| 00:00.06 | jonwil | I cant get gdb to recognize where the library loaded |
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| 00:08.19 | DocScrutinizer | jonwil: run the main executable loading this lib, until it calls some lib function? |
| 00:08.55 | jonwil | if you know how I can attach to hildon-desktop before its loaded any plugins, that would be nice to know :P |
| 00:09.08 | jonwil | but I dont think either xterm or ssh is able to run at that point in time :P |
| 00:09.13 | hawai`i | Neigh impossible. |
| 00:10.06 | hawai`i | You might be able to kick the watchdog, kill it using dsmetool and then spawn it again inside gdb |
| 00:10.14 | DocScrutinizer | very very very simple: replace the line in upstart script (or whatever) saying "hildon-desktop" by "gdb(-remote) hildon-desktop" |
| 00:10.56 | javispedro | thinks gdb has had this feature for ages, and in fact I remember using it even on the older N900 arm version.. |
| 00:11.24 | jonwil | I used info sharedlibrary which lists some libraries |
| 00:11.29 | jonwil | but doesnt list the ones opened with dlopebn |
| 00:11.31 | jonwil | dlopen |
| 00:11.35 | jonwil | since they were opened before gdb ran |
| 00:11.56 | DocScrutinizer | "older N900 arm version" - what's that? |
| 00:12.28 | jonwil | I dont think changing the hildon-desktop startup script will help since gdb will require user input at that point, input that I cant provide as there is no terminal |
| 00:12.46 | hawai`i | ... |
| 00:12.48 | javispedro | jonwil: that does not work that way, it's actually easier to read the current loaded objects _after_ dlopen has been called |
| 00:12.55 | jonwil | oh ok |
| 00:12.58 | DocScrutinizer | that's where the "remote" bit comes in |
| 00:12.58 | javispedro | it's just a linked list |
| 00:13.09 | jonwil | so how come info sharedlibraries doesnt display them then? |
| 00:13.12 | javispedro | so no idea why it does not work on hd |
| 00:13.15 | javispedro | maybe lack of "-g"? |
| 00:13.46 | javispedro | you can build h-d with -g |
| 00:13.57 | javispedro | and then either replace your device's |
| 00:14.06 | javispedro | or just touch /etc/no_lg_reboots to be able to kill stock h-d. |
| 00:14.22 | DocScrutinizer | wut? |
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| 00:14.41 | javispedro | "wut?"? |
| 00:14.47 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro disclosing some if his very special magic curses ? |
| 00:14.58 | javispedro | hah |
| 00:15.01 | javispedro | but this is very old stuff |
| 00:15.04 | javispedro | from 770 days =) |
| 00:15.16 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, very special secret magic |
| 00:15.25 | jonwil | as for changing the init script, that wont work since it wont be attaching gdb to the second h-d process, the one that is spawned via maemo-launcher |
| 00:15.36 | DocScrutinizer | never ever heard about /etc/no_lg_reboots |
| 00:15.59 | hawai`i | Why can't you respawn it from within gdb? |
| 00:16.00 | javispedro | lg means lifeguard iirc. |
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| 00:16.28 | DocScrutinizer | hah |
| 00:16.36 | DocScrutinizer | jonwil: right |
| 00:16.56 | hawai`i | Use dsmetool to kill it and then exec within gdb. |
| 00:17.13 | jonwil | ok, how do I do that with dsmetool? and how do I exec within gdb? |
| 00:17.28 | DocScrutinizer | jonwil: unless yiu use that magic -f(?) for follow-forked-processes |
| 00:17.42 | javispedro | suggest building "-g" h-d, makes things much easier... |
| 00:17.42 | DocScrutinizer | ? |
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| 00:18.11 | jonwil | gdbserver doesn't support that -f option |
| 00:18.27 | jonwil | nor does gdb |
| 00:18.30 | hawai`i | Either way, you'll need lifeguards turned off -> might as well simply rebuild hildon-desktop as per javispedro. |
| 00:18.31 | jonwil | at least not the binaries I have |
| 00:18.37 | DocScrutinizer | first of all, take dsmetool out of the equation, for this edit upstart script |
| 00:18.59 | hawai`i | What would be the purpose of that? |
| 00:19.03 | DocScrutinizer | X doesn't *need* to be run under dsme supervision |
| 00:19.29 | jonwil | so if I edit the upstart script, that will remove the need to fiddle with the watchdog bits? |
| 00:19.35 | DocScrutinizer | and it's actually dsme that reboots when X process quits, I guess |
| 00:19.56 | hawai`i | Why would you muck with upstart when you an safely kill and restart it "preattached"? |
| 00:20.23 | jonwil | preattaching it wont work since the gdb I have doesnt support -f |
| 00:20.29 | javispedro | fiddle with the watchdog? |
| 00:20.36 | javispedro | what's so hard about touching a file in /etc? =) |
| 00:20.50 | jonwil | so I cant get it to attach to the other process, the one started by maemo-launcher |
| 00:20.58 | hawai`i | Oh. |
| 00:21.21 | jonwil | so will any of these ideas actually help me? |
| 00:21.36 | jonwil | given the lack of -f |
| 00:21.49 | jonwil | and inabillity to attach to the actual hildon-desktop process and not the stub |
| 00:21.56 | javispedro | What I would do: build h-d with -g. touch /etc/no_lg_reboots. upload built h-d to device. killall hildon-desktop. run and attach. |
| 00:22.12 | javispedro | because the reason dso tracking does not work is most probably lack of -g |
| 00:22.31 | jonwil | except that I dont have a clue how to build hildon-desktop |
| 00:22.38 | javispedro | oh |
| 00:22.41 | DocScrutinizer | forget all my nonsesne comments |
| 00:22.46 | javispedro | apt-get source hildon-desktop on ARMEL sdk |
| 00:22.57 | javispedro | apt-get build-dep hildon-desktop |
| 00:23.01 | javispedro | enter hildon-desktop-* folder |
| 00:23.05 | javispedro | dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot |
| 00:23.13 | javispedro | the binary will be around src/ |
| 00:23.27 | DocScrutinizer | there is cruft and black magic like /usr/bin/hildon-startup-progress in etc/events.d/ |
| 00:23.37 | hawai`i | Uh. gdb 'set follow-fork-mode' |
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| 00:23.39 | javispedro | in fact, if you build it, you can get the standalone executable -- without launcher magic. |
| 00:23.57 | DocScrutinizer | hawai`i: that's what I meant by -f |
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| 00:24.34 | hawai`i | And that doesn't work, inconjuction with set detach-on-fork, why? |
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| 00:24.56 | jonwil | how do I make sure that dpkg-buildpackage builds hildon-desktop with -g? |
| 00:25.13 | javispedro | it is always built with -g, however debian strips it during package creating |
| 00:25.17 | hawai`i | That will give gdb control over all subsequently forked processes |
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| 00:25.27 | javispedro | so if you get the executable from src/ instead of using the created package, you will be fine. |
| 00:25.33 | jonwil | oh ok |
| 00:25.36 | jonwil | sounds good |
| 00:26.19 | javispedro | what I do not remember at the moment is how relatively easy is to get a standalone executable (instead of .launch stuff) |
| 00:26.40 | javispedro | btw launch stuff you can invoke with maemo-summoner |
| 00:28.31 | javispedro | lot of stuff to understand here, but fortunately this is mostly known -- lots of h-d hackers around |
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| 00:28.46 | DocScrutinizer | hehe |
| 00:29.01 | jonwil | I imagine I am not the first guy who wants to run a debugger on a hildon-desktop status bar gizmo plugin :) |
| 00:29.25 | DocScrutinizer | you bet |
| 00:30.03 | DocScrutinizer | acme sigsegv gizmo plugin |
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| 00:30.58 | javispedro | acme sigsegv plugin =) |
| 00:30.58 | DocScrutinizer | on wiki, under tools section, there was a strace incantation that runs *all* processes on the system under strace |
| 00:31.12 | DocScrutinizer | but I guess it also attaches late |
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| 00:32.38 | villager | jonwil: also you can usually set the environment variable DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=nostrip during package build in order to make the .deb contain unstripped binaries |
| 00:32.46 | jonwil | ok, now running dpkg-buildpackage |
| 00:33.38 | DocScrutinizer | ponders to bookmark the chanlog of -like- an hour ago |
| 00:34.01 | DocScrutinizer | best most terse tutorial ever |
| 00:35.13 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro spitting out one line that saves you 5h googling and reading thru 50 pages manual and nagedinag |
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| 00:35.51 | DocScrutinizer | mere platinum |
| 00:36.04 | javispedro | =) |
| 00:36.14 | javispedro | remember the original problem was gdb not reading dlopen'd dsos |
| 00:36.20 | javispedro | and that's not solved yet =) |
| 00:39.19 | jonwil | lets hope building hildon-desktop with -G can help |
| 00:39.22 | jonwil | -g |
| 00:40.53 | DocScrutinizer | I wonder if dlopen() loaded libs are identical to the ones that get loaderlinked |
| 00:41.10 | DocScrutinizer | in the memory program text |
| 00:41.48 | DocScrutinizer | e.g. gbd could go for the list of linked libs in ELF |
| 00:41.52 | javispedro | yes |
| 00:42.02 | javispedro | that's how it works -- or at least how I think it wors |
| 00:42.41 | javispedro | there's a global linked list with its head on a well-known symbol |
| 00:42.51 | javispedro | it contains pointers to ELF headers of all loaded images |
| 00:42.57 | javispedro | be it executables or shared objects |
| 00:43.07 | DocScrutinizer | aaah, ok then |
| 00:43.18 | DocScrutinizer | that list isn't sttaic :-) |
| 00:43.22 | DocScrutinizer | static |
| 00:43.34 | javispedro | nope |
| 00:44.06 | DocScrutinizer | I was concerned gdb could look directly to the static list of libs as founf in binaries ELF |
| 00:44.13 | javispedro | for some reason I know how this works on MacOS X better than ELF =) |
| 00:44.34 | DocScrutinizer | s/binaries/executable's/ |
| 00:46.10 | jonwil | ok, I rebuilt h-d now and other than some errors about signatures, it seems to have worked |
| 00:46.22 | DocScrutinizer | but anyway, all the libs' functions have to show up on the list of known symbols eventually, and that's the linked list you meant, I guess |
| 00:47.30 | jonwil | ok, I see a file called hildon-desktop in the /src folder |
| 00:47.32 | jonwil | is that the one I want? |
| 00:47.44 | javispedro | run file on it, see if its a dso, symlink or plain executable |
| 00:48.01 | DocScrutinizer | yawns and mumbles "bookmarked.... http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Program-Library-HOWTO/shared-libraries.html ... too late..." |
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| 00:48.31 | jonwil | ok, file says "ELF 32-bit LSB shared object,. ARM" |
| 00:48.57 | javispedro | dso, ah well. |
| 00:49.07 | jonwil | so what do I need to do? |
| 00:49.13 | javispedro | you should be able to run this via "maemo-summoner path/to/this/file" |
| 00:49.14 | jonwil | now that I have h-d built? |
| 00:49.18 | jonwil | ok, sounds good |
| 00:49.26 | javispedro | so, "gdb --args maemo-summoner /a/b" |
| 00:50.04 | jonwil | ok, so what do I do to properly kill the old h-d process without tripping a reboot? |
| 00:50.16 | DocScrutinizer | 4.3. dlsym() http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Program-Library-HOWTO/dl-libraries.html |
| 00:50.17 | javispedro | touch /etc/no_lg_reboots and kill it |
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| 00:50.51 | gn00b | finally got openoffice to compile in less than an hour. Wed Jul 13 11:19:39 2011 >>> app-office/openoffice-3.2.1-r1 merge time: 55 minutes and 33 seconds. |
| 00:51.06 | jonwil | ok, that didnt work |
| 00:51.09 | javispedro | gn00b: clearly, your build was incomplete, that's impossible. |
| 00:51.13 | jonwil | I did touch /etc/no_lg_reboots |
| 00:51.19 | jonwil | then killall hildon-dekstop |
| 00:51.29 | jonwil | but it just got restarted (presumably by dsme) |
| 00:51.34 | javispedro | hm |
| 00:51.35 | gn00b | i7 950 12gb ram |
| 00:51.44 | jonwil | I suspect I need to use dsmetool to kill it |
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| 00:52.10 | jonwil | ideas anyone? |
| 00:52.16 | RiD | hello :) |
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| 00:53.41 | jonwil | doing any kind of debugging on any of the "critical" processes such as hildon-desktop, mce etc is a pain in the ass |
| 00:54.13 | RiD | I am a pain in the ass too, believe me |
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| 00:56.05 | javispedro | jonwil: /etc/init.d/hildon-desktop stop |
| 00:57.16 | javispedro | gn00b: still impossibe, OOo always automatically enlarges to fill all available cores and disk space |
| 00:57.25 | javispedro | I still remember when building it just required 2 GiB... |
| 00:57.26 | RiD | houston, I got a problem! My battery life is really low: it doesn't last one day IDLE. And there's nothing stressing the CPU. It just happened, after i left the fone turned off 4 days |
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| 00:58.07 | SpeedEvil | What applications have you got installed? |
| 00:58.13 | SpeedEvil | Anything that polls the network? |
| 00:58.20 | RiD | nope, nothing. |
| 00:58.46 | RiD | I mean, every application that polls the network is in "manual" mode |
| 01:01.34 | DocScrutinizer | RiD: chech ifconfig to see traffic you didn't know about. If there is any, use tshark to see what exactly it is. use pwertop to find hidden CPU hogs. If nothing helps, switch down modem completely - after all your carrier could allow floodpinging your IP, and that wouldn't even show up as traffic on your ifconfig output is some cases |
| 01:01.42 | jonwil | ok, its NOT hildon-desktop that I need to debug, its hildon-home |
| 01:01.44 | jonwil | bah |
| 01:01.54 | DocScrutinizer | MUHAHA |
| 01:01.58 | jonwil | no wonder things arent working |
| 01:03.36 | jonwil | aha, NOW I see the library I want in the library list |
| 01:04.09 | DocScrutinizer | jonwil: well, now you've built hildon-desktop - isn't this amking you feel better alrady ;-) |
| 01:04.16 | jonwil | :P |
| 01:04.33 | DocScrutinizer | DARN I can't type anymore |
| 01:05.37 | DocScrutinizer | anyway many thanks. You made javispedro do a lesson hour that's better than all bookreading |
| 01:05.46 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
| 01:06.12 | DocScrutinizer | of course many thanks to you javispedro as well, for that lesson |
| 01:06.25 | SpeedEvil | About what - should I read backscroll? |
| 01:06.46 | DocScrutinizer | how to build and gdb $random-program |
| 01:06.50 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 01:07.18 | javispedro | dunno, I just commented on how I used to do build and test my h-d patches =) |
| 01:07.23 | DocScrutinizer | here: hilden-desktop |
| 01:07.26 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
| 01:08.00 | RiD | DocScrutinizer what should i exactly search in ifconfig? in "lo" it shows RX bytes:36818 (35.9 KiB) TX bytes:36818 (35.9 KiB),etc. everything seems normal, wlan is using a bit more (obviously, I'm connected to my home wifi) |
| 01:08.16 | SpeedEvil | also - powertop |
| 01:08.19 | SpeedEvil | Get screen |
| 01:08.33 | jonwil | btw, there are things that will take longer to build than OO.o |
| 01:08.52 | jonwil | building gcc is an excercise in pain for example |
| 01:09.05 | SpeedEvil | gcc was painless for me last time |
| 01:09.09 | SpeedEvil | oh - you mean cross |
| 01:09.10 | RiD | SpeedEvil: what the hell.. no command found (even on root) |
| 01:09.29 | SpeedEvil | you need to install powertop and screen from the sdk repos |
| 01:09.55 | RiD | SpeedEvil oh, forgive my n00bishness. I'll do it now |
| 01:10.04 | javispedro | jonwil: noway, OOo takes waywaywayway more |
| 01:10.09 | jonwil | ok |
| 01:10.28 | javispedro | and like 15GiB last time I builti t |
| 01:10.33 | DocScrutinizer | RiD: in gprs0 compare traffic values after some time, if they changed |
| 01:10.39 | nox- | i wonder what takes longer to build, ooo or atlas... |
| 01:10.51 | jonwil | whats atlas? |
| 01:10.57 | javispedro | build OOo on a N900! |
| 01:11.07 | javispedro | maybe by next year you'll already have oowriter! |
| 01:11.19 | javispedro | if the flash chip doesn't die first. |
| 01:11.28 | nox- | some maths libs that do lots of optimizations during the build which take a long time |
| 01:12.09 | nox- | http://math-atlas.sourceforge.net/ |
| 01:12.12 | DocScrutinizer | RiD: http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Power_Consumption http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_software_power_management |
| 01:12.26 | nox- | bbl |
| 01:12.36 | jonwil | KDE should go on the list of things that take forever to build |
| 01:12.41 | nox- | true |
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| 01:13.06 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: 15GiB RAM? |
| 01:13.07 | jonwil | especially if you need to emerge a full new set of libs for QT etc at the same time |
| 01:13.14 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: disk |
| 01:13.20 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: .o files, etc. |
| 01:13.25 | DocScrutinizer | meh that's nuttin. Try libboost |
| 01:13.35 | javispedro | nah, libboost is like 20% the time of OOo |
| 01:13.46 | DocScrutinizer | :-P |
| 01:13.55 | javispedro | OOo is like the ultimate C++ monster |
| 01:14.04 | javispedro | whenever there's a new version I shudder |
| 01:14.14 | villager | I thought OOo had lots of java in it too |
| 01:14.23 | nox- | doesnt ooo build its own copy of python etc too? |
| 01:14.47 | javispedro | well I don't know why it takes so much to build so it maybe builds its copy of python, and of Linux, and of GCC, and of whatever else. |
| 01:14.50 | DocScrutinizer | jonwil: OK you shot the bull's eye with KDE |
| 01:15.32 | jonwil | Thankfully OO.o is not something I have installed |
| 01:15.32 | javispedro | gnite |
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| 01:15.43 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: aaaw |
| 01:15.47 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
| 01:15.57 | DocScrutinizer | good night |
| 01:16.08 | nox- | gnite javispedro |
| 01:16.09 | javispedro | vya |
| 01:16.09 | nox- | too |
| 01:16.12 | DocScrutinizer | gentoo native |
| 01:16.23 | DocScrutinizer | ;-P |
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| 01:16.30 | DocScrutinizer | inck KDE and OOo |
| 01:16.49 | DocScrutinizer | now top THAT! |
| 01:16.59 | DocScrutinizer | XP |
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| 01:17.36 | RiD | DocScrutinizer: It's now collecting data |
| 01:17.38 | nox- | installing and setting up a fresh XP still takes longer than building ooo :P |
| 01:18.01 | DocScrutinizer | last I heard is you can only use every second update, as with the first update you're still compiling ;-P |
| 01:18.09 | nox- | hahaha |
| 01:18.21 | FIQ|n900 | <DocScrutinizer> now top THAT! |
| 01:18.29 | FIQ|n900 | linux! |
| 01:18.36 | FIQ|n900 | ok, jk |
| 01:18.48 | DocScrutinizer | gentoo *is* linux, no? |
| 01:19.20 | FIQ|n900 | lol gentoo |
| 01:20.07 | FIQ|n900 | "Build everything from source! Do it, MANUALLY is the best. You will earn about 1s within booting! |
| 01:20.14 | FIQ|n900 | that's my feeling about it |
| 01:20.22 | FIQ|n900 | s/"// |
| 01:20.48 | RiD | DocScrutinizer: A whole bunch of characters appeared, as expected haha. last two lines were: Total wakeups 17903, 596.8/s | IRQ 14221, 474.0/s | Timers 3682, 122.7/snHW wakeups 0, 0.0/s | Real gp_timers expired 234, 7.8/s |
| 01:22.13 | DocScrutinizer | RiD: please refer to the URLs I posted above. SpeedEvil explained powertop quite nicely there (except that last two lines, as I noticed today ;-D ) |
| 01:23.17 | DocScrutinizer | your phone looks a bit busy anyway, just from looking at those last two lines even |
| 01:24.01 | DocScrutinizer | powertop will elaborate on which process was that busy, in the "lots of characters" above |
| 01:24.50 | FIQ|n900 | I prefer calling it line noise when I don't understand a single character :D |
| 01:24.55 | FIQ|n900 | whatever |
| 01:24.55 | RiD | Haha, most likely because I'm chatting from the phone. I'll take a deeper look on those pages |
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| 01:26.30 | DocScrutinizer | they are worse it - SpeedEvil is an excellent analytic and teacher |
| 01:26.39 | DocScrutinizer | worth ;-P |
| 01:26.46 | DocScrutinizer | MEH good night |
| 01:27.42 | RiD | See ya later, then |
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| 01:32.46 | RiD | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:33.57 | SpeedEvil | It doesn't understand powerkenrel |
| 01:34.29 | RiD | Ah, It scared me. D; |
| 01:37.33 | RiD | hildon desktop is in the 1st place of activthe top activity. PID1324 Activity:1836 Function Entry(exp): schedule_hrtimeout_range (hrtimer_wakeup) |
| 01:38.53 | SpeedEvil | With screen blanked? |
| 01:39.11 | SpeedEvil | start powertop, blank the screen, wait 60s |
| 01:39.47 | RiD | with blanked you mean turned off right? (<- what a stupid question) |
| 01:39.52 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 01:43.14 | RiD | back, hildon-desktop is still the top activity. |
| 01:43.15 | RiD | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:44.18 | RiD | 86% of the time it kept in C1 state, left percentage was in C0. |
| 01:45.33 | SpeedEvil | Somethings screwy. |
| 01:45.42 | SpeedEvil | What widgets do you have active?/ |
| 01:45.44 | RiD | haha i knew it! :/ |
| 01:45.59 | RiD | omweather and ussd widget |
| 01:46.30 | RiD | both only update when i decide to |
| 01:47.17 | SpeedEvil | http://pastebin.com/d0pQerKM |
| 01:47.34 | SpeedEvil | for example - is my device - with USB unplugged |
| 01:48.02 | RiD | what a big difference! |
| 01:48.09 | SpeedEvil | 'C4' state is the state it should be in most of the time. |
| 01:48.25 | RiD | It seems like it's never in C4, then. |
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| 01:50.36 | DocScrutinizer | RiD: do you have a "short" applauncher menu? I.E. a menu with so few icons that it can not scroll up or down? |
| 01:50.50 | RiD | http://pastebin.com/Na3ctbGp - that's mine. It was done connected to WiFi |
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| 01:50.56 | RiD | yes, I do. |
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| 01:51.06 | SpeedEvil | that's it then |
| 01:51.15 | DocScrutinizer | RiD: there's a bug in hildon-desktop |
| 01:51.39 | DocScrutinizer | it constantly tries bouncing up and down when menu is "too short" |
| 01:51.40 | RiD | Right now all i want to do is throw myself at the window |
| 01:51.49 | RiD | But it's cold outside |
| 01:52.04 | DocScrutinizer | either make your menu longer, or get the fixed hildon-desktop, see CSSU |
| 01:52.33 | RiD | I can't really believe that my menu was haunting me. |
| 01:53.03 | Termana | good morning |
| 01:53.29 | RiD | thanks everyone, heh. I had CSSU before, maybe I'll install it or just add more icons (currently it's just two rows) |
| 01:54.36 | RiD | But only the main launcher layer matters, or does the other ones have an impact too? (folders) |
| 01:54.59 | jonwil | well that was a bust |
| 01:55.15 | DocScrutinizer | RiD: unclear |
| 01:56.38 | DocScrutinizer | this bug dates back to PR1.2 and I fixed it by replacing hildon desktop original with the way better and bugfixed matan's Modified Hildon Desktop |
| 01:56.53 | jonwil | debugging connui-cellular-operator-home-item.so, libconnui.so.0 and libconnui_cell.so.0 brought me no closer to figuring out the connui functions I want to call |
| 01:57.02 | jonwil | specifically the callback function passed to connui_cell_net_status_register |
| 01:57.04 | jonwil | :( |
| 01:57.11 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
| 01:57.24 | DocScrutinizer | so I can't say if the bug is only in main applauncher screen, but I guess it's not |
| 01:57.48 | RiD | DocScrutinizer: Well, I'll install CSSU then |
| 01:58.02 | DocScrutinizer | either that, or just MHD |
| 01:58.14 | RiD | Thanks again to DocScrutinizer and SpeedEvil :D |
| 01:58.28 | DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools |
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| 02:01.06 | marainein | when i switch my n900's wlan0 to monitor mode and back to managed mode, it disconnects from the wireless network it was on. i can reconnect it through the gui, but how can i get it to reconnect via the command line? |
| 02:01.07 | DocScrutinizer | # fix annoying hildon-desktop cpu hog bug |
| 02:07.32 | RiD | Oh by the way,my tracker isn't working. It simply doesnt indexes any of my media. (this has been for some time too, but i never really cared about that because i dont use some of the stock applications such as the media player etc) |
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| 02:12.06 | RiD | I'm off, it's 3:12 here and I have more stuff to do xD. |
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| 02:16.01 | holmesII | can anyone tell me which value is exact equal to battery.reporting.current? http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/jrbme/bq27200 |
| 02:20.09 | marainein | solved my problem from before - had to stop icd2 before switching to monitor mode and start it after switching back to managed mode |
| 02:23.19 | jonwil | libconnui_cell is annoying the hell out of me, I wanna call it but I cant figure out how :( |
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| 02:35.03 | jonwil | May need to give up hope ever being able to call it :P |
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| 07:45.06 | RST38h | Well. Moo all. |
| 07:45.14 | RST38h | Still no doughnut in the mail. |
| 07:45.17 | luke-jr|otg | ... |
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| 07:49.07 | infobot | lardman <~lardman@138-38-179-9.docking.bath.ac.uk> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 15h 40m 14s ago, saying: 'deimos: thanks, I got a dhl tracking number after contacting Nokia, but the package had already been delivered (or attempted anyway) '. |
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| 09:33.43 | deimos | wow 23 hours and 3 minutes takes DHL come here :D |
| 09:34.22 | deimos | a teletransport should be better :) |
| 09:36.34 | Termana | *rage* |
| 09:36.36 | Termana | :p |
| 09:40.18 | deimos | :) |
| 09:41.13 | hiemanshu | Your order has been sent on 14.7.2011. |
| 09:41.16 | hiemanshu | Termana: finally :D |
| 09:41.53 | SpeedEvil | sighs. |
| 09:42.06 | DocScrutinizer | moo |
| 09:42.14 | SpeedEvil | meh |
| 09:42.27 | DocScrutinizer | baaah |
| 09:43.31 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: now you can cancel your trip to HELL :D |
| 09:43.48 | DocScrutinizer | haha |
| 09:44.03 | deimos | awesom |
| 09:44.13 | DocScrutinizer | yours just began ;-) |
| 09:44.25 | deimos | ehe |
| 09:44.54 | hiemanshu | hah |
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| 10:10.32 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 10:11.11 | SpeedEvil | Mprnign |
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| 10:24.10 | Sicelo | jeez.. is the front camera just bad for everyone else, or just me? yay! i can hardly see myself. wonder how one's supposed to skype like that |
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| 10:39.23 | jhb | Sicelo: I remember reading something about drivers getting even more borked in some PR 1.? upgrade |
| 10:39.37 | jhb | Sicelo: not sure if thats the reason, but mine sucks as well |
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| 10:55.42 | MohammadAG | why the f hasn't my device shipped yet |
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| 10:56.19 | ruskie | *you are not worthy* ;) |
| 10:56.57 | trx | MohammadAG at least they didnt send your device to russia to ship it from there... just to add some extra 2500km :) |
| 10:57.23 | ruskie | gotta love such logistics |
| 10:57.28 | trx | yeap.. |
| 10:58.07 | trx | someone from italy got it in 23 hours, and they send mine to russia :) |
| 10:59.11 | MohammadAG | trx, it wasn't even sent yet |
| 10:59.16 | MohammadAG | still at new order |
| 10:59.23 | trx | i started to wonder if they even know where Serbia is :/ |
| 10:59.28 | trx | MohammadAG that sucks :/ |
| 10:59.36 | ruskie | trx, hehe |
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| 11:14.18 | DocScrutinizer | trx: MohammadAG: Nokia may have to sort really nasty details for shipping to some countries. It was virtually impossible to ship N900 to Paul in Moscow just for example, and it took weeks to try, try again, try a third time, and finally fail. |
| 11:15.10 | divan | DocScrutinizer, they actually decided not to use DHL to ship devices to Russia and Ukraine due to problems with DHL there. |
| 11:15.11 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, they already shipped an N950 to me |
| 11:15.14 | MohammadAG | err, N900 |
| 11:16.08 | mgedmin | so, did anyone port fbreader to harmattan yet? |
| 11:16.17 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, but you don't know how long *that* took them to prepare all the paperwork. And it happened during a period of low workload, which clearly doesn't apply to this time |
| 11:17.53 | Sampppa_ | Screenshot tool for Harmattan: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?p=26042 |
| 11:18.17 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: ShadowJK: weird hw defect in http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1049858&postcount=43 ++ :: BSI value detected wrong :-o |
| 11:21.13 | mgedmin | finally figures out that "Nokia Account" is the same as "Ovi Account" |
| 11:23.45 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, one of the guys in that thread sent me a pm the other day, I didn't have time to read the thread then though |
| 11:24.01 | DocScrutinizer | mgedmin: indeed |
| 11:24.52 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: so don't bother, it's lengthy and full of dead ends. But basically the finally spotted root cause in the post I linked |
| 11:26.35 | DocScrutinizer | estel made some rather odd assumptions about how bq27200 works, and there were a lot of interesting and some funny suggestions that all either were executed poorly or were dead ends from beginning. But they spotted the root cause, kudos for that |
| 11:27.20 | ShadowJK | btw, pnatd -> AT+CBC |
| 11:27.23 | ShadowJK | :D |
| 11:27.37 | DocScrutinizer | GOOOD point :-D |
| 11:27.47 | DocScrutinizer | time for 12648430 â |
| 11:28.02 | ShadowJK | (and it returns different values from bq and bme) |
| 11:28.21 | DocScrutinizer | sure, it has "another bme" |
| 11:29.30 | DocScrutinizer | +CBC: 0,52 |
| 11:29.39 | DocScrutinizer | WTF?! .oO(???) |
| 11:30.01 | DocScrutinizer | whatever that's supposed to mean |
| 11:30.37 | DocScrutinizer | if that's charge state [0..1] then it's extremely off |
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| 11:33.25 | mgedmin | hm, no sudo on a N950? |
| 11:33.42 | macmaN | devel-su |
| 11:34.18 | mgedmin | devel-su asks for a password |
| 11:34.26 | macmaN | rootme |
| 11:34.32 | mgedmin | :) |
| 11:34.43 | macmaN | i agree |
| 11:34.49 | mgedmin | hm, even root is not permitted to view dmesg |
| 11:35.06 | macmaN | yep |
| 11:36.02 | mgedmin | at least there's /var/log/syslog |
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| 11:40.10 | mgedmin | netstat doesn't support -p |
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| 11:40.31 | sivang | hmm |
| 11:40.39 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, 0 = not charging, 52% SOC |
| 11:40.44 | sivang | hmm |
| 11:40.49 | sivang | so how do I reset the lock code? :) |
| 11:41.15 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: extremely off, device is charging since 12h |
| 11:41.30 | sivang | I mean, the machine is not locked |
| 11:41.35 | sivang | but I seem to have forgotten my lock code |
| 11:41.38 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, lol |
| 11:41.46 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, and if you remove charger? |
| 11:41.53 | DocScrutinizer | mompls |
| 11:42.00 | sivang | mom ? |
| 11:42.02 | DocScrutinizer | heads to other room |
| 11:42.08 | sivang | hey hey |
| 11:42.08 | ShadowJK | moment |
| 11:42.09 | sivang | people |
| 11:42.34 | DocScrutinizer | ~mompls |
| 11:42.41 | DocScrutinizer | hmmm |
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| 11:42.50 | DocScrutinizer | ~mompl |
| 11:42.50 | infobot | somebody said mompl was a stupid short form for "moment please" |
| 11:43.55 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: no change |
| 11:44.13 | ShadowJK | aw |
| 11:44.47 | ShadowJK | 0,35 on mine (60% according to bq) |
| 11:44.52 | DocScrutinizer | did a 20s call ->same |
| 11:45.06 | mgedmin | it's hard to adjust to the CTRL key being on the opposite side of the keyboard, compared to a N900 |
| 11:45.25 | DocScrutinizer | mgedmin: indeed |
| 11:45.48 | DocScrutinizer | also some of the symbols again moved to wierd places |
| 11:45.57 | DocScrutinizer | also punctuation marks |
| 11:46.15 | mgedmin | oh cool < and > are now directly inputable! |
| 11:46.21 | mgedmin | explains why I find the location of / unusual |
| 11:46.48 | DocScrutinizer | I honestly want to make the kbd layouter type for his life, with blinded eyes |
| 11:47.38 | DocScrutinizer | well, we won't worry about all that, on N9 ;-P |
| 11:47.56 | mgedmin | a blind typing contest on a N9 would be very interesting |
| 11:48.20 | MohammadAG | hmm, does the N950 package have a wall charger? |
| 11:48.21 | mgedmin | my access point went crazy, I think |
| 11:48.33 | DocScrutinizer | I wonder if that's a exclusive N950 topic and thus a topic for #harmattan rather |
| 11:48.39 | deimos | MohammadAG, no !!!! |
| 11:48.40 | mgedmin | MohammadAG, no, just a micro-USB cable |
| 11:48.43 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: nope |
| 11:48.51 | mgedmin | there's a #harmattan? |
| 11:49.05 | MohammadAG | I'm assuming the N900's charger works? |
| 11:49.11 | DocScrutinizer | yup |
| 11:49.22 | DocScrutinizer | flawlessly |
| 11:49.34 | deimos | DocScrutinizer, did u tried that = I don't want to burn it the 1st day :) |
| 11:49.45 | deimos | = = ? |
| 11:49.49 | DocScrutinizer | I'm doing that all the time |
| 11:49.59 | MohammadAG | technically it should work but I was wondering if it needs some more non standard shorting |
| 11:50.39 | mgedmin | I've two 12V to USB car adapters; neither of those charges my N900 |
| 11:50.42 | DocScrutinizer | no, the standard nonstandard shorting is just fine, though yet untested if needed at all |
| 11:50.51 | SpeedEvil | odd |
| 11:51.01 | DocScrutinizer | yoh, SpeedEvil |
| 11:51.14 | SpeedEvil | (bsi) |
| 11:51.19 | DocScrutinizer | :nod: |
| 11:51.48 | DocScrutinizer | cranks up the schematics pdf another time |
| 11:51.49 | deimos | the n900 charger has an output of 5V and 1200 mA |
| 11:53.28 | DocScrutinizer | deimos: so what? |
| 11:53.44 | MohammadAG | <DocScrutinizer> no, the standard nonstandard shorting is just fine <-- epic sentence |
| 11:54.12 | ShadowJK | i thought it was standard shorting |
| 11:54.35 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: BSI is pullup 120k to +2V5, so I gather the BSI R in battery is to GNS. What bothers me is: bat GND isn't digital GND |
| 11:54.35 | deimos | DocScrutinizer, for checking the usb car adapters |
| 11:54.49 | ShadowJK | ? |
| 11:54.50 | deimos | surely they have different mA |
| 11:55.02 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: kinda is, for Nokia at least |
| 11:55.25 | ShadowJK | Atleast at the time it was in the specs :) |
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| 11:55.44 | ShadowJK | deimos, if it's more than 350mA or so it'll work |
| 11:55.46 | DocScrutinizer | deimos: and your average car battery has 12V 250A |
| 11:56.05 | DocScrutinizer | doesn't mean it burns your car stereo that needs 12V@~2A |
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| 11:57.36 | deimos | ShadowJK, and why <mgedmin> chargers doesn't work ? |
| 11:57.55 | DocScrutinizer | nfc |
| 11:57.57 | mgedmin | too low power? |
| 11:57.59 | mgedmin | lack of patience? |
| 11:58.38 | deimos | maybe intelliget chargers with face recon ? :) |
| 11:58.43 | mgedmin | my sister tried to charge her Sony Xperia with one of those, and it worked, but only after a couple of minutes |
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| 11:58.46 | ShadowJK | deimos, lots of shitty car chargers that only have a usb port on them lack the connection between D+ and D- |
| 11:58.51 | mgedmin | I never waited a couple of minutes, gave up after maybe 20 seconds |
| 11:59.10 | mgedmin | otoh an official Nokia adapter with the thin plug -> microusb converter works at once |
| 11:59.21 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: yup exactly |
| 11:59.28 | DocScrutinizer | wallwart chargers as well |
| 12:00.15 | DocScrutinizer | mgedmin: (thin plug -> microusb converter) CA-146A? |
| 12:00.35 | mgedmin | probably, I never keep track of those CA-xxx names |
| 12:00.38 | mgedmin | lemme google |
| 12:01.00 | DocScrutinizer | the one with the 3.5 and the 5mm barrel hole? |
| 12:01.11 | DocScrutinizer | mgedmin: ^^^ |
| 12:01.22 | mgedmin | yes |
| 12:01.27 | DocScrutinizer | yup |
| 12:01.43 | mgedmin | the one that's known to overheat and partially melt in certain occasions :) |
| 12:02.07 | DocScrutinizer | that's basically a whole autonomous charger circuit with a rather andom power supply via those barrel holes |
| 12:03.03 | DocScrutinizer | it works from ~3.6V .. some 6 or 8V without too much problems |
| 12:03.23 | DocScrutinizer | and surely has the Nokia mandatory D+- short |
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| 12:04.23 | mgedmin | that could explain everything |
| 12:04.38 | mgedmin | I'd optimistically assumed the D+- short was in an official USB charger spec, and all modern car adapters would have it |
| 12:04.45 | DocScrutinizer | digs thru his nest of cables and adaptors, to find a way to plug N950 to 5V *without* the D+- short |
| 12:05.08 | mgedmin | is trying to ssh into his N950 but is stumped by a password prompt |
| 12:05.29 | DocScrutinizer | mgedmin: it *is* a part of official specs - amost no device supports it though |
| 12:05.46 | DocScrutinizer | root rootme |
| 12:06.04 | sivang | foudn out the lock code |
| 12:06.06 | sivang | :) |
| 12:06.12 | sivang | but with my memory not with the trick in TMO |
| 12:06.22 | sivang | seems the code s no longer stored in mtd1 ? |
| 12:06.29 | DocScrutinizer | it is |
| 12:06.42 | DocScrutinizer | afaik |
| 12:06.58 | sivang | interesting |
| 12:07.00 | deimos | I can ssh into 950 ! |
| 12:07.01 | sivang | retires |
| 12:07.06 | sivang | deimos: sure you can |
| 12:07.11 | sivang | deimos: why would not you be able to? |
| 12:07.15 | sivang | it is a Maemo, after all |
| 12:07.21 | sivang | or a Harmattan for that matter |
| 12:07.49 | mgedmin | passwd -u user -> now I can ssh with my pubkey |
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| 12:08.05 | sivang | why would not yuou? |
| 12:08.13 | mgedmin | I wonder if that also leaves a hole where I can ssh in with no password or anything... |
| 12:08.25 | mgedmin | /etc/passwd has 'user::' instead of 'user:*:' that I expected |
| 12:08.32 | sivang | interesting |
| 12:08.39 | sivang | now it works, after I put the default lock code back |
| 12:08.45 | sivang | but befre that it was my social security number |
| 12:08.51 | sivang | and it did not show me the code wth the trick here: |
| 12:08.59 | sivang | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=37808&page=3 |
| 12:09.00 | mgedmin | no, blank passwords do not work, *whew* |
| 12:09.07 | sivang | they are not blank! |
| 12:09.08 | sivang | :) |
| 12:09.10 | sivang | hey mgedmin , btw |
| 12:09.12 | sivang | beena while |
| 12:09.18 | sivang | wish for a N9 |
| 12:09.19 | sivang | err |
| 12:09.20 | sivang | N950 |
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| 12:09.35 | DocScrutinizer | mgedmin: sudo ssh user@localhost |
| 12:10.04 | DocScrutinizer | or rather devel-su; ssh user@loacalhost |
| 12:10.34 | DocScrutinizer | nm |
| 12:10.47 | sivang | devel-su ? |
| 12:10.49 | sivang | hrm |
| 12:10.52 | sivang | what's that? |
| 12:10.59 | sivang | is there a channel for N950? |
| 12:11.05 | mgedmin | #harmattan |
| 12:11.05 | DocScrutinizer | the aegis flavour of su |
| 12:11.16 | sivang | heh |
| 12:11.17 | Mek | why not `devrootsh`? |
| 12:11.18 | sivang | gosh |
| 12:11.27 | sivang | doese it work in Mameo as well? |
| 12:11.29 | sivang | (N900) |
| 12:11.48 | Termana | DocScrutinizer, mmm mmm aegis flavour. my favourite |
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| 12:12.31 | sivang | Termana: bah |
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| 12:16.43 | DocScrutinizer | off topic: does anybody know of a way to disbale the sticky behaviour of alt-key for kbd-shortcuts, i.e. make alt;d;b != alt+(d;b), for KDE? |
| 12:17.15 | DocScrutinizer | sometimes I hit ALT and then type ahead. FUN :-/ Randomthings happen |
| 12:17.32 | MohammadAG | hmm, doesn't happen here |
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| 12:19.22 | Hurrian | tmo seems to be discussing a split from nokia |
| 12:19.32 | Hurrian | 1/2 of the thread is discussing a name |
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| 12:22.24 | ShadowJK | a what? |
| 12:22.53 | ShadowJK | are they aware of that talk.maemo.org isn't run by Nokia.. |
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| 12:42.19 | lardman | new laptop, need to install Linux now, what do people recommend? |
| 12:42.44 | lardman | bearing in mind it's a Dell Latitude and that I'm wanting to do dev for the N900 + Harmattan + Meego |
| 12:44.09 | kerio | debian! |
| 12:44.14 | lardman | hmm..... |
| 12:44.42 | kerio | DEBIAN! |
| 12:44.49 | lardman | wonders if selecting OpenSUSE based on the logo is justifiable ;) |
| 12:45.09 | DocScrutinizer | lardman: for harmattan dev you need ubuntu, for meego dev you need suse. Easy, isn't it? ;-P |
| 12:45.12 | kerio | don't you dare |
| 12:45.35 | lardman | Docscrutinizer: quite |
| 12:46.54 | lardman | I don't need to use OpenSUSE for Meego though do I? I thought there were Ubuntu packages too? |
| 12:47.09 | DocScrutinizer | given the fact I managed to install maemo SB SDK on suse, I can't really recommend ubuntu |
| 12:47.38 | lardman | I'm getting annoyed with Ubuntu's multiscreen support, but that is not an issue for a laptop |
| 12:47.52 | lardman | suse is rpm based? |
| 12:47.55 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 12:48.06 | DocScrutinizer | though you don't care |
| 12:48.32 | lardman | I know the debian tools though, but I guess it will force me to learn something new and useful for meego |
| 12:48.40 | deimos | there are packages for ubuntu 10.10 not yet for 11.04, but you ca install all toolchains needed in QtSDK whatever linux distro you use |
| 12:49.02 | DocScrutinizer | for suse you don't learn anything new, as you use yast package manager |
| 12:49.10 | lardman | I need a builder though as not all my stuff is Qt based |
| 12:49.50 | lardman | DocScrutinizer: what about the maemo sdk, any issues there? |
| 12:50.18 | deimos | lardman, there is not the harmattan toolchain |
| 12:50.21 | DocScrutinizer | as mentioned I managed to install the maemo ( /harmattan) SDK on suse, and it's working ok there |
| 12:51.35 | DocScrutinizer | for harmattan there's a update that probably "just installs" on existing SB. The flasher-3.5.11 exists in two .deb for now, but no tarball |
| 12:52.01 | DocScrutinizer | I guess I can extract and install the binary from .deb manually, or use alien or what it's called |
| 12:52.27 | lardman | thanks Doc |
| 12:52.31 | DocScrutinizer | yw |
| 12:52.31 | lardman | I'll give it a go |
| 12:52.37 | lardman | one last Q |
| 12:52.55 | lardman | laptop has Windows installed, presumably the installer will alter the partiton sizes, etc., for me as Ubuntu would |
| 12:53.10 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 12:53.17 | DocScrutinizer | no problem |
| 12:53.36 | lardman | cool, one must check as some installation media (Meego netbook, hint hint) don't offer such options ;) |
| 12:54.22 | lardman | hmm, only 4.8MB/sec download |
| 12:54.38 | lardman | ah better, up to 6.8MB/s |
| 12:55.13 | lardman | goes to collect laptop in expectation that suse DVD will be downloaded when he gets back in a few min |
| 12:56.33 | DocScrutinizer | lardman: take all my prev staements with a grain of salt, as I hate ubuntu - it's too much like windows and too poorly "integrated" (whatever that means). MAybe you are better off with ubuntu nevertheless if you don't feel like that - esp I don't think suse is mandatory for meego development |
| 12:57.09 | DocScrutinizer | that's not reverting my prev advice, but to enable you to make your own decision |
| 12:57.40 | alterego | Strange how I only have 2G connection :/ |
| 12:59.09 | DocScrutinizer | alterego: where, why, on what? |
| 13:00.18 | alterego | 2G, at home, on my N950 |
| 13:00.26 | alterego | I should get 3G .. |
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| 13:03.10 | DocScrutinizer | alterego: sounds like you better post those random N950 bits on #harmattan , as then there won't be such questions as mine |
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| 13:06.14 | lardman | DocScrutinizer: thanks for the caveats, another of my office workers is happy with suse, and it also has a nice logo so I'll give it a go :) |
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| 13:07.17 | DocScrutinizer | I think suse is pretty good |
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| 13:08.39 | DocScrutinizer | just one bad thing: you forget how to do things like user account management, firewall admin, all that stuff the classic cmdline way. Yast is too easy so you just use it and forget about adduser and all that |
| 13:09.50 | lardman | wonders what a 512e hdd is |
| 13:12.10 | lardman | ah, 4KB sectors but it pretends to have 512B sectors |
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| 13:26.58 | DocScrutinizer | eeeew that crap |
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| 13:40.46 | rm_work | GAN900 / GeneralAntilles: shipped :P |
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| 13:45.57 | hiemanshu | GeneralAntilles: sent yet? |
| 13:46.02 | hiemanshu | rm_work: shipped today? |
| 13:46.13 | rm_work | hiemanshu: yes, though no DHL email yet |
| 13:46.24 | rm_work | at 12:00 finnish time |
| 13:46.35 | rm_work | 14.7.2011 12:44 |
| 13:46.39 | hiemanshu | rm_work: ah, I think they will give you the DHL number around 6-ish .fi time |
| 13:46.49 | rm_work | what time is it there now |
| 13:47.29 | hiemanshu | rm_work: around 4:45 |
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| 13:56.58 | DocScrutinizer | rm_work: you might want to /join #harmattan |
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| 13:57.46 | DocScrutinizer | rm_work: FYI: it seems DHL can not send mail to anybody, as they don't even know your email addr. The mail with tracking number always is sent by xxx.yyy@nokia.com |
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| 13:59.02 | rm_work | DocScrutinizer: >_> #harmattan... >_> |
| 13:59.29 | rm_work | Docscrutinizer: and well, yes, by "DHL email" i just meant the email with the DHL tracking info, whoever it is from |
| 14:00.38 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: I expect that arrives last .fi time right? can you give me the time you got yours? |
| 14:00.45 | hiemanshu | so we know when to send an email |
| 14:01.36 | DocScrutinizer | hiemanshu: I'm discussing N950 specific topics on #harmattan |
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| 14:02.31 | DocScrutinizer | the S/N for "normal" N900 (and diablo...) users on this chan is poor enough since a week |
| 14:02.58 | MohammadAG | sigh |
| 14:03.03 | MohammadAG | not shipped yet for me |
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| 14:29.17 | fiferboy | I got the tracking email at around 8:30 EST |
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| 15:35.56 | GAN900 | rm_work, yes. |
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| 16:00.24 | pavi | Is there no photo uploading tool to Gallery2 in maemo ? |
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| 16:04.40 | nid0 | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/g2-sharing |
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| 16:07.35 | pavi | ok |
| 16:14.16 | rm_work | yeah got my shipping email ... erm, apparently earlier somehow |
| 16:14.18 | rm_work | but missed it |
| 16:14.21 | rm_work | strange |
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| 16:18.11 | hiemanshu | rm_work: you got yours? |
| 16:18.16 | hiemanshu | hasn't got one yet |
| 16:18.24 | rm_work | yeah with DHL tracking number |
| 16:18.31 | rm_work | got it like 4 hours ago almost |
| 16:18.32 | hiemanshu | nothing for me yet |
| 16:18.36 | rm_work | apparently it went to a different email |
| 16:18.42 | rm_work | i have some sort of mismatch going on |
| 16:18.55 | hiemanshu | hah |
| 16:19.31 | hiemanshu | I haven't got mine, I shoudl email and ask for one |
| 16:19.49 | rm_work | order sent email: 4:45am my time; tracking DHL email: 7:38am my time |
| 16:19.56 | rm_work | just wait a bit i'd say |
| 16:20.27 | rm_work | interesting tho, i have no idea estimated delivery time |
| 16:20.51 | rm_work | GAN900: yes to -- yours shipped? |
| 16:21.39 | hiemanshu | rm_work: and your current time? |
| 16:22.05 | rm_work | i'm CDT |
| 16:22.11 | rm_work | it's 11:22am right now |
| 16:22.16 | hiemanshu | ah ok |
| 16:22.36 | hiemanshu | I'll need it to intercept the package as I am in the middle of moving houses |
| 16:23.21 | rm_work | lol |
| 16:23.29 | GAN900 | rm_work, yes. |
| 16:24.21 | rm_work | GAN900: cool, wonder if all of them have shipped now? this would be the "one week" period they stated |
| 16:24.29 | rm_work | anyone's order not ship yet? |
| 16:24.56 | hiemanshu | rm_work: Termana for example |
| 16:25.02 | rm_work | hrm ok |
| 16:28.17 | rm_work | bbl, lunch :P |
| 16:29.46 | wazd | Any 3D-modelling guru's in here? :P |
| 16:29.51 | wazd | gurus* |
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| 16:30.29 | deimos | with maya ? |
| 16:30.39 | wazd | anything :) |
| 16:30.56 | wazd | anything that's able to produce a landscape :) |
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| 16:31.18 | deimos | I used a lot maya :) |
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| 16:31.52 | wazd | deimos: have some free time to help with OSS project? :) |
| 16:32.42 | deimos | well, now I have to study QML :) , but I can swap here and there :) |
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| 16:42.48 | mgedmin | appreciated the ability to ask for SMS announcements about various DHL delivery checkpoints |
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| 16:47.53 | RST38h | http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2011/07/fling-mini-joystick-for-smartphones-1310589283.jpg |
| 16:47.56 | RST38h | Yeaaaah |
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| 16:51.34 | Noobmonk3y | lol |
| 16:53.51 | GeneralAntilles | It's amazing the crap people churn out for iOS devices. |
| 16:56.51 | Noobmonk3y | lol general.... |
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| 17:02.46 | luke-jr | the *nix/Windows security model is flawed |
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| 18:21.29 | RST38h | "Living above the 50N latitude, it is amusing to observe the next developing pandemia of cholera online..." |
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| 18:22.34 | Venemo | achipa, are there any Qt Quick components for Fremantle? |
| 18:23.34 | fiferboy | Venemo: I am almost positive there aren't any right now |
| 18:23.45 | achipa | Venemo: nope |
| 18:23.48 | fiferboy | But I would be interested in knowing if there are any that will be forthcoming |
| 18:23.55 | fiferboy | achipa: Do you know if there are any plans? |
| 18:23.58 | achipa | (if you mean Fremantle-style components) |
| 18:24.19 | achipa | fiferboy: no plans, Fremantle is dead as a doornail |
| 18:24.52 | fiferboy | I guess the community could step in, though |
| 18:24.52 | Venemo | achipa, any components at all? maybe desktop components would work on it? |
| 18:25.04 | achipa | sure, the custom branch should work |
| 18:25.11 | achipa | I think kate or antonio packaged it |
| 18:25.43 | fiferboy | achipa: Is that branch likely to be officially supported over time? |
| 18:25.50 | fiferboy | I think it is just experimental currently |
| 18:26.02 | achipa | fiferboy: could, and for most stuff, it would be fairly easy, except for maybe the fancy pickers... |
| 18:26.10 | Venemo | so, for the time being, I may have to keep the QWidget-based GUI for Fremantle? |
| 18:26.28 | achipa | fiferboy: not sure, ask the trolls |
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| 18:26.41 | achipa | but the point is, there is not really such a thing as officially supported |
| 18:26.44 | fiferboy | achipa: Yeah, but pickers are actually easier to implement in QML than Qt (in my experience) |
| 18:26.49 | DocScrutinizer | achipa: fremantle is sucked out for profit, now it may start the real life |
| 18:27.15 | Venemo | lol DocScrutinizer |
| 18:27.26 | achipa | fiferboy: yes, they were HARD to implement in Qt. QML is a lot easier, but still not trivial, especially in thing which require hildon integration |
| 18:27.28 | DocScrutinizer | even while Nokia kept the parts they tought will stop this |
| 18:27.37 | achipa | fiferboy: read, the tough part is the HIM stuff |
| 18:28.10 | fiferboy | achipa: I don't doubt that. I never dug around in the HIM/Qt interaction code |
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| 18:29.57 | achipa | fiferboy: and the thing is that most of the effects (background blur, etc) is done on the WM level (again, something that would be something trivial with a shadereffect, but if you have to go to the system, ugh) |
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| 18:31.14 | DocScrutinizer | achipa: fremantle is linux, linux is FOSS. You *never* know when a FOSS project is dead - definitely it isn't as long as hundered contribute and thousands or even 100.000s use it |
| 18:31.15 | achipa | so for stuff like pushbuttons, lists, etc, shouldn't be hard, but dialogs, pickers, input method funk... that's a different story |
| 18:32.20 | DocScrutinizer | and even while everybody incl Nokia might think fremantle is owned by Nokia, in fact it is *not* |
| 18:32.23 | achipa | DocScrutinizer: the only hardware capable running is not produced for months now |
| 18:32.40 | achipa | sure, cordia et al, but then we're not talking about Fremantle |
| 18:32.48 | fiferboy | achipa: I was around the fringes of the original community Qt port, and the styling did look pretty easy (IIRC just pulled from the Gtk stlye) but there was a lot of system witchcraft that happened too |
| 18:34.30 | achipa | fiferboy: if you mean the Diablo 4.5 port, yeah, but in those days (functionally) it wasn't as far from the desktop (i.e. menus, status bars, etc)... |
| 18:34.37 | DocScrutinizer | so what? the VW Kaefer isn't built anymore since what? 30 years? only in Mexico a decade longer? I bet you will hear loud protest calling the community around it dead |
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| 18:35.04 | fiferboy | achipa: True |
| 18:35.26 | wazd_ | fiferboy: heya :) |
| 18:35.39 | wazd_ | fiferboy: already got the device? :P |
| 18:35.40 | fiferboy | wazd_: Hi, how's things? |
| 18:35.52 | fiferboy | wazd_: No, it is leaving Finland around now |
| 18:35.55 | achipa | DocScrutinizer: sure, it's just that I don't see the manpower |
| 18:35.56 | wazd_ | fiferboy: sad, thanks to russian customs :) |
| 18:36.30 | fiferboy | wazd_: Has yours been confiscated? |
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| 18:37.01 | wazd_ | fiferboy: no, but to avoid it Nokia had to send it with someone |
| 18:37.03 | achipa | DocScrutinizer: porting Qt4.7 to Diablo was trivial. Nobody did it. Fremantle is still on 4.7.0, even with the CSSU... and if you can't must the community support for something as important as Qt, then I'm somewhat skeptical of the viability... |
| 18:37.11 | wazd_ | fiferboy: so it's gonnabe a looong journey :) |
| 18:37.28 | DocScrutinizer | achipa: I'm criticizing the diction. You may say fremantle won't have a next official release version anytime (soon). It's definitely not dead (yet) though |
| 18:37.39 | achipa | wazd_: coming on raindeer-sleds from Finland ? :) |
| 18:37.44 | fiferboy | wazd_: Oh yeah, I heard they were being "hard couriered" to Russia |
| 18:37.55 | DocScrutinizer | achipa: and it hurts those who care hearing such statements |
| 18:37.58 | achipa | DocScrutinizer: okay, okay, let's not get bogged down in terminology |
| 18:38.05 | achipa | SORRY :) |
| 18:38.08 | achipa | nhf |
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| 18:38.56 | wazd_ | achipa: yep, something like that :) |
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| 18:39.17 | DocScrutinizer | and tbh I don't see any successor to take over |
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| 18:40.06 | DocScrutinizer | I don't think harmattan will have appeal to the same target group |
| 18:40.25 | achipa | harmattan is... special |
| 18:40.46 | DocScrutinizer | meegoCE is yet to get on par, usability wise |
| 18:41.01 | DocScrutinizer | no matter on which handheld |
| 18:41.26 | achipa | the question is of course what do you consider the "essence" of Fremantle |
| 18:41.48 | DocScrutinizer | the desktop feeling in a nutshell |
| 18:41.53 | achipa | i.e. is it Hildon, the desktop, etc |
| 18:42.35 | DocScrutinizer | the idea that I *could* run KDE on that thing any time |
| 18:43.05 | achipa | well... dunno. I would say that's quite subjective, I didn't find harmattan that far in that regard (if a little more attention was put in the landscape stuff) |
| 18:43.50 | achipa | then again, I found Fremantle's three-layer navigation quite confusing in the beginning |
| 18:43.51 | frals | you *could* probably run KDE on harmattan as well |
| 18:43.58 | DocScrutinizer | starts with the missing buttons of *any* kind, and the implications this has on the entire UX design |
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| 18:44.32 | achipa | oh, we hatesss buttonssss :) |
| 18:44.52 | achipa | Honestly, I'm surprised the volume button(s) survived |
| 18:44.58 | DocScrutinizer | indeed |
| 18:45.14 | frals | butchering the camera key made me sad panda :( |
| 18:45.39 | DocScrutinizer | know what? all my nightshots with the cam were crap - shakey due to taping the screen |
| 18:45.49 | ruskie | hahahaha |
| 18:46.05 | achipa | DocScrutinizer: not disagreeing :) |
| 18:46.25 | achipa | personally I would love to have the same delay option my cam has - press +2 sec |
| 18:46.35 | achipa | and that's not rocket science |
| 18:47.03 | DocScrutinizer | actually a (botchy) workaround that's feasible |
| 18:48.28 | achipa | frals: that camkey is coming back... it's a requirement for the WP7 HW spec |
| 18:48.34 | achipa | ducks |
| 18:48.36 | DocScrutinizer | yesterday I pondered a little fancy and writing a mail with a lengthy stricly hw-centric review, with points like these. But then again, meh, the device will never get sold |
| 18:48.43 | DocScrutinizer | even less reworked |
| 18:49.03 | frals | achipa: :( |
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| 18:50.42 | DocScrutinizer | achipa: it was a really smart move of Nokia if they'd look up in wikipedia what's a linux BSP, and then shipp *all* their phones with such a package |
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| 18:51.17 | DocScrutinizer | no matter what's the primary OS |
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| 18:52.18 | DocScrutinizer | fame and additional sales for almost free |
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| 18:52.50 | achipa | geez... why libstdc++.so.5... WHYYYY |
| 18:52.51 | ruskie | or atleast offer downloads |
| 18:53.57 | DocScrutinizer | ruskie: would make no difference, but throving in a mini-CD with the linux BSP was a mega advertisement effect |
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| 18:54.50 | DocScrutinizer | throwing even |
| 18:56.13 | DocScrutinizer | a download offer goes unnoticed in any review - the CD will get mentioned on each newspaper next to the name of the new models |
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| 18:59.37 | DocScrutinizer | "in times where every technically skilled user has the knowledge that 20 years ago was to be found only on highly specialized IT experts, Nokia has decided to open up the option to build your very own linux based OS for your phone, by shipping every model with the needed special driver CD that allows development for the phone like you're used to it for the standard linux desktop" |
| 19:01.07 | DocScrutinizer | no promises, no warranty, no hassle - just happy nerds and good public relations |
| 19:01.47 | DocScrutinizer | and setting up a basic BSP is sth the EE dpmt has to do anyway, for the OS sw dudes |
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| 19:03.20 | DocScrutinizer | just streamline that a bit, and make the ¼²¼²ð²²¹Ã¹**## lawyers look into it and give their placet |
| 19:04.31 | DocScrutinizer | burn on a mini CD and prepare the story for the press |
| 19:05.42 | DocScrutinizer | Nokia still thinks they need to sell complete systems, while it seems to me they'd be better off producing hardware, strictly hardware only |
| 19:06.05 | DocScrutinizer | buy the WP7 from M$, and give community a BSP |
| 19:06.28 | DocScrutinizer | Nokia *knows* to build good hw |
| 19:07.01 | DocScrutinizer | I'm not all that convinced Nokia understood about FOSS and the way it works |
| 19:09.53 | GAN900 | Nokia as a giant blob doesn't necessarily mean anything |
| 19:10.55 | DocScrutinizer | the giant blob has coherence, and a nucleus like an amoeba that somewhat decides for some aspects of begaviour of the whole blob |
| 19:16.31 | DocScrutinizer | the firs PCs came with the OS bundled, all from one hand and that was IBM. Nowadays no board manufacturer and not even many system integrators consider it mandatory to ship any OS with their product. Sure you *can* get a WIN7 or whatever with your Dell PC, but you can as well opt for Linux or bare bones |
| 19:17.34 | GeneralAntilles | I don't think phones are there yet for the overwhelming majority of consumers. |
| 19:17.55 | DocScrutinizer | nah, but it doesn't hurt to start offering it |
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| 19:18.29 | DocScrutinizer | PCs aren't there for most customers as well - >90% will get a all-in-one package |
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| 19:19.57 | DocScrutinizer | anyway how about Nokia this one time were the first to offer it, rather than always catching up with leaders of the trend |
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| 19:23.04 | DocScrutinizer | I for one would prefer to see this coming from and for Nokia rather than e.g HTC or Samsung |
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| 19:26.28 | DocScrutinizer | but then you bet the 50%(?) sw and UX and usability and services guys at nokia aren't exactly enthusiastic about such a concept |
| 19:33.04 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: Try to get a laptop in many places without windows. |
| 19:36.50 | Jaffa | Ev'ning |
| 19:38.21 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, finally shipped. ;) |
| 19:38.26 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: Yay |
| 19:38.31 | hiemanshu | GeneralAntilles: yay |
| 19:38.39 | hiemanshu | Jaffa: mine too :P |
| 19:38.53 | hiemanshu | Jaffa: now you rest in peace and dont have to worry about me coming to steal yours :P |
| 19:38.56 | hiemanshu | +can |
| 19:39.09 | hiemanshu | wait, that is more for DocScrutinizer than you :P |
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| 20:11.09 | MohammadAG | does the DC-6 work with the N900? |
| 20:13.51 | DocScrutinizer | what is DC-6? |
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| 20:16.21 | MohammadAG | Nokia DC-6 car charger DocScrutinizer |
| 20:17.48 | DocScrutinizer | well, most probably it should work then |
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| 20:19.59 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: http://europe.nokia.com/find-products/accessories/all-accessories/car-solutions/car-accessories/nokia-micro-usb-car-charger-dc-6/compatibility |
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| 20:24.56 | javispedro | moo. |
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| 20:45.59 | lbt | Jaffa: do you know how to work around : "couldn't open page : ssl handshake failed" |
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| 20:58.27 | Jaffa | lbt: thiago was saying on #meego that it's a Qt 4.7 bug. |
| 21:00.08 | Jaffa | MohammadAG: DocScrutinizer: I got a DC-6 off ebay for 3gbp. Works with N950 and N900 |
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| 21:01.15 | DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: Nokia's compatibility list agrees for N900, and I tested for 100% compatibility wrt charging between N900 and N950 |
| 21:02.12 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: moo |
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| 21:04.15 | piggz | what does hildon do if an icon in /usr/share/pixmaps for an app is 64x64? |
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| 21:05.05 | piggz | sorry, ignore me, i installed whe wrong icon |
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| 21:06.01 | Vickao | I enabled and then disabled device lock long ago and now I want to enable it again. I don't remember current password what should I do? :/ |
| 21:07.19 | Vickao | Will this work? http://lifewithmaemo.blogspot.com/2011/01/recovering-n900-phone-lock-code.html |
| 21:07.40 | jacekowski | Vickao: install code_reset |
| 21:07.45 | jacekowski | Vickao: and run it from terminal |
| 21:08.31 | jacekowski | code-reset* |
| 21:08.35 | jacekowski | http://maemo.org/packages/view/code-reset/ |
| 21:08.46 | jacekowski | it resets code to default 12345 |
| 21:09.05 | Vickao | jacekowski: Ah thank you! |
| 21:09.22 | DocScrutinizer | (or it kills your device ;-D) |
| 21:09.32 | Vickao | Wait what? :D |
| 21:09.44 | DocScrutinizer | nah, probably not |
| 21:09.49 | jacekowski | Vickao: it's commandline tool |
| 21:10.11 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: are you writing to NAND CAL directly? |
| 21:10.20 | jacekowski | no |
| 21:10.21 | jacekowski | libcal |
| 21:10.25 | DocScrutinizer | oooh |
| 21:10.27 | DocScrutinizer | fine |
| 21:10.37 | DocScrutinizer | Vickao: forget my rant |
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| 21:12.01 | Vickao | DocScrutinizer: hehe, okay. |
| 21:12.22 | Vickao | jacekowski: I will try it soon and let you know, thank you. |
| 21:12.25 | jacekowski | Vickao: after you install it run /bin/code_reset and it should say code changed |
| 21:12.39 | jacekowski | Vickao: and you're done |
| 21:12.57 | DocScrutinizer | all hail to jacekowski |
| 21:13.10 | Vickao | jacekowski: ah nice! okay. |
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| 21:14.06 | jacekowski | that instruction will work mostly as well |
| 21:14.21 | jacekowski | but way it's reading hash from cal will fail sometimes |
| 21:14.38 | jacekowski | but that's only after you allocate all unused blocks in cal |
| 21:14.46 | jacekowski | and it's starts freeing them up |
| 21:14.47 | DocScrutinizer | what for does it read a hash from CAL? |
| 21:14.58 | jacekowski | http://lifewithmaemo.blogspot.com/2011/01/recovering-n900-phone-lock-code.html |
| 21:15.04 | DocScrutinizer | aah |
| 21:15.04 | jacekowski | i'm talking about this |
| 21:15.07 | DocScrutinizer | that one |
| 21:19.09 | Vickao | jacekowski: Works well mate, thanks a bunch. I thought I would have to reflash! |
| 21:19.18 | jacekowski | reflash wouldn't help |
| 21:19.26 | jacekowski | cal is not flashed |
| 21:19.45 | Vickao | What's cal? ^ |
| 21:20.10 | jacekowski | special place where all good stuff is stored |
| 21:20.13 | jacekowski | and bad stuff |
| 21:20.26 | jacekowski | including stuff that if it's broken your phone will be just a brick |
| 21:20.37 | jacekowski | as nolo will refuse to boot |
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| 21:20.57 | Vickao | Great, I guess you took your measures while developing this code-reset progie. |
| 21:26.45 | Sicelo | checks out code-rest, for future use |
| 21:28.35 | DocScrutinizer51 | I prefer the ripper way :-P |
| 21:29.00 | Sicelo | /s/rest/reset/ |
| 21:32.20 | Jaffa | Yay, my replacement E7's sold on its "buy it now" price. |
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| 21:40.07 | javispedro | hm |
| 21:40.38 | javispedro | I seem not to be able to use the dsp accelerated h264 decoder on the n950, not even with the stock app. |
| 21:41.10 | javispedro | that, or encoding is faster than decoding =) |
| 21:41.37 | alterego | Heh |
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| 22:38.51 | Mece | hey where does one discuss n950 issues? here? |
| 22:39.26 | Scifig | Mece, #harmattan |
| 22:40.41 | Mece | thanks. |
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| 22:41.28 | w1z4rd | So, is there anywhere that I can get a maemo .img? |
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| 22:46.14 | SpeedEvil | http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=NOK+Interactive#symbol=NOK;range=6m - ow |
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| 22:47.48 | SpeedEvil | Looking at the graph - what happened Jun 7? |
| 22:48.34 | w1z4rd | SpeedEvil, Martians |
| 22:49.15 | w1z4rd | SpeedEvil, wait, no, they were the 6th.. the 7th was Venusians. |
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| 23:08.00 | GeneralAntilles | Hrm, transferring through Leipzig. |
| 23:08.45 | GeneralAntilles | SpeedEvil, I like the Feb 11th plummet. |
| 23:08.49 | GeneralAntilles | Who couldn't see that coming. . . . |
| 23:09.26 | SpeedEvil | wishes he'd sold nokia short on feb. |
| 23:15.15 | GeneralAntilles | I got mine at about $13 |
| 23:15.56 | Scifig | Can anyone help me with dpkg-source syntax for excluding files/folders? |
| 23:17.47 | Scifig | or dpkg-buildpackage which calls dpkg-source anyway. I am having trouble with the perl regex. |
| 23:18.55 | mgedmin | what's the regex? |
| 23:20.14 | Scifig | mgedmin, Regular expression. Wildcardish syntax. In this case used to exclude files/folders from the source tar. |
| 23:20.28 | mgedmin | I was not asking for a definition of a regex |
| 23:20.39 | mgedmin | I was asking to see the regex you're having trouble with |
| 23:20.44 | mgedmin | or don't you have one yet? |
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| 23:20.55 | Scifig | Sorry - (^*\.(usr|log)$)|(^\.git*)|(^\.(mocs|objs)$)|(OfflineStorage)|(Makefile). This is what I am using |
| 23:21.14 | mgedmin | usually uses dpkg-buildpackage -i and trusts that to take care of all the default boring stuff such as .git |
| 23:22.03 | mgedmin | ok, three things look wrong to me here |
| 23:22.44 | mgedmin | first: ^* ought to be ^.* |
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| 23:23.05 | mgedmin | next, git* ought to be git.* or just git, since you don't have a terminating $ in that branch |
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| 23:23.25 | mgedmin | and last, ^\.(mocs... ought to be ^.*\.(mocs... |
| 23:24.15 | mgedmin | instead of building a monster-regexp can't you pass -Ipattern several times? |
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| 23:24.48 | mgedmin | dpkg-buildpackage -I '.git*' -I '*.mocs' -I '*.objs' -I Makefile -I OfflineStorage -I '*.usr' -I '*.log' |
| 23:25.26 | mgedmin | reads the man page of dpkg-source |
| 23:25.27 | Scifig | I was hoping that I can save that one monster expression in source/local-options file. But will try -I pattern |
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| 23:30.25 | Scifig | mgedmin, -I works great. I tested just "-i" again without any regex. It did not exclude .git folder. |
| 23:31.10 | Scifig | I'll stop breaking my head over regex then. Guess something is broken with dpkg-source on scratchbox |
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| 23:35.15 | mgedmin | well, -i is matched against the full relative pathname |
| 23:35.27 | mgedmin | maybe it ends up being ./.git instead of just .git |
| 23:35.51 | mgedmin | so maybe (^(.*/)?.git.*$) would work |
| 23:36.05 | mgedmin | but I think multiple -I patterns are clearer and easier to maintain |
| 23:37.57 | Scifig | Agree, I am sure even I can't understand that regex tomorrow. So I just saved the command with -Is into a .sh file. Much easier now |
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| 23:39.57 | GeneralAntilles | mgedmin, get your N950? |
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| 23:46.11 | DocScrutinizer | regex FTW and for fun ;-P |
| 23:46.22 | DocScrutinizer | GeneralAntilles: got yours? |
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| 23:52.04 | GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer, tomorrow. |
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| 23:53.51 | DocScrutinizer | \o/ |
| 23:54.11 | DocScrutinizer | welcome to the moaning club of c-ts haters then ;-) |
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