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| 00:37.45 | DocScrutinizer | ~seen MohammadAG |
| 00:37.48 | infobot | mohammadag is currently on #maemo #meego, last said: 'SpeedEvil, good luck, hope you get one'. |
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| 01:41.36 | ultra420 | hello,guys,i fixed the problem with mscim didn't turn up by ctrl+space,it is because i changed the /etc/passwd,i change the bash of root,user 's from /etc/sh to /etc/bash4 (after i apt-get install bash4) |
| 01:42.19 | fusi | argh |
| 01:42.24 | fusi | been bashing my head against this for ages |
| 01:42.27 | fusi | and have only just notived |
| 01:42.34 | fusi | the clock in scratchbox is out by an hour |
| 01:42.42 | fusi | so all the timestamps are out |
| 01:42.43 | fusi | thus no auth |
| 01:42.45 | fusi | god dammit |
| 01:45.07 | SpeedEvil | Timezones are a source of endless entertainment. |
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| 01:50.35 | fusi | WOOHOO" |
| 01:50.38 | fusi | works :D |
| 01:50.40 | fusi | nearly |
| 01:50.42 | fusi | Segmentation fault (core dumped) "$@" |
| 01:50.43 | fusi | \o/ |
| 01:50.44 | fusi | o// |
| 01:50.46 | fusi | \\o |
| 01:50.53 | fusi | does the segfault dance |
| 01:53.06 | fusi | i hear lots of grinding |
| 01:53.11 | fusi | but i dont see much compiling |
| 01:53.13 | fusi | cmon |
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| 02:15.53 | dunelj | Anybody port Allegro game here? Port B.A.L.L.Z please. |
| 02:16.30 | dunelj | Please build an environment repackage the one from debian? |
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| 02:17.08 | dunelj | http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/ballz |
| 02:18.54 | FIQ|n900 | reminds me of bounce |
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| 02:26.53 | dunelj | FIQ|n900: this game require minimal control. if somebody use "shake" as bounce key option, it might have more fun. |
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| 02:29.27 | SpeedEvil | Bounce with more levels would be awesome. |
| 02:29.41 | SpeedEvil | Also - blocks needs highscore. |
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| 02:35.19 | FIQ|n900 | <SpeedEvil> Bounce with more levels would be awesome. |
| 02:35.25 | FIQ|n900 | you mean evolution? |
| 02:35.45 | FIQ|n900 | because that would indeed be awesome |
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| 02:40.30 | dunelj_ | bounce evolution? there are games similar, have you try irrlamb on PC?. |
| 02:40.50 | dunelj_ | FIQ|n900: port irrlamb please :D |
| 02:42.41 | dunelj_ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PemiIKVOsqQ |
| 02:43.26 | SpeedEvil | The ball game that was in PR1,0 anyway |
| 02:44.14 | dunelj_ | SpeedEvil: which game? ballz or irrlamb? |
| 02:44.50 | SpeedEvil | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6JfxdWg0HI |
| 02:45.17 | dunelj_ | SpeedEvil: we all knows that... |
| 02:46.43 | SpeedEvil | Hmm - I iddn't know Rovio did it too. |
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| 02:48.23 | dunelj_ | SpeedEvil: you know money can change everything in a company |
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| 03:27.42 | dunelj_ | hi, I run a python game - from pyweek, directly on N900. but it is slow :S any idea to speed it up? |
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| 03:31.31 | SpeedEvil | Find some manner to profile what's slow? |
| 03:32.54 | dunelj_ | SpeedEvil: It run at 20 FPS. For a platformer |
| 03:41.11 | fusi | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1063823#post1063823 |
| 03:41.12 | fusi | dances |
| 03:44.32 | antman8969 | what was wrong with oauth in the first place? |
| 03:44.37 | antman8969 | a library problem or a you problem |
| 03:46.10 | hiemanshu | PEBKAC :P |
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| 03:53.38 | fusi | im not the official maintainer of the package |
| 03:53.46 | fusi | i have chosen to fix it myself |
| 03:54.20 | fusi | the plugin was written before oauth came into effect |
| 03:54.32 | fusi | thus is was using basic auth only |
| 03:55.19 | SpeedEvil | Oh - neat. |
| 03:55.28 | SpeedEvil | Hmm. |
| 03:55.46 | fusi | mm? |
| 03:55.58 | fusi | scoobydoobydoo |
| 03:56.46 | SpeedEvil | neat - twitter |
| 03:57.08 | fusi | i just wrote a rather scathing post |
| 03:57.12 | fusi | i think i should delete it |
| 03:57.29 | fusi | but it is my true sentiment |
| 03:57.31 | fusi | hmmm.. |
| 03:58.26 | dunelj_ | n9 price leaked. http://www.amazon.de/Nokia-Smartphone-Display-Touchscreen-Megapixel/dp/B005FIY8NW/ref=sr_1_8?s=ce-de&ie=UTF8&qid=1312422360&sr=1-8 |
| 03:58.47 | fusi | meh |
| 03:58.58 | dunelj_ | EUR 20 cheaper than iPhone4 |
| 03:59.15 | antman8969 | what is the iphone4 in US dollars? |
| 03:59.29 | fusi | a bajillion dollars |
| 03:59.35 | fusi | and your left leg |
| 03:59.43 | antman8969 | suspicious... |
| 03:59.44 | fusi | and your soul |
| 03:59.50 | fusi | and any selfrespect |
| 04:00.12 | antman8969 | well where I WAS going was.... it really needs to be no more than 500 USD |
| 04:00.17 | fusi | heh |
| 04:00.17 | antman8969 | or buying it would not make sense for anyone |
| 04:00.34 | fusi | ive got an n900, i have no need for anything else |
| 04:00.42 | dunelj_ | antman8969: you can buy 2 N900 for $500 |
| 04:00.45 | dunelj_ | new |
| 04:00.51 | fusi | where from? |
| 04:01.08 | antman8969 | never saw that, but even if, the consumers that the n9 targets is not the n900 base |
| 04:01.09 | dunelj_ | hongkong |
| 04:01.22 | fusi | real n900's? ^^ |
| 04:02.03 | antman8969 | using the n950, the n900s hardware seems very dated |
| 04:02.14 | antman8969 | physically that is |
| 04:02.24 | fusi | does it have a hw keyb |
| 04:02.32 | antman8969 | the n950? |
| 04:02.38 | antman8969 | or the n900 from hong kong |
| 04:02.42 | fusi | n950 |
| 04:02.45 | antman8969 | yea |
| 04:02.48 | fusi | is that the meego one |
| 04:03.04 | antman8969 | well, it's being sold as meego, but it's still maemo6 |
| 04:03.07 | antman8969 | but yea |
| 04:03.18 | fusi | mmm |
| 04:03.25 | fusi | i might have a look at it :p |
| 04:03.54 | dunelj_ | i want N950 |
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| 04:04.18 | antman8969 | lol well, it's on better than the n9 imo |
| 04:04.26 | antman8969 | the onscreen keyboard is pretty good, I never use the keyboard |
| 04:09.45 | fusi | beddie byes for me |
| 04:09.48 | fusi | o/ nn |
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| 05:34.32 | godtrunks | hy i have install android gingerbread 2.3 |
| 05:34.47 | godtrunks | but my calls r not working |
| 05:34.56 | godtrunks | can u help me? |
| 05:36.13 | jcharpak | last I heard nitdroid still couldn't send or receive calls but the developers thought they were *this close* to getting it working |
| 05:36.41 | godtrunks | same problem with the camera |
| 05:36.45 | jcharpak | that was tweeted last week. No followup tho |
| 05:36.50 | godtrunks | not working |
| 05:37.15 | godtrunks | can help me with the camera? |
| 05:37.22 | jcharpak | it all goes back to hardware... |
| 05:37.22 | godtrunks | if the calls r not working? |
| 05:37.35 | godtrunks | what setting shoud i do? |
| 05:38.02 | godtrunks | or it's a bug from nitdroid? |
| 05:38.24 | jcharpak | I don't have personal experience with nitdroid...I just follow the tmo posts for interest |
| 05:38.59 | godtrunks | ok |
| 05:39.09 | jcharpak | sorry |
| 05:39.14 | godtrunks | how i get rid of all? |
| 05:40.42 | jcharpak | I'd search tmo for nitdroid,, find the thread with 4000 or so comments, read the first comment. It likely has uninstall directions or links to them |
| 05:41.47 | jcharpak | good luck |
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| 05:44.26 | godtrunks | thx mate |
| 05:45.02 | godtrunks | but with a fiasco image |
| 05:45.13 | godtrunks | a flash with a fiasco image |
| 05:45.18 | godtrunks | will solve the problems? |
| 05:51.50 | ruskie | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/08/03/google_claims_conspiracy_against_android/ <-- ""I have worked in the tech sector for over two decades. Microsoft and Apple have always been at each otherâs throats, so when they get into bed together you have to start wondering what's going on," Drummond ... |
| 05:52.03 | ruskie | ... said on Wednesday" |
| 05:55.56 | ruskie | "Instead of competing by building new features or devices, they are fighting through litigation." <-- sad but true |
| 05:57.43 | godtrunks | search about seabird |
| 05:57.55 | godtrunks | anothe phone project |
| 05:58.01 | godtrunks | another phone project |
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| 05:58.41 | godtrunks | ruskie |
| 05:59.08 | godtrunks | how i can get rid of android gingerbread from my n900>? |
| 05:59.46 | robbiethe1st | Uh... delete the image file and possibly remove multiboot> |
| 06:00.09 | godtrunks | that's all? |
| 06:00.11 | robbiethe1st | (and or partition, if it's stored there instead) |
| 06:00.12 | godtrunks | i have to do? |
| 06:00.38 | godtrunks | it's stor on my emmc card |
| 06:00.48 | godtrunks | it's stored on my emmc card |
| 06:00.54 | robbiethe1st | As a file, or a partition? |
| 06:00.54 | godtrunks | the immage |
| 06:00.58 | godtrunks | the image |
| 06:01.21 | robbiethe1st | File, or partition? |
| 06:01.39 | godtrunks | hm... |
| 06:01.45 | godtrunks | i think it's file |
| 06:02.02 | robbiethe1st | If you've got a several-GB file there, then probably |
| 06:02.38 | godtrunks | k... |
| 06:03.00 | robbiethe1st | And you can remove it by deleting it, and then removeMultiboot unless you need it. |
| 06:03.11 | godtrunks | meego will work fine on n900? |
| 06:03.21 | godtrunks | u try that? |
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| 07:48.46 | RST38h | Moo all |
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| 07:49.58 | RST38h | heya ab |
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| 08:00.07 | godtrunks | meego it's a goo operating system? |
| 08:00.12 | godtrunks | meego it's a good operating system? |
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| 08:12.02 | godtrunks | meego it's a good operating system? |
| 08:14.45 | kerio | godtrunks: sure, why not |
| 08:15.37 | godtrunks | :) |
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| 08:17.03 | godtrunks | i have a emmc 2gb.it's not a lite version of meego? |
| 08:17.24 | kerio | you have what? |
| 08:17.35 | godtrunks | or maybe i can install it on phone memory? |
| 08:17.59 | kerio | oh, a microsd |
| 08:18.22 | godtrunks | yes |
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| 08:18.27 | kerio | i think that most ports kinda require a microsd |
| 08:18.29 | godtrunks | so, u know something? |
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| 08:18.42 | Termana | If I say no will you go away or at least start using some proper english? |
| 08:18.42 | godtrunks | i have a micro sd |
| 08:18.44 | kerio | i know i don't know |
| 08:18.50 | godtrunks | but it's 2 gb |
| 08:19.21 | godtrunks | iy's not enough |
| 08:19.27 | godtrunks | it's not enough |
| 08:20.03 | kerio | buy a bigger one then |
| 08:20.06 | kerio | i doubt you'll spend more than 5 [currency] |
| 08:21.51 | godtrunks | the phone will be slower then... |
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| 08:47.12 | godtrunks | !help |
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| 09:02.41 | cehteh | godtrunks: biggier sd card doesnt make your phone slower |
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| 09:04.57 | godtrunks | same fight again cehteh?? |
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| 09:05.31 | cehteh | .. |
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| 09:07.59 | godtrunks | remember? |
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| 09:08.03 | godtrunks | :)) |
| 09:09.00 | ChuckB | has anyone tried Qt 4.8 on Fremantle? |
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| 09:09.52 | cehteh | well .. you are still wrong |
| 09:10.11 | cehteh | but its your phone do whatever you want |
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| 09:11.06 | ZogG | hey |
| 09:11.20 | godtrunks | cehteh |
| 09:11.25 | godtrunks | need your help |
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| 09:12.20 | ZogG | i tryed my best and wrote myself into n950 program, do not believe i'll be approved, but testing my luck =) |
| 09:14.23 | godtrunks | cehteh |
| 09:14.24 | godtrunks | need your help |
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| 09:14.37 | cehteh | so what? |
| 09:15.45 | godtrunks | i whant to remove nitdroid |
| 09:16.16 | cehteh | i never installed it |
| 09:16.37 | cehteh | see topic |
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| 09:18.56 | godtrunks | from where? |
| 09:18.59 | godtrunks | topic? |
| 09:19.18 | cehteh | type /topic |
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| 09:22.28 | godtrunks | not working cehteh |
| 09:23.57 | godtrunks | Insufficient arguments for command. |
| 09:24.46 | godtrunks | asd |
| 09:24.53 | godtrunks | not working.. |
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| 09:27.24 | godtrunks | can u help me cehteh? |
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| 09:35.42 | ruskie | godtrunks, he meant in your irc client |
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| 09:36.31 | godtrunks | Insufficient arguments for command. |
| 09:36.34 | godtrunks | have this error |
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| 09:38.27 | cehteh | [11:19] --- Topic for #maemo is Welcome to #maemo http://maemo.org/intro/ | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council | Source: http://wiki.maemo.org/Sources | Chanlog: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | PROBLEMS WITH NITDROID/MULTIBOOT? reflash rootfs&kernel aka COMBINED |
| 09:40.16 | godtrunks | thx |
| 09:40.28 | villager | in some irc clients it might be necessary to type "/topic #maemo" instead of just "/topic", I suppose |
| 09:41.36 | villager | I recall that in ircII it also works to type "/topic *" |
| 09:41.41 | cehteh | maybe that even tries to set the topic :) |
| 09:42.00 | cehteh | ah webchat |
| 09:42.09 | villager | only if you give more arguments to the commandopi |
| 09:42.18 | villager | -pi |
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| 09:43.35 | godtrunks | i use webchat |
| 09:43.41 | ceh | hey even the webchat has a topic lie |
| 09:43.43 | ceh | line |
| 09:43.55 | godtrunks | how |
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| 09:43.59 | godtrunks | i have this |
| 09:44.01 | godtrunks | Insufficient arguments for command. |
| 09:44.15 | ceh | above the text messages ^^ |
| 09:44.31 | ceh | it shows the topic on top on the browser window |
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| 09:45.27 | godtrunks | i dont have |
| 09:45.38 | godtrunks | i'm at work.. |
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| 09:47.15 | cehteh | m( |
| 09:47.32 | godtrunks | i knwo |
| 09:47.36 | godtrunks | it's bad.. |
| 09:47.50 | godtrunks | i know |
| 09:47.51 | godtrunks | it's bad.. |
| 09:48.01 | godtrunks | trainning time :))0 |
| 09:48.16 | cehteh | i'm out .. |
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| 09:49.39 | godtrunks | u finish work? |
| 09:50.10 | godtrunks | you r lucky :)) |
| 09:52.41 | godtrunks | did u read the topic about n900 camera? |
| 09:52.43 | godtrunks | cehteh |
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| 10:34.21 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 10:34.39 | psycho_oreos | morning |
| 10:35.09 | psycho_oreos | bleh, being reminded of UGT :) |
| 10:36.03 | psycho_oreos | some interesting question was thrown around in cssu the other day (actually awhile ago by now) did you happen to see that Jaffa? |
| 10:37.04 | Jaffa | psycho_oreos: I didn't, I've been on holiday. |
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| 10:37.32 | psycho_oreos | Jaffa: ahh well that somewhat explains it ;) should I post relevant subject in appropriate area or just here? |
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| 10:42.07 | DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: morning |
| 10:42.18 | Jaffa | psycho_oreos: Back in #maemo-ssu, I guess. Or a link to the log URL |
| 10:48.05 | xkr47 | cehteh, thx for the help yesterday, ordered an n900 :) |
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| 11:14.53 | psycho_oreos | robbiethe1st: ping |
| 11:14.57 | robbiethe1st | pong |
| 11:16.09 | psycho_oreos | I should probably post this on yer tmo thread in regards to backupmenu (new version but not version 2). Should add a functionality to only backup /opt not /opt && /home :) They both live on the same partition but different mount points |
| 11:16.47 | psycho_oreos | actually thinking about it, I guess its slightly irrelevant though, I guess its only for noob like me who just didn't realise that using a backup from one N900 to another N900 should take some precautions ;) |
| 11:17.48 | hiemanshu | gah, how can I install CSSU without having to backup? |
| 11:18.20 | psycho_oreos | initially I realised I needed to backup my /home after reflashing but after restoring a backup made by another N900 I thought /home was retained when in actual fact it wasn't. So I deleted the tarball I initially created and realised that was a big mistake. I managed to recover the tarball and restored my /home however :) |
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| 11:19.12 | psycho_oreos | download individual debs and manually install them? ;) |
| 11:20.17 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: see my question |
| 11:20.34 | hiemanshu | psycho_oreos: well I have a backup created from about 10 mins ago, it forces me to do it again |
| 11:20.40 | hiemanshu | and after I am done, nothing :/ |
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| 11:21.18 | MohammadAG | hiemanshu, you don't have to backup |
| 11:22.16 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: I let the enabler do its thing, I hit update all, and then gives me the 'agree to this', and then asks me to create a backup |
| 11:22.21 | psycho_oreos | well in fact osso-backup afaik restores the CSSU repository when you restore that newly created backup. So you still download the updates |
| 11:22.31 | psycho_oreos | unless if I read you wrong |
| 11:22.39 | MohammadAG | hiemanshu, or you can continue afaik |
| 11:22.52 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: nope, no continue option |
| 11:23.12 | hiemanshu | I think I screwed up the package manager |
| 11:23.14 | MohammadAG | what does HAM's log say? |
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| 11:24.44 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: where can I find the log? |
| 11:24.53 | MohammadAG | title menu |
| 11:24.55 | psycho_oreos | robbiethe1st: I'm sure the backupmenu doesn't need pk does it? |
| 11:25.22 | hiemanshu | gah, it crashed, lemme open it again |
| 11:25.30 | robbiethe1st | Oh, uh, it shouldn't. |
| 11:25.41 | robbiethe1st | Though the terminal mode does |
| 11:26.14 | psycho_oreos | ahh yeah that would be the reason why :) I even tried copying the pk's kernel objects in a futile attempt and that also failed lol |
| 11:26.35 | robbiethe1st | I'm not sure I added error-checking there, either, so it could crash if you try to run terminal mode and don't have the modules |
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| 11:26.49 | robbiethe1st | Well, why not use flasher to load PK? |
| 11:26.57 | robbiethe1st | so long as the modules are installed... |
| 11:26.57 | psycho_oreos | also.. using the same user && root passwd for ssh login via usb networking doesn't work. Using the same passwd as the ones when I regularly ssh into the device |
| 11:27.26 | robbiethe1st | You're going to have to post on the topic |
| 11:27.29 | psycho_oreos | I was restoring the device lol and I didn't have these stuff prepared so yeah |
| 11:27.34 | psycho_oreos | *nods* |
| 11:27.53 | robbiethe1st | One thing you can do as far as passwords go, is go find the chunk of code there that deals with password |
| 11:28.18 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: just the normal 'apt-worker: domain change: * (nokia-system -> unsigned)' |
| 11:28.22 | robbiethe1st | there's a "enter string" function. the second parameter is currently a 1, if you set it to a 0 instead, it'll show the password in plain text |
| 11:28.25 | robbiethe1st | as you type |
| 11:28.31 | psycho_oreos | it actually didn't crash for terminal mode, Ctrl+D exits the terminal mode with error screen but you can still use backupmenu. Otherwise with plain terminal mode it shows a blank screen with a rather nicely lit backlight |
| 11:28.50 | psycho_oreos | hmm |
| 11:28.53 | robbiethe1st | huh, interesting. that's nice |
| 11:29.13 | MohammadAG | hiemanshu, how comfortable are you with using terminal? |
| 11:29.36 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: I am 13 terminal windows open right now on my pc |
| 11:29.40 | hiemanshu | s/am/have/ |
| 11:29.40 | psycho_oreos | yeah I tried to hack yer script to make it dump the salted MD5 hashed /etc/passwd but that made backupmenu useless until I reverted changes lol |
| 11:29.56 | MohammadAG | hiemanshu, apt-get install mp-fremantle-community-pr |
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| 11:30.16 | robbiethe1st | Uh...lets see |
| 11:30.25 | robbiethe1st | open up /usr/share/backupmenu/BackupMenu.item |
| 11:30.25 | psycho_oreos | but yeah terminal mode works just nothing is shown on screen with standard maemo kernel, even if one desperately tries to copy pk47 kernel modules across |
| 11:31.06 | robbiethe1st | well, no. it wouldn't be able to load the modules.. |
| 11:31.12 | psycho_oreos | I'm guessing its menu_sshserv? |
| 11:31.20 | psycho_oreos | at least for the passwd part |
| 11:31.48 | psycho_oreos | yeah that's what I thought, but again it was rather a desperate and futile attempt that I was trying to cling on at the time lol |
| 11:31.54 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: gah, stupid apt-get wont download anything at all :( |
| 11:32.09 | robbiethe1st | Wait... there's three possible password entry bits: 1 being a lock on BM when you first start - you have to touch a certain file to enable this |
| 11:32.23 | psycho_oreos | apt-get through console is quite useful in console to show errors fyi :) |
| 11:32.25 | robbiethe1st | 2 being the on-device terminal, and three ssh/usbconsole terminal |
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| 11:32.29 | MohammadAG | hiemanshu, err? |
| 11:32.37 | psycho_oreos | hmm |
| 11:32.46 | MohammadAG | BTW, am I the only one not using the keyboard much on the N950? |
| 11:32.47 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: apt-get wont update, or download anything, rebooting, might be a network issue |
| 11:33.02 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: naah, I barely feel like opening up the keyboard :/ |
| 11:33.02 | robbiethe1st | psycho_oreos: Which one are you looking at? |
| 11:33.07 | psycho_oreos | that'll be interesting how you have to touch a file for the lock to be unlocked |
| 11:33.29 | robbiethe1st | Well, it's touch a file to enable locking, but... |
| 11:33.38 | psycho_oreos | robbiethe1st: well moreso the ssh and usbnetworking. I'm not going to fight over the terminal mode for now :) its rather useless with standard kernel, period |
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| 11:33.48 | robbiethe1st | Ok. |
| 11:34.02 | psycho_oreos | yeah, I thought that was unrelated, it was most likely I thought to do with locking BM rather than anything else |
| 11:34.07 | robbiethe1st | First thing you're going to want to try is running SSH with all the verbose options |
| 11:34.32 | psycho_oreos | that shouldn't be too hard, but to dump that over T2S would be pain for a complete newb for me :D |
| 11:34.39 | robbiethe1st | No |
| 11:34.42 | robbiethe1st | From your PC |
| 11:34.51 | psycho_oreos | ahh |
| 11:34.56 | robbiethe1st | Just put it in ssh mode, attempt to connect with verbose options |
| 11:35.14 | robbiethe1st | also, note that I'm more than a little tired right now, and may not be thinking/typing straight |
| 11:36.01 | psycho_oreos | *nods* thanks for help though :D good to know there's always support even though one may not be tmo (I'm stuck permanently onto N900's internet until quota is reset) |
| 11:36.14 | robbiethe1st | Ouch |
| 11:36.17 | robbiethe1st | Yea, NP |
| 11:36.18 | psycho_oreos | I thought its more related on the sshd side rather than ssh |
| 11:36.28 | robbiethe1st | Yea, it is. |
| 11:36.33 | psycho_oreos | hmm |
| 11:36.38 | hiemanshu | psycho_oreos: unlimited plans ftw \o/ |
| 11:36.55 | robbiethe1st | But it could be one of those little config files not quite right, or password, or... |
| 11:37.06 | psycho_oreos | hiemanshu: if only such *real* plans like that exist for wireless broadband over where I live :) |
| 11:37.20 | hiemanshu | psycho_oreos: where do you live? |
| 11:37.49 | robbiethe1st | Also, you may want to go download the powerkernel deb file, extract the zImage, and flash it to the kernel partition. that should fix your on-device terminal |
| 11:38.14 | psycho_oreos | I sort of doubt it would be incorrect password, I've typed the same passwd correct several times. I've even reconfirmed both user && root passwd just to try logging in through BM method but no dice |
| 11:38.23 | psycho_oreos | hiemanshu: Qld, .au :) |
| 11:38.39 | robbiethe1st | In that case, verbode mose |
| 11:38.39 | hiemanshu | psycho_oreos: and I thought India was bad :P |
| 11:38.52 | robbiethe1st | it'll probably say some weird error that needs to be googled |
| 11:39.44 | psycho_oreos | robbiethe1st: yeah I'm planning to do that but I'll need to play with command line web browser from maemo.. there's no nat table (which is just brilliant, forcing SSH only mode. My laptop doesn't have something like networkmanager but an outdated umtsmon which doesn't handle N900) |
| 11:40.23 | psycho_oreos | hiemanshu: I guess depends on where you live in India, but over here, its bad for technology aspect :) everything is backward orientated compared to nearby asian countries imo |
| 11:40.43 | robbiethe1st | And you can't download the networkmanager package and dependancies via N900? |
| 11:40.49 | psycho_oreos | robbiethe1st: I'll play with that tomorrow if I can, for now I guess I'll try and get pk to work |
| 11:40.55 | robbiethe1st | Ok |
| 11:41.01 | robbiethe1st | Post what you find in my topic, please |
| 11:41.20 | psycho_oreos | will do if I get iptables-nat.ko to work :) |
| 11:41.22 | hiemanshu | psycho_oreos: I am in bangalore, its called the silicon valley because of all the tech stuff around here |
| 11:41.32 | psycho_oreos | or I'll just be gung-ho and use wget/lynx/links ;) |
| 11:42.35 | psycho_oreos | hiemanshu: its funny I tell ya, in nearby asian countries, cities closer to the sea ports are well developed but otherwise there's no bullcrap about oligopoly for telecommunication/networking like what I have here |
| 11:43.06 | robbiethe1st | I have to say... wvdial. Great for using your N900 as a modem from Linux |
| 11:43.06 | psycho_oreos | dependencies and package for networkmanager over N900 will be a pain :| considering I'm on archlinux for lappy |
| 11:43.40 | robbiethe1st | wvdial may be a better choice then, but you'll have to google for a config file |
| 11:44.05 | psycho_oreos | heh wvdial = woeful for me. No username and password for my wireless broadband accounts, and wvdial just sets pppd to highest baud rate which forces its inability to connect to internet |
| 11:45.00 | robbiethe1st | I wish I had my working config handy |
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| 11:45.39 | hiemanshu | psycho_oreos: use mobile hotspot? |
| 11:45.45 | hiemanshu | works for me |
| 11:46.00 | psycho_oreos | I've tried that before with my wireless broadband USB dongle (which is with a different provider compared to this one) but wvdial is woeful. Its the same case with N900 so I'm not going to assume wvdial will work automagically :). I remember spending hours trying to get wvdial to work with blank username/password fields but it always sets pppd to highest baud rate which fails to work (inevitably) |
| 11:46.38 | psycho_oreos | hiemanshu: am seriously thinking of that but I'm very paranoid on security, mobile hotspot utilises WEP (for N900 as a program anyway) which is a big no for me personally |
| 11:46.51 | robbiethe1st | http://dartarrow.net/using-nokia-n900-as-a-modem/137 is what you need |
| 11:47.11 | robbiethe1st | change "diginet" to your APN, run it. |
| 11:47.15 | psycho_oreos | I'm sure there is a guide to tethering N900 to linux with N900 as being the modem/router. I have that page bookmarked on my dead desktop |
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| 11:47.57 | psycho_oreos | hmm, *looks for links/lynx/elinks* in maemo repos :D |
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| 11:50.22 | lew | Hi, my name is lew. I come from china. Anybody understand chinese? |
| 11:50.48 | psycho_oreos | grr lynx is there but I only have 3MB left in rootfs. I really need to somehow get this stupid apt lists stuff moved permanently to /opt area.. with extras-devel enabled it really eats up rootfs space :/ |
| 11:51.31 | psycho_oreos | I understand a little Chinese but how is this related to the channel? have you tried asking on the talk maemo forums? |
| 11:51.46 | lcuk | psycho_oreos, hm we moved the caches off rootfs I am sure |
| 11:52.27 | psycho_oreos | lcuk: nah not the cache, there's a bloke whom found /var/lib/dpkg could be optified but changes aren't permanent. |
| 11:52.43 | psycho_oreos | I've tried to improve his idea but I didn't get very far |
| 11:53.08 | fusi | hi lew, sorry i dont |
| 11:54.22 | psycho_oreos | in fact speaking of caches, I've hacked apt-get to download packages into /home/user/MyDocs/.apt-archive-cache which is the same directory as HAM uses when red pill is enabled and set to not delete installed packages |
| 11:54.56 | lcuk | psycho_oreos, hm /var/lib/apt and /vat/cahe/apt are optified by default |
| 11:55.00 | lew | I bought N900 last week. I have some Q & P with the app on maemo . Errr.... Maybe I should go #maemo talk . If it's true and right . I go there now , thanks. |
| 11:55.03 | lcuk | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:55.29 | psycho_oreos | lcuk: yeah but those aren't the directory I'm talking about though :) |
| 11:55.30 | lcuk | http://maemo.gitorious.org/maemo-af/maemo-optify-boottime/blobs/master/maemo-optify-auto-opt.conf#line25 |
| 11:55.32 | lcuk | i know |
| 11:55.50 | lcuk | but I am now wondering why the dpkg ones are not in there by default |
| 11:55.52 | psycho_oreos | lew: when I meant #maemo talk I meant talk.maemo.org :) |
| 11:56.16 | psycho_oreos | checks the link via wget |
| 11:58.07 | psycho_oreos | currently /var/lib/dpkg eats 14M on my rootfs (that's with a fair amounts of repos enabled including extras-devel but not extras-testing) |
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| 11:59.29 | psycho_oreos | the problem is that it can't be optified easily. I've tried making apt-get download and read from a new directory but it just doesn't do it properly. So my intermediate solution was an ugly hack to do binding mounts (with huge failures needless to say) |
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| 12:01.16 | lcuk | psycho_oreos, why can't it be optified easily? |
| 12:02.08 | psycho_oreos | lcuk: when one runs apt-get for instance, it recreates files like status and status-old in /var/lib/dpkg. That's one problem |
| 12:02.40 | psycho_oreos | the other is that the lock file is best not to be moved or even symlinked or that breaks apt-get. Though you can still have lock file sitting in the usual directory however |
| 12:02.44 | lcuk | psycho_oreos, so if the folder is optified wholesale then it won't run? |
| 12:03.02 | lcuk | just testing the hypothosis now |
| 12:03.18 | lew | OK, Thanks . I will go right now. |
| 12:03.44 | psycho_oreos | lcuk: if you just optified it without doing binding mounts it probably wouldn't work or it just recreates necessary stuff in the usual directory (hence rendering the initial optification of that directory useless) |
| 12:04.09 | lcuk | psycho_oreos, hm? |
| 12:04.20 | lcuk | the optify boottime stuff will just optify the whole folder |
| 12:04.35 | lcuk | the apps running and writing files in that folder should not know difference |
| 12:04.52 | psycho_oreos | meaning that it moves the targeted directory to /opt and be done? if that's the case it won't work :) |
| 12:05.50 | psycho_oreos | some of the files within /var/lib/dpkg gets updated when apt-get for instance is run, but I'm guessing dpkg itself also highly depends on that directory for various functions on its own such as pkg management for instance |
| 12:05.59 | psycho_oreos | should find that bookmarked thread |
| 12:06.04 | psycho_oreos | s/thread/blog/ |
| 12:06.21 | lcuk | psycho_oreos, sure it does, but I am not talking about individual files being optified |
| 12:06.35 | lcuk | if the whole folder /var/lib/dpkg is optified |
| 12:07.09 | lcuk | psycho_oreos, seems to be working here |
| 12:07.12 | lcuk | ymmv |
| 12:08.28 | psycho_oreos | lcuk: o.O I'm sure if you ran apt-get or dpkg after its optified without binding mounts it won't work :) not in my case. Even with fapman/HAM |
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| 12:09.18 | lcuk | psycho_oreos, I just apt-get update; apt-get install liqbook |
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| 12:09.58 | lcuk | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 17 Aug 4 13:02 /var/lib/dpkg -> /opt/var/lib/dpkg |
| 12:10.31 | psycho_oreos | gives that a go as well |
| 12:10.38 | lcuk | ymmv |
| 12:10.40 | lcuk | :) |
| 12:10.44 | lcuk | backup first |
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| 12:12.34 | psycho_oreos | indeed |
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| 12:16.22 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: is the optifying process documented somewhere? I mean the "user API" to /etc/maemo-optify-auto-opt.conf |
| 12:16.52 | nicofs | I want to write an app for maemo - it should be very simple... what would be the best program to create a gui...? are there any tools that facilitate this? |
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| 12:17.36 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: also, have you ever wrapped your head arounf optifying that friggin 20MB locale-cache file (or whatever it's called) |
| 12:18.01 | psycho_oreos | Qt, scratchbox? |
| 12:18.40 | DocScrutinizer | madde |
| 12:19.20 | psycho_oreos | that huge locales file is a huge db comprising of many languages installed on the device. Whenever I think of it I'm reminded of ruskie's hack to remove unneeded locales |
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| 12:19.58 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, afaik we did look at it, but it slowed down things |
| 12:20.07 | DocScrutinizer | errr |
| 12:20.14 | lcuk | but like most folders, I am sure it is possible |
| 12:21.46 | DocScrutinizer | why would it slow down things? afaik the monster speed difference between NAND and eMMC is an urban legend |
| 12:22.05 | DocScrutinizer | esp for read-only access |
| 12:22.11 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, what is the locale folder |
| 12:22.39 | psycho_oreos | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:22.46 | DocScrutinizer | exactly |
| 12:22.50 | psycho_oreos | that's one of the two directories iirc |
| 12:22.56 | DocScrutinizer | but that monster 20MB file is somewhere else |
| 12:23.09 | psycho_oreos | its actually there according to my setup |
| 12:23.19 | lcuk | /usr/lib/locale |
| 12:23.19 | lcuk | /usr/share/locale |
| 12:23.25 | lcuk | i have those 2 optified on my system |
| 12:23.39 | psycho_oreos | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 24M 2011-05-28 23:07 /usr/lib/locale/locale-archive |
| 12:23.41 | lcuk | tiagotiago asked about it some time in the past and I added them to my optify conf |
| 12:23.51 | DocScrutinizer | and it's a PITA anyway, with all that traditional chinese, and arabian, and hungary and whatnot stuff in it |
| 12:24.06 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, you might wake up one day in china |
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| 12:24.14 | DocScrutinizer | meh |
| 12:24.16 | DocScrutinizer | ;-P |
| 12:24.17 | lcuk | lol |
| 12:24.39 | DocScrutinizer | wuld be nice, did that 2 years ago you know |
| 12:24.44 | DocScrutinizer | would* |
| 12:25.09 | DocScrutinizer | still didn't need taiwan locale ;-D |
| 12:26.28 | psycho_oreos | I wonder if the language and region settings are open, if so, maybe one can code in a way that locales-archive is built to contain the locales that the user decides to use and have the rest stored elsewhere |
| 12:26.30 | psycho_oreos | heh well its similar to zhhk in terms of read/write (language-wise) |
| 12:26.30 | psycho_oreos | though I'm sure the arrangement of some things maybe different, like for example date string |
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| 12:30.40 | pavi | DocScrutinizer, Yesterday finally was able to get the meego harmattan sdk up and running |
| 12:30.52 | pavi | ran a sample qt program . :) |
| 12:31.30 | psycho_oreos | lcuk: lemme guess, those two locales directory were symlinked as is done in a similar fashion as was with /var/lib/dpkg? |
| 12:32.01 | lcuk | psycho_oreos, together with a group of folks from collabora and nokia we created maemo-optify-boottime package |
| 12:32.20 | lcuk | the conf file I highlighted earlier |
| 12:32.20 | lcuk | http://maemo.gitorious.org/maemo-af/maemo-optify-boottime/blobs/master/maemo-optify-auto-opt.conf#line25 |
| 12:32.25 | lcuk | was included into pr1.2 |
| 12:32.35 | psycho_oreos | hmm |
| 12:32.59 | lcuk | if you add a folder to that file (stored in /etc) then next reboot, the optify script will move the contents to /opt/... and create a symlink |
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| 12:33.17 | lcuk | we have done lots of testing but it is still possible to get into a muddle for complex mucking around |
| 12:33.36 | lcuk | (mainly relating to optifying some folders then reoptifying parents etc) |
| 12:33.48 | lcuk | but I just add folders to that config and reboot |
| 12:33.56 | lcuk | once it comes back they are optified :) |
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| 12:34.45 | psycho_oreos | hmm interesting, I guess I'll just add those two directories along with /var/lib/dpkg :) that way I'll have plenty more space in rootfs |
| 12:35.01 | lcuk | as I say, backup before tweaking |
| 12:35.03 | lcuk | :) |
| 12:35.10 | lcuk | best advice I can give you |
| 12:35.22 | lcuk | i have those folders in my conf |
| 12:35.45 | lcuk | # my stuff |
| 12:35.45 | lcuk | /usr/share/liqbase |
| 12:35.45 | lcuk | # test for tiagotiago |
| 12:35.45 | lcuk | /usr/lib/locale |
| 12:35.45 | lcuk | /usr/share/locale |
| 12:35.46 | lcuk | # test for psycho_oreos |
| 12:35.48 | lcuk | /var/lib/dpkg |
| 12:35.54 | psycho_oreos | well it seems like you haven't had issues with those locales that you added previously so I'm going to say that's a safe bet |
| 12:36.14 | lcuk | don't bet on anything, with computers: backup first |
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| 12:37.46 | psycho_oreos | well I do have a fairly recent backup ;) guess that'll do. :D |
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| 12:49.26 | fusi | htf do i get rid of this bloody huge statusbar is esbox/eclipse |
| 12:49.54 | fusi | taking uo like 1/4 of my screen damnit |
| 12:50.00 | fusi | no right click menu |
| 12:50.13 | fusi | and i cant find anything in the main menu or options >:( |
| 12:50.22 | fusi | all i can do it drag it around from dock to dock |
| 12:50.22 | fusi | grr |
| 12:52.21 | fusi | nvm |
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| 13:02.32 | psycho_oreos | lcuk: once I get back onto my other connection, or get this iptables-nat to work or whichever other way I could. I'll get back to you on the credits in regards to that /var/lib/dpkg heads up :) |
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| 13:04.58 | lcuk | \o |
| 13:06.32 | psycho_oreos | the more we can optify the better :D in fact just having the whole friggin maemo rootfs sitting on the optfs and using ex-rootfs as swap would probably be ideal ;) |
| 13:07.14 | ShadowJK | need never kernel or backport stuff to maemo5 kernel to run swap on root device |
| 13:08.15 | psycho_oreos | I mean using it in a way to free up swap being used on NAND :) |
| 13:08.28 | psycho_oreos | but that's just one of my wacky theories anyway |
| 13:09.05 | ShadowJK | There's no swap on nand |
| 13:09.31 | Atarii | anyone here used msf on n900? |
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| 13:09.54 | ShadowJK | meego security framework? |
| 13:11.45 | psycho_oreos | or that toshiba 32GB eMMC :) |
| 13:11.53 | psycho_oreos | s/or/rather/ |
| 13:13.05 | ShadowJK | the maemo5 kernel is unable to use nand for swap :P |
| 13:13.19 | Atarii | metasploit |
| 13:14.16 | psycho_oreos | well for now its not usable but again I wasn't serious on persuing my wacky idea :p just annoyed at the rather puny 256MB rootfs |
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| 13:57.14 | fusi | grumble |
| 13:57.27 | fusi | can i package up a .deb without gpg signing it |
| 13:57.34 | fusi | nfi bout gpg |
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| 13:59.22 | DocScrutinizer | psycho_oreos should read about ~optification |
| 13:59.48 | ZogG | wazd hey pal |
| 13:59.57 | ZogG | wazd, kak dela? =) |
| 14:00.09 | ZogG | MohammadAG yoyoy |
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| 14:03.27 | pavi | a silly question ,on freemantle firefox how do we right click ? |
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| 14:03.59 | ZogG | pavi long tap? |
| 14:04.12 | pavi | ohh didnt know that |
| 14:05.10 | ZogG | does it work? |
| 14:05.21 | ZogG | it mostly works in any application i think |
| 14:05.37 | fusi | yes long press |
| 14:05.45 | ZogG | anyway i used it to bring context menu |
| 14:05.50 | ZogG | when i had my n900 =((((((( |
| 14:06.24 | pavi | ohh ok . ZogG stolen ? |
| 14:06.33 | ZogG | usb broken |
| 14:06.44 | pavi | is copying all Meego wallpapers to maemo :) |
| 14:06.45 | ZogG | permanent |
| 14:06.57 | pavi | ZogG, yeah USB is scary |
| 14:07.10 | ZogG | i got my fixed by friend |
| 14:07.11 | MohammadAG | hi ZogG |
| 14:07.35 | ZogG | and put some expo and probably should wait till it gets more dry - broke it again |
| 14:07.49 | ZogG | MohammadAG, sup? so what's new pal? got to technion? |
| 14:09.22 | ZogG | or you still have psychometry |
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| 14:54.30 | DocScrutinizer | ZogG: epoxy doesn't work |
| 14:54.50 | ZogG | doesn't matter already |
| 14:54.53 | ZogG | it's dead |
| 14:54.58 | ZogG | final =( |
| 14:55.08 | DocScrutinizer | ad to hear that |
| 14:55.11 | DocScrutinizer | sad* |
| 14:56.33 | DocScrutinizer | but yes, epoxy also tends to make evry effort moot to fix it again after it broke (which it most likely will do as epoxy doesn't really stick to the green varnish of PCB) |
| 14:59.34 | DocScrutinizer | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2011-07-16.log.html#t2011-07-16T19:13:02 |
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| 15:00.19 | DocScrutinizer | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2011-07-23.log.html#t2011-07-23T05:40:35 |
| 15:00.57 | DocScrutinizer | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2011-08-03.log.html#t2011-08-03T23:53:41 |
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| 15:02.06 | user | MaKa |
| 15:02.12 | DocScrutinizer | GENERAL NOTICE: do NOT use epoxy to fix your broken USB, see the above links instead |
| 15:03.32 | DocScrutinizer | also see |
| 15:03.36 | DocScrutinizer | ~usb-fix |
| 15:03.36 | infobot | Fixate receptacle like this: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=547991#post547991 - get the pic.zip form there http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=870017&postcount=27 for details how to deal with contact pads came off |
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| 15:07.47 | DocScrutinizer | ~usb-fix is also >>NEVER use epoxy glue!<< |
| 15:07.48 | infobot | DocScrutinizer: okay |
| 15:10.50 | merlin1991 | ~usbfix |
| 15:10.53 | merlin1991 | err |
| 15:10.55 | DocScrutinizer | generally better fix USB *before* it's _completely_ broken, I.E. take care about proper ruggedized fixating of receptacle prior to whole receptacle comes out and contact pads come off |
| 15:10.56 | merlin1991 | ~usb-fix |
| 15:10.56 | infobot | Fixate receptacle like this: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=547991#post547991 - get the pic.zip form there http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=870017&postcount=27 for details how to deal with contact pads came off, or >>NEVER use epoxy glue!<< |
| 15:11.27 | DocScrutinizer | ~usbfix is <reply>see usb-fix |
| 15:11.27 | infobot | okay, DocScrutinizer |
| 15:11.48 | DocScrutinizer | ~usbfix |
| 15:11.48 | infobot | Fixate receptacle like this: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=547991#post547991 - get the pic.zip form there http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=870017&postcount=27 for details how to deal with contact pads came off, or >>NEVER use epoxy glue!<< |
| 15:12.44 | DocScrutinizer | ~lock usbfix |
| 15:12.44 | infobot | locking factoid usbfix, DocScrutinizer |
| 15:12.48 | DocScrutinizer | ~lock usb-fix |
| 15:12.48 | infobot | locking factoid usb-fix, DocScrutinizer |
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| 15:14.25 | SpeedEvil | http://kotaku.com/5827627/this-iphone-game-makes-horse-armor-look-like-a-great-deal |
| 15:14.27 | SpeedEvil | sighs. |
| 15:15.31 | SpeedEvil | (insanity of in-app-payment games) |
| 15:15.48 | DocScrutinizer | eeek eeew |
| 15:18.25 | DocScrutinizer | a friend of mine told me about such a centralized game app repository/payment/store that allows installing games you bought and registered on any arbitrary device then. Also he said "makes you poor very easily, as you can buy things in games and don't even notice how your real money runs thru your fingers" |
| 15:20.05 | DocScrutinizer | since yesterday he's "not available" via his mobile number - wonder why :-P |
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| 16:01.47 | wjt | hello! despite having declared it abandoned, I uploaded a new version of Sojourner earlier. It seems to have built fine, but hasn't shown up in extras-devel. Anyone know what's up? http://maemo.org/packages/view/sojourner/ |
| 16:02.28 | DocScrutinizer | wjt: \o/ |
| 16:02.58 | DocScrutinizer | wjt: may take sme time until it shows up |
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| 16:03.29 | wjt | I uploaded it ~4 hours ago, I remembered it being faster, is all .:) |
| 16:03.41 | DocScrutinizer | cronjobs |
| 16:03.51 | DocScrutinizer | no idea when they run |
| 16:04.15 | wjt | fair. |
| 16:04.40 | DocScrutinizer | ask MohammadAG - I think he knows details |
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| 16:06.12 | MohammadAG | :05 and :35 |
| 16:06.47 | DocScrutinizer | * Desktop Summit 2011. (Thanks, Olivier Le Thanh Duong) 2011-08-04 12:37 |
| 16:08.44 | MohammadAG | so it should be running now |
| 16:08.44 | MohammadAG | if it's stuck, ping X-Fade |
| 16:08.51 | DocScrutinizer | wait for "package imported" I guess, the build succeeded |
| 16:11.46 | MohammadAG | if it's stuck, it'll never be imported |
| 16:11.54 | MohammadAG | it should've been imported 4 minutes ago |
| 16:12.39 | DocScrutinizer | err wjt I only see target i386 |
| 16:13.08 | wjt | huh. i uploaded the source tarball and changes, same as i ever did before |
| 16:13.58 | DocScrutinizer | then otoh I dn't see anything different for 2.2 either |
| 16:14.06 | DocScrutinizer | yup |
| 16:15.22 | DocScrutinizer | sojourner 0.2.2 Fremantle Extras-devel free i386 Build succeeded System 2011-04-05 12:00 UTC |
| 16:15.55 | wjt | it's arch: all, it's pure python |
| 16:16.04 | wjt | erm, is that any or all? i forget which. |
| 16:16.11 | DocScrutinizer | sojourner 0.2.2 Fremantle Extras-devel free i386 Package imported System 2011-04-05 12:13 UTC |
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| 16:16.59 | DocScrutinizer | sojourner 0.2.2 Fremantle Extras-devel free armel Package imported System 2011-04-05 12:13 UTC |
| 16:17.36 | MohammadAG | if it's python it only "builds" for i386 and imports into both afaik |
| 16:17.58 | DocScrutinizer | obviously |
| 16:18.10 | DocScrutinizer | and it also takes a while from build to import |
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| 16:29.14 | MohammadAG | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:29.15 | MohammadAG | Mem: 1008664 819284 189380 |
| 16:29.42 | MohammadAG | Didn't expect 189MBs to be free on the N950 |
| 16:29.56 | MohammadAG | only 12 "apps" running |
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| 16:33.53 | SpeedEvil | It is kinda silly. |
| 16:34.44 | MohammadAG | Mem: 1008664 694900 313764 killed everything |
| 16:36.11 | SpeedEvil | Output of http://www.selenic.com/smem/ would be interesting |
| 16:36.33 | SpeedEvil | the python script in the tar runs alone, and produces a ps-like output without needing anything on the n900 |
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| 16:42.55 | SpeedEvil | http://www.mauve.plus.com/t/smem.out - from n900 |
| 16:43.13 | SpeedEvil | PSS = proportional set size - which is more reflective of 'real' core use |
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| 17:30.32 | hiemanshu | SpeedEvil: you have been accepted \o/ |
| 17:31.43 | GAN900 | SpeedEvil, 'grats. |
| 17:32.09 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: congrats |
| 17:38.45 | DocScrutinizer | promised you get one this time ;-D |
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| 17:40.45 | DocScrutinizer | highfives GAN900 |
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| 17:42.52 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: (only 12) heh, what do you expect for mem footprint of a qtm app? |
| 17:43.07 | DocScrutinizer | qtquick? |
| 17:43.10 | DocScrutinizer | whatever |
| 17:43.54 | DocScrutinizer | lost track of week's favourite flavour of qt toolkit |
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| 17:45.32 | ShadowJK | 27M RSS on N900/M5 |
| 17:46.16 | GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, clearly all my doing. :D |
| 17:46.28 | GAN900 | Without my input he wouldn't have had a chance. |
| 17:46.41 | DocScrutinizer | never ever ;-) |
| 17:47.36 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, with boosters? not a lot |
| 17:47.36 | MohammadAG | shouldn't be a lot to be exact |
| 17:47.36 | MohammadAG | congrats SpeedEvil :) |
| 17:47.36 | MohammadAG | I love how the mafw example is closed source |
| 17:47.37 | MohammadAG | (Harmattan that is ) |
| 17:48.06 | DocScrutinizer | *cough* no comment |
| 17:49.33 | DocScrutinizer | probably it would've been a really smart move to ship the N950 with a patched kernel that only uses 256MB of the 1GB ram |
| 17:50.05 | DocScrutinizer | ""assume the rest is reserved for others like you"" |
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| 17:51.50 | DocScrutinizer | also reduce CPU clock to 50% of max possible speed |
| 17:52.19 | DocScrutinizer | *that* is a proper testing device as djszapi suggests the N950 were |
| 17:52.32 | ShadowJK | ya |
| 17:53.20 | DocScrutinizer | it's completely nuts to give developers a testing platform that's as good or even better than the target platform |
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| 17:54.17 | MohammadAG | agreed |
| 17:54.24 | npm | DocScrutinizer: can you explain the last comment? what are the diffs on the target platform? |
| 17:56.00 | DocScrutinizer | I meant when you are developing for a target with 1 1.8GHz pentium-duo and 2GB ram, make your developers test their stuff on a 300MHz pentium-II with 256MB ram |
| 17:56.46 | npm | also, would love to hear comments on why there's a performance/size difference between my "Maemo->MeeGo" port of qmltube from maemo versus cutetube for harmattan ( http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=28156&postcount=20 ) |
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| 17:57.51 | npm | is it due my difft opengl optimizations, or is that a slowdown caused by qt components versus generic qml + mobility |
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| 17:58.27 | DocScrutinizer | when they think it's bearable performance on that 300MHz/256MB system then you can be sure it will 'usually work nicely' on up-to-date systems |
| 17:58.53 | npm | but i was wondering isn't the n9 the same performance, etc as the n950? |
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| 17:59.06 | DocScrutinizer | aah s/qtm/qml/ |
| 17:59.24 | MohammadAG | the point he's trying to make is, make devs developer for a slower machine, so it runs faster on the target device |
| 17:59.46 | MohammadAG | a C++ dev might be like meh, it has 1GB RAM, why should I delete this object from memory? |
| 17:59.54 | npm | i understand that. that sort of happens naturally if your app takes long enough to develop :-) |
| 18:00.06 | merlin1991 | there's also the point that on a dev device you'll never have as many apps running as the user will when he's going to use your application |
| 18:00.39 | npm | either that, or have begun your coding on big box computers that were clocked at 1Mhz |
| 18:00.46 | npm | running bsd 4.2 |
| 18:00.54 | npm | that'll larn ya!! |
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| 18:01.15 | ShadowJK | npm: DocScrutinizer was alluding to that developers tend to test/assume with nothing else running on the device, whereas users typically are running web browsers, IM, photos and lots of widgets, which reduces the effective amount of resources available to your app, which makes testing on a lower spec device ensure you make it work better for real practical use |
| 18:01.43 | npm | that's true too |
| 18:01.59 | npm | which is why http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=28156&postcount=20 is relevant |
| 18:02.00 | npm | :-) |
| 18:02.56 | npm | because a 7% performance and 7% size diff is significant |
| 18:04.01 | npm | the right test is the "energizer bunny" test. get two n950's and have them play a on-disk playlist of videos and see which one lasts longer |
| 18:06.53 | npm | anyways i just saw DocScrutinizer's comment and thought that maybe there was some additional concession on the n9 other than a camera inferior to n8's |
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| 18:08.19 | npm | i am in full agreement with the sentiment of devs needing to test/dev in a more constrained env.. although if you're doing anything w/ multimedia every ounce of additional cpu is needed |
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| 18:11.10 | DocScrutinizer | that's actually incorrct. Just for multimedia there's usually a magical "just good enough" limit, and this limit (where suddenly there are no more dropped frames etc) shall leave sufficient resources on system for an occasional check-the-mail abd other sync background tasks |
| 18:11.24 | Ex-Opesa | A friend set up Skype account on his n900 through conversations/accounts, his issue is that his Skype account goes from online to busy in few minutes why is that? |
| 18:11.54 | Ex-Opesa | He sets the availability to 'online' obviously but it automatically goes to busy. |
| 18:12.05 | DocScrutinizer | to skip this limit even a moderate OC might be ok, if it can't get established otherwise |
| 18:12.06 | Ex-Opesa | I don't know I am not sure what he has done that's why I am asking you guys. |
| 18:13.09 | DocScrutinizer | auto-away enabled? LAN-NAT issues? |
| 18:13.44 | Ex-Opesa | Wait, where is this auto away enabled option? |
| 18:13.56 | Ex-Opesa | i mean if its enable where can I check it. ^^ |
| 18:17.40 | Ex-Opesa | Hm, googled around a bit, isn't this auto away option in pidgin? He is using the integrated skype feature. |
| 18:17.49 | npm | DocScrutinizer: depends on the multimedia. how about music making and not video playing where there's at least some DSP assistance |
| 18:18.27 | npm | esp with pulseaudio chewing up needless cpu cycles at high priority |
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| 18:41.22 | DocScrutinizer | npm: PA hogging CPU for adding 0 to 0 and then multiplying by 0.717 is a known issue. What's been your question though? |
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| 18:43.23 | DocScrutinizer | Ex-Opesa: nfc as I never ever used skype on N900 (binned skype on all my machines some 5 years ago) |
| 18:43.44 | DocScrutinizer | Ex-Opesa: your description of the issue however strongly suggested auto-away |
| 18:45.39 | DocScrutinizer | (binned skype) .. just in time before the first security flaws and vulnerabilities got exploited |
| 18:47.11 | DocScrutinizer | according to my general rule "never use the most popular solution, it's never the best and rarely the safest you can find" |
| 18:48.06 | SpeedEvil | hiemanshu: GeneralAntilles MohammadAG thanks! |
| 18:48.13 | DocScrutinizer | usually it's not even the cheapest unless you copycat |
| 18:48.45 | hiemanshu | SpeedEvil: you really have to thank me for telling you about it yesterday, and asking you to apply :) |
| 18:49.52 | SpeedEvil | hiemanshu: I do, indeed. I'd have checked email at some point, and found the mail, but I am very bad at checking email regularly. |
| 18:51.01 | hiemanshu | SpeedEvil: well I remember you saying, 'If I get one more chance, I am sure I'll get one' or something similar :) |
| 18:51.27 | SpeedEvil | I don't think I've ever been that positive . :) |
| 18:51.44 | hiemanshu | heh, well I am sure I remember you saying something similar |
| 18:51.45 | SpeedEvil | I think I said something like 'it's nice to know I got through to the second round' or something. |
| 18:51.49 | hiemanshu | anyways, congrats with it |
| 18:52.06 | SpeedEvil | Indeed - now need to make some concrete plans. |
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| 19:38.04 | Ex-Opesa | DocScrutinizer: Mate, its all resolved now, he signed in on PC, and removed the auto away, and now its fine. Thank you! |
| 19:41.26 | MohammadAG | Hmm, I find it strange/annoying that users are signing up to recommend someone for the N950 DDP progra |
| 19:41.26 | MohammadAG | m |
| 19:41.33 | MohammadAG | it's like they were asked to do it |
| 19:41.53 | MohammadAG | http://twitter.com/#!/faenil/status/98833817648889857 I wonder if there's more of this |
| 19:43.30 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: sad |
| 19:44.42 | cehteh | hehe .. looks desperate .. buy a nokia phone and get a free tshirt ... or maybe buy a nokia phone and we give you money .. |
| 19:44.47 | MohammadAG | hiemanshu, no, annoying, if anyone actually considers them, he's taking someone's place |
| 19:45.14 | MohammadAG | and to me, it seems all he's doing is UIs for stuff like Super-N900-epic-mega script |
| 19:45.40 | hiemanshu | yeah |
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| 19:53.33 | GAN900 | Jaffa, can you fix the <em>'s I left lying around? |
| 19:58.22 | Jaffa | GAN900: Err, sure. After Torchwood ;-) |
| 19:58.38 | Jaffa | GAN900: fiferboy's now fully included :-) |
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| 20:12.18 | GAN900 | Jaffa, excellent. |
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| 20:19.18 | TimmyT | How to set http proxy on terminal? |
| 20:19.39 | DocScrutinizer | what? the N900-accelerator nonsense script guy? |
| 20:19.59 | ShadowJK | export http_proxy=http://proxy:port/ |
| 20:20.16 | ShadowJK | though that only affects things launched from that terminal |
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| 20:20.31 | TimmyT | Tnx shadow |
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| 20:21.04 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, no, someone similar |
| 20:21.09 | MohammadAG | only he does it for Symbian |
| 20:21.22 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: so you prolly should set and export the env in err... xsession? |
| 20:22.10 | ShadowJK | or Settings -> internet connections |
| 20:22.11 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: aah, k. Well, just leave the link pointing to evidence he's voting for himself on the thread |
| 20:22.30 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: indeed, yeah |
| 20:24.26 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: though texrat(?) said they are evaluationg the record of the supporters as well as the record of the N950-owner in spe |
| 20:25.31 | DocScrutinizer | quim actually |
| 20:25.55 | DocScrutinizer | >>We are evaluating the arguments for supporting a specific candidate as well as the mileage of the own supporter and the people thanking the posts.<< |
| 20:27.32 | DocScrutinizer | and "posts: 1" looks a bit.... dunno, I'd prolly ignore that, or maybe even count it as an argument against the supported person |
| 20:28.34 | SpeedEvil | To be fair, not all maemo/meego/symbian devs will be registered on meego - so you're going to have that. |
| 20:32.14 | GAN900 | Well, they can google up the names. |
| 20:32.32 | GAN900 | Quim will usually recognize useful contributors. |
| 20:34.52 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=28259&postcount=25 |
| 20:34.54 | MohammadAG | usually I'm not a d*ck, but someone else might be more eligible and they're not even applying |
| 20:36.56 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: again a bitching twitter URL that downloads 109 pictures for 20s, then gives me a blank page with a small blue bird and nuttin else |
| 20:38.15 | SpeedEvil | An interesting question would be is the firmware the same on the second round. |
| 20:38.25 | MohammadAG | yes |
| 20:38.26 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: you seem to magically attract system bugs :D here's the tweet: "anyone who wants to spend some cents in favour of myself, please do it asap here" |
| 20:38.37 | SpeedEvil | I imagine so - but... |
| 20:39.18 | DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: that's due to my general rule to never use the most popular solution. Here the most popular solution == firefox |
| 20:39.31 | DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: thanks for the quote :-D |
| 20:39.45 | nid0 | nice to see that theyre actually giving some more of these devices out rather than leaving countless numbers of them lying round going to waste |
| 20:40.03 | SpeedEvil | I do wonder how many were made. |
| 20:40.26 | SpeedEvil | And if there is in fact a large warehouse somewhere full of a quarter of a million. :) |
| 20:40.27 | DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: though that quote seems rather unrelated to N950 DDP |
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| 20:40.33 | nid0 | they seem to be all over the place, spoke to someone at nokia research in london recently and apparently theyre all using n9's and n950s, and just have stacks of both lying around |
| 20:40.37 | SpeedEvil | (I suspect a few K might not be unlikely) |
| 20:40.51 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: it is, the "here" is a link to the thread on meego forums |
| 20:41.09 | DocScrutinizer | aaaah |
| 20:41.13 | DocScrutinizer | ok, thanks |
| 20:41.15 | DocScrutinizer | :-) |
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| 20:43.42 | DocScrutinizer | you bet number of N950 manufactured is at very least 4 digits, in the upper range there. Possibly 5 or 6 digits |
| 20:44.25 | GAN900 | 6 seems high |
| 20:45.09 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, 150k might have happened, if they were in a hurry and didn't expect the carriers to outright reject the device |
| 20:45.31 | DocScrutinizer | unlikely but possible |
| 20:46.26 | hiemanshu | if they had so many, they can sell them as N9 dev devices |
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| 20:47.12 | DocScrutinizer | btw I think we already know one of the *real* reasons they don't want to sell N950 ever: borked flatbatrecover |
| 20:47.21 | nid0 | not really, if the hinge really is that weak they arent gonna want to knowingly risk dealing with a high return rate |
| 20:47.36 | DocScrutinizer | hiemanshu: they can't sell "defective" devices |
| 20:47.41 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: yeah, mine had a big ass dent |
| 20:47.48 | hiemanshu | has* |
| 20:48.00 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: they can, as devkits |
| 20:48.09 | hiemanshu | because for the devkit, it doesn't matter |
| 20:48.44 | DocScrutinizer | no, as even on a devkit you would be eligible for a replacement/RMA repair if ever the battery depeltes and you can't charge it anymore |
| 20:48.49 | nid0 | of course it matters, if theyre selling them, they have to warranty them |
| 20:49.04 | DocScrutinizer | if the device was sold |
| 20:49.27 | hiemanshu | ah, makes sense |
| 20:50.53 | hiemanshu | is off to bed |
| 20:51.04 | DocScrutinizer | if they'd sell it with external charger, TX4 and an instruction sheet how to alien charge battery, that could probably fly for devkits |
| 20:52.02 | DocScrutinizer | never will pan out for consumer devices though |
| 20:53.02 | DocScrutinizer | as they evidently knew about the problem and tackled it, on N900, I winder how old the N950 design _really_ is |
| 20:53.18 | DocScrutinizer | wonder* |
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| 21:02.41 | DocScrutinizer | moin javispedro |
| 21:02.45 | javispedro | moo. |
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| 21:26.45 | vi__ | :q |
| 21:32.33 | javispedro | wth is this? http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/1379/abillsunset.jpg |
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| 21:34.42 | DocScrutinizer | LOL |
| 21:34.45 | DocScrutinizer | wtf?! |
| 21:35.06 | b-man` | hey DocScrutinizer, long time no see :) |
| 21:35.28 | DocScrutinizer | indeed |
| 21:36.33 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: how the heck you found this weird riddle? |
| 21:36.47 | javispedro | it was on Stskeeps' twitter feed. |
| 21:36.49 | javispedro | no idea where he got it from. |
| 21:36.59 | DocScrutinizer | gnhnhnhn |
| 21:39.36 | DocScrutinizer | well, there are probably just 2 possibilities: either stskeeps created it, or abill_uk sent it to stskeeps |
| 21:40.06 | DocScrutinizer | either way it's weird |
| 21:40.28 | MohammadAG | *dramatic slide-in* or stskeeps and abill_uk are the same person |
| 21:43.54 | Atarii | any idea why MyDocs is suddenly Read-Only ? |
| 21:44.01 | ShadowJK | filesystem corruption |
| 21:44.07 | Atarii | :( |
| 21:44.22 | Atarii | thanks |
| 21:44.42 | ShadowJK | Connect to PC, copy everything from it as backup, run chkdsk or fsck on it |
| 21:44.57 | Atarii | think I'll just give it a vanilla flash |
| 21:45.13 | ShadowJK | hints might exist in output of 'dmesg' |
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| 21:46.05 | Atarii | ah yes, Filesystem error |
| 21:46.09 | Atarii | thanks for the pointers |
| 21:46.18 | Atarii | I'll wipe celan and restore via BackupMenu |
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| 21:52.28 | MohammadAG | err |
| 21:52.34 | MohammadAG | that might not be the smartest move |
| 21:52.49 | MohammadAG | just chkdsk or fsck it |
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| 21:56.13 | Atarii | too late |
| 21:56.14 | Atarii | :( |
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| 22:24.09 | DocScrutinizer | actually if you would've flashed eMMC then restore /opt and /home directly via backupmenu, you probably also would've been fine |
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| 22:24.48 | DocScrutinizer | even a mkfs.vfat on MyDocs was way faster and a bit smarter :-) |
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| 22:36.27 | Jaffa | GAN900: Talking of TMO, SD69 seems to be going off on one; and the trolls & conspiracy nuts then join in on this fun thread: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75431 |
| 22:36.52 | Jaffa | GAN900: Alternates between apps.meego.com being Nokia's fault, Intel's fault or a "M$" ploy to kill MeeGo |
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| 22:49.40 | MohammadAG | jacekowski, know of a place for the wl1271 datasheet? |
| 22:49.45 | MohammadAG | also, did you apply for the N950? |
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| 22:50.15 | Venemo | Jaffa, hmmm |
| 22:50.19 | Venemo | Jaffa, what is the truth? |
| 22:51.08 | luke-jr | MohammadAG: I did, but I never heard back on whether Gentoo was acceptable or just MeeGo |
| 22:51.26 | Jaffa | Venemo: That LF are risk averse with limited technical resources, but a strong legal department who are used to dealing with corporations, and the thought of individual contributors uploading and distributing things directly through something they are responsible for sent shivers up the lawyers' backs and they nixed the whole thing. |
| 22:52.10 | Venemo | meh |
| 22:52.53 | javispedro | what does #ff mean in twitter btw? |
| 22:53.09 | MohammadAG | follow friday |
| 22:53.09 | SpeedEvil | Follow friday |
| 22:53.19 | javispedro | ah, I see it's a common thing. |
| 22:53.21 | MohammadAG | you list your best followers |
| 22:53.35 | MohammadAG | yeah, mm was a trend a year ago, music mondays |
| 22:55.00 | Venemo | Jaffa, why am I feeling that this is ridiculous on the LF's part? can't they just make us all sign something like we will accept all risks and take responsibility for our shit? |
| 22:57.08 | DocScrutinizer | Venemo: how's a simple URL that important with respect to *anything*? |
| 22:57.36 | Jaffa | Venemo: Well, since no part of the MeeGo leadership is particularly communicative on this (or, in fact, any) topic - leaving it to the Apps team (X-Fade & lbt) - we don't know. |
| 22:57.41 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer, no idea |
| 22:57.59 | Jaffa | Venemo: I'm sure that's been put to them, but in many ways this is actually useful in really bringing out the problems in the MeeGo Project |
| 22:58.19 | Venemo | Jaffa, I see... any chance of also solving those problems? |
| 22:58.29 | Jaffa | Venemo: Our armchairing lawyering can only go so far in Devil's Advocating (can I verbify that? ;-)) possibly inexplicable behaviour |
| 22:58.37 | Jaffa | Venemo: I'm trying, waiting on some replies to emails. |
| 22:58.49 | DocScrutinizer | and in the end: who the F* is LF? (i know i know, linux foundation, but nevertheless...) |
| 22:58.51 | Jaffa | Venemo: Some stuff will be in next week's MWKN. |
| 22:58.59 | Venemo | Jaffa, I'm crossing my fingers for you |
| 22:59.05 | DocScrutinizer | what did they do for me that I can't live without? |
| 22:59.23 | Jaffa | Venemo: More stuff from me personally will probably go public at some point <shrug/> |
| 22:59.37 | Venemo | Jaffa, okay :) |
| 22:59.37 | Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: A "wonderful" MeeGo Conference keynote about how great Android is? |
| 22:59.45 | Venemo | lol. |
| 22:59.51 | javispedro | hypnotic spires included |
| 23:00.00 | javispedro | *spirals |
| 23:00.03 | DocScrutinizer | r33b.net |
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| 23:01.21 | javispedro | I do not think they fear the patents perse. |
| 23:02.03 | javispedro | making the math with previous "maemo devices", the community repo will be the defacto store |
| 23:02.45 | javispedro | and thus when any kind of shit hits the fan (and not only patents), it will spread all over the LF. |
| 23:02.49 | Jaffa | javispedro: Doubt it for Harmattan given the lack of the built-in package explorer. |
| 23:03.08 | Jaffa | javispedro: But I suspect that's part of it. They're not an organisation built to scale. |
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| 23:03.33 | javispedro | Jaffa: having to add extras-devel didn't stop anyone |
| 23:03.41 | javispedro | well, not anyone who had internet visibiliyt that is . |
| 23:03.53 | Jaffa | javispedro: True |
| 23:04.13 | javispedro | it might have stopped my granny, if she ever returned from the grave to buy a n900... |
| 23:05.33 | javispedro | wishes he could write words on this document that I have to write with the same fluidity I do on this window =( |
| 23:06.29 | javispedro | going back to the topic, I cannot avoid but think of how the LF would have handled the emulators fiasco. |
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| 23:08.02 | Jaffa | javispedro: Very true |
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| 23:14.36 | javispedro | btw, the emulator story is also one of exemplar behavior from nokia. Compare to Google. |
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| 23:15.41 | javispedro | (now someone will appear and mention that due to the emulators story, the nintendo copyright czar cursed Nokia with his old black magic arts and that's why Elop came to power) |
| 23:15.41 | nox- | emulators fiasco? whats that about? |
| 23:15.57 | nox- | oh copyright fighting? |
| 23:18.11 | Jaffa | nox-: http://maemo.org/community/council/missing_emulators_will_be_back_at_maemo-org/ |
| 23:18.59 | nox- | oh |
| 23:19.09 | nox- | thats too bad :/ |
| 23:19.49 | javispedro | nox-: there was some video from nokia where someone played snes on a n900, nintendo even made a public statement about it. |
| 23:20.08 | javispedro | was this the google appstore, the apps silently removed and the accounts permanently blocked. |
| 23:20.12 | nox- | oh well... |
| 23:20.20 | nox- | heh |
| 23:21.58 | merlin1991 | thanks doc, now I'm stuck in an infinite hypnotoad loop |
| 23:22.13 | GAN900 | What fun am I missing? |
| 23:22.28 | GAN900 | Was stuck in XChat connection migration. |
| 23:22.47 | merlin1991 | lf bashing and hypnotoad |
| 23:22.58 | Jaffa | GAN900: Troll on TMO claims I'm not enthusiastic for Maemo, maemo.org, Nokia, whatever. |
| 23:23.17 | Jaffa | GAN900: Yeah, and as merlin1991 says some LF exploratory "WTF" comments |
| 23:24.31 | merlin1991 | Jaffa: could you link the trollpost? |
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| 23:25.02 | GAN900 | Jaffa, kids and their lack of history education. |
| 23:25.28 | GAN900 | If only they knew. . . . |
| 23:25.43 | GAN900 | Jaffa, where would you put your hours investment at this point? |
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| 23:26.18 | Jaffa | merlin1991: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1064292#post1064292 start from there |
| 23:26.47 | Jaffa | GAN900: Pandora's obviously the way to go. They get it, penguinbait told me so. |
| 23:27.04 | Jaffa | Hmm, I've just had a really bad thought. What if Mike Cane was *right*?! |
| 23:27.38 | javispedro | pandora as in the openpandora I know? |
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| 23:28.10 | Jaffa | javispedro: Yeah |
| 23:28.28 | javispedro | gotta say that I was thinking earlier today that it is probably easier to get an n950 than a openpandora |
| 23:28.32 | Jaffa | 's going to design his own hardware, build his own OS - it'll be great. |
| 23:32.53 | javispedro | hey, hasn't Smoku just started doing that? :) |
| 23:33.03 | Jaffa | Off-the-shelf h/w AFAICT |
| 23:33.54 | ds3 | hurrah... more hw |
| 23:35.02 | javispedro | when I saw it I thought "he's gone crazy already from reading too much abill_uk". Then realized the fact I think he's crazy is the reason I will never make any money =) |
| 23:36.58 | javispedro | so I now say, go ahead and good luck :) |
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| 23:43.34 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: Jaffa: GAN900: I'm not following pandora since quite some time now, but recently heard from somebody who *really* knows the market and what's going on as he bashed pandora for betraying and robbing people, and the whole thing turned from an enthusiastic project of some guys who had no clue about hw manufacturing into a big hoax that self-supports as it's impossible to get out of the story now |
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| 23:45.17 | Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: Same thing as happened in the RISC OS world about loads of different tablets. |
| 23:45.23 | Jaffa | s/tablets/laptops/ |
| 23:45.56 | javispedro | tablets have not replaced laptopts dammit! |
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| 23:46.39 | javispedro | Jaffa: remove that idea steve jobs has implanted on you via ipad from your subconscious |
| 23:46.40 | DocScrutinizer | and aiui pandora hasn't shipped a single device yet, but still holds down-payments of a number of customers |
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| 23:47.13 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: oh they have shipped devices |
| 23:47.20 | DocScrutinizer | those guys *really* are in some nasty pinch |
| 23:47.25 | javispedro | but few, and there have entire defective batches, ... |
| 23:48.56 | DocScrutinizer | mhm, so they try to take it to step 2 of the pyramid system now? paying pandora1 with downpayments for pandora2 devices? |
| 23:49.36 | javispedro | I do not see malice though |
| 23:50.15 | DocScrutinizer | well, maybe they may ask their paying customers to pay again, then get one working and one defective pandora1 |
| 23:51.48 | javispedro | they did start a secondary project |
| 23:51.55 | javispedro | I remember some fuss about drivers for maemo even |
| 23:51.59 | DocScrutinizer | the down payment for pandora1 was excusable as they didn't know what they did, now they *are* knowing what they do and still ask for down payments? |
| 23:52.04 | javispedro | it was a bt controller designed for smartphones in mind |
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| 23:52.49 | DocScrutinizer | I wonder when they will buy their tickets to mexico |
| 23:53.46 | nox- | and i wonder if there are some people that dont want them to succeed... :/ |
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| 23:54.19 | nox- | (i.e. are all the failed batches really accidental?) |
| 23:54.24 | nox- | </paranoid> |
| 23:54.25 | DocScrutinizer | you bet there are always such people |
| 23:55.15 | DocScrutinizer | nox-: building hw is an art, you have to pay a lot of education fees |
| 23:55.22 | nox- | hm |
| 23:56.37 | DocScrutinizer | just some hours ago we speculated how many defective hw called N950 Nokia has built, and you'd think Nokia knows their business with building hardware |
| 23:57.53 | DocScrutinizer | OM never built any phone hardware that could be attributed as "working" |
