| 00:00.00 | fusi | o harro |
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| 00:03.38 | harddarkoo | HI. Is rtl8187 supported in kernel-power 47? |
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| 00:15.59 | Termana | good morning |
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| 00:43.25 | jiero | hi, Im here to ask if anybody have similar problem of standby? My N900 power drop very fast while stand-by, usually 10% each 2 hours... |
| 00:44.21 | SpeedEvil | Have you got anything that updates itself in the background, or a very short laucher menu? |
| 00:45.25 | jiero | SpeedEvil: soz, I don't know... top tells me Xorg used the most CPU time. thats what I know |
| 00:45.52 | jiero | very short launcher menu? is it a kind of theme? |
| 00:46.22 | SpeedEvil | no |
| 00:46.38 | SpeedEvil | ssh in |
| 00:46.39 | SpeedEvil | top |
| 00:46.44 | SpeedEvil | with screen locked |
| 00:46.57 | SpeedEvil | afk now anyay - sleep - sorry |
| 00:48.32 | jiero | I don't know about SSH... no other way ? |
| 00:50.07 | DocScrutinizer | powerkernel? alternative applauncher menues? |
| 00:50.36 | DocScrutinizer | can you scroll your applauncher menu up and down? |
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| 00:53.42 | DocScrutinizer | meh, ok |
| 00:54.02 | DocScrutinizer | got other things to do as well |
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| 01:15.23 | jiero | yes, I can |
| 01:15.30 | jiero | its powerkernel |
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| 01:41.59 | RiD | lol... |
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| 02:35.14 | ScribbleJ | Can someone confirm for me that the N900 can only operate one of the two cameras at a time? |
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| 02:48.31 | antman8969 | sec ScribbleJ |
| 02:49.14 | Hurrian | !seen MohammadAG |
| 02:50.36 | antman8969 | well if you minimize an application using the camera it puts it into standby... not sure if there was another way to test |
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| 02:55.00 | ScribbleJ | I'm pretty sure it's the case. |
| 02:55.22 | ScribbleJ | I've compiled a copy of 'monitor' intending to use te N900 as a security device, and it works fine - for one cam at a time. |
| 02:55.35 | ScribbleJ | Whichever one I try to open second, with the first still open, fails. |
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| 03:03.40 | holmesII | is there any way to get the power comsumption of a specific device |
| 03:03.52 | holmesII | like wifi, or bluetoothe in maemo 5? |
| 03:06.38 | psycho_oreos | maybe through using batteryeye, batterygraph or something similar along those lines. powertop might also help |
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| 03:11.33 | holmesII | those monitor the whole battery power only. |
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| 03:21.29 | psycho_oreos | indeed, though if you ran it without enabling wifi, bluetooth, GPS, cell, iR, etc, etc, etc wouldn't you get the nominal set of power consumption to base the figures on for deducting when running any of those other chips? |
| 03:28.49 | Hurrian | any maemo gurus up? |
| 03:29.24 | Hurrian | wonder if i can move rootfs to emmc without using the mess that is symlinks |
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| 03:41.22 | MohammadAG | sup Hurrian |
| 03:47.06 | Hurrian | ohai MAG |
| 03:47.43 | Hurrian | hmm, i wonder if a custom kernel file can have root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 |
| 03:49.03 | Hurrian | and mtdswap on mtd5 |
| 03:49.39 | Hurrian | that's some real fast swap |
| 03:49.39 | MohammadAG | yes, and of course, Maemo 5 will break |
| 03:50.59 | Hurrian | D: |
| 03:51.15 | Hurrian | is anything hardcoded to use mtd5? |
| 03:51.18 | Hurrian | i dont think so |
| 03:51.35 | MohammadAG | I wouldn't be surprised |
| 03:51.35 | Hurrian | iirc the cruft in M5 is only hardcoded to use mmcblk0p1 |
| 03:51.56 | MohammadAG | yeah, and mmcblk0p3, right |
| 03:52.00 | MohammadAG | hmm |
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| 03:52.25 | Hurrian | if we shrink mmcblk0p1 and make mmcblk0p2 larger, we'll have no problemoz |
| 03:52.44 | Hurrian | only problem would be booting mmcblk0p2 without touching mtd5 |
| 03:52.51 | Hurrian | that's what i hate about the move script |
| 03:53.08 | Hurrian | oh, and we can shrink mmcblk0p3 to 512MB |
| 03:53.14 | Hurrian | 768 is ridiculous |
| 03:53.14 | MohammadAG | wait wait wait |
| 03:53.33 | MohammadAG | mmcblk0p2 is /home |
| 03:53.37 | MohammadAG | where do you plan on putting that? |
| 03:54.07 | Hurrian | MohammadAG -- / |
| 03:54.12 | Hurrian | oops |
| 03:54.22 | Hurrian | we'll need to either rebuild every single thing |
| 03:54.28 | Hurrian | or make mmcblk0p4 rootfs |
| 03:54.35 | MohammadAG | imho, swapping rootfs and swap sounds saner |
| 03:54.38 | Hurrian | i'm going for the second option |
| 03:55.14 | Hurrian | mmcblk0p1 MyDocs p2 /home p3 swap p4 / mtd5 mtdswap |
| 03:55.31 | Hurrian | ...and we don't break anything except for the booting |
| 03:55.45 | Hurrian | oh, reminds me, we need to get rid of genfstab |
| 03:55.51 | Hurrian | because we wont need it |
| 03:56.29 | Hurrian | sdcard can be autodetected and mounted via HAL, i guess |
| 03:56.40 | Hurrian | or was it dbus |
| 03:56.42 | Hurrian | or udev |
| 03:56.44 | Hurrian | anyways |
| 03:57.18 | Hurrian | wait, why do we need to make mmcblk0p4? |
| 03:57.46 | Hurrian | does anything actually manually remount p2 and be anal as to whether it just has home files? |
| 03:58.55 | Hurrian | home/crapp-app should be THE path that it uses, and filesystems wont matter |
| 03:59.36 | MohammadAG | just swap mtd5 and mmcblk0p3 |
| 04:00.33 | Hurrian | sooner or later, people are going to ask for more space on root |
| 04:00.45 | Hurrian | also, a lot of scripts on TMO think p3 is swap |
| 04:00.57 | MohammadAG | their fault |
| 04:01.00 | Hurrian | i dont think mkswap'ing rootfs would be good |
| 04:01.11 | Hurrian | people should really use sfdisk + grep |
| 04:01.59 | Hurrian | mmcblk0p2 is universally recognized as a "system apps" partition, might as well dump it there |
| 04:02.05 | MohammadAG | sudo blkid | grep swap | awk '{print $1}' | sed 's/://g' |
| 04:02.24 | MohammadAG | swap=sudo blkid | grep swap | awk '{print $1}' | sed 's/://g' then use $swap, rather than hardcoding |
| 04:04.10 | Hurrian | MAG , every script will need a good comb-over |
| 04:04.56 | Hurrian | why not make /home and / the same, everything that calls a file in /home will get the file |
| 04:04.59 | Hurrian | no muss no fuss |
| 04:05.00 | MohammadAG | again, not your problem |
| 04:05.53 | Hurrian | oh well, back to the original problem, no one knows how to make the kernel flashed in mtd device boot the mmcroot directly |
| 04:06.03 | Hurrian | we /could/ use a hacked up uboot |
| 04:06.19 | Hurrian | or we could figure out how to use initfs |
| 04:06.44 | MohammadAG | umm why? |
| 04:07.03 | MohammadAG | what's wrong with using root=/dev/mmcblk0p3 |
| 04:07.20 | Hurrian | does nolo read that? |
| 04:07.39 | MohammadAG | NOLO just boots up the kernel |
| 04:07.49 | Hurrian | ah |
| 04:08.02 | Hurrian | it'd be great if we could simply pass the parameter |
| 04:08.18 | MohammadAG | I'm sure it'll work |
| 04:08.48 | MohammadAG | use flasher-3.5 -k zImage -l --boot="custom cmdline" to test it |
| 04:09.28 | Hurrian | that's nice |
| 04:10.09 | Hurrian | sadly, mtdswap only went mainline very recently |
| 04:10.36 | Hurrian | weirdly enough, mtdswap was added into mainline by a Nokian |
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| 04:13.15 | MohammadAG | mtdswap is on the N9 |
| 04:13.19 | MohammadAG | on 2.6.32 |
| 04:14.53 | Hurrian | well, we're talking about the N900 |
| 04:15.01 | Hurrian | and swapping on mtd doesnt seem too bad |
| 04:15.24 | Hurrian | sure, you'll damage the flash |
| 04:15.45 | Hurrian | but as long as other PEBs arent touched, it's all good |
| 04:16.04 | Hurrian | and most of all, OneNAND R/W is blazing fast |
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| 04:45.49 | psychologe | hello everybody i have a problem about easy debain ,when i goto debian chroot,and execute command:apt-get update,and apt-get upgrade .when download upgrade package to replace old package,my n900 reboot,then i can't open debain LXDE,so i must download imageing again! |
| 04:46.50 | psychologe | everyone had same problem |
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| 04:59.28 | Hurrian | psychologe, enable sid repository |
| 04:59.35 | Hurrian | disable lenny repos |
| 04:59.39 | Hurrian | then upgrade |
| 05:01.05 | Hurrian | uhh |
| 05:01.08 | Hurrian | dist-upgrade |
| 05:19.51 | psychologe | yes i enable all repos |
| 05:21.24 | psychologe | disable lenny repos,i will try it ,thanks very much |
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| 06:07.30 | RST38h | Changes to Linux 3.0 code: Redhat:1000, Intel:839, Microsoft:361, independent open source developers:1085 |
| 06:07.59 | Hurrian | rst38h, look up what the changes actually are |
| 06:08.09 | Hurrian | they're support for microsoft's shitty hyper-v |
| 06:08.15 | RST38h | Hurrian: yea, but given the number of patches it is somewhat difficult |
| 06:08.17 | robbiethe1st | Yea |
| 06:08.18 | RST38h | Ahhahaha |
| 06:08.49 | Hurrian | i actually tried to use Hyper-V as a replacement for triple booting |
| 06:08.49 | RST38h | Next time someone tells you that Linux is the result of independent developers' selfless labor though, point them to these stats. |
| 06:09.13 | Hurrian | even WINDOWS doesn't have hardware direct X acceleration |
| 06:09.18 | Hurrian | what the fuuuuuuuuuuu------- |
| 06:09.35 | Hurrian | not to mention it screws over host performance |
| 06:09.59 | RST38h | Ah, screw the HyperV and virtualization in general. |
| 06:10.07 | derf | RST38h: The fact that "independent" developers still outnumber any single vendor is actually impressive. |
| 06:10.52 | RST38h | derf: not the developers, the number of patches |
| 06:11.05 | RST38h | derf: So, I would take these numbers with a grain of salt anyway |
| 06:11.07 | derf | Well, developers weighted by contributions, I meant. |
| 06:11.13 | RST38h | Ah |
| 06:11.21 | Hurrian | ah crap, i forgot to separate EXT4's journal |
| 06:11.27 | derf | Intel actually won by lines changed this release. |
| 06:11.28 | Termana | Also: does that statistic differentiate between when someone is sending it in as apart of their job and when they are sending it in independently but from a work email. Probably not |
| 06:11.41 | RST38h | derf: They merged in the Meego? :) |
| 06:11.47 | Hurrian | somebody should run the changes by LOC |
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| 06:12.02 | Hurrian | changes mean jack if it's all: change tabs to spaces |
| 06:12.21 | Termana | And the exact same thing is true the other way around, the statistic doesn't show when someone who is doing it for their job but contributes it under a non-work email address |
| 06:12.34 | RST38h | doubts those MS or Redhat engineers were changing tabs to space |
| 06:13.00 | derf | But, as Jonathan Corbet says, "The percentage of changes from hobbyists continues to drop; whether that's a bad thing (the kernel is becoming increasingly unapproachable to volunteer developers) or a good thing (it's impossible for anybody who can hack the kernel to remain unemployed) is still not clear." |
| 06:13.04 | Termana | Plus, 86.73% of statistics are made up |
| 06:13.53 | Hurrian | who cares if changes drop, we need quality code, not 1000+ more drivers in staging |
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| 06:14.21 | derf | Hurrian: Vendors tend to work on drivers for their hardware. |
| 06:14.29 | derf | So that would be the opposite of what you're asking for. |
| 06:15.37 | derf | I.e., a big hunk of Intel's LOC changed was getting the iio driver merged. |
| 06:15.41 | RST38h | would say linuxoids need a driver ABI first of all |
| 06:15.58 | RST38h | But it looks like this goes against their open source dogma |
| 06:16.03 | derf | They don't think they need one. |
| 06:16.30 | derf | And they've done pretty well with their open-source dogma so far. |
| 06:17.02 | derf | Really, I can't think of a closed-source Linux driver that _wasn't_ a pile of shit. |
| 06:17.05 | RST38h | mmm...dunno. been there, it is a mess. |
| 06:17.21 | RST38h | derf: lack of cleanly defined ABI is one ofthe reasons |
| 06:17.41 | Termana | RST38h, I've set my laser from stun, to kill. |
| 06:17.52 | RST38h | derf: so, just hoping some arrogant Redhat fuck adds the driver ABI one day |
| 06:18.11 | Termana | RST38h just went OS X |
| 06:18.17 | RST38h | ahhaha |
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| 06:18.55 | RST38h | have you accepted Steve Jobs as your Savior then? |
| 06:19.11 | Termana | Heil Jobs |
| 06:20.08 | derf | RST38h: Still, the lack of a driver ABI _helps_ the open-source drivers. |
| 06:20.25 | derf | It means people have to look at that code when the ABI changes, which means more eyes to spot bugs. |
| 06:20.30 | RST38h | maybe it does, bad for the users though |
| 06:21.01 | derf | I don't believe that. |
| 06:21.09 | derf | Code that hasn't been reviewed is terrible code. |
| 06:21.19 | derf | Code that was written on a deadline is terrible code. |
| 06:21.20 | RST38h | terrible code is better than no code |
| 06:21.33 | derf | For a driver? |
| 06:21.36 | RST38h | yes |
| 06:21.40 | derf | You just buy a different piece of hardware. |
| 06:21.50 | RST38h | not if you have got a laptop |
| 06:22.01 | derf | You buy a different laptop. |
| 06:22.12 | derf | There's not much out there for which there isn't a nearly identical substitute. |
| 06:22.39 | RST38h | feels there is something wrong with the "buy a different laptop" suggestion |
| 06:23.06 | Termana | RST38h, I always knew you would be the first lollygagging degenerate to fall out of the godly Linux ranks. I am disappoint. But you can save yourself through generous donations to the Free Software Foundation |
| 06:23.20 | Termana | :p |
| 06:24.05 | derf | RST38h: Seriously... I have unusual tastes in laptops, and I've never failed to find out that did what I wanted (as much as that was possible) and _also_ supported Linux. |
| 06:24.21 | RST38h | Termana: never been in the ranks really |
| 06:24.31 | RST38h | Termana: Historically, I have been using FreeBSD. |
| 06:24.38 | derf | In fact, I'm curious which laptop you have in mind that doesn't support Linux. |
| 06:24.46 | Termana | A-HA! I KNEW IT |
| 06:24.51 | Termana | traitor from the inside! |
| 06:25.02 | Termana | high treason on the poop deck sire! |
| 06:25.23 | RST38h | Linux works though, but I can't stop thinking of it as a toy (even though the current incarnationis fairly usable) |
| 06:25.27 | harddarkoo | Hi. I wonder to know if rtl8781 is supported by power kernel 47 or I have to compile it in the scratchbox? |
| 06:25.43 | RST38h | derf: Anything with powerVR |
| 06:25.52 | RST38h | derf: Anything from Sony, I am sure |
| 06:26.06 | Termana | RST38h, if Linux is a toy, what does the make FreeBSD? What particularly makes FreeBSD any better? |
| 06:26.18 | derf | They make laptops with powerVR chips in them? |
| 06:26.35 | Termana | I would argue that FreeBSD has a WORSE driver situation. |
| 06:26.38 | robbiethe1st | derf: I've never heard of them... |
| 06:26.44 | derf | robbiethe1st: Me either. |
| 06:26.44 | Termana | that make* |
| 06:26.46 | robbiethe1st | I've only seen Intel, AMD and Nvidia chips |
| 06:26.51 | RST38h | Termana: BSD is being written by aging bearded guys who know how things SOULD work =) |
| 06:27.04 | derf | http://www.linux-laptop.net/sony.html would suggest that Sony works to at least some degree. |
| 06:27.14 | robbiethe1st | Oh wait. One Intel chip is actually a PowerVR |
| 06:27.21 | robbiethe1st | Intel 500 I think it is... |
| 06:27.21 | RST38h | Termana: Linux is being written by redeyed geeks who just-want-to-ave-fun |
| 06:27.28 | RST38h | hehes evilly |
| 06:27.41 | RST38h | GMA500 is Intel's name for PowerVR |
| 06:27.51 | RST38h | it is used in netbook Atom chips |
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| 06:28.05 | RST38h | derf: Always "some degree" with Sony =( |
| 06:28.29 | derf | "Ubuntu supports GMA500 (Poulsbo) through the ubuntu-mobile and gma500 repositories on Launchpad. Support is present for 8.04, 8.10, 9.04, 9.10 and in an experimental way for 10.04 and 10.10, but the installation procedure is not as simple as other drivers and can lead to many bugs." |
| 06:28.33 | RST38h | derf: On the other hand, I am not buying Sony, so unless my wife suddenly wants a Linux install... |
| 06:29.00 | Termana | RST38h, but... but... but... Linux has Linus, who waddles and talks like a penguin! And Greg, who I have a whole funny head, mouth and voice impersonation for. |
| 06:29.02 | Termana | On the other hand, I am exactly like Theo De Raadt from OpenBSD. |
| 06:29.03 | RST38h | derf: Yes, they are putting it in such a polite way :) |
| 06:29.07 | Termana | An arsehole, all the time. |
| 06:29.10 | Termana | :p |
| 06:29.17 | derf | I've never bought Sony, either, but usually because they didn't sell what I wanted or at the right price, not because of anything to do with Linux. |
| 06:29.50 | RST38h | Termana: Hey, Linux has got Lennart! =) |
| 06:30.08 | Termana | :P |
| 06:30.25 | RST38h | Termana: And Hans Reiser too! |
| 06:30.36 | derf | I don't think we have him anymore. |
| 06:30.47 | RST38h | no, no, you won't be able to disown him =) |
| 06:30.47 | derf | The California Department of Corrections has him. |
| 06:30.48 | Termana | RST38h, hey, I'm not a murderer. I just said arsehole :p |
| 06:30.53 | Termana | lol |
| 06:31.00 | RST38h | he is on loan to SDC |
| 06:31.22 | RST38h | Termana: He has been both, as far as I reckon |
| 06:31.23 | Termana | permanent loan to anyone else. They can keep him. |
| 06:31.37 | RST38h | CDC, sorry |
| 06:31.50 | Termana | So there you have it folks. That's why Theo De Raadt doesn't work on Linux |
| 06:31.58 | Termana | It'll turn him into a murderer |
| 06:32.35 | RST38h | uses this quiet moment to ask the Tentacled One about punishing Steve Jobs with hemorrhoids for the island keyboards he introduced |
| 06:32.50 | RST38h | Termana: Good point. |
| 06:33.01 | derf | Technically CDCR. |
| 06:33.09 | derf | "and Rehabilitation". |
| 06:33.28 | RST38h | wonders how rehabilitation would be defined in the case of Hans Reiser |
| 06:33.54 | derf | He recovered successfully from the beatings the other inmates gave him? |
| 06:34.05 | Termana | So... who do you think would win in a death match out of Hans Reiser, Theo working on Linux and Lennart? |
| 06:34.17 | robbiethe1st | All I can say about Linux is that after using it, I *cannot* go back to windows. Not XP, and not W7. they just feel "sluggish", even on the fastest quad-core processors. |
| 06:34.34 | RST38h | robbie: Works for me. |
| 06:34.39 | RST38h | switches back and forth easily |
| 06:35.07 | RST38h | derf: No, there should be a catharsis of sorts! |
| 06:35.11 | robbiethe1st | Especially for things like USB Mass Storage stuff, which wouldn't let me view directories on my flash drive during a file-copy operation. OSX and linux both have no issues. |
| 06:37.37 | RST38h | Nobody using QNX? Strange! |
| 06:37.45 | robbiethe1st | Thing is, I'm one of those people who disables/speeds up most transitions because they're too slow: anything over about 200ms feels sluggish. I also tend to max out anything less than a hefty dual-core in normal operation, simply by doing too many things at once... |
| 06:38.42 | Termana | RST38h, anyone with a Blackberry PlayBook? (did they even end up releasing that thing?) |
| 06:40.16 | RST38h | yes, the news say they have |
| 06:40.24 | RST38h | never seen one though |
| 06:40.57 | robbiethe1st | Ooh, nice! 340 BackupMenu 1.1 installs since I released it last night. |
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| 06:58.37 | Hurrian | @RST38h , still using proprietary *nixes in 2011? strange! |
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| 07:14.49 | harddarkoo | Hi all. is there anybody to help me? |
| 07:15.56 | harddarkoo | I think power kernel v47 has the modules for the rtl8187 but I dont know the names for modules to insmod/modprobe them. |
| 07:17.06 | harddarkoo | Can you tell me what to insmod or should I compile the modules myself for v47? |
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| 07:50.36 | Sicelo | \0/ robbiethe1st for BM. /me will upgrade soon |
| 07:53.02 | robbiethe1st | Always a good thing |
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| 08:09.39 | blck | hey, can somebody help me? I really need to reflash my N900 with both images (emmc first), but he keeps telling me: "Error APE-Algorithm has to be provided to flash all the subimages". I'm using Windows 7 |
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| 08:12.31 | blck | has anybody seen this error before? |
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| 08:18.03 | n900bricked | hey, can somebody help me? I really need to reflash my N900 with both images (emmc first), but he keeps telling me: "Error APE-Algorithm has to be provided to flash all the subimages". I'm using Windows 7 |
| 08:18.32 | robbiethe1st | No clue. ask on the forums |
| 08:19.00 | n900bricked | thanks |
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| 08:28.03 | Shapeshifter | RST38h: qnx? |
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| 09:25.53 | V13 | hello. |
| 09:26.43 | V13 | I'm struggling to install the meego SDK. I've got the N950 and I can't develop (!@##$@) |
| 09:26.46 | V13 | any help ? |
| 09:27.01 | dm8tbr | /join #harmattan |
| 09:27.04 | V13 | thnks |
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| 09:54.24 | trumee | anybody using Sygic maps? |
| 09:54.59 | trumee | I cant find it in Ovi store anymore. Was wondering if there is any .install file? |
| 09:56.20 | joga | trumee I tried to find it a while ago...I guess they don't sell it anymore for N900 |
| 09:56.38 | joga | didn't try asking them though |
| 09:57.27 | trumee | joga: i have a licensed copy from them which i bought from them sometime ago. I want to install it again |
| 09:58.56 | joga | trumee, oh...then I suppose it's best to contact them |
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| 11:42.19 | Evanescence | how to flash N900 on linux ? |
| 11:43.08 | RiD | Evanescence: http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware :) |
| 11:44.14 | Evanescence | RiD: I have readed that wiki. But can not find commands for linux. only one on wiki. different with youtube video. but I can not see clearly on video. that font is too small. |
| 11:45.35 | psycho_oreos | there's actually more than one command on the same wiki page |
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| 11:46.35 | RiD | I flashed my phone yesterday on Ubuntu following the instructions of that wiki. Take a look on the Linux section |
| 11:48.05 | Evanescence | ok |
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| 12:05.24 | Evanescence | flashing eMMC will clear MyDocs ? Did I need to flash eMMC if my N900 can not startup ? BTW, what is stored in MyDoc ? |
| 12:06.52 | psycho_oreos | 1) yes flashing eMMC will clear MyDocs and anything in /home/user, 2) It depends, first flash fiasco before flashing both, 3) User stuff, like photos, music, etc |
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| 12:11.21 | vi__ | MohammadAG: yo dog |
| 12:11.40 | Evanescence | psycho_oreos: so three steps: flashing fiasco -> eMMc -> firmware ? and is there some configurations or settings in MyDoc ? just like ubuntu, If I want to keep using old Home. I should keep it, not format it ? |
| 12:12.03 | vi__ | MohammadAG: i dont know if you still maintain the phone-control script but i have found a bug |
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| 12:12.40 | vi__ | MohammadAG: the 'resume' coomand |
| 12:12.53 | psycho_oreos | Evanescence, I'd flash fiasco first if Iãhave anything useful in MyDocs, if you are unsure just flash fiasco first. If that fails or if you have nothhing to lose then you flash eMMC and fiasco |
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| 12:13.18 | niv_ | does anyone here use xen and gentoo |
| 12:13.19 | niv_ | ? |
| 12:13.24 | niv_ | I am seeking help |
| 12:14.08 | vi__ | MohammadAG:is set to 'play' instead of 'resume'. this means unpausing with phone control restarts the song |
| 12:14.16 | vi__ | MohammadAG: which sucks |
| 12:14.33 | vi__ | MohammadAG: for my sms > espeak reader |
| 12:14.56 | vi__ | MohammadAG: have a nice day bro |
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| 12:15.10 | vi__ | niv_: it seems unlikley mate |
| 12:15.22 | psycho_oreos | niv_, tried #gentoo ? |
| 12:15.28 | vi__ | have you tried #gentoo? |
| 12:15.34 | niv_ | yes |
| 12:15.34 | vi__ | bah! |
| 12:15.51 | Evanescence | psycho_oreos: confused now, ok at first. if I want to continue using old /home/user, I should flash fiasco ? Is the steps fiasco -> eMMc -> firmware ? |
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| 12:16.12 | psycho_oreos | Evanescence, it is fiasco ONLY |
| 12:16.18 | vi__ | Evanescence: ONLY flash rootfs |
| 12:16.23 | psycho_oreos | not fiasco -> eMMC -> firmware |
| 12:16.31 | vi__ | Evanescence: i.e. fiasco only |
| 12:16.33 | Evanescence | oh. I see. |
| 12:17.02 | vi__ | :q |
| 12:17.09 | psycho_oreos | and there's only two parts, fiasco and eMMC, no such thing as firmware.. or rather firmware is just fiasco |
| 12:17.25 | niv_ | when I boot my domU using genkenrel my rootfs appears as read only |
| 12:18.23 | Evanescence | psycho_oreos: that's it. I am confused in concept of those. so that this command "sudo flasher-3.5 -F <firmware-image> -f -R" is flashing fiasco , right ? |
| 12:18.24 | psycho_oreos | niv_, Iãhighly doubt you'll find help here, this is the support channel for Nokia Internet Tablets running maemo linux, not gentoo support channel |
| 12:19.16 | psycho_oreos | Evanescence, yes except you obviously replace whatever is in paranthesis with the filename or the full path to the file that is the fiasco image |
| 12:19.20 | niv_ | I know of one guy here using gentoo |
| 12:19.24 | niv_ | and another using xen |
| 12:19.29 | niv_ | so maybe... |
| 12:19.53 | niv_ | oh ya, how to solve the modest crash after upgrading to cssu? |
| 12:20.06 | psycho_oreos | yeah, you can ask and wait but otherwise you'd be only hoping |
| 12:20.33 | psycho_oreos | modest crashing depends on which factors, though I'd check the bug tracker first |
| 12:20.58 | Evanescence | psycho_oreos: I see. and it should be fiasco first , then eMMc ? |
| 12:21.53 | psycho_oreos | Evanescence, I've told you for the third time and I'm not going to repeat myself. You _only_ _only_ need to flash fiasco. If you ask the same question again I'm not going to bother answer |
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| 12:22.50 | Evanescence | psycho_oreos: I am so sorry.... hit me. |
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| 12:30.08 | psycho_oreos | Evanescence, it pays to always look at the built-in help pages from the program you are using, where available or at least search for manual pages either locally or on the internet.. then search for howtos on internet. Such simple steps prevents one asking repetitive questions over a trivial matter |
| 12:31.22 | Evanescence | yeah... I have readed "How to ask smart questions" I get rid of this bad habit now. |
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| 12:34.59 | Hurrian | niv, still here? |
| 12:35.08 | Hurrian | enable UBI devices in kernel config |
| 12:35.33 | Hurrian | hmm, you might want to check USB network devices |
| 12:35.37 | Hurrian | enable phonet |
| 12:35.55 | Hurrian | which reminds me, i fubar'd my kernel-config and need to start all over |
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| 12:59.32 | femtosecond | hi everyone |
| 13:00.41 | femtosecond | any karaoke player for maemo (N900)? |
| 13:04.10 | Tronic | None that I know of, but Performous is currently being ported. |
| 13:04.28 | Tronic | No idea how long it'll take to finish the port, though. |
| 13:05.15 | femtosecond | i tried pykaraoke but it doesn't work |
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| 13:17.56 | n900eu | hello, i have one problem in my n900, sound is used for other aplication all time :( |
| 13:18.46 | psycho_oreos | define other application |
| 13:20.09 | n900eu | I have a problem with the nokia n900. The sound is being used by another application (and I can not use bluetooth and calls do not use the internal speaker |
| 13:20.23 | n900eu | i dont know what aplication used the sound :( |
| 13:22.17 | n900eu | Try listening to music and: |
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| 13:22.56 | n900eu | cannot play media files. sound is used by another aplication |
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| 13:25.22 | psycho_oreos | try running lsof against /dev/dsp and see if there's any active PID |
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| 13:51.08 | jonwil | so far nothing useful on my "N900 resources" wiki page :( |
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| 14:43.01 | DocScrutinizer | ~tell Evanescence about flashing |
| 14:43.34 | Evanescence | DocScrutinizer: I have successed in flashing. Thanks |
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| 15:32.51 | V13 | anyone managed to use and sdk for n950 under linux ? |
| 15:35.22 | GAN900 | Many people. |
| 15:36.12 | V13 | ok... how the blip? |
| 15:36.19 | V13 | I'm struggling here with no success |
| 15:36.32 | V13 | (except from the qt sdk) |
| 15:36.53 | V13 | I'm fighting with scratchbox and I'm loosing |
| 15:39.37 | nid0 | punch harder |
| 15:39.44 | V13 | That's what I get: http://tinypic.com/r/2je9zef/7 |
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| 15:43.16 | vdv | someone here used modrana? is it better than navit? |
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| 15:58.13 | vdv | is there any navigation app for n900? |
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| 16:06.10 | joga | vdv, the maps application can route but can't speak, then there used to be sygic mobile maps but not anymore. I last tried marble and while it seemed to kinda do what's needed, it wasn't that easy to use (especially to get voice navigation...didn't get it on first try) |
| 16:09.11 | joga | vdv, to me marble seems the best bet since apparently there are no commercial navigation apps besides sygic which is no more (I guess) and it appears to have the necessary features, ie. can download maps from a certain region and route through them, though offline routing probably requires installing some other program, can't remember the name |
| 16:10.09 | joga | I just wanted a hassle-free nav program for those times when I gotta drive somewhere new, I guess I missed the opportunity :) |
| 16:13.39 | vdv | joga, apps which i've now looked are: navit, mappero, modrana |
| 16:13.41 | ruskie | joga, erm? mappero? |
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| 16:16.31 | vdv | what i really need is to reduce data traffic amount to minumum |
| 16:16.59 | vdv | there's no offline maps preinstalled on n900, not? |
| 16:17.10 | ruskie | well ovi maps has those iirc |
| 16:17.30 | ruskie | I really wish though that there were some tools to generate offline maps for all those apps using openstreetmap etc... |
| 16:17.45 | V13 | mappero does that |
| 16:17.58 | vdv | can i use ovi offline maps with mappero? |
| 16:18.06 | V13 | why use ovi ? |
| 16:18.07 | V13 | no |
| 16:18.10 | V13 | AFAIK no |
| 16:18.27 | V13 | You can pre-download google, google s/l and osm. |
| 16:18.43 | vdv | download google maps? |
| 16:18.44 | ruskie | V13, how? |
| 16:18.46 | V13 | I uses that just a week ago when traveling with a plane. |
| 16:18.58 | V13 | there are two ways |
| 16:19.01 | ruskie | I haven't yet seen anything usable on how to get caches for mappero |
| 16:19.11 | V13 | the easiest is to just move the maps and see them once |
| 16:19.21 | V13 | which will make it cache the maps |
| 16:19.38 | ruskie | and take an insane amount of time |
| 16:19.44 | ruskie | for the various levels |
| 16:19.46 | V13 | the other is via menu -> maps -> manage maps |
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| 16:19.52 | ruskie | which simply doesn't seem to work |
| 16:20.12 | V13 | where you select the area and the levels you want to download |
| 16:20.38 | V13 | just go to a level/location where the entire area is shown |
| 16:20.47 | V13 | and then download, adding some more levels |
| 16:20.59 | V13 | although I believe that it also will download nearby tiles |
| 16:22.12 | vdv | and i don't need internet connection after maps are cached? |
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| 16:22.38 | NIN101 | just updated the N900. Every programs dies with segmentation fault now and IIRC no system component was about to be updated. Just saying, now I have to reflash :-). |
| 16:23.47 | DocScrutinizer | vdv: marble can do offline routing via monav |
| 16:24.49 | vdv | i.e. i should use OpenStreetMaps, Monav and marble? |
| 16:25.14 | DocScrutinizer | NIN101: what and how did you update? |
| 16:25.25 | NIN101 | through apt-get |
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| 16:25.32 | DocScrutinizer | haha |
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| 16:25.51 | DocScrutinizer | not maybe apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 16:25.56 | NIN101 | apt-get upgrade |
| 16:26.06 | DocScrutinizer | bad enough |
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| 16:27.30 | DocScrutinizer | Iheard enabling certain repos and then doing an upgrade is fairly sufficient to break virtually everything |
| 16:28.23 | DocScrutinizer | particularly repos that are meant for the SDK |
| 16:34.43 | joga | ruskie, what about mappero? |
| 16:35.51 | ruskie | joga, well you didn't mention it |
| 16:36.28 | joga | ah, yeah, I didn't. for quick checking of surrounding area map I use maep |
| 16:36.49 | joga | I do have mappero installed but haven't used it much |
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| 18:23.11 | timeless | [Sampo Online Banking] Month with no payment, must not be equivalent to the month chosen under "First payment" |
| 18:23.18 | timeless | sighs |
| 18:23.25 | timeless | who writes these error messages? |
| 18:25.52 | RST38h | Bankers? |
| 18:36.05 | timeless | ... |
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| 18:46.22 | Jaffa | timeless: Given I work in financing systems, I can decode that :-) |
| 18:46.31 | timeless | what's it mean? |
| 18:46.36 | Jaffa | timeless: You can't have a payment holiday in the first month of the deal |
| 18:46.59 | Jaffa | timeless: i.e. either push the start date back or move your payment holiday |
| 18:47.15 | timeless | i wanted to suspend the payment thing entirely |
| 18:48.03 | Jaffa | timeless: I've no idea what you're doing, but if it's a loan/lease type thing; you don't want to pay it back at all? ;-) |
| 18:48.54 | timeless | it was a sponsorship |
| 18:49.00 | timeless | (contribution) |
| 18:49.26 | Jaffa | Ah |
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| 18:57.08 | godtrunks | hy can u guys help me with my n900 |
| 18:57.48 | godtrunks | i try to create a yahoo mail account on my n900 but all the time i have same error that my username or password is not correct |
| 18:57.52 | godtrunks | what shoud i do? |
| 18:58.22 | ruskie | enter the correct info? |
| 18:58.27 | godtrunks | yes |
| 18:59.12 | godtrunks | if i try with gmail same problem |
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| 18:59.38 | ruskie | are you sure you are entering the correct info? |
| 18:59.43 | godtrunks | yes |
| 19:00.00 | godtrunks | i know my username and my password |
| 19:00.20 | godtrunks | i can log in from a computer without a problem |
| 19:00.32 | godtrunks | but i want from my phone |
| 19:00.41 | ruskie | using an email client on the computer? or through their web intefraces? |
| 19:00.52 | amti | i guess you want it because of flickr :) |
| 19:00.56 | amti | have you tried another browser? |
| 19:01.20 | godtrunks | i try with phone application |
| 19:01.36 | godtrunks | in a browser is working without a problem |
| 19:02.24 | godtrunks | and i'm connected to the internet |
| 19:02.48 | amti | phone application? what do you mean by that? |
| 19:03.10 | ruskie | and you are trying it through the mail application? and you enter the right server and you sure you have the right username(they might require it as user@domain or only as user) |
| 19:04.15 | godtrunks | ok |
| 19:04.25 | godtrunks | i start the account setup |
| 19:04.42 | godtrunks | i chose service provider yahoo mail plus |
| 19:04.55 | godtrunks | then i pess next |
| 19:05.02 | ruskie | I assume you have yahoo mail plus enabled? |
| 19:05.08 | godtrunks | i put my username and password |
| 19:05.17 | godtrunks | yes is enabled |
| 19:05.35 | ruskie | hmm iirc yahoo uses user@domain |
| 19:06.17 | amti | are you sure your account allows using it via n900 mail application? afaik normal yahoo account doesn't support it. |
| 19:06.19 | godtrunks | and then i have an error username or password is inccorect |
| 19:06.30 | ruskie | amti, that's what mail plus is |
| 19:06.47 | holmesII | is there anyway to get the power consumption of a specific device such wifi, bluetooth ? |
| 19:06.50 | ruskie | godtrunks, and you enter your username as: user@domain ? or just user ? |
| 19:07.08 | godtrunks | user@domain |
| 19:07.26 | ruskie | hmm |
| 19:07.45 | ruskie | and you're sure you didn't mistype anything in the password? |
| 19:08.07 | godtrunks | noincoming pop3 server is plus.pop.mail.yahoo.com |
| 19:08.29 | godtrunks | port 995 |
| 19:08.45 | ruskie | so they support ssl? |
| 19:08.46 | godtrunks | secure auth is uncheck |
| 19:08.52 | godtrunks | yes... |
| 19:09.07 | ruskie | hmm could be you need to enable secure auth |
| 19:09.17 | godtrunks | outgoing server SMTP is plus.smtp.mail.yahoo.com |
| 19:09.27 | godtrunks | i tryed that |
| 19:09.31 | godtrunks | same error |
| 19:09.57 | ruskie | tried the non secured one? |
| 19:10.24 | ruskie | 113 or whatever the pop3 port is... haven't used that in aeons |
| 19:10.26 | godtrunks | secure auth i put none |
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| 19:10.49 | godtrunks | maybe the pop3 and port r not correct? |
| 19:11.06 | holmesII | any idea? |
| 19:11.19 | ruskie | godtrunks, you have secure connection -> SSL ? |
| 19:11.33 | godtrunks | yes |
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| 19:12.12 | ruskie | no clue then |
| 19:12.13 | godtrunks | shoud i put it TLS? |
| 19:12.24 | ruskie | if using the 995 port sholud be SSL |
| 19:12.28 | ruskie | you can try 113 port and try TLS |
| 19:12.38 | ruskie | or whatever the non SSL port for pop3 is |
| 19:12.42 | godtrunks | if the port is not corect? |
| 19:12.48 | ruskie | should time out |
| 19:13.18 | Sicelo | 110 iirc |
| 19:13.25 | godtrunks | :-< |
| 19:13.34 | godtrunks | ok |
| 19:13.35 | godtrunks | so it's impossible |
| 19:13.42 | godtrunks | :)) |
| 19:13.43 | godtrunks | i solved this |
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| 19:18.57 | godtrunks | when maemo wil realease more application for n900? |
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| 19:20.01 | godtrunks | one more think |
| 19:20.17 | godtrunks | can i use video or voice call on pidgin? |
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| 19:21.57 | DocScrutinizer | godtrunks: there's some sort of bug in the whole web api mess around ovi/nokia/yahoo |
| 19:22.11 | DocScrutinizer | godtrunks: same problem with N950 and also on my laptop |
| 19:22.41 | DocScrutinizer | godtrunks: erasing cookies seems to frequently clean out the issue |
| 19:23.09 | DocScrutinizer | also registering/signing-in on the "base" URL helps for browser |
| 19:23.43 | DocScrutinizer | seems there's a persistent session-end cookie lingering on forever and killing your next sign-in |
| 19:23.59 | ruskie | DocScrutinizer, this was for modest ;) |
| 19:24.57 | DocScrutinizer | I guess sign-in is a centralized (web) API and server and it's broken |
| 19:25.34 | ruskie | erm pop3 |
| 19:25.36 | DocScrutinizer | also I fail to wrap my head around Nokia pushmail, might as well be web based |
| 19:26.50 | godtrunks | i try this with nokia email application |
| 19:27.01 | godtrunks | what cookie this program have? |
| 19:27.14 | ruskie | really wishes that people would stop abusing http for $random things |
| 19:28.14 | godtrunks | DocScrutinizer can u tell me? |
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| 19:28.39 | DocScrutinizer | godtrunks: I don't know - all my statements above were about generic "accounts" as found in maemo, and I have no clue whatsoever what modest mail app is doing |
| 19:29.04 | godtrunks | but is not only the yahoo |
| 19:29.10 | godtrunks | gmail is the same |
| 19:29.12 | godtrunks | same error |
| 19:29.28 | DocScrutinizer | then I have no clue at all |
| 19:29.35 | godtrunks | :)) |
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| 19:30.39 | godtrunks | the maemo application use same configuration like symbian? |
| 19:31.53 | Sicelo | tried imap for your gmail? |
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| 19:33.20 | godtrunks | no |
| 19:33.41 | godtrunks | i try now |
| 19:34.23 | Sicelo | maybe see if that helps.. i'm using my gmail with N900 with any problem at all |
| 19:35.02 | Sicelo | yes, kinda like symbian.. without the imap-dle :( |
| 19:35.20 | godtrunks | yey |
| 19:35.24 | godtrunks | gmail is working |
| 19:35.25 | Sicelo | *idle |
| 19:35.40 | godtrunks | and what about yahoo?? |
| 19:36.14 | Sicelo | u sure u have mail plus? |
| 19:36.16 | mtnbkr | Hey guys... Is it a known issue, or just a problem with my N900 where I can play the "9" sample video that came with the phone on a TV via the cable that cam with the N900, but when I try to play videos that I have recorded, as soon as the video starts, all I get is sound on the TV and a blank screen? |
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| 19:37.38 | godtrunks | in media videofile |
| 19:38.16 | Sicelo | lol... what did i write: " with any problem at all." gprs :/ |
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| 19:38.47 | ruskie | well mail plus is a pay-for-service... so if godtrunks is paying for it I guess he knows he has it |
| 19:41.06 | godtrunks | where can i pay? |
| 19:41.10 | godtrunks | :)) |
| 19:41.36 | godtrunks | i'm joking |
| 19:41.59 | godtrunks | :| |
| 19:42.03 | Sicelo | aha.. i guessed so ;) |
| 19:42.08 | godtrunks | i'm stupid |
| 19:42.15 | godtrunks | that's wy it didn't work |
| 19:42.24 | godtrunks | lol |
| 19:42.26 | godtrunks | srry guys :)) |
| 19:42.26 | ruskie | hehe |
| 19:42.49 | ruskie | there are tools that make it possible to access yahoo mail as pop3 via the web interface |
| 19:43.04 | godtrunks | i know |
| 19:43.19 | godtrunks | but i wanted to try with the phone software |
| 19:44.07 | Sicelo | godtrunks: u can use imap with yahoo for free |
| 19:44.23 | Sicelo | but no smtp |
| 19:44.26 | godtrunks | how? |
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| 19:44.39 | ruskie | Sicelo, since when? |
| 19:45.07 | Sicelo | always :) |
| 19:45.19 | ruskie | erm |
| 19:45.30 | Sicelo | imap.n.mail.yahoo.com |
| 19:46.12 | godtrunks | incoming or outgoing? |
| 19:46.50 | godtrunks | and same port at incoming? |
| 19:46.57 | ruskie | hmm interesting... |
| 19:47.00 | ruskie | imap works... |
| 19:47.05 | Sicelo | incoming.. no SSl |
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| 19:47.36 | godtrunks | what port is incoming? |
| 19:47.38 | ruskie | well the only yahoo user around here is my mom so doing some imap syncing would work here very well |
| 19:48.39 | godtrunks | what port is incoming? |
| 19:49.24 | Sicelo | i think port 25 as there's no ssl, my 9300i does ports automatically.. so i'm not 100% sure |
| 19:49.50 | godtrunks | port 25 is outgoing |
| 19:49.55 | ruskie | Sicelo, btw it supports STARTTLS |
| 19:50.23 | Sicelo | ah.. kewl.. i dumped my yahoo account a while ago |
| 19:50.28 | ruskie | same here |
| 19:50.35 | ruskie | was amazed I was able to actually delete it |
| 19:50.39 | ruskie | same for the msn account |
| 19:51.13 | godtrunks | how u can delete your yahoo account? |
| 19:51.20 | godtrunks | it's impossible |
| 19:52.36 | ruskie | they have a delet feature |
| 19:52.38 | ruskie | erm delete |
| 19:53.01 | godtrunks | have a link? |
| 19:53.02 | ruskie | I was able to delete both accounts actually(after figuring out my other accounts password) |
| 19:53.06 | godtrunks | :D |
| 19:53.23 | ruskie | http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/edit/changing_users/edit-23.html |
| 19:54.26 | godtrunks | thx\ |
| 19:55.30 | Sicelo | 143 godtrunks |
| 19:57.14 | godtrunks | what's the outgoing server? |
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| 19:59.15 | Sicelo | doesn't matter.. no smtp for free accounts |
| 19:59.32 | godtrunks | so i leave it blank? |
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| 20:00.11 | Sicelo | no.. u write whatever u want |
| 20:00.52 | godtrunks | ok |
| 20:01.12 | godtrunks | now it doesn't show me anything |
| 20:01.14 | godtrunks | ;)) |
| 20:02.30 | godtrunks | but is not working |
| 20:02.31 | godtrunks | :( |
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| 20:03.59 | Sicelo | maybe not port 143 :/ my old nokia didnt show ports, but figured them automatically.. so i can't be sure. but it works.. keep tweaking |
| 20:04.58 | godtrunks | thx |
| 20:05.06 | godtrunks | i'm happy that my gmail is working |
| 20:05.10 | godtrunks | :) |
| 20:06.06 | Sicelo | it works now on my n900 |
| 20:06.16 | godtrunks | sicelo |
| 20:06.24 | godtrunks | u know aircrack? |
| 20:06.24 | godtrunks | :D |
| 20:06.40 | Sicelo | u must tick secure authentication |
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| 20:06.58 | godtrunks | where i must copy a dictionary on my n900? |
| 20:07.04 | godtrunks | in what file? |
| 20:07.14 | Sicelo | i know aircrack.. but i'm noob, so never really used it |
| 20:07.27 | godtrunks | i teach u?? |
| 20:07.29 | godtrunks | :))) |
| 20:07.59 | godtrunks | but it works only for wep |
| 20:08.14 | godtrunks | i need a good dictionary for wpa |
| 20:08.39 | godtrunks | and system memory is not so bug... |
| 20:08.45 | godtrunks | big* |
| 20:08.49 | Sicelo | on N900 or pc? |
| 20:08.54 | godtrunks | n900 |
| 20:09.38 | Sicelo | i have it too... but wi-fi networks are rare here ;) |
| 20:10.14 | godtrunks | and the n900 i't's ok to overheat himself??? |
| 20:10.46 | godtrunks | i can fry egs sometime on my phone |
| 20:10.49 | godtrunks | it's ok or...not? |
| 20:11.04 | Sicelo | mine is just on its 3rd week.. so never experienced that yet |
| 20:11.43 | godtrunks | it's happend when i speak on skype or downloading torrent to my phone... |
| 20:11.58 | godtrunks | and the phone get very hot... |
| 20:13.23 | lcuk | godtrunks, if you can fry eggs, then you can surely cook bacon |
| 20:13.29 | lcuk | put some on the phone and enjoy lunch! |
| 20:13.49 | godtrunks | i think i will make a barbaque |
| 20:13.51 | godtrunks | :)) |
| 20:15.33 | godtrunks | thx for your help guys |
| 20:15.42 | Sicelo | yw |
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| 20:37.12 | benno2 | Hi, is it possible to put a bookmark for a local folder on maemo5 (N900) on the desktop? If yes, how can it be done? thanks! |
| 20:38.36 | antman8969 | no obvious way.. you could make a .desktop file and put it in /usr/share/applications/hildon(something) to launch a file with a program |
| 20:38.49 | antman8969 | but thats kind of annoying |
| 20:39.34 | benno2 | antman8969, thanks. strange that one cannot create a bookmark for a local file , ie file::///home/user/.... |
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| 20:49.27 | Mece | lo |
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| 20:54.00 | sevard | Does anyone know how to get the shell bell to sound in the n810's x terminal? |
| 20:54.55 | sevard | or perhaps is there a more awesome shell emulator out there |
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| 21:03.47 | scoobertron | benno2: if you save the file with an appropriate extension, what happens when you try to open it in the file manager - if it opens in the browser you could maybe bookmark it from there. |
| 21:04.13 | scoobertron | benno2: sorry, I misunderstood your question, I don't think that helps |
| 21:04.31 | benno2 | scoobertron, no problem. anyway thanks for your tips |
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| 21:27.47 | thopiekar | hi |
| 21:28.56 | thopiekar | facebook-chat isn't working for me at the moment.. the settimgs ui says that the login fails. have you noticed the same? |
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| 21:29.29 | Creteil | Hi all |
| 21:29.35 | thopiekar | hi |
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| 21:31.57 | Creteil | Why when I try to build a package under scratchbox, the resulting package use python 2.3.4 in place of python 2.5.4 ? |
| 21:33.15 | Creteil | Also, the path of the stuff in this package point to : ./scratchbox/tools/.../... |
| 21:33.27 | Creteil | anyone know how to fix this ? |
| 21:35.28 | thopiekar | use python2.5 executable and not the python executable |
| 21:35.41 | thopiekar | scratchbox overwrites some binaries |
| 21:36.00 | Creteil | I actually use this : PYTHON=python2.5 PATH=/usr/bin/dh7:$PATH dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -d |
| 21:36.12 | thopiekar | had that problem some years before, too when starting with sb |
| 21:36.36 | Creteil | even with 'PYTHON=python2.5' the resulting package end using python 2.3 |
| 21:36.39 | Creteil | that just sux |
| 21:36.41 | Creteil | :-( |
| 21:37.06 | thopiekar | not sure about that but you should modify your debian/rules |
| 21:37.31 | Creteil | and what I need to put in the debian/rules file ? |
| 21:37.54 | thopiekar | show me first of all the content of it ;) |
| 21:39.09 | Creteil | Here it is : |
| 21:39.10 | Creteil | #!/usr/bin/make -f |
| 21:39.12 | Creteil | # -*- makefile -*- |
| 21:39.13 | Creteil | # Sample debian/rules that uses debhelper. |
| 21:39.15 | Creteil | # This file was originally written by Joey Hess and Craig Small. |
| 21:39.16 | Creteil | # As a special exception, when this file is copied by dh-make into a |
| 21:39.18 | Creteil | # dh-make output file, you may use that output file without restriction. |
| 21:39.19 | Creteil | # This special exception was added by Craig Small in version 0.37 of dh-make. |
| 21:39.21 | Creteil | # Uncomment this to turn on verbose mode. |
| 21:39.23 | Creteil | #export DH_VERBOSE=1 |
| 21:39.25 | Creteil | %: |
| 21:39.26 | Creteil | dh $@ |
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| 21:39.36 | Creteil | look like a default minimal debian/rules |
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| 21:39.50 | thopiekar | please use a pastebin the next time :) |
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| 21:39.58 | thopiekar | well |
| 21:40.19 | Creteil | ok, sorry |
| 21:41.10 | thopiekar | this rules file seems to be made via debhelper 7.. I would repackage it with debhelper 5 which is shipped with the SDK |
| 21:41.42 | Creteil | ok, How I can do this ? |
| 21:42.10 | thopiekar | that means you'll need to remove the debian folder and run in the source folder 'dh_make --createorig' |
| 21:42.53 | thopiekar | and then google for: 'debian packaging python module' |
| 21:42.56 | Creteil | ok, let me chack now ... |
| 21:43.24 | Creteil | I have just removed debhelper 7 with -> 'apt-get remove --purge debhelper7' |
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| 21:43.49 | Creteil | mv debian .. |
| 21:43.52 | thopiekar | k and install debhelper after that |
| 21:43.56 | thopiekar | k |
| 21:44.19 | Creteil | ii debhelper 5.0.42-0osso1 helper programs for debian/rules |
| 21:44.21 | Creteil | done |
| 21:44.53 | Creteil | Type of package: single binary, multiple binary, library, kernel module or cdbs? |
| 21:44.54 | Creteil | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:45.04 | thopiekar | s |
| 21:45.11 | Creteil | K |
| 21:45.33 | thopiekar | a single binary will be fine for the beginning ;) |
| 21:45.42 | Creteil | ok :-) |
| 21:46.02 | Creteil | Now I'm here : |
| 21:46.04 | Creteil | Skipping creating ../sslstrip_0.9.orig.tar.gz because it already exists |
| 21:46.06 | Creteil | Currently there is no top level Makefile. This may require additional tuning. |
| 21:46.07 | Creteil | Done. Please edit the files in the debian/ subdirectory now. You should also |
| 21:46.09 | Creteil | check that the sslstrip Makefiles install into $DESTDIR and not in / . |
| 21:46.10 | Creteil | [sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~/tmp/Building/sslstrip/sslstrip-0.9] > |
| 21:46.40 | thopiekar | just need to leave in the next minutes because I'll need some sleep till tomorrow.. have to wake up in 6hours to get to work.. |
| 21:46.54 | thopiekar | what is sslstrip? |
| 21:47.39 | Creteil | This tool provides a demonstration of the HTTPS stripping attacks that I presented at Black Hat DC 2009. It will transparently hijack HTTP traffic on a network, watch for HTTPS links and redirects, then map those links into either look-alike HTTP links or homograph-similar HTTPS links. It also supports modes for supplying a favicon which looks like a lock icon, selective logging, and session... |
| 21:47.41 | Creteil | ...denial. |
| 21:48.01 | Creteil | http://www.thoughtcrime.org/software/sslstrip/ |
| 21:48.10 | thopiekar | I'll take a look at it tomorrow ok? is it available on ubuntu repos? |
| 21:48.53 | Creteil | No, it's not, I pull the original source package from a ppa ... wait one I gice you the URL of this ppa ... |
| 21:49.39 | Creteil | https://launchpad.net/~cashmoney/+archive/security |
| 21:49.46 | thopiekar | I really need some sleep now :D it's 23:50 here.. ok I ll wait ;) |
| 21:50.20 | Creteil | no problems, have a good night, but I come back at you and you teach me about packaging ... ;-) |
| 21:50.38 | Creteil | what is your time ? |
| 21:51.12 | Creteil | look like you are at same time :-) |
| 21:51.18 | thopiekar | +2 is my timezone afaik |
| 21:51.25 | Creteil | CTCP time reply âSun Jul 17 23:51:44â from thopiekar |
| 21:51.27 | Creteil | [Sunday 17 July 2011 - 23:51:10]<Creteil>look like you are at same time :-) |
| 21:51.35 | Creteil | oops |
| 21:51.35 | thopiekar | ;) |
| 21:51.39 | Creteil | :-) |
| 21:52.05 | Creteil | well have a good sleep, you come back here at what time ? |
| 21:52.17 | thopiekar | you'll find my email address at talk.maemo |
| 21:52.31 | Creteil | ok |
| 21:52.47 | thopiekar | hmm think tomorrow at 17 o'clock |
| 21:53.01 | Creteil | ok |
| 21:53.17 | Creteil | anyhow I come back here to see if I can reach you ... |
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| 21:53.32 | Creteil | have a good dreams :-) |
| 21:53.59 | thopiekar | thanks see you soon ;) |
| 21:54.35 | trumee | crap, i am screwed. i installed multiboot and forgot to enter an item for maemo. I only have an entry for nitdroid on it :( |
| 21:54.35 | Creteil | I'm trying my best on my side for sslstrip during your night ... |
| 21:54.50 | jacekowski | trumee: flash it |
| 21:54.55 | trumee | Can i edit multiboot.d in nitdroid ? |
| 21:54.59 | Creteil | trumee, fault :-( |
| 21:56.00 | trumee | jacekowski: ok, will flash it with default kernel |
| 21:57.00 | trumee | uggghhh, i dont have a usb cable around. |
| 21:57.52 | trumee | is it not possible to mount / in android and edit /etc/multiboot.d ? |
| 22:03.20 | trumee | yay, found a usb cable |
| 22:03.31 | DocScrutinizer51 | friggin modest is set to check-period:30min, still it took 23h+ for this mail to download from my private imap server |
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| 22:11.01 | trumee | jacekowski: i flashed the kernel (flasher -F RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin --flash-only=kernel -f -R) but it still is booting into multiboot :( |
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| 22:13.50 | trumee | DocScrutinizer51: any idea? |
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| 22:16.15 | DocScrutinizer51 | trumee: multiboot is a really screwed thing reflashing kernel during execution of initscripts |
| 22:17.08 | trumee | DocScrutinizer51: guess, i dont have any option other flash rootfs :( |
| 22:17.10 | DocScrutinizer51 | trumee: flashing kernel will at best do nothing, at worst cause bootloop (kernel module missbmach) |
| 22:17.42 | DocScrutinizer51 | trumee: according to /topic |
| 22:19.28 | trumee | DocScrutinizer51: right, flashing rootfs. |
| 22:19.42 | trumee | hates himself for self imposed stupidity |
| 22:22.01 | trumee | DocScrutinizer51: so my /home/user is lost now? |
| 22:22.34 | DocScrutinizer51 | /home/user is unaffected by flashing COMBINED |
| 22:22.45 | fusi | http://www.sekaita.com/blog/n900-backgrounds |
| 22:22.48 | fusi | \o/ |
| 22:23.30 | trumee | DocScrutinizer51: thank God for that |
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| 22:33.12 | SpeedEvil | realises he'd really like a mbarcode-plugin that pretended to be a BT plugin. |
| 22:33.21 | SpeedEvil | So it typed the barcode. |
| 22:33.39 | SpeedEvil | BT keyboard |
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| 22:37.01 | DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil: aside from insertion/injection of chars to stdin if the currently focused process, the patch to mbarcodereader should be trivial |
| 22:37.47 | DocScrutinizer51 | tbh I dunno how to accomplish the inject part at all |
| 22:38.44 | DocScrutinizer51 | possibly sending aome apecial X11messages can do that |
| 22:38.58 | DocScrutinizer51 | Some Special |
| 22:39.31 | DocScrutinizer51 | don't know of a more generic way |
| 22:39.49 | DocScrutinizer51 | except patching kbd driver |
| 22:41.12 | DocScrutinizer51 | actually I'm missing this inject-chars-to-stdin frequently |
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| 22:51.51 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: I mean so that the n900 acts like a BT keyboard, for a 'PC', and types barcodes it sees. |
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