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| 01:45.18 | smhar | is there any maps system for N900 that supports turn by turn and voice ? |
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| 01:56.29 | dungeon_archl | smhar: 3 of them mod***. a modified OVI |
| 01:56.41 | dungeon_archl | smhar: and another I forgot |
| 01:57.07 | smhar | good news, thanks dungeon_archl |
| 01:57.36 | dungeon_archl | modrana is the name of the app |
| 01:57.47 | dungeon_archl | wonder if cloudgps works. |
| 01:58.17 | nox- | smhar, also monav |
| 01:58.26 | nox- | http://monav.openstreetmap.de/ |
| 02:01.18 | smhar | can they be used offline? |
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| 02:01.45 | smhar | or do I need to be connected all the time? |
| 02:03.36 | dungeon_archl | smhar: you can try them, I used mappro not requiring connection but it have no voice - or I cannot find it |
| 02:04.24 | smhar | I will try them as soon as I get my replacement N900, I can not wait :-) |
| 02:05.56 | nox- | monav works offline |
| 02:07.02 | nox- | monav uses openstreetmap data tho which is not very complete in some places |
| 02:07.23 | nox- | (or very complete in others :) |
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| 02:11.23 | dungeon_archl | what else map can these community-made apps use? Only openstreetmap... |
| 02:12.01 | nox- | some can use googlemap tiles but i think not for routing... |
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| 07:50.29 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 07:50.42 | Sicelo | morning Jaffa |
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| 09:41.39 | RST38h | Hehe: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/09/01/google_buys_tax_breaks_along_with_mobility/ |
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| 09:50.35 | xxxxts | Hello |
| 09:50.45 | xxxxts | Anyone here good with Desktop Command Exec Widget? |
| 09:51.04 | xxxxts | I am having a bit of trouble getting it to show the output of a script...? |
| 09:51.06 | andre__ | "good"? :) |
| 09:51.33 | xxxxts | Well personally it confuses the heck outta me... |
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| 09:52.25 | xxxxts | I just need it to display the output of a script, the temp fix script for Power 48 |
| 09:53.19 | xxxxts | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1076672&postcount=1316 |
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| 09:59.22 | DocScrutinizer | lo andre__ |
| 09:59.51 | andre__ | heja |
| 10:00.02 | DocScrutinizer | morning jaffa, konttori |
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| 10:24.54 | xxxxts | hey doc |
| 10:25.04 | xxxxts | can you help me out |
| 10:35.43 | DocScrutinizer | sorry nope, I dunno what I'm talking about |
| 10:37.05 | crashanddie | xxxxts, what do you mean "display the output of a script"? |
| 10:37.26 | xxxxts | I have a script that displays the battery temp |
| 10:37.34 | crashanddie | ShadowJK, please don't use capitals in variable names under bash |
| 10:37.54 | crashanddie | yes, and? |
| 10:37.57 | xxxxts | and i don't know how to make that appear in desktop command widget |
| 10:38.17 | crashanddie | I still don't see a question |
| 10:38.35 | xxxxts | what do i type into DCEW to get the output of the script? |
| 10:38.48 | crashanddie | DCEW? |
| 10:39.03 | xxxxts | deskctop command exec widget |
| 10:39.12 | crashanddie | ./scriptname.sh |
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| 10:39.53 | crashanddie | or rather, if you install scriptname.sh in /usr/local/bin, you can do directly scriptname.sh |
| 10:40.16 | xxxxts | that's what i thought |
| 10:40.18 | xxxxts | let me try agian |
| 10:40.21 | xxxxts | please hold on one sec |
| 10:41.33 | xxxxts | it's in /usr/bin/ |
| 10:41.40 | xxxxts | and i put scriptname.sh |
| 10:41.48 | xxxxts | into the desktop exect widget |
| 10:41.51 | crashanddie | aye |
| 10:41.59 | xxxxts | however it is just displaying the name |
| 10:42.10 | xxxxts | bq27200_temp.sh |
| 10:42.13 | xxxxts | not the temp |
| 10:42.15 | crashanddie | oh |
| 10:42.19 | crashanddie | is it executable? |
| 10:42.21 | xxxxts | when i run it in terminal |
| 10:42.23 | xxxxts | yes it is |
| 10:42.29 | xxxxts | it displays the temp fine |
| 10:42.39 | xxxxts | but i need to be root for soem reason |
| 10:42.48 | crashanddie | so in a shell you can type ba27200_temp.sh |
| 10:42.51 | crashanddie | and it shows the output? |
| 10:43.13 | xxxxts | yes, as root |
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| 10:43.33 | crashanddie | do you have bash installed? |
| 10:43.56 | xxxxts | i'm not sure |
| 10:44.03 | crashanddie | type bash in a shell |
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| 10:44.32 | DocScrutinizer | just notes he knows that's not batery temp but bq27200 chip die temp, but MEH |
| 10:44.37 | xxxxts | user@n900:~$ |
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| 10:44.49 | crashanddie | good, so you have bash |
| 10:45.37 | crashanddie | now, instead of calling the script, how about you just call this: echo "Battery Gauge die Temperature: $(($(./i2cget -y 2 0x55 0x06 w) * 250 / 1000 - 273)) C" |
| 10:46.04 | xxxxts | should i attempt that in termal first |
| 10:46.12 | DocScrutinizer | that at least would make it obvious this is NOT battery temp |
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| 10:47.07 | DocScrutinizer | also it's quite obvious it needs i2cget |
| 10:47.17 | DocScrutinizer | and i2cget needs root perms |
| 10:47.51 | DocScrutinizer | ./i2cget won't prolly fly |
| 10:48.13 | xxxxts | i changed ./i2cget to simply /i2cget |
| 10:48.21 | crashanddie | eh? |
| 10:48.22 | DocScrutinizer | \o/ |
| 10:48.23 | xxxxts | and i2cget is in / |
| 10:48.28 | crashanddie | lol |
| 10:48.32 | crashanddie | that's wrong on so many levels |
| 10:48.33 | RST38h | xxx: really? |
| 10:48.34 | DocScrutinizer | double \o/ |
| 10:48.42 | RST38h | xxx:cool, man |
| 10:49.16 | DocScrutinizer | I'd place i2cget into /var/log/ |
| 10:49.23 | xxxxts | okay |
| 10:49.24 | DocScrutinizer | ;-P |
| 10:49.34 | DocScrutinizer | but I dunno what I'm talking about |
| 10:50.02 | xxxxts | it was having trouble locating i2cget with ./ |
| 10:50.06 | xxxxts | so i just changed it |
| 10:50.34 | xxxxts | it displays the temp perfectly now, however just echo "Battery Gauge die Temperature: $(($(./i2cget -y 2 0x55 0x06 w) * 250 / 1000 - 273)) C" |
| 10:50.37 | xxxxts | gives me |
| 10:50.37 | xxxxts | > |
| 10:51.35 | DocScrutinizer | you're aware I also dunno if your desktop runs under user root? |
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| 10:52.00 | crashanddie | DocScrutinizer, lmao |
| 10:52.16 | DocScrutinizer | meh, I *hate* the general policy of chanops not supposed to use /ignore |
| 10:52.39 | crashanddie | yeah well, suck on it. |
| 10:52.57 | crashanddie | xxxxts, does it work? |
| 10:53.05 | xxxxts | nope |
| 10:53.08 | DocScrutinizer | it can't |
| 10:53.13 | DocScrutinizer | :-P |
| 10:53.21 | crashanddie | [12:50:15] <xxxxts> it displays the temp perfectly now, |
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| 10:53.23 | xxxxts | # bq27200_temp.sh 34 C |
| 10:53.33 | xxxxts | that works |
| 10:53.37 | crashanddie | ok |
| 10:53.37 | DocScrutinizer | id root |
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| 10:53.44 | xxxxts | but when i echo "Battery Gauge die Temperature: $(($(./i2cget -y 2 0x55 0x06 w) * 250 / 1000 - 273)) C" |
| 10:53.47 | xxxxts | i jsut get > |
| 10:53.54 | crashanddie | does su -c work on maemo? |
| 10:54.00 | DocScrutinizer | [2011-09-01 12:47:51] <DocScrutinizer> ./i2cget won't prolly fly |
| 10:54.00 | crashanddie | I don't have a device to test right here |
| 10:54.20 | DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: nah |
| 10:54.28 | DocScrutinizer | sudo |
| 10:54.33 | crashanddie | or sudo gainroot -c "/i2cget -y 2 0x55 0x06 w" |
| 10:54.44 | DocScrutinizer | that's more like it |
| 10:55.20 | xxxxts | i am losing you guys - i am not very advanced to say the least |
| 10:55.23 | DocScrutinizer | hears RST38h falling off his chair from laughing |
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| 10:57.13 | crashanddie | is tempted to write a script that would op/deop DocScrutinizer at the rhythm of an SOS beep |
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| 10:57.30 | DocScrutinizer | oh so how can you state such advanced claims like [2011-08-31 11:51:57] <xxxxts> I obviously came to the wrong place for advice because you obviously don't know what you're talking about |
| 10:58.01 | xxxxts | I believe you are wrong |
| 10:58.14 | xxxxts | I researched the subject, consulted with a few buddies on mine |
| 10:58.15 | DocScrutinizer | fine |
| 10:58.21 | crashanddie | and I believe you're about to get your ass whooped from this channel |
| 10:58.36 | xxxxts | just because you are more addvanced than i am at Linux doesn't mean you are always correct |
| 10:59.18 | xxxxts | but your advice on ali1234 was sound, and thank you. |
| 10:59.33 | DocScrutinizer | meh, I already regret it |
| 10:59.40 | crashanddie | yeah, just ttry nnot tto mmiissppeell words when you're about to school people, yar? |
| 11:00.10 | xxxxts | haha, well i actually spoke with ali1234 prior to you, i just didn't know who he was. |
| 11:00.45 | xxxxts | you gave his advice a lot of validation, i assumed it could be done via boot.scr, i was mistaken |
| 11:01.22 | crashanddie | ok |
| 11:01.24 | xxxxts | and i apologize but i am not a very strong speller. NYU educated, can't spell for the life of me. |
| 11:01.25 | DocScrutinizer | sorry I honestly doubt you even knew ali1234 before I fiast spoke to him, but honestly, this convo is a typical vampire, sucking my time I could spend on better things, so *plonk* |
| 11:01.27 | crashanddie | going to grab some food |
| 11:01.38 | DocScrutinizer | first* |
| 11:01.43 | xxxxts | i have the logs |
| 11:01.46 | xxxxts | they are public |
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| 11:01.49 | xxxxts | TonyS |
| 11:02.06 | xxxxts | #meego |
| 11:02.08 | crashanddie | DocScrutinizer, go ahead, ignore him, i'll take it from here. |
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| 11:03.13 | xxxxts | i don't mean to fight or upset anyone - i am just curious to how to solve the problem i am currently having. |
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| 11:03.33 | xxxxts | and since you guys are much more knowledable on the subject i was hoping you could help me out |
| 11:04.27 | RST38h | xxxxts: any advice you will get here assumes some basic knowledge of how Unix works |
| 11:04.31 | DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: moo |
| 11:04.51 | RST38h | If you have not got that background knowledge, most advice will be useless to you |
| 11:04.53 | DocScrutinizer | oops I said that before, today |
| 11:05.19 | xxxxts | I have a basic understanding of how a lot of things work |
| 11:05.32 | xxxxts | I think I can manage |
| 11:05.51 | xxxxts | i just didn't remember if I installed Bash onto my N900 or not |
| 11:09.29 | FIQ|n900 | try running it :D |
| 11:09.47 | FIQ|n900 | if it doesn't work -- well, it's not installed |
| 11:10.13 | FIQ|n900 | Hmm |
| 11:10.21 | xxxxts | i have bash on here |
| 11:10.30 | xxxxts | i am just not very famuliar with that shell |
| 11:10.59 | RST38h | so what shell are you familiar with? |
| 11:11.32 | FIQ|n900 | This touchbook hysteria resulted in it being 2nd (next to iPad) in that type of tablet.. wouldn't it make sense for commercial devs to try out developing for it? :P |
| 11:11.33 | xxxxts | the shell with the N900, ash |
| 11:11.49 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: cmd |
| 11:11.58 | xxxxts | i believe |
| 11:12.32 | FIQ|n900 | as it has so few apps, but still a large userbase due to... yeah |
| 11:14.07 | Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: baa |
| 11:14.25 | DocScrutinizer | :-) |
| 11:15.37 | RST38h | xxxxts: I do think you should gain a bit more experience with Linux, preferably on a standard desktop system. Maybe read a few articles, you know... |
| 11:15.55 | RST38h | Before you start messing with N900's internals, that is |
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| 11:17.13 | FIQ|n900 | didn't have much experience with Linux pre-N900 |
| 11:17.42 | FIQ|n900 | i didn't even know what "ls" was |
| 11:18.24 | xxxxts | I purchased the N900 the first day it was released, i have contributed a lot to the maemo community |
| 11:18.48 | RST38h | So, what have you contriuted to the maemo community? |
| 11:18.57 | FIQ|n900 | like what? |
| 11:19.12 | FIQ|n900 | is slow as always |
| 11:19.21 | xxxxts | I took part in the python port of QBasic Gorillas to the N900 |
| 11:19.52 | marainein | we need worms |
| 11:19.53 | xxxxts | I figured out a way for SmartCam to retrieve the data |
| 11:20.07 | xxxxts | I never plaid worms |
| 11:20.48 | xxxxts | My user name on talk.maemo is xxxxts, feel free to look me up - I am not exactly a noob |
| 11:20.55 | FIQ|n900 | in what way did you took part in it? :D |
| 11:22.02 | cityLights | btw, any news regarding when I can buy a N900 for 100$? |
| 11:22.33 | xxxxts | I ran it - then others took over to improve it, because of my lack of knowledge in python. |
| 11:23.51 | RST38h | So let me clarify |
| 11:24.15 | DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: RST38h: FIQ|n900: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1053809&postcount=846 - well it is actually quite a bit fuzzy (aah and for those that might have missed, MY nick on tmo is joerg_rw, you're free to look p my contributions, e.g. in the URL quoted <<- over here) |
| 11:24.19 | RST38h | You have run QBasic Gorillas on the N900. And that is your contribution to the community? |
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| 11:25.12 | xxxxts | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=69887 |
| 11:25.16 | DocScrutinizer | but as of xxxxts : [2011-08-31 11:51:57] <xxxxts> I obviously came to the wrong place for advice because you obviously don't know what you're talking about |
| 11:25.49 | xxxxts | Doc - you claimed I could not run uboot and multiboot at the same time. I am. |
| 11:26.07 | DocScrutinizer | I claimed it will conflict |
| 11:26.10 | DocScrutinizer | it does |
| 11:26.15 | xxxxts | It does not |
| 11:26.21 | DocScrutinizer | MEH |
| 11:26.26 | RST38h | sighs |
| 11:26.36 | xxxxts | just as long as you recompile the multiboot kernel with uboot |
| 11:26.45 | RST38h | xxxxts: Maybe you should stick with t.m.o for advice after all. |
| 11:27.03 | RST38h | xxxxts: Very hostile here, smartasses everywhere, you know... |
| 11:27.09 | xxxxts | I am able to boot the MeeGo kernel and NITDroid |
| 11:27.47 | chem|st | RST38h: shutup! |
| 11:27.50 | chem|st | ^^ |
| 11:27.59 | RST38h | chem|st: what? =) |
| 11:28.03 | chem|st | ;) |
| 11:28.09 | DocScrutinizer | hi chem|st |
| 11:28.12 | FIQ|n900 | <marainein> we need worms |
| 11:28.12 | FIQ|n900 | hedgewars! |
| 11:28.12 | FIQ|n900 | catfight |
| 11:28.13 | FIQ|n900 | and xxxxts, what is the point in that? |
| 11:28.14 | chem|st | hi doc |
| 11:28.44 | xxxxts | Well personally, I love the N900 and I love Maemo 5 - best mobile device I have ever had. I have a little more knowledge than some people - thus I would like to go do this: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1079934 |
| 11:29.09 | xxxxts | Thus giving more information to people who are much more clueless than I am. |
| 11:29.23 | xxxxts | So I believe we are all working towards the same goal. |
| 11:29.24 | DocScrutinizer | PLEASE pretty please DO NOT |
| 11:29.36 | chem|st | xxxxts: you are nuts... |
| 11:29.51 | chem|st | the script is giving output "in" the widget! |
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| 11:30.18 | xxxxts | chem|st - please elorbrate? |
| 11:30.37 | DocScrutinizer | chem|st: i2cget needs root perms |
| 11:30.46 | chem|st | xxxxts: the Desktop Command Execution Widget is giving the output of a script |
| 11:31.25 | chem|st | well then "root" the script?! |
| 11:31.39 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h's approach sudo gainroot -c was the only right approach |
| 11:31.49 | FIQ|n900 | managed to get Hedgewars running on N900, but as he lacks developer skills he wrote on tmo what he did (not that much really, just a dirty run of Debian's version of it), hoping for others to see it and become interested and do a proper port of it.. none was D: |
| 11:31.54 | xxxxts | I am able to run the script in root termal |
| 11:32.38 | xxxxts | however I am not able to get DCEW to give me the same output |
| 11:33.02 | DocScrutinizer | chem|st: though a "correct" approach was to add bq27200-bat.sh to etc/sudoers.d/* |
| 11:33.05 | xxxxts | I would assume I just put in the little box bq27200_tmp.sh |
| 11:34.15 | xxxxts | The reason I am doing this is because Power 47 disabled bq27200 tempature readings hence this is the work around: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1076672&postcount=1316 |
| 11:34.21 | DocScrutinizer | s/bat/tmp/ |
| 11:34.33 | xxxxts | I was able to get it running in QueenBee but I perfer DCEW |
| 11:34.36 | chem|st | xxxxts: so much about your "advanced" knowledge^^ |
| 11:35.43 | DocScrutinizer | chem|st: wasn't that you who said just 2 days ago "sometimes I'm urged to shout "STFU and leave it to somebody more savvy to answer"? (OWTTE) |
| 11:36.06 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: some like that yes! |
| 11:36.06 | SpeedEvil | The bq27200 does not produce usable temperature readings of the battery. |
| 11:36.11 | xxxxts | I am much more proficent with linux than many N900 owners, I can see that obviously in the forms - however I am not nearly as knowledable as you fellas. |
| 11:36.17 | SpeedEvil | It's outside the battery, and several millimeters away. |
| 11:36.24 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: I already stated that, several times |
| 11:36.30 | SpeedEvil | ah - missed that. |
| 11:36.35 | xxxxts | Yes, we are all aware |
| 11:36.40 | DocScrutinizer | nobody is interested in that minor detrail |
| 11:36.43 | SpeedEvil | Should probably in principle read backscroll. |
| 11:36.45 | DocScrutinizer | detail aven |
| 11:36.50 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: and s/o was slightly pissed^^ |
| 11:37.00 | xxxxts | I am just using that termonolgy |
| 11:37.43 | DocScrutinizer | btw moo SpeedEvil :-) |
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| 11:38.08 | chem|st | xxxxts: I doubt you are... you might be a GNU superuser... or are willing to become one... |
| 11:39.09 | xxxxts | That's fine - I am not here to debate my level of knowledge, I am here to solve a problem. |
| 11:39.26 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: temp readings are anywhere far from real if build in hardware mm away from the source |
| 11:39.37 | chem|st | xxxxts: solved... |
| 11:40.08 | xxxxts | And since everyone here (including myself) know that you are all FAR MORE ADCANCED than I in this subject I am asking you - what should I put into the DCEW box to make it show me a reading of tempature? |
| 11:40.59 | chem|st | ;) |
| 11:42.47 | chem|st | to get your learning curve extrapolated on to enhancing knowledge... you want to run it as user, maybe with sudo... so get on to the CLI and try to get it working as "user" |
| 11:43.45 | xxxxts | i do not believe i2cget can be ran as user |
| 11:44.12 | crashanddie | that's probably why he's talking about sudo |
| 11:44.17 | crashanddie | something that I offered about an hour ago |
| 11:44.22 | chem|st | crashanddie: moo! |
| 11:44.39 | xxxxts | let me experment... |
| 11:44.53 | chem|st | crashanddie: make him learn... I am close to lmgtfy |
| 11:44.58 | RST38h | Are "GNU superuser" and "cattle herder" the same thing? |
| 11:45.04 | DocScrutinizer | DCEW->setup->add_command->title:"show BS 'battery temp' value"; Command:"sudo gainroot -c bq272300-tmp.sh" |
| 11:45.06 | chem|st | RST38h: some alike |
| 11:45.32 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: NOOOOOOO.... ;) |
| 11:45.58 | DocScrutinizer | chem|st: you know I don't know what I'm talking about ;-P |
| 11:46.14 | xxxxts | GOT IT! |
| 11:46.23 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: was more about "DONT TELL HIM!" |
| 11:46.35 | crashanddie | xxxxts, now scroll back, and find the line where I gave that exact command |
| 11:46.39 | crashanddie | now stfu and gtfo |
| 11:46.40 | DocScrutinizer | couldn't stand it any longer |
| 11:46.45 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: no experience in telling someone |
| 11:46.50 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: I know.... |
| 11:46.59 | xxxxts | No, I understand - I am sorry I am slow on the pickup with Linux |
| 11:47.07 | chem|st | xxxxts: you degraded to $user btw |
| 11:47.25 | crashanddie | s/slow .*/slow/ |
| 11:48.01 | chem|st | crashanddie: don't be mean! |
| 11:48.08 | crashanddie | what? I'm not mean |
| 11:48.13 | crashanddie | The regexes are! |
| 11:48.20 | crashanddie | Don't code perl if you can't HANDLE THE TRUTH! |
| 11:49.01 | chem|st | ! |
| 11:49.19 | DocScrutinizer | what really scares me is ""[2011-08-31 11:51:57] <xxxxts> I obviously came to the wrong place for advice because you obviously don't know what you're talking about"" |
| 11:49.35 | crashanddie | yes, doc, we've seen that |
| 11:49.37 | crashanddie | now just let it be |
| 11:49.46 | chem|st | ~xxxxts is "[2011-08-31 11:51:57] <xxxxts> I obviously came to the wrong place for advice because you obviously don't know what you're talking about" |
| 11:49.46 | infobot | okay, chem|st |
| 11:49.55 | DocScrutinizer | oops nope, my fault |
| 11:50.12 | RST38h | He was right |
| 11:50.25 | DocScrutinizer | this: ""[2011-09-01 13:29:09] <xxxxts> Thus giving more information to people who are much more clueless than I am."" |
| 11:50.27 | RST38h | 50% right, anyway |
| 11:50.49 | chem|st | love both |
| 11:51.39 | DocScrutinizer | ~forget xxxxts |
| 11:51.40 | infobot | i forgot xxxxts, DocScrutinizer |
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| 11:52.26 | DocScrutinizer | sometimes I love her ;-D |
| 11:52.45 | crashanddie | I know I shouldn't say that in here, like that |
| 11:53.00 | chem|st | ~love infobot |
| 11:53.00 | infobot | If you love infobot so much, why don't you marry it? (oooooh) |
| 11:53.05 | xxxxts | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1079934#post1079934 - Haha, thanks guys. |
| 11:53.09 | chem|st | ~marry infobot |
| 11:53.22 | crashanddie | but sometimes I wish my girlfriend would just react the same way when I tell her "tilde forget about <insert something here>" |
| 11:53.24 | DocScrutinizer | ~attack chem|st |
| 11:53.25 | infobot | ACTION grabs a pen, screams like she's possessed, and begins chasing chem|st |
| 11:53.34 | crashanddie | ~rape DocScrutinizer |
| 11:53.34 | infobot | ACTION takes DocScrutinizer behind the WallMart and makes a few grunts and screams |
| 11:54.22 | chem|st | ~trout crashanddie |
| 11:54.22 | infobot | ACTION slaps crashanddie around a bit with a large trout! |
| 11:54.31 | crashanddie | ~nuke ch |
| 11:54.32 | infobot | ACTION prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at ch ... B☢☢M! |
| 11:54.38 | crashanddie | tab pwned :( |
| 11:54.43 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 11:54.54 | crashanddie | I just nuked switzerland, fuck. |
| 11:55.00 | DocScrutinizer | time for 12648430 ☕ |
| 11:55.03 | chem|st | ~hail slaten |
| 11:55.03 | infobot | ACTION bows down to slaten and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" |
| 11:55.25 | DocScrutinizer | wtf is slaten? |
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| 11:55.39 | chem|st | 10 times worldchampion surfer |
| 11:55.46 | DocScrutinizer | aah |
| 11:56.09 | chem|st | if you look for impersonated awesomeness it is him |
| 11:56.32 | crashanddie | karma for DocScrutinizer |
| 11:56.34 | DocScrutinizer | ~sudo make me a coffee |
| 11:56.35 | crashanddie | ~karma for DocScrutinizer |
| 11:56.35 | infobot | for docscrutinizer has neutral karma |
| 11:56.39 | crashanddie | eh? |
| 11:56.43 | crashanddie | ~karma DocScrutinizer |
| 11:56.43 | infobot | docscrutinizer has karma of 2 |
| 11:56.56 | chem|st | ~karma crashanddie |
| 11:56.56 | infobot | crashanddie has neutral karma |
| 11:57.01 | crashanddie | WHAT? NO!!!! |
| 11:57.07 | crashanddie | ~crashanddie-- |
| 11:57.19 | chem|st | ~karma crashanddie |
| 11:57.19 | infobot | crashanddie has neutral karma |
| 11:57.22 | crashanddie | crap |
| 11:57.23 | DocScrutinizer | don't mess with karma please |
| 11:57.29 | crashanddie | Why? |
| 11:57.35 | crashanddie | Because karma's a bitch? <drumroll> |
| 11:57.42 | flux | or it'll come and bite you into ass! |
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| 11:57.50 | DocScrutinizer | it always ruins a channel's S/N *completely* |
| 11:57.50 | crashanddie | bite into the ass? |
| 11:57.53 | xxxxts | I am going to work on my next project in a few hours. I will be back to ask you guys noob questions. |
| 11:58.02 | crashanddie | What kind of euphemism is that? |
| 11:58.18 | DocScrutinizer | OMG |
| 11:58.18 | crashanddie | wait |
| 11:58.25 | crashanddie | that was a "project"? |
| 11:58.38 | xxxxts | no |
| 11:59.01 | chem|st | "work on my next project"..."will be back to ask you guys noob questions" is like you figure out what to give us as new project for you becoming $superuser |
| 11:59.16 | xxxxts | I am just doing little tweaks, the next thing on my agenda is to max out the volume on my N900 on boot |
| 11:59.37 | chem|st | xxxxts: you do not want that |
| 11:59.42 | chem|st | I mean booting... |
| 11:59.50 | xxxxts | vol at 100% why not? |
| 11:59.51 | chem|st | booting is the wrong approach |
| 11:59.57 | crashanddie | Alright partner, keep on trollin' baby, you know what time it is... |
| 12:00.09 | xxxxts | Why is that the wrong approach? |
| 12:01.13 | xxxxts | I like to have my speaker phone, phone, and main volume all at 100% when it is not on silent. |
| 12:01.19 | chem|st | [2]user@cassiopeia|~]uptime |
| 12:01.34 | chem|st | 14:00:58 up 121 days, 1551 |
| 12:01.50 | xxxxts | When my N900 is in my pocket the rocker keys get pressed and since they have portrate and landscape now |
| 12:01.57 | xxxxts | it is a bitch to adjust |
| 12:02.09 | xxxxts | I don't know enough about dbus |
| 12:02.15 | xxxxts | to get it to set like that |
| 12:02.16 | crashanddie | Chocolate starfish, keep on trollin' baby... Now move in and move out, hands up now hands down, back up, back up, tell me whatcha gonna do now! Breath in now breath out, hands up now hands down, back up, back up, tell me whatcha gonna do now... |
| 12:02.27 | crashanddie | Keep trollin', trollin', trollin, trolling (x4) |
| 12:02.56 | chem|st | telll me watcha gonna do when they come for you |
| 12:03.00 | crashanddie | s/breath/breathe/ig |
| 12:03.37 | xxxxts | What would you suggest besides boot, I reboot every 24hrs or so... |
| 12:03.54 | chem|st | xxxxts: for what? draining your battery? |
| 12:04.09 | chem|st | 121 days ago I reset my battery... |
| 12:04.11 | xxxxts | Switching batteries actually |
| 12:04.48 | crashanddie | chem|st, Now I know ya'll be lovin this shite right har, P.I.M.P XTS is right here, people in the chan with them hands in the air, cause if you don't care, then we don't care |
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| 12:06.05 | chem|st | "I'm not afraid!"(tm) |
| 12:10.43 | crashanddie | Did I just get a first post on Slashdot? |
| 12:10.44 | crashanddie | http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/11/09/01/0259212/Sony-To-Sell-3D-Head-Mounted-Display |
| 12:12.13 | RST38h | are you happy about getting a post on Slashdot? |
| 12:12.33 | mujtaba | Maybe that would prevent the 3D headaches |
| 12:12.39 | mujtaba | Or maybe it will make them worse |
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| 12:12.40 | mujtaba | Hmmm |
| 12:13.44 | chem|st | crashanddie: I want HUD on my glasses and not some freaking helmet! |
| 12:14.26 | mujtaba | Neckache FTW |
| 12:14.35 | RST38h | too wimply for a cranial implant? B)~ |
| 12:15.01 | crashanddie | RST38h, I'm happy about getting my second ever first post on /.! |
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| 12:15.24 | RST38h | crashanddie: you think being happy about posting to /. is a good thing? |
| 12:15.48 | chem|st | RST38h: there is guy with a cam-eyeball doing documentary stuff for deus ex(tm) and others... |
| 12:16.10 | RST38h | yea, but it is not connected to his brain unfortunately |
| 12:16.18 | crashanddie | RST38h, sure, why not? |
| 12:16.28 | crashanddie | RST38h, hey, I'll take any moment of happiness I can ;) |
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| 12:16.56 | mujtaba | But the question is |
| 12:16.59 | mujtaba | WILL IT BLEND? |
| 12:17.10 | Sicelo | xxxxts: should be able to change battery without reboot... these same guys here made it possible ;) |
| 12:17.28 | chem|st | mujtaba: yes it will! |
| 12:18.15 | chem|st | RST38h: that will come too |
| 12:18.24 | RST38h | Japanese have just got soe good dope: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/space/8734456/Dominos-plans-pizza-on-the-Moon.html |
| 12:18.28 | chem|st | RST38h: it is actually possible already |
| 12:18.33 | RST38h | s/soe/some |
| 12:19.56 | RST38h | yea, albeit with low resolution |
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| 12:20.25 | chem|st | who cares about resolution? see something! |
| 12:20.34 | RST38h | like...a black spot? |
| 12:20.43 | RST38h | a gray spot maybe? |
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| 12:25.57 | kevin_b | Hello Arm hackzor |
| 12:26.12 | kevin_b | I'm trying to build Qt on device :p |
| 12:26.17 | crashanddie | why? |
| 12:26.20 | kevin_b | actually I just want the doc |
| 12:26.25 | crashanddie | Is it noob day? |
| 12:26.27 | kevin_b | I want to make a pocket qt-assistant |
| 12:26.30 | kevin_b | :) |
| 12:27.37 | kevin_b | anyway, ./configure just return 'Don't seem you have make or gmake' |
| 12:27.57 | kevin_b | though I do, it's a qole SDK image chrootedd |
| 12:28.11 | kevin_b | dunt understand |
| 12:28.36 | chem|st | crashanddie: \o/ noob day \o/ |
| 12:28.52 | *** mode/#maemo [+o crashanddie] by ChanServ |
| 12:28.58 | *** topic/#maemo by crashanddie -> It's noob day! Welcome to #maemo http://maemo.org/intro/ | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council | Source: http://wiki.maemo.org/Sources | Chanlog: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog |
| 12:29.03 | *** mode/#maemo [-o crashanddie] by crashanddie |
| 12:29.36 | chem|st | NO where is the GTFO for nitdroid stuff? |
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| 12:32.33 | DocScrutinizer | chem|st: javispedro thought it might be worth nuking it |
| 12:33.49 | DocScrutinizer | then 3 days later there was xxxxts, with "why doesn't uBoot boot my meego I changed to coexist with multiboot and andridiot? HPL PLZ!!1!1!" |
| 12:33.50 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: ? |
| 12:34.51 | DocScrutinizer | I survived #maemo and all I got was |
| 12:34.56 | DocScrutinizer | ~maemo-multiboot |
| 12:34.56 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, maemo-multiboot is deprecated, and a horrible hack. PROBLEMS WITH NITDROID/MULTIBOOT? reflash rootfs&kernel aka COMBINED |
| 12:35.45 | crashanddie | tbh, when in amsterdam for the maemo summit, when Quim started handing out the t-shirts to the QA/bugs guys? |
| 12:35.57 | crashanddie | with the "fixed in fremantle" on it? |
| 12:36.12 | crashanddie | I wanted to go out and print another t-shirt: |
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| 12:36.24 | crashanddie | "I helped Nokia fix their OS and all I got was this shite t-shirt" |
| 12:36.37 | DocScrutinizer | 2011-08-28 04:43:14 DocScrutinizer sets topic to.... |
| 12:36.50 | chem|st | crashanddie: you got a t-shirt too? |
| 12:37.07 | crashanddie | Nein |
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| 12:38.33 | chem|st | I got a suite up ovi shirt for alpha testing ovi suite |
| 12:38.55 | crashanddie | But then again, the t-shirt was nice |
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| 12:39.10 | crashanddie | lcuk had his finger butchered at Nokia HQ |
| 12:39.30 | crashanddie | "We'll give you a touch-driven device, but we'll take your finger in exchange." |
| 12:39.43 | chem|st | hehe |
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| 12:40.33 | RST38h | not butchered, augmented |
| 12:41.10 | RST38h | they installed their patented happiness generator there, so lcuk only needs to suck on his finger to get happy now! |
| 12:41.35 | crashanddie | I'd have it installed somewhere else |
| 12:41.49 | crashanddie | "C'mon hon, just do it and we'll both feel happy" |
| 12:41.57 | RST38h | crashanddie: wouldn't it be awfully difficult to reach though? |
| 12:42.15 | crashanddie | that's the whole point, I wouldn't be reaching for it :P |
| 12:42.18 | lcuk | i only notice my finger now when making a coffee |
| 12:42.37 | crashanddie | your finger is able to produce coffee? |
| 12:42.40 | crashanddie | That's an odd side effect |
| 12:42.53 | lcuk | no but picking up the sugar jar is noticable |
| 12:43.21 | lcuk | otherwise having a stylus implanted was a good thing |
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| 12:44.03 | DocScrutinizer | just noticed PR1.2 HAM is completely fscked up now |
| 12:44.20 | RST38h | *just* noticed? |
| 12:44.31 | DocScrutinizer | well, *completely* |
| 12:44.43 | RST38h | I stopped using it, too slow |
| 12:44.52 | RST38h | especially after moving indices to the sd card |
| 12:45.00 | RST38h | not sd, mmc, sorry |
| 12:45.36 | lcuk | RST38h, compounded by -devel repositories including every build ever |
| 12:46.53 | RST38h | that too |
| 12:47.03 | RST38h | But X-Fade is the person to take care of this |
| 12:47.16 | RST38h | I wonder why he is not cleaning things up |
| 12:47.46 | lcuk | probably because he is very busy |
| 12:47.47 | DocScrutinizer | start HAM [checking for updates... (takes 5min)], clicking on "downloads" [checking for updates... (takes 5min)], clicking on "all" [checking for updates... (takes 5min)], select "search" from menu, add a search string, click "OK" [checking for updates... (takes 5min)], you find yourself back to "uninstall|download|update" |
| 12:48.02 | RST38h | busy with what? |
| 12:48.03 | X-Fade | RST38h: It does clean up automatically. |
| 12:48.09 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, this conversation was useful a year ago |
| 12:48.15 | DocScrutinizer | sure |
| 12:48.25 | RST38h | X-Fade: Then what lcuk says is untrue? |
| 12:48.38 | DocScrutinizer | I just wonder how it could fsckup during the time when PR1.3 was the recent thing |
| 12:49.05 | X-Fade | RST38h: What did he say? |
| 12:49.14 | lcuk | RST38h, the devel repository even if cleaned up still contains a great many items |
| 12:49.51 | RST38h | X-Fade: He is saying extras-devel contains every single version of every package ever uploaded |
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| 12:49.57 | RST38h | Or something ot this effect, anyway |
| 12:50.09 | X-Fade | RST38h: That is not true. |
| 12:50.28 | RST38h | checks with a browser, finds that it is INDEED not true |
| 12:50.31 | X-Fade | RST38h: It only keeps the last 2 or 3 versions. Everything older gets removed. (Except for the sources) |
| 12:50.41 | lcuk | RST38h, the advice wrt HAM has always been include only the repositories required |
| 12:50.48 | lcuk | and extra ones slow it down muchly |
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| 12:50.56 | RST38h | lcuk: -devel is required, has been for a long while now |
| 12:51.16 | X-Fade | The idea of adding things like icons to the Packages file, just doesn't scale. |
| 12:51.19 | RST38h | many packages exist exclusively in devel |
| 12:51.43 | DocScrutinizer | anyway "checking for updates" several times during a session that doesn't install nor uninstall nor update anything, that's truely odd |
| 12:52.00 | RST38h | apt-get to the rescue. |
| 12:52.20 | lcuk | sure RST38h and it already has workarounds and best case possible but unles you want to modify ham and include in cssu there isn't much that can be done? |
| 12:52.42 | X-Fade | The problem is the Debian way of presenting repositories. |
| 12:52.49 | X-Fade | And on top of that HAM ;) |
| 12:53.30 | X-Fade | In Debian I also see 12MB Packages files, which is just not what you want. |
| 12:53.35 | marmoute | X-Fade: what's the issue with "the Debian way of presenting repositories" |
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| 12:54.08 | X-Fade | marmoute: The dependency info should be separate from the actual info you use to browse. |
| 12:54.20 | lcuk | marmoute, in an embedded environment the indexes are always going to be non-trivial |
| 12:54.20 | X-Fade | So it doesn't need to process a huge text file. |
| 12:54.41 | lcuk | X-Fade, that is actually a good idea |
| 12:54.52 | lcuk | client side beyond the download |
| 12:54.54 | marmoute | Maemo package include icons in the index file which is a non-sense |
| 12:55.03 | lcuk | process it to generate usable simple tree |
| 12:55.04 | X-Fade | lcuk: Hence the apps client :) |
| 12:55.08 | lcuk | sure |
| 12:55.15 | X-Fade | marmoute: Yes, but even description, maintainer etc. |
| 12:55.35 | X-Fade | marmoute: That is all meta data, which should not be processed every time. |
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| 12:55.46 | lcuk | X-Fade, :D I uploaded a mandelbrot generator to maemo recently |
| 12:55.59 | ruskie | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/09/01/openwave_sues_rim_apple/ |
| 12:55.59 | lcuk | after spending the weekend faffing with xfractint on meego |
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| 12:56.39 | RST38h | lcuk: afaik ham is not open |
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| 12:57.37 | lcuk | RST38h, happily it is open http://hildon-app-mgr.garage.maemo.org/devel.html |
| 13:01.18 | RST38h | lcuk: yoooooo.... |
| 13:01.30 | RST38h | Doc: See? |
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| 13:01.39 | RST38h | Meanwhile: http://www.freep.com/article/20110901/COL04/109010448/Brian-Dickerson-Dick-Cheney-had-prevailed-GM-would-toast |
| 13:01.47 | RST38h | What a lovely, pleasant man... |
| 13:04.22 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: what? HAM open? I knew, I already had a look at sources and found some rather fishy code around moving forth and back some "last-updated" tag file |
| 13:05.26 | RST38h | fix it then |
| 13:05.32 | DocScrutinizer | I think there's been a dialog between me and iirc javispedro about it on this chan, some weeks/months ago |
| 13:07.43 | kevin_b | why you think it is idiot to try to get qtdoc build on n900? |
| 13:08.17 | kevin_b | or maybe I should'nt take the "\o/ Noob day " for myself |
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| 13:15.39 | erb | is there a dev metapackage? libtool deps are "not installable" |
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| 13:15.55 | erb | ive had reasonable luck using debian squeeze armel packages in general. but dev tools sound a bit iffy |
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| 13:19.51 | erb | oh right this Diablo SDK repo |
| 13:20.18 | erb | hopefully autotools 2005-04-22 int too old |
| 13:20.53 | erb | maybe it's time i try debian again. running into alot of other issues w/ outdated stuff. git in maemo wouldnt clone from 1.7.6 on arch linux. pulseaudio wont' talk to one in sid/ubuntu anymore over network, etc |
| 13:21.07 | erb | Nokia is 2nd most insane company behind HP |
| 13:21.39 | erb | just know if i update pulseaudio to sid's i'll break telephony or something |
| 13:21.56 | erb | and i go straight Sid on boot i'll rpaobly break GPS, maybe wifi, etc |
| 13:22.14 | erb | whats the answer. buy a n950 and run Meego? |
| 13:22.54 | erb | saurik's toolchain on iOS is actualy pretty good. thats proably the best of all worlds. it even has apt-get and gcc and libtool, unlike my poor maemo |
| 13:23.13 | erb | iphone5 proably in my future:/ |
| 13:23.50 | RST38h | seriously considering buying a Samsung Note |
| 13:23.56 | erb | last time i cp -av'd 2.6.28 kernel and modules stuff from Maemo before installing Sid |
| 13:24.00 | RST38h | If it is hackable and reasonably cheap of course |
| 13:24.05 | erb | and that mostly worked, but of course all the telephony and a few drivers / firmwares were fubar |
| 13:24.29 | erb | Maemo is pretty much perfection. X, GTK. debian-based |
| 13:25.24 | erb | that battery charging i2c script on pancake's site was screwy too |
| 13:25.40 | erb | and copying bme-5.1 util or wahtever and LD_LIBRARY's its maemo deps acted odd as well. tho it generally |
| 13:25.47 | erb | sorta made the lights flash more in line with what maemo does |
| 13:27.04 | erb | wonders about Rasterman's Samsung X/DBus/Linux post. by all accoutns Samsung is big on Android, and has BAda for their symbian stuff. |
| 13:27.19 | erb | maybe theyre planning on replacing BAda eventually, and coming up with a N900/Openmoko replacement worthy of the title |
| 13:27.33 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: I guess it was around http://maemo.gitorious.org/hildon-application-manager/mainline/blobs/master/src/user_files.c#line51 |
| 13:27.35 | erb | imo theyre just keeping it as some 3rd of 4th-tier back-burner option |
| 13:28.21 | RST38h | Doc: I remember people loudly bitchign about HAM being closed |
| 13:28.28 | RST38h | not any more, apparently |
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| 13:29.52 | RST38h | Doc: could you humor me by telling the firmware version in your n950? |
| 13:30.07 | RST38h | someone is asking me about it, but I do not have n950 handy |
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| 13:34.18 | vi__ | checked in n900 |
| 13:34.23 | vi__ | got a n8 back |
| 13:34.24 | RST38h | iwillnotreadgalaxynotereviews ... iwillnotreadgalaxynotereviews ...iwillnotreadgalaxynotereviews ... |
| 13:34.33 | vi__ | argued... |
| 13:34.38 | vi__ | got an e7 |
| 13:34.49 | vi__ | that sucka is going sstrait on ebay. |
| 13:34.54 | RST38h | vi: argued some more... got a suggestion to screw yourself? |
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| 13:35.15 | RST38h | BTW, I have seen a new N900 in a store yesterday. RUR13000 |
| 13:35.18 | vi__ | No, i stopped at e7 |
| 13:35.38 | vi__ | Im just going to sell it for monies and cut my losses. |
| 13:35.44 | RST38h | vi: Do upgrade to Anna, at least. E7 is not a bad phone. |
| 13:36.12 | vi__ | RST38h: BRO! I still have my BACKUP N900! |
| 13:36.24 | RST38h | vi: hehe :) |
| 13:37.34 | vi__ | I was tempted, but then I considered the lack of flexibility of phone OS'es |
| 13:37.45 | vi__ | I cannot go back |
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| 13:38.12 | vi__ | I need vim, xterm, sed, awk and grep to get me through the day. |
| 13:39.15 | DocScrutinizer | vi__: fair enough |
| 13:39.47 | DocScrutinizer | true find-utils |
| 13:40.05 | DocScrutinizer | ~messybox |
| 13:40.05 | infobot | messy... err busybox is meant for lean scripting. Regarding all the missing options and immanent limitations (see su) it's not really the interactive shell of choice. A lot of people hate busybox because a lot of system integrators don't understand the difference between busybox and a decent user interactive shell plus unix utils |
| 13:40.43 | vi__ | ...so you wrote that BB summary then? |
| 13:40.53 | vi__ | I in fact quite like busybox |
| 13:40.56 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: firmware version of N950? WTF? how an I supposed to know? |
| 13:41.13 | vi__ | and have enjoyed finding ways to overcome 'ash's shortcomings |
| 13:41.14 | erb | GHC merged ARM support. i'll port my bash scripts to hs |
| 13:41.36 | vi__ | So you all happy with your N950s then? |
| 13:41.53 | erb | is it's flash fast? basic IO operations are 10-100x faster on ipad than n900 |
| 13:41.56 | vi__ | Coding away for no-one without pesky users to hold you back with gay complaints about... |
| 13:41.57 | DocScrutinizer | haven't touched it for days |
| 13:42.07 | vi__ | gui's and 'features' |
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| 13:42.31 | DocScrutinizer | yoh javispedro |
| 13:42.37 | javispedro | morning |
| 13:43.02 | DocScrutinizer | what's been that weird nonsense about HAM looking for an old "last-updated" tag file? |
| 13:43.14 | DocScrutinizer | do you recall? |
| 13:43.20 | vi__ | DocScrutinizer: why is everyone so excited about extending the range of the FM transmitter down to 76MHz when practically no-one has a receiver for that frequency? |
| 13:43.36 | DocScrutinizer | vi__: eh? |
| 13:43.41 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: that's for automatic background apt-get update aka update checking |
| 13:43.42 | erb | every mp3 player has a 'Japan' locale setting which does 76-90 |
| 13:43.48 | DocScrutinizer | who's excited, where, and on which platform? |
| 13:43.51 | erb | any japan made shortwave / fm radio has it too |
| 13:44.01 | jacekowski | n900 can do all frequencies |
| 13:44.01 | erb | any chinese-made shortwave radio as well really, Tecsun / Degen stuff |
| 13:44.07 | jacekowski | with my modifications |
| 13:44.11 | vi__ | Wow, that is cool...for japan. |
| 13:44.19 | jacekowski | not exactly |
| 13:44.20 | DocScrutinizer | vi__: yeah, listen to jacekowski |
| 13:45.10 | erb | that Silabs chip does 64-108 i think |
| 13:45.20 | chem|st | erb: you got an ipad? |
| 13:45.28 | erb | old russian recievers can rx that band |
| 13:45.40 | erb | have used an ipad |
| 13:45.47 | erb | basic ops like.. apt-get update are SOooo much faster on it |
| 13:46.00 | erb | i dono if its ext2, a bad flash driver, or just slow flash, but n900 is basucaly unusable |
| 13:46.03 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: ooh! I just have PR1.2(!) HAM acting up doing "checking for updates" like on every second click |
| 13:46.15 | chem|st | erb: you are doing something wrong |
| 13:46.15 | jacekowski | vi__: lot of radios can do 87MHz or so |
| 13:46.16 | erb | apt-get upgrade takes like 5 hours to run and n900 overheats |
| 13:46.19 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: that's not background :) |
| 13:46.24 | vi__ | Is there a good sound spectrum analyser/oscilloscope that exists/can be easily proted to maemo? |
| 13:46.25 | DocScrutinizer | yup |
| 13:46.25 | jacekowski | vi__: but nobody transmists on that frequencies |
| 13:46.27 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: and I think that's standard behaviour |
| 13:46.35 | DocScrutinizer | not THAT way |
| 13:46.51 | erb | chem|st: i even didnt use loopback fs in a file its right on dev/mmc0blk0 or wahtever |
| 13:46.56 | chem|st | erb: application manager is slow yes, apt-get update is as slow or as fast as with my desktop.. |
| 13:47.00 | erb | hrm |
| 13:47.11 | DocScrutinizer | start HAM [checking for updates... (takes 5min)], clicking on "downloads" [checking for updates... (takes 5min)], clicking on "all" [checking for updates... (takes 5min)], select "search" from menu, add a search string, click "OK" [checking for updates... (takes 5min)], you find yourself back to "uninstall|download|update" |
| 13:47.21 | erb | chem|st: on maemo it is ok. im talking in a chroot or booted into debian |
| 13:47.50 | erb | which, if maemo wasnt basically 'abandoned' and if nokia got over proprietary firmwares/drivers and gave everything to vanilla, wouldnt be a prob cuz i could jsut use Sid. but hey, world aint perfect.. |
| 13:47.59 | chem|st | erb: you are nuts |
| 13:48.15 | erb | well, FS operaetions are *really* slow in a Chroot or booted into sid. i wish i knew why |
| 13:48.22 | erb | just beacuse you doesnt experience it doesnt make me nuts |
| 13:48.56 | erb | im thinking sid picks the wrong driver for the device, some sort of generic IDE vs DMA-accel UDMA66 type eal that used to happen on desktops |
| 13:49.04 | erb | and chroot proably just introduces syscall overhead |
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| 13:49.53 | DocScrutinizer | erb: apt-get upgrade is DEPRECATED and notorious to break your system anyway |
| 13:49.59 | erb | not dist-upgrade |
| 13:50.03 | erb | really apt-get upgrade is deprecated? wow |
| 13:50.04 | chem|st | erb: or just that a "normal" install of debian is so much bloat you would experience the same on any 1998 desktop... |
| 13:50.10 | erb | so use the GUI package manager only? |
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| 13:54.03 | DocScrutinizer | erb: first of all apt-get doesn't know how to move the temporary and database files to some sane location, where "sane" means eMMC where's just enough free space. So apt-get upgrade is likely to just fail on out-of-storage AIUI |
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| 13:54.51 | RST38h | rm_work: here? |
| 13:55.14 | rm_work | RST38h: there |
| 13:55.21 | erb | 4.72s for untar 23.7mb archive of 1094 files on Maemo, 0.2s on ipad |
| 13:55.28 | RST38h | rm_work: looks like that nokia repo does not index |
| 13:55.29 | erb | only 25x slower |
| 13:55.46 | RST38h | rm_work: probably needs harmattan/sdk for path |
| 13:55.47 | rm_work | :( |
| 13:55.55 | rm_work | hrm |
| 13:56.39 | RST38h | rm_work: see full list here: http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/Community_device_program/Nokia/Development_repos |
| 13:56.51 | RST38h | it has the correct deb line for harmattan-dev among other things |
| 13:58.02 | rm_work | trying |
| 13:58.47 | rm_work | still not working |
| 13:58.58 | rm_work | can't get to it in a browser either... |
| 13:59.11 | RST38h | what a mess...ok, let us see... |
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| 14:00.25 | RST38h | rm_work: replace harmattan/sdk with harmattan-beta, see if it works |
| 14:00.48 | rm_work | nope |
| 14:00.50 | rm_work | i mean |
| 14:00.56 | rm_work | if you can get me a path that works in the browser |
| 14:00.58 | rm_work | i can make it work |
| 14:01.02 | rm_work | otherwise... :/ |
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| 14:01.31 | RST38h | http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/harmattan-beta/ works in the browser |
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| 14:03.41 | RST38h | how does apt manage to access it??? |
| 14:04.51 | DocScrutinizer | what's "harmattan"? ;-P |
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| 14:05.32 | DocScrutinizer | might that be related to #harmattan ? |
| 14:07.07 | javispedro | RST38h: traditionally on Maemo apt has been patched to send some hardcoded HTTP credentials |
| 14:07.19 | javispedro | no idea if that's still the case, but I wouldn't be surprised |
| 14:08.09 | RST38h | possible... |
| 14:08.27 | RST38h | in any case, I am unable to find Packages.gz or even /dists/ dir on harmattan-dev.nokia.com |
| 14:08.31 | RST38h | Weird stuff |
| 14:09.00 | javispedro | hm |
| 14:09.04 | rm_work | yeah i still don't know if this is doable |
| 14:09.08 | rm_work | sorry RST38h :/ |
| 14:09.13 | rm_work | i mean, i know it IS doable somehow |
| 14:09.17 | rm_work | but not this easily |
| 14:09.20 | javispedro | you could grab the files from your device |
| 14:09.24 | massoud | Hi there, i am trying to play mp4 video files on my n900 but cant get the right package to do that, any hints ? |
| 14:09.26 | javispedro | (I mean the Packages.gz) |
| 14:09.33 | javispedro | and upload them to packrat once |
| 14:09.38 | javispedro | I mean, they're not going to change much :) |
| 14:09.52 | rm_work | javispedro: it clears the entire db every update |
| 14:09.55 | rm_work | it's not doing deltas |
| 14:10.10 | rm_work | i guess i could hack it up... |
| 14:10.20 | javispedro | rm_work: file:// URI ? ;) |
| 14:10.28 | rm_work | hrm |
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| 14:10.39 | rm_work | i don't think it'd work |
| 14:10.47 | rm_work | without major code hacks |
| 14:10.53 | javispedro | ah well :( |
| 14:10.54 | rm_work | it'd still be looking in the wrong spot |
| 14:11.51 | rm_work | massoud: i'm sure mplayer could do it |
| 14:11.55 | jacekowski | massoud: it depends on codecs |
| 14:12.03 | jacekowski | massoud: n900 can play only one type of h264 |
| 14:12.03 | rm_work | ^^^^ this |
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| 14:12.12 | jacekowski | massoud: and if it doesn't work then it won't work |
| 14:12.16 | rm_work | well, the first bit, not the second |
| 14:12.26 | rm_work | since mplayer will play anything basically :P |
| 14:12.42 | rm_work | but it does depend on codecs if you want it to work in the builtin media player |
| 14:12.51 | rm_work | did n900 have hardware decoding support for h264? |
| 14:12.54 | jacekowski | yes |
| 14:13.01 | jacekowski | otherwise it will be a slideshow |
| 14:13.02 | rm_work | wow, i was thoroughly unaware of that |
| 14:13.13 | rm_work | i encoded all my videos with xvid |
| 14:13.15 | jacekowski | n900 can't even play normal xvid |
| 14:13.15 | rm_work | and they worked fine |
| 14:13.19 | jacekowski | in software |
| 14:13.25 | rm_work | err |
| 14:13.27 | jacekowski | it's all done using hardware decoders |
| 14:13.29 | rm_work | it does though |
| 14:13.43 | jacekowski | using dedicated hardware decoder |
| 14:13.54 | rm_work | i used mplayer |
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| 14:13.58 | jacekowski | so? |
| 14:14.07 | rm_work | so mplayer does it all in software |
| 14:14.10 | jacekowski | mplayer for n900 can use hardware decoders |
| 14:14.17 | rm_work | not AFAIK |
| 14:14.24 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, ping |
| 14:14.30 | jacekowski | rm_work: it can |
| 14:14.31 | DocScrutinizer | pong |
| 14:14.42 | DocScrutinizer | wazzup? |
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| 14:14.57 | rm_work | mplayer shouldn't even know about the hardware decoders |
| 14:15.02 | rm_work | unless someone wrote a patch for it |
| 14:15.24 | jacekowski | rm_work: exactly |
| 14:15.52 | jacekowski | rm_work: http://code.google.com/p/extra-decoders-support-for-n900/wiki/Troubleshooting |
| 14:16.09 | jacekowski | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Media_Support |
| 14:16.28 | jacekowski | rm_work: anything not on that list is not hardware accelrated and all you will get is a slideshow |
| 14:16.41 | jacekowski | hmm |
| 14:16.47 | jacekowski | some stuff on that list is not accelerated |
| 14:17.04 | rm_work | err, what does this have to do with mplayer? |
| 14:17.16 | jacekowski | rm_work: mplayer is using same codecs |
| 14:17.17 | rm_work | or is it just so i have a list of what hardware decoder supports |
| 14:17.35 | rm_work | mplayer uses codecs from ffmpeg trunk |
| 14:17.39 | jacekowski | yeah |
| 14:17.40 | rm_work | libavc |
| 14:17.58 | javispedro | sighs at a firefox bug that causes it some times to send a HTTP header saying my language is "chr" (aka Cherokee) |
| 14:18.05 | jacekowski | and ffmpeg has support for hardware acceleration on arm |
| 14:18.21 | rm_work | hrm |
| 14:18.27 | rm_work | so you're saying this should work OOTB? |
| 14:18.38 | rm_work | if i compile mplayer/ffmpeg from svn/git |
| 14:18.42 | rm_work | it should just work? |
| 14:19.06 | jacekowski | yes |
| 14:19.11 | rm_work | ooookkk... |
| 14:19.11 | rm_work | because i can verify 100% that isn't true :P |
| 14:19.13 | javispedro | ffmpeg does neon only |
| 14:19.34 | javispedro | aiui it does not use the omap ImagVideoAccelerator for anything |
| 14:20.12 | rm_work | the tests i ran on my own compiled versions of ffmpeg/mplayer show it using CPU for decoding |
| 14:20.29 | rm_work | maybe i didn't have the codecs quite right on the videos? :/\ |
| 14:20.34 | rm_work | it's possible |
| 14:21.06 | DocScrutinizer | cherokee - BWAHAHA |
| 14:21.07 | rm_work | unfortunately the only platform i have recent data for is N950 |
| 14:21.23 | rm_work | on N950, it DEFINITELY doesn't use hardware decoders in mplayer |
| 14:23.03 | DocScrutinizer | on N950 you'll DEFINITELY have to argue with aegis why you dare to even ask for hw accel access ;-P |
| 14:23.09 | rm_work | same video file runs at ~20% CPU total on hires x264, and in mplayer it's pegging the CPU at 100 |
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| 14:23.42 | rm_work | good point DocScrutinizer, maybe it COULD use the hw accel, but aegis is blocking it because i didn't set up the mplayer package right |
| 14:23.58 | rm_work | i wonder... |
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| 14:24.10 | rm_work | you can tell what it tries to access in one of the logs right? |
| 14:24.14 | rm_work | syslog or dmesg or something? |
| 14:24.29 | DocScrutinizer | should tell sth |
| 14:24.34 | DocScrutinizer | yup |
| 14:24.42 | rm_work | which one |
| 14:24.49 | DocScrutinizer | aegis likes to mutter some cryptic shit to syslog |
| 14:25.09 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: best part about that firefox bug is getting the google page in cherokee -- one of the few sites that seems to actually have a chr version |
| 14:25.49 | DocScrutinizer | \o/ |
| 14:25.57 | javispedro | on the good side, this bug is probably skewing someone's www statistics with a rather large number of ... cherokee speakers... |
| 14:26.06 | DocScrutinizer | I darn would like to see that :-D |
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| 14:26.40 | DocScrutinizer | www.gogle.chr ? |
| 14:26.46 | DocScrutinizer | google even |
| 14:27.02 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: you can force it to chr via preferences |
| 14:27.18 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: note: I do not know how "English" is written in Cherokee. |
| 14:27.41 | DocScrutinizer | ^^ |
| 14:27.58 | javispedro | therefore, when this bug is triggered, I cannot go back to English.. |
| 14:28.06 | DocScrutinizer | would a LANG=CHR_chr do? |
| 14:28.07 | javispedro | all I can do is clear cookies, close sessions, and restart browser |
| 14:28.12 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: maybe |
| 14:28.34 | javispedro | incidentally they say the root cause of this bug is that the word "chrome" as in "chrome:///blablabla" starts with "chr". |
| 14:28.52 | javispedro | s/root cause/cause |
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| 14:32.32 | rm_work | interesting |
| 14:32.41 | rm_work | mplayer *is* failing some Aegis cred checks |
| 14:33.30 | DocScrutinizer | toldya |
| 14:33.40 | rm_work | how do i fix that |
| 14:33.56 | DocScrutinizer | anyway I guess you'd see better support/comments on that in #harmattan |
| 14:34.04 | rm_work | right |
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| 14:39.57 | saberclaw | hey there room |
| 14:40.04 | saberclaw | got a question to ask |
| 14:40.24 | saberclaw | does n900 support windows ? |
| 14:40.27 | jacekowski | no |
| 14:40.31 | jacekowski | it's ARM |
| 14:40.37 | jacekowski | windows doesn't run on ARM |
| 14:40.46 | ruskie | hahaha |
| 14:40.47 | erb | win8 runs on ARM i think |
| 14:40.51 | erb | and Win Mobile |
| 14:41.04 | jacekowski | that's different thing |
| 14:41.12 | jacekowski | and win8 is not even released yet |
| 14:41.26 | erb | WinNT ran on PPC, MIPS, Alpha.. |
| 14:41.29 | erb | proably ARM too |
| 14:41.36 | erb | back in 90s you could find CD images of it on usenet |
| 14:42.38 | erb | wikpiedia still lists those arches on https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Windows_NT (no ARM tho) |
| 14:43.24 | erb | virtualbox run on maemo? |
| 14:43.34 | jacekowski | erb: no |
| 14:43.41 | jacekowski | erb: virtualbox is x86 only |
| 14:45.19 | bup | hey thanks for your work on chromium btw |
| 14:45.28 | bup | and.. that FM hack. which seemed to break for me and get "stuck" on 76 |
| 14:45.55 | jacekowski | nobody else had that problem |
| 14:46.03 | bup | proably an upgrade overwrote a module or so |
| 14:46.04 | bup | no big deal |
| 14:46.15 | jacekowski | there are two different versions |
| 14:46.20 | jacekowski | one for 1.2 and other one for 1.3 |
| 14:46.28 | jacekowski | 1.2 uses modified kernel module |
| 14:46.34 | jacekowski | 1.3 is just replacing fmtxd |
| 14:46.36 | bup | ah |
| 14:46.57 | jacekowski | http://jacekowski.org/Maemo/FMTXD1.3 |
| 14:47.01 | jacekowski | http://jacekowski.org/Maemo/FMTXD |
| 14:47.16 | bup | i added http://maemo.jacekowski.org but don't see it |
| 14:47.23 | bup | to /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 14:47.32 | jacekowski | it was never packaged |
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| 14:49.01 | saberclaw | hey any clue whr i can learn a bit about arm architecture? |
| 14:49.30 | jacekowski | arm.co |
| 14:49.33 | jacekowski | .com |
| 14:49.38 | jacekowski | http://arm.com/ |
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| 14:50.41 | chem|st | jacekowski: just replace the binary and go? |
| 14:53.22 | jacekowski | yeah |
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| 14:57.44 | bup | "unable to use FM transmitter" unless i leave it at 76 |
| 14:57.50 | bup | which works fine, cuz i have a 76mhz capable reciever, but weird |
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| 15:02.46 | bup | fmtxd: ERROR: Failed to get the primary well-known name. (RequestName result != 1) |
| 15:03.01 | jacekowski | hmm, do you have fmtx faker? |
| 15:03.02 | jacekowski | or something like that |
| 15:03.06 | jacekowski | or other fmtxd running |
| 15:03.15 | bup | nope |
| 15:03.21 | bup | i tried adding an /etc/hosts entry |
| 15:03.26 | bup | cuz what else would well-known name mean |
| 15:03.39 | jacekowski | it's dbus thing |
| 15:03.45 | jacekowski | iirc |
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| 15:04.47 | bindi | is it hard to make widgets? :p |
| 15:04.57 | bindi | made a bash script and i'd like to widgetify that |
| 15:05.17 | chem|st | Desktop Command Execution Widget |
| 15:05.19 | bup | if i twiddle the CP (set 76.7 ) it errors but fmtxd stays running, cuusing that error |
| 15:05.24 | bup | and it's running on 76 just fine |
| 15:05.39 | bindi | chem|st: right, i'll see into that |
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| 15:09.03 | chem|st | jacekowski: anything else regarding problems? I have the boost installed and use one of the widgets to start and tune |
| 15:09.22 | jacekowski | bup: it's dbus thing |
| 15:09.24 | chem|st | have no stereo to test atm |
| 15:09.43 | bup | 2 diff errors though |
| 15:09.55 | bup | primary well-known was if already running |
| 15:10.01 | bup | "unable to use fmtx" seems unrelated |
| 15:10.02 | jacekowski | chem|st: you don't need boost with my fmtxd |
| 15:10.17 | bup | are userspace utils also required, like fmtx-faker? |
| 15:10.21 | jacekowski | bup: no |
| 15:10.34 | jacekowski | bup: there is commandline fmtx client |
| 15:10.44 | jacekowski | check what exact error is that going to give you w |
| 15:10.51 | jacekowski | when you try to set it to 100MHz or so |
| 15:11.23 | chem|st | jacekowski: but it wont collapse with it will it? |
| 15:11.27 | bup | fmtx_client: ERROR: Unable to set frequency (Frequency is not currently allowed) |
| 15:11.33 | bup | it throw that on anything besides 76000 |
| 15:11.49 | bup | er above 88000 |
| 15:11.50 | chem|st | jacekowski: have you experienced a range extend with headphones in? |
| 15:11.52 | bup | i guess thats a "Feature" |
| 15:12.01 | bup | you realize the SILabs chip can do 64-76 yoo |
| 15:12.39 | bup | i experienced best range around 88 MHz, but in theory silabs has a varactor that tunes internal transmit loop on other frequencies |
| 15:13.13 | bup | magloops dont require a groundplane to get best transmit performance |
| 15:13.16 | bup | like say a 1/4w vertical |
| 15:13.38 | bup | (so headphones plugged in praobly doesnt help much) |
| 15:14.01 | jacekowski | chem|st: not really |
| 15:14.14 | jacekowski | bup: hmmmm |
| 15:14.29 | jacekowski | bup: if you go to /sys |
| 15:14.37 | jacekowski | bup: and then find folder where fmtxd parameters are |
| 15:14.41 | bup | jacekowski: it allows even numbers. 88200 is ok, 88100 isnt |
| 15:14.42 | bup | weird |
| 15:14.52 | bup | well, 200khz steps starting on 000 |
| 15:14.59 | jacekowski | step is set 0.2 |
| 15:15.05 | jacekowski | hmmm |
| 15:15.18 | bup | all my recievers are analog |
| 15:15.20 | bup | so tuning to 88200 is just fine |
| 15:15.35 | bup | the problem is the GUI only ddisplayed odd numbered 0.1 0.3 stuff |
| 15:15.49 | bup | so none of them worked except 76.0 cuz thats even and the default |
| 15:16.58 | jacekowski | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:17.00 | jacekowski | tat folder |
| 15:17.04 | jacekowski | that* |
| 15:17.15 | jacekowski | there should be file called region in there |
| 15:17.18 | jacekowski | what does it say |
| 15:17.20 | jacekowski | and some other ifles |
| 15:17.21 | bup | 4 |
| 15:17.26 | jacekowski | like max and min frequency |
| 15:17.29 | jacekowski | what does it say there |
| 15:18.20 | jacekowski | freq_max |
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| 15:18.47 | bup | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:18.59 | jacekowski | hmmmmmm |
| 15:19.04 | jacekowski | then you are doing something wrong |
| 15:19.08 | bup | haha |
| 15:19.17 | jacekowski | have you replaced correct file? |
| 15:19.25 | bup | mv fmtxd1.3 /usr/sbin/fmtxd |
| 15:19.40 | jacekowski | have you killed currently running fmtxd? |
| 15:19.48 | jacekowski | or restarted phone |
| 15:19.48 | bup | yes |
| 15:19.52 | bup | restarted??? |
| 15:20.00 | jacekowski | i said or |
| 15:20.05 | bup | ok |
| 15:20.09 | jacekowski | hmm |
| 15:20.11 | jacekowski | it has to work |
| 15:20.32 | bup | it works fine, so long as the freq is divisible by 200 |
| 15:20.37 | bup | and imf ine with that, so nevermind |
| 15:20.46 | jacekowski | that's strange |
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| 15:20.59 | jacekowski | because fmtxd should read these numbers from sys nodes |
| 15:21.06 | jacekowski | unless |
| 15:21.13 | jacekowski | cat /sys/bus/i2c/devices/2-0063/lock |
| 15:21.17 | jacekowski | what does it say |
| 15:21.20 | bup | 0 |
| 15:21.33 | jacekowski | hmmmmmmmm |
| 15:21.36 | jacekowski | it has to work |
| 15:22.36 | bup | thank goodnesss for analog radios |
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| 15:32.54 | bup | cat /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-2/2-0063/region_channel_spacing = 100, but fmtx_client claims 200, starting at 76000. and start freq is read-only, so i can't echo 76100 |
| 15:33.11 | bup | thanks for helping me find the bug anwyays |
| 15:33.35 | bup | now i can go back to binary-diffing fmtxd1.3 or looking for the source code |
| 15:34.08 | bup | alternately i could hack the GUI to not display odd-numbered freqs |
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| 15:46.48 | saberclaw | my facebook account is temporarily blocked ...can someone pls help!!!! |
| 15:47.00 | saberclaw | :( |
| 15:47.37 | obcecado | is this channel #facebook ? |
| 15:48.02 | crashanddie | saberclaw, gtfo |
| 15:48.20 | saberclaw | ohhh oohh ohhh...thanks mate |
| 15:48.24 | saberclaw | sorry to bother you |
| 15:48.31 | crashanddie | np, anytime |
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| 15:50.29 | Khertan | noob day ? |
| 15:50.43 | crashanddie | Khertan, on a eu un grand nombre de boulays. |
| 15:50.55 | Khertan | hello all |
| 15:51.02 | Khertan | hehe |
| 15:51.15 | merlin_1991 | Hey Khertan :) |
| 15:52.30 | Khertan | crashanddie, evite sfr a tout prix si tu veux utiliser un smartphone |
| 15:52.55 | Corsac | ha ? |
| 15:52.56 | jacekowski | merde |
| 15:52.58 | crashanddie | Khertan, ce sont mes clients ;) |
| 15:53.42 | obcecado | mdr |
| 15:54.18 | Khertan | filtrer les tar gz |
| 15:54.19 | Khertan | pas d apt ni de store |
| 15:54.19 | Khertan | et les request faite en qml en 403 |
| 15:54.41 | Khertan | joli le proxy transparent |
| 15:54.54 | crashanddie | yeah, they're not the nicest bunch |
| 15:55.20 | crashanddie | which is why, even though we had a massive discount for the company, with us having them as customers, we went for Bouygues... |
| 15:55.26 | Khertan | and no tun kernel module on harmattan so no vpn |
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| 15:55.46 | Khertan | entering metro |
| 15:56.06 | Khertan | connection will probably drop |
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| 15:57.52 | Macer | finally took my damn n900 in to get the usb port fixed |
| 15:57.55 | Macer | heh |
| 15:58.19 | Corsac | Khertan: ils ont tous des proxies transparents non ? |
| 15:58.28 | Macer | maybe i'll try meego on it |
| 15:58.39 | Macer | i try to test meego out every 3 months or so :) |
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| 16:06.26 | RST38h | Meanwhile: FEMA Determines How Bad a Hurricane Is By Checking if The Waffle House Is Open |
| 16:12.08 | rm_work | lolwut |
| 16:12.35 | jaska | holistic approach? |
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| 16:47.32 | Khertan | re |
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| 17:02.24 | javispedro | ohnoes |
| 17:02.30 | javispedro | google already starting world domination |
| 17:03.09 | javispedro | the replacement for the gears thingie which was OSS, and allow offline gmail in many browsers is replaced by some chrome-only crap available in webstore |
| 17:04.18 | javispedro | gives up trying to figure the RE that would fix the previous sentence grammar. |
| 17:04.19 | Khertan | what did they do this time ? |
| 17:04.23 | slonopotamus | IMAP |
| 17:06.08 | javispedro | when killing gears they'd used as excuse that "HTML5 had all of the gears features plus more" |
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| 17:07.42 | javispedro | now it turns out that no, only Chrome cuts it. |
| 17:09.04 | Khertan | yep and they kill it because it was kinda slow, use many network ressources, and was buggy |
| 17:09.05 | Khertan | ~ping |
| 17:09.05 | infobot | ~pong |
| 17:09.36 | slonopotamus | and worked on even less platforms than flash :/ |
| 17:11.11 | javispedro | slonopotamus: nah |
| 17:11.15 | javispedro | gears was open |
| 17:11.20 | javispedro | it was even ported to Diablo |
| 17:12.36 | javispedro | and it worked quite well for even some 2GiB.. |
| 17:12.53 | javispedro | (albeit horribly slow) |
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| 19:07.26 | Creteil | hi all |
| 19:08.08 | Creteil | someone know what file I need to edit to activate a kernel module compilation for the N900 kernel ? |
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| 19:15.03 | Creteil | NIN101, ok, but I want it to be definitive, so what file I need to add in quilt add 'file' ? |
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| 19:16.27 | NIN101 | Creteil: I don't know anything about quilt. |
| 19:16.53 | Creteil | ok |
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| 19:26.38 | wheeler | im having problems with wargus |
| 19:26.49 | wheeler | i have the data files on root |
| 19:27.01 | wheeler | but the extracting keeps failing |
| 19:27.16 | wheeler | so i cannot into warcraft 2 im afraid |
| 19:29.18 | Macer | argh |
| 19:29.19 | Macer | damnit |
| 19:29.28 | Macer | the people at the phone repair shop said the port wasn't the right one |
| 19:29.29 | Macer | wtf |
| 19:29.34 | Macer | it looked exactly the same |
| 19:29.42 | Macer | i think they just are unable to solder it on |
| 19:29.46 | Macer | just as i was |
| 19:30.05 | Macer | fking lame... does anybody know where i can get a for sure proper port for the n900.. a replacement usb port? |
| 19:30.41 | wheeler | selling n900 usb ports 299 dollur each |
| 19:31.03 | wheeler | i drive a hard bargain |
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| 20:28.53 | Choom | one might as well just buy a new phone |
| 20:29.01 | Creteil | damn |
| 20:29.19 | Creteil | where under make menuconfig I can access staging drivers ??? |
| 20:30.22 | NIN101 | Device Drivers -> Staging drivers usually |
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| 20:32.25 | Creteil | why I can't see staging drivers options for the n900 kernel ? |
| 20:34.04 | DocScrutinizer | Macer: there've been offers at fleabay |
| 20:34.57 | DocScrutinizer | Creteil: maybe because the concept of staging is missing in maemo? |
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| 20:45.48 | Sicelo | there's an issue i have noticed with h-e-n. bq27200.sh will show me an average of less than 10mA idle current draw before activating h-e-n, and no less than 30mA afterwards. |
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| 20:46.41 | DocScrutinizer | Sicelo: err yup, possible. |
| 20:46.57 | SpeedEvil | That's the quescant cunt of the boost converter. |
| 20:47.03 | SpeedEvil | Quiescent current |
| 20:47.10 | SpeedEvil | Expected. |
| 20:47.23 | DocScrutinizer | there's a problem with friggin musb_hdrc not entering powerdown state properly |
| 20:47.41 | SpeedEvil | Oh - you mean after disbaling boost? |
| 20:47.51 | Sicelo | yeah SpeedEvil |
| 20:47.58 | DocScrutinizer | if however you speak about time during h-e-n active then SpeedEvil is right |
| 20:48.00 | SpeedEvil | ah |
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| 20:48.20 | Sicelo | and cat /proc/driver/musb_hdrc seem fine afterwards |
| 20:48.48 | DocScrutinizer | Sicelo: there's some "trick" how to fix it, ask ShadowJK about echo foo >/sys/*/usb/state |
| 20:49.16 | DocScrutinizer | also connecting and removing a charger should probably fix it |
| 20:49.49 | Sicelo | let me try a charger :) |
| 20:49.54 | DocScrutinizer | h-e-n is not yet perfect, and your feedback actually highly appreciated |
| 20:49.57 | ShadowJK | the thing I "fix" in cvhrge script is 80mA of powerdraq state consumed 80mA |
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| 20:50.05 | ShadowJK | powerdrasgtrf |
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| 20:51.17 | ShadowJK | the thing I "fix" in charge script is 80mA of powerdraw |
| 20:51.35 | DocScrutinizer | another idea might be to repeatedly stop & start bme. Also cat /sys/*/usb/charger may fix that |
| 20:52.27 | DocScrutinizer | in original hostmode kernel we could have controled it via some echo s >mode |
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| 20:52.43 | DocScrutinizer | to suspend USB controller |
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| 20:53.04 | DocScrutinizer | alas these nice debug commands got optimized out by paul |
| 20:54.23 | xkr47 | bloat them back in ? :) |
| 20:55.14 | Sicelo | the charger 'fix' works ;) |
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| 21:04.35 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
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| 21:05.12 | DocScrutinizer | Sicelo: *many* thanks for this really valuable feedback and info |
| 21:05.45 | DocScrutinizer | grabs a postit and makes notice about looking into it |
| 21:06.21 | DocScrutinizer | should be fixable without actual charger, just making N900 thing there was some |
| 21:06.23 | Sicelo | yw. i'm indebted to you all. :) |
| 21:06.29 | DocScrutinizer | think* |
| 21:07.07 | DocScrutinizer | if you want you may test "booston; sleep 5; boostoff" |
| 21:07.28 | DocScrutinizer | *without* stopping bme |
| 21:07.56 | DocScrutinizer | worst thing that could happen: need to reboot |
| 21:08.11 | DocScrutinizer | optimal outcome: fixes the issue |
| 21:08.23 | Sicelo | ok. where is the booston script on a default install of h-e-n? |
| 21:08.32 | DocScrutinizer | errrr |
| 21:08.53 | DocScrutinizer | find /opt -name 'boost*' |
| 21:09.02 | Sicelo | :/ i'll look at ps ... |
| 21:09.07 | DocScrutinizer | find /usr -name 'boost*' |
| 21:09.08 | Sicelo | ok.. yeah :P |
| 21:10.22 | DocScrutinizer | probably will pop up a silly requester about ass rage and PCsuit mode |
| 21:11.30 | DocScrutinizer | idly wnders why booston isn't in $PATH on a standard install |
| 21:12.27 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: what are you doing to stop those 80mA drain? |
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| 21:13.02 | DocScrutinizer | I think it's exactly the same root cause |
| 21:14.14 | ShadowJK | echo 0 > /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/connec |
| 21:14.22 | DocScrutinizer | * |
| 21:14.30 | DocScrutinizer | :-) |
| 21:14.48 | ShadowJK | doesn't work if PC Suite mode has been activated, and similar conditions |
| 21:15.02 | DocScrutinizer | :nod: |
| 21:15.16 | DocScrutinizer | USB contoller not suspending |
| 21:15.49 | DocScrutinizer | there are like 3 power domains on musb, all need some care to power down properly |
| 21:16.13 | DocScrutinizer | cpu interface, musb core, ULPI |
| 21:17.01 | DocScrutinizer | if all 3 are active, you prolly see 80mA drain, if only 2 or one is active yu see less |
| 21:18.10 | DocScrutinizer | costs me some tens of hours datasheet reading, to wrap my head around that heap of weirdness in musb |
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| 21:19.45 | DocScrutinizer | Sicelo: looking forward t your further reporting |
| 21:21.33 | Sicelo | i'll do it for sure :) within the next 24 hours, as it's bedtime for me ;) |
| 21:23.37 | DocScrutinizer | Sicelo: I'd appreciate most if you could post to tmo h-e-n thread |
| 21:23.55 | DocScrutinizer | just a very terse note |
| 21:24.22 | DocScrutinizer | so it won't get lost, and your contribution is properly attributed |
| 21:28.17 | Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: nice one on the camera fake reboot |
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| 21:29.31 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
| 21:30.47 | DocScrutinizer | "you ruined it BASTARD!!!" ;-P |
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| 22:13.46 | blizzow | Is there a log where I can see the output from login attempts on the sip client for the n900? |
| 22:17.16 | DocScrutinizer | errr I guess no |
| 22:17.29 | DocScrutinizer | ot per default |
| 22:17.32 | DocScrutinizer | not* |
| 22:17.55 | blizzow | bummer, I can't get the sip client to login to our asterisk server. |
| 22:18.32 | DocScrutinizer | wireshark should help a lot |
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