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| 01:44.00 | Primes | hi I'm running n900 maemo 5 PR1.3. I updated some apps. When I resume from a locked screen, I see the message now "package "kernel-power-settings" no found. I don't think I want to update the kernel because I'm dual booting meego, and don't want to break what works. So what should I install to get rid of this message, was it some overclocking type app? |
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| 01:50.56 | Macer | omg this asus transformer is great |
| 01:50.58 | Macer | :) |
| 01:51.03 | Macer | where is meego for the transformer |
| 01:51.07 | Macer | heh |
| 01:51.16 | wmarone__ | ask Asus |
| 01:51.56 | wmarone__ | or start a port, there are tegra 2 drivers available now |
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| 01:54.08 | Macer | heh. i am joking. honeycomb is actually pretty good |
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| 01:55.42 | Primes | allegedly the nokia n950 developer phone appears in the latest transformers movie |
| 01:56.30 | Macer | heh |
| 01:56.39 | Macer | too bad that is probably the only one ever made :) |
| 01:56.43 | Macer | jk |
| 01:56.58 | Macer | i wish nokia would just use their heads sometimes |
| 01:57.10 | Macer | i can't see using meego the way i used maemo with no qwerty |
| 01:57.12 | Macer | i would go nuts |
| 01:57.16 | Primes | about 250 were given out to community developers (only to a quarter of people requesting them) |
| 01:57.31 | wmarone__ | Primes: I'm sure people in here are well aware of that ;) |
| 01:57.36 | Primes | macer I guess if you want qwerty you can tether a bluetooth keyboard? |
| 01:57.43 | Macer | Primes: not the same |
| 01:57.45 | Macer | :) |
| 01:57.59 | Primes | but I think PAYING developers (commercial ones) could still get them |
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| 01:58.11 | Macer | don't get me wrong it is a good solution i suppose but sometimes you just want t pull it out the pocket and flip it open |
| 01:58.30 | wmarone__ | you can, but nokia still goes over the requests and you have to be published in the Ovi store |
| 01:58.31 | Macer | like the n900.. which has a surprisingly good qwerty for its size |
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| 01:58.39 | Macer | lol |
| 01:58.42 | Primes | I flip open my n900. Typing numbers using the shift key thing is harder |
| 01:58.53 | Macer | the ovi store?? HAHAHA |
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| 01:59.05 | Macer | 250 of those devs were probably for 1 app ;) |
| 01:59.10 | wmarone__ | no |
| 01:59.20 | Macer | i am trying to think of anything good in the ovi store and it isn't coming to mind |
| 01:59.24 | Primes | is the DC-11(k) charger thing still available? |
| 01:59.26 | wmarone__ | the 250 distributed via meego.com were for open source apps |
| 01:59.38 | wmarone__ | via developer.nokia.com requires more than just signing up and paying |
| 01:59.41 | Primes | true wmarone |
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| 02:00.14 | Primes | what MORE does it require? Our company could sign up as a developer. More tempting if I get a n950 out of it |
| 02:00.30 | Macer | are the tegra drivers actually open? |
| 02:00.37 | wmarone__ | you could sign up, but as I said Nokia reviews applications and I believe you have to have something published in the Ovi store |
| 02:00.43 | wmarone__ | Macer: of course not |
| 02:00.48 | Primes | I would be surprised |
| 02:01.00 | wmarone__ | vgrade did get them to do a meego compatible build though |
| 02:01.23 | Primes | hmmmmm, so we can publish some "me too" type simple app. |
| 02:01.33 | Macer | that's kind of nice as long as they stick with thte same kernel ;) |
| 02:01.51 | Macer | which honestly i wouldn't see a need to update the kernel too often |
| 02:01.54 | wmarone__ | the drivers are userspace |
| 02:02.03 | Macer | oh.. wow |
| 02:02.07 | wmarone__ | you can upgrade the kernel, you just have to port the tegra 2 bits |
| 02:02.19 | wmarone__ | now those bits are open, but useless without the userspace binary |
| 02:02.30 | wmarone__ | and this is common across pretty much every SoC GPU |
| 02:02.41 | Macer | looks at the n900 |
| 02:02.46 | wmarone__ | so you can't up and switch glibc versions, or make ABI changes |
| 02:02.48 | Macer | no wait |
| 02:02.49 | Primes | I'm dualbooting PR1.3 and meego CE. If I upgrade to "power kernel" type stuff I think it can break the workingness? |
| 02:02.50 | Macer | the n810 :) |
| 02:03.22 | wmarone__ | so long as the "power kernel" is only used by Maemo, it shouldn't |
| 02:03.30 | wmarone__ | cause MeeGo CE won't work with the old 2.6.28 kernel that Maemo uses |
| 02:04.28 | Primes | anyway something I noticed from today. When I unlock the screen I now get a message : package "kernel-power-settings" not found! Seems I updated something that tries to use it. Any ideas what? |
| 02:04.54 | wmarone__ | any widgets? |
| 02:05.48 | Primes | I had maxcpu loaded, I uninstalled it but get the same message |
| 02:06.40 | FIQ|n900 | <Primes> I'm dualbooting PR1.3 and meego CE. If I upgrade to "power kernel" type stuff I think it can break the workingness? |
| 02:07.17 | FIQ|n900 | if you use uboot as the way to get dualboot, you can't install the "normal" powerkernel package |
| 02:07.22 | FIQ|n900 | it will conflict |
| 02:07.39 | Primes | that's what I thought |
| 02:08.03 | Primes | I am using uboot to launch the meego, so I didn't install or want installed the powerkernel stuff |
| 02:08.05 | FIQ|n900 | uboot-power does install the powerkernel for maemo, while still utilizing uboot |
| 02:08.30 | FIQ|n900 | so you get meego CE + a maemo with powerkernel |
| 02:08.30 | Primes | something is now complaining it's now loaded. So I now want to locate and uninstall the thing that is complaining |
| 02:09.00 | Primes | ? ? No I don't get that combination because I read it will conflict |
| 02:09.28 | FIQ|n900 | uhm |
| 02:09.51 | FIQ|n900 | uboot-power conflicts with uboot, yes, as uboot is provided with uboot-power |
| 02:11.25 | Primes | what is the command (I think it's a variant of dpkg to locate what things depend on kernel-power-settings? |
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| 02:17.33 | Primes | I think kernel-power-flasher might be installed, and kernel-power-settings seems not. |
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| 06:55.37 | DocScrutinizer | priI stongly suggest NOT to install kernel-power-settings |
| 06:55.54 | DocScrutinizer | priTABTAB |
| 06:55.58 | DocScrutinizer | grr |
| 06:57.07 | psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer, have you played with mounting ubifs images on N900 itself? |
| 06:57.27 | DocScrutinizer | played? o |
| 06:57.29 | DocScrutinizer | no |
| 06:57.45 | psycho_oreos | bah :/ thanks |
| 06:58.00 | DocScrutinizer | what's your question? |
| 06:58.27 | DocScrutinizer | you know I also never stopped beating my wife |
| 06:59.19 | psycho_oreos | This is going to sound stupid but I'm trying to mount an extracted PR1.3 firmware's rootfs image on N900 because I'm a little lazy to get make a custom kernel on my lappy for mounting PR1.3's rootfs :| |
| 06:59.30 | DocScrutinizer | (I'm single, for those who might have missed the pun) |
| 07:00.31 | radiofree | how is that a pun? |
| 07:01.11 | psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer, following this guide with rather mixed results: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=403015&postcount=3 |
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| 07:01.47 | psycho_oreos | I used mtd_debug instead of dd, created two character files with names /dev/mtd6 && /dev/mtd6ro |
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| 07:03.48 | psycho_oreos | shit on me.. lol I didn't ubidetach the device and N900 froze for a good while before rebooting. Must've been kpanic |
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| 07:04.18 | cityLights | help please, I just upgraded the kernel , and can no longer boot |
| 07:04.34 | cityLights | can I flash ONLY the kernel? |
| 07:05.18 | psycho_oreos | err didn't ubidetach after having mtd_debug first wrote to /dev/mtdblock6 and then ubiattached that. I redid mtd_debug with a more refined <len> but completely forgot to ubidetach first hence the whole freeze and reboot |
| 07:05.19 | psycho_oreos | yes |
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| 07:09.05 | psycho_oreos | good thing it seems like I didn't cause any severe effects it seems running kp48 by pali. On second thoughts I need to kick my backside a little and rather than making N900 do all the hard yards (whilst maintaining 6 ubifs) I should probably solely use laptop |
| 07:10.41 | DocScrutinizer | psycho_oreos: sorry I completely miss the point of that 2009(!) psot, maybe it's not even meant for N900 |
| 07:11.05 | jpinx_gone | anyone done a screen replacement themselves? Any photos of the job? |
| 07:12.01 | psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer, I'm thinking of the exact thing after reading a few posts from the same thread. Nobody indicated they used N900, so I'm guessing that I'm reinventing the wheel by doing it all on N900. I just ssh'ed in and looks like I lost those created special character devices /dev/mtd6 && /dev/mtd6ro. |
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| 07:12.39 | psycho_oreos | I seriously thought it would be a simple job with dealing ubifs.. guess I was really wrong on the contrary :) |
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| 07:13.55 | DocScrutinizer | psycho_oreos: I completely miss the point, totally all together and I've no time for reading thru it right now. It'd guess using mtd_debug on N900 is probably a sure way to kill your device for good when you don't know what you're doing |
| 07:14.48 | psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer, indeed but I wasn't that stupid/desperate to do it on any of the existing /dev/mtd, hence I created a new one by hand but that didn't work |
| 07:15.34 | psycho_oreos | going to try and not perform the same mistake again and see if I can get it going.. failing it the second time I will definitely need to kick myself in the backside and compile custom kernel on me arch lappy |
| 07:15.38 | DocScrutinizer | how could it, all the space on NAND is used for mtd0..5 |
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| 07:16.19 | psycho_oreos | *shrugs* I used mknod for that matter, and it seemed to work, even with mtd_debug onto /dev/mtd6 |
| 07:17.00 | DocScrutinizer | psycho_oreos: FFS where to will mtd_debug write after that? |
| 07:17.25 | DocScrutinizer | over your kernel? over CAL partition? |
| 07:17.39 | DocScrutinizer | or *just* over rootfs |
| 07:19.28 | DocScrutinizer | definitely modprobe mtd* is a friggin nonsense on N900 as the rootfs already is on a mtd |
| 07:19.38 | psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer, if it overwrote those areas apart from rootfs, my device would have been rendered unbootable. Fortunately that wasn't the case so it seems like that data is stored elsewhere |
| 07:19.47 | DocScrutinizer | so the whole descriptions is NOT meant for N900 |
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| 07:20.16 | DocScrutinizer | HAH |
| 07:21.45 | DocScrutinizer | honestly, DON'T MESS WITH MTD and MTD_DEBUG UNLESS YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOURE DOING |
| 07:22.34 | DocScrutinizer | psycho_oreos: you're aware overwriting CAL *might* brick your N900 for good |
| 07:23.56 | psycho_oreos | fyi, if mtd_debug did write onto remaining NAND space which is essentially rootfs spare space it would have outputted a lot less figure with ubiattach. However with 13 or so MB space in NAND (assuming rootfs current setup) and ubiattach reported somewhere around 120MB+ mark I seem doubtful but *shrugs* I never really bothered reading over the fine detail on ubifs |
| 07:24.04 | psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer, yup |
| 07:24.32 | psycho_oreos | and in some ways I don't think CAL can be easily overwritten.. but I could be way off the mark there |
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| 07:24.51 | DocScrutinizer | indeed you are |
| 07:25.42 | DocScrutinizer | with mtd_debug it takes me one cmdline and 5s to *really* brick the device |
| 07:26.41 | psycho_oreos | but with using the existing mtd? or a newly created one? |
| 07:27.12 | DocScrutinizer | dang, where to does the newly created one point????? |
| 07:27.42 | DocScrutinizer | there IS NO remaining free space for yet another /dev/mtd on N900 |
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| 07:28.23 | DocScrutinizer | see /proc/mtd |
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| 07:30.32 | psycho_oreos | well with standard setup one can see all mtd used. |
| 07:30.57 | DocScrutinizer | and sorry no, I have NFC how /dev/mtd gets mapped to actual NAND addr. In uBoot + openembedded there's a kernel cmdline parameter "mtdparts=..." that defines addr for /dev/mtd |
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| 07:31.55 | DocScrutinizer | and you're pretty fsckd regarding hot flashing (under system) if those mtdparts are missing |
| 07:32.09 | DocScrutinizer | have to run, bbl o/ |
| 07:32.39 | psycho_oreos | thanks for input |
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| 07:34.16 | DocScrutinizer | one last thing: I'd guess they emulate NAND in RAM, however no idea *how* they do, maybe with a patched mtd kernel module (modprobe mtd*)? I'd try to simply loopmount the ubifs on my laptop |
| 07:35.03 | DocScrutinizer | or the whle thing is about maemo on beagleboard or whatever |
| 07:38.32 | psycho_oreos | yeah that's what everyone else does. I guess I don't have a choice there but to recompile my kernel to have ubifs and such support, namely mtd. I wonder if scratchbox dev env has that enabled in their kernel |
| 07:40.55 | cityLights | DocScrutinizer: hi again |
| 07:41.00 | cityLights | remeber me? |
| 07:41.49 | cityLights | well. today I was asked to upgrade my power-kernel, which I did and now, I can't boot |
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| 07:42.05 | cityLights | I got no other phone here and I need it to work again |
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| 07:46.18 | cityLights | I am at the nokia images page, which to image to choose? |
| 07:46.28 | cityLights | what is the eMMC image? |
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| 07:47.18 | psycho_oreos | 29GB: /home/user/MyDocs |
| 07:48.01 | chem|st | cityLights: RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin |
| 07:48.29 | chem|st | cityLights: there is always a "latest" in bold written up front |
| 07:48.37 | cityLights | can I just use the kernel from it? |
| 07:48.47 | psycho_oreos | it doesn't contain kernel |
| 07:49.22 | cityLights | how to flash only a kerenl |
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| 07:49.24 | psycho_oreos | and that's not the latest image as well, not for fiasco |
| 07:49.39 | DocScrutinizer | and you usually are busted when you flash a kernel without flashing matching modules which are in rootfs |
| 07:49.41 | cityLights | it all heppened because I upgraded power kernel |
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| 07:50.21 | cityLights | can I get the kernel from the power kernel? |
| 07:50.23 | DocScrutinizer | no, it happened because you have multiboot I'd guess |
| 07:50.27 | psycho_oreos | you need: 1) fiasco image of pr1.3 2) flasher-3.5 3) to read flasher-3.5 documentation. You can flash certain portions instead of the whole thing |
| 07:50.36 | cityLights | I didnt multiboot |
| 07:51.15 | cityLights | so to install mobile hostspot I need power kernel |
| 07:51.33 | psycho_oreos | with power kernel installations /lib/modules still retain kernel modules for the original nokia kernel brew |
| 07:51.44 | cityLights | great |
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| 07:52.08 | cityLights | so all I need is the kernel from the power kernel - how to get that? |
| 07:52.20 | psycho_oreos | that's not to say that its foolproof but something worthy to note about |
| 07:52.52 | psycho_oreos | its inside the power-kernel flasher package iinm |
| 07:53.11 | cityLights | if I know how to download the power kernel package the deb file |
| 07:54.10 | psycho_oreos | there's simply no point to it because flasher afaik only accepts specific filenames, and neither would simply flashing power-kernel would do the trick. It might even be modules stuffed up |
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| 07:56.21 | cityLights | ok, so I must flash the kernel and the rootfs |
| 07:57.13 | psycho_oreos | it's safer if you do flash both, yes and its guaranteed pretty much to give you a proper restore |
| 07:59.37 | cityLights | flasher -f --flash-only=kernel -k "RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin" |
| 07:59.45 | cityLights | WARNING: bad kernel format in RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin |
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| 08:00.07 | psycho_oreos | and you were told about that eMMC image |
| 08:00.30 | cityLights | ok, I dont understand |
| 08:00.54 | cityLights | I donr want to loose my rootfs, as I got stuff there that I didnt backup yet |
| 08:01.14 | cityLights | so I just want to try and flash a kernel for now |
| 08:01.17 | cityLights | right? |
| 08:01.38 | psycho_oreos | there's no way you would not lose stuff in rootfs. If you flashed it normally with fiasco image, you will erase your rootfs setup. |
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| 08:02.11 | psycho_oreos | and I told you before that eMMC image does not contain kernel |
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| 08:03.50 | chem|st | cityLights: eMMC is your home and mydocs... COMBINED is the kernel in |
| 08:04.27 | chem|st | and who is to play with his device and NOT backup stuff... |
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| 08:04.42 | psycho_oreos | its otherwise noted beside the file that its a PR image |
| 08:04.43 | markinfo | I would nee some application for bike, where to import GPS data and it shows the way. For maemo. |
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| 08:07.20 | cityLights | ok, I need a min |
| 08:07.28 | cityLights | I just upgraded |
| 08:07.32 | cityLights | I didnt backup |
| 08:07.48 | cityLights | I am not going to format my entire internal mmc now |
| 08:07.54 | cityLights | need to solve this |
| 08:08.40 | psycho_oreos | flashing just the kernel won't necessarily solve the issue. If you're lucky enough, it maybe is all that's needed. If not you're still screwed |
| 08:10.11 | chem|st | markinfo: something like openstreetmaps capable? or just waypoints |
| 08:10.28 | psycho_oreos | actually I recall there was a symlink to current under /lib/modules and it was pointing current to kp. So in theory, DocScrutinizer is still pretty much right :) |
| 08:10.31 | chem|st | don't know if columbus supports following waypoints yet |
| 08:10.58 | cityLights | ok, I need help now to do this |
| 08:11.07 | cityLights | I need help to flash just the kernel |
| 08:11.17 | chem|st | ~tell cityLights about flashing |
| 08:11.40 | markinfo | chem|st, it would be enough just now waypoints - but openstreet capable would be nice to - here http://www.outdooractive.com/live/Alpregio-Regionskarte/Niederoesterreich are GPS downloadable but how to use that? |
| 08:12.24 | chem|st | ehrm I never tried to "follow" waypoints, I just displayed them in mappero |
| 08:12.29 | chem|st | as route |
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| 08:14.00 | chem|st | I'd try mappero, it has an "open" route entry in the menu and asks for a file... |
| 08:14.21 | chem|st | ~seen alterego |
| 08:14.29 | infobot | alterego is currently on #harmattan #meego. Has said a total of 173 messages. Is idling for 11h 33s, last said: 'Though I'm guessing that's meant for someone else :)'. |
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| 08:16.21 | chem|st | markinfo: for tracking your own I use gps recorder, offshore columbus comes handy but navigates to only one waypoint and I think without corridor |
| 08:17.01 | markinfo | chem|st, i am hurry now - i will try mappero. |
| 08:17.40 | chem|st | if there are directions in your waypoints it will talk to you! |
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| 08:20.18 | markinfo | chem|st, what sort of GPS format should i Take? GPS exchange format .gps ? |
| 08:21.15 | chem|st | markinfo: I think it reads most stuff like kmz gpx and so on.. |
| 08:21.33 | chem|st | look at t.m.o or package description for more |
| 08:22.04 | chem|st | just loading their website... |
| 08:22.48 | chem|st | gpx is said featured on the website |
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| 08:24.37 | markinfo | chem|st, i can not find where to import in mappero GPS data. |
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| 08:25.26 | chem|st | the bend street icon with the flag at the end is for routing, tap it there "open" |
| 08:26.46 | markinfo | chem|st, super - i am very hurry - it shows something. |
| 08:27.12 | chem|st | markinfo: \o/ |
| 08:27.45 | DocScrutinizer | moo chem|st |
| 08:27.52 | chem|st | moo DocScrutinizer o |
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| 08:30.04 | chem|st | hail satellites! indoorfix... |
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| 08:33.24 | wazd | hey all |
| 08:49.20 | cityLights | chem|st: well, I need to relax first, |
| 08:49.42 | cityLights | having your phone go ooo is not easy on a day like today |
| 08:49.56 | cityLights | I allready looked at the wiki , and didnt get it |
| 08:50.06 | cityLights | maybe in an hr |
| 08:56.54 | cityLights | I meent that in http://wiki.maemo.org/Kernel_Power#Installation_of_the_stable_kernel_from_extras |
| 08:57.29 | cityLights | I also see this line |
| 08:57.32 | cityLights | flasher-3.5 -f --flash-only=kernel -R -F <firmware-image> |
| 08:57.48 | cityLights | but dont understand from where to get that image file |
| 08:58.50 | psycho_oreos | ... from the same place where you saw that eMMC image |
| 08:58.54 | psycho_oreos | ~flash |
| 08:58.54 | infobot | from memory, maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
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| 09:06.06 | cityLights | tried to follow the wiki |
| 09:06.09 | cityLights | sudo flasher -f --flash-only=kernel -R -F "RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin" |
| 09:06.19 | cityLights | got ERROR: APE algorithm has to be provided to flash all the subimages |
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| 09:07.32 | psycho_oreos | some people never listen and never learn |
| 09:07.51 | cityLights | ok ok |
| 09:08.07 | cityLights | I will sit later and read the whole wiki page |
| 09:10.33 | cityLights | so your advice is just to flash the whole device |
| 09:10.38 | cityLights | got it |
| 09:10.50 | cityLights | I am trying to salvage the rootfs |
| 09:11.07 | psycho_oreos | facepalms |
| 09:12.13 | psycho_oreos | you were told twice that eMMC image does NOT contain kernel. No matter how many iterations you repeat the same process with the exact same eMMC image the end result is still the same |
| 09:12.40 | cityLights | ok |
| 09:12.53 | cityLights | so I need to try a non emmc file? |
| 09:12.56 | cityLights | which then? |
| 09:13.08 | cityLights | RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1.002_PR_COMBINED_002_ARM.bin ? |
| 09:13.14 | psycho_oreos | the answer was already written awhile back |
| 09:13.21 | psycho_oreos | rather, the hint |
| 09:13.36 | cityLights | ok so I need to download RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1.002_PR_COMBINED_002_ARM.bin |
| 09:14.07 | psycho_oreos | on the same website, do you not see columns, and of one row that has the words `Latest release'? |
| 09:14.18 | psycho_oreos | s/row/rows/ |
| 09:14.34 | psycho_oreos | ffs |
| 09:14.52 | cityLights | RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2.002_PR_COMBINED_002_ARM.bin 200305277 PR 1.3 version 20.2010.36-2 Latest Maemo 5 USA release for Nokia N900 |
| 09:15.29 | psycho_oreos | there should be at least 3 rows with the words `Latest' printed, Look for the one that matches your locality |
| 09:15.46 | cityLights | thansk for this help |
| 09:15.53 | cityLights | I can now act to solve my issue |
| 09:22.02 | cityLights | psycho_oreos: Latest Maemo 5 has five flavors |
| 09:22.20 | cityLights | then there is a Latest Vanilla version of the eMMC content for Nokia N900 |
| 09:22.23 | SpeedEvil | Has there been a statement from nokia about the developer.nokia.com hack? |
| 09:23.06 | cityLights | as yu said I shouldnt try the emmc I dowloaded the Latest Maemo 5 |
| 09:23.23 | cityLights | then run sudo flasher -f --flash-only=kernel -R -F "RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2.003_PR_COMBINED_003_ARM.bin" |
| 09:23.39 | cityLights | Image SW version RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2.003_PR_003 |
| 09:23.39 | cityLights | ERROR: APE algorithm has to be provided to flash all the subimages |
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| 09:26.43 | psycho_oreos | cityLights, five localities, US, MENA, India, UK and Global. |
| 09:27.13 | cityLights | I tried the MENA and it fialed |
| 09:27.16 | cityLights | failed |
| 09:27.28 | cityLights | ERROR: APE algorithm has to be provided |
| 09:27.53 | cityLights | same with US |
| 09:28.06 | cityLights | what am I doing wrong? |
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| 09:30.12 | psycho_oreos | where did you get the flasher tool from |
| 09:30.36 | psycho_oreos | better yet, where is it executed from, the device itself? or the computer? |
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| 10:29.17 | cityLights | psych_oreos: back from lunch |
| 10:29.31 | cityLights | psych_oreos: running the flasher from the linux computer |
| 10:29.47 | cityLights | got the flasher at http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php?f=flasher_3.11.5_i386.deb |
| 10:29.58 | cityLights | all info came from maemo wiki |
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| 10:32.17 | psycho_oreos | cityLights, you tried global firmware? I'm guessing that would probably be the same case..and if it is I'd try the tarballed version of flasher (flasher-3.5 is the one I used and didn't show up anything about APE algorithm) |
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| 10:38.30 | cityLights | sudo flasher-3.5 -f --flash-only=kernel -R -F "RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2.003_PR_COMBINED_003_ARM.bin" |
| 10:38.32 | cityLights | worked |
| 10:38.50 | cityLights | dots! |
| 10:38.52 | cityLights | YES |
| 10:39.06 | cityLights | psycho_oreos: THANKS! |
| 10:39.14 | cityLights | psycho_oreos: can I buy you bear! |
| 10:40.04 | psycho_oreos | cityLights, wtf a bear :p more like beer would be handy :p |
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| 10:44.27 | cityLights | sorry |
| 10:44.56 | chem|st | can I have the bear if you don't want it? |
| 10:45.03 | cityLights | pm me where your from and i will try to send you |
| 10:45.21 | cityLights | well, I am traveling to rome in 28 days |
| 10:45.26 | cityLights | be happy to pay |
| 10:45.30 | psycho_oreos | I'll trade you my bear for your N950 in return or otherwise no deal ;) |
| 10:45.50 | psycho_oreos | cityLights, forget it :) I live all the way on the other side of the hemisphere lol |
| 10:47.50 | cityLights | wish I had appllied for the N950 in time |
| 10:47.59 | cityLights | but, yes, I should backup |
| 10:48.38 | psycho_oreos | hahaha chem|st is all quiet now that I made my terms of wanting that bear clear ;) |
| 10:51.50 | cityLights | well, I like to thank you both guys |
| 10:52.02 | cityLights | for this and previous times |
| 10:52.19 | cityLights | back to coding in ec2 and trying to make som things work |
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| 11:47.39 | cityLights | ok, I fixed maemo-update-resolvconf in openvpn |
| 11:47.45 | cityLights | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1075215#post1075215 |
| 11:47.52 | cityLights | how to submit it upstream/ |
| 11:47.54 | cityLights | ? |
| 11:51.59 | Appiah | make a bug report , attach the patch ? |
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| 12:17.39 | Termana | good morning |
| 12:18.45 | DocScrutinizer | morning Termana |
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| 13:20.00 | vi___ | pre 3 @ 75£! |
| 13:21.09 | nid0 | the question is where |
| 13:21.22 | vi___ | 2 rumours |
| 13:21.26 | vi___ | this friday |
| 13:21.41 | vi___ | or a shop I am watching, have a decision by 5 tonight (UK) |
| 13:22.45 | vi___ | does it even come with xterm? |
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| 13:59.11 | DocScrutinizer | pree three free |
| 13:59.38 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: where? |
| 13:59.48 | DocScrutinizer | in my rhyming brain |
| 13:59.56 | hiemanshu | o |
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| 14:01.06 | DocScrutinizer | honestly I never knew pre3 is a reality, and though it seems to be now I wonder who'd be interested in this definitely stillborn platform |
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| 14:04.40 | chem|st | well if it is 50eur I would give it a try... |
| 14:04.55 | vi___ | chem|st: More like 75 I am afraid. |
| 14:05.06 | vi___ | Unfortunatley ALL german stock has been sold. |
| 14:05.27 | chem|st | amazon has it listed for sept 5th for much more |
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| 14:51.04 | GAN900 | So if a big part of the TouchPad's shittiness comes from first boot slowness |
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| 14:51.20 | GAN900 | and that's due to indexing, etc |
| 14:51.38 | GAN900 | and assuming they're flashing a predictable firmware image. |
| 14:51.52 | GAN900 | Why wouldn't the index be part of that image? |
| 14:52.08 | javispedro | ask Nokia! |
| 14:52.12 | javispedro | they used to do the same |
| 14:52.31 | javispedro | GAN900: btw, got lucky? |
| 14:52.42 | GAN900 | No |
| 14:52.54 | GAN900 | I stopped trying after Saturday |
| 14:53.18 | GAN900 | too much important shit to do to deal with a Wii-like retail insanity like that. |
| 14:53.24 | javispedro | :) |
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| 15:04.00 | ruskie | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/08/23/google_forums/ |
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| 15:16.45 | MohammadAG | anyone got an example to a singleton Qt class? |
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| 15:20.22 | javispedro | the TP wannabes even order at full price and then hold store clerk's children to ransom until they price match |
| 15:20.25 | javispedro | cannot compete with that |
| 15:20.37 | javispedro | well, maybe if I tried to cause world war 3... |
| 15:31.14 | MohammadAG | oh nice, my laptop battery needs a replacement, or at least that's what P.O.S.T., KDE and Windows are saying |
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| 15:35.33 | vi___ | MohammadAG: rip it open, replace cells & reset IC. |
| 15:37.16 | vi___ | ironically, webOS now has maximum market penetration. |
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| 15:39.09 | MohammadAG | vi___, I'd rather find a replacement :P |
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| 15:39.42 | MohammadAG | ponders bring an open Harmattan mediaplayer to fremantle |
| 15:39.59 | vi___ | *vi__ nods, sage like. |
| 15:40.11 | vi___ | ^ / me |
| 15:41.16 | vi___ | You know what os really a bitch? When people hardcode screen resolution in SDL games. Makes porting 'em a whole fuck harder. |
| 15:41.25 | vi___ | s/os/is |
| 15:41.31 | vi___ | s/os/is/ |
| 15:41.36 | vi___ | -_- |
| 15:43.18 | DocScrutinizer | why not deploy ready-done index? If your data isn't tightly locked to the index (e.g combined vs vanilla image) then you better not ship an index that doesn't match |
| 15:43.44 | vi___ | also it allows you image to be smaller. |
| 15:43.52 | javispedro | vi___: maximum Android market penetration |
| 15:43.55 | DocScrutinizer | indeed |
| 15:44.05 | vi___ | javispedro: ? |
| 15:44.47 | javispedro | vi___: all of the major news site reporting on the android on touchpad stuff more than webos update planned news |
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| 15:45.43 | vi___ | javispedro: and to think my girlfriend didnt want to get one on account of the fact that it didnt have 'droid and it 'may' be ported in the future... |
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| 15:48.28 | MohammadAG | I want one :( |
| 15:52.12 | javispedro | my opinion of android and specially of android devs has gotten even lower in these two previous days |
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| 15:55.21 | DocScrutinizer | I guess that's hardly possible for mine |
| 15:57.00 | DocScrutinizer | though as always this of course is an undue generalisation |
| 15:57.19 | vi___ | javispedro: wjat has happened JP? |
| 15:57.35 | vi___ | s/wjat/what/ |
| 15:57.43 | javispedro | it's rather too degrading for them to explain publicly. |
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| 15:57.59 | vi___ | Is this the whole closed source honeycomb thing? |
| 15:58.32 | javispedro | suffice to say that I've been called troll a few times for stating what I was able to do |
| 15:59.04 | javispedro | and that I've had to tell a few times I was the preenv guy so that they started to believe me, something I don't like to do. |
| 15:59.19 | javispedro | but either way, I already called it a day. |
| 16:01.07 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 16:01.25 | DocScrutinizer | sounds like #*droid |
| 16:03.41 | vi___ | JP, wtf are you on about? |
| 16:04.23 | javispedro | vi___: talking about the android on touchpad gentlemen. |
| 16:04.39 | DocScrutinizer | it's alway android folks when it comes to completely nuking sth several generations of highly educated unix developers built up, as those guys found a better way to do it. That's why I hate android |
| 16:06.15 | javispedro | one funny thing is how they always start with, "the kernel", "the kernel". |
| 16:06.15 | DocScrutinizer | let's swap scheduler for something new, the ones that are used so far in unix/linux are all braindamaged, but we now have a new thing called linked list and that cuts it, really. |
| 16:07.25 | MohammadAG | is QWidget::setParent safe to use? |
| 16:07.29 | DocScrutinizer | we already tested it in android and it performs like mad, now I want to replace the openmoko kernel's scheduler so it will profit of andoid's divine awesomeness |
| 16:08.10 | javispedro | MohammadAG: on X11 it should be quite safe to use |
| 16:08.24 | DocScrutinizer | </quote> to avoid any WTFs on recipient's side |
| 16:08.25 | javispedro | but.. |
| 16:08.36 | javispedro | no idea about the new Qt versions. |
| 16:09.41 | MohammadAG | grr |
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| 16:10.11 | MohammadAG | in an attempt to make the nowplayingwindow a singleton class in my mediaplayer, I broke it |
| 16:10.19 | MohammadAG | I'm pretty sure it's a Qt bug though |
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| 16:12.27 | javispedro | hm |
| 16:12.55 | javispedro | not sure how that kind of stuff is done in Qt |
| 16:14.32 | MohammadAG | I'm done with the class, but stacked windows are showing on top of each other now |
| 16:15.32 | DocScrutinizer | honestly I often wonder: in the 'old days' unix was pretty OK with running on a 5MHz CPU with 512k of RAM and a 10MB disk (to give some ballpark numbers). Back when, concepts got developed how to deal with scarce resources. Then devices got GB of storage and even RAM and GHz of CPU grunt even on embedded, and those old concepts were long forgotten. But would you think now when devels notice they managed to bloat their system to a degree it |
| 16:15.33 | DocScrutinizer | doesn't perform even on those GHz&GB monsters they would recal those oldies but goodies? no way, they prefer to invent incredibly weird new stuff, optification is just a minor example of a fix to a non-issue |
| 16:18.15 | DocScrutinizer | notices he's in a particularly ranting mood today |
| 16:22.14 | edheldil | DocScrutinizer: to be honest, the unix of old did not have desktop environment to speak of, if you do not count twm or fvwm - and with X it wanted at least 4MB anyway, did not it? |
| 16:23.08 | edheldil | or maybe just *linux* on console wanted at least 4MB to install |
| 16:25.18 | DocScrutinizer | edheldil: I knew somebody would reply along that line - nevertheless I think it's irrelevant as adding in GFX didn't change anything basically. The *only* thing that fundamentally changed since the very first days of unix is nowadays CPU's are supposed to throttle and sometimes even suspend, and "computers" aren't meant to be online 24/7/366 |
| 16:26.53 | DocScrutinizer | that's why ntpd nowadays isn't the measure of choice to keep time of your smartphone |
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| 16:27.51 | edwinsage | DocScrutinizer: What's happened is that developers have made oodles of tools to speed up development, on the old addage that programmer time is more expensive than computer time. |
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| 16:28.30 | edwinsage | And these tools use a ton of unneccesary resources, but make things easier on the developer. |
| 16:28.36 | edwinsage | At least, that's the intent. |
| 16:29.16 | DocScrutinizer | yup, and RAM is more cheap than developer manpower as well. Alas RAM is not a multiplicative resource, while a well written program is |
| 16:29.23 | edheldil | DocScrutinizer: having GSM network available running ntpd to get exact time is a bit redundant, ain't it? |
| 16:29.35 | edwinsage | Personally, I think at this point they muck things up, but marketers know that software that looks shiny will sell much better than software that runs well, so here we are. |
| 16:29.49 | DocScrutinizer | afk |
| 16:30.39 | edheldil | software gets only more bloated, that was evident when first Windows came ;-) |
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| 16:32.23 | edwinsage | This is why I had to write my own playlist-building media player as a shell script for the N770. All the players available used more memory than the tablet had. |
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| 16:33.06 | javispedro | now that we have 1 GiB on the N950, expect bloat to increase tendfold! |
| 16:33.51 | edwinsage | But I'm a grumpy old man when it comes to computers. Heck, up intil a month age my main desktop computer was 600mHz with 320MB of RAM. |
| 16:34.17 | edwinsage | s/age/ago |
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| 16:36.45 | Sicelo | 512MB ram |
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| 17:38.33 | GAN950 | Why do I need an account to pay a bill online with someplace I'm never gonna be again. . . . |
| 17:39.06 | javispedro | GAN950: buy buy buy buy buy buy buy buy buy! |
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| 17:57.58 | MohammadAG | javispedro, GAN900 / GAN950 got an HP touchpad? |
| 17:58.10 | javispedro | not here |
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| 17:58.23 | MohammadAG | c'mon people, we need to start porting Android!!! |
| 17:58.29 | javispedro | kills MohammadAG |
| 17:58.31 | MohammadAG | hides |
| 17:58.37 | javispedro | too late |
| 17:58.47 | javispedro | also, a grue ate you while in your hiding place |
| 17:58.56 | MohammadAG | classmate's gonna see if he can get one for me from BestBuy CA |
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| 17:59.09 | javispedro | just ONE? |
| 17:59.16 | javispedro | one for each bathroom! |
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| 17:59.30 | MohammadAG | I wish I could afford them |
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| 17:59.50 | MohammadAG | well, I wish prepaid cards could go over the $250 limit so I could afford them |
| 18:00.24 | MohammadAG | buying the N900 was hard |
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| 18:01.04 | javispedro | earthquake! |
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| 18:01.20 | MohammadAG | sure that wasn't the N950 email vibra? |
| 18:01.38 | javispedro | caused, obviously, by millions of touchpad wannebes receiving the news of no more stock at best buy. |
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| 18:05.19 | ruskie | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/08/23/samsung_battles_apple_with_kubrick/ <-- lol |
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| 18:24.16 | RST38h | well. moo. |
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| 18:33.32 | edwinsage | javispedro: Hey, one of my friends just felt that earthquake. |
| 18:33.40 | edwinsage | Well, not 'just'. |
| 18:33.44 | javispedro | moo RST38h |
| 18:34.24 | javispedro | edwinsage: seems that it might be important |
| 18:34.53 | edwinsage | javispedro: I looked it up, there was a 5.9 in Virginia at 1:51 EST. |
| 18:35.24 | edwinsage | I'm impressed that it made her place shake here in Michigan though. |
| 18:38.44 | MohammadAG | wasn't it in DC? |
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| 18:43.47 | MohammadAG | grr |
| 18:44.01 | MohammadAG | Harmattan goes from ringing to active to none on a missed call |
| 18:44.03 | MohammadAG | same as when aswering |
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| 18:44.12 | MohammadAG | answering* |
| 18:49.25 | MohammadAG | is Com.Nokia.Telephony.CallUi documented somewhere? |
| 18:52.42 | neal | MohammadAG: I read that you developped a facebook program (called socialize?) for the N900, but now I can't find the post nor your code. If that is correct, where is the code? Thanks. |
| 18:53.44 | MohammadAG | sociality, my project was originally called qtbook |
| 18:53.58 | MohammadAG | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=72842 https://gitorious.org/qtbook/qtbook |
| 18:54.04 | neal | thanks |
| 18:54.32 | MohammadAG | Got it |
| 18:54.50 | MohammadAG | ActiveCallUpdated: 1st parameter is number that's calling you |
| 18:55.10 | MohammadAG | 2nd parameter is call state, 0 = ringing, 3 = answered, 5 and 6 = ended |
| 18:55.38 | MohammadAG | 3rd parameter (uint) is possibly the call ID, which is always 0 unless the call is answered |
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| 18:56.16 | MohammadAG | 4th parameter is a boolean, that's always false, so idk |
| 18:56.37 | MohammadAG | a way to listen to missed calls is either state going from 0 to 5 and then 6 without the 3 in between, but that might also mean the call was rejected |
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| 18:59.25 | MohammadAG | the only way to me is from 0 -> 5 -> 6 + call ID = 0 + eventsAdded signal |
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| 19:41.25 | edwinsage | MohammadAG: DC area and/or Virginia. |
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| 19:58.23 | vi___ | smart reflex is causing my new n900 to reboot randomly even at 600MHz. My old one sat at 805 no problem. Does this mean I have a shit N900? |
| 19:59.45 | NIN102 | out of interest, which hw revision vi___? |
| 20:00.26 | jacekowski | vi___: smartreflex is broken by design |
| 20:00.32 | jacekowski | vi___: and overclocking is bad for you |
| 20:01.48 | Atarii | what easiets way to find hw revision? |
| 20:01.52 | Atarii | easiest* |
| 20:01.55 | NIN102 | cat /proc/cpuinfo |
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| 20:02.49 | Atarii | ah thanks |
| 20:02.56 | Atarii | 2101 here, what does that mean? |
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| 20:03.23 | Atarii | should my serial be all 0's? :s |
| 20:04.34 | NIN102 | dunno if hw revision matters at all. |
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| 20:06.48 | Sicelo | seems there's feeling that 2101 is more pron to usb fall-out than the rest :/ |
| 20:07.00 | Atarii | bugger :'( |
| 20:07.09 | ShadowJK | there's a reason why smartreflex is disabled by default |
| 20:07.10 | Sicelo | s/pron/prone/ |
| 20:07.22 | Atarii | no more connecting the USB cable for me then! |
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| 20:08.36 | Vib3 | hi |
| 20:08.58 | Atarii | anyone here compiled an app that has libpcap dependancies in scratchbox before? |
| 20:09.08 | Sicelo | no, i think you just have to be careful. besides, i don't even know if this is a confirmed fact.. as i said, "general feeling" |
| 20:09.22 | Vib3 | why doesn't # work with this? -> "dbus-send --system --type=method_call --print-reply --dest=com.nokia.csd.Call /com/nokia/csd/call com.nokia.csd.Call.CreateWith string:"$NUMBER" uint32:0" |
| 20:10.58 | Vib3 | trying touse '#' with number but it doesn't work, ideas? |
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| 20:16.20 | vi___ | ?? |
| 20:16.28 | vi___ | I have a 2104? |
| 20:16.35 | vi___ | what does that have to do with SR? |
| 20:16.48 | jacekowski | Vib3: because numbers don't have "#" |
| 20:20.16 | Vib3 | but you can dial it from UI and it works jacekowski |
| 20:20.27 | NIN102 | I have 2104, never tried OC and I don't want to. Only weird stuff is that during a normal bootup, just before X, I see (sometimes) the orange LED blinking, it becomes green and disappears after that. I never noticed such behaivior on my old N900. |
| 20:20.30 | jacekowski | you're not dialing this numbers |
| 20:20.34 | jacekowski | these are ussd codes |
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| 20:22.20 | Vib3 | ohh, so #31# sets mode in phone to hide number jacekowski? |
| 20:23.32 | jacekowski | no |
| 20:23.43 | jacekowski | it's requesting service from network |
| 20:23.59 | jacekowski | but because ussd in n900 barely works then i doubt there is any dbus api for them |
| 20:24.31 | Vib3 | k, works fine though from UI |
| 20:25.01 | jacekowski | it wasn't working just half a year ago |
| 20:25.32 | Vib3 | yea starhash-enabler app was needed |
| 20:26.57 | Atarii | anyone know how to fix "undefined reference to `pcap_create'" in scratchbox? |
| 20:27.06 | Atarii | I've installed libpcap0.8-dev |
| 20:27.33 | cehteh | your own program? |
| 20:28.05 | Atarii | not my own source |
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| 20:28.21 | cehteh | maybe made for a different version of libpcap then? |
| 20:28.30 | cehteh | or some broken build setup |
| 20:29.42 | Atarii | hmm maybe, it compiles fine for x86 target in scratchbox |
| 20:30.20 | cehteh | so check the configure or whatever it uses |
| 20:30.48 | vi___ | jacekowski: what do you mean SR is broken by design? |
| 20:31.03 | Atarii | there's just a make file with the normal "gcc -o hexinject hexinject.c -lpcap" |
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| 20:34.03 | cehteh | Atarii: that certainly needs a correct -lpcap line |
| 20:34.08 | cehteh | (err option) |
| 20:34.36 | cehteh | maybe some define -DPCAP_VERSION or whatever |
| 20:34.38 | jacekowski | vi___: smartreflex never worked |
| 20:34.47 | Atarii | ok thanks cehteh :) I'll have a dig in the source and see what I can find |
| 20:34.50 | jacekowski | vi___: if you read TI TRM they recommend not using it |
| 20:34.56 | cehteh | and order matters, try to move the -lpcap in front if the hexinject.c |
| 20:35.03 | Atarii | right ok |
| 20:38.19 | vi___ | jacekowski: then how come it worked on my old n900? |
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| 20:38.51 | cehteh | it works unreliable depending on a lot things |
| 20:38.52 | jacekowski | vi___: because it sometimes works |
| 20:38.55 | jacekowski | vi___: sometimes doesnt |
| 20:39.01 | jacekowski | vi___: that's why TI doesn't support it |
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| 21:04.38 | Atarii | thanks for the pointers cehteh, it looks like this version of pcap.h doesn't have pcap_create, so got to change it somehow |
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| 21:09.46 | GeneralAntilles | MohammadAG, nerp. |
| 21:10.20 | Vib3 | how to change caller id via commandline? |
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| 21:38.52 | cehteh | can the n900 connect to 802.11a 5Ghz? |
| 21:40.04 | Atarii | don't think so, isn't it b/g only? |
| 21:40.16 | cehteh | prolly, thats why i ask |
| 21:40.20 | cehteh | i dont know |
| 21:40.47 | GeneralAntilles | Yes, b/g only. |
| 21:40.52 | cehteh | ok |
| 21:41.13 | cehteh | mhm and can abg Accesspoints/routers use a and g in parallel? |
| 21:41.56 | cehteh | here the 2.5ghz band is overcrowded at least for my laptop it would be nice to have 5ghz available |
| 21:42.36 | ShadowJK | I don't know of any 11n 5GHz APs that dont also do 2.4 |
| 21:42.50 | ShadowJK | but 11a is kinda old and rare, so dunno |
| 21:46.03 | cehteh | ShadowJK: i meant can they offer a and g (or n) in parallel |
| 21:46.19 | cehteh | or do you have to switch them either/or |
| 21:46.30 | cehteh | my AP is from the stone age :) |
| 21:46.48 | cehteh | when we moved i prolly get a new one |
| 21:47.16 | cehteh | and rare is good here, there are dozens of networks around |
| 21:47.26 | cehteh | (on 2.5Ghz) |
| 21:52.18 | GeneralAntilles | ShadowJK, the issue is whether they're do it simultaneously. |
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| 21:56.34 | ShadowJK | Oh I thought the dualband 11n were specifically an "upgrade path" offering 5GHz 11n to clients that support that, and 2.4GHz bgn to "legacy" devices :) |
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| 21:59.46 | cehteh | i dont know n, my AP cant handle that new stuff :P |
| 22:00.09 | cehteh | iirc its from 2003 or so maybe even older |
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