| 00:00.11 | SpeedEvil | Where is that? |
| 00:02.02 | sid_ | depressing, will write to nokia24 tomorrow. where is what= |
| 00:02.04 | sid_ | ? |
| 00:03.16 | SpeedEvil | ponders offering a n900 repair service. |
| 00:04.15 | SpeedEvil | Oh - I read through the thread - maybe indeed |
| 00:04.27 | SpeedEvil | I fyou mod the thing |
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| 00:06.26 | sid_ | good night |
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| 01:03.38 | SpeedEvil | Can you rotate the RDA phone image? |
| 01:03.56 | SpeedEvil | Or rather - set the phone into landscape mode |
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| 01:27.36 | Termana | SpeedEvil, not with the N950 |
| 01:27.46 | Termana | (n950 RDA) |
| 01:28.38 | SpeedEvil | k |
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| 02:16.45 | holmesII | anybody here? |
| 02:17.17 | cehteh | about 337 people |
| 02:18.08 | holmesII | yes. is there anybody can help me to figure out how to get the battery charge level (mhA) inforamtion? Simple source code would be hlepful |
| 02:20.23 | cehteh | lshal | grep bat ... or even better the bq27200.sh script found on TMO |
| 02:20.45 | holmesII | im using N900. |
| 02:20.52 | holmesII | ok. TMO? |
| 02:21.47 | holmesII | i need to program (C/c++) to gain the information. |
| 02:21.57 | holmesII | os lshal is not good for me. |
| 02:24.44 | cehteh | there is libhal and some api you can query |
| 02:24.59 | cehteh | but stock charging (bme) is somewhat borked |
| 02:25.30 | holmesII | borked??? |
| 02:26.02 | cehteh | it lies to you and the updates while charging are wrong iirc |
| 02:26.21 | cehteh | well there are a lot battery tools, get the sources and look |
| 02:26.59 | cehteh | the bq27*.sh script does direct i2c queries to the fuel gauge chip, but nokia missed to implement that properly in bme |
| 02:27.05 | cehteh | and bme isnt open source |
| 02:27.06 | holmesII | i just found one or two sources that are not running correct on my N900 |
| 02:28.16 | cehteh | what exactly do you want to do? |
| 02:28.54 | holmesII | i want to read the battery charge level periodically |
| 02:29.17 | cehteh | for what? |
| 02:29.21 | cehteh | and how often? |
| 02:30.15 | holmesII | to look at how quick the battery goes on. how often? 0.5 seconds or 1 second or maybe millionseconds. |
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| 02:31.14 | cehteh | heh .. you know how much alone that would drain the battery? |
| 02:31.33 | cehteh | and what do you mean by 'battery goes on' |
| 02:32.09 | cehteh | battery graph does a decent job in logging battery |
| 02:32.25 | holmesII | i will run my own program and to see how quick the battery runs out. |
| 02:32.41 | holmesII | yes, but it doesn't have source code. |
| 02:32.54 | cehteh | if you wake the cpu that often then the battery will be empty in 3 hours :P |
| 02:32.56 | holmesII | and i need to draw my own figure |
| 02:33.27 | cehteh | the battery only last that long because programs must be written not to wake the cpu frquently |
| 02:34.43 | holmesII | well, can i ask you one question? if i wrote a program to call lshal | grep ... does it wake up the CPU? |
| 02:35.05 | holmesII | or if i wrote a program to call bme/ libhal, does it wake up the CPU? |
| 02:35.07 | cehteh | anything you run on the cpu wakes it |
| 02:35.29 | cehteh | batterygraph and other tools just do that infrequently .. every 30 seconds or so |
| 02:36.12 | holmesII | i see. actually my another program will use the wifi or so very frequently |
| 02:36.15 | cehteh | well and you can subscribe notifications from dbus to waken only on some status changes |
| 02:36.30 | holmesII | that's why i need to log the battery's infor |
| 02:36.45 | cehteh | there is a battery low warning message for example .. but iirc there are no notifcations about other charge levels unfortunally |
| 02:37.13 | cehteh | batterygraph is open source iirc |
| 02:37.22 | cehteh | take a look at that |
| 02:37.27 | cehteh | or use libhal directly |
| 02:37.28 | holmesII | really? can you support me the link? |
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| 02:37.52 | holmesII | yes, i want to use libhal. but i have no idea about it . i need some simple code for study |
| 02:38.00 | cehteh | garage.maemo.org maybe .. search by yourself |
| 02:38.14 | cehteh | heh .. its python i think so you always get the source |
| 02:38.24 | cehteh | google |
| 02:38.37 | holmesII | i know there is program wrotten by python. and i got the source code. |
| 02:38.44 | holmesII | but i want to learn by c/c++ |
| 02:39.01 | jonwil | Look in the CSSU |
| 02:39.16 | jonwil | Someone cloned the battery status bar widget and made it better |
| 02:39.22 | cehteh | even if its python the libhal api for c would be similar |
| 02:39.43 | jonwil | http://gitorious.org/community-ssu/status-area-applet-battery |
| 02:40.00 | jonwil | Thats got C code that does battery status monitoring |
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| 02:44.26 | holmesII | yes. i got it. but it did for widget and i am confused about that code. i don't need to do the widget. |
| 02:44.46 | holmesII | but i just got the batterygraph source code. i think that's should be enough for me. |
| 02:44.51 | holmesII | thank you guys!! |
| 02:45.00 | cehteh | heh .. do you want to program something in C or do you want some finished code? |
| 02:45.22 | holmesII | both are good for me. |
| 02:45.40 | holmesII | but if the finished code i can use, i juse need to make changes in there. |
| 02:45.45 | holmesII | that's should be enough. |
| 02:46.04 | holmesII | otherwise i need to program on it, then i have to totally understand the whole stuff on libhal. |
| 02:49.35 | cehteh | well remember that your measurement drains battery too ... if you only need that for testing then you prolly put the battery querying directly in your wifi using app (as infrequently as possible) when it is running anyways, then the cpu is already awake that wont cost extra |
| 02:49.45 | holmesII | do you know which way will consume more battery? 1. program using libhal 2. call command lshal |
| 02:50.16 | cehteh | like in a event loop, check if some time elapsed since the last event (few seconds at least) and do the measuremant before going idle again |
| 02:50.33 | cehteh | lshal certainly mor because it forks of a shell |
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| 02:53.04 | cehteh | when your program consumes too much battery you should check why .. busy loops, polling etc ... install 'powertop' to find out |
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| 02:53.29 | holmesII | i see. |
| 02:54.00 | holmesII | btw, the source code i downloaded batterygraph, there is no makefile |
| 02:55.13 | cehteh | setup.py? |
| 02:55.14 | holmesII | and it seems a vs project. how can i debug it in windows? |
| 02:55.18 | holmesII | no setup.py |
| 02:55.19 | cehteh | huh? |
| 02:55.26 | cehteh | no idea :) |
| 02:55.38 | cehteh | i never looked at its source |
| 02:55.39 | holmesII | looks like a vs project. because there is sln and vcxproj |
| 02:55.55 | cehteh | well people can use VS for other projects too |
| 02:56.59 | holmesII | i see. however, it must be very hard for the author to debug maemo program in VS. |
| 02:57.12 | holmesII | a lot of lib he need to included. |
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| 02:58.12 | pauly | hi |
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| 03:10.24 | cehteh | holmesII: huh? |
| 03:10.34 | cehteh | just using VS as editor perhaps? |
| 03:10.45 | holmesII | i don't know. i am check the ESBOX. |
| 03:11.04 | holmesII | maybe there are same sln and vcsproj files. |
| 03:12.16 | cehteh | you possibly need to test it on the real device the sdk has no BME, no battery and so on |
| 03:13.23 | holmesII | doesn't esbox has those stuffs? |
| 03:13.52 | hiemanshu | eh, nope |
| 03:14.37 | cehteh | it is mostly a build environment, not a test environment |
| 03:14.51 | holmesII | hmmm. |
| 03:15.40 | cehteh | that more than just building works there is more a coincidence |
| 03:15.50 | holmesII | i'd like to get the batterygraph source code. |
| 03:16.02 | cehteh | didnt you saied you have it? |
| 03:16.03 | holmesII | the author said he did it in ecbox. |
| 03:16.29 | holmesII | i did downloaded one, but i suspect it's not the batterygraph i want. |
| 03:16.38 | holmesII | i want this http://maemo.jeroenwitteman.com/BatteryGraph/manual.php |
| 03:18.32 | cehteh | there is a download section |
| 03:18.39 | cehteh | http://maemo.jeroenwitteman.com/BatteryGraph/batterygraph_0.3.2_armel.deb |
| 03:20.26 | cehteh | oh its not python |
| 03:21.00 | holmesII | the deb file is the installation file. |
| 03:21.06 | holmesII | i need the source code. |
| 03:21.08 | cehteh | it also contains the packages |
| 03:21.16 | cehteh | err .. programs |
| 03:21.24 | cehteh | so if it would be python then the source as well |
| 03:21.57 | cehteh | back to the CSSU source :) |
| 03:22.37 | cehteh | hey that all you need and quite simple |
| 03:22.42 | cehteh | showing how to use hal |
| 03:23.55 | holmesII | the deb package only contains the installation binary files. no source code. |
| 03:24.00 | holmesII | i will check CSSU source right now. |
| 03:24.46 | cehteh | i just cloned the git and looked |
| 03:24.57 | cehteh | looks exactly as you need |
| 03:25.33 | cehteh | http://gitorious.org/community-ssu/status-area-applet-battery/blobs/master/src/status-area-applet-battery.c |
| 03:25.41 | cehteh | or take a look online |
| 03:25.59 | holmesII | i did download this one before. but i can't compile it. |
| 03:26.03 | holmesII | any idea? |
| 03:26.33 | cehteh | i dont care for compiling it .. but looks to me as it is a part which gets integrated in the CSSU infrastructure and is not standalone |
| 03:27.13 | cehteh | thow out all hildon stuff make it printf() the current value and make a selfstanding console app for yourself first .. until you understand how to do that |
| 03:27.49 | cehteh | then you make it a library you can link to your app and as i saied before you gather statistics in debug builds of your app when your app is already awake |
| 03:28.10 | cehteh | (in debug builds only!) |
| 03:28.34 | cehteh | did you packaged things for maemo before? |
| 03:29.02 | holmesII | no. |
| 03:29.07 | cehteh | neither :P |
| 03:29.16 | holmesII | i just got my N900 yesterday. |
| 03:29.21 | cehteh | ok |
| 03:29.38 | holmesII | so i am totally newbi to this area |
| 03:29.57 | cehteh | i just searching a victim^Wvolunteer to package my debugging lib :P |
| 03:30.15 | cehteh | well i dont really care but if someone could do that it would be nice |
| 03:34.16 | holmesII | i can't figure it out which part of codes is what i need. |
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| 03:37.23 | cehteh | just starting with C/C++? |
| 03:37.44 | holmesII | yes. |
| 03:37.55 | cehteh | maybe pick something easier .. and get a good book |
| 03:38.34 | cehteh | 133 |
| 03:38.34 | cehteh | static void |
| 03:38.34 | cehteh | 134 |
| 03:38.34 | cehteh | battery_status_plugin_get_values (BatteryStatusAreaItem *plugin) |
| 03:38.54 | cehteh | looks like the querying function .. but its still tied to the applet stuff needs to be rewritten |
| 03:39.18 | cehteh | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:41.14 | holmesII | yes, like this, BatteryStatusAreaItem, what is that. |
| 03:41.16 | holmesII | module name? |
| 03:41.21 | holmesII | or come from some lib? |
| 03:41.57 | cehteh | prolly a gobject for the plugin |
| 03:41.58 | holmesII | well. forget it. i am doing my asp.net website now and hopefully i can finish it before i leave |
| 03:42.08 | cehteh | you only need this libhal call wrapped up |
| 03:42.14 | cehteh | lol |
| 03:42.38 | holmesII | yes |
| 03:42.42 | holmesII | keep in touch. |
| 03:42.45 | holmesII | be help |
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| 06:39.39 | dan_ | guys i have "dummy network |
| 06:39.49 | dan_ | hey guys , i have |
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| 06:41.12 | dan_ | guys i have "dummy network" visible in my network list , but it does not appear when i get to select prefered internet connection. how do i get it to show up in the internet connection list ? |
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| 06:56.21 | dan_ | guys i have "dummy network" visible in my network list , but it does not appear when i get to select prefered internet connection. how do i get it to show up in the internet connection list when USB networking ? |
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| 07:02.01 | ruskie | dan_, we heard you the first time ;) when people wake up they'll be able to help |
| 07:02.32 | hiemanshu | hits the F5 again |
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| 07:09.08 | khertan | load gmail and push f5 key |
| 07:09.33 | khertan | push again f5 key while grumphying about QML ... |
| 07:09.44 | ruskie | rofl |
| 07:11.11 | hiemanshu | khertan: got launchpad right? |
| 07:11.32 | khertan | hiemanshu, yep |
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| 07:12.07 | hiemanshu | khertan: so I hope to have my N950 order email by today :D |
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| 07:13.22 | khertan | :) |
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| 07:24.10 | Venemo_N900 | hm! |
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| 07:31.00 | Venemo_N900 | on my Nokia Developer page, the "Launchpad for individuals" are listed in "My Programs" |
| 07:31.16 | Venemo_N900 | I haven't received an e-mail from them though |
| 07:31.20 | Termana | Venemo_N900, you don't |
| 07:31.29 | Venemo_N900 | how do I get my N950 from there? |
| 07:31.48 | Termana | Venemo_N900, you don't until you get the email that says you have an N900 waiting for you and then you go to |
| 07:31.52 | Termana | ~n900order |
| 07:31.57 | Termana | damn bot |
| 07:31.59 | Venemo_N900 | N900? |
| 07:32.03 | Termana | oh |
| 07:32.09 | Termana | ~n950order |
| 07:32.09 | infobot | somebody said n950order was https://forumnokia.secure.force.com/apex/ProductDetailByName?productName=Nokia+N950 and wait for "internal error" changing to something wonderful eventually :-) |
| 07:32.16 | Termana | that link ^^ |
| 07:32.17 | MySpaez | at least the n900 is almost as good as the n950 |
| 07:32.38 | disse | heyho, I've installed OMWeather on my n900 and in germany my town is 2 times there. How can I find out now, which is the right one? |
| 07:32.56 | hiemanshu | Venemo_N900: got email? |
| 07:32.58 | MySpaez | try both |
| 07:33.02 | disse | and then? |
| 07:33.13 | Venemo_N900 | hiemanshu, nope. and you? |
| 07:33.16 | MySpaez | Select the one that works |
| 07:33.21 | disse | is there anywhere a zip code, in a config file or something like that |
| 07:33.25 | hiemanshu | Venemo_N900: nope, but hope to have mine today |
| 07:33.29 | disse | both are working |
| 07:33.39 | disse | my town name is two times in germany |
| 07:33.51 | MySpaez | file a bug report then |
| 07:34.02 | robbiethe1st | MySpaez: "almost" nothing, it can be /better/... at least for now., Remember, it's possible to OC it to 1.15ghz, whereas the N950 has no OC ability yet. |
| 07:34.15 | robbiethe1st | and with an OS designed for 600mhz... |
| 07:34.17 | gomiam | Termana: "Login to Nokia Developer" :P |
| 07:34.40 | DocScrutinizer | mooo |
| 07:34.42 | hiemanshu | Venemo_N900: I wrote an xdotool script, even 5 mins, auto opens the chromium windows in another workspace and hit refresh :P |
| 07:34.53 | gomiam | DocScrutinizer: baaaah |
| 07:35.05 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: whats the status on yours? |
| 07:35.05 | MySpaez | Robbie so we have reports of OC'd N900s dying yet? |
| 07:35.14 | DocScrutinizer | won the fight with DHL |
| 07:35.14 | MySpaez | Do we |
| 07:35.30 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: and? |
| 07:35.31 | DocScrutinizer | unboxing this second |
| 07:35.34 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: WOW |
| 07:35.37 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: thats fast |
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| 07:36.02 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: pics :D |
| 07:36.03 | Venemo_N900 | hiemanshu, hehh :) |
| 07:36.11 | robbiethe1st | I've heard of at max two that could be considered to have died that way... but nothing clear-cut, really. No tens-of-people with fried chips, etc. |
| 07:36.15 | Venemo_N900 | DocScrutinizer, pics or it didn't happen |
| 07:36.15 | Termana | DocScrutinizer, yello |
| 07:36.18 | hiemanshu | Venemo_N900: well seeing the pattern, I hope to have it today |
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| 07:36.46 | Venemo_N900 | hiemanshu, what is the pattern? |
| 07:37.01 | hiemanshu | Venemo_N900: random luck :D |
| 07:37.05 | Termana | Holey shite - I'm eating a Peri Peri Zinger Burger from KFC. This thing is REALLY hot heh :p |
| 07:37.24 | DocScrutinizer | meh |
| 07:37.32 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: ? |
| 07:37.39 | DocScrutinizer | pics |
| 07:37.43 | hiemanshu | ah |
| 07:37.44 | hiemanshu | send us some |
| 07:37.56 | DocScrutinizer | time for 12648430 â |
| 07:38.03 | Venemo_N900 | what is that? |
| 07:38.09 | hiemanshu | coffee |
| 07:38.11 | hiemanshu | :P |
| 07:38.32 | Venemo_N900 | ah |
| 07:38.48 | Venemo_N900 | I see a funny non-appearing utf8 character |
| 07:39.05 | hiemanshu | thats the coffee char :P |
| 07:39.13 | hiemanshu | well looks like it |
| 07:39.28 | Venemo_N900 | doesn't appear for me. |
| 07:39.34 | Venemo_N900 | but I believe you |
| 07:39.37 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer in 2 hours: "Unboxing is old school, I'm unaluminuming it" |
| 07:39.50 | MySpaez | lol |
| 07:39.53 | Venemo_N900 | so... bottomline: no email = no N950 |
| 07:39.58 | Venemo_N900 | ? |
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| 07:40.23 | hiemanshu | Venemo_N900: yes |
| 07:40.26 | Venemo_N900 | hey MohammadAG, any news on yours yet? |
| 07:41.00 | MohammadAG | it's still sun tanning Venemo_N900 |
| 07:41.23 | Venemo_N900 | mhm |
| 07:41.36 | Venemo_N900 | oh btw, my laptop's HDD went nuts |
| 07:42.14 | MohammadAG | cool, mine went fishing :P |
| 07:42.16 | Venemo_N900 | I got a BIOS message asking me to replace it (reported by SMART, whatever it is) |
| 07:42.18 | hiemanshu | Venemo_N900: stop molesting your laptop :P |
| 07:42.35 | MohammadAG | oh that's nothing |
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| 07:42.41 | MohammadAG | it'll die |
| 07:42.45 | MohammadAG | eventually |
| 07:42.46 | Corsac | Venemo_N900: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S.M.A.R.T. |
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| 07:42.52 | MohammadAG | you just don't know when |
| 07:43.09 | Corsac | MohammadAG: that's the case for every hard drive though |
| 07:43.11 | hiemanshu | I have a MBP is my shelf, lying around in bits and pieces :P |
| 07:43.13 | Corsac | or any hardware, for that matter :) |
| 07:43.25 | Venemo_N900 | actually, F15's hdd manager tool also told me this, but ignored that |
| 07:43.40 | MohammadAG | F15's tool talks to smart |
| 07:43.51 | hiemanshu | Venemo_N900: lol, replace it before you lose data |
| 07:43.53 | Venemo_N900 | yeah, that it said |
| 07:43.55 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: yes, smartctl |
| 07:43.58 | Corsac | ignoring smart errors is usually not smart |
| 07:44.01 | Venemo_N900 | anyway, I'd prefer a non-dying one for the next couple of weeks |
| 07:44.18 | Venemo_N900 | so I'll go to a shop today and get one |
| 07:44.38 | hiemanshu | I need to get a new laptop |
| 07:44.42 | hiemanshu | is waiting for gsoc monies |
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| 07:45.37 | DocScrutinizer | check my ovi account for pics |
| 07:45.47 | DocScrutinizer | now COFFEE! |
| 07:45.53 | hiemanshu | link |
| 07:45.53 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, fuck unboxing |
| 07:46.00 | MohammadAG | get a torx and unscrew that thing! |
| 07:46.03 | MohammadAG | :P |
| 07:46.13 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: the holes of the box are too big :P |
| 07:46.27 | MySpaez | well in not developing for qt/meego so i dont deserve one |
| 07:46.33 | MySpaez | I hope docs is |
| 07:46.33 | Venemo_N900 | DocScrutinizer, link? |
| 07:46.47 | MohammadAG | hiemanshu, perv :P |
| 07:47.06 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: you spoke about fucking it, I didn't |
| 07:47.10 | Venemo_N900 | hiemanshu, I need a new laptop too... do you know any good ones? |
| 07:47.16 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer's doing hostmode |
| 07:47.25 | hiemanshu | Venemo_N900: thinkpad or MBP, everything else I have used it shit |
| 07:47.34 | hiemanshu | Venemo_N900: I am getting a MBP for meself |
| 07:47.38 | Venemo_N900 | hiemanshu, MBP? |
| 07:47.45 | hiemanshu | Venemo_N900: MacBook Pro |
| 07:47.52 | Venemo_N900 | YUCK! |
| 07:48.02 | MohammadAG | HPs are great |
| 07:48.24 | MohammadAG | not sure about the toucpad on new ones though |
| 07:48.30 | hiemanshu | lol HP |
| 07:48.32 | Corsac | touchpads suck anyway |
| 07:48.41 | Venemo_N900 | I don't care about touchpad |
| 07:48.50 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: I screwed the HP manager at the service center once |
| 07:48.51 | MohammadAG | well, they suck more when the buttons are the same touch panel |
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| 07:49.01 | Venemo_N900 | agreed |
| 07:49.02 | MohammadAG | meaning you can't click while moving the mouse |
| 07:49.02 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: 14 days replacement done in 6 hours |
| 07:49.14 | MohammadAG | hiemanshu, screwed? perv! |
| 07:49.31 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: not that kind of screwing :P |
| 07:50.07 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: she was too old for that :P |
| 07:50.13 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 07:51.01 | Venemo_N900 | xD |
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| 07:52.26 | khertan | is hate more and more qml ... every example i found ve problem or require fucking component available only on one plateform |
| 07:52.29 | khertan | that sucks ! |
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| 07:52.32 | DocScrutinizer | http://share.ovi.com/media/joerg900.public/joerg900.10131?sort=0 and -<-<newer |
| 07:53.12 | MohammadAG | khertan, components are usually cross platform |
| 07:53.19 | MohammadAG | if they only deal with the UI |
| 07:53.26 | Ken-Young | Has anyone who applied for the "Nokia Developer Launchapad" as part of the process for getting an N9 DevKit received a reply yet? |
| 07:53.46 | Venemo_N900 | I simply want a ~15" laptop with at least a Core i5 and a usable video card (requirement is the ability to play SC2, ATI=nothanks), and good Linux support. which manufacturer/model should I look at? |
| 07:53.48 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: nice |
| 07:53.48 | khertan | MohammadAG, they aren't ... harmattan component are a .so so not really portable ... |
| 07:54.05 | hiemanshu | Venemo_N900: Thinkpad or Dell Vostro |
| 07:54.07 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 07:54.12 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: pong |
| 07:54.24 | sandst1 | Venemo_N900: Buy a MacBookPro and stuff Ubuntu into it? |
| 07:54.26 | hiemanshu | Jaffa: morning you lucky arse :P |
| 07:54.28 | khertan | MohammadAG, meego one depends on meego things ... so not available for fremantle |
| 07:54.41 | hiemanshu | khertan: write in pure QML? |
| 07:55.00 | sandst1 | Venemo_N900: or <a distro of your choice> |
| 07:55.02 | Venemo_N900 | sandst1, for the price of a macbook pro, I can buy two other laptops. |
| 07:55.04 | MohammadAG | khertan, meego components? you can get them on fremantle |
| 07:55.04 | hiemanshu | anyways I have to go out now |
| 07:55.06 | hiemanshu | is out |
| 07:55.08 | khertan | hiemanshu, write in something that will work on maemo, meego and harmattan |
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| 07:55.11 | MohammadAG | and use Qt components |
| 07:55.17 | Corsac | DocScrutinizer: do you have another camera to make side-by-side n9{0,5}0 comparison? |
| 07:55.22 | khertan | MohammadAG, really ? |
| 07:55.25 | MohammadAG | they're cross platform |
| 07:55.29 | sandst1 | Venemo_N900: Yeap, true. |
| 07:55.42 | khertan | MohammadAG, where are them ? |
| 07:55.54 | Venemo_N900 | sandst1, I also hate Apple's "ecosystem", so I don't wanna support them with money |
| 07:55.57 | MohammadAG | qt components? not sure, alterego or achipa would know |
| 07:57.06 | Jaffa | hiemanshu: Yeah, but I've filled in a few more issues and things to be aware of on http://wiki.meego.com/Migrating_from_N900_to_N950 |
| 07:57.13 | khertan | MohammadAG, pfff ... it s not a framework ... it s puzzle |
| 07:57.28 | Jaffa | hiemanshu: Annoyances of the day: no way of archiving email in Gmail; maps' voice files play in all-songs-shuffle. |
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| 07:57.50 | Corsac | Jaffa: can it sync non-google caldav? |
| 07:57.52 | sandst1 | Venemo_N900: indeed. But luckily the market is full of decently-priced core i7 laptops |
| 07:57.57 | robbiethe1st | Jaffa: create a folder named archive? Or something? |
| 07:58.08 | hiemanshu | Jaffa: well, either ways, lucky arse |
| 07:58.13 | hiemanshu | is out for real now |
| 07:59.59 | khertan | will do his now qml component lib ... and fuck da plateform integration |
| 08:00.09 | Venemo_N900 | sandst1, I didn't find a single one that looks good and has a fair price at the same time |
| 08:00.18 | macmaN | Jaffa: the way i got n900 to ignore gpodder etc was to exclude those dir in tracer.cfg or .ini or whatever it was |
| 08:00.21 | macmaN | tracker* |
| 08:00.35 | macmaN | im talking about media player |
| 08:00.59 | macmaN | n950 also uses tracker or now |
| 08:01.01 | macmaN | no* |
| 08:01.12 | sandst1 | Venemo_N900: whoops, meant to write core i5 laptops :) |
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| 08:02.43 | macmaN | samsung series 9 is just about all there is, aside from dell latitude 13 |
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| 08:02.50 | macmaN | looking for the same thing |
| 08:03.04 | macmaN | trying to stay way from the MBA triangle-ufo shape |
| 08:03.06 | Venemo_N900 | sandst1, sure, same stands true for i5 |
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| 08:04.45 | Jaffa | Corsac: No idea, not got one to try |
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| 08:04.58 | Jaffa | macmaN: Yeah, I'll probably go investigate that (ta) |
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| 08:05.42 | thresh | hey guys, does anyone know if every micro USB connector is compatible with n900? I torn mine off, and the service (not official, heh) replaced it |
| 08:05.47 | thresh | but it doesnt seem to charge |
| 08:06.12 | Corsac | DocScrutinizer: hmhm, quite larger indeed |
| 08:06.13 | sandst1 | Venemo_N900: what would be a decent price..? |
| 08:07.02 | sandst1 | Venemo_N900: i guess priceof(MBP)/2 ?: ) |
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| 08:08.17 | Venemo_N900 | sandst1, dunno. I guess below ~$1000 or ~â¬700 |
| 08:09.03 | Venemo_N900 | DocScrutinizer, thx for the pics! N950 is real big |
| 08:09.34 | macmaN | Venemo_N900: samsung s9 11,6" fits there.. |
| 08:09.40 | Venemo_N900 | sandst1, but more to my liking would be below 800 |
| 08:09.49 | sandst1 | Venemo_N900: e.g. Samsung RV511 doesn't look too bad http://www.amazon.co.uk/Samsung-RV511-notebook-2-66GHz-Premium/dp/B004NSUG0E |
| 08:09.51 | Venemo_N900 | macmaN, wut? that is not 15". |
| 08:09.53 | macmaN | but i guess a bunch of ultrathins are coming this here |
| 08:09.57 | macmaN | ahhh, 15" :) |
| 08:10.11 | macmaN | ok i remember seeing an ultrathin 15 by someone |
| 08:10.14 | macmaN | cant remember who |
| 08:10.24 | Venemo_N900 | I don't care about thinness or weight, rather battery life and performance |
| 08:10.31 | achipa | guys |
| 08:10.55 | macmaN | ok. there's plenty of brick selection around for that then. |
| 08:11.22 | Venemo_N900 | problem is that most of them are very ugly and have an uncomfortable keyboard |
| 08:11.45 | achipa | MohammadAG: khertan: a strictly personal opinion - components solve the cross-platform problem by making it easy, quickly do throwaway UIs, not to make the one giant monolithic UI that runs equally well on all platforms |
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| 08:12.33 | achipa | I know this goes against your experience and traiing and everything, but that's the current way to least pain |
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| 08:14.33 | MySpaez | i hope in 2012 a n900 replacement comes |
| 08:15.32 | Venemo_N900 | heh |
| 08:15.47 | khertan | achipa, how can you say crossplateform where everything is specifics to plateform |
| 08:16.20 | khertan | achipa, i m trying to do an app for harmattan currently in qml |
| 08:16.26 | khertan | and whooa ... it s a real pain |
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| 08:16.36 | khertan | qtcreator didn't know about harmattan component |
| 08:16.40 | achipa | they are not cross-platform, they address the cross-platform PROBLEM |
| 08:16.54 | khertan | can't try it in simulator as it s really slow |
| 08:16.59 | achipa | I know, that might not be what people have expected, but that's it |
| 08:17.07 | achipa | AFAIK doesn't work in simulator currently |
| 08:17.09 | khertan | can't try it on n900, component not available |
| 08:17.11 | achipa | only QEMU |
| 08:17.21 | achipa | qtcreator should know about the components |
| 08:17.26 | achipa | if you have the experimental harmattan target |
| 08:17.31 | khertan | but qemu is too slow to be usefull |
| 08:17.38 | khertan | yep i ve experimental target |
| 08:18.00 | achipa | N900 components... I think Kate or GNUton-BNC is on that... |
| 08:18.15 | achipa | khertan: hm, worksforme with the experimental target |
| 08:18.21 | achipa | (on-device) |
| 08:18.35 | thresh | what does constant yellow light means when charging N900? |
| 08:18.43 | achipa | trouble |
| 08:18.51 | thresh | I can guess so |
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| 08:19.02 | khertan | achipa, is there qml component that works on fremantle and on meego ? |
| 08:19.05 | achipa | can you turn it on ? are going from zero ? |
| 08:19.20 | thresh | no, the battery went zero after my USB connector broke off |
| 08:19.25 | DocScrutinizer | HAAHAAA they seem to check the accelerometer for detecting doubletap for wakeup |
| 08:19.33 | achipa | khertan: look, I will repeat myself. Do not try to find a subset of the same code that runs equally well |
| 08:19.40 | achipa | khertan: that is pain, and you will suffer |
| 08:19.41 | thresh | the guy resoldered the connector (used new one), now it just wont charge and shows yellow led |
| 08:19.50 | achipa | think about doing it quickly in parallel |
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| 08:19.57 | achipa | embrace the diversity |
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| 08:20.03 | thresh | the mobile tries to turn on but obviously doesnt have enough battery power |
| 08:20.04 | achipa | minimize the QML UI layer |
| 08:20.04 | khertan | achipa, the pain will be to do 3 time the same apps |
| 08:20.09 | khertan | for the same target |
| 08:20.19 | khertan | it s the same device |
| 08:20.30 | khertan | only different os |
| 08:20.32 | achipa | it's more pain to do ONE iu that works equially well on all 3 |
| 08:20.33 | khertan | same framework |
| 08:20.35 | achipa | that's what I'm saying |
| 08:20.43 | thresh | could it be that the power is too low to even put it on charge mode? |
| 08:21.04 | achipa | thresh: could be... |
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| 08:21.39 | thresh | because I clearly remember the battery sign on the screen showing it actually was working on the guy's USB charger |
| 08:21.47 | khertan | achipa, no i m sorry ... it s more pain to rewrite and maintain 3 apps which do exactly the same thing and use different api |
| 08:21.53 | khertan | i call that fragmentation |
| 08:22.48 | khertan | so solution is avoid component and use pure qml ... do not respect plateform. |
| 08:23.02 | khertan | or avoid completely some plateform |
| 08:23.52 | DocScrutinizer | hmmmmmm, I'm all torn apart |
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| 08:25.09 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: whats wrong? |
| 08:25.19 | DocScrutinizer | too shiny |
| 08:25.23 | khertan | achipa, beside my grip about qml and component, for a source code editor, how will you present file opened at the same time ... doing a file switcher like the task switcher , or use a gesture to swipe from right to left and vice versa ? |
| 08:25.32 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: eh? |
| 08:25.32 | MohammadAG | ~n950order |
| 08:25.32 | infobot | hmm... n950order is https://forumnokia.secure.force.com/apex/ProductDetailByName?productName=Nokia+N950 and wait for "internal error" changing to something wonderful eventually :-) |
| 08:25.41 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: email? |
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| 08:25.55 | DocScrutinizer | it's like a new girlfriend |
| 08:25.56 | MohammadAG | no, just checking |
| 08:26.00 | hiemanshu | ah |
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| 08:26.10 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: that should be good news right |
| 08:26.18 | nid0 | unless the old one's complaining? |
| 08:26.24 | DocScrutinizer | first 2 weeks you see only the bright sides, but you sometimes get a bad feeling and you dunno what for |
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| 08:27.35 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: lol |
| 08:27.37 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: true |
| 08:28.07 | DocScrutinizer | open music... "please coonect to your PC to get your mediathek" (OWTTE) -- too simple, I bet connecting to my computer will result in something quite different than magical movement of songs |
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| 08:28.47 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: they expect you to have ovi, that should do the transfer :P |
| 08:29.37 | DocScrutinizer | lots og accidental taps instead flicking |
| 08:29.57 | DocScrutinizer | or scrolling |
| 08:30.06 | MohammadAG | long live capacitive |
| 08:30.14 | DocScrutinizer | YEAH :-/ |
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| 08:30.38 | MohammadAG | got used to it on the N8 and iPhone |
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| 08:31.07 | DocScrutinizer | welcome date&time picker is soooo nice now |
| 08:31.24 | MohammadAG | sadly everyone I give my N900 to does accidental clicks cause they scroll too lightly |
| 08:31.25 | robbiethe1st | So, what... you guys like the resistive on the N900 or the N950 capacitative better? |
| 08:31.37 | ZogG | MohammadAG \o*/ |
| 08:31.46 | hiemanshu | I like capacitative, mostly for multitouch |
| 08:31.47 | nid0 | please tell me the device will let me just manually transfer music to it in mass storage and itll pick up the music cleanly |
| 08:31.54 | MohammadAG | bump on the head ZogG? |
| 08:31.59 | nid0 | will not be impressed if it basically requires ovi to handle the transfer |
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| 08:32.07 | ZogG | MohammadAG it's flower in the hair =) |
| 08:32.08 | hiemanshu | nid0: naah, it should do that |
| 08:32.08 | MohammadAG | there's multitouch resistive hiemanshu |
| 08:32.21 | ZogG | MohammadAG, yeah but noone uses it |
| 08:32.30 | ZogG | i would liek to have it in phone |
| 08:32.36 | MohammadAG | point is, it's not a capacitive thing |
| 08:32.40 | ZogG | though i don't know how responsive it is |
| 08:32.51 | MohammadAG | same as resistive obviously |
| 08:32.52 | ruskie | I hope that the n9 will get rooted so that there will be normal root access like on n900... |
| 08:33.06 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: right, but its not even mainstream yet :( |
| 08:33.07 | ZogG | MohammadAG, actually it is, like in phones and association |
| 08:33.16 | X-Fade | ruskie: Not needed? |
| 08:33.18 | MohammadAG | rooted is an android word, please don't use it :P |
| 08:33.24 | ZogG | ruskie it is rooted |
| 08:33.36 | ruskie | I thought the n9 won't have root access |
| 08:33.39 | ZogG | ruskie right there in options |
| 08:33.39 | MohammadAG | X-Fade, can you see if devel-su works? |
| 08:33.54 | MohammadAG | rather than using ssh root@localhost |
| 08:33.55 | X-Fade | MohammadAG: devel-su? |
| 08:34.07 | MohammadAG | X-Fade, should be like sudo su |
| 08:34.10 | ZogG | as i read you just turn rot access in options |
| 08:34.20 | ZogG | MohammadAG why would you use sudo su |
| 08:34.24 | ruskie | ZogG, read where? |
| 08:34.27 | ZogG | you use or su or sudo |
| 08:34.33 | ZogG | ruskie internets |
| 08:34.38 | X-Fade | MohammadAG: Yes, asks for pw. And then it works. |
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| 08:34.57 | ZogG | ruskie, http://indostarcom.com/2011/07/root-nokia-n9-is-as-easy-as-entering-the-menu-settings/ |
| 08:34.58 | MohammadAG | ZogG, su root asks for root pass, I may not have that |
| 08:35.07 | MohammadAG | sudo su asks my password, which I have |
| 08:35.12 | ZogG | MohammadAG than you do sudo passwd |
| 08:35.23 | MohammadAG | I might be on a server |
| 08:35.32 | ZogG | or you use sudo )command |
| 08:35.38 | ZogG | %command* |
| 08:35.42 | ZogG | or you use su |
| 08:35.54 | ZogG | sudo su is kinda lame =) |
| 08:36.00 | ruskie | ZogG, hmm interesting |
| 08:36.08 | Corsac | sudo -i is what you want then |
| 08:36.10 | ruskie | to bad they hide it behind something called: Mode for developers |
| 08:36.28 | ZogG | ruskie why do you care how they call it |
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| 08:36.36 | ZogG | you can call it any name =) |
| 08:36.44 | ZogG | ruskie, have you got n9? |
| 08:36.52 | ruskie | ZogG, is it on sale yet? |
| 08:37.05 | ZogG | MohammadAG, are you planing to get 9 or n950 is enuf for you? |
| 08:37.20 | ZogG | ruskie how wouldi know, not in my country for sure |
| 08:38.10 | DocScrutinizer | nifty! no more simple battery indicator! |
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| 08:38.18 | ZogG | ? |
| 08:38.42 | ruskie | ZogG, the thing is I wonder if it sets anything other than just enabling su/sudo/whatever |
| 08:38.47 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: btw, update the wiki page with received |
| 08:38.56 | ZogG | i saw some guys that are not relevant to development got n950 |
| 08:38.56 | ruskie | if you call it enable root access that would make it plainly obvious |
| 08:39.03 | ZogG | i should try to apply too =( |
| 08:39.15 | hiemanshu | ZogG: like? |
| 08:39.16 | DocScrutinizer | later, I'm kinda in a hurry |
| 08:39.18 | ruskie | and users should be aware that there is root access not just mode for developers |
| 08:39.21 | ZogG | ruskie i bet as you get phone you check every option =) |
| 08:39.35 | ruskie | ZogG, when I get the device I try to hack it a lot |
| 08:39.50 | ruskie | consider when I got the n900... wasted a week just repartitioning it over and over and over |
| 08:40.12 | ZogG | hiemanshu like some guy just to make review coz he owns russian maemo site |
| 08:40.18 | ruskie | I decided to not apply for a n950 since I don't really develop stuff... just hack the system to work more to my liking |
| 08:40.22 | frals | MohammadAG: ssh root@localhost, sudo su stuff doesnt seem to work too good |
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| 08:40.31 | hiemanshu | ZogG: from the list? |
| 08:40.36 | ZogG | i dunno |
| 08:40.37 | hiemanshu | ZogG: I mean the wiki list? |
| 08:40.51 | Venemo_N900 | well anyway, I want my email NOW |
| 08:40.52 | ZogG | wazd, remember you said about just common guys getting n950? |
| 08:41.04 | hiemanshu | Venemo_N900: so do I :P |
| 08:41.05 | ZogG | Venemo_N900 you got approved? |
| 08:42.09 | ZogG | next week i grab back my n900 =) |
| 08:42.28 | ruskie | yay |
| 08:42.38 | Venemo_N900 | ZogG, dunno |
| 08:42.57 | ruskie | if I won't be happy with a N9 I can always give it to my mom for use |
| 08:43.03 | ruskie | she likes shiny things |
| 08:43.07 | hiemanshu | fucking trolls 'A Nokia N950 is not waiting for you' :( |
| 08:43.10 | Venemo_N900 | hehe |
| 08:43.17 | Venemo_N900 | hiemanshu, wut? |
| 08:43.26 | hiemanshu | Venemo_N900: trolls |
| 08:43.33 | hiemanshu | Venemo_N900: worst part, wrong email ID :P |
| 08:43.35 | lcuk | khertan, did you get any further with a qml text editor? |
| 08:43.35 | DocScrutinizer | I'm allready starting to hate the missing closebutton |
| 08:43.45 | hiemanshu | lol |
| 08:43.47 | ruskie | seriously? |
| 08:43.49 | ruskie | gah |
| 08:44.05 | ruskie | gief close buttonzzzz back!!! |
| 08:44.09 | khertan | lcuk, hello :) |
| 08:44.21 | thresh | hmm, I've used other mobile phone to charge the battery, still same effect :( |
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| 08:44.49 | ruskie | thresh, maybe they managed to short something or do some other odd wirring |
| 08:44.52 | thresh | and it wouldnt charge off the wallet charger |
| 08:45.14 | thresh | ruskie: yeah that's what I wonder too. Is there any black magic involved there? I'm not sure the soldering guy knows about N900 |
| 08:45.15 | khertan | lcuk, currently i ve a qtextedit in a qml view using qgraphicsproxywidget, so i've an editable text zone in a flickable area ... |
| 08:45.15 | DocScrutinizer | can confirm proper charging from standards conforming fastcharger (first raw test) |
| 08:45.43 | khertan | lcuk, with syntax highlighting, indent ... and something |
| 08:45.44 | DocScrutinizer | \o l8r |
| 08:45.48 | lcuk | khertan, nice, does the flicking and text selection work nicely? |
| 08:45.53 | khertan | lcuk, yep :) |
| 08:45.57 | ruskie | though how you can mess up the wirring when all you have is a smd usb port and points already there... |
| 08:45.59 | lcuk | nice! |
| 08:46.06 | ruskie | just need to resolder the stuff back in the same spots |
| 08:46.11 | lcuk | khertan, is your code somewhere? |
| 08:46.22 | khertan | lcuk, now the harder part is to build around that a qml interface |
| 08:46.25 | lcuk | i will give it a try on 'meego ideapad |
| 08:46.33 | thresh | ruskie: my thoughts exactly |
| 08:46.34 | khertan | to open file |
| 08:46.44 | khertan | lcuk, currently code didn't open any file |
| 08:46.48 | lcuk | ok |
| 08:46.55 | khertan | lcuk, but tweeking it a bit it will :) |
| 08:46.59 | ruskie | thresh, of course could have used a tad to much solder or such and that caused the short somewhere |
| 08:47.08 | khertan | http://gitorious.org/khteditor branch qml |
| 08:47.19 | khertan | ps setup didn't work :) |
| 08:47.23 | ruskie | lcuk, the detachable thingy? |
| 08:47.34 | lcuk | ruskie, ? |
| 08:47.39 | ruskie | ideapad |
| 08:47.45 | lcuk | convertable slate |
| 08:47.50 | lcuk | lovely device :) |
| 08:47.58 | khertan | lcuk, if you have idea ... or help to give me on qml to represent and switch fast between multiple opened file with a single window |
| 08:47.59 | lcuk | got it at the 2010 Dublin MeeGo conf |
| 08:48.05 | khertan | i 'm open to idea |
| 08:48.10 | thresh | meh |
| 08:48.19 | Venemo_N900 | hiemanshu :) |
| 08:48.28 | Venemo_N900 | nah, I need to leave now |
| 08:48.33 | Venemo_N900 | will be back later |
| 08:48.50 | ruskie | lcuk, that's atom right? |
| 08:49.02 | khertan | lcuk, main problem i ve currently is that qml component that are not cross plateform ... so must do everything manually |
| 08:49.24 | lcuk | khertan, your old code was not really cross platform either! |
| 08:49.32 | khertan | my old code ? |
| 08:49.41 | lcuk | original gtkeditor |
| 08:49.46 | khertan | gtkeditor wasn't |
| 08:49.50 | lcuk | i had many maemoisms didn't it? |
| 08:49.52 | khertan | i use khteditor on my pc :) |
| 08:49.56 | lcuk | ahh cool |
| 08:50.15 | lcuk | tried to make a text editor |
| 08:50.25 | khertan | the version 2 in experimental is now abandonned |
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| 08:50.29 | lcuk | khertan, from scratch! |
| 08:50.47 | lcuk | http://liqbase.net/liq.20110621_200232.codebox4.scr.png :D |
| 08:50.51 | ruskie | hmm wouldn't a touch frontend for vim be actually usable? |
| 08:50.52 | khertan | i ll try to do a qml for desktop and one for mobile |
| 08:51.04 | khertan | ruskie, ;) |
| 08:51.15 | khertan | lcuk, :) |
| 08:51.34 | thresh | yeah will go poke the solderer guy |
| 08:51.58 | lcuk | khertan, many of the rectangles have same issues a pure qml editor would need to handle |
| 08:52.39 | khertan | miss qwidget ... far away better than qml |
| 08:52.49 | lcuk | khertan, pure rectangles (before I added fonts) http://liqbase.net/liq.20110613_221639.codebox.scr.png |
| 08:54.09 | khertan | pure qml editor will probably not doable ... too much memory use |
| 08:54.38 | khertan | and ... it s easier to use qtextedit :) |
| 08:54.52 | ruskie | is qml being forced? |
| 08:54.57 | ruskie | or just one of the options? |
| 08:55.11 | hiemanshu | ruskie: forced |
| 08:55.53 | ruskie | hopes that changes |
| 08:56.00 | ruskie | one way or another |
| 08:56.01 | hiemanshu | wont |
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| 08:57.02 | wazd | hi all |
| 08:57.57 | hiemanshu | ruskie: there is a thread about it, let me find it |
| 08:58.22 | hiemanshu | http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=3520 |
| 08:58.23 | hiemanshu | ruskie: ^ |
| 08:58.51 | khertan | http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=24782&postcount=29 |
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| 08:59.24 | hiemanshu | is out |
| 08:59.48 | ruskie | well the main thing I mainly need is a terminal and vim ;) |
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| 09:00.41 | lardman | morning |
| 09:00.56 | GAN900 | Muahahaha |
| 09:01.19 | GAN900 | I woke up in a cold sweat with premonitions of N950 emails |
| 09:01.24 | [DarkGUNMAN] | morning all |
| 09:01.33 | lardman | hmm, still no email and no device on the web page |
| 09:01.51 | nid0 | lucky you, I woke up in a cold sweat because im ill as hell :< |
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| 09:05.20 | ZogG | so everyone moved to meego forum? |
| 09:05.25 | ZogG | i think i have account there |
| 09:05.55 | ZogG | is meego forum nokia's ? |
| 09:06.38 | ZogG | but mostly i like Bunny kicking people |
| 09:07.06 | GAN900 | doubts there's much chance of going back to sleep. |
| 09:07.16 | ZogG | lardman, here? |
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| 09:08.59 | javispedro | gentlemen, got the mail. |
| 09:09.05 | [DarkGUNMAN] | morning! |
| 09:09.54 | javispedro | glorious n950 morning ;) |
| 09:10.46 | javispedro | so, start hitting F5, cause your mails are soon |
| 09:11.35 | Termana | javispedro, hopefully |
| 09:12.10 | javispedro | for now there might be still hope of a friday delivery.. |
| 09:12.29 | javispedro | reads the nda... |
| 09:12.46 | Termana | javispedro, when were you approved for launchpad - yesterday? |
| 09:13.24 | javispedro | yep |
| 09:13.51 | javispedro | i now really believe they are being handed out in reverse arrival fashion. |
| 09:14.07 | khertan | javispedro, lol ... even if sent today ... it ll be friday delivery for the next week 's friday |
| 09:14.08 | khertan | :) |
| 09:14.24 | khertan | javispedro, rand rand rand :) |
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| 09:14.43 | lardman | ZogG: yep |
| 09:14.51 | ZogG | lardman sup |
| 09:15.12 | lardman | got to head to an meeting, but other than that just waiting for my email! |
| 09:15.26 | lardman | bbiab, hopefully this should be a short meeting.... |
| 09:15.31 | javispedro | wow |
| 09:15.32 | khertan | is waiting email, figthing with qml |
| 09:15.41 | javispedro | breaking the device = 500 |
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| 09:15.59 | ZogG | lardman i just wanted to ask somethign about QR |
| 09:16.11 | ZogG | khertan morning |
| 09:16.20 | khertan | ZogG, morning |
| 09:16.37 | Termana | javispedro, so is losing it |
| 09:16.46 | ZogG | btw goole+ is open for everyone now |
| 09:16.53 | Termana | Whats funny is that is $666 AUD |
| 09:17.04 | ZogG | nice number |
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| 09:17.13 | javispedro | termana: hope the hinge is not as breakable as the n900 usb port |
| 09:17.22 | Hurrian | wait, you'll pay for the device if you break it? |
| 09:17.32 | javispedro | otherwise, nokia is going to get 250*500$ |
| 09:17.37 | Termana | Hurrian, I don't think so, it's just a part of the NDA |
| 09:17.41 | javispedro | hmm... get rich quick scheme... |
| 09:17.47 | Termana | heh |
| 09:17.48 | Hurrian | javispedro ++ |
| 09:18.00 | javispedro | termana: not an nda actually, from what I see |
| 09:18.10 | javispedro | just generic agreement |
| 09:18.23 | Hurrian | hopefully they made the slider at least as good as the N97's |
| 09:19.31 | Hurrian | if the slider breaks though, just tape the halves together ;) |
| 09:19.34 | jonwil | I think I am getting closer to figuring out what the vibrator mce plugin does |
| 09:19.52 | khertan | Someone having an n950 or n9 can maybe answer me, did you think doing a multi windows application will be useable ? switching between window will be easy ? like it is on Fremantle ? |
| 09:19.54 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: yoh, but I have no 500⬠;-P |
| 09:20.20 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: got you rNDA&order? |
| 09:20.37 | javispedro | docscrutinizer: yep! order placed. you got tracking #? |
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| 09:20.41 | Hurrian | khertan, did you see the videos? |
| 09:20.55 | Hurrian | you access it using slide gesture |
| 09:20.55 | khertan | Hurrian, yep ... but a video is a video :) |
| 09:20.57 | DocScrutinizer | I got http://share.ovi.com/media/joerg900.public/joerg900.10131?sort=0 :-D |
| 09:21.06 | khertan | i ll like to get impress of user |
| 09:21.06 | khertan | s |
| 09:21.24 | javispedro | docscrutinizer: congrats! |
| 09:21.29 | khertan | when many app are loaded and device not in optimal condition |
| 09:21.32 | MySpaez | meego needs to be touchscreen ehich sucks |
| 09:21.36 | javispedro | docscrutinizer: but you got a tracking # prev? |
| 09:21.42 | Termana | DocScrutinizer, I don't know about in Germany, but if they were to pursue it in court here in Australia that matters not. They can sell personal or real property, garnish your wage, get an instalment order etc. And it costs them basically nothing because it's a small claims matter. |
| 09:21.55 | Termana | (re: not having 500 euro) |
| 09:22.05 | javispedro | docscrutinizer: also, how is aegis? it does evil red sparks when you do unathorized stuff? ;) |
| 09:22.08 | sp3000 | timeless: pong (+17h) |
| 09:22.47 | Hurrian | hmm, wonder why the hell nokia bothered with aegis security framework if they're really sure that meego is dead |
| 09:23.03 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: I just did random clicking (30% unintentional, thanks c-ts) and charging. Hardly anything "anti-aegis" |
| 09:23.08 | Hurrian | this is as stupid as Symbian Signed |
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| 09:24.18 | khertan | WHOUHOU !!! STILL NO EMAIL BUT N950 IN THE LIST !!! |
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| 09:25.01 | DocScrutinizer | Termana: I'm not supposed to handle the device with *special* care - so *if* I get in any trouble, I'm sure I can't find the device anymore, as here's maximum mess ;-P |
| 09:25.20 | wazd | khertan: where to check? :) |
| 09:25.46 | robbiethe1st | All I can say is that I envy you guys... I got my rejection notice three days ago. :( |
| 09:25.47 | DocScrutinizer | probably I forgot to remove the device when I discarded the DHL packaging XP |
| 09:25.52 | javispedro | ponders whether waking up the G e neral by pingin him or letting him be awakened by his disco ;) |
| 09:25.56 | khertan | ~n950order |
| 09:25.56 | infobot | n950order is probably https://forumnokia.secure.force.com/apex/ProductDetailByName?productName=Nokia+N950 and wait for "internal error" changing to something wonderful eventually :-) |
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| 09:26.07 | alterego | "No Programs" |
| 09:26.23 | Termana | alterego, still not approved? |
| 09:26.24 | alterego | sighs |
| 09:26.27 | alterego | Nope |
| 09:26.29 | javispedro | alterego: :( |
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| 09:26.50 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: better test his disco setup ;-D |
| 09:26.50 | alterego | I wonder how many are left now .. |
| 09:27.01 | wazd | Unexpected error has occured. Please try again. |
| 09:27.05 | GeneralAntilles | javispedro, thank goodness. I beat you out by about 15 minutes. |
| 09:27.10 | javispedro | dammit ! |
| 09:27.12 | Termana | wazd, means yours isn't ready yet |
| 09:27.19 | DocScrutinizer | GeneralAntilles: XD |
| 09:27.24 | javispedro | generalantilles: so how was the disco? |
| 09:27.24 | Termana | mine isn't either |
| 09:27.59 | wazd | Termana: I'm pretty sure I'll have lots of problems with the delivery to my andvanced european country |
| 09:28.00 | khertan | estimated delivery 2 weeks |
| 09:28.00 | DocScrutinizer | so today is the day where things really get on pace, eh? |
| 09:28.01 | khertan | huhu |
| 09:28.04 | javispedro | actually got the mail 48 minutes ago ;) |
| 09:28.24 | wazd | thanks to famous russian customs |
| 09:28.33 | javispedro | but was unpacking amazon stuff (they won the bet and shipped and delivered first) |
| 09:28.42 | GeneralAntilles | javispedro, was in bed, mostly still catatonic at the time. |
| 09:28.48 | javispedro | lol |
| 09:28.51 | javispedro | bet you ran |
| 09:29.00 | GeneralAntilles | Woke up at 4:58 and the N900 buzzed at 5. |
| 09:29.07 | DocScrutinizer | wow, comes with crappy CA-179 |
| 09:29.10 | GeneralAntilles | Premonition of N950 email and then it was there. |
| 09:29.22 | javispedro | that happens |
| 09:29.37 | javispedro | i woke up and a minute after amazon guy rings the door |
| 09:29.39 | khertan | still no email ... but order validated |
| 09:29.52 | DocScrutinizer | I guess I like my CA-101 (4 now?) way better than CA-179 |
| 09:29.54 | GeneralAntilles | Amazon dude is early. |
| 09:30.43 | Hurrian | ah, on a side note, which USB cable did your N900 ship with? |
| 09:30.49 | Hurrian | i got a really short CA-101D |
| 09:31.14 | DocScrutinizer | EHH, "SOFTWARE UPDATE 10:49" |
| 09:31.21 | DocScrutinizer | on lockscreen |
| 09:31.28 | javispedro | every n950 screenshot has that message |
| 09:31.40 | javispedro | i wonder why nobody ... updates. |
| 09:32.06 | GeneralAntilles | Anybody remember the Facebook episode of South Park? |
| 09:32.22 | DocScrutinizer | some green flag next to time in status bar - whatever that means |
| 09:32.44 | wazd | DEVELOPER EDITION |
| 09:32.51 | wazd | In case you didn't realize it |
| 09:32.54 | javispedro | docscrutinizar: have you ever used a n900 ? with IM? ;) |
| 09:33.21 | wazd | javispedro: I think it has green dot as a status notifier |
| 09:33.22 | javispedro | i wonder why docscrutiniz_a_r is on my dictionary, friggin autocomplete. |
| 09:33.34 | DocScrutinizer | \o/ software update in "events" screen (or what it's called) |
| 09:34.23 | DocScrutinizer | sdk-connectivity-tool 0,4.4+0m6 78k |
| 09:35.04 | DocScrutinizer | "download failed!" ;-P |
| 09:35.04 | khertan | ... now the question ... does it ll take me more time to do qml tool to track my n950 than to get it :) |
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| 09:35.48 | alterego | wonders off |
| 09:35.52 | javispedro | does it come with a track number |
| 09:35.54 | alterego | wanders .. |
| 09:35.55 | DocScrutinizer | "all updates installed" |
| 09:36.03 | wazd | bastards :) |
| 09:36.05 | DocScrutinizer | wow, OTA SSU seems to work |
| 09:36.33 | Termana | WOOOO |
| 09:36.37 | Termana | email received |
| 09:36.51 | javispedro | heard yesterday that house md line: "yes, I am a rich bastard, but as long as I'm rich..." ;) |
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| 09:39.41 | DocScrutinizer | ""Energy profiler is a developer tool that enables programmers to optimize software for maximum battery time..." |
| 09:39.45 | alterego | I wonder why I'm still seemingly the last one on the list |
| 09:40.21 | Termana | Ordered |
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| 09:41.40 | GeneralAntilles | alterego, your nickname is too early in the alphabet? |
| 09:41.52 | wazd | GeneralAntilles: what about me? :D |
| 09:42.04 | wazd | GeneralAntilles: mine too? :) |
| 09:42.04 | GeneralAntilles | wazd, you they just don't like. :P |
| 09:42.11 | wazd | goddamn :) |
| 09:42.32 | alterego | GeneralAntilles: "alterego" is not mentioned in my app, it uses my other name "tswindell" |
| 09:42.45 | alterego | Heh |
| 09:42.50 | GeneralAntilles | Well, then, you must be in the same boat as wazd. |
| 09:43.05 | alterego | I was in the first group of accepted people, bloody sloooooow. |
| 09:43.35 | GeneralAntilles | Me too |
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| 09:43.40 | GeneralAntilles | I don't know what their sorting logic is. |
| 09:43.53 | alterego | It seems rather random doesn't it .. |
| 09:44.04 | alterego | I bet there's an issue with the final few. |
| 09:44.10 | Termana | GeneralAntilles, they are obviously using the Sorting Hat because their sorting logic is obviously magical |
| 09:44.13 | alterego | I bet I've fucked something, or something. |
| 09:44.22 | khertan | GeneralAntilles, no logic i think |
| 09:44.58 | cpscotti | morning all! any news on our beloved "DEVELOPER EDITION" devices? |
| 09:44.59 | Termana | N950INDOR! |
| 09:45.19 | alterego | cpscotti: "No Programs" for me :P |
| 09:45.29 | divan | got the mail finally. |
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| 09:48.28 | alterego | Looks like my post shut that guy up that wants to port symbian to the N900 :D |
| 09:48.38 | Termana | DocScrutinizer, they sent you an email with the tracking number when they sent it didn't they? |
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| 09:51.11 | wazd | I bet all IRC messages from n950 will DEVELOPER EDITION look like this |
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| 09:51.49 | alterego | Heh |
| 09:51.52 | alterego | My dream of getting it this weekend to hack on has now exploded. :( |
| 09:52.03 | cpscotti | alterego, well.. I got the launchpad but nooothing further.. hehe.. This wait's getting fun |
| 09:52.34 | xkr47 | I have never ever before heard of dreams "exploding" |
| 09:52.37 | xkr47 | but now I have! |
| 09:52.40 | cpscotti | I think everybody thought it would take "hours" after seeing the name on that list.. a bit nonsense.. but people thought that |
| 09:52.55 | alterego | If I got the launchpad I wouldn't be so edgy, but not having any feedback at all is, well, annoying. |
| 09:53.09 | wazd | cpscotti, alterego: I've been waiting for my n900 for more that half a year :) |
| 09:53.15 | wazd | relax :) |
| 09:53.18 | cpscotti | xkr47, if you imagine a comic strip with a guy dreaming and the dream inside a tiny ballon/cloud, then exploding makes complete sense :D |
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| 09:53.39 | alterego | Well, I said wednesday, and it seems I was very closev as a lot of people got launchpad yesterday. |
| 09:53.42 | alterego | so .. |
| 09:54.01 | alterego | for me I'm thinking two weeks wednesday, when Quim comes back from holiday .. |
| 09:54.06 | xkr47 | cpscotti, true :) |
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| 09:57.36 | cpscotti | hahaha |
| 09:57.37 | cpscotti | lalala |
| 09:57.40 | cpscotti | got an e-mail |
| 09:57.48 | cpscotti | "A Nokia N950 is waiting for you" |
| 09:57.53 | alterego | You're a bitch |
| 09:58.10 | alterego | 's eyes start welling up. |
| 09:58.18 | alterego | why????!!!?!?! |
| 09:58.24 | alterego | :) |
| 09:58.35 | amti | surprisingly there isn't even one on sale at ebay |
| 09:58.41 | Termana | alterego, smile? did you just get it? :p |
| 09:58.53 | Termana | or was that a typo? |
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| 09:59.04 | amti | I guess that had something to with alter ego :) |
| 09:59.21 | dm8tbr | is the email from an *nokia.com domain? |
| 09:59.30 | divan | dm8tbr, yep |
| 09:59.38 | dm8tbr | needs to fine tune his pressure horn email rule ;) |
| 09:59.38 | divan | dm8tbr, no.reply-developer@nokia.com |
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| 09:59.54 | sandst1 | wohoo, e-mail came here too \o/ |
| 10:00.27 | wazd | alterego: http://sadviolin.com/ :) |
| 10:00.28 | thresh | yeah, problem solved |
| 10:00.38 | thresh | poor soldering was the issue |
| 10:00.51 | ruskie | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/07/07/european_patent_office_says_amazon_oneclick_payment_too_obvious_to_patent/ <-- hehe |
| 10:00.56 | cpscotti | e-mail is from "no.reply-developer@nokia.com" |
| 10:00.57 | wazd | alterego: my soundtrack for this chat :D |
| 10:01.19 | cpscotti | reading the agreement now.. kinda cool |
| 10:01.35 | cpscotti | no reverse engineering :)... all that funky stuff |
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| 10:01.50 | khertan | 500 Euro if you break it |
| 10:02.16 | cpscotti | yeh.. |
| 10:02.25 | wazd | khertan: that's kinda cheap for exclusive fancy smartphone, especially in russia :) |
| 10:02.28 | cpscotti | khertan, I went directly to that point |
| 10:02.40 | cpscotti | if you break it or lose it or get it stolen.. |
| 10:02.51 | khertan | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:02.59 | khertan | wazd, :) |
| 10:03.11 | khertan | wazd, i agree |
| 10:03.51 | khertan | cpscotti, and when order placed ... now wait for delivery tracking number ;) |
| 10:04.01 | wazd | wwoooo, got an e-mail! |
| 10:04.07 | wazd | not from nokia though :( |
| 10:04.14 | cpscotti | funny enough you can pick "Quantity" in the order page |
| 10:04.26 | Termana | wazd, oh come on dude, I was all excited for you then :( :p |
| 10:04.28 | cpscotti | I checked .. only one |
| 10:05.03 | wazd | Termana: aw cmon, everybody knows that I'll receive it somday in august :D |
| 10:05.31 | Termana | cpscotti, I was too excited to care about checking if it showed anything more :p |
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| 10:07.35 | cpscotti | Termana, lol! I'm on excited "take care not to do any mistakes" mode.. and that incurs in checking every box, every item.. |
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| 10:09.30 | lardman | yay, device ordered :) |
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| 10:10.43 | wazd | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EQ6eHeBrhM |
| 10:11.51 | Termana | wazd, put those sad violins away :p |
| 10:13.18 | khertan | cpscotti, i ve checked too ;) |
| 10:13.28 | khertan | cpscotti, for qtity ;) |
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| 10:14.10 | wazd | Termana: I've tried, I just can't :( |
| 10:14.12 | khertan | lardman, :) |
| 10:14.12 | wazd | :) |
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| 10:15.12 | cpscotti | :D |
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| 10:21.26 | crashanddie | anyone got a google+ account? |
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| 10:21.48 | crashanddie | or invite, rather. |
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| 10:23.29 | wazd | crashanddie: you can't register there anyway |
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| 10:24.03 | wazd | crashanddie: it says "registration is temporary disabled" or something like that |
| 10:24.16 | crashanddie | I heard that with invites it still worked. |
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| 10:24.29 | wazd | nope :( |
| 10:24.48 | wazd | well, not for me, maybe Nokia just told Google not to like me too :D |
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| 10:29.29 | pavi | is bored of all N950 talk .. why don't people talk about maemo 5 or better maemo 6 on N900 ! |
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| 10:30.55 | wazd_n800 | Hehe) |
| 10:31.18 | wazd_n800 | Still works like a charm :) |
| 10:31.18 | pavi | has just bought an N900 and is excited |
| 10:31.58 | wazd_n800 | Congrats :) |
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| 10:38.10 | jonwil | Maemo6 on N900 is never going to happen |
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| 10:40.09 | DocScrutinizer51 | that's obvious |
| 10:42.39 | pavi | why ? |
| 10:42.44 | pavi | lack of firmware? |
| 10:42.54 | jonwil | No reason you cant make apps using QT that are source compatible with N900/N950/N9 if not binary compatible |
| 10:42.56 | nid0 | well mainly because it doesnt exist |
| 10:43.29 | jonwil | Maemo6 on N900 would require Nokia to port it |
| 10:43.34 | jonwil | something they are not going to d |
| 10:43.36 | jonwil | do |
| 10:44.38 | pavi | Yeah heard that nokia is shutting doors |
| 10:44.44 | jonwil | nope, they are not |
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| 10:44.51 | jonwil | They are building Windows Phone 7 handsets |
| 10:44.59 | jonwil | and Symbian is far from dead |
| 10:45.20 | jonwil | ok, Good News Everyone, with the exception of 1 or 2 functions, cloning the vibrator plugin looks fairly simple to do |
| 10:45.27 | jonwil | It should be possible :) |
| 10:45.31 | pavi | Yeah I mean shutting doors for maemo .. /me hated the whole meego story |
| 10:47.10 | jani | jonwil: meego community edition is not that different than stuff on n9&n950 .. dunno much about ce but basestack should be the same anyway and but its not really a porting process, just compilation issue and propably what nokia wants to do.. |
| 10:48.50 | jani | unrelated to that.. want to the nokia store yesterday to fix my sons phone and asked about broken usb on n900 .. girl on the counter said "Yeah, just bring it in and we'll send it to factory repairs, it will come back as N8 most cases" :D |
| 10:49.11 | pavi | lol |
| 10:49.33 | ruskie | hahaha |
| 10:49.39 | jonwil | I think if your N900 has a broken USB, its best to find somewhere that can gaurantee a repair |
| 10:49.49 | jonwil | its better to have to pay to get it fixed |
| 10:49.55 | ruskie | or DIY |
| 10:50.03 | jonwil | diy if you know how yeah |
| 10:50.04 | nid0 | the best place to send an n900 in the uk is CPW |
| 10:50.06 | jonwil | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:50.21 | nid0 | they still have plenty of them, so can presumably replace them fine if need be |
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| 10:50.26 | jonwil | The N8 is a pathetic phone |
| 10:50.35 | jani | i have 3 n900's so im not really in need .. comment was just hilarious. |
| 10:50.56 | jani | jonwil: with stb shell its comes abit better atleast .. |
| 10:51.14 | jani | sorry, spb |
| 10:51.14 | jonwil | one N900 is all I need and can afford |
| 10:51.26 | jonwil | but I dont want it to be replaced with something crap running Symbian |
| 10:52.09 | nid0 | you're in luck then, because it gets replaced with something really nice running symbian |
| 10:52.24 | jonwil | Anything running Symbian is crap in my eyes :P |
| 10:52.25 | nid0 | if it's the symbian bit that's the problem, well, bummer. sell the n8 and buy an n900 |
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| 10:54.03 | ruskie | hmm fun... just checked at a local online store... 500eur for a new n900... but there are 10 5 star reviews and one 3 star |
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| 10:57.04 | jonwil | in any case I intend to be as careful at possible to ensure my N900 doesn't get damaged at all |
| 10:57.26 | jonwil | In particular, I will not have my N900 plugged into the USB if the phone is anywhere I could bump it or knock it off |
| 10:57.42 | Hurrian | jonwil, why not just secure the usb port? |
| 10:57.54 | jonwil | does that require opening the phone? |
| 10:58.05 | Hurrian | yes |
| 10:58.32 | jonwil | I dont want to open it since its still under warranty and I might need to get it replaced (even if its a N8) should it break in a way that cant be repaired completly |
| 10:58.47 | jonwil | i.e. where the only option is replacement |
| 10:58.57 | Hurrian | ah |
| 10:58.58 | Hurrian | k |
| 10:59.03 | [DarkGUNMAN] | guess i've been lucky mu usb slot has been resilient |
| 10:59.26 | robbiethe1st | Bah. You're not a nerd if you're warranty's intact! |
| 10:59.30 | [DarkGUNMAN] | screen hasn't weathered so well. need a replacement |
| 10:59.42 | robbiethe1st | I've voided my warranty about oh... a half-dozen ways. |
| 11:00.07 | Hurrian | iirc nokia doesnt bother to check mtd1 |
| 11:00.22 | robbiethe1st | Including everything from iverclocking, to opening the device up, to soldering on the board(replacing the RTC battery), etc. |
| 11:00.38 | robbiethe1st | aand replacing the screen. |
| 11:01.13 | Hurrian | hmm, anyone know of the n900's slider mechanism (not the flex) breaking? |
| 11:02.00 | DocScrutinizer51 | jonwil: if you let the ruggedizing get done by a certified nokia repair center, then this wouldn't void warranty AIUI |
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| 11:02.39 | robbiethe1st | Hurrian: Never heard of it happening. |
| 11:02.50 | pavi | Is it possible to emulate multitouch to zoom into a map ? |
| 11:02.56 | Hurrian | DocScrutinizer , we can have the USB securing done? |
| 11:03.06 | Hurrian | ...at a Nokia Service Center? |
| 11:03.22 | Hurrian | pavi , don't like the spin to zoom? |
| 11:04.02 | pavi | nopes |
| 11:04.23 | Hurrian | too bad, resistive screen in n900 cant do multitouch |
| 11:06.07 | pavi | emulate it ? |
| 11:06.11 | Hurrian | how? |
| 11:06.19 | Hurrian | mouse + screen? |
| 11:07.15 | DocScrutinizer51 | Hurrian: depends if your service center is willing to do the "repair" |
| 11:08.07 | jonwil | Only problem with getting USB port upgrade done at Nokia Care is that A.They probably wouldn't have a clue how to do it or what I am talking about B.Even if they do it, it will cost lots and take lots of time (probably a week or more) |
| 11:08.11 | DocScrutinizer51 | Hurrian: if they do, it's 'in name of Nokia' and they for sure won't deny warranty due to this work |
| 11:08.26 | jonwil | and I cant be without a phone for that long if I can avoid it |
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| 11:08.36 | jonwil | in any case I am not worried about my USB port right now |
| 11:08.51 | Hurrian | ++ , although USB replacement for wobbling USB can be done "in the back" according to the service manual |
| 11:08.58 | DocScrutinizer51 | my care point here *could* do it next day |
| 11:09.02 | Hurrian | hmm, mite b useful to bring in your own part |
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| 11:09.25 | jonwil | I dont think my care center actually does fixes, just replacements or "send off to somewhere for repair" |
| 11:09.30 | jonwil | repair/analysis |
| 11:09.49 | Hurrian | otoh, can you have the micro-b connector replaced for a OTG-compliant connector? |
| 11:10.14 | DocScrutinizer51 | Hurrian: yes |
| 11:10.25 | DocScrutinizer51 | you could replace by AB |
| 11:10.29 | jonwil | in any case I am not going to do anything to my phone (or have anything done to my phone) unless something doesn' |
| 11:10.32 | jonwil | doesn't work |
| 11:10.39 | alterego | sighs |
| 11:10.39 | jonwil | and needs to be fixed to get my phone going |
| 11:10.43 | alterego | "No programs" |
| 11:11.11 | alterego | I'm contemplating pinging quim, before he goes on holiday .. |
| 11:11.30 | robbiethe1st | Hurrian: It's possible to sort of emulate multitouch on single-touch devices: When you place one finger somewhere on the screen, then another elsewhere, the cursor will jump half-way between them. You can recognise the jump(as the button's "held down", and then monitor the distance for your gesture. |
| 11:11.48 | robbiethe1st | Try opening the paint application, and trying it. |
| 11:12.14 | robbiethe1st | place one finger somewhere on the screen, then take the second and touch+move it around, watch the cursor move. |
| 11:14.42 | Hurrian | anyways, we should probably sticky on the forum: USB Problems? take it to nokia care, it's a problem that doesn't need a light swap as long as the connector hasn't snapped off |
| 11:15.06 | DocScrutinizer51 | robbiethe1st: not really working for a true mt replacement |
| 11:15.30 | robbiethe1st | No, but it could be used for a psudo-pinch gesture. |
| 11:16.06 | DocScrutinizer51 | pinch is especially hard to detect |
| 11:16.51 | Hurrian | DocScrutinizer, so an AB part with similarly spaced connectors can be used as a drop-in replacement for the N900, without hooking the ID pin to anything? |
| 11:17.00 | DocScrutinizer51 | you got no clear data indicator for pinching gesture on a r-ts singletouch |
| 11:18.23 | DocScrutinizer51 | yes, as ID is broken anyway, so it's meaningless. Don't expect OTG to magically start working on swapping the receptacle |
| 11:18.25 | robbiethe1st | Well, in our case, it would be a matter of saving the touch position(when you first touch), then the jump position. If the current position(as you move it) falls closer to the start position than the jump position, it's a pinch-in. if it's "outside", it's a pinch out. |
| 11:19.08 | DocScrutinizer51 | Hurrian: what do you mean by 'not hooking ID to anything'? |
| 11:19.15 | Hurrian | ID pin |
| 11:19.51 | DocScrutinizer51 | yeah pin |
| 11:19.58 | Hurrian | docscrutinizer , just makes using OTG a lot easier then, using normal OTG cables instead of USB data cable + F-F adapter |
| 11:20.00 | DocScrutinizer51 | still nfc |
| 11:20.11 | DocScrutinizer51 | yes |
| 11:20.29 | DocScrutinizer51 | the ONLY difference |
| 11:21.25 | DocScrutinizer51 | alas H-E-N doesn't (yet?) autodetect OTG-A plugs via ID |
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| 11:23.45 | DocScrutinizer51 | we *could* throw together a daemon that checks the ID sysnode, for the rare cases where somebody managed to actually get ID grounded |
| 11:24.17 | DocScrutinizer51 | mostly useless effort |
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| 11:24.57 | DocScrutinizer51 | usual micro-B plugs don't allow to meddle with ID pin |
| 11:25.45 | DocScrutinizer51 | on all datacables ID is not connected |
| 11:25.45 | Hurrian | hmm, in N9 news, "also it will not be sold in many of Nokia's biggest markets outside of Europe like Brazil, India, Indonesia, Philippines, South Africa etc." |
| 11:25.51 | Hurrian | >not sold in Philippines |
| 11:25.58 | Hurrian | oh nokia, what the fuck? |
| 11:26.26 | Hurrian | you should see WP7 sales here, HTC Mozart, the most heavily promoted WP7 device, is tanking like fuck |
| 11:26.33 | ruskie | hehehehe |
| 11:26.45 | ruskie | and why is that a surprise really? |
| 11:26.52 | Hurrian | N8 = super popular, BECAUSE IT HAS 12 MPXLZZZZZZ |
| 11:27.18 | ruskie | tries not to barf from the MP crap |
| 11:27.24 | DocScrutinizer51 | 12 Mpiexsl |
| 11:27.33 | Hurrian | oh, and chinese dual sim crap phones have stopped selling because of the Nokia dual sim phone |
| 11:27.35 | DocScrutinizer51 | ;-P |
| 11:27.56 | Hurrian | nokia has to fucking wake up, and realize that 90% of the population here are Nokia die-hards |
| 11:28.14 | wazd | wooo! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4ouPGGLI6Q |
| 11:28.14 | Hurrian | i bet some people will flip a huge shit when they buy a nokia phone and it runs WP7 |
| 11:28.16 | ruskie | no nokia has to wake up and figure out that wp7 is a lost cause |
| 11:28.43 | Hurrian | "durr i'm a 50 year old executive, and WTF is this, i have to scroll around to see more text" |
| 11:30.08 | Hurrian | you just really have to see the amount of cash they're willing to pay to have their Communicators fixed |
| 11:30.53 | alterego | bbl |
| 11:32.31 | dm8tbr | *honk* *honk* *honk* *fanfare* |
| 11:32.35 | dm8tbr | just got an email :D |
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| 11:33.17 | jonwil | Nokia needs to realize that its biggest and most important customer base are the people who have been using Nokia handsets since the days when a Nokia handset was a dumbphone with a black & white screen |
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| 11:35.01 | javispedro | hmpf |
| 11:35.20 | javispedro | no device shipped yet, chances of overnight delivery evaporating. |
| 11:35.35 | ruskie | jonwil, aka the core audience ;) |
| 11:35.43 | GeneralAntilles | javispedro, seems like Jaffa's hit the DHL warehouse pretty late. |
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| 11:35.50 | lardman | javispedro: have you received some sort of notification? |
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| 11:36.01 | javispedro | lardman, nope other than order confirmed. |
| 11:36.01 | lardman | DHL thing? |
| 11:36.06 | lardman | same here |
| 11:36.09 | javispedro | According to DocScrutinizer we should receier a order sent |
| 11:36.09 | Hurrian | jonwil : while true, do jonwil++ |
| 11:36.45 | lardman | crosses fingers it happens today, would be good to have for the weekend |
| 11:36.59 | Hurrian | symbian basically looks exactly the same as it was on the black + green LED phones |
| 11:37.07 | Hurrian | left button, messaging |
| 11:37.11 | Hurrian | right button, contacts |
| 11:37.20 | Hurrian | center button, menu |
| 11:37.45 | javispedro | GeneralAntilles, good to know, but Jaffa is relatively near origin point ;) |
| 11:40.31 | wazd | so, you can't blog about n950? :) |
| 11:40.52 | Hurrian | wazd, do it anonymously |
| 11:40.58 | javispedro | though according to amazon's tracking story it's just 30 minutes from deutschland to spain =) |
| 11:41.12 | javispedro | I wonder if they installed a maglev and I didn't notce |
| 11:41.26 | ruskie | javispedro, travel time sure... all the extra time... probably not |
| 11:41.43 | javispedro | exactly |
| 11:41.45 | ruskie | by airplane |
| 11:41.48 | javispedro | well |
| 11:41.52 | javispedro | even by airplane 30 is too little |
| 11:41.59 | javispedro | *fast. |
| 11:41.59 | ruskie | it is? |
| 11:42.10 | javispedro | there's this country called france in between. |
| 11:42.18 | javispedro | some third party reports say it's small |
| 11:42.22 | javispedro | but I digress. |
| 11:42.38 | ruskie | well aircraft tend to travel at quite a high rate ove movement |
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| 11:44.09 | javispedro | google says 2h 20 minuts flight time |
| 11:44.47 | DocScrutinizer51 | javispedro: hehe |
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| 11:45.32 | DocScrutinizer51 | indeed I guess it takes at least 45 min from german to spanish air domain |
| 11:45.53 | DocScrutinizer51 | not so for LasPalmas |
| 11:46.03 | ruskie | javispedro, maybe they are counting from border to border only |
| 11:46.11 | ruskie | not take-off to landing |
| 11:46.29 | DocScrutinizer51 | ruskie: that's my 45 then |
| 11:46.36 | nid0 | 2h 20's way too long take off to landing unless its the very north-east of germany to the south-west of spain |
| 11:47.19 | javispedro | yes, google seems to be giving a quite conservative estimate.. |
| 11:47.22 | ruskie | nid0, or center-center |
| 11:47.47 | ruskie | or maybe capital-capital even |
| 11:47.49 | nid0 | stansted (north of london) to frankfurt-haahn is less than an hour flight time, germany > spain's not twice that |
| 11:49.16 | wazd | My order has been received :) |
| 11:49.29 | javispedro | nid0, according to gmaps is exactly double the mileage |
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| 11:50.04 | javispedro | london<->frankfurt 643, barcelona<->köln 1120 |
| 11:50.19 | javispedro | s/exactly// ;) |
| 11:51.07 | nid0 | must be a biplane or something making the trip for google's timing then :) |
| 11:53.02 | DocScrutinizer51 | javispedro: as marble miserably fails, I just guess mere distance air to air frontier is lt 900km, so max 1h |
| 11:53.12 | nid0 | yer google's timing's well conservative, it lists stn to hhn as 75 minutes rather than 47 |
| 11:55.09 | javispedro | GeneralAntilles, reconfigure disco lights for DDP's order sent message! |
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| 12:02.23 | javispedro | realizes that because of the amazon guy he's not had breakfast today, thus the low productivity |
| 12:03.15 | javispedro | cya and may the DHL courier bless you. |
| 12:03.42 | Corsac | gnagnagna |
| 12:03.51 | Corsac | some us weren't nokia-blessed first |
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| 12:28.30 | jonwil | wishes someone would write a map app for the N900 that can do the cool public transport stuff that the new Google Maps app can |
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| 12:35.54 | jonwil | I would try it except I dont know where I can get the maps data or how to render said maps data |
| 12:40.26 | jhb | wonders: is there a way to open more then one email at a time in modest? |
| 12:41.25 | jhb | (or have one open for reading while writing a new one?) |
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| 12:45.33 | gomiam | jhb: no idea. I changed to using claws |
| 12:45.43 | gomiam | much more comfortable, IMO |
| 12:46.08 | gomiam | if only I could turn all the modest-related shortcuts to claws... |
| 12:46.29 | cpscotti | hey, anyone using QtMobility/Bluetooth there? Am I the only one that thinks QBluetoothServiceDiscoveryAgent should have an additional constructor? |
| 12:49.50 | cpscotti | (namely: QBluetoothServiceDiscoveryAgent(const QBluetoothDeviceInfo&, QObject *parent = 0); .. ) |
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| 12:52.08 | ptplus | Has there been any discussion at all about getting Gnome3 running on N900? |
| 12:59.54 | jhb | gomiam: I like the touch interface of modest a bit better |
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| 13:00.29 | ptplus | i've been trying to get gnome3 running on easy-debian but i haven't had much success |
| 13:01.09 | gomiam | jhb: yes, but dealing with lots of mail is somewhat a pain |
| 13:01.29 | gomiam | and... claws has a spam filter IIRC. |
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| 13:13.45 | DocScrutinizer51 | jhb: in modest? probably not |
| 13:14.19 | DocScrutinizer51 | modest completely useless for serious mail processing |
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| 13:19.01 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~botsnack |
| 13:19.01 | infobot | DocScrutinizer51: thanks |
| 13:20.08 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer51: is there a command to determine how hungy infobot is? |
| 13:20.31 | DocScrutinizer51 | she's always hungry |
| 13:20.35 | merlin1991 | :D |
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| 13:24.04 | DocScrutinizer51 | ok, heading home, towards 950 surgery |
| 13:24.26 | Shapeshifter | I'm trying to install community SSU but if I click "install testing", HAM only added the repo but nothings more happens. It just sits there. If i try again, it's the same, it just opens HAM and does nothing. |
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| 13:25.33 | DocScrutinizer51 | errr, the suggested procedure was to close HAM and click on the icon then? |
| 13:26.33 | Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer51: what icon? there's nothing. |
| 13:26.34 | jhb | DocScrutinizer51: valid point about the uselessness, but I haven't found a decent alternative |
| 13:26.39 | Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer51: HAM didn't install anything |
| 13:26.59 | BCMM | i just found the abook-dtmf package; i presume the idea is to hold the phone up to a landline's microphone and use it as a speed-dial? |
| 13:27.13 | jhb | DocScrutinizer51: but thx for the info about it not being possible |
| 13:27.17 | Shapeshifter | mh. actually, I think it's completely broken, because now there's "no catalogues in use" |
| 13:27.20 | DocScrutinizer51 | Shapeshifter: I'm unsure about 'testing' anyway |
| 13:27.20 | jhb | BCMM: it actually works |
| 13:27.43 | jhb | BCMM: only with analog phones though - my dect phones are not interested in dial tones |
| 13:27.47 | rm_work | hey, woo N950 shows up on my DDP page |
| 13:27.50 | Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer51: http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU that's what it says here |
| 13:27.52 | rm_work | GeneralAntilles: everyone done now? |
| 13:27.54 | BCMM | thing is, most of my numbers are stored starting +44 rather than 0 (so they work with skype) |
| 13:28.07 | GAN900 | rm_work, not so far as I can tell. |
| 13:28.13 | rm_work | GAN900: ah and there's the email |
| 13:28.13 | BCMM | anyone know if starting a UK number with 0044 cause it to be billed as if international? |
| 13:28.20 | merlin1991 | Shapeshifter: ham should install the "community ssu enabler" |
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| 13:28.33 | merlin1991 | it takes some time after hitting the install though |
| 13:28.46 | jani | BCMM: i have a dedicate device to to dtfm signals from way back when ... =) |
| 13:29.06 | BCMM | jani: just the regualar keypad, or some extra keys? :) |
| 13:29.21 | jhb | BCMM: there is an option to configure the international prefix |
| 13:29.24 | rm_work | anyone else notice "No Reverse Engineering. You may not (or allow others to) disable, disassemble, decompile or reverse engineer the Product or determine the source code of any code that is not delivered to You by Nokia in source code format. You may not (or allow others to) enable any logic or protocols in the Product that are disabled when delivered to You by Nokia. " |
| 13:29.28 | rm_work | >_> |
| 13:29.30 | Shapeshifter | merlin1991: mh, I reopened HAM and now it seems like it's thinking about something when I hit install. I'll just manually install this enabled |
| 13:29.33 | Shapeshifter | *enabler |
| 13:29.38 | rm_work | do we just not care? |
| 13:29.47 | BCMM | jhb: thanks; where is it? |
| 13:29.47 | DocScrutinizer51 | Shapeshifter: ask MohammadAG |
| 13:29.53 | merlin1991 | Shapeshifter: if it doesn come up but you have the repo added, manually install community-ssu-enabler |
| 13:29.57 | Termana | rm_work, that has been discussed here and on the forum |
| 13:30.02 | rm_work | k |
| 13:30.03 | merlin1991 | then run it from the launcher and proceed with ham |
| 13:30.06 | Termana | ignore it, agree your life away |
| 13:30.08 | rm_work | lol |
| 13:30.11 | jhb | BCMM: contact -> play dtmf -> options |
| 13:30.11 | rm_work | k... |
| 13:30.28 | rm_work | already agreed not to say anything publicly negative about anything Nokia for 50 years |
| 13:30.31 | rm_work | how much worse can it get |
| 13:30.37 | BCMM | jhb: oh thanks; i'd looked straight past that button, assuming it was "ok" or something |
| 13:30.47 | jhb | BCMM: been there :-) |
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| 13:31.03 | Shapeshifter | merlin1991: mh, now it worked |
| 13:31.04 | DocScrutinizer51 | rm_work: see my post in forum.meego |
| 13:31.09 | Shapeshifter | HAM is just being HAM. |
| 13:31.24 | BCMM | jhb: i'm not entirely sure how that helps; though |
| 13:31.52 | jhb | BCMM: I have not confirmed it, but I would bet that it translates the + to e.g. 00 |
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| 13:32.09 | BCMM | jhb: Indeed, ATM, it's playing 00441..... for a UK phone number starting +441... |
| 13:32.32 | BCMM | jhb: what i was wondering is whether that works on a typical BT landline; and also whether it causes it to bill it like an international call |
| 13:32.44 | rm_work | GAN900: well I guess it's on its way |
| 13:33.01 | rm_work | yay for whatever roll of the dice made mine be today |
| 13:33.08 | DocScrutinizer51 | bbl |
| 13:33.16 | jhb | BCMM: no idea about bt, but all it does is replacing your dial pad on the phone. So its the same as a manually dialed called |
| 13:33.32 | jhb | call |
| 13:34.27 | fiferboy | alterego: Any movement on the Launchpad front? |
| 13:34.32 | BCMM | jhb: yes, i know. the problem is that my numbers are stored like +441234 567890, as opposed to the 01234 567890 i would usually dial |
| 13:35.08 | BCMM | there is no option to just replace the +44 with a 0; so i'm wondering if 0044 works in the UK, and if it charges normally |
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| 13:35.57 | jhb | I guess you can replace the '00' in the options by '0' |
| 13:35.59 | BCMM | (numbers are stored that way so they work with skype out, which naturally doesn't understand which country 01234 567890 is supposed to be in) |
| 13:36.01 | jhb | BCMM: ^ |
| 13:36.14 | nid0 | 01***, +441*** and 00441**** are all the same, makes no difference whatsoever which you dial while in the uk |
| 13:36.16 | BCMM | jhb: yes, but then it would be 0441234 567890 |
| 13:36.45 | BCMM | nid0: thanks. was just slightly worried that they might bill it as if international or something |
| 13:37.01 | BCMM | also, isn't + just a shorthand for "whatever your country uses to mean international"? |
| 13:37.02 | jhb | BCMM: I finally understand your issue, and I agree with nid0 |
| 13:37.10 | BCMM | sorry for explaining it badly |
| 13:37.33 | nid0 | BCMM, yeah + is just a replacement for (in the uk) 00, they function the same |
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| 13:38.23 | BCMM | anyway, this could actually be really useful. thanks for the explanation |
| 13:40.14 | jhb | BCMM: sorry for being slow to understand. But I agree, seems to be useful |
| 13:42.34 | MySpaez | disobey the legislators and the bureaucrats |
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| 13:54.36 | rm_work | DocScrutinizer51: having trouble finding the post you referred to |
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| 13:57.23 | jani | btw, do i remember right that for diablo or chinook there was also fm broadcast application that was done by community ? |
| 13:57.46 | rm_work | no, n8x0 did not have an FM transmitter |
| 13:57.55 | rm_work | or do you mean just an FM Radio app? |
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| 13:59.57 | jani | maybe .. just remembering that there was some sort of easter again for fm stuff with tables and not sure if it was receiver ot broadcaster ;) |
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| 14:00.06 | cityLights | hi all |
| 14:00.21 | cityLights | I remeber someone here said - they use gentoo |
| 14:00.35 | cityLights | I seek to install xen to get scratchbox |
| 14:00.44 | cityLights | can anyone lend a hand? |
| 14:00.51 | BCMM | jani: there are some things around to overcome intentional limitations of the fmtx, if that's what you mean |
| 14:00.58 | rm_work | i've only done Xen on Debian Squeeze |
| 14:01.18 | BCMM | there's a tool to enable it on harware where it is disabled, and another tool to transmit at a higher power than it is supposed to do |
| 14:01.32 | cityLights | <rm_work> : do you ue lvm? |
| 14:01.47 | cityLights | to get a seperate vol for each domU? |
| 14:01.47 | BCMM | cityLights: why do you need xen for scratchbox? |
| 14:02.00 | rm_work | yes but i kind of just stumbled through a guide for the initial setup :/ |
| 14:02.06 | rm_work | don't think i'd be much help in that area |
| 14:02.09 | BCMM | cityLights: i run scratchbox on gentoo without using any kind of VM |
| 14:02.19 | jani | those are for n900 right ? |
| 14:02.20 | cityLights | Ihi BCMM |
| 14:02.31 | cityLights | right , |
| 14:02.34 | rm_work | yeah, the scratchbox stuff just sits in a folder on your OS... don't need a VM... |
| 14:02.37 | BCMM | (well, there is the processor emulation used in scratchbox to run ARM binaries, but other than that) |
| 14:02.53 | cityLights | I want to build for my n900 and prefer to use a domU |
| 14:03.11 | BCMM | cityLights: yeah, scratchbox doesn't emulate a full os with a kernel and so on; it's just regular processes running in a chroot |
| 14:03.37 | BCMM | cityLights: (except that some of those processes may actually be ARM binaries executed using user-mode qemu) |
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| 14:04.24 | BCMM | cityLights: wait, you want to install ubuntu or something in a VM and run scratchbox on that? |
| 14:05.04 | trx | i use that when on Win32 |
| 14:05.16 | trx | Ubuntu in VirtualBox |
| 14:05.28 | trx | then run scratchbox inside.. |
| 14:05.33 | BCMM | cityLights: am i correct in thinking that your end goal is to run scratchbox, in order to compile stuff for the n900? |
| 14:06.29 | cityLights | right |
| 14:06.40 | cityLights | but , I have other causes |
| 14:06.50 | BCMM | cityLights: if i were you; i'd just install scratchbox on gentoo. would you like to know how? |
| 14:07.14 | cityLights | not now BCMM |
| 14:07.19 | BCMM | ok |
| 14:07.31 | BCMM | i should really write it down somewhere actually |
| 14:07.38 | cityLights | so did anyone install xen and can help me with that? |
| 14:07.59 | merlin1991 | BCMM: can one emerge scrachbox on gentoo? |
| 14:08.00 | cityLights | after I build the dom0 kerenl - I am unable to boot it |
| 14:08.08 | cityLights | yes, he did |
| 14:08.14 | BCMM | merlin1991: pretty much; yes |
| 14:08.21 | cityLights | I think he also , published the ebuilds |
| 14:08.33 | BCMM | merlin1991: what i did was basically http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Final_SDK_Installation#On_x86_and_x86_64_Debian-based_systems with a few modifications |
| 14:08.38 | BCMM | worked fine |
| 14:08.42 | BCMM | i should document it properly |
| 14:08.51 | cityLights | assuming I missed the N9 dev application by 12 hr, then emailed |
| 14:08.59 | cityLights | may I still get a N950? |
| 14:09.10 | merlin1991 | BCMM: just add a section about gentoo on that wiki page |
| 14:09.22 | cityLights | pls |
| 14:09.37 | BCMM | merlin1991: don't know why i didn't think of that when i first did it. probably nervous about editing the wiki |
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| 14:10.22 | wazd | fiferboy: have you got an e-mail? |
| 14:11.40 | fiferboy | wazd: I got it this morning |
| 14:11.48 | wazd | fiferboy: cool :) |
| 14:11.55 | fiferboy | wazd: What about you? |
| 14:12.31 | wazd | fiferboy: yep, me too. Though I don't have any tracking numbers to drool on yet :D |
| 14:13.15 | fiferboy | wazd: No, me neither. |
| 14:13.19 | BCMM | merlin1991: are you a gentoo user wanting to install scratchbox? would be be prepered to test my instructions if i write them up? |
| 14:13.35 | fiferboy | I'm not looking forward to its trip through the over-zealous Canadian Customs, though |
| 14:13.50 | merlin1991 | BCMM: I was a gentoo user, I was only wondering if you could simply emerge it or if there was some more black magic needed |
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| 14:14.45 | jonwil | I was able to emerge Scratchbox |
| 14:14.47 | wazd | fiferboy: oh yeah, almost same as russian. Except that russian costom is searching for anything to steal |
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| 14:14.51 | jonwil | but you need to unmask the right bits |
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| 14:19.26 | BCMM | merlin1991: about as much black magic as the manual debian instructions i linked |
| 14:19.50 | BCMM | replace apt-get with emerge (and packages are slightly differently named) |
| 14:20.15 | BCMM | and then gentoo doesn't need a group created becuase the ebuild does it; but it does need an init script added to the default runlevel |
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| 14:22.51 | fiferboy | wazd: That is worse. Canadian are just looking for anything to tax |
| 14:23.38 | macmaN | Jaffa: have you disabled background data at all on your n950? it annoyingly pops up the internet connection screen after every wakeup |
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| 14:32.17 | DocScrutinizer | it's really funny the N950 doesn't react at all to doubletap when laying flat on a desk. You'd need to tap *hard* to make the accelerometer detect it ;-D |
| 14:32.44 | Corsac | hmhm, but on capacitive it doesn't matter how hard you tap, does it? |
| 14:33.06 | DocScrutinizer | it doesn't use capacitive quite obviously |
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| 14:34.42 | Venemo_N900 | hey! |
| 14:35.01 | Venemo_N900 | I got an e-mail: "A Nokia N950 is waiting for you!" |
| 14:35.09 | [DarkGUNMAN] | afternoon Venemo_N900 |
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| 14:35.34 | Venemo_N900 | and a "Your order has been received" |
| 14:35.47 | jonwil | anyone here know anything about /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-1/1-0048/twl4030_vibra/pulse or how it works? |
| 14:36.01 | jonwil | Or where I can find out what the driver behind it does with the numbers? |
| 14:37.29 | jonwil | btw, good to hear that those waiting eagerly for news on their N950s have mostly gotten the news they were waiting for |
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| 14:38.25 | rm_work | hrm, n950 I thought was going to be capacative? for multitouch? |
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| 14:39.40 | Venemo_N900 | rm_work, yeah, methinksso |
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| 14:43.35 | DocScrutinizer | sure |
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| 14:43.48 | DocScrutinizer | s[2011-07-07 16:32:17] <DocScrutinizer> it's really funny the N950 doesn't react at all to doubletap when laying flat on a desk. You'd need to tap *hard* to make the accelerometer detect it ;-Dure |
| 14:44.45 | Venemo_N900 | DocScrutinizer, how do you like it so far? |
| 14:44.57 | DocScrutinizer | the funny part however is that doubletapping with e.g a pencil also doesn't unlock |
| 14:45.08 | frals | DocScrutinizer: its not accelerometer based afaik ;) |
| 14:45.29 | frals | DocScrutinizer: doubletapping *soft* when its on a desk unlocks it just fine |
| 14:45.37 | DocScrutinizer | frals: so why does it not react at all when laying flat on table? |
| 14:45.45 | frals | soft as in barely making contact with the screen |
| 14:45.53 | ali1234 | sounds like you got a broken one |
| 14:45.53 | frals | DocScrutinizer: it does for me |
| 14:45.54 | DocScrutinizer | not here |
| 14:46.00 | Venemo_N900 | hmm |
| 14:46.05 | Jaffa | macmaN: I've not disabled it, nor do I get that screen everytime. But I *usually* have a connection - e.g. wifi or 3G |
| 14:46.26 | DocScrutinizer | as soon as I lift it a itsy bit so it can *move* on tap it unlocks |
| 14:46.46 | DocScrutinizer | frals: your table has a cloth? |
| 14:46.48 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
| 14:47.01 | frals | DocScrutinizer: nope, its my hydraulic work desk ;-) |
| 14:47.07 | Corsac | yours's naked? perv! |
| 14:47.09 | DocScrutinizer | weird |
| 14:47.42 | frals | DocScrutinizer: maybe your finger is just incompatible with the touchscreen ;-) |
| 14:48.00 | rm_work | docscrutinizer: couldn't find the meego forums post you referenced about the nokia dev license |
| 14:48.17 | DocScrutinizer | there's sth weird going on with touchpad |
| 14:48.30 | DocScrutinizer | it needs the contact from other hand to case |
| 14:48.47 | flux | docscrutinizer, have you tried deactivating it with something other than what the capacitive display can detect? |
| 14:49.02 | DocScrutinizer | frals: your workbench conducting? |
| 14:49.18 | frals | DocScrutinizer: uh, i hope not :D |
| 14:49.57 | frals | its some kind of standard issue tree desktop top i guess |
| 14:50.00 | DocScrutinizer | well, I definitely need to *hold* the device with my other hand, otherwise touch not detected |
| 14:50.27 | Venemo_N900 | Doc, are you on da latest sw? |
| 14:50.29 | frals | id put it on my rubbercover here but then its gonna start moving around |
| 14:50.35 | DocScrutinizer | flux: [2011-07-07 16:44:57] <DocScrutinizer> the funny part however is that doubletapping with e.g a pencil also doesn't unlock |
| 14:51.14 | PolarFox | kill the stupid capacitive screen... sucks when your phone is in a holder on the car dash... |
| 14:51.26 | flux | docscrutinizer, it could always be a combination, if the accelerometer is cheaper to keep on than the capacitive display. |
| 14:51.36 | PolarFox | and only reacts when it wants to.. :) |
| 14:51.39 | frals | DocScrutinizer: i remember there have been issues with doubletap not being quite as accurate as one would wish in earlier builds thou |
| 14:51.51 | DocScrutinizer | flux: that's what I thought first |
| 14:52.05 | frals | and i guess the build you have is 22-6 it might have been there |
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| 14:53.12 | DocScrutinizer | sth weird is going on with this doubletap-unlock |
| 14:53.30 | DocScrutinizer | none of my initial assumptions holds true |
| 14:56.12 | DocScrutinizer | anyway N950 is definitely MONO |
| 14:56.44 | Corsac | mono? |
| 14:56.44 | DocScrutinizer | I.E. *one* speaker (though admittedly a good sounding one) |
| 14:56.49 | Corsac | ah, mono |
| 14:56.50 | Corsac | :) |
| 14:57.13 | Corsac | stereo on a device which is like 10cm large doesn't make much sense anyway |
| 14:57.30 | SpeedEvil | I discovered yesterday that you can actually get a not-useless stereo sound from the n900 |
| 14:57.33 | DocScrutinizer | always my take on it as well, Corsac |
| 14:57.37 | SpeedEvil | Place it on top of your head. |
| 14:57.57 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: I did that, indeed |
| 14:57.59 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
| 14:58.07 | flux | and thus was top-listening invented |
| 14:58.16 | DocScrutinizer | while kaying in bed on my back |
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| 14:58.19 | sp3000 | SpeedEvil: with or without pancake? |
| 14:58.20 | DocScrutinizer | laying |
| 14:58.50 | sp3000 | (and rabbit) |
| 14:59.22 | DocScrutinizer | aegis:: developer mode disabled and re-enabled without flaws |
| 14:59.26 | DocScrutinizer | without reboot |
| 14:59.30 | DocScrutinizer | strange |
| 15:00.05 | DocScrutinizer | I guess even the developer mode has different modes, and generally isn't as open as you'd think it is |
| 15:00.30 | DocScrutinizer | it's *not* like developer mode would make aegis lose control of device |
| 15:01.02 | DocScrutinizer | I wonder where's the friggin x-term |
| 15:01.41 | DocScrutinizer | quite obviously not in standard set op app icons - or I'm blind |
| 15:02.10 | Scifig | Doc - x-term is not shipped with the default image. You have to install it. I donno from where. |
| 15:02.35 | SpeedEvil | There is 'terminal' - in all of the RDA phones |
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| 15:03.27 | DocScrutinizer | indeed - I'm blind |
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| 15:04.18 | rm_work | i wonder if there is fingernail polish i could wear that would make my fingernails work with capacative screens |
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| 15:04.37 | SpeedEvil | rm_work: yes |
| 15:04.46 | rm_work | i hope it isn't super shiny T_T |
| 15:04.59 | rm_work | where do i get this, and will i look ridiculous wearing it? >_> |
| 15:05.07 | SpeedEvil | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Conductive-silver-glue-paint-/110708855088?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item19c6c31130 |
| 15:05.14 | rm_work | FSCK, silver, lol |
| 15:05.19 | SpeedEvil | oh |
| 15:06.01 | rm_work | omg even worse, it's glittery silver |
| 15:06.25 | rm_work | (looks like, hard to tell) |
| 15:08.46 | flux | maybe a narrow line in the interior of the fingernail would do :) |
| 15:10.17 | Shapeshifter | The CSSU is pretty cool. nice job. |
| 15:10.48 | timeless | derf: thanks |
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| 15:12.14 | sp3000 | timeless: hey |
| 15:12.46 | [DarkGUNMAN] | CSSU is just missing portrait desktop as a miain feature now |
| 15:12.47 | sp3000 | you seem to reliably ping when I'm in the work-to-home void ;) |
| 15:14.20 | timeless | h3h |
| 15:14.30 | timeless | is this a good time for better ping-pong? |
| 15:14.42 | timeless | still hasn't mastered the kinesis keyboard.. |
| 15:14.52 | timeless | sp3000: so... can i get you to adopt mxr.meeg? |
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| 15:16.47 | sp3000 | I'm not sure I can make any guarantees but I suppose I could poke at it from time to time if fires break out |
| 15:17.40 | timeless | now would be a good time |
| 15:17.47 | timeless | i'm told that certain things aren't updating |
| 15:18.02 | timeless | and yeah, you shouldn't need to poke at it regularly, just occasional fires |
| 15:18.09 | sp3000 | yeah, I saw some mail |
| 15:18.19 | timeless | if you could jump into the loop, that'd be great |
| 15:18.22 | timeless | thanks :) |
| 15:18.29 | sp3000 | is the loop on fire? |
| 15:18.30 | timeless | have you been on proper vacation? |
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| 15:18.46 | timeless | well, someone threatened to decomission the system if an owner didn't appear |
| 15:19.08 | timeless | that'd be like the box getting fired.. |
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| 15:19.20 | sp3000 | I vacation in about two weeks |
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| 15:20.07 | timeless | anything special planned? |
| 15:20.11 | timeless | needs to find some specs to read |
| 15:20.17 | sp3000 | never :) |
| 15:21.19 | timeless | chuckles |
| 15:21.37 | timeless | wonders if anyone has told Google that news.google.com [us edition] crashes ie10preview2 |
| 15:24.16 | timeless | ok, it's definitely the youtube previews and not fastflip |
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| 15:29.01 | timeless | oddly, "Spotlight Video" plays for a bit |
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| 15:30.34 | GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer, what was the timeline of your order placement and shipping notification? |
| 15:31.54 | timeless | http://www.thepostgame.com/features/201107/daredevil-squirrel-performs-ultimate-lambo-leap |
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| 15:33.38 | gri | DocScrutinizer51: no delivery yet? |
| 15:34.24 | DocScrutinizer | http://share.ovi.com/media/joerg900.public/joerg900.10131?sort=0 |
| 15:35.28 | gri | network timeout :/ |
| 15:35.39 | fiferboy | DocScrutinizer: Was there a long time between the "Your order has been received" and the "Your order has been sent" emails? |
| 15:36.14 | DocScrutinizer | 2h |
| 15:36.46 | fiferboy | Thanks |
| 15:37.43 | GeneralAntilles | fiferboy, wonder whose got shipped today. |
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| 15:38.36 | rm_work | i may have been like an hour too late |
| 15:38.38 | gri | mine not since the "order has been received" email was at 15:14 (fi time) |
| 15:38.39 | rm_work | :( |
| 15:39.24 | GeneralAntilles | 12:04 here. |
| 15:39.35 | khertan | no order has been sent |
| 15:39.50 | rm_work | was i like the last one here to actually order it? lol |
| 15:40.17 | fiferboy | GeneralAntilles: Maybe yours will be the one they ship tomorrow |
| 15:40.27 | GeneralAntilles | Makes it all a little irrelevant. |
| 15:40.34 | fiferboy | rm_work: Mine was ordered at about the same time |
| 15:40.47 | DocScrutinizer | GAN900: safe? |
| 15:41.06 | GeneralAntilles | Never safe. No, never safe. |
| 15:41.20 | DocScrutinizer | meh, Nuernberg is known |
| 15:41.28 | DocScrutinizer | otherwise... safe? |
| 15:42.36 | DocScrutinizer | otoh who cares about a finished obsolete DHL tracking |
| 15:42.57 | khertan | :) |
| 15:43.53 | timeless | GeneralAntilles: did you see http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2011-07-07-caylee-anthony-petition_n.htm?csp=34news ? |
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| 15:44.10 | DocScrutinizer | I bet you all prefer tracking your own package |
| 15:44.23 | GeneralAntilles | timeless, ugh. |
| 15:44.26 | GeneralAntilles | More laws. Just what we need. |
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| 15:44.45 | DocScrutinizer | the notification from DHL about the tracking number took quite some time after Nokia said "shipped" |
| 15:44.46 | timeless | you mean you don't support 1 new law for each person who dies in the USA? |
| 15:44.49 | GeneralAntilles | You know your rights are in danger when people name laws after dead kids. |
| 15:45.02 | mancha | on an n8x0, have diablo on int flash and chinook on external sd. product info no longer reports version info when i boot chinook. is there a way to correct this? |
| 15:45.04 | GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer, Nokia still says "New Order". |
| 15:45.13 | DocScrutinizer | :-( |
| 15:45.45 | DocScrutinizer | GeneralAntilles: I had to open the original order confirmation URL, from my browser history |
| 15:45.53 | fiferboy | Maybe they send out a huge batch at the end of the day and haven't updated the status |
| 15:45.55 | nid0 | I wish more delivery firms were like dpd, only decent parcel delivery service in the uk tbh |
| 15:46.00 | fiferboy | is thinking wishfully |
| 15:46.22 | DocScrutinizer | anyway the mails from nokia were "instant" |
| 15:46.51 | javispedro | hah, wishful thinking |
| 15:47.02 | mancha | i'm sure this has come up before, anyone here know the why and the how to correct on this issue? |
| 15:47.06 | javispedro | gentlemen, I am already with the idea that no device this weekend .. |
| 15:47.47 | khertan | ordered at 11:26 ... still not sent :) |
| 15:48.47 | hiemanshu | btw, orderd my N950 |
| 15:48.59 | hiemanshu | khertan: you too? |
| 15:49.03 | alterego | Just had an email from quim, they can't find me on the developer site, #win |
| 15:49.05 | khertan | there is now way to verify status ? |
| 15:49.13 | khertan | alterego, lol |
| 15:49.17 | hiemanshu | alterego: lol sad |
| 15:49.47 | wazd | guys, quick UX test. What's better this: http://s54.radikal.ru/i143/1107/82/dba5742921db.png |
| 15:49.50 | khertan | this dev site look like a crappy bulk of small development collapsed with some microsoft glue |
| 15:49.59 | javispedro | blames alterego, surely due to his problem he has been distracting the launchpad clerck and thus no shippings this afternoon. |
| 15:49.59 | hiemanshu | khertan: they would usually do it first thing in the morning tomorro |
| 15:50.02 | hiemanshu | tomorrow* |
| 15:50.05 | wazd | or this? http://i041.radikal.ru/1107/05/1a89873ae7e0.png |
| 15:50.25 | wazd | toolbar |
| 15:50.26 | khertan | wazd, ... hum ... i think i really need your help to help me design khteditor :) |
| 15:50.45 | alterego | Heh, yeah, the whole of Nokia is trying to sort out my account now :P sorry |
| 15:50.58 | khertan | wazd, i prefer the first |
| 15:51.01 | DocScrutinizer | A Nokia N950 is waiting for you-2011-07-06 08:58 Your order has been received-2011-07-06 10:33 Your order has been sent-2011-07-06 12:43 Ticket for order OID-0527-From:"joan.bondad@nokia-2011-07-06 12:44 DHL Intraship - Shipment notification-FROM:"joan.bondad@nokia-"joan.bondad@nokia |
| 15:51.11 | nid0 | wazd, firsr one imo |
| 15:51.18 | khertan | wazd, faster with less click ... and i didn't like menu in toolbar |
| 15:51.20 | javispedro | wazd, iphone-style tabs ( ;) ) not only seem to be more useful but alsomandated by swipe guidelines |
| 15:51.35 | wazd | khertan: don't you think it will be hard to tap on tabs on the n900? |
| 15:51.44 | timeless | wazd: can you gaurantee you'll never have > 3 items at the bottom? |
| 15:51.55 | timeless | and are you concerned about localization issues? |
| 15:51.56 | khertan | wazd, not specially ... look at khweeteur it s work well |
| 15:52.01 | wazd | timeless: that's why there's "more" button on the right :) |
| 15:52.02 | DocScrutinizer | ....2011-07-06 14:31 |
| 15:52.08 | khertan | wazd, the harder is the slider |
| 15:52.25 | timeless | wazd: oddly, the drop down list is likely to fail more often |
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| 15:52.30 | timeless | wrt internationalization |
| 15:52.33 | GeneralAntilles | wazd, the tabs. |
| 15:52.38 | Venemo_N900 | meh! |
| 15:52.42 | timeless | because the text there can easily be longer, and due to its larger font |
| 15:52.44 | hiemanshu | Venemo_N900: nothing yet? |
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| 15:52.47 | hiemanshu | GeneralAntilles: and you? |
| 15:52.51 | timeless | it'll run out of space faster |
| 15:52.57 | GeneralAntilles | hiemanshu, ordered, no shipment notification |
| 15:52.59 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: yours was shipped right away? |
| 15:53.03 | hiemanshu | GeneralAntilles: ah same here |
| 15:53.10 | timeless | iow, tabs are better |
| 15:53.11 | GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer, local time or Finnish time? |
| 15:53.16 | khertan | timeless, wazd , icon is enough ... no need text |
| 15:53.17 | DocScrutinizer | local |
| 15:53.30 | hiemanshu | GeneralAntilles: I orderd mine about an hour back, wonder if it will ship today or tomorrow |
| 15:53.32 | DocScrutinizer | so -1 to finish |
| 15:53.34 | mancha | GeneralAntilles i recall your nick from way back...any suggestions for me? |
| 15:53.35 | DocScrutinizer | er +1? |
| 15:53.40 | Venemo_N900 | hiemanshu, they received my order an hour ago |
| 15:53.46 | timeless | khertan: that's another story |
| 15:53.48 | Venemo_N900 | the meh was for something else |
| 15:53.52 | khertan | timeless, :) |
| 15:53.53 | DocScrutinizer | finnish* |
| 15:53.58 | GeneralAntilles | mancha, N8x0-era stuff is all gone from my brain. |
| 15:54.03 | timeless | but yeah, if back and more don't have text |
| 15:54.11 | timeless | then you probably shouldn't stick text in for the others |
| 15:54.13 | hiemanshu | Venemo_N900: ah nice |
| 15:54.23 | wazd | khertan: sure about labels? :) |
| 15:54.26 | timeless | wazd: fwiw, friends should be 2 or 3 heads, not one |
| 15:54.34 | mancha | GA, who here still runs stuff from the jurassic period then?! :) |
| 15:54.36 | Venemo_N900 | I was able to get my money back for my faulty HDD (that I purchased this morning) |
| 15:54.42 | timeless | and news might be better as a newspaper icon |
| 15:54.51 | GeneralAntilles | So, N950 waiting email was received at 11:56 (Finnish), Order Placed at 12:04 |
| 15:54.54 | GeneralAntilles | No further communication. |
| 15:55.15 | Venemo_N900 | but, all the shops here close at 17:00 (as if life just stopped at that time), so I couldn't get another one! |
| 15:55.21 | khertan | GeneralAntilles, same here |
| 15:55.21 | gri | I received "waiting for you" an hour after ordering - like all mails from nokia ... |
| 15:55.27 | wazd | timeless: yeah, these are just placeholders stolen from swipe UX doc :) |
| 15:55.35 | khertan | gri, also :)= |
| 15:55.42 | timeless | wazd: sure |
| 15:55.49 | hiemanshu | GeneralAntilles: I got mine, 15 mins after I left home fed up of doing the F5 shit, that was about noon .fi time |
| 15:56.19 | mancha | does qwerty still come here? |
| 15:56.20 | Venemo_N900 | so I guess they'll ship it next week? |
| 15:56.27 | hiemanshu | Venemo_N900: tomorrow? |
| 15:56.39 | Venemo_N900 | hiemanshu, at friday? |
| 15:56.41 | wazd | also hidden "online only" switch at the top seems neat to me but I don't know how to initialy introduce it to the user |
| 15:56.49 | hiemanshu | Venemo_N900: why not? |
| 15:56.51 | wazd | maybe some animation sequene |
| 15:56.51 | GeneralAntilles | mancha, he rage-quit. |
| 15:56.53 | wazd | ce* |
| 15:57.01 | mancha | woah |
| 15:57.09 | Venemo_N900 | hiemanshu, so you think we'll get it tomorrow? |
| 15:57.17 | timeless | wazd: i'm not sure i see value in it |
| 15:57.24 | timeless | if you're already sorting by online status, then who cares? |
| 15:57.25 | hiemanshu | Venemo_N900: no shipping tomorrow, so it will arrive by monday |
| 15:57.36 | hiemanshu | Venemo_N900: or if the place its being sent to works on saturdays |
| 15:57.40 | mancha | what raged him? |
| 15:57.47 | timeless | if you aren't sorting by online status, then what are you sorting on, and why? |
| 15:58.03 | wazd | timeless: well, I was thinking about alphabet order instead |
| 15:58.08 | GeneralAntilles | mancha, Nokia, I guess. |
| 15:58.13 | mancha | hah |
| 15:58.23 | timeless | wazd: the n900 let me choose |
| 15:58.24 | Venemo_N900 | hiemanshu, I'm not sure if DHL works on weekends. |
| 15:58.25 | mancha | ok, thanks, will try here some other time. |
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| 15:58.44 | timeless | but roughly, i'm probably going to want to care about online status only if i want to sort by it |
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| 15:58.56 | timeless | otherwise if i want alphabetic order, i don't want people appearing/disappearing as i go |
| 15:59.03 | hiemanshu | Venemo_N900: friday is not a weekend |
| 15:59.05 | wazd | timeless: between status and alphabet? |
| 15:59.07 | timeless | iow there's no reason to hide offline users |
| 15:59.13 | hiemanshu | Venemo_N900: and they work on weekends, just no delivery |
| 15:59.22 | timeless | because if you sort by online status, then the offline people are at the bottom (generally out of view) |
| 15:59.22 | hiemanshu | Venemo_N900: atleast in India they do |
| 15:59.26 | khertan | hiemanshu, http://forum.notebookreview.com/dell/157332-does-dhl-deliver-saturday.html |
| 15:59.27 | timeless | and otherwise, they're with everyone else |
| 15:59.32 | wazd | timeless: well, there is if you have zillion of users |
| 15:59.33 | timeless | which is where they should be |
| 15:59.38 | Venemo_N900 | hiemanshu, so what are they doing? if no delivery? |
| 15:59.43 | timeless | wazd: i only have 1000 |
| 15:59.45 | timeless | it's never been a problem |
| 15:59.51 | hiemanshu | Venemo_N900: moving between airports and warehouses |
| 15:59.54 | wazd | timeless: my IM contact list has offline users hidden :) |
| 16:00.19 | Venemo_N900 | hiemanshu, but no deliveries... damn. |
| 16:00.21 | timeless | wazd: my AIM list 15 years ago had a group for offline which i could expand/collapse |
| 16:00.23 | wazd | timeless: heh :) |
| 16:00.23 | timeless | if you want to do: |
| 16:00.30 | hiemanshu | Venemo_N900: in India they work even sundays yeah |
| 16:00.35 | timeless | <active [collapsable]> |
| 16:00.37 | GeneralAntilles | Cutoff might be 12:00 for outgoing orders. |
| 16:00.40 | timeless | <idle [collapsable]> |
| 16:00.44 | timeless | <dnd [...]> |
| 16:00.49 | timeless | <offline [...]> |
| 16:00.50 | timeless | feel free |
| 16:00.58 | timeless | there's minimal harm in that |
| 16:01.04 | timeless | a single widget at the top of the list otoh is harmful |
| 16:01.05 | GeneralAntilles | Hrm, although if this guy's in Poland: http://wiki.meego.com/User:Kdrozd - Device Ordered - 6.7.2011 13:45: Last Status: Device Sent to Customer 6.7.2011 13:45 . . . |
| 16:01.08 | hiemanshu | GeneralAntilles: true, well will have my monday so YAY! |
| 16:01.13 | timeless | making me scroll all the way to the top of my online list |
| 16:01.20 | timeless | just to unhide a list at the bottom |
| 16:01.21 | timeless | is ... stupid |
| 16:01.43 | wazd | timeless: maybe you're right :) |
| 16:02.01 | timeless | i'm just noting how AIM/ICQ did things years ago |
| 16:02.08 | timeless | their ui designers weren't wrong |
| 16:02.33 | hiemanshu | so the DHL india site tells me the delivery is by end of the next day |
| 16:02.35 | timeless | (their corporate people otoh chose to be bought/sold a couple of times, which was a different problem)( |
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| 16:03.32 | GeneralAntilles | hiemanshu, next BUSINESS day, usually. |
| 16:03.47 | hiemanshu | GeneralAntilles: in India, saturday is a business day |
| 16:03.57 | hiemanshu | GeneralAntilles: so if its ships tomorrow, I should have it by saturday |
| 16:04.13 | wazd | timeless: I'm not sure if Swipe UX has such thig as collapsable group |
| 16:04.16 | Venemo_N900 | hiemanshu, so if nokia sends the device tomorrow, I'll get it monday. since it's international shipping, that may be tuesday. |
| 16:04.26 | DocScrutinizer | one last thing before I head out: you asked how I like it - well, no app close :-(. No uSD slot :-(. 8GB MyDocs :-( I feel like I could fall in love with kbd and don't like capacitive ts, invariably. No text highlight and c&p anywhere (well that's probably prone to change as this is PROTOTYPE) |
| 16:04.27 | timeless | wazd: note sure what Swipe is |
| 16:04.30 | alterego | hiemanshu: they always say a week, but it's usually next day if ordered before 3pm |
| 16:04.30 | timeless | s/note/not/ |
| 16:04.41 | timeless | but generally most things do have such a widget |
| 16:04.52 | timeless | it's basically a section header which is tappable |
| 16:05.02 | Venemo_N900 | DocScrutinizer, so it's a dislike so far? |
| 16:05.03 | hiemanshu | alterego: yes, since I ordered it around 6PM .fi time, It will be shipped tomorrow, and I should it by saturday or monday |
| 16:05.08 | timeless | if it doesn't have it, you can cheat and do: |
| 16:05.10 | DocScrutinizer | mostly |
| 16:05.15 | timeless | <option [on-off]> |
| 16:05.19 | DocScrutinizer | but that's my PoV |
| 16:05.22 | timeless | <list - only visible if option is on> |
| 16:05.26 | timeless | <option ... |
| 16:05.27 | alterego | hiemanshu: yeah :) |
| 16:05.27 | wazd | timeless: fancy name for Harmattan UI :) |
| 16:05.28 | timeless | ... list> |
| 16:05.30 | timeless | <repeat> |
| 16:05.34 | Venemo_N900 | DocScrutinizer, mhm |
| 16:05.48 | timeless | wazd: certainly BlackBerry has this widget |
| 16:05.49 | Venemo_N900 | DocScrutinizer, no app close? wut? |
| 16:05.53 | hiemanshu | alterego: if its in my town, I wouldn't mind picking it up from anywhere in BLR :P |
| 16:05.54 | DocScrutinizer | the ME and ID is awesome |
| 16:06.06 | timeless | as does windows |
| 16:06.16 | rm_work | man, all the people that are commenting "shame it doesn't run something useful like Win7" make me want to give up on life |
| 16:06.19 | hiemanshu | alterego: mind you, my city end to end is about 40-ish KMs |
| 16:06.39 | Venemo_N900 | timeless, is it true that you quit Nokia? I recall hearing that from someone. |
| 16:06.41 | alterego | Heh |
| 16:06.43 | DocScrutinizer | the GUI is basically not that bad |
| 16:06.53 | timeless | Venemo_N900: I work for RIM |
| 16:06.56 | DocScrutinizer | GUI designers did a hell of a job |
| 16:07.06 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: so how do you like your N950 so far? |
| 16:07.10 | alterego | DocScrutinizer: that's like a major certification coming from you :P |
| 16:07.13 | DocScrutinizer | except missing c&p ;-) |
| 16:07.19 | Venemo_N900 | timeless, ahh, so it's true |
| 16:07.21 | alterego | heh |
| 16:07.24 | rm_work | shouldn't it be RiM? |
| 16:07.27 | rm_work | >_> |
| 16:07.39 | GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer, tap and hold on task switcher to close applications. |
| 16:07.48 | DocScrutinizer | swipe-from-top to close apps and I might like the GUI |
| 16:07.48 | timeless | rm_work: for whatever reason, it isn't |
| 16:08.00 | rm_work | strange |
| 16:08.03 | fiferboy | DocScrutinizer: Apparently you can turn that on somewhere |
| 16:08.18 | DocScrutinizer | that's why I say it |
| 16:08.25 | fiferboy | It is off by default AFAIK |
| 16:08.37 | Venemo_N900 | timeless, is it any better than Nokia? |
| 16:08.43 | gri | didn't someone say "not in the current firmware" (the close swipe) |
| 16:08.47 | timeless | Venemo_N900: quite a bit |
| 16:08.52 | timeless | but Nokia set such a low standard... |
| 16:08.56 | Venemo_N900 | timeless :) |
| 16:09.07 | Venemo_N900 | was it that bad? |
| 16:09.17 | fiferboy | gri: I hadn't heard that, but it could be true |
| 16:09.23 | hiemanshu | did MohammadAG order his yet? |
| 16:09.28 | wazd | timeless: http://s47.radikal.ru/i117/1107/de/7389bc4b1e28.png |
| 16:09.31 | DocScrutinizer | is going to take this Odyssey2001 Monolith to next pup and having a dinner o/ |
| 16:09.43 | DocScrutinizer | pub* |
| 16:09.45 | wazd | timeless: but I don't know if it's collapsable or not |
| 16:09.55 | timeless | wazd: add a pill to collapse it |
| 16:10.07 | khertan | wazd, and removing the bounded rectangle arround the back button ? |
| 16:10.29 | wazd | khertan: that's against UX rules :) |
| 16:10.39 | timeless | http://www.top4download.com/softwareimages/ptzpfksf.png' |
| 16:10.46 | timeless | s/'/ / |
| 16:10.54 | GeneralAntilles | gri/fiferboy/DocScrutinizer, think it's in a later firmware. |
| 16:10.56 | rm_work | yesplz |
| 16:11.05 | timeless | http://images.six.betanews.com/screenshots/1005820960-1.gif |
| 16:11.05 | DocScrutinizer | GeneralAntilles: I know about tap&hold in taskswitcher - nuisance |
| 16:11.25 | wazd | timeless: yeah I know what you're talking about but I don't know if I can make it with default widgets :) |
| 16:11.31 | GeneralAntilles | The swipe-to-close. |
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| 16:11.39 | DocScrutinizer | yo |
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| 16:11.42 | timeless | just showing that it's a fairly standard ui convention for such a task |
| 16:11.43 | Venemo_N900 | that'd be more convenient without haping to tap&hold methinks |
| 16:12.07 | timeless | wazd: you can implement it by just letting people tap the title to collapse |
| 16:12.09 | hiemanshu | wazd: you know Jolie 0_0 |
| 16:12.34 | timeless | (assuming your UX toolkit designers are idiots and didn't provide a proper widget) |
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| 16:14.11 | DocScrutinizer | one last thing... what was the magic incantation to become root on aegis platform like m6? |
| 16:14.36 | Corsac | DocScrutinizer: isn't there a menu for that? |
| 16:14.51 | wazd | hiemanshu: yep, 'ol pals :) |
| 16:14.53 | DocScrutinizer | WUT? |
| 16:15.11 | hiemanshu | wazd: get me a date with her pretty please :D |
| 16:15.28 | timeless | aegis-bless? :) |
| 16:15.30 | Corsac | DocScrutinizer: in âsecurityâ or something, you can enable root acces, afair |
| 16:15.39 | DocScrutinizer | nope |
| 16:15.40 | Corsac | DocScrutinizer: or you can send it to me and I'll do it for you :) |
| 16:15.53 | wazd | timeless: yep, one of the options |
| 16:16.03 | DocScrutinizer | frals: ping |
| 16:16.10 | DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: ping |
| 16:16.14 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: ping |
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| 16:16.58 | DocScrutinizer | was it aegis-exec? |
| 16:17.22 | DocScrutinizer | su doesn't work for usual reasons, no sudo |
| 16:17.35 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: ssh root@localhost? |
| 16:17.39 | SpeedEvil | I ssh'd into it at root@localhost |
| 16:17.42 | DocScrutinizer | eeeek |
| 16:17.44 | SpeedEvil | then rootme as a password |
| 16:17.49 | hiemanshu | ^ |
| 16:17.49 | DocScrutinizer | thanks |
| 16:17.50 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 16:17.58 | hiemanshu | that works on RDA atleast |
| 16:18.01 | SpeedEvil | yeah |
| 16:18.11 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: and there is devel-su or developer-su something |
| 16:18.55 | DocScrutinizer | devel-su \o/ |
| 16:19.05 | DocScrutinizer | hiemanshu: thanks pal! |
| 16:19.55 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: found a way to kill aegis yet? |
| 16:20.07 | DocScrutinizer | you prolly can't |
| 16:20.21 | DocScrutinizer | anyway devel-su works |
| 16:20.26 | DocScrutinizer | bbl |
| 16:20.32 | timeless | hiemanshu: root@ shouldn't work |
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| 16:20.38 | timeless | because "root" isn't actually "root" |
| 16:20.39 | hiemanshu | timeless: it does |
| 16:20.48 | timeless | it shouldn't |
| 16:20.53 | timeless | it certainly didn't at one point.. |
| 16:20.56 | hiemanshu | shouldn't yes, it does though |
| 16:21.04 | vdv | does flashing n900 with combined affect phonebook? |
| 16:21.21 | timeless | vdv: "combined" means "supports non shipping hardware" |
| 16:21.27 | timeless | (more or less) |
| 16:21.43 | DocScrutinizer | vdv: no |
| 16:21.49 | timeless | your phonebook is either in the SIM or in a part of your home directory |
| 16:21.52 | timeless | that part should be in your eMMC |
| 16:21.58 | timeless | which isn't part of "Combined" |
| 16:22.02 | DocScrutinizer | vdv: nevertheless make a backup |
| 16:22.07 | vdv | ok, thanks |
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| 16:22.14 | timeless | but yeah, make a backup |
| 16:22.30 | vdv | i've did already :) |
| 16:23.08 | timeless | also, be aware that reflashing results in strange state for any apps which are optified |
| 16:23.17 | timeless | (which should be most of them) |
| 16:24.13 | Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: pong |
| 16:24.23 | DocScrutinizer | su, solved |
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| 16:28.45 | khertan | Wahuo ... i really made a huge progress with QML ... 5 hours today to reproduce a QToolBar with QPushButton with label or icon ... QML is really an amazing framework for loosing time |
| 16:28.51 | alterego | |
| 16:29.08 | timeless | khertan: s/loosing/losing/ |
| 16:29.10 | fiferboy | alterego: Pardon? |
| 16:29.19 | timeless | and official speak for that is "spending" :) |
| 16:29.21 | fiferboy | 12:28 < alterego> |
| 16:29.30 | khertan | thx timeless :) |
| 16:29.41 | DocScrutinizer | TX4 :-o |
| 16:29.54 | hiemanshu | it would be awesome to have a Nokia Meego Tablet, /me dreams about one |
| 16:30.11 | timeless | hiemanshu: s/Meego/MeeGo/g |
| 16:30.37 | hiemanshu | timeless: hey you nazi, MEH |
| 16:30.40 | hiemanshu | runs |
| 16:30.54 | timeless | objects to the term |
| 16:30.57 | timeless | lodges a formal protest |
| 16:31.14 | timeless | (shooting first would be tantamount to accepting the accusation) |
| 16:32.05 | DocScrutinizer | achipa: I did proper unboxing. How to actually push my fingernail in somewhere? |
| 16:32.42 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: 1) grow your nail, 2) make it sharp 3) push it in 4) ?????? 5) profit :D |
| 16:34.12 | DocScrutinizer | MEH! |
| 16:34.38 | hiemanshu | lol |
| 16:35.45 | DocScrutinizer | closes SIM slot and undoes unboxing ala achipa |
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| 16:38.15 | gri | DocScrutinizer: only n950 + manual + usb cable in the box? (on your pictures) |
| 16:38.30 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 16:39.04 | DocScrutinizer | crappy ca-159 cable |
| 16:39.22 | DocScrutinizer | ca-101 is way nicer, in my book |
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| 16:50.44 | javispedro | No N950 waiting for you today! |
| 16:50.49 | DocScrutinizer51 | GAN900: shuttle tomorrow? got postponed? |
| 16:51.08 | GeneralAntilles | Supposed to rain for the rest of the week. |
| 16:52.09 | javispedro | Nor tomorrow! |
| 16:54.06 | piggz | \o/ got my order confirmation today :) |
| 16:55.04 | hiemanshu | piggz: shipped? |
| 16:55.45 | trx | mine isn't sent yet :/ |
| 16:56.07 | trx | i guess ill have to wait until monday for it to arrive |
| 16:56.13 | hiemanshu | trx: almost nobodys got shipped today |
| 16:56.30 | RST38h | Moo all |
| 16:56.32 | hiemanshu | trx: so should be done first thing tomorrow I expect |
| 16:56.41 | RST38h | So, anythingnew and exciting going on? First N950s out? |
| 16:56.45 | trx | yeah.. |
| 16:57.00 | trx | RST38h DocScrutinizer got his n950 |
| 16:57.06 | RST38h | Ah |
| 16:57.45 | hiemanshu | RST38h: and ours willl ship tomorrow mostly |
| 16:58.32 | piggz | hiemanshu: las t status is 'order recived' |
| 16:58.50 | hiemanshu | piggz: so yeah, ships tomorrow morning mostly |
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| 17:01.42 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, some Polish dude got his N950 shipped. |
| 17:01.44 | GeneralAntilles | That's new. |
| 17:01.48 | RST38h | hm |
| 17:01.48 | hiemanshu | piggz: so now the F5 shifts to the order status page, then the DHL page, and finally sitting on the pavement with the laptop :P |
| 17:02.03 | hiemanshu | GeneralAntilles: today? |
| 17:02.07 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, |
| 17:02.13 | hiemanshu | GeneralAntilles: any idea what time? |
| 17:02.19 | GeneralAntilles | http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/Community_device_program/Nokia |
| 17:02.25 | GeneralAntilles | See the bottom |
| 17:02.31 | GeneralAntilles | Krzysiek Drozd |
| 17:02.34 | GeneralAntilles | 13:45 |
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| 17:02.40 | GeneralAntilles | Dunno if that's local or Finnish. |
| 17:03.20 | piggz | hiemanshu: its gonna be hard...im away from home next week on a course so i wont get it!!!!!!!!! |
| 17:03.30 | hiemanshu | piggz: thats just bad |
| 17:03.45 | hiemanshu | GeneralAntilles: he ordered it the yest right |
| 17:04.17 | GeneralAntilles | Ah, he did indeed. |
| 17:04.19 | GeneralAntilles | Damn ISO dates. |
| 17:04.27 | javispedro | I'm sure they have run out of money overnight delivery either way. |
| 17:04.33 | javispedro | *for. |
| 17:04.50 | hiemanshu | javispedro: whats the status with your N950? |
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| 17:05.03 | hiemanshu | and nokia running out of money, lol no, M$ will pay them to make more phones |
| 17:05.04 | javispedro | same as yours and GeneralAntilles, we're on the same batch for some reason. |
| 17:05.14 | javispedro | (aka LP yesterday, today device ordered) |
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| 17:05.52 | hiemanshu | mine was LP the day before |
| 17:06.04 | hiemanshu | but yeah, hoping they ship it tomorrow morning |
| 17:06.17 | alterego | "No programs" :( |
| 17:06.43 | javispedro | ah well. |
| 17:06.58 | javispedro | alterego, we are not getting them this week either. |
| 17:07.12 | piggz | so, i put an n900 app on ovi store for 1e several months ago...i got ~40 sales total, so i made it free 3 days ago, and have had almost 200 downloads.....bloody tight n900 owners ;) |
| 17:07.30 | javispedro | piggz, which app, ifyou are willing to share? |
| 17:08.11 | piggz | http://store.ovi.com/content/84103 |
| 17:08.39 | hiemanshu | so can we use the devices we get even to test the commerical apps? (other than the OSS stuff I write) |
| 17:10.12 | piggz | i dont know....but there is nothing wrong with selling oss stuff on ovi store, so long as the source is available afaict, think of it as performing the compilation/packaging service ;) |
| 17:10.24 | GAN900 | piggz, we're used to free applications. |
| 17:10.57 | piggz | yeah, its amazing the difference being free makes |
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| 17:14.57 | piggz | my master plan is to write some shitty games, make millions on ovi store, then spend the rest of my life contributing to oss work free :) |
| 17:15.10 | jonwil | getting somewhere with cloning some MCE plugins. |
| 17:15.27 | jonwil | Gotta stop being distracted by old Warner cartoons on YouTube though :P |
| 17:15.46 | MohammadAG | who got an email today? |
| 17:15.58 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: I did, so did GeneralAntilles, piggz, javispedro etc |
| 17:16.08 | MohammadAG | grumbles |
| 17:16.15 | piggz | jonwil: you gould get distracted with 'the key of awesome' on youtube...i reccomend it |
| 17:16.22 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: nothing yet? |
| 17:16.26 | MohammadAG | Guess I won't be getting it soon |
| 17:16.47 | piggz | hiemanshu: it will come :) ... be happy that even tho i have my email, you will get your phone first as i am away next week :( |
| 17:17.01 | piggz | s/ hiemanshu / MohammadAG |
| 17:17.03 | MohammadAG | I'm away for a month |
| 17:17.19 | MohammadAG | so no, you'll actually get it first |
| 17:17.33 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: when do you go away? |
| 17:17.40 | MohammadAG | sunday |
| 17:17.45 | MohammadAG | monday/tuesday max |
| 17:17.57 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: ship yours to me, I'll send it back laterz :P |
| 17:18.43 | MohammadAG | sure |
| 17:19.26 | piggz | what is the support for plain qt like on harmatten? |
| 17:19.36 | piggz | is the meego touch theme included to make it nice? |
| 17:19.42 | hiemanshu | nope |
| 17:19.46 | hiemanshu | only qt-componenets |
| 17:20.08 | jonwil | so basically you cant write vanilla QT ala Fremantle? |
| 17:20.10 | piggz | oh |
| 17:20.16 | jonwil | you have to go through QML? |
| 17:20.17 | piggz | that suck a little |
| 17:20.22 | hiemanshu | jonwil: no QWidgets aren't themed |
| 17:20.33 | OkropNick | is a proper cable enough to connect to N900 pendrive or some hacks are needed? |
| 17:20.38 | hiemanshu | so its QML only |
| 17:21.07 | jonwil | ok, so the answer then is for someone to take the Harmattan QWidget code and add bits to make it themed :P |
| 17:21.11 | piggz | well, that adds a new dimension to my project |
| 17:21.17 | hiemanshu | OkropNick: if you make the connection yes, you sually need the female usb to female usb |
| 17:21.34 | piggz | jonwil: meegoce has meegotouch theme |
| 17:21.51 | OkropNick | hiemanshu: thanks |
| 17:21.59 | hiemanshu | piggz: jonwil: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=3520 |
| 17:22.00 | javispedro | piggz, and it shipped with the harmattan sdk, but nokia seems to want to remove it to encourage qml adoption |
| 17:22.09 | hiemanshu | piggz: that is unmaintained, so being removed |
| 17:22.33 | piggz | hiemanshu: i thought someone was taking it on again |
| 17:22.51 | hiemanshu | piggz: me and khertan were, but there will no harmattan support, so MEH |
| 17:23.07 | hiemanshu | piggz: learn qt-components instead, ?????, PROFIT :D |
| 17:23.13 | piggz | hmmm |
| 17:23.17 | javispedro | either way ,due to the way harmattan works, using qwidget is as native as using gtk+ |
| 17:23.18 | piggz | im all for that |
| 17:23.26 | hiemanshu | jonwil: right |
| 17:23.28 | hiemanshu | err |
| 17:23.31 | hiemanshu | javispedro: ^ |
| 17:23.49 | piggz | but, i have to qwidget based apps to port, somehow |
| 17:23.55 | piggz | ah well, it adds a new dimension |
| 17:24.00 | javispedro | maemo has thousand gtk+ apps ;) |
| 17:25.36 | cehteh | hundreds :P |
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| 17:27.43 | gri | so will qt-components support the same customization possibilities as meegotouch? like "the theme decides where the back/close button is"? |
| 17:27.58 | gri | (have no idea where to ask/google) |
| 17:28.35 | hiemanshu | gri: you could do a full screen widget, and draw it yourself |
| 17:29.24 | jonwil | I know of a number of maemo apps that render their own close button |
| 17:29.34 | gri | I meant a different behavior |
| 17:30.02 | gri | for example I have meego ce on the n900 with the meego ce theme and start widgetsgallyery: close button on top right and back button on top left |
| 17:30.26 | gri | when I copy the blanco theme from qemu to meego ce, the close button disappears and the back button goes to bottom left like on the n9 |
| 17:30.28 | javispedro | gri, evidently, with qml you are the owner of your client area, and the client area on harmattan is the entire screen. |
| 17:30.35 | piggz | hiemanshu: all may not be lost for qt/c++ ... http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/harmattan-beta/free/m/meegotouch-qt-style/ |
| 17:30.50 | hiemanshu | piggz: well you can use QML with C++ |
| 17:31.00 | piggz | yes, i know, and have |
| 17:31.12 | piggz | but, for one lagacy project i have it will be v v difficult |
| 17:31.18 | hiemanshu | piggz: well lets see how that goes once I get my device |
| 17:31.37 | piggz | (kexi database viewer on mobile devices) |
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| 17:31.40 | hiemanshu | yeah, I need quassel2go and rewriting it in QML is meh |
| 17:32.42 | piggz | i could write the ui in qml, but the report viewer paints onto a qwidget (which would be possible in qml..), but the autoform plugin for mobile devices is qwidget based |
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| 17:34.25 | gri | javispedro: It doesn't matter if I own the client area ... does qt-components handle the same theme behavior like meegotouch? |
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| 17:35.59 | maemo | hello |
| 17:36.14 | MohammadAG | WTF |
| 17:36.20 | khertan | gri, no ideatically ... but harmattan qt component take care of harmattan theme ... |
| 17:36.22 | MohammadAG | hiemanshu, N950 in devices list |
| 17:36.25 | MohammadAG | but no email |
| 17:36.30 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: hah |
| 17:36.43 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: well let me email you my address, so you can ship it to me :P |
| 17:36.46 | khertan | gri, meego tablet component take care of meego tablet component |
| 17:36.46 | MohammadAG | wow, expensive |
| 17:36.55 | khertan | gri, fragmentation ... :) |
| 17:36.56 | MohammadAG | 0.00 |
| 17:36.59 | hiemanshu | expensive? |
| 17:37.00 | hiemanshu | :P |
| 17:37.01 | Pauly_ | who got the n950 yet? |
| 17:37.31 | hiemanshu | Pauly_: DocScrutinizer, Jaffa, X-Fade and quite a few of us while it in a few days |
| 17:37.55 | MohammadAG | hiemanshu, yes |
| 17:38.14 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: order it :D |
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| 17:38.19 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: and it should ship tomorrow mostly |
| 17:38.21 | Pauly_ | yeah, well i got the n900 haha only fifty numbers away |
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| 17:38.37 | javispedro | gri, yes. |
| 17:38.56 | javispedro | hiemanshu, optimist again. |
| 17:39.05 | Venemo | is there a way I can review the NDA for the N950 again? |
| 17:39.09 | gri | This means qml apps and meegotouch apps on harmattan look the same - and also on meego ce? |
| 17:39.10 | hiemanshu | javispedro: DocScrutinizer's shipped within 10 mins |
| 17:39.19 | gri | Venemo: In your developer settings |
| 17:39.31 | hiemanshu | javispedro: ordered yest, got it today morning, so yes, optimistic here |
| 17:39.32 | alterego | javispedro: they can't seem to find my nokia developer account :/ |
| 17:39.46 | hiemanshu | Venemo: go to orders, click on it, there should be agreements something |
| 17:40.08 | Venemo | hiemanshu: where is "orders"? |
| 17:40.16 | hiemanshu | Venemo: ddp page |
| 17:40.20 | Pauly_ | hows the webkit browser? |
| 17:40.28 | gri | javispedro: So qt-components puts the back button on top left on meego-ce theme? |
| 17:40.36 | Venemo | hiemanshu: which is the ddp page? for sure, it's not https://www.developer.nokia.com/Profile/premium_profile.xhtml |
| 17:40.36 | MohammadAG | infobot, n950order |
| 17:40.36 | infobot | i heard n950order is https://forumnokia.secure.force.com/apex/ProductDetailByName?productName=Nokia+N950 and wait for "internal error" changing to something wonderful eventually :-) |
| 17:40.46 | javispedro | Venemo, there's no NDA for N950, there's only: a) generic NDA for Launchpad b ) "generic agreement" for N950. |
| 17:40.48 | hiemanshu | Venemo: ^ |
| 17:40.49 | MohammadAG | hiemanshu, after entering the address |
| 17:40.58 | Venemo | ah! |
| 17:40.59 | javispedro | a) can be seen on Profile, b can be seen in order page. |
| 17:41.00 | MohammadAG | there's no "Confirm order"? |
| 17:41.04 | Venemo | thx hiemanshu and MohammadAG |
| 17:41.06 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: there should be an email |
| 17:41.16 | javispedro | MohammadAG, there's both a confirm order and order shipped mails |
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| 17:41.28 | javispedro | the latter of which has not arrived for a majority yet. |
| 17:41.53 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: and yes there is a confirm order page, I even have a print out of it |
| 17:42.14 | hiemanshu | Venemo: https://forumnokia.secure.force.com/ProductOrders this page |
| 17:44.22 | javispedro | gri, no =) |
| 17:44.47 | gri | :( I liked that about meegotouch .. |
| 17:45.21 | MohammadAG | hiemanshu, that's order confirmed |
| 17:45.33 | MohammadAG | I wanted something with a "Confirm order?" |
| 17:45.33 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: yeah, no page in between |
| 17:45.39 | MohammadAG | something to confirm my payment |
| 17:46.03 | hiemanshu | you dont have to pay |
| 17:46.08 | hiemanshu | so no page in between |
| 17:46.11 | piggz | MohammadAG: did you read the terms? |
| 17:46.12 | MohammadAG | yes I do, 0 |
| 17:46.13 | javispedro | you bank will confirm your $0 payment. |
| 17:46.13 | Pauly_ | i want n8 lol |
| 17:46.29 | MohammadAG | piggz, no, I copied them into gedit, agreed, will read them after that |
| 17:46.33 | Pauly_ | im jealouse i want an n950 :) have fun with it |
| 17:46.38 | MohammadAG | that way I can't decline, even if I want to |
| 17:46.41 | Pauly_ | * afk |
| 17:46.57 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: you can download it as a pdf |
| 17:46.58 | wazd | I want E6 :) |
| 17:47.07 | javispedro | MohammadAG, they say something about giving one of your kidneys to Elop, and you already agreed. |
| 17:47.11 | hiemanshu | I want a X7 |
| 17:47.18 | javispedro | I want a N950. |
| 17:47.32 | piggz | and something about allowing to be made into a human centipede |
| 17:47.33 | javispedro | and you are all traitor-bastards ;P |
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| 17:47.34 | hiemanshu | javispedro: meh, my kidney is mostly alcohol by now, so really meh |
| 17:47.35 | wazd | but I have serious addiction to qwerty-candybars so don't listen to me :) |
| 17:47.37 | MohammadAG | I learned something about legal english |
| 17:47.43 | MohammadAG | when they say You |
| 17:47.45 | DocScrutinizer | there's no ovi share for n950, and no irc in messages |
| 17:47.47 | MohammadAG | it doesn't mean you, it means You |
| 17:47.58 | MohammadAG | there's no IRC client |
| 17:48.02 | javispedro | no surprises. |
| 17:48.08 | MohammadAG | there's communi |
| 17:48.17 | MohammadAG | build & run |
| 17:48.25 | javispedro | as Jaffa way more kindly put, it's completely useless for day to day usage ;) |
| 17:48.27 | wazd | MohammadAG: 16Gb, no IRC, screw them, I'm cancelling my order :D |
| 17:48.38 | hiemanshu | wazd: send it to me |
| 17:49.07 | hiemanshu | wazd: ssh + irssi |
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| 17:49.17 | MohammadAG | javispedro, didn't I say that over PM to you the other day? :P |
| 17:49.19 | wazd | hiemanshu: what comes to Russia stays in Russia :D |
| 17:49.22 | hiemanshu | wazd: ssh + alpine |
| 17:49.32 | DocScrutinizer | MEH lockscreen font missing "9" |
| 17:49.42 | MohammadAG | LOL |
| 17:49.47 | wazd | heh |
| 17:49.49 | DocScrutinizer | >1 :4 < |
| 17:49.51 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer, lol, they weren't lying when they made that 3000 bugs estimation. |
| 17:49.54 | hiemanshu | lol |
| 17:50.36 | wazd | DEVELOPER EDITION label has all necessary symbols though |
| 17:50.37 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, this is probably to prevent 9:11 conspiracies |
| 17:50.50 | DocScrutinizer | 1 :58 -> 1 :5 -> 20:00 |
| 17:50.51 | MohammadAG | DEVELOPER EDITION is the most awesomest thing ever |
| 17:51.10 | hiemanshu | after elop |
| 17:51.34 | DocScrutinizer | o/ |
| 17:51.42 | hiemanshu | also WTF @ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-T_w_QXXms |
| 17:51.47 | MohammadAG | where's the DHL number? |
| 17:52.31 | wazd | hiemanshu: prank :) |
| 17:52.37 | hiemanshu | wazd: I know |
| 17:52.45 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: you'll have to wait till it ships tomorrow |
| 17:52.50 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: or whenever it ships |
| 17:53.02 | wazd | hiemanshu: he's rnot talking bout n9 actually :) |
| 17:53.12 | javispedro | it will ship the 32th |
| 17:53.14 | hiemanshu | wazd: yeah |
| 17:53.20 | hiemanshu | javispedro: 32nd |
| 17:53.37 | javispedro | stupid subconscious thiking a way larger number. |
| 17:53.47 | hiemanshu | lol |
| 17:54.28 | DocScrutinizer51 | the > . 1 . 20 < |
| 17:55.01 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: fix it? reverse the 6, and put it in there :P |
| 17:55.05 | javispedro | Nokia N , isn't it ironic |
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| 17:55.20 | DocScrutinizer51 | LOL |
| 17:55.30 | DocScrutinizer51 | Nokia N 50 |
| 17:55.42 | hiemanshu | javispedro: I cant wait for my Nokia 00 to not be exchanged for N |
| 17:55.46 | hiemanshu | s/not// |
| 17:57.08 | Pauly_ | ? |
| 17:57.27 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: hey dawg, I heard you like numbers, so we removed the biggest one we could find, love, Nokia |
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| 17:58.38 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: errr, should have been to you ^ :P |
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| 17:59.18 | frals | sometimes i wonder why they picked 22-6 to be the developer release.. :p |
| 17:59.49 | MohammadAG | frals, got any other version to sure |
| 18:00.00 | MohammadAG | share?* :P |
| 18:00.10 | hiemanshu | frals: isn't that the day after the N950 was announced? |
| 18:00.21 | hiemanshu | N9{,50} |
| 18:00.23 | frals | MohammadAG: no :p |
| 18:00.46 | MohammadAG | frals, don't worry, this channel isn't logged, much |
| 18:00.51 | MohammadAG | kicks povbot |
| 18:01.08 | MohammadAG | see? |
| 18:01.12 | hiemanshu | frals: we could go to a new channel if you like to share the juicy details |
| 18:01.28 | frals | MohammadAG: and half of the userlist is nokians ;-) |
| 18:01.44 | hiemanshu | frals: new channel :P |
| 18:01.49 | MohammadAG | frals, they're idling :P |
| 18:02.05 | MohammadAG | Elop says, join ##n950leaks for more |
| 18:02.20 | MohammadAG | they probably ignore sentences with elop in them |
| 18:02.22 | frals | hiemanshu: and leave nothing for when everyone gets their hands on N9 in the store? never! |
| 18:03.01 | MohammadAG | frals, aww how nice of you |
| 18:03.21 | hiemanshu | frals: we are leaving something for them, its called hope |
| 18:04.05 | Pauly_ | i wants a n8!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 18:04.28 | Pauly_ | hey is browser good on n950 the new webkit one? |
| 18:05.13 | MohammadAG | frals, you know this best, is friday a workday in HEL? |
| 18:05.22 | frals | MohammadAG: tomorrow? |
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| 18:05.25 | frals | MohammadAG: yes |
| 18:05.44 | frals | MohammadAG: at least im quite sure im suppose to be at work tomorrow, like most fridays :P |
| 18:06.12 | MohammadAG | cool then it might ship tomorrow :D |
| 18:06.32 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: yeah, hopefully, and saturday is a working day here, so I might have mine tomorrow, lets hope |
| 18:06.46 | hiemanshu | err day after* |
| 18:07.46 | MohammadAG | can I track order status changes? |
| 18:08.17 | hiemanshu | once they are shipped yes, DHL should mail you the tracking number |
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| 18:08.36 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: mind giving us a screenshot of your DHL tracking page? |
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| 18:12.22 | MohammadAG | hiemanshu, no need, |
| 18:12.28 | javispedro | so that you can go to his home address and steal his n 50, eh? |
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| 18:12.36 | MohammadAG | I was wondering if I can know when it's shipped :P |
| 18:12.39 | hiemanshu | javispedro: lol |
| 18:13.03 | hiemanshu | javispedro: I want to see if they do actual status updates like moved from airport to warehouse and shit |
| 18:13.58 | MohammadAG | Ah |
| 18:13.58 | MohammadAG | so that's why the N900 prototype was called N 00 |
| 18:15.20 | gri | Is there a shortcut in the harmattan scratchbox to close a program? Swiping there sucks as the top-down-close is not supported |
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| 18:18.04 | Smegman | is there linux for e71? |
| 18:20.23 | javispedro | gri, Ctrl+C ;) |
| 18:21.36 | gri | Isn't that supposed to be copy-to-clipboard? |
| 18:22.05 | gri | I don't start the program with the console, I meant a gui shortcut |
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| 18:24.22 | javispedro | ponders buying stylus from nokia care... |
| 18:24.35 | javispedro | gri, then, kill -TERM ;) |
| 18:24.51 | javispedro | because no, there's no gui shortcut that I know of. |
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| 18:28.09 | Scifig | Labels in my scratchbox are messed up after re-installing. I get all the variable names like weba_ap_web_b. Anyone help me fix this? Screenshot --> http://i.imgur.com/0m1ju.png |
| 18:28.13 | DocScrutinizer51 | just if you wondered - face detection in N950 cam works |
| 18:28.57 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer, have you tried pointing it to a picture of trollface? |
| 18:30.34 | timeless | Scifig: you need a locale that's part of the env |
| 18:30.44 | timeless | you could install one (e.g. mine) |
| 18:31.35 | Scifig | timless: How do I install? |
| 18:31.47 | Scifig | timeless: How do I install? |
| 18:32.15 | timeless | well, for mine, you add my repo and install a locale (en-US/en-GB) :) |
| 18:33.14 | Scifig | yes please. What is your repo URL? |
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| 18:45.22 | DocScrutinizer51 | hiemanshu: actually a guy of Nokia sends the DHL info |
| 18:46.03 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer51: how long between order sent and the actual dispatch? |
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| 18:47.10 | DocScrutinizer51 | see my prev post of subject-[from-]date from the mails I got |
| 18:47.11 | DocScrutinizer51 | 2..4h |
| 18:47.11 | DocScrutinizer51 | can't check right now |
| 18:47.24 | RST38h | Doc: So you got yours? |
| 18:47.56 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer51: ah ok, np |
| 18:48.35 | DocScrutinizer51 | RST38h: see my ovi URL I posted earlier |
| 18:48.45 | RST38h | I have notseen it, sorry - please repost |
| 18:49.07 | RST38h | Also haveyou got the URL for the Launchpad? I cannot find single launchpad page on developers.nokia.com =( |
| 18:49.12 | DocScrutinizer51 | can't - mobile |
| 18:49.26 | RST38h | ah sorry |
| 18:49.30 | dm8tbr | https://forumnokia.secure.force.com/apex/ProductDetailByName?productName=Nokia+N950 - this one? |
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| 18:49.37 | DocScrutinizer51 | RST38h: chanlog - search joerg900 |
| 18:50.21 | RST38h | Oh they wrote "dev kit" on the box... |
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| 18:52.25 | RzR950 | my screen was all black :) |
| 18:52.51 | Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer51: how do you like it? |
| 18:52.56 | pavvi-n900 | Just opened my n900 connected via USB to my debian netbook which has no gnomre or KDE . It gets detected as sde and sdf but not sde1 or something else which I could use |
| 18:53.06 | pavvi-n900 | Why cant I mount it directly |
| 18:53.16 | pavvi-n900 | Phone is on memory storage mode |
| 18:53.22 | RST38h | Doc: Did you get an email telling youto order it or did you just find itonthe launchpad site? |
| 18:54.54 | pavvi-n900 | cmon cant I just connect my n900 directly via USB ??? |
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| 18:57.01 | Shapeshifter | man. it's baffling that they don't want to sell some N950s |
| 18:59.50 | hiemanshu | RST38h: I got an email and so did DocScrutinizer51, but MohammadAG didn't get any, so just check |
| 18:59.55 | hiemanshu | infobot: n950order |
| 18:59.56 | infobot | methinks n950order is https://forumnokia.secure.force.com/apex/ProductDetailByName?productName=Nokia+N950 and wait for "internal error" changing to something wonderful eventually :-) |
| 18:59.59 | hiemanshu | RST38h: ^ |
| 19:02.35 | Smegman | sigh |
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| 19:03.14 | Smegman | 'we made the greatest phone in the world' |
| 19:03.35 | Smegman | 'but microsoft prohibits us from selling it' |
| 19:03.53 | Smegman | Finland needs a night of long knives |
| 19:05.44 | SpeedEvil | Blunt spoons |
| 19:05.54 | pavvi-n900 | fuck the future talk about my N900 which I got today |
| 19:06.00 | pavvi-n900 | I damn want to mount it |
| 19:06.56 | NIN101 | close all aps which could use the partitions you want to mount, including filemanager, and plug the usb in... |
| 19:07.08 | pavvi-n900 | ok |
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| 19:08.54 | pavvi-n900 | [ 6824.433137] scsi 8:0:0:0: Direct-Access Nokia N900 031 PQ: 0 ANSI: 2 [ 6824.433748] scsi 8:0:0:1: Direct-Access Nokia N900 031 PQ: 0 ANSI: 2 [ 6824.448131] sd 8:0:0:0: [sdc] Attached SCSI removable disk [ 6824.449634] sd 8:0:0:1: [sde] Attached SCSI removable disk |
| 19:09.05 | pavvi-n900 | Thats it no sdc1 orr sde1 |
| 19:10.54 | joga | I guess it doesn't show them as partitions |
| 19:11.20 | joga | that's ok though |
| 19:11.36 | pavvi-n900 | mount: /dev/sde: unknown device |
| 19:12.00 | pavvi-n900 | OMG finally was able to mount sdc |
| 19:12.03 | pavvi-n900 | :) |
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| 19:12.40 | NIN101 | So, threat your USB port on the N900 with care. I mean it. |
| 19:13.07 | pavvi-n900 | NIN101: Yeah the pins look horrible |
| 19:13.16 | pavvi-n900 | very hard to plug it in |
| 19:13.22 | NIN101 | file them down. |
| 19:13.26 | Shapeshifter | btw, is it hard to resolder the port? |
| 19:14.38 | pavvi-n900 | I think in the long run its safer to use the memory card |
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| 19:18.43 | sid_ | where can i download http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_root_pr1-2_armel/flasher/2.8.2.1+0m5/ ? i cannot find a link to .deb file |
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| 19:23.38 | jacekowski | sid_: it's in nokia "secret" repo |
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| 19:27.25 | hiemanshu | pavvi-n900: read the dmesg output once you plug it in? |
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| 19:29.13 | pavvi-n900 | hiemanshu: done , pasted it also |
| 19:29.30 | hiemanshu | pavvi-n900: what distro? |
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| 19:30.23 | pavvi-n900 | hiemanshu: debian unstable , running fluxbox |
| 19:30.47 | hiemanshu | pavvi-n900: lsusb please |
| 19:30.55 | pavvi-n900 | hiemanshu: anyways was able to mount it copy my music colletion and I am listeing Jiya Jiya dhadak chale from Kalyug ! |
| 19:31.14 | pavvi-n900 | hiemanshu: by the way mkv files are not supported by the default media player ? |
| 19:31.38 | hiemanshu | pavvi-n900: http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Media_Support |
| 19:32.01 | pavvi-n900 | Bus 001 Device 035: ID 0421:01c7 Nokia Mobile Phones N900 (Storage Mode |
| 19:32.08 | pavvi-n900 | hiemanshu: from lsusb |
| 19:32.17 | hiemanshu | pavvi-n900: is it working fine? |
| 19:32.43 | pavvi-n900 | hiemanshu: Yeah I used the tip from NIN101 who said to close all apps |
| 19:32.53 | hiemanshu | ah |
| 19:34.57 | pavvi-n900 | hiemanshu: Media supprt link from Maemo wiki doesnt give any info other than the list of supported formats |
| 19:35.13 | pavvi-n900 | Why not install vlc and get everything? |
| 19:35.23 | hiemanshu | not sure if there is vlc |
| 19:36.26 | pavvi-n900 | ohh so I need to install http://wiki.maemo.org/Easy_Debian quickly |
| 19:42.02 | sid_ | jacekowski: joking? sorry, but i do not find the package/binary for armel |
| 19:42.23 | Smegman | this is the best nick |
| 19:42.32 | hiemanshu | sid_: you want the kernel flasher? or the image flasher? |
| 19:42.49 | hiemanshu | also PR 1.2? |
| 19:44.12 | sid_ | in this case, both; my usb is broken and it can only boot from mmc. maybe i can repair the bootloader |
| 19:44.28 | sid_ | if the binarys are staticly linked |
| 19:44.37 | sid_ | ... compiled |
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| 19:47.35 | jacekowski | sid_: it's in fiasco image |
| 19:48.06 | jacekowski | sid_: as far as i know that flasher can't flash nolo |
| 19:49.16 | hiemanshu | well you should be able to flash it from say meego booted from the SD card |
| 19:49.19 | hiemanshu | uSD* |
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| 19:49.44 | divan | friend of mine benchmarked ext4 on n900 and here is the result: http://pastebin.com/GxtYqftn |
| 19:51.24 | pavvi-n900 | so ext4 is lot better |
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| 19:52.30 | hiemanshu | ofc, otherwise it wouldn't be called an upgrade |
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| 20:00.15 | ieatlint | well, i have an n950 firmware image but no n950 still :( |
| 20:00.54 | ShadowJK | divan, that's a disappointing benchmark suite :) |
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| 20:01.20 | divan | ShadowJK, because of zeroes? :) |
| 20:01.33 | ShadowJK | Because it only tests sequential write/read of a single file |
| 20:02.06 | sid_ | can someone please run "dpkg -S flasher"; delete .deb file from /var/cache/apt/archives/ and run "apt-get -d xxx" and send me the downloadlink |
| 20:09.07 | deimos | sid_, this? http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php |
| 20:10.03 | sid_ | deimos: sorry, no. i need it for armel to run it from meego |
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| 20:43.10 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: the M6 system widget for setting time and date is great (analog clock, calendar view) - but look at the QMLComp... example programs for app devels... :-S STILL F*CKNG slotmachine for time AND date, NO day-of-week |
| 20:43.35 | javispedro | it's an improvement from m5 at least ;) |
| 20:43.54 | javispedro | I will always remember the store clerk trying to play the time/date slot machine when first booting my recently repaired n900. |
| 20:44.26 | javispedro | he spent like 10 minutes on it. |
| 20:44.40 | javispedro | (and eventually set the wrong date...) |
| 20:45.14 | DocScrutinizer | Nokia/Maemo6 got it right, but Qt/QML is FUBAR once again |
| 20:45.58 | frals | difference in development time between the qml and the mtf one is quite big i imagine |
| 20:46.20 | DocScrutinizer | I probably need to finetune the assignment of my meego-bug, to clearly say QML for subsystem involved |
| 20:46.23 | frals | otoh the datepicker shouldnt be that hard to implement in qml, i guess |
| 20:46.48 | frals | clock would be annoying i guess, circles = :( |
| 20:46.53 | DocScrutinizer | frals: zenity --date |
| 20:47.12 | DocScrutinizer | frals: zenity --calendar actually< |
| 20:47.34 | frals | at home on my win7 machine so have a feeling it wont do much good ;) |
| 20:47.53 | DocScrutinizer | :-P |
| 20:47.59 | javispedro | you will get a command or filename not found error which is always nice to get |
| 20:48.23 | DocScrutinizer | just had a chat with my friend who got iPhone. I *know* where from this idiocy came |
| 20:48.29 | khertan | frals, yep development time is really longer when doing qml thing |
| 20:48.54 | DocScrutinizer | mehehe |
| 20:49.06 | DocScrutinizer | I guess frals meant some different fact |
| 20:49.15 | frals | khertan: its usually shorter, but i was refering to how long the work has been ongoing to get the building blocks done in qml vs mtf |
| 20:49.47 | khertan | frals, usually ... hum hum hum ... |
| 20:49.48 | DocScrutinizer | QML timepicker widget: 2 mandays. MTF-datepicker: 4 manweeks |
| 20:49.57 | khertan | lol |
| 20:50.07 | frals | using qml everyday at work i do appreciate how much faster it is to get stuff done with it instead of mtf |
| 20:50.10 | frals | ;) |
| 20:50.20 | DocScrutinizer | s/date/time/ |
| 20:50.33 | khertan | QToolBar + QToolButton : 10m, QML : 7 hours and generate error |
| 20:51.09 | khertan | it s amazing how it s difficult to do simple things in qml |
| 20:51.24 | frals | khertan: Page { tools: [ ToolIcon { source: bla onClicked: blabla.xyz() } ] }? |
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| 20:51.29 | khertan | indeed for doing transition ... it s faster |
| 20:51.43 | ali1234 | it depends on the thing, really |
| 20:51.52 | khertan | frals, Page, .... ToolIcon ? only for Harmattan ... |
| 20:51.57 | frals | might not be called ToolIcon, but I guess you get the idea ;-) |
| 20:52.00 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: however, I do question wheter you are looking at the MTF datepicker, or just a custom implementation of a datepicker done specifically for time/date setting |
| 20:52.03 | khertan | frals, didn't exist for Maemo |
| 20:52.10 | khertan | Maemo == Fremantle |
| 20:52.11 | javispedro | (m5 had the latter at least for first-use-setup) |
| 20:52.25 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: have you seen it in any other application? |
| 20:52.25 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: it's same in calendar for new events |
| 20:52.28 | frals | khertan: right, that might be true. i was talking about harmattan, sorry for not making that clear |
| 20:52.36 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: heh, wonderful |
| 20:52.38 | frals | i thought comparing it with mtf gave it away :) |
| 20:52.48 | DocScrutinizer | same in clock, for alarms |
| 20:53.04 | khertan | frals, yep the harmattan components seems to simplify things a lot ... but available for harmattan only ... and bring fragmentation to the plateform |
| 20:53.09 | frals | think the proper date/timepicker is used in all system apps |
| 20:53.18 | javispedro | because they all are MTF ;) |
| 20:53.36 | DocScrutinizer | actually I've seen the slotmachines nowhere except in those QMLdjkhjak... active dictionary progarms |
| 20:53.44 | frals | khertan: symbian got them as well? |
| 20:54.01 | frals | khertan: but they are missing from fremantle :< |
| 20:54.06 | khertan | frals, don't know ... didn't work under qtcreator |
| 20:54.21 | khertan | frals, missing on fremantle and all other qt plateform |
| 20:54.24 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: indeed |
| 20:54.32 | frals | khertan: ok, never tried them tbh, i just saw i got a symbian dir when checking out master from gitorious |
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| 20:54.39 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: obviously MTF is nice, while QML is BS |
| 20:54.47 | DocScrutinizer | optically |
| 20:54.52 | frals | javispedro: most of the ones needing date/timepicker, i guess ;) |
| 20:55.03 | javispedro | well, if you look at the MTF development timeline, ... they had quite of manweeks :) |
| 20:55.05 | javispedro | more like manyears ;) |
| 20:55.31 | khertan | when i see the maemo one |
| 20:55.37 | khertan | it s works well |
| 20:55.47 | DocScrutinizer | what horrifies me is the fact that iOS looks slotmachine'ish as well |
| 20:55.50 | khertan | m5 theme |
| 20:56.07 | khertan | DocScrutinizer, :) the complete iOS horrify me |
| 20:56.14 | DocScrutinizer | QML is going iPhone, no matter how awkward |
| 20:56.32 | DocScrutinizer | an abomination |
| 20:56.33 | khertan | DocScrutinizer, the problem is that everyone try to make iOS things ... and copy the worst |
| 20:56.44 | DocScrutinizer | indeed |
| 20:56.57 | khertan | with QML we got the style of iOS, with the fragmentation of Android |
| 20:56.58 | DocScrutinizer | the iOS slotmachine *has* day-of-week |
| 20:57.12 | khertan | does fanboy didn't ask for mix of iOS and Android ? |
| 20:57.20 | khertan | we got the worst of the both world |
| 20:57.20 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: I knew it! |
| 20:57.21 | khertan | :) |
| 20:57.38 | khertan | ok ... need to sleep |
| 20:57.45 | DocScrutinizer | nity |
| 20:58.04 | khertan | as tomorrow i ll have 4 hours to lose to do a working toolbar in qml |
| 20:58.09 | javispedro | gnite khertan, good luck battling qml. |
| 20:58.36 | DocScrutinizer | needs some meditation now, somebody explained today it's needed by brain to keep the white mater strong |
| 20:58.40 | khertan | it ll be funny to see that doing all the syntax highlighting part of khteditor was 10x faster than the toolbar ... :) |
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| 20:58.59 | khertan | night'all |
| 20:59.40 | DocScrutinizer | ~lart QML |
| 20:59.40 | infobot | gives QML an extra strength ACME sleeping pill, sending QML to sleep for 150 years, and awakening to seven strange dwarfs and a large apple |
| 20:59.59 | DocScrutinizer | HAHAHAHAHA |
| 21:01.24 | pavvi-n900 | WTF Nokia To Support The N9 For Years, May Be Bringing It To Even More Countries |
| 21:01.44 | javispedro | oh, actually they are going to support the n9 for milennia. |
| 21:01.47 | pavvi-n900 | First what about the present maemo.nokia.com ell the to get the site up :X |
| 21:02.04 | pavvi-n900 | it forwards to swipe.nokia.com |
| 21:02.55 | pavvi-n900 | wonders if anyone will trust nokia after N900/maemo/meego story |
| 21:03.47 | pavvi-n900 | if only there was no community behind N900 .. the users would have been crying like the symbian fellows |
| 21:04.18 | DocScrutinizer | pavvi-n900: http://2600hertz.wordpress.com/2010/02/26/meego-destroy-in-6-steps/ |
| 21:06.13 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: that's just a ripoff of certain meegoconf session that was very funny |
| 21:06.16 | pavvi-n900 | DocScrutinizer: Exactly .. would you believe , /me was the crazy guy who searched all shops to buy N900 after the N9 announcement just because I want maemo , not meego ! |
| 21:06.47 | holmesII | what's HAL, and what's BME, can anyone tell me some details about those? and is there tutorial about program on HAL & BME? and BTW, what's HILDON |
| 21:07.06 | DocScrutinizer | ~hal |
| 21:07.06 | infobot | rumour has it, hal is (Hardware Abstraction Layer) This is the portion of the operating system that lets programs deal with hardware directly. This allows programs needing more speed from the computer to bypass the standard OS calls to hardware. So instead of calling the Windows' API to draw a dialog box, you would go through the pain of actually drawing it out line by line: much faster, but much harder to write. This is of particular importance when ... |
| 21:07.35 | DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Software_BME |
| 21:08.11 | DocScrutinizer | ~hildon |
| 21:08.12 | infobot | i guess hildon is crappy |
| 21:08.19 | DocScrutinizer | fair enough |
| 21:10.05 | javispedro | infobot: BY MAKING THAT ASSERTION YOU HAVE CHALLENGED THE HONOR OF MY FAMILY. PREPARE TO DIE! |
| 21:10.20 | DocScrutinizer | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hildon |
| 21:10.27 | holmesII | all right. thank you guys! I am reading now. well, if I want get the information about the battery, should I know both HAL & BME? |
| 21:10.29 | Smegman | Bradley Manning: American Hero |
| 21:10.49 | DocScrutinizer | forget bme |
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| 21:11.05 | angelox|laptop | Hi all |
| 21:11.37 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: you don't want me to tell infobot: die! |
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| 21:12.01 | javispedro | /msg infobot die! |
| 21:12.07 | DocScrutinizer | which actually is a pity, as I loved that factoid |
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| 21:12.39 | DocScrutinizer | ~+help die |
| 21:12.46 | DocScrutinizer | haha |
| 21:13.00 | javispedro | man die ;) |
| 21:13.06 | DocScrutinizer | she'll actually die when I do ~die |
| 21:13.49 | angelox|laptop | ~+help life |
| 21:13.56 | DocScrutinizer | so anybody but me can use the factoid cmd of same name |
| 21:14.49 | holmesII | any clue about programming with HAL? |
| 21:16.26 | ibot | shivers |
| 21:17.56 | cehteh | read the libhal doc? |
| 21:18.34 | infobot | shivers |
| 21:19.37 | cehteh | ~help |
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| 21:20.02 | cehteh | ~wtf |
| 21:20.21 | cehteh | wtf infobot |
| 21:20.32 | cehteh | hates bots |
| 21:21.59 | Smegman | hallo cehteh |
| 21:22.15 | cehteh | mhm? |
| 21:23.00 | javispedro | aaaaaaargh |
| 21:23.09 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: prepare to puke |
| 21:23.14 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: http://linuxfr.org/nodes/86687/comments/1249943 |
| 21:23.57 | javispedro | infobot: reserve one for me too. |
| 21:25.04 | cehteh | javispedro: whats wrong there? i dint want to read it all |
| 21:25.44 | javispedro | lennart as usual, saying pulseaudio is like the second coming of Jesus, that BSD sucks, that Ubuntu are idiots for mistrusting his newfangled systemd.. |
| 21:26.47 | cehteh | hehe well pa is his child an he put a lot efforts into it, i may disagree too but well in some cases there in nothing better yet |
| 21:26.53 | DocScrutinizer | I need a specially locked storage for such links |
| 21:27.01 | DocScrutinizer | how poettirng |
| 21:27.11 | DocScrutinizer | ~poettering |
| 21:27.11 | infobot | 'sth is poettering' means it acts invasive, possessive, destructive, and generally in an egocentric exacerbating negative way. ``this cancer is extremely poettering'' |
| 21:27.17 | cehteh | just using lennarts libasyncns ... which is well done |
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| 21:28.27 | cehteh | well, and i met and talked personally to him at the LAC 2010 .. he is arguable some strange guy, but i seen weirder free software guys |
| 21:29.22 | DocScrutinizer | but rarely somebody with such a perveiling smell of castor oil |
| 21:29.40 | cehteh | oh come one .. there is a very long list :) |
| 21:29.40 | javispedro | well, I like the idea of userspace sound server _daemons_, I never used Ubuntu nor BSD... and yet I _fear_ everytime he opens his mouth. |
| 21:30.55 | DocScrutinizer | he's generally acting poettering |
| 21:31.47 | cehteh | schily, the bitkeeper guy, tom lord, miguel icaza .... |
| 21:31.51 | DocScrutinizer | on last CCC he hijacked the stage when somebody dared to talk about "why we don't need PA" |
| 21:32.00 | GeneralAntilles | Laser dentistry is a revolution. |
| 21:32.10 | cehteh | lol :) |
| 21:32.18 | holmesII | this is very helpful http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Using_Generic_Platform_Components/Using_HAL |
| 21:32.20 | andre__ | and that CCC video is worth to watch, because that presenter obviously had no clue what he was talking about. |
| 21:32.22 | cehteh | well i dont touch PA :) |
| 21:32.40 | holmesII | however, can anyone support me more detailed code for that? see the code in the last of that page |
| 21:32.49 | cehteh | free software is all about strong opinions and egocentric people |
| 21:32.52 | DocScrutinizer | andre__: he wasn't exactly brilliant, but he had quite a number of points |
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| 21:33.31 | DocScrutinizer | majorly he had no clue how to deal with a lennart going mad |
| 21:33.58 | andre__ | DocScrutinizer, if he had prepared his talk properly that wouldn't have happened. |
| 21:34.06 | cehteh | DocScrutinizer: when i can choose again over a conversation with schily or lennart i'd choose lennart hands down :) |
| 21:34.18 | GeneralAntilles | andre__, how's your N950, bitch? |
| 21:34.38 | cehteh | (is this channel logged? .. *wink*) ... |
| 21:34.42 | andre__ | if you come up with examples from three years ago for your criticism plus state clearly wrong stuff it's normal (and more than right) that you get bashed for it. |
| 21:34.51 | andre__ | ...and for those that want to make up their own opinion, that CCC video is available e.g. at http://ftp.uni-kl.de/CCC/27C3/mp4-h264-HQ/27c3-4017-en-desktop_on_the_linux.mp4 |
| 21:35.11 | DocScrutinizer | I'd rather have a 5 weeks conversation with ELIZA rather than sitting silent in a room where lennart walks by |
| 21:35.20 | GeneralAntilles | javispedro, you know, it's funny. I read that interview without a lot of prejudices about lennart and his projects. |
| 21:35.21 | andre__ | GeneralAntilles: I don't have one yet, sorry... but my prototype is fine, as usual :) |
| 21:35.28 | GeneralAntilles | javispedro, and he really is CONVINCING. |
| 21:35.40 | GeneralAntilles | andre__, I thought you had received yours? |
| 21:35.59 | andre__ | GeneralAntilles, nope, not yet. but I'm travelling anyway so maybe some time next week |
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| 21:36.25 | GeneralAntilles | andre__, might want to update: http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/Community_device_program/Nokia#Completed |
| 21:36.52 | andre__ | GeneralAntilles, nah... I assume it means "on the way". we'll see. |
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| 21:37.01 | DocScrutinizer | GeneralAntilles: (convincing) that's this dude's problem. He can convince you shit is delicious, and you'll ask him to sell you some more |
| 21:37.26 | GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer, where's the even-tone, fact-filled, convincing rebuttal? |
| 21:37.58 | andre__ | I can only say that I always love having some beers with Lennart :) |
| 21:38.13 | cehteh | hehe |
| 21:38.46 | DocScrutinizer | from me? (sorry my Emglish starts to fail a t that level) I'm just tired of lennart and his poettering way to change things without even noticing what he destroys |
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| 21:39.37 | DocScrutinizer | and I'm tired to explain again and again why PA has (almost) no benefit at all but compensates that by introducing quite some bugs |
| 21:39.52 | cehteh | well there are definately more destructive things .. be happy that PA isnt a mandatory kernel component :P |
| 21:39.53 | andre__ | get a distro that does not use it, done? |
| 21:39.53 | javispedro | I do think he tries to push his stuff too hard for no reason, and way too early. |
| 21:40.10 | DocScrutinizer | cehteh: you make me gasp |
| 21:40.19 | javispedro | for ex. he talks much about zero-copy and its benefits and yet not webos, and not maemo use it. |
| 21:40.40 | DocScrutinizer | andre__: thanks mr poettering this is virtually impossible nowadays |
| 21:40.48 | cehteh | i dont like it either .. but except raw alsa programming there seems no better alternative for the *consumer* device side .. jackd isnt suitable for this stuff |
| 21:41.02 | GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer, and I don't say that in the Stskeepsian (sorry!) fashion. I mean, I'd be interested to collected the facts in the case and to see where the other side has put their own story. |
| 21:41.03 | cehteh | but i have also to admit that i am not big into this consumer crap |
| 21:41.38 | javispedro | and he complains loudly about audio card drivers sucking badly when it comes to timing, but that's only the tip of the iceberg |
| 21:41.48 | cehteh | yes |
| 21:41.53 | javispedro | he has complained even about the dB labeling in volume controls |
| 21:41.59 | DocScrutinizer | GeneralAntilles: the chanlogs hold evenings full of PA bashing, just search them |
| 21:42.02 | javispedro | _no_ driver is implemented according to his specifications. |
| 21:42.02 | GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer, I also suspect you'd be qualified to elaborate here. ;) If you want a copy-editor and native speaker I can oblige. |
| 21:42.08 | cehteh | this is the 'safe every penny, someone will fix it in software' land |
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| 21:42.49 | merlin1991 | hehe this chanlog has no only evenings full of pa bashing, but weeks full of pa bashing :D |
| 21:42.54 | DocScrutinizer | GeneralAntilles: It's stale, done that enough in my life |
| 21:42.57 | andre__ | DocScrutinizer, start your own distro if you're unhappy with all of them? :) |
| 21:43.32 | cehteh | nixos :P |
| 21:43.36 | GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer, fair enough. :) |
| 21:43.39 | DocScrutinizer | andre__: I'm not building my own car because VW decided they don't sell midnight blue any more |
| 21:43.47 | javispedro | and he does not seem to realize that a list of "features systemd has that sysvinit or upstartd don't" does not matter much to me.... cause I fail to see why aggregating all of the features into a single giant binary is beneficial. |
| 21:44.02 | andre__ | DocScrutinizer, you could buy a different brand then... |
| 21:44.03 | javispedro | specially if they were previously done by customizable shell scripts. |
| 21:45.08 | DocScrutinizer | andre__: I have no problem with PA, I know how to kill it, it's just an annoyance. I have a problem with Mr Poettering forcing his awesome acme crap into virtually everything |
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| 21:45.28 | cehteh | hehe |
| 21:45.35 | andre__ | hehe |
| 21:45.44 | cehteh | markeing rules te world |
| 21:45.49 | cehteh | +t |
| 21:45.49 | javispedro | actually killing PA is a harder problem every day |
| 21:45.53 | andre__ | DocScrutinizer, he's too convincing you mean? :) |
| 21:46.05 | javispedro | I have to maintain a patch to gnome-settings-daemon by myself because otherwise it triesto use PA as mixer backend |
| 21:46.20 | DocScrutinizer | andre__: I have no problem with PA, I know how to[2011-07-07 23:37:00] <DocScrutinizer> GeneralAntilles: (convincing) that's this dude's problem. He can convince you shit is delicious, and you'll ask him to sell you some more kill it, it's just an annoyance. I have a problem with Mr Poettering forcing his awesome acme crap into virtually everything |
| 21:46.23 | javispedro | which of course fails badly because "my card does not have the proper dB scale" or something like that. |
| 21:46.35 | DocScrutinizer | grr |
| 21:46.39 | javispedro | resulting in the initial three volume steps in PA's mixer being = mute |
| 21:46.41 | DocScrutinizer | [2011-07-07 23:37:00] <DocScrutinizer> GeneralAntilles: (convincing) that's this dude's problem. He can convince you shit is delicious, and you'll ask him to sell you some more |
| 21:46.47 | javispedro | a problem I've seen on virtually every computer in the campus... |
| 21:46.59 | andre__ | I see... |
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| 21:47.42 | DocScrutinizer | there's just no sense in forcing a system for remote sound into 500mio desktop PC when you need it on 300 |
| 21:48.42 | javispedro | either way it doesn't matter |
| 21:48.44 | DocScrutinizer | there's definitely 1mio of the 500mio that has *problems* with PA, but definitely NO benefit at all |
| 21:48.52 | javispedro | someone will eventually move this stuff back to the kernel, wayland style. |
| 21:49.08 | vdv | if i have installed sshd on my n900, how can i now start it? there's no rc.sshd script in /etc/rc.d/ |
| 21:49.35 | DocScrutinizer | and btw I recently learned ALSA can do audio streaming via UDP as well |
| 21:49.37 | cehteh | vdv: should be running |
| 21:49.43 | cehteh | using upstart |
| 21:49.57 | DocScrutinizer | one more point where PA doesn't look like the winner |
| 21:49.58 | merlin1991 | vdv: n900 is upstart based, something along hte lines of start sshd should do the trick |
| 21:50.00 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: ALSA can do whatever you want. It's a monster. |
| 21:50.05 | cehteh | DocScrutinizer: alsa has some ugly api too |
| 21:50.23 | javispedro | it has a giant and complex plugin API that would put PA's to shame. |
| 21:50.25 | DocScrutinizer | oh, and PA API is clean and nice, yeah? |
| 21:50.32 | vdv | upstart? |
| 21:50.36 | cehteh | i dont say that |
| 21:50.37 | DocScrutinizer | just as long as you don't want to do real stuff |
| 21:50.39 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: you know my opinion: compared to ALSA, PA is clean. |
| 21:50.50 | cehteh | i just say everything is the same crap |
| 21:51.19 | cehteh | well jackd got easy .. but is a special purpose |
| 21:51.24 | javispedro | esd was also crap, but the crap you understand.. |
| 21:51.29 | cehteh | yes |
| 21:51.45 | cehteh | and oss :) |
| 21:52.15 | nox- | likes freebsd's oss `rewrite', rarely do freebsd users need any `sound daemons'... |
| 21:52.40 | vdv | i've installed dropbear ssh server and client |
| 21:52.41 | cehteh | linux doesnt need sound daemons either .. i dont run them |
| 21:52.46 | vdv | is there another one? |
| 21:52.53 | cehteh | vdv use openssh not dropbear |
| 21:52.55 | merlin1991 | vdv openssh is in the repos |
| 21:53.07 | javispedro | I still think a daemon is a good idea. Hiding sound mixing behind the kernel wall (ossv4) or behind a giant userspace abstraction library that noone fully understands (ALSA) is a bad solution. |
| 21:53.48 | DocScrutinizer | loosely related: I had to restart audio yesterday, because guess who blew chunks |
| 21:53.55 | javispedro | a sound daemon you can kill, and monitor. |
| 21:54.04 | javispedro | (and debug) |
| 21:54.14 | vdv | ah ok, thanks |
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| 21:55.12 | cehteh | javispedro: some compund kernel/userspace thing would be nice .. and a library giving you only reasonable frontends |
| 21:55.40 | DocScrutinizer | GeneralAntilles: javispedro isn't as noisy about it as I'm but he's clearly even more savvy about PA uselesness |
| 21:55.52 | cehteh | that is you have devices where you and stuff the sample data to and some control channel for mixing and synchronization |
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| 21:56.29 | wazd | http://www.engadget.com/2011/07/07/apple-patent-apps-describe-smart-pens-for-notetaking-and-long/ |
| 21:56.32 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: and more objective, as I started to hate PA even more the very day I learnt it's from same guy like avahi |
| 21:56.33 | cehteh | (mmap()'ed char devices?) |
| 21:56.35 | wazd | mother.fuckers. |
| 21:56.58 | cehteh | DocScrutinizer: haha yes avahi is the same crap :P |
| 21:57.01 | javispedro | wazd: using patents to try and guess future product development? good luck ;) |
| 21:57.04 | wazd | I was cradling an idea of such a pen for almost 3 years :( |
| 21:57.15 | javispedro | wazd: probably they're just preparing for the next patent troll appearance. |
| 21:57.29 | cehteh | DocScrutinizer: but as i saied earlier, i just discovered his libasyncns .. which is well done and right what i need |
| 21:57.52 | DocScrutinizer | and avahi is a pain in my lower end since it came to linux and killed all the networks in the neighbourhood |
| 21:58.14 | wazd | javispedro: seriously, rechargable traceable pen is much better for portable device than additional inductive layer to power it |
| 21:58.16 | cehteh | haha |
| 21:59.49 | wazd | damn :( |
| 22:00.08 | javispedro | wazd: have no experience with inductive... |
| 22:00.35 | wazd | javispedro: wacom? :) |
| 22:00.38 | javispedro | has now tried a livescribe pen and is now definitely interested in one, so I will be buying one (and connecting to n9{5,0}0 ;) ) |
| 22:00.51 | DocScrutinizer | you could say avahi is prototypically poettering |
| 22:00.52 | javispedro | (via usb host :) ) |
| 22:01.13 | DocScrutinizer | ~poettering |
| 22:01.13 | infobot | 'sth is poettering' means it acts invasive, possessive, destructive, and generally in an egocentric exacerbating negative way. ``this cancer is extremely poettering'' |
| 22:01.23 | wazd | javispedro: well, yes, something between livescribe and wacom |
| 22:01.33 | javispedro | wazd: yep, but didn't though passive inductive screens were so power hungry |
| 22:02.00 | wazd | javispedro: maybe not, but additional layer above the screen sucks anyway |
| 22:02.14 | javispedro | oh |
| 22:02.16 | javispedro | above? |
| 22:02.17 | wazd | javispedro: kills contrast, makes it significantly thicker |
| 22:02.40 | DocScrutinizer | basically I learned to hate avahi like virtually nothing else on linux, then I learned to hate PA even more than avahi, then eventually I noticed they are of same origin |
| 22:02.50 | DocScrutinizer | I thought WTF!?!! |
| 22:03.15 | javispedro | wazd: I do not think there's anything in passive that forces a layer to be above the screen (unlike resistive) |
| 22:03.30 | DocScrutinizer | there *must* be something with this Mr Poettering |
| 22:04.26 | wazd | javispedro: yep, maybe I'm wrong. But it makes it thicker anyway :D |
| 22:04.51 | wazd | javispedro: I have tm2 and the screen part weights more than the base :D |
| 22:05.13 | javispedro | heh |
| 22:05.17 | javispedro | that might be the case :) |
| 22:05.32 | wazd | javispedro: well, not quite more, but you can't open it to wide angle |
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| 22:05.44 | wazd | it falls to the back |
| 22:05.53 | javispedro | usual hp build quality ;) |
| 22:06.01 | DocScrutinizer | I didn't really like uppstart until I read the website with docs and how it should work. Just when I started to see the good as well in upstart, somebody says "let's do the ueber-upstart now!" and surprise surprise it's Lennart |
| 22:06.15 | javispedro | you saw the good in upstart? |
| 22:06.23 | javispedro | is surprised |
| 22:06.50 | javispedro | though I might have been influenced by older MeeGo's "our choice of init couldn't matter less because we do not have any services to boot" |
| 22:06.54 | DocScrutinizer | the event driven concept has its merits |
| 22:06.55 | nid0 | tbh, im glad as hell 99% of my nix use is servers, not having to deal with the terrible trash on user systems |
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| 22:07.38 | DocScrutinizer | nid0: :-) |
| 22:08.19 | wazd | javispedro: well, otherwise it's an amazing laptop to be fair :) |
| 22:08.27 | javispedro | if you have the time, use gentoo -- being source based it's very easy to patch everything you want in and everything you would prefer to insert into someone's *** out ;) |
| 22:08.40 | javispedro | wazd: hehe. |
| 22:08.40 | holmesII | /usr/include/dbus-1.0/dbus/dbus.h , is this path correct? |
| 22:08.45 | cehteh | s/gentoo/nixos/ :) |
| 22:08.56 | GeneralAntilles | Arch really sounds like it might suite DocScrutinizer. |
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| 22:09.13 | cehteh | if you want it weird and want full control then nothing is better than nixos |
| 22:09.48 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: (upstart) though aiui e.g. suse used a sysv-init that did all the parallelism and dependency checking and whatnot that allegedly is new in upstart - and it's using this sysv-init since 10 years |
| 22:10.00 | javispedro | suse, and debian, and gentoo.. |
| 22:10.17 | cehteh | using sysv init with 'file-rc' ... good enough for me |
| 22:10.19 | javispedro | not for 10 years probably though. |
| 22:10.25 | cehteh | i reboot once a month or so :) |
| 22:10.51 | DocScrutinizer | duh, tha much? |
| 22:10.59 | cehteh | i mean one of my machines |
| 22:11.03 | cehteh | not each |
| 22:11.15 | nid0 | I have to reboot that regularly on my workstation, stupid patch tuesday :< |
| 22:11.23 | DocScrutinizer | darn, uptime only 28 days here |
| 22:11.35 | DocScrutinizer | usually my laptop has uptimes of nnn |
| 22:11.37 | DocScrutinizer | days |
| 22:11.48 | cehteh | my desktop once had about 500 days uptime |
| 22:12.18 | cehteh | but well since its ati graphics and i installed googlearth i have to reboot sometimes :P |
| 22:12.42 | DocScrutinizer | meh, colleague updated centos on our box 85 days ago |
| 22:13.24 | cehteh | i dont aim for high uptimes anymore .. i just reboot when i am after it |
| 22:13.38 | cehteh | some fsck here and there is a good thing |
| 22:13.47 | DocScrutinizer | I just hate booting, the uptime doesn't matter really |
| 22:14.25 | cehteh | also finding spurious bugs that something dosnt come up after a reboot and you cant remember what you changed 300 days ago on the system and broken it |
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| 22:14.33 | DocScrutinizer | I actually did umount; fsck; mount sometimes |
| 22:14.51 | cehteh | except for the root fs :P |
| 22:14.56 | DocScrutinizer | when the disk told me 400 days passed w/o fsck |
| 22:15.04 | DocScrutinizer | yeah :-) |
| 22:15.53 | cehteh | i started to have only /boot and / no subpartitioning anymore, filesystems got better and having only one encrypted partition |
| 22:16.16 | cehteh | someday i may use btrfs subvolumes for mountpoints |
| 22:16.23 | cehteh | but first btrfs needs to become useable :P |
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| 22:16.31 | cehteh | i dont use it at all yet |
| 22:16.47 | DocScrutinizer | ~xyawn |
| 22:16.47 | infobot | methinks xyawn is strong coffee |
| 22:16.54 | DocScrutinizer | :nod: |
| 22:17.09 | holmesII | what does this mean? when i compile, i got this /usr/include/dbus-1.0/dbus/dbus.h:29:33: error: dbus/dbus-arch-deps.h: No such file or directory. I did found dbus-arch-deps.h in there. so what wrong with that? |
| 22:17.23 | javispedro | don't ya love when some guy adds "occasional crashes" to "release notes.txt" and then wanders off without any comments or a bugreport or some other file in the commit to help me relate where the crashes come from |
| 22:17.35 | holmesII | i copied the include folder from Ecbox enviroment to my N900 |
| 22:17.57 | cehteh | holmesII: how do you compile? |
| 22:18.06 | javispedro | first and foremost.. |
| 22:18.14 | javispedro | holmesII: what do you want to do? why are you not using qtmobility? |
| 22:18.32 | cehteh | haha |
| 22:18.41 | cehteh | javispedro: stop that he is bloody beginner |
| 22:18.52 | javispedro | and for that reason, qtmobility is way easier.. |
| 22:18.52 | holmesII | i found a example here http://maemo.org/development/training/maemo_platform_development_content/plain_html/node10/ |
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| 22:19.05 | holmesII | and copy the dbus-example.c and Makefile |
| 22:19.13 | javispedro | holmesII: you want to do what? |
| 22:19.15 | holmesII | put them in one folder and make |
| 22:19.17 | javispedro | more higher level |
| 22:19.32 | holmesII | try to compile and run the program. I am a learner |
| 22:19.34 | javispedro | so that we can tell you to go the Qt way if it is possible for you, because the Qt way shall be much easier. |
| 22:19.53 | DocScrutinizer | I hear "from Ecbox enviroment to my N900" and gather a bloody beginner tries to get a build environment up and running on N900 |
| 22:19.56 | holmesII | what is QT? |
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| 22:20.00 | javispedro | ok |
| 22:20.38 | javispedro | searches for that getting started with maemo qt page but can't find it. |
| 22:21.39 | DocScrutinizer | http://zetcode.com/tutorials/qt4tutorial/ |
| 22:21.56 | Messer | whoever is killing linux on phones should be disembowled |
| 22:22.41 | DocScrutinizer | http://zetcode.com/tutorials/pyqt4 |
| 22:24.37 | javispedro | so. |
| 22:24.51 | javispedro | holmesII: you should download the Qt SDK http://www.developer.nokia.com/Develop/Qt/Tools/ |
| 22:24.55 | DocScrutinizer | haha, N950 breathing light dead. No indications it's actually up and sucking battery |
| 22:25.12 | holmesII | thanks! i just finished the introduction. I don't think i have to use it. because what i need is very simple, just write a simple c program to get battery information. maybe HAL API is enough for me. however, i did some search in the past few days. got no very clear clue in there. and nobody can point me out the way. |
| 22:25.33 | javispedro | because the HAL API is not simple in any way. |
| 22:25.36 | javispedro | Qt is simple. |
| 22:26.19 | holmesII | is QT good to compile thing and make it running in N900(maemo 5)? |
| 22:26.25 | javispedro | yes. |
| 22:26.28 | DocScrutinizer | indeed, Qt is amazingly simple and powerful |
| 22:26.49 | merlin1991 | ask MohammadAG, he'll praise qt over everything ;) |
| 22:26.49 | javispedro | holmesII: see for example: http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qtcreator-snapshot/creator-mobile-example.html |
| 22:27.00 | DocScrutinizer | sometimes butt ugly |
| 22:27.10 | DocScrutinizer | :-P |
| 22:27.28 | DocScrutinizer | memory hog of giant dimensions |
| 22:27.35 | holmesII | i dont' need UI. i just need to read battery information and as quick as it can (with least power usage) |
| 22:27.40 | javispedro | holmesII: well, compiling must be done on a desktop, be it windows or sth else. |
| 22:27.41 | DocScrutinizer | but definitely fun and simple |
| 22:28.01 | MohammadAG | it's not dead |
| 22:28.05 | MohammadAG | it's a FIXME |
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| 22:28.52 | javispedro | holmesII: Qt does not mandate a UI. |
| 22:29.03 | DocScrutinizer | holmesII: these are TWO absolutely non-learner requirements that make me think you're after a way more complex task - complex in a sense of "needs proper system architecture" |
| 22:29.14 | javispedro | holmesII: and the example page I linked to even has examples into how to read battery level. |
| 22:29.32 | MohammadAG | so does the source I linked you to |
| 22:29.42 | javispedro | QSystemDeviceInfo * deviceInfo = new QSystemDeviceInfo(this); |
| 22:29.42 | javispedro | deviceInfo->batteryLevel(); |
| 22:29.44 | MohammadAG | <DocScrutinizer> memory hog of giant dimensions |
| 22:29.46 | javispedro | cannot really be more simple than that. |
| 22:29.52 | MohammadAG | Harmattan solves that |
| 22:30.06 | MohammadAG | javispedro, pointers say hai |
| 22:30.11 | DocScrutinizer | holmesII: reading from HAL "as quick as it can" is mere nonsense, as HAL itself is slow |
| 22:30.29 | holmesII | yes. i see. thanks guys. i will try it tonight. i got go home and eat :) lol. The page you shown me seems very very simple |
| 22:30.50 | MohammadAG | merlin1991, Qt > Termana |
| 22:30.54 | MohammadAG | naw, he's offline |
| 22:31.07 | merlin1991 | who's offline, Termana? |
| 22:31.08 | holmesII | btw, can i install QT on windows? |
| 22:31.23 | holmesII | i'm downloading something here and don't want to reboot my machine |
| 22:31.34 | javispedro | holmesII: yes, you can install the Qt SDK in Windows, you'll see the screenshots are made on windows btw ;) |
| 22:31.57 | holmesII | thanks! hope to see you here tonight!! |
| 22:32.32 | Messer | whens the next conference in germany? |
| 22:32.32 | DocScrutinizer | *sigh* |
| 22:32.42 | DocScrutinizer | I smell drama |
| 22:33.32 | javispedro | maemo conference?, meego conference? |
| 22:33.42 | DocScrutinizer | >> i just need to read battery information and as quick as it can (with least power usage)<< This won't be a happy ending |
| 22:33.58 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: no. not an easy target for a beginner either way. |
| 22:34.24 | Messer | Javis any thing related |
| 22:34.27 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: reading battery "as fast as possible" clearly indicates a FUBAR concept |
| 22:34.44 | javispedro | Messer: potentially meego conf, next year during spring, and again in SF |
| 22:34.47 | DocScrutinizer | as there's no use whatsoever in doing that |
| 22:34.50 | javispedro | (that's what I heard last) |
| 22:35.06 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: battery profilig |
| 22:35.09 | javispedro | *profiling |
| 22:35.12 | DocScrutinizer | BS |
| 22:35.26 | DocScrutinizer | once a minute is more than enough for that |
| 22:35.42 | MohammadAG | just poll it! |
| 22:35.53 | javispedro | needs music |
| 22:35.54 | GeneralAntilles | javispedro, yes, correct. |
| 22:36.07 | javispedro | GeneralAntilles: ok, good to know. |
| 22:36.37 | javispedro | (at least going back to yearly is better than ... nothing..) |
| 22:36.38 | DocScrutinizer | you don't even have *sensors* that yield any new values at a rate significantly faster then once every 5 s |
| 22:37.03 | Messer | god bless microsoft |
| 22:37.21 | Messer | They blocked a hardware trojan in kinect |
| 22:38.03 | DocScrutinizer | not to mention the capacity_percentage he wants to read out "as fast as possible" - this value isn't going to change any more often that every minute or so |
| 22:38.30 | DocScrutinizer | s/that ev/than ev/ |
| 22:39.21 | DocScrutinizer | my prophecy stands - this won't be a happy ending |
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| 22:40.01 | MohammadAG | Jaffa, the N950 lacks Skype? |
| 22:40.07 | DocScrutinizer | yup |
| 22:40.14 | DocScrutinizer | obviously |
| 22:40.23 | DocScrutinizer | and "of course" |
| 22:40.39 | DocScrutinizer | Skype is proprietary and Skype is M$ now |
| 22:41.10 | javispedro | and Nokia is a M$ subsidiary fwiw |
| 22:41.19 | DocScrutinizer | I can't see Nokia nor Skype invest in porting Skype to meego |
| 22:41.23 | javispedro | I think the final one will have skype |
| 22:41.33 | javispedro | otherwise this communities dominate guy will end up being right.... |
| 22:41.37 | javispedro | which is worrying ;) |
| 22:41.47 | DocScrutinizer | not if Elop has to decide |
| 22:41.50 | cehteh | no skype on the n9? |
| 22:41.57 | javispedro | calm down, calm donw. |
| 22:41.58 | cehteh | haha |
| 22:42.10 | javispedro | no skype on the protos, but who knows on final one. |
| 22:42.10 | cehteh | ok i dont want a n9 and i want to cancel skype anyways |
| 22:42.43 | cehteh | they work hard to make it bad right? |
| 22:42.54 | DocScrutinizer | I tested SIP on harmattan-950 today... poor audio quality |
| 22:42.56 | RzR950 | i see the telepathy package is installed but not avail through ui |
| 22:43.08 | DocScrutinizer | has to check the settings |
| 22:43.24 | RzR950 | DocScrutinizer: maybe we can test toguether tomorow |
| 22:43.31 | RzR950 | i did set it too |
| 22:43.38 | RzR950 | rzr(a)ekiga.net |
| 22:43.47 | cehteh | how much n950 are produced at all? .. few thousands? |
| 22:43.47 | Messer | how is battwry life on n950? |
| 22:43.56 | DocScrutinizer | cehteh: prolly |
| 22:44.27 | cehteh | well it is at least somewhat unique and limited you wont see much of them :P |
| 22:45.06 | DocScrutinizer | Messer: exorbitant, as there's nothing running that could suck battery ;-P I.E. it's meaningless to answer this based on a OS proto |
| 22:45.08 | GeneralAntilles | cehteh, I figure it's got to be at least 5. |
| 22:45.14 | javispedro | it has "DEVELOPER EDITION" as well as "BREAK ME" plastered all over the place |
| 22:45.20 | GeneralAntilles | under that and it's just too expensive. |
| 22:45.34 | cehteh | are there official prices? |
| 22:47.40 | javispedro | other than the 500⬠"fine" if you lose/break it.. |
| 22:48.18 | Macer | damn |
| 22:48.32 | Macer | i need to get to this store and buy a damn t6 screwdriver and see about fixing this damn n900 already |
| 22:49.19 | DocScrutinizer | glares at http://94.199.118.194/devkit/ bg.jpg textinput(id:password... |
| 22:49.38 | MohammadAG | I still don't get why I didn't get a "A Nokia N950 is waiting for you" email |
| 22:49.48 | MohammadAG | I ordered it but still :( |
| 22:49.58 | GeneralAntilles | cehteh, small-batch N900 protos were probably 1000-1500 Euros |
| 22:50.04 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, |
| 22:50.08 | MohammadAG | there's already skype for the N9 |
| 22:50.21 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: Nokia mails fight ALL spamfilter methods you can think of |
| 22:50.23 | cehteh | GeneralAntilles: yeah my thinking about then n950 was about 1200Eur |
| 22:50.33 | Macer | is the n9 even out yet? |
| 22:50.35 | cehteh | if they sell it |
| 22:50.40 | cehteh | Macer: no |
| 22:50.54 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, check spam, no email |
| 22:51.14 | divan | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IU3XHnd5Lo0 |
| 22:51.17 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: my OM mail server *rejected* the nokia mails |
| 22:51.20 | Messer | N900 is about 250 eu used |
| 22:51.22 | divan | oops, wrong window sorry |
| 22:52.04 | javispedro | checks spam folder .... *buy sth online at the leading online generic pharmacy* ... quickly closes window. |
| 22:52.12 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: gmail for example is known to sometimes delay mails for days |
| 22:52.35 | cehteh | btw when will maemo.org be shut down? :) |
| 22:52.45 | MohammadAG | NEVAR |
| 22:52.51 | javispedro | at this rate, probably after meego.com is ;) |
| 22:52.54 | Macer | oh wow |
| 22:52.55 | javispedro | j/k ;) |
| 22:53.01 | cehteh | hehe |
| 22:53.01 | Macer | i was able to take out the torx screws with a damn flathead |
| 22:53.02 | Macer | :) |
| 22:53.03 | Macer | awesome |
| 22:53.07 | nid0 | google's one of the worst large providers to ensure deliverability to though |
| 22:53.23 | DocScrutinizer | Macer: the TX4 on 950? |
| 22:53.39 | MohammadAG | according to javispedro, development for the N950 should only be around maemo |
| 22:53.45 | cehteh | DocScrutinizer: you already disassembled your n950? |
| 22:53.46 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, achipa knows |
| 22:53.46 | Macer | DocScrutinizer: no .. the n900 |
| 22:53.51 | Macer | heh |
| 22:53.55 | DocScrutinizer | cehteh: nope |
| 22:53.57 | Macer | my usb port broke off remember? |
| 22:54.06 | DocScrutinizer | aah |
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| 22:54.27 | MohammadAG | T4? seriously? :| |
| 22:54.29 | javispedro | MohammadAG: but then I'm one of the first guys testing my stuff under meegonetbook ;) |
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| 22:54.35 | MohammadAG | T6 was small enough |
| 22:54.50 | DocScrutinizer | well, if you break off the head on reassemble then you are -- muhahaha - screwed |
| 22:54.51 | MohammadAG | mv javispedro /dev/null |
| 22:55.15 | MohammadAG | ironic choice of words |
| 22:55.16 | MohammadAG | well done |
| 22:55.19 | cehteh | tx6 is the smallest one i have here |
| 22:55.35 | javispedro | mv: inter-device move failed: `javispedro' to `/dev/null'; unable to remove target: Permission denied |
| 22:56.03 | MohammadAG | sudo su; dpkg -r aegis*; mv javispedro /dev/null |
| 22:56.37 | MohammadAG | anyone brave enough to do that btw? |
| 22:56.40 | javispedro | sadly, device exploded after removing aegis |
| 22:56.41 | DocScrutinizer | hah, I bought a TX4 long ago, when I got me a TX6, as I thought "now *if* I ever need that one..." |
| 22:57.47 | cehteh | i wonder why they didnt used TR torx .. just to make it harder |
| 22:58.14 | cehteh | well dunno whats the minimum size for TR .. prolly 6 is already too small |
| 22:58.40 | cehteh | but hey there are 5 or 7 notch variants too :P |
| 22:59.16 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 22:59.22 | DocScrutinizer | :-P |
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| 23:17.17 | GeneralAntilles | rages about lazy Finns. |
| 23:17.28 | DocScrutinizer | btw let's face it: 8GB MyDocs, no uSD slot. This isn't really my dream device |
| 23:19.05 | Macer | well |
| 23:19.07 | Macer | i'll be damned |
| 23:19.09 | Macer | superglue ftw |
| 23:19.10 | Macer | heh |
| 23:19.19 | Macer | it seems to have actually worked... the usb port still gives it a charge |
| 23:20.30 | Macer | going to let it dry out now and slap some more on it to make a nice little plastic lock heh |
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| 23:25.08 | DocScrutinizer | you're aware the green stuff on the PCB is some varnish that doesn't really stick as much as you'd like it to do? |
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| 23:32.34 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, |
| 23:32.48 | MohammadAG | is the N950 screen's width less than the N900's |
| 23:33.32 | Messer | no |
| 23:34.13 | DocScrutinizer | no, pixel are same iirc, dimensions in mm the N950 is larger |
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| 23:37.24 | Macer | damnit |
| 23:37.25 | Macer | guess not |
| 23:37.30 | Macer | 2 of the tracks broke off the usb port :( |
| 23:37.34 | Macer | UGH |
| 23:37.44 | Macer | does an n810 use the same usb port? |
| 23:37.54 | Messer | no |
| 23:38.01 | Macer | damn |
| 23:38.05 | Macer | wow this sucks |
| 23:38.24 | Macer | i thought i had it going but there are two tracks that broke off.. the other 3 were fine but it just won't work |
| 23:38.37 | Macer | i need a replacement usb port.. anywhere i can buy one? |
| 23:38.41 | Messer | Wou can buy an external charger |
| 23:38.42 | MohammadAG | ~n950order |
| 23:38.42 | infobot | [n950order] https://forumnokia.secure.force.com/apex/ProductDetailByName?productName=Nokia+N950 and wait for "internal error" changing to something wonderful eventually :-) |
| 23:38.48 | DocScrutinizer | Macer: I feel sorry with you. It's probably now incredibly hard to fix this again |
| 23:39.41 | Macer | http://cgi.ebay.com/USB-Port-Charging-Connector-NOKIA-N86-N900-7210C-5220C-/220754421623?pt=PDA_Accessories&hash=item3365fd2777#ht_1916wt_802 |
| 23:39.45 | Macer | won't that work? |
| 23:41.01 | DocScrutinizer | Macer: looks very good |
| 23:41.21 | Macer | are the tracks soldered on? |
| 23:41.28 | Macer | or are the 4 solder points on the corner how it is kept in place? |
| 23:41.47 | Macer | and do those 4 solder points actually server a purpose or are they only used to keep it in place? |
| 23:43.47 | DocScrutinizer | there are 5 golden electrical pins and 4 "steel" mechanical support latches |
| 23:43.54 | DocScrutinizer | all are soldered |
| 23:44.36 | Macer | i don't understand how you would be able to solder those points |
| 23:44.45 | Macer | maybe get them hot then throw the port onto it rather quickly |
| 23:44.55 | DocScrutinizer | actually on the original there seem to be 6 mech support pads to solder the component to |
| 23:45.04 | Macer | although the pins might not require solder depending on how the port sits |
| 23:45.30 | Macer | i can't see how you can do it without pulling the board completely out |
| 23:45.40 | Macer | and figuring out some sort of way to do it from the opposite side? |
| 23:45.42 | DocScrutinizer | you can't |
| 23:46.01 | Macer | well i ordered the new usb port with the proper tracks |
| 23:46.04 | Macer | it was only $3 |
| 23:46.26 | Macer | maybe i can take it to an electronics expert and see if they can get it all together for me |
| 23:46.32 | Messer | if you can fix broken usb ports you can make money |
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| 23:46.40 | Macer | heh |
| 23:46.55 | Macer | well i just ordered the new one that is supposed to fit the n900 |
| 23:47.06 | Macer | but i am lost as to how you get this thing back on there once it ripped off |
| 23:47.13 | Macer | talk about a crap job by nokia in its design :) |
| 23:47.26 | DocScrutinizer | but Macer, honestly you rcomments about superglue, about "maybe needs no solder" and about how to solder a SMT component, they make me doubt you should try to do that DIY |
| 23:47.57 | DocScrutinizer | Macer: the idea with electronics expert definitely is the best one :-) |
| 23:48.10 | Macer | well. the diy says to use superglue/epoxy to get it to "stick" to the board |
| 23:48.33 | Macer | i guess by simply holding the tracks onto the pinouts |
| 23:48.53 | Macer | i mean it sounds like a bad way to do it but it is better than what i have now ;) which is no usb port |
| 23:48.55 | DocScrutinizer | WHO says such rubbish? |
| 23:49.06 | Macer | uhm... one sec... i'll find the link |
| 23:49.17 | DocScrutinizer | the arab terrorist troll? |
| 23:50.04 | Messer | Superglue is not a good way to mount electronics components |
| 23:50.08 | Macer | talk.maemo.org.... |
| 23:50.15 | Macer | 74544 |
| 23:50.53 | DocScrutinizer | sorry, cba to reconstruct an URL of this |
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| 23:51.42 | Macer | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=74544 |
| 23:52.08 | Macer | was using my g2 in another room to read the site while i was working on it |
| 23:52.30 | DocScrutinizer | i'm a terrorist :P |
| 23:52.31 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:52.33 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:53.09 | DocScrutinizer | the whole pst is maximum BS |
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| 23:53.54 | DocScrutinizer | the worst thing is he maybe really did what he writes |
| 23:54.26 | Macer | well.. it worked for a split second but the superglue isn't that good as a "holder" |
| 23:54.40 | DocScrutinizer | so it's not exactly easy to ask chemist to take the whole thread down |
| 23:54.41 | Macer | and using epoxy without knowing for sure it will charge seemed like a bad idea |
| 23:55.11 | Macer | but it charged for about 20 seconds untili bumped the power cable |
| 23:55.19 | Macer | and it ripped the port off the glue heh |
| 23:55.43 | Macer | so i had to try to bend the tracks back down again to try to get them to touch and they all snapped off :) |
| 23:55.44 | Messer | lcuk had a good workaround. A small shin to keep preasure on the usb connector |
| 23:56.08 | Macer | Messer: that sounds more complicated than figuring out how to solder it heh |
| 23:56.19 | Macer | i don't see how in the hell you could do it |
| 23:57.10 | Macer | you could probably put tiny pieces of solder on the solder points and samwich it with the usb port and melt it using the top of the port itself i suppose |
| 23:57.41 | Macer | but you would have to be an awesome solderer for that :) |
| 23:57.52 | SpeedEvil | Solder paste |
| 23:58.36 | Macer | SpeedEvil: there is solder paste? LOL |
| 23:58.49 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 23:59.02 | SpeedEvil | It's 50:50 solder balls and fluxx |
| 23:59.11 | SpeedEvil | (90:10 by weight |
| 23:59.15 | Macer | so if i get a new port and use solder paste and rest the usb port on the paste lined up |
| 23:59.25 | Macer | and heat it up it should stick? |
| 23:59.48 | SpeedEvil | you need ideally hot-air. heating the body with an iron may work |
| 23:59.54 | SpeedEvil | None of the pads have peeled off? |
