DocScrutinizer51 | MEH N9 |
| 22:51.55 | Sc0rpius | I still think the N8 should be hacked and some genius out there put some Meego in there |
| 22:52.02 | HyperSnyper | and nowhere near what id guess the N9 will be |
| 22:52.05 | Sc0rpius | u mad DocScrutinizer |
| 22:52.25 | DocScrutinizer51 | oely? |
| 22:52.29 | Sc0rpius | it seems the days of physical keyboards are over :( |
| 22:52.35 | DocScrutinizer51 | r |
| 22:52.39 | rmitage | why? |
| 22:52.51 | rmitage | hardware kb ftw |
| 22:53.13 | Sc0rpius | nobody releases real kb in their phones anymore |
| 22:53.22 | DocScrutinizer51 | I'd not need or worry a hw kbd on a szstem as BS as harmattan |
| 22:53.30 | Sc0rpius | heh |
| 22:53.33 | Sc0rpius | you think Maemo was/is better? |
| 22:53.36 | Sc0rpius | as in Maemo5 |
| 22:53.37 | rmitage | also, people seem to be having trouble with aegis |
| 22:53.51 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~aegis |
| 22:53.51 | infobot | http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Harmattan:Developer_Library/Developing_for_Harmattan/Harmattan_security/Security_guide , or "The purpose of this framework is: ... to make sure that the platform meets the requirements set by third party software that requires a safe execution environment.", or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Computing#Criticism, or http://en.qi-hardware.com/w/images/1/10/ME_382_LockedUpTechnology2.gif |
| 22:55.29 | rmitage | you can check the discussion about aegin on the meego.com forums |
| 22:55.42 | rmitage | *aegis |
| 22:56.32 | HyperSnyper | DocScrutinizer51 ok tpm ? |
| 22:56.40 | HyperSnyper | *to pm |
| 22:57.16 | DocScrutinizer51 | well, if you absolutely need that |
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| 23:00.04 | DocScrutinizer51 | last state abot airodump? |
| 23:00.45 | DocScrutinizer51 | works with stock kernel or needs PK/special-driver for wifi? |
| 23:02.45 | DocScrutinizer51 | HyperSnyper: check repos for aircrack |
| 23:03.19 | HyperSnyper | will do when i can ;P |
| 23:03.21 | HyperSnyper | thxs |
| 23:03.28 | rmitage | what's aerodump? one of those packet sniffing thingies? |
| 23:03.52 | rmitage | airodump i mean |
| 23:03.57 | DocScrutinizer51 | yep |
| 23:04.11 | DocScrutinizer51 | the sniffing part of aircrack |
| 23:04.29 | rmitage | does that stuff actually work? |
| 23:04.35 | DocScrutinizer51 | yes |
| 23:04.46 | DocScrutinizer51 | might need powerkernel |
| 23:05.02 | HyperSnyper | how risky is changing kernel's ? |
| 23:05.16 | DocScrutinizer51 | as there's been a bug so wifi worked only on chan 6 |
| 23:05.33 | HyperSnyper | also is there a "system backup/system image" i should do when phone arrives before i start trying to break it |
| 23:05.38 | HyperSnyper | or just reflash when/if that happens |
| 23:05.44 | DocScrutinizer51 | very low risk, if you do proper backups first |
| 23:05.52 | DocScrutinizer51 | use backupmenu |
| 23:06.51 | DocScrutinizer51 | THE backup utility app |
| 23:07.10 | HyperSnyper | ok |
| 23:08.00 | DocScrutinizer51 | it does full images on boot time |
| 23:08.25 | DocScrutinizer51 | not like the builtin backup app by nokia |
| 23:11.04 | DocScrutinizer51 | HyperSnyper: just never dare to unintall a kernel. doesnt ork on any unix ;-) |
| 23:12.01 | DocScrutinizer51 | HyperSnyper: just never dare to uninstall a kernel. doesn't work on any unix ;-) |
| 23:12.32 | HyperSnyper | i'll try remember that one :P |
| 23:12.45 | rmitage | hope you get one of the good ones HyperSnyper. Some are more overclockable than others :p |
| 23:12.54 | HyperSnyper | oh ? |
| 23:13.31 | HyperSnyper | wasn't really thinking about overclockin to be honest |
| 23:13.40 | Kilroo1 | Yeah, mine is pretty stable at 850 but if I try to push it any higher it seems to get upset. |
| 23:14.13 | DocScrutinizer51 | deprecates OC |
| 23:14.46 | rmitage | well, overclocking has benefits, especially if you're into gaming |
| 23:15.10 | Kilroo1 | I really ought to get another one, though, as a backup...even the 950 is capacative, so the chances of my ever finding a suitable replacement seem a bit slim... |
| 23:15.12 | ShadowJK | If you're a linux user/hacker from before, also beware that the classic "apt-get update ; apt-get dist-upgrade" is likely to blow away large chunks of the system and make the device unbootable ;) |
| 23:15.32 | DocScrutinizer51 | 25% more are never worth the bad feeling you might have fried it |
| 23:15.38 | HyperSnyper | thats very good to know.... |
| 23:16.14 | ShadowJK | Also, the cake^Wfstab is a lie |
| 23:16.26 | HyperSnyper | ShadowJK just to know "unbootable" = bircked ? |
| 23:16.27 | Kilroo1 | Maybe I'll feel adventurous again soon and try to follow one of the confusing sets of instructions for getting nitdroid to u-boot. |
| 23:16.29 | HyperSnyper | or just would need reflash |
| 23:16.34 | ShadowJK | reflash |
| 23:17.21 | rmitage | has anyone ever actually managed to fry the n900 from overclocking? |
| 23:17.31 | DocScrutinizer51 | HyperSnyper: you can't brick OMAP devices, unless you OC |
| 23:17.43 | ShadowJK | It takes serious effort to truly brick it. Although sometimes you can be fooled, because flashing doesn't work if battery is low, and battery charging does not charge sufficiently if OS doesn't boot. |
| 23:17.50 | HyperSnyper | good to know |
| 23:17.56 | HyperSnyper | i managed to brick a dreambox |
| 23:18.02 | DocScrutinizer51 | rmitage: several reports |
| 23:18.02 | HyperSnyper | that took a fair bit of effort |
| 23:18.03 | HyperSnyper | :P |
| 23:18.50 | ShadowJK | rmitage, fried CPU mostly manifests in the form of "Third time THIS WEEK N900 corrupted my filesystem, I'm done!!!" type rants :P |
| 23:18.58 | DocScrutinizer51 | OMAP has romboot and coldflash |
| 23:19.20 | HyperSnyper | ShadowJK so can't flash if battery is low and can't charge if can't boot... |
| 23:19.24 | rmitage | oh ok |
| 23:19.25 | HyperSnyper | what do u do then.. |
| 23:19.38 | DocScrutinizer51 | HyperSnyper: exactly |
| 23:19.52 | HyperSnyper | buys external battery charger |
| 23:19.58 | ShadowJK | exactly :-) |
| 23:20.25 | DocScrutinizer51 | you'll love N900 |
| 23:20.41 | rmitage | I'm more worried about the usb port breaking tbqh :p |
| 23:20.46 | Kilroo1 | The fact that the n900 requires battery power to enter charging mode does get some WTF reactions sometimes. |
| 23:20.54 | HyperSnyper | yeh that scare me aswell rmitage |
| 23:21.17 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~usbfix |
| 23:21.17 | infobot | i guess usbfix is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater) |
| 23:21.23 | ShadowJK | Kilroo1, not exactly true though |
| 23:21.45 | Kilroo1 | Oh? |
| 23:21.46 | DocScrutinizer51 | Kilroo1: not true |
| 23:22.10 | pigeon | is there somewhere i could see the console output of browser or browserd on the n900? |
| 23:22.15 | DocScrutinizer51 | Kilroo1: it needs battery power to *flash* |
| 23:22.21 | Kilroo1 | Okay, explain the correct wording of the phenomenon I was describing then. |
| 23:22.26 | HyperSnyper | anyhow pizza time |
| 23:22.27 | ShadowJK | Kilroo1, the hardware will charge a battery sufficiently to boot, after which the hardware will boot the device and hand over control to software. If software isn't there/working, no more charging. |
| 23:22.34 | HyperSnyper | thxs for the words of advice so far people |
| 23:22.36 | HyperSnyper | bbiab |
| 23:22.43 | Kilroo1 | If the battery is all the way dead, the n900 cannot charge it and an external charger is required. |
| 23:22.46 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~flatbatrecover |
| 23:22.46 | infobot | Remove battery for 1 minute. Insert battery. Plug powered Nokia wallcharger to device. Watch steady amber. Let sit and charge. Do NOT try to boot. After 30 min, you got either a) a booted up N900, b) flashing amber which means you can boot, c) steady amber going off - in this case start over again with ~flatbatrecover |
| 23:23.16 | Kilroo1 | Ah. |
| 23:23.58 | DocScrutinizer51 | if your rootfs is fucked, you are in trouble |
| 23:24.00 | rmitage | can't wait to try the new version of meego ce |
| 23:24.11 | rmitage | might have to buy a card though |
| 23:24.20 | ShadowJK | definitely |
| 23:24.23 | Kilroo1 | I had never heard that before, and the closest analog I tried was with the usb cable instead of the wall charger, I think. If not, then I got c and didn't try repeating it. |
| 23:25.36 | DocScrutinizer51 | you need wallcharger, PC charging doesn't work for flatbatrecover |
| 23:26.18 | ShadowJK | My spare N900 charged and booted a battery after sitting "dead" for several months. The battery had degraded alot from sitting empty, but it still successfully charged and booted it. That battery's health is about doubly worse than what I'd consider time to replace battery at :-) |
| 23:27.08 | Kilroo1 | I think I'm actually more annoyed by finding out there is a workaround after already buying an external charger in case of flatbat than I was when I found out I needed the external charger (which was, to the best of my knowledge, conventional wisdom at the time). |
| 23:27.55 | Kilroo1 | Oh well. |
| 23:28.12 | DocScrutinizer51 | sounds like heritage knowledge from OM Freerunner |
| 23:29.11 | Kilroo1 | What does? |
| 23:29.25 | DocScrutinizer51 | even there A7 version was able to boot without any bat, also half of the A6 could |
| 23:29.56 | Kilroo1 | I wouldn't know about that. The information I found was specific to the n900. |
| 23:30.09 | DocScrutinizer51 | but OM FR had not real hw flatbatrecover |
| 23:30.22 | Kilroo1 | Couldn't begin to recall whether it came from IRC, TMO, or someone's blog, though. |
| 23:30.51 | DocScrutinizer51 | it came from a noob no matter what ;-P |
| 23:31.29 | rmitage | speaking of tmo what's with all the spamming lately... jeez |
| 23:31.44 | DocScrutinizer51 | meh |
| 23:31.50 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~tmo |
| 23:31.50 | infobot | i heard tmo is http://talk.maemo.org, or trolls, morons, oxes |
| 23:32.02 | rmitage | looool |
| 23:32.04 | Kilroo1 | Four or five noobs at least. I didn't believe there was no workaround until it had been corroborated by several sources. |
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| 23:33.17 | DocScrutinizer51 | Kilroo1: I RE'd the charging in N900 more than a year ago. Since then it's known |
| 23:33.40 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~factinfo flatbatrecover |
| 23:33.40 | infobot | flatbatrecover -- created by DocScrutinizer <~halley@openmoko/engineers/joerg> at Mon Jul 26 02:02:58 2010 (427 days); last modified at Mon Jul 26 02:06:16 2010 by DocScrutinizer!~halley@openmoko/engineers/joerg; it has been requested 35 times, last by DocScrutinizer51, 10m 54s ago. |
| 23:34.36 | Kilroo1 | I suppose I could try to look up when I got the external charger. |
| 23:37.45 | rmitage | well there are some obnoxious fools on tmo, Doc. But some pretty cool people as well |
| 23:40.17 | HyperSnyper | same as any site then ? |
| 23:40.18 | HyperSnyper | :P |
| 23:41.39 | DocScrutinizer | heh, I'm posting to tmo as well smetimes ;-P |
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| 23:42.06 | DocScrutinizer | don't read a single thread though unless somebody points me at it |
| 23:42.22 | DocScrutinizer | or I started it |
| 23:42.38 | HyperSnyper | would an app running in deb chroot have access to the n900's bluetooth ? |
| 23:43.00 | DocScrutinizer | err, via /dev and /sys, why not? |
| 23:43.37 | HyperSnyper | not sure why not, just wanted to ask :P |
| 23:43.38 | DocScrutinizer | depends on wha you bindmount into your chroot root |
| 23:43.45 | HyperSnyper | should really just wait till it arrives and try myself |
| 23:43.46 | HyperSnyper | heh |
| 23:44.16 | DocScrutinizer | for obvious reasons dbus msgs won't probably work though |
| 23:44.43 | DocScrutinizer | dunno how BT is usually accessed |
| 23:45.06 | DocScrutinizer | afail it's plain Bluez |
| 23:45.15 | DocScrutinizer | afaik |
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| 23:45.37 | DocScrutinizer | so I'd guess it probably will work |
| 23:47.01 | ShadowJK | bluez is increasingly dbus based :/ |
| 23:47.28 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, that's why I mentioned dbus |
| 23:47.45 | DocScrutinizer | you *could* make dbus share the chroot as well |
| 23:48.02 | DocScrutinizer | iirc it's also basically just a file in /tmp |
| 23:49.05 | DocScrutinizer | two |
| 23:49.14 | DocScrutinizer | session + system |
| 23:49.59 | DocScrutinizer | but that's definitely non-trivial to make it work |
| 23:51.15 | DocScrutinizer | HyperSnyper: if you can't wait anymore - there are a few N900 on Nokia's RDA |
| 23:51.22 | DocScrutinizer | ;-D |
| 23:52.50 | DocScrutinizer | quite boring (and probably even worse than qemu+xephyr based SDK emu), but a way to "get in touch" |
| 23:54.16 | DocScrutinizer | HyperSnyper: if you want to dive into it head first, then I suggest you install scratchbox maemo SDK |
| 23:54.50 | DocScrutinizer | you could have your first app ready to install and run when your device arrives |
| 23:55.49 | opdf2 | man been seeing a lot of sports tv show streams on tmo |
| 23:57.42 | DocScrutinizer | oh, the spam continues? I wonder how long it takes reggie to implement some proper captchas and maybe even my suggested virtual currency system for "paying" your posts |
| 23:59.51 | rmitage | that's a pretty good idea actually |
