| 00:02.33 | psycho_oreos | tzorvas, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#Console_with_Flasher-3.5 |
| 00:04.36 | tzorvas | so with sudo /usr/bin/flasher-3.5 -F <firmware-image> -f -R i won't flash emmc, right? |
| 00:05.13 | psycho_oreos | you still need to provide it with an actual firmware image and it all depends on which firmware image you get |
| 00:05.25 | psycho_oreos | the ones clearly labelled eMMC will overwrite your eMMC |
| 00:06.22 | tzorvas | is this right? |
| 00:06.22 | tzorvas | RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin200174197PR 1.3 version 20.2010.36-2Latest Maemo 5 Global release for Nokia N900 |
| 00:06.37 | psycho_oreos | I guess so, yes |
| 00:06.57 | tzorvas | there is also an option for flasher |
| 00:07.31 | tzorvas | --flash-only and i can set, nolo/kernel/initfs/rootfs |
| 00:07.51 | psycho_oreos | you were told to flash the *entire* rootfs |
| 00:08.32 | psycho_oreos | if you want to be ignorant and do whatever you want to make it work, its up to you. I've made it clear that you *should* flash the entire *rootfs* |
| 00:22.09 | tzorvas | psycho_oreos: it has all contacts :D |
| 00:22.30 | tzorvas | thanks for your help.. |
| 00:23.04 | ShadowJK | apt-get upgrade is dangerous, good idea to make backups first :/ |
| 00:23.07 | SpeedEvil | Rootfs has no contacts |
| 00:23.13 | SpeedEvil | contacts are in /home |
| 00:23.29 | psycho_oreos | and that was all previously covered |
| 00:23.41 | tzorvas | ShadowJK: the best solutions was to backup, keep it and reflash it so i can update to latest CSSU firmware |
| 00:23.59 | tzorvas | the problem was that.. i wasnt able to update in latest CSSU with OTA |
| 00:24.01 | psycho_oreos | CSSU doesn't provide firmwares |
| 00:26.07 | tzorvas | CSSU isnt updating N900? i was able to do backup but it was asking for plug it in PC and use pc suite for the update.. |
| 00:26.35 | psycho_oreos | CSSU only provides updates, they do not release firmwares like nokia does |
| 00:27.39 | HyperSnyper | DocScrutinizer you about, ok to pm ? |
| 00:28.05 | tzorvas | yes but the process is pretty much the same.. backup -> update etc.. i didn't want to confuse CSSU with nokia firmware updates sorry. |
| 00:29.49 | psycho_oreos | and that's only if you used HAM (Hildon Application Manager) |
| 00:30.17 | tzorvas | any other suggestion instead of ham? |
| 00:30.45 | psycho_oreos | the other alternatives are not for beginners |
| 00:33.08 | tzorvas | whatever |
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| 00:36.43 | psycho_oreos | in fact CSSU itself is not really recommended for the faint at heart :p without backups one could be at a detrimental loss |
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| 00:37.21 | psycho_oreos | and looks like the mods are on the tmo, cleaning out those spams |
| 00:38.36 | tzorvas | thankfully i did backup before doing apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 00:39.19 | psycho_oreos | not when you were panicking a moment ago |
| 00:41.19 | tzorvas | well i will not do this again for sure and i will sacrifice 20 more minutes instead of just doing risky things and having the risk of a heart attack :$ |
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| 00:42.03 | internetishard | Wish I could find a headset that is clip on |
| 00:44.18 | psycho_oreos | `clip' on? |
| 00:45.19 | internetishard | yeah, like around the back of the ear so it doesn't fall out |
| 00:46.13 | psycho_oreos | hmm wired? I'm sure there's a fair few |
| 00:46.25 | internetishard | wired would be ideal |
| 00:46.30 | internetishard | better security |
| 00:46.39 | internetishard | I looked for a long time, couldn't find any |
| 00:49.18 | psycho_oreos | http://www.smarthouse.com.au/Reviews/Accessories/R3K9Q9H4 <--- this? :D |
| 00:49.44 | internetishard | haha |
| 00:49.48 | internetishard | wtf, those are big ass headphones |
| 00:50.14 | tzorvas | this is not wired but weird for n900 headphones :P |
| 00:50.44 | internetishard | I want something with a mic for talking on the phone... a "headset" not "headphones" |
| 00:51.24 | psycho_oreos | fyi that does have mic apparently, its probably built inside the headset.. that's why its deemed as headset not headphone |
| 00:51.56 | internetishard | I need something I can ride in the car with, run around with, etc |
| 00:51.57 | psycho_oreos | and as for weird terms, its not as weird as BH-905 :p they don't cover your ear but go ontop of your ear |
| 00:52.11 | internetishard | just not earbud |
| 00:52.28 | internetishard | yeah, that would suck |
| 00:52.34 | internetishard | being on top of the ear |
| 00:52.41 | internetishard | I have a nice pair of audio technica cans |
| 00:53.22 | psycho_oreos | << sony mdr-7503 cans :) |
| 00:53.33 | internetishard | ath-50s |
| 00:53.59 | internetishard | Although I hard a pair of a700s recently and was blown away |
| 00:54.08 | internetishard | though, he did use an extra portable amp |
| 00:55.36 | psycho_oreos | http://www.fishpond.com.au/Lifestyle/Cyber-Acoustics-Neckband-Style-Headset-and-Microphone-Silver/0646422100784 <---- that? :D |
| 00:55.37 | HyperSnyper | Sennheiser <3 |
| 00:57.13 | psycho_oreos | http://www.i-touchcomputers.com.au/index.php?productID=254 |
| 00:57.42 | psycho_oreos | http://www.sennheiser.com/sennheiser/home_en.nsf/root/private_headsets_pc_music-PC-141 |
| 01:00.09 | psycho_oreos | http://www.icidu.com/index.php/audio/headset/headset-sporty-neckband.html |
| 01:00.14 | psycho_oreos | there's really plenty of them |
| 01:00.23 | internetishard | I can't walk around in the street looking like a telemarketer |
| 01:00.27 | internetishard | it needs to be a dangling mic |
| 01:00.52 | internetishard | all .au links |
| 01:00.56 | internetishard | I'm in 'merica |
| 01:01.42 | psycho_oreos | the sennheiser link wasn't .au :) neither was that icidu |
| 01:02.25 | internetishard | I can't walk around looking like this: http://cdn.uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/telemarketer1.jpg |
| 01:05.39 | psycho_oreos | http://www.chinatob.com/pid10168162/Neckband+Headset+with+Microphone+TB-M910.htm |
| 01:07.27 | HyperSnyper | can you get nackband mic + jack ? |
| 01:07.33 | HyperSnyper | then use any headphones u want |
| 01:08.20 | psycho_oreos | http://www.sennheiser.com/sennheiser/home_en.nsf/root/private_headphones_sport-line_504604 |
| 01:08.26 | internetishard | see the two connectors... It won't fit the n900 |
| 01:08.45 | psycho_oreos | http://www.sennheiser.com/sennheiser/home_en.nsf/root/private_headphones_sport-line_504607 |
| 01:08.57 | psycho_oreos | internetishard, you can get adapters for those, not too hard really |
| 01:09.36 | psycho_oreos | http://www.sennheiser.com/sennheiser/home_en.nsf/root/private_headphones_sport-line_504601 |
| 01:09.45 | psycho_oreos | http://www.sennheiser.com/sennheiser/home_en.nsf/root/private_headphones_sport-line_504603 |
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| 01:10.59 | HyperSnyper | http://www.amazon.com/Jabra-CLIPPER-Bluetooth-Stereo-Headset/dp/B0040X33SE/ref=sr_1_3?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1316912898&sr=1-3 |
| 01:11.27 | psycho_oreos | I don't think he wanted a bluetooth headset :) |
| 01:11.48 | HyperSnyper | least he wont have to worry bout adapters |
| 01:11.49 | HyperSnyper | :P |
| 01:11.50 | psycho_oreos | otoh it doesn't go around the ear, it looks like a standard earplugs |
| 01:12.13 | psycho_oreos | I'm sure that's besides the point |
| 01:14.52 | psycho_oreos | and if one wants to compare with bluetooth, there's this: http://www.sennheiser.com/sennheiser/home_en.nsf/root/private_headsets_mobile_music_504111 |
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| 01:18.18 | psycho_oreos | http://www.plantronics.com/us/product/backbeat-903-plus&skuId=sku5630014 <-- or even these |
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| 01:21.35 | internetishard | needs a mic |
| 01:23.09 | psycho_oreos | which? |
| 01:26.23 | internetishard | last link |
| 01:27.22 | psycho_oreos | Microphones Dual-Mic |
| 01:27.31 | psycho_oreos | in the specifications page |
| 01:27.57 | internetishard | oh yeah |
| 01:28.01 | psycho_oreos | wonders if you're not looking hard enough or your simply tired and cbf'ed reading up on the specs close enough |
| 01:28.02 | internetishard | I'm looking at the wired ones |
| 01:28.18 | psycho_oreos | and the sennheiser links that I previously posted? |
| 01:46.30 | internetishard | some look okay |
| 01:46.34 | internetishard | looking for place to buy them |
| 01:47.54 | internetishard | seriously, 50$ for some cable and generic earpod speakers? |
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| 01:50.11 | psycho_oreos | if you're talking about sennheisers, they are like one of the audiophile's recommended manufacturers |
| 01:50.32 | psycho_oreos | its like buying a merc :p |
| 01:52.28 | internetishard | psycho_oreos, the mic is on that dangling clip, I take it |
| 01:52.32 | internetishard | I think I'll get them |
| 01:52.55 | internetishard | I take it they'll be compatible with 3.5mm jack in the n900 even though it doesn't list the size |
| 01:53.27 | psycho_oreos | internetishard, doesn't help when you don't provide the actual link, nor do I condone any of the products I've mentioned |
| 01:53.43 | internetishard | what do you condone? |
| 01:53.49 | internetishard | http://www.sennheiser.com/sennheiser/home_en.nsf/root/private_headphones_sport-line_504604 |
| 01:54.56 | psycho_oreos | I'm a fan of bluetooth headsets. I have tried numerous wired headsets with mixed results and now using bluetooth headsets I only have to worry about other interferences over wireless |
| 01:55.13 | psycho_oreos | plus there was a tmo thread about owners with worn N900 TRRS ports |
| 01:55.41 | internetishard | what were the negatives of the wired headset? |
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| 01:56.13 | internetishard | people wore out their n900 audio port? |
| 01:56.35 | internetishard | I'm pretty careful with mine... the main thing about bluetooth headsets is that they can be eavesdropped on pretty easily. |
| 01:56.57 | internetishard | (easily in comparison to strong crypto) |
| 01:57.05 | psycho_oreos | if you're trying to move around confined places sometimes your cables gets caught with other objects near you when moving around in confined spaces and as a result either the plug gets pulled out, your headphone gets yanked out of your ear, etc |
| 01:57.26 | internetishard | sure, yeah |
| 01:57.51 | psycho_oreos | they can be eavesdropped when and if there's an mitm attack, you'll know when you get eavesdropped they disconnect the link between you and your headset |
| 01:58.20 | internetishard | I've read articles saying that don't agree |
| 01:58.35 | internetishard | http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2005/08/eavesdropping_o.html |
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| 02:02.44 | psycho_oreos | to inject audio to, and record audio from bypassing cars that have an unconnected Bluetooth handsfree unit running. |
| 02:03.20 | psycho_oreos | so if the devices are already pre-paired, the case wouldn't really matter unless the attacker breaks the pair and inserts itself in between the two devices |
| 02:05.25 | psycho_oreos | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=53399 <--- audio port problem with N900 |
| 02:17.37 | SpeedEvil | psycho_oreos: err - note the dte |
| 02:18.01 | psycho_oreos | SpeedEvil, dte? |
| 02:18.54 | SpeedEvil | date |
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| 02:19.46 | psycho_oreos | SpeedEvil, for that tmo thread? yes its old but its a good starting point for reading |
| 02:22.04 | SpeedEvil | The headset wire breaks |
| 02:22.06 | SpeedEvil | possibly |
| 02:22.09 | SpeedEvil | Mine has |
| 02:22.12 | SpeedEvil | and done that |
| 02:22.20 | SpeedEvil | Oh - I diddn't read internetishard's question. |
| 02:23.56 | hiemanshu | reading Backlogs is overrated anyways |
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| 03:20.01 | DocScrutinizer | dman, that's been scary! Charging didn't work anymore, actually t900 didn't detect D+/- short from fastcharger. Reboot didn't help. Removing battery for 3 minutes didn't help. Another charger didn't help. Device refused to take significant charging current (according to charger's control LED). So I plugged it in to PC t check what's up with the D+/- lines, and there it started charging. Back to wallwart charger it was all back to normal |
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| 03:21.27 | DocScrutinizer | already thought I lost my USB port |
| 03:28.48 | GAN900 | Weird |
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| 03:33.26 | DocScrutinizer | yoh |
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| 04:23.29 | internetishard | how do you fix a stuck vibrator again? |
| 04:23.50 | internetishard | This happened before with my phone, but I forgot how I fixed it (you guys recommended some methods) |
| 04:26.46 | DocScrutinizer | very sudden rotation of device along the axis of headset plug |
| 04:27.02 | internetishard | while it is vibrating? |
| 04:27.19 | DocScrutinizer | I thought it's not vibrating anymore |
| 04:27.33 | internetishard | well |
| 04:27.39 | internetishard | while it is hissing trying to |
| 04:27.53 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, maybe try both |
| 04:28.33 | DocScrutinizer | also gentle but firm tapping in up&down of landscape screen plane |
| 04:28.59 | DocScrutinizer | with your finger tips, quite firmly |
| 04:29.15 | DocScrutinizer | (don't hit the buttons though) |
| 04:29.26 | DocScrutinizer | next step: disassembling |
| 04:30.04 | DocScrutinizer | aah, and hold the device screen down while doing the "gym" |
| 04:31.04 | DocScrutinizer | then screen upright landscape, and top down landscape |
| 04:32.45 | internetishard | dood |
| 04:32.51 | internetishard | was banging on it violently |
| 04:33.01 | internetishard | started tapping all over the back really hard |
| 04:33.07 | internetishard | and it started vibrating again |
| 04:33.08 | internetishard | thanks |
| 04:33.14 | DocScrutinizer | yw |
| 04:33.16 | doc|home | I really thought this was a troll |
| 04:33.17 | internetishard | dbus-send --print-reply --system --dest=com.nokia.mce /com/nokia/mce/request com.nokia.mce.request.req_vibrator_pattern_activate string:'PatternIncomingCall' I just leave this on |
| 04:33.33 | internetishard | While I bang |
| 04:33.44 | internetishard | Thanks doc|home |
| 04:33.49 | doc|home | :D |
| 04:34.04 | internetishard | Aight |
| 04:34.08 | internetishard | Time to "go out" |
| 04:34.14 | internetishard | anyone live in the bay area? |
| 04:34.40 | DocScrutinizer | the trick is to kick the debris out of the way of vibra excenter |
| 04:35.33 | DocScrutinizer | while ideally same time rotating the device so the excenter mass starts to rotate by mere inertia |
| 04:36.10 | DocScrutinizer | axis of vibrator motor is along upper long side of device |
| 04:44.02 | DocScrutinizer | internetishard: you can do preventive "cleaning" by holding device screen down and 45% tilt to show power button down, then gently knocking the backside and sliding kbd open and close 2 times while keeping the orientation. This should move small dust and debris out of the device |
| 04:44.04 | internetishard | yeah, that worked last time I think |
| 04:44.07 | internetishard | but this time it wasn't |
| 04:44.12 | internetishard | so I started tapping in different directions |
| 04:44.15 | internetishard | vs the axis |
| 04:44.27 | internetishard | since I have no way of knowing which way something was lodged |
| 04:44.55 | DocScrutinizer | do this several times a week and your vibra shouldn't get stuck |
| 04:47.20 | DocScrutinizer | n900 actually is a dust magnet, due the the case being wide open on the whole area between lower (kbd) half and screen half |
| 04:48.13 | DocScrutinizer | s/dust magnet/trash bin/ |
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| 05:11.12 | doc|home | sniff, and I'll be sad when my dines :( |
| 05:11.16 | doc|home | er, dies |
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| 08:43.26 | CableTwitch | Y'ello! |
| 08:43.32 | hiemanshu | Green |
| 08:44.19 | CableTwitch | I have yet another intreguing Maemo/N900 based issue, that's baffling me AND Google. I come to tap the collective knowledge of you lot. |
| 08:46.43 | CableTwitch | How exactly could said device repeatedly, and annoyingly, turn the screen on and off, as if the device were locked and unlocked using the slider? |
| 08:49.45 | psycho_oreos | was that meant to be a two parts question or phrased in a philosophical manner to confuse the average joe? |
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| 08:57.12 | CableTwitch | Psycho: Whatever it was meant to be, it evidently worked :O) |
| 08:57.51 | psycho_oreos | huh.. I'm really confused |
| 08:58.17 | CableTwitch | But yes. Device locking and unlocking the screen at random, usually in short fits. After that, it settles down again for a while. I doubt it's the screen cable, as opening and closing the screen doesn't cause the issue directly. |
| 08:59.28 | CableTwitch | I'm pondering the idea that it COULD be either the mag-switch for the screen, or the physical slider contacts. But playing with both doesn't allieviate the issue. |
| 08:59.49 | CableTwitch | So it's left me wondering if it's a software glitch, maybe? |
| 09:00.18 | psycho_oreos | I'm guessing sometimes it could also be the settings which if one randomly taps the screen when the screen is not even on will activate the screen |
| 09:01.06 | CableTwitch | Ahh, if it were simple taps, it would be good. I've placed the unit flat on a desk, and watched it switch the screen on randomly for a few minutes before. |
| 09:01.41 | CableTwitch | Sometimes it's miliseconds between activations, others, seconds. |
| 09:02.26 | psycho_oreos | is this with just a stock setup? and how is this related to Google? are you running nitdroid? |
| 09:02.51 | CableTwitch | It baffles me. |
| 09:03.27 | CableTwitch | Stock setup, with a few programs installed, none of which have ever caused this behavior before. |
| 09:03.51 | CableTwitch | The relation to google is that it was singularly useless in finding any instances of this issue online. |
| 09:04.10 | CableTwitch | And no, not nitdroid, plain old PR1.3 Maemo. |
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| 09:06.15 | psycho_oreos | hmm |
| 09:06.22 | CableTwitch | See, I wonder if there is a possible glitch with the auto screen off part of it, that's getting confused. |
| 09:06.58 | CableTwitch | That's the only other part of the device that can affect the screen in such a manner, without any physical input. |
| 09:07.47 | psycho_oreos | personally I have never had this issue with the screen randomly coming on apart from initially with my spare N900 setup it used to react to finger pressing on the screen when the screen is not even active |
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| 09:08.29 | CableTwitch | I'm no linux guru. I'm barely a user. So hence why I ask the wise people in here. |
| 09:09.33 | CableTwitch | Oh, powercycling seems to make precious little difference. It's done it after a few, so it's not something that's happened due to cosmic radiation randomly changing the screen lock status, or something. |
| 09:11.38 | hiemanshu | maybe its spying on it |
| 09:11.40 | psycho_oreos | heh I'm no guru either.. was this device you obtained brand new or second hand? |
| 09:11.42 | hiemanshu | s/it/you/ |
| 09:12.54 | CableTwitch | This would be my 3rd unit... it could possibly be a reconditioned one manifesting an original problem, potentially. |
| 09:14.03 | CableTwitch | In any case, is there a way, for a completely non-technical user like my useless self, to set a log of the screen state recording, to see what could be triggering it? |
| 09:17.14 | psycho_oreos | hmm not easily, I'm guessing dbus may have some useful information but its not for beginners, needs some fine tuning to find locate the right triggers |
| 09:19.57 | CableTwitch | Ideally, something to record the state of all 3 things that can mess with the screen (Maglock, slider, software auto-off) and show me which is responsible during the funny five minutes. |
| 09:21.49 | CableTwitch | Right, going underground now, but if people could ruminate on this, and possibly suggest ideas when I return, I'd be grateful. |
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| 09:33.03 | vdv | hi all |
| 09:33.18 | psycho_oreos | hi |
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| 09:33.31 | vdv | does anyone know, whether fbreader supports continious scrolling? |
| 09:33.56 | vdv | i.e. it doesn't suddenly switch to the next page |
| 09:34.11 | vdv | but scroll further to it |
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| 09:36.01 | Venemo | morning |
| 09:36.10 | Venemo | is portraid mode HD added to CSSU yet? |
| 09:36.13 | Venemo | MohammadAG ^^ |
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| 09:38.35 | psycho_oreos | yes it has |
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| 10:02.45 | psycho_oreos | great.. in the persuit to solve CableTwitch's issue I got my device into bootloop, time to yet again thank robbiethe1st for having backupmenu already available :) |
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| 10:25.59 | CableTwitch | I return! |
| 10:27.58 | psycho_oreos | I didn't get very far with getting to what you wanted with the logging |
| 10:28.33 | CableTwitch | Not a problem, chap. I figure it'll take a lot of sleuthing. |
| 10:28.52 | psycho_oreos | I found out which dbus signal deals with the screen but I tried tinkering with the actual program (which needless to say is part of a system process) and ended up bootlooping (semi-bricking) the device |
| 10:29.27 | CableTwitch | Awesome. Managed to fix the unit yet? |
| 10:30.11 | psycho_oreos | I was lucky to have robbiethe1st's backupmenu installed and having created a backup of my setup not long ago in fact (maybe a day old) |
| 10:30.28 | CableTwitch | A smart move indeed. |
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| 10:30.58 | CableTwitch | I should do a backup on this thing, and maybe try a reflash. If nothing else, I can ensure everything is reset. |
| 10:31.58 | psycho_oreos | anyhow the command I found was this: # dbus-monitor --system path=/com/nokia/mce/signal |
| 10:31.58 | psycho_oreos | running as root user seems to be a necessity as mce logs it as system rather than session log |
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| 10:33.12 | CableTwitch | But that bricks it? |
| 10:33.29 | psycho_oreos | no |
| 10:33.47 | CableTwitch | Ahh, ok. |
| 10:34.01 | CableTwitch | And that monitors the what, exactly? |
| 10:34.15 | psycho_oreos | hacking away /etc/events.d/mce to make it dump information into a file semi-bricked the device |
| 10:34.55 | CableTwitch | Ahh, ok. |
| 10:35.02 | psycho_oreos | it monitors mce signals, though you can see `path=/com/nokia/mce/signal', that's an extra parameter for dbus-monitor that you can specify to monitor for expressions |
| 10:35.29 | CableTwitch | just nods and smiles |
| 10:35.46 | psycho_oreos | its kinda like grep from reading something out of dmesg really.. it only outputs relevant information out to the screen without showing you things that doesn't relate |
| 10:35.53 | CableTwitch | I did mention I was linux syntax illiterate? |
| 10:36.11 | psycho_oreos | heh not really but you can always start learning :) |
| 10:36.32 | CableTwitch | belive me, now is really not a good time to start :O) |
| 10:37.04 | psycho_oreos | btw backupmenu doesn't come with the device by default neither is it available in the nokia firmware images. Its only available if and when you enable extras-devel and install it |
| 10:37.20 | CableTwitch | Righto. |
| 10:37.43 | CableTwitch | Maybe I'll return tomorrow, and we can go over this moreso when I'm not half asleep. |
| 10:37.50 | psycho_oreos | well, you gotta start sometime somewhere :) N900 is a linux based tablet and without learning ins and outs of linux, you may struggle getting more out of your device |
| 10:38.14 | psycho_oreos | heh I might be around still, only time will tell afterall tomorrow is Monday |
| 10:38.52 | psycho_oreos | s/tablet/device/ |
| 10:39.22 | psycho_oreos | infobot, ping |
| 10:39.22 | infobot | ~pong |
| 10:39.37 | psycho_oreos | s/based tablet/based device/ |
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| 10:40.08 | CableTwitch | I have to admit, I didn't buy the N900 because it ran linux. I got it because it was a rather nice mini-tablet/phone |
| 10:40.11 | psycho_oreos | search and replace regexp broke lol |
| 10:41.03 | psycho_oreos | unfortunately the whole backend runs linux :) which is what makes it so powerful yet versatile |
| 10:41.03 | CableTwitch | Yay. Device is doing it right now. |
| 10:41.33 | CableTwitch | It's cutting out the keyboard too, so it's certainly not just the screen ribbon cable. |
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| 10:41.56 | CableTwitch | Something is definitely causing the device to lock and unlock at random. |
| 10:42.13 | robbiethe1st | Are you doing anything high in IO? |
| 10:42.55 | CableTwitch | Data connection via GPRS, xchat, nothing else. |
| 10:44.03 | psycho_oreos | CableTwitch, just out of curiousity, can you pastebin (not paste) me the output of your maemo-list-user-packages? |
| 10:44.33 | CableTwitch | If I knew how, maybe. |
| 10:44.54 | CableTwitch | As I said, tomorrow would be a better time to actuallymess with the device. |
| 10:44.58 | robbiethe1st | I'd suggest installing the system monitor applet; one that sits in the little tray up at the top |
| 10:45.24 | robbiethe1st | also, first thing to install is rootsh. |
| 10:46.03 | CableTwitch | I think that's already on. |
| 10:46.41 | CableTwitch | I did something that needed it ages ago. Again, the wise wizards of ix in here talked me through it. |
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| 10:47.23 | psycho_oreos | sshd is also very ideal for most of us helpers :) |
| 10:49.00 | robbiethe1st | heh. I rarely used that |
| 10:49.08 | robbiethe1st | On-device terminal, however... |
| 10:49.37 | robbiethe1st | (now I use sshd a lot more via sshfs... cause I broke my USB port and all) |
| 10:49.44 | CableTwitch | I try to stay away from the parts that let me do damage. |
| 10:50.12 | CableTwitch | Plus, aside from this phone, I don't use linux anywhere else. |
| 10:50.25 | robbiethe1st | See, you've got *lots* to learn. |
| 10:50.39 | robbiethe1st | Oh, and once you have flasher handy... you *can't* brick your device |
| 10:50.43 | CableTwitch | Oh joy. |
| 10:51.04 | CableTwitch | I've flashed the unit before. Upgrading the software, done that. |
| 10:51.11 | robbiethe1st | OCing theoretically can, but it's rare. |
| 10:51.20 | psycho_oreos | sshfs is a huge battery drain though when transferring large amounts of data |
| 10:51.59 | CableTwitch | Right, other half is here, gotta go. |
| 10:52.00 | robbiethe1st | No worse than a NFS share I think... |
| 10:52.04 | CableTwitch | Laters all! |
| 10:52.20 | robbiethe1st | Seriously; my machine got pretty warm when copying loads of data over NFS... |
| 10:52.38 | vdv | isn't it possible to scroll line by line with volume buttons? |
| 10:52.43 | vdv | in dorian :) |
| 10:53.07 | robbiethe1st | They're just buttons, so a program can do whatever it wants. |
| 10:53.28 | vdv | i'm talking about dorian reader |
| 10:53.36 | robbiethe1st | ah |
| 10:53.41 | robbiethe1st | I use Fbreader |
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| 10:53.57 | vdv | it scrolls couple of lines on one button press |
| 10:54.16 | robbiethe1st | I have it set to scroll per-page on tap or button press... scrolling a few lines seems... odd |
| 10:55.37 | vdv | i've used to continious line-by-line scroll of text |
| 10:55.59 | vdv | like evince does for pdf for example |
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| 10:57.03 | SpeedEvil | line by line is very, very slow |
| 10:57.15 | SpeedEvil | I can read faste than I can push the button |
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| 14:27.47 | pauly | hello all |
| 14:28.05 | hiemanshu | hi |
| 14:29.12 | Pauly2 | i bought an n8 like 1month ago, anything interesting happen with maemo since then? |
| 14:29.29 | hiemanshu | new CSSU |
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| 14:30.15 | Pauly2 | anyone getting the n9 |
| 14:30.49 | Pauly2 | symbian on n8 is boring but i like my camera |
| 14:31.01 | hiemanshu | if they dont give me a proper release software for the N950, then yes |
| 14:31.14 | hiemanshu | s/software/firmware/ |
| 14:31.34 | jacekowski | Pauly2: well, from my experience with it, it seems to be faster than maemo |
| 14:32.12 | Pauly2 | ya but idk i want to fix my n900 but instead im save $ up for n9 |
| 14:33.02 | Pauly2 | is everyone supposed to move to meego irc or stay here idk? |
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| 14:34.13 | jacekowski | it looks like n9 will be DoA |
| 14:34.45 | Pauly2 | jacekowski: really |
| 14:35.08 | SpeedEvil | n9 is not meego |
| 14:35.12 | SpeedEvil | (as delivered) |
| 14:35.19 | SpeedEvil | You may be able to run meego-ce on it |
| 14:35.32 | hiemanshu | *may* |
| 14:35.41 | Pauly2 | ah |
| 14:35.56 | SpeedEvil | It's been stated in various places it will be possible. |
| 14:36.05 | SpeedEvil | But, ... |
| 14:36.54 | Pauly2 | i so confused, so i buy a netbook or tablet instead and keep my n8 lol |
| 14:38.05 | SpeedEvil | Wait a few weeks. |
| 14:38.09 | SpeedEvil | Things will clear up |
| 14:38.53 | Pauly2 | ya |
| 14:39.44 | Pauly2 | you all have the n950 isnt it just like n9 harmatten? |
| 14:39.59 | SpeedEvil | It's not clear. |
| 14:40.18 | SpeedEvil | There are a number of differences in the firmware between the n950 image available to the community, and the released n9 |
| 14:40.21 | Pauly2 | you like the n950 though? |
| 14:40.34 | Pauly2 | i see |
| 14:40.37 | SpeedEvil | Exactly what those differences are won't be clear until the n9 is actually in consumers hands. |
| 14:40.52 | SpeedEvil | I like the hardware, mostly. |
| 14:41.04 | SpeedEvil | The main issues I have with it are the keyboard. |
| 14:41.44 | SpeedEvil | And the software side - the security infrastructure is annoying enough that if configured wrong, it may not allow meego- to boot |
| 14:42.05 | SpeedEvil | And it also does not allow you to patch system software - at all - for bugfixes. |
| 14:42.30 | Pauly2 | its basiclly just like a testing device |
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| 14:58.42 | hiemanshu | SpeedEvil: whats wrong with keyboards? |
| 14:58.44 | hiemanshu | -s |
| 14:59.55 | SpeedEvil | hiemanshu: I don't like the flat keys |
| 15:00.03 | hiemanshu | ah |
| 15:00.24 | Pauly2 | theres a meego netbook out already! |
| 15:00.47 | hiemanshu | more than one |
| 15:01.27 | Pauly2 | really i only seen the eee pc |
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| 15:22.59 | merlin1991 | my mirror of the maemo repositories is reaching 100gb oO |
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| 15:32.31 | vdv | should foxit reader work in easy debian? |
| 15:32.57 | vdv | there's a linux version of it |
| 15:36.21 | jacekowski | no |
| 15:36.26 | ruskie | not likely since it's probably built for x86/x86-64 |
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| 15:39.56 | SpeedEvil | merlin1991: wow |
| 15:40.30 | merlin1991 | I just added 50gb to the lv to be on the save side for the next few months :) |
| 15:42.57 | merlin1991 | it's going to be pita to move the server content when the current contract ends |
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| 15:44.17 | hatake_kakashi | mine is sitting on 136GB and that is with a fairly old mirror update |
| 15:45.04 | MohammadAG | anyone wanna help me reverse my bus station/services' website? |
| 15:45.11 | MohammadAG | I need an app to show timetables |
| 15:45.20 | merlin1991 | does yours include testing? I only mirror extras, devel and cssu |
| 15:46.01 | hatake_kakashi | yeah mine includes testing, extras, devel, cssu, cssu-testing |
| 15:47.04 | hatake_kakashi | though mine has at least 15 more other repositories (belonging to other domains) added, along with various maemo versions |
| 15:47.52 | Pauly2 | does anyone know how to fix the screen on n900 mines broke |
| 15:48.09 | Pauly2 | repair shop wants $200? |
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| 15:48.19 | MohammadAG | ZogG, ping |
| 15:48.35 | RST38h | repair shop wants you gone |
| 15:48.51 | hatake_kakashi | indeed |
| 15:49.17 | MohammadAG | any Israelis online? |
| 15:49.26 | MohammadAG | need to know if the damn post office's open this Tuesday :/ |
| 15:50.44 | Pauly2 | any1 interested in fixing it for me? |
| 15:50.56 | RST38h | guess |
| 15:51.15 | MohammadAG | I would, but the screws suck and sometimes break |
| 15:51.34 | Pauly2 | lcd and the digitizer broke |
| 15:51.40 | Pauly2 | i dropped it |
| 15:51.48 | MohammadAG | 80 bucks I guess |
| 15:52.07 | MohammadAG | weird though, my N900 fell may times |
| 15:52.14 | Pauly2 | im in usa |
| 15:52.36 | Pauly2 | usb fell off also |
| 15:53.18 | RST38h | Too late |
| 15:56.20 | Pauly2 | too late? |
| 15:56.41 | RST38h | N900 is no longer produced and Nokia Care won't fix it for you |
| 15:56.59 | Pauly2 | i know |
| 15:57.03 | RST38h | Get an iPhone. |
| 15:57.07 | Pauly2 | lol |
| 15:57.10 | vdv | jacekowski, ruskie: ok, thanks |
| 15:57.38 | MohammadAG | RST38h, tbh |
| 15:57.44 | MohammadAG | after using the SGSII, N950 etc |
| 15:57.48 | MohammadAG | the iPhone feels like a toy |
| 15:58.08 | hatake_kakashi | iphone is a toy :) |
| 15:59.22 | ruskie | less than a toy |
| 15:59.46 | Pauly2 | anyone has unlimited 3.5g data plan? |
| 16:00.17 | Pauly2 | my wife wants iPhone 5 coming out next month |
| 16:00.50 | GAN900 | AT&T's grandfathered plans. |
| 16:01.13 | RST38h | Mohammad: ihone feels like a toy in any case |
| 16:01.29 | RST38h | Mohammad: Android makes me claustrophobic, cannot multitask |
| 16:01.30 | Pauly2 | MohammadAG: can u fix usb? |
| 16:01.46 | MohammadAG | no, I wouldn't even try |
| 16:01.58 | MohammadAG | I'm no engineer |
| 16:02.05 | GAN900 | Yeah, there's just nothing like Maemo. :/ |
| 16:02.22 | RST38h | I can bring you a whole new N900, but it will cost you $700. |
| 16:02.33 | MohammadAG | RST38h, wait, so what's the task manager thingy on the SGSII? |
| 16:02.45 | MohammadAG | Android suspends tasks? |
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| 16:02.59 | RST38h | Mohammad: yep |
| 16:03.05 | Pauly2 | MohammadAG: i can take it to repair shop for usb, and maybe you can get screen :) |
| 16:03.09 | RST38h | Mohammad: then kills them at random, as memory permits |
| 16:03.30 | MohammadAG | Pauly2, might be cheaper to fix it all in the shop :P |
| 16:03.35 | MohammadAG | I live half a planet from you |
| 16:03.49 | MohammadAG | RST38h, that's... disturbing |
| 16:03.53 | MohammadAG | I thought it always ran them |
| 16:03.54 | Pauly2 | android didnt have http uploads until 2.1 |
| 16:03.59 | Pauly2 | its lame |
| 16:04.05 | RST38h | MohammadAG: Not disturbing, natural |
| 16:04.23 | RST38h | MohammadAG: The whole platform has been designed at the time of PalmOS and MIDP |
| 16:04.54 | GAN900 | It makes me laugh to think there's this whole generation of people who think iOS is some sort of incredible revolution. |
| 16:04.57 | MohammadAG | I have a presentation at uni tomorrow |
| 16:05.15 | MohammadAG | thinking about talking about the evolution of mobiles and stuff |
| 16:05.29 | RST38h | GAN: That is only because Steve Jobs has told them so |
| 16:05.40 | MohammadAG | GAN900, you can't deny that iOS did get the ball rolling for some things though |
| 16:05.55 | RST38h | In the US, it did |
| 16:06.04 | RST38h | In Europe, people hardly noticed |
| 16:07.43 | GAN900 | MohammadAG, to an extent. |
| 16:08.00 | GAN900 | But the way people worship it you'd think it were better than pre-sliced bread. |
| 16:08.18 | GAN900 | When it's really pretty fundamentally crappy compared to a real OS. |
| 16:08.26 | MohammadAG | indeed |
| 16:08.45 | RST38h | GAN: Don't you worry, another year or two and the bread will restore its public importance |
| 16:09.14 | RST38h | ...along with other fundamentals |
| 16:10.22 | GAN900 | It's gonna suck having to switch platforms. |
| 16:11.08 | GAN900 | It's too bad Nokia is screwing us over so hard that riding Harmattan out for another year isn't even looking particularly viable anymore. |
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| 16:15.10 | orfix | is there any device running maemo other than the N900 ? |
| 16:15.17 | kerio | heh, i just realized that the mobile market in the US was (and still is) incredibly awful, compared to europe's |
| 16:15.32 | kerio | and that's probably why iphoneos looks so amazing to americans |
| 16:17.04 | hatake_kakashi | orfix, N800, N810, 770 |
| 16:18.11 | orfix | hatake_kakashi: ok, so the N900 is the most powerfull one. |
| 16:18.39 | hatake_kakashi | orfix, obviously |
| 16:19.09 | hatake_kakashi | well obviously for the public domain, there's N950 but that's not publicly available and N9 which is not even out yet |
| 16:25.38 | GAN900 | kerio, hey, consumers get options, they just don't care. |
| 16:25.47 | GAN900 | They'd rather get the "free" phones. |
| 16:26.51 | orfix | is there any chance that the N8 could run maemo ? |
| 16:26.58 | kerio | orfix: no |
| 16:27.21 | orfix | because the N950 and N9 looks like running symbian too. |
| 16:27.27 | hatake_kakashi | fail |
| 16:27.33 | kerio | no they don't :\ |
| 16:28.16 | hatake_kakashi | if meego looks like symbian to you, then you need your eyes fixed |
| 16:28.18 | orfix | kerio: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=6U8jH_apD2k |
| 16:28.35 | kerio | yeah, that's meego |
| 16:29.36 | orfix | kerio: ah ok (same icons as symbian) |
| 16:29.40 | orfix | =$ |
| 16:31.41 | hatake_kakashi | same/similar icons as symbian does not equate to the device running symbian |
| 16:32.24 | hatake_kakashi | you can get mango icons for N900 but would that make your N900 be running as mango OS? no it doesn't |
| 16:34.47 | orfix | hatake_kakashi: are you upset ? =P |
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