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| 00:17.50 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, indeed, forgot I was on #harmattan |
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| 01:36.19 | Termana | good morning |
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| 01:59.50 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: still awake? |
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| 03:55.21 | Macer | so is nokia going to sell any n950s? |
| 03:57.51 | jiero | no. you have to sign a petition for it and hope more than 1 million people respond |
| 03:58.26 | cehteh | haha |
| 03:58.34 | cehteh | and then for 1200Eur |
| 04:02.09 | Macer | http://www.pcworld.com/article/230795/nokia_n9_why_you_shouldnt_buy_this_device.html |
| 04:02.12 | Macer | hahaha |
| 04:02.41 | Macer | leave it to pcworld to say "wait for windows" |
| 04:02.59 | Macer | which they are probably right but still |
| 04:06.17 | Macer | ugh i just wish they had a qwerty on the n9 |
| 04:06.25 | Macer | i hate nokia so much |
| 04:06.37 | Macer | they are the oracle of the phone business |
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| 04:09.12 | DocScrutinizer | well, given the lifespan of the arbitrary android OS on a phone, which is 6..18 months until support gets binned and no more updates, I'd not worry about N9 being any worse wrt that |
| 04:09.52 | DocScrutinizer | winP7 won't be any better I guess - actually for those winCE phones I never heard of updates |
| 04:11.59 | jiero | even oracle do something good, I know they donate Liberation Sans Narrow font. |
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| 04:38.11 | cehteh | i wonder how nokia comes to the idea anyone would buy a phone just because it is a nokia :) |
| 04:38.35 | cehteh | may work with apple ... but well .. |
| 04:39.23 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, a me-too iPhone-mockup isn't exactly what I'd expect to fly, just because of Nokia printed on the backside |
| 04:40.04 | DocScrutinizer | but then, at least Trollop definitely isn't interested in this thing to become a success story |
| 04:42.46 | DocScrutinizer | the whole N9 feels like "we promised it, so here you got it. Now let's get rid of the whole thing ASAP", from first announcement to latest statements about developer support |
| 04:43.38 | DocScrutinizer | to Nokia firing the whole in house competence of maemo/meego |
| 04:46.56 | cehteh | meanwhile there are enough people fired from nokia to create a new enterprise in the smartphone market .. why didnt they gathered together doing right that? ... |
| 04:47.16 | DocScrutinizer | missing capital? |
| 04:47.34 | DocScrutinizer | also AIUI mainly sw engineers |
| 04:47.42 | cehteh | dunno what did the leaving managers got for leaving? |
| 04:47.53 | DocScrutinizer | I don't think Nokia is massively cutting down on the EE |
| 04:47.54 | cehteh | maybe .. well j/k anyways |
| 04:48.03 | cehteh | well soon they will |
| 04:48.16 | DocScrutinizer | yeah |
| 04:48.18 | cehteh | after failing with wp7 and becoming a pennystock |
| 04:48.35 | cehteh | but well .. M$ will buy them, if not oracle |
| 04:49.31 | DocScrutinizer | OTOH what do they sell per day? in units/money turn-over? 1mio/100mio? |
| 04:49.34 | cehteh | its a bit conspiratory .. but i think a lot people believe that elop is just there to make the swallowing cheaper |
| 04:49.47 | fusi | grrr |
| 04:49.57 | fusi | tryin 2 watch an mkv with subs |
| 04:50.00 | fusi | grr |
| 04:50.07 | cehteh | mplayer? |
| 04:50.08 | fusi | pita |
| 04:50.12 | fusi | ooh? |
| 04:50.24 | fusi | ah |
| 04:50.30 | fusi | ye |
| 04:50.35 | cehteh | if nothing works, mplayer works :P .. |
| 04:50.45 | fusi | but i suck at figuring out the command line options |
| 04:50.48 | cehteh | (but not always) |
| 04:50.50 | fusi | :'( |
| 04:50.55 | fusi | yer it does play it |
| 04:51.01 | cehteh | mplayer -fs foo.mkv |
| 04:51.11 | fusi | ooh |
| 04:51.14 | fusi | ill try |
| 04:51.18 | fusi | 2secs |
| 04:51.24 | cehteh | -fs == fullscreen |
| 04:51.47 | cehteh | sometimes it stucks at the begin you have to nudge it with the arror keys |
| 04:51.51 | cehteh | arrow |
| 04:52.42 | fusi | arg |
| 04:52.44 | fusi | [lavf] Subtitle stream found, -sid 0 |
| 04:52.44 | cehteh | well and the n900 cant play above a certain size (screen size?) ... anyways if your video is to big you have to reencode it scaled down |
| 04:52.51 | fusi | it can see the stream |
| 04:52.58 | fusi | but no subs D: |
| 04:53.05 | cehteh | ok rtfm then :) |
| 04:53.25 | fusi | yer i read all that stuff |
| 04:53.28 | fusi | hrhr |
| 04:53.54 | fusi | its 707x464 ^^ |
| 04:54.41 | cehteh | should work |
| 04:55.17 | fusi | framerate is fine |
| 04:55.21 | fusi | audio sync is good |
| 04:55.27 | fusi | just no dam subs |
| 04:55.35 | fusi | my japanese aint that great |
| 04:57.06 | fusi | http://www.mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/HTML/en/subosd.html |
| 04:57.25 | fusi | cant see anything there bout embedded substreams :? |
| 04:58.03 | fusi | mm |
| 04:58.09 | fusi | gonna find a gui |
| 04:58.16 | fusi | might have it all sorted |
| 04:58.45 | fusi | grrr |
| 04:59.04 | fusi | transcoding with handbrake to mp4 container |
| 04:59.09 | fusi | tellin it to burn in the subs |
| 04:59.16 | fusi | and the bloody thing |
| 04:59.25 | fusi | completely ignoring me :( |
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| 05:01.48 | slonopotamus | system settings -> profiles has nicely looking checkboxes with labels. how to make them? |
| 05:01.48 | fusi | hmm |
| 05:02.53 | MohammadAG | slonopotamus, MTF? |
| 05:03.20 | slonopotamus | wtf mtf? |
| 05:03.33 | MohammadAG | MeeGo Touch Framework |
| 05:03.46 | MohammadAG | I assume you're 5alki"g a\ou5 the N950 |
| 05:03.55 | slonopotamus | MohammadAG: wrong chan, man |
| 05:03.57 | MohammadAG | talking about*, fuck my borked SGX |
| 05:04.32 | slonopotamus | maemo5. |
| 05:04.45 | DocScrutinizer | SGX? |
| 05:04.58 | slonopotamus | if i meant meego, i'd ask in #meego |
| 05:05.04 | MohammadAG | slonopotamus, it's called settings, not system settings then |
| 05:05.24 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, Hardware r3cov3ry 5riggered |
| 05:05.50 | MohammadAG | I'm not trying to be leet, that's hildon input method |
| 05:05.52 | DocScrutinizer | hehehe |
| 05:05.58 | slonopotamus | MohammadAG: it's called ÐаÑамеÑÑÑ if you go to that level of exactness. |
| 05:06.00 | fusi | yay |
| 05:06.11 | fusi | -sid0 param \o/ |
| 05:07.04 | slonopotamus | w/e, i want a checkbox + label where both of them are clickable and have maemo-style border around |
| 05:07.22 | MohammadAG | QCheckBox |
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| 05:08.12 | slonopotamus | MohammadAG: as useful as saying "Gtk" |
| 05:09.24 | MohammadAG | you got a problem with people helping you? |
| 05:09.32 | MohammadAG | hildon_check_button, have fun |
| 05:10.05 | MohammadAG | hildon_check_button_new is what the .so references |
| 05:12.51 | slonopotamus | maybe didn't have enough morning coffee :) thanks, will look at it |
| 05:14.20 | MohammadAG | you can find an example here http://gitorious.org/community-ssu/osso-applet-notificationlight |
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| 08:41.37 | adun153 | quick question: can I just install armel packages from Debian repositories or is maemo 5 incompatible with the debian packages? |
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| 08:54.01 | MohammadAG | X-Fade, ping |
| 08:54.28 | X-Fade | MohammadAG: pong |
| 08:54.49 | MohammadAG | X-Fade, I can't log into OBS |
| 08:54.55 | MohammadAG | logging into meego.com seems fine |
| 08:56.00 | X-Fade | MohammadAG: Ok, will check. |
| 08:56.47 | MohammadAG | X-Fade, can you just reset the password? |
| 08:56.50 | jonwil | can someone with ssh access to their n900 Fremantle run sysinfo-tool -g /certs/ccc/pp/wlan-channel and give me the results as well as what country/part of the world you are in? (specifically looking for someone from Europe) |
| 08:57.01 | X-Fade | MohammadAG: It uses the meego.com account data. |
| 08:57.17 | MohammadAG | dockane_, |
| 08:57.22 | MohammadAG | err, sorry |
| 08:57.25 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer |
| 08:57.27 | MohammadAG | Nokia-N900:~# cat /sys/class/leds/lp5523\:g/led_current |
| 08:57.28 | MohammadAG | 47 |
| 08:58.13 | MohammadAG | X-Fade, just changed the password (to the same pass), still can't login |
| 08:58.39 | X-Fade | MohammadAG: Why did you do that? :) |
| 08:58.46 | X-Fade | MohammadAG: Just to mess it up a bit more? |
| 09:00.41 | MohammadAG | X-Fade, yes :P |
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| 09:02.55 | MohammadAG | jonwil, fcc/us for both devices |
| 09:03.04 | MohammadAG | one from Europe and one from the US |
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| 09:05.57 | jonwil | but what country are the devices physically located in? |
| 09:06.02 | jonwil | As thats what affects that key AFAIK |
| 09:06.27 | MohammadAG | jonwil, Israel |
| 09:06.37 | jonwil | ok, israel must use FCC standards for wifi then |
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| 09:06.42 | jonwil | rather than EU |
| 09:06.47 | jonwil | or otherwise |
| 09:07.00 | jonwil | .au also uses fcc |
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| 09:29.45 | khertan | Morning |
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| 09:43.20 | jonwil | time to see how sysinfo gets the value of /certs/ccc/pp/wlan-channel |
| 09:43.47 | jonwil | and whether that value is fixed to the device data (cal) or set based on the device location |
| 09:47.10 | jonwil | bah, my linux box has to do a fsck |
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| 10:52.17 | Shapeshifter | no arp; how does the n900 establish the mac of an ip? |
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| 10:53.54 | Shapeshifter | well at least there's iputils-arping |
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| 10:58.28 | ShadowJK | what do you mean no arp? |
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| 11:07.39 | Shapeshifter | ShadowJK: the tool, arp, I don't think it's available on my n900 |
| 11:08.14 | ShadowJK | it's not needed for normal use |
| 11:09.45 | Shapeshifter | ShadowJK: yeah, no problem. got arping now |
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| 11:14.33 | SpeedEvil | lardman: Can the url submission thing of mbarcode deal with proxy URLs? |
| 11:14.49 | SpeedEvil | proxy servers |
| 11:14.57 | lardman | SpeedEvil: can you give me an example? |
| 11:15.15 | lardman | I'd have thought the proxy is handled by the browser |
| 11:15.20 | SpeedEvil | Sorry - a server behing a proxy - I need to configure a http proxy to get to it |
| 11:15.33 | SpeedEvil | ah - right - of course. Sorry ofr being stupid. |
| 11:15.41 | lardman | no that's ok |
| 11:15.43 | SpeedEvil | More coffee. |
| 11:15.47 | lardman | :) |
| 11:15.52 | lardman | I know that feeling :) |
| 11:15.57 | SpeedEvil | I'm trying to get rid of my books. |
| 11:16.06 | SpeedEvil | I have ~6K to list on amazon |
| 11:16.28 | lardman | wow, I've just finished unpacking my ~50 boxes of books |
| 11:16.38 | SpeedEvil | Yeah - well... |
| 11:16.40 | lardman | I can feel the floor sagging in my study |
| 11:16.47 | SpeedEvil | I had a cheap secon-hand bookshop nearby. |
| 11:16.53 | lardman | same here :) |
| 11:17.12 | SpeedEvil | I would typically go in every other week, and get every SF/fantasy book he had that I hadn't already got. |
| 11:17.18 | lardman | thinks that perhaps a library membership would be a good idea |
| 11:17.32 | lardman | I collect reference books |
| 11:17.40 | SpeedEvil | It ended up at one point that I could go into a small bookshop to the SF section, and have 90% of the titles. |
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| 11:17.56 | lardman | I have the problem that I don't remember which I have |
| 11:18.15 | lardman | hence the cursing model view for a N9x0 db to take around with me |
| 11:18.26 | SpeedEvil | You should see if there is a unique identifier that could be recognised in some means on them. :) |
| 11:18.31 | lardman | ;) |
| 11:18.52 | lardman | I started writing this code a couple of years ago and have never found the time to finish it |
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| 11:19.09 | lardman | though my motivation dropped while we were selling and I was told to not buy more to clutter up the flat |
| 11:19.14 | SpeedEvil | model=modal? |
| 11:19.21 | lardman | model-view |
| 11:19.33 | lardman | tables and qsql stuff |
| 11:19.42 | SpeedEvil | Oh - right - vague bells ring. |
| 11:19.49 | lardman | I'm sure it's all very simple, but there are just so many different classes |
| 11:20.09 | lardman | I feel that it might be faster to write my own flat text file "db" handler classes |
| 11:20.14 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 11:20.45 | lardman | The Qt docs are sadly lacking in exaplanations of where and why to use different components |
| 11:20.55 | lcuk | lardman, the thing with flat file databases: you can easily improve over sqlite and stuff |
| 11:21.06 | lcuk | but then later when you want to do more advanced processing and stuff |
| 11:21.20 | lardman | lcuk: yeah I know, it's just frustration talking |
| 11:21.27 | lcuk | having a real queryable database helps immensely |
| 11:21.48 | lcuk | lardman, i had to ponder similar with the tagging of sketches |
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| 11:22.02 | lardman | did you find any good example codes? |
| 11:22.09 | SpeedEvil | Oooh! Sketches tagged by barcode |
| 11:22.11 | SpeedEvil | sexy |
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| 11:23.56 | lcuk | lardman, not really it was nothing as simple as adodb |
| 11:24.11 | lcuk | I asked about database classes in Qt |
| 11:24.18 | lcuk | and was hoping fiferboy would know |
| 11:24.55 | lardman | The classes are very complex, for good reason no doubt, but it's a shame someone who knows why doesn't explain why |
| 11:24.56 | frals | qsql? |
| 11:25.00 | lardman | yeah |
| 11:25.28 | lardman | silly stuff like working out which record is selected from a qcomboview |
| 11:25.54 | lardman | or is that qcombolist |
| 11:25.56 | frals | o_O |
| 11:26.33 | frals | is happy most of the stuff we expose is wrapped in a nice QAbstractListModel wrapper |
| 11:26.39 | frals | we == current project im in |
| 11:26.43 | lardman | and things like display item, etc |
| 11:26.56 | lardman | why would one even want that in a db view, etc |
| 11:29.06 | hanning1 | is there a simple way to get the current item played in the mediaplayer from terminal? i already found the corresponding dbus entry, using a dbus viewer |
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| 13:14.52 | adun153 | quick question: can I just install armel packages from Debian repositories or is maemo 5 incompatible with the debian packages? |
| 13:16.00 | jacekowski | incompatible |
| 13:16.05 | jacekowski | maemo has not much common with debian |
| 13:16.21 | jacekowski | pretty much only common thing is package naming and package manager |
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| 13:17.15 | Corsac | well, it depends, simple packages might work directly |
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| 13:50.40 | adun153 | oh, ok. thanks much. |
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| 14:08.24 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: LED:g/current 47, so what? |
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| 14:14.59 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: you know these are units of 0.1mA? |
| 14:16.04 | DocScrutinizer | though mine is 2 here |
| 14:16.22 | DocScrutinizer | but 47 is probably safe and not very concerning |
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| 15:16.14 | pavi | someone here suggested me a gallery2 plugin |
| 15:16.26 | pavi | I am also facing a similar problem like https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=4918&group_id=1114&atid=4180 |
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| 15:50.30 | fusi | will now overheat the cpus |
| 15:51.17 | fusi | wish handbrake had a throttle |
| 15:51.43 | fusi | need to replace my hsf, pretty sure the thermal gunk has died |
| 15:51.49 | fusi | idling at 60c :< |
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| 15:56.27 | DocScrutinizer | fusi: don't OC and you should be just fine with CPU temperature |
| 15:56.53 | fusi | DocScrutinizer: this is one of my desktop machines :p |
| 15:56.56 | fusi | tehe |
| 15:57.15 | DocScrutinizer | not though when your laptop invented a new fibre+plastics hybrid material and clogged the fan with it ;-D |
| 15:57.27 | fusi | hehe |
| 15:57.42 | DocScrutinizer | mine throttled at ~100°C CPU temperature |
| 15:57.50 | DocScrutinizer | when that happened |
| 15:58.07 | fusi | my bios is set to hard power off over 80c iirc |
| 15:58.20 | fusi | dont rly wanna reboot in order to change it :p |
| 15:58.39 | DocScrutinizer | you probably shouldn't either |
| 15:58.47 | fusi | this cpu throttles too but at a temp higher than 80 |
| 15:58.51 | fusi | <- q9550 |
| 15:58.58 | DocScrutinizer | :-/ |
| 15:59.04 | fusi | tjmax == 100c iirc |
| 15:59.39 | fusi | shocking stock cooler D: |
| 16:03.53 | fusi | might get one of those flower coolers |
| 16:04.03 | fusi | zalman jobby |
| 16:04.08 | fusi | thing is tho |
| 16:04.13 | fusi | this is an x48 board |
| 16:04.24 | fusi | and the northbridge has this f-off huge heatsink on it |
| 16:04.33 | fusi | got a feelin itll get in the way |
| 16:04.34 | fusi | hmm |
| 16:04.38 | frals | which board you got? |
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| 16:04.49 | fusi | lanparty x48 |
| 16:04.53 | fusi | dfi |
| 16:05.07 | frals | ok |
| 16:05.21 | fusi | T2R iirc |
| 16:05.37 | frals | i put a thermaltake ultra extreme or whatever its called on my q9550, works pretty good |
| 16:05.38 | fusi | http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://www.borsaplazma.com/images/LP%2520UT%2520X48-T2R2.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.borsaplazma.com/popup_image.php/pID/4186%3FosCsid%3Dc383c949122b8ea5ce9e5bd9218ab39a&h=574&w=600&sz=178&tbnid=Cv4HBZDvSkfWUM:&tbnh=90&tbnw=94&prev=/search%3Fq%3Ddfi%2Blanparty%2Bx48%26tbm%3Disch%26tbo%3Du&zoom=1&q=dfi+lanparty+x48&docid=lbOcLPlfUEmhiM&sa=X&ei=K5QtTqj7CojE8QPf0r2GDA&ved=0CGwQ9QEwCg&dur=188 |
| 16:05.44 | fusi | ooh blimey thats a big link |
| 16:05.47 | fusi | soz |
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| 16:05.58 | fusi | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:06.01 | fusi | mmk ta ill look into it |
| 16:06.15 | frals | its a huge mofo thou |
| 16:06.24 | fusi | they all are these days :) |
| 16:06.31 | frals | dunno how it performs for oc, bought it for a silent rig |
| 16:06.42 | fusi | i dont oc this box |
| 16:06.47 | fusi | dont need to ^^ |
| 16:06.48 | fusi | :p |
| 16:06.50 | frals | got a noctua 800rpm on it and its below ambient noise in my room |
| 16:07.01 | fusi | nice |
| 16:07.11 | fusi | i bought an antec p180 case |
| 16:07.17 | fusi | its not great on the noise |
| 16:07.17 | frals | but i recon either that or the cpu cover isnt really flat, 2 cores idle at 50 and the other 2 at 45 |
| 16:07.31 | fusi | mm |
| 16:07.35 | frals | got a p182, replaced the stock fans with noctuas and its good enough for me |
| 16:07.48 | fusi | when i first built this, i had idle temps around the 40's with stock cooler |
| 16:08.05 | fusi | has got progressively worse over time ^^ |
| 16:08.07 | frals | but my wd velociraptor is kinda loud now ;( |
| 16:08.10 | frals | hehe |
| 16:08.12 | fusi | eep |
| 16:08.37 | fusi | oh sorry igve got a p182 too |
| 16:08.48 | fusi | thought it was a p180 ^^ |
| 16:09.06 | frals | this heatsink is a pretty tight fit in this case thou |
| 16:09.17 | fusi | just got those three fans that came with it |
| 16:09.18 | frals | pretty thight as in 1-2mm clearance to the sidepanel |
| 16:09.19 | frals | :D |
| 16:09.20 | fusi | waaay too loud |
| 16:09.25 | fusi | lool |
| 16:09.33 | fusi | that is ahem .. quite large |
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| 16:09.57 | frals | http://www.overclockersonline.net/images/articles/thermalright/120extreme/large/install12.jpg |
| 16:10.11 | fusi | haha |
| 16:10.14 | frals | ya its pretty huge |
| 16:10.15 | frals | ;) |
| 16:10.21 | fusi | u know that might actually work |
| 16:10.26 | fusi | looks like its got some decent clearance |
| 16:10.41 | frals | first time i moved my case i was kinda scared about the weight of the thing |
| 16:10.50 | fusi | rip ur cpu out its socket hrhr |
| 16:10.55 | fusi | D': |
| 16:10.59 | frals | ya ;D |
| 16:11.07 | fusi | what gets me |
| 16:11.15 | fusi | is the force you need to press down with on these stock coolers |
| 16:11.23 | fusi | feels like ur gonna snap the pcb >.< |
| 16:11.26 | frals | yeah |
| 16:11.45 | fusi | so im looking for one with a back bracket |
| 16:11.54 | fusi | that sorta screws in if u know what i mean |
| 16:12.17 | fusi | will be a pita to install im sure, will have to take the mobo ut the case |
| 16:12.20 | frals | yeah |
| 16:12.21 | fusi | ho hum |
| 16:12.25 | frals | cant remember if this got it but think so |
| 16:12.31 | fusi | i reckon it will |
| 16:12.34 | fusi | am reading up on it now |
| 16:12.40 | fusi | its too big not to :) |
| 16:12.55 | fusi | anyways im off for a bit |
| 16:12.58 | fusi | thanks for the advice :) |
| 16:13.04 | frals | np :) |
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| 16:41.07 | Shapeshifter | Is there a way of exporting the sent mail from modest? |
| 16:41.20 | Shapeshifter | to thunderbird for example |
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| 17:07.29 | DocScrutinizer | nothing obvious |
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| 17:14.36 | DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: /home/user/.modest/cache/mail/pop/*/* seems a location worth looking at |
| 17:22.32 | DocScrutinizer | there's also a .modest/ on /media/mmc1 |
| 17:23.04 | DocScrutinizer | but tbh I don't really get it where mails are supposed to be stored |
| 17:30.04 | DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: in backups of back app (MyDocs/backup/*) there's a comm_and_cal.zip, it has a .modest-backup.tar.gz, this for sure should have all the data you want |
| 17:31.28 | DocScrutinizer | actually it backups the .modest/cache/mail/pop/ branch as mentioned/suggested above |
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| 17:46.16 | fusi | grr |
| 17:46.25 | fusi | my maemosdk image isnt booting |
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| 17:55.20 | fusi | bah |
| 17:55.26 | fusi | reverted to a snapshot |
| 17:55.28 | fusi | sux |
| 17:55.59 | fusi | strokes vmware lovingly |
| 17:56.24 | fusi | fires up esbox |
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| 18:03.31 | kerio | ...y u no use vbox |
| 18:04.41 | fusi | no particular reason |
| 18:05.50 | fusi | having a vmware license swings it a bit.. |
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| 18:11.21 | OkropNick | what is device name of micro sd card? |
| 18:11.59 | OkropNick | i don't know why, but it is not mounting automaticaly anymore |
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| 18:14.08 | NIN101 | mmcblk1 is the microsd, mmcblk1p1 is the first partition of the microsd OkropNick inside maemo. |
| 18:14.23 | OkropNick | NIN101: thanks |
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| 18:19.10 | fusi | htf do i add a preexisting src file to a project in eclipse |
| 18:19.20 | fusi | cant find a menu option anywhere and dragging it does sweet fa |
| 18:19.22 | fusi | >:| |
| 18:19.36 | fusi | bah ill just edit the project file manually |
| 18:19.37 | fusi | bah |
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| 18:20.38 | crashanddie | fusi: import? |
| 18:21.03 | fusi | aha |
| 18:21.06 | fusi | thanks |
| 18:21.19 | fusi | ms background |
| 18:21.24 | fusi | all my semantics are wrong |
| 18:21.26 | fusi | :/ |
| 18:21.56 | fusi | yay 'from filessystem' |
| 18:23.17 | OkropNick | my N900 can't see micro sd card anymore. it was taken out of the device oly once. all connectors are clean and looks fine. any ideas? can it be software problem? |
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| 18:24.18 | fusi | have you put it back in? ^^ |
| 18:24.36 | OkropNick | of course :) even few times |
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| 18:24.57 | fusi | rebooted? |
| 18:25.11 | OkropNick | it is needed to rebot? |
| 18:25.21 | fusi | afaik sometimes it can get corrupted |
| 18:25.23 | OkropNick | *reboot |
| 18:25.35 | fusi | and it borks itself - a reboot afaik auto fixes it |
| 18:25.35 | OkropNick | ok, I'll try |
| 18:25.43 | fusi | usually the first thing to try tbh anyway |
| 18:27.11 | crashanddie | OkropNick: what does dmesg say? |
| 18:27.24 | OkropNick | nothing about it |
| 18:27.25 | crashanddie | OkropNick: also, you have to close the backcover AFAIR |
| 18:27.39 | OkropNick | no, i have not closed it |
| 18:27.43 | crashanddie | then close it. |
| 18:27.56 | fusi | aha |
| 18:28.05 | fusi | yer theres a magnetic sensor that dismounts it when the back is off |
| 18:28.35 | OkropNick | mmm, I'll try |
| 18:28.36 | fusi | (nice touch i thought :p) |
| 18:28.47 | crashanddie | well, kinda required. |
| 18:29.06 | fusi | my prev htc handsets never did that |
| 18:29.08 | crashanddie | Knowing how sketchy filesystems handle being pulled out without warning. |
| 18:29.17 | fusi | but then again they were scummy htc handserts ;D |
| 18:29.37 | fusi | yep, had loads of corruptions |
| 18:29.44 | crashanddie | And they also probably didn't allow ext2/3 filesystems on their sdcards. |
| 18:29.58 | fusi | heheh |
| 18:30.02 | fusi | of course not! |
| 18:30.30 | fusi | ooooh |
| 18:30.33 | fusi | i cant start ranting |
| 18:30.37 | fusi | got work to do! |
| 18:31.22 | OkropNick | yeah, it is working again, thatks all! |
| 18:31.31 | fusi | yay |
| 18:33.24 | fusi | possible to compile individual translation units in esbox? without building the whole thing? |
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| 18:34.58 | fusi | i give up with gui's on linux |
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| 19:33.36 | fusi | anyone know where libtool is installed in the maemosdk image? |
| 19:33.45 | fusi | aint in /usr/local/bin/libtool |
| 19:33.55 | MohammadAG | dpkg -S libtool |
| 19:34.05 | fusi | dpkg -S libtool |
| 19:34.06 | fusi | oops |
| 19:34.07 | fusi | ta |
| 19:34.45 | fusi | ahaa useful command |
| 19:34.48 | fusi | thanks |
| 19:34.53 | MohammadAG | yw |
| 19:39.19 | fusi | smashes head through monitor |
| 19:39.19 | fusi | libtool: link: only absolute run-paths are allowed |
| 19:39.23 | fusi | i needa break |
| 19:39.26 | fusi | o/ |
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| 20:07.35 | Pali | hello, is there any way how to set correct LMD/ILMD values on bq27200 chip? |
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| 20:12.02 | Pali | And why BME reports other battery status (not same as bq modules/script)? |
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| 20:14.10 | SpeedEvil | B) no, you can't fix that |
| 20:14.41 | SpeedEvil | ILMD you can't set without possibly desoldering the chip and adding a 18V programming pulse |
| 20:15.03 | SpeedEvil | LMD you set by charging it all the way, then stopping BME partway through the discharge |
| 20:15.30 | SpeedEvil | This learns the LMD towards the real capacity in steps of 1/8th of maximum, so you amy need several steps |
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| 20:16.55 | DocScrutinizer | and once you remove the batery it resets to ILMD ;-P |
| 20:17.50 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: iirc you *could* program the chip in-circuit. No need to unsolder |
| 20:18.08 | DocScrutinizer | all relevant pins are NC and reachable |
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| 20:25.34 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 20:26.00 | SpeedEvil | But if you're writing your own thingy, you don't really need any of it. |
| 20:26.33 | DocScrutinizer | sure, the relative values are always correct |
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| 20:26.47 | DocScrutinizer | the deltas |
| 20:27.00 | DocScrutinizer | also abolute current and voltage |
| 20:27.16 | SpeedEvil | As it discharges through 3428mV, it resets the available capacity. You look at the jump when this happens, then subtract this from the AC |
| 20:27.21 | SpeedEvil | NAC |
| 20:27.37 | SpeedEvil | Then remember this figure as the new capacity |
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| 20:27.51 | DocScrutinizer | kinda, yes |
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| 20:35.54 | MohammadAG | X-Fade, any progress on my OBS account? |
| 20:36.25 | X-Fade | MohammadAG: It should just work? |
| 20:36.49 | MohammadAG | X-Fade, but isn't? |
| 20:37.03 | MohammadAG | or doesn't, sounds better |
| 20:37.10 | X-Fade | MohammadAG: Does web login work? |
| 20:37.26 | MohammadAG | no, that's what I'm logging in through |
| 20:37.48 | X-Fade | MohammadAG: And your ocs client works? |
| 20:38.02 | X-Fade | MohammadAG: Ehm osc :) |
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| 20:39.10 | X-Fade | MohammadAG: What is your username there? |
| 20:40.05 | X-Fade | MohammadAG: Ah, I see it already. |
| 20:42.07 | MohammadAG | http://liveprofile.com/ lol @ No battery usage |
| 20:46.47 | X-Fade | MohammadAG: Can't see anything wrong. It works for everybody but you :) |
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| 20:51.26 | MohammadAG | X-Fade, yay |
| 20:51.46 | X-Fade | MohammadAG: You are using the right account? |
| 20:53.30 | X-Fade | MohammadAG: Can you try to login now? |
| 20:54.20 | Pali | SpeedEvil: My battery was totaly discharged and I charged it in external charger DT-33 Then bq report LMD=0 and ILMD=2056 |
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| 20:54.51 | DocScrutinizer | yes, that's expected |
| 20:54.54 | Pali | And now bq report other percentage as bme |
| 20:55.15 | DocScrutinizer | yes, that's also expected |
| 20:56.04 | Pali | and now (after 3-4 recharges) is LMD=1914 |
| 20:56.23 | DocScrutinizer | if your battery is ok, then it will be empty when bq27200 shows ~40% remaining |
| 20:56.58 | Pali | should be |
| 20:56.58 | DocScrutinizer | ~2056/8*7 |
| 20:56.58 | infobot | 1799 |
| 20:57.04 | DocScrutinizer | hmm |
| 20:57.09 | Pali | but why? |
| 20:57.13 | MohammadAG | X-Fade, authentication failed |
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| 20:57.49 | DocScrutinizer | Pali: that's the way the battery gauge chip bq27200 works |
| 20:57.50 | X-Fade | MohammadAG: You are loging in to build.pub.meego.com, right? |
| 20:58.20 | MohammadAG | err, no, http://build.meego.com |
| 20:58.36 | X-Fade | MohammadAG: So you are telling me you really need more coffee? :) |
| 20:58.52 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 20:58.56 | MohammadAG | I don't drink coffee, that's the site I used to log into 4 months ago :P |
| 20:59.05 | X-Fade | MohammadAG: No way. |
| 20:59.17 | X-Fade | MohammadAG: That is the core obs, not the community one. |
| 20:59.19 | MohammadAG | my login details are saved |
| 20:59.34 | MohammadAG | yeah |
| 20:59.45 | MohammadAG | I'm pretty sure lbt activated my account there |
| 20:59.52 | X-Fade | MohammadAG: Then why do I see you here: https://build.pub.meego.com/project/show?project=home%3Amohammad7410 |
| 21:00.09 | X-Fade | MohammadAG: No, he doesn't even have admin there. |
| 21:00.28 | X-Fade | Nor do I for that matter. |
| 21:00.37 | MohammadAG | my profile took a stroll, that's the only explanation :P |
| 21:00.39 | Pali | DocScrutinizer: and do you know how bme get capacity percentage? |
| 21:00.50 | DocScrutinizer | by magic ;-D |
| 21:00.58 | X-Fade | MohammadAG: And meego.com accounts have never worked there, they are separate. |
| 21:01.01 | DocScrutinizer | or call it wild guessing :-) |
| 21:01.57 | DocScrutinizer | Pali: actually nobody knows how bme does the calculation of capacity, but it's known to yield rather incoherent results |
| 21:02.12 | MohammadAG | Pali, three shots of vodka and division of two random numbers |
| 21:02.28 | DocScrutinizer | :-> |
| 21:02.49 | Pali | ok :) |
| 21:03.25 | Pali | problem with bq is that ILMD is not set correctly? |
| 21:03.30 | MohammadAG | X-Fade, weird, must've been me then :P |
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| 21:03.36 | MohammadAG | should start drinking coffee methinsk |
| 21:03.46 | DocScrutinizer | for bq27200 however the algo is absolutely clear and documented and you *can* understand what's going on, and get a decent notion about whether the values are good or not |
| 21:03.56 | MohammadAG | X-Fade, any ideas how to create a public repo that everyone can access? |
| 21:03.57 | ShadowJK | pali: yes, it,s set for 2000+ mAh battery |
| 21:03.58 | DocScrutinizer | Pali: basically, yes |
| 21:04.07 | DocScrutinizer | 2056 |
| 21:04.25 | DocScrutinizer | while it should be 1350 |
| 21:04.50 | ShadowJK | 1300 would be sane |
| 21:04.57 | DocScrutinizer | whatever |
| 21:05.00 | X-Fade | MohammadAG: Your home repo is open. |
| 21:05.39 | Pali | in datasheet is written that ILMD register is R/W |
| 21:06.00 | Pali | did somebody try to rewrite it? |
| 21:06.14 | DocScrutinizer | btw about build.pub.meego.com login: EEEEK JS |
| 21:06.15 | ShadowJK | You need 40V or something to erase the eeprom |
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| 21:06.33 | DocScrutinizer | 18V ? |
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| 21:06.38 | ShadowJK | which is not available on n900 |
| 21:06.56 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: the relevant oins are NC and reachable |
| 21:06.58 | ShadowJK | I forget exactly what, but it was alot more than 5V :) |
| 21:07.18 | DocScrutinizer | *pins |
| 21:07.45 | MohammadAG | X-Fade, can anyone push to it? |
| 21:08.25 | X-Fade | MohammadAG: Yes, but you need to accept it of course. |
| 21:09.00 | DocScrutinizer | sratch my JS comment, when JS is disabled, it works just as expected |
| 21:09.14 | X-Fade | MohammadAG: But anybody can do a SR to our project home. |
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| 21:14.18 | khertan | X-Fade, Hi, |
| 21:14.56 | khertan | X-Fade, i ve strange error in the community obs on debian target : /.build/build:âlineâ1856:âhostname:âcommandânotâfound seems to come from a dh helper command |
| 21:15.10 | khertan | did you want i report a bug somewhere ? |
| 21:15.32 | rm_work | ~packrat |
| 21:15.32 | infobot | from memory, packrat is http://www.ageofikon.info/prh/ |
| 21:15.35 | X-Fade | khertan: It can be that hostname is provided by busybox and we don't use that. |
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| 21:16.11 | Pali | DocScrutinizer: I did not read full bq datasheet, but there is really no way how to decrease/fix LMD? |
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| 21:17.12 | khertan | X-Fade, anyway it doesn't seems to be blocking |
| 21:17.20 | DocScrutinizer | no, except doing a learning cycle |
| 21:17.49 | Pali | and how to do correct learning cycle? |
| 21:17.52 | DocScrutinizer | which means fully charging battery, then discharge to some 3200mV |
| 21:18.38 | DocScrutinizer | depending on bme's mod you'll need to stop bme or your device will shit down before even reaching 3200mV |
| 21:18.46 | DocScrutinizer | mood* |
| 21:19.02 | DocScrutinizer | I keep the shit down :-P |
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| 21:19.39 | Pali | ok |
| 21:20.02 | DocScrutinizer | CI = 1 says you never had a valid learning cycle during the last 30 cycles |
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| 21:20.58 | DocScrutinizer | cycles total is number of cycles since battery insert, and there's also "number of cycles since last valid learning cycle" (OWTTE) |
| 21:21.25 | Pali | Cycle Count since Learning: 1 Total Cycle Count since last full reset: 1 |
| 21:21.43 | DocScrutinizer | :nod: |
| 21:22.07 | DocScrutinizer | you managed to do a valid learning cycle on your first cycle after inserting battery. |
| 21:22.29 | DocScrutinizer | Do another 4 or 5 and your LMD will slowly approach reasonable values |
| 21:22.51 | ShadowJK | No, if those two are same number, means no learning cycle has taken place |
| 21:23.05 | DocScrutinizer | ooops, right |
| 21:23.16 | DocScrutinizer | then CI = 1 |
| 21:23.21 | ShadowJK | yes |
| 21:23.41 | DocScrutinizer | CI means "Calculations Invalid" |
| 21:24.35 | DocScrutinizer | Pali: the crux with bq27200 is it's never been meant to be detachable from battery cell |
| 21:25.03 | DocScrutinizer | *should* sit in battery pack, not in device |
| 21:25.25 | SpeedEvil | And it's meant to be setup so that the voltage at termination is set to 6% below the 'low' state |
| 21:25.28 | SpeedEvil | So it's wrong |
| 21:25.29 | DocScrutinizer | that's why each removal of battery completely resets and messes up things |
| 21:26.05 | SpeedEvil | As it doesn't learn |
| 21:26.06 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: indeed |
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| 21:26.16 | MohammadAG | X-Fade, can acceptance be scripted? |
| 21:26.16 | ShadowJK | Charge full. Check vdq=1. Use phone until bme gives battery low. Dont charge. When bme gives battery low, 'stop bme', check vdq=1. './bq27200 5' in an xterm to monitor stuff. When voltage goes below 3248, EDV1 column should turn to 1, if VDQ was 1, a learning cycle completes. Insert charger (a functioning original wallcharger, no shitty usbs) , 'start bme', screen turns off, some jogging of lock slider brings it back. |
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| 21:26.24 | DocScrutinizer | well, actually it depends on bme's mood as mentioned above |
| 21:26.30 | MohammadAG | point is, having a home similar to -devel |
| 21:26.40 | MohammadAG | no QA, all packages in one place |
| 21:27.02 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: prepare for bashing :-D |
| 21:27.21 | DocScrutinizer | ""will you accept now!!! lazy lad!"" |
| 21:27.36 | Pali | ok, thanks for info |
| 21:27.42 | DocScrutinizer | Pali: yw |
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| 21:28.17 | DocScrutinizer | Pali: question: what's status of PK47? regarding e.g iso9660 kernel drivers for hostmode |
| 21:28.36 | ShadowJK | LMD 1227, cycle count since learning 7, cycle count since last reset 152 :) |
| 21:29.33 | Pali | CONFIG_ISO9660_FS=m |
| 21:29.54 | Pali | CONFIG_JOLIET=y |
| 21:31.45 | Pali | X-Fade: Do you know where is problem why kernel-power is not shown in maemo.org package interface? |
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| 21:32.51 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: ? |
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| 21:33.26 | DocScrutinizer | sorry for the noise |
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| 21:35.26 | DocScrutinizer | Pali: thanks |
| 21:36.31 | Pali | I'd like to release v48, but I have some problems with rebooting and problem with maemo.org/packages (it does not see v47) |
| 21:37.28 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: 1174/3/28 - If this was the 'real' capacity it'd be fine, but impedence is a problem (I need to kill BME or it keeps beeping almost after I uplug it from the charger |
| 21:38.49 | ShadowJK | Yeah I have a battery measuring 1054mAh, low cycle count, it mostly sat empty in my spare N900 for half a year. |
| 21:39.20 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: this is kown to kill LiIon |
| 21:39.45 | DocScrutinizer | you can bin it right away |
| 21:39.50 | ShadowJK | It was 4.2V when I put it in, a month later it lit up emergency charge led :) |
| 21:40.05 | ShadowJK | parasitic drain in "off" seems somewhat high :s |
| 21:40.15 | DocScrutinizer | N900 seems to not always exactly switch off completely |
| 21:40.54 | DocScrutinizer | too many subsystems without a proper main breaker switch to kill them |
| 21:41.05 | ShadowJK | Yeah, MeeGo switched off seems to drain battery in <24h |
| 21:41.15 | DocScrutinizer | LOL |
| 21:41.21 | DocScrutinizer | cool shit man |
| 21:42.08 | DocScrutinizer | I guess modem still in stanbay while main APE off |
| 21:42.17 | DocScrutinizer | standby |
| 21:42.22 | DocScrutinizer | o.O |
| 21:42.27 | DocScrutinizer | bye |
| 21:42.33 | DocScrutinizer | o/ |
| 21:42.45 | ShadowJK | Problem is it lasts longer when switched ON than when switched off... |
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| 21:49.30 | Pali | DocScrutinizer: What is status of project jrbme? |
| 21:49.51 | DocScrutinizer | basically binned |
| 21:50.42 | DocScrutinizer | there's no real win in implementing all the crap so it would integrate nicely and keep the rest of system working |
| 21:51.54 | DocScrutinizer | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1006716&postcount=806 |
| 21:54.39 | Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: thanks for the modest hints |
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| 21:59.34 | chem|st | yawn |
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| 22:08.36 | SpeedEvil | notes that the 'seeekrit IP' in BME doesn't inclue anything that notices it's bootlooping ue to power starvation, and bump up the threshold 50mV |
| 22:09.58 | DocScrutinizer | there IS NO secret IP in BME, it's simply a system maintained by subcontractors and Nokia has neither (C) nor inhouse competence about it. My 2 cents |
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| 22:11.09 | DocScrutinizer | and those who actually had a look at it and told me about it claimed it "makes your eyes bleed" |
| 22:11.10 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 22:11.16 | SpeedEvil | I know. |
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| 22:12.27 | DocScrutinizer | which is plausible ( quote mythbusters ) regarding it acesses some register #48 of a chip that only has some 5 or 6 registers |
| 22:13.21 | DocScrutinizer | actually I think bme works by mere incisence |
| 22:13.36 | DocScrutinizer | incidence* |
| 22:15.18 | DocScrutinizer | and maybe Nokia even got it independently evaluated and then got an assurance against all doom that might arise from LiIon cells, so this would at least explain why they are completely horrified about anybody touching it |
| 22:17.23 | DocScrutinizer | or, even more plausible, the cell manufacturer made this bme and also took responsibility about the bme&cell system behaving |
| 22:18.51 | DocScrutinizer | which also would explain why fremantle bme seems designed to reduce lifetime of battery ;-D |
| 22:19.22 | DocScrutinizer | harmattan bme is way more sane it this regard |
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