IRC log for #maemo on 20110911

00:04.47smharI am in the search for a good case for my N900 with a belt clip, but the ones I found on ebay say "Magnet may place your device into sleep mode, but will not harm your device". any idea what does this mean?
00:06.31angelox|laptoprelated? http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=36194
00:13.33smharthanks angelox|laptop
00:13.33infobotsure thing, smhar
00:16.02psycho_oreoslol
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00:39.46smharseems a magnet case is a no option for me :-(
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00:44.05DocScrutinizerinfobot: useless
00:44.05infobotACTION starts crying and hides from docscrutinizer in the darkest corner of the room. :(
00:44.45jrayhawkThe PDair aluminum case doesn't use magnets, and works fairly well with the Noreve metal belt clip.
00:44.49Macer<PROTECTED>
00:44.54Macerlooks like apple won huh?
00:45.05DocScrutinizermeh
00:45.41Macerheh
00:45.44jrayhawkThough PDair themselves will sell your email address to spammers, so its up to you whether you want to support them.
00:45.55DocScrutinizerI'll sue them off the planet's surface for infringing my patents on using light for displaying info on a flat surface
00:46.09Macerhahahaha
00:46.41DocScrutinizerand of course my (R) end (foo) on white cases
00:46.46Macerwhat exactly did they sue them for? i thought it was also similarities with how the os looked
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00:47.20Maceri know a galaxy s sure did look like it was trying its hardest to look like an iphone
00:47.23DocScrutinizermeh, a device with flat surface and round corners
00:47.42Macerso does that mean my transformer is next?
00:47.47Macer:-)
00:47.50DocScrutinizerapple invented the round corners
00:48.02Macerit has rounded corners
00:48.41psycho_oreossmhar, I'm guessing it also depends on how strong the magnet is and if you have your N900 in a extra case like otterbox. I have bought a generic leather case with magnet and have my N900 inside otterbox, when I place my N900 into the generic leather case I place it with the screen facing towards my body.
00:48.46Macerit is eu tho
00:48.59Macernobody can buy stuff there either
00:49.13Macerother than in germany
00:49.21DocScrutinizerI hope this whole nonsense will severely damage their corporate image
00:49.39Maceryeah. they are really overdoing it
00:49.50Macerare they suing in the us as well?
00:50.10Maceri know i heard japan was the next country
00:50.54psycho_oreossmhar, of course my generic leather case has a belt clip on it
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01:01.04jrayhawkThe Noreve n900 cases also use mechanical fasteners.
01:01.14jrayhawkand support belt clips.
01:01.52smharjrayhawk, searching
01:02.59jrayhawkhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iro26b9VTKQ
01:03.57Macerbelt clips are really lame
01:04.02Macer:)
01:08.53jrayhawkThusfar I've only found plastic button-release belt clips and metal orientation-release belt clips and I would really like to find a metal button-release belt clip.
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01:42.45n900-dkAny of you guys using MfE?
01:46.15n900-dkI need the output of 'gconftool-2 -R /apps/activesync' (of course stripped for account info)
01:51.27angelox|laptopgood night people
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02:19.14Strengthsthe problems listed for me with SSU update are: "packages missing: libwildmidi0 and modest-home-applet" <- where can I find these to manually dpkg? or what do I need to uninstall to bypass this?
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02:29.49Ken-YoungWhen I try to install CSSU (I had to reflash my N900) I get the message "To update your device to this version of the operating system you must use Nokia PC Suite on your PC. Connect the device to your PC via a USB cable and launch the application."   I have no PC (no windoze PC), is it no longer possible to install CSSU without a PC?
02:30.47StrengthsKen-Young: look in the "problems" tab when viewing the details
02:31.17Strengthshttp://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Installation_FAQ
02:32.02Strengthsmy issue is that apt-get doesn't work on the two packages I need: libwildmidi0 and modest-home-applet
02:32.33Ken-YoungStrengths Thanks!
02:34.02Ken-YoungStrengths, Where is the "problems" tab - I see no such tab on the application manager, just a "Create backup" button.
02:34.16Strengths"Package modest-home-applet is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has be obsolete, or is onlyh available from another source"
02:36.05Strengthshow can I find the other package that refers to that one? and will getting rid of the other package mean I can update the SSU?
02:36.44StrengthsKen-Young: click the "Details" button instead of the "Continue" button
02:38.08Ken-YoungThanks again.
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02:43.51n900-dkStrengths: Won't 'apt-get check' list the broken dependencies?
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02:47.33Strengthsn900-dk: that read the package lists, built the dependency tree and read the state information... Done
02:47.39Strengthsno other info
02:48.58n900-dkand you can't use 'apt-get install modest-home-applet'?
02:49.13Strengthsthat's what I tried and got the above message
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03:09.54Strengthsn900-dk: this is my hildon-application-manager.list http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1328578
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03:33.36MohammadAGmodest-home-applet lives in Nokia Apps repo afaik
03:33.46MohammadAGcheck HAM, you may have that disabled
03:35.58StrengthsMohammadAG: is that just the App Manager? That runs
03:36.08Ken-YoungMohammadAG, WHen I launch CSSU features, I get the error message "Reding the configuration settings gave a FATAL ERROR while loading. Not all settings available. Exiting."  Do you know how I can fix that problem?
03:36.58MohammadAGyes, ham = hildon app manager
03:37.11MohammadAGKen-Young, no idea, we didn't develop that app
03:37.21Strengthsyeah, I'm stumped how to proceed from here
03:37.31Ken-YoungMohammadAG, OK, thanks.
03:37.55MohammadAGtap the title bar, tap catalogues, find Nokia Apps/SSU, tap it, check it's not disabled, save
03:41.44Strengthshmm.. taking an awful long time before displaying catalogs
03:42.32Strengthsok, Sytem Software updates was disabled, enabling now
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03:42.58Strengthsnot sure why it was disabled
03:43.16Strengthsperhaps I thought the Community SSU replaced the need for it?
03:45.53StrengthsMohammadAG: That fixed it, Community SSU is downloading now :) Thanks!
03:48.30Ken-YoungOnce CSSU is installed, how does one enable the automatic transition between landscape and portrait modes driven by the accelerometers?
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04:04.28Strengthshmm.. on restarting the phone, I get a notification: "All telephony functions, including emergency calls, are disabled due to a communication error. To recover, you might have to reboot the device". Rebooting just gives the same error :/ Any ideas MohammadAG?
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04:44.56Strengthsuh-oh, a google search reveals nothing short of a replacement will fix that :P (or rehot rapuyama and gazoo, whatever that is)
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09:17.46DocScrutinizerthose are the two main modemchips
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10:06.14psycho_oreos... fail?
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10:14.27DocScrutinizer#tmo ??
10:14.47FIQ|n900Hmm
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10:15.29FIQ|n900I tried to insert some dejavu font's in /usr/share/fonts, but they doesn't seem to be recongnized
10:15.37FIQ|n900Am I doing something wrong?
10:16.39DocScrutinizerpooooooh #tmo, bah!
10:17.51jylanwas blindly checking rooms...
10:18.00DocScrutinizer;-P
10:18.01jylansilly space slash mistake
10:18.14psycho_oreosFIQ|n900, you might want to have a look at how android fonts work or even nokia-pure fonts work
10:18.28psycho_oreosmore like there was a space in between :)
10:19.04jylanbetween where?
10:19.52psycho_oreosyou had a space in between what you said and the forward slash to tell your IRC client that what you wrote was meant to be a command
10:20.37jylanah yep, that's what I meant before :)
10:21.09DocScrutinizer~moo
10:21.10infobotACTION mooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass
10:22.03psycho_oreosah
10:22.14DocScrutinizerah?
10:22.28DocScrutinizerpeaceful 9-11 to the world!
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10:25.08psycho_oreosah as in to what jylan said heh
10:25.34DocScrutinizerStrengths: and yes, reflow-heating those two chips (Rapuyama and Gazoo) might fix a "All telephony functions, including emergency calls, are disabled due to a communication error." permanent failure
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10:26.25FIQ|n900ah, had to use fc-conf
10:27.19DocScrutinizerwonders where and how to store that factoid
10:29.21FIQ|n900er, fc-cache*
10:29.35DocScrutinizermaybe the "keywords: fonts,  /usr/share/fonts, truetype, change font, fc-conf, available fonts, add font" will help google to point to this very chanlog location ;-D
10:30.38FIQ|n900:P
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10:31.02FIQ|n900and, fc-cache, not fc-conf as said, typo
10:31.39DocScrutinizerand "linux"
10:32.06DocScrutinizerduh, and X11
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10:32.25bistoni finally got my n900 broken
10:32.41DocScrutinizer:'(
10:32.55DocScrutinizerwhat happened?
10:32.56FIQ|n900how come?
10:33.29bistonno idea, at first i was facing problems with the battery
10:33.47bistonlike it wud be 70%, i'd play a lil game of sudoku and all of a sudden the battery's empty
10:34.03DocScrutinizernot that bad yet
10:34.06bistonlater on, i wud recharge the phone, when i unplug the charger, the phone wud still think it is still plugged in
10:34.15DocScrutinizerhmm
10:34.35bistonyesterday, i was recharging it, suddenly it turned off, and wudnt turn back on
10:34.46DocScrutinizerget a new battery
10:34.47bistonluckily i backup my phone every other day and i keep the backup on my pc
10:34.53bistonyea its sunday
10:35.24bistonim not sure i can wait 24 more hours to get my phone online again
10:35.34DocScrutinizerwhat's happening when you just plug in wallwart charger?
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10:35.50bistonwallwart ?
10:35.56Macerugh. played basketball yesterday and my entire body is going to die
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10:35.59DocScrutinizerNokia fastcharger
10:36.02bistonim looking for a way to migrate the contacts from the backup files to a symbian phone
10:36.14bistonah, i dont have that, i have the genuine nokia chargers
10:36.19Macertigerdirect got a shipment of touchpads and they sold out in 1 hour
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10:36.47MacerHP probably made a mistake in abandoning it
10:36.51bistonMohammadAG are you available ?
10:37.02Macerthey could sell it cheaper than the rest and continue development on webos
10:37.06Macer:)
10:37.14Maceri'm sure they will still make a profit
10:37.38psycho_oreosafaik its not going to be easy converting maemo contacts into symbian if you have a dead N900 to boot ontop of all that
10:37.42SpeedEvilNot at $99
10:37.52SpeedEvilAt $99, you can't buy the parts, even in volume
10:38.12DocScrutinizerMacer: nope, they abandoned the business as there's been no margin for them at original sales price
10:38.28FIQ|n900hmm
10:38.29bistonpsycho_oreos there must be some solution
10:38.41bistoneven a db reader wud work for me
10:38.50bistoni'll create the contacts 1 by 1 on ovi suite and sync them
10:38.53MacerSpeedEvil: you might be abe to for a little bit more
10:38.55Macermaybe 200
10:39.12psycho_oreosbiston, there would be a solution yes, but not as easy imo
10:39.14DocScrutinizerMacer: nope, they abandoned the business as there's been no margin for them at original sales price
10:39.27Macerouch
10:39.29FIQ|n900make cheap products, then when everyone has one (or at least very many), be nice to devs and take 30% of profit from apps, profit?!
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10:39.47MacerDocScrutinizer: they could have made it up with licensing
10:39.48Macerlol
10:40.14FIQ|n900i don't really see why devs should not take a look at the webOS platform, there's few apps but MANY webOS owners
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10:40.39DocScrutinizerFIQ|n900: that's the scheme Nokia tries to copy from $fruitphone and will fail epically on it
10:41.08FIQ|n900DocScrutinizer, hm :P
10:41.09DocScrutinizeractually already did
10:41.32Macer$fruitphone? hahaha
10:41.52Maceri think hp could have found a way to cut costs on the touchpad
10:42.01DocScrutinizerNokia's shift from hw manuf to content provider (or sth silly like that) been anounced quite some years(?) ago
10:42.27Maceri still find it hard to believe they can't cover the cost at 200 heh
10:42.39Macermaybe even 150
10:42.53Maceri'm sure even a transformer costs like 100 per unit to make
10:43.04DocScrutinizerMacer: the screen alone is probably like 100 bucks in quantities, in Hongkong
10:43.23Macerhm
10:43.45Macerthe touchpad has that pull out screen extension doesn't it?
10:43.57DocScrutinizerand you have to ask for 3 times your sourcing costs, for a rule of thumb
10:46.25Macerhttp://www.precentral.net/how-much-does-touchpad-cost-hp-build
10:46.25tank-manhttp://www.isuppli.com/Teardowns/News/Pages/HP-TouchPad-Carries-$318-Bill-of-Materials.aspx
10:46.39Macertank-man: heh
10:46.43Macerbeat you to it ? :)
10:46.57Maceri stand corrected
10:47.25tank-manmost expensive components are the display+touchscreen
10:47.36Maceryeah. like 130 for both
10:47.41n900-dkis MfE closed source or would CSSU team be able to fidle with it?
10:47.54psycho_oreosMfE?
10:48.01Macermail for exchange
10:48.01ruskieclosed iirc
10:48.28Macerthe worst exchange app ever made
10:48.30Macer:)
10:48.40DocScrutinizerMacer: tank-man: why not just believe me? way easier ;-D
10:48.55n900-dkhehe, but bether than nothing if you are going to use Exchange
10:48.58MacerDocScrutinizer: rule of thumb is to never believe someone on irc
10:49.00Macer:)
10:50.19n900-dkwhat would it take to make a clone of MfE, is it possible?
10:50.32pabs3what does MfE do?
10:50.37Maceri am sending my n900 to my buddy to solder a new usb port back on
10:50.39Maceri can't do it
10:50.54Macerwas wondering if there was something cool he can do to the usb port while he is doing it?
10:50.56DocScrutinizerMacer: I'd not think this rule of thumb implies you can trust in web pages
10:51.08MacerDocScrutinizer: depends on the web page ;)
10:51.11n900-dkpabs3: Sync mail/calender against Exchange server
10:51.21Maceri wouldn't trust truthfulinformation.cn
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10:51.58Macermaybe a hosting adapter?
10:52.10Maceror boosting the power so the phone can power another phone?
10:52.13Macer:)
10:52.22Maceror can he add a laser beam to the usb port
10:52.30pabs3n900-dk: IIRC the evolution desktop mail client has support for that, so maybe you can steal code from there
10:53.08DocScrutinizertatoos "FOOL" on Macer's buttocks with a 50W CO2-laser
10:53.23Macer:)
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10:53.54Macerwould be nice to have a 50W CO2 laser built into my n900
10:54.04Maceri might need an extended battery tho :/
10:54.11SpeedEvilI want a proper laser pointer
10:54.44MacerSpeedEvil: can't wire it up to something and make an app to turn it on?
10:54.45Macer:)
10:54.47SpeedEvil1nm-1mm, 1nW-1GW, 360 degrees to 0 degrees.
10:54.56SpeedEvil1AAA battery
10:55.04n900-dkpabs3: Ok thanks, eventhough I'm not able to code :)
10:55.06Maceroh
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10:55.27Maceryou mean an actual laser pointer
10:55.53pabs3n900-dk: there is no time like the present to learn something new :)
10:55.56Macerseptember 11th
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10:56.20Macerlets see if my 2 tours in iraq has prevented another terrorist attack from happening today
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10:56.40Maceralthough i did not see the relationship between iraq and terrorism... but whatever
10:56.48DocScrutinizerjust wants some paper to wrap it around his tobacco
10:57.01MacerDocScrutinizer: don't use bible paper
10:57.15Maceruse a pipe
10:57.19DocScrutinizerno bible here, so no risk this might happen
10:57.20bindihm
10:57.31DocScrutinizerfetches his pipe
10:57.36bindiany idea why camera lens launcher doesnt do anything when i tell it to open the preferred application, which is blessn900
10:57.48bindibut the popup menu works, where I can select blessn900
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10:59.22StrengthsDocScrutinizer: Oh I see, RAPUYAMA = baseband, GAZOO = PMU
10:59.32DocScrutinizeryep
10:59.43psycho_oreosbindi, and does it work if you execute blessn900 manually?
10:59.46ErwinJungeOdd. My sim card sometimes goes missing and then comes back again. I reflashed yesterday, so I guess it's a hardware issue, but it's puzzles me that it drops at random.
11:00.02StrengthsI don't really, that's just a copy paste from googling your nick in IRC logs of this channel :P
11:00.04bindipsycho_oreos: how manually? from the n900 menu and the popup menu, both weork
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11:01.10psycho_oreosbindi, don't understand by popup menu.. isn't that sort of part of camera lens launcher?
11:01.19bindipsycho_oreos: yeah that
11:01.51psycho_oreosbindi, so if its the same and you said the popup works along with your menu, then where's the issue? that you don't get a popup menu at all?
11:02.00bindii think i was unclear
11:02.04bindicamera lens launcher has 3 options
11:02.09bindiuse preferred application, popup menu, or do nothing
11:02.16bindipreferred application = blessn900 - doesnt work
11:02.22bindipopup menu, select blessn900 = works
11:02.43psycho_oreosahh preferred application part doesn't work, no I haven't personally tried that
11:03.34ErwinJungeDocScrutinizer: Any idea what could cause seemingly random sim missing events after which the sim comes back at seemingly random times?
11:05.23jylanbindi: confirmed not working for me as well...
11:05.37bindiperhaps it is time to file a bug report
11:06.18DocScrutinizerErwinJunge: hw contact problems, or other random fails of modem hw
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11:06.45DocScrutinizereven SIM itself may show such error pattern
11:07.43ErwinJungeHm.. any way to figure out which?
11:08.06DocScrutinizeriirc SpeedEvil was able to reproducably make his SIM "fail" by pressing near "E" key of kbd
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11:10.10SpeedEvilWasn't me
11:10.18ErwinJungeworks though
11:10.18SpeedEvilthat was someone else I think
11:10.30ErwinJungereproducable fix as well? ;)
11:10.30DocScrutinizererr ShadowJK then?
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11:11.06SpeedEvilI 'fixed' that behaviour by putting a 3G only SIM in the phone.
11:11.34ShadowJKNokia Care fixed it for me after 2 months
11:11.40ShadowJKby giving me a new N900
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11:12.47SpeedEvilis currently pondering nokia care.
11:12.54SpeedEvilOr soldering the USB port back on.
11:13.21Strengths"All telephony functions, including emergency calls, are disabled due to a communication error. To recover, you might have to reboot the device, but most likely will need to reflow heat the "
11:13.24ErwinJungeNokia Care hasn't been really happily giving new N900s recently. At least here in the Netherlands I know of one person who got an N8 multiple times before finally and after a lot of work from his side getting an N900. Nokia Care claimed it was an "upgrade".
11:13.25StrengthsRapuyama and Gazoo chips"
11:13.35DocScrutinizershudders thinking that even SpeedEvil managed to kift his USB
11:13.38DocScrutinizerlift*
11:13.40Strengthshehe, now *that* a notification message
11:14.05ShadowJKis the rapuyama and gazoo thing from forums?
11:14.27Strengthsschematics at http://cellphonediagram.com/wp-content/uploads/NOKIA/nokia%20baru/23mar/N900_RX51_schematics_v2_0.rar
11:14.48SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: To be fair - it was utterly my fault.
11:14.58Macerhaha
11:15.08MacerSpeedEvil: broke it jsut so you could fix it? :)
11:15.11SpeedEvilI mean - impact on the plug - at a worst case angle from a drop
11:15.11ErwinJungeStrengths: Is that in reply to my question?
11:15.28SpeedEvilDropped it 1.2m or so, onto the plug, on a hard floor
11:15.43StrengthsN2200 - Gazoo, D2800 - Rapuyama listed in http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Schematic#Page_11_RAPUYAMA.2C_GAZOO
11:15.47MacerSpeedEvil: i'm sure the crappiness of the usb port in it had something to do with it
11:16.01SpeedEvilIt bent the plug on the adaptor
11:16.03Macerany other phone would have had a usb port that would have survived that easily
11:16.05SpeedEvilthe wall adaptor
11:16.07DocScrutinizerwell, that's indeed not a case where you could hope it survives
11:20.10ShadowJKErwinJunge, for me it just got worse and worse over a period of a few months, the suggested "fixes" of cleaning contacts or padding did nothing or just slowed down degradation by a day or two
11:20.36DocScrutinizerStrengths: funny you seem to have found an alternative source for the schematics. It's the same version we know since ages, anyway - just checked it
11:20.46Strengthsok
11:20.58Strengthsso the "v2" is misleading
11:21.05DocScrutinizeryes
11:21.33DocScrutinizerunles they changed stuff without noticing it on first page
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11:21.51ErwinJungeShadowJK: Hm... not too happy about that prospect. Thanks for telling me though.
11:22.05DocScrutinizerobviously I couldn'T compare the whole document (I didn't try a diff though)
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11:23.05ErwinJungeDocScrutinizer: Does the "pressing near e leads to missing sim" thing tell you anything useful as to what the cause may be? I'd prefer to have it fixed rather than go through Nokia Care.
11:23.53DocScrutinizerthis specific error pattern suggests there've been problems with reflow process leading to por solder joints of the BGA chips
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11:25.03ErwinJungeDocScrutinizer: And would that be fixable? :) I have only a vague idea of what you just said.
11:25.22DocScrutinizerif you for example fail to properly preheat the chips for 30+ min, then on soldering you create mech tension when the chips and PCB cool down after reflow
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11:25.48ErwinJungeAh, now that I understand :)
11:25.59Strengthsputting the whole phone in an oven to reheat some solder on 2 chips doesn't sound good
11:26.11DocScrutinizeror chips were exposed to air for too long and so collected humidity
11:26.33DocScrutinizerwhich leads to solder joints "boiling out" some water/steam
11:26.43n900-dkwhere can I change the schedule for checking for apps updates?
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11:27.44DocScrutinizerhttp://wiki.maemo.org/Customizing_Maemo#Disabling_Auto_Updates_Check
11:29.58Strengthshow many N950 dev phones are they going to make?
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11:30.27ErwinJungeDocScrutinizer: So theoretically I could get someone to fix the solder joints of the BGA chips?
11:30.33n900-dkso I could disable it and use alarmed to do '/usr/libexec/apt-worker.real check-for-updates' at specific time?
11:30.40DocScrutinizerall were made some months ago, probably even a year ago
11:31.16Strengthsinstant collectors item
11:31.23DocScrutinizerErwinJunge: some qualified SMT rework shop may be able to reflow the chips, yes
11:31.55DocScrutinizern900-dk: probably yes
11:31.59FIQ|n900tracker is used to index images and videos and music - correct?
11:32.13FIQ|n900because I don't really do these on N900
11:32.14DocScrutinizern900-dk: never checked the apt-worker.real part
11:32.20ErwinJungeDocScrutinizer: Alright, thanks. I'll try that before going through Nokia Care
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11:32.22FIQ|n900can it be disabled?
11:32.36DocScrutinizerFIQ|n900: yes
11:32.50FIQ|n900i guess this will speed up a bit and the battery would be more nice
11:32.53FIQ|n900hm, how?
11:33.12DocScrutinizertracker config app
11:33.19FIQ|n900Ok
11:33.26DocScrutinizeror just edit the config file by hand
11:33.26FIQ|n900will check it out
11:33.45DocScrutinizeryou can set up things like "never run indexing while on battery"
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11:35.35jogaI'm trying to get gcc on n900 to compile a very simple program (talks serial to a usb motor controller over ttyACM0), I found some instructions telling to install a few debs but seems I lack the standard libs
11:35.57jogasomeone also mentioned including the sdk repo and doing apt-get build-essential but is that safe?
11:36.25DocScrutinizerno
11:36.33ErwinJungejoga: The preferred method is simply using scratchbox, or if you're on Windows esbox.
11:36.40ErwinJunges/The/My/
11:36.44DocScrutinizerit will most likely cram your rootfs
11:37.12ShadowJKkeep backups, be prepared to reflash, and if apt-get asks ig you're sure you want to blow away your system, say no
11:37.24ShadowJKs/ig/if
11:37.25bindiwow
11:37.30bindiload avg went just up 6.08 for some reason
11:37.53DocScrutinizerhtop is your friend ;-)
11:37.57bindiusing top
11:38.03bindiapt eating a lot
11:38.06DocScrutinizerfair enough
11:38.20DocScrutinizerit's checking for updates I guess
11:38.23bindi<.<
11:38.35FIQ|n900ShadowJK, that reminds me
11:38.50ShadowJKlibc6-dev probably needed. Biggest problem is running out of diskspace or accidentally killing something
11:38.51jogaDocScrutinizer, that's what I was afraid of..
11:38.57FIQ|n900apt-get once told me "if you continue, you will be out of root space, continue anyway?"
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11:39.02FIQ|n900at least it asked :P
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11:39.18jogawell, I don't strictly have to do this with c anyway, I just happened to have a program ready in c
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11:40.26ShadowJKI did this on N800 and N810 a few times, never tried it on N900
11:40.34DocScrutinizerthere are ways to set up a proper development system on N900. Just needs a lot of work to move everything out of the 250MB rootfs to eMMC
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11:41.06DocScrutinizereasiest is probably just a chroot
11:41.06ShadowJKa build-essential install, followed by cursing and reflash and restoring backups is probably a few magnotudes faster than figuring out scratchbox though ;-)
11:42.37DocScrutinizeror you check if build-essentials maybe actually is optified already, or you optify it manually
11:43.08ShadowJKnothing in sdk repo is optified
11:43.17DocScrutinizerthought as much
11:43.27bindiDocScrutinizer: I got tracker-cfg, where do I set this don't do when using battery
11:43.45bindiBatteryIndexInitial ...?
11:43.46jogacould I compile such a program in easy debian?
11:43.47DocScrutinizerwho would've cared to optify a pkg that's not meant to get installed on target platform
11:44.07DocScrutinizerbindi: sth like that, yeah
11:44.17bindithere's BatteryIndex and BatteryIndexInitial
11:44.32DocScrutinizer# nice trackerd, doesn't exactly make it bearable, but somewhat less sucking
11:44.33DocScrutinizersed -i -e "s/Throttle=0/Throttle=10/" /home/user/.config/tracker/tracker.cfg
11:44.48FIQ|n900joga, try tiny-c-compiler
11:44.51bindiah
11:44.56bindiEnable or disable indexing when on battery power.
11:44.57FIQ|n900if it's just a simple C program
11:45.14jogaFIQ|n900, yes it's simple, just spitting some bytes to serial, nothing more
11:45.18bindiwas already disabled
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11:45.35FIQ|n900so try it :)
11:45.40FIQ|n900it's available in repos
11:45.45s1nanhello
11:46.00jogaFIQ|n900, doing it right now ;)
11:46.27FIQ|n900<DocScrutinizer> easiest is probably just a chroot
11:46.36FIQ|n900wouldn't that be really slow?
11:46.44s1nanis there a shortcut for x-term, I'm in a reboot loop, managed to disable lifeguard, phone boots but can't get into x-term
11:46.50DocScrutinizerbindi:
11:46.52DocScrutinizer# Set to true to disable initial indexing when running on battery
11:46.53DocScrutinizerBatteryIndexInitial=false
11:47.05DocScrutinizer# Set to true to disable indexing when running on battery
11:47.07DocScrutinizerBatteryIndex=false
11:47.25DocScrutinizerless /home/user/.config/tracker/tracker.cfg
11:47.46ShadowJKctrl-shift-x
11:48.06ShadowJK(for xterm)
11:48.28s1nanit didn't work I guess, nothing happened :(
11:48.54DocScrutinizerwell, if h-d is not coming up then it possibly fails
11:49.15bindiunderstood the manpage incorrectly then
11:49.34DocScrutinizerbindi: manpage??
11:49.34StrengthsShadowJK: nice 2 finger salute I'll try to remember :)
11:49.40jogaFIQ|n900, tcc hello.c -o hello says "tcc: file '/usr/lib/crt1.o' not found, tcc: file '/usr/lib/crti.o' not found, test.c:1: include file 'stdio.h' not found"
11:49.42Strengths*3 finger
11:49.46bindiDocScrutinizer: i googled it :D
11:49.46Strengthsor fingertip
11:49.59DocScrutinizerwhich one
11:50.17DocScrutinizerman trackerd ?
11:50.27joga(I guess I should just remember the package names for such)
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11:51.07DocScrutinizeraah
11:51.37DocScrutinizerwell, the original tracker.cfg has a lot of comments
11:51.38s1nanShould I wait to get help, I'm desperate at the moment. I don't want to reflash, just did that 1 week ago :/
11:52.19FIQ|n900joga, I haven't used it for myself, just saw it in the repos
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11:52.26FIQ|n900so no idea, sorry :p
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11:52.42jogaI guess I just don't have some -dev pkg but I'll look into it, thanks for the tip
11:53.25DocScrutinizerbindi: I'm puzzled about the weird sematics as well, I mean "set XXX=false to enable XXX" WTF?
11:53.34s1nanwe can flash via flasher-3.5, can't we copy files to directories via it?
11:53.38jogao_o
11:54.19bindiyeah
11:57.06s1nan?
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11:57.57DocScrutinizers1nan: no, alas not
11:58.28ErwinJunges1nan maybe figuring out what you did to get a reboot loop within a week would be advisable? :)
11:59.50s1nanI changed transitions from maemodder, after installing hildon-desktop for portrait mode
12:00.06DocScrutinizeroooh
12:00.15s1naneverything was fine, I felt some lag so I used optimizen900, then reboot loop.
12:00.31DocScrutinizerouch!
12:00.47s1nanX.x
12:00.53SpeedEvils1nan: Is it a fast reboot loop?
12:00.54DocScrutinizeroptimizen900 sounds like a really bad idea to even touch with a 10 feet pole
12:00.56SpeedEvilSorry.
12:01.10s1nannope, it boots, I see the desktop
12:01.25s1nanthen black squares come, then I see empty desktop
12:01.27bindihow do I rightclick on vncviewer <.<
12:01.35s1nanthen squares again, after that, reboot
12:02.09s1nanwell, I was using optimizen900 without any problem
12:02.27DocScrutinizermeh
12:02.39s1nanI guess same thing would happen if I used the reboot button
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12:03.12s1nanproblem is transitions.ini, I guess. I just need to replace it with default one
12:03.43s1nanproblem is, can't get x-term started, have not button for x-term at top menu, and see it on desktop.
12:04.11s1nanPlus, ctrl+shift+x didn't work, should I keep them pressed..? I also tried that though..
12:05.37s1nanso, any ideas to resurrect my n900?
12:05.41FIQ|n900<bindi> how do I rightclick on vncviewer <.< i prefer PresenceVNC
12:06.04bindiFIQ|n900: figured it out, volume up button while tapping
12:06.08FIQ|n900You can also adjust quality, like if you're on 3G, and things like that
12:06.08bindiFIQ|n900: anyway what's better about it
12:06.35bindihmm
12:06.47bindii'll look into that
12:07.19FIQ|n900Well, you can actually send things not on N900 keyboard. IIRC, vncviewer was able to do that as well, but not as much keys
12:08.29FIQ|n900And, I once tried running minecraft just to see if it worked - for some reason the keys didn't work in vncviewer at all, but they did in presence
12:08.38FIQ|n900Not that i will do that, but just as a test
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12:11.06s1nanno ideas?
12:11.42s1nancan't we replace file via flasher?... :(
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12:13.50NIN101s1nan: boot rescueos...
12:14.38NIN101http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75369
12:16.17s1nanlooking into it
12:16.51s1nanah, it is for linux I guess
12:16.57s1nanusing PC atm
12:17.00s1nanwin7
12:17.52NIN101well :/
12:18.35s1nanthat looks promising though
12:20.00s1nanbut unable to help me, sadly :( I was thinking to have Ubuntu too, one more reason to have it
12:20.18NIN101windows has flasher, it would be possible to boot the initrd at least.
12:20.58s1naninitrd?
12:21.34NIN101http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1077983&postcount=18
12:22.55s1nanthings getting messy for me
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12:26.24s1nandownloading initrd and kernel, what is next?
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12:28.44s1nanaha, I made it to run x-term
12:28.46s1nan^^
12:28.52NIN101b2w, to use it you need to know the linux console. To boot it: turn your N900 off, run the flasher command and connect your N900 to your PC...
12:29.35s1nanI thought so, just needed confirm, diving into x-term
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12:31.27s1nanMy problem is a small one, a tool which will make N900 run in mass storage mode, starting from root would be very helpful for programmers, wouldn't it?
12:34.03Atariiisn't that what RescueOS does?
12:37.21psycho_oreosno
12:38.04s1nanI didn't run it yet, have no linux on this computer, so I don't know. But it says mass-storage mode in core features. It can be just like normal n900 connects to computer in mass-storage mode, not like I mentioned
12:39.04Atariipsycho_oreos, no?
12:39.13DocScrutinizerI don't see how mass storage mode could help to e.g. replace transitions.ini
12:39.31psycho_oreosAtarii, not without one needing to run a few commands
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12:40.04psycho_oreosheh transitions.ini sits on rootfs.. good luck with that :p
12:40.10NIN101mass storage mode in rescueos exposes maemo home and MyDocs. That's it. To replace your file, you have to to mount the rootfs, and this is possible.
12:40.24s1nanif I could see (reach) the directories, so I could move default transitions.ini easily
12:40.32NIN101you can.
12:41.04s1nanbacked up default transitions.ini, lets see if it works
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12:42.24s1nanyea. I'm da killa nob here, a'right? As good as new, thank you guys for all your help! :)
12:42.35n900-dkWhat does this syslog message mean?:
12:42.36n900-dkSep 11 14:41:20 Nokia-N900 kernel: [122278.481323] wl1251: ERROR Power save entry failed, giving up
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12:46.33DocScrutinizern900-dk: probably means your wlan AP doesn't support PSM properly
12:48.17s1nanby the way.. any of you guys know which lines to change the feel of "menu splash"in transitions.ini, I like dscobsct custom transition, but when I do it with maemodder, maemodder changes the transitions.ini and that makes CSSU features app to crash, also made me into reboot loop. Which lines to change, to have that "menu splash"?..
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12:50.25n900-dkDocScrutinizer: Hmm, seems to be a bug: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9101
12:50.27povbot04Bug 9101: Wifi doesn't enter power saving mode properly (wl1251: ERROR Power save entry failed, giving up)
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12:56.20s1nanone more question for today, I am using default kernel, and I have no need the programs those need power kernel. Is there any positive thing for me to switch to power kernel?
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13:02.28cityLightshi all
13:02.40jogahmh...do you guys ever get some (heat related?) shutting down of the phone while installing easy debian?
13:02.49cityLightsis there a program for the rome buses?
13:03.18cityLightsor any other program that I should install before arriving at Italy?
13:03.34s1nancityLights : you can search for it from FAM
13:03.47DocScrutinizern900-dk: indeed
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13:03.58s1nanI remember there was one, but don't know if it was for Rome.
13:04.03DocScrutinizerstill possibly related to AP
13:04.24cityLightsan I meet any of the regulars here at rome?
13:04.54cityLightsas I didnt get a n950, was hoping to buya n9 there
13:05.20cityLightsbut it doesnt seem like it will be avail by the month end
13:05.25s1nanI don't know if N9 is out in italy?
13:05.43cityLightsI assume it didnt come out yet
13:06.01cityLightswish i could run ec2 api from my N900
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13:12.51jogayay got it compiled under easy debian :)
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13:19.42joga...and it works :)
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13:40.47bindihm
13:40.56bindican anyone link me that pic / thread of the heavily soldered usb port?
13:42.37ruskie~usbfix
13:42.37infobotFixate receptacle like this: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=547991#post547991 - get the pic.zip form there http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=870017&postcount=27 for details how to deal with contact pads came off, or >>NEVER use epoxy glue!<<
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13:49.25s1nanbye guys
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14:18.47DocScrutinizermoo javispedro
14:18.52javispedromoo.
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14:19.25DocScrutinizerjoga: seems a chroot environment is the easiest for building stuff, eh?
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14:21.56DocScrutinizerdang, GPS actually took several minutes for first fix
14:22.58MohammadAGjust a question
14:22.59DocScrutinizerquite unusual. Wonder if that's related to (cssu) update possibly messing up the stored position alm/eph etc
14:23.04MohammadAGwhy is everyone blaming the CSSU for this? :)
14:23.19DocScrutinizerI'm explicitly NOT blaming CSSU for this
14:23.19MohammadAGeverything GPS is closed source
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14:23.38MohammadAGlemme rephrase then
14:23.48MohammadAGwhy is everyone besides DocScrutinizer blaming the CSSU for this? :)
14:23.52DocScrutinizerI'm blaming update
14:24.41MohammadAGwell, some are reporting that changing from supl.nokia.com to supl.google.com fixed the issue
14:24.47MohammadAGso maybe it's an issue on Nokia's side?
14:25.17javispedroMohammadAG: you get used to it
14:25.22javispedro(people blaming your stuff)
14:25.34MohammadAGyeah
14:25.35DocScrutinizerquite possible
14:25.42javispedroMohammadAG: someone asserted for ex. that C FM radio had "less signal quality" than QRadio
14:25.49MohammadAGbtw, I installed C FM Radio on my N900 and it bricked my N950
14:26.01javispedroah, so it was you!
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14:26.07DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: we've seen exactly same for AGPS-beta on diablo
14:26.36MohammadAGI thought AGPS needed 3G?
14:26.58DocScrutinizernah
14:27.00DocScrutinizerno way
14:27.04MohammadAGlemme time the N86's GPS
14:27.27DocScrutinizerAGPS needs access to supl.*.*
14:27.43MohammadAGright, GPS locked
14:27.50DocScrutinizerabsolutely unrelated to 3G
14:27.52MohammadAGthat's... 30 seconds
14:28.50DocScrutinizeryou probably meant LLRP or what it's called
14:28.55DocScrutinizer~gsm-agps
14:28.56infoboti heard rrlp is the Radio Resource LCS (Location Service) Protocol as specified first in GSM TS 04.31, or http://security.osmocom.org/trac/wiki/RRLP
14:29.25MohammadAGno, AGPS
14:29.54MohammadAGbut I implied it needs 3G since Symbian only allows you to select packet data connections rather than WiFi
14:30.13DocScrutinizerhah, yeah
14:31.03DocScrutinizerlemme see what's time for a hotfix indoors now
14:31.59DocScrutinizer10s
14:32.02MohammadAGthe N86's fix was from cold boot after 2 day shutdown, 200km from where it was, and indoors
14:32.14MohammadAG20-30s
14:32.52DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: might still qualify as a hotfix (or warmfix at least ;-D)
14:33.42MohammadAGit's not supl.nokia.com's fault
14:33.43jogaDocScrutinizer, yeah :) the easy debian image also has build tools included so it was a no-brainer
14:33.59DocScrutinizercold boot: doesn't matter possibly. 2 day shutdown: as well might be in stored alm/eph timerange. 200km offset: doesn't matter much either
14:35.39DocScrutinizerhas a frowning glance at N900 clock being >60s fast
14:35.57DocScrutinizermight explain a lot
14:36.14DocScrutinizeractually 55s
14:37.00DocScrutinizertries to recall what he did to fix that time sync mess
14:40.43SpeedEvil'gps recorder' app tume-syncs.
14:40.51SpeedEviltime
14:41.22DocScrutinizerhmm, I'm not inclined to call this gps-recorder via alarmed once a day
14:41.43DocScrutinizerthought I had ntpd installed and running once
14:41.57SpeedEviland yes
14:41.58DocScrutinizeror maybe I kicked it because it hogged data
14:42.03SpeedEviltht's probably tehe more sane way
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14:42.30DocScrutinizercall ntpd -q once a day per alarmed is what I like to get
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14:42.50SpeedEvilopenntpd
14:43.15DocScrutinizermeh, got neither on IroN900
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14:43.22DocScrutinizerWTF?
14:44.24DocScrutinizersync-time-now-widget - Status menu widget: button to sync time with rdate (from pool.ntp.org)
14:44.26DocScrutinizerlol
14:45.01SpeedEvilOk.
14:45.06trumeeDocScrutinizer, i found ntpdate binary from somewhere
14:45.17SpeedEvilWhy do I have openntpd installed, yet it wouldn't sync when battery was out
14:45.42trumeei use it manually though.
14:45.48DocScrutinizerwhy doesn't apt-cache search ntp  find any (open)ntpd ?
14:45.57DocScrutinizertrumee: where from?
14:46.05SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: openntpd
14:47.07trumeeDocScrutinizer, http://home.mminternet.com/delaroca/index.html/
14:47.35DocScrutinizerIroN900:~# apt-cache search '.*NTP.*'
14:47.37DocScrutinizeropenntpd - OpenBSD NTP daemon
14:48.55trumeeDocScrutinizer, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=65315
14:49.04SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer: There is the silly solution I've used on a few devices - ssh root@foo date `date`
14:49.18SpeedEvil(with the appropriate format strigs and flags.
14:49.19DocScrutinizer:-D
14:49.46DocScrutinizeropenrdate - sets the system's date from a remote host
14:50.14DocScrutinizerlikes SpeedEvil 's solution way better
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15:05.00n900-dkDid the latest CCSU touch wifi-setup? I seem to loose wifi connection very often now in my kicthen, and didn't change anything at AP or set up new walls :)  No issues before. And not to blame CSSU!, just curious.
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15:18.52DocScrutinizerno, afaik all about WLAN is completely untouched in CSSU
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15:25.33angelox|laptopcried and his n900 worked battery charging turned off
15:26.02angelox|laptopthinks that his n900 has emotional issues
15:28.57DocScrutinizerangelox|laptop: sorry, your post before last doesn't parse
15:29.22DocScrutinizern900 worked battery charging turned off
15:29.42DocScrutinizerscratches head
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15:30.37angelox|laptopDocScrutinizer, the thing is: n900 and some other arm phones (a1200 for example) are crazy,and we shouldn't interfere in it's life
15:30.38angelox|laptop:)
15:30.46angelox|laptopwhat i did was update it OTA
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15:33.05n900-dkHow do I disable syslogd start without uninstall?
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15:38.46DocScrutinizermv /etc/event.d/sysklogd /root/backup/etc/event.d/sysklogd
15:40.00n900-dkperfect, thanks!
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15:41.21angelox|laptopDocScrutinizer: a question: when we do charge the phone 'turned off', the kernel is loaded,or the current goes directly to the chip charge? (bq24something)?
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15:42.25SpeedEvilIt depends.
15:42.35SpeedEvilIf it's solid yellow, then it's doing it without the OS
15:42.55SpeedEvilIf it's flashing yellow, but 'off' then the OS is booted, and acting dead
15:42.56DocScrutinizerit first starts an autonomous charging controlled by hw (chip) only, until battery is charged enough to startup kernel
15:43.28DocScrutinizeralso see
15:43.32DocScrutinizer~flatbatrecover
15:43.33infobotRemove battery for 1 minute. Insert battery. Plug powered Nokia wallcharger to device. Watch steady amber. Let sit and charge. Do NOT try to boot. After 30 min, you got either a) a booted up N900, b) flashing amber which means you can boot, c) steady amber going off - in this case start over again with ~flatbatrecover
15:43.57angelox|laptopand that way (flatbatrecover) is to force without the os ?
15:44.08angelox|laptopi mean,only going to chip
15:44.13DocScrutinizerit is the hw way, yes
15:44.29DocScrutinizeronly kicks in on very low battery
15:44.49DocScrutinizerand reaches only until battery is up to some 3.6V
15:45.02angelox|laptopah ok
15:45.10DocScrutinizerthen system tries to boot up, and steady amber becomes flashing amber
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15:45.53angelox|laptophmm i see. steady amber = hw only ; flashing amber = hw and os
15:45.57DocScrutinizerif your bq24150 chip is defect, then this flatbatrecover won't work either
15:46.36angelox|laptophmm
15:46.46DocScrutinizerif your system is fsckdup then it will happily do flatbatrecover, and bork on "booting" to act_dead flashing amber
15:46.53angelox|laptopand if my maemo is defect,another distro would charge
15:47.00angelox|laptop?
15:47.13DocScrutinizerif that other distro can charge then yes
15:47.29angelox|laptopmeego can't,right?
15:48.06DocScrutinizerbut first you eeded to boot into that other distro. I dunno of any method other than uBoot to boot into any non-maemo OS from cold
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15:48.34NIN102DocScrutinizer: flasher?
15:48.41DocScrutinizerpossible
15:48.49DocScrutinizerunclear though
15:48.51angelox|laptopor flashing the kernel
15:48.55DocScrutinizerdepends on battery
15:49.10DocScrutinizerflashing doesn't work on flat battery
15:49.31DocScrutinizerunclear if booting via flasher works on very low battery
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15:50.13DocScrutinizerNIN102: you had birthday? ;-D
15:50.23NIN102lol xD
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15:52.17DocScrutinizerwhat might work almost always is charging via backupmenu
15:52.36angelox|laptopis going to install backupmenu
15:52.42NIN102http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=76148
15:52.45angelox|laptopand it takes too much time to charge?
15:52.47DocScrutinizerit doesn't depend much on anything of the regular maemo system
15:52.49NIN102this is an initrd for battery charging.
15:53.11DocScrutinizerNIN102: cool shit
15:53.35DocScrutinizerwill it work on flat battery as well?
15:53.48NIN102That I don't know.
15:53.53DocScrutinizer:-)
15:54.01DocScrutinizerthat's the crux
15:54.27DocScrutinizercan/will NOLO load an initrd when battery is extremely low
15:55.21DocScrutinizerso this still holds true: [2011-09-11 17:49:31] <DocScrutinizer> unclear if booting via flasher works on very low battery
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16:01.15kevin_bdoes someone know where is the Qt community repository used for 4.7.4?
16:01.22angelox|laptopto h-e-n i really need install a kernel from extras-devel?
16:01.29kevin_bI'd like it to build QtHelp
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16:03.01DocScrutinizerangelox|laptop: for h-e-n to work you need power kernel, yes
16:04.12angelox|laptopDocScrutinizer, i thought it already were at extras-testing or just on the main repository
16:04.21DocScrutinizerangelox|laptop: for http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/sbin/booston you don't need PK
16:04.55angelox|laptopDocScrutinizer, i see. but i'm installing it for testing a new adaptor i've bought
16:05.01DocScrutinizerangelox|laptop: dunno which PK version is avaolable from where
16:06.27DocScrutinizerangelox|laptop: basically hostmode is all kernel patchwork
16:06.38DocScrutinizerthe gui is just, well a gui
16:08.05angelox|laptopi see
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16:08.36DocScrutinizerh-e-n is 90% kernel patches, 8% booston, and 2% gui
16:09.18DocScrutinizerso 90% of hostmode/h-e-n come with PK, 10% come with "the app"
16:09.33angelox|laptopi understand now
16:09.48angelox|laptopapt-get install hostmode-gui doesn't do 'anything'
16:10.10DocScrutinizernot really,yeah
16:10.50DocScrutinizerit gives yiu a GUI that will complain about kernel not providing hostmode functions
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17:06.05eichihello.
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17:06.50eichiHello. What is the easiest way to code setting saving in a pygtk allpication on maemo5?
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17:27.20eichiis gconf the easiest way for small preferences?
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17:53.36angelox|laptopDocScrutinizer, when in backupmenu,to charge what should i do?
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17:55.16DocScrutinizerit charges automatically, and signals doing so by increasing backlight brightness
17:56.03RST38hDoc: Sorry for asking again, what should I do with my fingers to bring up that quick access icon toolbar in Harmattan?
17:56.14DocScrutinizerit however does NOT check if everything ok with charging, or maybe charger fsckdup
17:56.51DocScrutinizerslide up lockscreen some 10mm and hold for 2s
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17:58.19DocScrutinizerRST38h: gotit?
17:58.25javispedrohold the device in portrait
17:58.32javispedrootherwhise it doesn't show up
17:58.40DocScrutinizeryup
17:59.16DocScrutinizerfor lockscreen it's been unambiguous
18:00.15RST38hDoc: Ah, thanks
18:00.52DocScrutinizerhory I got a black wallpaper on lockscreen
18:00.57DocScrutinizerhooray*
18:01.15RST38hNah, does not work here
18:01.27RST38hI wonder why...
18:01.50DocScrutinizerodd
18:02.32DocScrutinizeryou need to slide lockscreen up (from outside screen, so it's a "swipe"?) so much that the time display vanishes
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18:03.23DocScrutinizerand it doesn't work when kbd opened
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18:03.46DocScrutinizerand today my "3" = " " \o/
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18:07.43DocScrutinizerRST38h: just hold the "closed" device in portrait orientation, doubletap or push power to show lockscreen, then slide up some 10..20mm from very bottom of screen, sliding out the huge time display upwards, and *hold*
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18:10.34RST38hIt worked for me. ONCE.
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18:20.43MohammadAG<DocScrutinizer> and it doesn't work when kbd opened
18:20.46MohammadAGyou can
18:21.00MohammadAGit just has to be top up
18:21.05MohammadAG(which is retarded)
18:21.23DocScrutinizervery
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18:21.30MohammadAG<DocScrutinizer> slide up lockscreen some 10mm and hold for 2s
18:21.34MohammadAGany slide up works
18:21.35RST38hlooks like an unusable feature
18:21.35MohammadAGeven 0.1mm
18:21.43RST38has I have only been able to bring it up once =)
18:22.11MohammadAGhold the device in a 90 degree top up
18:22.18DocScrutinizeryou're sure you're not in ISS where's no up and down?
18:22.18MohammadAGas in as flat as your wall
18:22.28RST38hyeah
18:22.35MohammadAGI find it useful for quick calls
18:22.42MohammadAGjust the top up thing makes it useless at times
18:24.05DocScrutinizerindeed, if you hold it landscape wise up, then place flat on table, it doesn't work. Hold it portrait up, place down on table flat and it works - bwahaha
18:24.19DocScrutinizerAFK (rain starts, have to run)
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18:25.46DocScrutinizerMEH too late
18:25.58RST38hjust enjoy it =)
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18:56.16trumeeMy linux pc doesnt show the FAT partition in /dev/sde, cfdisk reports that /dev/sde has no partitions. strange
18:57.12trumeeah, /dev/sde doesnt have any partitions. It is mounted straightaway to /media/Nokia N900
18:57.20trumeestrange
18:57.39trumeei thought all drives need to have partitions.
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19:06.14trumeeawesome, http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1086354&postcount=130
19:07.32MoonTigersooooooo
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19:07.56MoonTigerahhhh great white text on the input box
19:08.31binditrumee: what :D
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19:09.03Sc0rpiuswhy would he think this is football related?
19:09.52trumeeiirc there was a thread about a football live stream
19:10.03Sc0rpiushehe
19:10.29ErwinJungetrumee: That's surprisingly funny :)
19:11.00trumeeErwinJunge: relief from the trolling in that thread.
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19:11.39ErwinJungeAlso, wow. 14 pages in a single day.
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19:16.50trumees***loads of spam on tmo. where are the mods?
19:17.15NIN102exactly.
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19:43.48n900-dkIs it possible the see somewhere, what the lovely, brilliant, clever CSSU guys are working on for the next CSSU?
19:44.18NIN102<PROTECTED>
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19:45.49Sc0rpiusor in the CSSU wiki maybe
19:46.06n900-dkHmm, I'm not sure how a look at the git will inform me..
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19:47.15NIN102commit comments, you don't always have to look at the code changes.
19:48.27MohammadAGI'll admit I'm working on Harmattan now :P
19:48.33n900-dkyeah, but doesn't really give me a clue
19:50.03njsf_Speaking of Harmattan… How would a US resident get a hold of either a N9 or N950, given that he has not registered any Maemo app due to the whole Elopcalypse?  And by get a hold I am considering forking some ca$h to the tune of the one I forked for the N900 ?
19:50.48NIN102you can all switch to harmattan, I'll be forever N900 loyal  and the last user who leaves #maemo :P
19:51.22Sc0rpiuswhat's Harmattan for you?
19:51.25Sc0rpiusMeego?
19:52.13NIN102no. More like maemo6.
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19:52.22njsf_I guess Harmattan for me is the MeeGo API yes, plus a more updated hardware ;)
19:52.42Sc0rpiusand what device has Harmattan
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19:52.52NIN102N9.
19:52.58Sc0rpiusN9 has Meego
19:53.06Sicelo0.0
19:53.09NIN102It's harmattan.
19:53.24MohammadAGwho said switch
19:53.39MohammadAGI've had the N950 since August, and you still see CSSU updates more than ever :p
19:53.46NIN102:-).
19:54.11MohammadAGgiven I'm not the one providing patches, but I'm still integrating updates
19:54.12Sc0rpiusNokia N9 and maybe a software like Swype/SlideIT that Android devices has and it would be the perfect phone
19:54.25njsf_MohammadAG: would a US Nokia employee be able to easily get a hold of either a N9 or N950 ?
19:54.54MohammadAGyou're the employee, not me
19:55.03MohammadAGSc0rpius, Swype is on the N9
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19:55.27njsf_I am not… I just know one… And I thought you were a Nokia employee. Sorry if I am mistaken then
19:55.44MohammadAGI wish
19:56.02MohammadAGwell given the current circumstances inside Nokia, I might want to take back that wish :p
19:56.39n900-dkMohammadAG: Guess you could easily get a job there, if you wanted to :)
19:57.07MohammadAGwithout a cert? :P
19:57.32Siceloand WP7 knowledge ;)
19:58.40MohammadAGhehe
19:59.07MohammadAGasks a polite question
19:59.10MohammadAGwhere the fuck are tmo mods
19:59.58njsf_Damn :( It seems my contact left Nokia US…
20:00.09njsf_Can't blame him tho
20:00.16DocScrutinizerhehe, I lured the lightning with lasers... IT WORKED :-P (me glares at his smoking DSL routermodem)
20:00.40DocScrutinizerjust my ears still ringing
20:00.44MohammadAGlol
20:01.05Sc0rpiusI think tmo mods bought Android phones or something
20:01.10Sc0rpiusthey're totally MIA
20:01.10MohammadAGso I need to do this presentation or something at uni in hebrew tomorrow
20:01.14MohammadAGwell, in 8 hours to be exact
20:01.19MohammadAGand I have no idea what to talk about
20:02.14Sc0rpiuswhat's the presentation about
20:02.14DocScrutinizerfunny thing: my TV survived
20:02.36MohammadAGSc0rpius, anything you want, that's why I have no idea what to talk about :p
20:02.48MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, did you?
20:02.57DocScrutinizerI'm not sure
20:03.00DocScrutinizer:-P
20:03.26n900-dkWhat field do you study?
20:03.38DocScrutinizerwas a strange effect when it flashed and cracked and then everything was just silence and darkness
20:03.43MohammadAGright now? prestudies
20:03.56MohammadAGhebrew for the first two months, then a year of physics + maths
20:04.03MohammadAGand english, hahahaha
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20:04.24DocScrutinizermath, ouch
20:04.40MohammadAGthat's easy
20:04.42n900-dkSo you will end up as... a genious?
20:05.04MohammadAGno, you'll end up ready for the first actual year of uni
20:05.05DocScrutinizersome say he's already there
20:05.16DocScrutinizerhe'll end up as an ex-genius ;-P
20:05.20MohammadAGwhether I study CS or CE is another thing
20:06.29MohammadAGI love backtraces like these
20:06.30MohammadAG#0  0x00000010 in ?? ()
20:06.30MohammadAG#1  0x3c98c8f0 in QGraphicsWidget::~QGraphicsWidget() () from /usr/lib/libQtGui.so.4
20:06.55peterbjornxzdocscrutinizer, explain???
20:07.11DocScrutinizerwhat?
20:07.33peterbjornxDocScrutinizerhehe, I lured the lightning with lasers... IT WORKED  (me glares at his smoking DSL routermodem)
20:07.43DocScrutinizerthe devastating effects of higher education on your creativity?
20:07.46DocScrutinizeraaah
20:08.40DocScrutinizerwell, I shot he clouds with my 200mW green laser - looked nice with all the raindrops twinkling
20:09.01DocScrutinizer20s later a lightning hit my house
20:09.09DocScrutinizerand fried my DSL
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20:10.08DocScrutinizerI think to cause this effect for real I'd need a 2MW laser, to ionize the air along the beam
20:10.16n900-dkHow is MfE in Meego/Harmattan? Is it working and a part of it?
20:10.27MohammadAGyeah
20:10.38ErwinJungeDocScrutinizer: Then it would hit you/the laser instead of the house. Is that really something you want? :)
20:10.57DocScrutinizernot really, that's why I stopped ;-P
20:11.30ErwinJungeAfter reading through the donations thread, one post really popped out to me: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1086008&postcount=87 --> The part about merging with Debian. How possible/impossible would this be?
20:12.04n900-dkWill the device present it self as provisionable to Exchange?
20:12.54DocScrutinizernow for step 2: replacing direct PPPoE access from my PC to the spare DSL modem by a properly configured d-link router
20:13.06DocScrutinizerbut first: dinner
20:14.27DocScrutinizerthen maybe first have a look into that smoked up ZyXEL. It has loose parts falling around inside now X-D
20:14.38MohammadAGD-Link?!
20:14.51DocScrutinizerD-615
20:14.57MohammadAG<3 TP-Link
20:15.06MohammadAGD-Link always sucked for me, except the first one I bought
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20:15.46MrOppositeHi
20:15.52peterbjornxive experimented with lasers, but never knew lasers could ionize the air and trigger a discharge
20:15.58MrOppositehow do I install the Frontier::Client thingi for perl
20:16.15MrOppositewhen I try it complains about gzip not accepting the --decompress flag
20:16.46NIN102ErwinJunge: Well, there is ofono, working. Recently I made an phone call, but without sound, but that is possible as meego-ce proves. Besides that, it's probably Nokia N8X0 status, but this can change in the future.
20:17.22jrayhawkIt may have also been evaporating raindrops enough to make a decent pathway.
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20:18.37ErwinJungeNIN102: So this is theoretically possible? I'd absolutely love the idea of a full debian on the phone while retaining phone functions. I guess all the closed Nokia apps are a big problem?
20:19.31NIN102theoretically, yes.
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20:21.34NIN102You can basically take a look at what works in meego-ce, and this can also work more or less in Debian, using meego kernel.
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20:22.38user232hello.
20:23.47ErwinJungeNIN102: Interesting, thanks.
20:24.21user232need to get a wireless network adapter to connect to a router
20:24.30user232just dont know how thats possible without a gui
20:24.44user232something like wicd-gtk perhaps for this device
20:25.01user232or getting the default user interface to use wlan0
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20:25.38DocScrutinizerpeterbjornx: will need mega pulses to ionize air
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20:26.05user232DocScrutinizer : possible ?
20:26.12DocScrutinizerno way you ionize normal atmospheric gas with a 200mW laser
20:27.36DocScrutinizeruser232: hm? set up wireless without gui? I think iwconfig and ifconfig are your friend
20:28.15DocScrutinizeror you tweak a few config files next to icd, if that'S about fremantle maemo
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20:29.14DocScrutinizereven gconf keys
20:30.00user232will use iwconfig, seems simple
20:30.07user232good to know its possible
20:30.22DocScrutinizerhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=68063  might help
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20:31.01thomasvsAnyone know where I can find fremantle maemosec-tools debs for x86 scratchbox?
20:32.18MohammadAGbuild them
20:32.57user232look who's here
20:33.22pabs3ErwinJunge: probably the non-free stuff will be a big issue, maybe freesmartphone.org is enough of a replacement though (slowly entering Debian), especially since SHR folks are working on N900 support
20:33.30user232the guy that's on all app credits i've got installed
20:34.41user232gona disconnect and give what DocScrutinizer suggested a test
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20:35.49ZogGhey, anyone from holland?
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20:37.11ErwinJungepabs3: Thanks for that link. Apparently there are a lot more projects going on than I thought :)
20:37.41ErwinJungeZogG: Yes, why do you ask?
20:37.59ZogGErwinJunge wonder if you have n9 and what are the prices?
20:38.03MohammadAG<user232> the guy that's on all app credits i've got installed
20:38.07MohammadAGwas that me or something? :P
20:38.48pabs3ErwinJunge: SHR: shr-project.org
20:39.08pabs3ErwinJunge: Debian smartphone thoughts: wiki.debian.org/Smartphone
20:39.40pabs3ErwinJunge: recent mobile BoF at DebConf11 minutes: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2011/09/msg00126.html
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20:40.57ErwinJungeZogG: Apparently, not (yet). As in, I can't find a shop selling it at this time and I have no idea if it will release here or when.
20:40.58pabs3ErwinJunge: there was someone looking to be elected to the Maemo governance thing on the basis of merging with Debian
20:41.19pabs3ErwinJunge: Jeremiah Foster
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20:41.35ZogGErwinJunge it wouldn't be released in my country but my friend goes to there, so...
20:42.39ErwinJungeZogG: No problem, but this is the limit of my knowledge on the subject though :)
20:42.55ErwinJungepabs3: Wow, thanks for all those links. Bookmarked to read tomorrow.
20:43.04pabs3ErwinJunge: disclaimer (as a Debian member and someone owning an OpenMoko I'm very biased)
20:43.18ZogGErwinJunge what about hp touchpad btw
20:43.38ErwinJungeZogG: Not at the decreased pricepoint, that's US only I believe.
20:43.51ZogG=\
20:44.05ZogGdoooooomed
20:45.17njsf_Hmmm I guess I might have a shot at buying a N9 after all
20:45.32ZogG=\
20:45.33njsf_It might be available when I travel to Portugal later in the year
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20:45.43user32http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_USB_networking#Host_configuration_on_Archlinux_via_netcfg
20:45.52ZogGnjsf_, yeah, why not, make me feel worse
20:46.16user32after that, what needs to be done to share the PCs internet with the device
20:46.45njsf_Sorry ZogG. Hey… If I manage to get my hands on one I'll say something here and I can can get one for another US resident then
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20:48.14ZogGnjsf_ it would be ironic but i'm from god forgotten country
20:48.45user32and how's that done without udev ?
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20:50.14ZogGuser32 what are you trying to do?
20:51.00user32share the internet connection
20:51.55ZogGfrom n900 or with n900?
20:51.56peterbjornxzogGi am dutch
20:52.09ZogGpeterbjornx so?
20:52.11user32ZogG : with
20:52.27ZogGuser32 don't you have wi-fi?
20:52.40user32peterbjornx : he's dutch
20:53.02ZogGpeterbjornx, or you mean you are from netherland?
20:53.17user32no <ZogG>
20:53.45peterbjornxi am
20:54.48ZogGpeterbjornx, i think ErwinJunge already answered me that there is no n9 to get there =(
20:55.12ZogGbtw what are the prices for it?
20:55.31ZogGi mean in Ue where it is available
20:55.55ErwinJungeZogG: Btw, where are you from? Can't you just ebay it or something?
20:56.34ZogGErwinJunge wouldn't buy such expensive things over ebay
20:57.07ErwinJungePaypal gives you buyer protection, so I don't see your point.
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20:58.17ZogGif i get something wrong all the shipping back and nervs don't worth it
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20:58.30ZogGuser32 did you follow guide?
21:01.11ErwinJungeAnyways, I'm off. Byebye all.
21:02.21ZogGuser32, if you did, did you restarted udev?
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21:26.03beetleeHi
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21:27.09beetleeEsbox doesn't run on my box, Debian SID. Do I need an specific version of Xulrunner to start it up or may it be a different issue?
21:27.27UberNeoHi All, I am getting the missing icons ,pink screen and automatic retstarts on my N900 .. have flashed few times .. even though its hapenning .. can anybody help me out
21:28.49SpeedEvilUberNeo: I vaguely remember that that symptom has been in others cause dby the EMMC - the main mass storage - failing.
21:30.24UberNeoI have fsck the /dev/mmcblk0p1 and /dev/mmcblk0p2 .. even though its hapening
21:30.52UberNeoSpeedEvil: do i need to repartition the emmc
21:32.02SpeedEvilUberNeo: can you get dmesg?
21:32.53UberNeoSpeedEvil: okk . gv me some time .. i will just ssh and gv u the dmesg
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21:46.25UberNeoSpeedEvil: here is the dmesg -- http://pastebin.com/nci5SeGd
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21:47.49SpeedEvilOk - no clearly obvious errors, which is good
21:47.56SpeedEvilWhat does the composite out show?
21:49.08UberNeocomposite out ??
21:50.27SpeedEvilVideo out
21:50.41SpeedEvilIf you happen to have something suitable to plug it into, and haven't lost the lead
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21:51.37UberNeono I dont have a TV .. alno no video jacks in my Laptop :(
21:52.30UberNeoactually this time .. it restarted properly .. i can see all the images on the N900 screen
21:52.46SpeedEvilHave you been overclocking?
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21:53.03SpeedEvilIn principle, you can get subtle damage. Also soldering defects can cause wierd issues
21:53.25UberNeono ...just using the RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin image
21:54.47UberNeodoes repartioning the emmc will help ??
21:55.19SpeedEvilSorry - too tired to answer that.
21:55.26SpeedEvilNight, and good luck.
21:56.02UberNeogive me any . pointers . so that i shud spend the night with tha
21:56.17SpeedEvilYou might try looking over tmo
21:56.21SpeedEviltalk.maemo.org
21:56.29SpeedEvil!logs
21:56.40SpeedEvilDunno if there are any published logs for here
21:57.25UberNeook .. thanks a lot .. i wiil try tonight .. may be we can talk tmmrw
21:57.57UberNeoduring what times u come  online ??
21:58.23SpeedEvilIt's usually more actuve here from around 2 hours ago to 8 hours ago
21:58.42UberNeookk ..
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21:59.14archlanybody can tell me how to use Libre.fm on N900?
21:59.16archlthanks
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