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| 00:05.40 | luke-jr | "and will be released for free (so we donât get stabbed by lawyers)" |
| 00:05.41 | luke-jr | lol |
| 00:12.18 | javispedro | I don't see what's up with the Mario artwork. Not using it and never calling the game Mario anything is probably enough to keep the Nintendo lawyers away. |
| 00:12.29 | javispedro | They could probably even get away with reusing the level designs |
| 00:12.46 | javispedro | however by now it's probably already too late. |
| 00:13.01 | javispedro | saw a similar thing happen to a popular game in the PalmOS days.. |
| 00:13.33 | luke-jr | javispedro: they call it "Mari0" |
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| 05:43.44 | ruskie | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/08/31/last_run_of_touchpads/ <-- lol |
| 05:46.48 | mece | but wait, will they actually make more and sell them at a loss or will they make more and try to sell them expensively (and fail again) ? either way it seems like an idiotic idea. |
| 05:47.10 | mece | I'm guessing it cost more than $99 to make them... |
| 05:47.22 | ruskie | apparently bill of parts is 300usd or somewhere there |
| 05:47.29 | mece | yeah |
| 05:47.43 | mece | but obviously nobody will buy them for $300 |
| 05:47.57 | ruskie | well if they sell them at 100usd it's less of loss than if they just junk them |
| 05:48.07 | ruskie | and they probably have a warehouse full of the parts |
| 05:48.11 | ruskie | which might be the reason for this |
| 05:48.14 | mece | ah yes that might be trye |
| 05:48.24 | mece | well I hope that happens, so I can get my filthy mittens on one. |
| 05:48.31 | ruskie | I'd like one as well |
| 05:48.44 | ruskie | they are taking preorders from what I understood |
| 05:48.51 | mece | I actually have monies waiting in the us already O.o |
| 05:49.01 | ruskie | hehe |
| 05:50.17 | ruskie | though I need to save up for a thinkpad tablet |
| 05:51.35 | mece | ruskie I sent money to a friend because i got fooled by barnes and noble that they had stock |
| 05:52.43 | ruskie | ahh |
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| 05:53.03 | ruskie | hmmm I think shipping would cost probably more than the tablet itself if I did that |
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| 05:58.54 | mece | shipping to finland is $40 |
| 06:01.51 | ruskie | hmm or they aren't showing preorders hmm |
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| 08:06.08 | crashanddie | for the touchpad? |
| 08:06.12 | crashanddie | ruskie? |
| 08:06.30 | ruskie | ? |
| 08:06.36 | crashanddie | ruskie> hmm or they aren't showing preorders hmm |
| 08:07.26 | ruskie | yeah |
| 08:07.28 | ruskie | for the touchpad |
| 08:07.34 | ruskie | I thought they had preorderes open |
| 08:07.35 | RST38h | "As a registered developer, you can purchase an unlocked phone. [for $479.00]" -- Google |
| 08:07.36 | ruskie | but I Guess not |
| 08:07.51 | crashanddie | Nha |
| 08:07.58 | crashanddie | I still have an outstanding order with a couple of shops |
| 08:08.04 | crashanddie | to ensure that I'll get two |
| 08:08.14 | RST38h | "Which will never pay for itself, given Android Market typical prices and sales numbers" -- me |
| 08:08.22 | crashanddie | I paid roughly 1200 instead of 300 |
| 08:08.37 | crashanddie | So I'm waiting to get the tablets, then will cancel the orders, and go for refund |
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| 08:38.06 | fasta | How can I fully download all email from an IMAP server and then read it while being offline? |
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| 08:40.04 | ruskie | fasta, hmm imapsync/offlineimap/fetchmail ? |
| 08:40.29 | Sicelo | if u want to do it using modest, check Wiki |
| 08:42.27 | fasta | Sicelo: is modest the name of the default email application? |
| 08:42.59 | Sicelo | yup |
| 08:43.01 | Sicelo | http://wiki.maemo.org/Improving_Modest_email_sync_reliability |
| 08:45.50 | fasta | Sicelo: does upstart run on the n900? |
| 08:45.58 | fasta | I thought it was a pretty new system. |
| 08:46.18 | fasta | By 'run', I mean 'out of the box'. |
| 08:47.49 | Sicelo | i'm a noob.. so not really understanding what upstart does. i think upstart is there.. at least mine says so.. or is it because i have PK47? i don't know |
| 08:49.04 | fasta | Sicelo: what is PK47? |
| 08:49.12 | fasta | Sicelo: I did flash my firmware. |
| 08:49.24 | ruskie | upstart is an init replacement |
| 08:49.24 | fasta | Sicelo: to the latest available image. |
| 08:49.34 | ruskie | not something you would change with the power kernel |
| 08:49.43 | Sicelo | fasta: no offence, but you should search. just now i saw that even basic/N900 does use/have upstart |
| 08:50.03 | ruskie | and iirc the init system used on the N900 is upstart |
| 08:50.53 | Sicelo | indeed |
| 08:51.31 | Sicelo | fasta: PK is an enhanced kernel for the N900 |
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| 09:17.02 | Sicelo | fasta: hope i wasn't too rash. sorry |
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| 09:18.37 | fasta | Sicelo: I can be much worse myself ;) |
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| 09:19.27 | fasta | Sicelo: still, usually all questions could be answered if every user would read and study all pages on the wiki. |
| 09:19.41 | fasta | Sicelo: but then the whole IRC channel would be useless. |
| 09:19.59 | ruskie | http://www.reghardware.com/2011/08/31/samsung_launches_series_7_chronos_core_i7_laptop/ |
| 09:20.12 | fasta | Sicelo: I think there is some kind of middle ground where an advanced user reads information in a completely different way. |
| 09:20.55 | Sicelo | :) i'm just a big noob myself... my N900 is 2 months old, lol |
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| 09:29.35 | chem|st | fasta: that's why ppl like DocScrutinizer ruskie and me are here... to keep you away from noobs and guide you to the right answeres... what was the question again? |
| 09:30.24 | Sicelo | 0.0 |
| 09:30.58 | crashanddie | woman pays $180 for a fake wooden iPad: http://news.cnet.com/8301-17852_3-20099564-71/woman-pays-$180-for-wooden-ipad-its-fake/?part=rss&subj=news&tag=2547-1_3-0-20 |
| 09:31.14 | SpeedEvil | crashanddie: :) |
| 09:31.15 | Sicelo | i think that's mean chem|st |
| 09:31.36 | SpeedEvil | crashanddie: Was it made of apple wood? |
| 09:32.00 | crashanddie | silly SpeedEvil, you can't make wood from apples. |
| 09:32.12 | Sicelo | 10:38 < fasta> How can I fully download all email from an IMAP server and then read it while being offline? |
| 09:32.24 | Sicelo | 10:45 < fasta> Sicelo: does upstart run on the n900? |
| 09:32.24 | Sicelo | 10:45 < fasta> I thought it was a pretty new system. |
| 09:32.24 | Sicelo | 10:46 < fasta> By 'run', I mean 'out of the box'. |
| 09:32.36 | crashanddie | Sicelo, please don't flood the channel |
| 09:32.37 | Sicelo | those are his questions |
| 09:32.59 | SpeedEvil | watches granny smith hit crashanddie a sturdy blow. |
| 09:33.54 | DocScrutinizer | visz: anyway it seems to me initctl *is* upstart, I might be wrong |
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| 09:34.58 | Sicelo | personally i appreciate all the work everyone here is doing, for free at that. i'm just surprised by that :/ |
| 09:35.01 | Sicelo | anwya |
| 09:35.29 | xxxxts | Hello - I am working on a Maemo project to help out the community (esp people who are not experenced) |
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| 09:35.45 | DocScrutinizer | s/visz/Sicelo/ |
| 09:35.58 | xxxxts | And I am having a little (well a lot) of trouble with uboot and MeeGo |
| 09:36.42 | xxxxts | Anyone in here that could help me out with those two things? |
| 09:37.34 | SpeedEvil | What are you trying to do. |
| 09:37.52 | SpeedEvil | Why. And are you, or have you ever been a member of the communist party. |
| 09:37.52 | xxxxts | Well... the MeeGo image |
| 09:38.01 | DocScrutinizer | Sicelo: see initctl --help :: >>Report bugs to <upstart-devel@lists.ubuntu.com> << |
| 09:38.16 | xxxxts | No, haha, I am not a commy |
| 09:38.16 | Sicelo | thanks DocScrutinizer |
| 09:39.03 | xxxxts | The MeeGo image places EXT4 on mmcblk1p1, and FAT16 (kernels) on mmcblk1p3 |
| 09:39.12 | xxxxts | hence the SD card cannot be used as storage anymore |
| 09:39.51 | DocScrutinizer | actually fremantle (as well as HARM?) has a chimera system, a blend of upstart and initV |
| 09:40.18 | DocScrutinizer | upstart is the core system, but it is using a lot of sysV initscripts |
| 09:40.22 | xxxxts | What I have done is put MeeGo on p2, kenels on p3, and 2GB on p4 for NITDroid |
| 09:40.39 | DocScrutinizer | see /etc/events.d/ vs /etc/init.d/ |
| 09:41.00 | xxxxts | that way P1 (if you have a 16GB SD card) will be 9GB of FAT32 readable by a Windows PC or N900 |
| 09:41.34 | fasta | Sicelo: it is not completely for free. The model is basically that certain users can get 'reputation' and 'recognition by their peers'. |
| 09:41.59 | DocScrutinizer | xxxxts: that's outright wrong, you can still use most parts of the uSD as storage |
| 09:42.00 | xxxxts | now I am trying to make a custom image of MeeGo/NITDroid so it is easier to flash onto a SD card |
| 09:42.19 | fasta | Sicelo: if humans were rational machines, even then there would be some interest in answering simple questions, because it creates a baseline for communication with other peers. |
| 09:42.19 | xxxxts | Please inform me how Doc. |
| 09:42.20 | Sicelo | u are right fasta. i respect them all, big time. |
| 09:42.47 | Sicelo | in any case, not right now... i'm too happy for this. pleas |
| 09:43.04 | chem|st | Sicelo: was not ment to offend you! not in your case but others it is like "pls shut the fsck up and let s/o explain it who actually knows what he is talking about" |
| 09:43.23 | fasta | Yeah, I thought it was more 'tongue in cheek'. |
| 09:43.24 | DocScrutinizer | xxxxts: you already know the answer why and how, it seems |
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| 09:43.57 | chem|st | otherdays I just _facepalm_ |
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| 09:44.12 | xxxxts | by formatting p4 in fat 32 and mounting it to mmc1? |
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| 09:45.06 | xxxxts | and also how do you expect to load NITDroid on there? |
| 09:45.10 | DocScrutinizer | xxxxts: along that line, yes |
| 09:45.21 | xxxxts | In theory it should work, however it does not |
| 09:45.29 | xxxxts | you can follow my work on this; |
| 09:45.39 | DocScrutinizer | xxxxts: note though that nitdroid comes with multiboot, and multiboot will mess up uBoot |
| 09:45.49 | DocScrutinizer | ~maemo-multiboot |
| 09:45.49 | infobot | [maemo-multiboot] deprecated, and a horrible hack. PROBLEMS WITH NITDROID/MULTIBOOT? reflash rootfs&kernel aka COMBINED |
| 09:45.56 | xxxxts | lol, no |
| 09:46.06 | xxxxts | they can coexist in harmoney |
| 09:48.13 | xxxxts | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=76133 |
| 09:48.15 | DocScrutinizer | xxxxts: if they can (and I know *in theory* they could) then you're free to explain to us how to configure all this shit. You'd not have to ask here about it |
| 09:48.27 | xxxxts | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=76153 |
| 09:48.46 | xxxxts | U-Boot and MultiBoot, I would be glad to |
| 09:49.02 | xxxxts | Say you're running Kernel Power 48 |
| 09:49.04 | DocScrutinizer | xxxxts: sorry, you don't expect me to read up two threads on TMO to understand what you are asking, no? |
| 09:49.17 | xxxxts | no need to be rude |
| 09:49.25 | DocScrutinizer | I'm rude? |
| 09:49.36 | xxxxts | and you want to run U-Boot, or even BackupMenu |
| 09:49.49 | DocScrutinizer | which is completely unrelated |
| 09:49.57 | xxxxts | well those packages are only compatible with kernel 46 |
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| 09:50.06 | DocScrutinizer | UH?? |
| 09:50.40 | xxxxts | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1050864 |
| 09:50.42 | xxxxts | there's a thread |
| 09:50.42 | DocScrutinizer | how is backup menu only compatible to a certain kernel?? it's a userland thing completely |
| 09:51.04 | xxxxts | on how to add U-Boot to exist with MultiBoot |
| 09:51.07 | DocScrutinizer | I'm not going to read threads on tmo to understand what's your misconception |
| 09:51.22 | xxxxts | I am running it now |
| 09:51.48 | DocScrutinizer | you're going to ask a question now? |
| 09:51.57 | xxxxts | I obviously came to the wrong place for advice because you obviously don't know what you're talking about |
| 09:52.09 | DocScrutinizer | *plonk* |
| 09:52.56 | xxxxts | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1050864 - just look at $8 |
| 09:52.59 | xxxxts | it works perfectly |
| 09:53.10 | DocScrutinizer | I AM NOT INTERESTED!! |
| 09:53.23 | xxxxts | You made a claim, you are incorrect, and now you're rude |
| 09:53.23 | DocScrutinizer | ~maemo-multiboot |
| 09:53.23 | infobot | somebody said maemo-multiboot was deprecated, and a horrible hack. PROBLEMS WITH NITDROID/MULTIBOOT? reflash rootfs&kernel aka COMBINED |
| 09:54.26 | xxxxts | Goodbye. |
| 09:54.26 | DocScrutinizer | please note this is #maemo, not #nitdroid |
| 09:54.31 | xxxxts | yeah |
| 09:54.32 | DocScrutinizer | waves |
| 09:54.37 | xxxxts | I am working on Maemo |
| 09:54.49 | xxxxts | and installing MeeGo and NitDroid on it |
| 09:55.02 | DocScrutinizer | BS you can't install meego on maemo |
| 09:55.04 | xxxxts | on 1 sd card with FAT32 p1 |
| 09:55.19 | xxxxts | on the N900 I mean |
| 09:55.22 | xxxxts | and in theory yes you can |
| 09:55.32 | DocScrutinizer | please STFU |
| 09:55.44 | DocScrutinizer | or ask your question |
| 09:55.54 | xxxxts | Okay here is my question |
| 09:56.48 | xxxxts | Since I made a custom partition table for MeeGo and I am using u-boot to boot it (I left p3 FAT with kernels), but I changed MeeGo to p2 |
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| 09:57.39 | xxxxts | How can I reconfigure u-boot to boot from p3 and the OS is on p2 (not p1) |
| 09:57.41 | xxxxts | ? |
| 09:57.46 | kevin_b | Hello dudes |
| 09:57.50 | DocScrutinizer | aha, ok. |
| 09:58.09 | kevin_b | How can I tell xterm to have more scrollbackbuffer |
| 09:58.17 | DocScrutinizer | I think there's a file that has the uBoot menu, somwhere IIRC on first fat partition of MMC |
| 09:58.32 | kevin_b | where's the real $HOME/.screenrc really taken into account? |
| 09:58.34 | xxxxts | boot.scr |
| 09:59.01 | DocScrutinizer | kevin_b: edit ~/xchat2/xchat.conf |
| 09:59.41 | kevin_b | xchat? mmm don't feel related to xterm? |
| 09:59.46 | DocScrutinizer | xxxxts: exactly, and afaik you should be able to edit this file to define the boot process |
| 09:59.50 | xxxxts | however no matter how I configure boot.scr I can't get it to boot? |
| 09:59.56 | DocScrutinizer | kevin_b: oops, sorry |
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| 10:00.07 | xxxxts | the file by default is not there, it has to be created |
| 10:00.14 | xxxxts | And it simply won't boot correctly |
| 10:00.18 | xxxxts | or at all. |
| 10:00.26 | xxxxts | I recieve a kernel panic. |
| 10:00.38 | kevin_b | np :p ! So no one can tell me where is the path for potential usefull .screenrc |
| 10:00.57 | kevin_b | I put it in /home/user/.screenrc , FAILED ! |
| 10:01.14 | DocScrutinizer | kevin_b: wait a minute, I have a link to an ancient thread about xterm |
| 10:02.23 | DocScrutinizer | kevin_b: http://inz.fi/blog/category/geeky/maemo/maemo-hackers/osso-xterm/ might help, or at least have some bits of info where to look |
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| 10:03.02 | xxxxts | So do you have any advice? |
| 10:03.59 | Hardknox | hi |
| 10:04.25 | Hardknox | I do not want to sell my n900 sentimental reasons, therefore, can I install on it some other interesting operating system to use it for something, eg, instead of the tablet? |
| 10:04.33 | Hardknox | other os ? |
| 10:05.50 | kevin_b | Yeepee, xterm is configurable by Gconf |
| 10:06.01 | kevin_b | gconftool -s /apps/osso/xterm/scrollback -t int 900 ("setting scrollback buffer") |
| 10:06.09 | DocScrutinizer | knew you'd like it :-) |
| 10:06.31 | kevin_b | thanks |
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| 10:07.16 | DocScrutinizer | yw |
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| 10:09.28 | kevin_b | btw anyone there heard of a qt-assistant deb package? |
| 10:09.35 | DocScrutinizer | xxxxts: you'll find the developer/maintainer of (meego)uBoot at #meego-arm nick: ali1234. He should be able to help you on the issue to get uBoot support a meego with non-standard partitioning |
| 10:10.32 | xxxxts | Wow, I am really impressed. |
| 10:10.35 | xxxxts | Thank you! |
| 10:10.54 | xxxxts | Try to give people more slack :) |
| 10:11.00 | xxxxts | Have a nice day! |
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| 10:19.12 | kevin_b | I 'd like to make a light qt-assistant for maemo5 |
| 10:19.26 | Hurrian | ohai xxxxts |
| 10:19.38 | xxxxts | Hey! |
| 10:19.59 | Hurrian | i'm about to mount the meego image, check the boot.scr file and make a new one |
| 10:20.04 | xxxxts | Man, this boot.scr issue is killing me. |
| 10:20.06 | kevin_b | and I wonder, which branch should I work on? 4.7-fremantlepr1.3 or 4.7-fremantle? |
| 10:20.10 | kevin_b | on http://qt.gitorious.org/+qt-developers/qt/x11-maemo |
| 10:20.59 | xxxxts | Keep me updated on that boot.scr, NOTHING is working for me. |
| 10:21.33 | Hurrian | did you use mkimage? |
| 10:22.21 | xxxxts | No, I know very little about uboot |
| 10:22.41 | xxxxts | So I was trying command lines in uboot |
| 10:22.47 | xxxxts | and boot.scr |
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| 10:23.18 | Hurrian | can you ls the fat partition for me? |
| 10:23.27 | xxxxts | I didn't want to have to reflash my phone (I got the N900 the day it came out, never reflashed once). |
| 10:23.33 | xxxxts | yeah give me a sec |
| 10:25.00 | xxxxts | System.map-2.6.37-24.2.DE-adaptation-n900 config-2.6.37-24.2.DE-adaptation-n900 uImage vmlinuz-2.6.37-24.2.DE-adaptation-n900 |
| 10:26.05 | Hurrian | odd |
| 10:26.12 | Hurrian | there's no boot.scr to be found |
| 10:27.24 | xxxxts | I know |
| 10:27.27 | xxxxts | But... |
| 10:27.38 | xxxxts | I did talk to the dev/maintainer of uboot |
| 10:27.49 | xxxxts | (ali1234) in meego IRC |
| 10:28.06 | xxxxts | she had some different suggestions - I will PM them to you over Maemo... |
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| 10:29.00 | Hurrian | ah |
| 10:29.38 | Hardknox | what OS can I install on my n900 |
| 10:29.40 | Hardknox | ? |
| 10:29.52 | hiemanshu | it has maemo, whats wrong with it? |
| 10:31.12 | xxxxts | Hurrian - sent |
| 10:32.08 | Hardknox | nothing, but i dont want to sell my n900 and I want to try other OS |
| 10:32.11 | xxxxts | Hardknox - you can install A LOT of OSes |
| 10:32.20 | Hardknox | to use my phone for something useless |
| 10:32.21 | xxxxts | and you can emulate a lot of OSes |
| 10:32.29 | Hurrian | hardknox, debian? |
| 10:32.31 | xxxxts | NITDroid (Android) |
| 10:32.35 | xxxxts | MeeGo |
| 10:32.48 | xxxxts | Ubuntu |
| 10:32.49 | Hardknox | debian ? :o without emu ? clean debian ? really ? |
| 10:32.55 | xxxxts | Kubuntu |
| 10:33.09 | Hardknox | chrooted in maemo or clean ? |
| 10:33.12 | Hurrian | http://elektranox.org/n900/index.html |
| 10:33.15 | Hurrian | same with ubuntu etc |
| 10:33.31 | xxxxts | However keep in mind - battery power WILL SUFFER |
| 10:33.40 | xxxxts | and a lot of the dirvers don |
| 10:33.42 | xxxxts | 't wok |
| 10:33.44 | xxxxts | 100% |
| 10:33.53 | Hurrian | xxxxts, oh crap |
| 10:34.09 | Hurrian | apparently kernel path is hardcoded |
| 10:34.21 | xxxxts | do you know how to recomplie it? |
| 10:34.30 | Hardknox | Hurrian: thnx, ill try |
| 10:35.05 | Hurrian | xxxxts, yeah |
| 10:35.26 | xxxxts | ali1234 is really healful - I just don't have a Linux box that I can use... |
| 10:36.03 | Hardknox | bye |
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| 10:36.07 | xxxxts | Hopefully ali will come out with a newer version that has that bug fixed, at least she told us how to do it. |
| 10:39.12 | xxxxts | Hurrian, you there? |
| 10:40.39 | Hurrian | yeah |
| 10:40.46 | Hurrian | okay, got this down. |
| 10:40.49 | xxxxts | I came across a thread |
| 10:40.57 | xxxxts | of someone installing it on the eMMC |
| 10:41.09 | xxxxts | and found an example of a few boot.scr's |
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| 10:41.20 | Hurrian | uboot reads the boot.scrs |
| 10:41.29 | xxxxts | I tried it |
| 10:41.36 | xxxxts | but I am not too great with uboot |
| 10:41.55 | xxxxts | so there's a good chance I messed up - hold on a sec, let me find the threads... |
| 10:42.25 | xxxxts | http://forums.internettablettalk.com/showthread.php?t=72837 - check that out |
| 10:42.56 | Hurrian | setenv bootcmd 'mmc init; fatload mmc1 0:1 0x82000000 /uImage; fatload mmc1 0:1 0x83000000 /uInitrd; bootm 0x82000000 0x83000000' |
| 10:42.57 | Hurrian | setenv bootargs 'root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rootwait console=tty0 omapfb.vram=0:2M,1:2M,2:2M mtdoops.mtddev=2 nosplash' |
| 10:42.57 | Hurrian | boot |
| 10:43.40 | xxxxts | you think it will work? |
| 10:43.55 | Hurrian | lemme put together the boot.scr |
| 10:44.13 | xxxxts | I will do the same... |
| 10:45.04 | xxxxts | wait! |
| 10:45.23 | Hurrian | mmc1 needs to be replaced with mmc0 |
| 10:45.25 | Hurrian | etc |
| 10:45.53 | xxxxts | also in config-2.6.37-24.2.DE-adaptation-n900 (in p3) look under #boot |
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| 10:48.09 | xxxxts | are you sure |
| 10:48.20 | xxxxts | i know it is reversed in u boot |
| 10:48.26 | xxxxts | but for that command right there? |
| 10:49.10 | xxxxts | we will try both |
| 10:51.10 | Hurrian | yeah |
| 10:52.03 | xxxxts | okay boot.scr is placed i am going to reboot... |
| 10:52.16 | xxxxts | mmc0's |
| 10:52.34 | Hurrian | http://pastebin.com/FQzz50TV |
| 10:52.45 | Hurrian | since there is no initrd, this should be fine |
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| 10:53.35 | kevin_b | hey guys, I keep having problem to write to the ext2 MyDocs partition |
| 10:53.47 | Hurrian | kevin_b, MyDocs is vfat |
| 10:53.54 | kevin_b | ho yes, sorry |
| 10:54.08 | kevin_b | it always end messed up needa ran fsck |
| 10:54.10 | xxxxts | no go for me with 0's |
| 10:54.13 | xxxxts | trying with 1's |
| 10:54.18 | Hurrian | xxxxts, check mine |
| 10:54.23 | Hurrian | it's corrected |
| 10:54.35 | xxxxts | were you able to boot? |
| 10:54.47 | kevin_b | is that possible to use another filesystem for MyDocs? |
| 10:54.48 | Hurrian | i don't have meego on my sd atm |
| 10:54.55 | Hurrian | kevin_b, yes it is possible |
| 10:55.12 | Hurrian | and if you need some crap from mydocs, use backupmenu to export it to PC |
| 10:55.34 | kevin_b | cool, is just format it? and maybe have a look at fstab? |
| 10:55.53 | Hurrian | kevin_b, comment it out in genfstab.awk and add a line to rcS-late |
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| 10:57.19 | Hurrian | docscrutinizer, still here? |
| 10:57.26 | kevin_b | nice thanks |
| 10:57.48 | Hurrian | i was thinking, we haxx nolo to pass mmc instead of mtd in the atags |
| 10:59.46 | Hurrian | xxxxts, if all else fails, remove the slashes |
| 11:00.34 | xxxxts | gotcha, i am going to try the second attempt now |
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| 11:02.04 | xxxxts | what slashes, all of em? |
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| 11:02.36 | xxxxts | no go without slashes |
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| 11:02.47 | xxxxts | i mean with slashes |
| 11:05.35 | xxxxts | Hurrian, what slashes? take out all of the / or just the one? |
| 11:06.16 | xxxxts | or two infront of uimage and uInitrd? |
| 11:06.29 | DocScrutinizer | Hurrian: I'm always here |
| 11:07.08 | Hurrian | xxxxts: the /s |
| 11:07.18 | Hurrian | in front of uImage and uInitrd |
| 11:07.28 | Hurrian | in fact, there is no uInitrd, so dont bother with that |
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| 11:08.02 | ruskie | http://www.reghardware.com/2011/08/31/mobee_unveils_magic_trackpad_customisation_kit/ <-- hmm |
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| 11:09.32 | xxxxts | delete unitrd? |
| 11:11.27 | xxxxts | okay |
| 11:11.29 | xxxxts | giving it another shot |
| 11:12.42 | xxxxts | nope |
| 11:12.43 | xxxxts | no good |
| 11:15.07 | xxxxts | Hurrian, what do you think? |
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| 11:20.18 | Hurrian | odd |
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| 11:22.59 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, exactly what I thought as well, though for sure in a different meaning and context |
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| 11:25.34 | DocScrutinizer | but you both guys are the only two on this channel that know what you are talking about ([2011-08-31 11:51:57] <xxxxts> I obviously came to the wrong place for advice because you obviously don't know what you're talking about) so I wonder if that convo wasn't better suited for a private query |
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| 11:37.10 | ruskie | http://www.reghardware.com/2011/08/31/toshiba_launches_at100_android_tablet_at_ifa/ <-- this would work as an alternative to the thinkpad tablet |
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| 11:46.46 | dungeon_archl | hi, can I delete the OVI maps? |
| 11:46.58 | dungeon_archl | because its offset made it not usable |
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| 11:47.37 | kerio | dungeon_archl: nope! |
| 11:48.04 | dungeon_archl | kerio: ok, any problem if I do it? |
| 11:48.24 | kerio | idk, try |
| 11:49.05 | dungeon_archl | kerio: ok once Im ready to reflash and repartation, I will try it first |
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| 12:05.18 | DocScrutinizer | dungeon_archl: sorry, I missed your rationale. What offset, and delete what exactly? |
| 12:06.10 | dungeon_archl | DocScrutinizerï¼ãhi, I was asking if I can purge the OVI maps because it do not work properly here. |
| 12:06.23 | DocScrutinizer | purge the app? |
| 12:06.37 | DocScrutinizer | or purge that map data? |
| 12:06.48 | dungeon_archl | DocScrutinizer purge the app |
| 12:07.11 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, possibly not, as it might be part of the maemo metapackage |
| 12:07.48 | dungeon_archl | ok, I just feel its useless due to the position offset issue |
| 12:07.49 | DocScrutinizer | I.E. there *might* be other packages that just expect it to be there |
| 12:07.59 | DocScrutinizer | what position offset? |
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| 12:08.41 | dungeon_archl | DocScrutinizer it shows the current postion south to the real site |
| 12:08.46 | DocScrutinizer | I'm also not sure it's useful, esp compared to e.g. mappero, marble, etc |
| 12:08.57 | DocScrutinizer | o-O |
| 12:09.16 | dungeon_archl | DocScrutinizer from its postion, I should be swiming in the sea |
| 12:10.34 | DocScrutinizer | hmm there was a bug in dunno PR1.0/1.1 with liblocation, that should have been fixed since long, and IIRC it was south/west mirroring around the Greenwich meridian |
| 12:13.07 | chem|st | dungeon_archl: if on network positioning with 3G I get some wierd locations sometimes |
| 12:13.15 | DocScrutinizer | indoor initial first fix position been a few 200m to the south indeed, another 30s next to the windows the position shown is ~50m correct |
| 12:13.54 | chem|st | I get a pos close to the next GSM tower |
| 12:13.54 | dungeon_archl | DocScrutinizer: the offset is about 4 km i suppose |
| 12:14.03 | chem|st | which is south^^ |
| 12:14.15 | chem|st | offset 1.5km |
| 12:14.28 | RST38h | Marble is useless |
| 12:14.38 | chem|st | but pretty^^ |
| 12:14.51 | dungeon_archl | RST38h: why marble useless? its a toy for kids. |
| 12:15.07 | RST38h | Eats too much into the swap partition on the N900. |
| 12:15.13 | RST38h | Totally inoperable. |
| 12:15.46 | ErwinJunge | DocScrutinizer: You are joerg_rw right? |
| 12:15.56 | DocScrutinizer | use a /whois |
| 12:16.31 | ErwinJunge | is slowly learning about irc, thanks |
| 12:16.54 | DocScrutinizer | dungeon_archl: indeed OVI maps seems to have a preference for heading south as soon as your GPS data gets invalid or never became valid |
| 12:17.27 | dungeon_archl | not too bad, OVI map with WIFI Network correction give a 1.5KM offset to east, much better than pure stallite |
| 12:17.34 | DocScrutinizer | ErwinJunge: /ms nickserv indo <nickname> also helps a lot |
| 12:17.50 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer, isn't that /msg ? |
| 12:18.14 | DocScrutinizer | dungeon_archl: N900 GPS is notorious for poor performance when used without a SIM card |
| 12:18.17 | RST38h | Gentlemen, what kilometers are you all talking about? Ovi Maps has always been fairly accurate for me. Even with no cell service. |
| 12:18.21 | DocScrutinizer | indeed |
| 12:18.26 | DocScrutinizer | /msg |
| 12:19.14 | RST38h | Just used it in Greece. Had SIM card in but no roaming. Wasn't any WiFi either. Worked like a charm, after a bit of initialization time (~5mins) |
| 12:19.20 | dungeon_archl | DocScrutinizer: but I have a sim... |
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| 12:20.03 | ErwinJunge | DocScrutinizer: Could I pick your brain a bit regarding an "optimal" reinstall of my N900? What to do pre/post flash? What packages to avoid? Stuff like that. I'm definitely interested in having a bigger /home |
| 12:20.06 | DocScrutinizer | dungeon_archl: weird. Usually your GPS should give better precision of location then |
| 12:20.30 | dungeon_archl | DocScrutinizer: may I ask, do the data used by OVI maps count as Internet Usage? my pre-paid do not have Internet |
| 12:20.45 | DocScrutinizer | ErwinJunge: sure, we'll all be happy to help. Just ask |
| 12:21.07 | DocScrutinizer | dungeon_archl: yes, for sure they count as data |
| 12:21.37 | ErwinJunge | Well, how up to date is this page: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools ? |
| 12:21.46 | DocScrutinizer | except for the GPS assistance data that most providers deliver to every phone, not only to those with GPRS data plan |
| 12:22.02 | ErwinJunge | Which is the best thing I found regarding my wish for a larger /home |
| 12:22.08 | DocScrutinizer | ErwinJunge: it's mostly still valid |
| 12:22.20 | DocScrutinizer | esp the edit for larger /home still applies |
| 12:22.58 | ErwinJunge | Ok, thanks on that. Any other possible tweaks that I might want to know about to apply to the image before flashing? |
| 12:23.00 | dungeon_archl | DocScrutinizer: I can use other map application which indicate correct position fairly easy... OVI maps is werid... |
| 12:23.29 | DocScrutinizer | ErwinJunge: do a proper backup prior to flashing ;-) That'S about all |
| 12:23.38 | chem|st | I do understand that if you want to install various games and stuff you need to cut mydocs in pieces, but for what again do I need a larger home? |
| 12:24.15 | DocScrutinizer | well, some apps really hog /opt, for example |
| 12:24.22 | ErwinJunge | DocScrutinizer: Would an rsync of / be good enough? Or do I need to use some sort of backup tool? |
| 12:24.26 | DocScrutinizer | and /opt lives on /home |
| 12:24.44 | DocScrutinizer | good enough for sure, maybe even overkill |
| 12:24.54 | DocScrutinizer | if you feel ok with it, go for rsync |
| 12:25.02 | chem|st | ErwinJunge: proper backup is given with "backup" from your menu, and everything you edited by hand in / |
| 12:25.05 | ErwinJunge | chem|st: In my case, I keep running out of space for apps |
| 12:25.41 | chem|st | ErwinJunge: never happened to me, and if it would force me to uninstall all the BS I had a try-out on |
| 12:26.00 | DocScrutinizer | hehe |
| 12:26.16 | DocScrutinizer | maybe that's the purpose of the reflash he's planning to do? |
| 12:26.23 | ErwinJunge | chem|st: "everything you edited by hand in /" --> I have no idea anymore by now :) |
| 12:26.33 | DocScrutinizer | go for rsync |
| 12:26.34 | ErwinJunge | Yeah, reflash is kind of a major cleanup operation |
| 12:27.24 | DocScrutinizer | don't miss /home, do not include /home/user/MyDocs (as that's your mass storage device and better copied that way) |
| 12:27.25 | chem|st | my desktops / is 11GB used... |
| 12:27.37 | chem|st | with var and everything |
| 12:28.06 | chem|st | even a pagefile... (deaktivated swap partition a while ago...) |
| 12:28.07 | ErwinJunge | 8.8GB here |
| 12:28.17 | ErwinJunge | Without pagefile |
| 12:28.21 | chem|st | and that is a desktop... |
| 12:28.37 | chem|st | well my home is 63GB used... |
| 12:29.02 | DocScrutinizer | whatever, increasing /home from 2 to maybe 4 or even 8 GB is a sane thing, we don'T need to discuss :-) |
| 12:29.18 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: sure |
| 12:29.34 | chem|st | well 8 sounds insane |
| 12:29.42 | DocScrutinizer | :shrug: |
| 12:29.48 | DocScrutinizer | depends |
| 12:30.06 | ErwinJunge | chem|st: I'm not using MyDocs for anything anyways, might as well increase the size of /home |
| 12:30.07 | chem|st | what for? having more programs installed than my desktop?! |
| 12:30.19 | chem|st | ErwinJunge: thats another case |
| 12:30.22 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro's pre-thingie seems to eat /home/user like candy for each single game you install |
| 12:30.31 | chem|st | I use mydocs and thuSD as backup |
| 12:30.46 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: true |
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| 12:31.34 | DocScrutinizer | and allegedly the 2GB originally were meant to just suffice for trackerd's index db |
| 12:31.41 | ErwinJunge | Anyways, after flashing. From hanging out in this channel for a while I've learned to avoid fapman. Anything else to avoid? Anything I really should install (apart from power-kernel and cssu)? |
| 12:31.45 | chem|st | but in that 11gb of / are things like QuakeIII and other 1GB games... |
| 12:31.47 | DocScrutinizer | of a MyDocs full of crappy 90s songs |
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| 12:32.04 | chem|st | lol |
| 12:32.27 | chem|st | rootsh |
| 12:33.02 | DocScrutinizer | avoid installing powerkernel and cssu right away |
| 12:33.07 | DocScrutinizer | install rootsh |
| 12:33.22 | DocScrutinizer | ssh server&client metapackage |
| 12:33.53 | DocScrutinizer | get a feeling of how a *clean* maemo feels, how long the battery lasts etc |
| 12:34.02 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: it is actualy better to install cssu right after rootsh and openssh as you cannot get into trouble with other stuff's dependencies |
| 12:34.17 | DocScrutinizer | then after a few days go for customization like powerkernel, desktop-widgets, CSSU |
| 12:35.27 | DocScrutinizer | ooh, and you want to make sure you don't miss to install backupmenu right away, definitely |
| 12:35.59 | ErwinJunge | I actually need powerkernel since I regularly use the phone to access the internet on my laptop on the go |
| 12:36.18 | DocScrutinizer | and make a 'snapshot' of your fresh install (afterrootsh, ssh, and maybe half a dozen other mandatory things that is) |
| 12:36.44 | DocScrutinizer | mobile hotspot? |
| 12:37.35 | DocScrutinizer | PK47 seems not to work with moHotSpot |
| 12:38.15 | RST38h | CSSU is actually harmless |
| 12:38.19 | RST38h | more or less |
| 12:38.25 | DocScrutinizer | more less |
| 12:38.31 | ErwinJunge | Sometimes, when I need to share as well, but mostly the usb edition. Does the usb networking require powerkernel? |
| 12:38.42 | RST38h | never tried powerkernel, desktop widgets do happen to suck now and then |
| 12:39.06 | DocScrutinizer | it nukes the camera-ui binary and you can't get it back (unless you find some idiot who left a copy in internet to download ;-D ) |
| 12:39.49 | DocScrutinizer | ErwinJunge: nope, usb tehtering and netwoking should work OOTB |
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| 12:41.13 | ErwinJunge | DocScrutinizer: http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_USB_router --> Says to install kernel-power-settings. I guess that pulls in the pk as well? |
| 12:41.15 | RST38h | Doc: Actually, it leaves the camera-ui binary afaik |
| 12:41.23 | DocScrutinizer | ErwinJunge: I gather your laptop is configured ready to use USB tehrering, so just try it after flashing |
| 12:41.29 | RST38h | Doc: it is still accessble from the new binary, anyway |
| 12:41.59 | DocScrutinizer | ErwinJunge: yes, probably. I never heard of USB-router though |
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| 12:42.37 | ErwinJunge | That's what I actually meant, I should have been more specific. Upside to that method is that it requires no configuration on the laptop/pc end. |
| 12:42.49 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: definitely not |
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| 12:43.08 | ErwinJunge | Also, the phone has an ip address, so I can mount it via ssh |
| 12:43.18 | DocScrutinizer | ErwinJunge: yup, I see |
| 12:44.04 | DocScrutinizer | yes, this will need netfilter/iptables whatever (I never get the names right, it seen too many renames during my active time) |
| 12:44.18 | DocScrutinizer | and those are depending on PK |
| 12:44.54 | DocScrutinizer | (ipchains been another one of the names iirc) |
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| 12:45.17 | flux | well, netfilter/iptables have been around for quite a while for now.. |
| 12:45.30 | ErwinJunge | I've never had problems with mobilehotspot btw with pk47 |
| 12:45.50 | ErwinJunge | Well, not any more than with the earlier versions |
| 12:45.52 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, somebody claimed recent PK failed on it |
| 12:46.08 | DocScrutinizer | just some 3 days ago |
| 12:46.18 | DocScrutinizer | maybe recent PK is 48 then? |
| 12:46.43 | ErwinJunge | current for me is 47, but I can't update anything anymore because of my full /home :) |
| 12:47.16 | DocScrutinizer | well, you know about it now, just in case you run into trouble |
| 12:47.33 | ErwinJunge | Thanks |
| 12:48.26 | DocScrutinizer | [2011-08-30 10:17:26] <cityLights> how can I roll back to kernel power 47 ? |
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| 12:48.43 | DocScrutinizer | [2011-08-30 09:55:40] <cityLights> mobile hotspot no longer work after power kernel upgrade |
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| 12:49.19 | ErwinJunge | Ok, so to recap: rootsh, openssh, backupmenu. Try phone for couple of days, or until I need to tether. Install PK. Did I miss anything here? |
| 12:49.23 | ErwinJunge | Ah, so pk updated |
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| 12:53.37 | ErwinJunge | Regarding the cssu: I thought it had all kinds of useful small fixes? Is the only problem with is the camera-ui thing? |
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| 12:55.50 | ErwinJunge | Because I honestly don't mind the new camera ui that came with it. |
| 12:56.23 | RST38h | Doc: Will ask Mohammad |
| 12:57.33 | DocScrutinizer | ErwinJunge: (did I miss sth) nope, sounds good |
| 12:58.13 | DocScrutinizer | cssu *should* be fine now, though I haven't tested since ages |
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| 12:58.38 | ErwinJunge | And finally, after installing the necessary packages, any config files that need tweaking? I always assumed Nokia probably did a good job with the defaults, but things have changed a bit since then (pk, cssu). |
| 12:58.47 | DocScrutinizer | basically all the fixes I care about are the ones listed on my tools page |
| 12:58.59 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: running cssu since day one |
| 12:59.44 | DocScrutinizer | you may want to give swappolube a try |
| 13:00.50 | DocScrutinizer | supposed to somewhat fix occasional extended freeze periods, esp when copying large files around etc |
| 13:01.23 | ErwinJunge | Ok, added to the list |
| 13:02.47 | DocScrutinizer | and please think twice before you mess with CPU clock freq in PK-settings :-D |
| 13:03.03 | DocScrutinizer | aka overclocking |
| 13:04.31 | ErwinJunge | I actually like this phone, so not touching that :) What about undervolting btw, to save battery? |
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| 13:05.52 | DocScrutinizer | if you feel keen and familiar with low level cmdline stuff you may even want to create a backup of your kernel and CAL aka config NAND partition, using "mtd_debug read..." and the info from /proc/mtd |
| 13:06.25 | DocScrutinizer | ErwinJunge: undervolting isn't supposed to chage much about battery life |
| 13:07.20 | DocScrutinizer | (mtd_debug read) supposed to get support in next version of backupmenu |
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| 13:08.33 | ErwinJunge | I'll do a bit of googling on that, thanks for the tip |
| 13:08.58 | ErwinJunge | If uv doesn't change much about the battery I'm not investing time and effort in it, thanks again |
| 13:09.10 | DocScrutinizer | it's simple, do a mtd_debug --help and a cat /proc/mtd |
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| 13:10.06 | DocScrutinizer | pull out your calculator... :-) (for length, startaddr) |
| 13:10.28 | DocScrutinizer | well, length == size I guess |
| 13:10.54 | DocScrutinizer | never been tested afaik, so beware if you don't feel venturous :-D |
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| 13:11.29 | DocScrutinizer | it *should* work this way, mtd_debug read for creating a backup, write for restoring |
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| 13:12.11 | DocScrutinizer | but you also have a fair chance to *really* brick your hw on nuking CAL/config |
| 13:12.42 | DocScrutinizer | so maybe better don't test the restoring unless you need it for good |
| 13:12.46 | ErwinJunge | Ok, so that's not happening than. I'm not that adventurous |
| 13:13.29 | DocScrutinizer | ;-) fair enough |
| 13:13.46 | DocScrutinizer | for flashing see |
| 13:13.48 | DocScrutinizer | ~flash |
| 13:13.49 | infobot | hmm... maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 13:16.15 | ErwinJunge | Alright, thanks for all the info. I'm not going to do any of this right now btw (no time), but just wanted to know the steps to do things right. Especially the editing of the image prior to flashing, great tip. |
| 13:18.27 | DocScrutinizer | watch out with editing, the number of chars mustn't change |
| 13:18.40 | DocScrutinizer | s/chars/digits/ here |
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| 13:20.14 | DocScrutinizer | it's tested for 4GB and iirc 6GB, it failed for 16GB, can't recall if the guy managed to get a usable img by abusing some whitespace for the additional digit |
| 13:20.18 | ErwinJunge | So max would be 9999? |
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| 13:20.57 | ErwinJunge | Maybe you should put this info in you tools page as well, it still says Size is in MB, you probably can increase /home partition to some 28G |
| 13:21.00 | DocScrutinizer | somewhat, yeah, I guess that's max |
| 13:21.12 | DocScrutinizer | :nod: |
| 13:22.16 | ErwinJunge | If I screw this up, will that permanently break things? Or can I just edit it again and reflash? |
| 13:22.34 | DocScrutinizer | no way, it will just refuse to flash iirc |
| 13:22.58 | DocScrutinizer | so yes, you can use an original img copy and retry |
| 13:23.23 | ErwinJunge | I guess I'll just go for 8096 to be safe |
| 13:23.32 | DocScrutinizer | fair enough |
| 13:23.49 | ErwinJunge | Interesting how your rsync script supports multiple N900s. How many do you have? :) |
| 13:23.56 | DocScrutinizer | 2 |
| 13:24.17 | DocScrutinizer | though I run that script against one of then only |
| 13:24.32 | ErwinJunge | Just in case you break one? |
| 13:24.33 | DocScrutinizer | *usually* :-D |
| 13:24.55 | DocScrutinizer | one is a development device, the other my private everyday phone |
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| 13:26.00 | ErwinJunge | Not a really robust backup mechanism btw, overwriting the previous backup. Would you be interested in a bit more advanced script which uses hardlinks to automatically make full backups every day while only taking the space that incremental backups would take? |
| 13:27.57 | chem|st | ErwinJunge: I do the same... the drive it is stored on is in inc backup^^ |
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| 13:37.31 | DocScrutinizer | ErwinJunge: I actually do the ln dance :-D |
| 13:38.18 | DocScrutinizer | esp useful on mirrors of repos that occasionally tend to rm files that were available on mishap |
| 13:38.21 | ErwinJunge | DocScrutinizer: Ok, just thought I'd offer since it's not shown in the script on your tools page :) |
| 13:38.31 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
| 13:38.39 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, should add it |
| 13:38.48 | Sicelo | so the Ctrl+BS task switching needs modified-hildon... |
| 13:38.49 | Sicelo | ? |
| 13:38.59 | DocScrutinizer | actually I do a cp -al |
| 13:39.46 | ErwinJunge | same here |
| 13:40.04 | DocScrutinizer | cp -al harmattan-dev.nokia.com/ harmattan-dev.nokia.com_$(date +%Y-%m-%d)/ ;-D |
| 13:40.27 | DocScrutinizer | Sicelo: yep |
| 13:40.38 | ErwinJunge | cp -al $DEST/current /$DEST/`date +%Y%m%d` |
| 13:40.44 | ErwinJunge | remarkably similar :) |
| 13:40.51 | DocScrutinizer | Sicelo: the nice version as of the video linked to in my tools page does |
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| 13:42.05 | Sicelo | yeah, your tools page is most useful. i meant to ask what the 'apt-get remove mp-fremantle-generic-pr |
| 13:42.11 | Sicelo | line is for? |
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| 13:44.12 | Sicelo | that's at the end of the section which sets up the ctrl+bs task switch |
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| 13:55.20 | javispedro | GeneralAntilles: now you will have to make a review as soon as you get the watch ;) |
| 13:55.30 | javispedro | like, how's the battery life and so. |
| 13:55.53 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah |
| 13:56.03 | GeneralAntilles | Hope I can get it interfacing with the N950 quickly. |
| 13:56.14 | javispedro | Sounds like an interesting problem to tackle |
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| 13:56.20 | ErwinJunge | GeneralAntilles: what watch? |
| 13:56.26 | javispedro | if the battery life is more than two days I might get one too |
| 13:56.26 | GeneralAntilles | MetaWatch |
| 13:56.33 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.metawatch.org/ |
| 13:56.41 | GeneralAntilles | javispedro, previews say about a week. |
| 13:56.47 | Jaffa | Sicelo: Ctrl-Bs to launch task switcher has been standard in Fremantle since the N900 prototypes |
| 13:57.13 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: Is it a brick? |
| 13:57.18 | javispedro | GeneralAntilles: a review I read mentioned "single day" :( but he blamed unoptimized firmware. |
| 13:57.56 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, dunno, doesn't ship until end of September. |
| 13:58.10 | GeneralAntilles | Single day I could handle |
| 13:58.17 | GeneralAntilles | I mean, I already charge 3 devices at night. |
| 13:58.21 | GeneralAntilles | a 4th wont end the world |
| 13:58.30 | javispedro | GeneralAntilles: the last Fossil watch I've owned was a PalmOS one, it was also single-day. |
| 13:58.45 | javispedro | I'm a heavy PalmOS fan, it's the best watch in the world, and yet, I couldn't handle the single-day battery. |
| 13:58.45 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: Looks nice. If battery life is good (month or so), I'll have an analogue one. Ta. |
| 13:58.57 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, I doubt it'll be anywhere close to that long. |
| 13:59.12 | jaska | single day.. watch? as in one day charge? |
| 13:59.46 | javispedro | jaska: yes |
| 13:59.52 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: I'd be also worried about the additional drain on my phone of it sending cool Bluetooth messages to my watch all day. |
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| 14:00.11 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, N950 is currently day-point-five-plus for me. |
| 14:00.14 | javispedro | Jaffa: considering the same drain applies to the watch battery I wouldn't worry about the phone |
| 14:00.16 | jaska | javis: ouch. |
| 14:00.17 | GeneralAntilles | So if that took it down to a day, then meh. |
| 14:00.39 | ErwinJunge | Nice idea, I'll stick with fully mechanical though: http://www.davis.nl/en/Klassiek/scelet.html |
| 14:00.57 | ErwinJunge | Even have to wind it manually. No battery-life whatsoever, because no battery ;) |
| 14:01.41 | GeneralAntilles | ErwinJunge, still have to charge it. |
| 14:01.47 | javispedro | tbh I also like the analog+oled one more, but I bet it uses more battery. |
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| 14:02.45 | javispedro | gimme eink watch :) |
| 14:02.52 | GeneralAntilles | Too big for an analog watch |
| 14:02.55 | GeneralAntilles | and no second hand |
| 14:03.28 | ErwinJunge | Still a great idea though, essentially an extra screen on your wrist. |
| 14:03.40 | javispedro | the watch protocol looks very nice and hackable |
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| 14:04.09 | GeneralAntilles | javispedro, apparently the point. |
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| 14:04.48 | javispedro | GeneralAntilles: I remember another watch of the same spirity, but it was more "you install an app on the phone. the app renders". |
| 14:05.00 | javispedro | This is more like "the phone has full control of the watch" |
| 14:05.07 | javispedro | it renders whatever it wants on it |
| 14:05.25 | GeneralAntilles | will be back later. |
| 14:06.02 | javispedro | and if what the SDK says is true, it has an accelerometer.. |
| 14:06.18 | javispedro | and a light sensor |
| 14:08.08 | javispedro | you could probably convert it into some kind of minimap screen for ovi maps or ex. |
| 14:08.13 | javispedro | *for ex. |
| 14:08.44 | ErwinJunge | ohhhhh |
| 14:08.47 | javispedro | refresh time wouldn't be good, and I wouldn't expect battery life to last a lot in this mode tough... |
| 14:08.55 | ErwinJunge | wants a minimap on his wrist |
| 14:09.10 | chem|st | ErwinJunge: then do! |
| 14:09.12 | ErwinJunge | With icons for teammates |
| 14:09.20 | javispedro | it is fully doable |
| 14:09.23 | ErwinJunge | And preferably enemies, but that would be cheating |
| 14:09.25 | chem|st | that is possible too... |
| 14:10.08 | ErwinJunge | Joking aside though, minimap on wrist while on vacation == awesome |
| 14:10.11 | javispedro | it has a vibrator too. |
| 14:10.54 | chem|st | "hit indicator" |
| 14:11.39 | ErwinJunge | ammo remaining |
| 14:12.28 | javispedro | It looks very nice. |
| 14:12.35 | ErwinJunge | is seriously considering buying one of these just for the minimap idea |
| 14:12.46 | javispedro | My cons: no touchscreen, low battery, useless if no phone |
| 14:13.26 | ErwinJunge | Hm... no touchscreen is definitely a missed chance |
| 14:13.33 | javispedro | ah found it |
| 14:13.36 | javispedro | http://www.getinpulse.com/ |
| 14:13.40 | ErwinJunge | s/chance/opportunity/ |
| 14:13.40 | javispedro | this is the other one I was considering |
| 14:13.55 | javispedro | along with the Motorola one but that is not as hackable |
| 14:14.01 | javispedro | the InPulse one also looks interesting |
| 14:14.26 | javispedro | but it seemingly has less battery, no touchscreen either |
| 14:14.45 | javispedro | but since they "install" apps on the watch is not completely useless when the phone is out of range |
| 14:15.18 | ErwinJunge | Seems like a better idea. Also, it's $50 cheaper |
| 14:15.30 | Jaffa | javispedro: That says up-to 4 days, which is quite cool. |
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| 14:18.36 | ErwinJunge | "up-to" is very dangerous |
| 14:19.12 | javispedro | Jaffa: reviews say "6-7 hours" |
| 14:19.18 | javispedro | which is what I'd believe |
| 14:19.32 | javispedro | OLED is still a battery sucker when compared to an old-style LCD. |
| 14:19.50 | RST38h | depends on the number of lit pixels |
| 14:19.59 | RST38h | E7 does very well in terms of battery life |
| 14:21.01 | javispedro | RST38h: note that you're comparing to a plain old LCD, probably not even TFT. |
| 14:21.07 | javispedro | it's monochrome |
| 14:21.20 | RST38h | ah |
| 14:21.21 | javispedro | I believe they are not even comparable -- but no data to back this off :) |
| 14:21.29 | RST38h | you mean the old LCD |
| 14:22.06 | javispedro | yeah |
| 14:22.18 | javispedro | talking about geeky watches to impress the girls here =) |
| 14:22.30 | javispedro | (obviously kidding :) ) |
| 14:23.37 | SpeedEvil | javispedro: A nokia 3310 (for example) has a 20*30mm or so 90*120 pixel or so display - and has (from memory) around a 5mA draw from the LCD. |
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| 14:23.55 | SpeedEvil | An OLED display of a similar size will use about an order of magnitude more. |
| 14:24.07 | SpeedEvil | Even with just one or two pixels on, it will vastly exceed 5mA |
| 14:24.19 | dungeon_archl | hi, is there gtalk audio call on N900 by default? |
| 14:24.26 | dungeon_archl | need help quick, thank you |
| 14:24.34 | RST38h | javispedro: Just buy Arkanoid's famous Chinese watch phone |
| 14:25.07 | RST38h | javispedro: And impress them all you like, if they do not take you for an alien with that chunk of metal on your wrist |
| 14:25.25 | javispedro | and a talk time measured in minutes :) |
| 14:25.49 | SpeedEvil | ponders the total talk-time on his n900. |
| 14:26.03 | SpeedEvil | I think - over the 2 yearsish - it must be approaching 30. |
| 14:26.22 | javispedro | RST38h: ah, _that_ watch. |
| 14:26.53 | RST38h | javispedro: If you can stand MTK's chipset and atrocious localization |
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| 14:27.38 | javispedro | for some reason, weeks after I got rid of the gigantic Fossil PalmOS watch, geeky ugly gigantic watches started being fashionable |
| 14:28.11 | javispedro | e.g. http://i00.i.aliimg.com/photo/108065850/Tokyo_Flash_LED_Watch_Pimp_2_v0.summ.jpg |
| 14:28.13 | RST38h | Still using a Timex DataBank here. Not gigantic, but sufficiently geeky. |
| 14:32.41 | DocScrutinizer | ( <Sicelo> yeah, your tools page is most useful. i meant to ask what the 'apt-get remove mp-fremantle-generic-pr) updating/replacing stuff like libvte or hildon-desktop makes apt unhappy wrt mp-fremantle-generic-pr which includes those, so you can't use apt-get install anymore as it allways throws error about unmet dependencies that supposedly need to get fixed prior to any installation of new stuff. Removing the metapackage "fixes" that. |
| 14:32.42 | DocScrutinizer | In CSSU those problems are handled in another better way, and basically you neither need to do the dpkg -i modified-hildon-desktop_3.1_armel.deb nor the dpkg -i libvte4_0.16.14-0mh9.m5_armel.deb if you install CSSU, so you also don't need the apt-get remove mp-fremantle-generic-pr |
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| 14:35.57 | Sicelo | aha. thanks. will go CSSU later. |
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| 14:40.21 | rm_work | my watch is a Nokia cellphone |
| 14:40.27 | rm_work | that's pretty bulky |
| 14:40.31 | rm_work | It's a pocketwatch :P |
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| 14:46.44 | kevin_b | Ho damn, I format mmcblk0p1, and as device start I see that I format /home too |
| 14:47.07 | kevin_b | no locale, no hildon style... no UI |
| 14:47.14 | kevin_b | maemo screwed by /me |
| 14:47.56 | kevin_b | the fastest way to restore my home would be to reflash, right? |
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| 14:54.57 | rm_work | kevin_b: yeah probably |
| 14:55.13 | rm_work | you may need to reflash emmc image too, not sure |
| 14:55.18 | rm_work | or possibly JUST emmc |
| 14:55.23 | rm_work | i forget which one does what |
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| 15:10.50 | ShadowJK | if you only flash emmc you wipe themes locale icons etc |
| 15:11.08 | kevin_b | I dont't get it |
| 15:11.22 | kevin_b | so on mmcblk0p1 partition there was MyDocs |
| 15:11.32 | kevin_b | I didnt think I would screw the whole |
| 15:11.37 | kevin_b | emmc |
| 15:11.55 | kevin_b | "NOTE: Always flash the eMMC image first, then the FIASCO image immediately after that. Never boot up the device between flashing the FIASCO image and the eMMC image! When flashing eMMC always also flash FIASCO rootfs - NEVER boot the device between the two flashes." |
| 15:12.17 | kevin_b | If I want to reset back the eMMC, I need to flash rootfs as well? |
| 15:12.50 | ShadowJK | yes |
| 15:13.22 | ShadowJK | on first boot icons,themes,locale,fonts and a bunch of other stuff is moved from rootfs to emmc |
| 15:13.33 | ShadowJK | when you flash emmc you delete that |
| 15:13.52 | kevin_b | ok so I would just like to turn the fat MyDocs into ext3 |
| 15:14.01 | kevin_b | what should I do |
| 15:14.19 | Venemo_N950 | kevin_b, I can tell you |
| 15:14.23 | ShadowJK | i think people have instead enlarged /home and shrunk MyDocs |
| 15:14.28 | kevin_b | I did change the fstab, and mkds.ext3 /dev/mmcblk0p1 (after umounting well) |
| 15:14.40 | ShadowJK | fstab isn't used |
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| 15:15.22 | Venemo_N950 | boot with the rescue initrd (instructions in google), then activate mass storage mode, and then you can repartition it from your computer with gparted |
| 15:16.14 | kevin_b | so steps are : basic reflash, rescue mode and gparted |
| 15:16.26 | ShadowJK | Or if it is used, editing it does nothing as it gets created on boot again. I forget if the fstab is generated after mounting stuff to look like what just got mounted, or if it gets generated before calling mount -a. I have a hunch mount -a isn't used |
| 15:16.32 | Venemo_N950 | reflash not needed |
| 15:17.04 | Venemo_N950 | one thing to keep in mind is that the partition order is hardcoded into Maemo |
| 15:17.07 | edheldil | What is the best use for the expansion card, btw? Does it get utulised automagically or do I have to link something to it? |
| 15:17.17 | kevin_b | need to know : mmcblk0p1 is MyDocs right? |
| 15:17.21 | Venemo_N950 | so you will brick your device if you are not careful |
| 15:17.30 | ShadowJK | edheldil, you can put music and videos on the uSD |
| 15:18.01 | ShadowJK | it appears in file manager |
| 15:18.26 | edheldil | ah, so apart from that, apps leave it alone? |
| 15:18.39 | kevin_b | what I just dont get is why /home get empty as I though I only format mmcblk0p1 |
| 15:18.41 | ShadowJK | yes. Apps don't install to MyDocs either |
| 15:18.48 | kevin_b | this part contains /home? |
| 15:19.03 | ShadowJK | kevin_b: it probably bailed out when mounting MyDocs failed |
| 15:19.42 | ShadowJK | you can probably follow the process in the bootscripts |
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| 15:20.03 | ShadowJK | they got a bit messed up after people complained 50Megs isn't enough for apps... |
| 15:20.41 | NIN101 | nothing happens if it can not mount mmcblk0p1(besides a message in the yellow bar). |
| 15:21.41 | NIN101 | and there is usually no problem with unmounting /home/user/MyDocs and doing whatever you want with mmcblk0p1, e.g. making it ext3 |
| 15:21.46 | kevin_b | my problem now is more like, not mmcbk0 at all |
| 15:22.03 | kevin_b | groovy |
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| 15:27.51 | kevin_b | when maemo succeed to boot, plug usb, mass-storage enable lol |
| 15:28.06 | kevin_b | I just click on box characters |
| 15:28.16 | kevin_b | with some colorful square hildon |
| 15:28.21 | DocScrutinizer | GeneralAntilles: http://www.metawatch.org/metawatch_host_message_interface.pdf 3.3.13 has a unrelated button table, 3.3.13|14|15 use a reserved or unused payload of up to 26 bytes :-/ |
| 15:28.50 | kevin_b | anyway I can see the part which is mounted is /home/user in my linux box ... |
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| 15:29.10 | kevin_b | insane |
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| 15:50.31 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: how's the motorola watch less hackable? |
| 15:51.21 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: afaik it does not even have SDK, it just does a bit of hands free profile. |
| 15:51.55 | DocScrutinizer | err you must talk about something different then |
| 15:52.24 | javispedro | is there one with SDK? O_O |
| 15:52.29 | DocScrutinizer | probably I meant that TI watch, not moto |
| 15:52.34 | javispedro | ah |
| 15:52.35 | javispedro | yeah |
| 15:52.39 | javispedro | TI was quite nice |
| 15:52.41 | DocScrutinizer | msp430 iirc |
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| 15:52.47 | javispedro | and most hackable |
| 15:52.49 | javispedro | but no bluetooth. |
| 15:52.50 | DocScrutinizer | and cheap like hell |
| 15:52.56 | javispedro | it also has excellent battery life |
| 15:52.59 | DocScrutinizer | yoh no BT |
| 15:53.10 | javispedro | I was really considering getting one once |
| 15:53.15 | javispedro | but the TI logo is overkill :) |
| 15:53.17 | DocScrutinizer | too |
| 15:53.23 | javispedro | plus N-segment display |
| 15:53.30 | DocScrutinizer | :-/ |
| 15:54.25 | DocScrutinizer | I wonder if this metawatch can talk at all to normal BT, and what exactly is BT SSP |
| 15:54.37 | Venemo | javispedro, sorry, seems that I missed it - what are you talking about? :P |
| 15:54.49 | javispedro | Venemo: bluetooth watches |
| 15:55.00 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: metawatch is serial port profile according to docs |
| 15:55.16 | DocScrutinizer | lowpower BT? |
| 15:55.19 | javispedro | and the protocol is deadly simple "Update LCD line X with the following bitvector" |
| 15:55.33 | Venemo | ah. |
| 15:55.35 | javispedro | s/bitvector/bitmap ;) |
| 15:55.39 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: I already ate whole "datasheet" |
| 15:55.44 | DocScrutinizer | :-) |
| 15:55.47 | javispedro | :D |
| 15:55.55 | javispedro | I think there's a thousand use cases |
| 15:56.03 | javispedro | need to see the max refresh rate live though :P |
| 15:56.10 | DocScrutinizer | I'm concerned about BT SSP |
| 15:56.12 | javispedro | and how does it kill battery life |
| 15:56.36 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: they are targeting android devices. Our BT is way more flexible |
| 15:56.41 | DocScrutinizer | datasheet says BT is main bat killer |
| 15:56.52 | javispedro | ah, you mean that |
| 15:56.54 | javispedro | yeah :( |
| 15:58.24 | javispedro | I'd expect 12h even with continuously refreshing screen |
| 15:58.33 | javispedro | considering that other one with OLED that gets 7-8h |
| 15:58.46 | javispedro | but still pure speculation |
| 15:58.56 | DocScrutinizer | >> To improve battery life, the best practice of the phone should be to not load these Draw Buffers unless there is intent to switch modes when finished (Update Display / Change Modes message). Data loaded that is not used is battery life wasted.<< |
| 15:59.22 | javispedro | not surprising |
| 15:59.38 | javispedro | why upload a frame if you're never going to swap buffers? :) |
| 16:00.16 | javispedro | the fact they went double buffered makes me think the update speed over BT is low though |
| 16:00.25 | DocScrutinizer | >> Application mode should still have the same ability as Idle mode to have low power consumption and use low power modes when idle. Power will be mostly driven by network use for the interface.<< |
| 16:00.30 | slonopotamus | it'll still run 2h under full load and 1-2 days when not used :) |
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| 16:00.48 | slonopotamus | as almost all "mobile" devices do |
| 16:01.16 | javispedro | slonopotamus: sadly it's a rule thumb that has worked well in the past |
| 16:01.25 | javispedro | *of thumb |
| 16:02.26 | slonopotamus | well, some devices can sit powered on up to 1w when not used :) |
| 16:03.18 | DocScrutinizer | some watches can work up to 5 years from one battery ;-D |
| 16:03.40 | javispedro | the TI one also lasts a lot from what I've hear |
| 16:03.40 | javispedro | d |
| 16:03.46 | Venemo | and some devices can use 1 W on full load. |
| 16:03.57 | Venemo | see Model.ArticleCategory |
| 16:04.00 | Venemo | fuck |
| 16:04.02 | Venemo | clipboard |
| 16:04.06 | Venemo | see http://www.raspberrypi.org/ |
| 16:04.43 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: the metawatch seems to have vibrator, which makes me think it should last a lot when not used for excessive BT TX or vibra |
| 16:05.47 | javispedro | I am keeping an eye on the reviews |
| 16:05.49 | slonopotamus | hmm... vibra with bt control... :P |
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| 16:07.07 | DocScrutinizer | one thing's for sure: it makes for a damn nice multimedia remote control for N900 |
| 16:07.21 | javispedro | lack of touchscreen :( |
| 16:07.24 | Venemo_N950 | :D |
| 16:07.26 | DocScrutinizer | meh |
| 16:07.30 | DocScrutinizer | what for? |
| 16:07.41 | javispedro | but it does have way more buttons than the inPulse one which is why I prefer the metawatch atm |
| 16:07.47 | DocScrutinizer | there are 6some buttons it seems |
| 16:07.57 | DocScrutinizer | each with 3 levels of activation |
| 16:08.34 | DocScrutinizer | push, short hold, long hold |
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| 16:09.13 | ErwinJunge | Venemo: I want one of those! |
| 16:09.22 | DocScrutinizer | which makes a lot of sense regarding minimizing BT TX, when you think about it |
| 16:09.26 | dm8tbr | DocScrutinizer: I'm working on the liveview, much cheaper and much more available |
| 16:09.53 | dm8tbr | DocScrutinizer: mine shipped over night while metawatch is probably still battling their production delays... |
| 16:09.55 | javispedro | dm8tbr: and how hackable? |
| 16:09.56 | DocScrutinizer | that BT only wrist thingie? |
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| 16:10.33 | dm8tbr | javispedro: you can't run your completely own code on it (unless you replace the complete software) but it's hackable enough |
| 16:10.41 | dm8tbr | and there is python concept code I found |
| 16:11.14 | dm8tbr | yes, bt only, 4 touch buttons, 2 hw buttons, oled screen and vibra |
| 16:11.24 | javispedro | so like the inPulse then |
| 16:11.26 | DocScrutinizer | :nod: |
| 16:12.18 | dm8tbr | some guy took it apart and there is enough test points to probably reprogram the microcontroller if someone really cares... |
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| 16:13.36 | javispedro | not important, I'm more interested in whether I can use it with the N900 |
| 16:13.38 | javispedro | or N950 |
| 16:13.46 | javispedro | instead of whathever Android crap they ship |
| 16:14.56 | javispedro | The inPulse also does apps and the SDK is a ... C cross-compiler (win!) |
| 16:15.24 | javispedro | the MetaWatch not does apps but expects phone to refresh screen using ... pretty much standard SPP and documented commandset (win!) |
| 16:15.44 | dm8tbr | javispedro: for the liveview it looks very feasible to me. I just failed to get the python stuff to talk to the device yet from a laptop as proof of concept, others have though |
| 16:16.30 | javispedro | so someone is REing the protocol? |
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| 16:17.31 | javispedro | aha, I see: http://code.google.com/p/adqmisc/source/browse/trunk/liveview/LiveViewMessages.py |
| 16:18.35 | DocScrutinizer | >> A Kionix KXTF9 is accelerometer is included in the watch hardware. Motion events can be detected by setting it to wake up on orientation change, tap detection, or programming the accelerometerâs motion thresholds.<< |
| 16:19.07 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: surely you're going to hug the guys for making a non-polling driver ;) |
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| 16:19.16 | DocScrutinizer | indeed |
| 16:19.22 | DocScrutinizer | they knew their shit |
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| 16:21.04 | DocScrutinizer | regarding energy consumption / batery life; >> The usage of the accelerometer is highly application dependent. The amount of power used by the accelerometer would exceed the rest of the watch if it were left on continuously. For that reason, control of the accelerometer is left to the application.<< |
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| 16:22.32 | DocScrutinizer | :-) >> Button inputs are monitored by the background task. Button inputs are interrupt driven so that the button event is sent to the application and/or phone immediately after the button debounce time.<< |
| 16:23.07 | DocScrutinizer | see how you build a real power economic embedded hw/sw system! |
| 16:23.15 | DocScrutinizer | oops that's not #meego |
| 16:24.45 | javispedro | dm8tbr: what does happen to the Liveview if the phone goes off? |
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| 16:28.26 | javispedro | dreams about QML for smartwatches |
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| 16:29.36 | dm8tbr | javispedro: it is still a watch |
| 16:29.42 | dm8tbr | javispedro: but nothing besides that |
| 16:29.59 | javispedro | dm8tbr: so the entire menu of apps, etc. disappears? |
| 16:30.14 | javispedro | (note: I think it's a good thing, means phone has full control of device...) |
| 16:30.40 | javispedro | from the messages on that RE'd SDK, I fail to see how it works... |
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| 16:42.13 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: meh, N900 won't probably be able to connect to metawatch and a BT-headset same time |
| 16:42.37 | javispedro | that's a good point. |
| 16:42.48 | javispedro | but it's not a hw problem. |
| 16:43.37 | javispedro | remembers trying once two rfcomm sockets at the same time... don't remember if I succeded, but I guess I did. |
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| 16:54.45 | dm8tbr | javispedro: yes, if you press the hw button longer it tries to connect to the last BT device |
| 16:57.16 | GeneralAntilles | javispedro, https://github.com/travisgoodspeed/PyMetaWatch |
| 16:58.17 | dm8tbr | so it started shipping? |
| 17:01.12 | GeneralAntilles | dm8tbr, end of September according to TI's webstore. |
| 17:01.18 | GeneralAntilles | Guy's got a prototype |
| 17:02.16 | dm8tbr | GeneralAntilles: yeah, I keep getting their delay mails since may or so ;) |
| 17:02.21 | javispedro | uh, metawatch is TI too? |
| 17:02.31 | dm8tbr | yes |
| 17:03.23 | javispedro | as said the battery life on their previous one was _excellent_ |
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| 17:07.00 | javispedro | so I could believe their claims of 1 week.. |
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| 17:07.30 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: yoh, also TI |
| 17:09.05 | dm8tbr | when I don't connect the liveview by bt too often it also survives quite long. kind of defeats the purpose though ;D |
| 17:10.04 | javispedro | tradeoffs... |
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| 17:10.10 | javispedro | OLED color vs Monochrome |
| 17:10.35 | javispedro | now that seems that the Liveview is also hackable.... the only item left is battery life :) |
| 17:11.04 | javispedro | cause it seems that liveview is also much cheaper.. |
| 17:11.26 | DocScrutinizer | well, >>BT enabled, no headset connected +2 mA with ~1/5 time spikes to +9 mA<< http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Power_Consumption |
| 17:12.23 | DocScrutinizer | so I'm sure the BT chip in metawatch can standby on less than that |
| 17:12.36 | DocScrutinizer | CBA to dig out the ds |
| 17:13.11 | DocScrutinizer | CC2560 |
| 17:13.18 | DocScrutinizer | ^^^BT chip |
| 17:13.37 | javispedro | whoa, the Liveview could be mine for â¬50, including shipping costs |
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| 17:13.49 | javispedro | impulse buy range warning |
| 17:14.18 | DocScrutinizer | I lie: Can be arsed ;-P http://focus.ti.com/pdfs/wtbu/cc2560_slyt377.pdf |
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| 17:15.02 | Khertan | hello all ! |
| 17:15.18 | DocScrutinizer | Ultra-low-power scan 135 µA 1.28-second interval |
| 17:15.26 | dm8tbr | javispedro: that is EXACTLY what happened to me ;) |
| 17:15.53 | dm8tbr | javispedro: had to shell out 60ecu though for the luxury of living in finland ;) |
| 17:15.53 | DocScrutinizer | so I'm not going to visit that page then |
| 17:15.55 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
| 17:16.29 | DocScrutinizer | as I'm sure I prefer the metawatch |
| 17:17.12 | javispedro | floats mouse pointer over the buy button |
| 17:17.59 | javispedro | dm8tbr: so how's the battery life? |
| 17:18.23 | dm8tbr | DocScrutinizer: I did until they started delaying and delaying and I realized the liveview is much cheaper |
| 17:18.50 | dm8tbr | javispedro: uhm no idea, but I guess the fact that I barely remember how often I have to recharge it is quite telling |
| 17:19.08 | javispedro | have to say that: a) as long as I can send bitmaps from the phone b) as long as it gets more than two days of "BT use" it's fine for me. |
| 17:19.14 | dm8tbr | but caveat emptor: this is mostly without being bt connected |
| 17:19.32 | DocScrutinizer | dm8tbr: according to my bank account and also according to my general rules about getting hardware just because it's "nice", I won't see either on my desk |
| 17:19.59 | javispedro | hey, I've been considering _analog_ clocks as replacement for my casio that are â¬30 |
| 17:20.22 | dm8tbr | DocScrutinizer: desk would be the wrong place anyway, watches belong on the wrist ;) |
| 17:20.30 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 17:20.30 | dm8tbr | but yeah I can relate to that |
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| 17:21.39 | javispedro | in fact, the official watchband replacement for my current casio clock is eur30 (more than the clock itself), which is the reason I was considering replacing the entire watch... |
| 17:22.00 | DocScrutinizer | hmm |
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| 17:24.13 | javispedro | dm8tbr: according to the engadget review it doesn't have its own RTC? makes no sense |
| 17:24.14 | DocScrutinizer | there's been a time in the 70 and then again in the mid 80 when I loved wrist watches, first Seiko, then in the 80s good digital watches. I think though I quit with the custom to wear any wrist watch, since I got another gadget on me |
| 17:24.41 | dm8tbr | javispedro: if you shut it down completely it needs a resync over BT |
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| 17:24.57 | dm8tbr | javispedro: as long as you don't do that it works quite fine |
| 17:25.01 | javispedro | no wonder it's cheap, a watch without RTC! =) |
| 17:25.44 | DocScrutinizer | see why I'd prefer metawatch nevertheless? :-D |
| 17:25.58 | javispedro | yeah |
| 17:26.05 | javispedro | it's nicer. |
| 17:26.05 | dm8tbr | sure, it's the shinier gadget |
| 17:26.20 | dm8tbr | availability and price got me... |
| 17:26.44 | javispedro | but I look at my current über scratched watch with a broken band |
| 17:27.03 | javispedro | think of $200 vs eur50 |
| 17:27.07 | javispedro | well.. |
| 17:27.31 | javispedro | the band on the liveview also looks ultra cheap |
| 17:27.49 | DocScrutinizer | 138.50⬠|
| 17:28.11 | javispedro | plus shipping :) |
| 17:29.09 | DocScrutinizer | metawatch got leather band |
| 17:30.15 | DocScrutinizer | >>One digital display watch with stainless steel case; mineral crystal lens; leather strap. Programming/charging clip & micro USB cable<< |
| 17:31.23 | DocScrutinizer | water resistant up to 3ATM |
| 17:31.24 | dm8tbr | liveview: plastic case, plastic lens, stretch velcro strap, clip, micro-usb foo |
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| 17:31.57 | javispedro | TI are stupid |
| 17:32.08 | javispedro | "your TI-pass has not been renewed by your Administrator." |
| 17:32.22 | DocScrutinizer | errrwhat? |
| 17:32.31 | javispedro | I know that you idiots. Do I really need to sign the NDAs AGAIN just to buy something from your store? |
| 17:32.50 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: my account was created around a year ago beacuse of some powervr drivers bullshit |
| 17:32.51 | DocScrutinizer | LOL |
| 17:33.08 | DocScrutinizer | clear your cookies |
| 17:33.20 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, MetaWatch looks nicer, though. |
| 17:33.28 | javispedro | seems that the NDA expired (not that I gained any knowledge you don't know about it) so they decided to block my account |
| 17:33.59 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: not a local client, it's not the first time I see this |
| 17:34.13 | DocScrutinizer | hmmm |
| 17:34.14 | GeneralAntilles | didn't. |
| 17:34.14 | javispedro | last time I even sent them an email about. |
| 17:34.20 | DocScrutinizer | https://estore.ti.com/MSP-WDS430BT2000D-Bluetooth-Wearable-Watch-development-system-with-Digital-display-P2447.aspx |
| 17:34.45 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: I can see that fine, I just can't get passed the ckecout page. |
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| 17:34.48 | javispedro | *pass |
| 17:35.08 | DocScrutinizer | dang |
| 17:35.19 | DocScrutinizer | must be cookies, what else? |
| 17:35.48 | javispedro | as said it has happened on a different computer |
| 17:36.09 | javispedro | it's a problem with my account. |
| 17:36.12 | GeneralAntilles | Create a new account? |
| 17:36.28 | DocScrutinizer | MEH!!! |
| 17:36.28 | javispedro | and another email alias, and ... |
| 17:36.34 | DocScrutinizer | >> |
| 17:36.36 | DocScrutinizer | Oops! |
| 17:36.37 | DocScrutinizer | An unexpected error has occurred. The error message has been recorded for the system administrator. We apologize for the inconvenience. |
| 17:36.39 | DocScrutinizer | << |
| 17:38.16 | DocScrutinizer | you can't add to chart the metawatch, it seems |
| 17:39.49 | DocScrutinizer | "available Sept 29th" is sufficient to let you know it's nonsense to click on "add to chart" |
| 17:40.05 | javispedro | was just doing it to calculate shipping costs |
| 17:40.17 | DocScrutinizer | waves and wanders off getting tobacco |
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| 17:41.57 | DocScrutinizer | mumbles "hey, your birthday is like 9 months away" |
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| 17:42.23 | GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer, #maemo isn't buying you a MetaWatch. |
| 17:42.34 | javispedro | hey, mine is relatively sooner :) |
| 17:42.48 | DocScrutinizer | I'm used to buying gifts for myself |
| 17:43.25 | GeneralAntilles | Hey, mine is only 6 weeks away! |
| 17:43.56 | javispedro | mine is less than 3 :) |
| 17:44.02 | GeneralAntilles | Damn! |
| 17:44.06 | GeneralAntilles | Wait, no. |
| 17:44.08 | GeneralAntilles | Excellent! |
| 17:44.10 | javispedro | yeah :( |
| 17:44.23 | javispedro | you get a metawatch right on the launch date :) |
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| 17:45.55 | javispedro | oh |
| 17:46.11 | javispedro | the LiveView's screen turns off after inactivity? |
| 17:46.16 | dm8tbr | yes |
| 17:46.21 | javispedro | bummer |
| 17:46.33 | dm8tbr | first it dimms then it turns off |
| 17:46.51 | dm8tbr | but it's easy enough to push the button to get it on |
| 17:46.52 | GeneralAntilles | It's like an N900! |
| 17:46.54 | javispedro | no wonder they talk about 4days |
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| 17:47.25 | dm8tbr | well oled is low power, but would probably not survive _that_ long with that tiny battery |
| 17:48.43 | Khertan | oh didn't know the existance of metawatch |
| 17:48.50 | Khertan | i like the design |
| 17:49.07 | Khertan | bt is the only connectivity ? |
| 17:49.19 | GeneralAntilles | USB clip |
| 17:49.23 | GeneralAntilles | For JTAG etc |
| 17:50.24 | Khertan | yep but the only one for wireless connectivity. no wifi for example |
| 17:50.39 | Khertan | yeah i know i m a network geek |
| 17:50.51 | GeneralAntilles | dependent on phone |
| 17:51.58 | Khertan | yeah require a phone |
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| 17:54.56 | Khertan | but i like the concept |
| 17:55.05 | Khertan | ~ping |
| 17:55.05 | infobot | ~pong |
| 17:56.34 | Khertan | auto lock office computer when too far away from it |
| 17:56.38 | Khertan | same for phone |
| 17:56.40 | Khertan | :) |
| 17:57.26 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah |
| 17:57.34 | GeneralAntilles | I'd like BT proximity stuff to actually work. |
| 17:58.16 | dm8tbr | I'd like to see more cool rfid/nfc stuff |
| 17:58.32 | dm8tbr | the problem I see with it though is the total lack of security so far |
| 17:59.23 | GeneralAntilles | and total lack of reliability. |
| 17:59.30 | GeneralAntilles | I've never had Bluetooth manage to work well. |
| 17:59.41 | GeneralAntilles | Had another Bluetooth related kernel panic on my desktop last night, actually. |
| 17:59.45 | Khertan | hum look like an other fossil watch |
| 17:59.47 | Khertan | for geek |
| 17:59.47 | Khertan | it s not yet available right ? |
| 17:59.47 | Khertan | stupid isp phone block pdf download ... grr |
| 17:59.47 | Khertan | nfc can be secure ... depends of protocol used |
| 18:00.00 | GeneralAntilles | Khertan, shipping end of September. |
| 18:00.19 | GeneralAntilles | Probably going to be a tad large for my wrist. . . . |
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| 18:02.16 | Khertan | saying nfc isn t secure is like saying tcp isn t secure |
| 18:02.24 | dm8tbr | Khertan: problem is that secure element is not widely used |
| 18:02.42 | dm8tbr | yes if you want security you have to build it on top |
| 18:02.55 | RST38h | Meanwhile: The Chinese want to capture an asteroid into earth's orbit and mine it. |
| 18:03.06 | dm8tbr | there is IPsec below TCP ;) |
| 18:04.37 | Khertan | GeneralAntilles, generally all fossil geek watch have hugh size |
| 18:04.37 | Khertan | i remember my wristpda |
| 18:04.37 | Khertan | i hope this time battery will be better |
| 18:04.37 | Khertan | as wristpda need a recharge every 8hours |
| 18:04.37 | Khertan | ~ping |
| 18:04.37 | infobot | ~pong |
| 18:04.55 | javispedro | PalmOS rulez! |
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| 18:06.50 | javispedro | Metawatch "Designed in Texas", sure. |
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| 18:14.50 | javispedro | sighs at http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1104350651/tiktok-lunatik-multi-touch-watch-kits |
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| 20:29.31 | NIN101 | TimmyT: It seems that atm we are on our own. However, this thread contains useful information on how to get rid of the DigiNotar certificate. Also some guy in this thread who wrote to nokia says they are working on an update. |
| 20:29.35 | NIN101 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=76178 |
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| 21:47.23 | DocScrutinizer | ~botsnack |
| 21:47.23 | infobot | aw, gee, DocScrutinizer |
| 21:47.53 | DocScrutinizer | security updates? o.O |
| 21:48.00 | DocScrutinizer | BWAHAHAHA |
| 21:49.33 | DocScrutinizer | points at ~597 security warning notifications from adobe about *all* version of flash <${someversion > maemo's vesion} |
| 21:50.14 | DocScrutinizer | fails to see any security update for flash, ever, on fremantle |
| 22:03.15 | DocScrutinizer | LOL on quote and comment in http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1079618&postcount=15 |
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| 23:09.50 | SpeedEvil | 'Hello Dear, |
| 23:09.50 | SpeedEvil | My name is Lilian. i saw your email today at maemo.org as i was searching for a good friend, and i will like us to be friends. therefore contact me with my email address ( lilianbaliyu@yahoo.com) so that i will tell you more about me and also send you my pic as soon as you contact me back.; |
| 23:09.55 | SpeedEvil | Haha |
| 23:10.01 | SpeedEvil | That's novel. |
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| 23:10.55 | DocScrutinizer | dude, I was about to grab the banhammer :-P |
| 23:11.34 | razzlez | Hello! I have a Nokia N900 Phone and while dowloading something via wlan at home my wlan crashes. the router is a TP-LINK TD-W8920G |
| 23:11.55 | DocScrutinizer | Pali_: ask MohammadAG |
| 23:12.01 | SpeedEvil | razzlez: you mean the wlan stops working totally, or it fails on the n900? |
| 23:12.20 | Pali_ | ok |
| 23:12.41 | razzlez | SpeedEvil: the router crashes and restarts |
| 23:12.48 | Pali_ | I have some news for n900 u-boot: I added support for on screen boot menu |
| 23:12.51 | DocScrutinizer | or what exactly was your question about uBoot? |
| 23:13.05 | Pali_ | rebase patches on top of u-boot master |
| 23:13.22 | DocScrutinizer | nfc, ask moh ;-D |
| 23:13.43 | DocScrutinizer | I thought uBoot always had support for onscreen menu? |
| 23:14.15 | Pali_ | bootmenu like maemo multiboot: with cursor keys and configure actions |
| 23:14.26 | DocScrutinizer | err wut? |
| 23:14.47 | Pali_ | it has menu entry like grub or lilo... |
| 23:15.12 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, it's in file boot.scr on first FAT partition |
| 23:15.34 | DocScrutinizer | afaik |
| 23:15.50 | Pali_ | yes, but this is other |
| 23:15.56 | Pali_ | but I added other patches |
| 23:16.07 | DocScrutinizer | why? |
| 23:16.16 | Pali_ | fixed keymap, watchdog reset |
| 23:16.41 | DocScrutinizer | afk |
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| 23:19.58 | Pali_ | ping MohammadAG |
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| 23:27.53 | DocScrutinizer | watchdog handling been implemented in uBoot since long time afaik. Needs enabling |
| 23:30.09 | DocScrutinizer | fixing keymap sounds like a really great thing (if it wasn't OK) - nothing is more annoying than a hw kbd that's useless as the mapping is broken or incomplete |
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| 23:31.27 | DocScrutinizer | uBoot's help cmd is a joke |
| 23:32.00 | Pali_ | watchdog, was only disabled. I added reset watchdog function (kick watchdog in every cca 2-3s) |
| 23:32.12 | DocScrutinizer | maybe with 2 words per line it would not scroll off the screen |
| 23:33.11 | Pali_ | i tried to find problem why usbtty break kernel, but without success |
| 23:34.00 | Pali_ | my current code is here: http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pali/u-boot.git (based on old rx51 patches) |
| 23:34.07 | DocScrutinizer | hah, USB. the musb_hdrc driver is a nightmare and for sure doesn't fit into uBoot |
| 23:36.15 | Pali_ | usbtty - cdc_acm working fine, but when I booted maemo kernel, dsme start rebooting and I got always kernel panic (when device entered reboot state) |
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