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| 00:27.35 | x29a | docScrutinizer: believe it or not, i got the sdk up, compiled the mobility source and its working |
| 00:28.32 | DocScrutinizer | yup, installing apps/pkgs that are not optified can cause this. Another good place to look for files to delete/move is /tmp/ and /var/log/ |
| 00:30.19 | DocScrutinizer | Primes: keep in mind though that rootfs is ubifs, and that fs seems to have some sort of delayed delete action with garbarge collection, I.E. odds are that after a boot you find some space on / recovered |
| 00:31.37 | DocScrutinizer | though I wouldn't rely on only this, as you'll end with a bootloop and have to reflash rootfs if the space recovered by boot isn't sufficient for the system's requirements during boot |
| 00:32.05 | DocScrutinizer | so better make sure you got some MB free space prior to rebooting |
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| 01:01.48 | Primes | NIN101 yes I installed a lot of apps, but with zero space I could not dpkg --configure -a. Now I made some space I was able to uninstall a few |
| 01:02.11 | Primes | I moved the ovi maps and microb into /opt |
| 01:02.46 | Primes | Thanks docscrutinizer I'm trying a reboot too |
| 01:04.43 | NIN101 | n8 |
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| 01:15.33 | kakashi_ | hi, i have a situation |
| 01:15.41 | kakashi_ | I using the latest maemo on n900 |
| 01:15.59 | kakashi_ | how do I switch the apmd on |
| 01:16.04 | kakashi_ | from the terminal? |
| 01:17.58 | kakashi_ | DocScrutinizer: ^^ if you are free |
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| 01:28.04 | SpeedEvil | apmd? |
| 01:28.38 | SpeedEvil | apm is a historical powersaving solution, not used anymore on PCs since the 90s. |
| 01:28.56 | SpeedEvil | There is no APM in the n900 at all. |
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| 01:33.40 | ShadowJK | one of the replacement battery icon shit has a "apmd" I think |
| 01:33.42 | ShadowJK | not sure |
| 01:34.11 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
| 01:34.43 | ShadowJK | I think the solution was to uninstall/reinstall that |
| 01:34.52 | ShadowJK | or just uninstall it |
| 01:35.24 | DocScrutinizer | solution for what? |
| 01:35.46 | kakashi_ | yep |
| 01:35.57 | DocScrutinizer | yep? |
| 01:36.00 | kakashi_ | it was something called advanced-power |
| 01:36.06 | kakashi_ | dumb dumb app :( |
| 01:36.06 | DocScrutinizer | duh |
| 01:36.22 | kakashi_ | btw, one question - I cant automatically set the time |
| 01:36.26 | kakashi_ | is there a fix? |
| 01:36.29 | DocScrutinizer | is this THAT "app" of THAT guy?? |
| 01:36.57 | DocScrutinizer | oh no THAT app was power-optimizer or sth like that |
| 01:37.03 | kakashi_ | DocScrutinizer: yes, which mentions apmd as the missing link |
| 01:37.10 | GAN900 | THAT guy? |
| 01:37.37 | kakashi_ | well, I just did apt-get install --reinstall advanced-power |
| 01:37.40 | kakashi_ | and it worked |
| 01:37.43 | DocScrutinizer | the guy that *sells* sqlite3 evacuate |
| 01:37.51 | GAN900 | lol |
| 01:38.04 | nox- | sqlite3 what? :) |
| 01:38.13 | DocScrutinizer | vacuum? |
| 01:38.21 | nox- | rofl |
| 01:38.22 | kakashi_ | how does the time and date - set automatically work? which timeserver does it contact? |
| 01:38.23 | DocScrutinizer | whatever |
| 01:38.23 | GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, umad 'cause he better at monetizing than you. |
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| 01:38.44 | DocScrutinizer | YES!! |
| 01:38.50 | DocScrutinizer | ;-P |
| 01:38.51 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 01:39.15 | dangergrrl | so if i have nothing but my n900 and need sasl i guess i need gcc... sigh |
| 01:39.31 | DocScrutinizer | kakashi_: it's done via GSM |
| 01:39.43 | ShadowJK | kakashi_, it gets it from cellular network, if and when your operator sends time update |
| 01:39.47 | DocScrutinizer | GSM sends time msgs |
| 01:39.56 | kakashi_ | is there a way I can monitor that? |
| 01:40.07 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, maybe |
| 01:40.14 | DocScrutinizer | dbus might have sth |
| 01:40.22 | DocScrutinizer | syslog might have sth |
| 01:40.36 | DocScrutinizer | of course you could strace cellmo*d |
| 01:40.46 | DocScrutinizer | or whatever that part is called |
| 01:40.52 | kakashi_ | hmm |
| 01:40.54 | ShadowJK | with one operator i have card for, time msg only gets sent when establishing gprs connection |
| 01:41.09 | DocScrutinizer | weird |
| 01:41.35 | kakashi_ | ShadowJK: unfortunately it doesn't work that way here, I restarted the device for something, but the time still has not changed |
| 01:41.36 | kakashi_ | :( |
| 01:41.47 | nox- | there also is at least one gps tool that sets the clock |
| 01:41.53 | kakashi_ | oh! |
| 01:42.04 | DocScrutinizer | *maybe* you could even convince pnatd to tel you, when you know the right AT command and pnatd supports it |
| 01:42.05 | kakashi_ | nox-: name/link or some |
| 01:42.13 | nox- | grabs n900 |
| 01:42.27 | dangergrrl | nox: i need :) |
| 01:42.39 | nox- | i think gps recorder is it |
| 01:43.20 | DocScrutinizer | kakashi_: have you actually enabled automatic setting of time in settings->date&time ? |
| 01:43.34 | kakashi_ | yes, I have |
| 01:43.44 | nox- | yeah its gps recorder |
| 01:43.48 | kakashi_ | aha |
| 01:43.56 | dangergrrl | i know gpsjinni will not set the clock, i set the clock manually from it in the forest |
| 01:44.04 | dangergrrl | nox: thx |
| 01:44.27 | nox- | (it said my clock was off -2s) |
| 01:44.43 | kakashi_ | o_O |
| 01:44.47 | DocScrutinizer | dang, you'd think you could set up/configure the system to get GPS time for a stratum1 local server whenever available |
| 01:45.19 | DocScrutinizer | a pity maemo is so crippled, compared to a "real linux" like e.g. SHR |
| 01:45.39 | nox- | well gprs/3g latencies are not too good for ntp... |
| 01:45.54 | nox- | or shall i say jitter |
| 01:46.22 | DocScrutinizer | ntp should compensate jitter |
| 01:46.28 | DocScrutinizer | and RTT |
| 01:46.33 | nox- | mhm |
| 01:47.07 | nox- | mobile connections may fluctuate more than it can handle |
| 01:47.16 | DocScrutinizer | hmm |
| 01:48.00 | DocScrutinizer | the main problem is ntp doesn't play nice with intermittent connectivity |
| 01:48.25 | nox- | well yeah that too |
| 01:48.42 | DocScrutinizer | and isn't really optimized for power savings, I.E. assumes CPU usage is for free |
| 01:48.51 | nox- | *nod* |
| 01:49.20 | DocScrutinizer | on an embedded device it's crazy to sync time every 11 minutes |
| 01:49.41 | kakashi_ | nox-: I can't find it :( |
| 01:50.05 | kakashi_ | nox-: can you please tell me its package name |
| 01:50.31 | DocScrutinizer | http://maemo.org/packages/view/gpsrecorder/ |
| 01:50.52 | DocScrutinizer | http://maemo.org/packages/ |
| 01:51.04 | nox- | yeah that |
| 01:52.55 | jpinx | is there not a setting for the clock to be updated by the mobile network? |
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| 01:53.25 | DocScrutinizer | yes, see backscroll |
| 01:53.52 | jpinx | ok - just woke up.. :| |
| 01:54.26 | DocScrutinizer | np, just look ~80..100 lines up |
| 01:55.04 | jpinx | hates scrollng on n900 screen ;) |
| 01:55.18 | jpinx | but yes - I see it. |
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| 02:01.14 | DocScrutinizer | nox-: I guess a nice script using ntpd -qddgf /dev/null plus some goodies to determine if there's any connection to internet at all, plus a hwclock --systohc if ntpd succeeded, and cal that via alarmed once or twice a day, maybe also from ifup - that should do a way better job than a standard ntpd install |
| 02:01.42 | nox- | yeah or maybe just an ntpdate from cron |
| 02:01.50 | nox- | or, gps :) |
| 02:02.00 | DocScrutinizer | ntpdate is no more, cron never existed on maemo |
| 02:02.11 | nox- | heh |
| 02:02.38 | DocScrutinizer | actually I hate they killed ntpdate |
| 02:02.56 | DocScrutinizer | as ntpd -q has no way to just _display_ the ntp date |
| 02:03.58 | DocScrutinizer | I frequently used to do a "date;hwclock;ntpdate;date" to see what's up with my different time sources |
| 02:04.09 | DocScrutinizer | can't do that no more :-( |
| 02:05.41 | DocScrutinizer | ooh btw don't forget the --noadjfile parameter when you do the hwclock --systohc |
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| 02:07.46 | jpinx | nokia developers forum hacked? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-14706810 |
| 02:07.54 | DocScrutinizer | though this situation where you do hwclock --systohc directly after a successful ntpdate that sets system clock correctly is the only reasonable way to handle adjtime file, I still think you're usually better off not using it at all |
| 02:08.04 | DocScrutinizer | jpinx: yep |
| 02:08.26 | DocScrutinizer | http://wl4.peer360.com/b/56X1kFsJFLMffLIHk63Y/main.asp?hl=110921339&r=CBCEBBJ |
| 02:08.44 | jpinx | from the article it looks like the devs emails got lifted.. |
| 02:08.45 | DocScrutinizer | <-NOKIA |
| 02:09.09 | jpinx | bows deeply :) |
| 02:09.11 | DocScrutinizer | the addr's |
| 02:10.35 | dangergrrl | so, is there an n950? |
| 02:10.36 | jpinx | hmm .. confirms my old habits of using throw-away email addresses ;) |
| 02:10.37 | DocScrutinizer | well at least it looks like NOKIA |
| 02:10.53 | DocScrutinizer | and the page doesn't seem to be any fishing |
| 02:11.25 | jpinx | DocScrutinizer: looks straight up - did you chase down the links to see more? |
| 02:11.37 | DocScrutinizer | throw away email addr for throw away N950 device? |
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| 02:11.55 | DocScrutinizer | err sorry? |
| 02:12.04 | DocScrutinizer | chase down links? |
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| 02:13.01 | dangergrrl | i've been offline a while there was a fcc test in may... |
| 02:13.13 | jpinx | DocScrutinizer: yes - the one link there is to http://www.horizonmarketing.com/ |
| 02:13.46 | DocScrutinizer | meh, I'm not interested in peer360's other products |
| 02:14.15 | jpinx | is peer360 for real? |
| 02:14.45 | DocScrutinizer | it's been the "from:" of Nokia's developer newsletters for many years |
| 02:15.17 | jpinx | anyway . just goes to show that there is no such thing as "secure" ;) |
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| 02:15.39 | DocScrutinizer | on devel.nokia.com? haha |
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| 02:17.46 | DocScrutinizer | dangergrrl: fcc test? |
| 02:19.40 | dangergrrl | some device that was made public at the end of june but i have been travelling |
| 02:21.45 | DocScrutinizer | well that's been either N950 or N9. So what's about it? |
| 02:23.14 | DocScrutinizer | aah, >>[2011-08-30 04:10:35] <dangergrrl> so, is there an n950?<< missed that. Yes there are N950, one in front of me ;-) |
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| 02:24.03 | DocScrutinizer | alas it will never be available to purchase it |
| 02:24.30 | dangergrrl | oh cool... worth my lust? |
| 02:24.45 | DocScrutinizer | Nokia gave out 300 to community developers. They are clearly tagged as "developer device" and that's the whole story |
| 02:25.32 | dangergrrl | they will never be for sale? |
| 02:25.36 | DocScrutinizer | nope |
| 02:25.59 | luke-jr | dangergrrl: doesn't sound like we're missing much |
| 02:26.14 | DocScrutinizer | at least that's the rumour and common conclusion |
| 02:26.34 | dangergrrl | i was told in advance to plan disappointment |
| 02:28.00 | dangergrrl | thinking of a homebrew tablet based on pandaboard |
| 02:29.22 | DocScrutinizer | there are so many 8" tablets now |
| 02:30.11 | DocScrutinizer | why bother DIY? |
| 02:30.42 | dangergrrl | maybe i won't |
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| 07:42.05 | chrisboff | does anyone here know about audio routing configuration on the n900 if so I'd be grateful if you could help me with this problem: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1078082 |
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| 07:55.40 | cityLights | mobile hotspot no longer work after power kernel upgrade |
| 07:55.43 | cityLights | https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=6969&group_id=1113&atid=4168 |
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| 08:03.23 | cityLights | well, is rambo here? |
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| 08:13.52 | markinfo | ist there a possibility with activated data on 3G to turn nokia N900 in wifi Accesspoint? |
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| 08:17.01 | psycho_oreos | depends on which software you use, the wifi hotspot would probably prompt you which connection to use if you have not set one up |
| 08:17.26 | cityLights | how can I roll back to kernel power 47 ? |
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| 08:18.23 | psycho_oreos | maybe something like apt-get install kernel-power=47 |
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| 08:18.25 | psycho_oreos | err |
| 08:18.44 | psycho_oreos | apt-get install kernel-power=2.6.28-10power47 ... something like that |
| 08:19.00 | markinfo | psycho_oreos, sorry - i do not understand. - why should wifi hotspot to ask for a connection? |
| 08:19.36 | cityLights | E: Version '2.6.28-10power47' for 'kernel-power' was not found |
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| 08:20.32 | psycho_oreos | markinfo, because it needs another connection to (usually) provide internet. Lots of people use their smartphones these days as a `tethered' modem, and so wifi hotspot is like the next step up which doesn't actually require cables between the computer and the smartphone (or device in this case) |
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| 08:22.07 | markinfo | psycho_oreos, And? That is. I have 3G Data von mobile provider - and a fast notebook (not a slow ARM CPU in n900) |
| 08:22.17 | psycho_oreos | If you're looking for a specific use case, such as to just setup an ad-hoc connection whilst not having the said device using any other form of connection to access internet, etc. You need to do it by hand as afaik most wifi hotspot programs are generally used to share internet |
| 08:23.16 | psycho_oreos | markinfo, I don't understand what your intention is, wifi hotspot would hardly bog down N900 if you don't have unnecessary crap installed |
| 08:23.44 | psycho_oreos | if you still want to complain about N900's slow ARM, there's always the usual USB tethering route |
| 08:23.58 | cityLights | apt-get install kernel-power=1:2.6.28-10power47 |
| 08:24.14 | cityLights | and how to install all the deps? |
| 08:25.02 | psycho_oreos | probably do it using similar commands as that but in the right order. |
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| 08:29.42 | chem|st | cityLights: All hands abandon ship! |
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| 08:51.19 | markinfo | http://wiki.maemo.org/Firefox_mobile there is description about Firefox mobile but nowhere how to instal that. |
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| 08:52.22 | markinfo | simply donwload package fennec.deb from http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/mobile/repos/trunk_en-US/dists/fremantle/extras/binary-armel/ and then dpkg -i fenec.deb? |
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| 08:57.18 | psycho_oreos | I think its a little more than just installing the deb file for fennec, and why would want to install that? it takes ~2 minutes to load up on a `slow' N900 (taking things into account such as running anything else in the background that would use a fair amount of processes |
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| 08:57.28 | psycho_oreos | s/processes/CPU load/ |
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| 09:00.49 | markinfo | because I would like to have browser which is at leaset |
| 09:01.04 | markinfo | least a bit HTML5 able. |
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| 09:12.51 | markinfo | Firefox should be installable from http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/mobile/ but Iis there a version for Maemo? |
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| 09:13.40 | markinfo | can it be installed over android market? |
| 09:14.08 | markinfo | oh- there is a special page: Firefox.com/m |
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| 09:36.44 | DocScrutinizer | cityLights: to "roll back" you need to do a full install of the new kernel, I.E. install the holy threefold of kernel&modules&flasher |
| 09:36.52 | DocScrutinizer | otherwise bootloop |
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| 09:43.08 | cityLights | thank you very much |
| 09:43.10 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: moo |
| 09:43.26 | cityLights | I only did the kernel and modules |
| 09:43.37 | chem|st | cityLights: what did you need kernel-power for? |
| 09:44.24 | DocScrutinizer | chem|st: moo |
| 09:44.30 | chem|st | ;) |
| 09:44.40 | DocScrutinizer | chem|st: for mobile hotspot |
| 09:44.53 | DocScrutinizer | doesn't work with 48 |
| 09:45.21 | DocScrutinizer | somebody should pester pali to fix that |
| 09:45.33 | Sicelo | cityLights: otherwise 48 worked fine, besides the hotspot thing? |
| 09:45.43 | cityLights | chem|st: mobile hotspot |
| 09:46.16 | cityLights | yes I can boot and use the kernel |
| 09:46.53 | markinfo | i have downloaded link from http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/m/ ..then starts DownloadManager and it says Download of "fennec" is not possible. Programm package was not found. |
| 09:47.13 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: again thinking about a week/WE in büttelbronn/langenaltheim where are you at again?! |
| 09:47.27 | chem|st | cityLights: so useful as a cat pissing in my car! |
| 09:47.41 | DocScrutinizer | ~weather EDDN |
| 09:47.59 | chem|st | downtown or suburbs? |
| 09:48.11 | DocScrutinizer | downtown |
| 09:49.21 | chem|st | I'll talk to a friend, his parents are downtown too and have a appleranch near Langenaltheim |
| 09:49.35 | DocScrutinizer | :-) |
| 09:49.48 | markinfo | this download Link shows at http://moff.mozilla.com/latest/maemo/multi/dists/fremantle/release/binary-armel/ and there seems to be a data. |
| 09:50.17 | markinfo | there is fennec_6.0_armel.deb |
| 09:50.59 | DocScrutinizer | chem|st: cityLights: how about USB hostmode and mounting of iso9660 et al? |
| 09:51.30 | chem|st | ^^ |
| 09:51.42 | DocScrutinizer | on 48 |
| 09:51.53 | markinfo | could be problem that File Packages.gz is empty there? |
| 09:52.03 | DocScrutinizer | I mean it's unlikely the kernel wouldn't even boot, no |
| 09:52.29 | chem|st | I could care less... neither my desktop nor my netbook nor my mobile need "CD" or "DVD" support anymore so not even a dvd device |
| 09:53.09 | DocScrutinizer | well PK48 actually needs support for all that |
| 09:53.22 | chem|st | PK48? |
| 09:53.26 | DocScrutinizer | and it's been missing in either 46 or 47 |
| 09:53.32 | chem|st | kernelpower 48? |
| 09:53.49 | DocScrutinizer | kernel-power aka powerkernel |
| 09:53.51 | chem|st | ok |
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| 09:54.28 | DocScrutinizer | kernel-power like grape-sweet or car-green |
| 09:55.01 | DocScrutinizer | or kernel-stock |
| 09:55.03 | chem|st | my device is used productive so no use of keyboard or mice attached or other useless stuff in day2day use |
| 09:55.23 | DocScrutinizer | so what is this telling me? |
| 09:55.38 | chem|st | oxymorons are always wellcome! |
| 09:55.54 | DocScrutinizer | can I deduce from that if PK48 has more flaws than just netfilters not supported? |
| 09:57.12 | chem|st | kernel-power will power down? sure as hell it will not "em"power! |
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| 09:58.59 | DocScrutinizer | ~poweruser |
| 09:59.09 | DocScrutinizer | thought as much |
| 09:59.16 | DocScrutinizer | ~dict poweruser |
| 09:59.26 | DocScrutinizer | ~wiki poweruser |
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| 10:00.00 | Sicelo | 11:55 < chem|st> my device is used productive so no use of keyboard or mice attached or other useless stuff in day2day use |
| 10:00.35 | Sicelo | lol, h-e-n is not useless at all.. |
| 10:01.40 | Sicelo | my n900 is being used productively (no games besides stock ;) |
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| 10:41.20 | chem|st | Sicelo: if I need something alike I have other hardware around... |
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| 10:42.32 | chem|st | Sicelo: or how would you transfer stuff from SD card to N900 w/o bulky cardreader with you? |
| 10:43.22 | chem|st | bluky==bigger than my little finger... |
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| 11:51.14 | DocScrutinizer | chem|st: I always have a uSD cardreader with me that's about the size of my little finger. Anyway my question that seems to have started all that was about whether kernel-powe-v48 has maybe flaws/regressions regarding h-e-n/hostmode as well. I wasn't interested in discussing whether h-e-n is useful (for a particular user / usage pattern) |
| 11:52.22 | DocScrutinizer | (and of course I wouldn't exactly need that tiny uSD cardreader to copy sth between N900 and a uSD card :-D ) |
| 11:56.41 | crashanddie | haha |
| 11:56.42 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: talking std-sized SDcards... interesting would it be; to have a full blown dm-crypt and attach my 2048b crypted 1TB uUSB HDD to it and have a wifi NAS with it... but I can only dream of it... |
| 11:56.47 | crashanddie | Linux has exceeded its bandwidth: http://www.linux.org/ |
| 11:57.27 | chem|st | lol |
| 11:58.07 | DocScrutinizer | o.O |
| 11:58.22 | DocScrutinizer | who's admin-c? |
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| 13:19.16 | ErwinJunge | If I want to reinstall my phone in an optimal way today, what would that be? (Among other things, I'd like /home to be a lot bigger, which I read somewhere once involves editing the image file) |
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| 13:44.01 | chem|st | ErwinJunge: reflash to vanilla at first I guess |
| 13:46.35 | chem|st | ext size can be changed (only increased) while mounted, copy all things in myDocs somewhere safe, umount mydocs, delete partition of mydocs, increase size'o'home OTF, create mydocs partition, format mydocs vfat, reboot |
| 13:47.18 | chem|st | if you endup in a rebootloop it is not my fault, everything under "you know what you are doing" |
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| 14:02.21 | cityLights | chem|st , Sicelo , I a, back , got called away by work |
| 14:02.33 | cityLights | I am sorry for the late response |
| 14:03.04 | cityLights | I still need to test, but as you all remember this new kernel , previusly "killed" my N900 |
| 14:03.35 | cityLights | I am also highly dependedt on the N900, which makes me think of buying another one for backup |
| 14:05.07 | ShadowJK | it's pretty hard to kill an n900 |
| 14:06.13 | cityLights | yet if you upgrade from power kernel 47 -> 48 , I got a loop boot |
| 14:06.45 | cityLights | now when upgrading , you dont get a warning screen , telling you , you may get this |
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| 14:07.36 | cityLights | now on that day my SO mom checked in to the hospital, and I "lost" my cellular |
| 14:07.43 | cityLights | which drove me nuts |
| 14:07.53 | cityLights | this *may* happen |
| 14:10.43 | Sicelo | sure :) |
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| 14:26.19 | chem|st | cityLights: yeah thinking of buying another n900 "new" as long as they are available.. |
| 14:27.21 | cityLights | wish they where offered at 99$ at best buy..... |
| 14:29.33 | Sicelo | ;) |
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| 15:53.27 | edheldil | NIN101: indeed, have noticed that as well |
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| 16:27.24 | DocScrutinizer | chem|st: sed -e "s/2048/$NEW-HOME-SIZE/" path/to/*VANILLA*.bin >patched-VANILLA.bin http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools |
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| 18:52.02 | timeless | btw, everyone should be thankful that: |
| 18:52.13 | timeless | 1. HAM doesn't require a password each time you try to update an app |
| 18:52.24 | timeless | 2. HAM has the option to update all of your apps |
| 18:52.57 | timeless | 3. you don't have the chance of having your device wipe itself if you get your password wrong 10 times in a row |
| 18:53.05 | timeless | is currently updating 7 apps, one at a time, entering a device password each time |
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| 18:57.34 | marmoute | timeless: how is your new job ? |
| 18:57.57 | timeless | i like it |
| 18:58.15 | timeless | the people are great, and we have a unified way to submit bug reports to anywhere in the company |
| 18:58.24 | timeless | (ask nokians about how to do that) |
| 18:58.50 | timeless | for reference, sp3000 informed me last week that one of my bugs filed in feb (?) was just touched for the first time |
| 18:59.13 | timeless | oh, and the expense reporting system is actually pretty good |
| 18:59.27 | timeless | got reimbursed for the major charge to a corporate card for a trip to paris |
| 18:59.36 | timeless | needs to file another claim for the next trip and book flights |
| 18:59.58 | timeless | oh, and while there are some edges of BB that i don't like (app world update v. ham) |
| 19:00.18 | timeless | bb is *so* much better at offline use |
| 19:00.42 | timeless | e.g. i took my Torch to Paris but my global roaming sim was in my wallet (which decided to stay on the bus to the Toronto Airport ) |
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| 19:01.12 | timeless | i had no trouble using BB Maps, BBM, and other things |
| 19:01.25 | timeless | they all slurped sufficient content while i had wifi and worked well when i didn't have access |
| 19:02.01 | timeless | oh, and App World can queue multiple installs concurrently (unlike HAM from Maemo 5-) |
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| 19:02.22 | timeless | (Nokia MeeGo of the N9 is an unreleased story and thus not worth considering) |
| 19:02.44 | timeless | oh, and my PlayBook is quite nice |
| 19:02.50 | sp3000 | timeless: wontfix! :D |
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| 19:02.56 | timeless | sp3000: seriously? |
| 19:03.05 | timeless | of course, the micro hdmi out isn't useful to me as i don't have any HDMI input ports anywhere |
| 19:03.19 | timeless | is being given an old fashioned CRT TV by a coworker |
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| 19:04.27 | sp3000 | yeah, I'm contemplating nagging ...but I don't think I ever touch that bug tracker for anything so there's a degree of meh to it |
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| 19:06.01 | timeless | heh |
| 19:06.03 | timeless | sighs |
| 19:06.06 | timeless | shakes head |
| 19:06.24 | timeless | oh, and our internal it is generally good about implementing feedback |
| 19:06.27 | timeless | whereas... see above? |
| 19:07.53 | timeless | grr |
| 19:08.04 | timeless | needs to call the Ronald Reagan Presidential Library again |
| 19:08.09 | timeless | those idiots have me on a mailing list |
| 19:08.14 | timeless | and there's a new one |
| 19:08.52 | timeless | some designated mother for some school class around San Diego CCd me as the teacher's email on an email to parents trying to organize things |
| 19:08.59 | timeless | so far i've already received one reply to all |
| 19:09.02 | timeless | grumbles |
| 19:09.48 | timeless | sighs |
| 19:09.53 | timeless | needs to schedule to call into mozilla's webapi meeting |
| 19:14.19 | kerio | timeless: call elop too |
| 19:14.35 | timeless | why? |
| 19:14.42 | timeless | doesn't care about nokia anymore |
| 19:14.45 | kerio | :( |
| 19:14.52 | timeless | well, i suppose i could spend some time shorting its stock |
| 19:14.58 | timeless | but it seems too easy |
| 19:15.00 | kerio | will i really have to buy an android phone? :( |
| 19:15.12 | timeless | and i don't want the tax (filing) burden! |
| 19:15.30 | timeless | no, you can buy a BlackBerry ;-) |
| 19:15.57 | Atarii | anyone got an Ubertooth working with their N900? |
| 19:16.03 | kerio | D: |
| 19:17.53 | timeless | grr |
| 19:17.59 | timeless | needs to find someone familiar w/ davmail |
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| 19:21.35 | trumee | timeless: working for RIM now? |
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| 19:24.17 | timeless | yes |
| 19:24.20 | timeless | [disclaimer] |
| 19:24.39 | timeless | since the beginning of june |
| 19:24.56 | timeless | but i really do love my BlackBerry |
| 19:25.09 | timeless | the e61i really isn't a competitor at all |
| 19:25.14 | timeless | used to call it a `blueberry` |
| 19:25.23 | timeless | thought other people had too |
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| 19:26.59 | RST38bis | yr |
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| 19:33.52 | trumee | timeless: do blackberry phones have sip? |
| 19:35.44 | timeless | mine does |
| 19:35.59 | timeless | http://us.blackberry.com/apps-software/business/blackberry_mvs/ |
| 19:36.04 | timeless | and yes, i use it |
| 19:36.20 | timeless | the integration made me realize that the n900 didn't have a monopoly on that kind of integration |
| 19:36.42 | timeless | (and the way facebook/gtalk/gvoice/... integrate into the unified mailbox is also better than the n900) |
| 19:37.02 | timeless | i haven't tried calling a user@host address w/ it |
| 19:37.07 | timeless | so i'm not sure if that side works |
| 19:37.24 | timeless | mvs is spiffy |
| 19:37.31 | timeless | i can easily transfer a call to/from my desk phone |
| 19:37.42 | timeless | now nokia might say "who cares, our employees don't have desk phones" |
| 19:37.49 | timeless | but... i'm in NAm now, and we do |
| 19:37.51 | timeless | and they're useful |
| 19:38.08 | timeless | trying completing a long call when you need to reboot your mobile phone |
| 19:39.40 | trumee | timeless: that is nice. can i stick in my custom asterisk sip details in mvs? |
| 19:40.02 | timeless | http://supportforums.blackberry.com/t5/BlackBerry-Enterprise-Solution/MVS-SIP-Integration/td-p/678979 |
| 19:40.06 | timeless | seems potentially relevant |
| 19:41.18 | timeless | myKryptofon seems interesting |
| 19:42.40 | trumee | timeless: it is a shame N900 doesnt support SRTP or ZRTP. |
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| 19:44.22 | timeless | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:44.28 | timeless | is using public searches |
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| 23:55.41 | javispedro | GeneralAntilles: Nintendo DCMA letter in 4... 3... |