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| 06:11.58 | xkr47 | hello |
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| 06:12.25 | xkr47 | if backup&restore fails to import my old sms:es, could I just copy-paste the ~/.rtcom-eventloggers/ subdirectory and that'd be it ? |
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| 06:46.49 | chem|st | xkr47: usualy yes but never tried that, with backup&restore you mean the "is-shipped-with" backup program? |
| 06:46.58 | xkr47 | yes |
| 06:47.08 | xkr47 | it just gives unknown error, tried several times |
| 06:47.42 | xkr47 | I wonder if there is some non-standard communications app that is not installed in the target device, and the restore fails to handle that situation properly |
| 06:47.52 | xkr47 | but I'm just guessing wildly because I don't know |
| 06:48.10 | xkr47 | I'm now reading http://wiki.maemo.org/Manual_backup_and_restore to see if I could understand things a bit better, or manually restore stuff |
| 06:49.05 | xkr47 | are there other files related to sms:es than the rtcom-eventloggers tree ? |
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| 06:51.06 | chem|st | honestly I don't know! |
| 06:51.08 | chem|st | BUT |
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| 06:51.43 | chem|st | I had a similar problem and afair it fixed itself by installing the other things to the device |
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| 06:55.18 | xkr47 | ok thx |
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| 06:55.39 | xkr47 | there was some python-gobject package that couldn't be restored as part of restore process, and several apps depended on that |
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| 06:56.28 | chem|st | afaik there is no python IM I use... |
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| 07:01.09 | xkr47 | I have "witter" |
| 07:01.21 | xkr47 | maybe I could uninstall it in the source device and make a new backup also |
| 07:01.45 | xkr47 | hmm, apt-get install python-gobject says it's already installed |
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| 07:04.57 | chem|st | xkr47: you flashed? |
| 07:05.10 | xkr47 | I have two n900:s |
| 07:05.15 | xkr47 | and I need to give my old one away |
| 07:05.21 | chem|st | ah |
| 07:05.36 | chem|st | got to run! |
| 07:05.39 | xkr47 | but now, it seems these python-gobject apps are installing fine |
| 07:05.40 | xkr47 | thx cu |
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| 07:07.20 | chem|st | wrong alert, was just the postboy |
| 07:09.28 | chem|st | what I do is: fresh flashed device, recover backup, fire up HAM with only standard repos install from backuprestore function, activate one repo at a time to install the more from extras or e-testing to not have all things pulled in from e-devel (aka b-devil) |
| 07:09.50 | chem|st | and everything works fine apart from my contacts usualy messed up |
| 07:10.15 | chem|st | and I do nothing before that realy nothing ahead |
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| 07:50.31 | khertan | Morning |
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| 07:55.49 | neal | What's the right way to "top" an application in Maemo 5? |
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| 07:57.19 | khertan | top ? |
| 07:57.26 | khertan | increase priority ? |
| 07:57.31 | khertan | man nice |
| 07:58.12 | neal | khertan: I mean something like "osso_application_top" |
| 07:58.58 | neal | https://maemo.gitorious.org/maemo-af/libosso/blobs/bb8f89019ada172fbbdf949aa9a13491c0281b14/src/osso-application-top.c |
| 07:59.59 | neal | khertan: Basically, I know an application is running and is "minimized" and I want it to "get the focus" |
| 08:03.51 | khertan | neal: use the raise() method of QtMainWindows |
| 08:04.20 | neal | khertan: I'll take a look, thanks |
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| 09:46.49 | crashanddie | 'sup Maemo |
| 09:47.24 | SpeedEvil | Same ol'. |
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| 10:07.17 | eichi | pyMaemo seems to be nice for developing applications |
| 10:07.37 | eichi | and the best thing ist, I can develop on the device itself ;) I like that |
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| 11:06.12 | Evanescence | how to format N900 card, my card does not support. |
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| 11:15.45 | andre__ | Evanescence, can you elaborate? |
| 11:15.46 | BCMM | Evanescence: are you talking about the filesystem on a microSD? |
| 11:16.14 | Evanescence | BCMM: yes, some problem aout superblock |
| 11:16.25 | BCMM | slightly vague problem there... |
| 11:16.32 | BCMM | what filesystem is currently on the card? |
| 11:17.06 | Evanescence | BCMM: I have tried to format with FAT32 ext3 ext4, none of them can work |
| 11:17.13 | BCMM | what error do you get? |
| 11:17.33 | BCMM | (also, i somewhat doubt that there is ext4 support in the stock kernel) |
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| 11:18.53 | Evanescence | BCMM: anyway, I want to know to detail steps of formatting a MicroSD crad. |
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| 11:19.23 | BCMM | Evanescence: i would just do mkfs.vfat /dev/sdX |
| 11:19.31 | BCMM | or you could even format it from the device itself |
| 11:19.56 | BCMM | i don't own any uSD cards, so I don't know what the /dev/ node is for it |
| 11:20.03 | Evanescence | BCMM: like mkfs.vfat /dev/sdd ? or /dev/sdd1 ? |
| 11:20.21 | BCMM | depends if you want a full-card FS or to partition it |
| 11:20.37 | Evanescence | BCMM: I see, |
| 11:20.51 | BCMM | i believe non-partitioned is normal |
| 11:23.08 | BCMM | Evanescence: on a linux desktop, mkfs.vfat /dev/sdd should do it |
| 11:23.08 | BCMM | Evanescence: of course, check that /dev/sdd is your SD card and not your hard drive |
| 11:23.08 | BCMM | on the n900, i'm afraid I don't know where the SD card is - does /dev/mmc1 exist? |
| 11:23.08 | ruskie | mmcblk1 iirc |
| 11:23.08 | Evanescence | BCMM: yes, I am formatting, then check after plug it back on N900 |
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| 11:27.04 | Evanescence | BCMM: not support still |
| 11:27.12 | BCMM | Evanescence: anything in dmesg? |
| 11:27.21 | BCMM | also, were you able to mount the card on another machine? |
| 11:27.40 | Evanescence | BCMM: I can mount on my linux |
| 11:27.53 | BCMM | ok. what do you see in dmesg when you put the card in? |
| 11:29.17 | Evanescence | BCMM: no message about card |
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| 11:30.22 | BCMM | Evanescence: do you have a /dev/mmcblk1 device? |
| 11:31.13 | Evanescence | BCMM: yes |
| 11:31.29 | BCMM | Evanescence: odd. sure it /dev/mmcblk1 and not just /dev/mmcblk0? |
| 11:31.53 | Evanescence | BCMM: two are under /dev |
| 11:31.53 | BCMM | just to confirm, you have tried putting the back cover back on the phone, right? it doesn't mount the filesystem until you close the case. |
| 11:32.52 | Evanescence | BCMM: I shoutdown Maemo, get out card, format on computer linux, then plug on card, start system. |
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| 11:33.04 | BCMM | yes, but did you close the case? |
| 11:33.36 | BCMM | iirc, you do not need to shut down the n900. it automatically unmounts the SD when you take the back cover off, and mounts it again when you close the cover |
| 11:33.50 | BCMM | (i don't know what it does if the device is busy when you open the back) |
| 11:33.54 | Evanescence | BCMM: what case ? |
| 11:34.11 | Evanescence | BCMM: no, I have not open anything |
| 11:34.12 | BCMM | the black plastic shell of the n900 |
| 11:34.41 | BCMM | the n900 is able to detect whether the back panel (the bit with the lens cover and kickstand on it) is attached or not |
| 11:35.07 | Evanescence | I understand now |
| 11:37.09 | Evanescence | BCMM: just mmc0: cover is open and slid is open, no card info on dmesg |
| 11:37.24 | BCMM | what is "slid"? |
| 11:38.01 | Evanescence | BCMM: sorry, slide |
| 11:38.27 | BCMM | so there is no /dev/mmcblk1 device? |
| 11:38.31 | Evanescence | now card is not available |
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| 11:38.54 | Evanescence | yes |
| 11:42.40 | BCMM | are you sure the card holder is closed properly? |
| 11:42.51 | Evanescence | BCMM: yes, checked |
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| 12:20.23 | jiero | hi, guys, is there a way to fix Google Talk/XMPP video call? |
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| 12:36.35 | VonDurden | is maemo better than symbian? |
| 12:36.47 | RST38h | No. Maemo is Linux and Linux is crap. |
| 12:37.12 | obcecado | oh really ? |
| 12:37.13 | jiero | nvm, I never used Symbian before, N900 is my first phone. |
| 12:37.26 | VonDurden | i wondered about maeom because its linux |
| 12:37.45 | VonDurden | and iw as wondering can i compile stuff and run linux programs from maeom |
| 12:38.19 | Gh0sty | RST38h: troll :P |
| 12:38.25 | RST38h | You can, that is why it is worse than Symbian! |
| 12:38.35 | RST38h | everyone can compile crap on it |
| 12:38.46 | VonDurden | so why is it worse? |
| 12:38.50 | VonDurden | what do you mean |
| 12:38.51 | RST38h | unsafe, unlike Symbian where your assets are firmly protected |
| 12:38.59 | jiero | RST38h: right, and run python program directly on N900 |
| 12:39.17 | Gh0sty | /!\ DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS /!\ |
| 12:39.27 | maybeHere | so uhm... i kinda killed my n900 by mistaking it for a stress relief ball |
| 12:39.29 | VonDurden | but does shit like wine run on your n900 too? |
| 12:39.39 | Gh0sty | wait what? |
| 12:39.41 | Gh0sty | wine? |
| 12:39.42 | Gh0sty | why? |
| 12:39.50 | Gh0sty | you want to run windows games on n900? :p |
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| 12:39.56 | VonDurden | no just curious |
| 12:40.01 | VonDurden | about the processor |
| 12:40.12 | maybeHere | wine won't run on anything that isn't x86 iirc |
| 12:40.42 | Gh0sty | you first need to run qemu :p |
| 12:40.52 | Gh0sty | to virtualise a x86 |
| 12:40.53 | SpeedEvil | And wine + qemu may be slow. |
| 12:40.53 | VonDurden | aaa |
| 12:41.05 | Gh0sty | should be evil |
| 12:41.17 | maybeHere | wasn't there that java x86 emulator thingy |
| 12:41.21 | Gh0sty | running qemu with win 98 on n900 :p |
| 12:41.26 | maybeHere | (you'd need a java runtime first though) |
| 12:42.34 | VonDurden | for the of the n900: can you see movies in your phone from an external hard drive unlikr in symbian? |
| 12:43.00 | jiero | anybody help me to video call on gtalk"? |
| 12:43.06 | jiero | or XMPP? |
| 12:43.26 | maybeHere | any idea if i should even bother contacting nokia if i crushed the display of my n900...? |
| 12:43.32 | BCMM | maybeHere: wine can be used with user-mode processor emulation (qemu). slow, but works |
| 12:43.50 | BCMM | (as opposed to emulating an entire windows OS) |
| 12:45.10 | SpeedEvil | maybeHere: you can still get spare parts - adn I understand nokia can do repairs - as long as they don't require to swap the moterboard. |
| 12:45.29 | VonDurden | i have an external usb hard drive, if i wanna see a movie in my symbian i have to use my laptop to move the movie into my phone, can the n900 maemo directly be connected to the hard drive? |
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| 12:47.23 | SpeedEvil | Sort-of. |
| 12:47.38 | SpeedEvil | It can't power it, so you will need a cable with a power adaptor. |
| 12:47.49 | SpeedEvil | Perhaps a powered hub |
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| 12:47.55 | SpeedEvil | And the appropriate cable |
| 12:48.51 | VonDurden | so if the hd has the power cable itself it should work with no problems? |
| 12:49.10 | SpeedEvil | Yes |
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| 12:49.16 | SpeedEvil | With the hostmode things. |
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| 12:52.18 | maybeHere | SpeedEvil: ah, nice. guess i'll at least let them give me a quote on the repairs before switching to the dark side of the force :/ |
| 12:53.05 | jiero | any Idea of video call on N900 except Skype? |
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| 14:41.27 | DocScrutinizer | jiero: SIP |
| 14:42.08 | jiero | DocScrutinizer: OK. I don't know how to configure it though. |
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| 16:04.22 | slonopotamus_ | nice, n900 kiler: https://github.com/torvalds/linux/graphs/impact |
| 16:05.45 | RST38h | slono: ? |
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| 16:05.57 | slonopotamus | RST38h: open it with n900 :) |
| 16:06.14 | RST38h | ah, it actually killed a desktop Firefox on Win7 |
| 16:06.27 | slonopotamus | mwahaha |
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| 16:06.45 | slonopotamus | n900 reboots :) |
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| 16:10.06 | obcecado | well i cannot run the script on that page, on any hw i have near me |
| 16:13.32 | hiemanshu | its running for me, I think |
| 16:13.47 | hiemanshu | nope |
| 16:13.51 | hiemanshu | lol, that page is stuck |
| 16:15.48 | slonopotamus | btw, that's weird that a single misbehaving page leads to such destroy |
| 16:22.13 | ErwinJunge | chromium on ubuntu 10.10 reports unresponsiveness neatly. No crashing of any kind :) |
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| 16:25.44 | hiemanshu | yeah, no crashing here either, one thing about chromium, seperate processes for each tab :) |
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| 16:48.41 | newbie007 | hi, is it possible or can someone direct me to installing hildon-desktop on to a intel pc? |
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| 17:10.16 | kevin_b | newbie, hildon as far as I know, is a arm desktop |
| 17:10.25 | kevin_b | I guess you have to use Scratchbox |
| 17:10.39 | kevin_b | for executing it on your x86 makina |
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| 17:37.25 | xnt14 | Why doesn't mobilehotspot ever work? it just caused my N900 to kernel panic... |
| 17:41.54 | hiemanshu | works for me |
| 17:42.46 | xnt14 | kernel-power 48 just screwed up rtcomm... getting the same sms multiple times. ugh... |
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| 17:51.13 | an0therb0x | is ther a method to migrate messages/conversations to an android device ? |
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| 18:07.17 | newbie007 | kevin_b: thanks I'll check into that. What is makina ? |
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| 18:12.05 | newbie007 | actually I think hildon does exist for intel / amd there is a gnome website for it.. |
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| 18:34.58 | RST38h | Meanwhile: private-enterprise prisons have recognized that providing inmates with cable television can be a more economical method to keep them quiet and subdued than it would be to hire more guards |
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| 18:57.38 | x29a | RST38h: television, the new opium for the people |
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| 19:18.41 | RST38h | A new operating system called Cosmo has been developed, written entirely in C#. |
| 19:18.53 | RST38h | (so, where do they get CLR from???) |
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| 20:14.23 | newbie007 | an OS in C# is going to be crap slow |
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| 20:14.56 | newbie007 | in theroy perhaps useful for learning |
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| 20:34.01 | vi__ | so i called nokia about my n8 replacment |
| 20:34.11 | vi__ | got an e7 now |
| 20:34.25 | vi__ | except they forgot to take away the n8 |
| 20:34.30 | vi__ | now i have both |
| 20:34.51 | vi__ | damn the e7 looks hot |
| 20:35.04 | vi__ | if only it had a real OS innit |
| 20:36.34 | hiemanshu | lol |
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| 21:09.10 | Shapeshifter | http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#Disconnect_internet what's the difference/relevance between ICD2 and ICD? |
| 21:09.19 | Shapeshifter | which do I need if I want it to work always |
| 21:14.01 | DocScrutinizer | vi__: haha |
| 21:20.55 | javispedro | recovering that topic of smartwatches, |
| 21:21.03 | javispedro | I am now considering the InPulse, which I mentioned too |
| 21:21.16 | javispedro | basicallhttp://www.getinpulse.com/ |
| 21:21.18 | javispedro | er.. |
| 21:21.19 | javispedro | http://www.getinpulse.com/ |
| 21:21.27 | javispedro | $149, and OLED |
| 21:21.51 | javispedro | the thing is that on the forum some say that having a permantent but small HH:MM text on the OLED _always on_ makes the battery last around 20h aka 1 day |
| 21:22.20 | javispedro | a potentially interesting price to pay for having color oled.. |
| 21:23.02 | SpeedEvil | Indeed. |
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| 21:23.27 | SpeedEvil | Black and white LCD is about it for watch-class battery life |
| 21:23.33 | SpeedEvil | probably not even graphical. |
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| 21:23.46 | javispedro | yeah, that's what makes TI's metawatch interesting |
| 21:23.57 | javispedro | but still.. |
| 21:24.36 | DocScrutinizer | the OLED thing is not meant to stay on |
| 21:24.58 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: evidently. but the thing above is the same trick the N9 does. |
| 21:25.05 | DocScrutinizer | producing light eats lots of power, no matter how you do it |
| 21:25.19 | javispedro | small pixel count = less power. |
| 21:25.27 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: the N9 has a HUGE battery compared to a wrist watch |
| 21:25.54 | DocScrutinizer | like 20 times the capacity |
| 21:26.03 | javispedro | evidently |
| 21:26.08 | javispedro | too :) |
| 21:26.36 | vi__ | why is today noob day? |
| 21:26.37 | javispedro | but in case you want to have _something_ always on and still have reasonable battery life.. |
| 21:26.47 | DocScrutinizer | a wrist watch with permanent display wants to use LCD |
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| 21:27.00 | javispedro | and color screen ;) |
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| 21:27.08 | SpeedEvil | Or eink |
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| 21:27.14 | javispedro | SpeedEvil++ |
| 21:27.14 | MohammadAG | sup maemoers |
| 21:27.25 | javispedro | sadly, eink-on-a-watch seems to be +$1000 yet. |
| 21:27.26 | vi__ | javispedro: do not forget the primary function of a watch is to indicate the time at a glace |
| 21:27.48 | javispedro | vi__: a $5 chinese watch would work finely for that |
| 21:27.48 | Atarii | anyone got KP48 and hildon-desktop portrait mode working? |
| 21:27.52 | javispedro | hello MohammadAG |
| 21:28.05 | vi__ | javispedro: any watch that does not last ATLEAST a month without running out of power is gay and pointless |
| 21:28.35 | vi__ | MohammadAG: hay champ |
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| 21:28.51 | javispedro | vi__: so, how would you call watchless people? übergay? |
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| 21:29.48 | vi__ | javispedro: obviously |
| 21:29.56 | mzanetti | Hi. Since the latest update of the QtSDK creating a package spits out this error again: Can't exec "debian/rules" |
| 21:30.06 | mzanetti | I have made sure rules is executable |
| 21:30.28 | vi__ | perhaps the rules are in the wrong place? |
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| 21:31.17 | vi__ | what is the best n900 email client? |
| 21:31.18 | mzanetti | hmmm... I didn't change the source of my project... its still in qtc_packaging/debian_fremantle/rules and its copied to the build dir debian/rules |
| 21:31.55 | DocScrutinizer | not carrying any watch != carrying a useless watch |
| 21:32.20 | DocScrutinizer | 1st is maybe cool, 2nd is extremely silly |
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| 21:34.11 | DocScrutinizer | what's the difference between somebody without any mobile phone, and somebody carrying a mobile phone dummy? ;-D |
| 21:35.41 | Shapeshifter | ha |
| 21:35.45 | Shapeshifter | I managed to crash my n900 |
| 21:35.48 | Shapeshifter | how did that happen |
| 21:35.57 | DocScrutinizer | crash? |
| 21:36.00 | Shapeshifter | I closed a terminal and immediately after tapped the task switcher |
| 21:36.20 | Shapeshifter | well it seems like hildon-desktop crashed since the bar at the top was all garbled and a moment later it rebooted |
| 21:36.30 | DocScrutinizer | meh, that just happens |
| 21:36.52 | Shapeshifter | fail |
| 21:36.52 | MohammadAG | <3 dsmetool |
| 21:37.02 | DocScrutinizer | hehehe |
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| 21:38.30 | DocScrutinizer | seems not even TI can guarantee DSP/GFXaccel always running flawlessly. So when hw-accelerated rendering crashes on X-server aka hildon-desktop, a reboot will ensue |
| 21:39.22 | Shapeshifter | I'm not impressed |
| 21:39.42 | DocScrutinizer | I know times back when x-server crashed on my desktop as well |
| 21:39.43 | Shapeshifter | if hildon-desktop actually segfaults because of a hardware fault it should just respawn |
| 21:40.31 | DocScrutinizer | well, maemo is massively x-server centric. It'd be hard to respawn x-server and not make it look like a reboot anyway |
| 21:40.41 | Shapeshifter | :< |
| 21:42.02 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: these are Imagination Tech, not TI |
| 21:42.25 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: but TI are idiots too =) |
| 21:42.51 | javispedro | has been getting bounces from virtually every my.TI support account I've tried, silence from the others |
| 21:43.39 | javispedro | Only one answer, which said something like " Dear $MY_FULLNAME, please complete your account registration. Required fields: Your fullname. <End of email>." |
| 21:43.58 | javispedro | so I replied with $MY_FULLNAME, and got a bounce. |
| 21:44.06 | DocScrutinizer | LOL |
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| 23:43.24 | javispedro | ah well |
| 23:43.32 | javispedro | hp is splitting palm again into hardware and software |
| 23:44.03 | javispedro | for those that don't know, what is currently known as "palm" is already the hardware branch of the result of palm splitting into hardware and software years ago. |
| 23:44.19 | Robot101 | there's a definite irony |
| 23:44.22 | x29a | even harder hardware then? |
| 23:45.19 | javispedro | so hard it's virtually nonexistant :) |
| 23:55.47 | tank-man | i still have my handspring visor :) |
| 23:57.28 | tank-man | still usable as a universal remote with its ir port |
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| 23:58.03 | javispedro | I find it amazing that the palmos watches are still selling in the â¬200 range |