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| 00:32.33 | Termana | good morning |
| 00:42.52 | DocScrutinizer | yoh Termana - good moaning |
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| 00:56.35 | sid_ | hi |
| 00:57.15 | sid_ | what parameter should i use for mkimage for booting from mmc? |
| 00:57.36 | sid_ | mk^Cage -A arm -O linux -T kernel -C none -a 80008000 -e 80008000 -n meego -d zImage uImage |
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| 01:06.17 | MohammadAG | morning |
| 01:07.10 | sid_ | morning and good night |
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| 01:17.33 | holmesII | help, when I include <hal/libhal> , i got error: dbus/dbus.h: No such file or directory |
| 01:17.33 | holmesII | . i have /usr/include/dbus-1.0/dbus/dbus.h, did I miss something? |
| 01:18.20 | MohammadAG | do you have dbus-1 in the pkg config field? |
| 01:18.49 | holmesII | do you mean install it? |
| 01:18.55 | holmesII | the pkg? |
| 01:20.00 | holmesII | i just buid it in a empty file. |
| 01:20.07 | holmesII | in a .c file |
| 01:20.16 | MohammadAG | how are you building |
| 01:20.19 | holmesII | and just #include <hal/libhal> |
| 01:20.27 | holmesII | gcc -o app app.c |
| 01:20.48 | holmesII | i am using ECBOX in the virtual machine. |
| 01:21.03 | holmesII | i downloaded the virtual image from the website and just run the virtual machine |
| 01:21.12 | MohammadAG | try adding -I/usr/include/dbus-1.0/dbus |
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| 01:21.34 | holmesII | in terminal or in where? |
| 01:21.54 | holmesII | what is the exact command? |
| 01:21.56 | MohammadAG | gcc parameters |
| 01:22.13 | MohammadAG | gcc -I/usr/include/dbus-1.0/dbus -o app app.c |
| 01:23.04 | holmesII | is there a space between -I and /usr? |
| 01:24.23 | holmesII | i got the same error error: dbus/dbus.h: No such file or directory |
| 01:24.37 | holmesII | please!!. but i got go right now. i will be back. |
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| 01:28.11 | MohammadAG | mohammad@mohammad-i5laptop:~$ pkg-config --cflags dbus-1 |
| 01:28.11 | MohammadAG | -I/usr/include/dbus-1.0 -I/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/dbus-1.0/include |
| 01:28.35 | MohammadAG | gcc $(pkg-config --cflags dbus-1) -o app app.c |
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| 02:14.45 | MohammadAG | fmc down? |
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| 02:26.20 | holmesII | it seems ok now. thanks. there are some other error. i will give feedback later. |
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| 02:54.03 | holmesII | i got another error? undefined reference to `dbus_error_init' |
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| 03:12.20 | DocScrutinizer | yawns |
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| 04:16.05 | hiemanshu | morning everyone |
| 04:16.30 | dm8tbr | good moaning |
| 04:16.41 | hiemanshu | dm8tbr: moaning? |
| 04:18.39 | dm8tbr | yawwwwwwns |
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| 04:37.49 | Termana | hiemanshu, morning |
| 04:38.38 | Termana | hiemanshu, heard nothing on your end I assume? |
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| 05:58.51 | kerio | should i buy a pandora? |
| 05:58.55 | kerio | it looks really cool |
| 06:02.06 | dm8tbr | the availability is kinda problematic I hear |
| 06:03.36 | kerio | yeah but it's like a n900 without the phone |
| 06:03.42 | kerio | and with analog sticks |
| 06:03.44 | kerio | and a bigger battery |
| 06:03.47 | kerio | and usb |
| 06:03.49 | kerio | *two* usb |
| 06:03.55 | kerio | and two sd |
| 06:04.01 | kerio | so not really like a n900 |
| 06:05.23 | dm8tbr | ew, it's really only a 34xx |
| 06:05.24 | hiemanshu_ | anyone got MAssembly: Stylesheet missing "/usr/share/themes/base/meegotouch/libminputcontext/style/libminputcontext.css" while using the sbox SDK? |
| 06:05.55 | hiemanshu_ | kerio, why not archos? |
| 06:06.12 | dm8tbr | I guess he's after the buttons |
| 06:06.17 | kerio | dm8tbr: 34xx? |
| 06:06.18 | hiemanshu_ | ah |
| 06:06.24 | hiemanshu_ | kerio, omap |
| 06:06.33 | kerio | and yeah, buttons r kewl |
| 06:06.44 | kerio | also analog sticks and dpads |
| 06:06.46 | dm8tbr | kerio: 3530 is also 34xx basically |
| 06:07.10 | hiemanshu_ | kerio, also you are talking about openpandora right? |
| 06:07.13 | kerio | yeah |
| 06:07.27 | hiemanshu_ | ah |
| 06:07.31 | hiemanshu_ | just double checking :P |
| 06:07.42 | dm8tbr | which is the older versioni of the OMAP3. slower and moar bugs in the silicon |
| 06:07.46 | kerio | :( |
| 06:08.04 | hiemanshu_ | well 4.3" is really too small |
| 06:08.19 | kerio | how big is the n900? |
| 06:08.30 | hiemanshu_ | 3.5 |
| 06:08.31 | kerio | 3.5 |
| 06:08.38 | kerio | jinx! |
| 06:08.51 | hiemanshu_ | :P |
| 06:08.58 | kerio | well, it's supposed to be a handheld console of some sorts |
| 06:09.11 | hiemanshu_ | kerio, http://www.tipb.com/2011/07/12/icontrolpad-handheld-gaming-controller-iphone-ipad-ipod-touch/ |
| 06:09.18 | kerio | hiemanshu: no u |
| 06:09.22 | hiemanshu_ | makes more sense :P |
| 06:09.29 | kerio | it really, really doesn't |
| 06:09.53 | kerio | because to install mame on an ipod touch you have to jailbreak it and then bitch against cydia and then hope it gets updated |
| 06:09.53 | hiemanshu_ | there are a lot more games for it, and angry birds <3 |
| 06:10.19 | hiemanshu_ | mame? |
| 06:10.42 | kerio | mame! |
| 06:10.49 | kerio | what else should i be playing? |
| 06:10.49 | hiemanshu_ | mame? |
| 06:10.57 | hiemanshu_ | angry birds |
| 06:11.12 | kerio | chrome.angrybirds.com |
| 06:11.13 | hiemanshu_ | cut the rope, NFS, Infinity Blade |
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| 06:11.45 | kerio | guess what, as long as ff4 is there, i can play angry birds too |
| 06:12.58 | hiemanshu_ | kerio, I can go on and on naming games that are awesome for iOS |
| 06:13.03 | kerio | indeed |
| 06:13.11 | kerio | 10630 romsets found, 10630 were OK. |
| 06:13.17 | kerio | name 10630 |
| 06:14.13 | Scifig | Good evening/morning all |
| 06:14.44 | kerio | hiemanshu_: not to mention that i kinda want to own my devices |
| 06:14.47 | kerio | and i mean own, not 0wn |
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| 06:15.11 | hiemanshu_ | kerio, hah, well everyone has their choices :P |
| 06:16.23 | Scifig | I reinstalled scratchbox and lost my old gpg key. Now my package is rejected by builder "Can't check signature: public key not found". How do I get builder to accept my new key? |
| 06:17.25 | kerio | anyway, do you think the openpandora is kinda meh, because of the old cpu? |
| 06:17.36 | hiemanshu_ | kerio, ja |
| 06:17.56 | kerio | :( |
| 06:18.19 | hiemanshu_ | I would get a bigger tablet instead |
| 06:18.43 | kerio | >tablet |
| 06:18.47 | kerio | >buttons, analog sticks and dpad |
| 06:18.49 | kerio | DOES NOT COMPUTE |
| 06:19.03 | hiemanshu_ | old cpu, not buying! |
| 06:20.11 | kerio | i just want something to play dai-ou-jou on the road |
| 06:21.28 | kerio | (one of the 10630 games) |
| 06:21.44 | hiemanshu_ | dai-ou-jou? |
| 06:23.26 | hiemanshu_ | kerio, I have a PSP for on the road gaming |
| 06:23.29 | hiemanshu_ | works perfect for me :P |
| 06:23.35 | kerio | do you think its CPU is that new? |
| 06:23.44 | kerio | hiemanshu_: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtFkpldJSpY |
| 06:24.01 | kerio | also your nick is horrible to tabcomplete, why don't you ghost hiemanshu? |
| 06:24.05 | hiemanshu_ | kerio, I bought it years ago |
| 06:24.19 | hiemanshu_ | kerio, because thats on quassel, and where I am right now, fucking quassel wont work :( |
| 06:24.28 | hiemanshu_ | so ahve to use a ghost here |
| 06:24.45 | kerio | no, i mean, /ns ghost hiemanshu |
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| 06:33.02 | hiemanshu_ | kerio, I know, but I dont want to do that, that is connected to over 60-ish channels on 3 different networks |
| 06:33.29 | kerio | won't it reconnect? :| |
| 06:33.54 | hiemanshu_ | it will, but I have it logging too |
| 06:34.25 | hiemanshu_ | and my quassel client wont connect from where I am right now, some insane issue no idea at all :/ |
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| 06:49.09 | hiemanshu | kerio: ok, this works on windows, but not on linux :/ |
| 06:49.26 | kerio | you're lying |
| 06:49.33 | kerio | stop lying |
| 06:50.06 | hiemanshu | hah, I wish I was |
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| 07:25.47 | psycho_oreos | any of you guys happen to have BH-905 headset? I just need the FCC ID for the device as I'm planning to mod mine somehow |
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| 07:33.46 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 07:34.00 | alterego | Aloha |
| 07:34.11 | alterego | checks his order |
| 07:34.16 | alterego | "New Order" :) |
| 07:34.19 | alterego | oh well |
| 07:35.24 | psycho_oreos | morn |
| 07:35.36 | psycho_oreos | still waiting on n8? :p |
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| 07:37.28 | vdv | is it ok to modify /ets/fstab and add there a line to mount ext3 partitiion which is on microsd? won't it brick my device? |
| 07:38.19 | alterego | No, got the N8 last week, now my gf has stolen it. |
| 07:38.25 | Termana | Damn. I think I'm going insane. Time to go to the loony bin for me |
| 07:38.31 | hiemanshu | alterego: hah, same here :P |
| 07:39.09 | Termana | When I add a set to my program, it works like it is suppose to. When I remove that set it stops. But the set actually DOES NOTHING. |
| 07:39.14 | hiemanshu | vdv: well no, but if you boot without the microsd you can have a probkem |
| 07:39.37 | psycho_oreos | alterego, lol |
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| 08:06.20 | Khertan_w | mornig |
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| 08:08.40 | hiemanshu | Khertan_w: morning |
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| 08:12.00 | vdv | hiemanshu: what if i put noauto option? |
| 08:12.24 | vdv | ~chroot |
| 08:12.25 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, chroot is a way to change the root directory of a process, see also http://people.debian.org/~walters/chroot.html |
| 08:12.34 | hiemanshu | vdv: sure, you'll have to still do a mount -a in the terminal then |
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| 08:13.46 | vdv | i don't understand why in the instructions to configure chroot environment in this link "http://talk.maemo.org/archive/index.php/t-71139.html" two dirs are created /floppy and /sdk |
| 08:13.53 | vdv | hiemanshu: ok, thanks |
| 08:15.21 | vdv | why we need qmount? |
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| 08:22.40 | vdv | ah, clear, we qmount sdk file to make changes in it |
| 08:23.06 | vdv | and then use modified image to do a qchroot |
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| 08:40.20 | vdv | seems i have misunderstood that chroot stuff |
| 08:41.56 | vdv | i thought, i do qchroot to some dir (which is on my microsd), and then i'm isolated from main system, and if i apt-get for example everything goes under chroot dir (which has it's own structure) and doesn't pollute main system |
| 08:42.48 | vdv | but now i see, that the size of the dir to which i've chroot-ed is ~6Gb at the moment, while my sdcard size (on which that dir locates) is only 4Gb |
| 08:43.05 | vdv | how can that happen? |
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| 08:43.53 | vdv | and why when i do df, i don't see which partition actually grows? |
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| 08:47.01 | vdv | how can i "un-qchroot"? |
| 08:47.21 | vdv | simply do exit from that shell? |
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| 10:13.44 | DocScrutinizer | hiemanshu: fstab on maemo5 is useless |
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| 10:14.51 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: is the partition hardcoded? |
| 10:14.58 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 10:15.04 | hiemanshu | thats sad |
| 10:15.06 | DocScrutinizer | fstab is a generated file |
| 10:15.56 | hiemanshu | ah |
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| 10:17.17 | DocScrutinizer | you should find a ticket on bmo, with a patch attached |
| 10:17.35 | DocScrutinizer | dunno if it's in PR1.3 or at least in CSSU |
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| 10:50.30 | deimos | just got "your order has been sent" email. FYI my OID is 052782 made on 7 july :) |
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| 10:53.28 | DocScrutinizer | deimos: grat |
| 10:53.31 | DocScrutinizer | great |
| 10:53.47 | DocScrutinizer | looks for the vacuum cleaner... :-S |
| 10:54.04 | deimos | ehe |
| 10:54.09 | DocScrutinizer | curses debris unde laptop keys |
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| 10:55.03 | DocScrutinizer | deimos: you should receive your DHL tracking info same time |
| 10:55.20 | deimos | none yet |
| 10:55.34 | DocScrutinizer | it's from same dude as the OID msg |
| 10:55.38 | DocScrutinizer | gal? |
| 10:55.41 | Sicelo | brute force attacks ddp... to change shipping address info for OD 052782 |
| 10:55.46 | Sicelo | *OID |
| 10:55.59 | deimos | gal ? |
| 10:56.06 | DocScrutinizer | joan |
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| 10:56.50 | Sicelo | j/k ;) |
| 10:56.51 | deimos | nope, Polla Esguerra |
| 10:57.14 | DocScrutinizer | deimos: who's sender of the mail subj: >>Ticket for order OID-052736<< ? |
| 10:57.18 | DocScrutinizer | ok |
| 10:57.29 | deimos | Sicelo, the ddp has a military escort :) |
| 10:57.57 | DocScrutinizer | well, I got another mail of same addr with DHL info, tracking nr etc |
| 10:58.04 | deimos | DocScrutinizer, noreplay....#nokia |
| 10:58.24 | lardman | is curious whether deimos will receive another email with tracking info soon |
| 10:58.53 | deimos | lardman, I will tell |
| 10:59.32 | DocScrutinizer | mine took 2h from the >>ticket OID<< one |
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| 11:00.28 | hiemanshu | I am still waiting for the 'Your order has been sent' |
| 11:01.08 | hiemanshu | and everyone who got their devices should burn in hell |
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| 11:02.19 | DocScrutinizer | hiemanshu: I'm in this channel every day, that's enough! I'm just booking a holiday in hell from that |
| 11:02.29 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: hah |
| 11:02.43 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: I am going to be like that |
| 11:02.45 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: its fun :P |
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| 11:04.20 | deimos | they knocking the door ! |
| 11:04.24 | deimos | its DHL ! |
| 11:04.34 | hiemanshu | really? |
| 11:04.40 | deimos | mehe |
| 11:04.51 | trx | i got order sent 2-3 days ago |
| 11:05.00 | trx | and still no ID from DHL |
| 11:05.11 | trx | damn DHL |
| 11:05.17 | hiemanshu | trx: email the DDP one asking for the ID |
| 11:05.25 | DocScrutinizer | trx: DHL **will not send anything to you** |
| 11:05.37 | trx | it won't? |
| 11:05.39 | DocScrutinizer | trx: DHL doesn't even know your friggin email addr |
| 11:05.47 | lardman | lol |
| 11:05.57 | lardman | appears DHL tried to deliver something today |
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| 11:06.07 | lardman | so my wife just phoned to tell me |
| 11:06.33 | DocScrutinizer | see, you were late to ask **NOKIA** for shipping details and DHL tracking number |
| 11:06.34 | hiemanshu | lardman: and? |
| 11:06.56 | lardman | she wasn't in |
| 11:07.20 | trx | why did they tell me "You will also receive an automatic email notification from the courier providing you the shipment details. " in the mail then :| |
| 11:07.38 | DocScrutinizer | dudes, it's NOKIA that will send a mail with DHL tracking number to you (or not) - never DHL for all I know |
| 11:08.14 | hiemanshu | lardman: so you can just go pick it up from the center? |
| 11:08.22 | hiemanshu | lardman: or do you need a tracking number for that? |
| 11:08.23 | DocScrutinizer | trx: dunno |
| 11:08.43 | lardman | but in my case noone will send me an email with tracking info ;) |
| 11:08.50 | trx | well, i dont really *need* the tracking id, but it would be nice if i could see if the package is in the country or not :/ |
| 11:08.59 | lardman | hiemanshu: centre if a pita to get to, will go for a re-delivery |
| 11:09.00 | trx | so i can leave my house :) |
| 11:09.03 | lardman | s/if/is |
| 11:09.22 | hiemanshu | lardman: ah ok |
| 11:09.23 | deimos | meanwhile more then 47 has received the phone |
| 11:09.26 | DocScrutinizer | lardman: then you need to pester *NOKIA* about it, as there's nuttin probably that DHL could do |
| 11:09.45 | lardman | hiemanshu: got a bit of card with the details through the door that can be used to re-deliver or pick up in person |
| 11:09.57 | lardman | DocScrutinizer: I know, and I did email them |
| 11:10.12 | hiemanshu | lardman: pester em then :P |
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| 11:10.49 | DocScrutinizer | I really don't think Nokia is supposed to disclose your email to DHL |
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| 11:11.14 | DocScrutinizer | so where from should DHL know whom to mail? |
| 11:11.20 | trx | i think they do |
| 11:11.31 | trx | its not like DHL will send spam or something |
| 11:11.46 | lcuk | they might if you order a parcel of spam from somewhere |
| 11:12.02 | trx | lol |
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| 11:12.14 | trx | that is correct :) |
| 11:13.03 | DocScrutinizer | well, *I* never received a DHL mail without first clicking a tracking URL or "forward that mail to DHL"(a mail as the one from *NOKIA*) |
| 11:13.37 | trx | damn, i caught a cold :| its damn 39C arround here for like a week, wtf |
| 11:13.49 | DocScrutinizer | the tracking number always cam from sender, never from DHL |
| 11:14.08 | trx | DocScrutinizer i guess you are right |
| 11:14.20 | DocScrutinizer | after all that's what the tracking number is all about, otherwise you could log in to DHL with your email addr |
| 11:14.48 | hiemanshu | I am off for the rest of the day |
| 11:14.59 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: when I get back home, I'll book you a holiday in hell :P |
| 11:17.03 | DocScrutinizer | hiemanshu: thanks, but no need for that. You do a hell of a job to make my stay here as pleasant as possible ;-P |
| 11:18.27 | DocScrutinizer | trx: aircons can do that, frequently. AC is notorious to give you a cold |
| 11:18.47 | lardman | a cold or an irritated nose? |
| 11:18.48 | trx | yeah but i dont have one here |
| 11:18.51 | trx | nose |
| 11:19.08 | DocScrutinizer | neh, hayfever |
| 11:19.56 | DocScrutinizer | ~weather EDDN |
| 11:20.15 | trx | 17C |
| 11:20.16 | trx | ? |
| 11:20.17 | DocScrutinizer | pretty nice |
| 11:20.18 | trx | o_O |
| 11:20.31 | trx | damn i wish it was 17C here too |
| 11:20.38 | trx | instead of 35C |
| 11:20.40 | DocScrutinizer | eh? dew point |
| 11:20.51 | trx | oh |
| 11:21.08 | trx | well, 23 isn't far :) |
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| 11:21.52 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, that's at airport - here in downtown it actually has... 28.4 |
| 11:22.25 | DocScrutinizer | should have a bike ride to airport |
| 11:22.45 | RST38h | meanwhile: Apple Stops Distributing Pedophile Mascot |
| 11:23.10 | trx | lol |
| 11:23.25 | DocScrutinizer | a bady doll? |
| 11:23.29 | DocScrutinizer | baby |
| 11:24.06 | DocScrutinizer | used diapers? |
| 11:24.23 | DocScrutinizer | ooh mascot, not fetish |
| 11:24.37 | RST38h | the pedobear |
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| 11:43.11 | Shapeshifter | uh guys, wasn't there a 'personal data plan monitor' widget or something to keep track of rx/tx over gprs? |
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| 11:43.21 | Shapeshifter | I can't find it |
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| 11:44.26 | Shapeshifter | oh... "personal-gprs-mon" |
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| 11:44.54 | trx | Settings/Phone/ "Home Network Data" |
| 11:45.04 | Shapeshifter | trx: I meant the home screen widget |
| 11:45.10 | trx | oh, that |
| 11:45.18 | trx | no idea :) |
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| 11:53.34 | vdv | if i do qchroot image dir, some mounts are done behind the scene, those mounts are not undo if i leave chroot, isn't there any command to "cleanup" after leaving chroot? |
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| 12:01.00 | Tronic | Is it possible to copy&paste in the N950 terminal? |
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| 12:31.16 | villager | vdv: what, like qumount? |
| 12:32.37 | villager | vfv: I think there's closechroot |
| 12:32.40 | villager | vdv, I mean |
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| 12:48.43 | DocScrutinizer | Tronic: nope |
| 12:50.04 | DocScrutinizer | villager: I'd expect a qchroot --close or sth |
| 12:50.16 | DocScrutinizer | nfc about qchroot though |
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| 13:00.16 | villager | DocScrutinizer: no, those shell scripts don't take options... gotta use /sbin/closechroot |
| 13:00.55 | DocScrutinizer | sounds like a poor design |
| 13:01.13 | DocScrutinizer | that's what? Qt? |
| 13:02.08 | villager | huh? they're shell scripts, no GUI, so no Qt |
| 13:03.43 | villager | presumably qchroot means "quick chroot" |
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| 13:12.16 | trx | omg |
| 13:12.41 | trx | i've sent a mail to ask for my DHL tracking number |
| 13:13.19 | trx | and they said, "yeah, sending to serbia is not easy, so they sent it to *RUSSIA*" |
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| 13:13.35 | trx | so they will send it from there... |
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| 13:14.19 | trx | there is DHL in serbia, in like 20 cities |
| 13:14.29 | trx | they have offices |
| 13:14.32 | Cor-Ai | haha |
| 13:15.28 | trx | why add 2000 extra kilometers to *my* shipment |
| 13:15.33 | trx | :/ |
| 13:15.45 | Cor-Ai | hahaha that sucks! |
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| 13:16.26 | trx | yeap, i shouldn't have asked for tracking number, ignorance is bliss.. |
| 13:16.30 | lcuk | trx more important than offices in your country is delivery vans! |
| 13:16.32 | Termana_ | darn it. something is wrong with my BNC |
| 13:16.39 | lcuk | unless the office itself drives down the road |
| 13:17.02 | trx | they have delivery vans, i saw one just a week ago in my town |
| 13:17.22 | MohammadAG | Termana_, it's trolling you |
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| 13:30.28 | DocScrutinizer | hi javispedro |
| 13:30.45 | DocScrutinizer | #harmattan has infobot now :-) |
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| 13:32.23 | javispedro | it's still an abomination! |
| 13:32.41 | javispedro | where are the publicly visible, google-indexed, logs? |
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| 13:32.49 | javispedro | puts sim on n950... |
| 13:33.01 | javispedro | plan to test this afternoon on the field |
| 13:33.09 | DocScrutinizer | \o/ |
| 13:33.31 | javispedro | oh. |
| 13:33.38 | DocScrutinizer | ~logs |
| 13:33.38 | infobot | All conversations are logged to http://ibot.rikers.org/%23maemo/ Lines starting with spaces are not logged. Logs are updated daily. |
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| 13:34.21 | DocScrutinizer | publicly visible, probably also google-indexed |
| 13:34.27 | javispedro | provider sent me an email congratulating me on choosing a MMS capable phone! I will now be able to enjoy interesting MMS offers and promotions! |
| 13:34.32 | javispedro | sighs |
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| 13:35.40 | javispedro | http://ibot.rikers.org/%23harmattan/ 404 |
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| 13:38.11 | DocScrutinizer | it's active since 18h, so you have to wait another few |
| 13:38.36 | DocScrutinizer | this is no livelog |
| 13:38.43 | javispedro | buaaaaaaaaah |
| 13:38.51 | Guest22706 | darn it |
| 13:39.04 | DocScrutinizer | well, you're free to /join if you want "live" |
| 13:39.27 | javispedro | there's people that like to turn the computer off =) |
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| 13:39.57 | DocScrutinizer | the traffic isn't likely to make your client fall short of RAM in 24h |
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| 14:00.41 | jonwil | today was a very successful day, I grabbed all the logs I need to implement cbsms |
| 14:00.49 | SpeedEvil | :):) |
| 14:02.18 | jonwil | All I need to do now to write the implementation I have planned is to A.Find some actual information about it (e.g. from the GSM specs) that explain some of the bits I dont know and cant find out through testing and B.Find out how to attach GDB to whatever process is loading connui-cellular-operator-home-item.so so I can debug some of whats going on in that plugin |
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| 14:08.43 | jonwil | finding the answer to A is going to be annoying given how hard it was to find any of the specs for GSM/3G/UMTS/etc last time I looked |
| 14:10.26 | jonwil | and B will be hard because I dont know how to attach to hildon-desktop with GDB (I think that's the binary that does the status bar gizmos) or if its even possible to do it safety :P |
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| 14:17.45 | Sicelo | ~seen robbiethe1st |
| 14:17.48 | infobot | robbiethe1st <~robbiethe@71-34-223-199.spkn.qwest.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 3d 2h 34m 26s ago, saying: 'Facebook = evil'. |
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| 14:28.37 | DocScrutinizer | jonwil: I can probably help a bit on A |
| 14:29.16 | jonwil | so you know of some specs on how the smscb data is actually encoded? |
| 14:29.19 | DocScrutinizer | jonwil: ...as I looked into all that's related for your case out of own interest |
| 14:29.38 | DocScrutinizer | it seems easy |
| 14:29.44 | DocScrutinizer | I decoded it |
| 14:29.57 | DocScrutinizer | it's a normal SMS for most of the bits |
| 14:30.15 | DocScrutinizer | it's that strange 7in8 encoding |
| 14:30.26 | jonwil | yeah the actual text is no problems |
| 14:30.47 | jonwil | I am trying to figure out what the geo scope means as well as what the message code, update number and dcs mean |
| 14:30.48 | DocScrutinizer | aah, you ask about the other bits like $LANG etc? |
| 14:31.08 | jonwil | yes |
| 14:31.15 | jonwil | other bits beyond just the raw characters |
| 14:31.17 | jonwil | thats where I am stuck |
| 14:31.44 | jonwil | I am also wondering if there are any official specs for what the different message identifiers mean. |
| 14:31.45 | DocScrutinizer | message code is probably about representation (popup etc), update number should help to filter out retransmits |
| 14:32.08 | DocScrutinizer | and DCS I've seen but have to look up again |
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| 14:32.50 | jonwil | I know that channel 50 is used to transmit the cell tower name |
| 14:33.02 | DocScrutinizer | (msg id) there is, I actually have it *somewhere* in my ~x GB pdf docs here |
| 14:33.03 | jonwil | but there has to be some sort of spec that says "channel 50 is the cell tower name" |
| 14:33.14 | DocScrutinizer | (50) just convention |
| 14:33.44 | jonwil | well someone made the decision and its been documented somewhere for everyone else to follow |
| 14:33.47 | DocScrutinizer | there is a "suggestion" about some chan's meanings |
| 14:34.21 | DocScrutinizer | I'll try to dig out that pdf for you later |
| 14:34.30 | jonwil | in any case this doesnt really help me unless I can solve B and get a debugger inside connui-cellular-operator-home-item.so |
| 14:34.34 | jonwil | :) |
| 14:36.14 | DocScrutinizer | basically most of what's been planned for smscb isn't implemented at least here in Germany. For example iirc there should be a channel index in plain text, on chan1 |
| 14:36.51 | DocScrutinizer | there are weather-chan defines, as well as particular chan for (car) traffic messages |
| 14:37.00 | DocScrutinizer | none of that exists |
| 14:37.27 | jonwil | well all I get here on Optus in .au is channel 50 |
| 14:37.33 | jonwil | with the cell tower name |
| 14:38.00 | jonwil | What I did find out today is that there are multiple cell towers with different IDs all squawking the same name |
| 14:38.02 | DocScrutinizer | in germany I get chan221 gaus-krueger coords on O2 carrier |
| 14:38.16 | DocScrutinizer | no cell tower names though |
| 14:38.42 | DocScrutinizer | I heard t-mobile/t-kom does city names on 50 or 100 |
| 14:39.20 | DocScrutinizer | as there occasionally were tariffs for cheap calls in same city |
| 14:40.00 | DocScrutinizer | some 10 years ago ;-) |
| 14:41.11 | jonwil | I only get tower names if I switch to GSM |
| 14:41.20 | jonwil | I think few if any carriers do tower names on 3G |
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| 14:41.37 | jonwil | because there has been no support for it in 3G kit |
| 14:41.45 | jonwil | and there is no support for it in 3G kit because operators dont care about it |
| 14:42.03 | DocScrutinizer | on O2 the so called home-zone (cheaper tariff) gets calculated from gauss-krueger locally on MT for display, while actual balncing is done independently based on a less precise BTS based scheme |
| 14:42.57 | DocScrutinizer | I'm not sure if there is such a thing like SMSCB on 3G. They might have scraped it from specs |
| 14:43.14 | jonwil | there definatly is |
| 14:43.20 | DocScrutinizer | in favour of another IP centric approach |
| 14:43.23 | jonwil | at least AFAIK |
| 14:43.45 | jonwil | wikipedia says "Cell Broadcast messaging is also supported by UMTS" |
| 14:44.04 | DocScrutinizer | that's strange then, as I don't see how O2 does their homezone calculation for display then |
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| 14:44.50 | jonwil | wikipedia also talks about an interface between the cell broadcast center to the 3G RNC |
| 14:45.02 | DocScrutinizer | probably it got obsoleted by AGPS SUPL via UMTS which should also deliver the BTS location |
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| 14:45.10 | jonwil | with mention of a 3gpp spec for it |
| 14:45.27 | jonwil | well there is definatly support for CBSMS in 3G UMTS networks |
| 14:45.33 | jonwil | as in the specs support it |
| 14:45.44 | jonwil | its just a question of which networks do anything with it |
| 14:46.12 | DocScrutinizer | :nod:, never seen it happen though, here and for O2 (no investigation done for other carriers) |
| 14:46.24 | DocScrutinizer | anyway ttyl |
| 14:46.26 | DocScrutinizer | o/ |
| 14:46.27 | jonwil | cya |
| 14:47.10 | jonwil | I suspect that the use of CBSMS for emergency warning and things will be made to work on 3G networks as well as GSM |
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| 15:12.28 | DocScrutinizer | fair enough |
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| 15:16.51 | rm_work | so who all actually got their devices shipped today? :P |
| 15:17.04 | rm_work | want to know who to congratulate |
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| 15:17.41 | Jaffa | is pissed off with n9seconds.com. Found a load of them (I think), including the obvious two the Twitter feed refreences |
| 15:19.05 | dm8tbr | rm_work: I got mine in the morning |
| 15:19.14 | rm_work | Jaffa: ? |
| 15:19.29 | Jaffa | rm_work: http://mynokiablog.com/2011/07/13/crack-some-codes-win-a-nokia-n9-competition-n9seconds/ |
| 15:19.55 | Jaffa | rm_work: Watch the videos from youtube.com/nokia closely and enter codes at n9seconds.com. There are 12 codes remaining to be found which'll win their finder an N9 |
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| 15:20.21 | Jaffa | Unfortunately it doesn't distinguish between right, but found and wrong code or even wrong captcha. |
| 15:20.34 | rm_work | lol |
| 15:21.17 | Jaffa | I wouldn't mind too much if the Twitter feed at twitter.com/n9seconds was actually updating with those that've been found. Then, at least, I could feel smug. |
| 15:21.31 | Jaffa | Being right is more important than winning :) |
| 15:22.16 | rm_work | lol |
| 15:22.23 | rm_work | if i weren't at work i might take a crack at it |
| 15:22.31 | rm_work | i am seeing how they work in general, i think |
| 15:22.51 | Jaffa | There seems to be one in each one |
| 15:22.56 | Jaffa | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1050225#post1050225 |
| 15:23.20 | Jaffa | And there's also a letter hidden in each. 'S', 'T', 'E/3', ... |
| 15:23.40 | Jaffa | Since there's six videos, that leads to another one. |
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| 15:33.58 | GAN900 | Randomized shipping order |
| 15:34.03 | GAN900 | gotta love it |
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| 15:34.53 | Jaffa | GAN900: It's also randomized device shipping. |
| 15:35.51 | GAN900 | Maybe I'll get a C3! |
| 15:37.54 | Tronic | Is it possible to copy text (other than textfields) from N950 browser? |
| 15:38.34 | frals | negative, no superawesome manipulation mode :< |
| 15:41.22 | Jaffa | It's also not possible to copy, paste or launch links in MeeGo Terminal |
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| 15:41.28 | Jaffa | Those two limitations are surprisingly annoying |
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| 15:47.15 | frals | terminal is in gitorious ;) |
| 15:48.21 | Tronic | frals: Cool. Is there some good docs on how to gets started with development? |
| 15:49.11 | frals | i guess swipe.nokia.com should have everything you need |
| 15:49.21 | Tronic | THe phone had the API docs in it but that doesn't really help too much. SDK is not ready yet, I suppose (I have one for N900 only). |
| 15:49.54 | Tronic | frals: That is a consumer site, not useful at all. |
| 15:50.50 | frals | Tronic: it got a "Developers" link |
| 15:50.59 | frals | Tronic: http://www.developer.nokia.com/Devices/MeeGo/ |
| 15:51.09 | gri | Tronic: The scratchbox sdk is pretty usable in my eyes |
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| 15:54.13 | deimos | lardman, DHL email come 2:09 after the delivered email |
| 15:54.35 | Tronic | frals: More API docs and hype, yahoo. Perhaps a more recent SDK version than what I installed a while back. No info on git repository addresses, package repositories (extras?) etc. |
| 15:54.47 | Tronic | I guess I need to go browsing the forums/google myself. |
| 15:55.33 | frals | what git repos are you actually looking for? |
| 15:55.55 | frals | afaik the oss stuff should eb on meego.gitorious.org |
| 15:56.09 | Tronic | Just trying to get an overlook of the device. To know what there is source code available for, perhaps look or modify it to familiriaze myself with the system. |
| 15:56.19 | Tronic | *overview |
| 15:56.56 | frals | something like "Harmattan overview" provided in the developer docs? |
| 15:58.14 | Tronic | Getting there... http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/Introduction.html |
| 15:58.58 | gri | Someone said a sdk update will come in the next weeks |
| 15:59.15 | gri | Also currently accounts api can only be viewed on gitorious :( |
| 16:04.40 | x29a | anybody working with the qtsdk and a local copy of qt? or would it make sense to link the path to the qt version of qtsdk/desktop? |
| 16:04.50 | DocScrutinizer | wonders if a firmware update will come in the next weeks |
| 16:05.32 | DocScrutinizer | it's not exactly sensible to give developers an obsolete OS |
| 16:06.44 | frals | ah give it a break, few weeks old is not obsolete |
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| 16:08.53 | lardman | deimos: thanks, I got a dhl tracking number after contacting Nokia, but the package had already been delivered (or attempted anyway) |
| 16:13.13 | GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer, track down konttori and beat it out of him. |
| 16:13.57 | DocScrutinizer | GeneralAntilles: haha |
| 16:14.46 | DocScrutinizer | frals: according to konttori there are 3000+ bugs fixed from what we got to recent version |
| 16:15.07 | DocScrutinizer | frals: I'd think that's just obsolete enough to start getting annoying |
| 16:15.36 | frals | 3000? |
| 16:15.46 | frals | maybe if you consider every string fix in localization a bug |
| 16:15.50 | DocScrutinizer | that's what konttori said, yes |
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| 16:17.12 | frals | i have a hard time believing you or anyone else would get seriously hindered in development by event a fraction of those bugs |
| 16:17.35 | DocScrutinizer | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2011-07-02.log.html#t2011-07-02T00:02:15 |
| 16:18.20 | DocScrutinizer | >> konttori_home Hmm.. we have fixed around 3000 bugs since w22. So, what you guys have is pretty different from the current reality |
| 16:18.21 | frals | guess he forgot to mention 2800 of them were localization bugs ;p (number out of thin air etc etc etc) |
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| 16:18.34 | Itschue | moin moin |
| 16:20.15 | GeneralAntilles | frals, things like working GTalk make it a lot easier to use as a primary device |
| 16:20.21 | GeneralAntilles | and working phone calls, apparently. |
| 16:21.46 | Shapeshifter | what has working GTalk? |
| 16:21.50 | Shapeshifter | N950? |
| 16:22.01 | GeneralAntilles | Shapeshifter, not in the public image. |
| 16:22.05 | frals | GeneralAntilles: getting it google certified would allow it to be distributed, i assume |
| 16:22.25 | frals | and would you rather have no device at all then one without gtalk? |
| 16:22.31 | Shapeshifter | GeneralAntilles: but that's just IM, or voice/video as well? |
| 16:22.39 | GeneralAntilles | frals, at the moment that's the case, so meh. |
| 16:22.40 | Itschue | helolo ma i right that the lifeguard_reset file shows how often the specify ap ist restartet? |
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| 16:27.34 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
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| 16:34.01 | hiemanshu | haha |
| 16:34.07 | hiemanshu | well nokia still hasn't shipped my phone :( |
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| 16:37.10 | Itschue | i find cat 32wd_to but n900 cant open file is this file only available whne there are min. 1 count? or i this a false argument(befehl) |
| 16:37.26 | Shapeshifter | so how does this sound? Step 1) I put up an iphone 3GS 8gbit up for sale for around 220 euros, new, unopened. 2) If nobody buys it - meh, if somebody does -> 3) I do a new contract with a mobile provider which gives me an iphone 3gs 8gb for free. total running cost for the contract over a year: 220 euros. 4) I ship the iphone I sold earlier |
| 16:38.30 | SpeedEvil | Where did you get the first phone? |
| 16:38.50 | Jaffa | Shapeshifter: You've sold something you don't own |
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| 16:39.23 | SpeedEvil | Not true AIUI. You own the phone - you're just locked into keeping paying the contract. |
| 16:41.28 | Shapeshifter | well it's called 'selling short' |
| 16:41.53 | Shapeshifter | SpeedEvil: there is no first phone |
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| 16:42.50 | rm_work | ah |
| 16:42.52 | rm_work | i get it |
| 16:42.59 | rm_work | lol interesting plan |
| 16:43.06 | rm_work | dunno if they lock the iphone to your plan somehow |
| 16:43.27 | rm_work | since it is CDMA not GSM (right?) it will have to be programmed or something? there's no SIM? not sure how that works |
| 16:43.32 | Shapeshifter | The upside is, I have no risk. I don't even want an iphone. But I can just sell off the phone first - (if it sells) - and then use that money to run the plan for a year. If it doesn't sell, I lost nothing except the 20 cents for the auction. |
| 16:43.39 | Itschue | how ca i find out how often the n900 has a watchdog reset and software reset? |
| 16:43.43 | Shapeshifter | rm_work: it will have a sim lock, but I checked the going prices |
| 16:43.54 | Shapeshifter | rm_work: people still love buying their overpriced iphones |
| 16:44.00 | rm_work | lol |
| 16:44.40 | Shapeshifter | My only worry is what happens if they run out of stock of iphones 3gs's just as someone commits to buying my not-yet-obtained phone |
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| 16:44.54 | Shapeshifter | well, it wouldn't be any worse than a negative feedback on my ebay. |
| 16:45.45 | rm_work | i assume so, as long as you either refund their oney or refuse to accept it somehow |
| 16:46.44 | rm_work | *money |
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| 16:58.07 | DocScrutinizer51 | "sorry I broke it while packagin" |
| 17:00.33 | trumee | DocScrutinizer: what do i need to send a message using dbus-send? |
| 17:00.37 | trumee | DocScrutinizer51: dbus-send --system --type=method_call --print-reply --dest=org.questions /org/questions/linux org.questions.linux.ask_some_questions |
| 17:00.53 | trumee | DocScrutinizer51: returns error Error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.questions was not provided by any .service files |
| 17:01.25 | trumee | DocScrutinizer51: i was hoping to send the 'total call time' via dbus signal |
| 17:01.58 | DocScrutinizer51 | don't give destination |
| 17:02.04 | DocScrutinizer51 | for signals |
| 17:02.21 | DocScrutinizer51 | no type=methodcall |
| 17:02.38 | DocScrutinizer51 | bbl |
| 17:03.20 | GAN900 | I'm going to have to expand the 2-minutes hate soon. |
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| 17:08.23 | rm_work | GAN900: ? |
| 17:08.36 | GeneralAntilles | More and more people getting N950s. |
| 17:08.44 | GeneralAntilles | 2 minutes just isn't enough time. |
| 17:08.50 | rm_work | lol |
| 17:09.01 | rm_work | i think i missed your "2 minutes of hate" |
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| 17:09.27 | fredrin | where can i get an 950? |
| 17:09.35 | ShadowJK | You cant |
| 17:09.41 | ShadowJK | that's why we hate |
| 17:09.42 | fredrin | :( |
| 17:09.50 | fredrin | hayte |
| 17:11.14 | DocScrutinizer51 | fredrin: wait two weeks, then I'll tell Nokia they can sell you mine :-) I prefer my N900 all days |
| 17:12.17 | fredrin | not sure if i want to get an n900 |
| 17:12.23 | fredrin | i got two n900 now |
| 17:12.34 | fredrin | can switch though :( |
| 17:12.35 | fredrin | :) |
| 17:12.37 | fredrin | err |
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| 17:12.48 | fredrin | how's life by the way DocScrutinizer |
| 17:13.00 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer51 has a N950 and hating it :P |
| 17:13.11 | rm_work | DocScrutinizer51: you really don't like it compared to N900? that's kinda what I was afraid of |
| 17:13.19 | trumee | DocScrutinizer51: ok, this works. dbus-send --system /org/questions/linux org.questions.linux.ask_some_questions |
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| 17:14.06 | piggz_ | you can be a tech blogger and get one it seems..so long as you tweet enough...an irish guy who has a technology blog has been sent one |
| 17:14.41 | hypatia | hey folks, i have the AWS n900 and want to reflash with the latest image. should i be using the NA or the Global bin? |
| 17:14.52 | SpeedEvil | global |
| 17:14.54 | SpeedEvil | AWS?/ |
| 17:15.12 | hypatia | as in aws 3G |
| 17:15.15 | hypatia | tmobile US etc |
| 17:15.36 | hypatia | so global eh |
| 17:16.15 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 17:16.17 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 17:16.30 | hypatia | thanks :) |
| 17:16.49 | SpeedEvil | I don't think there are any cases you don't want to do global |
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| 17:18.42 | hypatia | good to know |
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| 17:27.13 | DocScrutinizer51 | always global |
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| 17:27.53 | DocScrutinizer51 | localized seems always about leaving things out to comply some local legalese |
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| 17:31.30 | rm_work | how do i tell if i'm running global or NA firmware |
| 17:31.35 | rm_work | i forget which i flashed last time |
| 17:33.58 | rm_work | which kind of SD does n950 use again? guessing microSD? |
| 17:34.06 | Sicelo | none |
| 17:34.11 | Sicelo | afaik |
| 17:34.23 | rm_work | wait what? |
| 17:35.29 | Sicelo | N950 u mean? |
| 17:35.58 | GeneralAntilles | None |
| 17:36.04 | GeneralAntilles | It's just got the 16GB built-in. |
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| 17:36.25 | trumee | how can i restart dbus-scripts daemon? |
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| 17:36.46 | crashanddie | sup #maemo |
| 17:36.51 | crashanddie | Meego flying high still? |
| 17:36.58 | crashanddie | Nokia deceived anyone lately? |
| 17:37.05 | trumee | since /etc/init.d/dbus-scripts restart doesnt restart i |
| 17:37.06 | crashanddie | Canceled a project, anything? |
| 17:38.10 | trumee | let me rephrase my question how do i restart an 'upstart' daemon? |
| 17:38.44 | hypatia | huh, after reboot, sdcard won't mount over usb |
| 17:38.49 | hypatia | on 1.3 |
| 17:39.01 | Venemo | crashanddie, hm? |
| 17:39.04 | hiemanshu | GeneralAntilles: yours sent yet? |
| 17:39.14 | crashanddie | trumee: service dbus-scripts restart? |
| 17:39.33 | GeneralAntilles | Nope |
| 17:39.36 | trumee | crashanddie: /bin/sh: service: not found |
| 17:39.39 | Venemo | crashanddie, they shipped da N950 before I anticipated, so I'm happy with them |
| 17:39.45 | hiemanshu | GeneralAntilles: so I am not the only one, happy to know :P |
| 17:39.50 | hiemanshu | Venemo: I iz not :P |
| 17:40.43 | crashanddie | trumee: and what does /etc/init.d/dbus-scripts restart say? |
| 17:40.44 | hiemanshu | I am happy for different reasons, so its fine for me now :P |
| 17:40.48 | crashanddie | trumee: or stop/start for that matter |
| 17:41.02 | crashanddie | trumee: upstart should be compatible with the old sysv system. |
| 17:41.05 | trumee | crashanddie: killall dbus-scripts did the trick |
| 17:41.19 | crashanddie | you didn't try stop, did you? |
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| 17:41.44 | trumee | crashanddie: no |
| 17:41.51 | crashanddie | typical :P |
| 17:42.26 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: Think it'll arrive in time for your passport to expire? |
| 17:42.54 | trumee | crashanddie: 'stop' doesnt work |
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| 17:44.59 | GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, probably just. |
| 17:45.02 | crashanddie | doesn't work still has entered the OED as "an apt description of a technical problem", so please elaborate. |
| 17:45.14 | crashanddie | s/doesn't work/"doesn't work"/ |
| 17:45.32 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: how's you? |
| 17:45.46 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: funny you saw ZZ Top just before I did.. |
| 17:47.24 | crashanddie | god I'm so fucking bored. |
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| 17:49.11 | crashanddie | I've been on holiday for what, a whole of 3 days, and I'm so bored I don't know what to do next. |
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| 17:56.39 | DocScrutinizer51 | now the 950 GPS seems exactly like N900: no SIM no FIX |
| 17:56.44 | merlin1991 | is there a proper way to query the kernel wich filesystems it can mount? |
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| 17:57.33 | DocScrutinizer51 | yes |
| 17:57.49 | DocScrutinizer51 | something like /proc/fs |
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| 17:59.01 | DocScrutinizer51 | crashanddie: now that's a really serious cas |
| 17:59.07 | DocScrutinizer51 | case |
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| 17:59.58 | GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, go take some pictures. |
| 18:00.01 | DocScrutinizer51 | usually holiday starts when you stop feeling bored |
| 18:01.16 | merlin1991 | can someone on stock kernel pasetbin the content of /proc/filesystems |
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| 18:05.03 | GeneralAntilles | My Google |
| 18:05.10 | GeneralAntilles | + feed is filled with Italian and Spanish. |
| 18:05.16 | GeneralAntilles | and some Japanese. |
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| 18:18.43 | hypatia | so i reflashed, and i can't connect to mobile data - it shows up in connections, but when i go to connect it says "no saved connections available |
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| 18:25.52 | hypatia | hmm the internets suggest re-seating the sim |
| 18:26.27 | trumee | DocScrutinizer51: i got the dbus working to show the minutes used. http://www.flickr.com/photos/67572716@N00/5934006565/in/photostream |
| 18:26.45 | trumee | DocScrutinizer51: but still havent figured out how to trap the call hangup |
| 18:28.08 | DocScrutinizer | trumee: let's see what's my mood in 30min, maybe I like to help |
| 18:29.03 | DocScrutinizer | iirc I got some dumps of call-setup and call-teardown, as I also looked into it some 6 months ago |
| 18:29.25 | DocScrutinizer | l8r |
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| 18:34.37 | trumee | DocScrutinizer51: sorted |
| 18:34.48 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
| 18:34.50 | trumee | DocScrutinizer: found the signal and job is done |
| 18:34.50 | DocScrutinizer | how? |
| 18:35.06 | trumee | DocScrutinizer: com.nokia.mce.signal sig_call_state_ind none |
| 18:35.19 | DocScrutinizer | indeed, sounds familiar |
| 18:35.43 | trumee | DocScrutinizer: there is a niggling issue |
| 18:35.54 | DocScrutinizer | ? |
| 18:36.03 | trumee | DocScrutinizer: that signal is triggered both on sip and gsm calls. i want to trap only gsm calls |
| 18:36.24 | DocScrutinizer | hah, set a flag file on GSM call initiation |
| 18:36.53 | DocScrutinizer | touch /tmp/trumee_thisIsGSM |
| 18:37.58 | trumee | DocScrutinizer: but what do i find out if its a gsm call? |
| 18:38.06 | trumee | DocScrutinizer: i mean what signal to trap? |
| 18:38.09 | DocScrutinizer | will mess up when you establish_GSM, establish_SIP, teardown_SIP (here it thinks you end GSM), teardown_GSM |
| 18:39.00 | Itschue | how can i find out how often watchdog reset the device |
| 18:39.15 | DocScrutinizer | trumee: on signal com.nokia.mce.signal sig_call_state_ind none you check if /tmp/trumee_thisIsGSM is existing. If yes ->this is a GSM call, anyway delete file |
| 18:39.55 | DocScrutinizer | Itschue: every unadvertised reboot is a watchdog reboot |
| 18:39.56 | trumee | DocScrutinizer: yes, but where do i set /tmp/trumee_thisIsGSM flag? |
| 18:40.09 | DocScrutinizer | on call-setup |
| 18:40.23 | trumee | DocScrutinizer: and how do i sense that? |
| 18:40.28 | DocScrutinizer | you know from call-setup if you establish a GSM call |
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| 18:41.00 | DocScrutinizer | at very least from rtcomm account |
| 18:41.24 | trumee | DocScrutinizer: i am lost |
| 18:41.31 | DocScrutinizer | I guess also from format of callee number |
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| 18:41.41 | trumee | DocScrutinizer: i need the dbus signal for gsm call-setup |
| 18:41.43 | DocScrutinizer | trumee: ping me in an hour |
| 18:41.46 | Itschue | if the watchdog reset the device is this only viewable in the lifeguards_resets? because cat 32wd_to n900 sys no such file or directory |
| 18:44.13 | DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# cat /proc/bootreason |
| 18:44.15 | DocScrutinizer | pwr_key |
| 18:45.29 | Itschue | docscrutinizer is cat 32wd_to possibly oder kann mann das so nicht eingeben ? |
| 18:46.21 | trumee | DocScrutinizer: com.nokia.csd.Call CreateRequested ? |
| 18:47.11 | trumee | DocScrutinizer: any idea if that is for gsm only? |
| 18:47.17 | DocScrutinizer | Itschue: sorry I don't know what you are planning to do |
| 18:47.38 | DocScrutinizer | where is that file with filename 32wd_to ? |
| 18:47.58 | DocScrutinizer | trumee: should |
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| 18:48.09 | DocScrutinizer | err |
| 18:48.12 | DocScrutinizer | not sure |
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| 18:48.39 | DocScrutinizer | I *think* csd is modem-only |
| 18:48.49 | DocScrutinizer | ego GSM |
| 18:48.58 | Itschue | i want to know if there is an extra xounter for 32wd_to and sw_rst /proc/bootreason is empty and in lifestatguard_resets isnt such an entry i will know how often my device reboot by myself or an error |
| 18:49.43 | DocScrutinizer | Itschue: afaik there is no such counter for general watchdog-tiimeout |
| 18:50.06 | Itschue | in dsme is only the last boot reason right? |
| 18:50.10 | DocScrutinizer | anyway a general wd_to should be *extremely* rare as it would mean you made the kernel freeze |
| 18:50.22 | Itschue | ok and sw_rst |
| 18:50.46 | DocScrutinizer | iirc you find wd_to bootreason in /var/log/syslog if you have installed syslogd |
| 18:51.13 | Itschue | ok great |
| 18:51.25 | DocScrutinizer | Itschue: sw_rst is a scheduled reset by software, and thus no error at all - why should it get protocolled |
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| 18:51.49 | piggz_ | Khertan_w: lo....i came across a forum post by you regarding meego/qwidget/style/rotation while trying to solve the same problem. i sorted the style bit out, but do u know if rotation is possible? |
| 18:52.02 | crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: well, work is interesting |
| 18:52.30 | DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: either you were not ready for holiday, or vastly overdue |
| 18:52.39 | crashanddie | vastly overdue |
| 18:52.47 | crashanddie | First days off since Decembre 24th. |
| 18:53.05 | Itschue | i want to go really sure that my deive hanst rebootet by itself because i cant watch/hear 24/7 |
| 18:53.08 | DocScrutinizer | that's why I said "severe case" |
| 18:53.29 | crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: Recently we setup our own redhat network, so I've had to write all of the RPM spec files and redo most of the makefiles of the company. It's amazing how little people know of packaging and compilation. |
| 18:53.45 | GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, find a game to play? |
| 18:53.59 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: yeah, just did that for the last half hour |
| 18:54.07 | GeneralAntilles | Find a good book. |
| 18:54.13 | crashanddie | gf is about to come home from work though, and then we're off to go watch fireworks |
| 18:54.16 | DocScrutinizer | GeneralAntilles: he first has to leave the office building also with his mind |
| 18:54.18 | crashanddie | But this afternoon was hell. |
| 18:54.43 | crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: I've been doodling constantly about new ideas and features, and code implementation... Severe case as you say. |
| 18:54.50 | DocScrutinizer | no game's helping there |
| 18:55.15 | DocScrutinizer | do some monotonous work, like digging the garden |
| 18:55.22 | crashanddie | Don't have a garden. |
| 18:55.24 | DocScrutinizer | or wood pecking |
| 18:55.27 | crashanddie | Well, I do, but it's not mine. |
| 18:55.32 | GeneralAntilles | Scrub the floors. |
| 18:55.35 | crashanddie | Done. |
| 18:55.38 | DocScrutinizer | ibdeed |
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| 18:55.42 | GeneralAntilles | Clean your keyboard. |
| 18:55.45 | crashanddie | Done. |
| 18:55.47 | DocScrutinizer | nah!!! |
| 18:55.49 | DocScrutinizer | no |
| 18:55.54 | DocScrutinizer | too much IT |
| 18:56.19 | hiemanshu | hey DocScrutinizer GeneralAntilles |
| 18:56.30 | DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: see how many times you can climb top of next skyscraper in a row |
| 18:56.32 | GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, go do 50 push ups. |
| 18:56.54 | DocScrutinizer | or that |
| 18:57.01 | DocScrutinizer | then do some 50 more |
| 18:57.20 | crashanddie | I did the windows (the physical windows, not malware cleaning), painted the flat, changed the tyres and the oil on the bike and car, did the shopping, cleaned the freezer, fixed the bathtub... |
| 18:57.32 | crashanddie | A whole year of to-do list items, done in about 2 days. |
| 18:57.33 | crashanddie | Now what? |
| 18:57.34 | DocScrutinizer | your's is a severe case, it needs strong prescriptions |
| 18:57.45 | GeneralAntilles | Go get smashed with the GF? |
| 18:57.54 | crashanddie | Yeah, but she doesn't drink... |
| 18:58.04 | trumee | DocScrutinizer: ah, found easier solution, com.nokia.csd.Call.Instance Terminated |
| 18:58.17 | GeneralAntilles | It's never too late to start. |
| 18:58.21 | DocScrutinizer | that's a god one |
| 18:58.23 | DocScrutinizer | good* |
| 18:58.32 | DocScrutinizer | trumee: ^^^ |
| 18:58.46 | crashanddie | The thing is, I'd love to get back into open source... |
| 18:58.56 | crashanddie | But frankly, I can't be arsed to deal with the drama that comes with it. |
| 18:58.56 | DocScrutinizer | HAH |
| 18:58.59 | GeneralAntilles | Sounds too much like work. |
| 18:59.35 | DocScrutinizer | wonders if he's maybe morally obliged to kickban crashanddie for 3 days |
| 18:59.45 | DocScrutinizer | :-P |
| 18:59.55 | crashanddie | you do realise I can unban myself, right? :P |
| 19:00.02 | DocScrutinizer | grrr |
| 19:00.05 | DocScrutinizer | XP |
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| 19:00.22 | crashanddie | the guys at work set up an IRC server |
| 19:00.30 | DocScrutinizer | I'll convince your GF to smash your PC |
| 19:00.43 | crashanddie | My router can surf the web :P |
| 19:00.51 | DocScrutinizer | WTF?! |
| 19:00.59 | DocScrutinizer | you're a lost case |
| 19:01.02 | crashanddie | Router, connected to the TV, has a browser. |
| 19:01.16 | crashanddie | You know, the one with the remote that has a gyro in it? |
| 19:01.21 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, the weird one that stands on one corner |
| 19:01.26 | crashanddie | yeah |
| 19:02.03 | GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, are you cooking dinner? |
| 19:02.09 | DocScrutinizer | darn, that thing oughta have exploded since >3 months |
| 19:02.10 | crashanddie | No, we're going out |
| 19:02.23 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: I cooked last night though ;) |
| 19:02.53 | crashanddie | Maybe I should become a vigilante. |
| 19:03.13 | GeneralAntilles | Fighting street crime |
| 19:03.16 | DocScrutinizer | anyway, enough of RL testing Nokia's beta HW, time for some relaxing - too hot here |
| 19:03.20 | GeneralAntilles | Too much like work. |
| 19:03.45 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles: then I reply to your "reading books" -- too much like work. |
| 19:03.46 | DocScrutinizer | o/ |
| 19:04.14 | crashanddie | And the worst part is, I can't buy any gadgets to have fun with. |
| 19:04.24 | crashanddie | I put myself on a spending diet. |
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| 19:05.18 | crashanddie | The only week where I actually have time to do nothing, and I've got nothing to do! |
| 19:07.08 | GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, /fiction/ of course. :P |
| 19:07.18 | crashanddie | I can't. |
| 19:07.30 | crashanddie | Well, I could. |
| 19:08.03 | crashanddie | But I won't. |
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| 19:26.09 | pauly__ | i put my n900 on Ebay!! |
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| 19:26.41 | nmjnb | good luck with that. |
| 19:27.07 | pauly__ | i know |
| 19:27.19 | pauly__ | is $275 usd or best offer good prie |
| 19:27.19 | pauly__ | price |
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| 19:29.48 | nmjnb | I'm not from the US so I really can't tell |
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| 19:30.44 | nusse | i paid 180 euro for mine |
| 19:31.02 | trumee | DocScrutinizer: ping |
| 19:31.10 | DocScrutinizer | yoh |
| 19:31.24 | DocScrutinizer | wazzup? |
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| 19:31.46 | trumee | DocScrutinizer: the popup works if i run dbus-scripts --debug, but without --debug doesnt work :( |
| 19:31.59 | DocScrutinizer | duh |
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| 19:32.17 | DocScrutinizer | now that's kinda weird |
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| 19:32.28 | trumee | DocScrutinizer: seems popupnotifier is never triggered even though i can see dbus messages with dbus-monitor |
| 19:32.39 | trumee | DocScrutinizer: do you care to test? |
| 19:32.55 | DocScrutinizer | nah, I care to profread maybe |
| 19:33.10 | trumee | DocScrutinizer: ok, let me pastebin it. |
| 19:33.18 | DocScrutinizer | no use in testing things that don't work |
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| 19:35.46 | trumee | DocScrutinizer: http://pastebin.com/U7KnpU6z |
| 19:36.44 | trumee | DocScrutinizer: calltimerpopup.sh is not being tiggered |
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| 19:40.10 | DocScrutinizer | trumee: you're sending >> string:$usedminutes string:`expr $FREEMINUTES - $usedminutes` << which looks weird in itself without and ticks or ", but worse you expect uint on the other end |
| 19:40.30 | DocScrutinizer | doesn't explain why the script isn't called without --debug |
| 19:41.11 | DocScrutinizer | aah sorry, no |
| 19:41.35 | DocScrutinizer | you're *sending* uint to the notifier, well that may work |
| 19:43.12 | DocScrutinizer | org.calltimer.values.give_some_values vs * * org.calltimer.values give_some_values * |
| 19:43.26 | DocScrutinizer | I'm not sure about that either |
| 19:43.34 | DocScrutinizer | may be correct though |
| 19:44.21 | DocScrutinizer | I always found configuring correct triggers for dbus-scripts a PITA |
| 19:44.59 | DocScrutinizer | took me half a day first time |
| 19:45.07 | trumee | DocScrutinizer: modified upstart of dbus-scripts to --debug and rebooted. |
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| 19:46.20 | DocScrutinizer | trumee: also make damn sure you got no garbage files in /etc/dbus-scripts.d/ ! |
| 19:46.49 | DocScrutinizer | I once had the "funny" idea to place a script in there as well, which ended as a dbus forkbomb |
| 19:47.23 | DocScrutinizer | now I know maemo5 kernel can handle no more than 1000some processes ;-P |
| 19:48.18 | DocScrutinizer | actually dbus-scripts daemon is a bitch regarding the trigger config files |
| 19:49.15 | trumee | DocScrutinizer: ughh, even with dbus-scripts --debug --system using upstart doesnt work |
| 19:49.16 | DocScrutinizer | plus iirc it has a severe flaw in that it can't match at all on one of the several components of a dbus signal |
| 19:49.36 | DocScrutinizer | mhm |
| 19:49.47 | trumee | DocScrutinizer: however if i do a killall -9 dbus-scripts and then do a run-standalone.sh dbus-scripts --system --debug it works! |
| 19:50.07 | DocScrutinizer | so don't you think it was related more to the way you started dbus-scripts when you first used it with --debug? |
| 19:50.26 | DocScrutinizer | yes, exactly what I thought |
| 19:50.46 | DocScrutinizer | dbus-send --type=method_call --dest=org.freedesktop.Notifications /org/freedesktop/Notifications org.freedesktop.Notifications.SystemNoteDialog string:"Free minutes consumed: $5, Remaining minutes: $6" uint32:0 string:"OK" |
| 19:50.55 | DocScrutinizer | is to session bus, no? |
| 19:51.09 | DocScrutinizer | session bus of root is inexistent |
| 19:51.12 | DocScrutinizer | basically |
| 19:51.35 | DocScrutinizer | prepend that dbus-send call with run-standalone.sh |
| 19:51.36 | trumee | DocScrutinizer: yup, that could be the issue |
| 19:52.13 | trumee | or i could do dbus-send --system i think |
| 19:52.17 | DocScrutinizer | that *is* _an_ issue |
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| 19:52.41 | DocScrutinizer | I'm sure notifier msgs must go to session bus |
| 19:53.33 | DocScrutinizer | as you theoreticaly could have multiple sessions (aka Xservers) that all have their own notfier handling |
| 19:54.18 | DocScrutinizer | so sending a notifier dbus comand to system bus is rather meaningless, or at nest ambiguous |
| 19:54.51 | DocScrutinizer | prepend >>run-standalone.sh dbus-send --type=method_call --dest=org.freedesktop.Notifications /org/freedesktop/Notifications org.freedesktop.Notifications.SystemNoteDialog string:"Free minutes consumed: $5, Remaining minutes: $6" uint32:0 string:"OK"<< |
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| 19:55.51 | DocScrutinizer | I'm doing exactly the same in improved booston script and also in some postinst script |
| 19:56.10 | DocScrutinizer | it's a known "issue" |
| 19:56.31 | DocScrutinizer | and run-standalone.sh is meant for exactly this |
| 19:59.09 | trumee | DocScrutinizer: yay! you were right |
| 19:59.41 | Itschue | hello has some one a minute for me? |
| 20:00.11 | trumee | DocScrutinizer: thanks for pointing that out |
| 20:02.11 | DocScrutinizer | trumee: yw |
| 20:02.44 | DocScrutinizer | trumee: make a nice package and mention me in the thanks ;-D |
| 20:02.50 | Itschue | didnt find anrgrybirds in ham tryed to install via apt-get but it says handler silently failed |
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| 20:03.09 | trumee | DocScrutinizer: ^^, most i will do is post it in tmo :) |
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| 20:04.40 | DocScrutinizer | Itschue: hmm, that "handler silently failed" issue sounds somewhat familiar. I'm not sure what's the problem though, maybe somebody else can help |
| 20:05.04 | Venemo | sounds vaguely familiar but I forgot the solution |
| 20:05.09 | vdv | how can i tell maemo not to do update if internet connection becomes available? |
| 20:05.39 | Itschue | i find its very curious since i have the n900 i didnt find angrybirds in ham many peoples sayd it is in ham |
| 20:06.03 | Sicelo | vdv: it's on customizing maemo page on wiki .. i forget actual command |
| 20:06.08 | DocScrutinizer | maybe all those were wrong |
| 20:07.00 | DocScrutinizer | Sicelo: some gconftool --set commant to change time interval of updates to 1 year |
| 20:07.32 | DocScrutinizer | command* |
| 20:07.37 | vdv | ah, right, something like that |
| 20:07.38 | vdv | thanks |
| 20:08.11 | Itschue | the "handler silently failed" i found that could be broken package but i didnt think so |
| 20:08.34 | wazd | wooow |
| 20:08.48 | wazd | Rayman Origins engine is gonna be open-sourced! |
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| 20:09.31 | Itschue | is it possible to download angrybirds .debfile with the pc? but i didnt know from where |
| 20:09.54 | SpeedEvil | Itschue: I think the n900 got moved from ham to the ovi store |
| 20:09.57 | SpeedEvil | and then the ovi store died |
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| 20:12.59 | Itschue23 | i hate disco |
| 20:13.21 | Itschue23 | in ovi i found the angry birds level packs but didnt the game curious i think |
| 20:14.48 | Itschue23 | docscrutinizer is syslogd devel? |
| 20:16.18 | DocScrutinizer | Itschue23: http://maemo.org/packages/ |
| 20:20.07 | Itschue23 | doc is it sysklog? |
| 20:20.07 | trumee | DocScrutinizer: done, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1050432#post1050432 |
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| 20:20.29 | DocScrutinizer | Itschue23: yes, sounds familiar |
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| 20:23.37 | Itschue23 | yes it called sysklog provides sys log daemon |
| 20:23.43 | Itschue23 | sysklogd |
| 20:25.30 | DocScrutinizer | trumee: seems you forgot something elementary ;-) |
| 20:25.39 | trumee | DocScrutinizer: which is? |
| 20:25.52 | trumee | DocScrutinizer: ah! |
| 20:26.00 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
| 20:26.03 | trumee | DocScrutinizer: end time in database? |
| 20:26.08 | DocScrutinizer | yup |
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| 20:30.37 | trumee | DocScrutinizer: tx, updated |
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| 20:54.41 | javispedro | so, who to kill to get "account-plugin-google-talk" harmattan package? |
| 20:55.02 | javispedro | (and btw, no sign of generic jabber/xmpp support...) |
| 20:55.16 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: I oubt killing omebody will really help ;-) |
| 20:55.51 | DocScrutinizer | blows sharply on s|d keys |
| 20:56.56 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: and o/ :-) |
| 20:57.18 | javispedro | well, field testing was ok, save for lack of gtalk.. |
| 20:57.26 | javispedro | battery is just slightly above n900's. |
| 20:57.45 | DocScrutinizer | my field testing revealed a poor GPS, as usual - without SIM inserted |
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| 20:59.39 | DocScrutinizer | you'd think after <24h since last fix, at almost same location, under plain sky, it should get a fix a bit faster than only after 15min |
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| 21:01.25 | Atarii | is there anywhere to search to find which repo an app is in? |
| 21:01.30 | DocScrutinizer | well, the sky wasn't exacly clear blue, so maybe GPS signal wasn't the best nevertheless |
| 21:02.05 | DocScrutinizer | Atarii: I once thought I could thell from apt-cache policy |
| 21:02.20 | Atarii | from repos I don't have I mean |
| 21:02.23 | trumee | DocScrutinizer: worse than N900? |
| 21:02.24 | Atarii | like a web interface? |
| 21:02.46 | DocScrutinizer | trumee: like N900 in the early days |
| 21:03.13 | trumee | DocScrutinizer: was that a hw or sw issue? |
| 21:03.34 | DocScrutinizer | on N900? probably a cmt-firmware issue |
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| 21:04.08 | DocScrutinizer | Atarii: http://maemo.org/downloads/Maemo5/ |
| 21:04.13 | DocScrutinizer | errr |
| 21:04.14 | DocScrutinizer | nope |
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| 21:04.41 | DocScrutinizer | http://maemo.org/packages/ |
| 21:04.50 | DocScrutinizer | should help |
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| 21:05.07 | Atarii | perfect |
| 21:05.09 | Atarii | cheers :) |
| 21:05.15 | DocScrutinizer | yw |
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| 21:06.15 | trumee | DocScrutinizer: com.nokia.csd.Call.Instance Terminated gets triggered even on an incoming missed call |
| 21:06.27 | trumee | DocScrutinizer: oh well. life cannot be perfect |
| 21:07.15 | DocScrutinizer | trumee: maybe you actually need to keep track of established calls and type of call established |
| 21:07.58 | trumee | DocScrutinizer: yes, perhaps. |
| 21:08.17 | DocScrutinizer | trumee: but yeah, it gets triggered for end of *all* cmt calls |
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| 21:08.59 | DocScrutinizer | where call==session here, and session == all that makes modem act as a phone |
| 21:09.12 | holmesIII | hi, i finally cal init HAL and get the battery information |
| 21:09.13 | DocScrutinizer | except SMS I hope, and USSD |
| 21:10.15 | trumee | DocScrutinizer: yes need to try out SMS. i dont use USSD |
| 21:10.35 | DocScrutinizer | a session in call context is starting with sending the "invite" to initiate a call, or inbound "invite", and ends when call is terminated either way |
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| 21:10.48 | holmesIII | just one question: Im trying to log the battery information every second/minitus. but i found, if the screen is off, then the battery information will remain the same for a long time, but if i click the screen and make it light, then the battery information will change immediately. |
| 21:11.05 | DocScrutinizer | trumee: It'd be great if you try USSD nevertheless |
| 21:11.08 | holmesIII | can anybody tell me why? |
| 21:11.27 | trumee | DocScrutinizer: never used it before, give me a command? |
| 21:11.29 | DocScrutinizer | trumee: it's not really hard to send a *111# |
| 21:11.48 | DocScrutinizer | or *555# |
| 21:12.18 | trumee | ok, i get a Request Not completed + Popup doesnt appear |
| 21:12.24 | holmesII | hi, Docscrutinizer, help!! |
| 21:12.25 | trumee | DocScrutinizer: so all good i suppose |
| 21:12.31 | DocScrutinizer | you'll receive an error reply usually, but that's a rather valid USSD anyway |
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| 21:13.57 | vdv | if i do qchroot image dir, some mounts are done behind the scene, those mounts are not undo if i leave chroot, isn't there any command to "cleanup" after leaving chroot? |
| 21:14.02 | DocScrutinizer | holmesII: I told you that your plans are useless, battery info doesn't change like 1/second, not even once per minute |
| 21:15.13 | holmesII | i know, it won't change so quick. I just want to know, if i get the battery info from HAL. is that the most direct information I can get? |
| 21:15.14 | DocScrutinizer | this is done for saving battery, as you don't want to run CPU all the time to monitor how battery gets eaten by monitoring battery - that's *nonsense* |
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| 21:17.31 | DocScrutinizer | holmesII: sorry, I really can't answer your extremely generic questions - I have no idea what you want to do, what you finally want to achieve. There's a lot of info at various rates, and each of them has a different meaning. Asking for "reading out battery info the fastest possible way" just sounds like artificial nonsense to me |
| 21:18.53 | holmesII | i don't want to read the battery in a fast way. I just want to log the info, maybe 1 second a time, maybe 1 minute, maybe 1 hour a time. it doesn't matter how fast i log it. |
| 21:18.59 | DocScrutinizer | I'm not asking "how can I determine my body size 10 times per second?" - dunno if that's a good example |
| 21:20.20 | holmesII | the thing isi want to confirm if i just run my logger program and leave the phone there. the screen will shut off the light few seconds later. I just wonder, in that case, my programm running in the background will get the current battery capacity exactly? |
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| 21:22.14 | DocScrutinizer | holmesII: well there's bme, the battery management entity. The info in hal about charge state is origin bme. bme is known to be a sucker and often lie about battery capacity, and probably it doesn't update hal capacity when there are "certain conditions" that make it likely nobody is interested in actual values. locked screen being one of those "certain conditions" |
| 21:22.15 | holmesII | right now, i am running my logger program and log the battery capacity every second, i also print out the result in terminal. i connect it by SSH. and see the current capacity stay in 529mha for a very long time. |
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| 21:22.47 | DocScrutinizer | yes, known "problem" with bme |
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| 21:23.40 | holmesII | i got it. that's why now i click the screen and the battery capacity is turn to 513 |
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| 21:23.56 | DocScrutinizer | check out this script: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/jrbme/bq27200 |
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| 21:24.40 | holmesII | what does that script for? |
| 21:24.53 | DocScrutinizer | it directly reads out the hardware, and sometimes the charge percentage isn't all that bad - sometimes it's off though esp when CI=1 |
| 21:25.28 | DocScrutinizer | what always is correct though are the values for voltage of cell, and current in/out of cell |
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| 21:25.48 | holmesII | yes, i need the current in/out information |
| 21:25.59 | DocScrutinizer | you'll need i2ctools package for that |
| 21:26.15 | trumee | wonders why pixelpipe was pulled out of ovi store. |
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| 21:26.30 | DocScrutinizer | pr0n? |
| 21:26.52 | trumee | it was a useful sharing plugin |
| 21:27.32 | DocScrutinizer | holmesII: even this script doesn't make any sense to run more frequently than every 5s, as that's the window raster of the hw probing |
| 21:28.05 | DocScrutinizer | you can run it with a parameter that gives a loop time in seconds |
| 21:28.15 | DocScrutinizer | like bq27200.sh 30 |
| 21:28.25 | DocScrutinizer | for one reading every 30s |
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| 21:28.58 | holmesII | i made it chmod 777 bq27200.sh |
| 21:29.05 | holmesII | however, i can't run it in my N900 |
| 21:29.09 | DocScrutinizer | if you run it every 5s, you basically cover the full time 100%, as it shows the average values for the last completed 5.12s window |
| 21:29.32 | holmesII | it said /bin/sh: can't open |
| 21:29.43 | DocScrutinizer | holmesII: toldya you need i2ctools package installed |
| 21:29.47 | DocScrutinizer | err |
| 21:30.23 | holmesII | can't find it when i try apt-get install i2ctools |
| 21:30.54 | DocScrutinizer | maybe you need to use full pathname to script, place it in a location that your $PATH variable lists as valid location for executables, or add the dir where you placed it to $PATH |
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| 21:31.27 | DocScrutinizer | i2ctools is in extras-devel repo afaik |
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| 21:32.46 | Sicelo | ~seen robbiethe1st |
| 21:33.04 | infobot | robbiethe1st <~robbiethe@71-34-223-199.spkn.qwest.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 3d 9h 49m 42s ago, saying: 'Facebook = evil'. |
| 21:33.04 | DocScrutinizer | http://maemo.org/packages/ helps a lot |
| 21:33.04 | holmesII | well, if i keep the screen light on, can i get the battery up-to-date information |
| 21:34.07 | DocScrutinizer | http://maemo.org/packages/search/?org_maemo_packages_search[1][property]=name&org_maemo_packages_search[1][constraint]=LIKE&org_maemo_packages_search[1][value]=i2c&org_maemo_packages_search[2][property]=title&org_maemo_packages_search[2][constraint]=LIKE&org_maemo_packages_search[2][value]=same |
| 21:35.01 | DocScrutinizer | holmesII: don't you think this is an exceptionally silly question? |
| 21:35.21 | holmesII | i really don't know. i am so sorry. |
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| 21:36.58 | DocScrutinizer | what's the use in monitoring battery when you keep screen on which is knows to be the hugest power-hog after 3G-data and will eat battery in max 6h. I don't need to monitor battery to tell you it won't last any longer than 6h when you keep screen backlight on |
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| 21:38.00 | DocScrutinizer | so we again are at the point where I completely fail to understand WHY you are doing all this |
| 21:38.13 | DocScrutinizer | it makes no sense to me |
| 21:38.38 | holmesII | i have another program and i need to know how fast that program consume the battery. |
| 21:38.51 | holmesII | make a compare |
| 21:39.00 | DocScrutinizer | and I have a hard time giving advice for sth that makes no sense, just as I can't decide what *is* a good advice when I don't know what's the purpose |
| 21:39.32 | holmesII | that's why i need to write a logger |
| 21:40.08 | DocScrutinizer | ok, you want to know how much power $tandom-acme-program is using? use the script I gave you, it's the best for that purpose |
| 21:41.00 | Sicelo | thanks for that link DocScrutinizer, saved me from making a donkey of myself |
| 21:41.42 | DocScrutinizer | check this http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Power_Consumption and that http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_software_power_management#Powerscript |
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| 21:42.20 | DocScrutinizer | Sicelo: which link? |
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| 21:44.51 | Sicelo | package search.. i was needing /lib/libac1.s0.1 and /lib/libattr.so.1.1.0 for backupmenu, hence the highlighting to robbiethe1st |
| 21:44.59 | holmesII | thank you so much! If you got my idea early, you could saved me few days ago. |
| 21:46.13 | DocScrutinizer | holmesII: it's been you who was kinda non-verbous about your idea. You always asked about details without mentioning what you are doing. This is prone to fail |
| 21:46.26 | DocScrutinizer | a good read for next weekend: |
| 21:46.30 | DocScrutinizer | ~question |
| 21:46.30 | infobot | i heard question is If you have a question and want people to give useful answers, make sure you have read this first: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
| 21:46.38 | hiemanshu | 'lo |
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| 22:11.21 | holmesII | i can run http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_software_power_management#Powerscript now, but i can't run http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/jrbme/bq27200, it said /bin/sh can't open |
| 22:11.28 | holmesII | i already installed i2ctools |
| 22:12.40 | DocScrutinizer | forget my script at user:joerg, the simplified script at http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_software_power_management#Powerscript is perfect for your purpose |
| 22:20.12 | holmesII | yes. thanks. please let me know what's the meaning of these three? NAC CACD CACT |
| 22:20.55 | holmesII | theirs resutls seem the same. but i don't know what's that. |
| 22:21.43 | holmesII | the unit is mhA, those three report the same number. but they are not the same of battery.reporting.current |
| 22:23.00 | javispedro | thank god the nfs module is whitelisted by aegis |
| 22:23.54 | holmesII | i will come back later. please let me know the meaning of NAC CACD CACT and the relathionship between those three and battery.reporting.current . Thanks!! |
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| 23:42.31 | jonwil | bah, still cant figure out how to get GDB to attach to hildon-desktop :( |
| 23:43.29 | javispedro | you will see two hildon-desktop processes |
| 23:43.32 | javispedro | one is the launcher stub |
| 23:43.35 | javispedro | use the second one |
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| 23:52.45 | jonwil | thanks, that seems to work |
| 23:54.29 | javispedro | lls |
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| 23:59.24 | jonwil | god GDB sucks for debugging a shared library loaded with dlopen() |
| 23:59.37 | javispedro | technically it should work out of the box |
| 23:59.39 | jonwil | Its too hard to find out where in memory the library ended up :( |