| 00:00.06 | GeneralAntilles | I wonder if they approach their jobs seriously. |
| 00:00.13 | ieatlint | hehe |
| 00:00.23 | ieatlint | if i had more disposable income, i'd buy this |
| 00:00.27 | cehteh | 2batteries (2000mAh) .... means 1000mAh each |
| 00:00.34 | ieatlint | and next time i go to nokia, i'd bring it as my phone |
| 00:00.43 | trx | hahaha |
| 00:02.17 | cehteh | i wonder if one of this chinese crap manufacturers could just blow all his OS sources into the web |
| 00:02.21 | cehteh | that would be appealing |
| 00:03.12 | DocScrutinizer | related: NCKiA C3 *yeah* |
| 00:03.18 | cehteh | well technically prolly only one OS and HW design exists for this phones and they only adapt the cases :P |
| 00:03.53 | cehteh | Weight:500.000 (g) |
| 00:03.58 | cehteh | bit heavy :P |
| 00:04.40 | cehteh | (even if they mean only 500gramms) |
| 00:05.04 | DocScrutinizer | way dwn they say 132g |
| 00:05.10 | cehteh | hehe ok |
| 00:05.26 | DocScrutinizer | 500 is the box I guess |
| 00:05.28 | cehteh | do this phones actually work? |
| 00:05.48 | DocScrutinizer | well, by any definition of work they *may* |
| 00:06.20 | cehteh | i mean can you expect that the OS crashes every few hours? .. or do european providers blacklist badly implemented/unlicensed stacks? |
| 00:06.30 | DocScrutinizer | though the video shows phone requesting "insert SIM" while obviously he did ;-P |
| 00:07.20 | cehteh | http://www.mobino1.com/product-1519.html |
| 00:07.23 | DocScrutinizer | these are all based on a tested and probably working chipset that comes with a cheap symbian or whatever |
| 00:07.27 | cehteh | awesome design .. |
| 00:07.44 | cehteh | you think thats symbian? |
| 00:08.44 | cehteh | hehe i want this HANMAC ... looks like a digital watch from the end of the 70's became a smartphone :P |
| 00:11.02 | Dhraakellian | cehteh: you hold it like the klingon communicator in Star Trek III |
| 00:11.14 | DocScrutinizer | NOKLA and NCKIA, they are really clever, those Chinese ;-D |
| 00:11.15 | Dhraakellian | hmm... |
| 00:11.21 | Dhraakellian | western union payment? |
| 00:11.29 | cehteh | support incoming call with big head sticker |
| 00:11.31 | Dhraakellian | gotta be legit |
| 00:11.35 | cehteh | wtf .. haha |
| 00:12.06 | cehteh | Lithium Batteries:6800mAh |
| 00:12.16 | cehteh | hey i want that in my n900 |
| 00:12.34 | DocScrutinizer | no you don't ;-P |
| 00:13.11 | Dhraakellian | What's not to like about 6.8 amp-hours? |
| 00:13.12 | cehteh | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:13.19 | DocScrutinizer | yoh |
| 00:13.30 | cehteh | do they use a permutation generator for producing the translations? |
| 00:13.47 | DocScrutinizer | nah, for producing the phones |
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| 00:14.34 | DocScrutinizer | even while it's not mentioned in this ad, I seem to recall the chipset has 64MB |
| 00:14.45 | cehteh | WE DO NOT REPAIR OR REPLACE ITEMS WITH AN EXPIRED WARRANTY. |
| 00:14.52 | cehteh | hey ... like nokia! |
| 00:14.56 | DocScrutinizer | *storage* |
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| 00:16.52 | cehteh | http://www.mobino1.com/product-2093.html with real android? |
| 00:17.24 | DocScrutinizer | no way, the chipset doesn't allow |
| 00:17.51 | Dhraakellian | cehteh: no, it's a fake fake person |
| 00:18.32 | cehteh | haha girl-phone category .. phones with one button and so on :) |
| 00:19.21 | cehteh | ok closing that page .. |
| 00:19.58 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, maybe |
| 00:21.11 | DocScrutinizer | IMEI:3556***857 IMEI:3556***865 WTF?! |
| 00:21.42 | cehteh | come on IMEI's are expensive you didnt expect them to be unique? |
| 00:22.29 | Termana | cehteh, I SEE WHAT YOUR IMPLYING THAR |
| 00:22.47 | Termana | ---> <cehteh> haha girl-phone category .. phones with one button and so on :) |
| 00:24.42 | GAN900 | Every weird person in the city has to come and fill up the neighborhood to see the fireworks. |
| 00:24.45 | DocScrutinizer | the "android" phone comes with >>Analog tv free<< and telescope antenna |
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| 00:24.50 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
| 00:24.55 | GAN900 | Lotta bad drivers. |
| 00:25.04 | DocScrutinizer | too bad here's no more analog TV at all :-P |
| 00:25.14 | cehteh | DocScrutinizer: one of the n900 had a telescope antenna too |
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| 00:27.56 | DocScrutinizer | when I was in a shopee nearby, asking for a holster for my N900, another dude can in with a N900 NOKLA and asked for repair X-P |
| 00:28.11 | DocScrutinizer | s/can/came/ |
| 00:28.46 | Dibblah | For some reason, there's not many fireworks over here. Can't think why. |
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| 00:29.02 | DocScrutinizer | Dibblah: eh? |
| 00:29.31 | Dibblah | Not many people round here celebrate July 4th...? |
| 00:29.54 | GAN900 | Somebody really needs to connect XChat with libconic |
| 00:30.22 | DocScrutinizer | meanwhile: treasure worth maybe 15 billion ⬠found in an indian temple, now guarded by 100 policemen |
| 00:31.25 | DocScrutinizer | I wonder how many rogue Presidents consider sending a company of soldiers |
| 00:31.39 | GAN900 | Tough to fence |
| 00:32.03 | GAN900 | If you're a rogue president you're better off rining the IMF. |
| 00:32.32 | DocScrutinizer | my dict fails |
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| 00:33.02 | DocScrutinizer | and what's IMF |
| 00:33.34 | GAN900 | International Monetary Fund |
| 00:33.38 | GAN900 | and dict fails on what? |
| 00:33.39 | DocScrutinizer | aaah |
| 00:33.52 | DocScrutinizer | ~dict rining |
| 00:34.09 | GAN900 | Ah, oops |
| 00:34.11 | GAN900 | Ringing |
| 00:34.19 | nox- | hah |
| 00:34.49 | nox- | you had me wondering as well :) |
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| 00:35.56 | GAN900 | What is up with musicians putting sirens in their mixes. |
| 00:36.07 | GAN900 | Public safety hazard. |
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| 01:10.53 | FIQ | just wonder, whose idea was it to do a "Connections" section in "Phone" part of settings, AND a Connections part? |
| 01:11.02 | FIQ | that is seperate of phone |
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| 01:29.33 | DocScrutinizer | FIQ: a "Connections" section in "Phone" ? |
| 01:30.55 | DocScrutinizer | FIQ: It's for sure a bit strange to have the data counters in "Phone", but I can't spot any "Connections" section in "Phone" of settings |
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| 02:17.28 | infobot | mohammadag <~MohammadA@Maemo/community/contributor/MohammadAG> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 7h 38m 49s ago, saying: 'noobmonk3y, working apparently :P'. |
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| 04:16.00 | Parslee | turn off the tv forever |
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| 04:36.28 | sw0rdf15h | Hello |
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| 04:40.08 | Parslee | hi |
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| 04:46.21 | hiemanshu | Morning everyone |
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| 05:15.29 | jonwil | ok, since turning the mce source code for MeeGo or Harmattan into code that matches Fremantle is impossible, time to go back to the other project I am working on and write some complete documentation on how to write a new tklock systemui plugin |
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| 05:20.11 | slonopotamus | anyone successfully booted openwrt kernel on n8x0? for some reason it hangs after mounting root partition and freeing unused memory (init is supposed to be started just after it) |
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| 06:03.13 | crashanddie | slonopotamus, topic? |
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| 06:09.00 | slonopotamus_ | crashanddie: that's maemo init :P |
| 06:09.47 | crashanddie | "PROBLEMS WITH NITDROID/MULTIBOOT? reflash rootfs&kernel aka COMBINED" |
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| 06:11.39 | MohammadAG | I thought it also said stay clear of shit |
| 06:15.14 | jonwil | hi MohammadAG |
| 06:16.53 | MohammadAG | hey jonwil |
| 06:17.16 | jonwil | The work to turn the MeeGo and Harmattan mce code into usable Fremantle mce code was a bust |
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| 06:17.34 | jonwil | because of too many changes in powerkey and devlock |
| 06:18.17 | MohammadAG | why? what would break? |
| 06:18.50 | jonwil | well MeeGo mce code has no devlock code at all |
| 06:19.27 | MohammadAG | what's devlock? |
| 06:19.54 | jonwil | device lock I believe |
| 06:20.07 | MohammadAG | can't it be implemented manually? |
| 06:20.19 | jonwil | no, not really |
| 06:20.33 | MohammadAG | It's just a dialog that compares the code enter with cal's lock-code value |
| 06:20.43 | MohammadAG | with some dbus calls |
| 06:20.48 | jonwil | Its not that simple from what I can tell |
| 06:20.57 | jonwil | but even given that, there are too many differences in the powerkey code to get something that works on Fremantle without breaking stuff |
| 06:21.00 | jonwil | and in the tklock code |
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| 06:25.52 | jonwil | the devlock code for example installes handlers to 5 different datapipes (whatever those are) as well as at least 2 dbus handlers |
| 06:27.21 | jonwil | I do plan to see which of the mce modules/plugins I can come up with usable code for though |
| 06:27.39 | jonwil | But right now I am about to make a mailing list post giving all the details you need to replace the tklock systemui plugin |
| 06:28.11 | ruskie | tklock? |
| 06:28.20 | jonwil | toucscreen/key lock |
| 06:28.23 | ruskie | ahh |
| 06:28.39 | jonwil | its the slide-to-unlock screen among other things |
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| 06:33.32 | jonwil | and since MohammadAG is working on a new lockscreen, being able to replace the stock lockscreen instead of simply sitting on top of it seems like a useful goal |
| 06:34.11 | Robot101 | remember the lock screen can also initiate emergency calls |
| 06:35.07 | robbiethe1st | I'd aim for it to be able to make either A, emergency calls, B, calls to contacts, or C, calls to all from there. |
| 06:35.15 | jonwil | That code (whatever it might be) is an implementation detail of the lockscreen itself. Should the stock lockscreen make any dbus calls or other special API calls, those calls will be documented |
| 06:35.18 | robbiethe1st | depending on settingsd |
| 06:36.17 | jonwil | Anything else not handled by the lockscreen may be handled by mce |
| 06:36.20 | jonwil | such as alarm related code |
| 06:36.43 | jonwil | btw, we are talking about the swipe/to/unlock screen here, not the enter-a-code device lock |
| 06:36.49 | jonwil | which is different code altogether |
| 06:37.11 | Robot101 | oh ok - right |
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| 06:37.46 | jonwil | If MohammadAG or anyone else wants me to reverse engineer the enter-a-code lock logic, I will do that later |
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| 07:44.18 | jonwil | I think I am finally beginning to understand the mysteries of the universe. Or at least of the Maemo tklock ui code :) |
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| 07:58.29 | RST38h | jonwil: Be careful: if you find out too much and start talking about it, the agents of the world government will come in a white van and take you away to the mental institution! |
| 07:58.44 | jonwil | lol |
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| 08:17.15 | macmaN | debugging code written on the wall of institution with an imaginary pencil is probably difficult |
| 08:17.51 | macmaN | is it me or does n950 battery go down really fast just idling overnight |
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| 08:24.13 | X-Fade | macmaN: I never check overnight as I charge at night. |
| 08:24.30 | X-Fade | But during the day I have plenty left. |
| 08:25.26 | macmaN | right, just seems a bit uncomfortable with getting n900 finally last like 3 full days or so |
| 08:28.15 | Venemo | macmaN, always keep the N900 on charger while you sleep, and in offline mode. then at the morning when you wake up, plug the charger out and in again |
| 08:28.34 | Venemo | by the time you depart, it will be full |
| 08:28.56 | macmaN | n950 you mean or...? |
| 08:29.03 | macmaN | i dont have an issue with n900 :> |
| 08:29.07 | Venemo | macmaN, I thought we're talking N900 |
| 08:29.16 | Venemo | aaah |
| 08:29.17 | macmaN | no, just comparing |
| 08:29.20 | Venemo | you meant your N950... ehh. |
| 08:29.27 | Venemo | is envious :) |
| 08:29.37 | kerio | <macmaN> ooh look at me i'm so cool i can complain about a very exclusive phone for developers |
| 08:29.37 | kerio | i hate you so much right now |
| 08:29.55 | macmaN | right this hate is just spreading too, im getting attacked on tmo even :> |
| 08:30.03 | kerio | also try to install powertop or something like that |
| 08:30.09 | macmaN | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1044883 |
| 08:30.12 | kerio | perhaps you have something draining your battery |
| 08:30.40 | macmaN | it does have some energy profiler app built in |
| 08:32.04 | Venemo | maybe it's just a bug |
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| 08:36.02 | Venemo | macmaN, btw, congrats for your N950 |
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| 08:36.37 | [DarkGUNMAN] | aye.. lucky bugger |
| 08:37.20 | Termana | kerio, your not a little... butthurt are you? |
| 08:37.28 | kerio | noooo |
| 08:37.30 | kerio | why would you think so |
| 08:37.42 | Termana | <kerio> <macmaN> ooh look at me i'm so cool i can complain about a very exclusive phone for developers |
| 08:37.57 | kerio | i was sarcastic |
| 08:38.01 | kerio | i'm absolutely butthurt |
| 08:38.09 | Termana | lol |
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| 08:38.30 | macmaN | this thing really is tha shiznit |
| 08:38.35 | macmaN | so no wonder |
| 08:38.52 | macmaN | honestly, swipe just redefined how these stupid devices are supposed to be used |
| 08:39.00 | kerio | what does it do? |
| 08:39.05 | macmaN | all of them, android ios etc blah |
| 08:39.19 | MrRagga | hi, i am looking for a similar frontend to promote packages like http://maemo.org/packages/ ? is it a plugin within Midgard CMS or a self written frontend? |
| 08:39.28 | Termana | kerio, it makes phone calls? |
| 08:39.32 | Termana | :p |
| 08:39.45 | kerio | i was talking about swype |
| 08:40.11 | Termana | oh. It's not swype, it's swipe |
| 08:40.26 | X-Fade | MrRagga: It is a midcom component. |
| 08:40.27 | kerio | oh ok |
| 08:40.29 | macmaN | im just talking about the gesture in general, who cares what the trademark is called |
| 08:40.30 | kerio | not the keyboard then |
| 08:40.48 | macmaN | just the way how it matches with human cognition |
| 08:41.05 | MrRagga | X-Fade: so a component within the cms system? if i install midgard i can test it myself? |
| 08:41.23 | X-Fade | MrRagga: Yes. |
| 08:41.23 | macmaN | with re app and context switching. definitely shows that nokia does have a few bright sports either in house or the people in companies they work with. |
| 08:41.31 | kerio | *had |
| 08:41.31 | MrRagga | X-Fade: thanks |
| 08:41.41 | macmaN | i havent found out yet who has originally come up with the whole concept |
| 08:41.50 | X-Fade | macmaN: It is very geared towards maemo of course. |
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| 08:47.56 | Termana | well well well what do we have here? |
| 08:48.42 | Termana | Someone using a nickname they have never used before. But they are using a certain country provider and real name that tells everyone who they are! :p |
| 08:49.55 | Termana | Or one big coincidence |
| 08:50.10 | kerio | come on, there could be more than one joerg in germany |
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| 08:55.55 | hiemanshu | I know 3 joergs in germany :P |
| 08:56.03 | Venemo_N900 | heh |
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| 09:08.01 | kerio | hiemanshu: do they use t-dialin? |
| 09:09.38 | hiemanshu | kerio: hah, never checked :P |
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| 09:23.25 | MrRagga | X-Fade: what is the name of the component? |
| 09:23.39 | X-Fade | MrRagga: org_maemo_packages |
| 09:24.31 | MrRagga | X-Fade: thanks |
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| 09:24.46 | X-Fade | MrRagga: Very obvious name, isn't it? :) |
| 09:27.27 | MrRagga | X-Fade: indeed ;) |
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| 09:28.04 | lardman | morning |
| 09:28.07 | alterego | Aloiha |
| 09:28.11 | alterego | -i |
| 09:28.42 | lardman | checks emails.... |
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| 09:28.54 | lardman | experiences disappointment |
| 09:29.06 | alterego | Heh |
| 09:29.31 | alterego | Is it me or are the meego forums going epically slow? |
| 09:30.42 | robbiethe1st | So has *anyone* gotten an email from the meego devkit device program? |
| 09:30.48 | robbiethe1st | well, the n950 one anyway |
| 09:31.20 | alterego | No |
| 09:31.34 | alterego | I'm sure we'd know as soon as someone has ;) |
| 09:31.57 | robbiethe1st | :p, so that means the few who *do* have them got them through other methods |
| 09:32.08 | alterego | Not entirely, but yes. |
| 09:32.54 | robbiethe1st | that's actually decent news. |
| 09:35.16 | macmaN | mkay, battery drain is actually mentioned in w22 image release notes |
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| 09:55.37 | MohammadAG | any launchpad confirmations yet? :P |
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| 09:58.11 | alterego | Nope |
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| 10:13.08 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: its only tuesday :P |
| 10:14.53 | lardman | hmm, I hope someone's told the Launchpad guys that we expect the emails on Wed in that case ;) |
| 10:16.46 | MohammadAG | I'm expecting the device to spend 4 days in customs |
| 10:18.33 | obcecado | MohammadAG: thanks for the sociality client, seems to work pretty well :-] |
| 10:19.13 | lardman | wonders what laptops play nicely with Linux, or rather which don't |
| 10:19.31 | jonwil | MohammadAG, I posted a data dump to the mailing list with all the info that is related to the tklock systemui plugin |
| 10:19.36 | MohammadAG | you're welcome obcecado |
| 10:19.41 | MohammadAG | I should update it though |
| 10:19.43 | jonwil | In theory it should be enough information to replace it completly |
| 10:20.07 | MohammadAG | jonwil, cool :) |
| 10:21.27 | jonwil | I hope it helps you out |
| 10:21.32 | jonwil | in your lockscreen work |
| 10:21.44 | jonwil | and if you have any questions or need me to do any further reverse engineering, let me know |
| 10:21.54 | jonwil | let me know if you need me to figure out what the devlock stuff does also |
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| 10:22.42 | alterego | MohammadAG: looks like we can blow harmattan home right open with qml .. |
| 10:23.02 | alterego | Can't wait to get one to do some mods. |
| 10:23.09 | MohammadAG | alterego, err what? |
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| 10:24.08 | alterego | Harmattan home looks to be qml based, so should hopefully be quite easy to create extra home views (like widgets) |
| 10:24.17 | jonwil | Same goes for anyone else, anything you want me to reverse engineer or dig into, let me know and I will see what I can do :P |
| 10:24.35 | Hurrian | hmm, is the harmattan ui open source, like fremantle-hildon-desktop? |
| 10:24.59 | alterego | Hurrian: not really no, some parts of it are but the main UX code is not. |
| 10:25.15 | Hurrian | mmm |
| 10:25.21 | lardman | jonwil: thanks for the email |
| 10:25.44 | Hurrian | so, if the n900 bombs out on the thumb-2 instructions for harmattan, there's no way we're getting a full port |
| 10:25.49 | jonwil | I hope that data dump is actually understandable to anyone but me... |
| 10:26.00 | lardman | yes |
| 10:26.18 | jonwil | Sounds like Harmattan goes BACKWARDS as far as whats open and not open goes :( |
| 10:26.28 | Hurrian | on a side note, damn apt-worker.real |
| 10:26.41 | Hurrian | i mean, 78% CPU |
| 10:26.43 | lardman | lol, yes indeed |
| 10:26.45 | Hurrian | you have got to be kidding me |
| 10:26.55 | Hurrian | has nokia heard of apt-get? |
| 10:27.18 | robbiethe1st | Can't you just disablwe it? |
| 10:27.49 | Hurrian | uhh, lets see here, auto-update interval |
| 10:28.02 | Hurrian | next update : after universe's chill death |
| 10:28.03 | robbiethe1st | Oh, yea. I did that on my N900. set it to 1 year |
| 10:28.17 | robbiethe1st | it'll never do it, because you'll manually update more than that |
| 10:29.10 | Hurrian | which reminds me, i'll need to redo my ext4 /home |
| 10:29.11 | ruskie | hmm I need to disable that auto update crap |
| 10:29.26 | Hurrian | i'll probably wait for power48 with the anti-ext4-corruption patch |
| 10:29.48 | ruskie | what corruption patch? |
| 10:30.39 | Hurrian | ask tigerite |
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| 10:31.52 | MohammadAG | jonwil, just read the email, nice :) |
| 10:32.11 | MohammadAG | are you sure "silent" isn't about HILDON_DO_NOT_DISTURB? |
| 10:32.42 | MohammadAG | I ran xprop on the default lockscreen and that atom was set |
| 10:32.50 | MohammadAG | it blocks banners/notifications etc |
| 10:33.23 | MohammadAG | also, TKLOCK_ENABLE_VISUAL doesn't send the signal unlocked, just the one for display = on |
| 10:33.34 | jonwil | ok, well something is sending unlocked |
| 10:33.40 | jonwil | must be the other TKLOCK_blah |
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| 10:33.42 | Hurrian | MohammadAG , working on the lockscreen? |
| 10:33.42 | jonwil | whatever that is |
| 10:33.46 | MohammadAG | in that mode, tactile feedback isn't on |
| 10:34.20 | MohammadAG | I already made a lockscreen, but it overlays the old one |
| 10:34.34 | jonwil | will this lockscreen be open source? |
| 10:34.37 | MohammadAG | jonwil, that's what HILDON_STACKING_LAYER IS FOR |
| 10:35.06 | MohammadAG | http://gitorious.org/maemo5-foss-lockscreen iirc |
| 10:35.28 | MohammadAG | a higher stacking layer means hildon will show it on top |
| 10:35.50 | MohammadAG | the call dialog is layer 9 or 10, slide to answer is that +1 so it overlays it |
| 10:37.03 | MohammadAG | HILDON_WM_ACTION_NO_TRANSITIONS disables transitions, the lockscreen is a dialog shown fullscreen and not a window, so if transitions are enabled it slides downwards (which is a nice effect, but Nokia decided to take it out in PR1.1) |
| 10:38.14 | Hurrian | MAG, i like the transition ;) |
| 10:38.27 | jonwil | regarding silent, I can confirm that the code I have for both Diablo and MeeGo says "@param silent TRUE to disable infoprints, FALSE to enable infoprints" |
| 10:39.32 | jonwil | As for HILDON_DO_NOT_DISTURB, the only places I see that reference it are hildon-desktop.launch, libhildon-1.so, tscalibrate and volume_status_menu_item.so |
| 10:39.39 | MohammadAG | Hurrian, me too, that's why I kept it ;) |
| 10:39.57 | jonwil | all except the last one are open source IIRC |
| 10:39.59 | MohammadAG | jonwil, that atom hides all notifications except battery low |
| 10:40.29 | MohammadAG | volume_status_menu_item.so uses it so the volume bar doesn't show while you're using the volume keys with the status menu open |
| 10:40.44 | jonwil | ok, so anything else you need me to reverse engineer at this point? |
| 10:40.49 | jonwil | or to investigate? |
| 10:40.52 | Venemo_N900 | heya |
| 10:40.54 | MohammadAG | that's kinda retarded, since that's why the status menu closes before an IM arrives, so the flag is no longer valid |
| 10:41.06 | Venemo_N900 | anyone received an email from launchpad yet? |
| 10:41.20 | DocScrutinizer | Termana: what's up? |
| 10:41.31 | MohammadAG | Venemo_N900, all of us, except you |
| 10:41.47 | MohammadAG | :P |
| 10:41.47 | MohammadAG | jonwil, I think that's about enough info |
| 10:42.01 | MohammadAG | thanks |
| 10:42.10 | jonwil | ok, great |
| 10:42.50 | jonwil | So now you can make a complete replacement for libsystemuiplugin_tklock.so |
| 10:43.03 | jonwil | which is how it should be done (rather than overlaying the default lockscreen) |
| 10:43.36 | jonwil | Do you need me to figure out the devlock (device lock) stuff? |
| 10:43.52 | MohammadAG | no need, but my C skills are meh at best |
| 10:43.59 | Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG, srsly? |
| 10:44.06 | DocScrutinizer | kerio: hiemanshu: eh? joerg? |
| 10:44.16 | MohammadAG | Venemo_N900, of course... not |
| 10:44.35 | Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG, ? |
| 10:44.38 | Venemo_N900 | ah, ok. |
| 10:44.44 | Venemo_N900 | I understand :P |
| 10:44.52 | MohammadAG | Venemo_N900, I was messing around, no one got anything |
| 10:45.00 | MohammadAG | besides Jaffa |
| 10:45.02 | jonwil | ok, so I wont bother reverse engineering the device lock bits then |
| 10:45.39 | jonwil | Ok, so if I am going to reverse engineer some mce plugins, which plugin(s) should I focus on? |
| 10:45.49 | jonwil | Which ones would be usefull to have as open source? |
| 10:46.03 | MohammadAG | there are some open source ones afaik |
| 10:46.11 | MohammadAG | in MeeGo's repo |
| 10:46.31 | lardman | jonwil: did you find that accidentally released code? |
| 10:46.47 | jonwil | yep, I found the Diablo MCE code |
| 10:46.50 | Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG, I'm starting to get worried |
| 10:46.51 | lardman | cool |
| 10:46.54 | jonwil | didnt help all that much |
| 10:47.00 | lardman | :) |
| 10:47.01 | jonwil | as the N900 and N8x0 are so diffrerent |
| 10:47.39 | Venemo_N900 | yea |
| 10:48.29 | jonwil | yeah the MeeGo mce codebase has some meego mce plugins |
| 10:49.19 | jonwil | But what I am trying to find out is which maemo MCE plugins I should clone (using the meego MCE plugin code as a guide and reference and then matching that code back to the Fremantle binaries) |
| 10:50.25 | jonwil | we have libaccellerometer.so, libalarm.so, libaudiorouting.so, libbattery.so, libcallstate.so, libcamera.so, libdisplay.so, libfilter-brightness-als.so, libfilter-brightness-simple.so, libhomekey.so, libinactivity.so, libkeypad.so, libled.so and libvibrator.so |
| 10:50.41 | jonwil | which of those sound like they would be worth being able to recompile and replace on Fremantle? |
| 10:52.17 | SpeedEvil | thinks he'd need to do way more research. |
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| 10:58.08 | DocScrutinizer2 | ~lart Termana |
| 10:58.08 | infobot | whacks Termana with a giant beaver's tail |
| 10:58.23 | lardman | Jaffa: does the N950 support channel bonding in 802.11n wireless connections? |
| 10:58.31 | MohammadAG | jonne, I'd guess libdisplay |
| 10:58.40 | MohammadAG | libcallstate does some annoying things too |
| 10:59.00 | MohammadAG | I mean, I'd rather have touch disabled than the whole display off when a call is active |
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| 11:03.06 | MohammadAG | Jaffa, when clicking the power button on the N950, do you get a menu or does it simply lock the device? |
| 11:03.17 | macmaN | locks |
| 11:03.30 | macmaN | its actually quite convenient |
| 11:03.47 | jonwil | IIRC someone said they wanted to do things for brightness, maybe I should do that too |
| 11:04.07 | alterego | Does the N950 have dedicated camera button? |
| 11:04.10 | jonwil | vibrator too |
| 11:04.13 | macmaN | no it doesnt |
| 11:04.16 | macmaN | app launched |
| 11:04.22 | alterego | lame |
| 11:04.43 | jonwil | I might just go ahead and do all of them where possible :) |
| 11:04.43 | macmaN | for me it seems like having the camera app in task switcher makes me feel the best |
| 11:04.50 | macmaN | on standby |
| 11:04.51 | alterego | harmattan: quickest launch to picture, but you have to find the icon first. |
| 11:04.59 | alterego | yeah |
| 11:04.59 | macmaN | lol true |
| 11:05.03 | alterego | was thinking that |
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| 11:05.22 | macmaN | but since you currently cant close apps at all with downswipe |
| 11:05.23 | macmaN | ... |
| 11:05.32 | alterego | I want a recent "media" view in home |
| 11:05.34 | macmaN | i guess thats why i dont want to be bothered with relaunching all the time |
| 11:05.37 | alterego | Think I might mod one |
| 11:06.01 | alterego | camerad is always running anyway :) |
| 11:06.05 | alterego | It's prestarted |
| 11:06.15 | macmaN | yeah. just a mental thing. |
| 11:06.16 | alterego | cameraui even |
| 11:06.59 | MohammadAG | macmaN, can you comfortably press two hardware buttons at the same time? |
| 11:07.10 | MohammadAG | like power + volume |
| 11:07.12 | macmaN | wdym? |
| 11:07.22 | macmaN | with one hand or how or what? |
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| 11:07.26 | MohammadAG | having a shortcut to the camera is useful |
| 11:09.33 | DocScrutinizer | ~seen Termana |
| 11:09.43 | infobot | termana is currently on #htc-linux (11h 36m 55s). Has said a total of 13 messages. Is idling for 2h 19m 48s, last said: 'Or one big coincidence'. |
| 11:09.45 | alterego | You know what else I'd like to see modded? Using bluetooth or headset remote to take a picture. |
| 11:09.51 | alterego | That would make having a tripod awesome .. |
| 11:10.39 | DocScrutinizer | ~seen hiemanshu |
| 11:10.40 | infobot | hiemanshu is currently on #kde (9d 8h 8m 22s). Has said a total of 865 messages. Is idling for 57m 32s, last said: 'MohammadAG: its only tuesday :P'. |
| 11:11.09 | DocScrutinizer | ~seen DocScrutinizer51 |
| 11:11.09 | infobot | docscrutinizer51 is currently on #openmoko (5d 13h 14m 4s) #openmoko-cdevel (5d 13h 14m 4s). Has said a total of 9 messages. Is idling for 1d 5h 7m 4s, last said: 'moin auch'. |
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| 11:11.42 | DocScrutinizer | ~+chaninfo |
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| 11:12.47 | *** topic/#maemo is Welcome to #maemo http://maemo.org/intro/ | http://maemo.nokia.com/ | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council | Source: http://wiki.maemo.org/Sources | Chanlog: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | PROBLEMS WITH NITDROID/MULTIBOOT? reflash rootfs&kernel aka COMBINED |
| 11:13.10 | macmaN | i ordered this http://www.dealextreme.com/p/mini-plastic-tripod-for-cell-phone-34564 for the n900 |
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| 11:13.30 | macmaN | MohammadAG: yeah those buttons are quite close, i can see a shortcut thing workingthere |
| 11:13.39 | macmaN | you can press them with one hand too |
| 11:13.57 | *** mode/#maemo [+v infobot] by ChanServ |
| 11:14.32 | DocScrutinizer | ~seen DocScrutinizer51 |
| 11:14.33 | infobot | docscrutinizer51 is currently on #maemo #openmoko-cdevel #openmoko, last said: 'moin auch'. |
| 11:14.33 | alterego | Nice N9 review: http://conversations.nokia.com/2011/07/05/two-weeks-with-the-nokia-n9/?sf1748383=1 |
| 11:14.47 | DocScrutinizer | ~seen Termana |
| 11:14.47 | infobot | termana is currently on #htc-linux #maemo, last said: 'Or one big coincidence'. |
| 11:14.55 | DocScrutinizer | better |
| 11:15.28 | MohammadAG | what about <DocScrutinizer> ~+chaninfo :P |
| 11:15.38 | DocScrutinizer | ~+chaninfo |
| 11:15.38 | infobot | I'm on 26 channels: #debian/1084, #maemo/367, #kde/328, #openmoko/104, #htc-linux/82, #openmoko-cdevel/77, #slug/44, #/26, #debianppc/20, #debian.gr/17, ##guleague/14, #elive/10, #debian-bots/9, ##essy/9, #debian-france/8, #openslug/6, #linuxpakistan/4, #wowroster/4, #lugwv/3, ##pxe/3, ##bz-inc/3, ##bspress/2, ##ols/2, ##icf/2, #palmchat/1 |
| 11:15.38 | infobot | i've cached 2229 users, 1981 unique users, distributed over 26 channels. |
| 11:16.14 | DocScrutinizer | joining in a throttled way |
| 11:16.38 | DocScrutinizer | ~+chaninfo |
| 11:16.38 | infobot | I'm on 29 channels: #debian/1088, #maemo/367, #kde/328, #openmoko/104, #htc-linux/82, #openmoko-cdevel/77, #slug/44, #/26, #debianppc/20, #debian.gr/17, ##guleague/14, ##ducleague/11, #elive/10, #debian-bots/9, ##essy/9, #debian-france/8, #openslug/6, #linuxpakistan/4, #wowroster/4, #lugwv/3, ##pxe/3, ##bz-inc/3, #arm-netbook/2, ##bspress/2, ##t42/2, ##ols/2, ##icf/2, #palmchat/1 |
| 11:16.38 | infobot | i've cached 2248 users, 1988 unique users, distributed over 29 channels. |
| 11:17.17 | nicofs | I just want to send an sms with my n900 but somehow i don't have any contacts to send it to... what can i do about that? |
| 11:17.18 | Corsac | âa solid email clientâ aha |
| 11:17.28 | Corsac | not exactly the pov of Jaffa |
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| 11:21.02 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: I still wonder what's the fuss about >>ast said: 'Or one big coincidence'.<< |
| 11:21.21 | DocScrutinizer | somebody stole my nick or what? |
| 11:21.59 | DocScrutinizer | [2011-07-05 10:51:49] [CTCP] Versionsanfrage von Termana empfangen. |
| 11:24.55 | nicofs | Please guys... someone must have at some point used his device to send an sms... |
| 11:25.15 | psycho_oreos | using contacts of course |
| 11:25.43 | nicofs | if i choose someone from contacts i can either skype or phone... i want sms... |
| 11:26.14 | nicofs | if i choose conversations -> new sms i don't have any contacts... |
| 11:26.29 | Shapeshifter | nicofs: sounds broken |
| 11:26.38 | psycho_oreos | have you actually tried entering the number for the person you want to sms to? |
| 11:27.04 | psycho_oreos | I mean I don't understand what your problem is to be frank |
| 11:27.10 | nicofs | psycho_oreos, if i type in a number the sms gets there - but that's not a solution... |
| 11:27.28 | nicofs | i can't memorize every number from my contact list... |
| 11:27.30 | MohammadAG | nicofs, can you check if you have SMS disabled for phones? |
| 11:27.35 | psycho_oreos | nicofs, so you used to have people in your contacts but now they're all gone? |
| 11:27.43 | MohammadAG | it might be picking up all numbers as phones for some reason |
| 11:27.56 | MohammadAG | psycho_oreos, he has his contacts set up right, but without an SMS button |
| 11:28.06 | nicofs | psycho_oreos, i have a full contact list - but the sms app can't access it, i guess |
| 11:28.21 | lardman | nicofs: see MohammadAG's comment |
| 11:28.26 | MohammadAG | Contacts -> SEttings -> Display SMS only for Mobile numbers |
| 11:28.27 | nicofs | MohammadAG, how can i do that? |
| 11:28.31 | psycho_oreos | MohammadAG, oh |
| 11:29.08 | lardman | or just set the contacts' phone numbers to the correct type |
| 11:29.28 | nicofs | MohammadAG, that did the trick... thanks a lot |
| 11:29.46 | Shapeshifter | I'm bored. What fun thing can I do with the n900? |
| 11:29.55 | Shapeshifter | I've got like an hour to waste |
| 11:30.06 | MohammadAG | n900fly |
| 11:30.11 | psycho_oreos | lol |
| 11:30.13 | Shapeshifter | I'd rather not |
| 11:30.24 | psycho_oreos | I personally wouldn't too :) |
| 11:30.48 | lardman | you could do it programmatically |
| 11:31.08 | lardman | in fact it's a shame the contacts app doesn't do it for you by recognising the numbers |
| 11:31.21 | psycho_oreos | price of smashed phone= ~$600, price of replacing broken (and now longer easily obtained N900)= priceless :) |
| 11:31.39 | DocScrutinizer | nicofs: your SMS service plugin for contacts is messed up or gone (wild handwaving, had same for VoIP) |
| 11:31.40 | psycho_oreos | s/now/now\ no/ |
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| 11:32.15 | DocScrutinizer | nicofs: or what MohammadAG said |
| 11:32.28 | psycho_oreos | *rolls eyes* my quote was full of fails lol, ah well |
| 11:32.52 | psycho_oreos | Shapeshifter, improve scripts? ;) |
| 11:33.53 | DocScrutinizer | lardman: ++ |
| 11:34.03 | Shapeshifter | I could fix that bug in alarmed |
| 11:34.09 | Shapeshifter | mh, but the latest source in on my laptop. |
| 11:34.10 | DocScrutinizer | lardman: indeed a PITA |
| 11:34.21 | Shapeshifter | turns on computers at home |
| 11:34.24 | lardman | ponders the closedness of some components |
| 11:34.43 | lardman | and the fact it means we can't add useful features |
| 11:34.56 | RST38h | just write them from scratch |
| 11:35.15 | DocScrutinizer | lardman: ++ |
| 11:35.16 | lardman | RST38h: yeah, we didn't know we'd need to when the N900 came out though |
| 11:35.42 | lardman | but I guess we should just crack on and do so for the N950/N9 in the expectation that things probably won't get fixed |
| 11:35.49 | Shapeshifter | me ponders that the open source components are too complicated for him to understand and adapt. like modest, hildon-desktop etc... |
| 11:36.26 | DocScrutinizer | some of them for sure |
| 11:36.34 | Jaffa | lardman: No idea. Not got 802.11n here |
| 11:36.40 | Shapeshifter | I can write a small program in C, but all that stuff is so big and complicated :| |
| 11:36.40 | DocScrutinizer | telepathy ;-O |
| 11:36.40 | Jaffa | lardman: Not seen it in the settings |
| 11:36.45 | SpeedEvil | It'd be so nice if we could go back to the start with n900 |
| 11:36.52 | SpeedEvil | And do it 'right'. |
| 11:36.53 | lardman | Jaffa: np, was just curious as I need to buy a new wireless router |
| 11:37.03 | MohammadAG | wl1271 is 802.11n afaik |
| 11:37.13 | SpeedEvil | With the knowledge that it's possible to get past some of the closed stuff. |
| 11:37.20 | RST38h | lardman: but NOW we know better, don't we? :) |
| 11:37.22 | SpeedEvil | And much of the closed stuff was in fact open |
| 11:37.27 | ruskie | mmm would be nice to be able to use e17/illume on the n900 instead of hildon... |
| 11:37.28 | DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: and poooooorly documented |
| 11:37.36 | lardman | RST38h: yes I'd say so |
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| 11:37.49 | jonwil | far too much of the important bits on the N900 and yes the N9 and N950 is closed source |
| 11:37.51 | lardman | RST38h: and if we're wrong, then we can be pleasantlt surprised |
| 11:37.55 | psycho_oreos | but there's things that one wished Nokia would have done more of a proper job in adding useful functions in, like alarm without the ability to set workdays is annoying when one has multiple/sequential alarms :) |
| 11:38.14 | Shapeshifter | psycho_oreos: I wrote a program for that |
| 11:38.18 | RST38h | lardman: always the case with pessimists! =) |
| 11:38.19 | lardman | psycho_oreos: don't get me started on the calendar |
| 11:38.38 | psycho_oreos | Shapeshifter, alarmed? :) |
| 11:38.51 | Shapeshifter | psycho_oreos: yeah. you can set which workdays |
| 11:39.08 | psycho_oreos | lardman, there's plenty of other little nuisances one can find when using N900 on a daily basis :) |
| 11:39.31 | Shapeshifter | modest is the worst thing about the n900 |
| 11:39.39 | lardman | HAM |
| 11:39.47 | Shapeshifter | apt-get works... |
| 11:39.48 | ruskie | HAM |
| 11:39.50 | DocScrutinizer | meh, simply do email on a *real* PC :-P |
| 11:40.00 | Shapeshifter | email is essential in communication |
| 11:40.06 | Shapeshifter | more important that phoning, for me |
| 11:40.10 | psycho_oreos | Shapeshifter, hmm, should make it a todo thing about importing user set alarms through osso-alarm or osso-clock whatever it was |
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| 11:40.56 | DocScrutinizer | psycho_oreos: won't fly |
| 11:41.17 | psycho_oreos | lol email functionality was provided but was not done properly :) its kinda like buying a car that would could actually go but you had to pedal by feet (like flintstones) ;) |
| 11:41.17 | ruskie | checked stast that the cellco offers for the past few months on his cell usage... calls: 0, 1, 0, 4, 0 sms: 1, 2, 0, 0, 1 mms: 0, 0, 0, 0, 0 data(in mb): 200, 300, 100, 200, 400 |
| 11:41.29 | ruskie | calls in minutes that is |
| 11:41.30 | DocScrutinizer | psycho_oreos: you'd have to integrate alarmed into all those usually closed bits |
| 11:41.43 | psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer, Iãknow I know, as with lots of other things *sigh* I'll just have to do them by hand :/ |
| 11:42.02 | psycho_oreos | the individual entries that I had with osso-clock |
| 11:42.07 | Shapeshifter | ruskie: I barely do 5 calls a month |
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| 11:42.17 | ruskie | Shapeshifter, I barely do 1 |
| 11:42.18 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, like selecting "mobile" instead of "phone" for 70% of new contacts |
| 11:42.24 | MohammadAG | RST38h, lardman Fremantle seems more open than Harmattan |
| 11:42.35 | ruskie | Shapeshifter, those were in minutes... so basically last 5 months... 5 minutes of calls |
| 11:42.51 | psycho_oreos | :o |
| 11:42.54 | Shapeshifter | mhm |
| 11:43.07 | DocScrutinizer | ruskie: looks like my stats |
| 11:43.25 | cpscotti | DocScrutinizer, ruskie : me too! |
| 11:43.30 | ruskie | I'd like to get data closer to my limit of 2GB |
| 11:43.32 | Shapeshifter | damn, I forgot that windows overwrote my MBR |
| 11:43.39 | ruskie | but no matter how much I try I can't really get it |
| 11:43.39 | Shapeshifter | now my desktop at home booted windows |
| 11:43.42 | Shapeshifter | didn't fix it yet |
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| 11:43.45 | DocScrutinizer | ruskie: emule ;-P |
| 11:43.55 | ruskie | haven't used that in aeons |
| 11:44.00 | DocScrutinizer | ruskie: get spare batteries! |
| 11:44.02 | psycho_oreos | ruskie, mirror some maemo repositories or even nokia maemo repository ;) |
| 11:44.30 | DocScrutinizer | ruskie: wathing streaming video is another good way |
| 11:44.35 | psycho_oreos | or just crawl through mxr LOL |
| 11:44.47 | DocScrutinizer | 30min of live broadcast ~500MB |
| 11:44.54 | ruskie | DocScrutinizer, ha |
| 11:45.05 | ruskie | I watched a whole 90 minute footbal match a year or so ago |
| 11:45.10 | ruskie | I think it came ~500mb |
| 11:45.35 | DocScrutinizer | depends on content ;-) |
| 11:45.58 | DocScrutinizer | fotball has really low info density |
| 11:46.32 | DocScrutinizer | *MY* fav TV otoh ... ;-P |
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| 11:46.45 | ruskie | I really can't force my eyes on the tiny screen sadly |
| 11:47.14 | Parslee | Get nearsighted |
| 11:47.22 | psycho_oreos | you can just use N900 as a mobile broadband modem you know, you don't have to watch things or do things with a small screen :) |
| 11:47.31 | DocScrutinizer | I regularly watch TV via IPTV and TV linked to AV |
| 11:47.49 | ruskie | psycho_oreos, but what would I use it with |
| 11:47.59 | ruskie | I don't have a laptop |
| 11:48.10 | psycho_oreos | ruskie, not even a computer?ã:) |
| 11:48.11 | ruskie | I hardly consider the eeepc something worth using a lot... |
| 11:48.18 | psycho_oreos | lol |
| 11:48.22 | DocScrutinizer | ruskie: >/dev/null ;-P |
| 11:48.26 | ruskie | and I have a usb 3g dongle that I can use |
| 11:48.33 | psycho_oreos | but you have to admit that eeepc has a much bigger screen than N900 :) |
| 11:48.49 | ruskie | eeepc 701 |
| 11:48.53 | psycho_oreos | lol and null device becomes full ;) |
| 11:49.28 | ruskie | so 7" screen |
| 11:49.29 | psycho_oreos | yeah, 10" vs what 3 or so inches? :) |
| 11:49.30 | ruskie | not that much bigger |
| 11:49.35 | ruskie | 701 is 7" |
| 11:49.36 | psycho_oreos | its still double ;D |
| 11:49.56 | ruskie | I'm planing on getting a touchbook or an eee pad transformer or the lenove thinkpad tablet thingy... |
| 11:50.01 | DocScrutinizer | a friend of mine used to start 3 or 4 concurrent lifestreams when he left home. Rationale: it's flatrate so I want to USE it! OMG |
| 11:50.04 | ruskie | erm lenovo even |
| 11:50.17 | psycho_oreos | what about a big TV? you can probably do what DocScrutinizer did, hook it up to TV and watch IPTV, youtube or whatever through there :D |
| 11:50.33 | ruskie | already have a media box hooked to the tv at home |
| 11:50.40 | cpscotti | finds out that blinkbox.com works on his n900; "How to use all you data problem" solved. |
| 11:50.48 | ruskie | and I'd really NOT want to use 3g to stream anything bigger than a matchbox |
| 11:51.27 | ruskie | cpscotti, "not available in your country" |
| 11:51.31 | psycho_oreos | just trying to find ways for you to eat up more of that 2G quota :p. I'm somewhat envious (I'm stuck here with 300MB) |
| 11:51.32 | ruskie | so... no that doesn't work |
| 11:51.44 | ruskie | psycho_oreos, I pay what... 12 eur for that quota |
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| 11:51.55 | ruskie | I can up it to 20gb for 18 eur |
| 11:52.02 | ruskie | or down to I think 100mb for 8 eur |
| 11:52.13 | ruskie | I don't make package contracts |
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| 11:52.18 | ruskie | basic service I pay 5 eur |
| 11:52.29 | ruskie | for no minutes, sms, mms, data |
| 11:52.58 | Hurrian | psycho_oreos, IPTV? |
| 11:53.25 | Hurrian | screw that, how about a script that fetches RSS of new shows and auto-subscribes and torrents them? |
| 11:53.26 | psycho_oreos | ruskie, that's relatively cheap compared to here :) in my case I don't just get 300MB (that 300MB one of the three options I was entitled to as added bonus), I get fair few hours worth of calls, and few SMS for AUD$79/month |
| 11:53.42 | psycho_oreos | Hurrian, yeah streaming video TV :) |
| 11:53.52 | Hurrian | i always wanted to automate my RSS downloads |
| 11:53.53 | psycho_oreos | that was somewhat suggested :) |
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| 11:54.04 | psycho_oreos | heh write a scraper ;) |
| 11:54.27 | Hurrian | i dont want to look for shows, i want to watch shows, and have the scheduled air times show on some home screen |
| 11:54.30 | ruskie | I'm lucky that I'm still keeping my own package... I don't upgrade the package at all... |
| 11:54.46 | Hurrian | and in my country, digital TV and cable TV are shite |
| 11:54.48 | ruskie | the one I started with |
| 11:55.08 | Hurrian | ever since i replaced all my tubes with LCD TVs, i need HD content |
| 11:55.09 | psycho_oreos | haha Hurrian that more or less makes two of us |
| 11:55.28 | Hurrian | ...the Internet gives me my HD content |
| 11:55.35 | ruskie | atm the cheapest I could get would be 7â¬/month if I started new and I get 51 minutes in that included |
| 11:55.37 | Hurrian | but damn, i cant be assed to look for my own shows |
| 11:55.59 | Hurrian | hmm, time to make a script myself then |
| 11:56.11 | Hurrian | every few hours = timeslot |
| 11:56.12 | ruskie | there are tools for that already Hurrian |
| 11:56.26 | ruskie | automating rss torrent ep downloads |
| 11:56.45 | Hurrian | at certain times of day, it dl's and shows... shows/movies of $TIMESLOT genre |
| 11:56.57 | Hurrian | hmm, should probably add auto-compensation for download times |
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| 11:58.22 | Hurrian | ruskie, i already have RSS for torrent downloads of episodes |
| 11:58.35 | Hurrian | i meant, the script automatically looks for new shows and downloads them |
| 11:58.55 | ruskie | is trying to figure out if people really don't calculate that N months*price is higher than buying device operator free... |
| 12:00.02 | Hurrian | ruskie: people love $1/device + $70/month "unlimited" data |
| 12:00.10 | ruskie | yeah I've noticed |
| 12:00.16 | Hurrian | also, in the USA, people love CDMA |
| 12:00.18 | lardman | over here it's about the same |
| 12:00.25 | Hurrian | why the fuck they do, i don't know |
| 12:00.47 | psycho_oreos | more providers in stateside uses CDMAãfrom what I've read and heard |
| 12:00.54 | Hurrian | i mean, if you bring your CDMA superdroid over to Europe, it turns into an iPod Touch ;) |
| 12:00.59 | lardman | or indeed sometimes margnially cheaper as you get more data/minutes/etc if you pay more per month, even if that does subsidise the device cost |
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| 12:02.19 | alterego | I bet quims emails are in launchpad spam |
| 12:02.36 | alterego | I'm still hopeful tomorrow is the day :) |
| 12:02.56 | fosstux | Hi! I'm thinking about moving to gpe-contacts and gpe-calendar. |
| 12:03.21 | fosstux | How can I easily import my contacts and calendars into the gpe apps? |
| 12:03.21 | ruskie | the media made a point in calculating how much an iphone 4 costs on contract vs cellco free... |
| 12:03.22 | alterego | great ... |
| 12:03.32 | alterego | ruskie: and? |
| 12:03.33 | ruskie | the diff between the cheapest 16gb model was like 400eur overpayed |
| 12:03.48 | alterego | wow |
| 12:03.52 | alterego | got a link? |
| 12:04.14 | ruskie | http://www.delo.si/druzba/infoteh/koliko-stane-iphone.html <-- you'll need to translate it ;) |
| 12:04.29 | ruskie | the comparison on how much it costs you from operators is in the pdf linked to at the bottom of the article |
| 12:04.33 | alterego | heh, thanks |
| 12:04.44 | ruskie | the free price of it is somewhere in the beginging(630 eur) |
| 12:05.03 | alterego | Yeah, sounds free to me .. |
| 12:05.41 | ruskie | I mean taking out a loan for 630 eur you would overpay like 20-50 eur somewhere... |
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| 12:06.28 | DocScrutinizer | has PAYG since 1999 |
| 12:06.38 | DocScrutinizer | never felt like changing that |
| 12:06.52 | alterego | same sim? :P |
| 12:06.56 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 12:06.58 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
| 12:07.09 | alterego | Heh |
| 12:07.56 | DocScrutinizer | not like it's my only sim - bought me like 20 or 30 for test purposes |
| 12:08.09 | alterego | Heh |
| 12:08.17 | alterego | I've got about 10 |
| 12:08.18 | DocScrutinizer | you know, senior EE of a phone builder company |
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| 12:09.13 | DocScrutinizer | ex* |
| 12:09.22 | ruskie | I started with prepay |
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| 12:09.39 | ruskie | but frankly... the prices for calls and data simply were to high |
| 12:09.59 | DocScrutinizer | they were high in the beginning |
| 12:10.10 | DocScrutinizer | now are better than contract most usually |
| 12:10.15 | ruskie | though I did actually change to postpay like in 2008 or so |
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| 12:11.08 | Hurrian | ah wow |
| 12:11.19 | DocScrutinizer | and as the subsidized bricks they offer for their contracts never are what I'm looking for, there's definitely no use in contracts for me |
| 12:11.36 | Hurrian | DocScrutinizer: same |
| 12:11.40 | nid0 | im on a contract, dunno about elsewhere in the world but contract + subsidized phone prices in the uk tend to work out fairly decent |
| 12:11.53 | Hurrian | they give me some useless nokia brick every year |
| 12:12.01 | Hurrian | lately, they gave me a C3-01 |
| 12:12.13 | Hurrian | S40 --- the pain |
| 12:12.28 | ruskie | s40... imho the best mobile os around |
| 12:12.31 | ruskie | for phones |
| 12:12.44 | Hurrian | ...out of memory |
| 12:12.52 | Hurrian | what the hell? |
| 12:13.00 | Hurrian | is nokia still to cheap to buy more RAM? |
| 12:13.01 | ruskie | it's not meant to be used as a feature/smart phone |
| 12:13.12 | ruskie | it's meant to be used as... a phone |
| 12:13.17 | Hurrian | anyways, the great tactile on it is... great |
| 12:13.33 | Hurrian | you can feel the touchscreen button under your finger |
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| 12:13.45 | Hurrian | although i think it has a lot to do with the metal back cover |
| 12:13.45 | DocScrutinizer | I'm fine with ~10EUR / month right now: pay 30 get 30 on top for bonus minutes/sms. The basic 30 go for 500mb data @ 10/month, the bonus goes higher and higher as my calls are like 5min/month |
| 12:13.47 | Parslee | what |
| 12:14.18 | ruskie | hmm comparing postpaid and prepaid... the call prices are the same atm... |
| 12:14.28 | Hurrian | ruskie, not here |
| 12:14.35 | Parslee | Hurrian...'feel touchscreen button |
| 12:14.43 | ruskie | and if I go with a specific setup(no monthly cost just how much I use) I cen even get mobile net options... |
| 12:14.45 | Hurrian | i rarely if ever text people, so i always call |
| 12:15.08 | ruskie | postpaid |
| 12:15.12 | Hurrian | US$20/mo with unlimited data + unlimited calls to own network |
| 12:15.24 | ruskie | that would certainly save me an extra 5 eur/month |
| 12:15.26 | Hurrian | Parslee , have you tried any of the new symbian devices? |
| 12:15.32 | Hurrian | tactile is excellent |
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| 12:15.34 | Parslee | no |
| 12:15.43 | ruskie | but I have some other things enabled on my service that I would then lose |
| 12:16.06 | Parslee | The screen dynamically createss raised buttons? |
| 12:16.19 | Hurrian | parslee , i meant the vibration |
| 12:16.31 | ruskie | actually my cellco is offering voip service now as well |
| 12:16.34 | Hurrian | it's just long enough to feel enough like a button |
| 12:16.45 | DocScrutinizer | Parslee: your idea is WiP |
| 12:16.49 | Parslee | ahh |
| 12:17.09 | nid0 | personally half the reason I hold on to my current contract is because of its' unlimited data allowance that my network dont offer any more :< |
| 12:17.15 | DocScrutinizer | takes another maybe 5 years |
| 12:17.24 | Hurrian | ruskie, they better start moving to voip and charge for data |
| 12:17.36 | Hurrian | with 4G mandating all-IP etc |
| 12:18.11 | ruskie | haha |
| 12:18.15 | DocScrutinizer | Hurrian: that's a simplified view on 4G |
| 12:18.18 | ruskie | they actually started an LTE test network |
| 12:18.24 | ruskie | but they don't even have ipv6 |
| 12:18.42 | nid0 | makes sense not to |
| 12:19.12 | ecke | anyone in here who use weechat? |
| 12:20.33 | Hurrian | well, if you buy their really cheap SIM cards and putting it into your phone, you're already transmitting data to the tower, and basically have a data connection 24/7. what they should charge you for would be the peering to other networks, e.g. the internet |
| 12:20.57 | ruskie | their voip setup is free for softphone use and payed for normal calls or to normal numbers through softphone |
| 12:21.39 | ruskie | I should probably enable it |
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| 12:21.49 | Hurrian | ruskie, so it's free for voip->voip? |
| 12:21.53 | ruskie | yup |
| 12:22.23 | ruskie | they do charge 2eur for the service though |
| 12:22.25 | ruskie | hmm |
| 12:22.29 | ruskie | is it worth it... |
| 12:22.32 | ruskie | probably not |
| 12:22.38 | Hurrian | ah, i noticed a lot of operators switching to IP backbones recently, probably explains all the "unlimited everything" everything |
| 12:23.32 | Hurrian | ...within one network, of course |
| 12:26.07 | ruskie | they really should make this a free service |
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| 12:27.17 | ruskie | not pay us an extra 2 eur to use it |
| 12:28.10 | ruskie | then it would actually make sense to me to get a mobile internet service and use the sip stuff on the n900 and lose the data addon on the main service |
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| 12:29.57 | flux | ruskie, so they should make a service free in order for you to be able to stop paying for their other service as well, that's going to fly.. ;-) |
| 12:30.10 | ruskie | flux, you misunderstand ;) |
| 12:30.24 | ruskie | I'd still be paying the 5eur/month for normal phone service |
| 12:30.28 | ruskie | sip should be included for free in that |
| 12:30.47 | ruskie | the only change would be that I would drop the data addon from that service and buy a separate data service from them |
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| 12:32.27 | ruskie | and yes I would get the data package from them ;) |
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| 12:32.44 | ruskie | mainly because I don't like for whatever reasons any of the other primary providers |
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| 12:36.06 | ruskie | goes to bother his landline provider that has voip service about when they are planing to unlock access for softphone use... |
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| 13:00.38 | DocScrutinizer | ruskie: I'd like them to pay me 2 eur to use it ;-D |
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| 13:01.07 | ruskie | DocScrutinizer, hehe |
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| 13:03.18 | DocScrutinizer | ruskie: quite usually VoIP on landline *is* unlocked for softphones - just they frequently don't tell you explicitly how to do it |
| 13:04.06 | DocScrutinizer | NGN is plain SIP usually |
| 13:04.34 | frals | hmm |
| 13:04.57 | frals | whoever linked the reddit about getting N8 as replacement for N900, i whinged @ "@NokiaHelps": https://twitter.com/#!/NokiaHelps/status/88207986937438209 |
| 13:05.31 | DocScrutinizer | eeeew a twitter URL |
| 13:05.44 | DocScrutinizer | would you mind to quote plain text here please? |
| 13:05.56 | frals | "Yes, you are right, N8 not the same as N900, unfortunately it seems that there was no better option in this case. ^PP" |
| 13:06.34 | visz | =/ |
| 13:06.48 | Venemo_N900 | hehe |
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| 13:06.57 | Venemo_N900 | they can gimme N9 to replace my N900 |
| 13:07.08 | rm_work | lol |
| 13:07.09 | DocScrutinizer | What The.... The better option is to send back the broken N900 *together* with the N8 |
| 13:07.18 | Venemo_N900 | xD |
| 13:07.20 | visz | they can pry the n900 from my cold dead hands |
| 13:07.20 | rm_work | i missed the context, but lol |
| 13:07.46 | DocScrutinizer | visz: ++ |
| 13:08.07 | DocScrutinizer | it is **MY** N900 |
| 13:08.28 | Venemo_N900 | visz ++ |
| 13:08.29 | Venemo_N900 | :P |
| 13:08.31 | DocScrutinizer | nobody, I repeat NOBODY may keep it and give me N8 crap for it |
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| 13:09.30 | psycho_oreos | funny how they still haven't picked up the fact that lots of happy maemo owners wouldn't want N8 as a replacement device |
| 13:10.09 | SpeedEvil | wonders if anyone will get n9 in replacement of n900 |
| 13:10.11 | psycho_oreos | all they can do is pretend they are understanding when they aren't in actual fact |
| 13:10.19 | Venemo_N900 | psycho_oreos, I think they don't understand that there are happy Maemo owners |
| 13:10.23 | DocScrutinizer | not for the next 3 months |
| 13:10.38 | DocScrutinizer | maybe not for next 6 |
| 13:10.48 | psycho_oreos | Venemo_N900, rather they were blinded by Elop's awe ;) |
| 13:10.56 | DocScrutinizer | after N9 rollout they may do that |
| 13:10.59 | Venemo_N900 | psycho_oreos, yea. |
| 13:11.13 | Venemo_N900 | DocScrutinizer :) |
| 13:11.33 | jacekowski | well, i have an idea |
| 13:11.39 | jacekowski | i'll send my N900 back |
| 13:11.42 | jacekowski | if i get N8 back |
| 13:11.55 | jacekowski | i'll sell it and buy N900 on ebay |
| 13:12.04 | jacekowski | and i'll probably even make few quid on it |
| 13:12.11 | DocScrutinizer | that's what I suggested to do anyway |
| 13:12.17 | psycho_oreos | lots of round work |
| 13:12.23 | Venemo_N900 | jacekowski :) |
| 13:12.38 | DocScrutinizer | as that's probably what Nokia meant you to do, and only thing they can handle the situation |
| 13:12.50 | Venemo_N900 | well, sure, there'd be a lot of idiots happily buying an N8 |
| 13:13.21 | DocScrutinizer | see, Nokia can't find a N900 on ebay for you |
| 13:13.50 | DocScrutinizer | they can't give you back the original amount of money you paid for N900 |
| 13:13.52 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: looking for me? |
| 13:13.53 | psycho_oreos | they should get that N950 production line going for the rest of the happy maemo users or I'm sure someone will sue them |
| 13:13.57 | jacekowski | hmmmm |
| 13:14.06 | DocScrutinizer | they can't give you a new N900 as they ran out of stock |
| 13:14.34 | DocScrutinizer | hiemanshu: what's theat foo about "joerg" a few hours ago? |
| 13:14.37 | psycho_oreos | wouldn't they still have the parts for N900? |
| 13:14.39 | Parslee | pitchforks and torches for n950s |
| 13:14.47 | Venemo_N900 | hehe |
| 13:14.54 | DocScrutinizer | psycho_oreos: no |
| 13:14.57 | jacekowski | hmm, N8 is only worth around £140 on ebay |
| 13:15.05 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: we saw someone enter as joery with t-dialin host, so kerio thought it was you with a different nick |
| 13:15.21 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: jhb (~joerg@p4FEF564B.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #maemo |
| 13:15.24 | kerio | i didn't, someone else did |
| 13:15.31 | DocScrutinizer | psycho_oreos: parts appeared on chinese resellers who probably bought the surplus from Nokia for cheap |
| 13:15.52 | DocScrutinizer | hiemanshu: aah, no wasn't me |
| 13:15.59 | hiemanshu | ah it was Termana |
| 13:16.02 | psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer, lol shocking. They manufacturered N900, had all the tools for hacking N900 physically and it seems like all those stuff went to either scrap or elsewhere |
| 13:16.16 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: yeah, we all are bored waiting for the nokia email, so just trollin :P |
| 13:16.37 | jhb | hiemanshu: there is more then one n900 user in germany :-) |
| 13:17.03 | psycho_oreos | meanwhile you lucky N950 guys will be guaranteed of getting N950, other avenue of possibly obtaining N950 has been closed |
| 13:17.03 | hiemanshu | jhb: more like more than one joerg with a t-dialin ISP :P |
| 13:17.20 | jhb | :-) |
| 13:17.33 | hiemanshu | psycho_oreos: well you cant call use lucky until we have one in our hands :P anything can change :P |
| 13:17.45 | DocScrutinizer | hiemanshu: me? t-dialin? how comes you think I got t-dialin? |
| 13:17.57 | Jaffa | alterego: Just had a call from Nokia Care - they've got an *enormous* waiting list for N900s at the moment, and can offer a swap for an E7. They wouldn't have N9s for swap until about 3-4 months after launch. Since E7s are going for more than N8s on eBay, and I have another N900 anyway, I'm going for the E7 and will liquidate the cash towards an N9 ;-) |
| 13:18.14 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: <Termana> Someone using a nickname they have never used before. But they are using a certain country provider and real name that tells everyone who they are! :p |
| 13:18.32 | psycho_oreos | hiemanshu, I can't vouch for guaranteed but I'm sure you guys would have the upper hand of getting N950 than those who either got rejected or didn't apply for one in time :) |
| 13:19.11 | hiemanshu | psycho_oreos: true :D |
| 13:19.32 | DocScrutinizer | hiemanshu: I hope there's no indication whatsoever about the internet provider and link I'm using |
| 13:20.09 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: nope, you are cloaked |
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| 13:21.30 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, if the devices don't ship before Thursday I'll probably leave and ask someone to ship it to me |
| 13:21.56 | psycho_oreos | hiemanshu, I got rejected for that OSSãbut I didn't think the other avenue would be closed. They stated somewhere towards end of July and its already now closed, lame |
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| 13:22.24 | hiemanshu | psycho_oreos: they got more applications then they expected, which is a good thing actually |
| 13:23.02 | psycho_oreos | hiemanshu, I don't think that will change Elop's stance of scrapping meego in the long run |
| 13:23.34 | hiemanshu | psycho_oreos: lets murder him and appoint DocScrutinizer as the next CEO :D |
| 13:23.52 | SpeedEvil | psycho_oreos: Oh - the other one which said end July has closed? |
| 13:23.57 | psycho_oreos | though one thing qgil said on that meego thread kept reminding me about how hard it was for them to shortlist people |
| 13:23.57 | hiemanshu | we will have OSS meego, with hostmode and nice hardware :P |
| 13:24.08 | psycho_oreos | hiemanshu, only one can hope |
| 13:24.12 | psycho_oreos | SpeedEvil, yup :/ |
| 13:24.18 | SpeedEvil | Meh. |
| 13:24.34 | SpeedEvil | Oh well, I guess my backup plan of mugging someone comes to the fore then. |
| 13:24.52 | SpeedEvil | Easier than writing a nice blurb about what I'll do is. |
| 13:25.33 | psycho_oreos | and that ebay scam is starting to look really shiny (as in addictive) |
| 13:25.46 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 13:26.09 | psycho_oreos | s/addictive/tempting/ |
| 13:27.26 | psycho_oreos | SpeedEvil, I guess you were rejected or didn't apply for one in time? |
| 13:28.43 | SpeedEvil | Rejected from the oss program. My initial app was basically platform, not apps. I added some apps later on, but that wasn't counted |
| 13:29.03 | psycho_oreos | haha makes two of us :) two known rejects |
| 13:29.12 | hiemanshu | SpeedEvil: 3 of them dont have owners yet, try again |
| 13:29.53 | SpeedEvil | hiemanshu: I've already pinged quim about my entry for reconsideration, and been knocked back, so I doubt it. |
| 13:30.12 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.meego.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Speedevil/Projects |
| 13:30.25 | hiemanshu | SpeedEvil: ah |
| 13:30.34 | SpeedEvil | The apps section was largely tacked on, and would admittedly mean me learning Qt/... |
| 13:31.25 | nid0 | bleh, the tesco app should get you a device on its own :< |
| 13:31.29 | psycho_oreos | Iãwonder if the are still short listing applicants or are they going to just reserve the 3 extras just for themselves? |
| 13:31.38 | SpeedEvil | nid0: I added that after the deadline |
| 13:32.45 | [DarkGUNMAN] | do you have any good online resources for learnng qt from the very beginning? |
| 13:33.05 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: I also changed my application significantly to emphasize H-E-N is an APP, shortly after deadline |
| 13:33.17 | Venemo_N900 | [DarkGUNMAN], do you know C++? |
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| 13:33.42 | [DarkGUNMAN] | nope. never touched it |
| 13:33.59 | [DarkGUNMAN] | only stuff i did was vb and autoit |
| 13:34.01 | Venemo_N900 | then it will be a bit more difficult |
| 13:34.15 | Venemo_N900 | if you ever coded anything, that may help. |
| 13:35.18 | DocScrutinizer | vb is a good basis to start with python and Qt bindings |
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| 13:35.26 | jonwil | wow, David Weinehall responded to my tklock post (presumably the same guy who's name appears at the top of |
| 13:35.33 | jonwil | the top of the tklock source files in MCE |
| 13:35.33 | hiemanshu | so from the forum postings we know atleast they are working on our accounts |
| 13:35.35 | [DarkGUNMAN] | yes I do code, but nothing too heavy. still I have to start somewhere and if you have any good newbie links i'd be grateful |
| 13:35.52 | DocScrutinizer | jonwil: \o/ |
| 13:35.52 | jonwil | and has clarified a couple of things which is nice :) |
| 13:35.55 | hiemanshu | W00T, it shows for me |
| 13:36.05 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: it shows that I am a part of launchpad |
| 13:36.13 | DocScrutinizer | jonwil: $Nokia starts to notice your existence |
| 13:36.35 | hiemanshu | alterego: no email, but check your developer account settings, |
| 13:36.41 | DocScrutinizer | hiemanshu: welcome to the club |
| 13:36.52 | DocScrutinizer | hiemanshu: so what we're supposed to do now? |
| 13:36.57 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: lets wait :P |
| 13:37.03 | SpeedEvil | jonwil: :) |
| 13:37.05 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: atleast we are in the same boat now :P |
| 13:37.12 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: http://i.imgur.com/7eeKm.png |
| 13:37.14 | DocScrutinizer | wait for WHAT? wait for DHL ringing my doorbell? |
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| 13:38.03 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: email saying 'We have a N950 waiting for you' |
| 13:38.42 | DocScrutinizer | [citation needed] |
| 13:38.49 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: https://www.developer.nokia.com/Developer_Programs/Launchpad_for_individuals/ |
| 13:38.52 | hiemanshu | does that open for you? |
| 13:38.57 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 13:39.31 | hiemanshu | ok, so we are in the same boat |
| 13:39.43 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: shouldn't be long now |
| 13:39.47 | DocScrutinizer | hah |
| 13:40.43 | hiemanshu | we atleast they are accepting you into launchpad |
| 13:40.56 | DocScrutinizer | see, it's a major PITA to scan all my environment (both IT and RL) for unusual events maybe related to N950 |
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| 13:41.49 | jonwil | is going to send a thankyou note to David thanking him for the clarification on those points :) |
| 13:41.58 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: just do what me and GeneralAntilles did, write a scirpt to check your mail for the keyword N950 and play a nice song or do some disco lights |
| 13:42.02 | DocScrutinizer | you'll learn quickly that your situation hasn't really improved by getting accepted to launchpad - au contraire |
| 13:42.55 | DocScrutinizer | I'll LMFAO if the mail reads "there's a N9-devkit pack for you" :-P |
| 13:43.31 | DocScrutinizer | btw I get mails with N950 in them like a dozen every minute |
| 13:43.32 | SpeedEvil | Or if they accidentally start shipping out a dusty pile of n810s. |
| 13:45.18 | DocScrutinizer | or even "RM-680 available" |
| 13:45.35 | hiemanshu | SpeedEvil: if they ship me a N810 with the features of the N950, I would be happy |
| 13:45.43 | DocScrutinizer | or "the device from DDP is available now for you" |
| 13:46.00 | DocScrutinizer | but honestly who says there will be any mail at all? |
| 13:46.11 | Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: The email I got was "There is a Nokia N950 waiting for you@ |
| 13:46.27 | DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: OK! that'S a word now |
| 13:46.56 | DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: could you pretty please answer to http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=24950&postcount=396 |
| 13:47.07 | Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2011-06-30.log.html#t2011-06-30T13:47:23 |
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| 13:49.14 | DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: thanks for the link |
| 13:50.27 | MohammadAG | <hiemanshu> DocScrutinizer: email saying 'We have a N950 waiting for you' |
| 13:50.35 | MohammadAG | afaik that means place your damn order |
| 13:50.42 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: right |
| 13:50.45 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: also check http://i.imgur.com/7eeKm.png |
| 13:50.46 | hiemanshu | err |
| 13:51.01 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: https://www.developer.nokia.com/Profile/premium_profile.xhtml see if you have been accepted yet |
| 13:51.02 | MohammadAG | did you? :P |
| 13:51.05 | hiemanshu | its tuesday :D |
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| 13:51.37 | MohammadAG | My programs |
| 13:51.40 | MohammadAG | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:52.01 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: hah, so I am in atleast :P |
| 13:52.40 | MohammadAG | they're going over applications one by one |
| 13:52.47 | MohammadAG | which really deserves a facepalm |
| 13:53.00 | jonwil | I definatly dont think I am deserving of a N950 |
| 13:53.12 | hiemanshu | jonwil: awesome, give yours to SpeedEvil |
| 13:53.16 | DocScrutinizer | and after they finished that, they'll process those that already were accepted for launchpad ;-P |
| 13:53.21 | jonwil | I didnt even apply :P |
| 13:53.26 | hiemanshu | jonwil: damn |
| 13:53.29 | jonwil | for that reasons |
| 13:53.43 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: atleast we know, some people cant script :P |
| 13:54.20 | jonwil | Time to get back to reverse engineering the mce plugins |
| 13:54.33 | jonwil | since reverse engineering the mce binary itself has been a bust |
| 13:54.37 | DocScrutinizer | jonwil: any pointer to tha convo with weinehall? |
| 13:55.15 | MohammadAG | Venemo_N900, do you plan on continuing the bubbles clone? |
| 13:55.26 | Venemo_N900 | yes, absolutely |
| 13:55.42 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: https://forumnokia.secure.force.com/apex/DDP is still empty :( |
| 13:55.57 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 13:56.17 | jonwil | what is this bubbles clone you speak of? |
| 13:56.25 | jonwil | http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2011-July/028473.html |
| 13:56.35 | jonwil | Thats the post on the developer mailing list by Weinehall |
| 13:56.36 | alterego | "no programs" |
| 13:56.58 | jonwil | My response was a private email that basically said " |
| 13:57.02 | jonwil | said "thanks for the info" |
| 13:57.39 | Venemo_N900 | jonwil, it will be a new lockscreen for Maemo 5 |
| 13:58.13 | jonwil | Great, then I assume my mailing list posting with the lockscreen details was of value... |
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| 13:59.00 | hiemanshu | alterego: muhahah, I got mine today :D :D :D |
| 13:59.17 | fiferboy | alterego: Me too |
| 13:59.26 | DocScrutinizer | jonwil: thanks |
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| 14:00.34 | jonwil | Why are you interested anyway doc? |
| 14:01.15 | tzafrir_laptop | Is there any maemo imap client that can use imap over ssh tunnel? |
| 14:01.18 | DocScrutinizer | quoting FZ: your launchpad is stuffed with absolutely nothing. I mean you get nothing with your launchpad acceptance |
| 14:01.29 | tzafrir_laptop | Rather than a direct imap connection? |
| 14:01.33 | MohammadAG | jonwil, Nokia Bubbles, a lockscreen for Symbian^3 |
| 14:01.41 | MohammadAG | which seems to have gotten slower as of the latest version |
| 14:01.43 | DocScrutinizer | NMB: "I get nothing - well that's what I want" |
| 14:02.22 | DocScrutinizer | FZ: a true Zen saying "Nothing is what I want" |
| 14:02.49 | jonwil | so yeah Mohammad, you see the nice mailing list message from David Weinehall? Good to get clarification on those things |
| 14:03.06 | jonwil | especially from the guy who wrote the code :) |
| 14:03.15 | MohammadAG | hiemanshu, where did you get the email? spam? |
| 14:03.28 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: no email, just checked it manually and found it |
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| 14:04.29 | DocScrutinizer | jonwil: follow up on it - probably winehall is eager to shar more info, as he dislikes the closed-source state as much as we all do |
| 14:04.30 | MohammadAG | jonwil, he doesn't seem to be @nokia anymore though |
| 14:04.36 | MohammadAG | or he's using a personal address |
| 14:05.00 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: a lot of nokians do |
| 14:05.11 | jonwil | I just followed up on it with an email that said "thanks for the info, it will really help" basically |
| 14:05.16 | lardman | hiemanshu: and it says there's a device for you there does it? |
| 14:05.46 | hiemanshu | lardman: nope no device, just accepted into launchpad |
| 14:06.04 | lardman | because you can get that page? |
| 14:06.05 | rm_work | one step in the long journey towards N950 :P |
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| 14:06.17 | hiemanshu | lardman: yes |
| 14:06.18 | jonwil | Doc, do you mean you are intending to email David or are you suggesting I should or what? |
| 14:06.27 | lardman | rm_work: yep, an exciting journey for which we know no waypoints ;) |
| 14:06.28 | hiemanshu | lardman: https://forumnokia.secure.force.com/apex/DDP is empty |
| 14:06.30 | Venemo_N900 | hiemanshu, accepted? huh! |
| 14:06.34 | hiemanshu | Venemo_N900: yes |
| 14:06.39 | lardman | I can also see that page, and it's empty |
| 14:06.40 | Venemo_N900 | hiemanshu, I envy you |
| 14:06.45 | hiemanshu | Venemo_N900: hah |
| 14:06.47 | hiemanshu | Venemo_N900: check https://www.developer.nokia.com/Developer_Programs/Launchpad_for_individuals/ |
| 14:06.55 | hiemanshu | Venemo_N900: if you access it, you have been accepted too |
| 14:06.59 | hiemanshu | it isn't sending emails though |
| 14:07.05 | DocScrutinizer | jonwil: I'm suggsting you reconsider RE of things you gave up due to missing info, and you go to ask winehall about those missing bits |
| 14:07.31 | lardman | Interesting there' a "Maemo test" in the dropdown list |
| 14:07.36 | Venemo_N900 | hiemanshu, "ou do not have the required access rights to the page you were trying to access. Please see our Developer Programs pages for further details about our offering. " |
| 14:07.45 | hiemanshu | Venemo_N900: ah, so wait |
| 14:07.51 | DocScrutinizer | jonwil: you'll have to learn to ask smart questions, as winehall can't disclose any code longer than 1 or 2 lines |
| 14:07.52 | jonwil | Except that he may not have any info on those other things. (or be able to share too much) |
| 14:07.54 | hiemanshu | lardman: w00t, you are accepeted too :D |
| 14:08.03 | Venemo_N900 | I've been waiting for a week |
| 14:08.11 | lardman | right, so we're progressing gradually |
| 14:08.14 | hiemanshu | Venemo_N900: I got mine today, you might be tomorrow |
| 14:08.16 | hiemanshu | lardman: yes |
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| 14:08.26 | Venemo_N900 | DocScrutinizer, he can disclose all the code per line |
| 14:08.28 | Venemo_N900 | ? |
| 14:08.38 | jonwil | no, he can disclose fragments I suspect |
| 14:08.39 | DocScrutinizer | jonwil: but he may be more than happy to help on your RE enterprise, as that should result in sth he thinks is the right thing |
| 14:08.41 | hiemanshu | Venemo_N900: there is another hour left for the day |
| 14:08.53 | Venemo_N900 | hiemanshu, we shall see then :) |
| 14:09.00 | Venemo_N900 | I know, patience is a virtue |
| 14:09.16 | w00t__ | is not yet accepted :-p |
| 14:09.25 | hiemanshu | w00t__: hah |
| 14:09.28 | DocScrutinizer | Venemo_N900: would probably get him into trouble |
| 14:09.31 | Venemo_N900 | w00t__, me either |
| 14:09.41 | jonwil | With regard to the mce binary itself, there is very little that will let me get something usable short of having the entire code for tklock.c, devlock,c, powerkey.c and the others that are very different between Diablo, Fremantle, MeeGo and Harmattan |
| 14:09.44 | Venemo_N900 | DocScrutinizer, do you know what I don't understand? |
| 14:09.57 | lardman | hopes that the Launchpad team are accepting users and adding their N950 at the same time |
| 14:10.10 | MohammadAG | <hiemanshu> Venemo_N900: there is another hour left for the day |
| 14:10.40 | MohammadAG | what timezone is that? :P |
| 14:10.40 | MohammadAG | lardman, afaik you have to order it |
| 14:10.52 | DocScrutinizer | jonwil: you can get proper specifications on what that code does, and how, from winehall -maybe |
| 14:11.14 | jonwil | I doubt it, its way too much code and info |
| 14:11.18 | Venemo_N900 | DocScrutinizer, imagine the following: an anonymous Nokia employee and a Maemo fan meet at a pub and share a few beers. Next day, someone from the Maemo community announces that he had rewritten MCE. |
| 14:11.21 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: it around 4 something there right? or do I have the timezone wrong |
| 14:11.29 | Venemo_N900 | why isn't this happening? |
| 14:11.35 | lardman | MohammadAG: there's nothing I can order yet |
| 14:11.49 | DocScrutinizer | Venemo_N900: I know your idea |
| 14:11.52 | hiemanshu | lardman: yes, we'll have to wait for that :( |
| 14:12.18 | DocScrutinizer | Venemo_N900: too risky if it's about your job |
| 14:12.33 | MohammadAG | hiemanshu, a day ends at 12, or 11:59:59 :P |
| 14:12.41 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: work day |
| 14:12.43 | Venemo_N900 | DocScrutinizer, I can recall 2 people who quit Nokia in the past month or so |
| 14:12.54 | MohammadAG | hiemanshu, work days end at 5? |
| 14:12.56 | SpeedEvil | Venemo_N900: NDAs still apply typically. |
| 14:12.56 | Venemo_N900 | DocScrutinizer, couldn't they had done this before they quit? |
| 14:13.04 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: for most of them yes |
| 14:13.12 | DocScrutinizer | Venemo_N900: see SpeedEvil |
| 14:13.40 | Venemo_N900 | SpeedEvil, the aforementioned Maemo community member could insist that he had written the code himself |
| 14:13.52 | DocScrutinizer | Venemo_N900: you're typically hoping for a good reputation for your next aplication for another job |
| 14:15.06 | Venemo_N900 | DocScrutinizer, sure, but in this situation, noone would know who did it |
| 14:15.08 | Venemo_N900 | anyway |
| 14:15.23 | DocScrutinizer | Venemo_N900: too risky, too sneaky |
| 14:15.25 | Venemo_N900 | I'll stop this before my next boss reads this discussion :P |
| 14:15.34 | DocScrutinizer | see? ;-P |
| 14:16.00 | FIQ | logs :D |
| 14:16.16 | DocScrutinizer | actually if you plan to do sth like that, then you typically include stuff to a SDK that's not really needed there |
| 14:16.30 | DocScrutinizer | or put more to a repo than "intended" |
| 14:17.25 | DocScrutinizer | e.g a 120MB tarball ;-P |
| 14:17.35 | FIQ | "ups" |
| 14:17.49 | DocScrutinizer | a pity they revoked it before anybody got to download it |
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| 14:18.05 | FIQ | lol, has it actually happened? |
| 14:18.14 | DocScrutinizer | ask javispedro |
| 14:18.19 | FIQ | :D |
| 14:18.20 | FIQ | lol |
| 14:18.48 | MohammadAG | yep, he found it cached on google |
| 14:18.54 | MohammadAG | not the actual tarball though |
| 14:19.11 | Stskeeps | found what? |
| 14:19.23 | DocScrutinizer | a 120MB tarbal in the repos |
| 14:19.27 | Stskeeps | heh |
| 14:19.28 | jonwil | http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:vh48kRUtKpoJ:harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/harmattan-beta/free/p/package-manager/+http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/harmattan-beta/package-manager&cd=2&hl=es&ct=clnk&gl=es&client=firefox-a&source=www.google.es |
| 14:19.47 | Stskeeps | heh, talk about massive source.. |
| 14:19.50 | jonwil | a 117mb tarball calaiming to be source for harmattan package-manager |
| 14:20.43 | Venemo_N900 | hmmm |
| 14:20.49 | DocScrutinizer | alas we don't know the 57 guys who actually downloaded it |
| 14:20.54 | FIQ | nice thing to put in repos |
| 14:21.18 | FIQ | and, .deb? |
| 14:21.25 | FIQ | wasn't MeeGo supposed to use .rm? |
| 14:21.25 | jonwil | how do you know anyone actually downloaded it? |
| 14:21.27 | DocScrutinizer | so this bit got loast for community, whatever it was |
| 14:21.30 | FIQ | s/rm/rpm/ |
| 14:21.44 | jonwil | this is Harmattan, not MeeGo |
| 14:21.50 | Venemo_N900 | FIQ, Harmattan is Maemo 6, not MeeGo |
| 14:21.50 | jonwil | Harmattan uses .deb |
| 14:22.08 | FIQ | Hm |
| 14:22.24 | FIQ | They brand it as meego :D |
| 14:22.33 | FIQ | nokia=confusing? |
| 14:22.37 | DocScrutinizer | FIQ: pleeease.... |
| 14:22.52 | jonwil | btw there is also this |
| 14:22.52 | DocScrutinizer | this debate is really out |
| 14:22.54 | jonwil | http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:wcUkzAUoYE4J:harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/harmattan-beta/free/p/package-manager/package-manager_0.26.2%2B0m6.dsc+http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/harmattan-beta/free/p/package-manager/package-manager_0.26.2%2B0m6.dsc&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=au&source=www.google.com.au |
| 14:23.01 | jonwil | which is a cache of the .dsc file |
| 14:23.09 | FIQ | DocScrutinizer: i'll not debate, as I don't know much of harmattan |
| 14:23.14 | jonwil | and shows that a lot of packages get built from that source |
| 14:23.21 | FIQ | about* |
| 14:23.24 | jonwil | including test packages |
| 14:23.28 | Venemo_N900 | FIQ, this is not news. Harmattan is Maemo 6, and that's it. |
| 14:23.28 | jonwil | which may explain its large size |
| 14:23.49 | Venemo_N900 | it's API compatible with MeeGo, so they did put a MeeGo sticker on it. |
| 14:23.53 | FIQ | ok |
| 14:24.39 | Stskeeps | didnt http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/harmattan-beta/free/o/osso-wlan/ use to be closed source? |
| 14:24.47 | Stskeeps | or do i remember wrong |
| 14:25.03 | MohammadAG | nope, open |
| 14:25.05 | Stskeeps | ok |
| 14:25.15 | MohammadAG | mafw used to be open :P |
| 14:25.22 | jonwil | mafw is? |
| 14:25.42 | MohammadAG | mafw's open on Fremantle |
| 14:25.48 | MohammadAG | closed in Harmattan |
| 14:25.55 | Stskeeps | odd |
| 14:26.02 | Venemo_N900 | lool |
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| 14:26.15 | alterego | qmafw is in harmattan, same dbus apis though. |
| 14:26.17 | DocScrutinizer | I planned to "mirror" (aka wget) the whole friggin repo twice a day, but I'm short of storage on my box |
| 14:26.34 | MohammadAG | alterego, the old API should work too |
| 14:26.50 | MohammadAG | my mediaplayer should build and run on it |
| 14:26.54 | DocScrutinizer | I *know* there are a few guys on this globe who did |
| 14:26.57 | FIQ | how big is it? |
| 14:27.04 | alterego | Sure, and my im status updater :) |
| 14:27.15 | jonwil | There are a few things in Harmattan that are open that were closed in Fremantle |
| 14:27.24 | MohammadAG | get rid of pyside, please :P |
| 14:27.32 | jonwil | libbmeipc-dev is available in Harmattan but not Fremantle |
| 14:27.38 | jonwil | same with libsysinfo-dev |
| 14:27.42 | MohammadAG | and vice versa |
| 14:28.01 | Stskeeps | jonwil: its open? hmm |
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| 14:28.13 | Stskeeps | where? |
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| 14:28.29 | jonwil | well libbmeipc-dev is available in the Harmattan SDK repo |
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| 14:29.48 | jonwil | but I dont think its actually open, just "usable" in the way that some other headers are |
| 14:30.46 | jonwil | at least the .h files contain no license, only a nokia (c) |
| 14:31.11 | Stskeeps | what filenames? |
| 14:31.29 | jonwil | usr/include/bme/* |
| 14:31.33 | jonwil | in a SDK install |
| 14:31.39 | jonwil | package is libbmeipc-dev |
| 14:31.56 | jonwil | only available from the nokia-binaries SDK repo |
| 14:32.01 | Stskeeps | i dont have harmattan sdk on my computer nor do i want it :P got a pastebin of the filenames? |
| 14:32.26 | X-Fade | jonwil: The fact that it is in nokia-binaries means that they are closed :) |
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| 14:32.38 | jonwil | same license as say libcal-dev |
| 14:33.03 | Stskeeps | at least we have those headers compared to the nightmare of years ago |
| 14:33.19 | jonwil | bmeisa.h, bmehal.h, em_isi.h, bmeipc.h, bmemsg.h |
| 14:33.27 | Stskeeps | heh, might have hit gold there |
| 14:33.33 | alterego | Hah, Apple hacked |
| 14:33.35 | Stskeeps | compare with the libbme ones on gitorious? |
| 14:33.41 | Venemo_N900 | Stskeeps, how come that you're visiting #maemo again? |
| 14:33.47 | Stskeeps | Venemo_N900: autojoin fail |
| 14:33.53 | Venemo_N900 | Stskeeps, aah. |
| 14:35.08 | jonwil | the filenames from Harmattan libbmeipc-dev and from trunk of MeeGo libbme dont match |
| 14:35.31 | Stskeeps | well, you hit gold then |
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| 14:36.03 | jonwil | Those files are useful for Harmattan work but not so good for Fremantle work as the interface to BME seems different. |
| 14:36.07 | Stskeeps | fairly sure those arent supposed to be there :) |
| 14:36.19 | jonwil | Best reference for the Fremantle BME interface is the first revision checked into libbme in MeeGo git |
| 14:36.48 | MohammadAG | I wonder what else isn't supposed to be there :p |
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| 14:37.58 | rm_work | jonwil: can you pastebin some of those for me? I would like to look at them but don't have access to SDK currently |
| 14:38.45 | jonwil | I used some reverse engineering tricks and also various meego git revisions to identify interfaces to libbmeipc as used by other bits of the system (I made a maemo-developer list posting about it the other day). It contained the info one would need to replace BME with a new thing that talked directly to the hardware charger chip and yet not break any existing code |
| 14:39.00 | jonwil | I mean existing binaries |
| 14:39.44 | Stskeeps | did you see my old bme protocol page? |
| 14:40.17 | jonwil | I think I might have. But in any case we know all we need to know to be able to replace libbmeipc and hald-addon-bme with new bits and not break anything else in the system. |
| 14:40.22 | jonwil | Thanks to my list posting :) |
| 14:40.35 | jonwil | I could even go further and completly clone libbmeipc and hald-addon-bme if I cared :) |
| 14:41.06 | jonwil | rm_work, are you interested in libbmeipc headers for Harmattan or for Fremantle or what? |
| 14:41.09 | jonwil | or just curious in general? |
| 14:41.18 | rm_work | Harmattan |
| 14:41.26 | rm_work | related to something i am working on possibly |
| 14:42.41 | rm_work | what I *really* want to see is DSME headers |
| 14:42.47 | rm_work | or code... ^_^ |
| 14:42.55 | Stskeeps | dsme is public |
| 14:43.01 | rm_work | err? |
| 14:43.02 | rm_work | since? |
| 14:43.16 | Stskeeps | since a fairly long time |
| 14:43.18 | rm_work | they "said" it was public as of Berlin |
| 14:43.27 | rm_work | but only published parts of it that don't matter |
| 14:43.33 | rm_work | kept the important bits closed still |
| 14:43.36 | rm_work | i need the WHOLE thing |
| 14:43.51 | Stskeeps | which parts are you interested in_ |
| 14:44.00 | rm_work | the parts that control the backlight :P |
| 14:44.03 | jonwil | dsme is 100% open source |
| 14:44.13 | Stskeeps | rm_work: thats handled in mce now i think |
| 14:44.17 | rm_work | T_T |
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| 14:44.23 | rm_work | so they moved it to MCE and THAT is closed? |
| 14:44.28 | Stskeeps | well, sort of |
| 14:44.28 | jonwil | MCE is open in harmattan now also |
| 14:44.30 | jonwil | AFAIK |
| 14:44.33 | rm_work | AH |
| 14:44.36 | rm_work | that would be good |
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| 14:44.42 | Stskeeps | fremantle one is, meego n900 mce one is open, |
| 14:44.49 | rm_work | i just remember they opened DSME and it was totally useless |
| 14:45.29 | jonwil | yeah, we have code for Diablo mce (from who knows where), Harmattan mce, MeeGo mce but not Fremantle mce (where it would be the most usefull :P |
| 14:45.37 | rm_work | lol |
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| 14:46.24 | Stskeeps | rm_work: meego n900 has a working display plugin, at least |
| 14:46.29 | Stskeeps | and i think ALS code is there too |
| 14:46.48 | rm_work | cool |
| 14:47.15 | gri | hiemanshu: having no "launchpad" listed under "My Programs" means I applied wrong or I have not been reviewed? (don't get it from your forum post) |
| 14:47.31 | Stskeeps | gri: just not reviewed yet, afaik |
| 14:47.36 | jonwil | I attempted to take Diablo/MeeGo/Harmattan MCE code and Fremantle binaries, figure out the difference and make some code that matched Fremantle |
| 14:47.37 | hiemanshu | gri: not been reviewed yet |
| 14:47.46 | jonwil | but doing it for the main mce binary was too hard |
| 14:47.56 | gri | Ok, as long I did not apply wrong, that's fine :) |
| 14:48.05 | jonwil | too many differences between the 4 versions (Fremantle, Diablo, MeeGo, Harmattan) |
| 14:48.06 | Stskeeps | jonwil: ignore the binary.. plugins are where the guts are |
| 14:48.18 | jonwil | yeah I intend to hit the plugins next |
| 14:48.42 | jonwil | and see which ones I can reverse engineer into a matches-fremantle state |
| 14:50.50 | rm_work | blah |
| 14:51.15 | rm_work | not seeing backlight control in MCE besides "is it on, is it dim, is it off" and "set on, set dim, set off" |
| 14:51.18 | jonwil | actually there is a lot more in the mce binary than you might think |
| 14:51.49 | jonwil | especially related to device lock, tklock, power button |
| 14:52.04 | jonwil | those 3 in particular were where I ended up getting stuck, deciding it was too hard and giving up |
| 14:52.17 | MohammadAG | Stskeeps, rm_work backlight has always been controlled in mce afaik |
| 14:52.33 | rm_work | MohammadAG: Diablo it was DSME |
| 14:52.38 | MohammadAG | but afaik, the plugin that controls that is closed in fremantle |
| 14:52.53 | jonwil | it might be open in MeeGo or Harmattan |
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| 14:53.43 | jonwil | Interesting, I commented to David and said "Its a pitty the "license change requests" thing never went anywhere |
| 14:53.45 | jonwil | (cf bugs like this https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11794 ) " |
| 14:53.47 | povbot | 04Bug 11794: Open Fremantle's MCE |
| 14:53.57 | jonwil | and he replied and said Definitely. But it took me almost 7 years just to get mce opened up |
| 14:53.59 | jonwil | at all (just in time for me leaving Nokia).... |
| 14:54.02 | jonwil | so he has left Nokia |
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| 14:54.39 | Stskeeps | isnt happy about the license change requests queue and the way it played out, but still maintains it was a solid process, just one of the wheels was broken |
| 14:54.44 | DocScrutinizer | (<Stskeeps> jonwil: ignore the binary.. plugins are where the guts are) is this also true for tweaking formats in mce.ini file? |
| 14:54.52 | Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: hmm, good question |
| 14:54.55 | Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: i dont recall |
| 14:55.28 | jonwil | I think mostly the issue with the license-change-requests queue is that the things people wanted were things that were difficult to release for various reasons (some legitimate, some less so) |
| 14:55.38 | DocScrutinizer | I'm pondering to finally put straight the LP5523 mess, and enable 3 engines and patterns longer than 16 steps |
| 14:55.38 | Stskeeps | yeah, but even slam dunk ones were difficult |
| 14:55.56 | Stskeeps | i think there is something to be said about open source contribution processes from 2003 doesnt apply in 2011s world of git trees and merge requests and open development |
| 14:56.22 | Stskeeps | those processes were centered around code dumps basically |
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| 14:56.43 | Stskeeps | er, drops |
| 14:56.46 | DocScrutinizer | yup |
| 14:57.01 | Stskeeps | seems even intel has difficulties with those, too |
| 14:57.04 | DocScrutinizer | throw over the wall, listen (or not) for the cheers |
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| 14:57.32 | DocScrutinizer | that's not how FOSS works today |
| 14:58.33 | jonwil_ | I suspect a lot of the license change requests were hard not because they themselves contained senstitive bits but because they would have exposed interfaces that Nokia didnt want to expose |
| 14:58.48 | jonwil_ | e.g. anything that would have exposed the dbus interface used to talk to the CSD daemon and its plugins |
| 14:58.59 | jonwil_ | They seem very reluctant to expose that at all |
| 14:59.09 | jonwil_ | which is likely why cellular-qt is closed source in Harmattan |
| 14:59.32 | DocScrutinizer | jonwil_: most licence changes were hard because no manpower to assign to the needed code review and legal mambojambo |
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| 14:59.44 | jonwil_ | hmmm yeah true |
| 14:59.58 | jonwil_ | I have seen that with other companies when it comes to releasing code |
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| 15:00.33 | jonwil | in any case there are all sorts of interesting bits of info out there that I plan to make use of where possible |
| 15:00.41 | GAN900 | No emails yet? |
| 15:00.57 | DocScrutinizer | basically it is "we developed that 'to just work' and nobody thought about FOSS. Now opening it up means we have to redo the whole process basically" |
| 15:01.27 | Venemo_N900 | GAN900, not for me, but some lucky bastards got one already, eg. hiemanshu |
| 15:01.44 | DocScrutinizer | MAIL???? |
| 15:01.48 | DocScrutinizer | naaw |
| 15:02.01 | Venemo_N900 | mail |
| 15:02.04 | hiemanshu | GAN900: no email, but I manually checked, and I have been accepted into the program |
| 15:02.10 | DocScrutinizer | hiemanshu got accepted for launchpad - that's all |
| 15:02.18 | Venemo_N900 | yea |
| 15:02.21 | jonwil | http://pastie.org/pastes/1150052 for example is one random piece of info I stumbled upon |
| 15:02.23 | jonwil | with google |
| 15:02.43 | alterego | How many here have been accepted? |
| 15:02.52 | hiemanshu | alterego: me, lardman so far |
| 15:02.54 | cpscotti | not |
| 15:03.04 | jonwil | and I have plugged who knows how many package names, filenames, function names, structure names etc into Google in case something randomly useful shows up... |
| 15:03.19 | alterego | So 2 :) |
| 15:03.22 | cpscotti | me thinks you are just poking fun at the rest of us mortals with no response yet |
| 15:04.01 | DocScrutinizer | jonwil: well, ISI stuff is documented quite extensively on openhandeld.com or what's been the URL |
| 15:04.14 | jonwil | www.wirelessmodemapi.com |
| 15:04.18 | jonwil | and yes ofono code |
| 15:04.22 | hiemanshu | alterego: DocScrutinizer was already in, so technically 3 |
| 15:04.29 | fiferboy | GAN900: IF they can process two a day we are in pretty good shape :P |
| 15:04.31 | jonwil | Thats great if you are working on new stuff |
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| 15:04.51 | jonwil | but in my case I need to work with the existing closed stack |
| 15:04.58 | jonwil | hence reverse engineering is the only answer most of the time |
| 15:04.59 | DocScrutinizer | yup |
| 15:05.25 | hiemanshu | fiferboy: well timoph was the one that pointed out he was accepted too |
| 15:05.33 | hiemanshu | thats when I checked |
| 15:06.24 | jonwil | but things like that pasteie.org paste can really help fill in the gaps some times |
| 15:06.27 | DocScrutinizer | take that launchpad acceptance and eat it, I want a mail saying "there's a N950 waiting for you" |
| 15:06.41 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: give me your email :P |
| 15:06.52 | DocScrutinizer | haha |
| 15:07.29 | DocScrutinizer | at very least I'm not watching for DHL cars parking in front of my house anymore ;-) |
| 15:07.47 | jonwil | Also of value is a great package called libcsnet-dev_0.4.14+0m5_armel from the Fremantle SDK nokia-binaries repo. Have to force-install it since its missing dependancies but it contains documentation for all the cellular network dbus calls |
| 15:07.52 | jonwil | like signal strength |
| 15:08.01 | jonwil | and tower info |
| 15:08.03 | jonwil | and stuff |
| 15:08.20 | DocScrutinizer | though last time with DDP exactly that happened X-P Some package arrived without ANY prior notice |
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| 15:08.47 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: moo |
| 15:08.58 | javispedro | hello |
| 15:09.06 | hiemanshu | javispedro: accepted yet? |
| 15:09.25 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: check your account sttaus |
| 15:09.45 | javispedro | funnily you mention it |
| 15:09.48 | hiemanshu | javispedro: https://www.developer.nokia.com/Developer_Programs/Launchpad_for_individuals/ |
| 15:09.52 | hiemanshu | check if you can access it |
| 15:09.57 | DocScrutinizer | though, as just mentioned, launchpad acceptance doesn't buy you a thing really |
| 15:09.59 | lardman | jonwil: nice |
| 15:10.02 | javispedro | it now acts like if I never registered. |
| 15:10.20 | jonwil | you would be surprised how much info there is in /usr/share/doc/blah |
| 15:10.31 | hiemanshu | javispedro: check https://www.developer.nokia.com/Developer_Programs/Launchpad_for_individuals/ |
| 15:10.37 | lardman | probably why that doc-purger thing is run ;) |
| 15:10.40 | alterego | hiemanshu: and jaffa :P |
| 15:10.55 | javispedro | hiemanshu, no, not yet approved seemingly. |
| 15:10.58 | hiemanshu | alterego: right |
| 15:11.22 | javispedro | wouldn't I get an email or sth if it were approved |
| 15:11.33 | DocScrutinizer | jonwil: (libcsnet) could you document all that stuff somewhere on wiki please? |
| 15:11.48 | jonwil | its not in an easy form to document |
| 15:11.55 | jonwil | and I dont understand it enough myself |
| 15:11.58 | rm_work | well, if anyone sees any actually open code for directly controlling backlight level, let me know |
| 15:11.58 | alterego | Anyway, Finnish day would have ended now, so I imagine no more activity until tomorrow. |
| 15:12.05 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: nope |
| 15:12.05 | alterego | hiemanshu: were you in the first wave? |
| 15:12.14 | hiemanshu | alterego: yes |
| 15:12.16 | rm_work | but AFAICT right now I will still have to reverse engineer it again |
| 15:12.47 | hiemanshu | alterego: so you might be right, and yours might be wednesday :P |
| 15:12.58 | jonwil | I will be reverse engineering the mce plugins soon |
| 15:13.21 | javispedro | can't you control the backlight via procfs? </naive> |
| 15:13.35 | lardman | iirc it's overridden quite quickly |
| 15:13.37 | jonwil | If anyone has any clues to backlight (e.g. mce.ini entries, dbus signals or any other known info that could help me locate the specific code for it) please tell me |
| 15:13.44 | javispedro | lardman, ah, same as vibra then :S |
| 15:13.55 | jonwil | yeah the vibration plugin is on my todo list |
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| 15:13.58 | alterego | hiemanshu: well, I was 1st wave too, if that means anything :) |
| 15:14.06 | hiemanshu | alterego: I know |
| 15:14.14 | jonwil | especially since its not in any of the MCE code we have |
| 15:14.18 | Venemo_N900 | qwerty's simple brightness applet? |
| 15:14.18 | alterego | They're either doing it alphabetically, or processing quims mails in order. |
| 15:14.21 | lardman | jonwil: grep for the device name for the sysfs entry? |
| 15:14.23 | alterego | Who knows :) |
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| 15:14.33 | jonwil | what is the sys/proc entriy then? |
| 15:14.40 | rm_work | javispedro: on 770 that is the only way, for Diablo it was in DSME, could set it via a socket |
| 15:14.40 | javispedro | btw, accelerometer comes via input layer in harmattan |
| 15:15.04 | rm_work | Venemo_N900: i think that just does the stock 5 levels, which is controlled by gconf |
| 15:15.11 | Venemo_N900 | rm_work, mhm |
| 15:15.22 | rm_work | jonwil: for backlight, https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/trunk/adv-backlight/advanced-backlight.c?revision=145&root=adv-backlight&view=markup |
| 15:15.26 | rm_work | jonwil: that is how it USED to work |
| 15:15.35 | rm_work | look for "advanced_backlight_plugin_dsme_update_brightness" function |
| 15:15.55 | jonwil | ok, I will see if I can find it |
| 15:16.03 | jonwil | I should be able to find it inside mce |
| 15:16.06 | hiemanshu | alterego: they might be doing it in order, but I am sure, I wasn't really fast on the email |
| 15:16.07 | rm_work | or "SYSFS_BRIGHTNESS" definition = /sys/devices/platform/omapfb/panel/backlight_level |
| 15:16.30 | rm_work | jonwil: i mean, that is MY function :P dunno what theirs is called |
| 15:16.34 | DocScrutinizer | jonwil: /sys/nodes are what mce i susing and updating frequently |
| 15:17.08 | Jaffa | wonders if he should reveal that he *hasn't* got an N950 after all. Nokia shipped him a 5800 instead. |
| 15:17.10 | rm_work | jonwil: yeah, that sys node IS still possible to use, but it is immediately overwritten pretty much by ANYTHING |
| 15:17.21 | rm_work | Jaffa: rofl |
| 15:17.31 | lardman | :D |
| 15:17.46 | rm_work | jonwil: and the formula is retarded T_T |
| 15:17.48 | Venemo_N900 | Jaffa, srsly? |
| 15:17.57 | Venemo_N900 | lol |
| 15:17.57 | Jaffa | Venemo_N900: Yeah, srsly. |
| 15:17.57 | alterego | Jaffa: Another "upgrade"? :D |
| 15:18.07 | SpeedEvil | rm_work: It works adequately in pitch darkness to set the backlight level to minimum |
| 15:18.07 | Jaffa | alterego: Don't look a gift horse in the mouth. |
| 15:18.11 | Venemo_N900 | Jaffa :D |
| 15:18.22 | DocScrutinizer | rm_work: yes. that's where my idea is from, to LD_PRELOAD a wrapper to catch all open() and write() and related file funcrions when tehy match a certain path |
| 15:18.25 | rm_work | SpeedEvil: yeah :P |
| 15:18.26 | Jaffa | alterego: E7s seem to go for about 280 quid these days on ebay |
| 15:18.44 | jonwil | are you talking about screen brightness or keyboard backlight? |
| 15:18.45 | rm_work | DocScrutinizer: R O F L |
| 15:18.49 | rm_work | jonwil: screen |
| 15:18.53 | jonwil | ok |
| 15:18.56 | SpeedEvil | Is there an easy way to esit the levels that advanced-backlight-widget sets? |
| 15:19.10 | alterego | Jaffa: it's when you tell us they're running windows phone as a strategic coup. |
| 15:19.14 | rm_work | SpeedEvil: ? |
| 15:19.18 | DocScrutinizer | rm_work: ??? |
| 15:19.30 | SpeedEvil | rm_work: I want to set the lowest to '2' - for example |
| 15:19.34 | rm_work | DocScrutinizer: that just might work, and it's a hilarious idea |
| 15:19.39 | alterego | hiemanshu: so, kinda looks like my tomorrow guess was correct ;) hopefully :) |
| 15:19.45 | javispedro | hah |
| 15:19.45 | DocScrutinizer | it's a HACK |
| 15:19.51 | rm_work | SpeedEvil: ah, yeah i could implement that |
| 15:19.51 | DocScrutinizer | a nasty one too |
| 15:20.02 | javispedro | the only way they are approving my launchpad application is with a hammer |
| 15:20.03 | rm_work | DocScrutinizer: yeah, that's why I ROFLed :P |
| 15:20.05 | javispedro | that, or an act of god. |
| 15:20.05 | Jaffa | alterego: SSH only works cos it's running a qemu port to WP7 |
| 15:20.05 | hiemanshu | alterego: yes :) |
| 15:20.13 | lardman | alterego: well at least your predicton can no longer be late ;) |
| 15:20.34 | DocScrutinizer | even more of a hack is to sed -i "s./sys.XXX." mce.binary |
| 15:20.44 | rm_work | SpeedEvil: I mean, the "levels" that ABL sets are... any backlight number |
| 15:20.53 | rm_work | SpeedEvil: I could allow the user to change the low/high range |
| 15:20.59 | javispedro | has ordered two devices pluse n950 thing on monday, and is making bets who will ship first: lenovo, amazon, or nokia. |
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| 15:21.06 | rm_work | so instead of going from 0-127, it goes 2-120 |
| 15:21.08 | rm_work | or something |
| 15:21.09 | jonwil | ok, in the mce code I see display.h with a #define DISPLAY_BACKLIGHT_PATH /sys/class/backlight |
| 15:21.26 | rm_work | javispedro: amazon >_> |
| 15:21.36 | rm_work | javispedro: no question :P |
| 15:21.45 | javispedro | rm_work, not sure actually, lenovo estimate says shorter time |
| 15:21.47 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: you did WHAT? |
| 15:22.10 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: order a N950??? |
| 15:22.31 | javispedro | obviously not |
| 15:22.42 | DocScrutinizer | sorry, misread |
| 15:22.48 | javispedro | parse as (has ordered two devices) plus (n950 thing) |
| 15:23.00 | rm_work | javispedro: amazon usually ships basically instantly... tho i guess, did you buy it from AMAZON, or from some dealer VIA amazon? |
| 15:23.08 | Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: You're now sending like qole on any mention of 'meltemi' |
| 15:23.08 | jonwil | so on Harmattan we have /sys/class/backlight as #define DISPLAY_BACKLIGHT_PATH |
| 15:23.22 | jonwil | and in MeeGo code we have the same path defined as DISPLAY_CABC_PATH |
| 15:23.23 | javispedro | rm_work, for some reason they have not shipped yet |
| 15:23.34 | rm_work | jonwil: well, k. though I doubt the sysfs node is going to be the way to go |
| 15:23.35 | jonwil | Either way, it looks like I need to reverse engineer and clone the Fremantle libdisplay.so file for backlight work |
| 15:23.40 | DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: elaborate please |
| 15:23.43 | fiferboy | Jaffa: Meltemi! Who knows about that!! |
| 15:23.50 | jonwil | then you can replace it |
| 15:23.50 | javispedro | rm_work, (despite all of the items I bought being in stock) |
| 15:23.54 | jonwil | and do things your way |
| 15:23.57 | jonwil | or should be able to |
| 15:24.13 | javispedro | yes, that would be useful =) |
| 15:24.15 | Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: qole at the conference was convinced that finding the answer to "What is Meltemi?" would illuminate Nokia's secret plans for the continuation of MeeGo |
| 15:24.27 | rm_work | jonwil: yes, very useful :P |
| 15:24.36 | rm_work | lolwut |
| 15:24.36 | lardman | Jaffa: and did he find the answer? |
| 15:24.44 | Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: It was funny/exciting/embarrassing[* delete as appropriate] |
| 15:24.45 | DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: sounds rather nuts |
| 15:24.49 | jonwil | rm_work, do you follow the maemo-developers mailing llist? |
| 15:25.00 | jonwil | Anything I do related to mce code will be posted on there most likely |
| 15:25.00 | Jaffa | lardman: No, of course not - it's just the name of another internal project. Probably WP7-ey |
| 15:25.09 | lardman | ah ok |
| 15:25.11 | Jaffa | lardman: But he was like Pavlov's dogs ;) |
| 15:25.13 | rm_work | jonwil: i used to but somehow i got un-signed-up |
| 15:25.20 | jonwil | ok |
| 15:25.26 | rm_work | but i am around here a lot |
| 15:25.29 | lardman | so not a red herring planted on purpose then :) |
| 15:25.35 | Jaffa | lardman: :) |
| 15:25.39 | javispedro | it's a planet on the M57 galaxy |
| 15:25.42 | javispedro | *a sun |
| 15:25.53 | javispedro | they are obviously sending Elop there. |
| 15:25.56 | lardman | wonders what the Finnish for "red herring" is |
| 15:26.57 | lardman | harhautus or harhautusyritys apparently fwiw |
| 15:27.08 | jonwil | but yeah lots of the readme files and docs for various packages have useful info |
| 15:27.49 | Corsac | hmhm, shouldn't the next wind start by J? |
| 15:28.24 | lardman | Why J? |
| 15:28.37 | javispedro | yes, what happened to Inverna? |
| 15:28.45 | lardman | It should be G, but we've already done that one, so next by my reckoning is I |
| 15:28.47 | Stskeeps | you mean ilmatar |
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| 15:29.32 | javispedro | heh |
| 15:29.46 | lardman | sounds like another code word for Qole :) |
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| 15:30.28 | Stskeeps | ironically i was at a intel hiring event at the same address of tuxera ntfs guys and a resturant ilmatar |
| 15:32.47 | jonwil | cool, someone came up with a header file for the otherwise closed HildonTimeZoneChooser widget |
| 15:32.49 | jonwil | neat |
| 15:33.19 | Stskeeps | i still find it interesting it was said that qt5 wont be for symbian |
| 15:33.56 | alterego | I hope the face recognition / object tracking stuff in Harmattan is open enough to use. |
| 15:33.58 | DocScrutinizer | elopocalypse |
| 15:34.08 | alterego | Though I imagine it's neither recognition or tracking. |
| 15:34.39 | DocScrutinizer | definitely it's face detection, not recognition |
| 15:34.50 | alterego | Yeah, |
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| 15:35.03 | alterego | I'm contemplating an auto tagger for camera |
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| 15:35.24 | alterego | Doing it before uploading to facebook, on your phone, seems less intrusive .. |
| 15:35.41 | DocScrutinizer | who was it that claimed he got true face recognition working on maemo? |
| 15:35.42 | lardman | alterego: apparently more info will be available on that after the N9 launch |
| 15:35.45 | alterego | Where as the auto recognition _on_ facebook, got a lot of flack. |
| 15:36.09 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: face detection |
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| 15:36.38 | DocScrutinizer | I thought somebody was working on recognition though |
| 15:36.50 | DocScrutinizer | mentioned that 2 or 4 days ago in this chan |
| 15:36.54 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: yes I was |
| 15:36.58 | DocScrutinizer | I may be wrong |
| 15:36.59 | hiemanshu | I am working on it |
| 15:37.06 | hiemanshu | but I got face detection working |
| 15:37.08 | DocScrutinizer | aah |
| 15:37.34 | DocScrutinizer | openCV comes to mind |
| 15:37.44 | hiemanshu | yup |
| 15:38.00 | DocScrutinizer | wonders about the strange processes in his brain sometimes |
| 15:38.03 | jonwil | interesting, the csd-gprs package comes with dbus docs for it |
| 15:38.06 | jonwil | neat |
| 15:38.14 | alterego | bbl |
| 15:38.57 | DocScrutinizer | jonwil: you NEED a blog, or a dedicated wikipage, wher we could look up all the awesome stuff you dig up every day |
| 15:38.59 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: there are quite a few examples with opencv, libface and haar detections |
| 15:39.43 | DocScrutinizer | jonwil: IRC is too volatile for that sort of stuff |
| 15:39.48 | jonwil | :) |
| 15:39.59 | DocScrutinizer | mailing lists too unstructured |
| 15:40.35 | hiemanshu | will bbl |
| 15:40.43 | DocScrutinizer | jonwil: I'm doing my best to keep up with all that bits of info you dump here, but I fail |
| 15:41.08 | rm_work | jonwil: yes plz, blog |
| 15:41.21 | jonwil | I just dont have the time to do a formal blog. I think the most likely place to dump this would be some wiki page(s) somewhere on the maemo wiki |
| 15:41.30 | jonwil | if I get any time to do it that is |
| 15:41.42 | DocScrutinizer | jonwil: honestly, if you want others to profit from your work, you need a central place where everything is aggregated |
| 15:42.09 | DocScrutinizer | do it on wiki |
| 15:42.32 | jonwil | yeah if I get the chance I will see what I can toss up there |
| 15:42.37 | jonwil | in the way of links and info |
| 15:42.58 | DocScrutinizer | add random bits, the page may look like a mess, as long as the bits are documented there and not only here on IRC |
| 15:43.50 | rm_work | jonwil: a blog is not hard. register for some random blog site, just paste whatever you find into the text box and hit "post" |
| 15:44.00 | rm_work | jonwil: it's even less clicks than a wiki IMO |
| 15:44.06 | jonwil | wiki is better, its easier for me |
| 15:44.12 | alterego | agrees |
| 15:44.19 | alterego | Just do something .. |
| 15:44.22 | rm_work | yeah, given then people can reformat for you |
| 15:44.38 | jonwil | and add their own info |
| 15:44.54 | DocScrutinizer | jonwil: see http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba#Wifi_Hotspot and http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/NAT |
| 15:45.01 | DocScrutinizer | jonwil: ...for an example |
| 15:45.25 | lardman | I'd go with the wiki, then the structure can be organised by people who are interested in that, leaving you to crack on with the investigation, which is what interests you |
| 15:45.31 | jonwil | with regards to opening stuff up, more often than not, its not actual code I want, its definitions of dbus calls, disk files, gconf configs and stuff. Or its header files and info on a handful of functions |
| 15:45.42 | DocScrutinizer | jonwil: see http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/ for a more messy example |
| 15:46.08 | jonwil | for example there are maybe 1/2 dozen functions in libconnui and libconnui-qt that I wish I had info on but dont. |
| 15:46.18 | DocScrutinizer | lardman: ++ |
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| 15:49.18 | GeneralAntilles | So, kimitake is the 3rd person to get an email. |
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| 15:49.30 | DocScrutinizer | what mail?? |
| 15:50.03 | terriririst | n950 |
| 15:50.34 | DocScrutinizer | :-o |
| 15:50.52 | rm_work | jonwil: yeah, do a wiki page like that, and even put a section for "LOOKING FOR INFO ON [...]" and maybe anonymous people will add stuff for you :P |
| 15:50.53 | DocScrutinizer | who's second then? |
| 15:51.10 | rm_work | GeneralAntilles: what does the email look like? |
| 15:51.23 | GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer, think it was thp. |
| 15:51.38 | DocScrutinizer | hmm |
| 15:51.42 | GeneralAntilles | rm_work, same as Jaffa's, I guess. |
| 15:51.44 | DocScrutinizer | no mail here yet |
| 15:51.49 | rm_work | which was? |
| 15:52.42 | DocScrutinizer | "A N950 is waiting for you. Sincerely, noreply@nokia" |
| 15:53.04 | DocScrutinizer | I gather |
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| 15:53.25 | Corsac | I got my NACK on friday :( |
| 15:53.44 | Jaffa | Basically, yes. |
| 15:54.04 | Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: FWIW, it then did appear in the "Devices available" section of the DDP. Well, that's where the URL in the email went. |
| 15:54.20 | Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: I was clicking quite quickly so didn't explorer any other routes to get to the same info ;-) |
| 15:54.24 | DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: \o/ |
| 15:54.53 | DocScrutinizer | hits F5 |
| 15:55.13 | DocScrutinizer | not yet |
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| 15:55.52 | timeless | hello world |
| 15:55.56 | timeless | sp3000: ping |
| 15:56.03 | GeneralAntilles | Hey, timeless. |
| 15:56.05 | DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: you might want to edit your post and add https://forumnokia.secure.force.com/apex/DDP |
| 15:56.07 | timeless | (or any Finnish speaker) |
| 15:56.08 | timeless | hi |
| 15:56.22 | lardman | hi timeless |
| 15:56.27 | DocScrutinizer | hi timeless, long time no see |
| 15:56.35 | timeless | is enjoying Toronto |
| 15:56.43 | DocScrutinizer | heh |
| 15:56.47 | timeless | well... I also managed to give myself a nasty sunburn on Sunday |
| 15:56.55 | timeless | Sunny day... keeping the clouds away ... |
| 15:57.16 | timeless | ok, this is odd |
| 15:57.23 | timeless | Sampo bank sent me a letter in *English* |
| 15:57.29 | rm_work | lol |
| 15:57.33 | timeless | didn't know they could do that |
| 15:57.35 | rm_work | waves at timeless |
| 15:57.40 | timeless | hi |
| 15:58.13 | timeless | Your loans: <one item> | have been transferred from Sampo Bank plc to Sampo Housing Loan Bank plc on <date>. |
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| 15:58.37 | Corsac | aha |
| 15:58.46 | timeless | You are among those of our favoured loan customers whose loan (see loan numbers and ocrresponding capital above) and related collaterals have been transferred to Sampo Housing Loan Bank plc. |
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| 15:59.11 | DocScrutinizer | congrats |
| 15:59.26 | Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: Specifically https://forumnokia.secure.force.com/apex/ProductDetailByName?productName=Nokia+N950 |
| 16:00.04 | timeless | ... |
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| 16:00.25 | DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: even more appreciated to post that link somewhere, as it doesn't show up for me otherwise |
| 16:00.48 | MohammadAG | yay timeless's back :D |
| 16:00.48 | timeless | You must contact your branch of Sampo Bank, use Web bank or call Sampo banks telephone service <number>, if you have a query about the loan, would like to have interest only, if you want to discuss other potential changes to your loan or apply for at new loan. |
| 16:00.58 | timeless | <typos in the above are *theirs*!> |
| 16:01.35 | timeless | Well, it clearly wasn't written by a native speaker, and it clearly isn't a machine translation... |
| 16:01.54 | Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: It's in the post. But it's the top thing in the email. Hell, it's the only thing I saw ;-) |
| 16:02.21 | fiferboy | timeless: You're enjoying Canada? |
| 16:02.31 | timeless | yes, it's great |
| 16:02.51 | timeless | wonderful weather (perhaps a bit sunny -- see sun burn...) |
| 16:02.57 | timeless | friendly people (this is a big plus) |
| 16:03.02 | rm_work | you're not in... FRENCH CANADA... are you? T_T |
| 16:03.07 | timeless | lots of things to do (this is a huge difference) |
| 16:03.20 | timeless | rm_work: no, Toronto is definitely not French Canada :) |
| 16:03.23 | DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: fine, now I definitely know what to script |
| 16:03.25 | rm_work | whew |
| 16:03.26 | fiferboy | rm_work: He said friendly people, so no :P |
| 16:03.26 | DocScrutinizer | :-) |
| 16:03.31 | rm_work | fiferboy: yeah :P |
| 16:03.52 | rm_work | has to deal with french canadians for work T_T |
| 16:04.10 | fiferboy | does too, but not directly |
| 16:04.35 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, stop hitting F5, you'll get an email :P |
| 16:04.36 | lardman | Quebec was interesting last year.... |
| 16:05.07 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: or not, if it gets rejected by spamfilter like ~70% of Nokia mails |
| 16:05.57 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, you'll see everyone talking about it then ;) |
| 16:06.14 | fiferboy | lardman: Interesting good? |
| 16:06.19 | lardman | hmm |
| 16:06.22 | DocScrutinizer | no, I won't as I'm not looking everywhere to see people talk about sth |
| 16:06.25 | lardman | the weather was nice |
| 16:06.57 | javispedro | curses good weather |
| 16:06.59 | lardman | I'd say we won't be planning to head back soon |
| 16:07.01 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: scripting the F5 hitting is definitely the better method |
| 16:07.03 | javispedro | I want clouds, DARKNESS!! |
| 16:07.20 | fiferboy | lardman: Did you see any of English Canada? |
| 16:07.33 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, breaking it off they keyboard is even better :P |
| 16:07.51 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, and you're always on IRC, you'll see most of us talking about how we ordered N950s and are now waiting for them |
| 16:08.06 | lardman | fiferboy: unfortunately not |
| 16:08.23 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: so what? I got that "watch page" in FF |
| 16:09.07 | fiferboy | lardman: I drove sort of nearish to Bath in the fall |
| 16:09.30 | lardman | nearish meaning Scotland? ;) |
| 16:09.59 | fiferboy | lardman: No, Cardiff to London |
| 16:10.02 | GAN900 | contemplates driving to see the shuttle launch |
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| 16:10.06 | GAN900 | gets lazy. |
| 16:10.12 | fiferboy | GAN900: It's your last chance! |
| 16:10.17 | timeless | :(, no Finnish speakers? |
| 16:10.27 | lardman | oh right, pretty close then; if you're about again give us a shout, we have more rooms now |
| 16:10.37 | DocScrutinizer | GAN900: they still launch shuttles? |
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| 16:12.05 | lardman | final F5, and nothing available yet |
| 16:12.14 | lardman | heads for home, catch you all on the morrow |
| 16:14.07 | MohammadAG | hmm, can someone create an instance of a class from itself? |
| 16:14.16 | GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer, last one. |
| 16:14.39 | GeneralAntilles | timeless, Summer holiday? :P |
| 16:14.41 | javispedro | MohammadAG, stupid question? or is there something else? |
| 16:15.22 | Jaffa | MohammadAG: Of course. Why not? |
| 16:15.34 | timeless | GeneralAntilles: ... |
| 16:16.01 | javispedro | hiya timeless |
| 16:16.08 | jonwil | Its perfectly fine to create an instance of a class from inside itself |
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| 16:16.18 | timeless | hi |
| 16:16.46 | MohammadAG | javispedro, stupid question ;) |
| 16:17.07 | javispedro | :D |
| 16:17.41 | javispedro | happens sometimes.. |
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| 16:18.35 | javispedro | today for some reason forgot that "-" is used often to represent stdin/stdout in args and wondered why "_" didn't work, until I decided to do an ls and saw the _ file... |
| 16:19.28 | jonwil | finding people who know stuff about otherwise undocumented parts of maemo is hard :P |
| 16:21.50 | jonwil | and I am now convinced more than ever that we will never have source code for the mce binary that is usable on Fremantle :) |
| 16:21.53 | timeless | - isn't really a Maemo-ism |
| 16:22.08 | timeless | it's a standard Unix-ism |
| 16:22.14 | jonwil | Nor will we ever be able to replace the cell stack with ofono (too many undocumented pieces of the jigsaw there) |
| 16:22.24 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
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| 16:22.40 | jonwil | ICD is also too closed to be of use |
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| 16:24.15 | timeless | rotfl |
| 16:24.22 | timeless | Notification concerning transfer of residence |
| 16:24.25 | timeless | Dear Client, |
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| 16:24.36 | timeless | You requested a correspondence to Your application in English. |
| 16:24.45 | slonopotamus | jonwil: that's the main reason why i didn't attempt to run gentoo on n900. too much closed stuff. |
| 16:24.48 | timeless | We are sorry to inform, but we cannot give a resolution in English. |
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| 16:25.09 | GeneralAntilles | timeless, that's a bit sad. |
| 16:25.24 | timeless | Short translation to the resultion, sent to You, is that since You have meoved permanently abroad (Canada), You no longer are covered under the Finnish social security system from <date> onwards. |
| 16:25.30 | timeless | Yours sincerely |
| 16:25.44 | timeless | <Author -- who also wrote the Finnish thing which was considerably longer> |
| 16:25.55 | timeless | GeneralAntilles: what i find amusing is that she gave me what I wanted |
| 16:26.21 | rm_work | timeless: you moved to Canada, permanently? how did i miss that, lol |
| 16:26.41 | timeless | but she sent me two distinct letters: the official Finnish one and the unofficial English one |
| 16:26.50 | timeless | I guess they don't care about cost of mail delivery |
| 16:27.06 | timeless | rm_work: i mostly announced it on fb... |
| 16:27.21 | timeless | i've been here a month |
| 16:27.33 | timeless | well, i also told people @MeeGo/SF |
| 16:27.46 | timeless | since I was going to Toronto the following week.. |
| 16:29.23 | rm_work | heh yeah, wonder if i wasn't paying attention or if we aren't FB friends :P |
| 16:29.37 | rm_work | ah well, looks like i'm using Google+ now |
| 16:30.24 | timeless | rm_work: you should be able to find me if we aren't, i tried to add people between Jan and May (for Maemo people mostly May) |
| 16:30.35 | timeless | i'm still waiting on G+ |
| 16:30.47 | timeless | i got an invite after it ran out of slots |
| 16:30.52 | rm_work | me too |
| 16:30.58 | rm_work | they add more slots like every hour or so |
| 16:31.09 | MohammadAG | I got an invite before it ran out of slots and I couldn't join |
| 16:31.13 | rm_work | just got my invite on friday from hiemanshu |
| 16:31.38 | MohammadAG | has to wait 32 days |
| 16:31.43 | timeless | why? |
| 16:31.53 | hiemanshu | if anyone wants invited, PM me your gmail ID |
| 16:32.07 | hiemanshu | invites* |
| 16:32.12 | MohammadAG | cause that's when I turn 18 |
| 16:32.37 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: under 18 not allowed? |
| 16:34.18 | MohammadAG | hiemanshu, yeah |
| 16:34.31 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: thats stupid, I thought it was 13+ |
| 16:34.47 | cpscotti | hiemanshu: no.. it's G+ |
| 16:34.47 | jonwil | Given meego-on-N900, the only really closed source bits of software left right now are sgx, wl1251-cal (which I reverse engineered a while back and dumped notes on the wiki for IIRC), sysinfod (whatever that does), closed pulseaudio bits (never did find out what those do or why they need to be closed), libcal and BME |
| 16:34.52 | jonwil | and I think GPS blobs |
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| 16:35.04 | MohammadAG | This feature is not available for your account |
| 16:35.04 | MohammadAG | You must be over a certain age to use this feature. |
| 16:35.08 | cpscotti | (hehe) |
| 16:35.24 | hiemanshu | cpscotti: hah |
| 16:35.29 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: use fake ages :P |
| 16:36.27 | MohammadAG | hiemanshu, cba, they're only 32 days :P |
| 16:37.02 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: I could change the world in 32 days! :P |
| 16:38.50 | hiemanshu | F5 F5 F5 F5 |
| 16:38.56 | hiemanshu | bleh, the DDP page is still empty :( |
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| 16:45.49 | DocScrutinizer | hehe, same here |
| 16:49.00 | hiemanshu | I wonder why I dont have email yet |
| 16:51.20 | gri | they haven't found a trainee to check the list yet? :D |
| 16:51.51 | timeless | http://www.new-technology-online.com/black-nokia-n9/ |
| 16:51.58 | timeless | what's w/ the second big picture on that page? |
| 16:52.14 | SpeedEvil | haha. |
| 16:52.32 | SpeedEvil | The corners change shape when you open the keyboard. |
| 16:52.37 | SpeedEvil | What an innovative idea! |
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| 16:52.56 | SpeedEvil | patents. |
| 16:53.06 | hiemanshu | plus it gets extra buttons! |
| 16:53.43 | jonwil | Anyone know of a list of all the packages that come with a harmattan install on either n950 or n9? |
| 16:53.49 | jonwil | Not the SDK, the actual on-phone package list |
| 16:54.03 | Stskeeps | jonwil: pulseaudio stuff is basically nokia algorithms that help audio quality and other 3gpp mandated stuff |
| 16:54.17 | javispedro | jonwil, http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=G92Ugk7c |
| 16:54.22 | jonwil | Looks like some of that stuff is opensource in Harmattan |
| 16:54.42 | jonwil | pulseaudio-meego, pulseaudio-policy-enforcement and some stuff like that |
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| 16:55.22 | jonwil | oh wait no, looks like they are just not in the SDK |
| 16:55.33 | Stskeeps | think weve abstracted the algorithms out at least |
| 16:55.38 | Stskeeps | you can work without them, fwiw |
| 16:55.43 | jonwil | so pulseaudio-module-nokia-algorithms and pulseaudio-module-nokia-common and pulseaudio-module-nokia-eci-parameters |
| 16:55.43 | Stskeeps | but audio quality may suffer |
| 16:55.51 | jonwil | seem to remain |
| 16:55.59 | jonwil | and are presumably still closed in Harmattan |
| 16:56.03 | Stskeeps | yeah.. and those are pretty much fat chance to get released |
| 16:56.10 | Stskeeps | very much of what makes a nokia phone nokia |
| 16:56.52 | jonwil | yeah audio quality is a BIG point of difference with phone makers |
| 16:57.13 | jonwil | so algorithims that improve audio quality (esp call quality) are big business |
| 16:57.42 | Stskeeps | i want to transform them towards a lib or something like that so we arent hurt by pulseaudio updates, so thats one action point for me |
| 16:58.03 | Stskeeps | as at this rate we can assume at some point, the honey stops |
| 16:58.15 | jonwil | I think the answer would be to do something a bit like what NVIDIA does with their kernel blob for their GPUs |
| 16:58.39 | Stskeeps | :nod: |
| 16:58.47 | jonwil | i.e. you figure out the minimum bits that must remain closed and transfer the code into static libraries which dont call any pulseaudio functions at all |
| 16:58.59 | jonwil | instead they call glue code |
| 16:59.06 | jonwil | which then calls whatever pulseaudio bits they need to call |
| 16:59.10 | Stskeeps | that is my plan, but lets see |
| 16:59.26 | jonwil | something else that I think is still closed is the stuff for speaker protection |
| 16:59.40 | Corsac | jonwil: wan't a dpkg -l on a n950 rootfs? |
| 16:59.45 | Stskeeps | jonwil: :nod: |
| 16:59.46 | jonwil | i.e. to keep audio from damaning the speakers on the device |
| 17:00.12 | KMFDM | didn't get an n950 :( |
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| 17:00.29 | Stskeeps | at least we dont have any closed kernel drivers |
| 17:00.31 | KMFDM | nor is the n9 going to be sold in my country i'll have to import from germany or something |
| 17:00.33 | Stskeeps | that is just such a mess |
| 17:00.50 | macmaN | cryptsetup is on the device, i wonder what theyre doing with that |
| 17:01.05 | RST38h | Stskeeps: Linux not having binary driver API is a part of this mess |
| 17:01.13 | Stskeeps | RST38h: no disagreements |
| 17:01.15 | jonwil | yeah closed kernel drivers are a nightmare |
| 17:01.29 | jonwil | Often though what you get is a company that moves the closed bits to userspace |
| 17:01.36 | jonwil | and has a kernel shim that just does the actual hardware access |
| 17:01.43 | jonwil | same as what BME does I guess :) |
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| 17:02.01 | RST38h | Sounds like just an uglier case to do the same though |
| 17:02.13 | jonwil | so can anyone tell me just what sysinfod/libsysinfo actually does? |
| 17:02.32 | jonwil | best guess is that it retrieves information from various system places (cal, secure storage etc) |
| 17:02.39 | Stskeeps | jonwil: good guess |
| 17:02.53 | jonwil | and that its closed because Nokia doesnt want people to be able to touch those secure areas |
| 17:03.24 | jonwil | I am surprised that the libsysinfo headers are in the Harmattan SDK though |
| 17:03.26 | MohammadAG | Checking Maemo Heartbeat ... Not Found <-- wtf is Maemo Heartbeat |
| 17:03.34 | Stskeeps | MohammadAG: libiphb |
| 17:03.41 | Stskeeps | very interesting technology but noone uses it |
| 17:03.43 | Jaffa | MohammadAG: That was/is the thing which synchronised network access IIRC |
| 17:03.57 | jonwil | Although it could be that sysinfo headers are in the SDK by mistake... |
| 17:04.04 | Jaffa | But it should've been implemented at the stack level, rather than being an API developers had to rewrite to use |
| 17:04.04 | Stskeeps | its just a dbus interface |
| 17:04.31 | Stskeeps | (sysinfo) |
| 17:04.46 | Corsac | jonwil: http://molly.corsac.net/~corsac/maemo/harmattan/dpkg.txt |
| 17:05.10 | jonwil | no, its both a dbus interface (/com/nokia/SystemInfo) and a library (libsysinfo) |
| 17:05.24 | jonwil | Both the dbus interface and the library are documented through the headers in the Harmattan SDK |
| 17:05.26 | Stskeeps | think that is just a dbus wrapper |
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| 17:06.16 | jonwil | possibly |
| 17:06.24 | jonwil | although sysinfod links to libsysinfo |
| 17:06.29 | jonwil | so it might be the other way around |
| 17:06.37 | jonwil | in any case its all documented |
| 17:07.21 | jonwil | reading sysinfo.h I can see why some of this stuff is sensitive |
| 17:07.54 | jonwil | things like wlan mac address |
| 17:08.04 | jonwil | or bluetooth ids |
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| 17:08.13 | jonwil | or imei |
| 17:08.45 | jonwil | secure certificate access |
| 17:11.37 | jonwil | I think I finally understand what all the closed-in-meego bits DO at long last :) |
| 17:11.44 | jonwil | and why they are closed |
| 17:12.22 | Stskeeps | in meego we have really tried to avoid blobs for no good reason, but some powers are just stronger than us :) |
| 17:12.44 | jonwil | yeah |
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| 17:12.58 | jonwil | Like the FCC for example (referencing wl1251-cal here) |
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| 17:13.45 | jonwil | being that wl1251-cal appears to be responsible for important stuff related to detecting which of the different sets of wireless regulations should be used at the current time |
| 17:13.50 | jonwil | e.g. FCC or EU or whatever |
| 17:14.10 | Stskeeps | at least the situation is better than years ago, we can fairly easily get a binary-only license that can be redistributed for non commercial purposes |
| 17:14.14 | Stskeeps | that is really a big step up |
| 17:14.47 | wmarone | are these hardware specific bits? |
| 17:14.54 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 17:14.59 | jonwil | yes, all these bits are specific to the N900 |
| 17:15.06 | Stskeeps | no closed source goes into meego trunk, trunk must not depend on them |
| 17:15.12 | wmarone | right |
| 17:15.30 | wmarone | ok, just making sure I wasn't reading it wrong |
| 17:15.34 | jonwil | I just hope Nokia will give meego-ce all the needed blobs for meego-ce-on-n9(50) |
| 17:15.35 | Stskeeps | it makes the platform so much more portable than maemo ever was |
| 17:15.40 | Stskeeps | jonwil: we are very actively working on it |
| 17:15.50 | jonwil | I am sure |
| 17:16.15 | jonwil | N9 and N950 should be made first class citizens for meego-ce just as N900 is |
| 17:17.11 | Stskeeps | it has been running alongside meego ce images for a long time |
| 17:17.24 | Stskeeps | i would really like a proper upstream based kernel but that is in progress.. |
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| 17:21.24 | jonwil | Are there technical reasons why the GPS bits on MeeGo N900 are closed? Reasons related to nokia-secret-ip like the pulseaudio bits? Or does it just need some sort of redo in the way ofono n900 support is a redo of the old cell stack? |
| 17:22.10 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: so I got opencv to compile on sbox for harmattan as well (with a few patches yes), now only to find a way to disable the aegis crap so I can test it when I get hold of it |
| 17:22.16 | timeless | jonwil: i'd hope that was answered by qgil ages ago.. |
| 17:22.20 | timeless | can't remember offhand |
| 17:22.25 | jonwil | I cant remember either |
| 17:22.31 | timeless | i know nokia has too much ipr in that area |
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| 17:22.51 | jonwil | I am guessing though its issues related to nokia secret IP related to making their GPS better than the other guys (including not wanting to let just anyone use their AGPS implementation and backend servers) |
| 17:22.53 | timeless | i think the low level drivers might be licensed from someone |
| 17:23.11 | jonwil | IIRC the lowlevel stuff for GPS is done on the cell modem |
| 17:23.33 | SpeedEvil | The cellmo just spits out location |
| 17:23.33 | timeless | tried not to pay attn to that stuff |
| 17:23.36 | SpeedEvil | Pretty much |
| 17:23.55 | Stskeeps | jonwil: well, we get stuff working first, under redistributable license, but location based stuff is a differentiation thing :/ |
| 17:24.09 | jonwil | true |
| 17:24.27 | Stskeeps | i wouldnt mind if someone properly reversed the communication |
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| 17:24.35 | Stskeeps | but even that didnt happen on n8x0 |
| 17:24.47 | jonwil | n8x0 GPS is very different arch to n900 |
| 17:25.02 | SpeedEvil | Stskeeps: Someone has |
| 17:25.12 | SpeedEvil | Stskeeps: n8x0 GPS is _vastly_ different |
| 17:25.14 | Stskeeps | but even with that, agps info is needed |
| 17:25.25 | SpeedEvil | Stskeeps: All the high level stuff is done in the CPU on the 8x0 |
| 17:25.33 | SpeedEvil | Stskeeps: It's all done in the 'GPS' in the n900 |
| 17:25.36 | Stskeeps | i know.. |
| 17:25.37 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 17:25.41 | SpeedEvil | Stskeeps: AGPS isn't actually needed |
| 17:25.47 | SpeedEvil | It's nice, but not needed. |
| 17:25.53 | Stskeeps | very useful if you dont have patience :P |
| 17:27.19 | rm_work | i have a bluetooth GPS unit that gets a fix in <10s in almost every single case, even cold-boot across the globe.... so why is AGPS necessary? >_> |
| 17:27.31 | Stskeeps | cos the antenna sucks in nokia devices |
| 17:27.32 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 17:27.35 | rm_work | lol |
| 17:27.40 | rm_work | ridiculous T_T |
| 17:28.17 | rm_work | so they wouldn't NEED to have fancy proprietary agps code and servers.... if they just manufactured a phone with a decent GPS Antenna for once >_> |
| 17:28.19 | jonwil | btw, about the low level communication, I have a file pn_location_isi.h taken from a Nokia QT SDK which seems to be a correct match for the N900 |
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| 17:29.05 | jonwil | so the info on the actual interface to the cellmo over isi/phonet IS documented |
| 17:29.05 | DocScrutinizer | actually it seems AGPS as of APE doesn't really work - at least sometimes |
| 17:29.39 | rm_work | APE? |
| 17:30.07 | DocScrutinizer | APlication proceesor Environment |
| 17:30.19 | DocScrutinizer | i.e. "linux" |
| 17:30.27 | DocScrutinizer | as opposed ti cmt |
| 17:30.31 | DocScrutinizer | to* |
| 17:31.17 | rm_work | wait, what? so that translates to "AGPS doesn't really work on linux"? |
| 17:31.22 | Choom | rm_work: it is likely that your GPS device saves your last location so that it can speed up the syncing |
| 17:31.26 | rm_work | like, presently |
| 17:31.39 | rm_work | Choom: as i said, even cold-boot across the globe :P |
| 17:31.45 | DocScrutinizer | last time I checked a device with proper access to internet via WLAN (for SUPL) but without a SIM card to get GPS hints via GSM didn't acquire a fix |
| 17:31.56 | SpeedEvil | rm_work: I question if that's possible. |
| 17:31.58 | rm_work | i'm aware it can get a hot-fix, and THAT takes <3s |
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| 17:32.07 | rm_work | SpeedEvil: well, anyone i was with in Berlin saw it |
| 17:32.15 | jonwil | in any case I see no great obstacles in the way preventing someone (e.g. freesmartphone people) from doing usable GPS on the N900 |
| 17:32.19 | SpeedEvil | rm_work: By cold boot, do you mean that has not been turned on in over 12 weeks? |
| 17:32.31 | SpeedEvil | Or has no stored data at all? |
| 17:32.32 | rm_work | i mean last time it was turned on, it was in Texas, and now it's in Berlin |
| 17:32.42 | SpeedEvil | Ah - that's a different case then. |
| 17:32.53 | SpeedEvil | It has live almanac |
| 17:33.02 | SpeedEvil | and probably ephimeredes. |
| 17:33.15 | SpeedEvil | So you can plausibly get a position in on the order of 6 seconds. |
| 17:33.30 | rm_work | AFAIK it can't hot-fix outside of like.... a hundred miles or so |
| 17:33.38 | rm_work | ok |
| 17:33.41 | rm_work | interesting |
| 17:33.43 | jonwil | Even the supl/agps issue can be dealt with (IIRC google provides a supl server) |
| 17:33.45 | DocScrutinizer | rm_work: the alm and ephem are global |
| 17:33.52 | rm_work | it was also able to get an accurate fix inside an airplane |
| 17:33.58 | rm_work | that lead to hilarious speed readings |
| 17:34.09 | SpeedEvil | The GPS satellites broadcast 'time' every 6 seconds. |
| 17:34.26 | rm_work | tracked my plane on the way to LAX for about 5 minutes |
| 17:34.33 | DocScrutinizer | after that you got your current alm/ephem |
| 17:34.34 | rm_work | left quite a quick trail :P |
| 17:34.40 | DocScrutinizer | if it's in storage |
| 17:34.41 | SpeedEvil | You need to recieve at least one time signal. If you odn't have an almanac, or ephemerides, you need at least one 30s cycle of the signal. |
| 17:34.57 | rm_work | ok |
| 17:34.58 | rm_work | so then |
| 17:35.12 | rm_work | the n810 / n900 GPS still has no excuse for taking 5 minutes |
| 17:35.18 | rm_work | though the n900 isn't QUITE that bad |
| 17:35.29 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: I think FSO guys made it down to st like 14s without stored pickle? |
| 17:35.30 | SpeedEvil | It's not quite that simple. Sometimes there is a good excuse. |
| 17:35.37 | jonwil | http://thenokiablog.com/2009/12/16/google-location-server-supl/ |
| 17:35.42 | SpeedEvil | As the recievers need to be individually tuned per satellite |
| 17:35.48 | jonwil | seems like using the Google supl server may help |
| 17:35.59 | rm_work | erm |
| 17:36.01 | rm_work | so again |
| 17:36.23 | rm_work | what advantage would my BT GPS have, if it was turned off at the same time as an n810 GPS in Texas, and then turned on at the same time in Berlin? |
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| 17:36.47 | rm_work | besides a useful antenna? :P |
| 17:36.55 | SpeedEvil | rm_work: Better firmware, and possibly more correlators. |
| 17:37.11 | DocScrutinizer | rm_work: advantage is your BT mouse doesn't suck on GPS implementation ;-P |
| 17:37.14 | rm_work | wouldn't it have seen the same sattelites? :P |
| 17:37.29 | SpeedEvil | rm_work: The resciever has to search through a three dimensional 'space' to find the points that represent the current satellite position. |
| 17:38.03 | SpeedEvil | rm_work: Throwing enough hardware at it, one or two of these dimensions can be solved 'instantly' |
| 17:38.22 | SpeedEvil | (within 20ms or so) |
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| 17:38.28 | DocScrutinizer | those are the correlators |
| 17:38.29 | jonwil | anyhow, there is information that suggests that using the google supl server is better on the n900 |
| 17:38.33 | jonwil | so I will give it a go :) |
| 17:38.39 | jonwil | and see what happens |
| 17:39.27 | DocScrutinizer | jonwil: NB usually the "supl" the GPS is using gets delovered via GSM network |
| 17:39.40 | DocScrutinizer | if you got any SIM inserted |
| 17:39.49 | jonwil | well people said its better |
| 17:39.53 | jonwil | so it cant hurt to try it :P |
| 17:40.02 | DocScrutinizer | only a few carriers don't support it on their network |
| 17:40.03 | rm_work | my n900 is set to the nokia one... |
| 17:40.07 | rm_work | i will try changing it |
| 17:40.12 | rm_work | what is the google one? |
| 17:40.24 | jonwil | supl.google.com |
| 17:40.36 | rm_work | lol k |
| 17:40.46 | MohammadAG | fucking facebook |
| 17:40.59 | DocScrutinizer | you'll most likely get random results unless you understand *exactly* what you're doing |
| 17:41.00 | MohammadAG | right after I implemented something I found out I can't access it with the API |
| 17:41.04 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: language :P |
| 17:41.06 | macmaN | fuck facebook |
| 17:41.07 | macmaN | in the face |
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| 17:41.26 | rm_work | (book) |
| 17:41.39 | MohammadAG | hiemanshu, didn't know this was a family channel |
| 17:41.48 | GeneralAntilles | hiemanshu, hey, this isn't #meego. :P |
| 17:41.50 | macmaN | afaik there are no females either |
| 17:41.59 | macmaN | just guy talk all the way! |
| 17:42.04 | rm_work | yeah, Myrrti is gone i think :/ |
| 17:42.05 | MohammadAG | does it matter if there are females? |
| 17:42.06 | rm_work | to meego |
| 17:42.10 | jonwil | btw, http://gitorious.org/maemo-5-certificate-manager/ is nice to have |
| 17:42.18 | jonwil | nice to have that code to play with |
| 17:42.24 | hiemanshu | GeneralAntilles: did you check if you have access yet? |
| 17:42.28 | GeneralAntilles | Just now. |
| 17:42.29 | GeneralAntilles | and no. |
| 17:42.32 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: follow the fucking freenode rules |
| 17:42.36 | jonwil | it even includes all the root certificates and stuff |
| 17:42.39 | DocScrutinizer | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=884296#post884296 (<---AGPS broken) |
| 17:42.45 | MohammadAG | I mean, females swear all the time |
| 17:42.48 | rm_work | lol |
| 17:42.53 | macmaN | since the ratio is like 1 to 1134 it makes sense to hold diversity precious and refrain from cursing |
| 17:43.07 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: stop playing with their dolls then |
| 17:43.12 | ruskie | I never can install that certman |
| 17:43.35 | ruskie | should probably try rolling my own |
| 17:43.49 | hiemanshu | 'Digia Plc is a Finland base usability house that provides this service for EUR890' <--- LOLWAT |
| 17:43.54 | tzafrir_laptop | If I sync my data from N900 with syncevolution, where does it store the actual synced data? |
| 17:44.05 | Stskeeps | hiemanshu: hm? |
| 17:44.21 | hiemanshu | Stskeeps: do you run it? |
| 17:44.44 | Stskeeps | run what |
| 17:44.55 | jonwil | FYI, I can confirm that any certificates that would be used to access the nokia supl server are included as part of that maemosec package, i.e. there are NO certificates stored in the GPS code itself that I have seen :) |
| 17:44.55 | hiemanshu | Stskeeps: Digia Plc :P |
| 17:45.04 | jonwil | which is useful for the freesmartphone guys :P |
| 17:45.10 | hiemanshu | Stskeeps: 'Welcome to User Experience Evaluation Service! ' <--- launchpad thing |
| 17:45.17 | macmaN | hiemanshu: what about digia? |
| 17:45.32 | Stskeeps | hiemanshu: no |
| 17:45.38 | MohammadAG | puts on grammar nazi hat and visits the N950 wiki page |
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| 17:46.00 | hiemanshu | macmaN: 890 Euros to evaluate the UX |
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| 17:46.18 | macmaN | i guess it depends |
| 17:46.24 | Stskeeps | hiemanshu: cheap |
| 17:46.34 | hiemanshu | Stskeeps: cheap? |
| 17:46.35 | Stskeeps | i would be more expensive |
| 17:46.52 | macmaN | depends on what exactly do they give you for that money |
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| 17:47.03 | macmaN | if it's just a poster saying "ROX" or "SUX" |
| 17:47.11 | macmaN | i probably would pay $100 for that |
| 17:47.13 | macmaN | :P |
| 17:47.22 | rm_work | i work for a company that pays somewhere around $1,000,000 / year for licensing... |
| 17:47.35 | hiemanshu | macmaN: I'd give it to you and ask your opinion :P |
| 17:47.50 | macmaN | yeah but i expect one helluva designer poster |
| 17:47.58 | macmaN | art museum type shiznit |
| 17:47.59 | rm_work | 890 Euro is kinda lolz |
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| 17:48.19 | Stskeeps | 8 hours of qualified work |
| 17:48.35 | hiemanshu | well 890 euros to me is a lot |
| 17:48.50 | Stskeeps | you would be surprised how expensive a lot of activities are in mobile linux |
| 17:48.51 | ruskie | hehe... ~200eur more and it's my monthly pay |
| 17:49.21 | hiemanshu | Stskeeps: maybe I should open a company that does that |
| 17:50.06 | macmaN | hiemanshu: that would be quite a welcome move |
| 17:50.18 | macmaN | competition is the only thing driving price down |
| 17:50.27 | macmaN | i might get my SUX poster for $50 |
| 17:50.51 | jonwil | anyone know if the Ageis stuff on the N9/N950 would get in the way of meego-ce on those devices? |
| 17:50.58 | jonwil | i.e. whatever the security crap is |
| 17:51.04 | hiemanshu | jonwil: ask DocScrutinizer :P |
| 17:51.20 | DocScrutinizer | ~aegis |
| 17:51.20 | infobot | it has been said that aegis is http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Harmattan:Developer_Library/Developing_for_Harmattan/Harmattan_security/Security_guide, or "The purpose of this framework is: ... to make sure that the platform meets the requirements set by third party software that requires a safe execution environment.", or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Computing#Criticism |
| 17:51.31 | DocScrutinizer | hiemanshu: :-P |
| 17:52.04 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: anyways opencv compiles fine in sbox for harmattan |
| 17:52.10 | hiemanshu | well it needs a few patches |
| 17:52.24 | Stskeeps | jonwil: no |
| 17:52.43 | hiemanshu | Stskeeps: is the N950 bootloader closed? or did they leave it open? |
| 17:53.03 | DocScrutinizer | jonwil: actually meego-CE *has* problems with aegis, as they want to set up dualboot and that doesn't coexist with meegoHarm trusted mode |
| 17:53.19 | Stskeeps | hiemanshu: closed and developer mode |
| 17:54.05 | DocScrutinizer | I.E. for now it seems you lose meegoHarm when installing meegoCE |
| 17:54.05 | hiemanshu | dammit |
| 17:54.46 | Stskeeps | hiemanshu: specifics is a little hazy to me |
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| 17:55.09 | DocScrutinizer | someone of Nokia is tackling it by publishing a bootloader that has Nokia signature and allows dual-boot - AIUI |
| 17:55.24 | Stskeeps | hiemanshu: go read up about MOSLO |
| 17:55.28 | MohammadAG | anyone got their launchpad account? (someone got approved on fmc) |
| 17:55.31 | DocScrutinizer | moslo right |
| 17:55.46 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: I did |
| 17:55.49 | jonwil | At least this stuff is miles more open than either my previous Motorola motomagx phone OR pretty much any Android handset to date |
| 17:56.01 | MohammadAG | hiemanshu, I know you did :p |
| 17:56.27 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: timoph and lardman|gone did too |
| 17:56.31 | hiemanshu | Stskeeps: Mo'Slo Computer Slowdown Software ? |
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| 17:56.55 | Stskeeps | hiemanshu: no, meego os loader or smth |
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| 17:57.19 | DocScrutinizer | well, quoting incredible Mr SpeedEvil Stirling: Aegis is like a nuklear bomber deployed to keep the kids off the lawn |
| 17:58.05 | Corsac | sighs |
| 17:58.16 | DocScrutinizer | and I'm not quite convince aegis will make it into N9 mass market meego |
| 17:58.28 | Corsac | DocScrutinizer: we already know it won't |
| 17:58.30 | ruskie | hope it doesn't |
| 17:58.50 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, wow, that's quite an accurate description |
| 17:59.05 | Corsac | the meego security system is based on smack and ima/evm |
| 17:59.29 | Corsac | hmmh wait, this is crap, it's about N9, sorry :) |
| 17:59.49 | hiemanshu | Stskeeps: right, I was looking at it already :P |
| 17:59.51 | Corsac | but please, people, don't confuse security and drm |
| 18:00.01 | ruskie | drm is broken |
| 18:00.52 | Corsac | instead of whining about aegis or MSSF, whine about who has the keys |
| 18:01.30 | SpeedEvil | And what sort of alarm system do they have. |
| 18:01.33 | MohammadAG | heh, would've been lulz if that 130MB source had the keys |
| 18:01.45 | DocScrutinizer | Corsac: what do you think? The hw manuf has the rootkey, nothing else makes sense |
| 18:02.42 | macmaN | why exactly is lulz > lol these days |
| 18:03.03 | DocScrutinizer | Corsac: as lonk as all systems have same rootkey cert, it's utterly useless to disclose and make publicly available this particular certkey |
| 18:03.17 | DocScrutinizer | s/onk/ong/ |
| 18:03.38 | DocScrutinizer | s/systems/devices/ |
| 18:04.14 | fiferboy | DocScrutinizer: Now do both corrections together :) |
| 18:04.25 | hiemanshu | lol |
| 18:04.29 | DocScrutinizer | you *could* ship each OMAP with its very unique rootkey, and give user access to the key via some magic passphrase printed *on the box* |
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| 18:04.53 | DocScrutinizer | fiferboy: she's too retarded to do that |
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| 18:05.09 | Corsac | or have some kind of hardware switch to âtake ownershipâ of the device |
| 18:05.20 | DocScrutinizer | indeed |
| 18:05.33 | DocScrutinizer | really hard to implement though |
| 18:05.41 | jonwil | btw stskeeps, if you guys DO end up being able to abstract out the pulseaudio blobs into static libraries with glue code, I would like to suggest you abstract the dependency between module-nokia-algorithms.so and libbmeipc. I suggest this for the benefit of people doing the various work to replace BME with code that talks more closely to the hardware. |
| 18:05.44 | DocScrutinizer | as you need a secure path to that |
| 18:06.04 | jonwil | And since that one reference is the only place in the closed-bins that references libbmeipc |
| 18:06.11 | Corsac | yeah, it's easier to move a jumper on a motherboard than on a smartphone |
| 18:06.15 | Stskeeps | wiki.meego.com/ARM/N950 |
| 18:06.29 | DocScrutinizer | jonwil: MUHAHAHA good one |
| 18:06.58 | Stskeeps | jonwil: i would like to replace it with libbme |
| 18:07.16 | DocScrutinizer | jonwil: that'S a particularly weird and bizarre one anyway |
| 18:07.30 | jonwil | yes replacing it with libbme would then allow the closed libbmeipc to be dropped completly |
| 18:07.50 | DocScrutinizer | It needs quite a fair bit of phantasy to imagine how audio and bme are related |
| 18:08.17 | jonwil | It is related when the algorithim logic needs to obtain the battery temprature info |
| 18:08.18 | Stskeeps | prolly temperature |
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| 18:08.34 | DocScrutinizer | and I have a cornucopia of scary stories what it's meant for |
| 18:08.53 | Stskeeps | to blow up in your pocket, yours alone |
| 18:09.21 | DocScrutinizer | aaaah, so it's a special sort of alert sound? ;-P |
| 18:09.30 | jaska | lithium cold fusion device! |
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| 18:10.40 | DocScrutinizer | meh: a) reduce power to speakers when device is hot, for speakers' sake. b) reduce for power usage/temperature_of_bat's sake |
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| 18:11.25 | DocScrutinizer | c) make audio play a warning sound when bat low, no matter what |
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| 18:11.50 | jonwil | the function that calls libbmeipc is called voice_temperature_timer_cb |
| 18:12.08 | DocScrutinizer | ok, that's a clue :-) |
| 18:12.46 | DocScrutinizer | jonwil: I hope this line will show up on wiki.maemo.org/user:jonwil/ in a minute :-) |
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| 18:14.11 | DocScrutinizer | obviously voice_temperature_timer_cb gets called on a pace set by timer, to read out temperature of battery |
| 18:15.16 | jonwil | well that function has a pa_log call for the string Xprot inactive, shutting down. |
| 18:15.17 | DocScrutinizer | now we can do whatever we like with that info in PA closed blob... text-to-speech read it to speakers every minute ;-P |
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| 18:15.26 | jonwil | so its related to Xprot |
| 18:15.33 | jonwil | which AFAIK is the speaker protection |
| 18:15.36 | DocScrutinizer | or switch of ringtone when device is >38°C |
| 18:15.50 | DocScrutinizer | off* |
| 18:16.04 | DocScrutinizer | jonwil: xprot is speaker prot yep |
| 18:16.56 | jonwil | ultimatly it logs a message Ambient temperature updated |
| 18:17.02 | DocScrutinizer | so probably Nokia's research resulted in a ambient_temp vs joule/min curve where speakers fail |
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| 18:17.14 | jonwil | so I am guessing that yes, the speaker protection requires the battery temp |
| 18:17.19 | jonwil | to protect the speakers |
| 18:17.21 | jonwil | and/or the device |
| 18:17.55 | DocScrutinizer | thermal management - the completely unknow black magic in embedded |
| 18:18.32 | DocScrutinizer | nobody seems have heard of it, nobody in FOSS seems to bother |
| 18:18.43 | DocScrutinizer | and well, usually you get away without it |
| 18:19.01 | DocScrutinizer | just sometimes ... BOOM :-P |
| 18:20.05 | DocScrutinizer | or *scortch* |
| 18:20.35 | DocScrutinizer | blue magic smoke escapes |
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| 18:21.15 | DocScrutinizer | usually you expect EE to do a 105% job on avoiding such situations |
| 18:22.08 | DocScrutinizer | but hten you'd also expect EE to do same 105% job on protecting speakers on a hw level |
| 18:23.11 | DocScrutinizer | of course *if* Nokia would've failed on some of those mandatory properties of their hw, you bet they'd not disclose the sw posterior hotfixes they implement |
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| 18:24.33 | DocScrutinizer | I hope for Nokia's sake this one is just for speaker protection, and not to avoid fatal battery overtemp |
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| 18:25.24 | DocScrutinizer | as on battery overtemp there's nothing less to do than *immediate* *total* shutdown of system |
| 18:25.44 | jonwil | I am sure its only for speaker protection |
| 18:25.44 | DocScrutinizer | on a hw basis |
| 18:25.54 | jonwil | Any battery protection stuff would be in the closed source BME blob most likely |
| 18:26.23 | DocScrutinizer | probably, but I'd hope it's a circuit in GAIA |
| 18:27.39 | DocScrutinizer | however bme *should* tell dsme or mce or whomever it may concern to throttle cpu clock to 250 max |
| 18:27.56 | DocScrutinizer | *before* max cell temp is reached |
| 18:28.34 | DocScrutinizer | to avoid hard immediate shutdown |
| 18:29.21 | DocScrutinizer | as there were reports of guys frying their cell by OC and mmenc or what's it called, I gather bme fails on that task |
| 18:29.27 | DocScrutinizer | not surprised |
| 18:29.37 | DocScrutinizer | bme seems to fail on so much |
| 18:30.03 | ruskie | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/07/05/tablet_and_ereader_owndership_statistics/ |
| 18:32.52 | DocScrutinizer | and obviously it also fails on complete system shutdown on cell overtemp, as does GAIA - if that report was true |
| 18:33.37 | DocScrutinizer | owndership? |
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| 18:36.47 | ruskie | it's el-reg... do you think they bother really? |
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| 18:38.08 | DocScrutinizer | where to download all the SDKs while they are fresh and uncensored? :-) |
| 18:38.32 | ruskie | for? |
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| 18:38.40 | DocScrutinizer | I guess I've seen a link on developer.meego.com? |
| 18:39.11 | DocScrutinizer | ruskie: ALL! I want them ALL ;-D |
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| 18:43.09 | DocScrutinizer | Qt_SDK_Lin32_offline_v1_1_2_en.run 1.1GB downloading... |
| 18:43.44 | DocScrutinizer | anything else recommended? |
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| 18:44.59 | DocScrutinizer | ETA 12..20h ;-P |
| 18:45.23 | nucce2 | Hi, I having trouble running sudo gainroot. I got rootsh installed, it may be because of the reason that I got multiboot and booting on nr 2 that is power-kernel |
| 18:45.35 | DocScrutinizer | I'm afraid I'll never dl that stuff, unless I can resume |
| 18:46.03 | nucce2 | sudo gainroot = root is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported. |
| 18:46.08 | DocScrutinizer | nucce2: unrelated |
| 18:46.18 | nucce2 | DocScrutinizer, too? |
| 18:46.31 | DocScrutinizer | nope |
| 18:46.43 | DocScrutinizer | what's your current user? ( id ) |
| 18:46.54 | nucce2 | whoami = root |
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| 18:46.58 | DocScrutinizer | :-P |
| 18:47.17 | nucce2 | well I see the irony but I cant do anything. |
| 18:47.19 | DocScrutinizer | root can't tun sudo gainroot |
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| 18:47.30 | DocScrutinizer | run* |
| 18:47.57 | nucce2 | hmm |
| 18:48.01 | DocScrutinizer | and honestly it seems a bit pointless, no? ;-) |
| 18:48.04 | nucce2 | Ok, that may be true.. ;) |
| 18:48.27 | nucce2 | Yea, I cant disagree with you there.. bah, then its the problem that kernel-config command doesnt work |
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| 18:49.09 | DocScrutinizer | try >> su - user |
| 18:49.23 | DocScrutinizer | then try again whatever it was that failed for you |
| 18:49.31 | nucce2 | ok |
| 18:50.03 | nucce2 | I cant even find the kernel-config command |
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| 18:54.05 | DocScrutinizer | might indicate it's one of the poorly configured apps that don't have a symlink from /usr/bin/foo to /opt/foopkg/bin/foo |
| 18:54.46 | DocScrutinizer | you can tell from .desktop file exec line having a full pathname to /opt/*/*/* |
| 18:55.19 | DocScrutinizer | some funny people even claimed that'd be the "right way" |
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| 18:55.46 | DocScrutinizer | I got a different notion on that |
| 18:57.59 | khertan | launchpad account reviewed ... can connect to launchpad now :) |
| 18:58.05 | khertan | still no device |
| 18:58.07 | khertan | ;) |
| 18:58.11 | khertan | but in progress |
| 18:58.50 | nucce2 | found what the problem was |
| 18:59.02 | nucce2 | thanks DocScrutinizer anyway.. ;( |
| 18:59.03 | nucce2 | ;) |
| 19:00.18 | khertan | Strange: Qemu button was enabled, but target does not match. |
| 19:00.19 | khertan | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:00.52 | hiemanshu | khertan: did you get an email? |
| 19:00.55 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: one more ^ |
| 19:01.14 | DocScrutinizer | nucce2: what was it? |
| 19:01.42 | khertan | hiemanshu, no email |
| 19:02.00 | khertan | hiemanshu, just connect to see :) |
| 19:02.21 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: + 2 more from the forum |
| 19:02.25 | khertan | hiemanshu, logout and login was require |
| 19:02.26 | hiemanshu | khertan: awesome, we just have to wait |
| 19:02.29 | hiemanshu | yup |
| 19:02.31 | khertan | hiemanshu, yep |
| 19:02.48 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: so a lot more in the same boat as ours :) |
| 19:03.03 | MohammadAG | hiemanshu, nothing here :p |
| 19:03.21 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: try logging out and back in |
| 19:04.13 | MohammadAG | doesn't matter, same |
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| 19:04.35 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: you are in the second batch, you'll have to wait till everyone else is done :P |
| 19:04.42 | hiemanshu | from the first batch |
| 19:05.30 | MohammadAG | hiemanshu, more like everyone who sent in the ID before me |
| 19:05.37 | MohammadAG | or actually applied |
| 19:05.40 | hiemanshu | yup |
| 19:05.58 | DocScrutinizer | handwaving |
| 19:06.04 | khertan | MohammadAG, indeed doesn't matter ... can't command device for the moment :) |
| 19:06.14 | khertan | w8 and see :) |
| 19:06.23 | DocScrutinizer | the guy at Nokia droped the stack op printouts and collected the papers in random order |
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| 19:07.06 | khertan | DocScrutinizer, hum ... this explain why it slow for just validating 250 account ... print all email |
| 19:07.10 | khertan | rewrite number |
| 19:07.11 | DocScrutinizer | it's a HUGE stack of printouts ;-P |
| 19:07.18 | khertan | made 3 copy for administration |
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| 19:07.44 | khertan | enter manually the id in an email for other guys |
| 19:08.33 | khertan | other guys print the email and give them to a poor new guy which enter id manually in the system |
| 19:08.39 | DocScrutinizer | khertan: we know some guys are not as swift and familiar on scripting as others ;-D |
| 19:08.59 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: dont copy my conclusion :P |
| 19:09.19 | khertan | :) |
| 19:09.47 | khertan | now i just hope it ll not be delivered by tnt |
| 19:09.59 | khertan | last tnt delivery take 5 months |
| 19:10.22 | DocScrutinizer | hell, if I had to script this with VBA and outlook, I'd probably be faster the manual way anyway X-P |
| 19:11.27 | DocScrutinizer | so better hope for manual processes over there at Nokia ;-) |
| 19:11.38 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: all you need is some xdotool magic |
| 19:12.18 | MohammadAG | I'm wondering if I should ask someone to send it to me from IL or just wait for it |
| 19:13.25 | DocScrutinizer | ponders, scratches head, mumbles xdotool and wonders some more, shudders and turns away |
| 19:14.47 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: for now *nobody* got a 'regular' device yet. Once they get shipped, it will maybe take some days til it's your turn. Then some more days for shipping |
| 19:14.55 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: ponder! |
| 19:15.40 | MohammadAG | I'll do the former then |
| 19:15.46 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: this will be your F5 holiday in your memory |
| 19:15.56 | MohammadAG | I don't do F5s |
| 19:16.08 | MohammadAG | hiemanshu does push notifications for me :P |
| 19:16.18 | DocScrutinizer | hehe |
| 19:16.53 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: hah |
| 19:17.00 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: dont like xdotool? |
| 19:17.00 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: honestly - enjoy your holiday, worry about N950 *later* |
| 19:17.14 | DocScrutinizer | xdoWHAT? |
| 19:17.30 | DocScrutinizer | ~dict xdotool |
| 19:17.39 | DocScrutinizer | same here |
| 19:17.43 | DocScrutinizer | ~botsnack |
| 19:17.43 | infobot | aw, gee, DocScrutinizer |
| 19:18.14 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: you can program to do kb and mouse input events at specifc positions on the screen |
| 19:18.22 | hiemanshu | +it |
| 19:18.49 | DocScrutinizer | aaah, I faintly remember that stuff from my win95 times |
| 19:19.45 | DocScrutinizer | never seemed to work flawlessly and a general botch |
| 19:20.36 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, probably that's how such things are done in windows world |
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| 19:23.02 | DocScrutinizer | last real memories abut redmonf stuff is a royal pita with making machine actually shut off on windows shutdown for windowsNT back in 2000 when I did XMLMaker |
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| 19:25.04 | DocScrutinizer | (XMLMaker = excel plugin http://www.textropur.de/sub/gsdc/GSDC_XMLMaker.htm) |
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| 19:28.54 | DocScrutinizer | I think that's been enough of windows for the rest of my life |
| 19:29.07 | DocScrutinizer | esp enough of VB |
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| 19:30.53 | DocScrutinizer | even back then I tried to pport XMLMaker to OpenOffice ;-P |
| 19:31.12 | DocScrutinizer | major fail XD |
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| 19:32.55 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: http://www.semicomplete.com/projects/xdotool/ |
| 19:32.59 | hiemanshu | its a linux thing :P |
| 19:33.31 | DocScrutinizer | oooh |
| 19:33.44 | DocScrutinizer | interesting. Thanks :-) |
| 19:34.15 | hiemanshu | I use it batch process my stuff on gimp :P |
| 19:34.17 | hiemanshu | +to |
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| 19:36.56 | ruskie | http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/AMD-Hondo/?kc=rss |
| 19:37.01 | ico2 | due to (I think) accidentally overwriting all the kernel modules, my n900 doesn't boot (endlessly reboots). It's basically impossible for me to download a 150meg firmware image due to my internet connection. I can extract the kernel modules from the image on a remote server and download them seperately easily enough, any thoughts on how I can get the device going enough to copy the modules somehow? or am I just going to have to wait a week for the firmware i |
| 19:37.01 | ico2 | mage to download? |
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| 19:37.49 | ruskie | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/07/05/anti_powerpoint_party/ |
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| 19:43.28 | mtnman | hello everybody |
| 19:43.36 | ShadowJK | ico2, pretty much |
| 19:45.25 | ico2 | hmmmm |
| 19:45.35 | NIN101 | hmm, it might be possible for him to use a rescue initrd and copy the modules back, or? |
| 19:45.36 | mtnman | is there a "deborphan" package available for maemo5? i've done some searching and haven't found anything yet. closest i could find was the debian package for armel arch. is that suitable to use with maemo5? |
| 19:45.46 | MohammadAG | anyone got the link to add ssh keys to gitorious? |
| 19:45.57 | ico2 | NIN101, yes, that's the hope |
| 19:46.04 | MohammadAG | I can't access it since git f'd up my account and my dashboard returns 500 |
| 19:46.54 | ico2 | NIN101, if I use flasher to load the standard kernel and an initramfs consisting of the modules, busybox and libc, I should be able to get something working perhaps? |
| 19:47.26 | frals | MohammadAG: https://gitorious.org/~USERNAME/keys |
| 19:47.42 | ico2 | although that does leave the problem of how to control the device. unless the kernel supports usb gadget serial port |
| 19:47.55 | MohammadAG | thanks frals |
| 19:47.56 | NIN101 | ico2: probably |
| 19:48.01 | ico2 | I guess I can do that with init scripts, but it'll be a bit tricky to do blind |
| 19:48.11 | NIN101 | you basically get a shell |
| 19:48.47 | NIN101 | and then it _should_ be possible to mount the rootfs of maemo and copy the modules. |
| 19:49.12 | ico2 | NIN101, is there any good way to activate a shell? or usb serial gadget or fbcon or something |
| 19:49.52 | NIN101 | http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Using_Rescue_Initrd |
| 19:51.55 | ico2 | NIN101, that should do the trick :) thanks :) |
| 19:52.14 | mtnman | !infobot |
| 19:52.19 | NIN101 | yw |
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| 19:56.45 | mtnman | is there a "deborphan" or "cruft" package available for mameo5? i have searched and not found anything yet. would a package from debian's archive for armel arch be suitable? |
| 19:59.57 | mtnman | don't all jump at once to answer my question! |
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| 20:02.14 | KMFDM | mtnman, debian's armel package might be suitable check the dependency version numbers against those in the maemo repos |
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| 20:02.50 | mtnman | KFDM: thanks. would it require a recompile or would the binary be ok? |
| 20:03.54 | KMFDM | mtnman, i THINK but don't quote me on this that it will just work if the dependencies match up |
| 20:04.26 | mtnman | KMFDM: cool, thanks! |
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| 20:10.18 | piggz | does the n9/950 support activesync/mfe? |
| 20:12.04 | mtnman | KFDM: lenny's deborphan depends on libc >=2.7-1 but maemo5 has 2.5.2-1eglibc27+0m5 |
| 20:12.28 | mtnman | oops...KDFDM ^^ |
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| 20:17.12 | Atarii | anyone here used Dbuscron? |
| 20:17.30 | DocScrutinizer | ico2: NIN101: afail the meego rescue_initrd is pretty much uuseless as it comes without proper kbd driver, without ubifs, without ntfs for maemo rootfs, pretty much without *anything* you need to do anything reasonable |
| 20:18.36 | NIN101 | hmm |
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| 20:20.24 | DocScrutinizer | so while it's a nice tool in theory, in practice however I've not heard of anybody accomplishing anything with it |
| 20:21.38 | DocScrutinizer | last user here finished recovering from dbus config edit just yesterday, by installing a full meego to eMMC, as he didn't get the job done with initrd |
| 20:24.29 | NIN101 | yes but he can not download meego because it would take a week or so as he said, therefor I suggested he should use the rescue initrd. I know it was fckd some time ago (no keyboard map etc.), but iirc I recently read that it kinda got added finally. But, just checked it now, nope :/ |
| 20:25.21 | DocScrutinizer | well, that has to be realy recently then, as jonwil failed on rescue-initrd last wee |
| 20:25.23 | DocScrutinizer | week |
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| 20:25.38 | ShadowJK | "ntfs for maemo rootfs" <- lol? |
| 20:25.48 | DocScrutinizer | whatever |
| 20:25.49 | NIN101 | DocScrutinizer yes, just a few days ago |
| 20:26.02 | Stskeeps | instead of bitching, send fucking patches |
| 20:26.03 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 20:26.17 | DocScrutinizer | who's bitching, except you? |
| 20:26.30 | DocScrutinizer | I'm stating facts |
| 20:26.31 | Stskeeps | you |
| 20:26.32 | javispedro | c'mon gentlemen |
| 20:27.13 | DocScrutinizer | while you love to bitch on me, it seems |
| 20:28.14 | javispedro | notes his cloak has finally been downgraded to "contributor" |
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| 20:29.15 | javispedro | ... ah, well, it had to happen |
| 20:29.30 | GeneralAntilles | OK, meme makers. |
| 20:29.36 | GeneralAntilles | fiferboy and I have had an excellent idea. |
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| 20:29.50 | javispedro | thinks Stskeeps is a bit sensitive to criticism |
| 20:29.56 | GeneralAntilles | A demotivated poster for the N950 |
| 20:29.58 | MohammadAG | GeneralAntilles, cool story bro |
| 20:30.05 | MohammadAG | good enough meme? :P |
| 20:30.07 | GeneralAntilles | MohammadAG, and then I found five dollars. |
| 20:30.20 | javispedro | GeneralAntilles: "n950: you are not going to have it"? |
| 20:30.21 | GeneralAntilles | For those of you who've seen Arrested Development. |
| 20:30.34 | GeneralAntilles | and are F5ing the Nokia Dev page. |
| 20:30.35 | MohammadAG | gimme gimme gimme! |
| 20:30.40 | GeneralAntilles | You see where it says "No programs." |
| 20:30.57 | GeneralAntilles | That reminds me immensely of the "No touching!" thing from Arrested Development. |
| 20:31.22 | ShadowJK | GeneralAntilles, how about a tshirt: "If you have a N950 and show it, I'll mug you" |
| 20:31.25 | GeneralAntilles | So, I need a screencap of one of the prison guards slapping the nightstick down on the table. |
| 20:32.09 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.stripedwall.com/gallery.php?dir=television/ArrDev |
| 20:32.11 | GeneralAntilles | Has the caps |
| 20:32.14 | GeneralAntilles | But |
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| 20:34.05 | javispedro | stupid amazon, ship! ship! ship! |
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| 20:34.20 | javispedro | cannot really believe I am pressing F5 more on the amazon page than the ddp page.. |
| 20:35.26 | MoonTiger | javispedro, what did you order from amazon? |
| 20:35.54 | javispedro | mostly books =) |
| 20:35.59 | MoonTiger | ahhhh |
| 20:36.10 | MoonTiger | do you have a n950 on its way too? |
| 20:36.38 | javispedro | no launchpad account |
| 20:37.00 | MohammadAG | yet |
| 20:37.04 | MohammadAG | don't forget the "yet" |
| 20:37.18 | MoonTiger | hmmmmmm |
| 20:37.29 | MoonTiger | so i am curious about the n950 / n9 thing |
| 20:37.50 | javispedro | MohammadAG: optimistic, eh? |
| 20:37.55 | MoonTiger | assuming they have more n950s as is believed when do you think they will let ppl get them? |
| 20:38.03 | MohammadAG | javispedro, always am |
| 20:38.14 | MohammadAG | ignore the time I wasn't on the list :P |
| 20:38.19 | GeneralAntilles | javispedro, ha, me too. |
| 20:38.22 | GeneralAntilles | Contributors FTW! |
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| 20:39.59 | javispedro | at least I can now go around the webos channels without feeling like an enemy spy ;) |
| 20:40.01 | javispedro | j/k |
| 20:40.24 | MySpaez | you have a palm javis? |
| 20:40.30 | MySpaez | How is it? |
| 20:40.31 | MoonTiger | or is the n9 going to be a dev-able device too? |
| 20:40.45 | deimos | I just go an email with "Product Loan Agreement" to send back signed :) |
| 20:40.51 | MySpaez | Of course mooniger |
| 20:40.59 | MoonTiger | hmmmmm ok |
| 20:41.16 | MoonTiger | so not getting a n950 isn't the end of the world then so to speak |
| 20:41.18 | DocScrutinizer | incredible, if I'd consider sending patches to every property $random somebody thinks $random software has and I know it doesn't... OhMy |
| 20:41.23 | javispedro | MySpaez: it's the most similar to maemo in hackability imho, but a step behind. |
| 20:42.03 | MoonTiger | just really wish there was an n9 with slide out landscape keyboard *sigh* |
| 20:42.21 | DocScrutinizer | "send fucking patches" pfff, I'm not even sure if that's a bug, a flaw, or a feature of rescue-initrd |
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| 20:43.21 | ShadowJK | meego doesn't use the nand for anything, so missing nand support isn't surprising |
| 20:43.25 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: you know the answer: noone that cared enough put work on it. |
| 20:43.57 | ShadowJK | It's so easy to put the uSD in your PC and fix whatever you broke :-) |
| 20:44.56 | MohammadAG | javispedro, http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=wPP045pM |
| 20:45.19 | DocScrutinizer | anyway stskeeps isn't going to motivate anybody with this way to jump in to a consulting convo |
| 20:45.26 | javispedro | MohammadAG: I think I know many of those by now :) |
| 20:45.39 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: have to agree there. |
| 20:45.44 | MohammadAG | javispedro, not all of them though :P |
| 20:47.16 | javispedro | fscking Meego netbook installer that overwrites bootloders, worse than windows. |
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| 20:47.40 | DocScrutinizer | whatever... |
| 20:47.57 | DocScrutinizer | ico2: you'll probably have to download the COMBINED image |
| 20:48.02 | DocScrutinizer | and flash that |
| 20:48.02 | javispedro | feels dejà vú |
| 20:48.24 | MohammadAG | what's ico2's problem? |
| 20:48.32 | DocScrutinizer | deleted *.ko |
| 20:48.34 | MohammadAG | adds to javispedro's dejàvú |
| 20:48.39 | MohammadAG | which kernel? |
| 20:48.45 | ico2 | DocScrutinizer, yeah :( was hoping to avoid spending days downloading the file |
| 20:48.46 | DocScrutinizer | stock? |
| 20:48.54 | ico2 | DocScrutinizer, yep |
| 20:49.06 | MohammadAG | and you never had power kernel installed? |
| 20:49.21 | DocScrutinizer | hehehehe |
| 20:49.29 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: you're brilliant |
| 20:49.41 | ico2 | MohammadAG, nope |
| 20:49.46 | MohammadAG | :/ |
| 20:49.47 | DocScrutinizer | cyal8r |
| 20:50.20 | MohammadAG | ico2, prefer downloading 150ish MBs or 400MBs without losing anything? |
| 20:50.54 | ico2 | would prefer not to lose anything, if possible |
| 20:51.57 | MohammadAG | got a microSD? if so what size? |
| 20:52.16 | ico2 | nope, don't have one |
| 20:53.20 | ico2 | I have a backup from a month or two ago, so it wouldn't be a tragedy if I lost the data. not ideal. What am I looking at losing if I flash the standard firmware image? |
| 20:54.36 | MohammadAG | apps and modifications on rootfs |
| 20:54.40 | MohammadAG | the rest should stay |
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| 20:55.14 | ico2 | damn net died, back now |
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| 20:55.22 | DocScrutinizer | basically nothing, just the restore will download all the apps again you had installed, so until that's accomplished as well, you'll have none of the apps that were installed before |
| 20:55.24 | ico2 | I have a backup from a month or two ago, so it wouldn't be a tragedy if I lost the data. not ideal. What am I looking at losing if I flash the standard firmware image? |
| 20:55.30 | MohammadAG | <MohammadAG> apps and modifications on rootfs |
| 20:55.33 | MohammadAG | <MohammadAG> the rest should stay |
| 20:55.38 | ico2 | ah |
| 20:55.41 | ico2 | that's fine then |
| 20:55.57 | ico2 | the download will take forever, but other than that it's ok |
| 20:56.04 | ico2 | I'll probably just do that then |
| 20:56.29 | DocScrutinizer | good luck and good bandwidth |
| 20:56.38 | GeneralAntilles | http://thousandsparrows.com/n950.jpg |
| 20:56.41 | ico2 | thanks |
| 20:56.56 | ico2 | dialup :( |
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| 20:57.33 | ico2 | ironically, I was trying to fix mobilehotspot to make use of the phone's net when I broke it, lol |
| 20:57.57 | ico2 | anyway, I'll stop complaining and get to downloading that file |
| 20:58.11 | ico2 | thanks for all the help and advice guys :) |
| 20:58.26 | DocScrutinizer | ooh, so after you got the COMBINED image, your other apps get fast access to the internet then - good |
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| 20:58.57 | DocScrutinizer | s/your/your download of/ |
| 20:59.14 | DocScrutinizer | ico2: yw |
| 20:59.42 | ico2 | yep :) (assuming I can manage to position the phone in the one corner of the house that gets a 3g signal for long enough ;)) |
| 21:00.02 | ico2 | right, i'm off now, cheers again all |
| 21:00.16 | MohammadAG | time to patch that initrd |
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| 21:00.24 | MohammadAG | seems like many users need to use it |
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| 21:05.20 | javispedro | wtf |
| 21:05.44 | RST38h | ? |
| 21:05.44 | javispedro | meego netbook thinks I have an ssd for some reason. |
| 21:05.56 | NIN101 | wonders how the initrd deals with watchdogs |
| 21:06.06 | RST38h | it is letting you know it istime for an upgrade |
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| 21:07.43 | vdv | hi all |
| 21:08.04 | vdv | is there any pdf reader for maemo which supports reflowing documents? |
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| 21:25.22 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, latest initrd has keymaps working |
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| 21:31.16 | vdv | how can i check which firmware version is currently installed on my n900? |
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| 21:31.48 | javispedro | Settings -> About my device. |
| 21:31.49 | ShadowJK | settings - about product |
| 21:31.53 | ShadowJK | or that |
| 21:31.59 | keesj | I really want a n900-updated-hardware |
| 21:32.14 | DocScrutinizer51 | MohammadAG: wow |
| 21:32.19 | vdv | but there's not written whether it's PR1.3 or not |
| 21:32.33 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer51, options not working though for some reason |
| 21:32.35 | vdv | Version: 10.2010.19-1 |
| 21:32.44 | Noobmonk3y | evening alls :) - random linux nooby question! :) - just installed linux (again) then dloaded the qt sdk.run file.... double clicking doesnt do anything - do i need to use terminal etc? |
| 21:32.50 | DocScrutinizer51 | options? |
| 21:32.58 | javispedro | vdv: that's pr 1.2 iirc. |
| 21:33.06 | MohammadAG | Noobmonk3y, chmod +x and ./filename here |
| 21:33.08 | ShadowJK | Noobmonk3y, terminal, "chmod +x qtsdk.run", "./qtsdk.run" |
| 21:33.15 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, C/H/M/N etc |
| 21:33.19 | MohammadAG | they're all ignored |
| 21:33.22 | DocScrutinizer51 | ooh |
| 21:33.33 | Noobmonk3y | bahhh now i need to find terminal, wtf is up with the seriously crappy applications menu and no easily visible task menu? |
| 21:33.46 | MohammadAG | but the keymap works |
| 21:33.47 | Corsac | Alt-f2? |
| 21:34.02 | MohammadAG | Noobmonk3y, Ubuntu? |
| 21:34.03 | Noobmonk3y | lol all that does is display the shit menu! |
| 21:34.05 | Noobmonk3y | yeah :( |
| 21:34.23 | Noobmonk3y | i'd slike to slap it with a trout... might make it easier to use? :) |
| 21:34.23 | DocScrutinizer51 | MohammadAG: ubi support? |
| 21:34.24 | Corsac | maybe you're not qualified to use ubuntu |
| 21:34.37 | Noobmonk3y | Corsac, .... how does ubuntu want to get new users? :P lol |
| 21:35.08 | Corsac | maybe you're not the kind of user they want? |
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| 21:35.32 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer51, can't check if options are ignored |
| 21:35.37 | MohammadAG | but the source references ubifs |
| 21:35.42 | Noobmonk3y | lol corsac |
| 21:35.52 | DocScrutinizer51 | I *hope* I'm not the kind of user buntkuh wants |
| 21:35.59 | MohammadAG | terminal is gnome-terminal |
| 21:36.04 | Noobmonk3y | ok, stupid, question if i minimize something in windows, i can see it on the taskbar.... it just vanishes on ubuntu |
| 21:36.15 | NIN101 | http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Using_Rescue_Initrd This here has an ubifs.ko |
| 21:36.26 | MohammadAG | Noobmonk3y, don't use Unity |
| 21:36.30 | Noobmonk3y | ohhhhhhhhhh |
| 21:36.35 | Noobmonk3y | frals warned me about this crap! |
| 21:36.42 | Noobmonk3y | but i didnt see any option to turn it off :) |
| 21:36.46 | MohammadAG | log out |
| 21:36.50 | MohammadAG | click your username |
| 21:36.59 | MohammadAG | look at the bottom of the screen, session type or something |
| 21:37.06 | MohammadAG | pick ubuntu classic, log back in |
| 21:37.10 | Noobmonk3y | ooo ok, yay! will go try! :) :) |
| 21:37.18 | MohammadAG | NIN101, lacks some stuff to actually work |
| 21:37.23 | NIN101 | yes. |
| 21:37.24 | MohammadAG | /ban Noobmonk3y |
| 21:37.24 | MohammadAG | :P |
| 21:37.39 | Corsac | if he didn't find that by himself, maybe he deserves unity |
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| 21:39.39 | Noobmonk3y | ahhhh this is better! soooo soooo much better! |
| 21:39.48 | Noobmonk3y | thank you very very much MohammadAG :) :) |
| 21:39.56 | Noobmonk3y | right now i can actually get on with stuff! |
| 21:40.03 | DocScrutinizer51 | anyway being able to get digits and - and / and = on a cmdline is a good step forward for rescueinitrd |
| 21:41.40 | DocScrutinizer51 | now make mounting ubi0 possible and the thing starts to become a useful tool |
| 21:42.20 | Noobmonk3y | any recommendations on where, where not to install the qtsdk? |
| 21:42.27 | Noobmonk3y | ie not in home , or must be in home blah blah |
| 21:42.46 | Corsac | try /dev/shm/ |
| 21:43.00 | MohammadAG | run the script as user, not root |
| 21:43.04 | DocScrutinizer51 | ot anywhere where you got less than 3GB free |
| 21:43.06 | Noobmonk3y | Corsac, after your last comments, do i take you seriously or not? |
| 21:43.07 | NIN101 | I ask myself why nobody created a working one yet in all the years. |
| 21:44.03 | DocScrutinizer51 | NIN101: initrd? |
| 21:44.08 | NIN101 | yes |
| 21:45.15 | DocScrutinizer51 | meego guys don't need it ;-) |
| 21:46.33 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer51, 3GBs |
| 21:46.34 | MohammadAG | ? |
| 21:46.42 | MySpaez | heh |
| 21:46.48 | MohammadAG | you sure about that? |
| 21:46.56 | MohammadAG | 5.3GQtSDK |
| 21:48.50 | NIN101 | now the meego kernel boots microsd through a magical way, it is build with CONFIG_CMDLINE="root=/dev/mmcblk0p1 bla bla bla". So, if I am understand this right, for NOLO mmcblk0* is the microsd, right? |
| 21:49.03 | MohammadAG | yes |
| 21:49.09 | NIN101 | ok, thx |
| 21:49.17 | MohammadAG | naming is a bit stupid |
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| 21:49.33 | MohammadAG | with an eMMC and uSD in, mmcblk0 is the uSD, 1 is the eMMC |
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| 21:49.42 | MohammadAG | without a uSD, mmcblk0 is the eMMC |
| 21:50.57 | MySpaez | is there a wallet style keyboard for n9? |
| 21:51.11 | macmaN | MySpaez: what dat iz? |
| 21:52.03 | MySpaez | A leather or plastic case with fold-out keyboard |
| 21:52.16 | MySpaez | They make em for tablets |
| 21:52.24 | cehteh | bluetooth? |
| 21:52.35 | MySpaez | Ya |
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| 22:01.55 | macmaN | ahh okey, you meant hw device |
| 22:02.04 | macmaN | i thought it mightve been a vkb |
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| 22:39.24 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: (3GB) obviously I'm not sure - download of 1.1GB finished some minutes ago |
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| 22:41.24 | DocScrutinizer | MySpaez: the problem frequently is the BT coonection which you can'T keep esablished all the time or your battery will drain fairly fast |
| 22:43.57 | MySpaez | im sad for the maemo |
| 22:44.34 | MySpaez | wish i could have made the 770 popular like iphone |
| 22:44.42 | MySpaez | i tried |
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| 22:53.54 | timeless | anyone here familiar w/ MGCP or H.248/Megaco ? |
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| 23:09.22 | alterego | held an N950 today |
| 23:09.24 | alterego | woo! |
| 23:13.41 | alterego | I was offered one too, but had to turn it down. |
| 23:13.47 | alterego | is sad :) |
| 23:13.54 | GeneralAntilles | Why? |
| 23:14.03 | GeneralAntilles | Just offer your Community device to the next person in line. |
| 23:17.38 | javispedro | abill_uk. |
| 23:18.15 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 23:19.45 | DocScrutinizer | *COUGH* |
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| 23:23.40 | merlin1991 | alterego: me me me me wants a n950 ;) |
| 23:26.01 | DocScrutinizer | searches for the unicode page for musical notes |
| 23:27.37 | DocScrutinizer | offers chanson, hooligan style, and child song melody for merlin1991 |
| 23:27.43 | cehteh | DocScrutinizer: U+1D100 ff |
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| 23:28.21 | Termana | good morning |
| 23:28.32 | DocScrutinizer | ~trout Termana |
| 23:28.32 | infobot | ACTION slaps Termana around a bit with a large trout! |
| 23:29.21 | cehteh | ðð |
| 23:29.26 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fT2GLdWrqLM just replace hulahoop with n950 ;) |
| 23:30.21 | DocScrutinizer | >> Leider ist dieses Video in Deutschland nicht verfügbar, da es Musik enthalten könnte, für die die GEMA die erforderlichen Musikrechte nicht eingeräumt hat. Das tut uns leid.<< |
| 23:30.29 | merlin1991 | ffs |
| 23:30.36 | Termana | DocScrutinizer, what was that for? :p |
| 23:31.10 | DocScrutinizer | for highlighting me about a completely nonsensical "joerg" issue some 18h ago :-) |
| 23:31.38 | DocScrutinizer | also for CTCP-VERSIONing me |
| 23:31.44 | nox- | seems you have memory like an elephant :) |
| 23:32.20 | Termana | DocScrutinizer, lol, I saw that hiemanshu said something to you about it. No sense of humour it seems :p |
| 23:32.30 | DocScrutinizer | elephants bow down in awe |
| 23:34.31 | DocScrutinizer | cehteh: damn, Konversation fails on that one - unusual |
| 23:34.47 | cehteh | :P |
| 23:34.55 | DocScrutinizer | cehteh: probably not in my font pool |
| 23:37.40 | DocScrutinizer | Termana: my sense of humour for sure is weird, but actually the trout was a joke |
| 23:37.40 | javispedro | mwahaha, success. |
| 23:37.40 | Termana | I know :p |
| 23:37.41 | javispedro | lcuk: there? |
| 23:37.52 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: eh? |
| 23:38.26 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: my multitouch stuff. |
| 23:38.32 | DocScrutinizer | \o/ |
| 23:38.36 | DocScrutinizer | congrats |
| 23:38.50 | javispedro | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wj2Jeo4YUkk |
| 23:38.59 | DocScrutinizer | with #define MAXFINGERS 10 ? |
| 23:39.02 | javispedro | the boobies test! |
| 23:39.50 | javispedro | yes, it's now called SDL_MAXMOUSE, and it's 10 =) |
| 23:40.18 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: now WTF is THIS? |
| 23:40.33 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk's optical input? |
| 23:40.44 | javispedro | no, way simpler. |
| 23:40.45 | DocScrutinizer | invar |
| 23:40.59 | javispedro | I'm just making standard c-ts MT available to sdl apps. |
| 23:41.37 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rV7nceF0sio maybe gema isn't as evil on this one |
| 23:41.40 | DocScrutinizer | it damn looks like dunno a plain sheet of paper or .... (me is puzzled) |
| 23:42.09 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: because it's just the library. Now it's waiting for someone to put the game on it ;) |
| 23:42.24 | MohammadAG | alterego, I hate you |
| 23:42.36 | MohammadAG | you could've sent it to me |
| 23:42.39 | MohammadAG | and I'd give my N950 to someone else |
| 23:42.52 | merlin1991 | MohammadAG: you're going to get one / got one? |
| 23:42.54 | javispedro | either way, the video was for lcuk ;) |
| 23:43.09 | MohammadAG | merlin1991, yes, but I'm leaving IL on Sunday |
| 23:43.18 | DocScrutinizer | aaaah spotted the "Lenovo" writing |
| 23:43.21 | MohammadAG | so I need someone to ship it to me |
| 23:43.41 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: yes, testing on it while waiting for N950.. |
| 23:43.47 | MohammadAG | luckily I found the perfect iPhone user who's guaranteed not to take a Nokia |
| 23:43.57 | javispedro | cause while not the same driver both seem to use the same reporting style. |
| 23:44.08 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: thought almost that's a plain sheet of white paper |
| 23:44.18 | javispedro | sssht ;P |
| 23:44.34 | javispedro | ok, ok, I'll fill more of the description. |
| 23:48.44 | MohammadAG | devel-su: su tool adapted to MeeGo 1.2 Harmattan platform security |
| 23:48.54 | MohammadAG | apparently that's the equivalent of gainroot |
| 23:49.27 | javispedro | been reading about it a bit, apparently it also does some tricks with aegis capabilities |
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| 23:50.06 | DocScrutinizer | ~aegis |
| 23:50.06 | infobot | aegis is, like, http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Harmattan:Developer_Library/Developing_for_Harmattan/Harmattan_security/Security_guide, or "The purpose of this framework is: ... to make sure that the platform meets the requirements set by third party software that requires a safe execution environment.", or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Computing#Criticism |
| 23:50.41 | DocScrutinizer | barks like one of Pavlov's dogs |
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| 23:51.21 | DocScrutinizer | ~bark |
| 23:51.21 | infobot | ACTION barks, like a rabid dog. |
| 23:52.28 | DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: yes, that one worked, alas that voice wouldn't get decoded by my audio processor even if it were plain German |
| 23:52.54 | javispedro | I have to say either that this XInput2 MT API looked good right until I realized that since it mostly just bypasses kernel data, well, coordinates are physical but normalized 0 ... 1 no matter what the resolution, your window size, or your window position is. |
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| 23:53.16 | javispedro | which, obviously, sucks, unless your application is a fullscreen one on a single-window window manager (like the harmattan use case) |
| 23:53.35 | MohammadAG | # dpkg -i package_name.deb |
| 23:53.38 | MohammadAG | Aegis rejecting package_name.deb: package 'package_name' already installed from 'source_name' -- not replacing it from unknown origin |
| 23:53.40 | MohammadAG | ooh fun |
| 23:53.41 | SpeedEvil | You mean you have to scale for your window size? |
| 23:53.48 | javispedro | SpeedEvil: yep. |
| 23:53.48 | MohammadAG | makes a CSSU harder |
| 23:53.52 | SpeedEvil | Eww |
| 23:53.53 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: MUHAHAHA |
| 23:54.15 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: even worse: trim |
| 23:54.35 | SpeedEvil | oh |
| 23:54.37 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
| 23:55.13 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: hail Aegis |
| 23:55.45 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, apparently you have to have an aegis file under debian/ which shows what your app needs to access |
| 23:55.51 | MohammadAG | e.g cellular modem, location etc |
| 23:55.54 | javispedro | I was thinking how Qt does the scaling when I realized that it doesn't need to. After all, meegotouch qt apps always run fullscreen... |
| 23:56.15 | DocScrutinizer | bounces up and down the room like a rubber ball, laughing evilly and shouting "AEGIS" "AEGIS" |
| 23:56.33 | javispedro | MohammadAG: it's autogenerated from function calls if meegotouch app |
| 23:56.44 | javispedro | and I think they made something for qml |
| 23:56.49 | MohammadAG | who uses MTF? it's deprecated in 1.3 |
| 23:56.57 | javispedro | obviously, the rest of us are forced to learn the abomination. |
| 23:57.03 | MohammadAG | anyway, interesting(?) read http://library.developer.nokia.com/index.jsp?topic=/MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_API/html/guide/html/Developer_Library_Developing_for_Harmattan_Harmattan_security_6cbe.html |
| 23:58.02 | DocScrutinizer | idly wonders how much of an effort it'd be to NUKE AEGIS for good |
| 23:58.59 | DocScrutinizer | CSSU will flourish, we need replacements for all aegis-locked apps |
| 23:59.16 | javispedro | now, I at least think that this part of aegis is the good one |
| 23:59.46 | javispedro | this is the one that does app isolation and no "any app can delete all your contacts" |
| 23:59.54 | DocScrutinizer | Ithink aegis isn't handleable, like a can of trinitroglycerine |
