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00:31.26h_markshello
00:31.59h_markswondering it is posible to do same with nokia n900
00:32.03h_markshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inRWzFeLVko
00:32.24h_marksinteresting video
00:32.37h_marksfor somebody :)
00:33.31h_markswould like to add something similar to my device
00:34.22h_marksmeego could add somthing similar as google doo
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00:36.24h_markshttp://developer.android.com/guide/topics/usb/adk.html
00:38.49h_markswhat do you think?
00:40.17h_marksok clear i like it too
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01:02.47Jerbnikyou see the market cozld aupport linux phones
01:03.12JerbnikIf there was less waste, bureaucracy and war
01:03.46Jerbnikbut we didnt want to think about fighting
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02:00.55Macorwell
02:01.12Macorguess it is comcasts bimonthly outage time
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08:30.33DocScrutinizerduh, pubn.. err jerbnik :-)
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08:32.23JaffaMorning, all
08:32.30DocScrutinizermoo Jaffa
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09:20.42bash`sorry, I didn't check if this has already been discussed, but after the recent updates I cannot lock/unlock my n900 with the key on the right
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09:39.13robbiethe1stHack it, then!
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09:41.46psychologehello badys
09:42.55psychologehas someone instersting hydra .Hydra is a tool to guess/crack valid login/password pairs .......install the newest version on my N900
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11:59.32RST38hBallmer: Windows Phones aren't selling very well, but we're not worried
11:59.38RST38hhttp://www.engadget.com/2011/09/15/ballmer-windows-phones-arent-selling-very-well-but-were-not/
11:59.57ZogGmorning
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12:00.16ZogGRST38h, hey, just read about lcuk, is it true or joke?
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12:00.30RST38hZogG: true =(
12:00.34RST38hWith Nokia we have a dedicated hardware partner that is all-in on Windows Phones, Ballmer said. They are not doing something on Android or [any other operating system].
12:00.38ZogGdamn =(
12:00.48RST38h'damn' does not even start to describe it
12:00.49ZogGhow old he was?
12:00.54RST38h30s
12:01.06ZogGwhat happened ?
12:01.14ZogGwas a good guy =(
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12:01.41RST38hnobody knows
12:02.27RST38hMeanwhile, this Uncle Fester appears to be gloating about the whole Elop deal...
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12:08.30ZogGwho is fester?
12:09.07JaffaZogG: Addams' Family
12:09.23Jaffa(see also: my brother)
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12:13.09_trineit looks like Nokia and Netgear etc are forming a go out of business quick club
12:14.07SpeedEvilWith HP
12:14.21RST38hyou forgot hp
12:14.34RST38hah, ok, SpeedEvil caught it
12:14.36_trinethey'll be part of the etc group
12:15.11RST38hJaffa: Did you try feeding him bulbs?
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12:15.27RST38h[related question: anyone tried feeding Ballmer bulbs?]
12:17.42_trineI didnt know until this week I only live a short distance from where Lcuk lived
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12:23.11ShadowJKWhat's netgear doing?
12:23.23ShadowJKexcept putting bad caps in my ethernet switch
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12:26.03RST38hBallmer: Windows Phone can win third place in mobile!
12:26.10crashanddieI heard they were going down to the beach
12:26.13RST38h[no shit, if they kill Symbian]
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12:27.31RST38hChief executive Steven Elop, a former Microsoft executive, is reported to have decided Nokia phones in the US will only be available ready locked into carriers' networks and that unlocked phones that let you  the consumer  pick the network you want will no longer be sold.
12:27.46RST38hCheers, American users.
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12:29.38CorsacRST38h: isn't that a way to have more nokia phones subsidized?
12:30.04RST38hCorsac: No idea
12:30.09Corsac(I don't know the current state of nokia phones in the us, wrt carriers, but I had the impression they weren't really interested right now)
12:30.29RST38hIt is a way to make sure no discerning power user will ever buy your phone though
12:30.47CorsacI'm not sure it's considered bad though :)
12:31.13RST38hdoubts any amount of ass licking will make a carrier subsidize inferior, unpopular product over a popular one
12:31.28X-FadeWell, they are sort of locked anyway. By network technology. Not a whole lot of options.
12:31.49RST38hActually, latest Nokia phones are (were?) penta-band
12:31.56RST38hso it is not that bad
12:32.14RST38hwon't give you cdma, but you should be ok with gsm/umts networks
12:33.09X-FadeRST38h: And there are lots of those in the US :)
12:33.47RST38hWell, there are just a few carriers in the us to begin with
12:33.54RST38hbut you can at least choose between those
12:34.25X-FadeAfaik there is only one left on gsm?
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12:54.28RST38hX-Fade: Both TMobile and AT&T are GSM and nobody is letting them merge yet
12:55.00RST38hX-Fade: There are also smaller providers around, if I understand things correctly, especially in midwest
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13:07.26DocScrutinizerRST38h: though I admit I never really understood if USA carrier situation is really that bad, it seems to me there are like 100 carriers offering GSM, just only for little patches of whole USA
13:08.15RST38hRight, that is what I have read, although there were only 3 or so (including major ones) at the East Coast
13:08.37GeneralAntillesIt's not that bad.
13:09.02RST38hhas been to AT&T Wireless office and yes, it is THAT bad =)
13:09.37RST38hThey don't care. They don't have to. They are the phone company.
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13:10.50DocScrutinizerhttp://maps.mobileworldlive.com/network.php?cid=280&cname=United States
13:11.13SpeedEvils/ /%20/
13:11.33SpeedEvilThat's an interesting fail.
13:11.56RST38hOMG Verizon running GSM network???
13:14.15DocScrutinizer~GSM_in_USA is http://maps.mobileworldlive.com/network.php?cid=280&cname=United
13:14.15infobotokay, DocScrutinizer
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13:18.39DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: DUH, indeed
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13:18.48DocScrutinizerLOL
13:19.28DocScrutinizerwell, I guess ibot isn't using a per-cahn array of "last said" for each user
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13:21.07DocScrutinizerthe memory footprint is just large enough right now, even without per-channel*per-user history and with some timeout on s/// as well (though I guess the timeout doesn't purge the history)
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13:22.59DocScrutinizermeanwhile, what's THAT: http://cordiatab.com
13:23.11RST38hThat is smoku
13:26.16DocScrutinizerGeneralAntilles: not that bad? please elaborate
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13:27.15DocScrutinizerGeneralAntilles: do you mean it's not that bad that there are so many small local GSM carriers, because <some way to cope with it>. Or do you suggest this proposition is basically incorrect?
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13:34.49ZogGVenemo hey
13:35.10ZogGlong time no see
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13:44.13GeneralAntillesDocScrutinizer, I'm suggesting the choice selection for most areas isn't any more limited than the ISP selection would be
13:44.27GeneralAntillesand that most US consumers don't actually care whether it's GSM or not.
13:44.34GeneralAntillesAs their get their phones from their carriers
13:44.41GeneralAntilless/their/they/
13:44.52RST38hThe service is atrocious though
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13:45.16GeneralAntillesThat's incredibly area dependent.
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13:47.22_trineShadowJK, they had some great routers with atheros chipsets now they have built the new design with crappy broadcom
13:48.22RST38hGAN: I mean the customer service, not the signal quality (which also seems to be lacking with everyone but Verizon)
13:48.38GeneralAntillesAlso seems to be area dependent.
13:48.59GeneralAntillesBut, yes, government-supported monopolies behaving like monopolies is a Bad Thing.
13:53.01xnt14lcuk's death still makes me feel numb inside, even today.
13:53.15xnt14:(
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13:58.09crashanddieDocScrutinizer, do you mind putting the topic back
13:58.20crashanddieshrink the current link
13:58.37DocScrutinizerok
13:58.45*** mode/#maemo [+o DocScrutinizer] by ChanServ
13:59.42*** topic/#maemo by DocScrutinizer -> Welcome to #maemo http://maemo.org/intro/ | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council | Source: http://wiki.maemo.org/Sources | Chanlog: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog || R.I.P lcuk http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-community/2011-September/004501.html
13:59.56DocScrutinizergoing to shrink later
14:00.09DocScrutinizerwe already had larger topic poems
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14:01.16ruskiehttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/09/15/windows_phone_disappoints/ <-- hehe
14:02.52chem|struskie: I wonder why... the biggest phone manufacturer ever bids on that horse (me thinks it is a gambling-decease in .fi)
14:03.05ruskiedisease ;)
14:03.31ruskiehttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/09/15/search_companies_and_isps_may_be_asked_by_gov_to_tackle_copyright_infringement/ <-- omg... "Online file-sharing is a 'direct assault on freedoms'"
14:03.55RST38hNice
14:04.00crashanddieruskie, what out mate, you're starting to sound a lot like pupnik there ;)
14:04.27crashanddienext thing we know, you're going to start raving about al qaeda and bush.
14:04.28RST38hcrash: To be honest, this particular headline made me cringe too, this morning
14:04.34crashanddieI know
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14:35.18ruskiehttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/09/15/paypals_big_plan/ <-- hmm
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14:35.38RST38hBTW, where is pupnik? Is he ok?
14:36.29GeneralAntillesHaven't heard from him in what feels like months.
14:37.02RST38hthese recent news suddenly made me wonder where everybody else is
14:37.09RST38hqwerty12 included
14:37.27Sicelo~seen pupnik
14:37.40infobotpupnik <~pupnik@p54B2A321.dip.t-dialin.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 110d 5h 5m 56s ago, saying: 'o/'.
14:37.56RST38ho/
14:41.35X-Fadehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNUgFYRrDGM
14:41.50X-FadeNice video by Gary.
14:44.18javispedroRST38h: well, you know qwerty12's goodbye "love letter"
14:44.45javispedroRST38h: and pupnik's last day here he was rather ... himself. but 100x times worse.
14:44.53RST38hX-Fade: Yeah, I remember this one, as well as discussion (at a cafe in AMS) about how this demo can be extended to multiple N900s placed on a desktop
14:45.00rm_worki have still been worried about jott, finally called his phone a month or so ago and got a german automated message... left a message on it... his site is stale/dead now...
14:45.12RST38hjavispedro: I actually liked the letter =)
14:45.24RST38hjavispedro: He left in style!
14:45.44rm_workqwerty left a goodbye letter when he left?
14:45.47rm_worki missed that
14:45.59ShadowJKiirc it was "fuck you"
14:46.11ShadowJKin 1000 words
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14:49.02rm_workanyone have a link to that?
14:52.57penguinbaitqwerty :)
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14:54.03GeneralAntillesrm_work, it was very sweet.
14:54.13GeneralAntillesJaffa got a shoutout
14:54.14GeneralAntillesas did crashanddie.
14:54.48javispedroit's still on the wiki =)
14:56.38crashanddieIn all fairness, I got back in touch with qwerty afterwards, and he did apologise for what he said.
14:56.48penguinbaitI used to love internettablettalk.com
14:57.48GeneralAntillescrashanddie, yeah, I wasn't all that excited by the diatribe.
14:57.57GeneralAntillespenguinbait, we all did.
14:58.05rm_workyeah :/
14:58.10rm_workand then it became... TMO. T_T
14:58.19GeneralAntillesThen it got filled with the sorts of people who buy MetaWatches and then ask why they can't pair them with their "iPhone 4"s.
14:58.33GeneralAntillesrm_work, its death had very little to do with that
14:58.37crashanddieoh, there we go.
14:58.39GeneralAntillesand everything to do with rising platform popularity.
14:59.07crashanddieand not sheltering the devs from the community.
14:59.15GeneralAntillesActually, let me revise that s/people who buy MetaWatches/people who PREORDER MetaWatches/
14:59.17javispedro(someone will now be forcibly obligated to put something about elitism, etc.)
14:59.27GeneralAntillesjavispedro, you smug bastard.
14:59.39GeneralAntillesjavispedro, how's't anyway?
14:59.46javispedroglances at the watch... oh, 5pm =)
15:00.09javispedrowell, it's still missing a few minutes to 4-hour change as it said on the online instruction booklet
15:00.24javispedro*charge
15:00.41javispedrothe band looks slightly cheaper than what I thought
15:00.57javispedrofortunately, it seems easy to replace
15:01.43GeneralAntillesThat's too bad.
15:01.46javispedroand what they say about the display is true: there's a mirror behind the LCD -- so "white" pixels are not actually white but totally reflective
15:02.01GeneralAntillesWeird choice
15:02.44javispedrotherefore you can get into a very low contrast situation
15:02.50rm_workhrm
15:02.51javispedrobut imo, still readable
15:02.59rm_workdoesn't even know what a metawatch is
15:03.04javispedroneed to check how it looks under sunlight
15:04.05javispedroalso, left buttons are a bit hard to press; on the other side, right ones are quite easy.
15:04.11javispedroI think this is clearly intentional
15:04.32javispedrobut you probably need to know if you are lefty
15:04.47GeneralAntillesrm_work, http://metawtach.org
15:04.57GeneralAntillesNow owned by a former Nokia exec and some Fossil people.
15:05.10javispedrohttp://metawatch.org/
15:05.43rm_workthat looks... neat?
15:06.07javispedrorm_work: wait until I put my demo online of running QML on the watch =)
15:06.12rm_worklol
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15:06.33javispedro(it actually runs on the phone, controlling watch display via BT)
15:06.57javispedrostill not done the BT part =) but QML part (calculating damaged area, etc.) is done
15:07.35rm_workso if weather.com says it is forecasted to be rainy today, you can have your watch just display a huge picture of an umbrella so you can remember before you walk out the door? :P
15:08.02javispedroit can display the huge umbrella while vibrating
15:08.07rm_worklol
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15:08.23rm_workdoes it have a speaker?
15:08.25rm_workor just a beeper
15:08.28javispedroneither
15:08.32rm_worklolwut
15:08.32BCMMjavispedro: the idea of an internet-connected watch amuses me
15:08.36javispedroa sad omission imho, I would've enjoyed a beeper.
15:08.43javispedroit does have an accelerometer.
15:08.47javispedrobut I fail to see an use for it.
15:08.48rm_workso it cannot be used as a stopwatch. k.
15:09.04BCMMpartly because it would make it fairly easily possible to have dramatic things happen when you press the button on a watch
15:09.12rm_workBCMM: an internet connected watch is what i've wanted for the past 12+ years
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15:09.20BCMMlike... explosions, i suppose
15:09.24javispedrowell, my plan is to allow for QtQuick plugins to be written for the watch
15:09.26rm_worklol yes
15:09.31javispedroI am calling them Watchlets =)
15:09.36BCMMor at least a loud explosion-like sound from a nearby stereo
15:09.50BCMMthat would actually be a fairly entertaining prank
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15:10.02rm_workcome home to see FBI van parked in front of house -> press button on watch -> computer at home triggers a mini-EMP in your house
15:10.05GeneralAntillesjavispedro, pedometer?
15:10.12javispedroGeneralAntilles: oh, good point.
15:10.18rm_workGeneralAntilles: so you can detect pedophiles?
15:10.26javispedrohttp://pastebin.com/aLRzqnN0 <-- a qml "watchlet" sample
15:10.32javispedro(note: raw source code)
15:10.34BCMMamericans can't spell greek...
15:10.41rm_workalways thinks of "pedometer" as a pedophile detecting device
15:11.20GeneralAntillesjavispedro, did you see the Python lib for N900?
15:11.30javispedroyeah
15:11.49javispedroI am missing exactly the BT part so I will take a look.
15:13.00BCMMMy non-IRC-using friend has an N900 that lost its USB port in the classic fashion. Will Nokia Care be able to tell that he took it to pieces to inspect the damage?
15:13.16GeneralAntilles<_< http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vp30JdsUjM
15:13.31BCMMis there some tamper-evident thing somewhere?
15:13.51ShadowJKfirst question is obviously: why the fuck did he take it apart if he still has warranty?
15:14.24harbaumjavispedro: Do you actually have one of these?
15:14.26BCMMShadowJK: i only just told him he still has warranty. also, he's an engineering student; i think they like taking this apart
15:14.29javispedroharbaum: charging it now
15:14.36javispedro(for the first time)
15:14.46BCMMalso, what are nokia care UK doing at the moment with broken N900s? still offering to replace with the full-retail-kit version of some other handset?
15:14.47harbaumWhere do you got it from? Are they being sold?
15:15.20javispedroharbaum: seemingly a batch of the digital one went through, and for some reason I got one despite having preordered it just a week ago
15:15.28rm_workBCMM: if he's an engineering student, just have him solder a usb plug back on it T_T
15:15.33harbaumOhm they have a forum for me: Hardware Interface Projects 0 posts, 0 topics
15:15.33harbaumFor those who immediately void the warranty on purpose.
15:15.41rm_workit is easily possible if you know what you're doing
15:15.41javispedroto GeneralAntilles' disgust =)
15:15.47rm_workor have him ask his professor to do it
15:15.53GeneralAntillesharbaum, it's clearly because he bribed somebody in TI's shipping department.
15:16.00javispedroGeneralAntilles: proba
15:16.18javispedroprobably the lady who fixed my.Ti account =)
15:16.19BCMMrm_work: he hasn't done it yet because he wasn't sure he could get the soldering iron at the right angle
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15:16.46BCMMrm_work: i told him i was sure other people had soldered them, but at this point he'd rather not screw thing up warrenty-wise
15:16.51BCMMif he hasn't already
15:17.15BCMMnow, i would imagine that they don't even open it if the port has fallen off, but if they do, can they tell it's been previously opened?
15:17.31harbaumjavispedro: Did you get the digital or analog one?
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15:17.41ShadowJKAren't there some loctited screws in there that would be mysteriously loose?
15:17.48javispedroharbaum: digital
15:18.23javispedroso, let's try to get this qtmobility bluetooth thing to work before I curse the entire thing and go raw sockets.
15:19.08BCMMShadowJK: is that the blue screws?
15:19.35ShadowJKyeah
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15:39.30BCMMShadowJK: thanks
15:40.45ShadowJKnobody knows of any tamper detection anyways
15:41.03ShadowJKiirc neither that or moisture detector is mentioned in service manuals
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16:03.12javispedrolols
16:03.21javispedroso, trying auto pairing crashes the watch
16:03.37javispedroto be fair, they do say "SSP pairing mode" is "beta"
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16:51.43RST38h"I want to make a product. I have the prototype and motivation and am trying to learn how to do business." - lcuk@twitter, 5 Sep 2011
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17:00.00MohammadAGjavispedro, the watch crashes/can crash?
17:00.28javispedroMohammadAG: well, it's a computer...
17:00.45MohammadAGjavispedro, so's my car
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17:01.04javispedro<insert joke about crashing cars here>
17:01.05MohammadAGoh wait, that says check oil and turns off by itself sometimes
17:01.23javispedroeither way, it's clearly a prototype
17:01.39javispedrothey basically tell you to go and find your own way to flash the muC.
17:01.42javispedro*uC
17:01.44ShadowJKYou check oil, oil is fine, and it still says check oil, you tell it to go fuck itself, and it turns itself off?
17:01.48MohammadAGprobably cause it wipes the floor with oil overnight
17:02.33MohammadAGShadowJK, so i'm driving down a hill the other day
17:02.38MohammadAGstressed it a bit
17:02.48MohammadAGand it turned off
17:02.57GeneralAntillesjavispedro, not shipping 'til mid October
17:03.01GeneralAntillesI'm going to go die now.
17:03.34MohammadAGbrake didn't work anymore, steering locked, it's on drive (yes, it's automatic) and oh... yeah, it's on a steep hill
17:03.36javispedroGeneralAntilles: that's what TI told you? O.o
17:03.47MohammadAGebrake helped, though some part inside me cringed
17:03.55RST38hMohammad: handbrake then?
17:04.13MohammadAGRST38h, isn't that called an ebrake nowadays?
17:04.16RST38hWhat kind of death machine is that?
17:04.22RST38hMohammad: I am old fashioned
17:04.23MohammadAGVW Golf
17:04.27RST38hUrgh
17:04.49MohammadAGWell, I'd get a BMW if I had the money
17:04.53ShadowJKMy car's steering and brakes continue to function even if engine is off. Granted, I only get one or two power-assisted braking and after that it's unassisted :-)
17:05.04RST38hBMWs also get this thing
17:05.15RST38hNot as murderous, but still
17:05.22ShadowJKand if I put it in gear and spin up the engine with the clutch I get powersteering back too :-)
17:05.25MohammadAGbut i'm fine with this, except I desperately need an AUX plug in it
17:05.37ShadowJK(I have a habbit of coasting through towns with engine off)
17:05.41ShadowJKin the middle of hte night
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17:06.03RST38hWearing a mask and a cape?
17:06.14MohammadAGwas 4 AM the other day with no one in sight, had it going at 190kmph
17:06.27MohammadAGthat was fun
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17:07.06MohammadAGanyone know those tape to 3.5mm adapters?
17:07.22RST38hyes
17:08.11RST38hYou may be better off buying a $100 car radio/cd with an aux
17:08.28RST38hA lot of them have USB and/or SD card sockets nowadays,too
17:09.28GeneralAntilles^
17:09.37GeneralAntillesThe tape adaptors are really atrocious.
17:09.55RST38hwell, they do work, just not very well
17:10.11MohammadAGwhy didn't some smartass make them for CDs?
17:10.11MohammadAGumm question
17:10.11MohammadAGdoes every app on Harmattan have an instace of the status menu?
17:10.11MohammadAG+n somewhere in there
17:10.19ShadowJKsince when do vw golf have a check oil light
17:10.35RST38hit does not?
17:10.37MohammadAGRST38h, don't have any tape in it
17:10.46MohammadAGerr, forever?
17:11.02MohammadAGit has an airbag light too, wonder what means
17:11.18MohammadAG20:10 RST38h: You may be better off buying a $100 car radio/cd with an aux
17:11.28MohammadAGi'd do that if my parents didn't mind
17:11.40RST38hmeans your airbag controller hasbeen borked
17:11.49RST38hso,pray it does notlight up
17:11.51MohammadAGnothing to worry about then
17:12.04RST38hMohammad: WOuldn't they like a new stereo?
17:12.50ShadowJKno, because new stereos are hard to use
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17:14.16DocScrutinizerlol
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17:16.52GeneralAntillesjavispedro, did you at least get some unboxing pictures?
17:17.02Estel_hello there
17:17.04GeneralAntillesjavispedro, I mean, you gotta be the first person to take unboxing pictures of a MetaWatch with an N950.
17:17.06MohammadAGRST38h, it's always lit
17:17.30MohammadAGRST38h, they listen to CDs, those are so last decade
17:18.07MohammadAGanyone used the N950's video cam?
17:18.17MohammadAGit's awesome
17:18.32RST38hif your airbag light is always lit, this usually means that either the airbag or its controller are broken
17:18.34javispedroMohammadAG: MTF apps at least get the statusbar "screenshot" via a shared pixmap then proceed to render it wherever they feel to
17:18.39RST38hAt least in Hondas and Toyotas
17:18.52RST38hMohammad: those cheap stereos usually include CD
17:19.01javispedroGeneralAntilles: hah, I didn't =)
17:19.07GeneralAntillesLoser.
17:19.11MohammadAGRST38h, point is, they don't mind the stereo in it
17:19.13GeneralAntillesYou don't even know what you've got.
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17:20.00javispedrogiggles
17:20.08javispedrooh, look at the time.
17:20.25javispedroI should be working =)
17:20.48MohammadAGso i need a reason to get a new one
17:21.01MohammadAGoh and new speakers, these suck
17:21.01MohammadAGwhat happens when it crashes?
17:21.01MohammadAGYou sir, have fucked me up
17:21.01MohammadAGor something like that?
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17:21.32javispedrowell, when a car crashes, airbags deploy. usually.
17:21.53MohammadAGjavispedro, qml apps use the same mech as mtf
17:22.14MohammadAGQt apps are different
17:22.14MohammadAGbut cool, it's just a shared pixmap
17:22.22MohammadAGthought it was a status area for every app
17:22.42javispedrothe procedure to "fetch" it is rather complex though
17:22.52javispedroseemingly the root window has a property which is another window which has the pixmap as property
17:22.58DocScrutinizerRST38h: (broken) ...or the right seat airbag is on babyseat mode
17:23.16MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, doubt it's that
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17:23.43DocScrutinizergiven your locale I also doubt it
17:24.12MohammadAGjavispedro, so it's handled by the compositor?
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17:24.37DocScrutinizerprobably when you open the controller module, you'll find the loose gears of an old wrist watch and nothing else inside
17:24.46MohammadAGumm, is replacing car stereos easy?
17:24.53DocScrutinizeryup
17:25.15DocScrutinizerif you got arms with 7 joints
17:25.16javispedroMohammadAG: I think it's both systemui and compositor -- systemui owns the second window, compositor owns the root one
17:27.39MohammadAGtechnically, my fingers have 15 joins, my writst has one, my upper arm has another one, and my shoulder has the final joint
17:27.48MohammadAGso yeah i have 7+ joints :p
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17:28.14DocScrutinizerjavispedro: what the hell are you talking bout? MW?
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17:28.33javispedrono, the harmattan statusbar
17:28.38DocScrutinizerMEH
17:28.45javispedroMohammadAG started! I promised!
17:28.58javispedro*promise
17:30.35DocScrutinizerI love how MW has just a pixmap that can have a second window for system info (read time, date) superimposed
17:31.41javispedroquite cheaply done
17:31.45DocScrutinizerAnd I'll be damned if a mediaplayer widget displayed on that MW and controlled by at least 4 of the 6 buttons isn't the coolest thing since sliced bread
17:31.57javispedroquite cheaply done too.
17:32.17javispedrowell, is it known how to control harm's media player?
17:32.25javispedro(fremantle I know)
17:32.29DocScrutinizerfsck HARM
17:32.59DocScrutinizerbuild it on fremantle, when it works bother to port
17:33.11javispedroactually I'm using qt
17:33.15DocScrutinizerif that aegis coffin hasn't flopped completely until then
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17:35.48javispedrois not so sure about keeping qtgui loaded always as a daemon on fremantle. OTOH, half of the applications already do that on harm..
17:36.44RST38hyeah
17:36.58RST38hbut harmattan is working in a much larger memory pool
17:37.08RST38h+ it swaps some to gzipped ram
17:38.24DocScrutinizerwrites an autokick autoresponder on .*[Hh]armattan.*
17:38.43ruskiehttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/09/15/no_plug_ins_on_windows_eight_browser/
17:38.48RST38hHey, hey, don't get excited =)
17:39.02javispedroharmattanized the dark side of the force is
17:39.05RST38hruskie:intended userbase won't need any
17:39.13ruskiehehe
17:40.46javispedroRST38h: see how they're being partially serious with their new JS crap
17:41.01DocScrutinizeractually some particular person made me curse the system architects for no reason, by his proposition that batery savings mode was the method of choice for reducing battery wear of terribly poor written dta traffic hogging apps
17:41.15javispedroBallmer has probably read about all those CEOs crapping on their own companies, Elop, etc. and decided to follow
17:41.36RST38hcan guess who it was
17:41.46RST38hjavispedro: Nah, I doubt anyone will miss plugins
17:41.54javispedrowhat?
17:42.00RST38hjavispedro: The last one to go was Flash, and that was mainly for Youtube
17:42.10javispedroyou're forgetting minigames
17:42.11ruskieI already don't use any plugins
17:42.16RST38hjavispedro: You can now do most of these in HTML5
17:42.36javispedrowhen I enter a lab room right after dinner virtually every other computer has a flash games website opened =P
17:42.42javispedro*lunch
17:42.43RST38hjavispedro: And if you are going to tell me they will need a rewrite, scroll back to what I said about attention span a couple of hours ago
17:43.13RST38hBTW, Ballmer has said something more interesting today
17:43.13javispedrobut but but, the facebook farm thing!
17:43.35RST38hFacebook is full of cattle as it is, does not need games.
17:43.37javispedroor is that passé already?
17:43.43DocScrutinizerfsck flash, fsck JS, back to the basics and shoot all web-designers
17:43.53ruskiehttp://html5games.com/
17:44.27RST38hHere:
17:44.38RST38hhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/09/15/windows_phone_disappoints/
17:44.57javispedroeither way, they'll eventually allow activex crap for all their real clients
17:44.59RST38hand http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/15/ballmer-windows-phones-arent-selling-very-well-but-were-not/
17:45.11javispedroand the only one damaged from this will be, obviously, theora/webm plugins.
17:45.13RST38hGoogle is already allowing activex in chromeOS
17:45.15DocScrutinizerRST38h: *YAWN* now thats new?
17:45.17RST38hcalling it "native client"
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17:45.32RST38hDoc: It is the person saying it which is new
17:45.46javispedronice picture
17:45.57javispedrothe guy really fits there
17:46.09RST38hjavispedro: Actually, it looks like there won't be native development neither for WP nor for Win8
17:46.31RST38hjavispedro: Microsoft is pushing C# everywhere, so unless you are Google or Adobe, you will not be getting native SDK
17:46.44javispedrothey're pushing JS for Win8
17:47.38javispedrotbh, I can't wait and see how this entirely UI is done and compare the binaries with the Win7 Media Center executables, and check for matches =)
17:47.52javispedro*"entirely new UI"
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17:48.46RST38hjavispedro: reports say that XAML will be preferred api for ui
17:48.46DocScrutinizer"I won't say I'm not saying I love where we are, but I'm very optimistic to where I think we can be," Ballmer said. WTF?! pardon my french
17:49.17RST38hDoc: that is to throw journos off his tracks
17:49.19javispedroXAML is something like QML, but you need to attach a language to it
17:49.38javispedroa imperative one, I mean.
17:49.39RST38hDoc: An average journo will only parse "love" and "optimistic" from this statement
17:49.50RST38hjavispedro: C#
17:49.59DocScrutinizershots an evil forkbomb virus into Balmer's wetware
17:50.04javispedro(or JS ;P )
17:50.19RST38hor js, yes
17:51.23DocScrutinizer~shoot Balmer
17:51.23infobotACTION shoots Balmer in the foot with a quantum singularity weapon!
17:52.02RST38hMeanwhile: US Postal Service Considers Closing Facilities to Save Money
17:52.47RevdKathyBlimey. that's a headache of a statement from Ballmer. Is it lifted from "How to avoid saying anything for business execs"?
17:53.03RST38hNo, it is his original work
17:53.27RST38hA classic Ballmer.
17:53.56RevdKathyoh silly me, yes. It's apple who lift other people's work and pass it off as their own.
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17:54.28infobotcmd: shoot (.*?) -- created by Utah_Dave <n=boucha@0-3pool128-51.nas28.salt-lake-city1.ut.us.da.qwest.net> at Tue Aug 23 01:50:03 2005 (2214 days); it has been requested 250 times, last by DocScrutinizer, 1m 2s ago.
17:54.41RST38hAll successful people do. Nobody got successful by working all thetime.
17:54.53DocScrutinizerremind me to buy Utah Dave a beer whenever we meet
17:55.31DocScrutinizer~seen Utah_dave
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17:55.45DocScrutinizerduh
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17:56.00RST38hnot very talkative, is he?
17:56.33DocScrutinizerwell, like 90% of IRC users
17:56.58DocScrutinizerhe probably wrote enough when creating all those *awesome* factoids and cmds for ibot
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18:02.30infoboti heard lart-tmo-lemming is http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/posting
18:02.54DocScrutinizercrashanddie: ^^^ you'll love that :-)
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18:21.28DocScrutinizerjavispedro: anticipating for true the hypothesis it's bme that makes diablo randomly reboot - how would I intercept that and rather rise a notifier or play an alarm?
18:21.51DocScrutinizerShadowJK: maybe it's better addressed to you ^^^?
18:22.00javispedrobme dies
18:22.11javispedroand thus, sw watchdog reboot
18:22.35DocScrutinizerso tweaking dsmetool -k bme should to the trick?
18:22.48javispedrofeel free to try =)
18:22.52DocScrutinizerlol
18:23.09javispedroat least my N810 by now reboots so often while charging it is nearly unusable..
18:23.49DocScrutinizersame here, well the random time range is from 3 times a day to once a month
18:25.00DocScrutinizerand I'm *pissed* about that
18:25.03javispedroit does it like every 5 minutes, decreasing as the battery gets charged. Once charged and unplugged, it never reboots
18:25.22javispedrowell the official answer is to discard the battery
18:25.36DocScrutinizerI did that, no change a fresh one
18:25.46DocScrutinizernot really anyway
18:26.12DocScrutinizerhard to tell with 5h..40d random period
18:26.18ShadowJKiirc I switched off some flags with flasher
18:26.32DocScrutinizer:-o
18:26.42DocScrutinizerR&D mode no sw-wd
18:26.53bash`the button on the right of my n900 doesn't unlock/lock the screen anymore :(
18:26.55DocScrutinizermaybe worth a try
18:27.06ShadowJKthen I added a while true ; do chroot /mnt/initfs /bin/bme_rx-44 ; done
18:27.11ShadowJKto force charge
18:27.16DocScrutinizerbash`: first question: is the switch nrken?
18:27.20DocScrutinizerbroken even
18:27.29ShadowJKalas, this made the battery very very hot, so I bought a new one instead
18:27.49bash`DocScrutinizer: hi, sorry what "nrken" is?
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18:28.16DocScrutinizera typo ;-D
18:28.21bash`:D
18:28.25bash`DocScrutinizer: today isn't working anymore, yesterday it was
18:28.30ShadowJKon third battery in my N810 actually. Also need to get a third for my N800, but it's kinda hard to find now
18:28.32bash`I didn't play with it...
18:28.34ShadowJKnrken = mistyped broken
18:28.48bash`ShadowJK: never see that :P
18:29.17ShadowJKb and n are next to eachother, then he just missed o conpletely
18:29.36bash`yep, understand
18:29.40DocScrutinizer[2011-09-15 20:27:15] <DocScrutinizer> bash`: first question: is the switch nrken? [2011-09-15 20:27:20] <DocScrutinizer> broken even
18:30.04bash`DocScrutinizer: no, it isn't
18:30.17DocScrutinizerhmm, so what tells your syslog?
18:30.56ShadowJKDocScrutinizer, as far as I can tell, the abort condition I encountered in diablo bme was something like if (Vbatt > 4500mV) panic();
18:30.58bash`syslog? does the n900 has logs for this stuff? let me check
18:31.42ShadowJK'dmesg': [57184.402221] kb_lock (GPIO 113) is now open
18:31.54clawi am getting following err : The following package has unmet dependencies : mp-fremantle-community-pr Depends: gstreamer0.10.plugins-bad-extra but is not going to be installed E: Broken Packages
18:32.00bash`DocScrutinizer: which file should I read?
18:32.19ShadowJKbash`, type dmesg in an x-terminal
18:32.24DocScrutinizerbash`:
18:32.25DocScrutinizerSep 15 20:31:23 IroN900 kernel: [39968.307342] kb_lock (GPIO 113) is now closed
18:32.27DocScrutinizerSep 15 20:31:23 IroN900 systemui-tklock[3139]: Method call received from: :1.13, iface: com.nokia.system_ui.request, method: tklock_close
18:32.28DocScrutinizerSep 15 20:31:24 IroN900 browser[2128]: GLIB CRITICAL ** hildon-1 - hildon_window_get_is_topmost: assertion `HILDON_IS_WINDOW (self)' failed
18:32.30DocScrutinizerSep 15 20:31:24 IroN900 kernel: [39968.869567] kb_lock (GPIO 113) is now open
18:33.17DocScrutinizerbash`: tail /var/log/syslog
18:33.17DocScrutinizeror simply dmesg
18:33.38ShadowJKsyslog doesn't exist unless you've installed sysklogd etc from tools repo
18:33.42bash`DocScrutinizer: I was looking for /var/log/syslog but there is none
18:33.50bash`http://pastebin.com/NABa4VW8
18:33.53DocScrutinizersee ^^^ ShadowJK
18:34.00bash`yes I just read that
18:34.06bash`(installing anyway)
18:35.07DocScrutinizerbash there's exactly two lines in dmesg when you do dmesg immediately after you operated lockswitch:
18:35.16DocScrutinizer[39968.307342] kb_lock (GPIO 113) is now closed
18:35.18DocScrutinizer[39968.869567] kb_lock (GPIO 113) is now open
18:35.39DocScrutinizeryou see I operated the lockswitch for ~0.5s
18:36.23DocScrutinizerif your dmesg has no such lines in the last ~10 lines you get, then your switch (or SoC, or kernel) is broken
18:36.46bash`again, what's SoC?
18:36.48bash`:)
18:36.51DocScrutinizerkernel break is unlikely unless you updated it
18:36.56DocScrutinizer~soc
18:36.56infobotfrom memory, soc is System On Chip - many embedded cpus include a variety of peripherals as well which makes them more than just a CPU.  Send Out Cards - http://www.sendoutcards.com/  Summer of Code (a google project)  U of U's School of Computing (http://www.cs.utah.edu/)
18:37.01clawi am getting following err : The following package has unmet dependencies : mp-fremantle-community-pr Depends: gstreamer0.10.plugins-bad-extra but is not going to be installed E: Broken Packages
18:37.13bash`DocScrutinizer: no, I didn't update the kernel
18:37.28DocScrutinizerbash`: I bet your switch is borked
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18:37.39DocScrutinizeror mce
18:37.53DocScrutinizerdepending on whether you got those lines in dmesg or not
18:38.17javispedrostupid documentation doesn't match the real thing
18:38.45bash`DocScrutinizer: I'm playing with the switch and reading dmesg but I don't have them
18:39.12ShadowJKswitch broken, my guess.
18:39.31DocScrutinizerShadowJK: (abort >4500: PANIC) EEEEK
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18:39.51bash`ShadowJK: and I cannot fix it I guess...
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18:40.33DocScrutinizerbash`: depends, either it is just mechanically entangled, or some of the plastic is broken off, or the switch itself is broken or loose
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18:40.46ShadowJKpress powerbutton twice to lock :P
18:41.03DocScrutinizeryou can fix each of those, the amount of expertise needed is differing though
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18:41.17bash`ShadowJK: yep, but it's really annoying to unlock
18:41.19ShadowJKiirc it's a magnetic switch
18:41.25DocScrutinizernope
18:41.48bash`DocScrutinizer: so, I could open the N900 and see what's there?
18:42.11DocScrutinizeryou *could* - if you feel familiar with doing that sort of stuff
18:42.34DocScrutinizerthere are delicate ribbon cables and nasty connectors
18:42.40bash`great...
18:42.49DocScrutinizernot Joe randomuser's cup of tea
18:43.43bash`n900 turned off, opening...
18:43.46DocScrutinizera "lot" of users actually disassembled their N900, some actually managed to reassemble it ;-)
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18:44.22DocScrutinizerbash`: please read the L1_L2 service manual FIRST!
18:44.28bash`I'm familiar with laptop hardware, though I never disassembled a phone
18:44.39jacekowskibash`: sams stuff, just smaller
18:44.41bash`link somewhere?
18:44.44jacekowskisame*
18:44.54DocScrutinizerthe more you'll appreciate there's a "howto" for dismantling N900
18:45.06bash`nice :D
18:45.12DocScrutinizerlink ... moment please
18:45.16jacekowskibash`: http://maemo.jacekowski.org/docs/Nokia_N900_RX-51_Service_Manual_Service_Level_1_2.pdf
18:45.17bash`thank you!
18:45.20jacekowskiand http://maemo.jacekowski.org/docs/N900_RX-51_SM_L3_4.pdf
18:45.27jacekowskiand
18:45.28jacekowskihttp://maemo.jacekowski.org/docs/Nokia_N900_RX-51_Schematics.pdf
18:45.44DocScrutinizerjacekowski: you're an animal ;-D
18:45.57bash`:)
18:48.13DocScrutinizerbash`: just take particular care about the flat plastic connector and plug connecting upper (screen) and lower (kbd) half
18:48.29DocScrutinizerbend or pull it once and it's broken
18:49.04bash`DocScrutinizer: ok understand
18:49.09bash`say me good luck!
18:49.58DocScrutinizerthe plug is SMT-soldered on the flex cable, and supported from back with a 3rd layer of PCB that seems to have *vias* - those _of course_ break when you slightly bend the whole contraption
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18:51.09DocScrutinizerI guess using a credit card to unplug the critter is a good idea
18:51.28bash`ok
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18:53.29DocScrutinizerbash`: look there: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/Gallery-N900-exploded/IMG_1941.jpeg
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18:54.52ShadowJK'd just cope without the button instead of risking entire N900
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18:55.09DocScrutinizerhmm, depends
18:55.40DocScrutinizerodds are if you got a weal FPC then it will break eventually anyway
18:55.48DocScrutinizerweak*
18:56.27DocScrutinizerso if you got any kind of warranty yet, or are willing to get a new FPC
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18:57.03DocScrutinizerand it seems bash` knows his electronics stuff a bit
18:57.17DocScrutinizerwe warned him, he knows the risks
18:58.21DocScrutinizerbash`: anyway do a FULL backup prior to starting that adventure ;-)
18:58.40DocScrutinizerand make sure you can log in via ssh over WLAN
18:58.54DocScrutinizerright after unattended boot
18:58.57bash`DocScrutinizer: I already started, and....I cannot remove the two TORX+ right now :(
18:59.06DocScrutinizershit
18:59.10bash`I've to end my adventure for today
18:59.46bash`trying to connect the main flex connector will be funny...
19:00.17DocScrutinizeryou bet it's a full 30min of cheerful joy
19:00.51DocScrutinizerwondered how in hell they do that at Nokia
19:01.04bash`:)
19:02.13DocScrutinizernevertheless not unplugging it is no option, unplug *early* to protect the cable
19:04.06bash`ok, all done...at least the phone turn on
19:04.26DocScrutinizerscreen OK?
19:04.31jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: i can disassemble n900 and assemble in 20 minutes
19:04.38jacekowskiincluding that connector
19:04.50DocScrutinizerjacekowski: yu're an animal, this doesn't count ;-D
19:04.55bash`jacekowski: leave me your address for the next time I do this at the next level :P
19:05.27bash`DocScrutinizer: just a minute, I didn't put the SIM
19:05.40bash`I just see it turn on..
19:06.02DocScrutinizerjacekowski: I can disassemble and reassemble a Freerunner in 120s, where others need 30min. That's only because I don't care at all to break anything, and I did it just so often
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19:06.31bash`DocScrutinizer: screen OK
19:06.36DocScrutinizergood
19:06.41bash`^^
19:08.15DocScrutinizerjacekowski: anyway a video would be awesome - or, like they say: video or it did't happen :-)
19:08.24Venemovideo of what?
19:08.43DocScrutinizer[2011-09-15 21:04:31] <jacekowski> DocScrutinizer: i can disassemble n900 and assemble in 20 minutes
19:08.44dzhofield stripping a Freerunner
19:08.57Venemoah!
19:09.12RST38hwill it still shoot after assembly though?
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19:09.13DocScrutinizerI'm always eager to learn from the best
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19:16.05bash`google+ api are here!! anyone interested in writing a maemo front-end? :)
19:16.23DocScrutinizerburrp
19:17.04bash`is that a no? :)
19:17.33Venemowho the fuck cares about google+?
19:17.42Venemothey are too late in the social network business anyway.
19:18.28bash`Venemo: I hope they allows users to customize their profile pages url, and with google blogs integration you use google+ to blog
19:19.49Venemoand?
19:19.51RST38h"In fact, its not much of a stretch between what happens when a hick or ghetto kid gets a pro sports contract and what happened after 9/11."
19:20.20RST38hSocial networks? Are they still around?
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19:21.25bash`Venemo: and I don't know. I don't like fb and I'm using g+ (mainly stuff for geeks but it's still in beta, isn't?) I like it
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19:25.15Venemobash`, dunno, but I don't care.
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19:28.21javispedroMohammadAG: you did something with QtMobility and RFCOMM sockets, right?
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19:37.15GeneralAntillesRST38h, is there any context for that.
19:37.31GeneralAntillesBecause from here it looks like whoever wrote that wouldn't pass a Turing test.
19:38.04GeneralAntillesWho's the best dynamic DNS provider these days?
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19:38.48Corsacyourself?
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19:40.19GeneralAntillesCorsac, do I look that motivated?
19:42.39DocScrutinizerdynDNS still ok in my book
19:42.54DocScrutinizermainly depends on what your router supports ;-)
19:43.07GeneralAntillesEverything. Tomato firmware
19:43.20GeneralAntillesDynDNS keeps deleting my accounts.
19:43.29DocScrutinizer:shrug: go for the best URL then
19:43.53DocScrutinizerdynDNS deletes accounts rather quickly on inactivity, yeah
19:45.07DocScrutinizerthe friggin DIR615 here only supports d-link's very own dynamic DNS service. I'm not excited
19:45.41DocScrutinizerthe also sport their own stratum 2 or sth NTP server
19:45.58DocScrutinizerweird guys
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19:53.40bash`DocScrutinizer: I found a screwdriver for the TORXs, I removed them, found the switch and...is broken in 2 parts! :(
19:54.27bash`I don't have a glue for plastic right now, so I guess there is nothing I can do now
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19:59.24DocScrutinizerI don't think you can glue the switch. Get a new one and solder it on to the PCB
20:00.37DocScrutinizerif the lever broke off there's a minimal chance to implant a hot steel needle into the thermoplast stub, but this rarely ever lasts for long
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20:03.15DocScrutinizeras the knob usually can not break off the switch's lever as it can't slide down that much, I guess the switch was mechanically defect and blocked prior to the lever breaking off due to that, so glueing it on again won't help anything. Get a fresh one, do a little soldering fancy, profit
20:04.52DocScrutinizerbash`: ask next Nokia service center to sell such a switch to you
20:05.38bash`yes I'll
20:05.51DocScrutinizeror find one that has same dimensions and contacts, on mouser or digikey
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20:10.01DocScrutinizeror, if you feel innovative, glue a mini magnet to the sliding knob and solder a micro reed contact in place of the switch - adjust position of reed tube so it closes when you slide down knob and magnet, and opens reliably when you release the knob (NB I dunno for sure if the know itself has a spring)
20:10.13DocScrutinizerif the KNOB has a...
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20:30.02GeneralAntillesWell, at least the watch will probably end up on next month's credit card statement.
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20:57.05GeneralAntillesGotta wonder why MetaWatch didn't open source everything out the gate.
20:57.21GeneralAntillesGonna have a lotta day-one frustration that wont be going anywhere useful now.
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21:00.13kerioopen source *all* the game! _o/
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21:02.36DocScrutinizerseems they are working on it
21:03.09GeneralAntillesYeah, but it really should've been done for launch.
21:03.34DocScrutinizeryou know the game, it's always same
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21:04.28DocScrutinizerfirst roll out the product, then care about cleaning up last dirty corners in your sourcecode where your devs c&p'd TI's reference implementation
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21:22.18javispedroGeneralAntilles: don't worry, by the time you're getting it it'll be already open sourced
21:22.39javispedro(or the company gone with the Nokia executives having fled with all the money =) )
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21:32.28jierothere are too many open-source. as there are too many projects.
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21:37.55ioanhi. I wonder how hard would be to make this work on maemo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcDcAyW9JZA (Fully automated WEP hacking)
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21:39.10RST38hshouldn't let random idiots fully automatically hack WEP
21:39.26RST38hbad for environment, breeds idiots
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21:40.31ioanRST38h, too late
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21:44.01_trineRST38h, theres no harm in letting idiots automatically hack wep because they will only be hacking other idiots using it
21:47.49GeneralAntillesjavispedro, yes, and maybe there's be a MeeGo app to go with it. :P
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21:48.46Sc0rpiuswow Qt is great, and QtCreator greater
21:48.59Sc0rpiusI've wasted years of my life coding in GLIB
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21:54.52javispedroarrrgh, the manual says "the Draw Buffer will always contain the latest representation of the
21:54.52javispedroActive Buffer as a starting position", but no, it contains the previous contents of the Draw Buffer
21:54.57javispedrowants the damn updated doc
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22:02.42GeneralAntillesjavispedro, hit the forums?
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22:08.22DocScrutinizerjavispedro: how could the draw buffer be less actual than the active buffer?
22:08.47DocScrutinizerooh, double-buffered :-/ nevermind
22:08.50javispedroDocScrutinizer: doublebuffered
22:08.56javispedro:)
22:09.20DocScrutinizernow THAT is a terrible bug
22:09.48javispedroprobably somethign that I need to enable in one of the many fields that are listed as "reserved" in the current doc
22:10.05DocScrutinizer:shrug:
22:10.30javispedrooh, oh
22:10.38javispedroseems I was actually sending garbage on such a field =)
22:10.59DocScrutinizermore looks like docs are made from specs, like implementation. Only that implementation did miss an elementary bit
22:11.38DocScrutinizeranyway, bbl
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