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| 00:00.11 | fusi | off to maplins tomorrow ^^ |
| 00:00.24 | fusi | buy myself a teeeenie tiny soldering iron |
| 00:00.40 | villager | Primes: hmm, interesting |
| 00:00.58 | SpeedEvil | Also the appropriate screwdriver |
| 00:01.08 | SpeedEvil | Possibly an idea to source a fresh USB socket too |
| 00:02.23 | fusi | the port hasnt come off th board yet |
| 00:02.30 | fusi | but its failing to charge |
| 00:02.39 | Primes | used n900 available around 120 GBP from cex store. You could get lower C grade or locked if you just want to cannibalise for parts |
| 00:02.52 | SpeedEvil | fusi: 0th question. |
| 00:03.06 | SpeedEvil | fusi: Have you checked another lead/computer? |
| 00:03.11 | SpeedEvil | Primes: what store? |
| 00:03.12 | fusi | thanks Primes |
| 00:03.17 | fusi | SpeedEvil: heheh yes ;) |
| 00:03.48 | SpeedEvil | fusi: Also - find a bright light, and ensure there is no debris in the connector |
| 00:03.48 | fusi | just wondering if it can be fixed if its still on the baord |
| 00:03.54 | fusi | or if its a gonner already |
| 00:04.09 | fusi | na its defo gone m8 |
| 00:04.25 | SpeedEvil | k |
| 00:04.30 | fusi | i can/could get charge light with certain force on port |
| 00:04.42 | fusi | through cable i.e. pushing upwards, inwards, outwards etc |
| 00:05.06 | fusi | gut feelin says im gonna have to pull it off the board and do a botch job |
| 00:05.26 | fusi | surface mounted isnt it? |
| 00:05.36 | fusi | connectors are gonna be underneath, wont get an iorn in there |
| 00:05.55 | fusi | hmm |
| 00:05.59 | Primes | speedevil the high street store selling used n900 have online cex.co.uk see pricing and stock availability (what is in what store) there |
| 00:07.30 | fusi | what are the A B and C's for? |
| 00:07.35 | fusi | quality? |
| 00:07.49 | Primes | A will be mint condition with a box and all accessory |
| 00:07.58 | fusi | ooh |
| 00:08.07 | fusi | really? |
| 00:08.34 | Primes | I bought a B and actually it had those, with very few minor scratches that aren't visible in use really (I probably gave more scratch myself) |
| 00:08.34 | fusi | hmmm |
| 00:08.40 | fusi | im soooo tempted to buy a secod one |
| 00:09.03 | fusi | suprised somewhere has it in stock |
| 00:09.16 | Primes | some B will not have box/accessories. C will be tested working, probably charger but no video out cable etc. |
| 00:09.38 | Primes | yeah well all those iphone wanters traded in their n900 probably |
| 00:10.16 | Primes | you can also watch the n900 on ebay, but it's hard to know what price the auction will finish at because of competing bidders |
| 00:13.05 | fusi | heh |
| 00:13.11 | fusi | aye |
| 00:13.19 | fusi | hmm |
| 00:13.28 | fusi | i hope the seals havent come off |
| 00:13.31 | fusi | bet they bloody have |
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| 00:14.43 | Primes | yeah I'm kinda tempted to get second n900 myself, run one on o2, one on three |
| 00:15.28 | Primes | three have a new "unlimited" data sim. From my use of three mifi unit their network seems ok |
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| 00:25.03 | fusi | oooh |
| 00:25.11 | fusi | im so tempted but i really cant afford it |
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| 00:25.25 | fusi | i only really need one |
| 00:26.28 | fusi | right |
| 00:26.34 | fusi | next question |
| 00:27.07 | fusi | given a 500ma usb cable, can i charge a battery directly |
| 00:27.18 | fusi | i.e. if i strip the wire down |
| 00:27.48 | fusi | ill google that heh ;p |
| 00:30.01 | Primes | you don't charge those lithium battery by wire it up to usb 5v!!! Lithium could catch fire. You can recharge battery in another n900, another nokia phone using the same battery, the battery charger official is also available |
| 00:31.59 | Primes | also I'm guess n900 price in cex may fall once n9 becomes onto market (n900 owners selling to upgrade) |
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| 00:34.16 | fusi | d'oh |
| 00:34.29 | fusi | have just been reading stuff along those lines |
| 00:34.46 | fusi | sigh |
| 00:35.02 | fusi | i am now phoneless for an indeterminate perdiod of time |
| 00:36.23 | Primes | some other nokia phone use the same battery. See if any friends own that, or buy a spare battery that will come in handy, or see if a friendly store can charge it for you |
| 00:37.33 | fusi | i dont trust people |
| 00:37.35 | fusi | :p |
| 00:37.54 | fusi | have just bought a desktop charger |
| 00:38.03 | fusi | might arrive by saterday maybe |
| 00:39.03 | Primes | I trust people to charge a battery, I don't hand them my root passwords or encryption keys |
| 00:39.21 | Primes | how much was the charger? |
| 00:39.34 | fusi | i guess im saying, id rather sort it out myself than rely on others ;) |
| 00:39.50 | fusi | 4 quid ish |
| 00:39.59 | fusi | http://www.bestofferbuy.com/bl5j-battery-desktop-charger-for-nokia-n900-5800-x6-p-56247.html |
| 00:40.03 | Primes | yes it's less favours they can call in |
| 00:40.25 | fusi | well, i dont like asking and getting rejected ;p |
| 00:42.54 | Primes | I can handle the rejection assuming I don't have to visit the store in future :-) |
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| 00:43.27 | Primes | That charger is really cheap. It's not original nokia OEM, but it will charge those batteries. Tempting. |
| 00:44.51 | Primes | Early n900 had a problem where charging port usb came off. Later design revision changed it. Don't know which you have but some engineer may be experienced at the replacement and have required tools |
| 00:57.10 | Primes | hi I I need xsltproc to be installed. How can I do it? |
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| 01:21.51 | DocScrutinizer | fusi: you'll see on those pictures on tmo that the contacts are not under the component, despite it's SMT |
| 01:22.05 | DocScrutinizer | ~factinfo usbfix |
| 01:22.05 | infobot | usbfix -- created by DocScrutinizer <~halley@openmoko/engineers/joerg> at Thu Aug 4 15:11:27 2011 (14 days); it has been requested 11 times, last by SpeedEvil, 1h 23m 8s ago; it has been locked by DocScrutinizer. |
| 01:22.17 | DocScrutinizer | ~usbfix |
| 01:22.18 | infobot | Fixate receptacle like this: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=547991#post547991 - get the pic.zip form there http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=870017&postcount=27 for details how to deal with contact pads came off, or >>NEVER use epoxy glue!<< |
| 01:22.20 | DocScrutinizer | err |
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| 01:23.35 | DocScrutinizer | fusi: can you still connect to PC and select mass storage/PCsuite mode? |
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| 02:05.30 | javispedro | and much like after the elopcalypse, HP stock is already going DOOOOOOoooooooowwwn |
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| 02:05.52 | javispedro | -10% so far. |
| 02:09.34 | GeneralAntilles | lol |
| 02:09.40 | GeneralAntilles | Lotta idiots at the top |
| 02:09.45 | GeneralAntilles | The baby boomers need to die off or retired |
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| 02:19.12 | LarsN | villager: aty? |
| 02:19.16 | LarsN | ayt too... |
| 02:25.07 | javispedro | hopes for a rather large hp tablet price drop, it still has a IPS screen after all =) |
| 02:25.26 | javispedro | so many people "returning" their tablets on #webos that it might happen |
| 02:27.04 | LarsN | I toyed with the idea of a WebOS tablet |
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| 02:27.39 | LarsN | I think I'm going to get a convertable Lenovo netbook/tablet and just dual boot meego and pc-bsd on it. |
| 02:28.25 | javispedro | I am getting the x220 |
| 02:28.37 | flailingmonkey | i really want a pre3... :/ |
| 02:28.50 | javispedro | (x220t) |
| 02:29.08 | LarsN | I'm looking at the x220s with the slate battery |
| 02:29.16 | flailingmonkey | i've used an original pixi, and the UI is pretty nice. i don't really know what brought about this whole decision |
| 02:29.19 | LarsN | still thinking the lite convertable tablet would be a good addition. |
| 02:31.22 | flailingmonkey | and the whole notion of phone + tablet + desktop integration was crucial |
| 02:32.20 | javispedro | flailingmonkey: I do agree; it's a stupid idea but it rather works |
| 02:32.33 | javispedro | there was an Intel Meego demo doing the same months before HP's. |
| 02:32.49 | javispedro | HP marketed it first though. |
| 02:33.14 | flailingmonkey | if integration is implemented solidly, it is a major benefit. not just feature |
| 02:33.35 | LarsN | I think the blackberry + playbook integration is pretty good |
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| 02:33.51 | LarsN | of course neither is open, and neither works particularly well with !windows |
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| 02:35.08 | javispedro | either way, Pre3=N) |
| 02:35.12 | javispedro | Pre3=N9 |
| 02:35.19 | javispedro | you'd be lucky if you ever find one. |
| 02:36.47 | LarsN | I have a friend who might be willing to ship me an N9 when they're released. |
| 02:37.50 | LarsN | as it is, I'm attempting to install the devel version of sync-evolution to see if I can get my calendars syncing at work. and at home. |
| 02:40.08 | javispedro | ah, the death of PalmOne. |
| 02:42.01 | ds3 | both palms are gone |
| 02:42.16 | ds3 | we need something useful |
| 02:42.28 | ds3 | useable would suffice |
| 02:47.46 | javispedro | well, PalmSource is still somewhat alive |
| 02:47.54 | javispedro | one half of PalmSource is doing rather well |
| 02:48.17 | javispedro | they made some rather popular Linux-based operating system |
| 02:48.21 | javispedro | I think they call it Android. |
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| 02:53.03 | LarsN | javispedro: so palmsource was purchased by oracle eh? :) |
| 02:53.33 | LarsN | javispedro: sorry, couldn't resist the Dalvek jab |
| 02:54.48 | javispedro | there is no purchase involved, it's just that a bunch of employees went for android in 2005/2006 and you can see large influences of PalmOS in the design |
| 02:55.15 | javispedro | like Binder (from Palm/Be's OpenBinder) |
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| 03:09.40 | flailingmonkey | yeah |
| 03:10.24 | flailingmonkey | i wonder where the MeeGo Nokians will go... I keep waiting for someone to round up the best of Nokia's engineers and create a startup |
| 03:10.41 | flailingmonkey | but I bet software patents would be an issue |
| 03:11.28 | flailingmonkey | NokiaSoft vs Googmoto vs Apple, Patent Goliaths |
| 03:11.30 | ds3 | really? thought Access nuked them |
| 03:14.20 | javispedro | ds3: and what happens when you nuke a company? the talent goes into a then-startup. |
| 03:24.33 | ds3 | javispedro: the talent left a long time ago |
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| 06:46.36 | RST38h | "China clones iPhone, iStores, Steve Jobs" =) |
| 06:47.46 | RST38h | http://micgadget.com/14745/xiaomis-ceo-is-imitating-steve-jobs/ |
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| 07:07.05 | antman8969 | where is the innovation in china?? |
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| 07:09.42 | RST38h | Who cares about innovation? |
| 07:09.52 | RST38h | Nowadays, anyway... |
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| 07:15.12 | villager | LarsN: "ayt"? no, I was sleeping a bit... |
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| 07:15.53 | RST38h | moo wazd |
| 07:16.14 | RST38h | wazd:I think you should also get a pair of jeans and a black turtleneck |
| 07:16.31 | RST38h | wazd: YOu will do a better Jobs impersonation that the Chinese guy |
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| 08:26.53 | jack_lt | hi, tried to make an Easy Debian squeeze image for the n900, the chroot works, but can't boot lxde graphically. Any idea how to launch x from chroot? |
| 08:27.29 | lupine_85 | jack_lt, just a guess, but the X server is probably listening on a socket that isn't in the chroot |
| 08:27.34 | nze | i selected a bunch of applications for install with FAM before going to bed last night, this morning i find my n900 turned off (was charging, battery full) |
| 08:27.34 | nze | any was i can find out how far it got? i can't seem to find a dpkg.log (why is that?) |
| 08:27.36 | lupine_85 | (UNIX socket) |
| 08:27.52 | lupine_85 | I typically mount --bind /sys, /tmp, /proc and /dev as a matter of course in my chroots |
| 08:28.06 | lupine_85 | (you've then got to ensure that $DISPLAY is sane, of course) |
| 08:28.19 | jack_lt | hmm ok |
| 08:28.32 | jack_lt | I am pretty new on this, you're warned ;) |
| 08:29.25 | lupine_85 | like I said, this is entirely a guess - based on non-N900 chroot/X experience |
| 08:30.06 | jack_lt | and how does such a xephyr command looks like, to start it? |
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| 08:32.03 | jack_lt | when I use the graphical icon, I get an message for easy lxde and that I need to click 'ok' to grab the keybd |
| 08:32.10 | jack_lt | but then the screen turns black |
| 08:33.28 | lupine_85 | sounds like you need more help than I can give |
| 08:34.16 | jack_lt | has financial problems too |
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| 09:10.12 | vi__ | if I delete genfstab.awk can I use my own static fstab? |
| 09:10.37 | robbiethe1st | Make sure you're backed up before you try it |
| 09:10.57 | vi__ | robbiethe1st: I have just taken delivery of a brand spanking new N900 |
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| 09:11.13 | vi__ | I want to get the filesystem *perfect* before I install all my shit |
| 09:12.46 | vi__ | Can I for example delete the .maps directory from Mydocs, re create it on /opt then mount bind it into Mydocs? |
| 09:13.16 | vi__ | or is there some fat32 thing that I dont know about? |
| 09:14.20 | vi__ | heres one. Do you think I could install grub onto Mydocs and use the N900 as a USB boot device for a PC? |
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| 09:19.35 | robbiethe1st | the latter one... I don't know. I don't think so, though - the filesystem module exposes a "fake" MBR etc... |
| 09:19.54 | robbiethe1st | Booting off the SD card, however is definitely possible |
| 09:20.06 | vi__ | robbiethe1st: just found a video on youtube pf some bro booting buntu mint |
| 09:20.31 | robbiethe1st | Yes. Just install it to your SD card and it'll work |
| 09:20.48 | vi__ | ...interesting |
| 09:21.46 | vi__ | now, what is the best distro to boot? |
| 09:23.05 | robbiethe1st | No clue, but you can use MultiSystem and boot any number of distros |
| 09:23.16 | vi__ | I know. |
| 09:23.42 | robbiethe1st | I'd go with Debian XFCE or LXDE |
| 09:23.49 | robbiethe1st | lightweight = quicker boot |
| 09:23.50 | vi__ | what would be kinky would be repartitioning and flashing another N900 form an N900. |
| 09:25.18 | vi__ | robbiethe1st: almost certainly, however I dont want a general purpose distro. Just somthing that will allow me to fix filesystems/re-partition/burn CDs/dump disk images of broken partitions/connect to the web. |
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| 09:26.09 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 09:26.11 | robbiethe1st | I would go with Debian LXDE or Puppy, then install the bits you need |
| 09:26.22 | robbiethe1st | that way you have the tools *you* want/need |
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| 09:27.22 | kerio | i'd go with sysrescuecd |
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| 09:46.50 | pavi | lxde is better than xfce |
| 09:47.27 | kerio | ROX-Desktop > else |
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| 09:50.25 | inz | fvwm & xterm should me enough for everyone |
| 09:50.37 | kerio | rox is a great idea |
| 09:50.55 | kerio | not a new idea |
| 09:51.00 | kerio | but a great idea |
| 09:51.07 | kerio | automagical application bundles and stuff |
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| 10:11.16 | xnt14 | Does anyone know how to get NAT Transversal working on 3G for something useful like ssh? |
| 10:11.57 | djszapi | with own kernel I guess |
| 10:12.17 | djszapi | oops wrong channel, sorry :) |
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| 10:15.43 | xnt14 | This script works on my vps, but doesn't on T-Mobile's 3G network... http://www.rubyinside.com/skype-style-firewall-busting-with-ruby-and-udp-399.html |
| 10:17.11 | ShadowJK | is it any different on 3g than other NATs? |
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| 10:19.41 | chem|st | ShadowJK: isn't it an ISP problem in that case? |
| 10:20.10 | xnt14 | ShadowJK: It seems so. The script works even on one of the servers at work, but not on the N900. |
| 10:21.01 | ShadowJK | chem|st, yes? |
| 10:21.10 | xnt14 | well, T-Mobile probably won't let me open any ports even if I called their support number.. |
| 10:21.20 | ShadowJK | I mean, if your ISP puts you behind a NAT, that's definitely the ISP restricting your internet connectivity |
| 10:22.04 | ShadowJK | it's not about "opening ports", if you're behind NAT you don't have an IP address |
| 10:22.16 | xnt14 | ShadowJK: AFAIK, most mobile carriers put you behind a NAT |
| 10:22.40 | xnt14 | AT&T US does the same... not sure about the other providors |
| 10:22.46 | ShadowJK | Could be |
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| 10:23.05 | xnt14 | Any way around it? |
| 10:23.31 | xnt14 | ShadowJK: does your carrier put you behind a NAT? |
| 10:23.34 | ShadowJK | no |
| 10:23.45 | xnt14 | Which carrier? not in the US I presume? |
| 10:23.50 | ShadowJK | no not in the US |
| 10:24.39 | ShadowJK | that script will never work for ssh |
| 10:24.48 | xnt14 | ShadowJK: true, but it's a start. |
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| 10:25.01 | xnt14 | still curious, which carrier do you have? |
| 10:25.10 | ShadowJK | Saunalahti/Elisa in Finland |
| 10:25.20 | ShadowJK | they give out seemingly unlimited number of public IPs with no NAT |
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| 10:25.50 | xnt14 | Ah. Nice. American carriers aren't so generous.... |
| 10:26.01 | ShadowJK | For example I can have N900 itself on 3g with its own IP, and share internet connectivity over bluetooth to my laptop, and my laptop gets its own public IP with no NAT :P |
| 10:26.30 | xnt14 | I could just run autossh on my N900 to my server, but that will drain battery. |
| 10:26.59 | xnt14 | ShadowJK: my laptop just gets another NAT'd IP. >_> |
| 10:27.25 | ShadowJK | I actually use openvpn to my server. iirc I've got it configured for 30s keep-alives, which does reduce battery life on 2g to about a day |
| 10:28.01 | xnt14 | I wonder if T-Mobile is still offering their ipv6 trial... they probably are giving out public IPs on that. |
| 10:29.16 | xnt14 | ShadowJK: I keep my N900 on 3G, which does get better battery life when it's idle, but if I do anything that's bandwidth-intensive, the battery goes rapidly. |
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| 10:30.41 | xnt14 | Hmm... http://maemo-experience.blogspot.com/2010/01/n900-hack-dynamic-dns-update.html |
| 10:30.56 | xnt14 | I think I actually hate T-Mobile now. :P |
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| 10:35.27 | DocScrutinizer | xnt14: actually bandwidth isn't the issue with 3G, it's frequency of transaction entities. Each data transfer, whether in or out, causes some heavy penalty on power consumption, i.e. bites out a certain chunk of energy from your battery |
| 10:35.51 | Malin_ | Is there a way to run android-apps in maemo? |
| 10:36.08 | DocScrutinizer | xnt14: this is because on 3G the TX will stay active for some time even after sending/receiving a singley byte |
| 10:37.12 | DocScrutinizer | see http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Power_Consumption#2G_data.2C_short_pings ff |
| 10:37.41 | xnt14 | DocScrutinizer: So even running something that's very bandwidth-efficient would still kill the battery? |
| 10:37.52 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
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| 10:38.17 | mece | wait |
| 10:38.32 | DocScrutinizer | unless transfers are bundled and occur only occasionally, in chunks |
| 10:38.43 | mece | howcome it get ~100% better battery life while online on messengers with 2g? |
| 10:38.55 | mece | 100% is not an exaggeration |
| 10:39.15 | DocScrutinizer | mece: see my explanation above |
| 10:39.53 | Sicelo | xnt14: did u consider reverse ssh? |
| 10:40.09 | xnt14 | DocScrutinizer: I see... |
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| 10:40.29 | mece | selvä |
| 10:40.32 | DocScrutinizer | unlike 3G the 2G energy consumption has no penalty for starting a TX event. Rather on 2G energy consumption is rather proportional to data volume transferred |
| 10:40.45 | mece | DocScrutinizer, nice.. |
| 10:40.48 | xnt14 | Sicelo: yes, but I would prefer a public IP. I can't reverse ssh to a school computer for example.. |
| 10:40.57 | mece | ok how long is the 3g stayalive time? |
| 10:41.22 | xnt14 | DocScrutinizer: so autossh on 2G would have much better battery life, right? |
| 10:41.23 | SpeedEvil | It depends if it kicks up into 3.5 |
| 10:41.27 | SpeedEvil | If not, a few seconds |
| 10:41.40 | DocScrutinizer | two levels, one in the (sub)second range, the other like several seconds |
| 10:41.44 | mece | I catually need to know this because I'm developing a thing that needs to poll over http |
| 10:41.46 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Power_Consumption |
| 10:41.52 | mece | s/catually/actually/ |
| 10:42.33 | Termana | good morning |
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| 10:43.29 | SpeedEvil | How often poll? |
| 10:43.39 | DocScrutinizer | Termana: moin |
| 10:43.46 | SpeedEvil | And how much data |
| 10:44.13 | SpeedEvil | You need to be quiet for over 10s before you get much power saving from 3g |
| 10:44.26 | mece | SpeedEvil, let's say the data would be regular http headers + say 100 bytes or so. |
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| 10:44.38 | SpeedEvil | 60s will probably get around 15mA - 1%/hour use. |
| 10:44.45 | mece | it's a hash and gps coordinates in text format |
| 10:44.50 | SpeedEvil | How often? |
| 10:45.03 | mece | fast. 1-5s |
| 10:45.10 | SpeedEvil | That's going to hurt |
| 10:45.14 | mece | that's ok. |
| 10:45.17 | chem|st | bigtime! |
| 10:45.23 | SpeedEvil | You're looking at 20% or so an hour on 3G |
| 10:45.25 | mece | it's meant for short periods |
| 10:45.25 | DocScrutinizer | also keep in mind TCP is a protocol with handshake (and GPRS afaik has its own handshake for all data), so even receiving data cranks up your GSM TX to send the ACK/whatever |
| 10:45.35 | mece | i'd say 5-15 minutes max |
| 10:45.40 | SpeedEvil | Then it's not an issue |
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| 10:46.03 | DocScrutinizer | hah, not an issue? |
| 10:46.14 | mece | lol |
| 10:46.37 | DocScrutinizer | I'd guess 4..8 times 15min eats thru your battery |
| 10:46.44 | mece | a stream would be better, but that complicates things |
| 10:46.51 | chem|st | SpeedEvil: in big cities with reliable 3G network, if the network is just a bit weak you get 40% drain in an hour without pwsaving |
| 10:48.04 | chem|st | 2h SIP talk was my max with freshly charged bat |
| 10:48.35 | chem|st | when it was new... |
| 10:48.42 | DocScrutinizer | (handshake, TX) especially nice when you got public IP and nothing stops random far ends to ping your device. Each ping will bite a chunk out of your battery life |
| 10:48.44 | SpeedEvil | Admittedly, IIRC my tests were done with a good 3G signal. |
| 10:48.57 | SpeedEvil | Though about as far from 'city' as you can get. |
| 10:49.04 | chem|st | SpeedEvil: that was with good signal... |
| 10:49.47 | SpeedEvil | 2h SIP uses the higher power mode, and will be of the order of 1/4/hour |
| 10:50.10 | SpeedEvil | The above do not count CPU activity beyond bare minimums |
| 10:50.49 | chem|st | k |
| 10:51.31 | xnt14 | Signing up for the T-Mobile ipv6 trial. :) |
| 10:51.38 | chem|st | would guess like DocScrutinizer to have 4-8 times 15mins possible with any 3g signal |
| 10:51.57 | SpeedEvil | mece: Why are you doing this - rather than polling less often? |
| 10:52.12 | xnt14 | This way, I'll get a public ipv6 IP. which is better than a NATed ip. |
| 10:54.55 | DocScrutinizer | xnt14: [2011-08-19 12:48:42] <DocScrutinizer> (handshake, TX) especially nice when you got public IP and nothing stops random far ends to ping your device. Each ping will bite a chunk out of your battery life |
| 10:55.47 | xnt14 | Now I just need to run my router through an ipv6 tunnel broker.... |
| 10:55.54 | DocScrutinizer | xnt14: a very special DoS attack. Just ping your IP to see device go down with flat battery after 90min |
| 10:56.11 | xnt14 | DocScrutinizer: I don't mind. I can always switch to the ipv4 APN... |
| 10:56.27 | DocScrutinizer | not with flat battery :-D |
| 10:56.55 | DocScrutinizer | so stating a publicly visible IP is always better than NAT is just incorrect |
| 10:57.26 | xnt14 | I usually keep my N900 plugged in... battery life during conference calls is terrible anyways. |
| 10:57.44 | DocScrutinizer | mhm |
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| 10:57.55 | xnt14 | I'm willing to accept the risks of having a public IP.... |
| 10:57.57 | DocScrutinizer | anyway bbl o/ |
| 10:58.26 | DocScrutinizer | heads off to fix some borked PC of some 'customer' |
| 10:58.59 | xnt14 | Bye... |
| 10:59.28 | xnt14 | I should go to sleep now. I've been up all night and I have to wake up in an hour.. |
| 10:59.50 | xnt14 | Good 'night', everyone. |
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| 11:14.31 | crashanddie | So, the community has lost roughly 40% of its contributors |
| 11:14.37 | crashanddie | There are no devices planned |
| 11:14.47 | crashanddie | No new OS planned for the current devices. |
| 11:15.10 | crashanddie | Yet, we still want a new council? |
| 11:15.13 | crashanddie | Whatfor, exactly? |
| 11:15.18 | crashanddie | Discussing with Nokia? Pfffff. |
| 11:15.24 | crashanddie | Uniting the community? Pfffff. |
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| 11:19.04 | RST38h | moo all |
| 11:19.38 | RST38h | BTW, HP is [finally] kaput |
| 11:19.42 | RST38h | And so is WebOS. |
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| 11:20.10 | mece | SpeedEvil, sorry was afk a bit. I want realtimeish position updates |
| 11:20.46 | RST38h | Which leaves us with what? iOS, Android, andWP |
| 11:21.23 | flailingmonkey | RIM |
| 11:21.27 | flailingmonkey | bada |
| 11:21.33 | RST38h | No, RIM is also dead |
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| 11:21.39 | crashanddie | Does MeeGo on the N900 or any other phone work? |
| 11:21.43 | RST38h | Bada is just an asian Symbian clone |
| 11:22.08 | flailingmonkey | Symbian is like a zombie, somehow still not dead |
| 11:22.20 | RST38h | Meego is also dead btw, some people just haven't accepted it yet |
| 11:22.37 | flailingmonkey | meego handset or all of meego |
| 11:22.44 | RST38h | Symbian will be dead as soon as all of its original managers from Nokia find new jobs |
| 11:23.38 | psycho_oreos | MeeGo apparently does work on N900, but I'm unsure of its current status with video chip acceleration. The last I checked only certain builds have proper gpu acceleration |
| 11:24.07 | flailingmonkey | what I mean is even with Nokia trying to kill it, Symbian is refuses to die |
| 11:25.16 | psycho_oreos | Symbian probably won't die for quite sometime, it has already gain a cult within the asian communities (note the various cloned phones running symbian with various skins on top) |
| 11:26.27 | flailingmonkey | and they aren't going to play the Microsoft game out in Asia |
| 11:26.32 | chouchoune | RST38h: why "finally" ? |
| 11:28.37 | psycho_oreos | remember that Symbian one stage held a very large social acceptance, so these things take sometime for the markets to re-adapt. Contrary to all that, I'm sure at the rate of hacked Symbian to run on exotic phones coming out of asia may also die quite quickly as already have started picking up android for tablets. |
| 11:30.17 | DocScrutinizer | so what's our options for a decent OS in the future? Try and turn android into a true proper Linux again? |
| 11:31.51 | psycho_oreos | turning android into proper linux isn't going to be likely. Once the purpose of the OS has been established and has been kept in that style it'll be unlikely for them to make dramatic changes |
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| 11:31.57 | DocScrutinizer | or go the "fringe path" and cling with maemo, adopt SHR? |
| 11:32.27 | derf | psycho_oreos: "They" won't make the changes. You'd have to fork it. |
| 11:32.36 | DocScrutinizer | exactly |
| 11:33.10 | chouchoune | Fusion Garage did fork Android, it's possible ... |
| 11:33.26 | psycho_oreos | derf, in that case it'll be loads of fun times ahead as well. Though I'm sure nobody here actually has a proper crystal ball to see the future of android |
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| 11:33.27 | chouchoune | but ... why not a proper Linux distribution then ... |
| 11:33.29 | RST38h | Doc: I would say, use stock Linux as the base, add Android to it |
| 11:33.37 | RST38h | Doc: as compatiblity layer |
| 11:34.06 | DocScrutinizer | sounds reasonable as a first approach |
| 11:34.13 | RST38h | strokes his crystal balls, makes a prediction about Android |
| 11:34.34 | chouchoune | RST38h: you mean, Meego + Dalvik ? ;) |
| 11:34.34 | DocScrutinizer | where stock linux is any debian based distro, e.g maemo |
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| 11:35.17 | DocScrutinizer | chouchoune: sounds like our best bet to keep something decent alive |
| 11:35.22 | flailingmonkey | Android meaning the kernel, and Linux meaning... the kernel? |
| 11:35.41 | flailingmonkey | double-kernels |
| 11:35.48 | RST38h | No |
| 11:35.49 | DocScrutinizer | eh? |
| 11:35.55 | RST38h | Linux kernel, linux libs,linux userland |
| 11:35.58 | psycho_oreos | dealing with android doesn't actually stop there, there's also android devices with locked bootloaders, they'll probably be as much fun to hack with as what Symbian phones previously had |
| 11:36.03 | flailingmonkey | two kernels enter, no users win |
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| 11:36.09 | DocScrutinizer | with alien-dalvik on top |
| 11:36.10 | RST38h | Just dalvik and android java libs on top |
| 11:36.19 | RST38h | kinda like an emulator |
| 11:36.29 | flailingmonkey | then say dalvik, there isn't anything android about that :p |
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| 11:36.44 | flailingmonkey | android is either kernel, or UX |
| 11:37.04 | flailingmonkey | and then a few shitty apps :p ;) |
| 11:37.11 | RST38h | flaili: if you would like to discuss therminology, Wikipedia is going to be a better place than this channel |
| 11:37.30 | RST38h | moo ab |
| 11:37.33 | DocScrutinizer | hrhrhr |
| 11:37.35 | ab | RST38h, |
| 11:38.23 | flailingmonkey | the question then returns to, what linux "userland" are you imagining |
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| 11:39.06 | DocScrutinizer | I'd be interested in general collabora* take on the whole thing |
| 11:40.08 | RST38h | ab: Have you heard it? WebOS is out. And so is HP, as a hardware manufacturer |
| 11:40.23 | DocScrutinizer | flailingmonkey: isn't that pretty obvious? a "clean" userland, where linux still is linux |
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| 11:40.38 | x29a_ | bug bummer, was suprised of how fast they killed webOS, specially with the whole html5 web bubble beeing still around |
| 11:40.45 | RST38h | wonders if there are Carly Fiorina's voodoo dolls on the market |
| 11:41.00 | flailingmonkey | where the men are men, the women are men, and even the bugs are men |
| 11:41.25 | x29a_ | im curious how bb's qnx will hit the market |
| 11:41.36 | x29a_ | in general, they make quite decent/stable products |
| 11:41.42 | ab | RST38h, Ari said they continue with WebOS full steam |
| 11:41.55 | x29a_ | but on a private basis, right? |
| 11:42.00 | flailingmonkey | i feel so bad for Ari |
| 11:42.03 | ab | RST38h, apparently, Apotheker said they have options on table, including licensing. |
| 11:42.04 | RST38h | x29: it will hit the market quite aking to a spittle |
| 11:42.29 | ab | RST38h, so products are discontinued but development is not yet disbanded |
| 11:42.30 | RST38h | ab: Who will license i :) |
| 11:42.34 | RST38h | it |
| 11:42.37 | RST38h | ? |
| 11:42.44 | x29a_ | samsung, when they get rid of bada, lol |
| 11:42.46 | x29a_ | *scnr* |
| 11:42.59 | ab | RST38h, have you seen fake SElop's statement? |
| 11:42.59 | nid0 | hopefully someone that can actually put it in vaguely nice hardware |
| 11:43.06 | RST38h | ab: it is pretty much the same kind of "diplomacy" Nokia applied to Symbian and Meego =( |
| 11:43.24 | RST38h | ab: No. His real statements are weird enough though. |
| 11:44.06 | ab | https://twitter.com/#!/ceoStephenElop/status/104295921260572672 |
| 11:44.54 | DocScrutinizer | x29a: there's this raster's linux pending from Samsung - got amazingly quiet about that thing lately. Usually raster came here (and elsewhere) on a regular schedule spreading teaser rants about that new acme OS of his/Samsung's to come RSN |
| 11:44.56 | ab | And mjg59 from LinuxCon: "This morning's keynote was on HP's commitment to WebOS. Sucks to be that guy now." |
| 11:46.23 | RST38h | ab: ahhahahaha (about ceoStephenElop twit) |
| 11:46.27 | x29a | docscrutinizer: i dont get samsung. but gazillions into promo and dev of bada, then present quite shitty OS, barely talk about it, infinit long update cycles. y oh y? |
| 11:46.29 | RST38h | Poor Ari... |
| 11:46.48 | RST38h | x29: What exactlu don't you understand? |
| 11:47.16 | DocScrutinizer | according to raster bada is a hickup |
| 11:47.22 | RST38h | x29: They copied Symbian APIs, with graphics stolen from iPhone, Maemo,and Android. They put the result into their feature phones |
| 11:47.44 | RST38h | x29: Because the thing is so horrible to developfor(Symbian!) nobody developed for it |
| 11:48.28 | RST38h | Also, with all the emphasis on Android (Samsung is THE leading Android phone maker), nobody needed Bada any more. |
| 11:48.36 | Nido | I tried to develop for symbian, but they wouldn't give me a key so i could, you know, actually run the programs I code |
| 11:48.46 | ab | My feeling was always that bada is their internal attempt to level different R&D departments and give internal application developers some stable environment to run their apps regardless what OS has won particular product development |
| 11:49.14 | RST38h | ab: Maybe, but in either case it all got crumbled by the ANdroid |
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| 11:49.30 | DocScrutinizer | ~seen raster |
| 11:49.40 | infobot | raster is currently on #webos-internals (1h 45m 47s) #meego (1h 45m 47s), last said: ':)'. |
| 11:49.54 | ab | from that perspective bada totally makes sense as it started much earlier than they got to Android -- at allowed to leverage R&D designs which were developed for low end models |
| 11:49.54 | DocScrutinizer | oooooh, on #meego?? |
| 11:49.56 | x29a | RST38h: why go that way in the first place? android is suitable for feature phones as well. or whatever proprietary shit they used before. i dont get why they did spend such a huge amount on bada and then let it rott to death |
| 11:50.26 | RST38h | x29a: I am sure you can answer your own question. |
| 11:51.03 | x29a | im afraid i cant, hence the "i dont udnerstand" part |
| 11:51.03 | RST38h | ab: probably had a few competing departments too |
| 11:51.15 | ab | RST38h, they do have, that's my understanding |
| 11:51.25 | RST38h | ab: Android obviously winning because of the Samsung's overall strategy of copying stuff, not inventing it |
| 11:51.46 | x29a | RST38h: and please use your tab key to do autocomplete (full) of my nick, that way i get a highlight |
| 11:52.13 | ab | RST38h, Android is winning for Samsung because they get R&D investment shared with Google and others, doing if not free ride but very close to that |
| 11:52.31 | RST38h | ab: Of course |
| 11:53.00 | RST38h | ab: On the other hand, all android phones look andfeel the same, so there is no brand loyalty or anything like that |
| 11:53.16 | RST38h | ab: Which probably satisfies Samsung, a well known producer of generic goods |
| 11:53.28 | RST38h | But may not satisfy others. |
| 11:53.34 | x29a | ab: you dont get that feeling by copying ios/android and call it bada |
| 11:53.59 | Nido | RST38h: isn't that why "Sense UI" and such get developpd? |
| 11:54.05 | RST38h | ab: that pant-pissing quote, ironically, is coming true |
| 11:54.34 | RST38h | Nido: same "Sense UI" users go to such lengths to disable in favor of Android's default UI? |
| 11:55.00 | x29a | RST38h: that was for you, not ab, sorry |
| 11:55.24 | Nido | RST38h: probably. I'm not saing it is "better", just "not generic android" |
| 11:55.39 | nid0 | well, some do. sense ui is actually not that bad, compared to some skins |
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| 11:56.59 | RST38h | ab: http://www.asymco.com/2011/07/29/apple-captured-two-thirds-of-available-mobile-phone-profits-in-q2/ |
| 11:57.12 | RST38h | ab: check out profits by Android phonemakers |
| 11:57.36 | RST38h | ab: Isn't it cute, how closely they copy the profits of Android Market participants?:)) |
| 11:58.07 | ab | x29a, bada started much earlier than Samsung got into Android. |
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| 11:58.33 | x29a | but android was there, so it was clearly a decision someone made based on information |
| 11:58.42 | RST38h | sighs at x29a |
| 11:58.51 | x29a | just /ignore me |
| 11:58.57 | RST38h | Obviously unaware of how corporate decisions are made |
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| 11:59.03 | ab | x29a, do you know anything about mobile industry developments? :) |
| 11:59.29 | x29a | no, im an end user, obviously |
| 12:00.59 | chouchoune | what's your point RST38h ? |
| 12:01.15 | chouchoune | there was a political fight at Samsung and the pro-android won ? |
| 12:02.04 | chouchoune | and Bada-people were let to play with their toy to avoid a clash ? |
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| 12:03.42 | ab | chouchoune, Android is still not ready to go to low-end devices as Samsung understands them, this is where bada helps right now. In future many things will move Android, I'm sure. Of course, if raster wouldn't get his joker played well |
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| 12:04.54 | chouchoune | ab: I'm not sure about that ... Bada participates in the global believing that Samsung can do things by itself |
| 12:05.31 | chouchoune | if Samsung keeps Bada, they can still say "we can do our own too" |
| 12:05.43 | x29a | its spread and success with the very end-users speaks for it |
| 12:05.55 | x29a | im curious how the 2.0 version will do |
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| 13:31.43 | LarsN | villager: AYT? |
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| 13:54.22 | ruskie | http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/HP-pulls-plug-on-WebOS/ <-- erm |
| 13:55.36 | jacekowski | ruskie: that was expected |
| 13:56.33 | ruskie | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/08/19/apple_samsung/ <-- you're joking right? |
| 13:56.47 | jacekowski | nope |
| 13:57.18 | nid0 | I dearly hope whatever court that letter was sent to sees sense and gives apple a big giant get fucked |
| 13:57.37 | nid0 | and that samsung stop all parts supplies to apple |
| 13:58.24 | ruskie | nid0, that last part would be a tad hard... contracts and all that ya know |
| 13:59.02 | Robot101 | you'll probably find apple already switched suppliers before sending the letter :P |
| 13:59.41 | nid0 | im sure any half decent lawyer could conjure up a force majeure clause to allow samsung to get out of the contracts when apple are suing samsung over devices using their own parts |
| 13:59.57 | Robot101 | that's not force majeure |
| 14:01.03 | nid0 | read what I said |
| 14:01.26 | jacekowski | well, contracts last only for so long |
| 14:01.51 | jacekowski | and after they do something like that to samsung they other manufacturers may not want to sign new one |
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| 14:02.37 | nid0 | there also arent all that many manufactures going that can supply the high-value parts samsung do in the volumes they do, so apple's list of alternatives is probably thin to begin with |
| 14:03.03 | jacekowski | TI can do it |
| 14:08.07 | pavi | does everyone have a very disgusting front camera on n900 ? |
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| 14:08.12 | pavi | I used a app called mirror |
| 14:08.22 | jacekowski | yeah, it's crap |
| 14:08.24 | jacekowski | nobody uses it |
| 14:08.27 | pavi | People started teasing me saying even 90's wont have that bad camera |
| 14:08.57 | jacekowski | n900 has only one camera |
| 14:08.59 | jacekowski | front camera |
| 14:09.05 | jacekowski | back * |
| 14:09.21 | jacekowski | thing on the front is just a toy |
| 14:10.46 | nid0 | but then, 2 years ago was around the time a lot of other smartphones didnt even include front cameras, so although it's shit at least it's there |
| 14:11.20 | jacekowski | it's a toy not a camera |
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| 14:13.38 | LarsN | does anyone know if there's an up to date set of instructions for using the extras-devel version of sync-evolution (which now supports CalDav?) |
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| 14:31.02 | villager | LarsN: you should probably have explained what "ayt" means, anyway |
| 14:31.25 | LarsN | villager: sorry, Are You There :) |
| 14:31.54 | LarsN | made a poor assumption that the term we use in the office was in the standard lexicon :) |
| 14:31.59 | LarsN | isn't very smart apparently. |
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| 14:33.39 | villager | LarsN: well, I guess I'm here... (not there...) |
| 14:34.16 | LarsN | villager: heh. Is there an updated set of docs on how to "start from nothing" and end up with a working caldav sync? |
| 14:34.49 | LarsN | a lot of the things I'm reading date back over a year, and it's obvious things have changed quite a bit. |
| 14:35.31 | villager | LarsN: have you installed the syncevolution-frontend also? makes stuff easier (provided it works) |
| 14:35.46 | LarsN | villager: I have not. I suppose I can do that now though :) |
| 14:36.15 | villager | there was a new syncevolution release yesterday with some caldav bugfixes, I suppose i'll try to put that into extras-devel soon |
| 14:36.38 | villager | but you can set it up now anyway |
| 14:37.00 | LarsN | I'll grab the front end and see if that makes life somewhat less confusing |
| 14:37.19 | LarsN | villager: that should sync with google calendars as well as things like SOGo I'd assume? |
| 14:37.45 | nid0 | if you just want google calendar sync, erminig's prolly the easiest option |
| 14:38.03 | villager | LarsN: yeah, the frontend gives you a nice gui and a helpful wizard for setting up syncml and caldav stuff |
| 14:38.29 | villager | LarsN: there's a google calendar template the wizard allows you to use, yes |
| 14:38.43 | LarsN | awesome. |
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| 14:39.10 | LarsN | I'll let you know if I run into any strange problems once I get things updated enough to install. |
| 14:42.49 | edheldil | villager: what is the best option to use iCal files available over https and webdav? |
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| 14:43.46 | villager | nid0: I think he wanted other caldav servers as well (SOGo)... can erminig handle those, or just google? |
| 14:44.57 | nid0 | it's just google unfortunately |
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| 14:48.28 | edheldil | any chance for just iCal files? I use them with Thunderbird ... |
| 14:48.36 | villager | edheldil: on n900, I guess the syncevolution (version 1.1.99.x) is the only option I know of for webdav |
| 14:48.57 | edheldil | thank you |
| 14:50.15 | villager | edheldil: for just ical over https, I don't know of any way to do it |
| 14:51.18 | villager | (well, the syncevolution command-line interface has a way of importing an ical, I think, but it's not the most elegant way...) |
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| 14:52.20 | edheldil | villager: it's webdav over https sorry. So no problem |
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| 16:26.28 | LarsN | nothing quite like sym linking /var/cache/apt/archives to /media/mmc1/archives so you can dist-upgrade |
| 16:26.54 | LarsN | lots of left over cruft from previous installs. I suppose I should have done the two step re-flash. |
| 16:29.24 | javispedro | dist-upgrade to what? |
| 16:29.31 | javispedro | you should not dist-upgrade maemo |
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| 16:34.01 | casketizer | prolly not the best chan to ask this....but here goes |
| 16:34.05 | casketizer | anyone got an opinion whats better....geforce 555m or ati hd 6550 ? |
| 16:34.18 | casketizer | tryin to decide on new lapdog |
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| 16:45.41 | psycho_oreos | why don't you try asking that in ##hardware channel? |
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| 17:02.24 | Primes | hi i have a problem with apps / repository on maemo |
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| 17:04.48 | fusi | haha |
| 17:04.58 | fusi | n8 or e7 is what nokia care will replace my n900 with |
| 17:05.04 | fusi | if i send it in for repair |
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| 17:05.44 | fusi | f... that. |
| 17:06.11 | casketizer | usb ? |
| 17:06.17 | fusi | yep |
| 17:06.26 | casketizer | ;( |
| 17:06.28 | Sicelo | someone, lupine_85, was able to get them to give him an N900 :) |
| 17:06.34 | NIN101 | some people here demanded an N900, and got one finally. Other take the N8 or E7 and sell it and rebuy an N900. |
| 17:06.57 | casketizer | yea id take e7 buy 2 n900 |
| 17:06.57 | fusi | well i sure as shit aint gona be fobbed off with sdome lesser device |
| 17:07.00 | lupine_85 | fusi, they will replace it with an N900 |
| 17:07.08 | lupine_85 | you just have to insist |
| 17:07.17 | fusi | thanks, will do |
| 17:07.17 | lupine_85 | and potentially threaten small claims |
| 17:07.19 | Primes | demand it. or sell the n8 get n900 |
| 17:07.25 | lupine_85 | don't do that |
| 17:07.30 | fusi | i will demand |
| 17:07.36 | casketizer | u can get 400-500eu for new e7 |
| 17:07.44 | fusi | want a working n900 |
| 17:07.46 | lupine_85 | if you accept->sell->buy, you could well end up with one lacking any warranty at all |
| 17:07.48 | casketizer | buys u 2- refurbished n900 |
| 17:07.49 | fusi | not a sdecond hand one either |
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| 17:07.53 | casketizer | 2+ |
| 17:08.05 | lupine_85 | so when it breaks later, you're left with no remedy |
| 17:08.08 | NIN101 | E7 on amazon.de : 360 , don't think so casketizer. |
| 17:08.24 | fusi | calling them again now |
| 17:08.37 | lupine_85 | fusi, are you in the EU? |
| 17:08.42 | fusi | uk |
| 17:08.46 | lupine_85 | good stuff |
| 17:08.53 | lupine_85 | you're covered by a 2-year european limited warranty |
| 17:08.54 | casketizer | i sold one for 427 on egay 2-3weeks ago |
| 17:09.01 | fusi | pretty sure we've got laws for this sort of stuff yea |
| 17:09.07 | lupine_85 | it stipulates a repair or replacement within a reasonable timeframe |
| 17:09.13 | lupine_85 | *on top* of your SoGA rights |
| 17:09.22 | lupine_85 | important is that it's just "replacement" |
| 17:09.33 | Primes | i was installing apps with fast app mgr. out of disk hung it. now ndg is half installed. app man cant remove it. fapman wants to update it but then hangs. aptget remove or purge can't lose it either. ideas? |
| 17:09.35 | fusi | mmm |
| 17:09.43 | casketizer | they can give u an equivalent if they are out of n900, no law will help u there |
| 17:09.46 | lupine_85 | http://europe.nokia.com/support/repair-and-recycle/european-limited-warranty |
| 17:09.53 | fusi | e7 is not an equivalent |
| 17:09.56 | casketizer | and for them e7>n900 |
| 17:09.57 | lupine_85 | casketizer, as long as it's actually an equivalent, that's fine |
| 17:10.03 | Primes | if they cant replace it try ask for cheque |
| 17:10.15 | lupine_85 | to be an equivalent, it would need to be running maemo, and have a hardware keyboard |
| 17:10.23 | casketizer | dream on |
| 17:10.30 | lupine_85 | casketizer, I did this earlier this month |
| 17:10.38 | lupine_85 | I have a new N900 from nokia care as a result |
| 17:10.48 | casketizer | eu laws are not that good when it comes hard on hard |
| 17:10.51 | Primes | ask them for equivalent n950 lol |
| 17:10.53 | lupine_85 | this is a warranty |
| 17:11.01 | fusi | where r u lupine_85 ? france |
| 17:11.02 | fusi | ? |
| 17:11.03 | lupine_85 | UK |
| 17:11.06 | fusi | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:11.20 | fusi | folloiwng ur lead |
| 17:11.25 | lupine_85 | casketizer, would you accept a washing machine as a replacement for a washer-dryer? |
| 17:11.28 | fusi | 2secs nokia on phone |
| 17:11.34 | lupine_85 | just on the grounds that it's a newer model? |
| 17:11.50 | lupine_85 | if it's missing advertised features, it is not a replacement |
| 17:11.57 | casketizer | well if u get nokia to give u an n900 fine, but dont assume u can win in any eu court if they say they have none and offer u an e7 |
| 17:11.59 | fusi | what if id bought thousands of poundsworth of software for the n900 ;p |
| 17:12.04 | fusi | where weould i be then eh |
| 17:12.08 | lupine_85 | casketizer, of course you could win in court |
| 17:12.14 | casketizer | dream on |
| 17:12.21 | lupine_85 | it's very clear-cut, merely on the terms of the warranty they've agreed |
| 17:12.32 | lupine_85 | casketizer, so would you accept a washing machine as a replacement for a washer-dryer? |
| 17:12.36 | casketizer | read the fine print |
| 17:12.39 | lupine_85 | I did |
| 17:12.42 | lupine_85 | I read the whole thing carefully |
| 17:12.53 | casketizer | there are avaiabilityx excuses in the warranty |
| 17:12.54 | lupine_85 | nowhere is "replacement" made into "replacement at nokia's discretion" |
| 17:13.04 | lupine_85 | read it yourself |
| 17:13.09 | casketizer | i did |
| 17:13.15 | lupine_85 | so refer to me a paragraph |
| 17:13.25 | lupine_85 | because we obviously have differeing views on what it says |
| 17:13.49 | lupine_85 | fusi, my case ended up being referred to their escalations, who referred it to their manager, who got an N900 |
| 17:14.10 | casketizer | i dont have it handy and im too lazy to look it up... |
| 17:14.22 | lupine_85 | and as the Nokia guy in escalations said, casketizer, "you're entirely in the right, I won't try to argue" |
| 17:14.31 | lupine_85 | casketizer, I linked to it a couple of minutes ago |
| 17:14.44 | casketizer | but i have seem them actually win such cases. i used to work in customer protection |
| 17:14.53 | lupine_85 | casketizer, so link me to the relevant case law |
| 17:15.00 | casketizer | lupine i read it in german |
| 17:15.05 | lupine_85 | I can translate |
| 17:15.06 | lupine_85 | link me |
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| 17:15.22 | lupine_85 | they have a simple legal obligation to provide a replacement, and it's easy - trivial - to demonstrate that an E7 is not a replacement for an E7 |
| 17:15.23 | casketizer | im not gonna send u /dev/bull. believe what u must.... |
| 17:15.26 | lupine_85 | erm, N900 |
| 17:15.35 | casketizer | ./dev/null |
| 17:15.37 | casketizer | lol |
| 17:15.41 | lupine_85 | casketizer, you seem to be avoiding the washer / washer-dryer analogy |
| 17:15.51 | lupine_85 | maybe you could expand on whether you'd accept the washing machine or not |
| 17:15.56 | psycho_oreos | lupine_85, are you also available on the tmo forum?ãthere's a bloke on the forum whom lives in UK and I don't know if he has any chance of getting his N900 back or a replacement N900: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75899 |
| 17:15.57 | casketizer | im avoiding the whole argument |
| 17:16.01 | Primes | you were in a close protection team? or as in mafia protection racket |
| 17:16.32 | psycho_oreos | and at this point in time casketizer is doing nothing more than spreading FUD |
| 17:16.42 | lupine_85 | psycho_oreos, I do |
| 17:16.50 | lupine_85 | I shall respond |
| 17:17.18 | Primes | i would accept a new fitted kitchen |
| 17:17.34 | psycho_oreos | lupine_85, just giving you a heads upã:)ãI don't live in the UKãso I don't know what laws do apply over there :) |
| 17:17.51 | casketizer | there have been long discussions on tmo on this subject. read there. im not gonna start it over here |
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| 17:18.08 | Primes | any idea how to fix my fapman hanging problem? |
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| 17:18.39 | psycho_oreos | recall and undo what you did last? |
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| 17:19.25 | Primes | last i used fapman to install apps but ran out of disk space. |
| 17:20.00 | Primes | appman cant remove it. fapman wants to update it but cant |
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| 17:20.31 | Primes | i made plenty space by uninstall some games |
| 17:20.35 | psycho_oreos | hmm I think I've ran into a similar issue but I didn't have fapman hanging, it just fails to work or something. |
| 17:21.07 | Primes | i was asked to do a dpkg --configure -a |
| 17:21.17 | psycho_oreos | HAM can't remove what? |
| 17:21.22 | Primes | that made appman happy |
| 17:21.30 | psycho_oreos | yeah and did you do that? |
| 17:21.47 | Primes | ndg is the troublesome app |
| 17:21.56 | psycho_oreos | ndg? |
| 17:22.17 | Primes | some nokia data entry thing |
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| 17:23.23 | Primes | like use your nokia for data entry form filling. i guess like surveys in the street |
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| 17:25.54 | psycho_oreos | hmm ok and so you've removed some games, have you checked to see how much free space you have left in both rootfs and /home/opt? |
| 17:27.57 | Primes | yes plenty |
| 17:28.15 | psycho_oreos | how much exactly is plenty? |
| 17:28.26 | DocScrutinizer | casketizer: if you're too lazy to prove your point, then please STFU |
| 17:28.27 | Primes | nrg is about 10 mb. i cleared over 150 |
| 17:29.15 | Primes | ndg is listed in appmgr but refuse to uninstall |
| 17:29.33 | psycho_oreos | so you tried to manually uninstall? |
| 17:30.24 | Primes | in fapman it is not shown as install or uninstall. but when i update any app it adds the nrg update and hangs trying |
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| 17:30.59 | psycho_oreos | I meant manually uninstalling by using command line tools like apt-get, dpkg, etc |
| 17:31.09 | Primes | aptget remove or purge cant either |
| 17:31.29 | Primes | how to remove using dpkg? |
| 17:31.32 | psycho_oreos | and its reasons? use pastebin if its more than 3 lines |
| 17:33.40 | Primes | aptget says: the pacage ndg needs to be reinstalled but i cant find an archive for it |
| 17:34.23 | Primes | fapman may have more repos configured |
| 17:34.35 | psycho_oreos | so try reinstalling it (no need to find the archive for it)ãand then uninstall it |
| 17:34.59 | Primes | so i try apt get install ndg |
| 17:35.42 | Primes | gives identical to previous msg |
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| 17:40.02 | lupine_85 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1073196&posted=1#post1073196 :) |
| 17:40.19 | psycho_oreos | enable extras-devel in HAM, reload, and then install ndg from there |
| 17:40.28 | lupine_85 | a guy I work with has also sent his N900 in for repair |
| 17:40.49 | lupine_85 | so it'll be interesting to see if they try to fob him off or not |
| 17:41.23 | psycho_oreos | whoa, long post :) |
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| 17:41.29 | lupine_85 | fusi, do let us know how you get on |
| 17:41.35 | lupine_85 | once therew |
| 17:41.51 | lupine_85 | once there* are two validated successes, someone should update wikipedia to reflect it |
| 17:42.15 | lupine_85 | is somewhat verbose at times, it must be said |
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| 17:43.37 | psycho_oreos | better to be verbose (and long winded) than to be as quiet as possible and leave people wondering ;) |
| 17:43.47 | lupine_85 | :p |
| 17:44.13 | luke-jr | AES is broken: http://packetstormsecurity.org/news/view/19719/AES-Crypto-Compromised-By-Groundbreaking-Attack.html |
| 17:44.49 | lupine_85 | anyway, I am very happy with my new N900 |
| 17:45.03 | lupine_85 | it's just a shame nokia aren't continuing on this path with this kind of hardware+software combination |
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| 17:45.15 | luke-jr | new? |
| 17:45.18 | luke-jr | how can N900 be new? :P |
| 17:45.25 | lupine_85 | not preowned == new |
| 17:45.28 | luke-jr | lupine_85: someone will pick it up again someday |
| 17:45.34 | lupine_85 | even if it was constructed a year ago |
| 17:45.35 | luke-jr | ⦠in 5 years :| |
| 17:45.44 | lupine_85 | this'll probably end up in my car, and I'll end up using a tablet + bluetooth headset |
| 17:45.48 | lupine_85 | or something |
| 17:45.55 | lupine_85 | I hardly ever make calls anyway |
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| 17:50.53 | psycho_oreos | lol instead of 1 trillion years to break a strong AES cryptography, it'll now take what 20 billion years instead?ã;) |
| 17:51.08 | psycho_oreos | err s/20/200/ |
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| 17:54.00 | Primes | if there is some flaw we will exploit it |
| 17:54.47 | Primes | we seived some big rsa crypto |
| 17:55.41 | Primes | help me kill a process please. i see the pid in top or htop |
| 17:56.08 | psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer, fyi you'll enjoy this :D http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1072359 |
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| 17:56.45 | psycho_oreos | there's a button called `k' you hit it and depending on which you use you get asked to either input or select which signal |
| 17:56.57 | fusi | Primes: kill [pid] |
| 17:57.00 | fusi | iirc? |
| 17:57.10 | fusi | or killall name |
| 17:58.15 | psycho_oreos | actually correction, top doesn't do that, it seems like its broken under maemo, but htop still functions normally |
| 17:58.24 | psycho_oreos | fusi, there's also pkill |
| 17:58.38 | Primes | i know k key in top in opensuse but seems not working here |
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| 17:58.59 | fusi | type it in a copnsole window |
| 17:59.12 | psycho_oreos | I've noted that, use htop instead |
| 18:01.06 | angelox|laptop | says wow!,cause he needs put a small paper in back of the his n900 battery to the device don't turn off! |
| 18:01.36 | psycho_oreos | that didn't make sense |
| 18:02.40 | psycho_oreos | maybe you meant to say that you placed a small piece of paper in the back of your N900 near the battery compartment to prevent the device from turning off? |
| 18:02.58 | angelox|laptop | yes! |
| 18:03.05 | angelox|laptop | bad english,very sorry! :( |
| 18:04.05 | Primes | ok killed the fapman thanks |
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| 18:04.57 | psycho_oreos | it sounds like you've been taking your battery out too many times, hence the battery has a loose fitting on the N900. Its probably similar to my case with my old N95-1 |
| 18:05.48 | SpeedEvil | angelox|laptop: Take a flat-bladed tiny screwdriver. Gently press both sides of the battery contact in a little |
| 18:05.54 | SpeedEvil | On the battery |
| 18:06.36 | psycho_oreos | hmm I otoh should also try doing that with the battery on my N95-1 lol |
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| 18:10.38 | angelox|laptop | SpeedEvil: Ok! |
| 18:11.20 | angelox|laptop | A Swiss Army Knife helps too? |
| 18:12.28 | psycho_oreos | that'd might be an overkill, you only needed a tiny flat head screwdriver anyway |
| 18:12.39 | angelox|laptop | press in this way? --> <--- ? |
| 18:13.42 | angelox|laptop | that's kind of hard to do :) |
| 18:15.47 | SpeedEvil | angelox|laptop: yes - like that |
| 18:15.54 | SpeedEvil | It doesn't take much force |
| 18:15.58 | SpeedEvil | it's tiny thin metal. |
| 18:19.01 | angelox|laptop | let me try boot |
| 18:19.41 | lupine_85 | fusi, success ? |
| 18:20.21 | angelox|laptop | SpeedEvil: Worked,thanks,i did use a needle! :-) |
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| 18:20.40 | SpeedEvil | angelox|laptop: :) |
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| 18:21.05 | angelox|laptop | I hope i don't need remove the battery again :-) |
| 18:23.33 | DocScrutinizer | angelox|laptop: pinpoint knife is just fine |
| 18:24.16 | DocScrutinizer | aah needle, also OK |
| 18:25.08 | DocScrutinizer | those spring grips aren't really sturdy |
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| 18:27.44 | angelox|laptop | yes,them are hard to move |
| 18:27.59 | angelox|laptop | so i guess all that battery problem i had was due that battery issue |
| 18:28.14 | DocScrutinizer | quite possible |
| 18:28.47 | DocScrutinizer | a poor battery contact can cause literally all sorts of weird behaviour |
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| 18:30.25 | DocScrutinizer | and those contacts HAVE to be really low parasitary resistance, as battery is supposed to deliver heavy spikes of current for GSM TX, like several Ampere |
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| 18:32.38 | lupine_85 | is going to scan and upload the letter he got back from nokia, in case it's useful for anyone else |
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| 18:32.56 | lupine_85 | "you did it last week, why not today?" is a surprisingly good argument |
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| 18:34.30 | marmoute | lupine_85: whar's this letter ? |
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| 18:42.03 | lupine_85 | marmoute, the one dated 15th august where nokia say "we've replaced your n900 with an n900" |
| 18:43.27 | lupine_85 | that'll probably be enough for someone (else - WP:OR applies) to update wikipedia |
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| 18:46.05 | DocScrutinizer | WPwhat? |
| 18:46.16 | SpeedEvil | Original Research. |
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| 18:46.29 | SpeedEvil | You're only supposed to put stuff you have sources for in wikipedia. |
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| 18:46.41 | DocScrutinizer | aah |
| 18:46.47 | DocScrutinizer | thnx |
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| 18:49.18 | SpeedEvil | Which can lead to terrible pages. |
| 18:49.20 | SpeedEvil | http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Paper_battery&oldid=374246517 |
| 18:49.42 | SpeedEvil | For example - is the synthesis of several nontechnical sources reporting and speculating on an item. |
| 18:49.55 | SpeedEvil | I sort of fixed that, it was too terrible. |
| 18:50.14 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
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| 18:54.39 | vi__ | chOWNAGE |
| 18:55.07 | vi__ | I am having severe difficulty installing cssu |
| 18:55.26 | vi__ | I install the installer |
| 18:55.37 | vi__ | but it doesnt show up in the menu! |
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| 18:56.34 | lupine_85 | http://lupine.me.uk/img/nokia-n900-replacement.png |
| 18:58.13 | nid0 | did you have much of a fight to get that? |
| 18:59.08 | lupine_85 | not really |
| 18:59.38 | vi__ | should I add the cssu repo manualy? |
| 18:59.40 | lupine_85 | two conversations with the people at the service centre, one with the main care point call centre, then two with escalations |
| 19:00.33 | lupine_85 | simple, polite refusal to accept less than they were legally obliged to give at all states was sufficient |
| 19:00.57 | lupine_85 | I didn't even have to issue a letter before action, as I told them I was perfectly willing to do (and I was) |
| 19:01.10 | vi__ | what would you have done if they said 'we have nae 'n900s left son, how aout a refund?' |
| 19:01.19 | lupine_85 | I'd have taken the £500 |
| 19:01.27 | vi__ | oooh yeah |
| 19:01.31 | lupine_85 | that's perfectly fine, and within their rights |
| 19:01.33 | javispedro | they would never give you a refound |
| 19:01.37 | lupine_85 | that's what they said |
| 19:01.38 | javispedro | *refund |
| 19:01.46 | vi__ | buy a NEW N900 on ebay for that AND get a shit load of change |
| 19:01.50 | lupine_85 | I said "it's a replacement, repair or refund". they said "we don't do refunds" |
| 19:01.57 | lupine_85 | I said: "Have you heard of statutory rights?" |
| 19:02.04 | lupine_85 | company policy is not always legal. it's worth remembering |
| 19:02.07 | nid0 | they would in response to a letter from a solicitor |
| 19:02.08 | javispedro | at most they would have told you, "we are out of n900s. wanna wait or want the n8?" |
| 19:02.13 | vi__ | you said 'have you heard of n950?' |
| 19:02.42 | lupine_85 | javispedro, no, what they said was "you're in the right, we'll do our best to get you an n900 within a commerically reasonable timescale, which expires in 1 week" |
| 19:03.20 | javispedro | after which we force the n8 down your throath. |
| 19:03.36 | lupine_85 | no. if they'd not been able to get an N900 within that timescale, they would probably have refunded rather than try to defend their position in court |
| 19:03.43 | lupine_85 | not least because their position is indefensible |
| 19:04.00 | nid0 | well at that point i'd have hand delivered a letter from my solicitor and small claims summons to them, thetford's not far from here |
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| 19:04.22 | lupine_85 | nid0, letter before action is always polite |
| 19:04.32 | lupine_85 | followed by a summons a week later |
| 19:04.38 | lupine_85 | and it gets results |
| 19:04.51 | javispedro | lupine_85: they do not have to refund |
| 19:05.09 | lupine_85 | javispedro, if they're in breach of contract and it goes to the courts, it's up to the courts to decide what the appropriate remedy is |
| 19:05.28 | javispedro | which probably is to pay you $5 in damages |
| 19:05.36 | lupine_85 | not even close :) |
| 19:05.59 | lupine_85 | at the point where you reject the E7, nokia has already admitted a liability of £500 |
| 19:06.10 | javispedro | plus, if you go to the courts you start that show of "it was not a defect" |
| 19:06.25 | nid0 | theyve already admitted defect liability |
| 19:06.27 | lupine_85 | no, Nokia have already conceeded that it is a defect at the point where they offer an N8 |
| 19:06.29 | nid0 | by offering the replacement |
| 19:06.47 | lupine_85 | why are you so eager to deny nokia's legal obligations? |
| 19:06.59 | lupine_85 | Nokia themselves have told me that I am right and they were wrong |
| 19:07.07 | lupine_85 | and they sent me an N900 as a direct consequence |
| 19:07.27 | javispedro | notes: as I said. |
| 19:08.21 | lupine_85 | also, the speed with which they were able to acquire an N900 - and the pristine condition it's in - suggests to me that they're not actually out of stock at all, they just have an internal policy of trying to get people off them |
| 19:08.41 | lupine_85 | not that I can substantiate it beyond that, of course |
| 19:08.56 | nox- | or they bought back stock from shops? |
| 19:09.00 | nid0 | I had heard not long ago that nokia were buying back unsold stock from retailers to try to fulfill warranties |
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| 19:09.16 | nox- | :) |
| 19:09.18 | lupine_85 | that'd be a bit odd for them to do unless they can buy it back at less than the retail price |
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| 19:09.32 | lupine_85 | obviously, their future warranty obligations are reduced by doing it |
| 19:09.40 | vi___ | I put my old n900 into the repair shop today |
| 19:09.46 | lupine_85 | since if they'd given me £500, I would have bought a new N900 with a new 2 year warranty |
| 19:09.57 | ruskie | knocks on wood... his n900 is still working rock solid |
| 19:10.07 | nid0 | if the retailers arent expecting to shift them, buyback price probably wasnt much/any more than their original trade cost |
| 19:10.16 | DocScrutinizer | look it's so simple: Nokia produced X units N900, they sold 90% and kept 10% for the anticipated RMA. It turned out they were wrong as RMA is maybe 30%, so now Nokia is short on N900. They send a paper to all help desks with instructions to try and replace N900 by sth they are *not* short on, to keep the remaining devices for the customers that are _not_ happy about getting some _real_ phone in swap for that crappy N900 |
| 19:10.32 | vi___ | I was trying to explain there is a hardware problem, GPIO113 is spazzing out. THe only way to stop it is to change the permissions on the device file in /sys |
| 19:10.40 | lupine_85 | DocScrutinizer, so pushing back is the solution |
| 19:11.06 | lupine_85 | ...if true |
| 19:11.10 | vi___ | and the dude was like '...so uh the lock doesnt work?' |
| 19:11.11 | lupine_85 | 30% seems pretty high! |
| 19:11.27 | nid0 | those are obv made-up figures |
| 19:11.30 | vi___ | it is so frustrating trying to tell tech support what the problem is without looking like a total ass hat |
| 19:11.34 | nid0 | it could as easily be 0.5% and 2% |
| 19:11.50 | lupine_85 | nid0, well, in my local circle of N900 owners (sample size: 4) it is 50% |
| 19:11.54 | ruskie | vi___, I more or less gave up on explaining to service people what exactly the problem is |
| 19:11.59 | lupine_85 | but that's too small a sample to be useful |
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| 19:12.14 | nid0 | my device is 18 months old and still flawless |
| 19:12.24 | vi___ | well good for you sunshine |
| 19:12.24 | ruskie | nid0, same here |
| 19:12.27 | lupine_85 | this is where having a friend who works in the place is useful |
| 19:12.27 | nid0 | im the only person I actually know personally who owns one |
| 19:12.33 | nid0 | so its 0% failure for me :p |
| 19:12.39 | ruskie | it'll be 2 years december 4th |
| 19:12.40 | lupine_85 | nid0, our workplace is N900 central |
| 19:12.44 | DocScrutinizer | and if a lot of customers insist in N900 replacements, Nokia *might* be urged to manufacture another batch of brand new N900 |
| 19:12.51 | lupine_85 | 4 out of 12 stagg have N900s |
| 19:12.54 | vi___ | n900, not for noobz |
| 19:12.56 | lupine_85 | staff* |
| 19:12.59 | nid0 | oh that said, I know a couple of ex-symbian staff that had n900;s |
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| 19:13.06 | nid0 | dunno what happened to them tho |
| 19:13.17 | vi___ | lupine, what the f** you work as? |
| 19:13.19 | lupine_85 | (the remainder are a mix of iphone and android) |
| 19:13.27 | lupine_85 | vi___, I write code for an ISP |
| 19:13.37 | vi___ | aah, techies |
| 19:13.42 | lupine_85 | at the moment, we're basically writing another vmware: http://bigv.io/ |
| 19:13.44 | vi___ | aah, trekkies |
| 19:13.50 | lupine_85 | :p |
| 19:13.58 | lupine_85 | they're good phones |
| 19:14.00 | nid0 | gutted that there're so many n950's going to waste though :< |
| 19:14.04 | lupine_85 | well |
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| 19:14.09 | lupine_85 | the phone part is terrible |
| 19:14.12 | vi___ | nid0: yeah, no shit |
| 19:14.12 | lupine_85 | but who uses that? |
| 19:14.20 | lupine_85 | :p |
| 19:14.34 | vi___ | A whole bunch of naabz have turned up on TMO asking retarded questions |
| 19:14.51 | nid0 | I more meant the ones that are still kicking about doing nothing at nokia |
| 19:15.07 | vi___ | oh, ok |
| 19:15.21 | vi___ | what is hawaii and how the fck did he get one? |
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| 19:16.20 | vi___ | no disrespect to the guy, just wondering. |
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| 19:19.53 | vi___ | ffs |
| 19:19.59 | vi___ | #I am trying to install CSSU |
| 19:20.03 | vi___ | for n900 |
| 19:20.07 | vi___ | I add the repo |
| 19:20.14 | vi___ | I install community |
| 19:20.21 | vi___ | community-ssu-enabler |
| 19:20.25 | vi___ | it runs |
| 19:20.31 | vi___ | but it does not appear! |
| 19:21.54 | vi___ | can somone provide some guidance? |
| 19:22.09 | vi___ | it doesnt even create a .desktop file |
| 19:22.23 | vi___ | that I can look at to see what it is supposed to eecute |
| 19:22.28 | vi___ | ^execute |
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| 19:24.52 | vi___ | is anyone here familiar with the cssu installer? |
| 19:25.28 | vi___ | what is it's post-inst script supposed to do? |
| 19:27.11 | vi___ | anyone? |
| 19:28.10 | nid0 | no clue |
| 19:28.31 | DocScrutinizer | /join #maemo-ssu |
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| 19:32.50 | vi___ | -_- |
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| 19:39.08 | DocScrutinizer | mohammad is offline it seems. He'd probably one of the guys that could actually help |
| 19:41.04 | DocScrutinizer | vi___: cssu is known to bork on a number of non-standard system configs. Esp if you replaced some system stuff that in turn introduces dependency conflicts |
| 19:42.08 | DocScrutinizer | vi___: sorry I never really wrapped my head around how CSSU installer hackerish is cooked |
| 19:42.54 | DocScrutinizer | sth along the line apt-get can't edit repository list, and so can't HAM |
| 19:43.29 | DocScrutinizer | so you install and start a installer (the icon) which in turn edits repo list and then starts HAM again |
| 19:44.27 | DocScrutinizer | s/HAM/apt-get (maybe)/ |
| 19:44.54 | vi___ | yes that would appear to be the case |
| 19:45.07 | vi___ | however sweet f'all seems to exist in the cssu repos |
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| 22:02.20 | javispedro | I hereby propose we rename talk.maemo.org to "Everyone loves abill_uk" |
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| 22:17.02 | wmarone | ha, I think the Facebook sharing plugin is now dead |
| 22:17.19 | wmarone | hm |
| 22:17.20 | wmarone | maybe not |
| 22:18.15 | wmarone | nope, momentary glitchiness |
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| 22:58.04 | javispedro | wtf |
| 22:58.30 | javispedro | microsoft promised free phones for devs that switch to wp7 from the sinking webos ship |
| 22:59.19 | GeneralAntilles | lol |
| 22:59.32 | GeneralAntilles | Not gonna get a lot of real takers on that one, I think. |
| 22:59.41 | javispedro | I think I now understand the timing of the launchpad wp7 device |
| 23:02.22 | javispedro | so far there are two things I'm surprised |
| 23:02.41 | javispedro | that two or three previously commercial webos app vendors have really opensourced their apps |
| 23:02.53 | javispedro | and that there's a lot of wp7 fans around :S |
| 23:03.28 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, I don't get that |
| 23:03.34 | GeneralAntilles | Kinda seems like Tegra fans, though. |
| 23:03.38 | GeneralAntilles | Mostly bizarre, loud and irrelevant. |
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