| 00:00.06 | knocte | ah oops |
| 00:00.07 | psycho_oreos | tab completion ftw |
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| 00:01.18 | knocte | yeah but there is no tab in this keyboard right? |
| 00:01.56 | psycho_oreos | there's a tab button on osso-xterm (unless you hacked it) |
| 00:02.30 | knocte | ah cool, didn't notice that |
| 00:07.39 | knocte | psycho_oreos: when you said "you'll probably need to wait even longer, as tracker-processes restarts from nothing", you were assuming I had a lot of songs? because now I want to sync only 2, and after I used tracker-processes, now it warns me all the time that there are no songs |
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| 00:09.30 | knocte | ok, google shows interesting stuff |
| 00:09.32 | psycho_oreos | knocte, no I didn't assume anything. what tracker-processes -r does is that it kills trackerd and removes all the relevant database pertaining music/videos/photos/etc. Then sometime a few minutes or so afterwards trackerd is respawned and goes crawling around maemo looking for stuff to add according to tracker.cfg |
| 00:10.01 | knocte | psycho_oreos: ah cool thanks, and cannot I respawn tracker manually? |
| 00:10.17 | psycho_oreos | knocte, you probably could |
| 00:10.59 | psycho_oreos | but even at that trackerd won't tell you much about what its doing unless you set it to verbose mode. I think the first few seconds of trackerd is set to idle for some reason |
| 00:11.36 | knocte | what a pain |
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| 00:12.30 | psycho_oreos | patience is a virtue... |
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| 00:15.18 | knocte | heh |
| 00:15.28 | knocte | psycho_oreos: what's the command to respawn? |
| 00:15.49 | psycho_oreos | knocte, I don't know, I haven't dived that far in |
| 00:17.21 | knocte | they recommend me to reboot in here: http://my-maemo.com/faq/showquestion.php?faq=5&fldAuto=32 |
| 00:17.34 | knocte | I assume most people here have a N900? |
| 00:17.47 | knocte | how does meego run nowadays in it? |
| 00:18.13 | psycho_oreos | still WIP, and yes probably a fair few of us has N900 |
| 00:18.38 | psycho_oreos | meego has their own support channel -> #meego |
| 00:18.51 | knocte | do people that test meego have dual boot with maemo and meego at the same time? |
| 00:19.40 | psycho_oreos | its best to ask that question in #meego. Though that idea is best compared to having meego as the main OS |
| 00:19.49 | ShadowJK | that's the only sensible way to do it (dualboot) |
| 00:20.10 | knocte | ShadowJK: cool thanks |
| 00:20.34 | knocte | I'm wondering if the media-player in meego is much better than maemo's.. |
| 00:20.52 | ShadowJK | Well I couldn't figure out how to make it play music |
| 00:21.06 | ShadowJK | and video is distorted last time I checked |
| 00:21.20 | knocte | shit |
| 00:35.33 | DocScrutinizer | how could it be better, though it's not using the supposedly good blob hw support maemo got |
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| 00:50.25 | knocte | well, maemo's doesn't have rating feature, which is surprising |
| 00:51.26 | psycho_oreos | and its not mandator |
| 00:51.30 | psycho_oreos | mandatory* |
| 00:53.31 | psycho_oreos | if you want a handheld device that can probably do ratings, there's iphone :p |
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| 00:56.16 | DocScrutinizer | wtf ratings? for videos? or instead of the rather sufficient name-able sore-able playlists for music? |
| 00:56.34 | DocScrutinizer | store-able* |
| 00:57.18 | DocScrutinizer | hell, it's not even rocket science to edit the playlists |
| 00:59.51 | DocScrutinizer | also it's no science at all to get a queenbeecon button that calls a python 10-liner to increment the rating value of that entry in a plain text list that has the same name as song just played |
| 01:00.51 | DocScrutinizer | mafw tells you what's the song just played, via dbus call, the rest is unix toolbox 101 |
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| 01:02.25 | ShadowJK | lol |
| 01:02.34 | DocScrutinizer | then there's "most recently played" and "never played" and whatnot predefined playlists each of which could get "abused" to show the songs with highest rating |
| 01:02.44 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: lol? |
| 01:03.03 | ShadowJK | Instead of a "rating" button, how about automatically assigning score based on how far into the song you listen before you switch to the next one |
| 01:03.42 | ShadowJK | and then group songs into groups depending on "listened to all of this song today, and also these songs", so it starts learning what songs you like in different moods |
| 01:03.48 | DocScrutinizer | I hesitated to suggest this as I didn't feel like discussing the pros and cons of this approach |
| 01:04.20 | ShadowJK | This rating thing just seems a bit strange to me, because one day a song could be a 1-star, and another day it could be a 5 :P |
| 01:04.25 | knocte | DocScrutinizer: sounds good, where can I get the codez |
| 01:04.36 | DocScrutinizer | honestly I don't need all this, I think it's useless fancy |
| 01:05.00 | DocScrutinizer | sorry, your last letter spoiled it |
| 01:05.27 | ShadowJK | (doesn't exist) |
| 01:05.27 | DocScrutinizer | knocte: ^^^ "codes" I might have delivered |
| 01:06.14 | DocScrutinizer | knocte: plz lrn 2 wr8 < 1337 |
| 01:06.33 | knocte | lol |
| 01:09.58 | knocte | DocScrutinizer: no, seriously, where's the repo? is it implemented in python? |
| 01:11.19 | jpinx | anyone found a way to boot the n900 direct into a terminal - maybe without phone functions ? |
| 01:11.22 | DocScrutinizer | knocte: sorry, which part of >>get a queenbeecon button that calls a python 10-liner<< made you think any of this already exists ready for you to click "install"? |
| 01:12.43 | knocte | DocScrutinizer: I meant if the mediaplayer is implements in python |
| 01:12.55 | knocte | s/implements/implemented |
| 01:13.09 | DocScrutinizer | the mediaplayer is closed source |
| 01:13.15 | knocte | wtf |
| 01:13.25 | DocScrutinizer | the playlists it sstores are plaintext |
| 01:13.47 | knocte | I thought the whole maemo was open source? |
| 01:13.58 | DocScrutinizer | or you go for MohammadAG 's remake |
| 01:14.16 | DocScrutinizer | knocte: who told you that fairy tale? |
| 01:14.49 | DocScrutinizer | the core system is (mostly) FOSS, the apps are not |
| 01:15.28 | knocte | ok :( |
| 01:15.38 | knocte | how about meego, apps are opensource? |
| 01:15.43 | DocScrutinizer | neither dialer, nor calendar or mediaplayer or contacts or... |
| 01:16.11 | DocScrutinizer | for now yes, until somebody decides to publish closed source stuff |
| 01:16.17 | jpinx | calendar is a useless pos :) |
| 01:16.45 | ShadowJK | finds it useful |
| 01:18.12 | DocScrutinizer | the point however about ratings of music is that you have all you need to even interface closed stock mediaplayer to add that function, with sth a 1st semester CS student should build in 2h. There are most probably other mediaplayers available that already have rating funtion |
| 01:19.32 | DocScrutinizer | or you add it to mohamediaplayer and use this stock media player clone instead of the original one |
| 01:19.43 | knocte | DocScrutinizer: media players for maemo? where to find them? |
| 01:19.52 | DocScrutinizer | in extras repo? |
| 01:20.04 | knocte | ok thanks |
| 01:20.12 | DocScrutinizer | hell, maybe even in extras-devel, OMFG |
| 01:20.44 | DocScrutinizer | I think I've seen half a dozen at least |
| 01:20.51 | knocte | cool |
| 01:21.04 | DocScrutinizer | canola, mohammad's |
| 01:21.11 | DocScrutinizer | the russian guy's |
| 01:21.31 | cehteh | mplayer and a shell script :P |
| 01:25.24 | DocScrutinizer | http://maemo.org/packages/search/?org_maemo_packages_search[1][property]=name&org_maemo_packages_search[1][constraint]=LIKE&org_maemo_packages_search[1][value]=media&org_maemo_packages_search[2][property]=title&org_maemo_packages_search[2][constraint]=LIKE&org_maemo_packages_search[2][value]=same http://maemo.org/packages/view/tomamp/ http://maemo.org/packages/search/?org_maemo_packages_search[1][property]=name&org_maemo_packages_search[ |
| 01:25.25 | DocScrutinizer | 1][constraint]=LIKE&org_maemo_packages_search[1][value]=canola&org_maemo_packages_search[2][property]=title&org_maemo_packages_search[2][constraint]=LIKE&org_maemo_packages_search[2][value]=same |
| 01:28.40 | DocScrutinizer | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=72156&highlight=mediaplayer |
| 01:35.54 | DocScrutinizer | http://maemo.org/packages/view/someplayer/ |
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| 01:38.32 | utanapischti | DocScrutinizer: ? |
| 01:38.47 | DocScrutinizer | ? |
| 01:39.10 | utanapischti | please add comments to urls posted |
| 01:39.20 | DocScrutinizer | why? |
| 01:39.33 | utanapischti | we shall know you? |
| 01:39.35 | DocScrutinizer | the comments are *before* the URLs |
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| 01:39.48 | DocScrutinizer | utanapischti: we shall know YOU? |
| 01:39.56 | jpinx | is glad he is not on irc on the n900 |
| 01:39.58 | utanapischti | or shall we click evewry link you post? |
| 01:40.24 | utanapischti | 03:39:48 DocScrutinizer | utanapischti: we shall know YOU?b << i dont post links here |
| 01:40.25 | DocScrutinizer | you're free to click whatever you like |
| 01:41.04 | DocScrutinizer | no you drop in to a slow convo unsolicited, giving weird advice |
| 01:41.31 | utanapischti | ? |
| 01:41.55 | utanapischti | we are not all born with englisg tounge |
| 01:42.12 | DocScrutinizer | meh |
| 01:42.23 | utanapischti | ok |
| 01:42.24 | jpinx | anyone found a way to boot the n900 direct into a terminal - maybe without phone functions ? |
| 01:42.28 | utanapischti | *plonk* |
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| 01:42.57 | *** mode/#maemo [+pisc] by DocScrutinizer |
| 01:42.57 | *** mode/#maemo [-s] by ChanServ |
| 01:43.08 | DocScrutinizer | dang |
| 01:43.17 | utanapischti | hey! |
| 01:43.28 | utanapischti | me not kicked? |
| 01:43.39 | utanapischti | what have i done wrong? |
| 01:44.39 | nox- | ~docscrutinizer |
| 01:44.39 | infobot | [docscrutinizer] jOERG, a HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko |
| 01:44.54 | nox- | he's a regular, his links are usually okay :) |
| 01:44.54 | *** mode/#maemo [-i] by DocScrutinizer |
| 01:45.09 | nox- | bbl |
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| 01:46.06 | utanapischti | ? |
| 01:46.19 | utanapischti | paranoia? |
| 01:47.12 | utanapischti | chats on freenode always feel kinda strange |
| 01:47.59 | *** mode/#maemo [-c] by DocScrutinizer |
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| 01:49.13 | utanapischti | omg! he didnt kick me! |
| 01:49.29 | utanapischti | what have i done wrong? |
| 01:49.33 | DocScrutinizer | utanapischti: but I will if you continue to play the asshead |
| 01:49.58 | utanapischti | i'd be proud to be... |
| 01:50.13 | DocScrutinizer | you gave strange advice to add comments to URLs while the URLs themselves were comments to the previous convo |
| 01:50.44 | utanapischti | an typical irc problem? |
| 01:50.50 | utanapischti | -n |
| 01:51.10 | DocScrutinizer | so you suggested to give comments to comments, and you asked "should we know you?" whichj is the first word of _you_ I ever heard in this chan |
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| 01:51.34 | utanapischti | then you have no good logs |
| 01:51.46 | DocScrutinizer | I need no logs |
| 01:51.48 | utanapischti | that was not my first line in here |
| 01:52.07 | DocScrutinizer | anyway you're boring me, sorry |
| 01:52.27 | utanapischti | 1:1 |
| 01:53.19 | DocScrutinizer | well, then I suggest you keep me on your ignore list. This would help me as well as then I don't have to cope with your silly comments |
| 01:53.19 | utanapischti | (silent now...) |
| 01:54.53 | utanapischti | silly comments? ok... you're lucky... i decided " 1:1 " before... |
| 01:55.20 | utanapischti | just let us go in different directions now |
| 01:55.54 | utanapischti | without weighting weighting whos wrong or right... ok? |
| 01:56.14 | utanapischti | good night! |
| 01:56.15 | DocScrutinizer | I'll go nowhere, you're free to go whereever you want, but please do it _now_ |
| 01:56.23 | utanapischti | 03:56:14 utanapischti | good night! |
| 01:56.55 | utanapischti | look at the timestamp |
| 01:57.06 | utanapischti | i'll be there tomorrow... |
| 01:57.32 | DocScrutinizer | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/search?q=utanapischti |
| 01:57.46 | DocScrutinizer | look at this, for "not your first line here" |
| 01:58.15 | jpinx | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/search?q=utanapischti |
| 01:58.24 | utanapischti | ? |
| 01:58.28 | DocScrutinizer | you're free to enter "DocScrutinizer" into the searchfield to answer your own question of "should we know you?" |
| 01:58.38 | utanapischti | is here as utanapischti and sasquatch |
| 01:58.59 | utanapischti | sometimes weechat connects me with my 2nd nick |
| 01:59.09 | DocScrutinizer | OMFG |
| 01:59.16 | DocScrutinizer | *plonk* |
| 01:59.23 | utanapischti | ok |
| 02:00.32 | utanapischti | whats your problem? |
| 02:00.58 | jpinx | 03:59 [freenode] -!- There is no such nick sasquatch |
| 02:02.23 | sasquatch | 04:01:46 -- | NickServ (NickServ@services.): Information on sasquatch (account _yeti_): |
| 02:02.25 | sasquatch | 04:01:47 -- | NickServ (NickServ@services.): Registered : Jun 11 09:13:59 2009 (2 years, 11 weeks, 0 |
| 02:02.27 | sasquatch | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:03.35 | sasquatch | can we go to sleep (4:04 am here...) now and meed again more friendly tomorrow? |
| 02:03.43 | sasquatch | meeT |
| 02:04.28 | sasquatch | _o/ ___ ( pro! ) |
| 02:05.51 | DocScrutinizer | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/search?q=utanapischti -> 79 matches in 1764 log files with 4301570 lines || http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/search?q=sasquatch -> 57 matches in 1764 log files with 4301594 lines |
| 02:06.16 | DocScrutinizer | I can clearly see why _you_ don't know me |
| 02:06.17 | sasquatch | and? |
| 02:06.50 | sasquatch | you got a problem when someone doesnt know you? |
| 02:07.32 | DocScrutinizer | yes, when the same fool is asking "shall we know you" and thinks he needs to teach me about sth he's in fact wrong about |
| 02:08.00 | sasquatch | ? |
| 02:08.07 | sasquatch | explain! |
| 02:09.17 | sasquatch | should have left when reading "same fool"... |
| 02:09.28 | sasquatch | but i'm curious |
| 02:09.35 | sasquatch | explain! |
| 02:09.47 | DocScrutinizer | jump! |
| 02:10.19 | Sc0rpius | is the Nokia N9 being sold in all major stores or not yet? |
| 02:10.25 | Sc0rpius | when will be out if it isn't? |
| 02:10.26 | sasquatch | ? |
| 02:10.41 | Sc0rpius | I'm a little behind in news |
| 02:11.39 | DocScrutinizer | Sc0rpius: latest news in rumour are it's in fact not sold in Germany, UK and a few other countries |
| 02:12.11 | sasquatch | just is disturbed and does not know how to have deserved those last 15 minutes# |
| 02:12.20 | Sc0rpius | so it's not been officially released yet |
| 02:12.26 | DocScrutinizer | nope |
| 02:14.41 | Sc0rpius | so we all still have our N900s |
| 02:14.46 | sasquatch | seems i dont know what "04:09:47 DocScrutinizer | jump!" means |
| 02:15.28 | DocScrutinizer | Sc0rpius: indeed, most of us. Some lost it MIA at a nokia care center |
| 02:17.01 | DocScrutinizer | Sc0rpius: some of the best of us got lured on the dark side with a thing called N950 |
| 02:17.23 | Sc0rpius | nice |
| 02:17.35 | DocScrutinizer | debatable |
| 02:17.53 | Sc0rpius | you don't like it? |
| 02:18.06 | DocScrutinizer | definitely not |
| 02:18.19 | Sc0rpius | what you don't like about it? |
| 02:18.51 | Sc0rpius | it doesn't have the AMOLED screen the N9 has |
| 02:19.02 | Sc0rpius | (or supposed to have) |
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| 02:19.35 | DocScrutinizer | the fact that N9 will have no hw kbd, no proper touchscreen (just this useless capacitive ts), and most of all I hate the fact that harmattan is more closed than any maemo OS before in a certain way |
| 02:19.57 | Sc0rpius | heh |
| 02:20.10 | Sc0rpius | well actually I was asking you if you like the N950 you got |
| 02:20.45 | DocScrutinizer | not really as it has most of the disadvantages I enumerated above |
| 02:21.19 | Sc0rpius | the N9 is my last hope of a real OS in a phone :( |
| 02:21.47 | Sc0rpius | all I ask is have 10 SSH at the same time without disconnecting when you do other things with the phone (you can't do that on Android) |
| 02:21.49 | DocScrutinizer | I *maybe* could live with N950 when it had *)no aegis *)support for landscape in all apps |
| 02:22.27 | Sc0rpius | I wonder if WP7 is fully multitask |
| 02:22.38 | Sc0rpius | just wondering, I don't think I'll ever move to that |
| 02:22.38 | DocScrutinizer | *)proper hw kbd support |
| 02:23.10 | Sc0rpius | the support for landscape could come, it's a very new OS |
| 02:24.15 | luke-jr | hopes someone picks up the handheld market sooner rather than later |
| 02:24.24 | luke-jr | there was what? 4 years between Sharp and Nokia |
| 02:24.26 | luke-jr | ? |
| 02:24.38 | DocScrutinizer | feels alike |
| 02:25.04 | sasquatch | so what? the war will be android vs microsoft... |
| 02:25.20 | Sc0rpius | and iOS? |
| 02:25.36 | sasquatch | ios will fade till iphone5 |
| 02:25.44 | sasquatch | then shortly explode... |
| 02:25.53 | sasquatch | and fade agein |
| 02:26.00 | Sc0rpius | let's hope so. |
| 02:26.29 | sasquatch | aple is good to present new directions... not to maintain them |
| 02:27.27 | sasquatch | apple always faded in stocks when competitors brougt the same stuff... |
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| 02:28.31 | sasquatch | i kinda liked the apple 1 to III |
| 02:28.34 | sasquatch | and lisa |
| 02:28.50 | sasquatch | and the macintoshs up to late 680x0ers |
| 02:29.10 | sasquatch | but then apple took a turn i didnt like |
| 02:31.28 | sasquatch | compare apple-II to the 1st PCs... |
| 02:31.42 | sasquatch | slots fpr expansion cards? |
| 02:31.56 | sasquatch | not an ibm invention... |
| 02:32.26 | sasquatch | apple was a good breed someday... |
| 02:32.47 | sasquatch | others copied their ideas |
| 02:33.35 | sasquatch | was on trs-80 in apple 1-2-3 days... |
| 02:34.19 | sasquatch | a well defined expansion bus (like in apple-II) would have been fine for trs-80 |
| 02:35.09 | sasquatch | those were the days where apple was sympathic(!?) |
| 02:36.09 | sasquatch | and that lasted to the end of mac-68k-days... |
| 02:36.19 | sasquatch | halfway... |
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| 02:41.08 | javispedro | plus it's time to remove nitdroid from the topic I think |
| 02:41.16 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: HI! |
| 02:41.29 | javispedro | hi :) |
| 02:41.33 | DocScrutinizer | really? |
| 02:42.02 | DocScrutinizer | you just returned from the funeral party? |
| 02:42.09 | DocScrutinizer | ;-D |
| 02:42.19 | javispedro | is doing RL work :( |
| 02:42.40 | javispedro | either way yes, I think it's time to remove it |
| 02:42.48 | DocScrutinizer | not on nitdidiot I hope |
| 02:42.59 | javispedro | obviously not |
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| 02:43.23 | javispedro | if you get more stupid queries you can readdit, but so far, I think all it's doing is sending hits to nitdridiot. |
| 02:43.46 | DocScrutinizer | oh yes, indeed |
| 02:44.38 | DocScrutinizer | though you could as well claim it made the stupid queries vanish almost completely :-D |
| 02:44.47 | DocScrutinizer | we'll see |
| 02:45.34 | DocScrutinizer | ~maemo-multiboot |
| 02:45.34 | infobot | from memory, maemo-multiboot is deprecated, and a horrible hack |
| 02:46.25 | DocScrutinizer | ~maemo-multiboot is also PROBLEMS WITH NITDROID/MULTIBOOT? reflash rootfs&kernel aka COMBINED |
| 02:46.25 | infobot | DocScrutinizer: okay |
| 02:47.48 | javispedro | we'll see indeed. |
| 02:49.39 | javispedro | oh god |
| 02:50.20 | javispedro | just watch the problems #webos is seemingly having now that android users have all but overrun it. |
| 02:50.34 | javispedro | knocks on wood |
| 02:52.36 | DocScrutinizer | I'm not on #webos :-) |
| 02:53.10 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: what's your RL work? |
| 02:53.15 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: to sum it up: "<rwhitby> first time we've had to ban anyone in two years" |
| 02:53.27 | DocScrutinizer | LOL |
| 02:53.40 | DocScrutinizer | giggles |
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| 04:35.51 | GAN900 | Poor #webos |
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| 06:02.57 | Termana | good morning |
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| 06:12.47 | MohammadAG | can someone tell sivang to pm me his number |
| 06:13.21 | Choom | send them a memo |
| 06:14.04 | MohammadAG | yeah, msg doesn't work on irc chatter |
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| 06:16.38 | psycho_oreos | memo should :)ãand memo is not the same as messag |
| 06:16.41 | psycho_oreos | message* |
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| 08:59.41 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
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| 09:29.07 | errordeveloper | hi |
| 09:29.56 | errordeveloper | I have one n800 here .. would it be feasible to install the latest release on it or I rather should stick to the earlier one ? |
| 09:30.34 | errordeveloper | I mean .. is the latest maemo more suited for n9xx? |
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| 09:58.37 | eichi_N900 | hello. Is there no autojoin option on startup op IrGGu irc client? |
| 10:07.59 | errordeveloper | ok, I can see that this had been discussed on the forums of course |
| 10:08.37 | errordeveloper | so the n8xx devices are bound to latest 4.x branch :) |
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| 10:13.51 | gomiam | errordeveloper: you could say that :) |
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| 10:19.08 | DeathKnight | any one here who works with n900 hardware? (sorry if offtopic) |
| 10:21.30 | Dibblah | Not off-topic. |
| 10:21.56 | Dibblah | Asking a question generally gets a response, though, rather than asking to ask which just annoys ;) |
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| 10:22.34 | DeathKnight | Dibblah, thanks. :) |
| 10:24.06 | DeathKnight | so, we can talk about n900 related stuffs in this channel? |
| 10:24.18 | Dibblah | You're asking to ask again... |
| 10:27.37 | DeathKnight | Ok here goes my problem... seems like I reveersed te polarity of usb wile trying to make a charger.. and it has stopped my n900 from mking any contacts from usb (charging as well as Data transfer). |
| 10:28.12 | DeathKnight | Someone suggested me to connect the two terminals of fuse.. I did that and still it doesnt work. So wanting to know what might have been damaged... and serarching for solution. |
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| 10:33.12 | psycho_oreos | errordeveloper, N800 and N900 greatly differs in hardware, if you can successfully flash your N800 with N900 firmware, the end result is a bricked N800 |
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| 10:42.51 | errordeveloper | psycho_oreos: sure ... I see now |
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| 10:43.13 | errordeveloper | seems like there zero package updates fror Diablo ;( |
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| 10:43.39 | errordeveloper | I nee to get newer version of flash player ... youtube doesn't work :((( |
| 10:43.40 | psycho_oreos | its an ancient device, learn to deal with it |
| 10:44.22 | errordeveloper | yeah ... sure, though I though there should security patches etc ... |
| 10:45.27 | psycho_oreos | nokia pretty much abandoned maemo, do you think any of us maemo handheld owners would be getting any more security updates let alone updates? :) |
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| 10:45.53 | Gadgetoid | psycho_oreos: Yeah⦠but only if we installed Android *badum tssshh* |
| 10:45.56 | errordeveloper | oh well, this obviously not a general linux distro |
| 10:46.14 | Gadgetoid | I pull my N810 out every now and then, and stare wistfully at the empty updates list |
| 10:46.28 | errordeveloper | damn |
| 10:46.40 | errordeveloper | so what's the score with getting android on it ? |
| 10:47.12 | Gadgetoid | What, the N900? or are you talking about the N810 ( I just dropped in! ) |
| 10:47.14 | psycho_oreos | Gadgetoid, lol I don't know how well nitdroid performs on anything less than N900 but you can imagine people are generally annoyed at the stupid nitdroid users on N900 :p |
| 10:47.28 | errordeveloper | gomiam: n800 in fact ;) |
| 10:47.37 | errordeveloper | what's so bad about this device ? |
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| 10:47.52 | psycho_oreos | errordeveloper, it is a linux distro bubt a very specific one |
| 10:47.55 | errordeveloper | old? .. well, may be GL ES is not there .. |
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| 10:48.06 | gomiam | errordeveloper: two n800s (one US and one EU) and an n810 |
| 10:48.27 | gomiam | errordeveloper: there is nothing wrong about it... but its manufacturer, Nokia |
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| 10:48.53 | errordeveloper | gomiam: well, my father uses this n800 quite happy |
| 10:49.03 | errordeveloper | but there a couple of issues right now |
| 10:49.11 | gomiam | errordeveloper: I use my main n800 almost continuously |
| 10:49.13 | errordeveloper | a) flash doesn't work for you tube |
| 10:49.27 | errordeveloper | b) he gets out of ram pop-ups |
| 10:49.28 | Gadgetoid | Hmm, it's been an age since I tried Android out⦠bloody chore to install |
| 10:49.49 | gomiam | errordeveloper: it doesn't? I think I can see youtube videos on the browser... even if I need to get them to load completely |
| 10:49.53 | Gadgetoid | gomiam: what for? |
| 10:50.13 | errordeveloper | I see, well .. I got like an hour or two to fix it up somehow, so android is not an option in this case then :)) |
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| 10:50.49 | gomiam | Gadgetoid: mmm... RSS, browsing, mail, IRC, MSN, photos (in a pinch), skype, shell scripting, ssh |
| 10:50.55 | gomiam | lots of things actually |
| 10:51.10 | gomiam | I even bought an Ubiquio foldable Bluetooth keyboard for it. |
| 10:51.53 | gomiam | I'm having a few problems with the media player indexing my music right now, but Internet radio works very well |
| 10:52.46 | gomiam | oh, and Gnumeric for spreadsheets and Abiword for word processing |
| 10:53.05 | gomiam | of course having the Bt keyboard is very useful with Abiword |
| 10:53.07 | errordeveloper | ah .. I think I know what's the score with out of ram pop-ups |
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| 10:53.28 | errordeveloper | apparently my dad took the internal sd card out |
| 10:53.28 | gomiam | I even have the text-to-speech to mess around with my friends :D |
| 10:53.41 | gomiam | errordeveloper: so no swap |
| 10:53.48 | gomiam | yes, that could explain that. |
| 10:53.48 | errordeveloper | sure, I see now :)) |
| 10:53.57 | Gadgetoid | You're getting a helluva lot of use out of that! |
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| 10:54.50 | gomiam | Gadgetoid: of course! It's a very versatile product even if it gets almost no support any more |
| 10:55.14 | gomiam | let me see if I'm missing some usual application I use beside the standard ones. |
| 10:55.50 | gomiam | oh, yes, VNC connections, WifiInfo to check wifi status, and aircrack to "test" network security ;) |
| 10:55.54 | Gadgetoid | True, some brilliant software⦠although I now use my N810 for nothing more than FBReader |
| 10:56.48 | gomiam | Gadgetoid: I, myself, like using GPE calendar/todo a lot |
| 10:57.06 | gomiam | one of this days I'll finally get started on using HomeBank. |
| 10:57.47 | Gadgetoid | Maemo was so awesome that Apple stole "Not Charging" from it for the iPad, badum tsssh! |
| 10:58.28 | gomiam | Gadgetoid: XD |
| 10:59.19 | gomiam | I also use the tuner and comic reader ocasionally |
| 10:59.31 | Gadgetoid | I had to go and grab my N810 now, haha! |
| 10:59.39 | gomiam | Gadgetoid: nice :) |
| 10:59.53 | gomiam | I may put my dpkg list up somewhere if you want to check it out |
| 10:59.59 | gomiam | you might find something interesting |
| 11:00.01 | errordeveloper | how much ram does n800 has ? |
| 11:00.03 | Gadgetoid | I think my battery is stuffed, doesn't seem to last long even with some very power conservative settings |
| 11:00.25 | gomiam | errordeveloper: 128RAM, 256 Flash IIRC |
| 11:00.28 | errordeveloper | I'm trying to figure out what card to put for swap |
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| 11:01.29 | gomiam | errordeveloper: you can assign up to 128 MB of the inner SD card for swap. I don't recommend you use the external one because sooner or later you will want to substitute it while the system is on |
| 11:01.54 | gomiam | I seem to remember you could bring swap up to 256 with some tricks, but you will need to Google that. |
| 11:02.15 | gomiam | I have 8GB cards on my N8x0s |
| 11:02.44 | gomiam | two in each N800 and one in the N810 as it doesn't have an internal slot :) |
| 11:03.22 | Gadgetoid | Yeah⦠how did Nokia manage to lose an SD card slot! |
| 11:03.46 | Gadgetoid | The N900 isn't bad, as the internal memory is bigger than any SD card I'd ever bother buying for it |
| 11:03.54 | Gadgetoid | But the N810⦠grr |
| 11:04.22 | gomiam | Gadgetoid: they decided "nobody should ever need more than 2GB of internal SD" :) |
| 11:04.33 | psycho_oreos | the coolest thing about N900 is that it has phone functionality ;) |
| 11:04.58 | Gadgetoid | Mine doesn't |
| 11:05.13 | gomiam | psycho_oreos: true, true. Unfortunately it still is dead-ended by Nokia not open sourcing it all. |
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| 11:05.29 | psycho_oreos | gomiam, goes back to the age old reference:ãthat's nokia for you :) |
| 11:05.33 | cityLights | was the subject of webos discussed here? |
| 11:05.50 | gomiam | psycho_oreos: I know, I know. It is still a shame. |
| 11:06.02 | gomiam | cityLights: possibly, though not while I was here. |
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| 11:06.32 | cityLights | was there any thing valuable there? |
| 11:06.42 | gomiam | cityLights: it is quite unrelated to Nxx0 and the like, though. |
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| 11:07.06 | Gadgetoid | Time to try the N810 with an iControlPad |
| 11:07.08 | gomiam | cityLights: no idea. I considered getting one when they dropped the price but, alas, no such luck in Spain. |
| 11:07.11 | cityLights | well, it does cast a shade over maemo - now does it? |
| 11:07.34 | cityLights | can it run maemo? |
| 11:07.56 | gomiam | Gadgetoid: oh, you just reminded me of another funny app for N8x0, BlueMaemo, which lets your N8x0 act as a Bt keyboard, mouse and some other things. |
| 11:08.01 | psycho_oreos | cityLights, some webos owners decided to install android on their webos devices and had issues with it, they were complete idiots and got themselves banned. Apparently one of the op from #webos claimed it was the first ban ever in 2 years or something like that |
| 11:08.30 | gomiam | cityLights: I don't think so. AFAIK Touchpad is ARM and Maemo is OMAP... |
| 11:08.34 | psycho_oreos | gomiam, indeed, but life goes on with crippling features that would've benefitted if it were done right.. it gets worse as N950 and N9 is crippled in their own ways |
| 11:08.41 | Gadgetoid | gomiam: I remember that one ;) |
| 11:09.15 | gomiam | psycho_oreos: true, true. And we consumers are left holding the ball :) |
| 11:09.20 | Gadgetoid | Whatever happened to Mer? |
| 11:09.41 | gomiam | Gadgetoid: it was dropped in favour of bringing Meego to N8x0 |
| 11:09.53 | gomiam | but it didn't get too far either. |
| 11:10.18 | Gadgetoid | Same old same old :( |
| 11:10.57 | cityLights | well, looks like its possible to run meego on the touch[ad |
| 11:11.17 | gomiam | cityLights: I should hope so... as long as you have the needed hardware drivers |
| 11:11.21 | psycho_oreos | gomiam, I guess it was good thing whilst it sort of lasted.. the whole idea of keeping bonsai pets (i.e. in reference to hardwares that could have been better on internet tablets by nokia and yet each one they made seems to have some sort of deformity of some sort) |
| 11:12.03 | gomiam | psycho_oreos: well, I mean to keep my N800 working for quite a while. For the time being I haven't found anything that really called out to me to "upgrade" |
| 11:12.15 | Gadgetoid | Heehee, works nicely with the iControlPad; it's like a liiittle tiny SNES |
| 11:12.34 | Gadgetoid | It's like having an N900 without horribly crippled bluetooth |
| 11:13.01 | gomiam | Gadgetoid: was Bt messed up in N900? |
| 11:13.09 | psycho_oreos | gomiam, heh |
| 11:13.13 | Gadgetoid | gomiam: absolute effing nightmare! |
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| 11:13.33 | Gadgetoid | I think it's a trend with smartphones, to try and create the most screwed up shadow of bluetooth they can muster |
| 11:13.57 | gomiam | Gadgetoid: I can't really deny that :D |
| 11:14.04 | psycho_oreos | alas N900 isn't a smartphone let alone a phone :p |
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| 11:15.03 | gomiam | back to the upgrade... Nokia is out for the time being (I want Linux, not some sewn down Windows), Android seems to be getting more closed with each new release, and I don't want Apple... |
| 11:15.09 | gomiam | so it is wait and see for me. |
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| 11:15.59 | psycho_oreos | openmoko test projects seems promising but they are going at the rate of turtles in terms of mass hardware prototyping and selling their handheld devices |
| 11:16.01 | Gadgetoid | Amazing what Google have done to Android.. created an OS so open that carries can ass-rape it full of crapware and break the bluetooth |
| 11:16.06 | Gadgetoid | carriers* |
| 11:16.42 | gomiam | Gadgetoid: I don't mind they fucking up Bt, that's what Cyanogen mod is for ;) |
| 11:16.48 | gomiam | isn't it? |
| 11:16.59 | Gadgetoid | gomiam: in theory, yes, in practise⦠gah⦠I can't be bothered! |
| 11:17.32 | Gadgetoid | I've got a Motorola DEFY at the moment, the bluetooth seems ....okay |
| 11:18.04 | gomiam | Gadgetoid: I would say you don't have enough computer-fu, but I may be mistaken. Then again I'm the one my friends come to whenever they want something weird done to their computers/phones/whatever :D |
| 11:18.29 | Gadgetoid | gomiam: Plenty of computer fu, too lazy to use it |
| 11:19.10 | gomiam | Gadgetoid: lazy? Not enough. I'm so lazy I spend time in setting up things so I don't have to work more than needed on them :P |
| 11:19.58 | gomiam | anyway, time to go get the newspaper, take the trash out... be back in a bit :) |
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| 12:30.08 | mase76 | hi! when using hostmode with an ext3 formatted hdd, enumerating throws errors. is this only possible with fat formatted drives? |
| 12:31.02 | psycho_oreos | I think its an issue with osso-filemanager or whatever you are using. If you mount it manually it'll work |
| 12:31.11 | mase76 | device not accepting address 38, error -71 |
| 12:31.33 | mase76 | want to use filebox. |
| 12:31.34 | x29a_ | i get that when using bad cables or low power on the drive |
| 12:31.44 | x29a_ | (not on a maemo host, regular laptop) |
| 12:32.02 | mase76 | it is an 3,5" hdd with separate power supply. |
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| 12:32.25 | psycho_oreos | have you tried other USB -> uUSB adapter/cable? |
| 12:32.51 | mase76 | mice work with my cable. |
| 12:32.59 | psycho_oreos | or at least tried other devices attached to the same cable? |
| 12:33.05 | psycho_oreos | hmm |
| 12:33.34 | psycho_oreos | how old is the 3.5" hdd with separate power supply? |
| 12:33.53 | mase76 | about half a year. |
| 12:35.03 | psycho_oreos | I'm guessing you might also have faced similar issues as I have.. I think external hard drives tend to leech some power off the host, sure enough they have their own power supply to feed off but it seems like they're willing to detect and leech off host's USB power |
| 12:37.11 | psycho_oreos | I'm also guessing if and when you unplug the external HDD from the computer but leaving the external power supply intact, you hear the external hard drive click for maybe a second or so? |
| 12:37.46 | mase76 | a normal usb stick works, too. |
| 12:38.32 | psycho_oreos | yeah that's expected as USB stick draws fairly minimal power compared to conventional hard disks |
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| 12:39.11 | mase76 | do i have to wait between the steps in hostmode-gui? |
| 12:40.18 | psycho_oreos | I don't think there would be that much of difference if you waited in between the steps. I usually give mine a second or two before each steps but checking the logs are quite handy |
| 12:41.15 | mase76 | no chance with this hdd. i guess, you're right with the power issue. |
| 12:41.42 | mase76 | but an ext3 fs should be ok? |
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| 12:46.30 | psycho_oreos | mase76, yes it should |
| 12:46.48 | mase76 | thx for your help! |
| 12:47.52 | psycho_oreos | there might be a way with the power issue but I'm only guessing of theoretical workarounds which may/may not work |
| 12:48.37 | mase76 | which are? |
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| 12:54.02 | gomiam | mase76: you can try and connect a powered USB hub in between. That way no power should be drawn that might make the host-mode cause problems. |
| 12:54.38 | mase76 | if i had such a device. |
| 12:54.46 | gomiam | of course, that0s a requirement |
| 12:54.51 | gomiam | :) |
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| 13:02.46 | psycho_oreos | that or maybe a charger that would feed USB output for use with the external hdd. In my case I'm thinking of using something like ipod's wall charger |
| 13:04.12 | psycho_oreos | that and a fancy cable for the 3.5" hdd to piggyback on. Think of that Y cable for 2.5" hdd except for the connector that goes into 2.5" hdd (which is mini USB) it is a proper USB head for the 3.5" |
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| 13:13.20 | gomiam | OTOH I think USB hubs with power input aren't too uncommon... and neither are 5V 1A power sources. |
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| 13:25.08 | psycho_oreos | I guess it highly depends on the end user's budget :) |
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| 14:15.11 | Sicelo | true psycho_oreos |
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| 14:17.04 | Triscar0 | my n900 display is broken, it mixes colours and somthimes all black, just like if the cable was not 100% connected but it happens when the phone is not moving and it nont changes if i shake the phone or anything, is this a software problem or ? |
| 14:17.41 | Triscar0 | the nokia boot screen show nice and then it starts to mix colours and line moving fast on the screen¨ |
| 14:18.09 | Triscar0 | like now my n900 works nice! |
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| 14:19.09 | Sicelo | strange that i have to wait a while for usb devices to be connected on mine. |
| 14:19.28 | Sicelo | Triscar0: seems like a known issue |
| 14:19.52 | Triscar0 | oh, someway to fix it ? |
| 14:19.54 | Sicelo | of course, u could have hardware that's failing |
| 14:20.24 | ShadowJK | If it happens regulary I'd suspect hardware failure |
| 14:20.50 | Sicelo | um, none that i know... i think DocScrutinizer has a video of one such occurence |
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| 14:21.09 | Triscar0 | url ? |
| 14:21.33 | Sicelo | check out his ovi page |
| 14:21.49 | Sicelo | joergn900 iirc |
| 14:21.57 | lcuk | Triscar0, does the effect occur and change as you slide the keyboard in and out |
| 14:22.59 | Triscar0 | no, i cant find any spess way to get it to start mixing colour, it happens random |
| 14:23.35 | Triscar0 | now my phone work normal, and i shake it, push up screen and use it and nothing happens, but when its laying on the table it may start mixing colours |
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| 14:24.54 | Triscar0 | lol, now it was on the table not moving, and the screen started his own disco! |
| 14:26.43 | Triscar0 | its my 2nd n900, and i like it because of linux operating system and because of the keyboard, but now i will try a new phone. Is there any simulare phone i shuld buy ? |
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| 14:27.55 | DocScrutinizer51 | Triscar0: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/spontaneousArt_madBatShit_20110602_001.mp4 |
| 14:28.14 | DocScrutinizer51 | also somewhere on youtube |
| 14:28.18 | DocScrutinizer51 | iirc |
| 14:29.03 | psycho_oreos | it would also technically help what you were doing last before your screen broke |
| 14:29.04 | DocScrutinizer51 | Triscar0: supposedly DSP freaking ot, often a permanent damage rsulting feom OC |
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| 14:30.06 | Triscar0 | i woke up and was going to check my facebook and then it started:D |
| 14:30.11 | Triscar0 | thnx DocScrutinizer51 |
| 14:30.13 | DocScrutinizer51 | Triscar0: sorry I can't provide better links (like youtube) now, as I'm on the road and online via N900 |
| 14:30.59 | psycho_oreos | lol so we have another oc'ers case, I wonder who's going to kill the remaining N900 stock. Those oc'ers or those with genuine N900 defects. |
| 14:31.20 | DocScrutinizer51 | Triscar0: supposedly DSP freaking out, often a permanent damage resulting feom OC |
| 14:31.54 | DocScrutinizer51 | from* grrr |
| 14:32.54 | Triscar0 | its not like in the movie, its just crazy colours |
| 14:33.08 | Triscar0 | alot of lines with colours, and moving from top to bottom |
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| 14:33.39 | Sicelo | oh. |
| 14:33.51 | Triscar0 | just like a bad cable:D |
| 14:34.15 | Sicelo | maybe that's your issue then |
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| 14:35.00 | Triscar0 | yeah maby, but strange when it happens when the phone is 100% still, and dont happen anyting when i shake, open display, hit the phone:D |
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| 14:41.29 | Triscar0 | is the N8 any good ? |
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| 14:47.12 | ShadowJK | no |
| 14:48.44 | psycho_oreos | N9 is about to come out fairly soon and here you're asking about N8, lmao |
| 14:50.17 | ShadowJK | I don't think either are comparable to N900 |
| 14:50.54 | psycho_oreos | no neither of them are, but none of any other devices on the market currently is comparable to N900 either. |
| 14:51.11 | psycho_oreos | should I add, devices that are available for sale to the public |
| 14:51.20 | ShadowJK | right |
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| 14:52.46 | psycho_oreos | and N9 hopefully should feature a much full fledged linux beneath its ugly aegis mask. At least that in a very distant sense is comparable to that of N900 in terms of core software features, unlike N8 which has a completely different core. |
| 14:54.11 | GNUtoo|laptop | about aegis, no way to disable it? |
| 14:55.29 | psycho_oreos | some rumours say that a custom kernel might.. but that imposes two other set of notes: 1) how the hell are you going to be able to get the kernel to actually install let alone boot your custom kernel? 2) By disabling aegis you remove certain functionalities of N9/N950 |
| 14:56.52 | DocScrutinizer | Triscar0: the DSP when going mad can cause all sorts of weird GFX artifacts. Your results may differ largely form what is in that video. The point however is that usually there's still some weird kind of relation between what's happening on screen to what user interaction caused that. If you can ssh in via WLAN etc, you may try to retart some DSP related stuff (don't ask me what that might be in particular) Also you may want to watch dmesg ( |
| 14:56.54 | DocScrutinizer | or have ksyslog pkg installed and look into tail of /var/log/syslog) to find error messages related somehow to DSP/video/graphics |
| 14:57.35 | DocScrutinizer | also a god test is connecting the device to a TV via AV-cable, and see if the image there looks identical |
| 14:57.39 | DocScrutinizer | good* |
| 14:58.16 | ShadowJK | looks more like what you'd see when a 3D GPU goes mad ;p |
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| 14:58.44 | DocScrutinizer | yeah that's what I meant |
| 14:59.13 | DocScrutinizer | Triscar0: did you overclock the device? |
| 14:59.24 | DocScrutinizer | any time? |
| 15:00.47 | DocScrutinizer | Triscar0: I also experienced a cable breakage on N900, and that was kinda different, as it didn't recover by a carefully executed reboot |
| 15:02.15 | DocScrutinizer | the impact on image was more like green stripes on half of the screen, and finally whole screen collapsed into a single green horizontal line in the middle of the screen |
| 15:02.39 | ShadowJK | iirc in your video there were triangles flying around |
| 15:02.51 | DocScrutinizer | notably this also had impact on TV out which seems to depend on correct timing/data transfer to/from LCD |
| 15:02.59 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: yes |
| 15:03.09 | ShadowJK | oh you're talking about cable break |
| 15:04.19 | DocScrutinizer | Triscar0: first of all: reflash to a clean stock PR1.3 system, see if the defect vanishes for good then |
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| 15:04.45 | DocScrutinizer | 2nd: back up all your data!!! |
| 15:05.06 | DocScrutinizer | 3rd: check your purchase receipe and warranty |
| 15:05.51 | DocScrutinizer | well, maybe make #2 actually topmost point on your todo list ;-D |
| 15:05.55 | ShadowJK | I'd do backup first ;P |
| 15:06.03 | DocScrutinizer | :-D lol |
| 15:06.54 | DocScrutinizer | anybody experience with IP-cams for surveillance? |
| 15:07.10 | DocScrutinizer | (sorry for OT) |
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| 15:07.58 | ShadowJK | the idea of running around rebooting surveillance cams all day seems fun |
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| 15:08.16 | DocScrutinizer | indeed, bothered me as well |
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| 15:08.58 | DocScrutinizer | though this is only one cam here, the users are highly unlikely to even get the concept of rebooting a cam |
| 15:09.49 | DocScrutinizer | so stability/watchdogs was actually one of the questions I had for experienced peers |
| 15:10.56 | DocScrutinizer | I could do "remote scheduled reboot" via a timer-switch for PSU mains |
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| 15:11.21 | ShadowJK | I actually know a guy who resells ip surveillance cams |
| 15:11.26 | ShadowJK | or was going to |
| 15:11.47 | DocScrutinizer | what's the stories he tells in the bar about it? |
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| 15:12.10 | ShadowJK | but he sort of thinks it's normal to powercycle things, so I dont think id get useful answers from him about reliability :) |
| 15:12.28 | RST38h | wonders how Ovi Suite people could keep jobs for so long |
| 15:12.41 | DocScrutinizer | well, then he's familiar with my last-resort-approach to the issue |
| 15:13.26 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: simple: OVI is topmost project of Nokia since ~2..3 years now |
| 15:13.44 | DocScrutinizer | so a letter of intent every other month will suffice |
| 15:15.00 | DocScrutinizer | (add a few pages explaining your "progress" and general nasty problems in running any appstore-alike thing, and you're fine) |
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| 15:17.21 | DocScrutinizer | the lawyers will beef that up by another few 100 pages explaining the same for their particular segment in OVI, so managers won't finish reading one report until next one comes out 2 months later XP |
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| 15:18.09 | ShadowJK | it's kinda funny how when nokia announced it will make an appstore, analysts thought nokia's strength was in that it was good at accepting payments |
| 15:18.31 | ShadowJK | and yet we see lots of people having problems in getting the payments system of ovi work :p |
| 15:19.11 | DocScrutinizer | I have a hard time seeing Nokia being good in running a simple website |
| 15:20.16 | ShadowJK | well they used to be experts at creating a nokia.com frontpage that reiably crashed their pwn symbian devices ;p |
| 15:21.43 | DocScrutinizer | pawn symbian devices? :-D |
| 15:23.25 | DocScrutinizer | SSO and general user account management also not exactly a domain Nokia excels in. Neither seems to be providing of SDKs and proper sw update strategy |
| 15:24.52 | ShadowJK | my symbian phone has been whininh about sw update for a year or so |
| 15:25.14 | DocScrutinizer | hell, until new they are incapable of providing incremental upgrades - only full new PR releases, nothing else ever seen light of day |
| 15:25.16 | ShadowJK | but i need a disposable windows computer or something to install ovisuite on first |
| 15:25.24 | DocScrutinizer | s/new/now/ |
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| 15:27.42 | DocScrutinizer | (experts) well, it seems creating nokia.com pages that crash the browser was a fairly recent bug ticket against harmattan as well ;-D |
| 15:28.28 | RST38h | is not even talking about Ovi Store |
| 15:28.40 | RST38h | The Ovi Suite by itself feels like Satan's spawn |
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| 15:28.57 | DocScrutinizer | duh right. You said voi ssuite |
| 15:29.01 | DocScrutinizer | ovi* |
| 15:29.31 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: it probably is |
| 15:30.28 | DocScrutinizer | frankly I never touched it, matching OS missing here ;-P |
| 15:32.58 | DocScrutinizer | which actually is a sort of a missed opportunity, probably a windows crack could have RE'd quite some of the protocols and create some specs how to implement something similar but better (and less hell-related) on a *proper* OS |
| 15:34.46 | DocScrutinizer | never overestimate the number of true cross-platform developers and what they are willing to do for cross-platform |
| 15:35.35 | DocScrutinizer | most system level unix experts won't touch windows with a 10 feet pole |
| 15:36.14 | DocScrutinizer | windows cracks usually are not that much familiar with unix concepts |
| 15:37.19 | RST38h | Doc: Trying to update an E7 to Anna here |
| 15:37.35 | DocScrutinizer | and the few ones that actually are sufficiently savvy to mess on both platforms frequently have better things on their todo list than porting ovi suite |
| 15:37.40 | RST38h | Doc: over-the-air update is not available |
| 15:39.19 | DocScrutinizer | funny enough (or sad, depending on POV) we see a somewhat similar effect with fremantle vs HARM now |
| 15:43.01 | DocScrutinizer | of the 300 N950 bullets Nokia fired, 100some killed an active fremantle developer |
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| 15:44.34 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: wut |
| 15:45.47 | DocScrutinizer | kerio: nevermind, way too much my private POV. Never should've said it |
| 15:45.55 | kerio | yeah but now i want to know :( |
| 15:47.12 | Sicelo | agrees |
| 15:47.36 | Sicelo | been thinking that for a while now |
| 15:47.47 | DocScrutinizer | kerio: how's MohammadAG's responsiveness and participation statistics here on #maemo changing since he got accepted for a N950? Pick arbitrary other active developers as of meego.som/developer_device_programm |
| 15:48.04 | kerio | i see |
| 15:50.53 | DocScrutinizer | if all those developers would chat about their HARM topics here on #maemo still, the fremantle percentage of this channel already had dropped to 0.0n% |
| 15:51.24 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer, yeah, I agree with you |
| 15:51.24 | DocScrutinizer | that's why I pushed #harmattan when the N950 hype started |
| 15:51.42 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer, if only we had a newer software release on da N950 |
| 15:52.10 | Venemo | but yeah, you are totally right |
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| 15:53.06 | Venemo | I played SO much with Fremantle and spent so much time with the N900 that the N950 with Harmattan feels like a fresh start. |
| 15:54.06 | Venemo | I would never have bought an N9 though, so if Nokia hadn't given me an N950 for free, I'd probably still mess with Fremantle |
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| 15:54.15 | javispedro | it is also way too different from fremantle/diablo to easily share stuff between both |
| 15:54.28 | Venemo | javispedro, what do you mean? |
| 15:55.37 | javispedro | between diablo and fremantle you could do with 10 or so #ifdefs |
| 15:55.43 | javispedro | between fremantle and harmattan, not so much. |
| 15:56.24 | Venemo | javispedro, umm, why? |
| 15:56.50 | javispedro | fails to see why it is not evident |
| 15:56.57 | javispedro | harmattan requires a _complete_ rewrite |
| 15:57.07 | Venemo | that's true that I can't do QML on Diablo, but given the proper packages, even the qml-components apps can run on Fremantle. |
| 15:57.27 | Venemo | complete rewrite? nope, only a partial rewrite of the GUI |
| 15:57.53 | javispedro | 1) if you where in the diablo times your UI is probably Gtk+, so complee |
| 15:58.02 | javispedro | 2) yeah, "run" |
| 15:58.11 | javispedro | as in, fennec-like. |
| 15:58.19 | Venemo | heh |
| 15:58.30 | javispedro | after hours of waiting for it to spawn you get a completely non-native looking UI that takes ages to render |
| 15:58.31 | Venemo | have you actually tried? I'm just askin because I haven't (yet) |
| 15:58.42 | Venemo | hmmű |
| 15:58.49 | Venemo | that sounds very sad :( |
| 15:59.11 | javispedro | it does not take ages to render if you're fullscreen, but.... fremantle needs a title bar very much... |
| 16:00.12 | Venemo | yeah |
| 16:00.31 | Venemo | harmattan apps cheat this by rendering the status bar for themselves |
| 16:00.33 | Venemo | what a hack |
| 16:00.45 | Venemo | harmattan is, in fact, a bloody mess, because of this. |
| 16:00.49 | RST38h | javispedro: Isn't Meego supposed to be a full rewrite of Harmattan? |
| 16:01.10 | DocScrutinizer | I always claimed it and now more than ever: there wasn't any better way for Nokia to put an end to maemo for good than to push meego-harmattan |
| 16:01.26 | javispedro | well |
| 16:01.33 | javispedro | I like the Harmattan arch better because it works |
| 16:01.33 | DocScrutinizer | s/maemo/$MAEMO*/ |
| 16:03.16 | DocScrutinizer | where are all the promises from "how I learned to love the bomb" about one-click-recompile compatibility between meego and maemo? |
| 16:05.24 | DocScrutinizer | honestly if we had known 18 months ago what meego will look like in the end, nobody had accepted that maemo-moblin-merger and the strategy and rationale behind it |
| 16:05.43 | cehteh | haha :P |
| 16:06.10 | cehteh | really did you expected anything else? |
| 16:06.16 | DocScrutinizer | not really |
| 16:06.24 | cehteh | take it, fuck it up, move along ... |
| 16:06.34 | cehteh | hey will that happen with WP too? :) |
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| 16:10.13 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: actually, I am personally surprised. |
| 16:10.21 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: I think the result would have been _quite_ worse. |
| 16:10.27 | javispedro | er.. |
| 16:10.44 | javispedro | s/I think/I believed |
| 16:12.32 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: well, the quality of HARM doesn't invalidate your previous statement of it being largely incompatible to diablo/fremantle |
| 16:13.41 | javispedro | but I knew that from the day they bought qt, has nothing to do with meego. |
| 16:13.44 | RST38h | Ahhahaha, Nokia did bungle Anna update after all |
| 16:13.46 | RST38h | BADLY |
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| 16:14.10 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 16:14.18 | RST38h | 1. Ovi Suite (recommended way to update) does not work, requires Ovi login, hangs logging in with valid credentials |
| 16:14.34 | RST38h | But I used Nokia Software Updater |
| 16:14.50 | RST38h | 2. The software updates that have to be made AFTER the firmware update both fail |
| 16:15.25 | RST38h | People on the forums say that QtMobility and QtWebkit fail to install |
| 16:16.04 | RST38h | "The Issue is that Qtmobility is conflicting with the already installed latest version that is 1.13 so when this component tries to install you will get "update error" This happen with qtmobility_pu.sis?? file." |
| 16:16.28 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: see, all this will have an end when Nokia completely switches to the wonderful world of microsoft ;-P |
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| 16:20.37 | RST38h | Doc: I shudder when thinking what will happen when they add Microsoft's idiots ot their own |
| 16:20.56 | RST38h | Doc: And lubricate them all with the perkele-management |
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| 16:24.46 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer, problem is, if Nokia goes the Microsoft way, who the heck else will manufacture proper semi-open Linux phones? |
| 16:25.01 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer, and I don't want to hear about android, thank you. |
| 16:25.23 | DocScrutinizer | I'm still hoping for Raster and Samsung |
| 16:26.16 | javispedro | well |
| 16:26.25 | javispedro | I think a OpenMoko comeback is more likely than that :D |
| 16:26.34 | DocScrutinizer | yay |
| 16:26.56 | javispedro | ah well. |
| 16:27.08 | javispedro | maybe they will exit the stupid phone market |
| 16:27.11 | javispedro | that is the root of all evil |
| 16:27.16 | Venemo | Samsung? I was hoping for better. |
| 16:27.20 | psycho_oreos | I hope sooner than later for newer openmoko devices to appear. N9 isn't going to last forever |
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| 16:27.52 | Venemo | agreed |
| 16:28.01 | DocScrutinizer | there will be no new openmoko phones |
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| 16:28.29 | Venemo | also, I doubt that I'll ever buy a smartphone again. a tablet+dumbphone combo is more affordable, more flexible, and more convenient in so many ways. |
| 16:28.33 | psycho_oreos | but there was works in progress for new ones (at least for the base PCB) |
| 16:28.51 | javispedro | prefers PDAs |
| 16:29.13 | javispedro | or maybe at most a 5'' tablet.. |
| 16:29.22 | DocScrutinizer | there's that gta04 project that is aimed at ~100 devices, and actually I dunno why it claims the openmoko name as it's largely unrelated to OM and for sure completely unrelated to OM_the_Inc |
| 16:30.03 | psycho_oreos | still doesn't like the idea of tablet devices. Plus the idea of smartphone or internet tablet with phone functionality gives one less noticeable footprint in terms of tinkering around whilst at work or other places ;) |
| 16:30.21 | Venemo | psycho_oreos, well, that depends. |
| 16:30.46 | DocScrutinizer | been there troied that, with a featurephone + palmpilot, and again with a $whatever-phone + N810. It's basically unusable for me |
| 16:31.10 | DocScrutinizer | s/troied/tried/ |
| 16:31.13 | psycho_oreos | Venemo, you won't be caught offguard if you did this: http://www.knownokia.ca/2010/09/quiet-response-to-n900-laughs.html :D |
| 16:31.16 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: what you're not considering there as that I would probably drop $whatever-phone in the trash, I'm completely tired of phones. |
| 16:31.31 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer, why didn't it? what was the problem? |
| 16:31.33 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer, I would have thought that for web browsing or chatting, when going anywhere where a 7" device fits my pocket or bag, 7" is a lot better than 4". |
| 16:31.56 | javispedro | the world of pervasive Wi-Fi is not yet here, but approaching. |
| 16:32.18 | Venemo | psycho_oreos, hehe |
| 16:32.26 | psycho_oreos | its just one prime example :) of how naive people can be when it comes to underestimating handheld technology |
| 16:32.27 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: this world will maybe arrive in some few towns |
| 16:32.53 | DocScrutinizer | never at least on many countries, country-wide |
| 16:33.05 | psycho_oreos | hacking? what hacking? I've only got a phone here, how the hell am I supposed to hack with just a phone? mmm? |
| 16:34.10 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: places where I probably want to stay off the phone as long as possible |
| 16:34.17 | Venemo | oh, and another advantage of the tablet+dumbphone combo: when you go to an unsafe place, you can leave your tablet home and not worry about your expensive smartphone |
| 16:34.25 | psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer, I guess I'm speechless if there's no forward movement with newer OM devices coming out. I have rather strong hopes that OM would be the key to one's success should they be heavily attached to a linux platform with proper userland tools. |
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| 16:35.31 | SpeedEvil | OM - corporate - walked away a couple of year ago now. |
| 16:35.45 | psycho_oreos | Venemo, that's true but to think of the contrary if you have a rather exotic smartphone that was lost/stolen :) the thief wouldn't probably have as much clue as you would in trying to clear out the evidence :D |
| 16:35.47 | DocScrutinizer | psycho_oreos: OM_the_Inc is dead, OM_the_community has no resources to really build a consumer grade phone ready for primetime |
| 16:35.59 | RST38h | "Eric Schmidt has revealed that Google+ is an identity service, and the 'social network' bit is just bait. Schmidt says 'G+ is completely optional,' not mentioning that Google has admitted that deleting a G+ account will seriously downgrade your other Google services." |
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| 16:37.04 | psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer && SpeedEvil, so in essence OM is also dead in its own tracks :( so much for high hopes.. I guess my next device maybe after N9 would probably be android based. I don't have much confidence over Samsung's phones but I guess we shall see |
| 16:37.05 | Choom | RST38h: can you provide an URL for the full article? |
| 16:37.38 | DocScrutinizer | Venemo: that's more or less exactly what made the approach useless. Every time you need some "smart functions" you bet you don't have that tablet with you. And then there's the missing contact db integration into $dialer |
| 16:38.09 | RST38h | Choom: https://plus.google.com/u/0/117378076401635777570/posts/2y7vqXBtLny |
| 16:38.14 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer, I dunno, I think I could live with that. |
| 16:38.51 | Choom | RST38h: thanks |
| 16:38.54 | javispedro | oh god, Google+. |
| 16:38.57 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer, but there doesn't seem to be any smartphones that could even remotely replace the N900. Even the N9(50) barely lives up to the legacy of the N900 |
| 16:39.28 | javispedro | the other day I saw something worrisome. An actual interesting geek conversation between opensource people hidden behind the Google+ walls. |
| 16:39.43 | DocScrutinizer | indeed, that's why I ponder getting a few more N900 for spare |
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| 16:42.27 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: there are always fools like the ones in German television ARD: In one program they tell how bad facebook is, in next program they tell "join us on facebook!" |
| 16:42.45 | RST38h | Doc: Facebook paid. |
| 16:43.38 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: quite obviously. Few years ago they had the URL like http://ard.msn.com |
| 16:44.06 | javispedro | I have to say that I am finding a large bunch of supposed web forum haters in Google+, when Google+ looks to me like a large web forum. |
| 16:44.23 | DocScrutinizer | 99% of the managers and executives there have no idea about IT at large |
| 16:45.06 | RST38h | javispedro: Most Net users look like aliens to me since about 3-5 years ago |
| 16:45.38 | DocScrutinizer | all lizards!!!1!11!! |
| 16:45.41 | RST38h | javispedro: I no longer understand what drives these creatures to engage into things they are engaing in (twitter, flickr, etc) |
| 16:45.50 | RST38h | Doc: lemmings, you mean? |
| 16:46.02 | DocScrutinizer | nah lizards from outer space |
| 16:46.14 | javispedro | twitter looks to me like IRC, so I can understand. It's also not hidden behind a registration wall. |
| 16:46.35 | javispedro | and flickr is just web hosting but tied to the whims of some nonsensical company instead of a proper ISP. |
| 16:46.51 | RST38h | javispedro: but it is pretyt inconvinient, not thought-out IRC |
| 16:47.06 | RST38h | IRC is much more comfortable and has got a way more reliable infrastructure |
| 16:47.15 | javispedro | here's when the "worse is better" rule comes in |
| 16:47.20 | RST38h | So, WHY do they use twitter rather than IRC? |
| 16:47.56 | RST38h | And we have not even touched cesspools like ChatRoulette and OKCupid yet~ |
| 16:47.57 | Venemo | because it has a prettier-looking face |
| 16:48.19 | javispedro | heh |
| 16:48.29 | javispedro | I just had the idea of making a twitter-like interface to the #maemo IRC logs |
| 16:48.31 | javispedro | :) |
| 16:49.31 | RST38h | Web based IRC clients are known and they all suck. |
| 16:49.33 | javispedro | use gravatar to get some avatars for nicknames, a regular expression to replace "username:" with "@username" and there you go |
| 16:49.55 | DocScrutinizer | :-P |
| 16:49.57 | RST38h | Although with HTML5 you can probably contruct a decent client |
| 16:50.10 | javispedro | RST38h: if you can define HTML5 to me... |
| 16:50.11 | Venemo | javispedro, how do you use gravatar? IRC has no way of gathering e-mail addresses |
| 16:50.25 | RST38h | javispedro: W3C standard. |
| 16:50.44 | javispedro | RST38h: which does not have anything that could potentially help a IRC client.. |
| 16:51.05 | javispedro | if you grab any of the existing JS IRC clients, and tell to yourself, OK, I'm going to use HTML5 to enhace it |
| 16:51.11 | javispedro | WTH are you going to do? |
| 16:51.23 | javispedro | use a canvas to render messages? |
| 16:51.29 | Venemo | nah |
| 16:51.36 | javispedro | use a video element to play.... the latest youtube crap? |
| 16:51.47 | DocScrutinizer | time for 12648430 â |
| 16:51.51 | Venemo | you need to pay to a graphics designer guy to make a pretty UI for you. that's it. |
| 16:51.59 | DocScrutinizer | and cake |
| 16:52.28 | javispedro | is of the opinion that HTML5 is a stepback from XHTML, so.. |
| 16:52.47 | Venemo | javispedro, I had that opinion, but then I noticed that it is not |
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| 16:53.22 | javispedro | enlighten me |
| 16:53.26 | Venemo | javispedro, HTML5 clearly defines how to render incorrect markup, which wasn't contained by either of the previous (X)HTML specs |
| 16:53.27 | RST38h | javispedro: of course, use the fucking canvas! and use offline storage for logs! |
| 16:53.44 | javispedro | great, incorrect markup! |
| 16:53.51 | javispedro | XHTML also defines how to render incorrect markup |
| 16:53.55 | Venemo | nope |
| 16:53.57 | javispedro | yes |
| 16:53.59 | javispedro | by NOT rendering it :) |
| 16:54.03 | Venemo | lol. |
| 16:54.21 | javispedro | offline storage is not HTML5! |
| 16:54.29 | Venemo | now the script kiddies will still make crappy web sites with crappy markup, but it will at least appear the same way in every browser. |
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| 16:54.57 | javispedro | and the cost is that you now have to implement SGML parsers which are like 10x the complexity. |
| 16:55.11 | Venemo | javispedro, you had to do that still. |
| 16:55.20 | Venemo | because browsers DO render incorrect markup |
| 16:55.24 | Venemo | but not in the same way |
| 16:55.27 | javispedro | and thus 10x the slowness, because some kiddy wanted to use FrontPage 1998 and it doesn't close <p> tags |
| 16:56.34 | Venemo | so the script kiddie wrote some crappy HTML and he said "it works in IE8+, and not in crappy Firefox" => this is at least no more, if he switches to HTML5, both of them will render his crappy code in the same way. |
| 16:57.03 | Venemo | apart from this nuissance, I do not care about HTML5 at all. |
| 16:57.21 | Venemo | all my sites are XHTML 1.1, and will be for some time. |
| 16:57.35 | javispedro | if IE8 implemented XHTML, his crappy code would also render the same way |
| 16:57.36 | Venemo | CSS3, however, is very interesting and I already use some of its stuff (rounded corners, shadows, etc) |
| 16:58.25 | Choom | http://www.webdevout.net/articles/beware-of-xhtml |
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| 16:59.54 | Venemo | Choom, the article is not true and incorrect in several points. |
| 17:00.18 | Choom | mind to point them out? |
| 17:00.51 | javispedro | Choom: it even contradicts itself on the first sentence. |
| 17:01.01 | javispedro | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:01.04 | javispedro | and in the myths section, |
| 17:01.20 | Choom | how's that a contradiction? |
| 17:01.22 | javispedro | "In fact, the World Wide Web Consortium recently renewed the HTML working group, which is working to develop HTML 5" |
| 17:01.35 | Choom | exactly |
| 17:01.37 | Venemo | javispedro, "originally hoped to" != "now hoped to" |
| 17:01.54 | Venemo | the mistake is here: |
| 17:02.16 | Venemo | "XHTML has all of the same elements and attributes (including presentational ones) that HTML has" ----> this is ONLY true for XHTML 1.0 Transitional, not XHTML 1.0 Strict, and NOT XHTML 1.1 |
| 17:02.40 | Choom | there's htnk 4.1 strict too |
| 17:02.49 | Choom | html* |
| 17:03.50 | Venemo | Choom, if you mean HTML 4.01, yes, but that's a completely different thing with completely different purposes |
| 17:04.27 | Choom | anyway read the rest of the document |
| 17:04.39 | Choom | including quotes from browser vendors discouraging people from using it |
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| 17:05.10 | Choom | all major browser vendors are represented there with quotes |
| 17:05.32 | Venemo | yeah, I'm reading it. |
| 17:05.45 | javispedro | sighs |
| 17:05.56 | javispedro | what are they going to say? with IE not implementing XHTML at all? |
| 17:06.15 | Venemo | well, as soon as HTML5 becomes widespread, I'll just switch to it. simply for 2 reasons: 1) the sake of the feature I mentioned above 2) because XHTML 2 has been abandoned long ago. |
| 17:07.59 | javispedro | how do you "switch" to HTML5? |
| 17:08.30 | javispedro | it's like the agglomeration of all the previous standards plus the dedeprecation of all the previous crap plus whatever apple had in mind these days |
| 17:08.46 | javispedro | basically, you switch to HTML5 by stoping caring about validation. |
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| 17:09.02 | Venemo | I "switch" by replacing my doctype. |
| 17:09.11 | javispedro | or removing the version number from it |
| 17:09.16 | Venemo | hehe |
| 17:09.38 | Venemo | anyway, I need to leave now, will be back later :) |
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| 21:36.06 | elzalem | hi, im flashing my n900, do i need both vanilla and combined images? |
| 21:36.33 | Sicelo | depends what u want to achiever |
| 21:36.37 | Sicelo | ~flashing |
| 21:36.38 | infobot | well, maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 21:37.05 | elzalem | restore everth to factory settings |
| 21:37.39 | elzalem | i thought that the combined image has the emmc image too (since it's called "combined") is that true? |
| 21:37.46 | Sicelo | what about data u already have? |
| 21:37.59 | elzalem | Sicelo: everything is backed up |
| 21:38.27 | Sicelo | they're separate |
| 21:38.41 | Sicelo | why u want to flash? |
| 21:39.55 | elzalem | Sicelo: well after 3 months of messing with it |
| 21:40.11 | elzalem | i want to start again :) |
| 21:40.27 | Sicelo | ok. :) |
| 21:41.14 | luke-jr | I love how N900 kernels are buggy as heck -.- |
| 21:41.22 | luke-jr | needs to try rebuilding his again |
| 21:41.52 | Sicelo | wishes someone could compil usb-modeswitch for N900 |
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| 21:54.29 | DocScrutinizer | what's usb-modeswitch? |
| 21:54.57 | luke-jr | my guess: the hack to put N900 into host mode |
| 21:55.26 | SpeedEvil | I think it was something from the 810 naieevely compiled for the 900 |
| 21:55.33 | SpeedEvil | which never had a hope of working |
| 21:56.01 | DocScrutinizer | aaah that old stuff, yeah |
| 21:56.56 | DocScrutinizer | the brilliant thing that afaik basically did nothing but just "echo host >mode" |
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| 23:45.21 | Sicelo | no. usb-modeswitch is a utiliyu to eject 'fake ' cd-rom drive on zerocd based usb devices |
| 23:46.53 | Sicelo | when first connected, the usb device acts as a cd-rom drive from which the driver gets installed. a flip-lop is then set and the devices appears as whatever it is meant to be. the cd-rom disappears. |
| 23:47.43 | Sicelo | for linux, usb-modeswitch sets the flip-flop |
| 23:52.00 | SpeedEvil | I must have been thinking of some other device |
| 23:53.29 | Sicelo | np :) |
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| 23:59.05 | SpeedEvil | Some other package |