| 00:09.39 | SpeedEvil | steverm: In what way? |
| 00:09.47 | SpeedEvil | steverm: Also - have you turned off powersave. |
| 00:09.56 | SpeedEvil | Some routers disagree with powersave on the 900. |
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| 04:28.43 | Macer | hello |
| 04:29.22 | Macer | you guys would know something like this. what is an incredibly small arm based system. one of the small systems you just plug into the wall. i would prefer one with a manageable wifi |
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| 04:31.56 | Macer | http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/CompuLab-TrimSlice/ |
| 04:32.06 | Macer | maybe that? but that is still kind of large |
| 04:45.25 | psycho_oreos | what about a guruplug? |
| 04:45.37 | psycho_oreos | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GuruPlug |
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| 05:08.34 | Macer | ah. i will check it out... |
| 05:08.58 | Macer | http://tech.rancorous.net/2011/08/20/sinternet/ |
| 05:09.05 | Macer | i found the yt video very interesting |
| 05:09.12 | Macer | it will be nice to see if it could be done |
| 05:09.22 | psycho_oreos | Macer, I don't know if its small enough for you, it looks very bulky but at the same time it offers plenty more functionality |
| 05:09.25 | Macer | i'm still laying out the base |
| 05:09.51 | Macer | wow. that actually looks pretty good |
| 05:09.59 | Macer | Marvell? :) |
| 05:10.05 | Macer | looked good up until that heh |
| 05:10.54 | psycho_oreos | yeah its marvell, its based on sheevaplug anyway |
| 05:11.13 | Macer | The fan is not software-controllable[5] and makes a sound resembling that of a hair dryer |
| 05:11.16 | Macer | lol |
| 05:13.17 | psycho_oreos | there's also gumstix option but that wouldn't fit yer requirements for something that plugs on the wall type thing |
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| 05:17.10 | Macer | hm. is there anything smaller that only has wifi and microsd? |
| 05:18.15 | psycho_oreos | http://www.gumstix.com/store/product_info.php?products_id=226 |
| 05:19.33 | Macer | that's a little too much ;) |
| 05:19.45 | Macer | something with a housing already put together? |
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| 06:21.14 | crashanddie_ | GAN900: Best Buy is going to do the HP Touchpad |
| 06:21.17 | crashanddie_ | GAN900: 10AM |
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| 06:22.52 | crashanddie_ | psycho_oreos: GuruPlug sounds like some kind of technofetish BDSM thingie |
| 06:23.02 | crashanddie_ | on the same lines as 2g1c |
| 06:33.07 | psycho_oreos | crashanddie_, lol well believe it or not its not a vapourware unlike others ;) |
| 06:33.26 | crashanddie_ | Well, if only they wouldn't overheat. |
| 06:36.38 | psycho_oreos | overheating is a minor issue ;) there are several other poorly manufactured products (not from the same mob of course) are also prone to crashes and overheating.. poor performance and shortened life expectancy are the side effects |
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| 07:03.18 | DocScrutinizer | ~wtf bdsm |
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| 07:05.13 | psycho_oreos | lol speaking of bdsm I recall of a van going around in .at giving males proper bdsm treatment from a female |
| 07:09.37 | RST38h | yawns |
| 07:09.44 | RST38h | So? |
| 07:10.35 | psycho_oreos | nothing, just something that I thought it was worth noting :p |
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| 07:17.13 | steverm | speedevil everything was fine and same hours ago i was normally connecting |
| 07:18.18 | steverm | here's my iwlist wlan0 scanning something feels so wrong http://paste.ubuntu.com/671352/ |
| 07:22.01 | steverm | hello am having a problem browsing the web on n900 can someone help |
| 07:22.43 | steverm | i can connect to the router but am unable to browse or get update |
| 07:23.38 | steverm | thought i can connect and browse when connecting to other AP |
| 07:24.09 | steverm | now i know it's not the AP because am using it now |
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| 07:27.22 | psycho_oreos | which wireless driver are you using? |
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| 07:39.32 | steverm | the default ones right now |
| 07:39.44 | steverm | and i got the power kernel |
| 07:40.12 | steverm | and now i found that am able to go on xchat |
| 07:40.32 | a-saint | that's me on n900 |
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| 07:41.53 | psycho_oreos | hmm if you're using stock drivers (which you say you are) then I'm not sure what could be the issue. I have had issue with the bleeding-edge driver |
| 07:42.25 | steverm | i had those but didn't really use them |
| 07:42.44 | steverm | i took the package off yesterday |
| 07:43.18 | steverm | and i have cleven that i mess around with but this wasn't an issue before |
| 07:44.03 | steverm | but my fear is that i might have messed with some of the aircrack commands |
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| 07:44.41 | crashanddie_ | probably DNS issue |
| 07:45.27 | steverm | plus i see a long encryption key while iwconfig |
| 07:45.38 | psycho_oreos | that's normal |
| 07:46.17 | steverm | I connected to one of friends AP i was able to browse |
| 07:46.38 | steverm | now i know that am able to go xchat from n900 |
| 07:46.55 | steverm | so i believe might be an http https thing |
| 07:47.33 | crashanddie_ | THe signal level is good enough |
| 07:47.37 | crashanddie_ | Relatively low noise |
| 07:47.45 | crashanddie_ | So you should be good to go |
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| 07:47.50 | crashanddie_ | ping 8.8.4.4 or something |
| 07:47.53 | crashanddie_ | see if that works |
| 07:48.08 | steverm | pinging my router you mean |
| 07:48.13 | crashanddie_ | No |
| 07:48.18 | psycho_oreos | also check your DNS entries as crashanddie_ said, slow DNS servers can also be a huge culprit |
| 07:48.31 | crashanddie_ | "ping 8.8.4.4" means "ping 8.8.4.4" |
| 07:48.37 | steverm | ok |
| 07:49.22 | psycho_oreos | I personally don't think screwing up aircrack-ng commands can seriously stuff up your wireless chipset. Unless you went around adjusting the TX power levels (maybe, don't even know if that's possible or not) |
| 07:49.28 | steverm | i have replies |
| 07:50.11 | steverm | no no adjusting just the usual |
| 07:50.20 | steverm | i have ping replie |
| 07:50.20 | psycho_oreos | try "host <name_of_your_favourite_website_without_paranthesis>" |
| 07:50.58 | psycho_oreos | s/name/url/ |
| 07:51.30 | steverm | host not found |
| 07:51.52 | psycho_oreos | which url did you try? |
| 07:52.08 | steverm | google |
| 07:52.14 | steverm | :) |
| 07:52.16 | psycho_oreos | ahh its meant to be google.com |
| 07:52.40 | psycho_oreos | not just the name it has to be a full website name |
| 07:53.00 | psycho_oreos | and you should try a few varied ones |
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| 07:53.13 | steverm | i know but i got /bin/sh : host : not found |
| 07:55.38 | psycho_oreos | hmm that's weird |
| 07:57.15 | steverm | any ideas |
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| 07:58.30 | steverm | and it's weird too that i can have browsing from other ap just not mine |
| 07:58.42 | steverm | and i am on xchat on n900 |
| 07:59.29 | steverm | is there a way to reinstall all the network things on n900 |
| 08:00.44 | psycho_oreos | no |
| 08:00.51 | psycho_oreos | not easily anyway |
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| 08:02.00 | steverm | I even tried to restore factory settings |
| 08:02.21 | steverm | removed the bleeding edge drivers |
| 08:02.34 | steverm | removed the battery |
| 08:02.39 | psycho_oreos | I don't think restore factory settings would be as much help as a complete reflash of N900 |
| 08:03.16 | steverm | i am trying to avoid reflashing |
| 08:03.38 | psycho_oreos | restore factory settings more or less just resets previously set up stuff and maybe hide all the old packages. Though the previously installed packages and what not will still be there |
| 08:04.29 | psycho_oreos | I'd install bash3 and get host to see if it resolves a few fqdn, it could just be microB playing up |
| 08:05.32 | steverm | I was trying to access my friends AP but it seems it's off |
| 08:06.28 | steverm | I had an issue with my AP before n900 just couldn't see it |
| 08:06.38 | steverm | whatsoever |
| 08:07.24 | steverm | for a reason after installing the bleeding edge drivers it fixed it |
| 08:07.42 | psycho_oreos | which would be rather unusual |
| 08:07.50 | steverm | yes |
| 08:08.05 | steverm | I never used the bleeding edge drivers afterward |
| 08:08.33 | steverm | i tried yesterday when i wasn't able to browse the web |
| 08:08.51 | steverm | normally i couldn't browse either |
| 08:09.12 | steverm | iwconfig showed encryption key off |
| 08:09.23 | steverm | whille on bleeding edge drivers |
| 08:09.26 | steverm | while |
| 08:11.23 | steverm | I believe it fixed something while unloading and reloading the factory drivers |
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| 08:11.58 | psycho_oreos | and that shouldn't be like that.. normally if your wireless network is WPA encrypted you should get a long key. I am still unsure of the package you said you installed. Wherever it came from, its probably quite poorly made |
| 08:12.37 | steverm | the bleeding edge you mean? |
| 08:12.44 | psycho_oreos | yes |
| 08:13.03 | steverm | well i was out of options when i installed it |
| 08:13.15 | steverm | and for a reason it did me good back then |
| 08:13.41 | steverm | but now that's an another issue |
| 08:14.16 | psycho_oreos | I wonder if that's causing the trouble you are having _right_ now |
| 08:14.31 | steverm | 'I don't know |
| 08:14.39 | psycho_oreos | you haven't specified which settings you made to iwconfig |
| 08:14.46 | steverm | and the weird thing is just on my access point again |
| 08:15.46 | steverm | i didn't |
| 08:16.57 | steverm | I didn't try to set anything with iwconfig |
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| 08:17.43 | steverm | just to view when in monitoring |
| 08:19.51 | psycho_oreos | what does `lsmod| grep wl12| head -1' give you? |
| 08:21.18 | steverm | w112xx 77760 0 |
| 08:22.12 | psycho_oreos | pastebin your dmesg output |
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| 08:23.24 | steverm | ok just a minute |
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| 08:28.31 | steverm | how do i select the whole thing |
| 08:28.52 | steverm | something are not showing anymore on dmesg |
| 08:29.09 | psycho_oreos | with shell redirection you can dump it into a file and from that file send it or open it on your pc/etc to paste it |
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| 08:30.14 | steverm | please tell me how |
| 08:30.35 | psycho_oreos | dmesg > foo.out |
| 08:32.28 | steverm | now it should be in my home user |
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| 08:37.57 | steverm | ? |
| 08:39.13 | psycho_oreos | so send that out file to the computer, open it with your favourite text editor and paste it onto pastebin? |
| 08:39.25 | steverm | ok |
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| 08:46.17 | steverm | http://paste.ubuntu.com/671545/ |
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| 08:48.36 | rd | Can anybody tell, if a n900 with a broken display can still be started and the PIN for the SIM entered. I.e. can that be done blindly with just the keyboard? |
| 08:48.44 | psycho_oreos | you have bluetooth on? |
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| 08:49.07 | psycho_oreos | points question to steverm |
| 08:49.23 | rd | probalbly not, but let me try.... |
| 08:49.37 | steverm | ? |
| 08:49.58 | steverm | was |
| 08:50.17 | steverm | yes i send the file to my pc with bluetooth |
| 08:50.48 | rd | steverm, I thought psycho_oreos was answering my question. |
| 08:51.01 | steverm | my mistake :) |
| 08:51.15 | rd | Can somebody do me the favor to reboot his n900 and check if the PIN can be entered w/o the touchscreen? |
| 08:51.22 | psycho_oreos | rd, just tried it through settings > device lock. No dice so no I doubt it'll work with hardware keyboard |
| 08:52.02 | rd | ok, thanks :-( |
| 08:52.05 | psycho_oreos | steverm, well according to dmesg your bluetooth was enabled a fair few times. So when you tried surfing the net, was bluetooth on at all? |
| 08:52.35 | steverm | no |
| 08:52.40 | steverm | am sure of it |
| 08:53.12 | psycho_oreos | apart from that the dmesg output isn't as verbose as I expected it to be. So we're still back to square one |
| 08:53.15 | steverm | yesterday i put it on to send the 1st paste bin file of my iwconfig |
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| 08:54.18 | steverm | do I reset my router and see what comes |
| 08:54.41 | steverm | maybe it's a communication thing between the ap and n900 |
| 08:55.00 | steverm | now we know everything is in place |
| 08:55.24 | steverm | and somewhat i do have connection out "xchat" and maybe msn |
| 08:55.30 | steverm | let me try the msn |
| 08:56.56 | steverm | msn work |
| 08:59.24 | steverm | so beside http everything seems to work |
| 08:59.36 | steverm | and the host isn't installed |
| 08:59.39 | psycho_oreos | so you tried browsing internet and its still no go? |
| 08:59.55 | steverm | yes |
| 09:00.04 | steverm | it keeps on trying but nothing is on |
| 09:00.10 | psycho_oreos | have you tried other alternative browsers? |
| 09:00.25 | steverm | I was hopping I download firefox |
| 09:00.37 | psycho_oreos | I wouldn't use firefox, firefox on N900 is slow |
| 09:00.48 | jacekowski | opera ftw |
| 09:01.06 | psycho_oreos | midori, slightly slow but not as slow as firefox |
| 09:01.10 | kerio | webkit ftw |
| 09:01.27 | psycho_oreos | lynx ftmfw |
| 09:01.28 | steverm | once i can get a www connection was my 1st thing to do |
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| 09:01.50 | steverm | let me see if i still got the lynx |
| 09:02.06 | steverm | I downloaded it once but not sure if i removed it afterwards |
| 09:02.13 | inean | hi everyone |
| 09:02.21 | psycho_oreos | there's also chromium |
| 09:02.41 | steverm | i thing i will go with chromium |
| 09:03.02 | inean | is there any good place to put user repositories for fremantle? |
| 09:03.04 | jacekowski | chromium is useless |
| 09:03.06 | steverm | is there a way of reinstalling the default browser |
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| 09:03.12 | jacekowski | opera is a lot better |
| 09:03.42 | psycho_oreos | put user repositories? how do you mean? add repositories in N900? |
| 09:04.32 | inean | no, host a personal repo, |
| 09:05.09 | inean | packages i'm working on doesn't fit very well on extras-devel |
| 09:05.42 | psycho_oreos | well you can create your own apt repository, like a few maemo developers here do |
| 09:05.59 | jacekowski | i even have my own autobuilder |
| 09:06.19 | psycho_oreos | steverm, yes, though I don't know if reinstalling will help, there's portions of the packages scattered within nokia repositories as well as maemo repositories |
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| 09:06.43 | inean | psycho_oreos: yep, that's done, but in my personal home server. I need a public one :) |
| 09:07.03 | steverm | any outside package |
| 09:07.12 | steverm | i can't on my n900 |
| 09:07.13 | psycho_oreos | inean, so why not add relevant port fowarding on your router so that you can host those? : |
| 09:07.14 | psycho_oreos | :P |
| 09:07.18 | jacekowski | extras-devel |
| 09:07.55 | steverm | I will try at maemo |
| 09:08.00 | psycho_oreos | steverm, they are external packages. Plus you can't normally retrieve stuff from nokia repositories without using N900 |
| 09:08.39 | steverm | so i need to do it from my n900 |
| 09:09.00 | inean | psycho_oreos: that's done (I think so), but i don't want to take my adsl connection down from the outside :P. |
| 09:09.11 | psycho_oreos | for some of the packages yes, but you may as well do the whole thing from N900 via ssh or whatever |
| 09:09.30 | psycho_oreos | inean, in other words you need an independent host? |
| 09:09.47 | inean | jacekowsky: I'm packing qt-components and maliit, and that kind of packages shoud be put on extras-devel by nokia guys, not me |
| 09:10.12 | steverm | hahahahahahahaha fucking weird wen't for www.msn.com it's opening slow but opening |
| 09:12.34 | steverm | hopefully the repos will load |
| 09:13.06 | inean | psycho_oreos: yes , (a free one) |
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| 09:13.39 | psycho_oreos | inean, maybe something like a github? ;) |
| 09:14.15 | inean | you can put source or compiled packages on github (IMHO). |
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| 09:15.14 | psycho_oreos | err can or can't? |
| 09:17.00 | inean | psycho_oreos: s/can/can't/ |
| 09:18.12 | steverm | I can't do it not load the repos or do it from the ssh since www is somewhat blocked |
| 09:20.05 | psycho_oreos | inean, heh I forgot, free ones are open sourced ones.. well apart from that I wouldn't know :) dropbox maybe? |
| 09:21.14 | psycho_oreos | steverm, have you tried to connect to internet through alternative means? i.e. through PC, or through 3G? |
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| 09:21.56 | steverm | i am on my pc right now |
| 09:22.12 | steverm | and yes i am able to browse |
| 09:22.31 | steverm | 3g i didn't try it since the sim card is not insert |
| 09:23.55 | psycho_oreos | I meant from your N900 goes through wired connection to your PC and then uses the internet from your PC's connection.. aka USB networking |
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| 09:28.12 | Termana | good morning |
| 09:28.23 | steverm | oh no i haven't try this yet |
| 09:28.35 | steverm | brb |
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| 09:57.39 | timmyt1 | How can i change the font it uses for non-eng characters? By default it uses tahoma a |
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| 10:08.08 | BluesLee | can i simply dd to/from an ubifs? |
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| 10:12.13 | SpeedEvil | It's a filesystem |
| 10:12.24 | SpeedEvil | Or do you mean raw ubifs |
| 10:12.29 | SpeedEvil | In which case, the answer is no |
| 10:12.41 | SpeedEvil | Well - you can DD from it, but not reliably to. |
| 10:12.57 | SpeedEvil | As you may write over bad blocks |
| 10:13.22 | BluesLee | i want to use the rescue os from nin101 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75369 |
| 10:13.38 | BluesLee | to backup/restore my n900 |
| 10:13.45 | timmyt1 | Infobot is a her? Wtf! |
| 10:14.56 | psycho_oreos | there's another tool called mtd_debug, which may probably handle bad blocks (via skipping I think) instead of dd |
| 10:15.53 | BluesLee | i mean it should be possible to do someting in between the commands for mounting |
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| 10:16.01 | BluesLee | ubiattach /dev/ubi_ctrl -m 5 |
| 10:16.06 | BluesLee | mount -t ubifs -o rw,bulk_read,no_chk_data_crc ubi0:rootfs /mnt/maemo |
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| 10:17.54 | tim_abell | hiya, is this the right place to ask about an update failure of "marble" on my n900? |
| 10:18.06 | BluesLee | as there is no script in the /rescueos directory for backup/restore it maybe difficult |
| 10:18.41 | SpeedEvil | tim_abell: What do you mean by an update failure? |
| 10:19.46 | tim_abell | it depends on "gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad-extra', according to the problems tab in the app details in the application manager / update app |
| 10:19.56 | tim_abell | and refuses to update |
| 10:19.59 | jiero | anybody have time to see my WM/DE Design, inspired by hildon/meego/firefox http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?f=168&t=342349 |
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| 10:21.48 | BluesLee | NIN101: hi |
| 10:21.56 | NIN101 | hi |
| 10:22.27 | BluesLee | NIN101: some minutes ago i mentioned your rescue os |
| 10:22.49 | SpeedEvil | tim_abell: 1.2.0 is not installing? |
| 10:22.54 | SpeedEvil | 1.2.0-1 |
| 10:22.56 | BluesLee | NIN101: thank you for that |
| 10:23.16 | NIN101 | Did it help you? |
| 10:23.33 | BluesLee | NIN101: so far i only downloaded the files |
| 10:23.35 | tim_abell | SpeedEvil: 1.2.0-1, correct |
| 10:24.01 | BluesLee | NIN101: i had a look at /rescueos but i miss a backup/restore script there |
| 10:24.15 | NIN101 | thats right, there isn't one yet. |
| 10:24.26 | SpeedEvil | tim_abell: installed OK for me |
| 10:24.29 | BluesLee | NIN101: is it simple or complicated because of the ubifs? |
| 10:24.49 | BluesLee | NIN101: just a dd after using ubiattach? |
| 10:25.22 | NIN101 | BluesLee: if you can mount the rootfs, you should be able to create an archive. I wouldn't play around with dd. |
| 10:25.37 | SpeedEvil | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras_free_armel/marble/1.2.0-1/ does not seem to list gstreamer |
| 10:25.49 | tim_abell | the first message is "Unable to update 'Marble - Virtual Globe'. Some application packages required for the update are missing." with a details button |
| 10:25.55 | SpeedEvil | hmm |
| 10:25.56 | BluesLee | NIN101: your method is the best one as it does not require a boot menu or whatever, its cool |
| 10:26.07 | SpeedEvil | tim_abell: I'd remove and reinstall - see if that works |
| 10:26.10 | NIN101 | thx :-) |
| 10:26.17 | tim_abell | k will do |
| 10:26.42 | tim_abell | current ver is 1.1.1 |
| 10:26.56 | BluesLee | NIN101: i would prefer dd for backup/restore if it works |
| 10:27.48 | BluesLee | NIN101: what is the method of robbiethe1st? |
| 10:28.10 | BluesLee | i have to check that first |
| 10:28.17 | NIN101 | I don't know. |
| 10:28.22 | tim_abell | same error |
| 10:28.32 | tim_abell | now i don't have the old version either :( |
| 10:30.42 | crashanddie_ | GAN900: ping ping ping |
| 10:30.48 | robbiethe1st | I use tar. |
| 10:30.59 | crashanddie_ | and feathers. |
| 10:31.00 | robbiethe1st | dd... doesn't work all the time |
| 10:31.19 | robbiethe1st | due to the fact that we've got raw nand, and the bad blocks are stored in the filesystem |
| 10:31.44 | BluesLee | robbiethe1st: good to know |
| 10:32.05 | NIN101 | I think tar is sufficient in most cases. |
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| 10:33.12 | robbiethe1st | Only thing it can't do is make a flashable image |
| 10:33.21 | robbiethe1st | But you can do that with a Linux PC and mtd-utils |
| 10:34.25 | BluesLee | hmm |
| 10:34.34 | BluesLee | that sounds not bad |
| 10:34.45 | tim_abell | SpeedEvil: i've only got the original app catalogues, maybe you have something extra in there |
| 10:34.58 | BluesLee | robbiethe1st: my problem is with all the different bootmenus, multiboot etc |
| 10:35.11 | NIN101 | Hmm, in rescueOS, if maemo is f'cked, I could simply extract it again, without flashing. |
| 10:35.13 | tim_abell | nokia applications, nokia system software updates, ovi & maemo.org |
| 10:35.43 | SpeedEvil | tim_abell: I have extras, extras-devel, and testing. the latest version is however in extras |
| 10:35.50 | SpeedEvil | so I thought that pulled all the deps to extras too |
| 10:36.05 | BluesLee | robbiethe1st: but for the worst case a flashable image is a good idea |
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| 10:37.52 | robbiethe1st | BluesLee: Yea, I know. But you can always flash the stock+BM image I have, and use that to 'bootstrap' your own backup image |
| 10:38.01 | robbiethe1st | flash that, run BM, restore your backup |
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| 10:40.25 | BluesLee | robbiethe1st: in case using BM i cant use multiboot i guess |
| 10:40.36 | BluesLee | robbiethe1st: you mean this one http://robbiethe1st.afraid.org/BackupMenu/flashable_rootfs_v0.56-1-20101109.img |
| 10:40.55 | Sicelo | please give me a clue: what is /usr/bin/Xorg -logfile ... it's keeping my cpu very busy. i have PK47. won't mind flashing if i have to :/ |
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| 10:46.12 | BluesLee | robbiethe1st: i think i am fine with that, i will probably install BM once to get the tar image, convert it to a flashable image and than i can remove BM, to run multiboot for the other stuff |
| 10:48.05 | tim_abell | i think i might add testing when i have more time. have to go now. i'm quite a fan of navit and that's only in testing. |
| 10:49.17 | MohammadAG | GAN900, got a touchpad? |
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| 10:56.30 | DocScrutinizer | meh |
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| 10:56.36 | crashanddie_ | MohammadAG: he's not awake yet |
| 10:56.45 | DocScrutinizer | ~maemo-multiboot |
| 10:56.45 | infobot | i heard maemo-multiboot is deprecated, and a horrible hack |
| 10:56.46 | crashanddie_ | MohammadAG: BB should sell them from 10AM local time |
| 10:57.03 | crashanddie_ | MohammadAG: I tried to warn him, get him up, but he's not answering |
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| 10:57.18 | MohammadAG | crashanddie_, except I don't live in the US :/ |
| 10:57.26 | crashanddie_ | no, but he does. |
| 10:57.32 | MohammadAG | anyway, it's available in 2 (3?) stores in florida |
| 10:57.43 | MohammadAG | I don't think he can pick up two for me :P |
| 10:57.52 | crashanddie_ | why not? |
| 10:58.13 | MohammadAG | cause I'm on the other side of the planet and he doesn't "know" me? |
| 10:58.40 | crashanddie_ | I love how the french are poluting the world with their "99$" |
| 10:58.48 | crashanddie_ | it's "$99" you dumb fucks. |
| 10:59.02 | crashanddie_ | same as it's "USD 99" or "EUR 99" |
| 10:59.06 | crashanddie_ | not "99 EUR" |
| 10:59.38 | MohammadAG | heh, I hate it cause it looks weird when it's on the right |
| 10:59.55 | MohammadAG | (and that's coming from someone whose language is RTL) |
| 11:00.12 | DocScrutinizer | crashanddie_: depends |
| 11:00.20 | jack_lt | hmm I messed up my user rights in maemo on my n900 http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1073918&postcount=1 |
| 11:00.36 | crashanddie_ | MohammadAG: ?thgir ot tfel sa ylkciuq sa tfel ot thgir daer uoy nac os |
| 11:01.02 | MohammadAG | heh |
| 11:01.09 | DocScrutinizer | 99€ is perfect over here where we *use* € |
| 11:01.17 | MohammadAG | no, a bit slower :p |
| 11:01.20 | DocScrutinizer | as is 99 EUR |
| 11:01.43 | crashanddie_ | erhm, no. It's € 99 |
| 11:01.43 | DocScrutinizer | as is 99,- EUR |
| 11:01.49 | DocScrutinizer | uhuh |
| 11:01.59 | psycho_oreos | tsiwt a tahw wow |
| 11:02.06 | DocScrutinizer | in your line you just posted it evidently is, yes |
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| 11:04.05 | DocScrutinizer | generally here in Europe we aren't usually upside down and arse ahead, like in USA |
| 11:04.22 | DocScrutinizer | we also don't use imperial units |
| 11:04.41 | DocScrutinizer | neither witworth screws and inch-sized wrenches |
| 11:04.44 | crashanddie_ | oh, I stand corrected, there is no "correct way", it's up to the country. |
| 11:05.58 | Trewas | units are always marked after the numerical value, I don't know why it would be different with money |
| 11:06.39 | MohammadAG | crashanddie_, how'd you right that RTL line btw? |
| 11:06.46 | crashanddie_ | write, you mean? |
| 11:06.52 | MohammadAG | wtf |
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| 11:07.01 | crashanddie_ | ?epyt tsuj I ,onnud I |
| 11:07.03 | MohammadAG | Wonder why I typoed that |
| 11:07.05 | DocScrutinizer | and we also don't use miles/gallon but rather liter/100km |
| 11:07.16 | MohammadAG | prolly cause I just woke up |
| 11:07.46 | crashanddie_ | I dunno, I just find it weird, in the case of $ |
| 11:08.04 | crashanddie_ | originally, it's written in front, so just respect that language's way of doing things. |
| 11:08.10 | crashanddie_ | or just write in plain text 99 dollars |
| 11:09.18 | SpeedEvil | Trewas: Because it is |
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| 11:09.28 | SpeedEvil | Trewas: At least in some places. UK for example. |
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| 11:10.07 | crashanddie_ | Any commonwealth country or any country that has had dollars. |
| 11:10.29 | crashanddie_ | And let's not forget that the world dollar comes from old German, so... ;) |
| 11:10.30 | DocScrutinizer | crashanddie_: you have to decide if you want to respect the namespace of the topic you're talking about or rather the namespace your recipients are used to |
| 11:10.58 | Trewas | SpeedEvil: I know it is locale specific, but it still does not make much sense :) |
| 11:11.25 | SpeedEvil | Trewas: Wy oes putting the unit afterwards make sense? |
| 11:11.26 | crashanddie_ | DocScrutinizer: IIRC, windows, for a long time put the euro sign in front on Windows. |
| 11:11.38 | crashanddie_ | And it still does on excel, etc. |
| 11:12.10 | ruskie | always had the unit at the end around here |
| 11:12.15 | ruskie | before euro and now with euro |
| 11:12.17 | crashanddie_ | SpeedEvil: because "when you read it out loud, it's more logical to have the unit afterwards, considering you'll say it after the amount" |
| 11:12.21 | DocScrutinizer | crashanddie_: if I make a list how much a cheeseburger is in all the countries of the world, I for sure will adopt the notation of LC_CURRENCY of my audience, no matter what's the right notation for the particular currency of the particular line in that table |
| 11:12.42 | Trewas | SpeedEvil: that is how it is pronounced and why would money be different to every other unit? |
| 11:13.09 | crashanddie_ | DocScrutinizer: if you're making a list of cheeseburger prices, surely you'd index it in a common currency, not the local currency? Or if you put the local currency, you'd write it in the correct locale. |
| 11:13.34 | DocScrutinizer | no |
| 11:14.41 | DocScrutinizer | I'd not go thru the hassle to convert all currencies to Yen, using the conversion rates of western union as of 2009-12-24 |
| 11:15.07 | crashanddie_ | "The dollars followed the Pound Sterling convention. The pound sign is from Latin "libra". |
| 11:15.10 | crashanddie_ | In Latin, you would say the currency and then give the amount. It didn't matter that English doesn't do it that way, so although people would speak english, they would write in the Latin convention" |
| 11:15.45 | DocScrutinizer | and I'd not write $1.99, 2.49€, and some illegible crap in arabic |
| 11:15.56 | crashanddie_ | "Some countries do put the currency first--In India, something doesn't cost seventy-five Rupees, instead you say the price is "Rupees seventy-five" and write it Rs75" |
| 11:16.22 | crashanddie_ | Trewas: do you say "two euros and fourty five cents"? |
| 11:16.36 | crashanddie_ | Trewas: or do you say "two point fourty five euros"? |
| 11:17.03 | ruskie | both |
| 11:17.11 | Trewas | both are used |
| 11:17.11 | lupine_85 | two 'n 'alf |
| 11:17.34 | crashanddie_ | yeah, but if his argument is "that's how you pronounce it" |
| 11:17.47 | crashanddie_ | then he should write 2€45c |
| 11:18.03 | SpeedEvil | Logically, you'd put the unit first. |
| 11:18.09 | SpeedEvil | In all unit-related utterances. |
| 11:18.10 | ruskie | pronuciation != writting |
| 11:18.12 | ruskie | different rules |
| 11:18.15 | DocScrutinizer | crashanddie_: we also don't use Billion 1.5 here, rather it's 1,5 Miliarden |
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| 11:18.34 | crashanddie_ | DocScrutinizer: neither does anyone else? |
| 11:18.41 | crashanddie_ | DocScrutinizer: $1.5 billion |
| 11:18.49 | DocScrutinizer | uhuh |
| 11:18.56 | SpeedEvil | Milliard _used_ to be used in very old english texts. |
| 11:19.13 | SpeedEvil | Since a few years ago now, billion is used for 10^9. |
| 11:19.17 | crashanddie_ | Yeah, but that's because English also uses a lot of French ;) |
| 11:19.29 | SpeedEvil | For added confusion, very long ago, billion was used for 10^12 |
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| 11:21.07 | DocScrutinizer | in German it's still million, milliarde, billion, billiarde, trillion, trilliarde, quatrillion, quatrilliarde, quintillion, quintilliarde, and so on |
| 11:21.29 | DocScrutinizer | and that's how it's in GB according to my dictionary |
| 11:21.44 | trx | here also |
| 11:22.01 | SpeedEvil | Milliard is _never_ used in english. |
| 11:22.08 | SpeedEvil | Modern english. |
| 11:22.14 | DocScrutinizer | ~dict milliard |
| 11:22.19 | SpeedEvil | I have precisely one book out of perhaps 3000 that's mentioned it |
| 11:22.41 | SpeedEvil | Of random SF titles including UK SF, from the 60s-90s |
| 11:22.48 | Trizt_ | Many countries uses the long scale, but there are some who switches to the short one which is default in us |
| 11:22.52 | SpeedEvil | And general reading of media. |
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| 11:23.39 | Trizt | Many countries uses the long scale, but there are some who switches to the short one which is default in us |
| 11:23.49 | SpeedEvil | 1913 webster is misleading in this instance. |
| 11:23.51 | SpeedEvil | It's changed. |
| 11:24.01 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: you're surrendering to US braindamage |
| 11:24.15 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: No, I'm just not being an ass-hat. |
| 11:24.59 | SpeedEvil | The usage of billion as 10^12 here is so vanishingly small that to use it based on historical precedent is frankly wrong. |
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| 11:26.00 | SpeedEvil | And misleading to the reader, who will in all cases (unless they are reading historical literature from ~1910 or so) expect it to be 10^9 |
| 11:26.16 | DocScrutinizer | tbh you (anglophonic world) managed to mess it up so thoroughly (once again) that nobody - not even your own folks - get it right anymore |
| 11:27.49 | fizzie | OED, 2011: "Since 1951 the U.S. value, a thousand millions, has been increasingly used in Britain, especially in technical writing and, more recently, in journalism; but the older sense ‘a million millions’ is still common." |
| 11:28.08 | BluesLee | NIN101: just testing your rescue os |
| 11:28.23 | DocScrutinizer | fact is I don't trust any 10^(3*n) suffix in a spoken english text, except maybe million |
| 11:28.32 | BluesLee | NIN101: i cant umount the maemo rootfs |
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| 11:28.50 | BluesLee | NIN101: it says "device or resource busy" |
| 11:29.01 | BluesLee | NIN101: adding lsof would be nice |
| 11:29.39 | BluesLee | NIN101: i have a german kbd, kbd support is a minor problem |
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| 11:30.51 | NIN101 | are you in /mnt/maemo while you are trying to unmount it BluesLee? |
| 11:31.04 | BluesLee | NIN101: no .. but now it worked |
| 11:31.36 | BluesLee | NIN101: umount /mnt/maemo + ubidetach -m 5 worked |
| 11:31.53 | BluesLee | NIN101: before i used your umount script |
| 11:31.54 | NIN101 | yes thats the recommended way. |
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| 11:32.03 | NIN101 | actually it does exactly this |
| 11:32.11 | BluesLee | yes |
| 11:32.28 | BluesLee | just a prior sync |
| 11:32.35 | BluesLee | once again |
| 11:33.04 | BluesLee | NIN101: same as before |
| 11:33.25 | NIN101 | hm |
| 11:33.41 | BluesLee | NIN101: is there a typo? |
| 11:33.56 | BluesLee | NIN101: umount /mnt/maemoo? |
| 11:34.05 | NIN101 | umount /mnt/maemoo |
| 11:34.06 | NIN101 | argh |
| 11:34.12 | NIN101 | thx for reporting BluesLee :-) |
| 11:34.28 | BluesLee | or did i add that as i am not familiar with nano .. |
| 11:34.35 | BluesLee | you are welcome |
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| 11:35.21 | BluesLee | NIN101: okay, its a typo, no problem |
| 11:38.03 | BluesLee | NIN101: can you add the two shortcuts ctrl+i=tab and sym=esc to a readme in the documentation subdirectory? |
| 11:38.50 | DocScrutinizer | no rhetorics: in Germany the "conversion rules" are rather simple: N for mill=1, bill=2, trill=3, qatrill=4... value 10^((6 * N) + iard?3:0). How's the rule for US scheme? |
| 11:39.02 | NIN101 | I have also the german keyboard and tab is here Shift + Space BluesLee |
| 11:40.17 | BluesLee | NIN101: okay, strg+i does also the job |
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| 11:40.21 | fizzie | N for mill=1, bill=2, trill=3, ...; value 10^(3*(N+1)) isn't all that more complicateded. |
| 11:40.35 | BluesLee | NIN101: how are you handling the german kbd? |
| 11:41.10 | DocScrutinizer | fizzie: fails on milliard, billiard |
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| 11:41.48 | DocScrutinizer | million, billion, trillion, milliard, billiard, trilliard, ???... |
| 11:42.03 | NIN101 | BluesLee: I don't atm. But I have started to create a german keyboard map here: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=ipCDfLRs , it is however not completed. |
| 11:42.15 | DocScrutinizer | I'm not even sure US-english knows of trilliards at all |
| 11:43.08 | BluesLee | i put your rescue os on a spare 2gb sdhc, cool stuff NIN101 |
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| 11:43.58 | NIN101 | thx BluesLee. Today there will be a new verison, not debian based as it's too much bloat. |
| 11:44.34 | BluesLee | is it impossible to run a second instance of maemo from sd using this method? |
| 11:44.41 | MohammadAG | GAN900, ping me when you're on |
| 11:46.24 | fizzie | DocScrutinizer: Those are just not used, so it's not a problem. "Billiard, what, the ball game?" That's the only sense for 'billiard' OED has. |
| 11:46.40 | BluesLee | NIN101: i have no problem with that, 210mb is okay |
| 11:46.51 | NIN101 | now it is 25. |
| 11:47.08 | BluesLee | NIN101: thats better |
| 11:47.43 | NIN101 | BluesLee: I wouldn't say a maemo on sd is impossible. However, nobody has done that yet AFAIK with fremantle. |
| 11:48.48 | robbiethe1st | You'd need backupmenu images for your source, though |
| 11:51.35 | DocScrutinizer | BluesLee: I have this plan on my todo list since > 1 year to copy the complete maemo rootfs + /opt + /home to uSD and then try to boot it. Except some minor edits to initscripts there shouldn't be too many problems with that AIUI |
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| 11:53.57 | DocScrutinizer | I discussed it with (iirc) GAN900 back when. It was a common practice for diablo, on N8x0 I've been told |
| 11:55.00 | DocScrutinizer | BluesLee: you'd need to create - or get - a kernel image to put into e.g. /boot/vmlinuz |
| 11:55.39 | DocScrutinizer | or /boot/uImage or whatever the filename fashion of the day |
| 11:56.37 | BluesLee | DocScrutinizer: i mean, the additional benefit would be an image for experiments, nin101s rescue os should be enough for repairing stuff |
| 11:57.04 | DocScrutinizer | should, yeah. Probably even ought |
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| 12:01.40 | BluesLee | cool stuff in qt5 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__NBFqCOGqs&feature=player_embedded |
| 12:03.40 | DocScrutinizer | BluesLee: another additional benefit was you could bindmount arbitrary files/directories from original NAND rootfs / $HOME and access them with the original tools. No matter whether it's calendar/contacts/messages-db or any other clumsy format that's not easily handled by coreutils+nano |
| 12:04.42 | crashanddie_ | GAN900: ping |
| 12:05.41 | BluesLee | DocScrutinizer: you mean like easy debian does it, a chrooted maemo image would be cool, just to test things on the fly |
| 12:06.09 | DocScrutinizer | I didn't think about any chroot |
| 12:06.33 | DocScrutinizer | just boot maemo from uSD as you usually would do with meego |
| 12:07.48 | BluesLee | there are so many possibilities, i just dont know how to handle all the distros for the n900 |
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| 12:18.19 | cityLights | MohammadAG: hi there |
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| 12:19.40 | cityLights | I am running 20.2010.36-2maemo15 |
| 12:19.46 | cityLights | is there a newer version? |
| 12:22.06 | robbiethe1st | Don't think so |
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| 12:23.01 | MohammadAG | nope |
| 12:23.07 | MohammadAG | crashanddie_, ping |
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| 12:32.49 | joppu | jonne: want a can on ES? |
| 12:33.19 | jonne | what? |
| 12:34.08 | crashanddie_ | MohammadAG: pong |
| 12:34.59 | MohammadAG | crashanddie_, HP restocked |
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| 12:35.05 | crashanddie_ | hmm? |
| 12:36.09 | jonne | joppu, what sort of can and what's an ES? |
| 12:37.03 | joppu | it's a finnish inside joke |
| 12:37.58 | joppu | the term jonne here refers to a stereotypical elementary schooler with a taste for EuroShopper enerhy drink |
| 12:38.29 | jonne | oh, ok |
| 12:38.35 | jonne | like Johnny here then |
| 12:40.02 | crashanddie_ | Johnny? |
| 12:40.06 | crashanddie_ | Who the fuck is Johnny? |
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| 12:50.26 | cityLights | what shiould /etc/resolv.conf be? |
| 12:50.29 | cityLights | a soft link? |
| 12:50.39 | cityLights | a file with nameserver 127.0.0.1 ? |
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| 12:55.40 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
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| 13:05.55 | cityLights | thanks DocScrutinizer, I saw that this file may also be a soft link |
| 13:06.13 | cityLights | but think my is a file with the this one line |
| 13:06.25 | cityLights | sometimes i rm it by mistake |
| 13:08.42 | x29a_ | docscrutinizer: btw, did you play with your r0ket already? |
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| 13:24.36 | DocScrutinizer | x29a_: nope, no time for such fancy little games yet |
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| 13:25.20 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: moinmoin |
| 13:25.39 | javispedro | morning |
| 13:27.10 | javispedro | lcuk: you should really try one of those livescribe pens |
| 13:27.25 | javispedro | lcuk: my handwriting ;) : http://depot.javispedro.com/pen/meegoatoms.png |
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| 13:36.44 | lcuk | javispedro, neat |
| 13:42.55 | javispedro | finally gets osc build to work under gentoo... I can finally cancel the opensuse download :) |
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| 13:55.51 | mc_teo | any way i can turn on camera led manually |
| 13:56.19 | mc_teo | i want to stream some video with gstreamer, and would like it on |
| 13:57.48 | NIN101 | there some applications out there which can do this, so I think it is possible. |
| 13:59.03 | mc_teo | yeah, the flashlight applet would be ideal |
| 13:59.36 | mc_teo | except after ~ver0.2 it added a check for wheither the camera was in use |
| 13:59.57 | mc_teo | and wont turn on the light if it is, even if used by gstreamer |
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| 14:18.37 | GeneralAntilles | crashanddie_, pong? |
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| 14:21.39 | TimmyT | it doesn't let me, it says write the message, but i want to send an empty message |
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| 18:13.33 | *** topic/#maemo is Welcome to #maemo http://maemo.org/intro/ | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council | Source: http://wiki.maemo.org/Sources | Chanlog: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | PROBLEMS WITH NITDROID/MULTIBOOT? reflash rootfs&kernel aka COMBINED | For Nokia: http://en.qi-hardware.com/w/images/1/10/ME_382_LockedUpTechnology2.gif |
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| 18:54.17 | vi__ | yo |
| 18:54.33 | vi__ | how do I stop the sudo command asking for my password? |
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| 18:59.23 | vi__ | sudo didnt used to ask for a password |
| 18:59.39 | vi__ | now after a reflash it keeps asking for a password |
| 18:59.51 | vi__ | this totally buttfucks some of my scripts |
| 19:00.24 | NIN101 | by editing /etc/sudoers, however afaik that is not recommended on maemo, so better add a file in /etc/sudoers.d. the command "root" does not ask for passsword if all you want is to have a root shell. |
| 19:01.47 | NIN101 | and then run update-sudoers |
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| 19:03.33 | DocScrutinizer | vi__: man sudo |
| 19:04.14 | DocScrutinizer | also see NIN101 ^^^ |
| 19:05.12 | DocScrutinizer | there's nozjing new supposed to be introduced by reflashing, just old things you installed might have gone |
| 19:05.23 | DocScrutinizer | nothing* |
| 19:06.23 | Sicelo | DocScrutinizer: i can't set 'root' & 'sudo gainroot' to ask for pwd anymore.. the command to set it works fine.. but still password not asked for.. it was fine before i installed sudser.. and hasn't been even after removing sudser. any ideas? |
| 19:07.15 | DocScrutinizer | nfi what's sudser - and I dealt with it like explained in my tools page |
| 19:07.26 | vi__ | NIN101: thankyou, i made an entry in /etc/sudoers |
| 19:07.44 | DocScrutinizer | vi__: so you lost |
| 19:08.00 | DocScrutinizer | rditing /etc/sudoaers is 1st step to doom |
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| 19:08.28 | Sicelo | lol |
| 19:08.46 | DocScrutinizer | next boot will either revert that edit, or fuck up your system so you need to reflash |
| 19:09.05 | DocScrutinizer | edit etc/sudoers.d/* |
| 19:09.14 | DocScrutinizer | the run update-sudoers |
| 19:09.17 | DocScrutinizer | then* |
| 19:09.40 | vi__ | what i meant was |
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| 19:09.58 | vi__ | /etc/sudoers.d/newfile.sudoers |
| 19:10.09 | DocScrutinizer | ahh ok then |
| 19:10.34 | vi__ | im not as dumb as the empirical evidence would suggest |
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| 19:15.50 | DocScrutinizer | :-) |
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| 19:16.23 | DocScrutinizer | just maemo sometimes is more wily than you'd expect |
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| 20:00.54 | jpinx | I have just done the apt-get install kernel-power-settings but I am still getting a error about insmod. this is to get masquerading working between my laptop and the gprs on the n900 |
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| 20:01.34 | jpinx | do I have to insmod <something> or reboot the phone -- or both' |
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| 20:02.25 | rtyler | howdy folks, I was wondering if the n900 could be used to tether over bluetooth? I have an Android tablet and android doesn't like the adhoc network from "Mobile Hotspot" |
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| 20:16.41 | jurop88 | rtyler: look for bluetooth dial-up networking package |
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| 20:20.15 | rtyler | I've got that installed actually, digging through docs on maemo.org |
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| 20:28.11 | rtyler | hmm, on the android device, after pairing it says "paired but not connected" bummer |
| 20:28.25 | rtyler | the n900 only lists the OPP profile for the android device too |
| 20:28.28 | rtyler | digs some more |
| 20:28.31 | jurop88 | here it works flawlessly |
| 20:28.34 | jurop88 | ubuntu box |
| 20:28.38 | jurop88 | osx box |
| 20:28.48 | jurop88 | winVista slate |
| 20:28.58 | rtyler | hm |
| 20:28.58 | jurop88 | don't know anything about androids, though |
| 20:29.46 | rtyler | was there any additional setup you required other than just pairing them? |
| 20:30.08 | jurop88 | no, at least I don't remember any particular setup or difficulty |
| 20:30.20 | jurop88 | it just worked OOTB |
| 20:30.40 | rtyler | drats |
| 20:30.53 | rtyler | I wonder if this might be fuxord due to the advanced kernel package |
| 20:31.12 | jurop88 | N900 should be not connected to the internet when connecting the outer device |
| 20:31.19 | jurop88 | KP47 here |
| 20:31.40 | rtyler | correct, I've got the device disconnected from the data link |
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| 20:37.37 | rtyler | aha, it looks like the DUN profile must not be sent to the android device |
| 20:37.55 | rtyler | there are no profiles that show up here: http://www.droid-life.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/bluetooth-xoom8-600x375.png |
| 20:39.26 | a-saint | psycho_oreos r you here it's steverm with the weird connection problem on n900 earlier |
| 20:43.45 | rtyler | jurop88: yeah, looks like there's just no profiles being sent to the tablet |
| 20:45.58 | jurop88 | rtyler: dun profile is correctly recognized by linux and mac osx boxes (and I think vista slate, too) |
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| 20:59.01 | Macer | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaeOXyA7wo0&feature=youtube_gdata_player |
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| 21:39.09 | vi__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:39.21 | vi__ | I am trying to run a script at boot |
| 21:39.42 | vi__ | this script will mount bind a directory in opt to Mydocs |
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| 21:40.23 | vi__ | mount --bind /opt/maps_osm /user/home/MyDocs/.maps |
| 21:40.39 | vi__ | this allows me to store all the maps in opt |
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| 21:41.07 | vi__ | I have a script in Xsession.post called 80mount |
| 21:41.52 | vi__ | it contains the line echo "blah/path/script/mount.sh" | root | echo "" |
| 21:42.09 | vi__ | if I run this script manually it works |
| 21:42.28 | vi__ | i.e. i type path to xsession script |
| 21:42.52 | vi__ | however at boot IT JUST DOESNT FUCKING WORK |
| 21:43.02 | vi__ | the script is running |
| 21:43.26 | vi__ | i have added a test routine to touch a file when it executes |
| 21:43.51 | vi__ | does anyone have any suggestions as to why this does not work? |
| 21:44.06 | vi__ | is there even anyone listening? |
| 21:44.26 | NIN101 | sure you can pipe to "root"? |
| 21:44.52 | vi__ | well the fact i can excute it from xterm shows I can |
| 21:45.47 | vi__ | are xsession scripts run as root or user? |
| 21:49.36 | NIN101 | hmm indeed it is possible to pipe th at. Well, create a Xsession script with whoami and find that out... or edit a bootscript like rcS-late |
| 21:51.25 | NIN101 | also why do you want to bind mount that? /home/opt is bind mounted to /opt, it should be possible to work with symlinks here. |
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| 22:15.01 | javispedro | GAN900: ping |
| 22:17.08 | javispedro | MohammadAG: ping |
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| 22:40.22 | nusse_ | can i trust the last-full value of my battery on my n900? |
| 22:41.09 | jacekowski | depends on how you understand this value |
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| 22:49.11 | nusse_ | jacekowski: well, is it any indicator if i should get a new battery |
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| 22:50.13 | jacekowski | nusse_: not really |
| 22:50.28 | e-yes | is kexec still broken in n900 kernels? |
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| 22:53.00 | LarsN | have any of you had an N900 that even when on the factory wall charger gives the nokia (without backlight) background and no orange charging led. Then just the orange charging led, then the orange led, plus the non-backlit nokia, rinse, repeat |
| 22:53.55 | LarsN | I suspect I need to re-flash the device, but I can't keep it powered on long enough to initialize. It started this midway through a dist-upgrade. |
| 22:55.23 | nusse_ | LarsN: happens for me all the time |
| 22:55.41 | LarsN | nusse_: any suggestions? |
| 22:55.44 | nusse_ | i suspect powerkernel |
| 22:56.00 | nusse_ | just leave it there for an hour and it might boot |
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| 22:56.22 | LarsN | wouldn't flashing the image replace the kernel with the default? |
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| 22:56.41 | nusse_ | yes |
| 22:56.43 | LarsN | because I did that friday first, in an attempt to start over from zero. |
| 22:56.48 | nusse_ | well at least i guess |
| 22:56.53 | LarsN | flashed the device. blew aways /home/users/* |
| 22:57.13 | LarsN | apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade (after installing the gainroot package) |
| 22:57.21 | LarsN | crash mid way through. |
| 23:00.18 | NIN101 | never use apt-get upgrade on maemo... |
| 23:01.06 | LarsN | NIN101: ok..... Now that the damage is done... Do you agree it may have charged enough in the last two days that a flash might get it to boot again? |
| 23:01.15 | jacekowski | does anybody have cheap n900 for sale? |
| 23:02.06 | NIN101 | LarsN: I don't know... |
| 23:02.35 | NIN101 | LarsN: How much % do you think it still have |
| 23:03.17 | LarsN | battery? |
| 23:03.18 | LarsN | no idea |
| 23:03.31 | LarsN | I thought it was at 50% or more when I was upgrading it friday |
| 23:03.39 | LarsN | it's been on the desktop charger since friday evening. |
| 23:03.46 | NIN101 | hmm. |
| 23:03.54 | LarsN | worst case I'll go buy an external Battery charger for it. |
| 23:04.22 | GeneralAntilles | javispedro, pong? |
| 23:04.26 | NIN101 | so it does not boot LarsN? |
| 23:04.46 | LarsN | it starts to, white nokia screen |
| 23:04.50 | LarsN | then powers off |
| 23:04.54 | NIN101 | ok this means it does not boot |
| 23:04.56 | LarsN | before the music. |
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| 23:05.43 | javispedro | GeneralAntilles: http://www.amazon.com/HP-FB356UT-QUALCOMM-Snapdragon-Wireless/dp/B0056UOUHS/ |
| 23:06.17 | GeneralAntilles | Who the hell is onSale? |
| 23:06.39 | javispedro | yeah, ships US only and sounds .. uneasy. |
| 23:06.53 | GeneralAntilles | Would if it were a reputable dealer |
| 23:06.56 | GeneralAntilles | Never heard of onSale |
| 23:07.38 | jacekowski | i'm looking for cheap N900 in the UK |
| 23:07.48 | nusse_ | same price http://www.bestbuy.ca/en-CA/product/hewlett-packard-hp-16gb-touchpad-with-wi-fi-16gb-wifi/10173116.aspx?path=24aa74e36d1cba4ce76fdd5a9f3298cfen02 |
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| 23:09.08 | javispedro | rumour has it the supposed 200,000 bestbuy units will be sold via hp.com |
| 23:09.11 | javispedro | http://h41112.www4.hp.com/promo/webos/us/en/tablet/touchpad-availability.html?jumpid=ex_r11694_go_touchpad-availability |
| 23:09.30 | NIN101 | LarsN: So I really don't know if you should try reflashing the rootfs. If you have a microsd you could install meego on it by using your PC, and boot that because it can charge the batttery. Maybe you have enough power for a reflash, maybe not... |
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| 23:25.56 | LarsN | NIN101: if I install Meego on the SD card, how do I select that OS to boot from? |
| 23:26.08 | LarsN | done't I need a separate boot loader to choose? or is there a keyboard shortcut? |
| 23:26.11 | NIN101 | this is documented. |
| 23:27.24 | LarsN | NIN101: I've not tried installing MeeGo at all, so.... I haven't looked at, or even considered looking for the documents. |
| 23:27.35 | NIN101 | http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/MMC I suggest you read everything |
| 23:27.58 | LarsN | I'm pretty sure nuclear fusion reactors are documented too. :) Thanks for the link, will read that before I dive into anything further :) |
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| 23:32.00 | NIN101 | This is wise ;). |
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