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| 01:05.54 | Primes | hi, did anyone use the FM transmitter in their n900? |
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| 07:28.00 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: nvm the codes should all work since pr1.2 |
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| 07:29.20 | DocScrutinizer | the 3 digit USSD codes yes. Not so the 2digit SC |
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| 07:30.27 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: some like *96#? |
| 07:30.32 | DocScrutinizer | yup |
| 07:30.46 | chem|st | wasnt that to get the device serial or some |
| 07:30.55 | psycho_oreos | no |
| 07:30.59 | DocScrutinizer | nfc what's 96 |
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| 07:31.24 | DocScrutinizer | generally queries are with a leading *# |
| 07:31.31 | psycho_oreos | *#06# is imei, *96# is probably SIM contacts |
| 07:31.32 | DocScrutinizer | while "on"=* |
| 07:31.38 | DocScrutinizer | and "off"=# |
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| 07:33.09 | chem|st | I tried all codes my provider makes use of and I could ever need and even the *<somedigits>*<myphonenumber>*<2digits># worked to change the combox timeout |
| 07:33.10 | DocScrutinizer | ["*" "#" "*#"]NN[("*"<param>)]* "#" |
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| 07:34.26 | chem|st | phones still use all this stuff but the user doesn't see it anymore |
| 07:34.43 | chem|st | but there was a mess with fwd'ish behaviour was it? |
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| 07:35.44 | chem|st | psycho_oreos: hmm thought it was one of the s/n things, not imei, the SIM SN or something |
| 07:35.56 | chem|st | imei is the chips networkserial |
| 07:37.05 | chem|st | got no device handy where those work |
| 07:37.41 | khertan | Morning |
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| 07:37.47 | DocScrutinizer | see tmo thread (aka "bugtracker") of *#-ena |
| 07:38.03 | khertan | i know i ll be out of topic ... but what is the lifetime of a sd card ? |
| 07:38.12 | DocScrutinizer | the referred paper has it all |
| 07:38.44 | khertan | Dvd backup aren't real backup ... (unreadable after one year) |
| 07:39.03 | DocScrutinizer | aaah stoarge durability |
| 07:39.08 | khertan | yeah ... |
| 07:39.14 | khertan | i m facing a problem now |
| 07:39.18 | DocScrutinizer | probably >5 years |
| 07:39.25 | khertan | hum ... not so bad |
| 07:39.36 | DocScrutinizer | soe at a cool place |
| 07:39.56 | khertan | is thinking of buying a few 8Gb sd card to do backup |
| 07:39.56 | DocScrutinizer | it's electrical charge that can vanish over time |
| 07:39.57 | khertan | :) |
| 07:40.03 | DocScrutinizer | store* DANG |
| 07:40.29 | DocScrutinizer | better use good old magnetic HDD |
| 07:40.31 | khertan | electrical charge could vanish even stored in a protected bag ? |
| 07:40.48 | DocScrutinizer | supposed lifespan shelf storage >30 years |
| 07:40.54 | khertan | DocScrutinizer, yeah ... supposed |
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| 07:41.21 | khertan | DocScrutinizer, i got one the both drive i use for the backup which died |
| 07:41.50 | khertan | it was written 5 or 6 time ... |
| 07:42.02 | DocScrutinizer | from stowing away in a shelf for years? unlikely |
| 07:42.04 | khertan | and wasn't use seens 1 years ... |
| 07:42.17 | khertan | when use it ... power ... pouf ... |
| 07:42.22 | khertan | controller card died :) |
| 07:42.28 | DocScrutinizer | dang |
| 07:42.29 | khertan | so yeah data is still here |
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| 07:42.38 | DocScrutinizer | you can replace controller though |
| 07:42.40 | khertan | i recover them |
| 07:42.41 | chem|st | khertan: some like 10k-100k ZERO bits |
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| 07:43.22 | DocScrutinizer | controllers also have flash storage which will vanish after 5..20 years, so yeah :-S |
| 07:43.33 | chem|st | khertan: I killd on on first sight, the second after a month, 1TB backup disk |
| 07:44.01 | khertan | oups |
| 07:44.17 | DocScrutinizer | while data on magnetic media survives for centuries, your controller is prone to "die" from vanishing firmware after "short" time |
| 07:44.22 | chem|st | and the crank people had not attached a sata-usb adapter they put an usb-controller on to the 2.5" disk |
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| 07:46.41 | khertan | so there is no real way to store things |
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| 07:47.09 | khertan | without copying them on new storage every years |
| 07:47.39 | chem|st | khertan: write with "real" ink on pyruspaper survived centuries |
| 07:48.01 | khertan | i mean digital things |
| 07:48.14 | chem|st | the worse is CD or DVD burning |
| 07:48.24 | khertan | i didn't see any printer which are able to print video on pyruspaper :) |
| 07:48.29 | khertan | chem|st, yep i know |
| 07:48.31 | chem|st | after that is usb-pendrives |
| 07:48.40 | chem|st | then ssd |
| 07:48.51 | chem|st | then print DVD |
| 07:49.00 | chem|st | then hdd |
| 07:49.12 | khertan | usb pendrives isn't secure .... specially with all bad chineese chipset |
| 07:49.15 | khertan | hdd ... |
| 07:49.23 | chem|st | leaving out the casettes /dev/null things... |
| 07:50.31 | psycho_oreos | you could do what the egyptians et. al. have done for centuries, carving words onto stone bricks :p they will last almost an eternity |
| 07:50.45 | chem|st | best is SOTA hdd attached when backup time is and stored on a shelf far away from microwaves and othe e-magnetic things |
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| 07:51.23 | chem|st | psycho_oreos: most wars destroy it... even those without bullets... |
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| 07:51.42 | psycho_oreos | wtf wrong keys.. anyway.. SOTA? |
| 07:51.44 | chem|st | psycho_oreos: most wars destroy it... even those without bullets... |
| 07:51.49 | chem|st | state of the art |
| 07:52.25 | psycho_oreos | chem|st, not if you build a city of data underground and have all these writings carved beneath earth's surface ;) |
| 07:52.47 | chem|st | as long as there is pci I will be able to look at my backups back from 1992 |
| 07:53.00 | khertan | yeah but will not resist to an earth quake |
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| 07:54.06 | chem|st | 5 1/4" x2 HDD 32A starting current^^ scsi2 |
| 07:54.17 | psycho_oreos | strategically located `data stones' where they are nowhere near the fault lines can be deemed almost invulnerable ;) |
| 07:54.38 | chem|st | you have to set the controller to spinup dealy of 500ms or you kill one PSU after another |
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| 08:10.10 | DocScrutinizer51 | konttori_work: morning :) |
| 08:11.22 | SpeedEvil | chem|st: Starting current if 5 1/4" HDs was nowhere near that high |
| 08:11.39 | konttori_work | DocScrutinizer51: MORNING! |
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| 08:13.28 | konttori_work | the shader plugin for qt4.7 is pretty neat. I need to try it out later today. |
| 08:13.31 | konttori_work | https://qt.gitorious.org/qt-labs/qml1-shadersplugin/blobs/master/examples/shadereffects/qml/shadereffects/WaterEffect.qml |
| 08:13.56 | konttori_work | Need to finally install qt sdk to my work macbook pro. |
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| 08:25.54 | edheldil | If anybody is interested how the film studios do solve the digital storage problem - they copy the digital data (i.e. CGI models, textures, ...) to films and store them in data retention facilities. The durability of a film is at least 100years |
| 08:26.38 | edheldil | also magnetic tapes (e.g. LTO) have data retention measured in tens of years, I think. |
| 08:27.01 | radiofree | the durability isn't 100 years if rats nibble through the tape |
| 08:28.26 | edheldil | Storage on magnetic discs has also a problem with bearing lubricants, they are not designed for a long time storage without spinning them up ocassionally |
| 08:29.03 | jpinx-out | 3why not use extra big dvd's' |
| 08:29.11 | edheldil | radiofree: but the same holds for pergames and papyrus as well |
| 08:29.37 | edheldil | jpinx-out: their durability is abysmal |
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| 08:31.15 | edheldil | long term data retention is a BIG problem nowadays, because we produce so much data, that copying to anything durable (like titan tablets) is problematic |
| 08:31.41 | jpinx-out | for long term I suppose it is important to increase the size of the format so that the detail is not lost |
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| 08:36.03 | jacekowski | well, thing is, what is worth storing for long term |
| 08:36.07 | jacekowski | all pr0n we produced? |
| 08:36.14 | jacekowski | or crappy hollywood movies? |
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| 08:37.14 | edheldil | this is perhaps what I read about it long ago: http://www.oscars.org/science-technology/council/projects/digitaldilemma/index.html |
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| 08:38.58 | edheldil | jacekowski: that depends on your preferences, of course. Generally the data you can reasonably expect to need in some distant future and which are imossible or costly to recreate |
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| 08:40.44 | edheldil | the problem with our civilization is that we produce data on opurselves on media which will perish after only few years - be it literature, art ... |
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| 08:42.30 | edheldil | If I remember it correctly, some data from pioneer years of space exploration are simply lost - including the construction plans for US spacecrafts or st. like that |
| 08:45.09 | edheldil | original ciphertext enigma messages from Bletchley park were destroyed, so what officially remains from that big heap of cipher material, is some odd hundred or so of messages |
| 08:45.12 | edheldil | and so on |
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| 08:49.04 | edheldil | you can well imagine, that without active preservation efforts, there won't be practically any data left from us in 500 or 1000 eyars |
| 08:51.48 | edheldil | stops ranting. Sorry :-) |
| 08:52.57 | KrayonWork | I'm SOO depressed now |
| 08:52.58 | KrayonWork | :P |
| 08:54.23 | jacekowski | we will be extinct like dinosaurs |
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| 09:05.31 | DocScrutinizer | definitely |
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| 09:07.42 | DocScrutinizer | in 1000 years future generations will still be able to find - and decipher - hieroglyphs of old Egypt, but there'll be left *very* little data from our time. Unless somebody takes care of creating a new backup clone of the whole $RANDOM_ARCHIVE every ~5 years |
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| 09:10.00 | DocScrutinizer | somewhere in Iceland or some other northern European country (IIRC) there's a project where they store all sorts of data printed on microfiche rolled up and sealed in stainless steel tubes, in a bunker. |
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| 09:10.48 | DocScrutinizer | that's supposed to last for at least 1000 years |
| 09:12.02 | DocScrutinizer | deciphering/read_out is rather simple and no problem to even reverse-engineer in 2000 or 5000 years, unlike e.g. mp3 or pdf |
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| 09:15.38 | DocScrutinizer | while I had no hope at all to recover the data from a super high quality philips compact cassette I used for storing that data from a ZX81 in 1990 or sth, and that's just 20some years ago. Even worse for same storage media when used with my old NASCOM computer |
| 09:16.16 | Vib3 | edheldil: http://millenniata.com/m-disc/ |
| 09:17.14 | chem|st | SpeedEvil: manual said some between 26-32A on 12V + 5V |
| 09:18.20 | DocScrutinizer | even if you had done the "right thing" and stored your data to a HDD some few decades ago, you'll hardly find a computer supporting the MFM or RLL interface of this old HDD nowadays |
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| 09:21.00 | svuorela | hi peoples. slightly offtopic, but, anyone knows if there is a place that sells spare parts (screen) for n900 ? |
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| 09:21.15 | DocScrutinizer | svuorela: mompls |
| 09:21.50 | DocScrutinizer | http://www.klc.fi/fin/tuotteet/Nokia-Varaosat-N900?page=1 |
| 09:22.14 | DocScrutinizer | http://www.saremi-mobilfunk.de/ |
| 09:22.45 | DocScrutinizer | http://www.ersatzteil-service-24.de/?url=http://shop.euras.com/detailsseite2.php?redirect=1&pic=Y41070&vgl=1&g7=839472N |
| 09:23.31 | DocScrutinizer | http://www.ownta.com/original-nokia-n81-n900-cell-phone-speaker.html |
| 09:24.10 | DocScrutinizer | http://www.acceport.com/product_info.php?language=en¤cy=USD&products_id=1836 |
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| 09:24.56 | svuorela | hmm... a screen looks quite expensive as a sparepart. |
| 09:27.24 | chem|st | SpeedEvil: ah what you mean is the spinup I guess, those disks took ~22sec to spin up... and the current was nothing near 20A... |
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| 09:27.48 | svuorela | ...my current screen seems to have stopped working in my n900. backlight seems to be working, but there is no actual signal to the display showing anything |
| 09:28.33 | DocScrutinizer | svuorela: yes, the LCD is >>USD50, the digitizer aka resistive touchpanel aka front glass also >>USD30 |
| 09:29.29 | chem|st | SpeedEvil: try to find a specs sheet of the disks I had.... |
| 09:29.47 | DocScrutinizer | svuorela: that however (blank screen though backlight works) might be related to flexible plastic connector "cable" |
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| 09:30.38 | KrayonWork | tip for the day: when your N900 starts doing random keypresses, don't assume it screwed - first confirm your cheap and nasty bluetooth keyboard that's in your bag is actually turned off properly :P |
| 09:30.54 | jpinx | heh |
| 09:31.16 | DocScrutinizer | chem|st: very old SCSI drives (the 8" type with maybe 20MB) well took >200W of power |
| 09:31.18 | KrayonWork | I was stressing because I love my lil' N900 |
| 09:31.23 | svuorela | DocScrutinizer: interesting. is it a thing that can go 'loose' or a thing that can break ? |
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| 09:31.35 | DocScrutinizer | it usually breaks |
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| 09:32.22 | svuorela | and what's the sparepart for that? or is it only available with a display? |
| 09:34.28 | DocScrutinizer | http://www.ownta.com/original-nokia-n900-cell-phone-slide-flex-cable-ribbon-with-camera.html |
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| 09:34.40 | jpinx | svuorela: http://www.siansmobiles.co.uk |
| 09:35.16 | jpinx | svuorela: I just ordered a new lcd for about 450 delivered to Thailand |
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| 09:35.36 | jpinx | for about $50 |
| 09:35.54 | jpinx | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:35.57 | DocScrutinizer | ownta not exactly most economic seller right ATM |
| 09:36.26 | DocScrutinizer | but the first addr to find such things |
| 09:36.39 | DocScrutinizer | you might find cheaper via fleabay |
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| 09:37.01 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: I think it was 5 1/4" full size... (or is full size 8"?) |
| 09:37.13 | KrayonWork | http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/NEW-Camera-Flex-Cable-Flat-Ribbon-NOKIA-N900-/320667231257?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4aa941a419 |
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| 09:37.35 | chem|st | the fujitsu 1GB still sell for $80 |
| 09:37.58 | KrayonWork | ~$17 - $20 odd on eBay it would seem. |
| 09:40.15 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: @24V often |
| 09:40.19 | SpeedEvil | usually |
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| 09:45.12 | crashanddie | sup people |
| 09:45.20 | DocScrutinizer | moo crashanddie |
| 09:45.31 | SpeedEvil | Steve Jobs is to be appointed new CEO of Nokia. |
| 09:45.52 | DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: guess what - it's been the motherboard, not the X300 graphics card :-/ |
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| 09:46.44 | crashanddie | dayum |
| 09:47.00 | jpinx | SpeedEvil: I wish... ;) |
| 09:48.05 | DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: plugged in the HD5450, worked without any driver installation to some extent (guess xserver used VESA fallback), then I changed BIOS settings to full fledged POST and VGA-POST-on-resume, and that killed the mobo |
| 09:49.11 | DocScrutinizer | resetting BIOS by removing CR2032 and jumper-dance didn't cure the issue |
| 09:49.32 | DocScrutinizer | board not even beeped anymore on POST |
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| 09:53.11 | elysion_ | hi! does anyone know how to mute an incoming call on n900? |
| 09:53.25 | elysion_ | I've been googling for a good while, but cannot find any API for this |
| 09:54.13 | psycho_oreos | I know how to mute it without using API, you just flip N900 upside down :) |
| 09:54.28 | crashanddie | Fuck me |
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| 09:54.44 | crashanddie | Touchpad ordered, confirmed, yada yada yada |
| 09:54.49 | psycho_oreos | o.O |
| 09:54.49 | elysion_ | psycho_oreos: sadly cannot make the phone flip by using only software :/ |
| 09:54.58 | crashanddie | Now I called the shop to see what the status was, and they tell me "we had some yesterday, but they're all gone" |
| 09:55.08 | crashanddie | so why the fuck would they sell them if I've paid for them. fuckers. |
| 09:56.11 | psycho_oreos | elysion_, its not a phone, its an internet tablet with phone functionality. There has to be some other ways I think, maybe knownokia.ca blog may have information on it |
| 09:56.14 | psycho_oreos | lol they're lazy |
| 09:59.42 | psycho_oreos | crashanddie, are they going to refund your money? |
| 09:59.48 | crashanddie | hah |
| 09:59.49 | crashanddie | well |
| 09:59.58 | crashanddie | of course they are |
| 10:00.27 | psycho_oreos | good at least its not like they'll try and run away denying it all ;) |
| 10:00.46 | chem|st | elysion_: grep the call when incoming call and flip, and make a script with it... |
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| 10:01.10 | crashanddie | psycho_oreos, I paid by credit card, so I can tell my bank to stuff them |
| 10:01.17 | chem|st | 1st is "dbus" call... |
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| 10:01.35 | psycho_oreos | lol even better |
| 10:01.48 | ruskie | http://www.reghardware.com/2011/08/25/nokia_launches_100_101_cheapest_phones_yet/ <-- hmm might be nice as a backup phone |
| 10:01.59 | crashanddie | psycho_oreos, though, I hate what's happening, because when we went in to order at 9.29AM 9the shop opens at 9.30), all the sales guys were gleaming because they'd bought all the tablets in stock before the shop opened |
| 10:02.00 | DocScrutinizer | elysion_: open ssh via WLAN, call phone, fire " dbus-monitor --system >dbuslog_sys.txt& dbus-monitor --session >dbuslog_sess.txt&" in ssh, mute phone by flipping it screen down, kill %1 %2 in ssh, stop caling phone, scrutinize the generated logs for the proper dbus-msg to trigger muting |
| 10:02.16 | crashanddie | which I guess, is fair enough. They work there, they deserve to get some benefits |
| 10:02.32 | crashanddie | But if they can't put 3 fucking tablets away for people who were obviously as excited as they were |
| 10:02.36 | crashanddie | Is just stupid |
| 10:03.22 | elysion_ | DocScrutinizer: that is what I have been trying to do |
| 10:03.32 | elysion_ | but haven't had much luck yet |
| 10:03.38 | DocScrutinizer | hmm |
| 10:04.00 | DocScrutinizer | then it's probably sth mce does internally, so nothing shows up on dbus |
| 10:04.19 | chem|st | crashanddie: what tablets.. |
| 10:04.32 | DocScrutinizer | "mission control" comes to mind. Don't ask me why |
| 10:04.52 | psycho_oreos | crashanddie, they're probably desperate to either resell it or keep it for themselves. Being a sales staff I suppose with direct access to the store's inventory, its no wonder that it can severely piss customers off when the customers simply couldn't go around and collect it but instead wait in a queue |
| 10:05.46 | crashanddie | Considering I spent nearly 4 grand in that store in less than 6 months, I was expecting a bit more respect, frankly. |
| 10:07.32 | crashanddie | Anyway |
| 10:07.35 | crashanddie | lunch break |
| 10:07.56 | crashanddie | Going to the store now, will see. Also taking a few tyrespikes with in case they behave like dicks. |
| 10:08.05 | edheldil | you can't buy Hp TP here at all. $99 is such a nice price :( |
| 10:09.59 | psycho_oreos | edheldil, did you see that tmo thread in buy & sell? |
| 10:10.34 | elysion_ | have there been any discounts on pre:s? |
| 10:12.41 | psycho_oreos | I think pre 3 was sold rather cheap in UK only.. as noted in another tmo thread |
| 10:12.53 | nid0 | it hasnt been sold discounted at all here yet |
| 10:12.58 | nid0 | (uk) |
| 10:13.11 | psycho_oreos | pre 3? not the tablet |
| 10:13.30 | nid0 | pre 3. supposedly hp uk will be confirming any major price drop tomorrow |
| 10:14.57 | psycho_oreos | ahh, I saw the thread about it on the little tracker window (shows latest posts on far right side on tmo) |
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| 10:20.51 | edheldil | psycho_oreos: no ... anything interesting in it? From what I have sampled, it's mostly complaints about OnSale |
| 10:21.39 | psycho_oreos | edheldil, nope, like I said I only saw it from that `ticker' thingy on the right side of the webpage on tmo |
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| 10:23.54 | Sicelo | lol, http://www.expansys.co.za/nokia-soft-cover-for-nokia-n9-black-221140/ |
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| 11:50.10 | ruskie | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/08/25/windows_8_file_changes/ |
| 11:51.27 | ruskie | According to that data, copying, moving, renaming, and deleting files are "far and away the most heavily used features within Windows Explorer" and account for half of all commands. <-- erm... it's a file manager... you know... it's meant to manage files... |
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| 12:02.30 | MOUD | hey all |
| 12:04.07 | MOUD | how can I install the previous version of Power Kernel(version 47) since the new one (version 48) is not compatible with MobileHotspot? |
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| 12:05.17 | MOUD | note: i'm using the default nokia kernel now |
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| 12:14.33 | MOUD1 | I got dc :S |
| 12:15.02 | MOUD1 | psycho_oreos: extras-devel is unavailable right now, but tks for the info |
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| 12:16.20 | psycho_oreos | MOUD1, without it, you have to deal with installing 4 packages |
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| 12:18.39 | MOUD1 | I'm trying to find a way to install via apt-get but i cannot select the specific kernel i want, it will install the latest one |
| 12:19.59 | psycho_oreos | apt-get install kernel-power=2.6.28-maemo47 |
| 12:23.00 | MOUD1 | kernel-power not found |
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| 12:26.24 | psycho_oreos | you'll need to enable extras-devel because power47 isn't available elsewhere via apt method |
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| 13:48.21 | ohookins | X-Fade: i've heard you are the man to ask about false-positive missing dependencies on maemo.org/packages ? |
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| 13:55.31 | crashanddie | ohookins, try asking him about finding heroin in Amsterdam. Now he's _the_ guy. |
| 13:56.25 | ohookins | crashanddie: surely for that task just about anybody on the street is the guy |
| 13:57.19 | crashanddie | just about any guy will get you arrested. |
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| 15:09.23 | ohookins | X-Fade: ping |
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| 16:27.03 | lcuk | hey |
| 16:27.13 | lcuk | are there any fractal generators for maemo? |
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| 16:29.06 | newbie007 | Hi, I think there is a problem with youtube-dl,, perhaps youtube has updated. However this script works on my pc (which has been updated recently) the error is... |
| 16:29.40 | newbie007 | ERROR: no fmt_url_map or conn information found in video info |
| 16:30.07 | MohammadAG | it's cause i haven't updated it |
| 16:31.01 | MohammadAG | scp the script from your pc to /usr/bin |
| 16:31.14 | newbie007 | do you know if its possible to get hildon desktop working on other distros? |
| 16:31.35 | newbie007 | I'm interesting in getting fedora on the nook color with the hildon-desktop |
| 16:31.38 | MohammadAG | it is, see cordia and check youtube for hildon desktop on ubuntu |
| 16:31.45 | newbie007 | thanks, I'll update the file |
| 16:32.17 | newbie007 | it really is superior to android imho |
| 16:32.30 | MohammadAG | hildon's awesome |
| 16:32.38 | MohammadAG | on good hardware it's even better |
| 16:33.03 | MohammadAG | the N950 with maemo 5 would've been awesome |
| 16:33.19 | newbie007 | what is "cordia"? then next name of maemo? |
| 16:34.17 | newbie007 | Cordia is a project to bring Maemo 5âs UI (Hildon Desktop and related components) to the MeeGo distribution. |
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| 16:44.49 | javispedro | Cordia on the N950 is probably doable |
| 16:45.21 | javispedro | however -- no rotation, and no resizing support for vkb |
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| 16:56.31 | SpeedEvil | http://www.theonion.com/video/apple-introduces-revolutionary-new-laptop-with-no,14299/ :) |
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| 17:54.50 | ohookins | X-Fade: ping |
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| 19:01.14 | Atarii | hey cehteh, just wanted to say thanks for the pointer the other night about pcap version |
| 19:01.23 | Atarii | got the program compiled and working great now |
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| 19:06.34 | Atarii | is there anyway to temporarily hide the bar in xterm? |
| 19:08.15 | villager | Atarii: you mean like tapping the fullscreen button visible in the bar? |
| 19:08.34 | Atarii | like that but the other way round |
| 19:08.41 | Atarii | hiding the bar with the buttons |
| 19:09.22 | villager | hmm, not sure if there's a way without changing the config |
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| 19:18.40 | alien_ | hello, I have 'not enough space' issues with camera-ui whenever I try to take a photo |
| 19:18.44 | alien_ | there is like 7G free on my user partition |
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| 19:18.53 | alien_ | is there a way to debug this? |
| 19:21.33 | villager | Atarii: if you do want to change the config: ~ $ gconftool-2 -t bool -s /apps/osso/xterm/toolbar false |
| 19:21.54 | villager | Atarii: and of course true to restore it |
| 19:21.55 | Atarii | ooo thanks :) |
| 19:22.30 | alien_ | MohammadAG: are you a camera-ui developer? |
| 19:23.08 | Atarii | villager that worked great, thanks again |
| 19:23.22 | alien_ | (I use latest OSSO-CSSU since it was released and it used to work until a week ago or so) |
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| 21:08.13 | khuong | Can anyone help me with the autobuilder problem? |
| 21:09.30 | khuong | hellow |
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| 21:12.55 | khuong | Can anyone help me with the autobuilder problem? |
| 21:13.11 | khuong | please |
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| 21:38.30 | DocScrutinizer | could somebody create a forward from http://forums.internettablettalk.com to http://talk.maemo.org please, rather than still supporting the old obsolete URL |
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| 21:40.30 | jacekowski | forwards mess with pagerank |
| 21:40.53 | DocScrutinizer | for obscure reasons often the Itt hits are higher in ranking than the equiv tmo hits, on google. Which is annoying as you won't get auto-login on the Itt URL when you click on it |
| 21:41.56 | DocScrutinizer | actually I'd guess nobody needs the Itt URL really meanwhile |
| 21:42.21 | DocScrutinizer | it's like a zombie sneaking in all the time |
| 21:43.45 | DocScrutinizer | I'd set up a global s/forums.internettablettalk.com(talk.maemo.org/ on my browser, if only it would support this |
| 21:44.10 | DocScrutinizer | s/(/\// |
| 21:44.39 | DocScrutinizer | s/(/|/ |
| 21:44.52 | DocScrutinizer | :nod: expected this |
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| 21:46.51 | Atarii | DocScrutinizer you could put a redirect in your hosts file ;p |
| 21:48.20 | DocScrutinizer | umm, do you think that would help to avoid the wron |
| 21:48.34 | DocScrutinizer | wrong URL to show up in addr field of browser? |
| 21:49.03 | DocScrutinizer | Atarii: I don't even see how to set up a redirect there. Possibly ignorance |
| 21:50.12 | DocScrutinizer | jr@halley:~> host talk.maemo.org |
| 21:50.14 | DocScrutinizer | talk.maemo.org is an alias for forums.internettablettalk.com. |
| 21:50.15 | DocScrutinizer | forums.internettablettalk.com has address 74.86.202.247 |
| 21:50.42 | Atarii | don't they have different IPs? |
| 21:50.55 | DocScrutinizer | obviously not :-P |
| 21:51.12 | Atarii | ah maemo.org does, not the talk subdomain |
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| 21:51.14 | Atarii | my ad |
| 21:51.24 | Atarii | bad* |
| 21:51.45 | FIQ|n900 | redirect... |
| 21:51.50 | DocScrutinizer | exactly |
| 21:52.17 | FIQ|n900 | can't you just use some htaccess magic or whatever you use as webserver |
| 21:52.46 | DocScrutinizer | *I*? use nothing as webserver |
| 21:52.54 | FIQ|n900 | uh |
| 21:52.58 | FIQ|n900 | ok, tmo |
| 21:53.04 | FIQ|n900 | s/you/tmo/ |
| 21:53.06 | FIQ|n900 | happy? |
| 21:53.15 | DocScrutinizer | I'm using a browser that doesn't have cookies and stored passwords for ITT URL |
| 21:53.26 | FIQ|n900 | ohh |
| 21:53.47 | FIQ|n900 | i didn't get what you wanted |
| 21:54.17 | DocScrutinizer | so I'm back to the useless orange default theme and not logged in when I click on a Itt URL |
| 21:54.51 | DocScrutinizer | there are URLs that forward to another URL |
| 21:55.13 | DocScrutinizer | I'd think that'd be the right behaviour for Itt |
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| 21:58.16 | DocScrutinizer | like http://ct.de redirects to http://www.heise.de/ct/ |
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| 21:59.51 | DocScrutinizer | NFC how that works (guess with some "597 moved permanently" HTTP reply), but obviously it can be done and works flawlessly |
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| 22:01.54 | fizzie | s/597/301/, but other than that even the official response name matched exactly. |
| 22:02.08 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
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| 22:15.57 | DocScrutinizer | fizzie: so it's up to the browser to keep the "parameters" (like "/showthread.php?p=1022444#post1022444") and just call the new URL with the same parameters? Then it's be pretty simple to configure that 301 response for http://forums.internettablettalk.com |
| 22:16.00 | FIQ|n900 | Hm, any swedes here? |
| 22:16.18 | FIQ|n900 | i've a quick question that can be skipped (but would prefer not) |
| 22:17.06 | FIQ|n900 | I'll take that as a "no" |
| 22:17.42 | DocScrutinizer | actually I think building a proper new URL for the 301 destination from the "parameters" of the current request also is just simple enough |
| 22:18.17 | NIN101 | most people are afk. Anyway, without tempting fate, looks like meegocharge.tar from http://enivax.net/jk/n900/ works on rescue OS, unlike charge.sh which causes interrupt errors after some time :-). |
| 22:18.41 | fizzie | DocScrutinizer: It's up to the browser to keep the anchor (#foo) part, but I think the server's supposed to repeat the query string (?foo) part. Anyway, Apache's mod_redirect (and certainly mod_rewrite) can both redirect a path like /foo, so that /foo/anything goes to schema://newurl/bar/anything. |
| 22:20.15 | DocScrutinizer | fizzie: thought as much. For Itt vs tmo it's as simple as it gets, just the domain changes, the rest stays as is |
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| 22:21.48 | fizzie | For a POST request generally the data isn't sent to the new address, but that's usually not a problem, except transiently for someone who opens a form-containing page with the old address before the redirection, and then submits it after the redirection has been enabled. |
| 22:22.05 | DocScrutinizer | fizzie: btw thanks for a hint why sometimes anchors fail to work here |
| 22:23.04 | NIN101 | Hmm, we could create an initrd which directly starts charging and does nothing more. This would help people who's battery drained and are in a reboot loop or something. |
| 22:23.14 | DocScrutinizer | esp on mxr.maemo.orh I never get the right line |
| 22:23.44 | DocScrutinizer | NIN101: excellent plan! :-D |
| 22:25.11 | DocScrutinizer | NIN101: btw what are those interrupt errors? |
| 22:26.12 | NIN101 | DocScrutinizer: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=TSAMg7p5 |
| 22:27.04 | DocScrutinizer | DUH! |
| 22:27.45 | MohammadAG | I can't mount my PC's rootfs |
| 22:27.55 | MohammadAG | mount goes on indefinately |
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| 22:28.46 | MohammadAG | ps x shows D on the process mount |
| 22:28.50 | javispedro | potential hard disk failrue |
| 22:29.03 | MohammadAG | Windows works javispedro |
| 22:29.07 | MohammadAG | same HDD |
| 22:29.16 | MohammadAG | and something in my bootup segfaults |
| 22:29.21 | javispedro | run fsck then |
| 22:29.29 | MohammadAG | no fsck |
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| 22:30.14 | MohammadAG | I was dropped into an initramfs shell |
| 22:30.25 | iluminator101 | is there an app with alarm that reminds you stuff that is due? |
| 22:30.27 | MohammadAG | live CD also fails to boot |
| 22:30.35 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: look at http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=TSAMg7p5 :-o |
| 22:30.54 | DocScrutinizer | caused by charge.sh on meego |
| 22:31.37 | MohammadAG | calendar? |
| 22:31.50 | DocScrutinizer | iluminator101: calendar, or better alarmed |
| 22:32.31 | FIQ|n900 | <NIN101> most people are afk. Anyway, without tempting fate, looks like meegocharge.tar from http://enivax.net/jk/n900/ works on rescue OS, unlike charge.sh which causes interrupt errors after some time :-). |
| 22:32.44 | FIQ|n900 | Yeah, but i didn't needed it that much |
| 22:32.52 | FIQ|n900 | so i stopped waiting |
| 22:33.17 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: on meego means with meego CE N900 kernel? |
| 22:33.25 | NIN101 | yes |
| 22:33.32 | DocScrutinizer | ask NIN101 but yes |
| 22:34.40 | javispedro | heh |
| 22:34.50 | javispedro | I was recently trying to understand that piece of code |
| 22:34.59 | javispedro | I mean, the timer wheel algorithm |
| 22:35.42 | javispedro | http://lxr.linux.no/#linux+v2.6.35.9/kernel/timer.c#L1012 |
| 22:37.22 | javispedro | this is Stskeeps domain afaik, why is CONFIG_DEBUG_BUGVERBOSE not set? |
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| 22:43.44 | DocScrutinizer | lost me |
| 22:44.15 | javispedro | the double fault is because a BUG() on arm causes a fault |
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| 22:44.18 | DocScrutinizer | anyway that's for sure a bug in meego kernel, no? |
| 22:44.53 | javispedro | and the original BUG() seems to be because there's a corrupted timer in the per-cpu timer list |
| 22:45.11 | DocScrutinizer | I can't see why charge.sh would trigger these kernel panics, while meego-charge.tar doesn |
| 22:45.13 | javispedro | so, nfi: it could be from bad hw to sw bug. |
| 22:45.24 | DocScrutinizer | t |
| 22:46.28 | DocScrutinizer | actually meego-charge is using bq27200 sysnodes while charge.sh doesn't afaik |
| 22:46.49 | javispedro | I do not know any of either |
| 22:47.02 | DocScrutinizer | other than that both scripts aren't that much different |
| 22:47.08 | NIN101 | charge.sh didn't work while bq module was loaded |
| 22:47.23 | DocScrutinizer | mhm |
| 22:47.42 | DocScrutinizer | ohwell |
| 22:48.03 | DocScrutinizer | which bq module? bq27200? |
| 22:48.48 | javispedro | i'd check bq27200 timer usage |
| 22:48.52 | NIN101 | bq27x00_battery.ko... |
| 22:48.59 | javispedro | maybe it does it while the wrong lock held or similar... |
| 22:49.04 | javispedro | s/while/with |
| 22:50.28 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, charge.sh also uses bq27200, though via direct i2cget. It wouldn't need to do that anyway, but when it does this obviously will conflict with bq27200.ko |
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| 22:51.12 | DocScrutinizer | same issue as with bme and supposed new jrbme |
| 22:51.34 | DocScrutinizer | and with bme and bq27200.ko in maemo |
| 22:52.53 | DocScrutinizer | obviously they did some REALLY NASTY hack on meego kernel to allow bme to access bq27200 via direct i2cbus access (just like charge.sh does) |
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| 22:53.19 | DocScrutinizer | goes bathroom, throwing up |
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| 22:55.24 | DocScrutinizer | btw a good example why bq27200 driver hack is BAD |
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| 22:56.19 | DocScrutinizer | exactly this class of bug I expected when I learnt some funny guy decided to kick out the locking for I2C access |
| 22:57.05 | DocScrutinizer | well, pali removed this abomination of a kernel driver/patch from PK48 |
| 22:57.38 | DocScrutinizer | sighs |
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| 23:01.00 | DocScrutinizer | that's what you get when you patch the kernel to match requirements introduced by a borked POS blob like bme |
| 23:01.31 | DocScrutinizer | that's btw the reason why I stopped on jrbme |
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| 23:02.33 | Psi | has anyone noticed the FMboot kills the IR until you reboot? |
| 23:02.50 | DocScrutinizer | FMboot? |
| 23:02.53 | Psi | im not 100% sure yet, but twice IR has stopped after using fmboost |
| 23:03.02 | SpeedEvil | Seems unlikely. |
| 23:03.03 | Psi | yeah, its an app that boosts the FM tx power |
| 23:03.05 | DocScrutinizer | aah boost |
| 23:03.15 | Psi | yeah, sorry |
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| 23:04.06 | DocScrutinizer | unlikely but I also noticed *some* issues with IR LED. Dunno if they night be related to FMboost though |
| 23:04.14 | DocScrutinizer | s/night/might/ |
| 23:04.43 | DocScrutinizer | IRreco stopped working for me lately |
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| 23:04.51 | Psi | yeah |
| 23:04.58 | Psi | its a bit unstable |
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