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| 00:09.28 | Termana | Good morning |
| 00:09.45 | sid | moin |
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| 00:15.59 | Choom | I hope they don't replace the touchscreen in the final product because of you |
| 00:19.28 | derf | Hardware decisions were likely made 2 years ago. |
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| 00:50.24 | mitszx | hello! |
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| 00:51.17 | mitszx | where does h-e-n mount by default ? |
| 00:52.34 | mitszx | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:53.16 | mitszx | i cant seem to find the folder :S |
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| 00:53.56 | mitszx | i doubt its mounting to any folder anyways |
| 00:54.42 | mitszx | seems like i need to create the folder so it can mount to it or something of such |
| 00:55.49 | mitszx | any suggestions people? |
| 00:57.05 | mitszx | where are all the geeks today? |
| 00:57.23 | mitszx | seems like some bot idling lobby today |
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| 01:12.02 | sid | if i remember right it does not mount |
| 01:12.22 | sid | maybe at /media |
| 01:12.43 | sid | df -h; fdisk -.l |
| 01:12.52 | sid | df -h; fdisk -l |
| 01:13.04 | sid | check your dmesg |
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| 07:33.50 | mgedmin | GeneralAntilles, yep, got it yesterday |
| 07:34.02 | mgedmin | the (capacitative) touchscreen is awesome, much better than the one on a N900 |
| 07:34.29 | mgedmin | I used to hate scrolling because I would usually not push hard enough |
| 07:34.32 | mgedmin | now a light touch is sufficien |
| 07:34.34 | mgedmin | t |
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| 07:36.10 | mgedmin | precise aiming (for, e.g., text selection) can be tricky, though |
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| 07:48.01 | crashanddie | haha |
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| 07:48.57 | ruskie | http://chrisaitchison.com/2011/05/03/you-are-not-a-software-engineer |
| 07:49.03 | crashanddie | Bill Maher interviews a senator about religion, and Bill Maher tells him "It worries me that people who are running the country, people like you Senator, believe in a talking snake", to which the senator replies "You don't have to pass an IQ test to be a Senator, though", with a big smile... Bill Maher is stumped, and slowly the senator realises what he just said, and his smile fades away. |
| 07:49.34 | ruskie | rofl |
| 07:50.20 | mgedmin | so, the car charger that my n900 didn't detect? |
| 07:50.33 | crashanddie | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHqTkAEqmmU&t=7m34s |
| 07:50.38 | crashanddie | ruskie ^ |
| 07:50.47 | mgedmin | n950 sees it as a PC -- gives me the usual "mass storage/SDK/whatever" menu, then pops up a notification saying "not enough current for charging" |
| 07:50.50 | mgedmin | but then charges anyway |
| 07:51.03 | ruskie | rofl |
| 07:51.08 | mgedmin | the battery screen in Settings estimates 14 thousand minutes until full charge |
| 07:51.11 | mgedmin | iirc |
| 07:51.33 | ruskie | so 10 days? |
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| 07:51.51 | ruskie | I think it's trying to pull the current but it's just not there hence the message |
| 07:51.58 | mgedmin | probably |
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| 08:26.29 | MohammadAG | grr, N950 still is a new order :/ |
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| 08:27.08 | Venemo | MohammadAG :( |
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| 08:53.32 | pauly | my n900 is on ebay and its bid is at $99 usd 6 hours left! |
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| 09:30.31 | lbt | hmmm ... so my N900 has an rt-com SIP account .... any idea where it keeps the password ? |
| 09:31.19 | mgedmin | hm... gconf? |
| 09:32.15 | MohammadAG | lbt, I'd guess same place telepathy stores passwords |
| 09:32.38 | lbt | OK - don't suppose you have a rough path ? |
| 09:33.23 | MohammadAG | nope, sorry :( |
| 09:36.44 | lbt | thanks ... gave me the google-fu : they're in /home/user/.rtcom-accounts/accounts.cfg |
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| 09:37.08 | vi__ | yo yo |
| 09:37.27 | vi__ | how do I query the current volume on the n900 from cli? |
| 09:37.39 | vi__ | there doesnt appear to be a gconf2 setting or dbus call |
| 09:37.46 | Tronic | vi__: alsactl? |
| 09:37.53 | vi__ | interesting |
| 09:38.08 | vi__ | however isn't the audio done by pulse? |
| 09:38.18 | Tronic | Yes, but it still uses ALSA volume controls. |
| 09:38.44 | Tronic | (and ALSA for actual audio output as Pulseaudio itself has no device drivers) |
| 09:39.15 | MohammadAG | vi__, you sure about the lack of a dbus call? |
| 09:39.19 | vi__ | so if I turn volume down on alsa then I will be able to turn it up with hardware volume keys? |
| 09:39.26 | vi__ | MohammadAG: yes |
| 09:39.35 | vi__ | MohammadAG: there is a set, but no get! |
| 09:39.39 | MohammadAG | vi__, wrong |
| 09:39.44 | vi__ | orly? |
| 09:39.48 | mgedmin | vi__, you can get the current n900 volume with gconftool -g /apps/osso/sound/master_volume |
| 09:40.35 | Tronic | You could also get the volume via Pulseaudio API but I don't know if there are any CLI tools for that. |
| 09:40.36 | MohammadAG | dbus-send --print-reply --type=method_call --dest=com.nokia.mafw.renderer.Mafw-Gst-Renderer-Plugin.gstrenderer /com/nokia/mafw/renderer/gstrenderer com.nokia.mafw.extension.get_extension_property string:volume |
| 09:41.03 | MohammadAG | mgedmin, No value set for `/apps/osso/sound/master_volume' |
| 09:41.30 | mgedmin | hmm |
| 09:42.12 | MohammadAG | dbus-send --print-reply --type=method_call --dest=com.nokia.mafw.renderer.Mafw-Gst-Renderer-Plugin.gstrenderer /com/nokia/mafw/renderer/gstrenderer com.nokia.mafw.extension.get_extension_property string:volume | grep uint32 | awk '{print $3}' |
| 09:42.17 | mgedmin | I retyped that from a shell script on my n900 that used to work |
| 09:42.30 | MohammadAG | for the numerical value (without dbus reply strings) |
| 09:42.34 | mgedmin | dunno, maybe firmware updates got rid of the gconf volume thingy |
| 09:42.57 | MohammadAG | dbus works as well I guess |
| 09:43.40 | vi__ | MohammadAG: ...you sweet, sick sonovvabitch |
| 09:44.28 | vi__ | FWIW I am making a mute script, however I need to store the current volume before I set to 0 so I can restore it after |
| 09:44.58 | vi__ | MohammadAG: where did you find that info |
| 09:45.09 | vi__ | MohammadAG: I didnt see it on the api page |
| 09:45.18 | MohammadAG | vi__, I wrote an open mediaplayer :P |
| 09:45.55 | mgedmin | isn't there a separate mute switch? |
| 09:46.08 | MohammadAG | just set volume to 0 |
| 09:46.10 | mgedmin | or perhaps negative numbers to indicate muteness without losing the old volume? |
| 09:46.23 | MohammadAG | don't think so |
| 09:46.28 | mgedmin | linux audio apis generally let you mute/unmute and remember the previous volume setting when you unmute... |
| 09:46.37 | mgedmin | maybe the n900 is special |
| 09:46.39 | MohammadAG | would be useful tbh |
| 09:46.46 | vi__ | mgedmin: youd think so... |
| 09:46.53 | kerio | the n900 is speshul! |
| 09:47.03 | vi__ | special needs |
| 09:47.35 | vi__ | dbus-send --print-reply --type=method_call --dest=com.nokia.mafw.renderer.Ma |
| 09:47.35 | vi__ | fw-Gst-Renderer-Plugin.gstrenderer /com/nokia/mafw/renderer/gstrenderer com.noki |
| 09:47.35 | vi__ | a.mafw.extension.get_extension_property string:volume | awk '{print $3}' | tail |
| 09:47.36 | vi__ | -n1 |
| 09:48.00 | vi__ | bah xterm, shuvving newlines wherever the fk it feels like |
| 09:48.25 | MohammadAG | FYI, for calls you might need PA API + sink-input-by-media-role:phone |
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| 09:54.52 | lbt | MohammadAG: mgedmin : nope. 1.1 removed cleartext pwd from the config... however : http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Mission_Control ... mc-tool show <account> will show the passwd |
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| 10:50.31 | vdv | inspite i have specified "user" in /etc/fstab for an entry, i still can't mount my microsd as normal user, how can enable mounting as user? |
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| 10:54.05 | jonwil | Do you have the right permissions on the microsd device node? |
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| 11:01.11 | DocScrutinizer | vdv: etc/fstab is cruft |
| 11:02.02 | DocScrutinizer | vdv: look at your "specified user" in there after next boot! ;-D fstab is autogeneretad at boot, it's the initscripts that actually do all the mounts - hardcoded |
| 11:02.21 | DocScrutinizer | so fstab is just a better mounttab |
| 11:03.19 | DocScrutinizer | vdv: alsi see very first line in /etc/fstab - should make you wonder... |
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| 11:03.25 | DocScrutinizer | also* |
| 11:04.26 | DocScrutinizer | s/mounttab/mtab/ |
| 11:05.22 | vdv | DocScrutinizer, ah |
| 11:06.07 | vdv | here's another related problem |
| 11:06.09 | DocScrutinizer | for mounting "as user" probably etc/sudoers.d/* is your friend |
| 11:06.17 | vdv | i've changed sudoers |
| 11:06.21 | vdv | yes |
| 11:06.32 | vdv | and i can mount as user now |
| 11:06.44 | vdv | but still don't have write permissions |
| 11:06.46 | DocScrutinizer | NEVER!!!! NEVER EVER change/edit /etc/sudoers! |
| 11:06.57 | vdv | why? :) |
| 11:07.08 | DocScrutinizer | you'll risk a reflash |
| 11:07.28 | Cor-Ai | indeed... |
| 11:07.35 | DocScrutinizer | use /etc/sudoers.d/<yourfilename> and update-sudoers cmd |
| 11:07.43 | vdv | what i've added is "user ALL = NOPASSWD: /bin/mount /dev/mmcblk1p1 /sdcard" |
| 11:07.59 | vdv | i'll remove that line then |
| 11:08.04 | DocScrutinizer | vdv: /etc/sudoers also is "autogenerated" |
| 11:08.12 | vdv | ah |
| 11:08.31 | vdv | ### Automatically added by update-sudoers start ### |
| 11:08.32 | vdv | lol |
| 11:08.35 | DocScrutinizer | look into update-sudoers |
| 11:08.48 | DocScrutinizer | it's a script afaik |
| 11:08.53 | DocScrutinizer | you'll understand# |
| 11:08.56 | gomiam | DocScrutinizer: what on earth is visudo for then? |
| 11:09.13 | DocScrutinizer | good question |
| 11:09.21 | vdv | yes, i've edited with visudo |
| 11:09.26 | gomiam | because it has worked very well for me |
| 11:09.39 | gomiam | then again I don't remember ever using update-sudoers |
| 11:09.43 | DocScrutinizer | anyway the sudo we got doesn't support #includedir |
| 11:10.01 | DocScrutinizer | so they implemented sudoers.d/ via update-sudoers |
| 11:10.24 | DocScrutinizer | and update-sudoers is run at every boot |
| 11:10.36 | gomiam | oh |
| 11:10.49 | vdv | DocScrutinizer, so i created a new file under sudoers.d/ ? |
| 11:10.58 | DocScrutinizer | so if you mess up sth in etc/sudoers , odds are you're up for a bootloop next boot |
| 11:11.04 | DocScrutinizer | vdv: yes |
| 11:11.12 | vdv | ok |
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| 11:13.22 | MohammadAG | http://wiki.maemo.org/Root_access#A_note_on_sudo vdv DocScrutinizer |
| 11:13.23 | vdv | sudoers updated, mount as user is working |
| 11:13.39 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: I asked for a tracking number, and my ticket was closed without a reply to it :/ |
| 11:14.12 | DocScrutinizer | humm |
| 11:15.00 | MohammadAG | hiemanshu, at least yours shipped |
| 11:15.15 | vdv | so, i have to check now whether my sudoers contains duplicated entries? |
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| 11:15.46 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: I had to email them asking it to be shipped ASAP so it isn't stuck when I am moving houses, but MEH, its a friday, and I at the new place on monday |
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| 11:19.02 | vdv | how must be mount command look like, so that after mounting as user, it will be possible also to write on mounted device? |
| 11:19.42 | vdv | simply "sudo mount /dev/mmcblk1p1 /sdcard" doesn't work |
| 11:20.09 | vdv | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:20.25 | vdv | and others have only read on that dir |
| 11:21.15 | deimos | sudo -t vfat mount /dev/mmcblk1p1 /sdcard |
| 11:21.36 | vdv | it's ext3 |
| 11:21.48 | deimos | sudo -t ext3 mount /dev/mmcblk1p1 /sdcard |
| 11:21.50 | deimos | :) |
| 11:22.02 | vdv | ext3 with mount is default, no? |
| 11:22.19 | MohammadAG | mount -o uid=29999,gid=29999,utf8,dmask=027,fmask=137 /dev/$partitions /media/$partitions |
| 11:22.19 | deimos | you alway put -t arg |
| 11:22.31 | MohammadAG | is a way |
| 11:22.42 | vdv | ah, ok |
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| 11:24.04 | vdv | thanks :) |
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| 11:38.36 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: o/ |
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| 12:03.48 | jonwil | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:04.10 | jonwil | I think I got about 3 or 4 functions left to figure out now |
| 12:04.32 | jonwil | Being able to debug inside hildon-home with gdb has really helped :P |
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| 12:12.27 | DocScrutinizer | jonwil: :-D |
| 12:12.32 | DocScrutinizer | and hi |
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| 12:13.32 | jonwil | with luck I should soon have a clone of connui-cellular-operator-home-item.so :) |
| 12:13.33 | DocScrutinizer | I wonder how this little adventure (debug hildon-home rsp the equiv) would end on harmattan&aegis |
| 12:13.54 | DocScrutinizer | jonwil: you're da king |
| 12:13.57 | jonwil | can you even get a GDB binary for Harmattan? |
| 12:14.06 | DocScrutinizer | I think so |
| 12:14.08 | DocScrutinizer | mompl |
| 12:14.30 | DocScrutinizer | RM680-22-6_PR_RM680:~# apt-cache search gdb |
| 12:14.31 | DocScrutinizer | gdb - The GNU Debugger |
| 12:14.33 | DocScrutinizer | gdbserver - The GNU Debugger (remote server) |
| 12:14.51 | jonwil | ok, nice :) |
| 12:15.15 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, but: |
| 12:15.22 | DocScrutinizer | RM680-22-6_PR_RM680:~# apt-cache search bash |
| 12:15.24 | DocScrutinizer | RM680-22-6_PR_RM680:~# |
| 12:17.01 | jonwil | wonders if the new IDA he downloaded today will help with reverse engineering any of this stuff :P |
| 12:18.18 | mgedmin | in a typical nokia fashion, I had to accept a licence that said "NO REVERSE ENGINEERING OF ANY KIND YOU NAUGHTY PERSON" in order to get a n950 |
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| 12:19.05 | flux | those exact words? cool ;-) |
| 12:19.14 | mgedmin | I'm paraphrasing |
| 12:19.28 | mgedmin | and it's probably illegal in Europe and thus void |
| 12:19.37 | DocScrutinizer | yes, it is |
| 12:19.39 | mgedmin | as long as I'm reverse-engineering for interoperability purposes |
| 12:19.41 | DocScrutinizer | vid in EU |
| 12:19.42 | mgedmin | but meh |
| 12:19.52 | DocScrutinizer | void* |
| 12:20.24 | DocScrutinizer | though only for sw you *bought* |
| 12:20.27 | nid0 | well, its not illegal at all |
| 12:20.32 | mgedmin | if nokia wants to erode their goodwill, who am I to argue? |
| 12:20.32 | nid0 | because you didnt buy the n950 |
| 12:20.56 | jonwil | I suspect Nokia arent going to care about reverse engineering as long as the reverse engineering doesn't hurt Nokia in some way |
| 12:20.59 | nid0 | if theyre lending you one, they can impose whatever the hell restrictions they want |
| 12:21.34 | jonwil | That reminds me, I am going to create a wiki page listing/linking to all the resources out there for source code and things from the N900 |
| 12:21.40 | jonwil | so linking to stuff I have found |
| 12:21.51 | jonwil | As well as anything I posted to the mailing list (via the archives) |
| 12:22.15 | DocScrutinizer | jonwil: friggin useful, go for it |
| 12:22.16 | jonwil | well anything I can remember the location of :) |
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| 12:22.31 | jonwil | Then I will post to the mailing list telling people about the wiki page |
| 12:22.37 | jonwil | and asking for them to throw more information onto it |
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| 12:25.42 | jonwil | Lets call the page "N900 resources" |
| 12:25.56 | jonwil | unless anyone has any other ideas |
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| 12:30.29 | DocScrutinizer | N900 xeno-resources |
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| 12:39.53 | GAN900 | Still stuck in the UK |
| 12:39.55 | GAN900 | what a crock |
| 12:42.31 | Scifig | GAN900, Same here "Processed at EAST MIDLANDS". |
| 12:43.36 | GAN900 | One giant wind up |
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| 12:51.15 | nid0 | maybe ill have to go rob the hell out of that dhl warehouse |
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| 13:09.20 | jonwil | ok, so source code I have found so far: |
| 13:09.37 | jonwil | Maemo and MeeGo gitorius repos |
| 13:09.45 | jonwil | Community SSU repo |
| 13:09.52 | jonwil | maemo5 certman git repo |
| 13:10.18 | jonwil | Maemo Fremantle pool repos (i.e. all of /free/*) |
| 13:10.37 | jonwil | Anyone know of anything else source code related I should know of? |
| 13:11.19 | jonwil | using http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/unstable/beta/Fremantle_Update7_vs_Harmattan_Beta_content_comparison.html to identify possibly interesting packages in Fremantle or Harmattan SDKs |
| 13:11.27 | jonwil | or pools or repos |
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| 13:16.09 | fiferboy | GAN900: Mine has moved on. East Midlands to London, sorting, left London (5 AM?) |
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| 13:18.10 | GeneralAntilles | Waiting until Monday. |
| 13:18.20 | GeneralAntilles | Makes me really dislike Nokia this weekend. |
| 13:19.17 | SpeedEvil | Well... |
| 13:19.32 | fiferboy | GeneralAntilles: You get all weekend to write code with no distractions |
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| 13:22.51 | GeneralAntilles | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4815558/Nokia_N9_RM-696_Service_Manual_L1L2_v1.0.pdf |
| 13:22.58 | GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer, ^ |
| 13:24.24 | DocScrutinizer | WUTWUTUWUT????? |
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| 13:25.16 | DocScrutinizer | WOOOW |
| 13:26.18 | fiferboy | They mispelled MeeGo... |
| 13:26.35 | ShadowJK | "Do not leave the battery connected to a charger for longer than a week, since overcharging may shorten its lifetime." |
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| 13:26.38 | ShadowJK | lol |
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| 13:27.54 | GeneralAntilles | Battery replacement doesn't look too terrible. |
| 13:28.09 | DocScrutinizer | now there's actually hope for schematics any time soon |
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| 13:28.51 | DocScrutinizer | though ""solder components info is not available currently and will be updated later"" |
| 13:29.09 | fiferboy | GeneralAntilles: Where is the N950 service manual? |
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| 13:31.15 | DocScrutinizer | ponders email-pestering service.mauals@nokia.com to send him schematics ;-D |
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| 13:32.08 | javispedro | today the n950 failed spectacularly =) |
| 13:32.12 | ShadowJK | GeneralAntilles, dude what? |
| 13:32.17 | DocScrutinizer | fiferboy: won't appear any time soon. Remember? "no warranty" - so no need to train service point technicians |
| 13:32.23 | GeneralAntilles | ShadowJK, what? |
| 13:32.54 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.knownokia.ca/2011/07/nokia-n9-service-manual.html is where it came from. |
| 13:32.56 | ShadowJK | It's behind the screen, a flex cable, and a few "do not use again" components? :-) |
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| 13:33.17 | javispedro | It missed an SMS, didn't ring when someone called, the call-ui window was empty, added the wrong number to the missed calls list, failed to kill an outgoing call, and hung during poweroff =) |
| 13:33.18 | DocScrutinizer | this N9 L1&2 SM leaking indicates Nokia is about to prepare their service points for N9 rollout |
| 13:33.20 | GeneralAntilles | ShadowJK, as in: not a phone-ending failure. |
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| 13:34.22 | javispedro | puts sim back on n900 |
| 13:34.26 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: epic |
| 13:34.43 | GeneralAntilles | My N900 misses SMSes all the time. |
| 13:34.58 | ShadowJK | Hm, I wonder. Since the battery isn't integrated and not user replaceable, can it still be considered a consumable or does Nokia have to give it 2 year warranty? :-) |
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| 13:35.16 | fiferboy | DocScrutinizer: Good point |
| 13:35.40 | ShadowJK | has never really missed anything with N900 |
| 13:36.53 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: clearly it's under a 2 year warranty then |
| 13:36.56 | javispedro | we want new firmware!! |
| 13:37.00 | javispedro | ;P |
| 13:37.23 | DocScrutinizer | we want javispedro and GeneralAntilles on #harmattan ;-P |
| 13:37.35 | GeneralAntilles | No more channels. |
| 13:38.05 | javispedro | sadly, we're losing the "no more channels" war already. |
| 13:38.14 | DocScrutinizer | drop #meego-handset for it! ;-) |
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| 13:42.04 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, and at what threshold is the battery considered spent? :-) |
| 13:42.20 | ShadowJK | the cpf peopel use 85% or something as threshold, iirc |
| 13:42.41 | ShadowJK | and the RC crowd... when it gets pregnant or blows up |
| 13:43.24 | jonwil | hmmm, anyone got a suggestion as to what I should call the section in this info page for "stuff thats in the fremantle SDK that is worth downloading but that you might not have known about" |
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| 13:43.49 | jonwil | but more concise |
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| 13:44.56 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: good point - I guess bme decides on that, you got a display "Battery status: GOOD" in settings |
| 13:45.18 | GeneralAntilles | javispedro, but we can't surrender! |
| 13:45.24 | DocScrutinizer | NFC what it needs to make this a "POOR" |
| 13:45.34 | ShadowJK | since when has bme been able to make any sensible decisions |
| 13:45.43 | DocScrutinizer | never ever |
| 13:46.25 | javispedro | we do not have to drop the maemo brand even if Nokia did! |
| 13:46.31 | DocScrutinizer | reply question: since when have service point technicians ever been educated to make any sensible decisions? |
| 13:46.43 | ShadowJK | lol |
| 13:47.18 | nid0 | a suprisingly large amount of the n9 is listed by the service manual as having to be thrown away and replaced just to take it apart |
| 13:47.28 | javispedro | nid0: as usual.. |
| 13:47.34 | ShadowJK | 1.5 years ago when the local-ish (50km) service point said F U to Nokia and ceased being a Nokia service point? |
| 13:47.39 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: nobody is going to "drop the maemo brand" |
| 13:48.07 | javispedro | rdate: adjust local clock by 31449601.134596 seconds (lol) |
| 13:48.13 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: au contraire I guess #harmattan will join back to #maemo as soon as market get soaked with N9 |
| 13:48.50 | DocScrutinizer | for now it's highly disturbing to kill the N900 discussions here with harmattan/N950 noise |
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| 13:50.04 | DocScrutinizer | so let's keep this chan for N900 fremantle just a few months longer, until it again suffers the diablo->fremantle aka N900 effect |
| 13:50.08 | RST38h | So, any news about those DDP orders? |
| 13:50.16 | cehteh | well n950 is the final nail in the coffin for the n900, for maemo and for nokias open platform efforts |
| 13:51.11 | DocScrutinizer | cehteh: indeed, and that's why I try to promote the idea of a dedicated channel #harmattan for now |
| 13:51.12 | RST38h | Doc: Wait, it cannot, there are only 250 N950s! |
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| 13:51.53 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: there are a feir bit more than 250 |
| 13:51.57 | DocScrutinizer | fair* |
| 13:51.59 | cehteh | .o(DocScrutinizer sets mode +l250 on #harmattan) |
| 13:52.00 | SpeedEvil | RST38h: Sure it can - if a large fraction of the talk in here gets to be n950 specific, it becomes much less useful for those doing n900 dev |
| 13:52.26 | javispedro | and yet no one created a new #n900 channel during the amsterdam era |
| 13:52.37 | flux | well, someone should've :) |
| 13:52.46 | RST38h | Speed: I think we do not have to worry about too much N950 talk... |
| 13:52.54 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: that's not my fault |
| 13:52.57 | RST38h | still has not got his btw, still registering as "new order" |
| 13:52.58 | cehteh | yeah .. lots people feel bad here when asking about n8xx and n710 |
| 13:53.06 | GeneralAntilles | There was a September proto channel, however. :P |
| 13:53.07 | RST38h | Since the 8th |
| 13:53.23 | ShadowJK | Actually the biggest annoyance about N950 talk is that I can't buy one, and I hate being reminded it exists. |
| 13:53.25 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: exactly |
| 13:53.25 | GeneralAntilles | N710? |
| 13:53.34 | javispedro | friendly-fires on GeneralAntilles for causing me to make a bad point |
| 13:53.39 | Venemo | javispedro, ping |
| 13:53.42 | cehteh | wrong number? i never had one |
| 13:53.49 | javispedro | Venemo: shoot. |
| 13:53.51 | GeneralAntilles | javispedro, but that one involved NDAs. |
| 13:53.57 | GeneralAntilles | cehteh, "Nokia 770" |
| 13:54.02 | cehteh | ok |
| 13:54.59 | cehteh | hey how about a prostest action .. anyone who got a n950 sends it back to nokia because of their politics? |
| 13:55.03 | cehteh | (ok pointless) |
| 13:55.07 | ShadowJK | lol |
| 13:55.12 | javispedro | sighs and ponder surrendering to #harmattan |
| 13:55.30 | cehteh | haha |
| 13:55.46 | Venemo | javispedro, how familiar are you with harmattan's meegotouch-home? if you prefer, let's have the discussion in #harmattan |
| 13:55.46 | DocScrutinizer | and btw #harmattan absolutely not been *my* idea - it seems X-Fade was involved in the birth of this chan |
| 13:55.57 | GeneralAntilles | javispedro, I'm holding out at least 'til Monday, apparently. |
| 13:56.19 | Venemo | what, #harmattan is a good channel |
| 13:56.23 | GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer, oh, well, in that case I should join right up. :P |
| 13:56.25 | DocScrutinizer | so it sounds a bit silly to insist in discussing harmattan stuff here, for now |
| 13:56.55 | javispedro | mgedmin: would it be plausible for povbot to start logging #harmattan? |
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| 13:57.01 | cehteh | well serious question, anyone here considering to port apps to WP7? no i dont want to blame anyone, but i am curious if noka can attract single developers from the free software scene |
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| 13:57.14 | jonwil | Not me, I HATE WP7 |
| 13:57.17 | Venemo | javispedro, #harmattan is logged |
| 13:57.20 | javispedro | does anyone here know anything about .NET CF? |
| 13:57.22 | javispedro | noone? |
| 13:57.25 | cehteh | porting to wp7 will be certainly quite some efforts |
| 13:57.32 | jonwil | If I was going to develop for anything else other than the N900, it would be Android |
| 13:57.41 | javispedro | Venemo: but refresh daily |
| 13:57.52 | Venemo | javispedro, WP7 is not based on .NET CF, but in case you're wondering, yes I know a lot about Silverlight |
| 13:57.52 | javispedro | Venemo: instead of 5-minutely like on povbot's site. |
| 13:57.55 | Venemo | aah |
| 13:58.48 | cehteh | thinks that developing/porting apps to wp7 is only feasible for moderately big software houses who can hire some devs |
| 13:59.01 | javispedro | Venemo: Silverlight is based on .NET CF? |
| 13:59.09 | Venemo | javispedro, no, it is not |
| 13:59.20 | javispedro | hm.. |
| 13:59.22 | cehteh | there is no QT on WP7 either or? |
| 13:59.33 | javispedro | Venemo: either way, the Harmattan meegotouchhome is mostly closed |
| 13:59.38 | Venemo | javispedro, Silverlight is a technology originally made to kill Flash, but its apparent lack of portability made it not succeed. |
| 14:00.02 | Venemo | javispedro, that is sad. I wish we could fix the redraw issue when it rotates to landscape |
| 14:00.17 | javispedro | Venemo: other than where the closed stuff is I don't know much about it. |
| 14:00.40 | Venemo | javispedro, is the app grid closed? |
| 14:00.43 | javispedro | yes |
| 14:00.44 | mgedmin | javispedro, yes, I can set up #harmattan logging |
| 14:00.47 | Venemo | :( |
| 14:00.50 | Venemo | :(:(:( |
| 14:00.59 | javispedro | mgedmin: thank you very much! |
| 14:02.37 | jonwil | It sucks that all the desktop and home and interface for Harmattan is closed when the same things on Fremantle were open :) |
| 14:02.42 | jonwil | that should be :( |
| 14:02.44 | jonwil | not :) |
| 14:02.47 | javispedro | Nokia has done an interesting move here |
| 14:03.03 | javispedro | they have provided open but more simplistic equivalents |
| 14:03.20 | javispedro | ie they have provided a simpler meegotouchhome, a simpler compositor |
| 14:03.26 | javispedro | (because yes, the compositor also has a closed plugin) |
| 14:03.38 | jonwil | so basically they didnt want to share their fancy new UX for Harmattan |
| 14:03.42 | javispedro | basically. |
| 14:04.34 | Venemo | could we use the open app grid plugin (from meego ce) in harmattan? |
| 14:05.50 | Tronic | cehteh: You cannot port applications to WP7. You rewrite them from scratch. |
| 14:05.55 | Venemo | weirdly, this issue only happens when it rotates from portrait to landscape or when it rotates back and it's already there. |
| 14:06.19 | Venemo | if I make the it redrawn (swipe away and back), then it rotates back to portrait without issue |
| 14:06.24 | Tronic | Same for Android (if not using NDK) and iOS (if not using C++ as ObjC++). |
| 14:06.26 | cehteh | Tronic: well sometimes a port is rather a rewrite .. but that depends on the application and platform |
| 14:06.44 | Venemo | Tronic, there is Qt for Android! |
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| 14:07.02 | Tronic | But consider PC, Mac, N900, N9, even some Symbian I suppose: you write the program once and compile for all these platforms (with minor changes). |
| 14:07.16 | javispedro | and iOS and Android. |
| 14:07.20 | javispedro | and WebOS. |
| 14:07.36 | Tronic | Venemo: That's why I said without NDK. |
| 14:08.04 | Venemo | ah. |
| 14:08.08 | javispedro | at least if you're using SDL and OpenGL ES 2 you can these days write a game that is 99.9% source portable between PC, Mac, N900, N9, iOS, Android and WebOS ;) |
| 14:08.42 | Tronic | javispedro: Didn't know there were Qt ports to iOS and WebOS, or what did you refer to? |
| 14:08.50 | javispedro | I mentioned SDL |
| 14:09.30 | javispedro | and the list doesn't end there: Nintendo DS, Wii, ... |
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| 14:09.42 | javispedro | (but those two without OGL2 =) ) |
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| 14:10.45 | Tronic | I wish they'd publish a GLES 3.0 already. |
| 14:11.12 | Tronic | Adding geometry shaders and better API sync with OGL 4.1. |
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| 14:11.46 | Tronic | Most importantly new GLSL version because there have been major syntactical changes. |
| 14:11.51 | jonwil | So yeah should also be possible to make that game portable on most linux distros |
| 14:12.08 | Tronic | jonwil: Source code portable, you'd still have to compile it for each distro. |
| 14:12.15 | jonwil | yeah |
| 14:12.19 | jonwil | yeah |
| 14:12.27 | Tronic | jonwil: ... or try to hack together a statically linked 32 bit binary with everything built into it. |
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| 14:15.49 | Tronic | Of course it would also be helpful if desktop Linux open-source drivers supported even OpenGL 3.x (hopefully 4.1 as well), they are still stuck with 2.1. The new versions are great but development sucks when you are stuck with these obsolete platforms. |
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| 14:26.45 | jonwil | I have seen some developers blame software patents for that situation |
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| 14:30.56 | jonwil | my god the Nokia QT SDK is taking forever to install |
| 14:31.04 | jonwil | it wants to install something called madde and I cant turn it off... |
| 14:31.28 | DocScrutinizer | mgedmin: (#harmattan loggin) much appreciated, go ahead |
| 14:31.56 | jonwil | what IS madde anyway? |
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| 14:32.59 | ruskie | some IDE I thought |
| 14:33.49 | javispedro | madde is a) a set of armel cross compilers b) all of the platform header files c) a copy of Fremantle ROM |
| 14:34.14 | javispedro | so that you can build "cross-compilable" applications in any platform where the cross compilers run |
| 14:34.35 | javispedro | you can build Qt apps for the N900 on Windows with it , for example. |
| 14:34.47 | javispedro | but you cannot run a GNU configure script, for another example. |
| 14:35.00 | javispedro | and using the ROM + qemu you can test the applications. |
| 14:35.04 | javispedro | but this works utterly slow. |
| 14:35.38 | DocScrutinizer | so it's basically true crosscompile vs the SB qemu "native" build process |
| 14:35.42 | DocScrutinizer | ? |
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| 14:44.54 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: yes. |
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| 15:03.33 | jonwil | bah, looks like the cellmo-headers stuff isnt in the QT SDK anymore |
| 15:10.51 | jonwil | Add that to the list of things that used to be public but are now gone :( |
| 15:11.04 | jonwil | oh wait let me try this download |
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| 15:37.40 | jonwil | ok, gotta rebuild some X stuff on my gentoo box then I can try the download I found and see what happens when I run and install it |
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| 15:41.14 | DocScrutinizer | jonwil: I hope ~50000 people have the SDK download that still has the good stuff |
| 15:41.43 | rm_work | is there an SDK download that is... better? lol |
| 15:41.43 | jonwil | I found a file that should have it |
| 15:41.55 | rm_work | if so, mirror it somewhere plz :P |
| 15:41.58 | rm_work | and i'll mirror it |
| 15:42.13 | jonwil | no, its just an old SDK that had some headers the newest one does not |
| 15:42.19 | DocScrutinizer | rm_work: [2011-07-15 17:03:32] <jonwil> bah, looks like the cellmo-headers stuff isnt in the QT SDK anymore |
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| 15:42.29 | jonwil | I am going to do a compare between the 2 soon and see what has changed |
| 15:42.38 | rm_work | ah |
| 15:42.41 | rm_work | likely a bug? |
| 15:42.48 | DocScrutinizer | an ooopsie |
| 15:42.52 | jonwil | likely intentional |
| 15:42.54 | rm_work | or would they seriously remove that :/ |
| 15:43.02 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 15:43.04 | rm_work | an oppsie that they were there to begin with? |
| 15:43.05 | jonwil | It was probably an oopsie that they ended up in the SDK in the first place |
| 15:43.10 | rm_work | k |
| 15:43.12 | DocScrutinizer | rm_work: yes |
| 15:43.12 | jonwil | and also I will find the right link to the old 1.0.x SDK |
| 15:43.17 | jonwil | which is still available for download |
| 15:44.17 | DocScrutinizer | recalls he has to trigger another wget job on his server with the big backbone |
| 15:47.50 | jonwil | ok, so to finish my info posts, I gotta check the mailing list archives for info, finish playing with the QT SDKs, identify any of the .debs I have with interesting bits in their documentation folders and finish checking the irc logs for any links that linked to interesting content |
| 15:48.03 | jonwil | i.e. all the stuff I and others have linked to in IRC but never linked anywhere else |
| 15:51.07 | DocScrutinizer | a daunting task |
| 15:51.28 | jonwil | not really, I have a text file containing the search results of the IRC logs for http:// |
| 15:51.35 | jonwil | sorted by username |
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| 15:51.44 | jonwil | so I will sort though looking for relavent links |
| 15:51.46 | jonwil | :) |
| 15:52.32 | rlinfati | hi, how match time take the option erase-mmc of the flasher on the n950 ? |
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| 15:53.56 | DocScrutinizer | rlinfati: you might get better response on #harmattan |
| 15:55.41 | Sicelo | h-e-n ftw. thanks to all involved |
| 15:57.57 | DocScrutinizer | Sicelo: yw |
| 15:58.05 | DocScrutinizer | Sicelo: hope you enjoy it |
| 16:00.22 | jonwil | bah, turns out the cellmo headers were NOT removed from the QT SDK |
| 16:00.29 | jonwil | I was just looking in the wrong place :( |
| 16:03.23 | rm_work | lol |
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| 16:12.04 | rlinfati | how i can login to ovi maps ? :S |
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| 16:16.32 | pauly | hey any idea how to clear all personal data off n900 without usb? |
| 16:16.53 | pauly | like wipe it clean |
| 16:17.20 | flux | pauly, I think there is an option for that.. if not in seetings, then perhaps in file manager. |
| 16:18.06 | jonwil | sorting through these IRC logs is not that hard, it shouldn't be rocket science to eliminate large chunks of the logs just based on the domain |
| 16:18.10 | pauly | flux: what about the rootfs side? |
| 16:18.14 | Tronic | pauly: you will need to use dd from rootshell to wipe mydocs and home partitions. |
| 16:18.27 | jonwil | e.g. anything from YouTube isn't going to be interesting |
| 16:18.36 | Tronic | any other option is not secure and the data may be restored. |
| 16:18.48 | rm_work | jonwil: unless it's EXTREMELY interesting |
| 16:18.52 | rm_work | in which case, it is :P |
| 16:19.12 | Tronic | notice that after wiping your device wont work and requires full reflash |
| 16:19.12 | jonwil | I mean interesting in the context of having source code/info that Maemo guys might care about |
| 16:19.20 | mgedmin | why without usb? did it break? |
| 16:19.23 | rm_work | i've seen some useful stuff on youtube |
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| 16:19.41 | pauly | yeah its my old n900 |
| 16:19.44 | rm_work | but i guess it'd still be a good place to start |
| 16:19.53 | jonwil | yeah but you dont put source code on YouTube |
| 16:19.59 | jonwil | or tools or binaries |
| 16:20.05 | rm_work | i suppose :P |
| 16:20.12 | jonwil | I am only interested in source code or headers or things of that nature |
| 16:20.26 | jonwil | i.e. hidden stuff that may make Fremantle just that little bit more open |
| 16:20.28 | Tronic | i dont think there is anything interesting on rootfs but you may dd wipe that after the others to be sure. |
| 16:20.56 | pauly | i want to sell on ebay |
| 16:20.57 | jonwil | needs a command to say "take this file and remove all lines with <this string> in it |
| 16:21.12 | rm_work | grep -v |
| 16:21.17 | pauly | broke usb and broke screen |
| 16:21.35 | mgedmin | ouch, doing it blind! |
| 16:21.37 | mgedmin | or do you have ssh? |
| 16:21.40 | rm_work | jonwil: cat file | grep -v 'this string' > newfile |
| 16:21.55 | pauly | not blind im using tv out :) |
| 16:22.05 | rm_work | pauly: lol |
| 16:22.43 | pauly | im backing up all my personal stuff using cp to the mmc1 sc card |
| 16:22.50 | rm_work | jonwil: can also do it with sed, but i hate remembering all the sed syntax |
| 16:22.57 | pauly | then after that ill wipe it |
| 16:23.01 | jonwil | grep works |
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| 16:23.36 | rm_work | i even hate remembering proper grep syntax to not need the "cat file | " |
| 16:24.01 | ruskie | you are joking? |
| 16:24.08 | ruskie | grep -whatever-opts "search" file |
| 16:24.10 | nid0 | itd just be grep -v 'string' file > newfile |
| 16:24.45 | pauly | i sold my good condition n900 for $187 usd yay! |
| 16:25.05 | ruskie | hmm cheap |
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| 16:33.11 | Choom | I doubt I'll sell mine |
| 16:33.35 | Choom | unless I can run a terminal on an N9 I'll be rather split |
| 16:34.14 | kerio | i really want a refined n950 |
| 16:34.14 | kerio | with MOAR SPACE |
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| 16:41.36 | ShadowJK | the N9/N950 CPU&RAM in N900 would be a nice device |
| 16:42.05 | rm_work | lol ruskie/nid0, seriously ALWAYS forget the arg order for grep, it's like some sort of mental block... i remember all the args for tons of other complicated stuff, but never grep T_T |
| 16:42.10 | mgedmin | would prefer the N900 software in the N950 hardware |
| 16:42.16 | rm_work | even though i prolly use grep more often |
| 16:42.21 | ruskie | rm_work, there is no order really |
| 16:42.30 | rm_work | grep "search" file |
| 16:42.35 | ruskie | you can even do: grep "whatever" file -params |
| 16:42.36 | mgedmin | useful quick mnemonic: you pass only one regex to grep, but you can pass as many files as you like |
| 16:42.38 | rm_work | i always try grep file "search" first |
| 16:42.39 | ruskie | iirc |
| 16:42.57 | mgedmin | and variable-numbered arguments are typically specified last |
| 16:43.01 | rm_work | mgedmin: ah, yeah, that makes sense :P we'll see if i remember |
| 16:43.20 | DocScrutinizer | pauly: for all that's reasonable I'd just do a rm -rf ~user/ |
| 16:43.26 | rm_work | i think it's carryover from programming |
| 16:43.48 | rm_work | for regex it's always "searchFunction(sourceString, patternString) |
| 16:43.49 | rm_work | " |
| 16:44.01 | DocScrutinizer | otherwise you'll brick the device, in a real sense of "bricking" as you don't have USB to reflash it |
| 16:44.35 | mgedmin | can a device survive with an empty /home/user? |
| 16:44.54 | mgedmin | I seem to recall horror stories from ancient n800 times where an error in /home/user/.profile would prevent the device from booting |
| 16:45.10 | ShadowJK | probably not |
| 16:45.16 | pauly | doc: whats that do? |
| 16:46.00 | ShadowJK | There's actually a skeleton /home/user backup in /etc somewhere. If emmc is dead, the system creates a /home on the nand, and copies the bare bones $home to it |
| 16:46.23 | DocScrutinizer | pauly: it will delete all the stuff you stored to user's home, like widgets, highscores, SIP accounts, whatnot else |
| 16:46.53 | pauly | Docscrutinizer: what about rootfs, do u think any personal data will be on there |
| 16:47.02 | DocScrutinizer | usually not |
| 16:47.30 | pauly | Docscrutinizer: thanks |
| 16:47.44 | pauly | anyone want an n900 with a broken screen / broken usb? |
| 16:48.13 | DocScrutinizer | anyway listen to ShadowJK - even deleting home/user/* may cause your device to not bootup anymore |
| 16:48.39 | DocScrutinizer | pauly: I think SpeedEvil might be interested |
| 16:48.43 | pauly | ya thats all i need |
| 16:48.51 | pauly | lol thanks doc |
| 16:49.06 | SpeedEvil | pauly: Somewhat |
| 16:49.30 | pauly | okay |
| 16:49.37 | SpeedEvil | pauly: I've got one with a dodgy modem, and swappig it if I can get the USB working would be good |
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| 16:50.25 | pauly | speedevil: well i sent it to repair center they fixed usb then it broke again |
| 16:50.32 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
| 16:51.03 | pauly | speedevil: the port fell off but idk if u can just put one on |
| 16:51.14 | SpeedEvil | It's generally not that simple. |
| 16:51.24 | SpeedEvil | Usually as I understad it, pads will have been ripped off. |
| 16:51.38 | SpeedEvil | It's generally a tricky task to solder it on. |
| 16:51.49 | DocScrutinizer | yup, but feasible |
| 16:51.57 | DocScrutinizer | for a bravehearted EE |
| 16:51.59 | pauly | speedevil: like i said i think they fixed it once? |
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| 16:52.09 | SpeedEvil | Or maybe swapped the board. |
| 16:52.30 | mgedmin | I've heard horror stories about people bringing n900s to repair centres and getting back n8s, since the n900s are no longer available |
| 16:52.31 | pauly | speedevil: idk |
| 16:53.00 | pauly | mgedmin: i actually sold my n900 to get an n8 |
| 16:53.09 | mgedmin | :) |
| 16:53.24 | Sicelo | so u have N8 already? |
| 16:53.41 | pauly | not yet |
| 16:53.57 | pauly | i sold it fot 187 usd on ebay |
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| 17:10.04 | GeneralAntilles | W T F : http://www.blogger.com/static/v1/widgets/1976720479-widget_css_2_bundle.css |
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| 18:29.23 | pauly | needing help i tried using cp to copy data from a directory in mydocs too mmc1 |
| 18:29.49 | pauly | but it didnt work |
| 18:31.01 | pauly | when i cd to mmc1 and hit ls to see if anything transferd i got an input output error |
| 18:33.39 | pauly | i have no usb im using tv out and touch panel dont work so i just got xterm and mmc1? |
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| 18:34.30 | SpeedEvil | you have the back cover on? |
| 18:34.54 | pauly | ya |
| 18:35.37 | SpeedEvil | dmesg shows anything? |
| 18:35.48 | pauly | i dont know? |
| 18:36.22 | SpeedEvil | errors, for example |
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| 18:37.01 | pauly | i got to turn it on |
| 18:37.20 | pauly | is that the best way to get the data out of it? |
| 18:37.32 | pauly | what else would work |
| 18:38.06 | SpeedEvil | rsync |
| 18:38.09 | SpeedEvil | how much data? |
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| 18:38.36 | pauly | if i remeber correctly like 8-12 gb |
| 18:38.47 | pauly | i had all of our pics on it |
| 18:39.06 | SpeedEvil | That's a couple of hours, so you won't get that off on wifi on one charge at least |
| 18:40.02 | pauly | i know |
| 18:40.04 | SpeedEvil | can you access the files from the UI? |
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| 18:40.15 | SpeedEvil | the mmc |
| 18:40.29 | pauly | touch panel is crazy couldnt open file manager |
| 18:40.45 | pauly | mmc1 is sd card? |
| 18:41.21 | pauly | my only option was to open xterm using shift x ctrl |
| 18:42.21 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 18:42.37 | SpeedEvil | I think mmc1 is emmc |
| 18:42.39 | SpeedEvil | hangon |
| 18:42.50 | SpeedEvil | 0 is emmc |
| 18:42.59 | pauly | that makes sence |
| 18:43.06 | pauly | oops |
| 18:43.08 | SpeedEvil | What does mount show |
| 18:43.12 | SpeedEvil | is it mounted at all? |
| 18:43.13 | SpeedEvil | mmc1 |
| 18:43.28 | SpeedEvil | I'd first try tking the mmc out and formatting it in some PC |
| 18:43.32 | pauly | its off now im charging batt using my good n900 |
| 18:43.39 | SpeedEvil | then plugging it back inn ad see it it is automounted |
| 18:43.59 | pauly | so i should try again using cp |
| 18:44.04 | SpeedEvil | If you can charge teh battery a couple of times, I'd not bother |
| 18:44.11 | SpeedEvil | I'd just apt-get install rsync |
| 18:44.17 | SpeedEvil | then just use that to copy over mydocs |
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| 18:44.49 | pauly | ya but wouldnt it get messed up |
| 18:45.01 | pauly | since all data wouldnt transfer |
| 18:45.05 | pauly | on 1 charge |
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| 18:50.57 | pauly | ? |
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| 18:58.53 | SpeedEvil | No - that's the nice bit about rsync |
| 18:59.02 | SpeedEvil | It only transfers new bits of file. |
| 18:59.04 | SpeedEvil | s |
| 18:59.18 | pauly | oh |
| 18:59.29 | pauly | i was reading on wiki about it |
| 18:59.37 | DocScrutinizer | mmc0 is the first one detected |
| 19:00.25 | pauly | ? |
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| 19:01.02 | ioan | hi. what's the name of the suite of applications for bluetooth monitoring? |
| 19:01.10 | DocScrutinizer | that's some weird stuff going on with mmc renaming during boot, that afects naming when or when not you have a uSD inserted |
| 19:01.41 | DocScrutinizer | some parts of kernel still refer to uSD as mmc0 after hte rename |
| 19:03.04 | pauly | im a linux newb so i guess if i just cd to /media and see what directory is there? |
| 19:03.34 | mgedmin | yeah |
| 19:03.39 | mgedmin | you'll see both, I believe |
| 19:03.59 | pauly | ohhh |
| 19:04.06 | mgedmin | wait, no, eMMC is mounted on /home/user/MyDocs, not in /media |
| 19:04.07 | mgedmin | sorry |
| 19:04.31 | pauly | im looking for sd card |
| 19:05.44 | mgedmin | google tells me /media/mmc1 is the right place |
| 19:06.39 | DocScrutinizer | uSD is under /media |
| 19:06.48 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 19:07.33 | pauly | so if i want to see size of Mydocs to see if it will fit on 16gb sd car ill type du /Mydocs |
| 19:07.40 | pauly | cool |
| 19:07.42 | DocScrutinizer | but when you look up e.g. dmesg errors you might find uSD referred to as mmc0 |
| 19:07.44 | pauly | linux is easy |
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| 19:08.28 | mgedmin | on my n900 /dev/mmcblk0 is the builtin eMMC; I've never plugged in an sd card |
| 19:08.47 | pauly | thanks |
| 19:08.55 | DocScrutinizer | du -hsx MyDocs might even be nicer |
| 19:09.14 | pauly | whats -hsx flag? |
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| 19:09.31 | DocScrutinizer | mgedmin: yes, if you boot with no uSD in, then eMMC is mmc0 |
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| 19:10.29 | Scifig | I used to build and sign package with dpkg-buildpackage -sa -rfakeroot -k<emailaddress>. I think i lost the keys when i reinstalled scratchbox. Now extras builder is rejecting my package. |
| 19:10.31 | DocScrutinizer | -h is human-readable, s is "only top directory shown", and x is "don't follow links to other filesystems" |
| 19:10.40 | Scifig | Builder says - "gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found" |
| 19:11.02 | Scifig | How do I export the new public key and where do I update it on garage? |
| 19:11.03 | DocScrutinizer | probably x is useless for MyDocs |
| 19:11.36 | pauly | i dont know if i need s since i need subdirectorys |
| 19:11.56 | DocScrutinizer | you don't want to get them listed though, I guess |
| 19:12.06 | pauly | ? |
| 19:12.22 | pauly | oh |
| 19:12.31 | pauly | to show |
| 19:12.31 | DocScrutinizer | without -s you get *many* lines of output |
| 19:12.39 | pauly | cool |
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| 19:12.58 | pauly | thanks so much |
| 19:13.02 | DocScrutinizer | yw |
| 19:13.09 | pauly | so just rsync all the data |
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| 19:16.30 | DocScrutinizer | what was that trick to avoid swap bringing large copies to a grinding halt? echo 0 >/proc/swappiness or sth? |
| 19:17.00 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: ^^^ |
| 19:17.33 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: you might recall as well ^^^ |
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| 19:18.20 | SpeedEvil | Don't |
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| 19:18.33 | SpeedEvil | rsync - locally - bypasses it |
| 19:18.57 | DocScrutinizer | ooh it does? |
| 19:19.23 | DocScrutinizer | suggests >> echo 30 >/proc/sys/vm/swappiness << |
| 19:19.43 | DocScrutinizer | *might* help |
| 19:19.49 | rm_work | thats what swappolube does too right? |
| 19:19.55 | pauly | SpeedEvil do i need to set any options with rsync or just rsync /MyDocs media/mmc1 |
| 19:19.56 | DocScrutinizer | yup |
| 19:20.49 | Scifig | I used to build and sign package with dpkg-buildpackage -sa -rfakeroot -k<emailaddress>. I think i lost the keys when i reinstalled scratchbox. Now extras builder is rejecting my package. |
| 19:20.59 | Scifig | Docscrutinizer - Any thoughts ^^^ ? |
| 19:21.15 | SpeedEvil | pauly: yes - that works |
| 19:21.18 | DocScrutinizer | sorry, no idea |
| 19:21.45 | javispedro | Scifig: you do not need to sign packages |
| 19:21.50 | GeneralAntilles | Still stuck in the UK. |
| 19:21.51 | GeneralAntilles | Bleh |
| 19:21.54 | javispedro | how are you uploading them? |
| 19:22.02 | javispedro | GeneralAntilles: ah well, monday afternoon then =) |
| 19:22.02 | DocScrutinizer | pauly: you'll notice the / is odd at head of MyDocs |
| 19:22.10 | Scifig | javispedro, Extras assistant (web based) |
| 19:22.14 | GeneralAntilles | javispedro, kill me. |
| 19:22.41 | javispedro | Scifig: so, no need to sign packages at all. |
| 19:22.52 | javispedro | Scifig: if you want to, generate a new key, etc. But only uberparanoids or geeks do that. |
| 19:22.57 | javispedro | (like me =) ) |
| 19:23.13 | javispedro | ~kill GeneralAntilles |
| 19:23.13 | infobot | ACTION shoots a hyper-charged anti-meson gun at GeneralAntilles |
| 19:24.01 | Scifig | javispedro, I stopped signing after the error came up. Don't know whether it is recommended to sign or not. I guess the standard commands on maemo.org wiki included -k<emailid> i guess. Thats why i started doing that |
| 19:24.40 | pauly | DocScrutinizer: i dont understand? |
| 19:25.04 | Scifig | Will there be any possible issues with aegis with signing/not signing once there is a repo for harmattan? |
| 19:25.07 | javispedro | Scifig: well, no need to. If you want to continue doing it, then google for "debian packcage signing" or the like |
| 19:25.16 | javispedro | Scifig: nope |
| 19:25.44 | rm_work | GeneralAntilles: T_T |
| 19:25.54 | Scifig | javispedro, Thanks |
| 19:26.08 | rm_work | GeneralAntilles: I just hope it eventually LEAVES the UK T_T |
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| 19:26.27 | javispedro | it'll probably move on saturday |
| 19:26.50 | DocScrutinizer | pauly: if you're "lucky" and SpeedEvil is wrong (he usually isn't) then odds are your copy/rsync will get *very* slow after a while. the echo 30>... will maybe avoid this |
| 19:26.51 | Scifig | GeneralAntilles, Does DHL work on Saturdays, or is it just my dream? |
| 19:26.52 | GAN900 | Jaffa's padding his collection |
| 19:27.11 | GAN900 | Scifig, don't think they do. |
| 19:27.15 | javispedro | DHL works on Saturdays, couriers do not. |
| 19:27.21 | GAN900 | "business day" seems to be the wording. |
| 19:27.35 | Scifig | Monday it is then. |
| 19:27.38 | pauly | DocScrutinizer: i was talking about the / being odd on mydocs? |
| 19:27.53 | DocScrutinizer | aah /MyDocs doesn't exist |
| 19:28.06 | pauly | oh |
| 19:29.05 | pauly | \ |
| 19:29.16 | pauly | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:35.52 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, echo 1 > /proc/sys/vm/swappiness; echo 8192 > /sys/block/mmcblk0/nr_requests |
| 19:36.23 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: thanks |
| 19:36.24 | ShadowJK | the swappiness things adds some jitter/stutter to some things |
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| 19:37.38 | DocScrutinizer | better than a freeze, on cp ~user/MyDocs/really-huge-file /media/mmc1/ |
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| 19:43.46 | pabs3 | how goes the N950 DocScrutinizer ? |
| 19:43.50 | ShadowJK | also do mmcblk1 in that echo |
| 19:44.02 | ShadowJK | both mmcblk0 and mmcblk1 |
| 19:45.57 | DocScrutinizer | pabs3: well, not my favourite device. Nothing new after all, knew that beforehand |
| 19:47.30 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: thanks, missed that bit |
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| 19:52.52 | pauly | doc: Speedevil: hey i get a skipped directory MyDocs |
| 19:53.02 | pauly | when trying to use rsync |
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| 20:27.09 | javispedro | s/what to ask/what to answer/ |
| 20:28.16 | cehteh | c:\cygwin\usr\include\ :) |
| 20:28.44 | javispedro | good point. |
| 20:28.44 | pabs3 | reply "lol" |
| 20:28.44 | cehteh | (no i dont use windows, that was only a guess) |
| 20:29.07 | javispedro | actually, I usually get questions the opposite direction, so this one kinda surprised me. |
| 20:29.10 | pabs3 | there is a copy in wine's msvcrt dir, so presumably ms msvcrt has one too |
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| 21:12.04 | Jaffa | GAN900: Never heard it called that before |
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| 21:14.38 | GAN900 | Jaffa, your pile of N950s? |
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| 21:15.43 | Jaffa | GAN900: The collective noun for N950s is "murder" ;-) |
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| 21:20.50 | tim_abell | hi all, i wonder if anyone can help. my ubuntu pc doesn't seem to be able to see any of my photos on my maemo n900 over bluetooth. i've searched around a bit and am stumped. |
| 21:21.55 | Jaffa | has had lots of problems with his N900 and Bluetooth interoperability. But without solution (apart from, get N950) |
| 21:22.06 | tim_abell | there's an n950? |
| 21:22.58 | SpeedEvil | Not for normal people :) |
| 21:23.08 | SpeedEvil | Only devs, and they're all allocated. |
| 21:23.15 | tim_abell | oh hello SpeedEvil where do I know you from? |
| 21:23.21 | tim_abell | openmoko? |
| 21:23.40 | SpeedEvil | Which is an annoying decision, as it's a platform with a keyboard, unlike the schedules mass production version. |
| 21:23.41 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 21:23.52 | SpeedEvil | also perhaps openstreetmap a bit? |
| 21:24.01 | ShadowJK | tim_abell: any files visible? |
| 21:24.03 | tim_abell | i guess i should expect to see some familiar nicks round here |
| 21:24.12 | tim_abell | yes, everything except the dcim folder :-/ |
| 21:24.28 | ShadowJK | weird.. |
| 21:24.42 | SpeedEvil | I've never actually tried that - I diddn't think it worked. |
| 21:24.56 | DocScrutinizer | hi tim_abell |
| 21:25.04 | SpeedEvil | Maybe this was somethign that diddn't work in earlier PR's |
| 21:25.42 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:25.43 | tim_abell | it was almost perfect, pairing was beautiful easy and seamless. right click the bluetooth icon, browse files, up they pop |
| 21:26.09 | tim_abell | yeah that one. shows as "Camera" in the phone file manager, but the console gives the lie to that |
| 21:26.20 | SpeedEvil | Also - you've not got the device plugged in? |
| 21:26.37 | tim_abell | well, to the mains adapter for power, but not to the pc |
| 21:26.38 | SpeedEvil | If you have, it will unmount it if you've got mass storage eabled. |
| 21:26.45 | SpeedEvil | ah - not the case then |
| 21:27.44 | DocScrutinizer | you checked if BT does insert some similar lies like "Camera"? |
| 21:28.19 | tim_abell | tim@atom:~/.gvfs/Deep thought $ ls |
| 21:28.20 | tim_abell | Audio clips Data Documents Images Memory card Video clips |
| 21:28.20 | DocScrutinizer | maybe now it's "Pictures" or "Images" or whatever? |
| 21:28.41 | ShadowJK | it does actually insert "Camera" |
| 21:28.45 | ShadowJK | but it's empty |
| 21:29.06 | ShadowJK | Data/DCIM :-) |
| 21:29.42 | tim_abell | on the phone "ls /home/user/MyDocs/DCIM/" shows all my jpgs |
| 21:30.59 | tim_abell | hang on the phone went to sleep, misbehaving now |
| 21:32.51 | ShadowJK | My N810 went misbehaving browsing photos on N900 over BT :-) |
| 21:33.36 | DocScrutinizer | My BT is "gone" on my desktop :-o |
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| 21:34.00 | DocScrutinizer | used to have that systray icon when plugging in the BT dongle... |
| 21:34.36 | tim_abell | i bought a dlink bluetooth dongle dbt-122 if i remember correctly, and it works fab on ubuntu. couldn't get it work on windows for the life of me |
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| 21:37.48 | ShadowJK | streams mp3 from N900 to N810 over BT |
| 21:38.03 | ShadowJK | N810 is pretty darn good at communication |
| 21:38.04 | tim_abell | now that's cool |
| 21:38.10 | DocScrutinizer | Jul 15 23:29:58 halley bluetoothd[21752]: Can't load plugin /usr/lib/bluetooth/plugins/netlink.so: /usr/lib/bluetooth/plugins/netlink.so: undefined symbol: debug |
| 21:38.12 | DocScrutinizer | Jul 15 23:29:58 halley bluetoothd[21752]: Parsing /etc/bluetooth/network.conf failed: No such file or directory |
| 21:38.14 | DocScrutinizer | :-/ |
| 21:38.17 | ShadowJK | well, if you ignore the missing cellular |
| 21:38.43 | tim_abell | you could leave the n810 plugged into your hifi stack which is what i would do |
| 21:39.26 | ShadowJK | nah, N810 audio output is poor |
| 21:39.42 | ShadowJK | you can even hear the noise floor in the built in speakers |
| 21:39.49 | tim_abell | oh shame. i'm pleased with the n900's headphone out |
| 21:41.00 | ShadowJK | The speakers in N810 are awesome, and makes up somewhat for the noisy amp |
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| 21:46.36 | tim_abell | hrmph browse isn't working at all now. brb going to restart |
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| 21:46.58 | ShadowJK | Seems to be using as much powe to play from BT as from mSD |
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| 21:53.17 | ShadowJK | 130-140 mA with screen locked and cpu locked to 125MHz |
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| 21:54.06 | tim_abell | right, thanks for the tips, my photos are indeed in data/dcim |
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| 21:54.08 | tim_abell | hurrah |
| 21:54.12 | Atarii | ls |
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| 22:26.53 | Hurrian | i just had an idea |
| 22:27.22 | Hurrian | why not use the blank initfs to store an initramfs that sets up encryption on the N900? |
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| 22:36.11 | DocScrutinizer | wonders if NOLO would somehow make use of anything on initfs partition, e.g. by passing the according parameters to kernel |
| 22:39.18 | javispedro | NOLO is the one that should load the initfs, so either it is already loading it and passing garbage to the kernel which ignores it, or it is not doing anything and thus never will do anythin. |
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| 22:42.58 | Hurrian | isnt initfs on the n900 blank? |
| 22:43.22 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 22:44.13 | Hurrian | hmm, i wonder if we could make an initfs |
| 22:44.18 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: I thought kernel would load the initrd |
| 22:44.42 | Hurrian | even better, why not boot a ramdisk for the fastest boots ever? |
| 22:44.44 | javispedro | kernel doesn't know how to mmc |
| 22:44.50 | DocScrutinizer | aah |
| 22:44.50 | javispedro | not at that boot stage at least. |
| 22:44.52 | DocScrutinizer | hmm |
| 22:45.16 | DocScrutinizer | so how does that work? |
| 22:45.27 | DocScrutinizer | if it was working - say, on N810 |
| 22:45.28 | javispedro | s/mmc/onenand/ ;P |
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| 22:46.18 | DocScrutinizer | I thought sth's odd, didn't really spot the mmc though ;-) |
| 22:46.24 | javispedro | well, NOLO loads contents of initrd partition on contiguos memory area, somehow passes pointer to this area to kernel, kernel mounts it, loads modules et all from it. |
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| 22:47.04 | DocScrutinizer | doesn't it need uncompressing as well? |
| 22:47.26 | javispedro | potentially, but kernel can uncompress a memory area. |
| 22:47.38 | javispedro | in fact, on x86 kernel uncompresses itself (dunno on ARM) |
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| 22:49.53 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, a somewhat loosely related question: would a dd if=/dev/mtd3 of=vmlinux result in a bootable maemo kernel file? |
| 22:50.29 | javispedro | dunno (for the same reasons dd if=/dev/mtd5 of=... would not get you a flashable ubifs) |
| 22:50.46 | DocScrutinizer | I see |
| 22:51.14 | DocScrutinizer | except from that, the format is suitable? |
| 22:51.27 | javispedro | technically yes.. |
| 22:51.44 | Hurrian | then again, you could just dd the file back on |
| 22:51.54 | DocScrutinizer | and is that the same format you feed to flasher-3.5 --kernel-only ? |
| 22:51.54 | Hurrian | but for bad blocks reasons, please dont |
| 22:52.12 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: it's a good question -- I'd say yes. |
| 22:52.37 | javispedro | because I do not think there's any extra "transformation" done by flasher. |
| 22:53.15 | DocScrutinizer | I'm thinking about a maemo on uSD, looking like a meego |
| 22:53.50 | javispedro | on diablo times this was called cloning to SD |
| 22:53.59 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
| 22:54.19 | javispedro | however some people tried on early n900 times and found that some telephony stuff was crapping itself when run from sd |
| 22:54.32 | DocScrutinizer | what were the pitfalls? |
| 22:54.33 | javispedro | (iiirc it was pin entry dialog or the likes :) ) |
| 22:54.43 | javispedro | the adventures should be detailed in TMO |
| 22:54.52 | DocScrutinizer | eeew |
| 22:55.04 | DocScrutinizer | telephony going mad |
| 22:55.10 | DocScrutinizer | wtf? |
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| 22:55.44 | DocScrutinizer | anyway for a really nice rescue system telephony isn't exactly mandatory |
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| 22:56.23 | DocScrutinizer | I just have a hard time figuring how to produce a kernel file on-device |
| 22:56.41 | javispedro | any SSU package should come with one |
| 22:56.48 | javispedro | kernel package, obvsly. |
| 22:56.56 | DocScrutinizer | (for, say, a package consisting of a scriptfile to prepare such uSD) |
| 22:57.09 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, of course :-D |
| 22:57.27 | markinfo | i get time to time "Error stating file '/home/marek/.gvfs': Transport endpoint is not connected." if i want to open my home directory. Mostly helps full restart. Wat is it? |
| 22:58.07 | DocScrutinizer | an error msg from your desktop - first instance? |
| 22:58.09 | javispedro | who are you and what are you doing on this channel? |
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| 22:58.35 | markinfo | oh - wrong channel |
| 22:58.41 | javispedro | ;P |
| 22:59.18 | javispedro | that's gnome error message. |
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| 22:59.36 | DocScrutinizer | gnome virtual file system |
| 22:59.56 | DocScrutinizer | some abomination |
| 23:00.20 | javispedro | though they were just copying kde |
| 23:00.52 | DocScrutinizer | mhm |
| 23:01.24 | DocScrutinizer | I already forgot what for it's used anyway |
| 23:01.51 | javispedro | it's another layer of abstraction -- between a plain dir and, say, a FTP server. |
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| 23:06.42 | villager | well, gvfs is different from the old gnome vfs (redesigned and moved into the glib family I think)... and ~/.gvfs is a fuse mount point that gives access to the mounted virtual filesystems without needing glib/gnome libs |
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