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| 00:22.48 | Sazpaimon | but yeah, this flex cable is probably the thinniest, most flimsy thing ive ever handled |
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| 01:19.53 | CableTwitch | It'a that time again! |
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| 01:59.23 | Sazpaimon | apparently it says my package was shipped |
| 01:59.32 | Sazpaimon | even though I orderd it a couple hours ago |
| 01:59.36 | Sazpaimon | and its shipping from the US |
| 01:59.43 | Sazpaimon | via usps |
| 01:59.49 | Sazpaimon | not sure how that works |
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| 02:02.09 | nox- | it probably just means they posted it |
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| 02:27.00 | ShadowJK | Or just that it has been packaged and given shipping label with tracking number (post offices would supply these in advance) and electronicly registered for USPS and scheduled for pickup by USPS |
| 02:27.04 | ShadowJK | or something like that |
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| 02:34.24 | nox- | yeah |
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| 02:35.28 | luke-jr | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4k6HWcf6jM |
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| 02:54.55 | Ken-Young | Is there a way to take a screenshot on the N900 via a shell command, rather than cntrl-shift-P ? |
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| 03:31.01 | jrayhawk | xwd is the xfree/xorg-distributed tool for that, import is the imagemagick-distributed tool which is quite a bit better |
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| 03:32.44 | Ken-Young | jrayhawk, Thanks - I'd never heard of xwd. |
| 03:33.21 | jrayhawk | I have no idea where xwd is distributed in Maemo; I think it's in x11-apps if you have a debian chroot, though. |
| 03:33.49 | Ken-Young | Yup, I've got easy debian, and it's *great*! |
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| 03:46.54 | OwariDa | hi there. anyone got monitor mode going on the n950? :) |
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| 05:51.36 | ruskie | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/09/23/via_technologies_sues_apple/ <-- hmm |
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| 06:36.37 | flux | ruskie, although I don't mind apple being sued, that sure looks like a bullshit patent to me :-) |
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| 06:47.52 | citylights | hi |
| 06:48.20 | citylights | I am seeking a program to count my daily data trrafic as widget |
| 06:48.27 | citylights | any advice? |
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| 06:50.21 | joga | citylights, something called personal dataplan monitor should be able to do that, I haven't tried it though |
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| 06:52.03 | DocScrutinizer | mo |
| 06:52.06 | DocScrutinizer | oo |
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| 06:59.07 | citylights | thanks |
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| 09:04.27 | vdv | hi all |
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| 09:04.37 | vdv | is there any way to run android apps on n900? |
| 09:05.06 | vdv | have seen this: http://www.golem.de/1102/81267.html |
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| 09:27.06 | DocScrutinizer51 | vdv: alien dalvik? Didn't make much noise recently, dunno if it's dead or what. Basically it of course should run on meegoCE and possibly they could even port it to maemo fremantle and/or 'meego'(maemo)-harmattan |
| 09:28.11 | DocScrutinizer51 | maybe they stopped the project when Nokia stopped meego |
| 09:28.39 | vdv | meego is stopped? |
| 09:28.52 | DocScrutinizer51 | nokia is brilliant in shooting their own foot |
| 09:29.49 | DocScrutinizer51 | vdv: well, afaik Nokia isn't participating in "true meego" since err february or sth |
| 09:30.22 | vdv | but meego is still developed, not? |
| 09:31.03 | RST38h | git commits are still going on |
| 09:31.52 | MohammadAG | meego will always undergo development |
| 09:32.10 | MohammadAG | but without devices from big manufacturers for it... |
| 09:32.14 | DocScrutinizer51 | "true" meego been continued by intel - not for handsets though, but lately rumour has it they also stop that |
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| 09:33.41 | DocScrutinizer51 | while Nokia basically just tagged the meego boilerplate to their maemo6-harmattan and bastardized it so it looks like meego a bit |
| 09:36.10 | vdv | is it somehow possible to install Foxit Reader on n900? |
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| 09:41.04 | MohammadAG | oh ignore that, i should stfu |
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| 10:48.11 | bebna | Hi, i'm interested into a used N900, but i've some questions about the available software for maemo. Can i compile software, on the go, for the platform itself? And is there a newsreader(usenet) who can post? |
| 10:50.03 | mece | bebna, yes you can compile, but takes a bit of work to get stuff setup for compiling. Dunno about newsreader |
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| 10:51.44 | mece | bebna, to get complete build environment etc you can run debian in chroot, but for just compiling you can install the tools directly on the device. |
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| 10:51.56 | bebna | mece: fine, i'm an arch user, work to get stuff working doesn't trouble me. |
| 10:52.03 | mece | :) |
| 10:52.45 | bebna | mece: thanks for ure help, now i have to wait to my next income to get some available cash -.-* |
| 10:53.18 | bebna | mece: do u use the n900= |
| 10:53.20 | bebna | *? |
| 10:53.36 | mece | bebna, yep. Although I use N950 as primary device atm |
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| 10:54.23 | mece | bebna, N900 is a linux box, so you'll feel right at home. |
| 10:55.24 | mece | bebna, down sides as I see it are small rootfs space and only 256Mb ram |
| 10:56.16 | mece | swap can be adjusted as one please tho. |
| 10:56.38 | bebna | mece: yeah the ram, this troubles mee too, my motorola droid/milestone with also 265mb ram gets often in trouble |
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| 10:58.58 | mece | bebna, ram doesn't really cause problems if you're carefull with which programs you run together, but swap is slow and painful. |
| 10:59.24 | mece | usually browsing some heavy sites while doing other stuff cause problems |
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| 11:02.19 | bebna | mece: so running a email app and for example some calcsheet application is ok? |
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| 11:06.06 | DocScrutinizer | should, if it's not OOcalc |
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| 11:08.21 | DocScrutinizer | bebna: just one thing - take damn care about your USB receptacle! |
| 11:08.55 | DocScrutinizer | it's the one known major cause of fatalities on N900 |
| 11:09.01 | DocScrutinizer | ~usbfix |
| 11:09.01 | infobot | rumour has it, usbfix is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater) |
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| 11:11.18 | mece | bebna, yeah. Not that the email app is very good. The multitasking is superb actually, but when you run out of memory things get slow. |
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| 11:12.19 | mece | when I code on device I usually have 3 terminals, 2 browser windows and a couple of editors open. Things are usually smooth since reference manuals are not ajax bloated horrors like most social media sites. |
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| 11:12.42 | bebna | hmm, this sounds good enough |
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| 11:14.37 | mece | bebna, http://twitpic.com/3o2b6e/full |
| 11:14.44 | DocScrutinizer | there's been a silly "competition" once where some user bragged about his 11 open windows on symbian. A N900 user answered with some 150 open windows, all responsive and functional |
| 11:14.59 | mece | DocScrutinizer, lol |
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| 11:16.30 | bebna | mece: i googled after ur N950, now i hate the nokia marketing |
| 11:17.12 | mece | I made an auction site in django for a course I took and wrote the thing on device, and used the device itself as the server too. That was pretty cool :) |
| 11:18.06 | mece | bebna, here's a screenshot from that thing http://twitpic.com/4exl1a :D fun times. |
| 11:19.07 | DocScrutinizer | I can't recall the exact numbers of open apps/windows anymore, neither am I sure if it was symbian. The rest is a true story |
| 11:19.54 | mece | DocScrutinizer, hahaha |
| 11:20.19 | bebna | coding a django app on the go, is something i was dreaming before i got the milestone -.-* |
| 11:20.25 | DocScrutinizer | bebna: you possibly don't like N950. I don't. It's less of a linux feeling than android, thanks the aegis MSSF |
| 11:20.35 | mece | bebna, yeah N950 is pretty sweet. Harmattan tho is less of a hacker device. |
| 11:21.25 | bebna | DocScrutinizer: what is aegis MSSF? I only has seen the nice design and the 1gb ram spec |
| 11:21.31 | DocScrutinizer | ~aegis |
| 11:21.31 | infobot | from memory, aegis is http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Harmattan:Developer_Library/Developing_for_Harmattan/Harmattan_security/Security_guide , or "The purpose of this framework is: ... to make sure that the platform meets the requirements set by third party software that requires a safe execution environment.", or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Computing#Criticism, or ... |
| 11:22.09 | mece | bebna, it means it's locked down somewhat. You can however install meego ce on it which is completely unlocked |
| 11:22.13 | DocScrutinizer | or - very simply - root got neutered |
| 11:22.19 | SpeedEvil | It depends. |
| 11:22.24 | mece | SpeedEvil, depends? |
| 11:22.32 | SpeedEvil | If you're just using the platform, it's not much of an issue. |
| 11:22.42 | mece | well the point is moot since you can't actually buy an N950 |
| 11:22.49 | SpeedEvil | If you're trying to develop, it varies between an inconvenience, and a showstopper. |
| 11:23.05 | SpeedEvil | mece: 2500 euro to my swiss account, sorted. |
| 11:23.11 | SpeedEvil | (not really) |
| 11:23.23 | mece | and N9 doesn't have keyboard, so that's not really an option for hacking |
| 11:23.34 | DocScrutinizer | and you can't install a SDK of any kind without getting massive headache and binaries that can't execute |
| 11:23.39 | SpeedEvil | The n950 keyboard is fairly dissapointing. |
| 11:23.48 | mece | SpeedEvil, I think it's pretty nice |
| 11:23.57 | SpeedEvil | mece: Maybe I need to get used to it more. |
| 11:24.15 | SpeedEvil | I find the n900 vastly more usable, as I can tell where my fingers are. |
| 11:24.15 | mece | SpeedEvil, I'm faster on N900 still, but I've been using that every day for almost 2 years |
| 11:24.22 | DocScrutinizer | no, N950 hwkbd is crap, due to missing convex keycaps |
| 11:24.28 | SpeedEvil | I suppose it is anunfair comparison. |
| 11:24.34 | mece | SpeedEvil, I think the problem is that the OS isn't very adapted to using the keyboard |
| 11:24.39 | SpeedEvil | Afterall, I did spend a week with my 900 as my primary computer |
| 11:24.42 | bebna | guys, i know the bold 9000 keyboard and now use the cheep calculater like keyboard on the milestone |
| 11:24.44 | Venemo | mece ++ |
| 11:24.52 | RST38h | Doc: worksforme |
| 11:24.53 | Venemo | SpeedEvil, yeah, me too, more than one week though :) |
| 11:25.04 | Venemo | SpeedEvil, what's disappointing is that I couldn't do the same with the N950. |
| 11:25.16 | mece | I rarely bother to open the keyboard unless I'm in xterm, since it doesn't have åäö which I need |
| 11:25.24 | SpeedEvil | mece: Well - that bit I don't so much care about. - adaption |
| 11:25.46 | SpeedEvil | Venemo: but that is a fair point - it would have been difficult to do the things that I can do with the n900 with the n950. |
| 11:25.55 | mece | I I find the onscreen buttons in the meego-terminal rather hard to hit though |
| 11:26.07 | SpeedEvil | Though there are more apps in the ovi store than in all n900 repos. |
| 11:26.07 | Venemo | SpeedEvil, yeah, which is very unfortunate |
| 11:26.14 | mece | SpeedEvil, I agree. On device developing is a bitch |
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| 11:26.41 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: 5000 fart apps, different sound - great |
| 11:26.45 | mece | SpeedEvil, Qml coding works pretty well tho |
| 11:26.55 | bebna | Ok, so the n950 is for me as a coder a pain? |
| 11:27.02 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 11:27.02 | mece | with khteditor and my runqml app |
| 11:27.03 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: Naah - not that advanced. |
| 11:27.10 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: 5000 RSS feeds |
| 11:27.14 | SpeedEvil | 20 actual apps |
| 11:27.22 | SpeedEvil | (numbers somewhat made up) |
| 11:27.24 | mece | bebna, if you want to use it as your computer it's not very convenient. It's marvelous as a phone tho |
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| 11:28.06 | SpeedEvil | On actual apps I've found useful, or at least interesting. |
| 11:28.13 | DocScrutinizer | mece: I've seen better phones, way better and years ago |
| 11:29.17 | mece | DocScrutinizer, meh |
| 11:29.24 | SpeedEvil | Angry Birds - though I can't buy the full version. Phone Torch - though a way to access it via a button would be nice. Compass, Recorder, Camera Pro |
| 11:30.01 | bebna | how is the n900 as phone? can it stay a day with ~10 sms, twitter or mails? |
| 11:30.08 | SpeedEvil | bebna: Easily |
| 11:30.11 | mece | bebna, yep |
| 11:30.25 | SpeedEvil | bebna: If used just as a phone/text platform, expect battery life of several days |
| 11:30.29 | DocScrutinizer | -twitter maybe |
| 11:30.33 | SpeedEvil | (unless you're on the phone >1/2 hour a day |
| 11:30.34 | mece | bebna, online with more than 2 im's on 3g might struggle to hold a day. |
| 11:30.39 | mece | if you use it alot |
| 11:30.56 | bebna | my telephone usage is at 50mins a month |
| 11:31.01 | mece | lol |
| 11:31.04 | SpeedEvil | yeah. If you've got 3g data up - and it's used more than once every 5 minutes - forget it. |
| 11:31.10 | SpeedEvil | bebna: Ah - a heavy user then. |
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| 11:31.20 | bebna | sms, mails, and twitter are the most used ways |
| 11:31.23 | SpeedEvil | (I think I've made 5 calls on my n900) |
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| 11:31.43 | mece | twitter clients are not superb. except tweed suit that is ;) |
| 11:31.57 | DocScrutinizer | I'm not doing many calls, like once each other day, but that "just works" |
| 11:32.10 | MohammadAG | shameless advertising above ^ |
| 11:32.17 | SpeedEvil | On an unrelated matter. |
| 11:32.23 | MohammadAG | I must say Nokia did a good job with the N950/N9 battery though |
| 11:32.35 | mece | MohammadAG, Mine never stays the day |
| 11:32.44 | DocScrutinizer | recall recording all my calls automatically :-) . Advanced call log comes quite complementary to the core functions |
| 11:32.46 | MohammadAG | mece, what?! |
| 11:32.46 | mece | MohammadAG, I dunno what I'm doing wrong |
| 11:32.51 | SpeedEvil | Other than openstreetmap, which is a good project which I've contributed a lot to. Are there any offline mapping applications that can be purchased that might in principle run on the n9? |
| 11:32.52 | MohammadAG | mine's been on since yesterday |
| 11:33.00 | zutesmog | I have 3 email accounts, checked every 30min,s 5-10 calls inboud/outbound a day, a few SMS, and maybe an IM over gtalk, easily last a day, if I use maps for a 40min drive then I won't |
| 11:33.03 | MohammadAG | (no charges) |
| 11:33.24 | SpeedEvil | zutesmog: Though a car-charger fixes that |
| 11:33.31 | mece | zutesmog, which device? |
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| 11:33.53 | mece | I've learned to use my N900 in a way that it always survives the day. |
| 11:34.08 | mece | I guess I haven't yet with n950 |
| 11:34.16 | ruskie | my n900 survives for some 4-5 days between charges |
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| 11:34.21 | MohammadAG | I've learned to swap batteries on the N900 |
| 11:34.24 | mece | ruskie, are you offline? |
| 11:34.26 | zutesmog | yeah. though I don't have one. I can still get there and back with the maps, then need to stick it on the charger. (My daughter has a cheap car/usb charger but it doesn't work with the N900, trying to find a genuine one locally, will have to go online ;-) |
| 11:34.31 | MohammadAG | but that's not possible on the N950 without removing screws |
| 11:34.39 | ruskie | mece, autodisconnect after 10 minutes |
| 11:34.47 | mece | ruskie, I guess that helps |
| 11:34.51 | DocScrutinizer | (battery life) it's *ALL* about frequency of 2G/3G data transfer |
| 11:34.57 | mece | ruskie, as I said I don't really have a problem |
| 11:35.00 | zutesmog | I turn wifi off when I am out too, that helps |
| 11:35.05 | ruskie | and auto switch to 2g unless needing data |
| 11:35.16 | ruskie | wifi as also always off |
| 11:35.17 | zutesmog | and blutooth is never on, unless I am actually using it. |
| 11:35.32 | DocScrutinizer | a "ping 8.8.8.8" will kill your battery on any phone in just 2..3h, when you're conected via 3G |
| 11:35.37 | ruskie | but it works the way I want it an how I want it |
| 11:35.49 | ruskie | which is the most important thing |
| 11:36.18 | mece | I left an N900 at work with tweedsuit running with 4 autoupdating columns with notifications on 3g, it lasted for ca 50 hours |
| 11:36.26 | zutesmog | My wifes HTC Desire Z has worse battery life than the N900, and she does a lot less with it. |
| 11:37.07 | mece | ruskie, yep. I think most here agree that N900 is a sweet sweet device :) |
| 11:37.07 | ruskie | mece, hehe I don't do any tweeting and any "following" I do is through plain old rss running in a web based rss reader on my server |
| 11:37.09 | bebna | mece: this seems more than my now high optimized milestone will stand on standy with 2g |
| 11:37.15 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: More like 6 hours on 3G, and 9 nours on 2G |
| 11:37.23 | SpeedEvil | (if the screen is off) |
| 11:37.27 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: depends |
| 11:37.33 | SpeedEvil | At one ping a second, it doesn't go to 3.5G |
| 11:37.43 | SpeedEvil | (and you're in a moderate signal area) |
| 11:37.48 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 11:37.53 | DocScrutinizer | that's the point |
| 11:38.04 | mece | bebna, well as I said the phone was idle, and only updated twitter columns (feed, mentions and 2 search columns) every 10-20 minutes. |
| 11:38.09 | DocScrutinizer | TX can work @ 2W or @ 50mW |
| 11:38.34 | SpeedEvil | On a related matter - where is tha phone antenna in the n950 |
| 11:38.45 | DocScrutinizer | bottom, as usual |
| 11:38.46 | mece | SpeedEvil, it's on the bottom |
| 11:38.52 | bebna | mece: i get 2 and a half day with "only idle" |
| 11:39.22 | mece | SpeedEvil, you loose 2 bars if you put your finger on the bottom |
| 11:39.24 | DocScrutinizer | mece: every 10 minutes is no issue at all |
| 11:39.44 | mece | DocScrutinizer, I know. I actually just wanted to test if my program was a battery hog. |
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| 11:40.05 | mece | but moving around in poor signal areas while online eats a lot of batteries |
| 11:40.06 | ruskie | and frankly I don't consider modest to be of sufficient quality to be usable to even remotely check emails... the jabber email notifications make sense... to a point |
| 11:40.22 | mece | ruskie, the what? |
| 11:40.23 | DocScrutinizer | IRC however, with its several small inbound pkgs / second, can possibly cut through a bat in a few hours |
| 11:40.26 | bebna | DocScrutinizer: 10min update rates are now trouble for you? i want to have the same feeling -.-* |
| 11:41.03 | ruskie | mece, ? I get mail notification via jabber |
| 11:41.05 | bebna | DocScrutinizer: how about ssh->screen->irc |
| 11:41.17 | DocScrutinizer | dunno, never tested it |
| 11:41.18 | ruskie | but frankly the jabber client on the n900 is crap as well |
| 11:41.27 | mece | DocScrutinizer, if on irc or im's I get decent battery life if on 2g. On 3g it's dead pretty quick |
| 11:41.39 | DocScrutinizer | yep, same here |
| 11:42.05 | DocScrutinizer | I get ~1day standby on IRC with some 10 chan open |
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| 11:42.19 | ruskie | hmm I'd probably get 1 hour then or so |
| 11:42.25 | mece | DocScrutinizer, that's pretty great actually |
| 11:42.27 | DocScrutinizer | sometimes, when channels are rather quiet |
| 11:42.59 | MohammadAG | yay rain |
| 11:43.01 | DocScrutinizer | when there's a lot of joins/quits/renames then it stays only 6h maybe |
| 11:43.05 | mece | yay sunshine! |
| 11:43.21 | bebna | DocScrutinizer: can u hide them? |
| 11:43.41 | DocScrutinizer | doesn't help, as the data gets transmitted nevertheless |
| 11:43.52 | DocScrutinizer | I could filter them at my irc bouncer |
| 11:44.03 | bebna | DocScrutinizer: i don't like these, this is my intention |
| 11:44.18 | DocScrutinizer | I could also aggregate data on my bouncer to send only one large pkg every 30s |
| 11:44.52 | DocScrutinizer | or I could use ssh and irssi |
| 11:44.54 | bebna | DocScrutinizer: this sounds nice, which bouncer can do this? |
| 11:45.22 | DocScrutinizer | none I know of, unless you write your own plugin |
| 11:45.40 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK did some tricks for aggregating data though |
| 11:46.01 | DocScrutinizer | dunno exactly what he did, think it's been some netfilter hack or sth |
| 11:46.54 | mece | wtf? death by spontaneous combstion case in ireland! |
| 11:47.00 | mece | I blame cern |
| 11:47.11 | bebna | hmm, if i have to code my own, a client&server solution sounds better for me (battery wise) |
| 11:47.18 | DocScrutinizer | http://enivax.net/jk/n900/ircpowersave.sh.txt |
| 11:47.33 | DocScrutinizer | now goes looking into that URL ;-D |
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| 11:48.04 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, iptables, knew it |
| 11:49.33 | mece | bebna, well regardless, I can recommend the N900 with all my heart. I absolutely love it. |
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| 11:50.09 | mece | I'm out. toodles |
| 11:50.34 | bebna | mece: thx |
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| 11:50.50 | zutesmog | irccloud might be an alternative |
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| 11:51.22 | bebna | has also to go to get some food |
| 11:52.49 | DocScrutinizer | hmmm's and ponders to augment ShadowJK 's ircpowersave script to a decent tool, with cmdline parameters, cleanup on exit, adaptive inverval based on a list of highlight regex that cause immediate transmission and reduction of sleep interval and also add other temporary highlight regex dynamically so you could follow a topic thread or chat, when one of the chatters mentions a certain anchor highlight regex |
| 11:53.25 | DocScrutinizer | s/inver/inter/ |
| 11:53.38 | DocScrutinizer | errrr? |
| 11:53.46 | DocScrutinizer | ~ping |
| 11:53.47 | infobot | ~pong |
| 11:53.55 | DocScrutinizer | wtf? |
| 11:54.28 | DocScrutinizer | aaah /action |
| 11:54.58 | DocScrutinizer | ~botsnack |
| 11:54.58 | infobot | :), DocScrutinizer |
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| 12:27.24 | ruskie | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/09/23/ms_denies_uefi_lock_in/ |
| 12:29.18 | e0x | hello |
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| 12:30.53 | e0x | i finally end make my n900 useless right now , trying flash eMMC and because of they hardware problem it not complete the process and endup with no image found in all widget of the interfase |
| 12:31.04 | e0x | and without any texture |
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| 12:31.51 | e0x | so , i want donate that hardware ( i think part of it still work ) for somebody that is working in something for the community and will make some use |
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| 12:31.53 | aki | hi there |
| 12:31.54 | e0x | of it |
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| 12:38.42 | SpeedEvil | e0x: What happened before you flashed it? |
| 12:38.58 | SpeedEvil | e0x: Also - where are you? |
| 12:39.05 | aki | is there a flasher-3.5_*.deb for x86_64? I can only find 32 bits versions on http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php, and the amd64 ones seems to be for n950/n9 |
| 12:39.31 | e0x | SpeedEvil: SpeedEvil SOMETHING_ERROR_I_DONT_REMEMBER_NOW error code 3 |
| 12:39.49 | e0x | and end fast |
| 12:39.58 | Arkenoi | amd64 us x86_64 |
| 12:40.00 | Arkenoi | is |
| 12:40.28 | e0x | #1 run flash , #2 show some progress , #3 give you the error and end ( all this happen fast in a few seconds |
| 12:40.31 | e0x | ) |
| 12:40.41 | SpeedEvil | e0x: :/ Where are you? |
| 12:40.49 | e0x | Dominican Republic |
| 12:41.01 | aki | Arkenoi: I know, but there's only a 64 bits flasher version for n950/n9 |
| 12:41.08 | aki | the n900 one seems to be 32 bits only |
| 12:41.13 | aki | or maybe I missed something :) |
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| 12:42.08 | MohammadAG | aki, force it, and there's no reason the flasher for N950 shouldn't work on an N900 |
| 12:42.58 | aki | hm, ok |
| 12:43.18 | aki | just got it, was supposed to be new, but there's a bunch of data on it |
| 12:43.24 | aki | so I just want a clean maemo 5 install |
| 12:43.35 | aki | but I don't want to brick it yet :) |
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| 12:44.14 | aki | so the 32 bits package should work on x86_64 |
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| 12:46.37 | aki | $ flasher-3.5 2>&1 | head -1 |
| 12:46.38 | aki | flasher v2.5.2 (Oct 21 2009) |
| 12:46.41 | aki | looks happy enough |
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| 12:48.14 | Venemo | aki, it should work, but you should install the 32bit dependencies for it. |
| 12:48.51 | aki | ok |
| 12:49.02 | aki | one last, I see that I've got 20.2010.36-2 running, how do I check if I have the usa version or the global one, if I want the same? (and does it matter?) |
| 12:49.37 | hiemanshu | doesn't really matter much |
| 12:50.49 | aki | ok, thanks |
| 12:50.51 | aki | global then :) |
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| 12:54.00 | gomiam | argh, I'm testing USB networking on my N800 and I find this weird situation: N800's PINGs reach my Linux box, ARPs get even answered, but not ECHOs go back and pinging from Linux to N800 gives me a sendmsg: Operation not permitted |
| 12:54.16 | gomiam | running Debian stable, and no ipmasq seems to be even related |
| 12:55.50 | aki | seems like I had the UK one |
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| 13:10.37 | aki | hm |
| 13:12.09 | aki | is flashing with half a battery really a bad idea, is it used for initial calibrating or anything like that? or is the warning just there to prevent people to try to flash it with 2% of battery? :) (I don't have my charger here...) |
| 13:12.40 | SpeedEvil | half is fine |
| 13:12.58 | aki | cool, thanks |
| 13:13.09 | SpeedEvil | and yes |
| 13:13.36 | aki | :) |
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| 13:18.04 | bebna | does the n900 not use the usb port to charge the battery? |
| 13:18.19 | e0x | yes it does |
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| 13:31.26 | gomiam | bebna, e0x: have you used USB networking on Maemo? |
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| 13:32.03 | bebna | i'm planning to buy a n900, my question was really a question and not a hint. |
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| 13:44.26 | aki | flashed vanilla and combined, worked like a charm, thanks everyone |
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| 13:47.46 | SpeedEvil | aki: Congrats! |
| 13:48.30 | aki | :) |
| 13:48.35 | aki | SpeedEvil: happy with your n950? |
| 13:48.53 | aki | (saw you talk about it on ##electronics a few weeks ago) |
| 13:49.16 | SpeedEvil | aki: I haven't had as much time as I would like to do stuff with it as I had hoped. :( |
| 13:49.23 | SpeedEvil | aki: The hardware is awesome. |
| 13:49.50 | aki | cool :) |
| 13:49.52 | SpeedEvil | (barring niggles like the keyboard keys being flat, and there being only one colour of notification LED) |
| 13:50.35 | aki | had a 770 a few years back, and just got a (more or less) new n900 |
| 13:50.47 | aki | it's really awesome, and I'm impressed with the latest maemo release |
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| 14:45.48 | vi__ | yo |
| 14:46.03 | vi__ | what is the /sys entry for the back cover? |
| 14:46.08 | vi__ | of the n900 |
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| 14:47.45 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Subsystems#Rear_cover_presence_switch |
| 14:47.49 | SpeedEvil | And I see I've not filled it in |
| 14:47.51 | SpeedEvil | meh |
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| 14:49.31 | DocScrutinizer | (niggles) and the capacitive ts of course, which defeats sane text highlighting - just to mention one area where it sucks |
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| 15:08.23 | ShadowJK | It's crucial that "ircpowersave" runs on the bouncer host ;-) |
| 15:08.54 | DocScrutinizer | thought as much |
| 15:09.30 | MohammadAG | what exactly does it do? |
| 15:09.44 | MohammadAG | btw DocScrutinizer SpeedEvil |
| 15:09.58 | MohammadAG | the N950 seems to use the screen for double taps, not the accelerometer |
| 15:10.06 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 15:11.03 | ShadowJK | MohammadAG, blocks bouncer -> N900 IRC for 60s, unblocks and waits for retransmissions to complete |
| 15:11.23 | ruskie | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/09/23/lte_patent_pie/ |
| 15:11.48 | DocScrutinizer | my idea that it was the accel was based on the fact that unlock didn't work when I placed the device on a flat surface. Related though to the c-ts issues I got when not "grounding" my body by touching the device case |
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| 15:16.42 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, doesn't that rape the battery? |
| 15:17.32 | ShadowJK | depends if the accelerometer would be independently moniytoring for doubletap and waking up cpu with an irq |
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| 15:17.47 | ShadowJK | or if cpu had to stream accelermeter and monitor it itself |
| 15:18.10 | ErwinJunge | MohammadAG: Any news on sociality? I only just installed it and from the screenshots on tmo it looks like exactly what I want, but as I understand a Qt update broke it? |
| 15:18.35 | MohammadAG | no, a facebook update broke sign in |
| 15:18.43 | MohammadAG | it can be easily fixed, just haven't got around to it |
| 15:19.46 | ErwinJunge | Ah, ok. Thanks for clarifying |
| 15:21.31 | ruskie | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/09/23/netherlands_3g_ban/ |
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| 15:48.36 | ErwinJunge | MohammadAG: Could you give me a small tip as to what the problem is? I'd be willing to fix it myself and send you a patch. |
| 15:49.17 | ErwinJunge | If I manually reconstruct the login url and put that in my browser on my laptop it works, so wondering why it's not working in your app. |
| 15:49.53 | MohammadAG | ErwinJunge, don't need a patch |
| 15:50.02 | MohammadAG | just remove &display=touch from the login url |
| 15:51.14 | ErwinJunge | If that's the fix, it's still odd that it works with &display=touch on my laptop. |
| 15:52.39 | MohammadAG | not webkit based I guess |
| 15:53.09 | ErwinJunge | chromium |
| 15:53.54 | ErwinJunge | Anyways, I'll try it when I get home. Don't have scratchbox available here. |
| 15:56.42 | MohammadAG | ErwinJunge, safari webkit |
| 15:56.46 | MohammadAG | put the iPhone user agent |
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| 15:59.44 | ErwinJunge | my current user agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686) AppleWebKit/535.1 (KHTML, like Gecko) Ubuntu/10.10 Chromium/13.0.782.215 Chrome/13.0.782.215 Safari/535.1 |
| 16:02.09 | ErwinJunge | Switching user agent to the one used on the N900 doesn't break it. |
| 16:02.49 | MohammadAG | ErwinJunge, the one used on the iPhone (in Qt WebKit) is fairly similar to that on the iPhone |
| 16:02.55 | MohammadAG | so use the iPhone's agent |
| 16:04.25 | ErwinJunge | Still not broken |
| 16:04.37 | ErwinJunge | Maybe it's a prob with Qt WebKit? |
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| 16:17.56 | ErwinJunge | I'm off, I'll let you know later if it worked :) |
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| 18:07.59 | texasmynsted | Is there some way to get pidgin to actually reconnect following a change in network source, e.g. Moving from wifi to 3g? |
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| 18:19.13 | NIN101 | texasmynsted: there probably is |
| 18:20.28 | NIN101 | a script in /etc/network/if-up.d which runs purple-remote setstatus?status=offline and purple-remote setstatus?status=online. Just need to know 3G interface name. |
| 18:20.46 | ruskie | gprs0 ? |
| 18:21.14 | NIN101 | hm. |
| 18:21.25 | ruskie | ifconfig -a |
| 18:21.27 | ruskie | to list the lot |
| 18:21.53 | NIN101 | i know... :-) |
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| 18:22.16 | NIN101 | but we actually don't need to know the interface name |
| 18:22.41 | texasmynsted | A wiki page or something with details? |
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| 18:23.34 | texasmynsted | This seenms like it would come up often... |
| 18:23.43 | ruskie | doubtful |
| 18:24.10 | ruskie | unless it's on tmo already mentioned you're the first that I recall after nearly two years |
| 18:24.20 | texasmynsted | Oh |
| 18:24.22 | NIN101 | http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=gsCzKdu8 put this in /etc/network/if-up.d/pidgin, chmod +x /etc/network/if-up.d/pidgin and give it a try. |
| 18:24.44 | texasmynsted | :-) |
| 18:24.47 | texasmynsted | Ty |
| 18:24.53 | ruskie | but feel free to search the wiki or create the relevant page |
| 18:25.09 | NIN101 | a bit lame because it'll be executed everytime a interface gets up. |
| 18:25.47 | texasmynsted | But that is the point right? |
| 18:26.28 | NIN101 | argh it won't work |
| 18:26.43 | NIN101 | because scripts in ip-up.d are runned as root. |
| 18:27.18 | ruskie | NIN101, does the remote use dbus? |
| 18:27.18 | NIN101 | so wait... :-) |
| 18:27.22 | NIN101 | yes. |
| 18:27.31 | ruskie | then wouldn't adding that script to load all the relevant bits help? |
| 18:27.37 | ruskie | forget which one it is |
| 18:27.55 | NIN101 | su - user -c "purple-remote setstatus?status=online" |
| 18:28.07 | Sc0rpius | I really want to kill the stupid moron that put busybox in the N900 |
| 18:28.15 | Sc0rpius | and I actually think the guy who developed busybox deserves to die |
| 18:29.12 | Sc0rpius | user:/home/user/MyDocs/OpenVPN> sudo /sbin/route add -net 216.22.95.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 gw 10.208.218.1 |
| 18:29.13 | Sc0rpius | route: SIOCADDRT: Network is unreachable |
| 18:29.13 | Sc0rpius | user:/home/user/MyDocs/OpenVPN> sudo ping 10.208.218.1 |
| 18:29.13 | Sc0rpius | PING 10.208.218.1 (10.208.218.1): 56 data bytes |
| 18:29.13 | Sc0rpius | 64 bytes from 10.208.218.1: seq=0 ttl=254 time=129.456 ms |
| 18:29.23 | Sc0rpius | just for THAT he deserves a really painful death. |
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| 18:31.13 | ruskie | NIN101, I was more thinking: run-standalone.sh purple-remote setstatus?status=online |
| 18:32.24 | NIN101 | if it switches the user, then it's ok. |
| 18:32.33 | ruskie | shouldn't need to |
| 18:32.38 | ruskie | just needs to set the right dbus |
| 18:32.53 | texasmynsted | Hmmm. |
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| 18:39.27 | NIN101 | texasmynsted: online must be replaced with "available" |
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| 18:46.39 | tsdgeos | hi, i'm developing a program for the n900 with Qt and have found that when i open two different QWidgets they both appear the going to the "window summary" (not sure what is the correct name of that) |
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| 18:47.01 | tsdgeos | do you guys know a way to make only the content of the "last" window show there? |
| 18:47.26 | tsdgeos | I could use a QStackedWidget and then only use one main window and flip between widgets |
| 18:47.33 | tsdgeos | but seems like a hack |
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| 19:53.52 | DocScrutinizer | NIN101: isn't run-standalone.sh for exactly that? |
| 19:54.14 | DocScrutinizer | (instead sudo - user) |
| 19:55.53 | DocScrutinizer | Tscheesy: I think that's exactly the suggested way |
| 19:56.25 | DocScrutinizer | Tscheesy: sorry ETAB |
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| 19:56.39 | DocScrutinizer | tsdg<tabtabtab> grr |
| 19:59.42 | NIN101 | DocScrutinizer: hmm ok. I didn't know tbh :-). |
| 20:00.04 | DocScrutinizer | ;-D |
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| 20:35.34 | Atarii | if I do the "hold U" upgrade process, can I get out of it by removing battery and rebooting, if I don't run flasher.exe? |
| 20:40.20 | Sicelo | u should, yes, but i think it's a bad habit :p |
| 20:41.04 | Atarii | I need to figure out what version of libusb I have |
| 20:41.20 | Atarii | as according to the forums, you can't flash eMMC with Win7 64-bit |
| 20:42.29 | Sicelo | i understand there are problems, yes, but u can always get away with it via a linux live cd. i know Knoppix can do it for you |
| 20:43.04 | Atarii | sorry, what I meant is, that it works perfectly for me, but I have no idea how i did it (set it up ages ago) |
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| 20:43.22 | Sicelo | ok :P |
| 20:43.29 | Atarii | so i'm trying to figure which version of libusb from my downloads folder was the one that I used |
| 20:43.39 | DocScrutinizer | Atarii: stopping the flashing mode "Nokia + USB icon" is simple, just unplug device |
| 20:43.50 | Atarii | ok thanks |
| 20:43.58 | Sicelo | is no more a windows user .. and doesn't think libusb is on Win7, or is it ;) |
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| 20:57.39 | Sicelo | my turn to ask: it's more a networking problem, it seems - i have debian on two of my machines. also a wifi dongle. settinng up an ad-hoc connection betwen n900 and either machine results in pc getting 10.42.43.1 and n900 10.42.43.64 as ip addresses. this gives rise to a situation where i have to ssh-keygen -R 10.42.43.1 on the N900 to be able to ssh to the PCs, because keys are different, but ip is the same. i really wouldn't like to use static ip if at |
| 21:03.12 | Atarii | damn you random libusb folder with random installer_x64.exe, that I have no idea where you came from |
| 21:05.57 | Sicelo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:06.21 | Atarii | yes |
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| 21:06.49 | DocScrutinizer | Sicelo: use same key on both PC, where's the problem? |
| 21:07.37 | Sicelo | i am ssh'ing with N900 to the pc. N900 is the client |
| 21:08.05 | DocScrutinizer | sure |
| 21:08.36 | DocScrutinizer | so you add N900's public key to allowed_hosts of both PCs and done you are, no? |
| 21:09.46 | Sicelo | i haven't yet set up keys, but using passwords |
| 21:10.17 | DocScrutinizer | err authorized_keys |
| 21:10.30 | Sicelo | i get fingerprint authentication ...etc, hence the need for ssh-keygen _R |
| 21:10.44 | DocScrutinizer | well, so your problem is the changing host auth key? |
| 21:10.52 | Sicelo | yes |
| 21:10.58 | DocScrutinizer | ssh -o StrictHostKeyChecking=no -o UserKnownHostsFile=/dev/null -l user IroN900 |
| 21:11.25 | Sicelo | aha, i think that's the one :) |
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| 21:14.35 | Sicelo | thanks. just what i needed (to rtfm) |
| 21:14.54 | Sicelo | ~rtfm |
| 21:14.55 | infobot | rumour has it, rtfm is Read The F*cking Manual (TM). It is a suggestion to do your homework before posting a question. Sometimes used as RTFM $SPECIFIC_MANUAL to refer to a specific source of information. See also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RTFM |
| 21:16.31 | DocScrutinizer | grep -v "10.42.43.1" known_hosts >kh && mv kh known_hosts |
| 21:16.38 | DocScrutinizer | might also help a bit |
| 21:16.58 | nox- | or just comment it out |
| 21:17.42 | nox- | (and after ssh added the new key you can un-comment the old one in case you still need it) |
| 21:18.05 | DocScrutinizer | I prefer the above -o options to ssh though, as you can forget about known_hosts with that. (you can set up same options in ssh's config files) |
| 21:18.27 | nox- | yeah ok thats another way... |
| 21:19.20 | Venemo | http://www.ezepic.hu/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/z%C3%A1szl%C3%B3fail.jpg |
| 21:19.45 | Sicelo | likes the -o way. i find keeping track of auth keys a bit overkill |
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| 22:16.35 | HyperSnyper | wow alot more people in here then i thought there would be |
| 22:16.52 | HyperSnyper | just researching abit, looking into buying an n900 :) |
| 22:17.04 | SpeedEvil | :) |
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| 22:30.04 | DocScrutinizer | HyperSnyper: did you say same thing before? Or is that my deja vu? |
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| 22:32.01 | HyperSnyper | first time i've connected to this network |
| 22:32.18 | HyperSnyper | just started looking into them today |
| 22:35.12 | DocScrutinizer | :-) then there was someone like you in here not long ago |
| 22:35.33 | HyperSnyper | heh, fair enough. do you own a n900 ? |
| 22:35.42 | DocScrutinizer | yoh, 2 |
| 22:35.51 | HyperSnyper | any words of wisdom to share before i buy ? |
| 22:36.03 | DocScrutinizer | and two n810, and a n950 |
| 22:36.03 | HyperSnyper | going to be spending about £150 on arefurb one |
| 22:36.39 | DocScrutinizer | watch out for the USB receptacle |
| 22:36.39 | HyperSnyper | already got debian server, debian NAS, and tuxbox based sat reciever |
| 22:36.49 | HyperSnyper | so ok with nix |
| 22:36.54 | HyperSnyper | orly ? |
| 22:37.23 | DocScrutinizer | N900's achilles heel |
| 22:38.10 | DocScrutinizer | try to make sure it's not been overclocked |
| 22:38.22 | HyperSnyper | yeh that's the only thing im concerned about |
| 22:38.29 | HyperSnyper | no way i'd know though really is there ? |
| 22:38.32 | DocScrutinizer | but I wonder how to do that, so maybe just try to get a good warranty |
| 22:38.53 | HyperSnyper | only new ones i can find are £350+ |
| 22:39.01 | DocScrutinizer | dang |
| 22:39.17 | DocScrutinizer | are they already starting to go up? |
| 22:39.19 | HyperSnyper | to be honest i've not really done alota searching outside of uk stores |
| 22:41.38 | DocScrutinizer | I guess quite a number of potential N900 owners now made up their mind and quit waiting for N9, when it became more and more clear N9 isn't a successor for N900 |
| 22:42.37 | nox- | DocScrutinizer, amazon now has n900 for 600+ when it had them for 350 or so a while ago |
| 22:43.20 | NIN101 | prices are yo-yo on amazon. |
| 22:44.38 | nox- | i can imagine |
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| 23:01.20 | HyperSnyper | DocScrutinizer, do these battery test seem about right to you > http://www.ukmobilereview.com/2009/12/nokia-n900-battery-test-results/ |
| 23:04.59 | DocScrutinizer | nah, I get better results |
| 23:05.25 | HyperSnyper | if i got second battery is it an easy swap ? |
| 23:05.44 | DocScrutinizer | something like 20s |
| 23:05.57 | DocScrutinizer | + bootup |
| 23:06.11 | HyperSnyper | 32GB microsd + battery added to list |
| 23:06.12 | HyperSnyper | heh |
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| 23:07.33 | DocScrutinizer | ~n900-power is http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Power_Consumption |
| 23:07.33 | infobot | okay, DocScrutinizer |
| 23:08.05 | DocScrutinizer | HyperSnyper: ^^^ |
| 23:08.28 | HyperSnyper | thxs |
| 23:08.45 | HyperSnyper | one other question |
| 23:08.48 | HyperSnyper | hides |
| 23:09.14 | HyperSnyper | got aload of media files mp3/xvid on a network share, not upnp though |
| 23:09.25 | HyperSnyper | any experience with playback over network ? |
| 23:10.02 | HyperSnyper | shared via samba from debian NAS |
| 23:10.16 | DocScrutinizer | should just work I think |
| 23:11.53 | DocScrutinizer | http://maemo.org/packages/ |
| 23:11.57 | DocScrutinizer | http://maemo.org/packages/search/?org_maemo_packages_search[1][property]=name&org_maemo_packages_search[1][constraint]=LIKE&org_maemo_packages_search[1][value]=samba&org_maemo_packages_search[2][property]=title&org_maemo_packages_search[2][constraint]=LIKE&org_maemo_packages_search[2][value]=same |
| 23:12.32 | HyperSnyper | true true could just use samba on phone aswell :D |
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| 23:57.02 | DocScrutinizer | ~botsnack |
| 23:57.02 | infobot | thanks, DocScrutinizer |
