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02:53.36archlanybody tell me what you use for IRC on N900?
02:53.45archlthanks
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03:40.24Sazpaimonis the latest CSSU PR 1.4 or is it still in testing
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08:36.38crashanddie'sup maemo
08:36.51merlin1991crashanddie: git black magic
08:37.01crashanddiehmm?
08:37.16merlin1991That's up ;)
08:37.17crashanddiethere's no black magic in git, just order and reason.
08:37.48merlin1991Black magic is the art of doing something nobody else understands
08:38.20crashanddieI don't see what git has to do with that ;)
08:38.50crashanddieI've got a couple dozen people using my gitorious install every day, working very smoothly
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10:13.12ErwinJungeHi guys. Reflash day :) The Nokia-provided backup tool also backs up contacts I hope? Since that's essentially the only I really need it to backup, I want to start with a clean slate. Going to rsync the whole thing now anyways, so can't really miss anything, but would like to be VERY sure.
10:14.05NIN101/home/user/.osso-abook* are iirc the contacts
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10:15.50MohammadAGflashing only rootfs won't remove contacts anyways :)
10:17.32ErwinJunge_I want to enlarge /home as well, so eMMC is also going :)
10:17.58ErwinJunge_My crappy internet dropped btw, did I miss a reply before yours MohammadAG?
10:18.07NIN101<NIN101> /home/user/.osso-abook* are iirc the contacts
10:18.27ErwinJunge_Thanks :)
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10:35.06ErwinJunge__~reflash
10:35.06infoboti guess reflash is zImage and/or initrd.bin on CF and press C+D+Reset (collie) OR updater.sh, zimage.bin and/or initrd.bin on CF/SD and press OK while rebooting, then option 4, then CD or SF, then HAI (yes), then wait and cross fingers (all other models)
10:35.27ErwinJunge__Hm.. not the info I was looking for :)
10:36.08ErwinJunge__I have no idea how to tell infobot this, but shouldn't ~reflash mention http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware ?
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10:39.32ErwinJunge__Btw, why is the rootfs image also called FIASCO? I find it funny to think it's because of the events leading up to a reflash, but that's probably not it ;)
10:44.52psycho_oreosI wouldn't know why its called fiasco nor would I know the full name if its an abbreviated term. afaik it doesn't just contain rootfs images, it also contains images for the bootloader (NOLO) amongst a few other things
10:45.04lbtinfobot: what on earth are you talking about collie for?
10:45.05infobotlbt: what are you talking about?
10:45.24lbtinfobot: collie, you muppet
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10:51.33ErwinJunge__On a related note: That page keeps going on about "this doesn't reset your lock code". I don't use a lock code, but a question does come to mind: What if you forgot your lock code? Is there a way to reset it?
10:52.28psycho_oreosif your device wasn't initially powered on, no, if your device is still powered on and has not shown the lock code yet then yes
10:52.56psycho_oreosthough there is a workaround by using older firmware.. I don't know if it works (I think the last time I tried it but it didn't work)
10:53.25psycho_oreosin either case the lock code is encrypted and can be easily decrypted with a normal computer
10:54.34ErwinJunge__Ok, so in the remote case that you turn off your phone and forget your lock code before turning it on again (talk about short-term memory) you can still get at it. What encryption does it use that's so easily crackable?
10:54.56NIN101IIRC  DES
10:56.07psycho_oreosit is DES
10:56.40psycho_oreosits a lot better than its predecessors (i.e. N8x0 and possibly even 770) which had lock codes in plaintext
10:57.13psycho_oreosIf you turned off your device and forgot it has a lock code, you'll have to use the workaround which requires flashing at least 3 times altogether
10:57.39NIN101you can boot another OS and read it from mtd, and crack it on your computer
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10:58.36ErwinJunge__Funny. I never got the point of these things anyways, since by the time someone has physical access to the device all security is broken anyways.
10:59.23psycho_oreosbooting from another OS requires the other OS to be installed in the first place :)
10:59.24NIN101yes, therefore I don't see the point in encrypting it. It's just some stupid after all and does not protect your files.
10:59.32NIN101psycho_oreos: no
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10:59.59NIN101It's possible to load it with the flasher for example.
11:00.53psycho_oreosNIN101, yes it is possible but if one is knowledgeable in doing so why go to that extent when a simple reflash would do? plus not all flash methods are 100% safe either
11:01.15psycho_oreosErwinJunge__, not all the time will the thief be that knowledgeable :)
11:02.32psycho_oreosin fact in a much simpler scenario that the thief was dumb enough to turn off the stolen device with lock code enabled would probably chuck the device away upon seeing the lock code when the device is turned on.. unless of course the thief is knowledgeable in flashing devices.. again it all depends
11:02.53NIN101well, for a correct security concept you have to assume that :-).
11:04.20psycho_oreosthen again if one was that paranoid about it, they can either simply not take their device around and to keep it in a safe when not in use.. or otherwise employ something like truecrypt
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11:06.36NIN101the latter is what I'm doing, and something more. And the lock code is still activated, if someone steals my phone while it is turned on it's he/she would still have access to the files obviously.  
11:07.43psycho_oreosnot if you set autolock to a much shorter interval :)
11:08.12SpeedEvildoes lock make mass storage not work?
11:08.14NIN101yeah, it's on 5 minutes.
11:08.54psycho_oreosSpeedEvil, lock code/autolock? no I doubt it
11:09.07NIN101but how can you click on "mass-storage mode" when the device is locked...
11:09.11NIN101*touch
11:09.31psycho_oreosin fact you can't even get out of the lock screen :)
11:09.58SpeedEvilah
11:10.12SpeedEvilNever used lock
11:11.12psycho_oreosnot afraid of someone else fiddling your device when you're not physically there? ;)
11:11.41SpeedEvilNo. :(
11:12.13psycho_oreosheh that's a bad practise.. I have a habit of autolocking my device
11:12.44SpeedEvilDepends how often it's out of your posession
11:13.26psycho_oreosthere's never a depending factor :) once its lost it'll be a lesson learnt or you'll never learn :)
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11:13.49psycho_oreosi.e. its better to be safe than sorry regardless of the outcome
11:13.54SpeedEvilSure.
11:14.20SpeedEvilBut if you're out with the phone 16h/day, vs 16h/year, forex
11:15.30psycho_oreosactually thinking about it, you don't really need to even boot with another OS, flash with older PR, etc.. if the thief that has possession of your device, he could get away with using flash box.. there's no need to mess around too much
11:15.56psycho_oreosit doesn't mean that 16h/year meant that your device is guaranteed to not get stolen within that time frame :)
11:16.24robbiethe1stYou know... what we really need is a lock screen that, when a wrong password is entered, loads a "blank" home-screen and virtual disk images. And activates Prey.
11:16.28psycho_oreosyou could be walking home late one time from a pub and you happen to be mugged.. the thieves stole all your important possessions
11:16.49robbiethe1stTherefor, someone can hit a key, get in(so they won't wipe it) but won't have access to your stuff
11:17.10SpeedEvilMultiple user accounts would be nice
11:18.44psycho_oreosI really don't think the thieves would be interested in what you stash on your device.. even if its some rare porn you happen to just have. All they care about is reselling and reaping the profits
11:18.45robbiethe1stYea, have a "guest" account for error on login...
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11:20.03psycho_oreosin other words.. if they can freely access your stuff, its a bonus.. otherwise they're in for profit making
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11:20.38ErwinJunge__For safety reasons I use full system encryption with Fedora on my laptop, but that has the potential danger of "lose your pass, lose everything" since it's completely unrecoverable.
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11:23.57SpeedEvilBackup
11:24.45psycho_oreosidont, just out of curiosity, are you the creator behind that N900's promotional video with the intro that goes off about N900 versus iPhone?
11:24.57NIN101bbl
11:25.31idontpsycho_oreos, nope, haven't made any videos
11:25.51psycho_oreosidont, fair enough, just funny to keep seeing your handle and being reminded of that video
11:26.11idontpsycho_oreos, I see ;)
11:26.25psycho_oreosidont, you do know which video I'm referring to right? :D
11:26.50idontpsycho_oreos, tbh not, but I do have an idea about the content of that video
11:27.07ysss*nods to oreos*
11:27.26psycho_oreosidont, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vk6F2V144Hc
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11:28.08ysssI had a device stolen few weeks ago, all the thief did was to just immediately shut off the wireless connections and reflash it… otherwise I would've been able to track him down
11:29.29idontpsycho_oreos, haha, I've never seen that video before. I see your point now :-p
11:29.55idontit even has the capital D in it ( like my TMO account)
11:30.31psycho_oreosysss, I guess you're unlucky to have the thief knowing how to flash the device.. there was a tmo thread of a lucky person who happen to track his stolen device down when the thief simply restored factory settings
11:30.46psycho_oreosidont, heh ironic no? :D
11:30.51SpeedEvilI've protected my device against flashing.
11:31.03psycho_oreosSpeedEvil, wtf how?
11:31.24SpeedEvilTake the device, put the wall-charger in, and then drop it right on the plug.
11:31.42psycho_oreoslol and a broken microUSB port :
11:31.43psycho_oreos:p
11:32.03idontpsycho_oreos, well, it's not like I chose my name because I'm that much into Apple hw ;-)
11:32.10psycho_oreosthe thief sure will have good time reselling that broken N900 ;)
11:32.11yssspsycho_oreos: yeah, I read that… and some other blog articles of people stalkingg their thieves as well. I was hoping that my thief would do something 'silly' as that, alas it didn't turn out that way.
11:32.16SpeedEvilFortunately, the pads at the back look clear - I just need to get up the energy to solder it on
11:32.41psycho_oreosidont, nah it was coincidental that your handle was the same as that N900 video which gone viral back in the days
11:32.58psycho_oreosysss, yeah that sucks :/ sorry to hear that
11:33.15SpeedEvilCurrently swapping battery daily
11:33.18idontpsycho_oreos, I see
11:33.35psycho_oreosidont, and a nice music theme to boot :D
11:33.49ysssyep
11:33.58idont:-D
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11:49.58ErwinJunge__Any experiences with swappolube? The wiki page explains the different options, but doesn't have any actual measurements of effects. Did anyone do some sort of benchmark test?
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12:02.00Psiis there a reason for all these CSSU updates?
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12:16.56psycho_oreoshd portrait + whitelist + others fix, typo fixed, security fix
12:17.12psycho_oreosit doesn't hurt to follow that tmo thread :P
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12:31.42meceanyone having gps issues with latest cssu?
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12:33.27angelox|laptopis waked up
12:33.44angelox|laptopHi DocScrutinizer51
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12:34.34jeremiah_Is there a public key available for https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/?
12:35.04psycho_oreosyes
12:35.06jeremiah_When I use gpg --recv-key ADB4438160A655EF
12:35.14jeremiah_I'm unable to pull it in
12:35.25jeremiah_It should likely get published
12:35.51jeremiah_So that people who are getting warnings can verify the authenticity of the repo
12:35.55psycho_oreosI'm sure a copy of the key might be on the device itself.. i.e. N900
12:37.55jeremiah_I'm suspicious that it is not: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=76410
12:37.58trumeeanybody using openvpn on N900?
12:38.19jeremiah_That thread points to people having problems with that key.
12:38.20trumeei seem to get "TLS: tls_process: killed expiring key" in openvpn sessions.
12:38.38jeremiah_trumee: Looks like your key is expired?
12:39.08trumeejeremiah_: i havent set any key.
12:39.24bindijeremiah_: I have the same problem
12:39.27bindijust did apt-get update
12:39.42trumeejeremiah_: http://openvpn.net/archive/openvpn-users/2007-07/msg00104.html
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12:39.53bindiThe following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY ADB4438160A655EF
12:40.18trumeejeremiah_: seems like there is some permissions issue
12:40.48jeremiah_trumee: Yeah, I think you're right
12:41.00jeremiah_What is the name of your Openvpn conf file?
12:41.11jeremiah_I call mine the default name "tun0.conf"
12:41.21jeremiah_And on my debian box it lives in /etc/openvpn/
12:41.25trumeejeremiah_: funny thing is that opevpn process is run as root so it should have all the permissions
12:41.53trumeejeremiah_: shouldnt matter what the conf files are called i guess
12:42.05jeremiah_trumee: Yeah. I think it has to run as root since it is giving you a new IP address, but I think permissions will still matter.
12:42.31jeremiah_trumee: No, you're likely right, shouldn't matter what they are called, but we can at least look at the perms of the conf file
12:42.37jeremiah_See if we see anything obvious.
12:43.24trumeejeremiah_: going by the link above, it is probably the cert/key file permissions which matter
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12:43.45trumeejeremiah_: btw, you dont get that error?
12:44.33jeremiah_Which error?
12:44.45jeremiah_The openvpn error or the missing key error?
12:45.18jeremiah_When I run openvpn here, I don't get any errors.
12:45.19trumeejeremiah_: expired key error on N900?
12:45.34jeremiah_trumee: No, but I haven't tried to access that Nokia URL either. :/
12:45.52jeremiah_This happens from time to time though if I remember correctly.
12:45.57trumeejeremiah_: the error triggers after exactly one hour of running openvpn
12:46.11jeremiah_Ah, that. Hmm. Weird.
12:46.22jeremiah_I wonder if there is a setting you can tweak?
12:47.05trumeejeremiah_: "reneg-sec 3600"
12:47.32jeremiah_Have you tweaked that? :)
12:48.00trumeejeremiah_: not yet but i would rather have the  permissions issue solved rather than tweaking the behaviour
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12:50.33jeremiah_heh, probably the smarter way to go. :)
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12:51.17jeremiah_trumee: This is what I have on my conf file: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3457 Aug 26 23:19 /etc/openvpn/tun0.conf
12:52.14psycho_oreosjeremiah_, have you checked the gpg keys inside /etc/apt on your N900? those trustdb.gpg, trusted.gpg, trusted.gpg~ contains keys for the repositories
12:52.20trumeehow about the permissions of key file?
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12:53.18trumeejeremiah_: the permissions of my key file is -rw-------
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12:53.36trumeejeremiah_: and crt file is -rw-r--r--
12:59.18jeremiah_Key file has the same perms as yours
12:59.28jeremiah_But not root
12:59.37jeremiah_That one is owned by me
13:00.42jeremiah_psycho_oreos: Are you sure those are up to date? And that they cover the download repo?
13:03.01psycho_oreosjeremiah_, http://pastebin.com/Hynbc64Y
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13:41.39DocScrutinizerwonders about running apt under user account might do some weird things
13:41.54SpeedEvilIt just says 'go away'
13:42.01SpeedEvilmust be root
13:42.49keriowhy isn't the user always root anyway
13:42.55kerioit's a very, *very* single-user system
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13:43.49SpeedEvilSome seperation is a good idea IMO
13:44.21SpeedEvilIf only from the fact that userspace can't easily kill non-user processes
13:44.27DocScrutinizerkerio: running all processes as root is a very poor idea, no matter how single-user the system seems to be
13:44.29ErwinJunge__kerio: because of the danger of fuckups
13:44.39kerioDocScrutinizer: sudo gainroot
13:44.52DocScrutinizerkerio: what?
13:44.53kerioor HAM
13:45.07kerioif you're not going to ask for a password you might as well just leave everything open
13:46.18ErwinJunge__kerio: That is actually a good point, passwordless root is a serious problem. A user that types "sudo gainroot" *should* go into "careful now, this could be dangerous" mode
13:46.35keriono, gainroot should be removed
13:46.55kerioadd user to /etc/sudoers, asking for a password
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13:47.02kerioand set a password
13:47.22ErwinJunge__That's definetely better, agreed. Same goes for ssh btw. Why do I have to ssh in as root always?
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13:48.16ErwinJunge__I'm not bothered enough to fix it myself though. Are you?
13:48.25Sicelou can set sudo gainroot to require password
13:48.29DocScrutinizerkerio: BS
13:48.44DocScrutinizergainroot can't be remved
13:48.54ErwinJunge__Is the ssh as root thing even fixable?
13:49.08kerioDocScrutinizer: why not
13:49.32SiceloErwinJunge__: yes, i disabled it on mine
13:50.00DocScrutinizerkerio: see http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools , § "# fix NOPASSWD for root / sudo gainroot"
13:50.09ErwinJunge__Sicelo: Could you provide some instructions? I guess it involves somehow setting a pass for user?
13:50.30Sicelopity i messed something up somehow, now can't demand password for sudo gainroot :(
13:51.35DocScrutinizerkerio: (why not) there's no other way on a busybox system to become root
13:52.08Siceloyes ErwinJunge__, then you edit /etc/ssh/sshd_config ... there's a part that says 'PermitRootLogin'
13:52.22kerioDocScrutinizer: /sbin/sudo?
13:52.37DocScrutinizerkerio: as su doesn't work, due to lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 7 2010-06-23 06:13 /bin/su -> busybox
13:52.55keriosudo -i
13:54.19DocScrutinizerless `which gainroot`
13:54.31kerioheh, Scumbag N900 - Marketed to linux nerds / Uses busybox
13:54.45ErwinJunge__Sicelo: Wouldn't setting a pass for user somehow screw up stuff? It seems to me that if this was a good idea it would be the default?
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13:55.07Sicelonope. doesn't screw anything :)
13:55.51ErwinJunge__Considering that I'm about to reflash anyway, I might as well test it after the rsync is done. rsyncing over usb network takes ages btw.
13:56.36Siceloso presently u ssh as root and do everything as root too?
13:57.51ErwinJunge__Yup
13:58.02ErwinJunge__I don't like it though, but that's what the default does...
13:58.19DocScrutinizersu - user
13:58.27ErwinJunge__I prefer the sudo "root for the duration of one command" style
13:59.01ErwinJunge__DocScrutinizer: just doing ssh user@n900 seems the "right" way to do things
13:59.12DocScrutinizeryeah, sure
13:59.18DocScrutinizerI just didn't bother
13:59.43Sicelodidn't bother with what DocScrutinizer?
13:59.46ErwinJunge__Neither did I. It bothers me a bit that I'm always sshing as root, but not enough to fix it yet.
14:00.08DocScrutinizerwith being / not being root when ssh'ing to N900
14:01.30DocScrutinizeractually I can ssh in via root and user account same way
14:02.22DocScrutinizeras I've set up authorized_keys  for user account as well
14:02.28Siceloif only i could figure out why i can't set password to be required for root again
14:02.42DocScrutinizereh?
14:02.51DocScrutinizeron sudo gainroot?
14:03.11DocScrutinizerSicelo: see http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools , § "# fix NOPASSWD for root / sudo gainroot"
14:03.23ErwinJunge__DocScrutinizer: I get permission denied, since the pass isn't correct (it can't be, since I never set it in the first place)
14:03.43DocScrutinizerErwinJunge__: on which action?
14:03.51ErwinJunge__ssh user@n900
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14:04.11DocScrutinizerthe point is you can't ssh to an account that has no password set
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14:04.19ErwinJunge__That's what I just said :)
14:04.53DocScrutinizererr what?
14:05.05DocScrutinizer>>...since I never set it in the first place<<
14:05.16ErwinJunge__That I can't ssh in as user since I never set the pass for user
14:05.33DocScrutinizerso where's the problem?
14:05.37Siceloyour tools page helped .... but something must have happened thereafter, as no password is required for sudo gainroot, even though all the relevant files are as in your method
14:06.11DocScrutinizeryou've run update-sudoers?
14:06.14ErwinJunge__The problem is that I didn't set a pass :) The reason however is that I always thought it might screw up the boot process somehow.
14:06.32Siceloyes, update-sudoers runs fine
14:07.26ErwinJunge__http://www.extremetech.com/computing/95457-how-to-surf-t-mobile-without-a-data-plan --> This is amazing :)
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14:07.55SpeedEvilUmm...
14:10.35Sicelomy /etc/sudoers.d/01sudo file has the Defaults targetpw and USER ALL = PASSWD : /usr/sbin/gainroot
14:11.10DocScrutinizer~ $ sudo -l |grep gainroot
14:11.12DocScrutinizer<PROTECTED>
14:12.04DocScrutinizerSicelo: also a sudo -k might help ;-)
14:12.53DocScrutinizerSicelo: you're aware that sudo usually remembers password for a user, for some 5 min
14:14.16Siceloi wasn't aware, but this is the same even after a reboot
14:14.28DocScrutinizerhmm, strange then
14:15.01Siceloindeed, as for the bove commands, i get the same output u have just posted
14:15.21Sicelos/bov/abov/
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14:16.18DocScrutinizergrep gainroot /etc/sudoers
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14:17.25DocScrutinizermust be in that file only once, like >> user ALL = PASSWD: /usr/sbin/gainroot <<
14:18.16Sicelouser ALL = PASSWD: /usr/sbin/gainroot
14:18.32Sicelosame
14:18.41ErwinJunge__~bm
14:18.41infobotit has been said that backupmenu is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975
14:20.28DocScrutinizerSicelo: so only thing I could imagine is you've set an empty root password
14:20.58DocScrutinizerSicelo: also please try sudo -k
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14:22.33Sicelolet me confirm root password. i positive i set it, but let me see :)
14:23.00DocScrutinizersetting root password again is never a bad idea ;-)
14:24.08DocScrutinizerof course a grep "^root" /etc/passwd also helps
14:24.43Siceloit's set.
14:26.18DocScrutinizerthen do an "id" please
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14:27.17DocScrutinizer(as obviously root doesn't need to enter password for "sudo gainroot")
14:27.28Sicelouid=0(root) gid=0(root)
14:27.33DocScrutinizer;-P
14:27.42Sicelouid=0(root) gid=0(root)
14:27.43DocScrutinizersu - user
14:27.48DocScrutinizersudo gainroot
14:28.21Sicelosorry, the above is if i'm root
14:28.33Sicelouid=29999(user) gid=29999(users) if i'm user
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14:28.41DocScrutinizerthat's obvious
14:32.51DocScrutinizersudo -k; if [ x$(whoami) == xroot ]; then echo "you're not supposed to run sudo gainroot as root, please use sudo - user!"; fi; root
14:34.03DocScrutinizerthough:
14:34.08DocScrutinizerIroN900:~# sudo gainroot
14:34.09DocScrutinizerroot is not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported.
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14:38.56DocScrutinizerSicelo: anyway see http://paste.debian.net/129209/ esp line 16
14:38.58Siceloguess it will be fixed on a next flash :(
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14:39.54DocScrutinizerI honestly fail to see where's the problem, except you not being aware of sudo -k
14:40.41Siceloi run sudo -k, and get back to the prompt
14:41.05DocScrutinizerthat's ok, sudo -k just expires the password memory
14:41.17DocScrutinizersee http://paste.debian.net/129209/
14:42.06DocScrutinizerfirst time the root cmd didn't ask for password as it had been in sudo's 5min memory
14:42.19DocScrutinizerafter sudo -k it asks for password
14:42.23DocScrutinizer(line 16)
14:43.33Sicelofor me it's still the same. strange, because this worked before. guess i installed something which messed it
14:44.10DocScrutinizerI can'T see what could mess it up, if there's only one line for gainroot in etc/sudoers
14:45.03DocScrutinizeronly a rooted /usr/sbin/sudo could cause this
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14:45.44DocScrutinizerIroN900:~# ls -l `which sudo`
14:45.46DocScrutinizer-rwsr-xr-x 2 root root 91584 2009-04-17 10:50 /usr/bin/sudo
14:46.30DocScrutinizerif this binary is correct, and /etc/sudoers file is correct, then how could it fail?
14:47.20DocScrutinizergrep "gainroot" /etc/sudoers
14:47.21Siceloand i have same output too, except mine is 90040 bytes :/
14:47.34DocScrutinizerduh
14:48.15DocScrutinizeryour device got rooted ;-P
14:49.11DocScrutinizerIroN900:~# grep "gainroot" /etc/sudoers
14:49.13DocScrutinizeruser ALL = PASSWD: /usr/sbin/gainroot
14:49.14DocScrutinizerIroN900:~#
14:49.47DocScrutinizerthere must not be more than one line containing gainroot in etc/sudoers!
14:50.10Siceloi have only one
14:50.23DocScrutinizerif there isn't, and the one line in yours looks like that one above, then the sudo binary is the culprit
14:50.39Sicelosuspects package sudser
14:50.45DocScrutinizereeeeew
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14:52.15DocScrutinizerhmm http://maemo.org/packages/view/sudser/
14:53.57bindiuh
14:54.25bindiis there any weather widget that can connect to 3G hourly and disconnect after it has fetched the new data
14:54.50DocScrutinizerno widget does disconnect from 3G
14:55.06DocScrutinizerSicelo: seems sudser is "clean"
14:57.05Siceloi think i'll try reinstall rootsh and see
14:57.17DocScrutinizerbindi: basically icd2 does "disconnect" though actually you never disconnect from 3G APN login usually - there are some apps that claim to do that, for errr unclear reasons, as mere being "online" not in itself eats any power or data volume
14:57.51DocScrutinizerSicelo: I'd like to understand why your sudo binary has different size than mine
14:58.05kevin_bhey guys
14:58.11kevin_bdoes some of u develop on device?
14:58.54kevin_bI would just like to know where is the 4.74 qt-x11-maemo
14:59.02DocScrutinizerSicelo: http://paste.debian.net/129211/
14:59.26kevin_balso is there a arm qt4-dev package for this version?
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15:02.26Sicelohere's mine, looks similar .. http://pastebin.com/5dH1QcDR
15:04.00DocScrutinizerhmm, yeah. so WTF it has different size?
15:04.44DocScrutinizeractually I start to think about s/;-P/:-S/ in [2011-09-10 16:48:14] <DocScrutinizer> your device got rooted ;-P
15:05.29DocScrutinizerplease paste full output of   ls -l `which sudo`
15:07.01Sicelohttp://pastebin.com/MmrPA595
15:09.54DocScrutinizersigh, this one line could've been the output ;-P
15:10.09DocScrutinizersysinfo-tool -g /device/sw-release-ver ?
15:10.29DocScrutinizerplease don't pastebin
15:10.37DocScrutinizer:-D it's also one line
15:10.57DocScrutinizerRX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_MR0  here
15:11.10SiceloRX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_MR0
15:12.04DocScrutinizersome fsckng rogue package installed a fake /usr/bin/sudo on your system
15:12.38DocScrutinizeror on mine ;-P
15:12.48bindiDocScrutinizer: so you're saying being connected to the internet using 3G and doing nothing doesnt drain battery more?
15:13.00DocScrutinizeryes, exactly
15:13.18DocScrutinizerunless you are getting pings from the internet
15:13.33idontDocScrutinizer: busybox-power (extras-devel version) fixes su: /bin/su -> /bin/busybox_root
15:13.41idontwhich has: -rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 80768 Sep 10 14:50 /bin/busybox_root
15:13.44Sicelolol, i think it's my side, and i'm really suspecting sudser. i think the behavior started around time i anstalled it
15:13.51DocScrutinizerfor that there's actually only the teardown of GPRS connection
15:14.01idontthough I know you dislike 'messybox' ;-). Just sayin'
15:14.43DocScrutinizerSicelo: I cheked the sudser source in that .tgz, it looks "clean"
15:15.14DocScrutinizeridont: thanks for informing me
15:15.39idontDocScrutinizer: yw
15:16.16idontbtw, don't mind the date of the /bin/busybox_root binary, I'm currently testing BusyBox 1.19.2, which has been released a few days ago, on my device.
15:17.16Sicelowonders if apt-get install sudo won't make matter worse :/
15:17.58DocScrutinizeridont: I'd not like to swap fremantle busybox for any augmented stuff, too much risk to break system init. I'd rather go for a parallel decent shell plus unix tools every day
15:19.24DocScrutinizerSicelo: http://paste.debian.net/129216/
15:19.31DocScrutinizerSicelo: go for it
15:20.13DocScrutinizerdon't forget to copy the "rogue" sudo binary to a safe place prior to doing apt-get install
15:20.22DocScrutinizerfor later forensic purposes
15:21.12idontDocScrutinizer: yep, I've noticed your opinion in the chan log before, and I see your point. I, for one, like to have most of the common *NIX utilities on my device by default without taking up too much space. When I do need full GNU versions, I'll only install those.
15:21.52idontBut of course, bash > ash :-)
15:21.58DocScrutinizerfair enough, I just am concerned about the risk to swap out stock busybox
15:22.42idontif I may believe http://maemo.org/download-stats2/index.php?unixname=busybox-power&os=Maemo5, then it should be risk free as I haven't had a single report of a failing device
15:22.42DocScrutinizeryuck, my grammar gets worse every day... *I'm just concerned*
15:22.58idont*relatively risk free, you can never be sure of course
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15:24.32DocScrutinizeranyway fellas, RL is fading away around me, since hours actually. IOW I need a break
15:25.40Sicelothanks :)
15:25.52DocScrutinizerSicelo: what's your policy for sudo?
15:26.10DocScrutinizeratp-cache policy sudo
15:26.15DocScrutinizerapt even
15:26.26DocScrutinizersame as here?
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15:29.16Siceloyes, same
15:29.43DocScrutinizerso go and reinstall from nokia repo via apt-get
15:29.55DocScrutinizercheck if size changed after that
15:30.30DocScrutinizerprior to that do a cp `which sudo` /home/user/MySpace
15:30.57DocScrutinizerand MAKE A BACKUP!! preferrably via BM
15:31.07DocScrutinizer~bm
15:31.07infobothmm... backupmenu is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975
15:31.52DocScrutinizeras breaking sudo or the sudoers config will definitely kill your system and require a reflash usually
15:31.56bindihmm
15:32.03bindihow can I get adblock for opera on the n900?
15:32.31DocScrutinizeris Over&Out
15:32.52bindiah
15:35.12DocScrutinizerDUH
15:35.22DocScrutinizerSicelo: you got R&D mode enabled?
15:36.08DocScrutinizer(not that this would explain the different size of binary, but it would explain the behaviour at least)
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15:41.07Sicelono. i have never used R&D
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16:01.05trumeeFor some of my sites microb always asks for a password even though i have saved them before. weird.
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16:06.24ErwinJunge__Sicelo, DocScrutinizer: -rwsr-xr-x    2 root     root         90040 Apr 17  2009 /usr/bin/sudo --> Mine is same size as Sicelo's
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16:15.57DocScrutinizerweird stuff, on my both devices it's 91584
16:16.47DocScrutinizerI wonder if any of the *-gnu packages I installed might have replaced it
16:17.52DocScrutinizerif any apt/dpkg guru would tell me how to find *all* the packages on a deb system that provide a certain file...
16:18.27javispedroit requires special information on the repo I do not think maemo.org provides
16:18.30javispedroit's called apt-file
16:18.37DocScrutinizer:-/
16:18.41javispedrounless you mean "all installed packages"?
16:18.43DocScrutinizerthanks javispedro
16:18.48DocScrutinizeryeah
16:18.51javispedroah
16:18.53javispedrothen it's easy
16:18.56javispedrodpkg -S /file
16:18.56DocScrutinizerof course all installed pkgs
16:19.32DocScrutinizerIroN900:~# dpkg -S `which sudo`
16:19.33DocScrutinizersudo: /usr/bin/sudo
16:21.40ErwinJungeDocScrutinizer: Can't test for you right now, in reflashing
16:21.48ErwinJunges/in//
16:22.11ErwinJungeAh, you got what I meant :)
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16:24.44DocScrutinizerapt-cache policy $(dpkg -S $(which sudo)|cut -d: -f1)
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16:25.10DocScrutinizergives a proper Installed: 1:1.6.8p12-4osso22+0m5 500 https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com ./ Packages
16:29.44DocScrutinizerjavispedro: thanks :-)
16:29.57javispedronp
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16:30.27DocScrutinizerjavispedro: what's your size in ls -l `which sudo` ?
16:31.00javispedro90040
16:31.06DocScrutinizero.O
16:31.33javispedrofremantle pr1.3, mdate Apr 17 2009
16:31.49DocScrutinizerlol, yeah, that's same on all systems it seems
16:33.03DocScrutinizerIroN900:~# busybox ls -l `which sudo`
16:33.05DocScrutinizer-rwsr-xr-x    2 root     root        91584 Apr 17  2009 /usr/bin/sudo
16:35.40ErwinJungephew, phone still lives. Flashing anything (phone, bios, anything) always leads to a high-stress situation for me. I'm just very scared to brick stuff.
16:36.31ErwinJungeAfter it finally finishes booting for the first time, I'll tell you what sudo looks like on a fresh pr1.3 system
16:38.01DocScrutinizer:-D \o/
16:38.04DocScrutinizerthanks
16:38.53ErwinJunge-rwsr-xr-x    2 root     root         90040 Apr 17  2009 /usr/bin/sudo
16:38.59bindiuh huh, can you change the user agent of the opera browser?
16:39.04DocScrutinizermeawhile: http://paste.debian.net/129227/
16:39.07bindimobile youtube not giving me all videos..
16:39.08ErwinJungeI.e. your sudo is the one that's different
16:39.22DocScrutinizerdang
16:40.32ErwinJungeHm... wtf. It says it can't find my sim card...
16:40.37Sicelocould these differences be firmware related?
16:41.03DocScrutinizerErwinJunge: would you mind following the steps as of http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools >># fix NOPASSWD for root / sudo gainroot
16:41.11Sicelowhat's way to force re-install of sudo? i have backed everything up now
16:41.25DocScrutinizerand see if it asks for a root password for you, on sudo gainroot
16:41.45ErwinJungeSicelo: There's nothing wrong with your sudo. It's exactly the same size and date as the freshly flashed edition.
16:42.04bindihow do I get flash for the opera mini D:
16:42.30ErwinJungeI'm starting to think I might have damaged something a while ago when I accidentaly dropped the phone... Could that cause the missing sim?
16:42.43DocScrutinizeryes, indeed
16:43.04ErwinJungeCrap
16:44.04ErwinJungeFixable?
16:44.24SiceloDocScrutinizer: the instructions on your page worked fine for me initially. i got the password request on sudo gainroot. it changed afterwards
16:44.33DocScrutinizerdepends, usually not. Though there's a lot of reasons why it can tell "SIM not found"
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16:45.19DocScrutinizerSicelo: when did you download your firmware image?
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16:46.01DocScrutinizercould it be Nokia sneaking in with a modified version of sudo binary some point in time in the past?
16:46.33DocScrutinizerobviously it's not the first time they silently change the firmware image
16:46.57ErwinJungeDocScrutinizer: Mine is dated 2010-11-04
16:47.08trumeeDocScrutinizer: i like the rsync script on your webpage. You sync your fs with computer everyday?
16:47.20DocScrutinizeryep
16:47.28Sicelowonders if apt-get install sudo won't make matter worse :/[A[A[A[Aman-db-pages: /opt/man/man8/sudoedit.8.gz
16:47.30DocScrutinizerI hope it does ;-)
16:47.30ErwinJungeI didn't redownload today since the version number didn't change (I checked the nokia website)
16:48.10trumeeDocScrutinizer: backup if the device is stolen?
16:48.11Sicelodownloaded July 4, same day i bought my n900 :P
16:48.26DocScrutinizertrumee: more like if it breaks
16:48.27Sicelosorry for the spam just now :-s
16:49.14javispedroheh
16:49.24javispedroTI MetaWatch might be shipping already
16:49.32ErwinJungeDocScrutinizer: I was assuming the missing sim had been a software issue. It's one of the reasons I decided to reflash.
16:50.04trumeeDocScrutinizer: cool. Did you ever try opensync with contacts?
16:50.36trumeeDocScrutinizer: with Kontact/kaddressbook.
16:50.49DocScrutinizerjavispedro: I'm lost - we see two filesizes for Sudo version 1.6.8p12, and we see two different behaviours regarding asking for password, and both are not related
16:51.02DocScrutinizertrumee: I gave up on that :-/
16:51.18javispedroDocScrutinizer: well, the answer here is "reflash the nonworking one"
16:51.35trumeeDocScrutinizer: ah, good to know you did try. Opensync refused to talk to N900?
16:52.03DocScrutinizerwhich is what ErwinJunge just did, and seems the filesize didn't change and still is not the filesize of my sudo which still works as supposed
16:52.30javispedrowhat's the failure?
16:52.35DocScrutinizertrumee: it was such a mess I have even forgotton about details
16:53.40trumeeDocScrutinizer: my bug report was set as invalid :(, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10023
16:53.42povbot04Bug 10023: OpenSync/Syncml fails on N900
16:54.05DocScrutinizerjavispedro: [2011-09-10 16:02:28] <Sicelo> if only i could figure out why i can't set password to be required for root again
16:54.48trumeeOpensync guys have been stuck with code for a very long time
16:55.07javispedroI wouldn't play much with sudo config either way
16:55.11javispedrochances for a reboot loop are giant
16:55.30DocScrutinizerjavispedro: we checked Sicelo's setup is identical to mine, as of http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools
16:55.53DocScrutinizer[2011-09-10 18:44:24] <Sicelo> DocScrutinizer: the instructions on your page worked fine for me initially. i got the password request on sudo gainroot. it changed afterwards
16:56.30DocScrutinizeronly thing that seems to differ is filesize of sudo binary
16:57.33DocScrutinizerjavispedro: this should tickle your spider senses and signal there's sth completely fishy, no?
16:58.55Sicelojust been checking irc logs... http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2011-07-19.log.html#t2011-07-19T01:38:20
16:59.11Siceloat that point in time, it worked as expected
17:00.15ErwinJungeDocScrutinizer: You can update your page btw, 8192 confirmed to work as size for /home
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17:00.55xmltvare there any EPG / TV guides available for N900?
17:00.58ErwinJungeRelated to that, you still need to remove the possibly faulty 28G claim
17:07.01DocScrutinizerErwinJunge: done. thanks
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17:31.53DocScrutinizer*sigh* - could somebody else than Sicelo check if http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tool §# fix NOPASSWD for root / sudo gainroot   will work for them, please? And then report here, together with a copy of ls -l `which sudo`  output
17:33.26DocScrutinizerif you're reluctant than even a report of  >> ls -l `which sudo`  << showing a different filesize than 90040 would be fine
17:33.48ErwinJungeDocScrutinizer: Sorry still working on it. Wanted to clean up my phone first.
17:34.12ErwinJungeGot openssh installed now, so will go and try it
17:34.19DocScrutinizerErwinJunge: thanks, mate :-)
17:34.54DocScrutinizernevertheless some more contributions highly appreciated, so we could finnaly see a pattern
17:36.25DocScrutinizerI could imagine sth like SSU keeping "old" sudo binary when updating to 1.3 while flashing the 1.3 image installs that 90040-file
17:37.00xmltvanyone have Interest in say, port of ontv or like? :)
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17:37.29DocScrutinizerooh he's back
17:37.32DocScrutinizer:-)
17:37.41ErwinJungexmltv: What?
17:37.58DocScrutinizer[2011-09-10 19:00:55] <xmltv> are there any EPG / TV guides available for N900?
17:38.35DocScrutinizerjavispedro:
17:38.38DocScrutinizerI could imagine sth like SSU keeping "old" sudo binary when updating to 1.3 while flashing the 1.3 image installs that 90040-file
17:39.10javispedrothat's why I suggested flashing =)
17:39.25DocScrutinizerto break my working sudo? ;-P
17:39.27javispedroor fs is broken, or ..
17:39.41javispedroI'm still not sure what's broken or working
17:40.03ErwinJungepassword was asked for
17:40.08DocScrutinizermy sudo works as expected, asks for password on "root" and "sudo gainroot"
17:40.13ErwinJungeAnd root given after correct pass
17:40.17xmltvim just thinking, each time my pc aint alive, i miss having my notifications for series coming up
17:40.40xmltvnobody have a magazine with tv airing-listings lying by the remote no more hehe
17:40.47javispedroand you want to remove asking for the password, or you want to make it ask for a password?
17:41.11DocScrutinizerof course we want to make it ask for password XD
17:41.14xmltvhonestly, on the phone?
17:41.27xmltvshouldnt have a sudoers environment..
17:41.31ErwinJungeDocScrutinizer: In summary, it works on reflash. Filesize still 90040
17:41.35javispedroDocScrutinizer: not that obvious, imho it's stupid thing to do
17:41.44javispedroeither way check for NOPASSWD in sudoers as that's the default
17:41.53DocScrutinizerErwinJunge: works for you, filesize 90040 ??
17:42.06RST38hxmltv: Furthermore, few people watch TV any more
17:42.16xmltvrst38h hehe
17:42.22RST38hWhich reminds me...
17:42.25ErwinJungexmltv: not interest here, I d/l everything
17:42.36Siceloit worked for me with that filesize too. i just don't understand what could have changed it
17:42.39ErwinJungeDocScrutinizer: Yup. It asks for pass, filesize 90040
17:42.46xmltvwell, xmltv usage is also meant for say, digital channels
17:42.47ErwinJungeThe plot thickens
17:43.10merlin1991I had sudo that didn't ask for pw some time ago
17:43.14merlin1991(before a reflash)
17:43.22DocScrutinizerthen WTF is wrong with that filesize? And - completely unrelated - WTF is wrong with Sicelo 's setup/system?
17:43.25RST38hevil
17:43.32merlin1991but iirc then it wasn't like that on the original flash came with something
17:43.53ErwinJungeDocScrutinizer: Specifically, wtf is wrong with YOUR filesize
17:43.56RST38hmhm, no, the elves have not digitized the latest DrWho yet.
17:44.03ErwinJungeSince I'm convinced that 90040 is the correct one
17:44.08DocScrutinizerErwinJunge: or that, yes :-D
17:44.35Sicelobut size has nothing to do with this particular behaviour, that's obvious
17:44.40ErwinJunge90040 is the size of the file immediately after reflash
17:44.55ErwinJungeFirst thing I did was ls -l `which sudo`
17:45.01xmltvecho "user ALL=NOPASSWD: ALL" >> /etc/sudoers
17:45.08DocScrutinizeranyway I got that 91584 on TWO devices, one of them never got updated since 1.2 days
17:45.21DocScrutinizerxmltv: BZZZZZ wrong
17:45.35xmltvthats default way
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17:45.45DocScrutinizerthat's not maemo way though
17:45.48Sicelonow wonders if he doesn't have extra space or something in his /etc/sudoers.d/01sudo
17:45.59xmltvlol
17:46.10DocScrutinizerxmltv: default way to fsckup your system on maemo
17:46.15ErwinJungeMaybe it's a difference in image? I use the global edition.
17:46.58DocScrutinizersame here
17:47.01xmltvi wouldnt mess with it anyways, having a sudo env on a portable hackable aint safe :p
17:47.39merlin1991whatabout sudo gainroot, and all the "win" it brings? :D
17:47.45DocScrutinizerIroN900:~# sysinfo-tool -g /device/sw-release-ver
17:47.47DocScrutinizerRX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_MR0
17:48.03ErwinJunge8GB of app space feels so enormously liberating. Why didn't Nokia do that as the default?
17:48.15ErwinJungeThat's the same version
17:48.27ErwinJungeSo that's not the cause either
17:48.32DocScrutinizerxmltv: merlin1991: sorry you both lost me
17:48.55DocScrutinizerErwinJunge: SSU vs. flashing img
17:49.19DocScrutinizerI guess my sudo binaries are both pre-1.3
17:49.32merlin1991DocScrutinizer: "having a sudo env on a portable hackable aint safe", I was saying that rootsh basically brings the same mayhem
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17:49.53merlin1991but still is considered the good solution to start hacking
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17:50.43DocScrutinizermerlin1991: yes, we are all aware that un+-installing rootsh will kill the "security" introduced by my # fix NOPASSWD for root / sudo gainroot  "hack"
17:50.57xmltvhang on doc, let me open my tablet and give u details on how i did it
17:51.15DocScrutinizerxmltv: honestly, not needed. But thanks
17:51.33xmltvargh, i was hacked and someone called 'shutdown -h now' on my root prompt...
17:51.49xmltvah.. no, just needs the electrical outlet charger :p
17:52.00javispedroeither way, my personal config is to leave all sudoers as defaults, do not isntall rootsh (so gainroot is a nop), and install an extra file that allows sudo -s to work (without password, my personal preference)
17:52.43DocScrutinizerwell, that's basically what rootsh does as well
17:53.14javispedroseemingly badly
17:53.28DocScrutinizerwhy?
17:53.38javispedrobecause it's not working =)
17:53.43DocScrutinizerEH??
17:53.44javispedroand I doubt it's an issue with the sudo binary itself
17:53.52DocScrutinizerrootsh works
17:53.56DocScrutinizerever did
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17:54.18javispedro's still not sure what kind of problem you have then..
17:54.23DocScrutinizerobviously I completely missed to state my point (once again)
17:54.32javispedroeither way, have to go again, sorry.
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17:55.04xmltva workaround; add to .bashrc: alias soho="ssh root@localhost", create id_rsa.pub (ssh-keygen) as user, do "cat id_rsa.pub > /root/.ssh/authorized_keys2"
17:55.06DocScrutinizerjavispedro: Sicelo tried to follow what I adviced in # fix NOPASSWD for root / sudo gainroot  in http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools, and it didn't work for him
17:55.14DocScrutinizerdang
17:56.05DocScrutinizerSicelo: your idea about hidden chars in 01sudo is a good thinking
17:56.28DocScrutinizerxmltv: WHAT?
17:56.51strangrwhen i try to deploy an app that uses QtMultimediaKit 1.2 i get the error module “QtMultimediaKit” is not installed import QtMultimediaKit 1.2 ^
17:57.02strangrI have already installed the package libqtm-12 on the device using apt-get
17:57.12xmltvthats how i gain root, running ssh server and connecting myself to localhost as root user
17:57.15strangrmaemo5 freemantle pr1.3
17:57.27DocScrutinizerso what's wrong with rootsh?
17:57.27strangrsomeone please help
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17:57.52strangrcode is here http://developer.qt.nokia.com/forums/viewthread/9586/
17:58.09Siceloby the way, how do i get vi or nano to show if there are spaces or other characters?
17:58.14DocScrutinizerseems yu all lost the thread some hours ago, except Sicelo, ErwinJunge and me
17:58.48DocScrutinizerSicelo: err, not at all?
17:59.03DocScrutinizeryou can spot them by moving the cursor
17:59.39xmltvstrangr the deployed app is .py?
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17:59.53strangrnope
18:00.05DocScrutinizerSicelo: uninstall rootsh, reinstall rootsh, do again:
18:00.08DocScrutinizersed -e "s/Defaults env_reset/Defaults env_reset\nDefaults targetpw/;\
18:00.10DocScrutinizer<PROTECTED>
18:00.11DocScrutinizer<PROTECTED>
18:00.13DocScrutinizer<PROTECTED>
18:00.14DocScrutinizerupdate-sudoers
18:00.22strangrxmltv no
18:00.28xmltv'import QTMuti..' comes from what exactly then?
18:00.37strangrQML
18:00.45strangrlibqtm-12
18:01.12strangrQtQuick
18:02.30DocScrutinizerSicelo: maybe you *missed* a space, e.g on ALL = PASSWD:
18:02.58strangrxmltv its QML
18:03.07DocScrutinizercould easily result in "ALL =PASSWD:" the way I've broken up the lines
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18:04.38DocScrutinizerponders deploying proper script files for download, rather than these froggin wiki <pre>foo passages</pre>
18:04.46xmltvstrangr aye, dont know much about that tbh... however 'import' is looking for library along a path LD_LIBRARY_PATH (and perhaps something similar toQML_LIB_PATH)
18:05.47xmltvstrangr since your installed library most likely is an extras-devel, your tablet may not know where it is located (prefix could be /usr/local?)
18:05.48strangr<xmltv> see in main.cpp I have the line  viewer.setMainQmlFile(QLatin1String("qml/xyz/main.qml"));
18:06.05strangrsorry
18:06.17strangrviewer.engine()->addImportPath(QString("/home/opt/qtm12/imports"));
18:06.17fralsrun the binary with QML_IMPORT_TRACE=1 and you can see where it searches for the imports, make sure libqtm-12 installs files in the correct dirs
18:06.57strangr<frals> viewer.engine()->addImportPath(QString("/home/opt/qtm12/imports"));
18:07.01ErwinJungeDocScrutinizer: Considering these things are mostly "best practice" anyways, how about integrating with CSSU?
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18:07.21DocScrutinizererr, well...
18:07.30strangr<frals> wont that add the directory into  wherever it searches imports
18:07.42strangr?
18:07.42Sicelohttp://pastebin.com/h97r1JsX
18:07.47fralsi would assume so, but double check with import trace...
18:07.53DocScrutinizerseems nobody would like to get default PASSWD: in sudo gainroot with CSSU
18:08.05ErwinJungeI do :)
18:08.17strangr<frals> fine will do that
18:08.22ErwinJungeAnd it *is* best practice
18:08.56DocScrutinizerhmm, javispedro was all of a different notion
18:09.41xmltvstrangr win-win for you is to locate the library path yourself, then call binary with LD_LIBRARY_PATH=<LOCATED_PATH>:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH <executable binary>
18:09.48DocScrutinizerand indeed a password that's broken that easily is of questionable benefit except to stop sysadmin friend who 'borrow' your phone while you're peeing
18:10.45ErwinJungeScripts that users download that kill the system by simply calling "root" and then do evil?
18:10.53strangr<xmltv> thanks
18:10.56DocScrutinizeryou'd at very least add password protection for HAM as well
18:11.31ErwinJungeI'm assuming QA would get evil stuff out of the repos
18:11.40DocScrutinizerErwinJunge: you can do same by downloading a package with a rogue postinstall script
18:11.57DocScrutinizer(QA) BWAHAHAHA
18:12.02ErwinJungeThat's not caught by the auto QA?
18:12.11ErwinJungeThen what's the point of the QA procedure at all? :)
18:12.20ErwinJungeDinner now, afk
18:12.27DocScrutinizerafk here as well
18:12.35DocScrutinizergood luck Sicelo
18:13.38Sicelothanks for your efforts :)
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18:40.54DocScrutinizernotices exposing qualities of a bull terrier, this 90040 vs 91584 issue eats my tranquility
18:41.26DocScrutinizerIOW it drives me mad
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18:41.47DocScrutinizerI see me flashing PR1.2 in a few hours :-S
18:42.45DocScrutinizeranybody around who updated to PR1.3 via SSU and definitely never flashed since then?
18:43.11derfI'm still on 1.2.
18:43.19DocScrutinizerif there's anybody, please paste result of >> ls -l `which sudo` <<
18:43.26DocScrutinizerderf: \o/
18:43.30DocScrutinizermy hero :-)
18:44.24RST38hMoo, derf
18:44.48RST38hThe conservative lobby of #maemo
18:45.05nox-91584 Apr 17  2009
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18:45.15DocScrutinizer\o/
18:45.20GeneralAntillesderf, CSSU.
18:45.34DocScrutinizerI was RIGHT, RIGHT right right righ...
18:45.41nox-(1.3 upgraded from 1.2 over wifi)
18:45.53derf-rwsr-xr-x    2 root     root        91584 Apr 17  2009 /usr/bin/sudo
18:46.16DocScrutinizer:-)))))
18:46.23DocScrutinizerso another miracle solved
18:46.33nox-what was the issue?
18:46.51DocScrutinizerusers that flashed 1.3 have filesize 90040
18:46.55nox-oh
18:47.54RST38hAnd why is it a problem?
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18:48.04DocScrutinizerbecause
18:48.26RST38hBTW, Ovi Store appears to only allow one mobile phone
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19:07.03strangr<xmltv>got rid of that error
19:07.32xmltvstrangr awesome :)
19:07.57strangr<xmltv> had to move the set import statement above the statement that loads the qml
19:08.22strangr<xmltv> but now i m gettin something worse
19:08.33strangrCameraBin error: "Internal GStreamer error: negotiation problem.
19:08.43strangrCamera error: "Internal GStreamer error: negotiation problem.
19:08.49strangrCamera state changed: QCamera::UnloadedState
19:08.52strangr???
19:09.57strangr<xmltv> any ideas?
19:11.18xmltvafraid im clueless when it comes to gstreamer.. seems like youre missing gstreamer plugin for camera allthought i find that hard to believe
19:12.26SiceloCSSU?
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19:14.02xmltvapt-get install gstreamer0.10-plugins-camera => allready newest version right?
19:15.18strangrneed to check that
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19:15.27ErwinJungeDocScrutinizer: Congrats on solving one of the great mysteries of our time :)
19:15.31ErwinJungeSicelo: CSSU what?
19:15.45DocScrutinizerheh :-D
19:16.34ErwinJungeNow to figure out what the difference is and why it's not updated with the SSU ;)
19:18.47ErwinJungeAnyways, I'm off. Byebye all
19:23.07strangrxmltv thanks neway
19:23.09strangr:)
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19:24.04strangrxmltv i'll check gstreamer plugins.. i must be having the latest versions to my knowledge
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19:28.14angelox|laptopDocScrutninzer: doing charge.sh ...
19:29.09angelox|laptoprunning*
19:30.35angelox|laptopi only don't find i2cset
19:30.59angelox|laptopcan't *
19:34.18NIN101i2cset is in i2c-tools iirc
19:35.06angelox|laptopE: Couldn't find package 12c-tools
19:35.14angelox|laptops/12c/i2c/
19:35.43angelox|laptopi need compile them i think
19:37.53merlin1991nah they are in the devel repos for sure
19:37.55merlin1991hen depends on them
19:38.36merlin1991here we go: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/i2c-tools/3.0.2-1maemo3/
19:40.33angelox|laptopthanks
19:41.17DocScrutinizerangelox|laptop: you can install them from extras-devel
19:41.26DocScrutinizerooh
19:41.37DocScrutinizermerlin1991 said that it seems
19:42.39DocScrutinizerangelox|laptop: btw bq.tgz of ShadowJK  comes with i2c* as well
19:43.18DocScrutinizeralas I guess each method installes them elsewhere, so you might have to edit some paths
19:43.46angelox|laptopok
19:43.53angelox|laptopi'm running charger
19:43.56angelox|laptopcharger.sh
19:44.01angelox|laptopwhat would you like to know?
19:44.11DocScrutinizeranyway i2ctools are in bq.tgz same location you found charge.sh.txt
19:44.23angelox|laptopStatus: 0x90
19:44.24DocScrutinizerdoes it chage? ;-D
19:44.30DocScrutinizerlooks rather good
19:44.47angelox|laptopbut Battery level stills in 0%
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19:45.11DocScrutinizerpaste full output of one minute charger.sh, as well as bq27200.sh
19:45.41DocScrutinizermeh, it won't jump to 100% in 30s ;-D
19:45.54DocScrutinizerit's the current that counts
19:46.04angelox|laptop:)
19:46.05angelox|laptopok
19:46.08angelox|laptoplet me restart
19:46.18DocScrutinizerdoes it flow into or out of battery
19:46.40DocScrutinizeropen one shell running bq27200.sh 5
19:46.54DocScrutinizeropen another after that, and run charger there
19:47.10angelox|laptopyes,but i need add > /path/for/some/file/
19:47.13angelox|laptop:)
19:47.26angelox|laptopor install openssh
19:48.30DocScrutinizerbtw first you need to `stop bme`
19:48.39angelox|laptopoh
19:48.48angelox|laptopdidn't know
19:48.53DocScrutinizercharger.sh conflicts with bme
19:49.21DocScrutinizerI just checked if charger.sh takes care about it - it doesn't
19:49.49DocScrutinizerso issue `stop bme` before starting with connecting charger
19:50.00DocScrutinizerthen start bq27200.sh
19:50.06DocScrutinizerthen start charger.sh
19:50.17angelox|laptopok
19:50.18DocScrutinizerthen post the outputs of both
19:50.25angelox|laptopone minute sir :)
19:52.09DocScrutinizeractually you could start bq27200.sh even before stopping bme
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19:52.19DocScrutinizerdoesn't hurt and gives more info
19:52.42DocScrutinizerjust in case you hadn't started the whole procedure yet
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19:53.58angelox|laptopthen 0x90 looks good?
19:54.06DocScrutinizerso the sequence is: start bq27200, stop bme, connect charger, start charge.sh
19:54.12Palihello
19:54.35Palican somebody help me with osso-abook and telepathy libraries?
19:54.52DocScrutinizerif [ $STATUS == 0x10 ] || [ $STATUS == 0x90 ] ; then         MODE="CHARGING"
19:55.22DocScrutinizerecho $(date) "standby -> CHARGING. Current available capacity: " $NAC "mAh" >> /home/user/MyDocs/charger.log
19:55.45angelox|laptophttp://pastebin.com/zT3tg6Yu
19:56.01angelox|laptophttp://pastebin.com/3L247Rad
19:56.34angelox|laptopthen start bme?
19:56.47angelox|laptopthere's a solid orange light now
19:58.10DocScrutinizerthis all looks very very strange
19:58.21angelox|laptopi know :(
19:58.47angelox|laptopshould i strike my phone at the wall? :)
19:58.50DocScrutinizerI'd prefer to see what's actually going on input/cmd side as well
19:59.49angelox|laptopthat's what i did: http://pastebin.com/aXVDL4UW
20:00.23angelox|laptopand this with some accidents http://pastebin.com/jZnRjLN8
20:00.54angelox|laptopshould i start bme again? i don't know anything about it
20:02.13DocScrutinizerplease reboot the phone, then run bq27200.sh for some minutes and paste
20:02.21DocScrutinizerwithout charger connected
20:02.27angelox|laptopwith the charger?
20:02.28angelox|laptopah o
20:02.29angelox|laptopok*
20:02.46DocScrutinizerto be precise run bq27200 and after some defined time connect charger
20:02.56angelox|laptopok
20:03.19DocScrutinizermake a mark in the bq27200 output on when charger got connected
20:03.29angelox|laptopof course
20:03.32DocScrutinizerrun both situations for at least one minute
20:03.38DocScrutinizerwith screen dim
20:03.41DocScrutinizervia ssh
20:03.47angelox|laptopscreen dim?
20:03.52DocScrutinizerlocked
20:03.55DocScrutinizerdark
20:03.57angelox|laptopah ok
20:03.59angelox|laptopsorry
20:04.09DocScrutinizernp
20:04.44DocScrutinizerthis one line mentioning >450mA draft from battery scares me
20:05.05angelox|laptopthe battery currently is weak
20:05.22DocScrutinizerwell, yeah it's ~3.700V
20:05.28angelox|laptopjust ./bq27200.sh  ? or ./bq27200.sh 5 ?
20:05.32DocScrutinizer5
20:05.34angelox|laptopok
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20:08.21angelox|laptophttp://pastebin.com/x0yA0Byj
20:09.36DocScrutinizerangelox|laptop: powerkernel?
20:09.42angelox|laptopNope
20:09.53angelox|laptopi just can't understand why negative values
20:10.00DocScrutinizerlsmod|grep bq
20:10.27DocScrutinizerangelox|laptop: negative values are discharge current
20:10.46DocScrutinizerit discharges faster after charger connected :-P
20:11.09angelox|laptophmm
20:11.19angelox|laptoplsmod|grep bq doesn't returns anything
20:11.33DocScrutinizernow keep bq27200.sh 5 running
20:11.40DocScrutinizerstop bme
20:11.50DocScrutinizerstart charge.sh
20:12.12DocScrutinizerpaste the output of bq again, mark where you've done what
20:12.50angelox|laptopwops
20:13.03angelox|laptopnow i'm not sure when i have done the things :(
20:13.09angelox|laptopi did everything on the run
20:13.12DocScrutinizernp
20:13.24DocScrutinizerI'll be able to tell from the logs (I hope)
20:14.14angelox|laptopi'd like to meter if the battery pins are receiving current,but i don't know how leave the phone powered on without battery
20:14.16DocScrutinizerbtw keep all running
20:14.29DocScrutinizeryou can't
20:15.55angelox|laptopsome time: http://pastebin.com/t2J18pV2 | http://pastebin.com/ugASAmX0 | http://pastebin.com/6yMB1wWW |
20:16.04angelox|laptopi don't know if the last one is important
20:16.10ShadowJKwow that old charge.sh
20:18.10DocScrutinizerangelox|laptop: you're sure your charger is OK? looks like it'd provide just some 4.x Volt
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20:19.06angelox|laptophow can i check it? :(
20:19.11angelox|laptopanother phone it chargers i think
20:19.12ShadowJK0x90 is kinda strange, typically you'd see 0x10 if wallcharger=1
20:19.28DocScrutinizeryour phone detects there's a charger connected, it also detects it delivers voltage to vbus and has D+- short
20:19.35DocScrutinizerbut it doesn't charge
20:20.07DocScrutinizeryeah. sth id odd
20:20.34angelox|laptopi did check in the shop,new battery really costs expansive,just imagine a new charger :(
20:21.19ShadowJKwere those ./bq27200.sh readings taken with screen on or off? Stock kernel or kernel-power?
20:21.38angelox|laptopstock|off
20:21.41DocScrutinizerno PK, screen off
20:22.00angelox|laptopis going to shot his N900 to wall
20:22.19DocScrutinizerbetter ask Nokia for a repair on warranty
20:22.21ShadowJKthe current draw is consistent with screen off, usb on, charger off. Which is damn strange, since charger thinks it's charging
20:22.39DocScrutinizerShadowJK: exactly
20:22.58DocScrutinizermight happen when wallwart-charger voltage is way too low
20:23.11angelox|laptopDocScrutinizer: i've already sent my phone 2 times
20:23.27DocScrutinizerthough I'd think bq24150 should detect volt-low or supply-bad or sth thn
20:23.37angelox|laptopDocScrutinizer: unfortunately they don't do ANYTHING. The phone fakely charges,so they thinks it's ok
20:23.48DocScrutinizeridiots
20:23.52angelox|laptopyes
20:24.00angelox|laptopfirst time: we've updated your software
20:24.09bindisecond time: enjoy your E7
20:24.10bindilol
20:24.13DocScrutinizertell them you want it back with battery CHARGED by the phone
20:24.21angelox|laptopsecound time: we have changed your battery
20:24.59DocScrutinizeranyway, first check your wallcharger
20:25.04DocScrutinizeruse another charger
20:25.09SpeedEvilWhat's the current on what happens if you submit your n900 for repair, and request a n900 as a replacemet?
20:26.00angelox|laptopSpeedEvil: i don't know how to ask that, they see the CHARGING BAR moving,they say "It's working"
20:26.08angelox|laptopfrustrating :(
20:26.16DocScrutinizerangelox|laptop: try same procedure as before, but this time with your PC as power source
20:27.01DocScrutinizerangelox|laptop: tell them you only take it back when they CHARGED your empty battery to 100% *with the phone*
20:27.03ShadowJKalso, the usb phy has a signal line to bq24150, which goes active after charger detection and charger=1, and makes the status 0x10 instead of 0x90
20:27.37DocScrutinizerwill take them 4h to sit the phone on some desk until they notice it switched down with empty battery despite "charging"
20:27.52ShadowJKSo this would indicate a break, and since bq24150 thinks it's charging, the current has to go somewhere
20:28.36ShadowJKThough I'd also try reetart charge21.sh
20:29.01DocScrutinizererr, this won't change any of the problems
20:29.23ShadowJKnope, but version 21 has soft-start ;-)
20:29.35DocScrutinizeronly complicates things
20:30.21angelox|laptopDocScrutinizer: another problem: the warranty is at 20km~ (IIRC) from my home
20:30.21DocScrutinizerI'd really think the wallwart is maybe bonkers
20:30.28ShadowJKmm
20:30.32ShadowJKcat /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-1/1-0048/twl4030_usb/vbus
20:30.41ShadowJKor have you gone through that
20:30.47DocScrutinizernot yet
20:30.52angelox|laptopis booting his n900 to test again from PC charging
20:31.17DocScrutinizerhands over the mic to ShadowJK
20:31.21ShadowJKnah
20:31.27DocScrutinizero/
20:31.35ShadowJKI'm watching a western on tv
20:31.38ShadowJKJane Fonda
20:32.26angelox|laptopDocScrutinizer: what should i do with it connected to PC? just the bq27200?
20:33.14ShadowJKthat's a good start
20:33.23angelox|laptopbme stoppedd ?
20:33.25angelox|laptopstopped*
20:33.31ShadowJKalways has bq27200 running in an xterm
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20:34.34ShadowJKbq27200 can be run with bme both started and stopped. I'd try with bme started first
20:34.58angelox|laptopok
20:35.08angelox|laptopbut it stills discharging
20:35.10angelox|laptop10:55 3660 0    0    -185 0    0    0    65535 0     33  0
20:35.11DocScrutinizerthen stop it and start charger.sh
20:36.24ShadowJKOut of curiosity, does usb mass storage work?
20:36.25angelox|laptopThat's not a sw problem
20:36.32angelox|laptopShadowJK: yes
20:36.53angelox|laptopeven PR1.2 didn't work
20:37.52Sicelo0.o how have u been surviving all this time?
20:37.56angelox|laptophttp://pastebin.com/Ye1piGuh | http://pastebin.com/3TwY47dM
20:38.06ShadowJKThis is very strange, because if it was simple broken between charger chip and battery, charge chip would give an error..
20:39.07DocScrutinizerI suspect some component of bq24150 broken
20:39.13angelox|laptopyes,the current from charging is comming,and going to some(magic)where,and it is not the battery
20:39.24angelox|laptops/charging/charger/
20:39.37DocScrutinizerthere's no current coming from charging
20:39.59DocScrutinizerand it's obviously not going anywhere
20:40.20angelox|laptopdid you see my last pastebins ?
20:40.29angelox|laptopkind of strange
20:40.52DocScrutinizeryou could test if booston can provide 5V to USB connector, but you'd need a h-e-n F-F-USB-adapter to actually find out, I guess
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20:42.46DocScrutinizerwell, your battery is shortly going to shutdown the system on low voltage
20:43.01DocScrutinizererr, your system is shutting down on low battery voltage
20:43.06angelox|laptopyes
20:43.19angelox|laptopthen,actually what can i do about my phone?
20:43.27DocScrutinizerit evidently doesn't charge no matter what you do
20:43.36DocScrutinizersend in for repair
20:43.38angelox|laptop'll send his phone to USA,or any other country,they(warranty shop) shouldn't be so stupid like in Brazil
20:43.40trumeeis there any utility to chkdsk N900 FAT partition?
20:44.10DocScrutinizer~bm
20:44.10infobotfrom memory, backupmenu is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975
20:45.35angelox|laptopDocScrutinizer, for some *really magic* way,it charged a bit when i was trying meego
20:45.50DocScrutinizerShadowJK: ponder this: L1140 defect
20:46.01angelox|laptopbut i'm not sure if it charged while dd'ing for the eMMC or when it was booted up
20:46.03ShadowJKhm
20:46.30DocScrutinizeror C1141
20:46.58ShadowJKbut if current through its sense resistor drops below 50 it'd terminate as ... oh it wouldn't if voltage was too low on output
20:47.41DocScrutinizerbooston is the tool to check
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20:48.09angelox|laptopwhat is booston?
20:48.28angelox|laptop~booston
20:48.33angelox|laptop:(
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20:49.56Sicelo/usr/sbin/booston , at least if u have h-e-n
20:50.11fizzieWas *so* tempted to say "it's a ciity in Maassachusetts".
20:50.24angelox|laptoplol
20:50.44angelox|laptopi haven't no more h-e-n since my device has been flashed 10~ times
20:51.51DocScrutinizerhttp://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1023402&postcount=821
20:52.26DocScrutinizerangelox|laptop: use that script
20:52.52angelox|laptoplol         4) errortext2="Battery OVP - WTF are you doing?";;
20:53.05DocScrutinizerwatch out, the attachment is not the script ;-)
20:53.14angelox|laptopi see
20:53.25angelox|laptopbut i'm not sure if i have enough power for the test
20:55.29DocScrutinizer--> 03) "battery too low, VBUS shut off"
20:55.42angelox|laptopshould i use it with(out) the charger?
20:55.50DocScrutinizerwithout!
20:55.56angelox|laptopok
20:56.12DocScrutinizerit's meant to power the USB internally ;-)
20:56.21angelox|laptopwow
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20:56.30DocScrutinizeryou need to shut down BME for it to work
20:57.06DocScrutinizerooh actually it takes care
20:57.36angelox|laptopbooston.sh: line 25: dbus-send=/usr/bin/run-standalone.sh /usr/bin/dbus-send: not found
20:58.16DocScrutinizererrr
20:58.16angelox|laptopthat's sh booston.sh
20:58.21angelox|laptopjust ./booston.sh does: -sh: ./booston.sh: Permission denied
20:58.41DocScrutinizerchmod a+x ./booston.sh
20:58.55angelox|laptopsame
20:59.01angelox|laptopbooston.sh: line 25: dbus-send=/usr/bin/run-standalone.sh /usr/bin/dbus-send: not found
20:59.23DocScrutinizerumm
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20:59.44angelox|laptopsorry,bad GDM
20:59.55angelox|laptopdid i miss something after my last message?
21:00.26DocScrutinizerno
21:00.40DocScrutinizerjust wondering if your booston.sh looks like it should
21:02.01angelox|laptopi'll pastebin and download the raw patch
21:02.07angelox|laptopraw file*
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21:04.22angelox|laptopcan you upload it somewhere? stills don't working
21:04.27angelox|laptopand if i install h-e-n?
21:06.52DocScrutinizerget http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/sbin/booston
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21:08.18angelox|laptop./booston: line 25: dbus-send=/usr/bin/run-standalone.sh /usr/bin/dbus-send: not found
21:08.19angelox|laptop<PROTECTED>
21:11.10bindihow can I make blessn900 open instead of the default one when camera lense is opened?
21:11.20DocScrutinizersorry I dunno what this error suggests
21:11.33Siceloi get that error too :/
21:11.35DocScrutinizerit's obviously missing the " of the original
21:11.45angelox|laptopbtw,about the warranty shop i went,there were about 3 tickets in a reclain website about the same SHOP,same PROBLEM,same PHONE :(
21:12.08DocScrutinizert900:~# which run-standalone.sh
21:12.09DocScrutinizer/usr/bin/run-standalone.sh
21:12.34DocScrutinizert900:~# which dbus-send
21:12.36DocScrutinizer/usr/bin/dbus-send
21:13.00angelox|laptopNokia-N900:~# which run-standalone.sh
21:13.00angelox|laptop/usr/bin/run-standalone.sh
21:13.00angelox|laptopNokia-N900:~# which dbus-send        
21:13.00angelox|laptop/usr/bin/dbus-send
21:13.00angelox|laptopNokia-N900:~#
21:13.04DocScrutinizerbtw I uploaded a bugfixed version
21:13.19DocScrutinizerit misssed a line for i2cget :-o
21:16.13DocScrutinizerdang
21:16.31DocScrutinizerthere's sth odd with my shell scripting foo
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21:17.45angelox|laptopi'll turn my device off
21:18.35angelox|laptopThere's any *stable* release of MeeGo for N900? I think maybe it charge,since strangely it charged my device
21:19.16bindibah.. cant change the font of desktop command execution widget
21:19.22DocScrutinizerI uploaded another fixed version
21:19.35DocScrutinizerembarrassing
21:19.58DocScrutinizerwonders how this ever could've worked on his t900
21:20.49bindiwhat's the difference between BMe and BME alternative
21:20.53bindilooking at pybattery settings
21:21.35DocScrutinizer??
21:21.52DocScrutinizerwhat is pybattery?
21:22.07bindihttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=24905
21:22.13DocScrutinizermeh
21:22.20DocScrutinizero/ cya all
21:22.32bindibut I had another question :(
21:22.37bindihow do I make blessn900 the default app
21:22.50bindioh hello
21:22.56bindigoogling is actually working
21:29.12bindiumm
21:29.21bindii installed camera lens launcher and set the preferred application to blessn900
21:29.26bindiguess what happens when i open the cover
21:29.28bindinothing
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