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| 00:47.12 | fdskjfsdl | please, guys. is it possible to only download new emails using the mail client with imap (n900 cellphone)? |
| 00:48.01 | cehteh | modest should do that, sans bugs |
| 00:48.19 | fdskjfsdl | hmmm I configures my gmail account but i downloaded everything |
| 00:48.23 | fdskjfsdl | *it |
| 00:49.23 | cehteh | well modest is a pile of compressed bugs |
| 00:49.34 | cehteh | i gave up with email on my n900, its useless |
| 00:50.08 | fdskjfsdl | haha... is there another client? but a nice one :P |
| 00:50.09 | cehteh | no idle support, no subscription management, notifies for each and every spam |
| 00:50.13 | cehteh | no |
| 00:50.24 | cehteh | there is claws which somewhat works .. |
| 00:50.33 | cehteh | but its not optimized for a smal device |
| 00:50.34 | fdskjfsdl | hmmm will I need to keep using webmail and looking in the n900 every 15 min? |
| 00:50.54 | fdskjfsdl | hmmm got it |
| 00:51.06 | cehteh | and there is trojta or similar (forgot the name) which tries to be imap only, but it has no much features either |
| 00:51.27 | cehteh | imap is just broken with the n900 and modest |
| 00:51.34 | fdskjfsdl | and using pop? do you think modest can solve my problem? |
| 00:51.40 | fdskjfsdl | all I need is to download the new emails |
| 00:52.07 | cehteh | try it |
| 00:52.19 | fdskjfsdl | ty :) |
| 00:52.37 | cehteh | its rather optimized for some push service (ovi?) .. but hey i dont want to give anyone else access to my mail |
| 00:52.42 | MohammadAG | whoever does the next fm radio app, add a timeshift feature |
| 00:53.11 | MohammadAG | Nokia Messaging, I don't mind them having my password |
| 00:53.19 | cehteh | yes exactly |
| 00:53.24 | cehteh | i dont want that |
| 00:53.25 | MohammadAG | it's not like they give a shit about my facebook notifications |
| 00:53.41 | MohammadAG | or my paypal notifications |
| 00:53.46 | MohammadAG | or emails from friends |
| 00:54.06 | cehteh | well they may become hacked too |
| 00:54.41 | MohammadAG | no worries, PSN already handled that |
| 00:54.46 | cehteh | lol |
| 00:55.13 | cehteh | anyways .. no working/useable imap mail on the n900 |
| 00:55.18 | MohammadAG | a viagra ad email from my address to my whole contact was a nice way to get in touch with old friends |
| 00:55.41 | cehteh | if you have only one folder and receive less than 5 mails per day, then maybe ok |
| 00:55.49 | MohammadAG | had to apologize to a lot of people :/ |
| 00:55.57 | cehteh | haha |
| 00:56.07 | MohammadAG | especially school |
| 00:56.32 | cehteh | you read that hotmail has this new "my friend got hacked" button? :) |
| 00:56.53 | MohammadAG | gmail ftw :P |
| 00:57.03 | MohammadAG | but no, what does that do? |
| 00:57.04 | cehteh | eh? |
| 00:57.32 | cehteh | if you receive spam which appears to be from a friend then you can tag that as 'his account probably got compromised' |
| 00:57.47 | cehteh | dunno what they then do, prolly some automatic notification and password renewal |
| 00:58.18 | cehteh | i dont use hotmail .. my mail server sits about 4meter from me under the window :P |
| 00:59.26 | cehteh | mhm wondering if installing a full blown mail server (and imap server) on the n900 itself, and fetchmail could fix the issues :P |
| 00:59.37 | cehteh | but ew .. i dont want to go that far |
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| 01:03.01 | FIQ|n900 | quick logical question |
| 01:03.13 | FIQ|n900 | XNOR is the same as "is equal to"? |
| 01:03.35 | FIQ|n900 | or well, it is like it |
| 01:05.39 | cehteh | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XNOR_gate |
| 01:07.59 | FIQ|n900 | works too |
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| 01:10.47 | n900 | can anyone tell me a command for n900 to check disk? |
| 01:17.44 | cehteh | install backupmenu, it can fsck at bootup (boot with keyboard slide out) |
| 01:18.14 | cehteh | otherwise, you have to install the rootsh, unmount the partition in question and run fsck on it |
| 01:18.31 | cehteh | the kernel power tools can also force a fsck on boot |
| 01:20.40 | Guest79433 | i have root sh |
| 01:20.57 | Guest79433 | how i unmount the partition? |
| 01:21.05 | Guest79433 | and how i mount back? |
| 01:21.51 | Guest79433 | and if i install backup menu it's any posibilyty to break my device? |
| 01:23.00 | cehteh | uhm you are linux noob? ... then better uninstall rootsh :P |
| 01:23.18 | Guest79433 | i use root sh for some stuff |
| 01:23.27 | cehteh | well in theory backup menu can break it .. but in practice you can prolly do worse when you dont know what you are doing :P |
| 01:23.45 | Guest79433 | i know some stuff |
| 01:23.50 | cehteh | which partition do you want to check? |
| 01:23.51 | Guest79433 | but i whant to learn |
| 01:24.01 | Guest79433 | both |
| 01:24.08 | cehteh | there are more than 2 :P |
| 01:24.28 | Guest79433 | i don't whant to check the boot partition |
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| 01:24.49 | cehteh | cat /proc/partitions |
| 01:25.06 | cehteh | well the 'MyDocs' and the µSD i suspect? |
| 01:25.25 | Guest79433 | i don't have usd |
| 01:25.33 | Guest79433 | i whant to check system |
| 01:25.41 | Guest79433 | and MyDocs |
| 01:26.05 | cehteh | system as in /home .. thats a bit hard to check at runtime as it is in use and cant ne unmounted |
| 01:26.15 | cehteh | (same for root) |
| 01:26.20 | cehteh | mydocs is easy |
| 01:26.36 | Guest79433 | if i flash a fiasco image will be ok? |
| 01:26.42 | cehteh | eh? |
| 01:26.53 | cehteh | how does that relate to fsck? |
| 01:27.10 | Guest79433 | this wil solve all my problems? |
| 01:27.13 | cehteh | when you flash something then it overwrites the contents |
| 01:27.13 | Guest79433 | fiasco image? |
| 01:27.18 | cehteh | i dont know what problems you have |
| 01:27.37 | cehteh | but usually flashing will erase anything whats there, for most people that will cause problems :P |
| 01:27.52 | Guest79433 | ok |
| 01:27.54 | Guest79433 | so |
| 01:28.02 | cehteh | do you want to erase your device? |
| 01:28.03 | Guest79433 | how i check mydocs? |
| 01:28.10 | Guest79433 | ok |
| 01:28.15 | cehteh | in the simplest case you just plug in USB |
| 01:28.20 | Guest79433 | i have transmission |
| 01:28.31 | Guest79433 | and i try to download from torrent |
| 01:28.42 | cehteh | or .. no bad idea .. i always forget this crappy automounters |
| 01:28.44 | Guest79433 | when i open a torrent file the phone stuck |
| 01:28.50 | cehteh | so back .. do NOT plugin usb |
| 01:28.55 | cehteh | open root shell |
| 01:29.12 | cehteh | umount /home/user/MyDocs |
| 01:29.26 | cehteh | (close all apps!) |
| 01:29.34 | cehteh | mount |
| 01:29.50 | Guest79433 | ok |
| 01:29.54 | Guest79433 | i have unmonted |
| 01:29.58 | cehteh | gives a list of all mounted partitions, double check that the MyDocs is not there and unmounted |
| 01:30.16 | cehteh | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:30.17 | cehteh | here |
| 01:30.25 | cehteh | ... you have prolly a vfat filesystem? |
| 01:30.38 | Guest79433 | i don't know |
| 01:30.47 | cehteh | if you dont changed anything then its vfat |
| 01:31.06 | cehteh | so are you absolutely sure its unmounted? |
| 01:31.19 | cehteh | no errors .. not listed in the mount output? |
| 01:31.33 | Guest79433 | is unmounted |
| 01:31.39 | Guest79433 | what i do next? |
| 01:32.29 | cehteh | fsck.vfat /dev/mmcblk0p1 |
| 01:33.04 | cehteh | what problems did you have anyways? |
| 01:34.27 | Guest79433 | i have a error |
| 01:34.36 | Guest79433 | leaving file system unchanged |
| 01:34.54 | cehteh | yes that was only the check without repairing |
| 01:35.02 | cehteh | do you have a backup? |
| 01:35.16 | Guest79433 | why? |
| 01:35.28 | cehteh | just in case you loose some data |
| 01:35.31 | Guest79433 | no i don't have |
| 01:35.44 | Guest79433 | tell me |
| 01:35.48 | Guest79433 | what's next |
| 01:35.50 | cehteh | so what where your problems? and do you have a linux box? |
| 01:36.05 | Guest79433 | linux box? |
| 01:36.07 | cehteh | if yes then its prolly a good idea to make a backup now |
| 01:36.15 | cehteh | computer running linux |
| 01:36.15 | Guest79433 | no |
| 01:36.20 | Guest79433 | yes |
| 01:36.23 | Guest79433 | i have unbuntu |
| 01:36.33 | Guest79433 | but now i'm on windows |
| 01:36.49 | Guest79433 | ubuntu |
| 01:36.52 | cehteh | well i recommend to make a backup .. dont blame me if you dont do and loose data |
| 01:37.02 | Guest79433 | i will not blame you |
| 01:37.12 | Guest79433 | i have copy after contacts |
| 01:37.27 | Guest79433 | what's next? |
| 01:37.32 | cehteh | so fsck.vfat -a /dev/mmcblk0p1 |
| 01:37.37 | cehteh | will try to fix it |
| 01:37.55 | cehteh | (or may fatally go wrong) |
| 01:38.00 | cehteh | :P |
| 01:38.13 | Guest79433 | is ok now |
| 01:38.20 | cehteh | fsck.vfat -h gives some help about other options |
| 01:38.20 | Guest79433 | auto-correcting |
| 01:38.33 | cehteh | ok lucky you |
| 01:38.58 | Guest79433 | now how i mount back? |
| 01:38.58 | fdskjfsdl | hey, tell me something, please. dows n900 maemo's email client plays a sound when a new email arrive? |
| 01:39.38 | cehteh | fdskjfsdl: sound, notification dialog, blinking LED and whats not |
| 01:40.05 | cehteh | Guest79433: mount -t vfat /dev/mmcblk0p1 /home/user/MyDocs |
| 01:40.24 | Guest79433 | i mount vfat? |
| 01:40.27 | fdskjfsdl | cehteh: nice, because I'm fighting to put my pop to work, it would be disappointing if such behavirourdid not happen hehe |
| 01:40.41 | cehteh | is there a lost+found dir? /home/user/MyDocs/lost+found ? |
| 01:40.56 | cehteh | if yes, is it empty? (i dont know if vfat fsck creates one) |
| 01:41.10 | fdskjfsdl | and I am manually configring the account... am I supposed to use gmail's pre-configuration or can I continue manually? |
| 01:41.13 | cehteh | fdskjfsdl: well its annoying because it doesnt work |
| 01:41.20 | cehteh | no idea |
| 01:41.36 | fdskjfsdl | hahaha heelllll, i am praying for the pop to work |
| 01:41.55 | fdskjfsdl | hey, a telnet can do the job... what is the difficulty in the client to only telling me new emails? |
| 01:42.08 | cehteh | Guest79433: if all works, check for your content there and so on .. then you are fine, maybe this manual mounting left some mount options out (i dont know the default mount options the n900 uses for vfat) |
| 01:42.24 | Guest79433 | internal error aplication manager closed |
| 01:42.31 | Guest79433 | :| |
| 01:42.32 | cehteh | so if all is ok now, then do a reboot soon |
| 01:42.55 | cehteh | the application manager doesnt use the MyDocs partition |
| 01:43.09 | Guest79433 | this is my second n900 |
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| 01:43.14 | cehteh | was that your problem earlier? hey i asked many times whats your problem |
| 01:43.21 | Guest79433 | my firstone dowsn't recognize the internal memory |
| 01:43.28 | cehteh | strange |
| 01:43.35 | Guest79433 | and i have all the time a error |
| 01:43.35 | merlin1991 | did you drop it? |
| 01:43.48 | Guest79433 | application calendar closed |
| 01:43.56 | Guest79433 | hm... |
| 01:43.58 | Guest79433 | yes.. |
| 01:44.07 | cehteh | well maybe just reflash it ... but be aware that you should make a backup first |
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| 01:44.11 | merlin1991 | my first n900 had a broken chick for the /home partition |
| 01:44.14 | cehteh | well and do a reboot |
| 01:44.14 | Guest79433 | no |
| 01:44.18 | Guest79433 | i try to reflash |
| 01:44.20 | Termana | good morning |
| 01:44.21 | merlin1991 | s/chick/chip/ |
| 01:44.32 | Guest79433 | then i had another problem |
| 01:44.35 | cehteh | did you overclock your device? |
| 01:44.35 | merlin1991 | I guess that was wishfull thinking on my side :P |
| 01:44.39 | Guest79433 | the phone reboot all the tme |
| 01:44.49 | Guest79433 | no |
| 01:44.56 | Guest79433 | i didn't overclock it |
| 01:45.04 | cehteh | that was an bug before pr1.2 |
| 01:45.23 | merlin1991 | Guest79433: after a reboot check /proc/bootreason |
| 01:45.24 | cehteh | get the pr1.3 images to flash |
| 01:45.40 | Guest79433 | that was my old n900 |
| 01:45.49 | Guest79433 | thx to warranty i have a new phone |
| 01:45.51 | Guest79433 | :)) |
| 01:46.02 | cehteh | heh nokia still has spares? |
| 01:46.14 | merlin1991 | cehteh: that bug was awesome especially combined with the rebot about 10 times, get stuck on boot bug :D |
| 01:46.23 | cehteh | i know |
| 01:46.31 | Guest79433 | but |
| 01:46.34 | merlin1991 | I had that the first day when I got my n900 :/ |
| 01:46.37 | Guest79433 | the bad part |
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| 01:46.50 | Guest79433 | is that i have a spanish keyboard |
| 01:46.57 | Guest79433 | no up arrow |
| 01:47.01 | Guest79433 | no down arrow |
| 01:47.09 | cehteh | same here .. german keyboard |
| 01:47.13 | Guest79433 | and other symbols |
| 01:47.46 | Guest79433 | if i request a english keyboar? |
| 01:47.52 | Guest79433 | the can change it? |
| 01:48.06 | Guest79433 | they can change it? |
| 01:48.12 | cehteh | its only the keyboard mat |
| 01:48.23 | cehteh | you have to open your device, that voids warranty |
| 01:48.32 | cehteh | and you should know if you are able to exchange it |
| 01:48.45 | cehteh | normally its not a user serviceable part, but its trivial to exchange |
| 01:49.31 | Guest79433 | cehteh is a n900 version with 64 Gb memory?? |
| 01:49.35 | cehteh | no |
| 01:49.46 | cehteh | only 32GB |
| 01:49.47 | Guest79433 | it's just 32? |
| 01:50.06 | cehteh | add a uSD |
| 01:50.26 | Guest79433 | it's bad with uSD |
| 01:50.34 | cehteh | how that? |
| 01:50.47 | cehteh | i try to place as much data on the uSD |
| 01:50.50 | Guest79433 | phone wil work slowly |
| 01:50.55 | Guest79433 | phone will work slowly |
| 01:51.04 | cehteh | not really .. mine is ok |
| 01:51.06 | Guest79433 | low procesor |
| 01:51.06 | strohhalm | just store your porn somewhere other? |
| 01:51.19 | Guest79433 | :)) |
| 01:51.37 | cehteh | what does the processor speed do with that? |
| 01:51.46 | cehteh | some uSD are slow .. slower than emmc |
| 01:51.59 | cehteh | but that hardly matters much and anyways, get a quality uSD |
| 01:52.16 | cehteh | i dont have a very fast one and it still works fine |
| 01:52.31 | ShadowJK | usd does not make phone slower |
| 01:52.35 | Guest79433 | even if it's almost full? |
| 01:52.51 | fdskjfsdl | ahhh why i cannot send email using gmail's pop! |
| 01:52.54 | wblaze | look for class-12 <3 |
| 01:53.23 | cehteh | any filesystem sux when its almost full |
| 01:53.46 | Guest79433 | not realy |
| 01:53.47 | cehteh | well and vfat isnt really a good performance filesystem :P |
| 01:53.49 | wblaze | fdskjfsdl: because pop is for downloading mail? :p (also, use submission port, most mobile providers and local ISPs filter port 25 on egress) |
| 01:53.54 | Guest79433 | try with internal memory on n900 |
| 01:53.57 | Guest79433 | is not slow |
| 01:54.16 | fdskjfsdl | ggrrrr i was supposed to say smtp hehe |
| 01:54.23 | wblaze | haha I figured |
| 01:54.26 | cehteh | good uSD are as fast or faster than the internal memory |
| 01:54.53 | Guest79433 | tell me a good msd card |
| 01:54.55 | cehteh | (bad ones are of course worse) |
| 01:55.03 | cehteh | sandisk class12 |
| 01:55.18 | ShadowJK | uSD when almost full will have slowdown same as internal memory almost full. The device will feel faster if USD is almost full, than if internal memry is almost full. |
| 01:55.18 | Guest79433 | kingston? |
| 01:55.25 | cehteh | no kingston is bad |
| 01:55.59 | Guest79433 | ok.. |
| 01:56.14 | cehteh | kingston doesnt produce flash .. they just buy and repackage |
| 01:56.16 | ShadowJK | Sandisk class 12 does not exist :) |
| 01:56.38 | cehteh | guess why :) |
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| 01:56.48 | cehteh | that cake is a lie |
| 01:57.09 | Guest79433 | ? |
| 01:57.17 | ShadowJK | They have their own controller actually. They sometimes even use it. It sucks. |
| 01:57.29 | cehteh | if sandisk cant ship them then no one else can (alsmost) because sandisk maufactures the chips (and samsung and who is the 3rd?) |
| 01:58.03 | ShadowJK | Sandisk has the best controller I know of, and that matters more for interactive response |
| 01:58.22 | cehteh | yes get the fastest sandisk card you can get |
| 01:58.32 | Guest79433 | oke |
| 01:58.37 | Guest79433 | thx for advices |
| 01:58.47 | cehteh | (well reall even a slower one will work) |
| 01:59.14 | Guest79433 | good night mates |
| 01:59.22 | cehteh | http://pastebin.com/z3azGxQM |
| 02:00.15 | cehteh | my uSD (not the fastest one) is even faster than the internal memory |
| 02:00.25 | cehteh | err wrong |
| 02:00.28 | cehteh | slower :P |
| 02:00.38 | cehteh | but not that much :) |
| 02:01.21 | wblaze | oops, yeah, I meant class-10 not 12, but you all get the idea, heh |
| 02:01.48 | cehteh | i dont remember what class mine is .. prolly class6 |
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| 02:04.49 | ShadowJK | class rating is somewhat meaningless |
| 02:05.46 | ShadowJK | In the sense that sandisk is the only one providing a real class rating |
| 02:05.47 | ShadowJK | whereas other manufacturers just run a benchmark program and slap on class rating according to results |
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| 02:06.44 | fdskjfsdl | ok, ok... I can survive with all my last n emails hehe |
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| 02:13.10 | fdskjfsdl | ty, cya |
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| 04:09.01 | Seta00 | hi, I tried to install nitdroid on my N900 and did something wrong, now the device is on a boot loop (sometimes it shows the multiboot screen with two empty options) |
| 04:09.09 | Seta00 | I'm trying to flash it to the factory settings |
| 04:09.18 | Seta00 | following http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 04:09.33 | Seta00 | here's what's happening: http://pastie.org/private/lccvd8atiymbmgm6ygowg |
| 04:09.37 | jiero | WHY Is the N900 slower than N950! It looks like |
| 04:09.59 | ShadowJK | why wouldn't it be.. |
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| 04:11.00 | ShadowJK | Seta00, tried removing battery, start flasher, plug in, insert battery? |
| 04:11.09 | Seta00 | yes |
| 04:11.33 | ShadowJK | I guess if battery is low it'd not flash :/ |
| 04:12.40 | Seta00 | crap |
| 04:13.09 | Seta00 | my friend has a universal charger, gonna try to use that so I don't need to buy a new one |
| 04:13.48 | Seta00 | ShadowJK, thanks! |
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| 07:21.09 | root___ | so many people here.... |
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| 07:44.30 | RST38h | ...Dissections have revealed that during this process the victim's organs will begin to convert into stuffing of various materials, including but not limited to cotton and polyester. Through the use of EEG it has been noted that the target is still conscious throughout this process... |
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| 07:52.10 | wazd | hello all |
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| 07:57.29 | RST38h | moo wazd |
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| 08:15.01 | wazd | RST38h: heya :) |
| 08:15.08 | wazd | ~seen javispedro |
| 08:15.10 | infobot | javispedro <~javier@Maemo/community/contributor/javispedro> was last seen on IRC in channel #harmattan, 8h 57m 58s ago, saying: 'I think this is clearly one application that should be locked'. |
| 08:15.28 | wazd | ooh, there's harmattan channel :D |
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| 08:15.45 | wazd | RST38h: how's it going? Got your device? :) |
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| 08:31.57 | nmjnb | I recently got 3G Internet from my provider again, but there seems to be some problem with the phone, it won't connect. I've been fooling around some, putting the "Kernel Power" kernel in etc. Any ideas on how to fix it? I tried reverting to normal kernel but I can't get a connection with my Win7 32bit. |
| 08:32.50 | nmjnb | clarification: The problem started after I got the power kernel, with the regular there were no problems. |
| 08:33.38 | ruskie | so swap back |
| 08:33.58 | nmjnb | yeah, as I said. I can't connect to the phone from my Win7 32bit |
| 08:34.09 | ruskie | why do you need to? |
| 08:34.21 | ruskie | you can do all the operations on the device |
| 08:34.38 | nmjnb | to use the maemo-flasher |
| 08:34.54 | nmjnb | really? |
| 08:35.34 | nmjnb | how? |
| 08:36.04 | ruskie | terminal and apt-get |
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| 08:37.26 | nmjnb | ok, but what should I get? |
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| 08:38.55 | ruskie | I think the original kernel package is just kernel ? |
| 08:38.57 | ruskie | so install that |
| 08:39.03 | ruskie | then kernel-flasher |
| 08:39.07 | ruskie | and it should reflash it |
| 08:39.17 | ruskie | all of this should be either on wiki or talk maemo.org |
| 08:40.25 | nmjnb | dpkg: parse error, in file `/var/lib/dpkg/status' near line 30874 package `angrybirds': |
| 08:41.26 | nmjnb | and it couldn't be removed from apt. I'll just try on the phone |
| 08:44.24 | nmjnb | can't uninstall it from the gui package manager either |
| 08:46.25 | ruskie | not uninstall |
| 08:46.27 | ruskie | INSTALL |
| 08:46.30 | ruskie | it should confilct |
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| 08:51.55 | nmjnb | very strange, there was a $ sign before a row of signs making problems for the parsing. Removed it in line 25733 in /var/lib/dpkg/available + same thing in /var/lib/dpkg/status but other place. Now it seems to work |
| 08:53.59 | nmjnb | so, how do I run that kernel-flasher now? |
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| 08:56.38 | ruskie | you first install kernel package |
| 08:56.41 | ruskie | then install kernel-flasher |
| 08:56.43 | ruskie | that will flash it |
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| 08:57.18 | nmjnb | ok, I had to do --reinstall |
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| 09:04.55 | nmjnb | now it's not booting at all |
| 09:05.27 | nmjnb | it shows the blue/white light and NOKIA logo, then goes black |
| 09:08.04 | kerio | cool story bro |
| 09:08.04 | kerio | is it bootlooping? |
| 09:08.04 | kerio | you're probably going to have to reflash |
| 09:08.10 | nmjnb | if I keep the usb-cable connected, it reboots, with the vibrator sounding and showing the NOKIA logo without backgroundlight for the screen, barely able to see it |
| 09:08.17 | nmjnb | kerio: yeah. That's what I think |
| 09:08.22 | kerio | >vibrator |
| 09:08.28 | kerio | lol |
| 09:08.30 | nmjnb | :P |
| 09:08.37 | kerio | anyway, remove battery now |
| 09:08.47 | kerio | before it's too drained to reflash |
| 09:08.56 | kerio | (unless you have an external charger too) |
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| 09:09.14 | nmjnb | no, I can just charge it in the phone |
| 09:09.20 | nmjnb | and it's not fully charged... |
| 09:09.23 | kerio | nope |
| 09:09.27 | kerio | you can't |
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| 09:09.34 | kerio | except with the emergency charge |
| 09:09.41 | kerio | so remove the battery *now* |
| 09:09.50 | nmjnb | it's already removed |
| 09:09.57 | kerio | then ok |
| 09:10.07 | kerio | you don't really need that much charge to reflash |
| 09:10.29 | nmjnb | ok, I don't know if you read my previous posts, but I've had trouble connecting to my Win7 32bit |
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| 09:11.11 | kerio | install ubuntu with wubi :) |
| 09:11.23 | nmjnb | what's wubi? |
| 09:11.36 | kerio | Windows UBuntu Installer |
| 09:11.50 | kerio | automatic installer that installs ubuntu in a disk image |
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| 09:12.17 | kerio | so you don't have to partition but you still have access to a real install |
| 09:12.17 | nmjnb | I've got a laptop running PC-BSD that I could use |
| 09:12.28 | kerio | see if it works there, then |
| 09:12.36 | kerio | laptops are actually preferrable imo |
| 09:12.40 | nmjnb | you recommend ubuntu? |
| 09:12.45 | kerio | or desktops with a UPS |
| 09:13.05 | nmjnb | I've got DSL on a disc that I can run live, I don't know if that's good enough |
| 09:13.25 | nmjnb | my laptop isn't charging so battery is 0% anyway.. lol.. |
| 09:13.32 | kerio | lol |
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| 09:21.25 | nmjnb | trying with wubi anyway.. |
| 09:22.17 | godtrunks | how can i make a script with commands and just clicking on it the phone do all the commands that they are in the script? |
| 09:22.39 | godtrunks | what tipe of file shoud be? |
| 09:23.49 | RST38h | Arrived at Sort Facility CINCINNATI HUB - USA 02:19 |
| 09:24.30 | RST38h | wazd: Currently wondering if it comes in time =) |
| 09:26.15 | godtrunks | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:26.44 | godtrunks | any ideas? |
| 09:26.53 | wazd | RST38h: http://i048.radikal.ru/1107/ea/705054bd53c7.png H* icon for DrNokSnes :) |
| 09:27.11 | wazd | RST38h: I guess you'll need something like this? :) |
| 09:27.25 | RST38h | wazd: Ah, coolio =) |
| 09:27.51 | RST38h | wazd: At some point, yes. I do think replacing console icons with their joypad icons is a nice idea =) |
| 09:28.25 | RST38h | wazd: Can you do the same for SMS, GB, NES, and GBA? =) |
| 09:28.32 | wazd | RST38h: sure :) |
| 09:28.40 | RST38h | (ah, and the Yamaha MSX arrow keys ;))) |
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| 09:29.15 | wazd | RST38h: I'm not sure bout SMS though, it has pretty much the same pad as Genesis |
| 09:29.22 | wazd | RST38h: or maybe I'm wrong |
| 09:29.39 | RST38h | wazd: Nope, it has got its own, but .RU versions came with the Genesis one |
| 09:29.40 | wazd | RST38h: anyway we can use 6 buttons for genesis :P |
| 09:30.13 | RST38h | wazd: http://www.arcadiaclub.com/img/emu/console/joypad_sms.JPG |
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| 09:30.24 | cityLights | hi all |
| 09:30.24 | wazd | RST38h: yeah, now I see |
| 09:30.29 | wazd | cityLights: hi |
| 09:30.31 | RST38h | wazd: http://segaretro.org/images/thumb/b/b8/Sms_joypad.jpg/200px-Sms_joypad.jpg |
| 09:30.55 | godtrunks | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:30.55 | cityLights | RST38h: any headlines with N900? |
| 09:31.12 | RST38h | OMG, please, let me unsee this: http://www.the-obd.com/dragon-usb-pc-12-keys-analog-joypad-gamepad-controller/ |
| 09:31.19 | cityLights | I managed to finnaly see xen working with kernel 3 |
| 09:31.34 | wazd | RST38h: awesome :D |
| 09:31.40 | RST38h | cityLights: Not really. Waiting for N950 to arrive, will work on the QML based versions then |
| 09:31.41 | cityLights | o ya, why didnt maemo use btrfs ? |
| 09:31.49 | cityLights | wasnt it suppose to use it? |
| 09:31.55 | joga | RST38h, won't the tail prick at you when you play? ;) |
| 09:32.05 | RST38h | May also switch N900 versions to transparent virtual keyboard |
| 09:32.19 | Tronic | cityLights: I wouldn't dare to use btrfs in a product yet. |
| 09:32.27 | RST38h | joga: Something makes me suspect this one is a girls only version |
| 09:32.40 | cityLights | btrfs looks promissing |
| 09:32.50 | joga | RST38h, I'm sure the vibration feels nice with that .. thing |
| 09:33.12 | RST38h | joga: But guys canhelp themselves too: http://www.the-obd.com/pc-ninja-usb-12-keys-analog-joypad-game-pad-controller/ |
| 09:33.23 | godtrunks | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:33.47 | joga | RST38h, at least the less endowed ones |
| 09:33.53 | Tronic | cityLights: Yes, but it is still "under heavy development" and there are no guarantees that even the disk format will stay compatible in future revisions. |
| 09:35.08 | godtrunks | some help here pls? |
| 09:36.54 | joga | godtrunks, you mean you want a desktop shortcut for your script? |
| 09:37.17 | godtrunks | no |
| 09:37.25 | godtrunks | i whant to create a file |
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| 09:37.55 | godtrunks | just open it with the terminal and take the commands they are inside |
| 09:38.11 | joga | you just want to create a script then? |
| 09:38.18 | godtrunks | yes |
| 09:39.30 | godtrunks | i whant to know what type of file shoud be |
| 09:39.41 | joga | create a file where the first line is #!/bin/sh (I use bash myself) and then write the script in it, then save and do chmod +x script.sh, then you can run it with ./script.sh in the same directory or link it somewhere |
| 09:39.45 | joga | just a plain text file |
| 09:40.29 | godtrunks | oke |
| 09:40.30 | joga | the first line ("shebang" line) tells what program to use to interpret it |
| 09:40.48 | godtrunks | oke |
| 09:40.49 | joga | in case of a shell script, usually /bin/sh or /bin/bash |
| 09:40.49 | godtrunks | thx |
| 09:48.40 | lardman | tunes in for the space shuttle landing |
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| 10:00.17 | Evanescence | where to place firefox icon when I want it be shown on desktop ? |
| 10:01.06 | ruskie | is it shown in the app list? |
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| 10:01.23 | ruskie | then just edit desktop -> add shortcut -> select it from there |
| 10:02.04 | Evanescence | ruskie: no, I mean I installed firefox, and no icon by default. I ask where to put an customized icon. |
| 10:02.20 | ruskie | /usr/share/applications/hildon/ I think |
| 10:02.30 | ruskie | that shuld put it in the applist |
| 10:02.38 | ruskie | then you just need to add it to the desktop |
| 10:02.51 | Evanescence | ruskie: thx |
| 10:03.01 | ruskie | check to see what's in the dir |
| 10:03.08 | ruskie | you should basically see all the ohter shortcuts in there |
| 10:03.21 | ruskie | it is under /usr/share/applications/ though |
| 10:04.54 | Evanescence | ruskie: all of them are *.desktop , is it ? |
| 10:05.00 | ruskie | yup |
| 10:05.11 | ruskie | those are shortcuts |
| 10:05.16 | ruskie | similar to .lnk on windows ;( |
| 10:05.18 | ruskie | erm ;) |
| 10:05.34 | Evanescence | I want to put one firefox.png |
| 10:05.47 | Evanescence | Oh, I forget, I should have a search with find command |
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| 10:06.18 | ruskie | I thought you wanted a shortcut |
| 10:07.12 | Evanescence | ruskie: no, I said, the default firefox has no icon. so I downloaded one to put it somewhere to let it shown |
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| 10:07.43 | ruskie | ahh |
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| 10:09.12 | ruskie | also I do notice that not all icons are shown after an install until after a reboot |
| 10:09.44 | Evanescence | ruskie: really, ok, reboot at first |
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| 10:31.46 | vi__ | is there anyone here??? |
| 10:32.02 | vi__ | who knows the dbus call to return track name/artist? |
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| 10:38.28 | vi__ | #why is this place so dead all of a sudden? |
| 10:38.58 | Hurrian | #define MAEMO_UNSUPPORTED |
| 10:39.10 | Hurrian | #define OLD_HARDWARE |
| 10:39.17 | Hurrian | #define ANDROID_SHINY |
| 10:39.19 | vi__ | nooooooooooooo |
| 10:40.01 | vi__ | Hurrian: do you know what dbus call to use to get mafw track metadata? |
| 10:40.09 | Hurrian | uhh, nope |
| 10:40.15 | ccooke | Meh. Android might be shiny, but there's a lack of actually compelling phones |
| 10:40.24 | Hurrian | anyways, it's quieted down here A LOT, and that's for the better |
| 10:40.39 | ccooke | Hurrian: Well, maemo *is* dead, right? :-) |
| 10:40.46 | Hurrian | personally, i won't use a phone until it has maemo-grade multitasking |
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| 10:42.33 | ccooke | won't use a phone without a keyboard and won't be able to get an N950. So... I'm stuck with android phones for now :-/ |
| 10:42.49 | ccooke | I keep hoping some other maemo phones will come out, but I'm not seeing anything interesting |
| 10:43.15 | ccooke | Heh. Wonder if anyone's got the n950 build to run on any Android hardware :-) |
| 10:44.09 | robbiethe1st | No |
| 10:44.09 | Hurrian | actually, if worse comes to worse, i may actually have to get a phone without hwkb |
| 10:44.37 | robbiethe1st | Heck, last I heard, Harmatten's somewhat locked down, and they were having trouble getting a compiled kernel to run |
| 10:44.48 | Hurrian | fine, as long as we have good tactile feedback (see the new Nokia symbian bricks) and Maemo multitasking |
| 10:45.04 | Hurrian | robbiethe1st, harmattan swaps on mtd5 |
| 10:45.11 | robbiethe1st | Yea, I know |
| 10:45.17 | Hurrian | oh, and it refuses to start UX on meego kernel |
| 10:45.28 | robbiethe1st | sounds about right |
| 10:45.29 | Hurrian | ah, the wonder of closed source |
| 10:45.54 | robbiethe1st | well, I'd be interested in a pure meego phone next; throw Cordia on it and that'd be decent |
| 10:46.09 | robbiethe1st | Best choice would be like Kubuntu Mobile + Hildon, but... |
| 10:46.23 | Hurrian | well, there aren't any reasonably-sized meego phones yet |
| 10:46.30 | vi__ | robbiethe1st: cordia is dead bro |
| 10:46.30 | Hurrian | uhh, Aava I guess |
| 10:46.32 | Hurrian | but it's intel |
| 10:46.39 | Hurrian | battery life = LOL |
| 10:46.53 | vi__ | LOL = Lots Of Life? |
| 10:46.56 | robbiethe1st | Well, I expect to keep a N900 for at least a year, maby two |
| 10:47.04 | robbiethe1st | By then there'd better be something better |
| 10:47.13 | Hurrian | as a nokia phone, i expect it to last at least 3 years |
| 10:47.17 | robbiethe1st | and N950 really isn't a step up |
| 10:47.26 | Hurrian | the n950 is a step nowhere |
| 10:47.37 | robbiethe1st | Well, yea... But I'm hard on my toys. :P |
| 10:47.50 | robbiethe1st | I think I've used it hard every day since I got it.. |
| 10:47.52 | vi__ | n950 is a rung below N9 up the ladder to nowhere |
| 10:47.55 | Hurrian | still omap3, thumb does shit for execution, same GPU, all we got as more RAM |
| 10:48.35 | Hurrian | as vi said on TMO, Nokia dropped the N9/50 before launch |
| 10:48.41 | vi__ | does mohammedag still hang here |
| 10:48.43 | vi__ | ? |
| 10:48.52 | Hurrian | yes, he's not always on IRC though |
| 10:49.03 | vi__ | when is best time to catch him? |
| 10:49.19 | Hurrian | ~8-12 hours ago |
| 10:49.25 | Hurrian | whenever that is |
| 10:50.17 | vi__ | I dont understand the N9 excitement. Everyone just got over being ditched on the n900. |
| 10:50.35 | vi__ | Now they are clamouring to get onboard somthing even more abandoned |
| 10:50.39 | Hurrian | vi++ |
| 10:50.50 | RST38h | wonders why vi is here |
| 10:50.50 | vi__ | WTF |
| 10:50.52 | robbiethe1st | Only people interested are the ones who got the free device |
| 10:50.59 | vi__ | Hurrian: tremulous? |
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| 10:51.02 | Hurrian | oh look, N9, no software updates, almost everything is closed source, and no SD |
| 10:51.10 | RST38h | Why not get an Android device and stop complaining? |
| 10:51.40 | Hurrian | RST38h , i do have a N1, AOSP is totally different from Maemo |
| 10:51.45 | vi__ | RST38h: becasue I want the n900 |
| 10:52.09 | vi__ | RST38h: I am here because I am trying to figure out how to get track meta data through dbus |
| 10:52.09 | Hurrian | i /want/ the maemo 5 style multitasking |
| 10:52.25 | vi__ | Hurrian: why did you just call me vi++? |
| 10:52.43 | RST38h | vi: Ok. Have you got the N900 already? |
| 10:52.55 | vi__ | RST38h: yes... |
| 10:52.56 | Hurrian | i agreed with your point |
| 10:53.01 | Hurrian | and btw, found this |
| 10:53.01 | Hurrian | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=72396 |
| 10:53.03 | vi__ | Hurrian: ok! |
| 10:53.28 | RST38h | vi: Ok. You wanted an N900. You have got an N900. You do not want anything else, neither Android nor N9. What are you unhappy about? |
| 10:53.43 | vi__ | vi__ uses the name vi++ on some online video games, wondered if he had infact fragged hurrian somwhere else. |
| 10:54.12 | ruskie | vi__, usually nick++ is a karma thing ;) |
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| 10:54.39 | vi__ | RST38h: I guess I am disappointed by the cooling off of interest in the N900 and annoyed by the increasing interest in the forthcvoming turkey. |
| 10:55.07 | ruskie | vi__, but it's new and shinny |
| 10:55.28 | Hurrian | vi__ , as somebody said, we sound like N8x0 owners around the time of Rover leaks |
| 10:55.55 | vi__ | Ok, I have this new pair of sunglasses that uses knives as legs. |
| 10:56.02 | vi__ | they are new therefore good. |
| 10:56.27 | vi__ | in the case of the n8x0, the replacement was touted as the next big thing. |
| 10:56.42 | vi__ | in the case of the N9, it is touted as not being supported. |
| 10:56.45 | vi__ | ever. |
| 10:56.50 | vi__ | even if it is a success. |
| 10:56.57 | flux | also: aegis :) |
| 10:57.01 | ruskie | vi__, I believe all the tablets were mostly not supported |
| 10:57.32 | vi__ | ruskie: yes, however at least nokia PRETENDED they WERE goign to support them. |
| 10:57.46 | vi__ | the 'reach around' if you will |
| 10:57.52 | ruskie | so for you it's enough if a company pretends to support something? |
| 10:57.54 | flux | hey, they provided multiple firmware upgrades for n900 |
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| 10:58.32 | vi__ | ruskie: obviously not. HOwever it is a step above outright disownership from the start. |
| 10:58.42 | ruskie | I always assumed when buying a n900 that updates from nokia will be nonexistant |
| 10:58.53 | vi__ | ruskie: fair enough. |
| 10:58.54 | ruskie | or mostly cosmetic |
| 10:59.12 | vi__ | ruskie: I was expecting at least a year |
| 10:59.13 | ruskie | which for me is mainly the same thing |
| 10:59.26 | ruskie | the only thing I consider suppored by the manufacturer is the hardware |
| 11:00.06 | ruskie | anyway finally decided on a tablet for myself... lenovo thinkpad tablet |
| 11:00.14 | robbiethe1st | And this is why I'm firmly in the OSS camp |
| 11:00.53 | ruskie | and I'm still crying inside that nobody at meego seems to be willing to actually make usable ux for the various device paradigms |
| 11:03.01 | Hurrian | ruskie, someone oughtta put huge bugfixes into MeeGo |
| 11:03.05 | wazd | RST38h: http://zhil.in/nes.svg :P |
| 11:03.12 | Hurrian | uhh, MeeGo Reference UX |
| 11:03.19 | Hurrian | it is the slowest POS i have ever used |
| 11:03.22 | ruskie | Hurrian, or hire some good UX designers and usability experts |
| 11:03.27 | Hurrian | slower than KDE, even |
| 11:03.32 | ruskie | I've watched the meego tablet ux yesterday |
| 11:03.36 | ruskie | ugh... |
| 11:03.42 | ruskie | the handset ux is also ugh... |
| 11:03.43 | Hurrian | lets see |
| 11:04.01 | Hurrian | netbook UX on dual-core x86, 1.5GHz |
| 11:04.06 | Hurrian | slow as **** |
| 11:04.21 | ruskie | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5I9yBigBW6c |
| 11:04.25 | Hurrian | handset UX on 600MHz phone, slow as **** and buggy |
| 11:04.35 | ruskie | well speed is a different thing |
| 11:04.54 | ruskie | I'm mainly disturbed by the usability of it |
| 11:04.55 | Hurrian | ruskie, wdym in terms of usability |
| 11:04.57 | nid0 | I've used the tablet ux on my atom tablet and it was smooth as silk |
| 11:05.11 | Hurrian | if it was snappy, i'd have no problem with all the sliding |
| 11:05.37 | Hurrian | not any better or worse than iOS |
| 11:05.58 | Hurrian | what you do need is... a complete meegotouch theme i guess |
| 11:05.59 | ruskie | I really don't get the point in all the sliding... and why have a bunch of tiny tiny panels that have stuff in... when you have a HUGE screen for a mobile device |
| 11:06.15 | Hurrian | ruskie, it gives a sense of place |
| 11:06.19 | ruskie | erm |
| 11:06.56 | lcuk | should this discussion be occuring in #meego? |
| 11:07.05 | ruskie | why? |
| 11:07.27 | lcuk | because you are talking about meego |
| 11:08.11 | lcuk | and if you actually want to try and do something about it and plan a next version which improves things it should be in the right place |
| 11:08.22 | Hurrian | k |
| 11:08.35 | Hurrian | ah right, now back into maemo talk |
| 11:08.46 | Hurrian | or at the very least, nokia devices that run linux |
| 11:08.48 | ruskie | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKRtTOMbOsY <-- this actually looks interesting for the ux |
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| 11:38.28 | RST38h | Operating profits declined 44 percent since Q1, 391 million Euro compared to 704, and net sales of mobile devices are down 23 percent over the same period -- 20 percent compared to Q2 last year. |
| 11:39.18 | RST38h | [Elop] says those who have seen the company's early Windows Phone devices (really, who hasn't) are "very optimistic" about their potential and that they will launch this year with a "sequence of concentrated product launches. |
| 11:39.46 | ruskie | hahahahahaha |
| 11:39.56 | Hurrian | lol |
| 11:40.08 | RST38h | According to Marketing Magazine, Elop & Co. have already devoted some ?80 million (about $127 million) to the six-month ad endeavor, which is expected to launch in October. |
| 11:40.27 | ruskie | I can see it now from punters... *buys winphuck7* *tries using it* *comes back* *smashes device into sales droid head* |
| 11:40.46 | RST38h | doubts step #1 is gonna happen |
| 11:41.03 | RST38h | But hell, with $127m in advertising, who knows... |
| 11:41.18 | ruskie | with all that money they could have crippled winpho7 and droid and possibly apple as well |
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| 11:42.25 | RST38h | BTW, if we assume $400/phone price tag, $127m = 317k phones |
| 11:44.22 | MohammadAG | explains the lack of N950s |
| 11:45.35 | chouchoune | RST38h: that would double the sales of WP7 from all the manufacturers involved ;) |
| 11:45.49 | ruskie | hehe |
| 11:45.49 | DocScrutinizer | robbiethe1st: seen my comment about mtd_debug yesterday? |
| 11:45.55 | robbiethe1st | Uh, no? |
| 11:46.28 | robbiethe1st | also, wow. First time I look at #maemo in several hours, start to type a comment and you say something to me. |
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| 11:49.50 | MohammadAG | does anyone know of a place that sells USB parts? |
| 11:49.57 | MohammadAG | something to use for soldering |
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| 11:50.22 | robbiethe1st | Ebay |
| 11:50.28 | ruskie | erm... any store that sells components? |
| 11:50.47 | MohammadAG | online |
| 11:50.52 | MohammadAG | besides ebay |
| 11:51.02 | MohammadAG | what's it called anyway? |
| 11:51.04 | robbiethe1st | Honestly, I have to say: Ebay has it, and probably very cheaply. Alternately, digikey. |
| 11:51.05 | MohammadAG | USB head? |
| 11:51.14 | robbiethe1st | Uh...? |
| 11:51.16 | ruskie | mauser isn't it as well? |
| 11:51.24 | robbiethe1st | mouser, but yes |
| 11:52.26 | DocScrutinizer | robbiethe1st: mhd_debig seems a stock binary on N900, and it knows (is supposed to know) how to read and *write* raw mtd |
| 11:52.40 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
| 11:53.00 | DocScrutinizer | robbiethe1st: thought you might be interested for backupmenu-1.2 |
| 11:53.47 | robbiethe1st | Interesting. But um... isn't that just a matter of essentially DD? IIRC, the problem I had was that the badblocks list is stored as data inside the UbiFS... reading/writing the data wasn't a problem |
| 11:54.07 | DocScrutinizer | [2011-07-20 19:13:58] <DocScrutinizer> IroN900:~# mtd_debug read /dev/mtd1ro 0 393216 CAL-backup.bin |
| 11:54.08 | DocScrutinizer | [2011-07-20 19:13:58] <DocScrutinizer> Copied 393216 bytes from address 0x00000000 in flash to CAL-backup.bin |
| 11:54.39 | robbiethe1st | Have you tried running DD on the same device and seeing if there's a difference? |
| 11:54.43 | robbiethe1st | Just curious |
| 11:54.44 | DocScrutinizer | robbiethe1st: mtd_debug should know how to handle badblocks |
| 11:55.07 | MohammadAG | dd on an mtd, eww |
| 11:55.11 | DocScrutinizer | robbiethe1st: (dd) useless as I have no bad blocks on my NNAD yet |
| 11:55.33 | robbiethe1st | Do you know how to get the list of bad blocks, if any? |
| 11:55.42 | DocScrutinizer | no |
| 11:55.44 | MohammadAG | cat /proc something |
| 11:55.53 | MohammadAG | or /sys, regardless, don't remember it, SpeedEvil might know it |
| 11:55.55 | MohammadAG | or ShadowJK |
| 11:55.57 | DocScrutinizer | even there no list |
| 11:56.07 | robbiethe1st | also, I thought NAND didn't have any real badblocks list, or wear levelling; doesn't it just expose the raw flash to software? |
| 11:56.12 | MohammadAG | afaik it returns a number, I had 4 |
| 11:56.27 | DocScrutinizer | yes, a number |
| 11:56.40 | DocScrutinizer | robbiethe1st: that's what mtd_debug is all about |
| 11:56.40 | lardman | Anyone happen to know if a DBus message is broadcast when an application is opened? |
| 11:56.54 | MohammadAG | yes |
| 11:56.58 | MohammadAG | Maemo 5? |
| 11:57.05 | lardman | Maemo5 and 6 |
| 11:57.22 | MohammadAG | Maemo 6 doesn't use DBus to launch afaik |
| 11:57.28 | lardman | got any pointers to the DBus strings MohammadAG |
| 11:57.33 | MohammadAG | Maemo 5 emits LaunchApplication |
| 11:57.34 | lardman | hmm, that's a shame |
| 11:57.39 | robbiethe1st | Interesting... |
| 11:57.48 | MohammadAG | there's NameOwnerChanged afaik |
| 11:58.23 | MohammadAG | lardman, http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1037567&postcount=8 |
| 11:58.24 | lardman | I need a way to monitor application start up and shutdown events, preferably not using a QTimer and checking pids |
| 11:58.47 | lardman | thanks MohammadAG |
| 11:59.15 | DocScrutinizer | robbiethe1st: there's also mtd_debug erase |
| 11:59.36 | DocScrutinizer | robbiethe1st: ...which might be needed prior to mtd_debug write |
| 11:59.44 | MohammadAG | out of curiosity lardman, what are you doing with that? |
| 12:00.08 | SpeedEvil | robbiethe1st: look in /sys/*ubi* |
| 12:00.13 | lardman | MohammadAG: Proximus, need to be able provide a way to trigger conditions when apps startup/shiutdown |
| 12:00.25 | MohammadAG | Proximus? |
| 12:00.40 | lardman | https://wiki.maemo.org/Proximus |
| 12:01.01 | lardman | I really need to push some more code to Garage, but I get strange SVN errors |
| 12:01.05 | lardman | I'll try again in a bit |
| 12:01.09 | MohammadAG | Gitorious ftw |
| 12:01.13 | MohammadAG | or github |
| 12:01.25 | lardman | I've not used git though, not sure I can be bothered to learn something new |
| 12:01.44 | MohammadAG | it's piss easy |
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| 12:02.57 | lardman | well I already have a Garage svn setup |
| 12:04.36 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, theoretically, is there a way to access an eMMC without its device |
| 12:04.56 | DocScrutinizer | please rephrase |
| 12:05.12 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, desolder an eMMC and try to access it |
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| 12:06.28 | DocScrutinizer | ~wiki JTAG |
| 12:06.41 | MohammadAG | Question 2 |
| 12:06.57 | MohammadAG | any idea where I can find ribbons for Nokia phones? |
| 12:07.03 | MohammadAG | an N95 specifically |
| 12:07.16 | DocScrutinizer | JTAG isn't documented in N900 schematics, as are some of the testpoints under batery |
| 12:07.31 | DocScrutinizer | FPC? |
| 12:07.46 | DocScrutinizer | aka display ribbon connector cable? |
| 12:09.00 | MohammadAG | display to mainboard |
| 12:09.34 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, probably the usual hw supplies may or may not offer it |
| 12:10.12 | DocScrutinizer | http://www.thenokiaparts.com/eng/product_search.php |
| 12:10.12 | flux | is it in any way possible to home-facture ribbon cables? |
| 12:10.19 | DocScrutinizer | no |
| 12:10.35 | DocScrutinizer | maybe botch |
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| 12:11.03 | DocScrutinizer | like "cut a sheet of plastic, use double sided sticky tape..." |
| 12:11.07 | flux | botch? as in ruin?-) |
| 12:11.22 | flux | hmm.. |
| 12:11.36 | flux | do they stell thin conductive sheets? |
| 12:11.37 | Hurrian | hmm, split open ribbon, solder, never use N95 slider again |
| 12:11.40 | Hurrian | sure is an option |
| 12:12.09 | DocScrutinizer | what are you after? |
| 12:12.14 | Hurrian | anyways, n95 ribbon was a common issue, parts should still be available |
| 12:12.24 | Hurrian | iirc it was worse for the 8GB models |
| 12:12.29 | RST38h | MohammadAG: to the question #1, yes, there is a way |
| 12:12.34 | flux | if you could somehow use the same techniques as you do for home developing circuit boards |
| 12:12.37 | flux | but maybe not then :) |
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| 12:12.46 | flux | perhaps you can just wire each conection separately.. |
| 12:12.48 | RST38h | MohammadAG: eMMC is a surface mounted version of MMC+ card |
| 12:12.58 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: obviously ther are several ways to access a component |
| 12:13.31 | flux | rst38h, surface mounted components can be desoldred? or is it somehow very annoyingly attached |
| 12:13.33 | RST38h | Doc: As long as it is MMC+, there is going to be exactly one way |
| 12:13.45 | RST38h | flux: they can be, not easily though |
| 12:13.55 | DocScrutinizer | flux: there's no raw unetched flex "PCB" you could use to DIY a FPC |
| 12:13.58 | RST38h | Doc: Covered in the MMC+ specification |
| 12:14.01 | Hurrian | flux, N900 EMMC detaches quite easily after a drop |
| 12:14.07 | flux | hurrian, :) |
| 12:14.35 | flux | so, all you need is some well directed force. |
| 12:14.40 | DocScrutinizer | flux: depends, sometimes components are glued |
| 12:14.43 | Hurrian | at least we aren't getting SoC detachings |
| 12:14.48 | flux | docscrutinizer, right, that can be tricky.. |
| 12:15.06 | RST38h | Doc: Ok, technically, there is going to be 4bit, 8bit, two clock frequencies and a legacy SPI mode for access, but let us just say it is all one way :) |
| 12:15.18 | flux | I'm guessing gluing isn't very suitable for standard manufacturing processes, though? |
| 12:15.29 | RST38h | Depends, again |
| 12:15.44 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: I'm honestly lost about what you're after |
| 12:15.54 | RST38h | Doc: it is ok |
| 12:16.29 | RST38h | Doc: just being sarcastic about MMC/SD protocol definitions being a freaking mess |
| 12:17.40 | DocScrutinizer | obviously you can access a eMMC a) via normal CPU and SoC interface, b) via JTAG, c) unsolder and mount to a new device, d) access in a ZIF socket + test-equipment, e) any other weird way you may imagine |
| 12:18.10 | RST38h | Does kissing it count as access? |
| 12:18.39 | DocScrutinizer | depends on purpose of "access" |
| 12:19.04 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG's question was fairly unprecise n that part |
| 12:19.11 | Hurrian | RST38h, enjoy kissing potentially non-RoHS compliant balls |
| 12:19.19 | Hurrian | */thatswhatshesaid |
| 12:19.44 | DocScrutinizer | LOL |
| 12:20.53 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: yes there is raw unetched flex-pcb. I have some UV sensitise UV flex-pcb right here. (well, 5m away in the attic) |
| 12:21.06 | flux | speedevil, cool |
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| 12:21.12 | DocScrutinizer | coool |
| 12:21.36 | DocScrutinizer | ever seen this before |
| 12:21.42 | DocScrutinizer | Never* |
| 12:21.57 | flux | need to keep that in mind, if I ever need to replace some flex :) |
| 12:22.00 | SpeedEvil | http://www.megauk.com/pcb_laminates.php |
| 12:22.06 | Hurrian | hmm, i thot flex PCB was some kind of magical sammich |
| 12:26.20 | DocScrutinizer | >>... which allows panels to be guillotined ...<< lovely |
| 12:27.59 | DocScrutinizer | and only GBP 22 for a 30*50cm sheet |
| 12:28.24 | DocScrutinizer | is this stuff solderable? |
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| 12:30.03 | SpeedEvil | It's 'normal' PCB. |
| 12:30.18 | SpeedEvil | Though IIRC it doesn't like overheating much |
| 12:30.26 | DocScrutinizer | lol, you bet |
| 12:31.18 | SpeedEvil | leaded is probably a better plan than lead-free |
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| 12:33.13 | DocScrutinizer | recently learned there are very special low-temp solders, with wismuth and whatnot, pushing eutecticum down by a good chunk of 100°C |
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| 12:33.44 | flux | hm, I wonder how low can my soldering station even go :) |
| 12:34.10 | DocScrutinizer | mine starts at 150°C |
| 12:34.26 | flux | docscrutinizer, so if you put your a device with that in a sunny place, it could literally melt :) |
| 12:36.21 | SpeedEvil | NaK solder melts at -40C |
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| 13:07.48 | DocScrutinizer | hehe |
| 13:08.01 | DocScrutinizer | wonders what's soldered with NaK |
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| 13:08.36 | DocScrutinizer | metallic Helium, on Saturn? |
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| 14:10.32 | ale152 | hello |
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| 14:13.32 | ale152 | i've a problem with my n900: i installed the Advanced Power App from the repo, then uninstalled it, and now everything is a mess! |
| 14:13.35 | ale152 | http://www.wirgilio.it/immagini/Screenshot-20110721-150841.png |
| 14:13.52 | ale152 | the battery icon is missing and the desktop icon are completely transparent! |
| 14:14.10 | ale152 | the calendar widget is missing |
| 14:14.59 | ale152 | how can i restore them? |
| 14:15.24 | BCMM | ale152: reboot? |
| 14:15.30 | ale152 | already done |
| 14:15.40 | mgedmin | reflash? |
| 14:15.44 | ale152 | i try to reboot, to apt-get autoremove, to purge all installation files... |
| 14:15.58 | ale152 | i don't like to reflesh... |
| 14:16.05 | ale152 | i'd like to solve the problem from the root :D |
| 14:16.09 | fusi | Queen_UK Elizabeth Windsor |
| 14:16.09 | fusi | Mr Jobs, there is no such thing as 'American English'. There is English and there are mistakes. |
| 14:16.13 | fusi | bwahaha |
| 14:17.20 | ale152 | any ideas? |
| 14:17.47 | ale152 | is there any file for the icons near the clock i can try to restore? |
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| 14:18.21 | BCMM | ale152: well, you can probably get the battery indicator back with powatool |
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| 14:18.58 | fusi | ale152: oh dear |
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| 14:19.28 | ale152 | mh, i'll try |
| 14:19.33 | fusi | re the shortcut backgrounds - there is a theme customiser tool that iirc enabled you to turn the shortcu background on and off |
| 14:19.41 | fusi | as for the statusbar im not so sure |
| 14:20.10 | fusi | have you tried reinstlling and uninstalling? |
| 14:20.16 | fusi | have you restarted? |
| 14:20.24 | fusi | ah already rbooted mk |
| 14:20.34 | ale152 | i just uninstalled everything i intalled before the problem |
| 14:21.35 | ale152 | powatool doesn't work :( |
| 14:21.51 | ale152 | i tried to uncheck and recheck the battery icon |
| 14:21.54 | fusi | theres a file somewhere that sortes the detail on the tatubar items |
| 14:21.57 | ale152 | but it still misses :( |
| 14:22.00 | fusi | cant recall where it is tho |
| 14:22.15 | fusi | 2secsd |
| 14:22.53 | fusi | /etc/hildon-desktop |
| 14:23.23 | fusi | status-menu.plugins |
| 14:23.53 | fusi | have a look in that file, see if there is anything glaringly wrong |
| 14:24.05 | ale152 | let me see |
| 14:25.22 | fusi | other than that im out of ideas |
| 14:25.26 | ale152 | seems to be ok: |
| 14:25.29 | ale152 | [status-area-applet-battery.desktop] |
| 14:25.29 | ale152 | X-Desktop-File=/usr/share/applications/hildon-status-menu/status-area-applet-battery.desktop |
| 14:25.29 | ale152 | X-Status-Area-Permanent-Item=Special-Item-1 |
| 14:25.29 | ale152 | X-Status-Menu-Position=1 |
| 14:26.16 | ale152 | mhhh |
| 14:26.27 | ale152 | /usr/share/applications/hildon-status-menu/status-area-applet-battery.desktop does not exist! |
| 14:26.45 | ale152 | no, it exists |
| 14:27.14 | fusi | :) |
| 14:27.38 | fusi | can only assume the unintall script of whatever it was didnt work correctly ;s |
| 14:27.52 | fusi | ad has left you with a half-baked system |
| 14:28.00 | ale152 | mh, i think i should reflesh :( |
| 14:28.04 | fusi | have you tried reinstalling the plugin? |
| 14:28.07 | fusi | i would tbh |
| 14:28.12 | fusi | looks a bit bork |
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| 14:28.34 | ale152 | mh, i'm trying reinstalling the plugin |
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| 14:28.58 | fusi | that might re-write whatever config is broken |
| 14:29.06 | fusi | just guesing here ;) |
| 14:29.46 | fusi | if u hang around long enough someone else will prolly have abetter answer |
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| 14:30.39 | ale152 | :O |
| 14:30.43 | ale152 | it worked :D |
| 14:30.57 | fusi | :D |
| 14:31.01 | ale152 | i have my battery icon! \o/ |
| 14:31.03 | fusi | \o/ |
| 14:31.07 | ale152 | thank you :D |
| 14:31.09 | fusi | o// \\o |
| 14:31.17 | fusi | my pleasure (: glad it worked |
| 14:31.22 | ale152 | now i have to restore icons background |
| 14:31.36 | fusi | 2secs there is a tool that does that.. |
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| 14:32.28 | fusi | yep, dl 'theme customiser' - in there there is a checkbox setting called 'show app shortcut backgrounds' |
| 14:32.43 | ale152 | thank you |
| 14:33.01 | fusi | yw, hf :) |
| 14:34.08 | ale152 | https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=6732&group_id=845&atid=3165 |
| 14:34.15 | ale152 | it's my bug! |
| 14:36.09 | fusi | :) |
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| 15:07.32 | DocScrutinizer | ale152: NEVER do apt-get autoremove ! |
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| 15:08.54 | DocScrutinizer | # autoremove kills rtcom-accounts-voip-support ->http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools |
| 15:09.23 | mgedmin | har har har |
| 15:09.26 | mgedmin | *sigh* |
| 15:09.40 | mgedmin | incidentally, I was happy to see /var/log/dpkg.log on a n950 |
| 15:09.40 | DocScrutinizer | actually it kills a fair bit more that just rtcom-accounts-voip |
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| 15:09.49 | mgedmin | right up to the point where I realized it's a decoy |
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| 15:10.08 | mgedmin | dpkg doesn't write to it; it just contains some ancient entries from the firmware image |
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| 15:14.11 | flux | :) |
| 15:14.55 | DocScrutinizer | ale152: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=70875 |
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| 15:15.27 | DocScrutinizer | wonders idly why *nobody* thanked on this post :-S |
| 15:17.08 | nid0 | there you go |
| 15:17.39 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
| 15:17.48 | DocScrutinizer | thanks for thanking |
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| 15:22.38 | fusi | 16:09 < DocScrutinizer> actually it kills a fair bit more that just rtcom-accounts-voip |
| 15:22.42 | fusi | eep |
| 15:22.53 | fusi | pretty sure ive done an autoremove before.. :s |
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| 15:23.41 | fusi | "To make the plastic case melt and burn your fingers and your cat" <-- lol (: |
| 15:23.58 | fusi | quite similar to the disclaimer i put on my software lol |
| 15:24.23 | fusi | only my software may actually *kill* your cat |
| 15:24.34 | fusi | and burn down your house.. |
| 15:24.38 | fusi | :> |
| 15:26.26 | fusi | aaah here is one |
| 15:26.29 | fusi | http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=492855 |
| 15:26.30 | fusi | tehe |
| 15:26.46 | fusi | it may also sleep with ur wife.. |
| 15:29.45 | GAN900 | How did the earnings call boost the stock price. . . . |
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| 15:42.38 | ruskie | http://www.reghardware.com/2011/07/21/fujitsu_windows_7_pc_phone/ |
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| 16:00.44 | wazd | ~seen javispedro |
| 16:01.01 | infobot | javispedro <~javier@Maemo/community/contributor/javispedro> was last seen on IRC in channel #harmattan, 16h 43m 49s ago, saying: 'I think this is clearly one application that should be locked'. |
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| 16:01.56 | slonopotamus | many people are never seen again after words like that |
| 16:02.13 | wazd | :D |
| 16:02.15 | mgedmin | :) |
| 16:03.25 | fusi | ruskie: good ol el reg |
| 16:03.45 | fusi | lol slonopotamus |
| 16:04.29 | wazd | http://zhil.in/snes.svg <- that icon looks a bit dark imo |
| 16:04.42 | wazd | but it uses native snes colors |
| 16:05.08 | fusi | nice |
| 16:05.12 | fusi | few highlights maybe |
| 16:05.27 | fusi | bump up the specular a bit |
| 16:09.56 | wazd | http://zhil.in/snes2.svg - that's better I guess |
| 16:11.14 | wazd | http://zhil.in/nes.svg <- anyway, nes one is perfect :D |
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| 16:27.00 | ale152 | DocScrutinizer, i've always done autoremove but it never have me sip problem... |
| 16:27.08 | ale152 | *gave |
| 16:27.48 | mgedmin | tries |
| 16:27.57 | mgedmin | sudo apt-get autoremove -> 0 to remove |
| 16:28.02 | mgedmin | I've never ran it before |
| 16:28.27 | mgedmin | maybe whoever had that problem had removed the metapackage that depended on it? |
| 16:28.58 | DocScrutinizer | aiui there are differences between complete flash and upgrade to new PR via SSU |
| 16:29.24 | DocScrutinizer | no, I definitely hadn't removed the metapkg |
| 16:29.25 | mgedmin | could be that as well |
| 16:29.39 | mgedmin | oh, I didn't realize that was you! |
| 16:29.49 | mgedmin | different nicknames on different sites = confusion for poor mgedmin |
| 16:30.53 | joerg_rw | sorry |
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| 16:33.10 | ale152 | mh, after about one year of experimenting, i think my n900 really need a reflesh... |
| 16:33.46 | ale152 | i remember when i tried to install gcc, make and tried to compile the symbolic library for octave... |
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| 16:34.08 | ale152 | and then had problem with root free space... |
| 16:34.19 | ale152 | yes, it's time to reflesh! |
| 16:35.25 | SpeedEvil | In future |
| 16:35.38 | SpeedEvil | copy / to /home/user/chroot or wherever - chroot into that - then install GCC there |
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| 16:37.54 | ale152 | uhm, nice :D |
| 16:38.36 | wazd | what's better to use for genesis icon, 3 buttons layout or 6? |
| 16:38.43 | wazd | I think 6 |
| 16:39.21 | ale152 | if i make a backup file "with settings", does it backup only system settings or every configuration file of every app? |
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| 16:45.41 | cehteh | ale152: only apps which are aware of the backup, so the shipped system apps and few more |
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| 16:49.23 | ale152 | but, if i have a messed system, should i backup my settings before reflesh? |
| 16:49.40 | cehteh | flash :D |
| 16:50.03 | ale152 | oh, sorry :D |
| 16:50.19 | ale152 | i've some problems with written english :( |
| 16:51.05 | cehteh | if in doubt you should just make a backup of everything using rsync |
| 16:52.18 | ale152 | ok, thank you |
| 16:53.01 | cehteh | backupmenu is also nice .. but for system files, not user data |
| 16:53.34 | cehteh | (well some it contains the configs too .. check out how it works) |
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| 18:16.25 | khuong | just updated to lion |
| 18:16.43 | khuong | kill my powerpc apps |
| 18:29.13 | merlin1991 | I need some tracker black magic |
| 18:29.31 | merlin1991 | I've embeded album art into some mp3s and it works, but |
| 18:29.36 | merlin1991 | 2 albums don't get the art |
| 18:29.45 | merlin1991 | and 1 has the wrong image |
| 18:29.56 | merlin1991 | (on the device that is, works fine on desktop) |
| 18:30.15 | merlin1991 | any ideas about hidden caches tracker might look at? |
| 18:30.28 | merlin1991 | I did tracker-processes -r |
| 18:30.33 | merlin1991 | so the db got pruned |
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| 18:52.15 | DocScrutinizer | .albumart? |
| 18:52.25 | DocScrutinizer | or whaever the name |
| 18:53.36 | DocScrutinizer | .mediaartlocal |
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| 19:00.59 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: funny thing is in .mediaarlocal there is the right file |
| 19:01.33 | merlin1991 | It seems like mawf has some weird cache somewhere |
| 19:02.42 | Sicelo | i assume you checked out http://wiki.maemo.org/Showing_album_art_in_the_Media_Player |
| 19:03.32 | RST38h | Called Tracker DB |
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| 19:17.50 | trumee | ~ping |
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| 19:18.01 | trumee | ~ping |
| 19:18.01 | infobot | ~pong |
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| 19:21.46 | hiemanshu | trumee: got your N950? |
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| 19:22.20 | trumee | hiemanshu, never applied for one. |
| 19:22.31 | hiemanshu | ah |
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| 19:32.01 | merlin1991 | 2 reboots and track-db resets later it works like expected |
| 19:32.03 | merlin1991 | lol |
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| 19:32.50 | trumee | can hotpot be fed with internet coming from a laptop? |
| 19:33.01 | trumee | s/hotpot/hotspot |
| 19:33.57 | trumee | i have an ethernet connection and the laptop ipw2200 doesnt support AP mode :( |
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| 19:45.51 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2011/07/shall-we-play-a-game |
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| 21:05.22 | khuong | hi admiral0 |
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| 22:27.56 | MohammadAG | Back home :D |
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