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| 00:59.05 | Macer | holy shit. can't believe lcuk is gone. that's messed up |
| 01:02.25 | SpeedEvil | Very. He alwasy had so many ideas. |
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| 02:39.28 | fredrin | oi |
| 02:39.56 | fredrin | I found one extra n900 at work at the buss :D |
| 02:40.08 | fredrin | got two now |
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| 02:42.42 | fredrin | and rm_you |
| 02:42.51 | fredrin | awake? |
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| 03:04.01 | fredrin | wol |
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| 03:07.20 | rm_you | *distracted |
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| 07:52.50 | DocScrutinizer | WB everybody |
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| 07:54.19 | DocScrutinizer51 | WUT, killed for spamming???? |
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| 08:06.15 | DocScrutinizer | unklined again, phoooooh! ;-P |
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| 08:07.29 | DocScrutinizer | [2011-09-21 09:52:32] * DocScrutinizer WB everybody[2011-09-21 09:55:36] [465] You are banned from this server- Temporary K-line 28800 min. - Spam is off topic on freenode. mail kline@freenode.net if in error (2011/9/21 09.53) You are banned from this server- Temporary K-line 2 |
| 08:07.48 | ruskie | what??? |
| 08:08.03 | DocScrutinizer | /ame WB |
| 08:08.14 | ruskie | ohh that annoying idoru thing |
| 08:08.19 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
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| 08:08.36 | crashanddie | wth |
| 08:08.50 | DocScrutinizer | waves |
| 08:08.53 | DocScrutinizer | bbl |
| 08:08.54 | ruskie | they really should hookup crm114 into that so that it can tell the difference between spam and actual people trying to talk |
| 08:09.35 | crashanddie | What happened to slashdot? |
| 08:09.48 | crashanddie | Now you can comment on comments, but in the form of summaries, not comments? |
| 08:09.49 | crashanddie | WTF? |
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| 08:19.27 | DocScrutinizer51 | morning |
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| 08:21.18 | DocScrutinizer51 | ruskie: whats crm114? |
| 08:21.44 | ruskie | http://crm114.sourceforge.net/ |
| 08:21.50 | ruskie | CRM114 - the Controllable Regex Mutilator |
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| 08:25.21 | Estel_ | what the heck is happening here? |
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| 08:26.32 | psychologe | Estel_, he |
| 08:26.44 | Estel_ | hej psychologe |
| 08:26.48 | Estel_ | hey* |
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| 08:32.50 | DocScrutinizer51 | Estel_: eh? what's happening? |
| 08:33.03 | DocScrutinizer51 | netsplit again? |
| 08:33.17 | DocScrutinizer51 | infobot: ping |
| 08:33.17 | infobot | ~pong |
| 08:35.04 | psychologe | Estel_, has you install easy debian,,,,why i install some software ...it auto upgrade some lib file....then my phone reboot..and debian LXDE can't boot.. |
| 08:36.51 | crashanddie | psychologe, don't use ",,,," and "..." all the time. Thanks. |
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| 08:42.34 | Estel_ | DocScrutinizer, I was asking about You being disconnected for 'spam' etc |
| 08:42.57 | Estel_ | psychologe, when using Easy Debian, avoid full distro update to Squeeze |
| 08:43.40 | Estel_ | normally, just use Lenny. When You want some new version, update one by one and check dependencies. Basically, You should not install anything that require update of gconf2 |
| 08:44.06 | Estel_ | also, be sure to *unmark* "treat suggested packages as dependencies" |
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| 08:44.43 | Estel_ | You can try with forcing different versions during update - You can unstall the highest one that doesn't need updated gconf2 |
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| 08:45.18 | Estel_ | this is because Maemo gconf2 is older and new gconf2 doesn't play nicely with Maemo gconf2 (Easy Debian is chrot) |
| 08:46.03 | Estel_ | I wonder, if using Debian *witnout* chrot - i.e. booting into it - solve this. Probably, yes, but I got no idea what may be *"ot* working then. |
| 08:46.07 | Estel_ | I'm off for now |
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| 08:48.41 | psychologe | Estel_, thanks your explain.i understand |
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| 09:02.37 | kerio | wtf is chrot |
| 09:02.43 | crashanddie | chroot |
| 09:04.33 | jacekowski | hi |
| 09:04.40 | jacekowski | i just got my n900 "fixed" |
| 09:04.42 | jacekowski | with N8 |
| 09:04.49 | jacekowski | does anybody know what to do next? |
| 09:05.07 | jacekowski | i mean i didn't accept it, or anything yet |
| 09:06.00 | flux | jacekowski, better ask your money back? |
| 09:06.05 | flux | has worked at least here in Finland |
| 09:06.27 | jacekowski | they offered me 49.99 i've paid for a phone on start of contract |
| 09:06.28 | jacekowski | that's all |
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| 09:06.47 | flux | how much did you pay for the phone in the first place? it was part of a contract? |
| 09:06.58 | flux | oh, right |
| 09:07.00 | flux | you just said it :-) |
| 09:07.19 | flux | not sure if there is a good solution for you :/ |
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| 09:08.25 | windparadise | hello good morning all, pls I am new to this channel, and maemo but I wan to confirm, I am using phonegap and i am told it's possible to convert mobile application from one platform to another, is it true and how is it it done, can you pls send me more docs abt it ? |
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| 09:11.43 | jacekowski | crashanddie_: ? |
| 09:11.53 | jacekowski | crashanddie_: have you had any experience with that? |
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| 09:12.28 | windparadise | any answer ? |
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| 09:14.27 | ruskie | windparadise, sit back and idle someone that might know will respond when they see/feel like it |
| 09:14.52 | windparadise | ok |
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| 09:23.36 | chem|st | wth is phonegap? |
| 09:25.42 | chem|st | jacekowski: on contract... I'd say you have to live with it! sad... |
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| 09:26.18 | chem|st | buy a new and shiny for ~360eur |
| 09:26.27 | chem|st | sell the N8 |
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| 09:29.55 | mece | jacekowski, ouch |
| 09:30.11 | mece | jacekowski, I think an e/ would be more valuable. I'd say buy and sell and buy used N900 |
| 09:30.15 | mece | e7 |
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| 09:31.19 | chem|st | is thinking of buying another new n900 |
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| 09:38.14 | ErwinJunge | jacekowski: I know of one guy who had success by complaining on Nokia's public facebook page. |
| 09:38.56 | ErwinJunge | Nokia kept sending him an N8, he kept sending them back and asking for N900. After a couple of attempts he complained on facebook and presto, they "found" an N900 for him. |
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| 09:42.51 | chem|st | ErwinJunge: contract phone... |
| 09:43.04 | ErwinJunge | chem|st: Same |
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| 09:43.21 | ErwinJunge | Nearly everyone has contract phones here in the Netherlands |
| 09:44.17 | Ikarus | is there a way to sync the calender to a iCal feed (updating ics file) without using google + syncevolution ? |
| 09:44.52 | chem|st | Ikarus: lol |
| 09:45.28 | ErwinJunge | jacekowski: Getting the relevant info for you now, will pastebin conversation in a sec |
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| 09:48.05 | ErwinJunge | jacekowski: http://pastebin.com/yVrFXQCp |
| 09:48.35 | Ikarus | chem|st: that bad ? |
| 09:49.17 | Ikarus | it's the way my uni makes the agenda availible |
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| 09:49.56 | chem|st | Ikarus: webcal would be nice... |
| 09:50.27 | chem|st | you can download and import but there is no feed service afaik, if you find one tell me! |
| 09:50.31 | Ikarus | I guess I'll hackup something |
| 09:50.49 | ErwinJunge | cron? |
| 09:51.23 | chem|st | I need 2way not only reading feeds... |
| 09:51.47 | chem|st | getting the feeds down shouldn't be that a hack... |
| 09:52.17 | ErwinJunge | 2way sync with the uni agenda would need a whole different kind of hack I guess ;) |
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| 09:54.22 | RST38h | Meanwhile: Woman Abducts 8 Children With Same Name From Foster Home |
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| 10:07.31 | ale152 | ErwinJunge! |
| 10:07.35 | ale152 | it worked! \o/ |
| 10:07.42 | ale152 | it was just a permissions problem :D |
| 10:07.44 | ErwinJunge | ale152: cool! |
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| 10:07.57 | ale152 | yeaaaaah :D |
| 10:08.20 | ale152 | now i'm trying to use vumeter to take photos on noise |
| 10:08.54 | ErwinJunge | ? |
| 10:13.44 | ErwinJunge | afk, lunch |
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| 10:15.06 | DocScrutinizer | MOOOO |
| 10:17.23 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: you paid for the phone so you own it now, it's not like it's 49.95 you paid for it. They have to give you another N900, fix yours, or pay as much as it takes so you get another N900 on free market same condition |
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| 10:42.40 | ale152 | ErwinJunge, everything's working :D |
| 10:43.00 | ale152 | i had problem with the camera detect, because gphot2 detects strange things |
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| 10:43.14 | ale152 | but if i set --camera "My camera" it works :D |
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| 10:54.57 | ale152 | ErwinJunge, i have a very stupid problem :\ |
| 10:55.37 | ale152 | gphoto2 seems to need root, but vumeter doesn't support "sudo command"... |
| 10:56.01 | ale152 | i created a bash script with sudo gphoto2, but vumeter does not run it :( |
| 10:57.30 | ale152 | uhm, i could start vumeter from root |
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| 11:04.56 | jiero | My N900 having a strange problem... it cannot be read by my computer now... |
| 11:05.14 | jiero | i mean the fat partation. |
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| 11:06.43 | jiero | Is that possible the eMMc card dieing? |
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| 11:06.52 | Sicelo | fsck it :p |
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| 11:07.30 | jiero | Sicelo: well, I found I lost some images, is it better to do testdisk first? |
| 11:07.42 | jiero | Sicelo: I mean photos ... |
| 11:08.06 | jiero | thanks |
| 11:08.32 | Sicelo | also fine, i think, as long as u do it at your own risk. where are you going to be saving to? |
| 11:09.28 | jiero | I don't know, probably send to desktop via wifi |
| 11:09.47 | Sicelo | just a minute, you will be running testdisk on N900, or from pc? |
| 11:10.07 | jiero | Sicelo: I will try to run on N900 |
| 11:10.27 | jiero | Sicelo: because PC even cannot recognizse the paratition. |
| 11:10.53 | Sicelo | maybe wait for more experienced people here |
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| 11:12.18 | Sicelo | would fsck using BackupMenu. if testdisk needed, i would connect external drive via h-e-n, or use a memory card if the photos will fit in it |
| 11:15.11 | jiero | thanks Sicelo |
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| 12:20.41 | jacekowski | i took N8 |
| 12:20.50 | jacekowski | and i'll be doing ebay thing |
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| 12:35.07 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: well thing is, i paid "49.99" for the phone |
| 12:35.45 | DocScrutinizer | no, you paid for it each month with the fee for your plan |
| 12:36.18 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: N8 is worst deal you get from Nokia, for N900 repair |
| 12:36.37 | jacekowski | well, i've looked at ebay |
| 12:36.45 | jacekowski | N8 seems to be easiest thing to sell |
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| 12:37.07 | crashanddie | what is Nokia is doing is essentially: Oh, you sent me a petrol Land Rover for repair? Well, here is diesel SUV. |
| 12:41.17 | DocScrutinizer | I'd insist on a C7-00, seems it's worth a bit more, and should sell as well |
| 12:41.32 | DocScrutinizer | or even insist on N900 |
| 12:42.23 | DocScrutinizer | Nokia care just trying, so they save the few N900 they got for those few customers that insist in a getting a N900 back |
| 12:43.00 | DocScrutinizer | if you accept N8 then it's your own fault, as Nokia thinks they made you happy |
| 12:43.39 | amiconn | Why C7 vs. N8? They're both symbian... |
| 12:43.52 | amiconn | (i.e. not worthmuch) |
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| 12:44.26 | jacekowski | symbian is a very good os |
| 12:45.16 | MohammadAG | UI, not so much |
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| 12:45.50 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, E7, not C7 |
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| 12:54.09 | jacekowski | E7 is worse than N8 |
| 12:54.16 | jacekowski | esspecialy in terms of ebay pricing |
| 12:54.54 | auenf | E7 is which form factor? |
| 12:55.01 | jacekowski | same as n8 |
| 12:55.03 | jacekowski | candybar |
| 12:55.10 | jacekowski | but with qwerty keyboard |
| 12:55.12 | auenf | n8 with keyboard? |
| 12:55.29 | auenf | (roughly) |
| 12:55.32 | jacekowski | yeah |
| 12:55.36 | jacekowski | slightly smaller battery |
| 12:55.38 | jacekowski | worse camera |
| 12:55.50 | auenf | need more n950 :P |
| 12:55.56 | jacekowski | i think N8 was more like a toyphone while E7 was business |
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| 12:58.12 | auenf | n8 was cam centric |
| 12:58.30 | auenf | e7 was business messaging centric |
| 12:59.17 | jacekowski | can n8 charge via usb? |
| 13:00.13 | auenf | it doesnt have 2.5mm iirc |
| 13:00.44 | auenf | or was it one of the dual charging models :/ |
| 13:00.48 | jacekowski | it does have |
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| 13:09.01 | jipiese | why are there so many people in here ? |
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| 13:13.51 | SpeedEvil | jipiese: We're all insane. |
| 13:14.14 | jipiese | but there usually aren't that many |
| 13:14.43 | SpeedEvil | yes there are. |
| 13:15.03 | jipiese | this just proves how many times i visit this place |
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| 13:45.32 | TomaszD | oh my god lcuk is gone?!!! tell me it's a joke |
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| 13:52.31 | TomaszD | damn |
| 13:52.34 | RST38h | TomaszD: It is not =( |
| 13:52.37 | TomaszD | I remember meeting him |
| 13:52.45 | TomaszD | showing his quirky liq apps |
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| 14:36.55 | ErwinJunge | ale152: Did you get it to work with vumeter? (what is vumeter?) |
| 14:37.21 | ale152 | vumeter is the app with the sound command trigger |
| 14:37.32 | ale152 | it should trigger a command on a noise level |
| 14:37.49 | ale152 | but i have problems with root access that gphoto2 seems to require |
| 14:40.27 | Sicelo | check out the tee command :/ |
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| 14:42.11 | Sicelo | not sure if it will help .. but notice this - http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=7351957&postcount=12 |
| 14:42.35 | Sicelo | it's not related to vumeter, but the principles may work |
| 14:44.35 | ErwinJunge | ale152: Does gphoto2 require root access also without the camera attached for you? Since it doesn't for me. |
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| 14:45.28 | ale152 | only on the n900 |
| 14:45.46 | ale152 | if i do "gphoto2" from the terminal, it gaves me "permission denied" |
| 14:45.51 | ale152 | a need to be root |
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| 14:46.04 | ale152 | but on my desktop it doesn't require root access |
| 14:46.32 | ale152 | oh no, it simply says "gphoto2 not found" |
| 14:47.44 | Sicelo | apt-cache gphoto returns nothing for me, with devel enabled |
| 14:48.34 | ale152 | Sicelo, it's not in repository |
| 14:48.48 | ale152 | you have to download from debian source and compile by yourself |
| 14:49.27 | ale152 | ErwinJunge, if i call "/usr/local/bin/gphoto2" it tells me permission denied |
| 14:50.15 | ErwinJunge | ale152: try ls /usr/local/bin/gphoto2 |
| 14:50.42 | ale152 | uh, solved :D |
| 14:50.48 | ale152 | it was just a permission problem |
| 14:51.28 | ErwinJunge | that's what I guessed, which is why I asked for the ls :) |
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| 14:52.27 | ErwinJunge | If you can get all of this fully working it might be worth it to package this for maemo (since it really requires near zero effort) |
| 14:53.42 | ale152 | i tried to package it, but i can't find dh_make on my scratch box (i installed it after my exam :D) |
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| 14:54.28 | ale152 | hw, now it should work, but i forget h-e-n opened, and my camera killed my battery :( |
| 14:54.52 | ErwinJunge | So back to charging again ;) |
| 14:55.52 | ErwinJunge | I've never packaged anything for maemo, but since the source compiles without change, it shouldn't be too hard (possibly with some help from knowledgeable people in here) |
| 14:56.42 | ale152 | yes, charging again |
| 14:57.42 | ale152 | i should find a double usb cable, in order to use h-e-n and charge the phone at the same time |
| 14:58.26 | ale152 | ok, let's try wth 10% of battery! |
| 14:59.57 | chem|st | bad idea |
| 15:00.39 | ale152 | oh no |
| 15:00.45 | ale152 | it still require root acces to use the camera |
| 15:00.48 | ale152 | *res |
| 15:00.52 | ale152 | *ss |
| 15:02.07 | ale152 | ahohwaohwfoefwha |
| 15:02.10 | ale152 | it worked! \o/ |
| 15:02.17 | ale152 | just running vumeter as root :D |
| 15:03.08 | ale152 | yeah, it's working! |
| 15:03.22 | ale152 | but it has 10 sec of lag!! |
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| 15:04.20 | ale152 | it' a gphoto2 problem, that each time try to connect to the camera and loads its driver |
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| 15:11.13 | ale152 | "This delay is due to the camera loading the meta information of all images on the card. This is mostly unavoidable currently, otherwise we will not really find out the correct path of the captured image. " |
| 15:11.14 | ale152 | :( |
| 15:13.33 | ErwinJunge | ale152: That sounds like the lag should only be in displaying the image on the phone, not in the actual capture |
| 15:14.08 | ale152 | the lag is between the gphoto2 command and the camera trigger |
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| 15:28.51 | ale152 | ErwinJunge, i managed to reduce it to just 1" |
| 15:29.10 | ale152 | but it's abslolutely impossible to use it for high speed photography :) |
| 15:29.12 | ale152 | *:( |
| 15:29.26 | ale152 | i need an external device |
| 15:29.50 | OkropNick | :) http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21128305.500-nokia-app-powers-portable-brain-scanner.html |
| 15:31.39 | ErwinJunge | ale152: high speed photography? you mean like exploding balloon type thing? |
| 15:31.51 | ale152 | yes |
| 15:32.00 | ale152 | it's very easy with an external sound trigger |
| 15:32.25 | ale152 | http://www.doc-diy.net/photo/sound_trigger/ |
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| 15:32.41 | ale152 | but the n900/sw solution is too slow |
| 15:34.06 | ErwinJunge | OkropNick: Very interesting development, but has already been discussed here :) see http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2011-09-17.log.html#t2011-09-17T15:17:03 |
| 15:34.32 | ErwinJunge | What kind of camera are you using for this? |
| 15:34.38 | OkropNick | thanks, I'll check it |
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| 15:38.22 | edheldil | for me the "too fast to capture on n900 camera" is my child :(. n900 camer is *so* slow, it takes picture about a second after I push the button |
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| 15:42.40 | ErwinJunge | edheldil: what ale152 is trying to do is use the n900 as a remote control for an external camera |
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| 15:44.24 | edheldil | ah |
| 15:52.31 | DocScrutinizer | edheldil: even with pre-focusing? |
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| 15:54.03 | DocScrutinizer | and yes, I did some gphoto stuff for automated 360° product scans, and it seems gphoto or probably the external cams are really slow regarding triggering via software |
| 15:54.50 | DocScrutinizer | I guess polling and interpreting the USB interface is not a very high priority task on such a camera |
| 15:55.09 | DocScrutinizer | lo javis.... |
| 15:56.21 | ErwinJunge | ale152: Really interested in the type of camera you are trying this with :) |
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| 16:13.18 | MohammadAG | can someone give me suggestions for something to write on? |
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| 16:13.24 | MohammadAG | a tablet, with a pen |
| 16:13.35 | MohammadAG | the cheaper the better |
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| 16:14.18 | frals | MohammadAG: if you find something decent, let me know |
| 16:15.49 | MohammadAG | frals, sure |
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| 16:16.17 | MohammadAG | I have an LG LT-20 but it's pretty old and run down |
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| 16:23.51 | ErwinJunge | MohammadAG: http://img.tfd.com/wn/1D/6DB15-notepad.gif |
| 16:23.52 | ErwinJunge | ;) |
| 16:24.00 | ErwinJunge | Cheapest tablet with pen you'll find |
| 16:24.28 | ErwinJunge | Generally in the $<1 range. |
| 16:25.16 | MohammadAG | ErwinJunge, seriously... |
| 16:25.23 | MohammadAG | I need it for uni, laptops don't cut it |
| 16:25.44 | ErwinJunge | MohammadAG: If the smiley wasn't clear enough: j/k :) |
| 16:26.10 | ErwinJunge | Serious answer: I have no idea |
| 16:26.28 | MohammadAG | ErwinJunge, I'm gonna need a refund on that second smiley |
| 16:26.36 | Sc0rpius | cheap tablets are terrible |
| 16:26.44 | Sc0rpius | but the cheapest I guess it's a Coby Kyros |
| 16:30.09 | ErwinJunge | MohammadAG: How do you plan to handle the handwriting --> searchable text part of things? |
| 16:30.41 | MohammadAG | ErwinJunge, right now I'm in prestudies |
| 16:30.48 | MohammadAG | I'm taking hebrew so I could use it later on |
| 16:30.55 | MohammadAG | so I need a laptop for google translate and stuff |
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| 16:31.13 | MohammadAG | I also need a notebook to write on to study for tests and such |
| 16:31.36 | MohammadAG | swapping between both is annoying, having one on your lap all the time's more annoying |
| 16:31.45 | MohammadAG | I could just switch windows on a tablet |
| 16:31.57 | ErwinJunge | Maybe a convertible would be the best solution here? |
| 16:31.57 | MohammadAG | I don't care what OS it runs, as long as it has firefox + a note taking app |
| 16:32.18 | MohammadAG | yeah, one with a digitizer, not a capactive screen |
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| 16:38.00 | SpeedEvil | http://gizmodo.com/5842513/megapad-is-the-23+inch-android+based-tabletall+in+one-hybrid-nobody-asked-for |
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| 16:40.37 | Sc0rpius | if I were in the University again, I'd still use a normal notebook and a pencil |
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| 16:46.37 | MohammadAG | Sc0rpius, took much swapping |
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| 17:10.17 | Sc0rpius | I wonder that if we make a Whatsapp client we'd get sued |
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| 17:28.18 | MohammadAG | Sc0rpius, maybe |
| 17:28.27 | MohammadAG | but I'd be happy to assist |
| 17:29.28 | Sc0rpius | well so far I know they created their own XMPP class called "FunXMPP" |
| 17:29.49 | Sc0rpius | also I know they encrypt strings in the code using XOR with five different integers |
| 17:29.57 | Sc0rpius | very easy to decrypt/simulate |
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| 18:17.19 | ErwinJunge | Sc0rpius: Interesting idea, I'd also be happy to assist |
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| 18:19.49 | RST38h | Meanwhile: People trying to email information about the Wall Street protests on Monday using Yahoo mail, found themselves on the receiving end of messages from Yahoo claiming 'suspicious activity'. |
| 18:20.02 | ErwinJunge | Regarding the "getting sued", I've been wondering about this for a while: What if someone anonymously leaked an open source anything that clearly infringes some sort of IP. It'd be impossible to sue, since you wouldn't know who did it. Everyone could still use it, since it's open source. |
| 18:20.33 | SpeedEvil | Because it's opensource does not give you the rights to yse it |
| 18:20.44 | SpeedEvil | you can't use a patented device for any pactical purpose |
| 18:20.48 | SpeedEvil | Even a personal one. |
| 18:20.48 | ErwinJunge | It'd be impossible to check. |
| 18:20.55 | SpeedEvil | You can build it to determie that it works |
| 18:21.01 | SpeedEvil | Well -yes |
| 18:21.05 | ErwinJunge | Essentially, there's no one to sue |
| 18:21.27 | ErwinJunge | The only downside: You'd never be able to take credit for all your hard work |
| 18:23.12 | ErwinJunge | Could still be worth it from an "I hate software patents" point of view |
| 18:30.49 | amiconn | Afaiu anonymous code can't be open source. |
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| 18:32.12 | ErwinJunge | amiconn: Why not? If I create a brand new piratebay account and just dump the source there and do both of these things through tor, that's a pretty anonymous open source release. |
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| 18:34.05 | amiconn | Open source licenses are still licenses, and only a copyright holder can specify the conditions under which the source code is distributed |
| 18:37.01 | Sc0rpius | the thing is |
| 18:37.05 | Sc0rpius | you can get the source of Whatsapp |
| 18:37.12 | Sc0rpius | or something very similar to it |
| 18:37.24 | Sc0rpius | with DEX2JAR first, and then JD-GUI to decompile it |
| 18:37.37 | Sc0rpius | Whatsapp is a little obfuscated but the source is still pretty readable |
| 18:37.55 | Sc0rpius | you can read the whole FunXMPP class |
| 18:37.58 | Sc0rpius | and then port it |
| 18:38.05 | Sc0rpius | and you'll get sued |
| 18:38.26 | Sc0rpius | reverse engineering is a crime or something |
| 18:38.37 | amiconn | If you just find some leaked source which doesn't state both the license and the author(s), you can't do anything with it in public |
| 18:39.46 | amiconn | Yes. You can also get the source of something similar windows by feeding it through a disassembler/ decompiler. Same thing. |
| 18:40.22 | amiconn | *to windows |
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| 18:42.18 | sivang | hey all |
| 18:42.57 | sivang | could someone please confirm that the signed short (8 bits int) goes from 0 to s^n-1 due to the fact it starts from Zero ? |
| 18:43.05 | sivang | DocScrutinizer: ^ |
| 18:43.22 | ErwinJunge | amiconn: Just make the code public domain then, no author neccesary. |
| 18:43.27 | sivang | I am asking why the representation is always 2^n-1 |
| 18:44.01 | ErwinJunge | sivang: since it's signed, shouldn't it go from -x to +x? |
| 18:44.54 | ErwinJunge | or -x to +x+1 |
| 18:45.15 | ErwinJunge | so in your case, -127 to +128 |
| 18:45.17 | sivang | ErwinJunge: oops, unsigned |
| 18:45.25 | sivang | ErwinJunge: Yes, I realize the signed case. |
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| 18:45.52 | ErwinJunge | So you want to know why s == 2? |
| 18:46.02 | amiconn | ErwinJunge: True public domain status is not possible in some countries (e.g. Germany and Austria) |
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| 18:46.32 | amiconn | ErwinJunge: Signed char goes from -128 to +127 |
| 18:46.45 | ErwinJunge | amiconn: The whole point is to just anonymously dump the code somewhere in plain sight, so there is no one to sue and everyone has the ability to use it. No laws required. |
| 18:46.50 | sivang | ErwinJunge: well, since the 2^8 = 256, why they say it goes only until 255, e.g. 2^8-1 |
| 18:46.59 | sivang | I used to know that, and forgot.. |
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| 18:47.10 | ErwinJunge | because it starts at 0, like everything should |
| 18:47.13 | sivang | needs a new memory module. |
| 18:47.25 | amiconn | ErwinJunge: The point is that if it's anonymous, you cannot verify that you're allowed to use it at all |
| 18:47.48 | sivang | ErwinJunge: right, as I said up and guessed, so how come I can give an unsigned short = 256; value? |
| 18:47.49 | ErwinJunge | amiconn: It's impossible to check |
| 18:48.11 | amiconn | sivang: unsigned short is 16 bit |
| 18:48.14 | ErwinJunge | because a short isn't neccesarily 8 bits |
| 18:48.16 | sivang | ah shit |
| 18:48.17 | sivang | okay |
| 18:48.22 | sivang | :) |
| 18:48.30 | sivang | so I will test this on a char, |
| 18:48.33 | sivang | which must be 8 bits. |
| 18:48.34 | amiconn | Or at least it is on most systems |
| 18:48.42 | ErwinJunge | again, not neccesarily 8 bits |
| 18:49.11 | amiconn | Yeah, just on most, as all the other datatypes |
| 18:49.30 | sivang | on my system it is, how can I check how many bits it uses on my specific platform? |
| 18:49.37 | amiconn | There's much fun involved with plain C datatypes ;) |
| 18:49.49 | sivang | C++ compiler did bale out, thanks for the help ErwinJunge now, it all makes sense. |
| 18:50.05 | ErwinJunge | Official ANSI C spec: short int <= int <= long int |
| 18:50.07 | sivang | amiconn: I know, that is why they star in job interviews and why I am asking :-p |
| 18:50.18 | ErwinJunge | Notice the "or equal" |
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| 18:52.10 | ErwinJunge | And I keep forgetting the char one, it's either char is 1 byte, or byte is 1 char |
| 18:52.13 | sivang | ErwinJunge: yeah |
| 18:52.29 | sivang | char is one byte. |
| 18:52.31 | sivang | almost everywhere I saw |
| 18:52.32 | amiconn | Char can be larger than one byte |
| 18:52.35 | sivang | apart from on AS400 or so |
| 18:52.42 | sivang | amiconn: unicode? |
| 18:52.49 | sivang | amiconn: on unicode supporting systems? |
| 18:52.53 | amiconn | no |
| 18:52.57 | sivang | how then? |
| 18:53.25 | ErwinJunge | The point is ofc that 1 byte is not neccesarily the same as 8 bits ;) |
| 18:54.07 | sivang | oh |
| 18:54.12 | sivang | so in EBCIDIC |
| 18:54.15 | sivang | like on the AS400 |
| 18:54.19 | sivang | where a byte is 7 bits |
| 18:54.25 | sivang | char!= byte ? |
| 18:54.27 | sivang | is confuised |
| 18:54.35 | sivang | and can't type as well |
| 18:54.39 | ErwinJunge | Yes it is, but then it's a 7 bit datatype :) |
| 18:54.42 | RST38h | it is still a byte |
| 18:54.55 | RST38h | the extra bit is used for checksum |
| 18:54.55 | ErwinJunge | 0 to 127 |
| 18:55.09 | sivang | RST38h: in EBCIDIC? |
| 18:55.09 | RST38h | Anyways, gentlemen, C/C++ char is 1 byte |
| 18:55.18 | sivang | right! you see :) |
| 18:55.20 | RST38h | wchar_t is 2 bytes and used for Unicode |
| 18:55.33 | ErwinJunge | Isn't C lovely? And by lovely I mean a terrible piece of shit with crappy non-portable unreliable type definitions. |
| 18:55.44 | RST38h | The difference between char and unsigned char (usually typedefed to "byte") is the sign |
| 18:56.05 | RST38h | Erwin: C islovely and not a terrible piece of shit |
| 18:56.24 | RST38h | Erwin:It fixes char type size to 1 byte to prevent bozos like you from writing incompatible code |
| 18:56.24 | ErwinJunge | RST38h: But which defines the other? i.e. is 1 char defined as 1 byte in size, or is the size of a byte defined as the size of 1 char? |
| 18:56.51 | RST38h | Erwin: There is no "byte" type in C standard. There is only "char" type |
| 18:57.02 | RST38h | Erwin: and it has a size of 1 byte. |
| 18:57.20 | RST38h | Erwin: Have you got any further questions to the Captain? |
| 18:57.45 | ErwinJunge | The size of types should be defined in bits, not bytes, to avoid confusion :) |
| 18:58.25 | sivang | RST38h: where is that checksum used? is it in plain char in C/C++ ? |
| 18:58.28 | RST38h | Erwin: Invent a language and define sizes in bits there |
| 18:58.52 | RST38h | sivang: Checksums are often used for data transmissions over noisy lines |
| 18:59.09 | amiconn | sizeof(char) <= sizeof(short) <= sizeof(int) <= sizeof(long) <= sizeof(long long) |
| 18:59.11 | sivang | RST38h: and the AS400 uses that for former modem communication it did? |
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| 18:59.20 | RST38h | sivang: Of course |
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| 18:59.30 | sivang | RST38h: even today some banks in Israel use that.. |
| 18:59.32 | sivang | :-p |
| 18:59.42 | amiconn | char is *at least* 8 bits, short and int are *at least* 16 bits, and long is *at least* 32 bits |
| 18:59.49 | amiconn | That's all that's guaranteed |
| 18:59.50 | RST38h | sivang: Well, Russian banks may still use KOI7 for money transfer messages |
| 18:59.50 | sivang | RST38h: and that is why EBCIDIC char is 7bits? |
| 18:59.57 | sivang | RST38h: LOL |
| 18:59.59 | sivang | ROTFL |
| 19:01.34 | RST38h | sivang: It is 7 bits because the previous Baudat code was only 5 bits and could not fit allthe characters |
| 19:01.55 | RST38h | sivang: Also, Wiki claims that EBCDIC is in fact 8 bits, so they may have expanded it sometime |
| 19:02.44 | amiconn | Aha, posix mandates CHAR_BIT == 8. Otherwise there are several DSPs where CHAR_BIT == 16 or even CHAR_BIT ==32 |
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| 19:04.59 | sivang | RST38h: I see, thanks. |
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| 19:14.37 | amiconn | <nitpick>Baudot code</nitpick> |
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| 19:43.53 | jargon- | how do i sync the podcasts on my netbook with the gpodder on my n900? |
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| 19:45.36 | SpeedEvil | I use rsync |
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| 19:51.23 | jargon- | SpeedEvil: after u copy to your n900 how do u get gpodder to see it? |
| 19:52.52 | SpeedEvil | I don't use gpodder |
| 19:53.00 | SpeedEvil | Sorry, I should have been clearer |
| 19:53.10 | SpeedEvil | I use cuteexplorer, and just click on teh file I want to play |
| 19:53.23 | SpeedEvil | I should investigate something else - but this works fine for me. |
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| 20:16.06 | angelox|laptop | Hi all |
| 20:16.25 | angelox|laptop | my n900 wont boot. I power on it...after some time..it auto-powers off... |
| 20:16.43 | angelox|laptop | 90% of tries it doesn't boot,and 10% it does |
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| 20:20.07 | Sicelo | wonders if a corrupt FS could have a hand in that. I would backup first using BackupMenu |
| 20:21.59 | angelox|laptop | had already flashed ~3 times and got the same problem every time |
| 20:22.43 | angelox|laptop | battery problem maybe? |
| 20:22.56 | Sicelo | possibly |
| 20:23.29 | Sicelo | u also should review your dmesg output after boot :/ |
| 20:24.05 | angelox|laptop | everything seems normal |
| 20:24.25 | angelox|laptop | else some hangs on system showing something like "timeout waiting omap...",don't remember |
| 20:26.30 | Sicelo | sorry i can't help further. but if your flash went find all these 3 times, i'd suspect hardware .. just my pov |
| 20:27.03 | Sicelo | what about overclocking.. was the device ever subjected to it? |
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| 20:28.39 | angelox|laptop | no,never |
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| 21:18.55 | lardman | Did I miss the council election? |
| 21:19.10 | lardman | I have a feeling I might have - apologies, has been busy at work |
| 21:19.24 | RST38h | abill_uk has been elected, crowned, deposed, and beheaded |
| 21:19.39 | lardman | and drawn and quartered? ;) |
| 21:20.00 | RST38h | Frankly, beheading is quite sufficient,no need to get cruel and unusual here |
| 21:20.15 | lardman | lol |
| 21:20.25 | lardman | depends how many chops it takes I guess |
| 21:20.30 | RST38h | There is some possibility that he will continue posting even with his head off, but I am ready to take a chance |
| 21:20.41 | lardman | reminds me of a Zoids comic |
| 21:22.27 | lardman | http://www.zoidstar.com/09/index.html fwiw |
| 21:22.31 | lardman | great comics :) |
| 21:22.43 | chem|st | RST38h: where? |
| 21:22.48 | chem|st | link pls |
| 21:23.23 | lardman | Alptraum |
| 21:23.23 | chem|st | was yesterday or the day before yester this -> || close to ban him again |
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| 21:33.01 | RST38h | chem|st: Be aware that he is posting headless! Like a headless chicken, you know |
| 21:33.31 | chem|st | is aware |
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| 23:12.58 | Macer | sigh |
| 23:13.08 | Macer | sure hope my buddy can fix my n900 |
| 23:13.11 | Macer | i want it back badly |
| 23:13.27 | belsatsar | what is brokend |
| 23:13.38 | Macer | the usb port fell off |
| 23:14.16 | belsatsar | i am waiting for a qwerty model on the ebay |
| 23:14.21 | Macer | er |
| 23:14.27 | Macer | n900 has a qwerty |
| 23:14.28 | Macer | :) |
| 23:14.40 | Macer | you mean an n950? |
| 23:14.45 | Macer | good luck with that |
| 23:15.45 | Macer | omg |
| 23:15.56 | Macer | people are selling an N9 for $800+ on ebay? |
| 23:15.57 | belsatsar | Macer: no, qwertz models are sold in germany |
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| 23:16.00 | Macer | talk about stoned |
| 23:16.04 | belsatsar | without 4 arrow keys |
| 23:16.18 | belsatsar | i was chatting elsewhere for a moment, i am sorry |
| 23:16.22 | Macer | heh |
| 23:16.31 | Macer | $875?! |
| 23:16.34 | Macer | they're crazy :) |
| 23:16.40 | belsatsar | what for |
| 23:16.46 | Macer | a nokia N9 |
| 23:16.57 | belsatsar | oh |
| 23:17.08 | belsatsar | hello replacement n900 |
| 23:17.37 | Macer | i will just stick with my n900 |
| 23:17.37 | belsatsar | have overclocked n900s been breaking yet? |
| 23:17.48 | Macer | don't know ... never really oc'd mine |
| 23:17.56 | Macer | i'm sure some people here have them maxed out |
| 23:18.03 | Macer | i have to wait for my usb port to get repaired |
| 23:18.27 | belsatsar | it is too bad |
| 23:18.30 | Macer | i've been using my G2 for months and wow what a piece of garbage that phone is |
| 23:18.35 | belsatsar | nokia didn't really have to make a new OS |
| 23:18.50 | belsatsar | maemo5 on omap4 would have been fine |
| 23:18.56 | Macer | they didn't.. they bailed on it and started to use MS |
| 23:18.58 | Macer | :) |
| 23:19.00 | belsatsar | with a 4.5" screen and a 2000mAh battery |
| 23:19.14 | Macer | yeah.. i still run maemo on my n900 |
| 23:19.28 | Macer | although i've heard the meego-arm team has gotten mostly everything to work on the n900 |
| 23:19.42 | Macer | i haven't tried it in months tho .. i am sure it needs a lot of work still.. but maemo worked great |
| 23:19.51 | belsatsar | i would like the motorola droid 3 (dual core omap4) with maemo |
| 23:19.57 | belsatsar | or meego even |
| 23:20.04 | Macer | won't happen :( |
| 23:20.22 | Macer | especially now that google owns motorola mobility |
| 23:20.45 | belsatsar | i do not understand, they won't open the hardware to 3rd party OSes? |
| 23:20.51 | Corsac | 4.5" is really too large :/ |
| 23:21.00 | Macer | belsatsar: i doubt it |
| 23:21.19 | Macer | nokia owns the n900 and it seems like the meego team had to pull teeth to get that to work |
| 23:21.43 | Macer | i could only imagine trying to get it to run on something that isn't based on the OS... i really doubt they would open it up like that |
| 23:22.28 | Corsac | hmhm, can't one edit receiving mail server in modest account config? |
| 23:23.24 | Macer | i have to admit tho... i really do like a lot of the android stuff |
| 23:23.28 | Macer | my asus transformer is great :) |
| 23:23.39 | Macer | probably the best netbook i've ever had |
| 23:26.17 | belsatsar | how is the life of battery time Macer |
| 23:38.30 | Macer | long with the keyboard attached |
| 23:38.51 | Macer | i want to say with the keyboard attached it can easily last over 12 hours |
| 23:39.01 | belsatsar | that sounds wonderful |
| 23:39.06 | belsatsar | my thinkpad maxed at 8 |
| 23:39.14 | belsatsar | now more like 2.5 |
| 23:39.40 | belsatsar | i'd like to wait for some screens that can switch to sunlight-readble black/white |
| 23:40.52 | Corsac | transformer is a bit like the touchbook made right, isn't it? |
| 23:40.59 | jargon- | i can't open pics i took,filemanager shows empty folder. copied media files,neiter. http://identi.ca/conversation/84202959#notice-84212672 |
| 23:41.11 | Macer | Corsac: that is exactly what i thought when i got it ;) |
| 23:41.16 | Macer | it is a touchbook that doesn't totally suck |
| 23:41.26 | Corsac | well, it's a touchbook made |
| 23:41.28 | Corsac | :) |
| 23:41.55 | Macer | detatchable keyboard that doesn't tip over .. an OS that actually works... etc :) |
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| 23:54.52 | belsatsar | Macer: is the umts version very expensive? i see like 600 euro |
| 23:55.20 | belsatsar | i'd like an omap4 n810 |
