| 00:02.27 | Scifi | Did anyone manage to install both FREMANTLE_* and HARMATTAN_* targets in a single Scratchbox environment? |
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| 00:03.15 | MohammadAG | javispedro, and based on his notes, me |
| 00:03.48 | javispedro | "someone" told me there should now be a transcription of a manual harmattan sbox install somewhere in harmattan-dev |
| 00:04.32 | MohammadAG | who's this "dimitri" everyone's talking about on tmo? |
| 00:04.45 | javispedro | found it -- http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Harmattan:Platform_Guide/Troubleshooting_Harmattan_Platform_SDK/Installing_Harmattan_Platform_SDK_manuallyhttp://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Harmattan:Platform_Guide/Troubleshooting_Harmattan_Platform_SDK/Installing_Harmattan_Platform_SDK_manually |
| 00:04.48 | javispedro | oops. |
| 00:04.52 | javispedro | correct URL is http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Harmattan:Platform_Guide/Troubleshooting_Harmattan_Platform_SDK/Installing_Harmattan_Platform_SDK_manually |
| 00:05.25 | javispedro | MohammadAG: i believe it's this guy |
| 00:05.26 | javispedro | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZ8UVHGAzfs |
| 00:05.58 | javispedro | (though I've not seen which context you're talking about) |
| 00:06.45 | MohammadAG | lol wtf |
| 00:07.00 | MohammadAG | what's the original video? |
| 00:07.33 | javispedro | dunno |
| 00:07.57 | javispedro | I might ask for translation on monday if I remember :D |
| 00:08.11 | MohammadAG | god youtube comments are lulz |
| 00:08.11 | MohammadAG | "Processor? HDMI output? Can anyone tell me whether this has those features or not?" |
| 00:08.22 | MohammadAG | thinking of replying "No, it runs without a processor" |
| 00:08.30 | nox- | hahaha |
| 00:08.40 | Scifi | javispedro: Thanks for the URL. Will try that. I have FREMANTLE targets installed on Ubuntu amd64 (forced i386 install as per maemo.org wiki). Now the new scratchbox-core version (amd64) is conflicting with the old version (i386) |
| 00:08.55 | javispedro | Scifi: keep the i386 version |
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| 00:09.04 | javispedro | Scifi: I mean, upgrade, but upgrade to the i386 one. |
| 00:09.34 | Scifi | javispedro: OK, then just install the HARMATTAN targets on top right? |
| 00:09.36 | javispedro | if you ever rm -rf /scratchbox, reinstall the amd64 though ;) |
| 00:09.46 | javispedro | Scifi: after upgrading sbox, yes. |
| 00:10.35 | MohammadAG | I wonder why Nokia made the Jessie's girl ad for the N950 |
| 00:10.38 | MohammadAG | they never used it |
| 00:10.54 | nox- | elop killed n950? |
| 00:11.07 | javispedro | the bastard |
| 00:11.35 | Scifi | javispedro: That was my intention. I took a backup (and VBox snapshot) in any case. So now I have scratchbox upgraded to latest amd64 + HARMATTAN targets installed. How do I get Fremantle on this? |
| 00:11.50 | MohammadAG | and I wonder why they changed the colour, it was macbook-ish at the start afaik |
| 00:12.15 | javispedro | Scifi: so, now follow the fremantle manual install :) |
| 00:13.34 | javispedro | Scifi: you just need to install the packages that you do not have already installed from harmattan, this includes all the toolchains. |
| 00:13.41 | javispedro | Scifi: and unpack the rootstraps |
| 00:15.07 | javispedro | MohammadAG: mass public = apple-like. developers = ugly |
| 00:15.18 | javispedro | j/k ;) |
| 00:16.43 | Scifi | javispedro: Error is "Unable to locate package scratchbox-toolchain-cs2007q3-glibc2.5-arm7". I noticed that the package repository for fremantle and harmattan are different. Can/Should I use both in sources.list? |
| 00:16.55 | MohammadAG | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=74544 the last paragraph is umm, random? :P |
| 00:17.15 | javispedro | Scifi: I don't use debian. I suggest you don't put the older repo in sources.list but get the required apophis packages manually |
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| 00:18.03 | Scifi | javispedro: ok. Will try to find the .debs then |
| 00:18.46 | javispedro | MohammadAG: do you remember if Jaffa said anything about emmc size in his n950? |
| 00:19.16 | javispedro | well, anyone :) |
| 00:19.49 | MohammadAG | javispedro, 64GBs in old revisions, 16GBs in current ones |
| 00:20.11 | javispedro | 16 GiB and no sd slot :\ |
| 00:20.43 | Scifi | MohammagAG: Does N950 (newer ones) have pentaband WCDMA? |
| 00:21.34 | javispedro | little playing area for partitions |
| 00:22.57 | MohammadAG | Scifi, not sure, don't have one :) |
| 00:22.58 | MohammadAG | check FCC |
| 00:26.16 | DocScrutinizer | Scifi: yes |
| 00:26.55 | Scifi | DocScrutinizer: Thanks. |
| 00:28.00 | Scifi | IMO The easiest way for Nokia to get back into US Smartpohone market is shout that they have pentaband phones, Now |
| 00:29.22 | ieatlint | that won't help |
| 00:29.40 | ieatlint | the average customer here doesn't understand what that means at all |
| 00:30.29 | ieatlint | and considering that the two gsm/umts carriers in the US are about to become a single carrier, it blurs the explanation even more |
| 00:33.56 | Scifi | Ahh the merger. If that gets through there is no stopping AT&T. I meant those ppl who hate early termination fees, increased data charges for discounted phones and crippled OS with no updates might love an Unlocked smartphone which can be used on both AT&T and T-Mobile |
| 00:35.12 | ieatlint | yeah, that basically where nokia has been targetting... and calling it a niche market is the kindest way to describe who they're targeting |
| 00:37.02 | Scifi | Somehow I felt they didn't even try to market their products in US. It's like they just gave up without even trying. |
| 00:37.50 | ieatlint | eh... the only way for nokia to get into the US market is to play the same game every other manufacturer plays |
| 00:38.14 | ieatlint | apple is the only one who can dictate terms to carriers here |
| 00:39.02 | ieatlint | which is why i believe the nokia astound (c7) is their only smartphone with wide distribution |
| 00:40.22 | Scifi | Thats painfully true reg Apple. Although I feel happy that AT&T is at the receiving end of the stick sometimes. |
| 00:41.51 | ieatlint | and for better or worse, the att/tmo merger will happen |
| 00:42.18 | ieatlint | which means that nokia pentaband phone will (in theory) have awesome service, connecting to the 3g towers of both carriers |
| 00:42.29 | Scifi | You are right about the carriers though. WP7 won't help Nokia unless they tie-up with carriers which means just suck it up to their conditions |
| 00:43.05 | ieatlint | i'd guess adopting wp7 is part of their intentions with that.. walk in with a known OS, and they'll have a lot less convincing to do |
| 00:43.45 | Scifi | I thought AT&T said they will use T-Mobile 3G freq for LTE expansion. So (after x yrs may be) still AT&T will use different 3G freq than Europe/Asia. Isn't that correct? |
| 00:44.51 | ieatlint | i'm not sure if att has announced such intentions, but both att and tmo's 3g frequencies differ from europe/asia |
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| 00:45.18 | ieatlint | and yeah, LTE is why the merger will go through... neither carrier is able to put an LTE network together on their own |
| 00:48.10 | Scifi | T-Mobile's 1700/2100 bands match with Europe/Asia. Thats why N900 etc. was able to use 3G on T-Mobile. AT&T is different though |
| 00:48.50 | ieatlint | no, tmobile's are different |
| 00:49.17 | ieatlint | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UMTS_frequency_bands#UMTS-FDD |
| 00:49.20 | ShadowJK | europe is 900 + 2100. |
| 00:49.33 | ieatlint | tmo-us is IV on that list |
| 00:49.39 | ShadowJK | tmobile requires both 1700 and 2100 |
| 00:50.15 | ieatlint | europe is 1900/2100 i thought |
| 00:51.11 | ieatlint | meh, they're different anyway |
| 00:51.45 | ieatlint | but pretty much every 3g phone sold in the US supports the european 3g frequencies, and then either tmobile-us or att frequencies |
| 00:51.53 | ieatlint | only nokia has phones that support all 3 |
| 00:52.30 | ieatlint | see, this is why it's a bad marketing tactic, it's just gets fucking confusing, and to the public at large, it's indecipherable |
| 00:52.41 | ieatlint | (still, i love the pentaband modem :) |
| 00:53.28 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: WTF?! that's one cuckoo arab :-P |
| 00:54.12 | Scifi | Thats true (confusion). I just dream they'll use the merger to match the frequency bands with rest of the world. But I know that won't happen |
| 00:54.50 | Scifi | And pentaband rocks :) |
| 00:56.29 | DocScrutinizer | as if there weren't enough really decent USB fix howtos on tmo |
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| 01:02.45 | Macer | hm |
| 01:02.50 | MohammadAG | I wonder if them N950s were shipped |
| 01:02.59 | Macer | is a t6 screwdriver a pretty standard size? |
| 01:03.14 | Macer | i wanted to open my n900 and try to fix the usb port |
| 01:03.31 | MohammadAG | yes, it's standard |
| 01:05.38 | Scifi | MohammadAG: Did you get the launchpad confirmation? |
| 01:05.46 | Macer | ok so just a really small screwdriver? |
| 01:05.59 | MohammadAG | yes, torx head |
| 01:06.03 | Macer | do i need an opening tool to unclip it? |
| 01:06.07 | MohammadAG | Scifi, nope, no one did |
| 01:06.28 | MohammadAG | Macer, a small - screwdriver will do |
| 01:06.33 | MohammadAG | but you need a torx t6 |
| 01:06.58 | Macer | hm. is there an actual kit i can get? |
| 01:07.19 | Macer | a repair toolkit online or something? |
| 01:07.28 | Macer | i need to replace the keypad too |
| 01:07.37 | Macer | just the plastic keys part.. it is faded |
| 01:07.45 | MohammadAG | no need, just get a T6 and a - screwdriver |
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| 01:08.04 | Macer | the screwdriver wont mess the plastic up ? |
| 01:08.23 | Macer | or scratch something? |
| 01:08.36 | cehteh | eh? |
| 01:08.46 | Macer | i dont want to gouge the thing |
| 01:08.50 | Macer | :-) |
| 01:08.55 | cehteh | screwdriver is for the screws |
| 01:09.03 | Macer | lnao |
| 01:09.16 | Macer | they can pry as well |
| 01:10.00 | MohammadAG | no, there will be enough space to put it under the plastic |
| 01:10.16 | MohammadAG | actually you don't need the plastic, a nail might be fine |
| 01:10.34 | MohammadAG | s/plastic/screwdriver/ |
| 01:10.57 | Macer | ok thanks |
| 01:10.58 | Macer | i will grab a t6 if i can find one |
| 01:10.58 | Macer | maybe radio shack |
| 01:11.23 | ieatlint | assuming qgil is out in california, then it's 6pm on the friday before a holiday weekend |
| 01:11.43 | ieatlint | and we're likely all waiting until tuesday for more movement |
| 01:12.15 | Macer | MohammadAG: thanks |
| 01:12.22 | Macer | this g2 is driving me nuts |
| 01:12.29 | Macer | i want my n900 back! |
| 01:13.04 | Macer | I will grab the screwdriver. hopefully it is a simple superglue/epoxy fix |
| 01:13.30 | Macer | put some cement on it to keep it in place |
| 01:16.20 | DocScrutinizer | Macer: forget it |
| 01:16.46 | DocScrutinizer | neither superglue nor any "simple fix" will make you happy |
| 01:16.57 | Scifi | ieatlint: I hope Quim doesn't have to take care of the launchpad as well. He is already overloaded. |
| 01:17.19 | DocScrutinizer | find aomebody who knows to solder, and ideally already has the tools needed |
| 01:17.21 | ieatlint | i'd guess he has to give a list of names to someone at forum nokia |
| 01:18.03 | DocScrutinizer | I hope he already did |
| 01:18.08 | ieatlint | and then a list of everyone's AID to put for the device distribution section of launchpad |
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| 01:19.25 | ieatlint | i suspect it'll be at least a week before we have them |
| 01:20.00 | MohammadAG | how many users were accepted? |
| 01:20.26 | DocScrutinizer | 232 or sth? |
| 01:20.47 | trx | 69 still waiting for 18 devices |
| 01:20.55 | trx | i think.. |
| 01:20.57 | ieatlint | yeah, but there is some complication since quim also said several of those accepted ended up getting devices by other means |
| 01:21.08 | ieatlint | unless i misunderstood |
| 01:21.25 | DocScrutinizer | maybe |
| 01:21.30 | Scifi | The AID is what the Dev Launchpad ppl need i guess. They have all the details with that ID. Week is fine. Some ppl said they had to wait for months to get launchpad confirmation (this was before N950 dev program). |
| 01:21.51 | DocScrutinizer | I'm feeling sorry for those still without any decision about their case |
| 01:22.03 | trx | DocScrutinizer like me :| |
| 01:22.18 | ieatlint | yeah, launchpad got weird last february when it was announced that all launchpad members would get a free e7, and were promised a free wp7 "as soon as they become available" |
| 01:22.24 | ieatlint | so everyone suddenly joined |
| 01:23.01 | ieatlint | and they seemed to just ignore all the applications.. they sent me an email in march telling me that if i knew anyone who worked for nokia, to ask them to expidite my application |
| 01:23.19 | DocScrutinizer | hah, and me did the number with the red nose, and contacted support about it ;-P |
| 01:23.38 | ieatlint | so after a month of waiting, i get that email, proceed to email a nokia employee, and within 12h i had my launchpad membership |
| 01:24.26 | GeneralAntilles | Ugh, I don't want ot wait out the weekend. |
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| 01:25.21 | ieatlint | i'm on a business trip all next week, so i'm pretty indifferent, haha :P |
| 01:25.47 | DocScrutinizer | weekend? isn't there window-virus day, err Independence day ? |
| 01:26.04 | Scifi | Yea monday. So long weekend in US |
| 01:26.21 | jonwil | Time to finish libsystemui_tklock.so |
| 01:26.43 | jonwil | I mean cloning libsystemuiplugin_tklock.so |
| 01:26.49 | ieatlint | yes, but if a nokia employee in finland handles the launchpad side of things, there may be no delay |
| 01:27.26 | cehteh | DocScrutinizer: is there any way to read out whats the voltage on the usb/charge port by i2c or something like that? ...bq27200.sh reports battery/post voltage regulation right? |
| 01:27.27 | DocScrutinizer | makes mental post-it note to find out about fireworks anywhere around, on monday. Probably there are still some US troops left over |
| 01:27.42 | DocScrutinizer | cehteh: right |
| 01:28.03 | Scifi | ieatlint - If they worked efficiently, atleast some of the people in the first batch would have got some confirmation :) |
| 01:28.08 | DocScrutinizer | bq24150 has a certain notion about what's on USB |
| 01:28.17 | ieatlint | Scifi: this is nokia we're talking about |
| 01:28.25 | Scifi | :) |
| 01:28.47 | DocScrutinizer | 1707 phy has an even finer grained idea about VBUS voltage |
| 01:29.06 | DocScrutinizer | but hard to read out ;-) |
| 01:29.47 | DocScrutinizer | twl4030 gaia also has a VBUS 1/0 flag, rachable via /sys |
| 01:30.51 | luke-jr | HEY DOC |
| 01:30.55 | DocScrutinizer | cehteh: but no way to actually read out a voltage on a continuous scale |
| 01:31.24 | DocScrutinizer | hey luke-jr |
| 01:31.36 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: hear of any N900 successors yet? |
| 01:31.45 | luke-jr | (N950 doesn't count, it's the same generation specs) |
| 01:31.48 | DocScrutinizer | cehteh: what info do you need exactly? |
| 01:32.16 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: nope, nothing new here |
| 01:32.21 | luke-jr | :< |
| 01:32.33 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: i get the feeling handheld computing will die with Nokia like it once died with Sharp |
| 01:32.42 | luke-jr | and it'll be 5 years before the next upgrade |
| 01:33.23 | DocScrutinizer | I'm fine with 5 years, just will get me a 3rd N900 then |
| 01:33.47 | Macer | DocScrutinizer: i will see |
| 01:33.59 | Macer | worst case is i ebay a new n900 |
| 01:34.59 | DocScrutinizer | Macer: setting lego blocks on fire is way cheaper a fun action than trying to fix N900 USB the arab terrorist way |
| 01:35.06 | ShadowJK | I'd say 950 is upgrade, it adresses N900's weakest spot by quadrupling ram |
| 01:35.12 | cehteh | DocScrutinizer: just VBUS (if thats the voltage while charging) |
| 01:35.30 | Macer | DocScrutinizer: hahahahaha |
| 01:35.42 | DocScrutinizer | cehteh: there's a sysnode that tells of there's VBUS or not |
| 01:35.43 | Macer | had one break on you? |
| 01:35.58 | cehteh | DocScrutinizer: i mean the voltage not if its present or not :) |
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| 01:36.13 | DocScrutinizer | you can not get the voltage |
| 01:36.17 | cehteh | ok |
| 01:36.26 | cehteh | somehow i guessed that :P |
| 01:36.37 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, as it's basically meaningless |
| 01:37.11 | Macer | ShadowJK: and making a stronger usb port? |
| 01:37.20 | DocScrutinizer | there are certain functional/logical thresholds of VBUS voltage, and those are detectable |
| 01:37.26 | ShadowJK | usb port probably still sucks |
| 01:37.29 | Macer | what does the n950 use to charge? the usb port as well? |
| 01:37.47 | MohammadAG | afaik yes, no 2mm charger |
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| 01:38.08 | cehteh | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:38.19 | DocScrutinizer | allegedly N9's USB us so rock solid you need to tear off a part of case to break it |
| 01:38.51 | DocScrutinizer | no info yet about N950 (though who does really care, as it's not a retail device anyway) |
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| 01:39.16 | ShadowJK | Macer, it'd be typical nokia style. N810: "can we have a bit bigger screen?" -> N900 smaller screen. N900: "can we have stronger usb port?": N9/N950: non replaceable battery to make sure you lose your data once device ejects usb port |
| 01:39.21 | ShadowJK | ;) |
| 01:39.29 | GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer, yes, there are lots of troops left over there, unfortunetaly. |
| 01:39.43 | Macer | ShadowJK: HAHAHA! |
| 01:39.49 | Macer | that damn elop! |
| 01:40.04 | Scifi | "scratchbox-libs:i386 1.0.16 (Multi-Arch: no) is not co-installable with scratchbox-libs:amd64 1.0.26 (Multi-Arch: no) which is currently installed" - Trying to install Harmattan and Fremantle targets on same scratchbox instance. Any inputs? |
| 01:40.19 | DocScrutinizer | N950 started way before elopocalypse |
| 01:40.36 | DocScrutinizer | probably even N9 did |
| 01:40.36 | nox- | yes but why isnt it sold? not bc of elop? |
| 01:40.49 | nox- | most likely |
| 01:41.04 | Macer | elopocalypse! (tm) |
| 01:41.11 | DocScrutinizer | no, because carriers rejected it for flimsy kbd mechanism, so the rumour |
| 01:41.11 | javispedro | Scifi: remember: one arch only. do not merge i386 with amd64. Also, you already have later version of scratchbox-libs, do not try to install it. |
| 01:41.17 | Macer | DocScrutinizer: you should buy that domain! |
| 01:41.19 | nox- | rumor... |
| 01:41.44 | Macer | DocScrutinizer: screw carriers! |
| 01:41.49 | Macer | sell direct! |
| 01:41.52 | Macer | :-) |
| 01:41.58 | Macer | i want my flimsy kbd |
| 01:42.11 | Macer | i HATE vkbds |
| 01:42.19 | Scifi | javispedro: So I guess I should just install Harmattan (i386) versions manually then. |
| 01:42.23 | DocScrutinizer | maybe it's just too expensive? |
| 01:42.32 | javispedro | Scifi: you already have amd64 |
| 01:42.50 | javispedro | Scifi: so you will need to find amd64 packages of the fremantle toolchains |
| 01:42.54 | Scifi | Yes, but FREMANTLE did not come with amd64 |
| 01:43.10 | Scifi | Unless I am missing something |
| 01:43.11 | DocScrutinizer | ith all the USB loose N900 well might have been a deficitary business for nokia |
| 01:43.23 | javispedro | Scifi: http://www.scratchbox.org/download/files/sbox-releases/hathor/deb/amd64/ check there |
| 01:43.30 | nox- | DocScrutinizer, my guess is elop wants wp7, and only has to sell _one_ meego device, so he killed the other |
| 01:43.35 | javispedro | Scifi: seemingly you at least have fremantle toolchain (cs2007) |
| 01:43.42 | DocScrutinizer | with N950 flimsy kbd they might have same concerns |
| 01:43.58 | MohammadAG | dpkg -r scratchbox-libs:i386 would work to uninstall it btw |
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| 01:44.12 | Macer | DocScrutinizer: ever use an htc vision? |
| 01:44.17 | DocScrutinizer | nope |
| 01:44.20 | Macer | the whole phone is "flimsy" |
| 01:44.31 | MohammadAG | if the N950 is the same as the N97, it's actually pretty good |
| 01:44.32 | Macer | tmob still sold it for $500 |
| 01:44.37 | MohammadAG | till it meets a street |
| 01:45.09 | Scifi | javispedro: Aha. I was looking here, http://www.scratchbox.org/debian/dists/maemo5-sdk/main/. Off to another round of installations |
| 01:45.09 | DocScrutinizer | hehe |
| 01:45.45 | MohammadAG | I actually liked the feel of the N97 more than the N900 |
| 01:45.47 | DocScrutinizer | one thing is clear: sit on a N950 with kbd open -> complete damage |
| 01:45.55 | MohammadAG | felt more natural holding it |
| 01:46.10 | MohammadAG | yes, true that |
| 01:46.26 | cehteh | i doubt that you should sit on the n900 with slide open |
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| 01:46.41 | MohammadAG | hey, shit happens :p |
| 01:46.44 | ShadowJK | or closed |
| 01:46.48 | DocScrutinizer | sore, but you got a fair chance it will survive |
| 01:46.49 | cehteh | yeah |
| 01:46.57 | cehteh | maybe it slides in :) |
| 01:47.00 | MohammadAG | having the N97 opened also looked cooler |
| 01:47.01 | DocScrutinizer | sure* |
| 01:47.14 | MohammadAG | you could have a live feed and you don't have to move your head |
| 01:47.43 | MohammadAG | the N97 had some major flaws though |
| 01:47.50 | MohammadAG | battery cover was creaky |
| 01:48.00 | MohammadAG | slider scratched the camera |
| 01:48.05 | DocScrutinizer | LOL |
| 01:48.10 | cehteh | this n900 display feels a bit fragile to pressure, i dint tried but well its plastic and then the thin display glass, no more protection |
| 01:48.49 | MohammadAG | camera slider made a blue flare (worse than the N900's) |
| 01:48.55 | cehteh | i think my outer plastic (touchscreen) a slightly dented already, only noticeable when you look at a flat angle |
| 01:49.07 | MohammadAG | one drop and the slider would move right/left from the bottom area |
| 01:49.17 | DocScrutinizer | meh, there's the LCD backside with a solid acrylic lightspreader on steel |
| 01:49.37 | DocScrutinizer | then a 0.1mm LCD with spacers layer, then the glass |
| 01:49.44 | MohammadAG | and last but not least, the black on the back of the sliding mech was actually rubber, after some time (and skin shit) it disolves away |
| 01:49.46 | DocScrutinizer | won't break THAT easily |
| 01:49.53 | MohammadAG | so the screen backlight starts leaking from the back |
| 01:50.10 | cehteh | DocScrutinizer: good to know, but i try not to test that :P |
| 01:50.19 | DocScrutinizer | yeah |
| 01:50.28 | MohammadAG | My N900's screen has two brighter spots now |
| 01:50.48 | DocScrutinizer | I ripped off some LCD panels off the Freerunner PCB, they were glued with nasty sticky |
| 01:50.53 | MohammadAG | as well as that nice gray line at the bottom |
| 01:50.56 | DocScrutinizer | they survived |
| 01:50.59 | nox- | my n900's kbd has most keys' paint come off :/ |
| 01:51.09 | MohammadAG | kb is still perfect for me |
| 01:51.30 | cehteh | disassembling tft's into their components and then reassemling needs some luck |
| 01:51.31 | nox- | i guess it doesnt help that i sometimes ssh from the phone... :) |
| 01:51.32 | MohammadAG | The chrome-painted border also lost its paint on the old battery cover |
| 01:51.36 | DocScrutinizer | nox-: cut your nails more often ;-P |
| 01:51.42 | nox- | haha no |
| 01:51.48 | MohammadAG | I'm typing this from the phone |
| 01:52.10 | nox- | im not typing with nails... |
| 01:52.15 | MohammadAG | oh yeah, I remember something with the N97 |
| 01:52.28 | MohammadAG | I went on a week's holiday, with only an N97 on me |
| 01:52.43 | MohammadAG | battery life was awesome, lasted two days on a charge |
| 01:52.56 | MohammadAG | Browser sucked hard |
| 01:53.31 | cehteh | n900 can last 2 days too |
| 01:53.31 | DocScrutinizer | nox-: do you live next to a construction site with lots of concrete dust, or maybe work in a lab where hydrocarbon fumes are around? |
| 01:53.47 | MohammadAG | cehteh, not with music being played all the time |
| 01:53.59 | DocScrutinizer | nox-: do you use cosmetical products for your hands' skin? |
| 01:54.05 | cehteh | no :) |
| 01:54.05 | MohammadAG | cehteh, the N97 could last a whole day (12h) with 3G |
| 01:54.22 | nox- | DocScrutinizer, rarely |
| 01:54.25 | MohammadAG | I remember leaving 3G on when I'm at school |
| 01:54.31 | cehteh | well music from flash works fine for me .. but webradio really sucks juice |
| 01:54.40 | MohammadAG | and all it lost was 2 bars |
| 01:54.49 | nox- | DocScrutinizer, i gues i just used the kbd `too much' |
| 01:54.50 | DocScrutinizer | nox-: maybe you got a lemon |
| 01:55.02 | cehteh | MohammadAG: doing what? |
| 01:55.03 | nox- | cant rule that out :) |
| 01:55.03 | ShadowJK | so that might've been 40% left :) |
| 01:55.17 | MohammadAG | cehteh, nothing, just idle 3G |
| 01:55.26 | cehteh | 3G just on and little data doesnt need much power |
| 01:55.31 | MohammadAG | doing that on the N900 makes its life 4 hours max |
| 01:55.40 | cehteh | (if you dont change cells or in a bad reception area) |
| 01:55.43 | ShadowJK | uh!? |
| 01:55.45 | MohammadAG | I did have nimbuzz and gravity running though |
| 01:56.07 | MohammadAG | ShadowJK, 2/7 isn't 40 percent :p |
| 01:56.15 | cehteh | i have skype running, weather updates and maybe 1-2 checks of webpages |
| 01:56.17 | ShadowJK | it's not linear |
| 01:56.18 | Choom | my N900 lasts an afternoon if I leave it connected to IRC |
| 01:56.29 | cehteh | with that my n900 would last fairly long |
| 01:56.51 | MohammadAG | Choom, 3G? |
| 01:56.58 | cehteh | but as soon you are moving, changing cells, have some bad reception (bike tour) it starts dropping |
| 01:57.00 | ShadowJK | N900 with 3g, context activated, idle, lasts about 2 days atleast.. |
| 01:57.00 | Choom | 3.5G |
| 01:57.02 | MohammadAG | mine lasts 4h |
| 01:57.24 | cehteh | ShadowJK: well it really depends on the situation |
| 01:57.27 | MohammadAG | ShadowJK, by 3G I meant an active data connection |
| 01:57.39 | ShadowJK | yes |
| 01:57.56 | ShadowJK | connection active (reachable on internet), idle |
| 01:58.00 | cehteh | biking through the black forrest with dual gsm/3g emptied the battery in 3 hrs here |
| 01:58.02 | ShadowJK | idle as in no data moving |
| 01:58.03 | MohammadAG | there's no way it can last 2 days |
| 01:58.04 | cehteh | (once) |
| 01:58.09 | Choom | MohammadAG: and that's if I don't use the backlight much |
| 01:58.09 | nox- | 1-2d idle on 3g, few hours ssh.ing over wifi... |
| 01:58.24 | cehteh | idle means you are close to some cell tower and dont move :P |
| 01:59.04 | cehteh | switching between 3g and gsm and cell handovers seem to take a lot juice |
| 01:59.12 | ShadowJK | gets about 1.5 days of N900 on irc, on gsm/wifi. |
| 01:59.30 | cehteh | how much irc channels? |
| 01:59.34 | MohammadAG | mine can last two days with wifi, but not with 3G |
| 01:59.46 | ShadowJK | 30-ish :) |
| 01:59.54 | Choom | I get 2 days of that on wifi here, too |
| 02:00.04 | DocScrutinizer | you need to understand that you don't control the device's power consumption as soon as you're 'online' via GSM/3G |
| 02:00.05 | cehteh | i once connected over openvpn over my bouncer ... also about 30 channels |
| 02:00.18 | cehteh | well and power saving doesnt work well with my AP |
| 02:00.26 | DocScrutinizer | the device may be perfectly idle and somebody is pingflooding you |
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| 02:01.10 | cehteh | hehe pingflood over 3G .. gets expensive with the wrong data plan |
| 02:01.11 | javispedro | ponders what to use the toolbar for in SDL games, if anything at all.. |
| 02:01.44 | ShadowJK | yeah, before I got the sshd on/off widget, I'd often discover battery at 60% after 2 hours because someone had been trying to bruteforce in through ssh :) |
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| 02:01.45 | Choom | another thing that I notice is that the phone heats up if I leave an ssh connection open over 3G |
| 02:02.00 | DocScrutinizer | ouch |
| 02:02.02 | Choom | I've never experienced that with wifi |
| 02:02.03 | MohammadAG | I wonder how those guitar apps on the iPhone work |
| 02:02.07 | cehteh | i do too |
| 02:02.15 | MohammadAG | did someone like record every string/fret/etc |
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| 02:02.19 | cehteh | webradio .. warms my device |
| 02:02.20 | ShadowJK | Choom, that indicates data moving.. |
| 02:02.31 | cehteh | (when charging too) |
| 02:02.56 | DocScrutinizer | you should "watch ifconfig phonet" or sth like that |
| 02:03.08 | ShadowJK | gprs0 |
| 02:03.12 | DocScrutinizer | yeah |
| 02:03.30 | ShadowJK | worth noting that the watch increases power consumption too :) |
| 02:03.40 | DocScrutinizer | marginally |
| 02:04.04 | ShadowJK | enough to significantly reduce C4 times |
| 02:04.13 | DocScrutinizer | yeah |
| 02:04.30 | DocScrutinizer | but what's C4 compared to 3G data |
| 02:04.39 | ShadowJK | good point |
| 02:05.57 | DocScrutinizer | aiui harmattan has a generic "data transfer" indicator applet |
| 02:06.38 | ShadowJK | 2 hours streaming webradio, frequent use of screen at max brightness, hspa @ 10km range: 300mAh left |
| 02:06.54 | DocScrutinizer | I wish they had made load applet a default as well |
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| 02:06.57 | ShadowJK | (calibrating bq27200 on devN900) |
| 02:07.21 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: hehe |
| 02:07.24 | ShadowJK | wishes there'd be load applet with dual bars for cpu and iowait |
| 02:07.57 | DocScrutinizer | wishes loadapplet was normalized against cpu clock |
| 02:08.13 | DocScrutinizer | or color-coded |
| 02:08.17 | ShadowJK | lol, that too |
| 02:08.29 | ShadowJK | 42C (ambient 30C) :) |
| 02:08.37 | DocScrutinizer | 600=red, 250=green |
| 02:09.09 | ShadowJK | >600=jolly roger |
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| 02:12.06 | DocScrutinizer | is there any clear word of quim what's going to happen next after sending AID to him? |
| 02:12.39 | DocScrutinizer | iirc mail said "sit back and wait..." |
| 02:12.39 | ieatlint | no |
| 02:13.02 | DocScrutinizer | wait for WHAT? ;-P |
| 02:13.14 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, are yoj getting n950? |
| 02:13.36 | DocScrutinizer | maybe, if they don't change their mind |
| 02:13.37 | ieatlint | my guess is that the device will at some point appear in that "device distribution" space in launchpad |
| 02:13.52 | ieatlint | which means you should just keep refreshing it until you get your phone or the server goes down |
| 02:14.08 | DocScrutinizer | idly hits F5 on device distribution |
| 02:14.38 | ieatlint | great, now spend the weekend writing an application that does it for you |
| 02:14.54 | DocScrutinizer | LOL |
| 02:15.07 | DocScrutinizer | FF "watch that page for changes" |
| 02:15.17 | GeneralAntilles | sighs. |
| 02:15.23 | GeneralAntilles | All of you other losers making this process slow. |
| 02:15.42 | ieatlint | i'll bet money that quim is in europe... |
| 02:15.53 | ieatlint | and you'll hear somthing on monday |
| 02:16.08 | DocScrutinizer | not according to his workhours |
| 02:16.46 | ieatlint | yeah, officially he's out in california |
| 02:17.03 | ieatlint | but if you look at when he makes his posts, it's 3am california time |
| 02:17.43 | DocScrutinizer | strange, I thought it was 3AM in europe ;-P |
| 02:18.29 | ieatlint | bottom of the page will give the time zone |
| 02:18.36 | ieatlint | mine says GMT -7, which is california |
| 02:18.48 | ieatlint | and 3am for many of his posts :) |
| 02:18.53 | jonwil | god ARM assembly can be a pain sometimes :( |
| 02:19.24 | derf | s/ARM // |
| 02:19.41 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, maybe we're on something - is there a bug in time display in F.M ? |
| 02:20.07 | jonwil | x86 is nowhere near as bad as ARM |
| 02:20.37 | DocScrutinizer | you bet m80 was |
| 02:20.44 | derf | jonwil: You're insane. |
| 02:20.50 | MohammadAG | his posts are from europe indeed |
| 02:21.20 | DocScrutinizer | evidence? |
| 02:21.40 | MohammadAG | If I tell you, I'll have to /kill you |
| 02:22.25 | DocScrutinizer | /boot |
| 02:22.27 | ieatlint | yes, i also have evidence |
| 02:22.36 | ieatlint | but it's impolite to gossip :P |
| 02:22.47 | DocScrutinizer | sorry that's been a complete insider joke |
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| 02:23.31 | ieatlint | (btw, if you note the time of your email from quim, it includes a timestamp specifying GMT+2) |
| 02:23.55 | javispedro | derf: note that he's talking about _reading_ it, not coding in it |
| 02:24.03 | ShadowJK | germany or poland? |
| 02:24.31 | DocScrutinizer | ieatlint: meh, that's via Nokia mailer agent |
| 02:25.07 | MohammadAG | I think he's in HEL atm |
| 02:25.15 | ShadowJK | hel is gmt+3 |
| 02:25.19 | MohammadAG | could be wrong, but I remember someone saying he was in EU |
| 02:25.38 | DocScrutinizer | honestly, who cares and why? |
| 02:25.52 | javispedro | EVERYONE AND BECAUSE OF NEW TOY HUNGER |
| 02:25.56 | derf | javispedro: Sure. |
| 02:25.56 | javispedro | goes back to coding |
| 02:26.05 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 02:26.06 | DocScrutinizer | I'm also in Europe and chatting on IRC at this time |
| 02:26.06 | derf | jonwil: What's so terrible about ARM that's better in x86? |
| 02:26.24 | MohammadAG | it's 5:26 and I need to wake up at 10 |
| 02:26.34 | ieatlint | DocScrutinizer: we need to know where he is, but it's an integral part of stalking someone |
| 02:26.45 | ieatlint | now, i'll put money on him being in spain |
| 02:27.27 | MohammadAG | think I should sleep now |
| 02:27.32 | MohammadAG | night |
| 02:27.40 | ieatlint | night |
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| 02:31.07 | DocScrutinizer | ~yawn* |
| 02:31.36 | DocScrutinizer | s/~/*/ |
| 02:31.42 | DocScrutinizer | wow |
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| 02:32.14 | DocScrutinizer | ~yawn |
| 02:32.14 | infobot | *YAWN* I get *YAWN* tired just thinking of large boxes of unknown substances being poured into nooks and crannies and eaten by little monsters that like to kill fluffy bunnies and oh god I'm tired.. |
| 02:32.19 | DocScrutinizer | s/~/*/ |
| 02:32.47 | DocScrutinizer | *yawn |
| 02:32.56 | DocScrutinizer | s/*/~/ |
| 02:33.04 | DocScrutinizer | hah, fail |
| 02:33.55 | nox- | bbl |
| 02:34.53 | DocScrutinizer | ~factinfo yawn |
| 02:34.53 | infobot | yawn -- created by JohnFlux_ <john@130.88.226.47> at Tue Jun 12 14:30:39 2001 (3671 days); it has been requested 80 times, last by DocScrutinizer, 2m 39s ago. |
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| 02:38.00 | javispedro | _MEEGOTOUCH_CANNOT_MINIMIZE atom to disable swipe |
| 02:38.34 | jonwil | bah, reverse engineering this code is hard :( |
| 02:47.54 | Scifi | javispedro: Finally, FREMANTLE targets are working on amd64. Thanks for your help. |
| 02:48.44 | javispedro | yw |
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| 03:03.07 | ShadowJK | full charge, bq27200 full reset, write 1200 into AR register, transfer AR to NAC. Results: LMD=2048, NAC=1200. Discharge battery: LMD becomes 1700-ish. |
| 03:03.20 | ShadowJK | No quick shortcut for calibration :( |
| 03:05.08 | ShadowJK | like a laptop's battery calibration thing would've been more feasible otherwise :) |
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| 03:07.03 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: you noticed my comments about pin9 and 10 of bq27200? |
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| 03:13.11 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: you probably even *could* use pin9 GPIO to enable VPP on pin10, which might be available e.g. form backlight booster ;-) |
| 03:20.20 | DocScrutinizer | nope, not really. The programming scheme for bq27200 forbids concurrent use of GPIO |
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| 03:21.16 | DocScrutinizer | 50ms pulse of 21V to pin 10 |
| 03:28.31 | cehteh | 21V? |
| 03:28.44 | cehteh | bzzt :) |
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| 03:51.15 | GAN900 | Droid 3, OMAP4430, 1GB RAM, 4" qHD display |
| 03:51.20 | GAN900 | Wouldn't it be nice. |
| 03:53.17 | wmarone_ | wouldn't it? |
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| 03:53.40 | ShadowJK | I'd wait until TI fixes omap4's ram issues |
| 04:01.18 | GAN900 | ShadowJK, ah, right. |
| 04:01.21 | GAN900 | Forgot about that |
| 04:01.26 | GAN900 | Always something. |
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| 05:03.00 | jonwil | bah, I cant get dbus-monitor to dump the dbus messages that I KNOW are being sent |
| 05:08.06 | jonwil | mental note, dont try and stop/start/restart the Mode Control Entity :P |
| 05:08.19 | jonwil | doing so is bad :P |
| 05:12.20 | jonwil | if I could just get dbus-monitor to dump the tklock_close and tklock_open calls, I would be in business |
| 05:19.03 | jonwil | aha, need to enable eavsdropping |
| 05:20.52 | jonwil | ok, WTF. Its sitting on a screen with a blue NOKIA logo on a white background and wont go any further in the boot process |
| 05:21.05 | jonwil | Is my phone hosed? |
| 05:22.54 | jonwil | hmm, I think its just somehow run out of battery |
| 05:23.11 | jonwil | If I plug charger in, I get dark screen with just visible NOKIA logo |
| 05:23.14 | jonwil | plus charging LED |
| 05:24.25 | ShadowJK | is this maemo5? |
| 05:24.46 | jonwil | yes |
| 05:24.48 | jonwil | Fremantle |
| 05:24.58 | jonwil | N900 |
| 05:25.33 | jonwil | so yeah if I power the phone with no charger plugged in, I get NOKIA logo on white and nothing more |
| 05:25.52 | jonwil | if I plug with wall charger, I get charging LED and dim nokia logo |
| 05:25.58 | jonwil | Does that mean its low battery |
| 05:26.08 | jonwil | or does it mean I need to reflash (which I would rather NOT do) |
| 05:26.34 | ShadowJK | it'd rebootloop |
| 05:26.50 | jonwil | so the screen I get means what? |
| 05:26.53 | ShadowJK | pulsating or steady charge led? |
| 05:26.57 | jonwil | plusating |
| 05:27.05 | jonwil | normal orange pulse for charging |
| 05:27.09 | ShadowJK | probably charging then |
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| 05:27.34 | jonwil | ok, my guess is that when I boot with no charger, the boot starts, displays the nokia logo then says "hey, not enough juice to boot" |
| 05:28.02 | jonwil | if I boot with the charger it says "hey, not enough juice to boot but there is a charger plugged in so lets charge" |
| 05:28.16 | jonwil | thats my guess anyway |
| 05:28.18 | ShadowJK | and pressing powerbutton with charger connected doesn't turn led blue? (usually you hold it a sec or two and the led turns progressively blue) |
| 05:28.49 | jonwil | nope, pressing power with charger doesnt make it go blue or change the screen |
| 05:29.06 | jonwil | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:29.55 | jonwil | I hope I havent screwed up something important and need to reflash :( |
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| 05:30.18 | jonwil | I think the best thing to do is to leave it for a while and let it charge |
| 05:30.23 | ShadowJK | You can't reflash with empty battery anyway |
| 05:30.37 | jonwil | I have no idea if the battery is empty or not |
| 05:30.48 | jonwil | but I am going to assume that it is |
| 05:30.57 | jonwil | and let it charge (assuming thats what its doing) |
| 05:31.00 | jonwil | and mess with it later |
| 05:31.56 | jonwil | I wish there was more documentation on the boot process |
| 05:32.02 | jonwil | and what different boot events mean |
| 05:32.55 | ShadowJK | documentationis generally lacking regrding follow-on effects of various shoot-self-in-foot events :) |
| 05:34.43 | jonwil | lets read http://wiki.maemo.org/Troubleshooting_boot_issues |
| 05:34.46 | jonwil | that might tell me something |
| 05:35.06 | jonwil | oh wait that doesnt help |
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| 05:38.25 | ShadowJK | There's a stage where it has booted into kernel, and then if battery is too low it turns off backlight for precharge. However, since PR1.3 kernel the system with charger connected consumes more than that |
| 05:38.34 | ShadowJK | marginally |
| 05:39.04 | jonwil | My guess is that the NOKIA logo comes from the bootloader |
| 05:39.08 | jonwil | rather than the kernel |
| 05:39.19 | jonwil | if it booted kernel, I would expect to see the dots |
| 05:39.24 | jonwil | and maybe the nokia hands animation |
| 05:39.49 | ShadowJK | so if it turns itself off after 3-10 days, then goes steady orange light, and boots into lights off again, that's probably what happened |
| 05:40.12 | jonwil | I suspect my phone is simply out of juice |
| 05:40.21 | jonwil | all the experiments I have been doing probably drained it |
| 05:40.32 | ShadowJK | Well nolo throws up hands, linux doesn't replace it |
| 05:40.46 | jonwil | ok, so hands comes from nolo |
| 05:40.52 | jonwil | ok, that means its not booting kernel at all |
| 05:41.07 | ShadowJK | it doesn't necessarily mean that |
| 05:41.15 | jonwil | ok |
| 05:41.54 | ShadowJK | if it goes to act_dead mode, it just pauses/halts boot before progress balls would appear, or something like that |
| 05:42.04 | jonwil | act_dead mode is what? |
| 05:43.52 | jonwil | aha, "(btw for the record, the battery charging is actually an even more stripped down "act-dead" mode... the device actually powers up, loads frame buffer drivers for the display/etc, then shows you the charging screen). " |
| 05:43.55 | jonwil | That sounds like the mode my phone is in |
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| 06:56.52 | jonwil | damn, my phone still wont work |
| 06:58.16 | ruskie | :( |
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| 07:07.36 | jonwil | I can get the flasher to see the phone though |
| 07:07.40 | jonwil | so its definatly getting that far |
| 07:07.47 | jonwil | I just cant get it to fully boot |
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| 07:14.29 | jonwil | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:14.43 | jonwil | where are the gurus when ya need em :P |
| 07:15.12 | jonwil | The last thing I did before this happened was I changed a dbus config file |
| 07:15.28 | jonwil | but what I am seeing suggests its more than a simple screwed up dbus config |
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| 07:18.26 | jonwil | It better not be a hardware fault or else I might end up with no usable phone and a useless piece of crap from Nokia Care running Symbian |
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| 07:21.33 | robbiethe1st | jonwil: Try flashing a framebuffer kernel |
| 07:21.45 | robbiethe1st | Probably an Optfs problem |
| 07:22.24 | jonwil | will flashing the phone risk things if the battery is dead/not providing enough juice or will it just fail to flash? |
| 07:22.32 | jonwil | And where do I get a safe trusted kernel to try? |
| 07:23.16 | jonwil | I hope editing /etc/dbus-1/system.conf to enable dbus eavesdropping isn't the cause of my problem |
| 07:23.20 | robbiethe1st | http://maemo.org/packages/view/kernel-framebuffer/ |
| 07:23.47 | robbiethe1st | grab the image file out of that package, flash with Nokia flasher |
| 07:24.12 | robbiethe1st | and it'll fail to flash, likely. Even if it flashed part way, you're in no danger - There's always Cold Flashing |
| 07:24.46 | robbiethe1st | N900's just about unbrickable, provided you have an external charger or second battery, provided the first one runs down |
| 07:25.36 | jonwil | It doesnt find the right file for that kernel |
| 07:25.58 | jonwil | http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/k/kernel/kernel-framebuffer_2.6.28-20101501+0m5-framebuffer1_armel.deb not found |
| 07:26.22 | jonwil | so where do I get it from? |
| 07:27.17 | jonwil | ok, I found http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/public/maemo/kernels/framebuffer/ |
| 07:27.20 | jonwil | which file do I want? |
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| 07:27.35 | jonwil | zImage-fb-omap1-pr13? |
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| 07:29.16 | jonwil | and how do I flash it? |
| 07:29.37 | robbiethe1st | Um, there's a -k option IIRC |
| 07:29.42 | robbiethe1st | run flasher -h or w/e |
| 07:29.48 | robbiethe1st | get the list of options |
| 07:33.17 | robbiethe1st | You don't have Backupmenu, do you? |
| 07:35.20 | jonwil | ok, I have framebuffer kernel now |
| 07:35.51 | jonwil | ok, now I see su: can't chdir to home directory /home/user |
| 07:36.12 | jonwil | also something about "error reading WD flags" |
| 07:37.04 | jonwil | Can I flash this "backupmenu" thing directly with my phone in this state? |
| 07:37.20 | jonwil | If I can just get to a shell, I think its fixable |
| 07:38.01 | frals | i wonder, is the NAND and emmc availble if you boot meego from the sdcard? |
| 07:38.11 | frals | if so that would be one way to get a shell |
| 07:39.57 | robbiethe1st | Well, try flashing this: http://robbiethe1st.afraid.org/BackupMenu/flashable_rootfs_v0.56-1-20101109.img |
| 07:40.07 | robbiethe1st | Use the -r rootfs option |
| 07:40.39 | jonwil | wont that overwrite all my settings like /etc and stuff? |
| 07:40.46 | robbiethe1st | Yes. Um... |
| 07:41.05 | jonwil | I just need to get a shell on the thing |
| 07:41.59 | robbiethe1st | Which - AFAIK - is impossible currently. Without Backupmenu or some other pre-boot stuff already installed, you can't even manually install something new, as you can't get access to the rootfs or optfs. |
| 07:42.30 | robbiethe1st | You can, however, save your MyDocs and possibly some Optfs files if you're lucky and don't fully flash |
| 07:42.47 | robbiethe1st | optfs contains your important bits - program settings, email, sms etc. |
| 07:44.29 | jonwil | where is /home/user stored? |
| 07:44.34 | jonwil | optfs? rootfs? |
| 07:45.05 | RST38h | Ok, I am now prepared to use a freaking CPP on these .java files. |
| 07:45.28 | jonwil | Can I flash a loader or kernel that boots from microsd? |
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| 07:45.40 | jonwil | e.g. image on microsd? |
| 07:54.15 | hiemanshu | frals: nand is not, emmc is |
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| 07:57.08 | jonwil | does reflashing rootfs erase /home/user? |
| 07:57.10 | hiemanshu | jonwil: umm, do you have uboot or something installled? |
| 07:57.32 | hiemanshu | jonwil: yes, it doesn't touch MyDocs though |
| 07:57.34 | jonwil | nope, I dont, can I install that with the flashable uboot-and-kernel image? |
| 07:58.43 | hiemanshu | jonwil: what are you trying to do? |
| 07:59.08 | jonwil | trying to find out why my phone wont boot and/or fix it without loosing all my data |
| 07:59.38 | hiemanshu | jonwil: http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Using_Rescue_Initrd |
| 07:59.44 | hiemanshu | jonwil: it has a recovery terminal |
| 08:05.21 | jonwil | ok, the recovery kernel seems to boot |
| 08:05.24 | jonwil | but the screen is dark |
| 08:05.27 | jonwil | and I cant see |
| 08:05.33 | jonwil | Is there a way I can key something in to solve that? |
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| 08:08.31 | jonwil | ok, I need to enable r&D mode for that |
| 08:08.34 | jonwil | now I can type |
| 08:13.31 | jonwil | ok, now I cant get the blue symbol key to work so I cant type in symbols like - or / |
| 08:15.14 | jonwil | if I can get the symbol key to work I should be able to fix my phone |
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| 08:16.07 | hiemanshu | jonwil: long press doen't work either? |
| 08:17.55 | jonwil | nope :( |
| 08:20.47 | jonwil | if I can just get it so I can type a - key, I can do stuff :) |
| 08:22.41 | ieatlint | typing i overrated |
| 08:22.58 | jonwil | not when you are trying to fix a busted phone its not :P |
| 08:23.47 | ieatlint | elitist |
| 08:26.26 | alterego | Heh |
| 08:26.30 | alterego | Use the vkb |
| 08:27.32 | jonwil | the meego recovery kernel has no virtual keyboard |
| 08:27.35 | jonwil | or anything fancy |
| 08:30.34 | frals | does the recovery console have usbnetwork by any chance? |
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| 08:32.54 | hiemanshu | yes, it does have usb net |
| 08:34.09 | jonwil | does usbnet for the recovery console help me get access to it? |
| 08:36.09 | hiemanshu | not sure about that :/ |
| 08:40.46 | robbiethe1st | got a SD card? |
| 08:40.58 | robbiethe1st | or wait... no slash. |
| 08:41.01 | robbiethe1st | dammit |
| 08:41.17 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 08:41.54 | jonwil | I am going to attempt to copy meegoce image to microsd |
| 08:42.03 | jonwil | and use flasher -l to load the kernel |
| 08:42.06 | jonwil | and get into meegoce |
| 08:42.09 | Jaffa | javispedro: 16GB |
| 08:42.14 | jonwil | mount my maemo / |
| 08:42.18 | jonwil | and then fix it |
| 08:42.20 | jonwil | somehow |
| 08:42.26 | jonwil | or if not fix, copy everything off |
| 08:42.28 | jonwil | and reflash |
| 08:42.29 | robbiethe1st | ^^ |
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| 09:07.52 | alterego | Would be cool if we can hack meego on to WP7 phones... |
| 09:08.43 | dm8tbr | are there EGL linux drivers for the snapdraong? |
| 09:08.49 | dm8tbr | snapdragon... |
| 09:09.15 | dm8tbr | also, is it high security silicon? |
| 09:11.33 | alterego | Dunno |
| 09:11.47 | alterego | If it's as easy as Android .. |
| 09:12.01 | alterego | But it probably wont be, I guess we'll know soon enough. |
| 09:13.45 | dm8tbr | http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/MSMQSD |
| 09:16.26 | dm8tbr | so unless someone comes up with a driver... |
| 09:16.38 | dm8tbr | see bug 17570 on meego.com |
| 09:16.39 | povbot | 04Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/17570 was not found. |
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| 09:48.34 | Oppo|n900 | uhm |
| 09:48.56 | Oppo|n900 | how do you mark stuff in the webbrowser on maemo? |
| 09:50.23 | rzr | mark? |
| 09:50.50 | Oppo|n900 | yea copy paste from the page |
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| 09:51.42 | Oppo|n900 | in order to copy from a page, you first need to mark some text |
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| 09:59.57 | Hurrian | swipe left to right |
| 10:00.01 | Hurrian | click the mouse button |
| 10:00.07 | Hurrian | highlight like crazy |
| 10:02.25 | rzr | http://rzr.online.fr/q/amiga# : p-uae is a portable #unix #amiga #emulator packaged for #meego and #debian distro, report prerelease tests |
| 10:02.36 | Oppo|n900 | thanks |
| 10:10.04 | moofree | oh boy |
| 10:10.07 | rzr | wrong chang :) |
| 10:10.09 | rzr | chan |
| 10:10.28 | moofree | only amiga makes it happen |
| 10:11.12 | robbiethe1st | rzr: Why not package it for Maemo as well? shouldn't me much different than Debian |
| 10:11.33 | pabs3 | rzr: whats with all the # characters? |
| 10:11.45 | robbiethe1st | pabs3: channels, obviously |
| 10:11.58 | robbiethe1st | and those all seem like valid channels on Freenode |
| 10:12.14 | moofree | lol |
| 10:14.27 | rzr | robbiethe1st: i dont have scratchbox on my current computer but yes it is planned too |
| 10:14.33 | robbiethe1st | Ok, good. |
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| 10:15.11 | rzr | unless i can ssh to a maemo rootfs |
| 10:20.17 | rzr | pabs3: # are cut and paste from http://identi.ca/rzr |
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| 10:23.02 | pabs3 | ah |
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| 10:40.07 | DocScrutinizer | jonwil: changing kernel without taking care about modules ->brick. Rescue-initrd use ctrl-i to tab-expand helps a bit. dbus failure sure causes bootup lock. ~user is on eMMC |
| 10:41.11 | jonwil | I am just trying to get a usable terminal on my phone so I can mount rootfs |
| 10:41.22 | DocScrutinizer | jonwil: flashing rootfs deletes /opt though |
| 10:41.33 | jonwil | dont you mean that /opt is in emmc |
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| 10:41.40 | jonwil | and rootfs is on nand |
| 10:41.43 | DocScrutinizer | jonwil: usable terminal: go meego, your best chance |
| 10:42.33 | DocScrutinizer | yes /opt is on eMMC but flashing rootfs will cause deletion of /opt on first boot |
| 10:42.36 | robbiethe1st | Flashing rootfs *with the stock rootfs* deletes opt on the first boot |
| 10:42.40 | robbiethe1st | Yea |
| 10:42.53 | robbiethe1st | got to use something different if you don't want it wiped |
| 10:43.53 | DocScrutinizer | robbiethe1st: congrats to V1.0 :-) did you get the "bot me up" key? |
| 10:43.58 | DocScrutinizer | boot* |
| 10:44.01 | robbiethe1st | Uh...? |
| 10:44.06 | [DarkGUNMAN] | /home/user is a good placemto keep |
| 10:45.09 | robbiethe1st | DocScrutinizer: Uh...? boot me up key? |
| 10:47.01 | DocScrutinizer | robbiethe1st: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1042989&postcount=786 |
| 10:47.45 | robbiethe1st | See my next point. Not going to be easily possible; it's in a chroot, and I'd have to somehow switch back and continue the boot process. |
| 10:49.13 | robbiethe1st | I did implement the (needed) optfs-formatting bit, though. And I may be able to actually add terminal capability for Kernel-power users |
| 10:49.35 | DocScrutinizer | cool :-D |
| 10:50.18 | robbiethe1st | Turns out there's a 'fbcon' module which, when loaded might just allow me to go "sh", and get a terminal! :D |
| 10:51.42 | DocScrutinizer | or kernelpanic and reboot - 2 of 3 cases ;-) |
| 10:52.24 | DocScrutinizer | might be good enough if you really need term |
| 10:52.43 | DocScrutinizer | just don't load the fbcon unconditionally :-) |
| 10:53.29 | robbiethe1st | Yea, definitely. |
| 10:54.31 | Atarii | hey robbiethe1st |
| 10:54.38 | robbiethe1st | ? |
| 10:54.59 | Atarii | I've been seeing your name all over somewhere today (some maemo site) |
| 10:56.02 | robbiethe1st | well, YEAH |
| 10:58.07 | robbiethe1st | and it's talk.maemo.org, the official maemo forum... |
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| 11:02.38 | DocScrutinizer | jonwil: btw I don't think you need to switch sth on dbus-config to 'eavesdrop' any msg. dbus-monitor shal get them all, on user session and on system buss |
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| 11:03.45 | ali1234 | Hurrian: i unpacked your file |
| 11:03.50 | Jaffa | frals: Quick question - when creating an event in Calendar, how do you make it go in anything other than the "default" calendar? |
| 11:04.28 | ali1234 | Hurrian: http://paste.ubuntu.com/636855/ |
| 11:05.33 | ali1234 | hey, does nitdroid support u-boot now? topic seems to imply this? |
| 11:05.48 | ali1234 | or are you just saying "don't use nitdroid" |
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| 11:12.49 | Hurrian | ali1234, many android devices use uboot |
| 11:13.57 | Hurrian | however, iirc nitdroid people use startup scripts that mess with regular startup |
| 11:14.31 | pabs3 | heh, nitdroid front page got replaced with spam |
| 11:15.09 | Hurrian | yup |
| 11:15.17 | Hurrian | not like the wiki's updated anyway |
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| 11:16.34 | MoonTiger | hey guys :) |
| 11:18.03 | robbiethe1st | The minute Nitdroid uses Uboot, I'll try it. Not before. |
| 11:18.21 | Hurrian | robbiethe1st: i'll start testing it again if they switch |
| 11:18.32 | Hurrian | like many others, i'd like to avoid onenand writes |
| 11:18.37 | robbiethe1st | Yea |
| 11:19.05 | Hurrian | heh, i'd like a graphical boot menu (like Chameleon) for uboot |
| 11:20.02 | Hurrian | ali1234 , if you're still here, i'm assuming you'll need python-lzo for said script |
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| 11:21.00 | ali1234 | Hurrian: yes |
| 11:22.58 | Hurrian | oh wow, they're all packaged rpm. brb, recompiling everything for ubuntu |
| 11:24.02 | ali1234 | liblzo is in the ubuntu repository |
| 11:24.13 | frals | Jaffa: press the down arrow splitting the top with the "note" |
| 11:27.40 | Hurrian | ali1234, installed liblzo-dev, installing python-dev for oberhumer's python-lzo |
| 11:27.55 | jhb | pabs3: fied that |
| 11:27.58 | jhb | fixed |
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| 11:35.26 | Hurrian | anyone know if nitdroid still overclocks to 700 on default voltage? |
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| 11:38.06 | robbiethe1st | depends on device |
| 11:38.20 | robbiethe1st | Like with maemo, all depends on the device |
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| 11:52.06 | Hurrian | no, i mean if it's still a default setting |
| 11:52.12 | Hurrian | it's a pretty bad idea imho |
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| 12:03.18 | jonwil | still no luck mounting my rootfs with any of the rescue initrds I have tried |
| 12:03.53 | jonwil | and I dont have anything small enough to flash onto my 1gb microsd that will help |
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| 12:07.58 | SpeedEvil | Isn't the smallest meego under that? |
| 12:08.27 | jonwil | if you have a link for that, that would be GRETA |
| 12:08.29 | jonwil | GREAT |
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| 12:08.59 | SpeedEvil | Sorry - no. I vaguely recall Dibblah did so, to rescue his device. I'm unsure if that was to the SD though |
| 12:09.04 | SpeedEvil | to a 1G SD |
| 12:09.48 | Hurrian | uhh, btrfs compression might get you there |
| 12:09.57 | Hurrian | if btrfs doesn't ENOSPC on you first |
| 12:10.05 | Hurrian | iirc i got meego to 7xx MB |
| 12:10.12 | Hurrian | btrfs could be lying ofc |
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| 12:10.54 | SpeedEvil | you can't use btrfs - btrfs is for raw flash devices - SD is not raw flash |
| 12:11.14 | Hurrian | don't you mean ubifs? |
| 12:11.30 | SpeedEvil | err |
| 12:11.31 | Hurrian | btrfs is a disk filesystem like ext4 |
| 12:11.32 | jonwil | so how do I get meego to fit on a 1GB microsd then? |
| 12:11.33 | SpeedEvil | maybe I do |
| 12:11.34 | SpeedEvil | oops |
| 12:12.09 | MohammadAG | what exactly do you want to do? |
| 12:12.41 | jonwil | boot my phone with either a microsd OS or a initramfs os in a way that will let me mount my ubifs rootfs |
| 12:12.53 | jonwil | and fix the issue preventing the normal n900 rootfs from booting properly |
| 12:13.13 | MohammadAG | use MeeGo on the eMMC |
| 12:13.14 | jonwil | it shouldnt be so damn hard but it is :( |
| 12:13.33 | jonwil | I would do meego-on-emmc if I could get usb networking going on my gentoo box |
| 12:13.35 | jonwil | but I cant |
| 12:13.48 | jonwil | so the n900-de-emmc-installer.sh fails |
| 12:13.55 | MohammadAG | wtf is that |
| 12:14.14 | MohammadAG | do you have the MeeGo raw image? |
| 12:14.39 | jonwil | I do |
| 12:14.50 | MohammadAG | do you know how to use gparted? |
| 12:14.54 | Hurrian | ali1234 , doesn't seem to work on my end |
| 12:15.18 | Hurrian | jonwil, use GNU Parted to print the offsets of each partition |
| 12:15.20 | jonwil | I think I do |
| 12:15.27 | MohammadAG | no |
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| 12:15.42 | MohammadAG | jonwil, k, should be easy, is your device close to a full charge? |
| 12:16.03 | jonwil | should be |
| 12:16.10 | crashanddie_ | anyone aware of a tool that can map a process' execution? |
| 12:16.25 | MohammadAG | jonwil, k, boot the meego rescue initrd image |
| 12:16.26 | crashanddie_ | Basically, drawing UML from a process' calls and execution? |
| 12:16.45 | MohammadAG | and install kpartx and gparted on your gentoo |
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| 12:18.14 | MohammadAG | if the device shuts down go R&D and kill the watchdogs |
| 12:18.24 | Jaffa | frals: "Manage maps" in 22-6 seems very broken. It downloads but then doesn't install. |
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| 12:21.13 | jonwil | ok, installing gparted now |
| 12:21.45 | Dibblah | jonwil: Unfortunately, I had a bootable OS to start with - If you're not bootable, there's no way to install uboot or whatever. |
| 12:22.04 | jonwil | I have a suitable backup of my emmc thanks to the mass storage mode of the ramdisk |
| 12:22.15 | jonwil | so I just need to get a bootable OS onto that emmc |
| 12:22.18 | Dibblah | The only reason I went down that route is that I had no functional USB port on that N900. |
| 12:22.45 | jonwil | mount my rootfs, fix my problem, reflash with a maemo emmc and be back in business |
| 12:22.54 | jonwil | at least thats what I hope is going to happen |
| 12:23.31 | MohammadAG | jonwil, if you follow my steps you'll have MeeGo working without doing anything to maemo |
| 12:23.38 | MohammadAG | in fact, maemo won't notice it |
| 12:23.46 | jonwil | so this wont affect my existing emmc contents? |
| 12:23.49 | MohammadAG | nope |
| 12:23.53 | jonwil | ok, great |
| 12:24.07 | MohammadAG | nor will it affect /home or /opt |
| 12:24.12 | jonwil | good |
| 12:24.24 | jonwil | ok, gparted is still emerging |
| 12:24.25 | MohammadAG | but you'll lose 2GBs of MyDocs |
| 12:24.38 | jonwil | if thats what it takes, thats fine |
| 12:24.40 | MohammadAG | instead of 28GBs it'll be 26 |
| 12:25.23 | jonwil | ok, ready to boot phone in rescue mode as soon as the steps I can do before booting the phone are done |
| 12:25.38 | jonwil | so that I dont waste battery sitting there doing nothing |
| 12:25.57 | jonwil | wow, gparted needs a lot of packages |
| 12:26.30 | jonwil | probably because my gentoo system is nominally kde |
| 12:26.36 | MohammadAG | heh |
| 12:27.35 | jonwil | since I cant do anything until this emerges, I am going to have some food before my body battery runs to empty :) |
| 12:27.46 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 12:29.38 | jonwil | whilst I wait for this to emerge, I will plug my phone into the wall charger and get it into the "it wont boot but it charges" mode so I can fill the batttery in the mean time |
| 12:30.05 | MohammadAG | oh you can charge it? I thought you broke it before that |
| 12:30.20 | MohammadAG | if so I suggest you fill it up |
| 12:30.31 | jonwil | I think its charging, the charging LED is flashing as normal |
| 12:30.34 | jonwil | so I am guessing its charging |
| 12:30.43 | MohammadAG | gparted's gonna take a while to move partitions and stuff, screen will be on and no bme |
| 12:31.50 | jonwil | could it be flashing the LED and not charging? |
| 12:32.33 | jonwil | doubt it myself :P |
| 12:33.46 | jonwil | I assume I will be activating usb storage mode on the initrd |
| 12:34.42 | MohammadAG | jonwil, yes |
| 12:34.46 | MohammadAG | ping me when you're back, I have a fullscreen youtube vid running |
| 12:34.48 | jonwil | ok |
| 12:34.51 | jonwil | will ping you |
| 12:35.03 | jonwil | once gparted is installed |
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| 12:38.52 | jonwil | a note for the future is that one should NOT hand-edit anything in /etc |
| 12:39.14 | Hurrian | jonwil, always use templates ;) |
| 12:39.21 | ruskie | always hand edits |
| 12:39.27 | ruskie | but also always backups |
| 12:39.40 | jonwil | my guess is that dbus is failing to init due to my edit |
| 12:39.51 | jonwil | and therefore it cant do what it needs to do |
| 12:39.54 | Hurrian | i have templates for startup scripts, system scripts and network scripts |
| 12:39.54 | jonwil | and boot |
| 12:40.02 | Hurrian | jonwil, y u edit dbus? |
| 12:40.18 | Hurrian | i dont remember anything being tunable there |
| 12:40.21 | jonwil | trying to enable eavsdropping |
| 12:40.36 | jonwil | which was a bad idea |
| 12:41.05 | Hurrian | ah |
| 12:41.35 | Hurrian | yeah, then again, dbus monitor doesnt spit out much on maemo |
| 12:41.41 | Hurrian | mite b useful |
| 12:42.06 | jonwil | Its a guess that thats what stuffed things up since that was the last thing I did before it failed |
| 12:43.40 | ruskie | Hurrian, sure it does... just need to hook to the right one |
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| 12:52.33 | jonwil | my god gtkmm takes ages to compile :( |
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| 12:54.50 | Dibblah | That's what happens when you run Gentoo. |
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| 13:17.45 | javispedro | MohammadAG: ping. |
| 13:18.28 | javispedro | MohammadAG: I think I found the way to disable swipe: an atom called _MEEGOTOUCH_CANNOT_MINIMIZE |
| 13:19.15 | DocScrutinizer | jonwil: you're always searching for things to RE, no? mce was a really great candidate |
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| 13:19.32 | MohammadAG | javispedro, how the hell did you find that |
| 13:19.58 | jonwil | ok, gparted is installed |
| 13:20.01 | jonwil | Whats the next step? |
| 13:20.11 | MohammadAG | boot the initrd |
| 13:20.15 | MohammadAG | again it may shutdown in 30s |
| 13:20.21 | MohammadAG | so use R&D mode |
| 13:20.30 | javispedro | MohammadAG: /usr/lib/mcompositor/*swipe*.so uses it |
| 13:20.38 | jonwil | ok, R&D is on |
| 13:20.38 | DocScrutinizer | searches periodic system and decides this has to be a new element created by this atom |
| 13:20.51 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: an X11 atom |
| 13:21.00 | javispedro | well |
| 13:21.05 | MohammadAG | jonwil, with watchdogs off? |
| 13:21.09 | jonwil | yes |
| 13:21.13 | javispedro | technically, it's a property. I just call them atoms because property names are atoms =) |
| 13:21.18 | Jaffa | javispedro: So an app could take over the screen and try and prevent people getting out of it. For face recognition locking etc.? |
| 13:21.32 | MohammadAG | Jaffa, more likes games with swiping |
| 13:21.34 | javispedro | or games |
| 13:21.35 | MohammadAG | like angry birds |
| 13:21.38 | javispedro | MohammadAG++ |
| 13:21.39 | Jaffa | Ah |
| 13:21.54 | Jaffa | You have to start *right* at the edge of the screen to get a swipe going though |
| 13:21.55 | MohammadAG | jonwil, boot the initrd and enable mass storage |
| 13:22.05 | jonwil | done that |
| 13:22.06 | MohammadAG | Jaffa, yes, but you might do that by mistake |
| 13:22.17 | Jaffa | MohammadAG: You might, yes. |
| 13:22.21 | jonwil | ok, gparted is up |
| 13:22.23 | MohammadAG | paused games should reenable swiping |
| 13:22.41 | MohammadAG | jonwil, you should have 3 partitions and 64(?) MBs of unpartitioned space |
| 13:22.44 | javispedro | Jaffa: on sbox sdk it has happened to me accidentally already twice or more |
| 13:22.48 | jonwil | yep, I can see that |
| 13:22.52 | jonwil | What options do I want to pick next? |
| 13:22.58 | javispedro | (though it is easier on sbox at least) |
| 13:23.10 | jonwil | I see fat32 and ext3 and swap |
| 13:23.23 | MohammadAG | jonwil, you'll want to resize the fat32 partition, make the new size after it 2048 |
| 13:23.45 | MohammadAG | you then want to move all partitions so this new unpartitioned space is at the end |
| 13:23.55 | Termana | MohammadAG, javispedro: could turn ugly though, if the app decides it doesn't want to turn it back on |
| 13:24.09 | MohammadAG | then you'll need to make a new partition, of exactly 2048, don't f with the unpartitioned space |
| 13:24.14 | jonwil | new size in mib is what? |
| 13:24.14 | MohammadAG | Termana, very ugly |
| 13:24.16 | Termana | Does the N9/N950 have a reset button? |
| 13:24.18 | MohammadAG | 2048 |
| 13:24.20 | DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: I hope there's a gconf key or whatever to define/tweak such parameters like "what is >right at the edge<, in pixels" |
| 13:24.21 | jonwil | currently its 27652 |
| 13:24.22 | javispedro | Termana: yes, as well as power button |
| 13:24.24 | MohammadAG | Termana, hard power off |
| 13:24.32 | MohammadAG | jonwil, there should be three fields |
| 13:24.34 | javispedro | Termana: force quitting the app makes compositor reenable swipe |
| 13:24.38 | MohammadAG | 0 27652 0 |
| 13:24.52 | DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: >how long to press&hold for menu to pop up< |
| 13:24.52 | MohammadAG | the last field states new size after partition or something, change it from 0 to 2048 |
| 13:25.04 | Termana | Ok, so some developer will just look like a fool then, not a deal breaker |
| 13:25.43 | MohammadAG | jonwil, "Free space following (MiB)" |
| 13:25.51 | jonwil | ok, I see |
| 13:25.59 | jonwil | Need to emerge dosfstools to manage fat |
| 13:26.11 | jonwil | should take no time :) |
| 13:26.23 | jonwil | yep, done already |
| 13:26.54 | jonwil | ok, resizing |
| 13:27.11 | jonwil | what do I change to the second partition? |
| 13:27.19 | alterego | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:27.30 | alterego | Though, still need to replace my nice pencil .. |
| 13:27.37 | javispedro | Termana: UI guidelines actually suggest disabling swipe for games: https://www.developer.nokia.com/swipe/ux/pages/Full_Screen.html |
| 13:28.05 | jonwil | ok, now shrinking /dev/stc1 from 27.00gib to 25.00gib |
| 13:28.30 | MohammadAG | jonwil, sec, looking for a pic |
| 13:28.37 | jonwil | done the steps I need to do |
| 13:28.46 | jonwil | I have the other 2 partitons moved to fill the gap |
| 13:28.59 | jonwil | once these 3 ops are done, I will create the 4th partition for meego |
| 13:29.12 | jonwil | now moving /dev/sdc2 to the left |
| 13:29.21 | MohammadAG | jonwil, http://i51.tinypic.com/10h6fpx.jpg |
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| 13:29.45 | MohammadAG | ignore the extended part, just make a primary ext4 partition |
| 13:29.48 | MoonTiger | guys is it possible that my code fails under the MADDE thingy but runs on its own? |
| 13:31.19 | javispedro | to complete the swipe experience it would be nice to close apps by swiping them out, like the webos =) |
| 13:31.26 | javispedro | (in the task switcher view) |
| 13:32.03 | MoonTiger | ok let me rephrase that.... i know it's possible as it's happening ... does it make any sense? |
| 13:32.04 | alterego | javispedro: swiping down from the top closes apaplications |
| 13:32.06 | MohammadAG | doesn't work with scrolling downwards :P |
| 13:32.20 | javispedro | alterego: I know, that's why I added the inside parentheses part |
| 13:32.38 | jonwil | ok, /dev/sdc2 is still being copied, it says "copying 272.00mib of 1.66gib" |
| 13:32.40 | alterego | javispedro: Ah right, well, yeah, like MohammadAG said, it'd interfere with scrolling |
| 13:32.52 | MohammadAG | jonwil, give it time |
| 13:32.58 | jonwil | yeah giving it time |
| 13:33.02 | javispedro | so just make it so you swipe left or right =) |
| 13:33.13 | alterego | Maybe a diagonal from top left to bottom right |
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| 13:33.19 | alterego | (of the thumbnail) |
| 13:33.21 | MohammadAG | doesn't work with swiping between 3 views |
| 13:33.34 | javispedro | MohammadAG: ok, good point. |
| 13:33.47 | MohammadAG | I'd love an always visible X button |
| 13:33.58 | alterego | MohammadAG: waste of screen estate |
| 13:33.58 | MohammadAG | in the task switcher |
| 13:34.07 | MohammadAG | alterego, task switcher ;) |
| 13:34.10 | alterego | I think I'd prefer a close button when the app is actually shown., |
| 13:34.18 | alterego | MohammadAG: I know, waste of screen estate :P |
| 13:34.24 | MohammadAG | how? :P |
| 13:34.28 | MohammadAG | the X button is overlaid |
| 13:34.35 | alterego | Sure, and it looks crappy :P |
| 13:34.48 | macmaN | MohammadAG: i dont think the always visible X would be as good as just getting out of X mode by touching an appwindow in center |
| 13:35.08 | macmaN | right now you have to hit the Done button in footer, which is clumsy esp. for maemo people |
| 13:35.23 | MohammadAG | shouting elop at a window should close it |
| 13:35.29 | macmaN | :D |
| 13:35.31 | alterego | macmaN: I agree there, empty space press should dismiss it like it does with dialogs. |
| 13:35.47 | jonwil | ok, the screen has now gone blank, is this normal? |
| 13:35.48 | alterego | continues working on "rx components" |
| 13:35.49 | alterego | :) |
| 13:35.51 | jonwil | Its still copying |
| 13:35.55 | MohammadAG | jonwil, yes, don't touch the keyboard |
| 13:36.03 | jonwil | ok, I wont touch the device at all |
| 13:36.05 | Termana | MohammadAG, $50 and I'll make it happen... joking :p |
| 13:36.12 | macmaN | hiemanshu said earlier that post n950 firmware has had 3000 bug fixes |
| 13:36.36 | macmaN | im liking how facebook app obeys Hides |
| 13:36.47 | macmaN | i can only hope the Twitter app can also do the same |
| 13:37.40 | Jaffa | alterego: Down swipe doesn't work in the 22-6 image we get :-( |
| 13:37.50 | Jaffa | macmaN: Yeah, konttori said it last night |
| 13:37.53 | alterego | Jaffa: I know, I just heard it's in N9 production image. |
| 13:37.55 | alterego | :/ |
| 13:38.03 | MohammadAG | Jaffa, did you dd mmcblk0 somewhere? |
| 13:38.06 | alterego | I wish they'd drop the "developer edition" branding .. |
| 13:38.07 | Jaffa | alterego: RX components? An abstraction of Qt & MeeGo UX? |
| 13:38.13 | MohammadAG | since the flashing image online is older than 22-6 |
| 13:38.26 | Jaffa | MohammadAG: Hmm, no. |
| 13:38.28 | MohammadAG | alterego, why, it's 1337 |
| 13:38.49 | Jaffa | MohammadAG: It looks fugly in portrait when your operator is "vodafone UK" ;-) |
| 13:38.50 | alterego | Jaffa: neah, my own custom toolkit for my type of apps (Columbus) |
| 13:39.02 | Jaffa | alterego: Ah |
| 13:39.08 | MohammadAG | change your operator :P |
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| 13:40.09 | jonwil | ok, good, up to moving /dev/sdc3 |
| 13:40.46 | MohammadAG | jonwil, you're moving them by dragging the box right? |
| 13:40.49 | MohammadAG | o/ wazd |
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| 13:41.06 | jonwil | yes I am |
| 13:41.21 | Jaffa | MohammadAG: "O2" is short, but they're also shit. (Vodafone's not great either, but hey) |
| 13:41.43 | jonwil | ok so I have a .raw file ready to flash |
| 13:41.59 | jonwil | size says its 3816816641 bytes |
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| 13:42.19 | MohammadAG | Jaffa, mine's "orange", any ideas if that'll fit? |
| 13:42.29 | MohammadAG | jonwil, that's where kpartx comes in |
| 13:42.36 | MohammadAG | it's actually less than 2GBs |
| 13:42.48 | MohammadAG | sudo kpartx -a rawfilename |
| 13:42.55 | jonwil | I cant find a kpartx gentoo ebuild |
| 13:43.32 | jonwil | aha, found it |
| 13:43.38 | jonwil | I need to emerge multipath-tools |
| 13:43.46 | MohammadAG | yeah |
| 13:43.57 | javispedro | sys-fs/multipath-tools-0.4.8-r1 (/sbin/kpartx) |
| 13:44.00 | javispedro | oops, late. |
| 13:45.40 | jonwil | ok, new partiton created |
| 13:45.56 | MohammadAG | left the unpartitioned space right? |
| 13:45.58 | jonwil | as ext4 |
| 13:46.04 | jonwil | yes the 64mib |
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| 13:46.16 | MohammadAG | good, messing that up can make the device unbootable afaik |
| 13:46.27 | jonwil | ok, kpartx installed |
| 13:46.38 | MohammadAG | jonwil, the ext4 partiton is number 4 right? |
| 13:46.42 | MohammadAG | partition* |
| 13:46.43 | jonwil | yes |
| 13:46.55 | MohammadAG | MyDocs is 1 and /home is 3 amiright? |
| 13:46.57 | jonwil | I have fat32, ext3, swap, ext4 |
| 13:47.25 | MohammadAG | yeah, my bad |
| 13:47.33 | jonwil | ok, so I ran kpartx -a filename |
| 13:47.33 | MohammadAG | anyway |
| 13:47.36 | Jaffa | MohammadAG: Probably - just. |
| 13:47.48 | MohammadAG | is /mnt empty? |
| 13:47.51 | jonwil | it didnt seem to do anything |
| 13:48.01 | MohammadAG | if so |
| 13:48.14 | MohammadAG | mount /dev/mapper/loop0p1 /mnt |
| 13:48.29 | MohammadAG | now mount the 4th partition somewhere |
| 13:48.41 | MohammadAG | and sudo cp -a /mnt/* /4thpartition/ |
| 13:48.42 | jonwil | kpartx did nothing to the file |
| 13:48.50 | MohammadAG | actually it did |
| 13:48.57 | jonwil | even though the size didnt change? |
| 13:48.59 | jonwil | ok |
| 13:49.00 | MohammadAG | you should have /dev/mapper/loop0p[1-3] |
| 13:49.18 | MohammadAG | which are the .raw file contents |
| 13:49.44 | jonwil | hold a second, I need to compile ext4 as a module |
| 13:49.49 | jonwil | my kernel doesnt seem to have it from the looks of it |
| 13:49.56 | MohammadAG | change it to ext3 then ;) |
| 13:50.04 | MohammadAG | I don't think MeeGo cares about partition type |
| 13:50.12 | jonwil | too late, already done |
| 13:50.15 | jonwil | the compile kernel |
| 13:50.21 | jonwil | just compiling the one module |
| 13:50.24 | MohammadAG | o_O |
| 13:50.24 | MohammadAG | oh |
| 13:50.32 | jonwil | for ext4 |
| 13:51.55 | MohammadAG | I'm assuming you mounted both the image and the partition then? |
| 13:53.46 | jonwil | ok, cp -a going now |
| 13:53.59 | jonwil | next up, how do I boot into this image? |
| 13:54.17 | MohammadAG | well |
| 13:54.21 | MohammadAG | make another mount point |
| 13:54.21 | jonwil | I assume I just need a kernel I can load with -l |
| 13:54.37 | MohammadAG | then mount /dev/mapper/loop0p3 on it |
| 13:54.41 | MohammadAG | inside, you'll find 4 files |
| 13:54.52 | MohammadAG | a vmlinuz, the kernel, and a config-*, the kernel config |
| 13:55.02 | MohammadAG | cat config* | grep CMDLINE |
| 13:55.14 | MohammadAG | change the cmdline so it root is /dev/mmcblk0p4 |
| 13:55.38 | MohammadAG | take out any microSDs, and use flasher-3.5 -k vmlinuz -l --boot=$modified_cmdline |
| 13:56.43 | jonwil | ok, I have no microsd in the phone |
| 13:56.49 | jonwil | still doing the cp -a |
| 13:57.08 | jonwil | I hope this meego image has what I need to mount NAND |
| 13:57.22 | MohammadAG | you need mtd-utils in MeeGo |
| 13:57.32 | MohammadAG | zypper refresh && zypper install mtd-utils afaik |
| 13:57.36 | MohammadAG | but we'll get to that later |
| 13:57.42 | MohammadAG | oh and it has sshd out of the box |
| 13:57.52 | jonwil | main thing is to get meego booting so I can start the battery recharging again |
| 13:58.02 | jonwil | which I assume it will do |
| 13:59.06 | MohammadAG | yep, it has bme |
| 13:59.08 | jonwil | ok, booting new kernel now |
| 13:59.29 | MohammadAG | cp -a done? |
| 13:59.40 | jonwil | yes that worked |
| 13:59.41 | jonwil | that finished |
| 14:00.12 | jonwil | its now sitting on a line which says "mmcblk0 p1 p2 p3 p4" |
| 14:00.56 | Termana | javispedro, after a lot of attempts, I got a half decent icon using your icon generator. But I had to use Inkscape to do a trace over it and then remove the white background to make it transparent. http://depot.javispedro.com/nit/hicg/files/4e0ed03562ac9_icon.png |
| 14:01.00 | jonwil | it says " |
| 14:01.21 | jonwil | aha, my fault, wrong kernel command line |
| 14:01.25 | DocScrutinizer | jonwil: do I get that right yu're nuking your device by installing meego to eMMC now, for sole purpose to fix the dbus cfg edit you did? ;-D |
| 14:01.25 | Termana | He has a hole in his head :( :p |
| 14:01.46 | jonwil | no, this isnt nuking it, its a separate partition |
| 14:02.11 | jonwil | ok, meego is up |
| 14:02.14 | jonwil | nice spashscreen |
| 14:02.18 | javispedro | Termana: http://depot.javispedro.com/nit/hicg/files/4e0ead3f289f0_src.svg it also has a hole in the original file |
| 14:02.33 | DocScrutinizer | I'm yet wondering if a meego install on a uSD wouldn't have done as well |
| 14:02.43 | jonwil | except that I only have a 1gb microsd |
| 14:02.47 | jonwil | which is the root of the problem |
| 14:02.54 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 14:02.55 | javispedro | Termana: does this come from an automated raster to vector tracing software? |
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| 14:03.10 | jonwil | ok, its sitting on the splashscreen saying "meego 1.2 community edition" |
| 14:03.18 | MohammadAG | jonwil, generating ssh keys |
| 14:03.22 | MohammadAG | first boot takes a while |
| 14:03.24 | DocScrutinizer | jonwil: lrn2backup ;-P |
| 14:03.36 | jonwil | ok, now the screen has gone blank but backlit |
| 14:03.44 | jonwil | which is normal |
| 14:03.53 | jonwil | ok, its up |
| 14:04.01 | Termana | javispedro, yeah I know (wasn't implying the generator did it :p) - when I removed the white background and made it transparent it took out the white shine in it's head and I didn't notice until I ran it through the generator :P |
| 14:04.39 | Termana | javispedro, depends what you mean by automated - I used Inkscape, which does it automatically by going through one of the menus and selecting a couple of options |
| 14:04.39 | jonwil | ok, so whats the next step to mount my flash and fix my problem? |
| 14:05.01 | javispedro | Termana: you might need to cover the hole manually if inkscape refuses :( |
| 14:05.13 | DocScrutinizer | jonwil: I do an rsync via cron each night. Flashing a clean rootfs and then restoring all from backup, less the dbus cfg would probably have been less effort |
| 14:05.16 | javispedro | or editing the svg file |
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| 14:05.24 | Termana | javispedro, I thought I'd just leave the hole their ;) |
| 14:05.24 | javispedro | (by text editor :P ) |
| 14:05.29 | jonwil | I see a telephone icon, letter icon, 4 squares, globe icon and camera icon |
| 14:05.32 | Termana | there* |
| 14:05.47 | MohammadAG | jonwil, that's meego :p |
| 14:05.47 | jonwil | yeah from now on I will install some sort of backup solution such as backupmenu |
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| 14:06.13 | javispedro | the dominant color extraction has also faled there, unless you wanted black =).I saw that there are some papers about good dominant color extraction which I'llr ead when I have the time. |
| 14:06.18 | jonwil | ok, firstly how do I pick my wifi |
| 14:06.27 | MohammadAG | jonwil, menu settings |
| 14:06.32 | MohammadAG | you'll figure out the rest |
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| 14:06.41 | jonwil | wifi " |
| 14:06.47 | jonwil | I can do |
| 14:06.54 | jonwil | mounting the ubifs I dont know |
| 14:07.09 | MohammadAG | open terminal |
| 14:07.17 | MohammadAG | oh actually yeah, connect to wifi first |
| 14:07.35 | jonwil | ok, associating |
| 14:07.39 | Termana | javispedro, well originally I thought it would be good if it worked ok. But then it came out black and I liked it. You should make it so people can choose the colours rather than only have the option of extracting them ;) |
| 14:08.07 | jonwil | ok, wifi is go |
| 14:08.11 | jonwil | now what do I do next? |
| 14:08.31 | jonwil | open terminal and install mtd-utils? |
| 14:08.40 | MohammadAG | yep |
| 14:08.49 | MohammadAG | zypper refresh && zypper install mtd-utils |
| 14:09.25 | jonwil | how do I get root? |
| 14:09.31 | MohammadAG | su root |
| 14:09.34 | MohammadAG | pass is "meego" |
| 14:10.08 | jonwil | ok, refereshing |
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| 14:11.17 | jonwil | now plugged into wall charger to ensure it stays full |
| 14:11.44 | jonwil | giving me errors about unsigned crap |
| 14:11.47 | jonwil | which I am saying yes to |
| 14:11.54 | jonwil | repomd.xml |
| 14:11.54 | MohammadAG | yeah, I get that too |
| 14:12.14 | jonwil | meego is definatly not as polished on the N900 as maemo is |
| 14:12.20 | jonwil | just feels different |
| 14:12.21 | MohammadAG | indeed |
| 14:12.28 | MohammadAG | but it's in development ;) |
| 14:12.36 | jonwil | now grabbing oss-1.2-daily |
| 14:13.09 | MohammadAG | hmm, aegis aside, should a binary from MeeGo 1.2 work on the N9? |
| 14:13.28 | jonwil | so yeah I should either be able to fix dbus and boot maemo again |
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| 14:13.44 | jonwil | or failing that, mount nand, copy the contents off then reflash nand |
| 14:13.55 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: ? |
| 14:15.01 | MohammadAG | without recompilation |
| 14:15.03 | jonwil | ok, mtd-utils installed. How do I mount NAND? |
| 14:15.18 | MohammadAG | umm, mount -t ubi0:rootfs /mnt afaik |
| 14:15.25 | MohammadAG | drop the "-t" |
| 14:15.38 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: you mean meegoCE -> meegoHarmattan? |
| 14:15.57 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, yes |
| 14:16.02 | MohammadAG | both are hardfp, omap3, etc |
| 14:16.05 | DocScrutinizer | test it, always depends |
| 14:16.13 | frals | depends what the binary needs |
| 14:16.17 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 14:16.45 | MohammadAG | mount -t ubifs ubi0:rootfs /mnt jonwil |
| 14:16.54 | MohammadAG | frals, if libs are present on both |
| 14:16.59 | jonwil | ok, that last command line says "unknown filesystem type ubifs" |
| 14:17.01 | MohammadAG | point is, I don't have to recompile for both right? |
| 14:17.11 | jonwil | ugh |
| 14:17.15 | MohammadAG | sec |
| 14:17.50 | MohammadAG | jonwil, zypper install mtd-utils-ubi |
| 14:17.59 | jonwil | ok, thanks |
| 14:18.20 | jonwil | says "nothing provides perl(config::inifiles) |
| 14:18.30 | jonwil | gives me the option to ignore the missing dep or not to install |
| 14:18.37 | MohammadAG | ignore it |
| 14:19.12 | jonwil | ok, we have mount |
| 14:19.17 | jonwil | or not |
| 14:19.23 | jonwil | same error, unknown filesystem type |
| 14:19.45 | frals | MohammadAG: if its compiled against the same libs, it "should" work, i guess |
| 14:19.48 | MohammadAG | try ubiattach /dev/ubi_ctrl -m 5 first |
| 14:20.00 | DocScrutinizer | o.O |
| 14:20.27 | jonwil | it says "write protected, mounting read only" |
| 14:20.35 | jonwil | how do I mount it read-write? |
| 14:20.45 | MohammadAG | mount -t ubifs -o rw,bulk_read,no_chk_data_crc ubi0:rootfs /mnt |
| 14:21.05 | DocScrutinizer | remount ? |
| 14:21.30 | jonwil | still says "write protected, mounting read only" |
| 14:21.52 | jonwil | says "block device ubi0:ubifs is write protected, mounting read-only" |
| 14:21.54 | MohammadAG | hmm, can ubifs be fscked? |
| 14:22.08 | DocScrutinizer | errrr |
| 14:23.10 | MohammadAG | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=73751 |
| 14:23.15 | DocScrutinizer | jonwil: maybe first check if you can *read* it now? |
| 14:23.21 | jonwil | I can read it |
| 14:25.05 | jonwil | wont let me mount it rw |
| 14:25.35 | jonwil | SO close and yet so far |
| 14:25.42 | jonwil | If I can mount it rw I can fix my config |
| 14:25.46 | jonwil | and be back in business |
| 14:25.52 | MohammadAG | I wonder if there's a force option |
| 14:27.58 | jonwil | I dont know |
| 14:28.34 | DocScrutinizer | you unmounted it and then mounted with all the nice -o magic spell? |
| 14:28.44 | alterego | Hah, my dad has started using my PGP key :D |
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| 14:29.21 | jonwil | yes I did |
| 14:29.23 | jonwil | and it wont mount |
| 14:29.36 | jonwil | dmesg does say "recovery needed" and "recovery deferred" |
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| 14:29.45 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, I wonder if /dev/mtd is related |
| 14:29.53 | DocScrutinizer | ouch |
| 14:30.07 | jonwil | it says "read-only ubi device" |
| 14:30.42 | jonwil | everything in /dev is rw for root |
| 14:31.22 | jonwil | ideas? |
| 14:31.38 | DocScrutinizer | "recovery deferred" means ubifs knows there has sth to be done. Need to find a way to force it to do it |
| 14:31.59 | SpeedEvil | Is there a ubick? |
| 14:32.21 | jonwil | no sign of any ubkfsck |
| 14:32.24 | jonwil | or fsck.ubifs |
| 14:32.46 | alterego | What would people call the widget that displays speed and bearing in my app: http://stage.rubyx.co.uk/columbus/index.html |
| 14:32.52 | DocScrutinizer | nah, ubifs is different |
| 14:32.54 | alterego | "NumericIndicator" doesn't really cut it for me .. |
| 14:33.28 | MohammadAG | jonwil, try rebooting into maemo and doing a clean shutdown |
| 14:33.32 | SpeedEvil | Numberwang |
| 14:33.39 | jonwil | except that I cant because maemo wont boot |
| 14:33.40 | jonwil | remember |
| 14:33.48 | alterego | SpeedEvil: now that's a good one ;) |
| 14:33.48 | jonwil | it goes into a "hey, I cant boot" loop |
| 14:34.02 | jonwil | since dbus isnt working |
| 14:34.09 | frals | alterego: dashboard? |
| 14:34.34 | DocScrutinizer | jonwil: there has to be some mountoption or cmd that triggers "fsck" for ubifs |
| 14:34.53 | SpeedEvil | alterego: you mean the speed and bearing display - or you mean thte large white numbers on it? |
| 14:34.55 | alterego | frals: ? Specifically just that "000.00 (mph)" widget |
| 14:35.17 | javispedro | not necessarily |
| 14:35.22 | javispedro | (fsck ubifs) |
| 14:35.27 | alterego | SpeedEvil: the large numbers (including the units indication) |
| 14:35.37 | frals | alterego: oh, dunno then... "SpeedAndBearingIndicator"! |
| 14:35.42 | alterego | Heh# |
| 14:35.44 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: dmesg does say "recovery needed" and "recovery deferred" |
| 14:35.45 | GeneralAntilles | speedometer and compass |
| 14:35.46 | javispedro | if ubifs does crc checking by default (and I think it does) |
| 14:35.55 | alterego | I'm trying to make a general widget :P |
| 14:36.10 | alterego | It could be speed, distance, well, anything, this is part of my components .. |
| 14:36.11 | SpeedEvil | alterego: 'large number overlay' ? |
| 14:36.17 | jonwil | ok, booting back into meego |
| 14:36.27 | alterego | SpeedEvil: not necessarily and overlay either :P |
| 14:36.34 | alterego | Oh well, "NumberIndicator" it is then .. |
| 14:37.15 | DocScrutinizer | eeew |
| 14:37.19 | Termana | I think really you had your heart set on NumberIndicator from the start, but you wanted to consult the channel so when people laugh at you later you can say no one came up with anything better |
| 14:37.20 | javispedro | recovery deferred should only appear if mounted RO |
| 14:37.22 | Termana | :p |
| 14:37.42 | alterego | Termana: not realy, I don't like the name but it's all I can come up with :P |
| 14:37.51 | jonwil | ok, something has happened and its working now |
| 14:37.55 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: it gets mounted ro |
| 14:38.07 | DocScrutinizer | jonwil: haha |
| 14:38.10 | DocScrutinizer | \o/ |
| 14:38.38 | MohammadAG | probably a reboot kicked it back into clean state |
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| 14:39.07 | DocScrutinizer | probably the screwed mounting process and late module loading made the difference |
| 14:40.28 | DocScrutinizer | jonwil: consider to prepare sth for the "masses" from your experience :-) |
| 14:40.49 | DocScrutinizer | e.g a scriptfile or whatever |
| 14:41.10 | jonwil | ok, lets see if it boots |
| 14:41.25 | jonwil | now that I restored /etc/dbus-1/system.conf from an old old rootfs copy I had |
| 14:41.43 | DocScrutinizer | whould shouldn't it? |
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| 14:42.00 | DocScrutinizer | as long as you haven't killed /opt ;-P= |
| 14:42.24 | jonwil | ok, same error, says "cant chdir to home directory /home/user" |
| 14:42.24 | DocScrutinizer | or flashed a kernel that doesn't match the modules |
| 14:42.32 | jonwil | need to go back to meego and find out why |
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| 14:43.32 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, are you sure your installing of meego to eMMC hasn't completely messed up things on eMMC for maemo - incl /home at large? |
| 14:43.41 | jonwil | nope, dont think so, will check |
| 14:43.44 | MohammadAG | _I_'m very sure of that ;) |
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| 14:44.28 | DocScrutinizer | well, go to meego, mount the home partition, do some checks |
| 14:44.59 | DocScrutinizer | might be messed up by unclean unmount or whatever |
| 14:45.16 | DocScrutinizer | fsck might help |
| 14:46.37 | DocScrutinizer | if it's mountable and accessable from meego, and still has same partition number and label and fs type, I can't see what's wrong with /home. Has to be some additional mess you made in maemo then |
| 14:46.52 | jonwil | now it claims "wifi is not available on this device" |
| 14:47.00 | jonwil | wtf |
| 14:47.05 | jonwil | in meego this is |
| 14:47.29 | jonwil | let me try a reboot |
| 14:47.31 | jonwil | of meego |
| 14:47.44 | jonwil | see, this is why the N900 is so cool |
| 14:47.51 | jonwil | try doing THIS on an iPhone or Android |
| 14:47.53 | jonwil | :P |
| 14:47.57 | DocScrutinizer | consider occasional removal of battery ;-) |
| 14:48.38 | jonwil | would having R&D mode left on be interfering with some of this stuff? |
| 14:48.58 | DocScrutinizer | 5s should be enough to reset whatever usual hw, and still might keep your RTC |
| 14:49.08 | DocScrutinizer | indeed |
| 14:49.25 | jonwil | ok, firstly, lets boot meego again then see if I can see wifi |
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| 14:49.51 | DocScrutinizer | there were some weird reports of R&D getting in the way for something I forgot what it's been |
| 14:50.39 | javispedro | wow, magnetometer returns raw data in muT |
| 14:50.49 | DocScrutinizer | hehe |
| 14:51.01 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: fair enough, what else? :-) |
| 14:51.04 | jonwil | ok, lets turn off R&D and try the battery thing |
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| 14:51.47 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: getting true bearing from magnetic is pain |
| 14:51.56 | DocScrutinizer | indeed |
| 14:52.19 | javispedro | also, one reading every 16ms |
| 14:52.22 | DocScrutinizer | but getting proper raw values from bearing is impossible ;-) |
| 14:52.45 | DocScrutinizer | 16ms? \o/ makes a nice cable detector |
| 14:53.08 | DocScrutinizer | note to self: cablefincer app |
| 14:53.11 | jonwil | ok, booting meego with R&D off |
| 14:53.39 | jonwil | having done the battery thing |
| 14:53.45 | jonwil | hopes his wifi isnt shot somehow |
| 14:53.51 | DocScrutinizer | nah!! |
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| 14:54.17 | DocScrutinizer | I guess you just spotted another bug in meegoCE |
| 14:54.31 | javispedro | "Driver spends approximately 16ms between starting the read to returning." |
| 14:55.22 | jonwil | are there low level commands I can try to check wifi? |
| 14:55.27 | alterego | 22 people 11 devices .. |
| 14:55.47 | alterego | Gotta give Quim credit, working on a Saturday. |
| 14:55.50 | DocScrutinizer | well, if that means the readings are same timeframe, then it's mre than appropriate for detecting 50/60Hz magnetic fields |
| 14:56.04 | DocScrutinizer | news?? |
| 14:56.37 | alterego | You think you can use the magnetometer for detecting live cables? |
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| 14:56.53 | DocScrutinizer | mhm |
| 14:56.58 | alterego | It'll only work when the circuits are actually _on_ though |
| 14:57.01 | DocScrutinizer | alterego: yep |
| 14:57.08 | DocScrutinizer | and yep |
| 14:57.12 | alterego | Like, you'd have to have all your lights on, mains plugs on with stuff plugged in etc. |
| 14:57.15 | alterego | :) |
| 14:57.21 | alterego | Still, it sounds like an awesome idea. |
| 14:57.32 | alterego | Has anyone done anything similar in iPhone Android camp? |
| 14:57.39 | DocScrutinizer | indeed, I think it is an awesome idea :-D |
| 14:57.53 | DocScrutinizer | nfc, what's iPhone? |
| 14:58.01 | alterego | :) |
| 14:58.15 | alterego | If you want a nice QML UI ;) |
| 14:59.06 | jonwil | so yeah how can I get wifi going again on this thing in meego? :P |
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| 15:00.30 | jonwil | or how can I mount my emmc? |
| 15:00.31 | alterego | I've had another thought, wrt digital compass |
| 15:00.33 | trx | nice |
| 15:00.48 | trx | still not refused nor accepted.. |
| 15:01.01 | alterego | My phone is always in my pocket same orientation, means it's pointing in roughly the same direction in my local geometry. |
| 15:01.10 | trx | got mail from Quim, to explain further my intentions.. :) |
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| 15:01.22 | MohammadAG | jonwil, also got that bug on MeeGo, rebooting fixed it |
| 15:01.24 | Jaffa | Hmm, browser on N950 can't SSL handshake with (forum.)meego.com |
| 15:01.33 | jonwil | tried rebooting already |
| 15:01.35 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 15:01.38 | alterego | So from that, if you recoreded readings from GPS, accel & compass, you could then use that to create an avatar of yourself in a virtual world, which included the direction you were looking. |
| 15:01.40 | DocScrutinizer | alterego: I'm happy to offer the low level stuff and leave the "nice QML UI" to you |
| 15:01.48 | alterego | DocScrutinizer: sounds like a plan. |
| 15:01.57 | DocScrutinizer | deal |
| 15:02.42 | alterego | starts modifying his custom compass widget to display digital compass and GPS heading data. |
| 15:04.39 | jonwil | ok, my ext3 filesystem (opt etc) mounts fine in meego |
| 15:04.43 | jonwil | no errors |
| 15:04.44 | jonwil | or issues |
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| 15:05.02 | jonwil | ok, so I am stuck as to the next step |
| 15:05.17 | jonwil | I cant get wifi going in meego so backup-and-reflash isnt simple |
| 15:06.23 | GAN900 | sighs |
| 15:06.30 | GAN900 | Good thing the N950 is coming |
| 15:06.35 | jonwil | going to power off again, pull battery and see what goes |
| 15:06.40 | GAN900 | The cellmo on this thing seems to be slowly dying. |
| 15:08.21 | jonwil | ideas would be appreciated... |
| 15:09.03 | alterego | GAN900: wassup? |
| 15:09.26 | alterego | How can you tell? Are you talking about N900? |
| 15:10.15 | DocScrutinizer | jonwil: use your 1GB uSD for backup, reflash |
| 15:10.23 | alterego | wonders how digital compass can help with panoramic photos |
| 15:10.24 | jonwil | ok, good idea |
| 15:10.44 | alterego | jonwil: alternativel just use scp if you're in meego |
| 15:10.54 | alterego | Or, usb mass storage mode. |
| 15:11.05 | DocScrutinizer | GAN900: I wanna 'join' SnapGo team, on a consulting basis |
| 15:11.14 | GAN900 | alterego, don't receive text messages |
| 15:11.20 | GAN900 | until I reboot |
| 15:11.23 | alterego | GAN900: eek :D |
| 15:11.30 | GAN900 | and it doesn't have a data connect until I reboot |
| 15:11.43 | alterego | :/ |
| 15:11.50 | GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, OK, you're in. :P |
| 15:11.53 | alterego | How long have you had it? |
| 15:11.55 | DocScrutinizer | :-) |
| 15:12.07 | GAN900 | Since end of last year. |
| 15:12.14 | jonwil | I cant get any wifi from meego |
| 15:12.19 | jonwil | also the backlight is now dark |
| 15:12.20 | alterego | GAN900: if you want an N8 upgrade send it to Nok repair ;) |
| 15:12.33 | alterego | "upgrade" |
| 15:12.39 | GAN900 | Hehe |
| 15:12.40 | alterego | jonwil: usb .. |
| 15:12.46 | GAN900 | I'll wait until the N9s are out |
| 15:12.52 | GAN900 | Maybe I'll get lucky |
| 15:12.54 | alterego | Heh |
| 15:12.57 | alterego | I doubt it .. |
| 15:13.28 | alterego | I think I might work on my digital compass+accel orientation widget :) |
| 15:13.40 | alterego | It's a sphere, obviously ^.^ |
| 15:14.20 | jonwil | does meego include usbnet by default? |
| 15:14.36 | alterego | jonwil: it's the default state yeah |
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| 15:15.46 | jonwil | ok, so how do |
| 15:15.51 | jonwil | I use usbnet then if it wont work on linux |
| 15:16.14 | jonwil | on my gentoo |
| 15:17.01 | jonwil | I can see the drivers on windows |
| 15:17.07 | jonwil | for obex, phonet |
| 15:17.10 | RST38h | Google mystified other participants in an auction for patents last week by their choice of bids. They weren't the round regular numbers that are normally expected. After first bidding $1,902,160,540 a reference to Brun's constant and later bidding $2,614,972,128 for the Meissel-Mertens constant, they ended up submitting a bid for $3.14159 billion. |
| 15:17.14 | jonwil | what do I do to use usbnet? |
| 15:18.29 | jonwil | ok, found the info |
| 15:18.52 | Shapeshifter | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=73315 what is this about? magic speed patch, did anyone try it? |
| 15:18.57 | RST38h | In the rest of the auction Google also bet the distance between the earth and the sun and a few other odd values. |
| 15:19.20 | RST38h | Shapeshifter: bullshit. |
| 15:20.46 | jonwil | nope, cant get usbnet to work on windows or linux |
| 15:21.10 | Shapeshifter | I love how they all spell 'overclock'... |
| 15:21.12 | Shapeshifter | PS: DIDN'T OVERLOAKED |
| 15:22.25 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: WTF?! |
| 15:22.38 | RST38h | Doc: Which F are you relating to? |
| 15:23.06 | DocScrutinizer | Google's F |
| 15:23.25 | DocScrutinizer | do you see the 14 "F" in "Google"? |
| 15:24.47 | DocScrutinizer | A: a word with 14 "F" - Q: What's Google? |
| 15:25.15 | RST38h | Doc: I see 10^100 in Google |
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| 15:27.51 | psycho_oreos | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-T_w_QXXms |
| 15:31.43 | DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: overlocaking ROTFL |
| 15:32.31 | DocScrutinizer | mere GOLD >> 6-) Also Noticed that overcloaking while the patch is installed gets more effective ex: without the patch overloaking to 700 mhz gives no better performance But when the patch is installed overloaking to 700 mhz is just like overlocaking to 900 mhz without the patch |
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| 15:33.15 | gri | wow, quim gil works on saturdays? 4th round is there |
| 15:33.23 | DocScrutinizer | yoh |
| 15:33.28 | hiemanshu | wow nice |
| 15:33.56 | MoonTiger | hiemanshu, hey :) |
| 15:34.06 | DocScrutinizer | no news on the Launchpad / Device Distrubution front though :-S |
| 15:34.24 | DocScrutinizer | I gather nobody's working on Saturdays in Tampere ;-D |
| 15:34.28 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: be patient, and rant about aegis :P |
| 15:34.32 | MoonTiger | so just a quick follow up from last night... when i run the app without starting it from the qtcreator madde thing it works |
| 15:34.34 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 15:34.36 | DocScrutinizer | OK |
| 15:34.47 | DocScrutinizer | AEGIS AEGIS AEGIS AEGIS AEGIS WAAAAAH!!! |
| 15:34.58 | MoonTiger | whats wrong with the aegis thing? |
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| 15:35.44 | DocScrutinizer | MoonTiger: It's the incarnation of DRM and trusted platform as invented by the copyright industry -basically it disowns you from your device |
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| 15:36.02 | MoonTiger | DocScrutinizer, and its on the N9??? |
| 15:36.04 | hiemanshu | MoonTiger: maybe because you are placing the db in the wrong palce? |
| 15:36.13 | DocScrutinizer | MoonTiger: it's on N950 |
| 15:36.19 | MoonTiger | hiemanshu, i think its to do with the way it gets run from the madde thing |
| 15:36.24 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: what is? |
| 15:36.25 | DocScrutinizer | MoonTiger: nobody knows if it will be on N9 |
| 15:36.28 | MoonTiger | DocScrutinizer, unbelievable |
| 15:36.44 | MoonTiger | no way im buying one then |
| 15:37.05 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: what sort of drm? |
| 15:37.06 | hiemanshu | MoonTiger: ah ok |
| 15:37.25 | MoonTiger | i mean it has to be on the N9 no? they are in bed with MS now and if the dev device has it it will have to be on the prod device no? |
| 15:37.32 | DocScrutinizer | MoonTiger: wait and don't worry, aegis might get nuked before any N9 hits the market |
| 15:37.44 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: what is it meant to do? |
| 15:38.02 | MoonTiger | DocScrutinizer, im still not sure about the N9 .... i have an android device if i want touch screen .... i want a keyboard |
| 15:38.25 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: dunno what it's *meant* to do on N950, the question however is what it *can* do and what it *will* do |
| 15:38.36 | MoonTiger | hiemanshu, the madde ting starts the app from a remote ssh link .... i wonder if it is running as a diff user id |
| 15:38.44 | jacekowski | what is it doing now? |
| 15:38.50 | hiemanshu | MoonTiger: developer mostly |
| 15:38.55 | DocScrutinizer | getting in the way ;-D |
| 15:39.10 | MoonTiger | that doesnt have write permissions for the db file |
| 15:39.14 | MoonTiger | or something |
| 15:39.15 | jacekowski | what is going to stop working if you just disable it? |
| 15:39.18 | MoonTiger | makes no sense tho |
| 15:39.33 | MoonTiger | jacekowski, prolly the media decoding etc |
| 15:39.49 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: you can sorta disable it, but then no more access to "trusted" parts |
| 15:39.50 | MoonTiger | otherwise no point having it there |
| 15:39.51 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: so 11 devices and 22 people left |
| 15:40.22 | DocScrutinizer | hiemanshu: I don't follow closely anymore, but sounds about right |
| 15:40.32 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: I checked :P |
| 15:40.46 | hiemanshu | I barely know a few people out of the 250 |
| 15:40.52 | ali1234 | did anyone get any forther with the rootfs.lzo? |
| 15:41.13 | DocScrutinizer | hi ali1234 :-D |
| 15:41.29 | ali1234 | i posted a script to uncompress it earlier |
| 15:41.40 | DocScrutinizer | I've heard no success stories with this special "lzo" flavour |
| 15:41.41 | ali1234 | but the resulting fs image is not mountable despite being obviously uncompressed |
| 15:41.52 | ali1234 | so i must have not quite got all the subtleties |
| 15:42.01 | MohammadAG | ali1234, how did you uncompress it? |
| 15:42.02 | DocScrutinizer | ooooh |
| 15:42.09 | DocScrutinizer | you uncompressed it? |
| 15:42.13 | ali1234 | http://paste.ubuntu.com/636855/ |
| 15:42.14 | ali1234 | yes |
| 15:42.19 | DocScrutinizer | kudos |
| 15:42.24 | ali1234 | it's not a lzop file at all |
| 15:42.35 | hiemanshu | ali1234: did you try using ndb for mounting it? |
| 15:42.36 | ali1234 | lzop is like a zip file with archive records, this is just one big file |
| 15:42.55 | jonwil | going to go the mmc route |
| 15:43.00 | ali1234 | but it's split into chunks and each one has a header, then you lzo decompress each chunk |
| 15:43.03 | jonwil | and back up my rootfs to my microsd |
| 15:43.12 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: check meego developers wiki, topic security framework (or sth like that) |
| 15:43.23 | ali1234 | hiemanshu: i only tried to loop mount it, it didn't work, sais invalid journal inode |
| 15:43.25 | ShadowJK | thought lzo and lzop were different compression formats |
| 15:43.36 | ali1234 | ShadowJK: no, they are not |
| 15:44.05 | hiemanshu | ShadowJK: lzo is format, and lzop is the app used to compress/decompress lzo |
| 15:44.15 | ali1234 | even that isn't really correct |
| 15:44.28 | SpeedEvil | Oh well - my request for reconsideration for n950 was turned down. Not surprising really - the apps section of my proposal was paper thing. |
| 15:44.30 | SpeedEvil | thin |
| 15:44.31 | ali1234 | lzop is to lzo what tar and gzip are to libgz |
| 15:45.50 | ali1234 | s/libgz/zlib/ |
| 15:46.21 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: a pity nevertheless, your contributions to wiki alone were more than worth it, to enable other devels do their job |
| 15:47.03 | SpeedEvil | I should have started learning Qt a month earrlier. |
| 15:47.03 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: so how long are the devices being loaned to us for? |
| 15:47.14 | DocScrutinizer | unclear |
| 15:47.28 | hiemanshu | or is really even a loan? |
| 15:47.32 | DocScrutinizer | unclear |
| 15:47.34 | hiemanshu | +it |
| 15:47.34 | GAN900 | As long as needed. |
| 15:47.35 | ali1234 | theres a wiki page somewhere that says "as long as required" |
| 15:47.48 | SpeedEvil | hiemanshu: I don't think anyone has been asked for their dev n900s back. |
| 15:47.50 | GAN900 | hiemanshu, Nokia often uses the term loan. |
| 15:47.51 | SpeedEvil | I may be wrong. |
| 15:48.01 | hiemanshu | GAN900: ah ok |
| 15:48.08 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: N900 is a mass product |
| 15:48.09 | GAN900 | It seems to infrequently relate to the actual definition |
| 15:48.16 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: true |
| 15:48.17 | GAN900 | But it's easier on the taxes. |
| 15:48.26 | DocScrutinizer | obviously Nokia is short on N950 though |
| 15:48.42 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: But n950 in 6 or 12 months time is not going to be desired. |
| 15:49.20 | DocScrutinizer | I gather as much, yeah. OTOH another devel might urgently need a device in just 8 weeks |
| 15:49.42 | SpeedEvil | True. |
| 15:49.52 | DocScrutinizer | so those N950 definitely are no giveaways |
| 15:50.41 | SpeedEvil | A mail every x weeks saying 'These are new proposals for n950 dev' - if you're not using your n900 for development, please consider returning it at our cost, so we can send it to someone who can better use it' ... |
| 15:50.47 | SpeedEvil | would be a good plan. |
| 15:51.05 | DocScrutinizer | will probably happen |
| 15:51.42 | DocScrutinizer | s/n900/N950/ |
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| 15:53.03 | ZogG | i want n950 =) |
| 15:53.12 | psycho_oreos | don't we all :p |
| 15:53.39 | hiemanshu | well I have quite a few apps to write/port, and then I want to help out with the meego-ce on the N950 |
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| 16:00.00 | DocScrutinizer | it's debatable if "helping meegoCE" is a valid rationale for keeping this particular loaner |
| 16:01.16 | DocScrutinizer | probably increasingly will be, on time passing by |
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| 16:03.13 | dm8tbr | it quite sure will be as nokia is not going to put its employees to help with it forever |
| 16:04.08 | hiemanshu | well I remember someone telling (not sure if its true) that nokia is making 10k N950s |
| 16:04.41 | DocScrutinizer | sounds reasonable though |
| 16:05.08 | DocScrutinizer | starting the manuf line for 500 or 1000 is nonsense |
| 16:05.10 | hiemanshu | why only 250 to community devs then? thats very low |
| 16:05.37 | MoonTiger | maybe they are making prod versions too? |
| 16:05.47 | MoonTiger | i would buy one |
| 16:06.22 | DocScrutinizer | there've been other rants about a planned 96k units |
| 16:06.55 | DocScrutinizer | real rumour though |
| 16:07.45 | MoonTiger | i still think the N950 was a prototype run of a planned device that got scrapped |
| 16:08.10 | DocScrutinizer | opening up the developer programe to mere mortal might be a way for Nokia to go. Still no warranty except for DOA, no support, no marketing... |
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| 16:08.50 | alterego | MoonTiger: the N950 was supposed to be released last year Q4 as the N9 |
| 16:09.01 | alterego | But it got delayed, a lot |
| 16:09.22 | SpeedEvil | Can anyone address at what time harmattan looked 'ready to ship' ? |
| 16:09.26 | MoonTiger | alterego, right so why are there so few? |
| 16:09.29 | DocScrutinizer | then there were issues with carriers not appreciating the mech quality, allegedly |
| 16:09.40 | alterego | MoonTiger: because it got scrapped. |
| 16:09.45 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: The hinge design looks damn fragile. |
| 16:09.52 | MoonTiger | they *must* have made more than 250 for a supposed prod launch |
| 16:09.58 | MoonTiger | right |
| 16:10.03 | MoonTiger | thats what i said |
| 16:10.04 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: right |
| 16:10.08 | MoonTiger | sighs |
| 16:10.25 | alterego | MoonTiger: no, but yes, they've made a lot more, but it never got to the point of production being ramped up for general sale. |
| 16:10.42 | MoonTiger | alterego, i don't think they did make a lot more |
| 16:10.43 | hiemanshu | SpeedEvil: isnt it similar to the E7 one? |
| 16:10.47 | alterego | So there are a lot more than 250 |
| 16:10.50 | MoonTiger | but we will all find out later i guess |
| 16:11.03 | alterego | MoonTiger: believe me there is in the region of thousands of them |
| 16:11.10 | alterego | Possible even 10s of thousands. |
| 16:11.18 | SpeedEvil | Billions! |
| 16:11.31 | SpeedEvil | They were going to give them out free toeveryone in the world, including babies. |
| 16:11.38 | MoonTiger | alterego, i will believe you ... when i see them |
| 16:11.39 | SpeedEvil | Take over the market! |
| 16:11.46 | alterego | The 250 figure is purely what has been alotted for free open source developers through MeeGo.com |
| 16:11.59 | alterego | MoonTiger: you'll never see them becauser they're not for sale. |
| 16:12.06 | MoonTiger | well they cannot possibly sell anything with no warranty or support |
| 16:12.08 | alterego | They're packaged as devkits for the N9 |
| 16:12.13 | MoonTiger | it is illegal in most of the world |
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| 16:12.28 | alterego | sighs |
| 16:12.52 | MoonTiger | alterego, i mean see them as in... when they either start selling or someone finds a container full of them at the bottom of the sea |
| 16:13.40 | alterego | No one will sell them, I already told you, they're not for sale. |
| 16:13.52 | alterego | When has anyone said they were ever for sale? |
| 16:13.55 | alterego | No one .. |
| 16:13.55 | MoonTiger | and i already said i dont believe they exist in the numbers you claim |
| 16:13.57 | MoonTiger | ;) |
| 16:14.11 | alterego | That's because you're an idiot that can't read .. |
| 16:14.19 | MoonTiger | really? |
| 16:14.23 | alterego | Yes |
| 16:14.29 | MoonTiger | hmmmmm thanks |
| 16:14.48 | MoonTiger | maybe you could work on your conversation skills? |
| 16:14.59 | alterego | You obviously don't know what you're talking about, you said there are only 250, which is bullshit. |
| 16:15.13 | SpeedEvil | If you're at the point in the dev program where you've got a bug-free bit of hardware (or bug free enough) and the production chain is debugged - then 1K or so doesn't make sense to make. |
| 16:15.20 | MoonTiger | what i said is clearly visible up the screen |
| 16:15.30 | SpeedEvil | It's much more expensive per unit than 5k or 10k |
| 16:15.30 | MoonTiger | if you cannot understand it try rereading it |
| 16:15.42 | MoonTiger | shakes head |
| 16:15.55 | SpeedEvil | And if you are committed to selling it - you don't want to waste the cash, when you can make the things 30% cheaper. |
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| 16:16.43 | alterego | If you'd done some research, you'd know 250 to be distributed for developers through meego.com, There's about 50 being distributed through Qt Ambassador programme, there were about 30 given out in Helsink meego meetup this week, and developers can get them through nokia launchpad to devel apps for the N9 |
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| 16:17.11 | alterego | There are also a fair few prototypes in the hands of some people in Nokia and outside that helped develop the platform. |
| 16:17.19 | DocScrutinizer | MoonTiger: alterego: please gentlemen, stay polite |
| 16:17.26 | MoonTiger | alterego, if you cannot a) have a reasonable conversation without getting personal, or b) cannot read then please don't bother |
| 16:17.55 | MoonTiger | DocScrutinizer, agreed |
| 16:17.57 | ali1234 | 250+50+30 = over 9000, right? |
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| 16:18.21 | alterego | MoonTiger: ali1234 I said potentially, as they're pushing for apps through commercial vendors using them as devkits. |
| 16:18.28 | RST38h | 100500! |
| 16:18.36 | alterego | There are certainly in the rage of thousands |
| 16:18.41 | alterego | range .. |
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| 16:19.23 | MoonTiger | alterego, i know you want to believe that is so but until we see them we cannot know ... or have you actually seen them? |
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| 16:20.11 | alterego | MoonTiger: no, but they're not going to give all of them to free open source developers when they want commercial application support. |
| 16:20.19 | jonwil | this is pissing me off, I cant get usb networking working on either linux or windows, I cant get wifi going in meego and I cant get n900-meego to switch into mass storage mge |
| 16:20.33 | DocScrutinizer | MoonTiger: there are enough sound indicators to bet on a 4 digit number of N950 existing, if not more |
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| 16:21.13 | MoonTiger | all i am saying is when i see them i will believe it ... nokia have f**ked up enough lately and are now in bed with MS ... who knows what is going to happen next |
| 16:21.40 | MoonTiger | and thats *all* im saying |
| 16:21.45 | alterego | MoonTiger: you're never going to see them, why do you think you will? |
| 16:21.47 | MoonTiger | nobody has seen them |
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| 16:22.04 | MoonTiger | when they start to appear either for sale or for more developer give aways etc etc |
| 16:22.20 | DocScrutinizer | nobody will ever see >500 N950 on a pile anywhere ever |
| 16:22.22 | MoonTiger | if they exist we will see them *one day* |
| 16:22.28 | alterego | MoonTiger: Nokia Launchpad |
| 16:22.34 | DocScrutinizer | can we change topic now please? |
| 16:22.38 | MoonTiger | nokia launchpad? |
| 16:22.43 | MoonTiger | yes please |
| 16:22.45 | MoonTiger | can we |
| 16:22.46 | MoonTiger | ? |
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| 16:22.53 | alterego | MoonTiger: by your reasoning the N900 was never for sale or mass produced. |
| 16:23.13 | DocScrutinizer | alterego: please |
| 16:23.26 | alterego | MoonTiger: find someone that works in the Nokia warehouses and ask them how many N950 devkits there are, roughly. |
| 16:23.36 | alterego | Anyway, i'm off, bbl |
| 16:24.15 | SpeedEvil | MoonTiger: Nokia have no motivation to sell a small number - a few K - of an axed oen. |
| 16:24.17 | SpeedEvil | phone |
| 16:24.31 | SpeedEvil | MoonTiger: Simply as it would confuse their marketing. |
| 16:24.39 | SpeedEvil | And could do nothing positive to the brand image. |
| 16:24.41 | DocScrutinizer | and service, and whatnot |
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| 16:24.48 | MoonTiger | please end this conversation |
| 16:24.56 | MoonTiger | i have my opinion |
| 16:24.59 | MoonTiger | you have yours |
| 16:25.06 | MoonTiger | :) |
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| 16:25.19 | macmaN | does either of your opinions matter for anything? |
| 16:25.28 | jonwil | bingo, usbnet works, I had to manually run the ifconfig command on the n900 |
| 16:25.29 | macmaN | no provocation, just wondering |
| 16:25.30 | hiemanshu | http://i.imgur.com/GNeQr.jpg |
| 16:25.30 | DocScrutinizer | definitely no |
| 16:25.31 | MoonTiger | macmaN, no |
| 16:25.49 | hiemanshu | jonwil: on meego? you could use mad-developer |
| 16:25.51 | MoonTiger | looks at the kittens |
| 16:26.01 | macmaN | ok yeah then pink unicorns are the answer |
| 16:28.31 | DocScrutinizer | hands out a token to everyone, to receive a pink unicorn via launchpad |
| 16:28.56 | RST38h | Doc: is it edible? |
| 16:28.58 | DocScrutinizer | made of rubber ;-P |
| 16:29.13 | DocScrutinizer | like boots |
| 16:29.15 | RST38h | Doc: you mean, not edible but humpable? |
| 16:29.37 | DocScrutinizer | or tires |
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| 16:31.21 | ZogG | is n950's battery builtin as n(? |
| 16:31.25 | ZogG | n9?* |
| 16:32.26 | Kaadlajk | nope |
| 16:32.29 | dm8tbr | ZogG: you can remove the back-cover if you are determined |
| 16:32.42 | dm8tbr | inside is a standard BL-4D IIRC |
| 16:32.59 | ZogG | and n9 is builtin and not for change right? |
| 16:33.23 | macmaN | yep |
| 16:35.57 | DocScrutinizer | konttori said even N9 battery *can* be changed |
| 16:36.20 | DocScrutinizer | though it's obviously not exactly as simple as on N950 |
| 16:36.41 | frals | n950 is supereasy to change, just 4 screws |
| 16:36.42 | macmaN | ok so the casing is somehow splittable? |
| 16:36.58 | macmaN | after that its just superglue and done obv |
| 16:37.10 | frals | only problem is separating the backcover without breaking it ;D |
| 16:37.18 | MohammadAG | isn't it aluminum? |
| 16:37.19 | macmaN | i foresee some "there i fixed it" material in our future |
| 16:37.25 | DocScrutinizer | frals: achipa even considers "losing" those screws part of the deboxing of N950 :-) |
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| 16:39.25 | SpeedEvil | Well - kontorri mentioned swapping n9 screens multiple times, and diddn't meantion problems. |
| 16:39.28 | SpeedEvil | Which is a plus |
| 16:39.38 | DocScrutinizer | hehehe |
| 16:39.47 | SpeedEvil | So it musn't be _too_ bad for a skilled person to do. The battery'd be much easier. |
| 16:39.51 | DocScrutinizer | can mean different things |
| 16:40.06 | DocScrutinizer | yeah |
| 16:40.42 | alterego | I think there's a few screws then the screen and all should just pop out |
| 16:40.58 | DocScrutinizer | that's what konttori said |
| 16:40.59 | Jaffa | BTW, the N950 box has a program listing on it. Typing it in was like typing in BBC Model B programs from a computer magazine in the 80s. |
| 16:41.13 | Jaffa | Unfortunately, no qmlviewer, so I'll have to wait to fire it up in Qt Creator <sigh/> |
| 16:41.23 | Jaffa | Looks like it tweets something when you press a button |
| 16:41.59 | alterego | Yeah makes sense from some pics I've seen |
| 16:42.04 | frals | Jaffa: heh |
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| 16:42.18 | frals | Jaffa: watch the source *carefully* before trying it ;) |
| 16:42.43 | DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: lol - what does the program do? |
| 16:42.45 | frals | SpeedEvil: did he say he switched the screen himself? |
| 16:43.22 | SpeedEvil | frals: I think so. |
| 16:43.59 | frals | DocScrutinizer: pretends to send a tweet while in reality it might doing something less than that nice :) |
| 16:44.12 | DocScrutinizer | hehe |
| 16:44.14 | SpeedEvil | konttori_home: SpeedEvil, yeah, tons of times when I was changing the display to my device several times a day between different display batches. |
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| 16:45.10 | frals | cool |
| 16:45.16 | alterego | Jaffa: what do you mean by source? Shell commands or summink? |
| 16:46.05 | DocScrutinizer | frals: he also said the screen is probably >50% of the device's value in hw, iirc |
| 16:46.16 | alterego | Heh |
| 16:46.19 | frals | guess it might be easy once you do it. none in my team has dared doing it since its nigh impossible for us to get our hands on (spare) devices |
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| 16:46.35 | alterego | DocScrutinizer: probably because of the branded "Gorilla Glass" |
| 16:46.39 | macmaN | Jaffa: yeah self signed ssl certs are frcked |
| 16:46.50 | alterego | It's like Karl Zeiss, they pay for the branding, |
| 16:46.59 | macmaN | Jaffa: what about OCRing that biatch |
| 16:47.16 | alterego | Nokia actually manufacture the optics, but they go through a CZ certification. |
| 16:47.23 | macmaN | maybe they stored the program in a qr code somewhere on the box too |
| 16:49.36 | alterego | bbl |
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| 16:50.57 | jonwil | ok, so I think I am finally close to having a working phone again. Plan is to copy off the contents of my rootfs now that I can do it |
| 16:51.01 | jonwil | and then reflash |
| 16:51.08 | jonwil | I am not sure which flash files I need to flash though |
| 16:51.42 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 16:51.55 | SpeedEvil | What did you need that was on the roots to bother? |
| 16:52.21 | jonwil | not 100% sure but I know I need things from it |
| 16:52.24 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 16:52.38 | DocScrutinizer | jonwil: |
| 16:52.40 | SpeedEvil | A howto would be awesome. |
| 16:52.41 | DocScrutinizer | ~flash |
| 16:52.41 | infobot | well, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 16:53.02 | jonwil | ok, given that I have meego on there, what steps do I take to keep meego but re-flash maemo? |
| 16:53.11 | jonwil | I mean meego on emmc alongside maemo |
| 16:53.54 | DocScrutinizer | jonwil: follow the steps in there^^^ - then maybe add a uBoot enabled kernel to dualboot |
| 16:54.33 | Jaffa | alterego: It's a bunch of QML |
| 16:54.40 | DocScrutinizer | or follow whatever else been your favourite method to boot into meego |
| 16:54.43 | Jaffa | frals: Let me guess, it actually says "don't give your password away, n00b" |
| 16:54.58 | Jaffa | frals: I feel it'd be cheating to just type the URLs in on my desktop though! |
| 16:55.44 | jonwil | ok, good I dont need to flash emmc, just combined |
| 16:55.46 | jonwil | or maybe only kernel |
| 16:55.51 | jonwil | not sure at this point |
| 16:55.54 | jonwil | will try kernel only first |
| 16:55.57 | jonwil | then combined |
| 16:56.01 | jonwil | and if that doesnt work, emmc |
| 16:56.33 | DocScrutinizer | jonwil: you'll need full combined I'd say |
| 16:56.58 | jonwil | well lets try and see |
| 16:57.05 | DocScrutinizer | aah, well, yes try kernel only first |
| 16:57.06 | jonwil | how do I know which country version I want? |
| 16:57.20 | jonwil | being aussie I am guessing global |
| 16:57.21 | DocScrutinizer | you always want international |
| 16:57.31 | DocScrutinizer | global that is, yeah |
| 16:57.41 | jonwil | so I want the one labeled "Latest Maemo 5 Global release for Nokia N900 "? |
| 16:57.50 | DocScrutinizer | yup |
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| 16:58.00 | jonwil | ok, great |
| 16:58.33 | DocScrutinizer | nevertheless make sure it's the right version |
| 16:59.13 | DocScrutinizer | 20.2010.36-2 |
| 16:59.22 | jonwil | yep, thats it |
| 16:59.39 | DocScrutinizer | MR0 is global iirc |
| 17:02.02 | jonwil | now I just need to emerge an sftp client to copy the current rootfs contents off |
| 17:02.07 | jonwil | which I am doing now |
| 17:02.42 | ruskie | if you have ssh you have scp ;) |
| 17:03.52 | jonwil | yeah I have scp but its a pain |
| 17:03.58 | jonwil | besides, I need a good FTP client on my gentoo box anyway |
| 17:04.02 | jonwil | filezilla ftw |
| 17:04.05 | ruskie | why is it a pain? |
| 17:04.20 | jonwil | its just annoying |
| 17:04.22 | ruskie | actually probably the best way is plain ssh |
| 17:04.26 | jonwil | due to how things are mounted |
| 17:04.27 | obcecado | have you tried lftp ? |
| 17:04.35 | jonwil | already emerging filezilla |
| 17:04.39 | jonwil | which should work just fine |
| 17:04.43 | ruskie | tar whatever | ssh remotehost "cat > file.tar" |
| 17:05.30 | ruskie | that's how I do the backup ;) |
| 17:06.20 | ruskie | can do the same thing with dd ;) |
| 17:09.22 | jonwil | just need to wait for wxwidgets to finish emerging |
| 17:09.38 | ruskie | hehe |
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| 17:10.26 | hiemanshu | this is why you should run a binary distro :P |
| 17:10.31 | ruskie | naaahhh |
| 17:10.44 | ruskie | just stop using all those 200mb in ram graphical tools |
| 17:11.22 | hiemanshu | or just use a binary distro :P |
| 17:12.36 | frals | Jaffa: I actually don't know for sure, but from the quick glance I had it sent the username and password to some IP server which looked less than trustworthy ;) |
| 17:12.42 | frals | -server |
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| 17:12.53 | frals | or s/IP/web/ |
| 17:13.02 | jonwil | I like gentoo :) |
| 17:13.43 | ruskie | hiemanshu, binary distros lock your choices unless you rebuild 90% of them |
| 17:15.06 | ruskie | I don't want to use udev, hal, *kit, and a bunch of other completly pointless tools that actually don't give me any benefit unless I bother configuring them... |
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| 17:15.15 | Jaffa | frals: I could change my Twitter password for two seconds ;-) |
| 17:17.44 | DocScrutinizer | in IRC publishing such stuff is a kickban :-P |
| 17:18.04 | DocScrutinizer | I'm amazed Nokia publishes same stuff printed on a box |
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| 17:20.04 | Jaffa | It's quite cool as a concept |
| 17:20.08 | Jaffa | Since it's a "dev kit" |
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| 17:23.34 | DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: could you list the box content? |
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| 17:24.43 | Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: The box? It contains an N950, a quick start guide, a USB cable |
| 17:25.04 | Jaffa | It's about 3/4 of the size of a CD-ROM drive |
| 17:26.09 | DocScrutinizer | I'm puzzled it has no charger, gathered that from the quickstart quide as of FCC but thought it's just a fuzzy part of the description there |
| 17:26.57 | DocScrutinizer | wonders idly about fastcharger detection scheme used for N9(50) |
| 17:28.36 | Jaffa | Plugged it into a std USB cable and my car socket -> USB port adapter and it said "Not enough current to charge" |
| 17:30.00 | dm8tbr | meh, doesn't recognize the short- d+ and d- thing? |
| 17:30.29 | dm8tbr | because IIRC that's what all the chinese cheap chargers are doing, or was it a resistor? |
| 17:30.29 | Jaffa | dm8tbr: I dunno if the car charger does that. Most things on the market seem to be *really* lax on that point; only Nokia get stroppy |
| 17:32.24 | DocScrutinizer | most cheap noname chargers simp,y do nothing, neither D+- short nor ID-pin resistor, nor the screwed apple-alike resistor voltage-deviders on D+ and D- |
| 17:34.00 | DocScrutinizer | just because there are so many different conflicting methods to signal fastcharging, it puzzles me a bit that Nokia doesn't give a solid hint on what's going to be used for N9 |
| 17:35.06 | DocScrutinizer | meh, I'll have to find out about the hardware - then I'll know for good |
| 17:35.59 | dm8tbr | I'd expect they'll be compatible with themselves? |
| 17:36.18 | dm8tbr | iow the nokia plug chargers with micro-usb connector |
| 17:38.06 | DocScrutinizer | yoh, quite probably |
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| 17:42.45 | DocScrutinizer | (btw those do D+- short, just in case you wonder) |
| 17:43.00 | hiemanshu | ruskie: well, really doesn't matter much to me, I can work around them :P |
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| 17:46.05 | Jaffa | Yeah, Nokia seem to take the spec literally, word for word. Whereas everyone else is variable and/or aims for Apple compatibility |
| 17:46.35 | Atarii | is there anyway to specify in the "Desktop Entry" .desktop file that an application should run fullscreen (without the toolbar) ? |
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| 17:47.55 | Jaffa | Atarii: Only if the app supports such a command line option, AFAIK |
| 17:49.21 | Atarii | ok thanks |
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| 18:23.28 | jonwil | finally have a phone that seems to work again, just reflashed rootfs |
| 18:23.32 | jonwil | and I think its booting |
| 18:23.39 | jonwil | then all I need to do is copy old settings from old rootfs |
| 18:23.44 | jonwil | and boom, phone works again I hope |
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| 18:24.14 | jonwil | ok, now its sitting at the ..... screen and doing nothing |
| 18:24.52 | jonwil | I never thought I would be so happy to see the Nokia hands logo |
| 18:24.54 | hiemanshu | jonwil: just wait for a bit |
| 18:24.59 | hiemanshu | jonwil: hah |
| 18:25.31 | jonwil | good, my emmc is fine |
| 18:25.35 | jonwil | so I havent lost my wallapers |
| 18:25.46 | achipa | DocScrutinizer: it's not a consideration - it's a fact ;) |
| 18:25.59 | jonwil | oh wait, spoke too soon |
| 18:26.14 | DocScrutinizer | achipa: :-D |
| 18:26.45 | jonwil | so yeah given that my phone works again and that its now 2:30am here, I will turn off R&D mode and go to bed |
| 18:26.57 | jonwil | then tommorow I restore the missing bits of my phone |
| 18:27.26 | jonwil | and then install whatever that thing is that can autobackup every possible user setting and autorestore without much work |
| 18:27.44 | hiemanshu | hmm, http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=24583&postcount=324 seems interesting |
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| 18:28.54 | Atarii | do the "script to speed up your N900" from the forums actually work? |
| 18:30.38 | achipa | SpeedEvil: as for the screen switch - yes, doable, but you need to know what you are doing, and certainly not something I'd recommend 'on the go' (unlike the N9[0|5]0 which you can reload while hanging from a helicopter) |
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| 18:32.57 | jonwil | so yeah I have decided not to mess with files in /etc in future |
| 18:33.18 | jonwil | although I now have a simple means to restore my phone to health without much work should I need to |
| 18:33.30 | jonwil | i.e. boot into meego, use usbnet, fix it (or back up then reflash) |
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| 18:46.01 | DocScrutinizer | jonwil: have a look at robiethe1st's backupmenu |
| 18:46.07 | jonwil | yeah I plan to |
| 18:46.40 | frals | hm, anyone happens to have any solid information on LTE deployment worldwide? |
| 18:47.10 | DocScrutinizer | as long as linux starts up at all, you should be able to restore from backupmenu within seconds |
| 18:47.54 | DocScrutinizer | if the linux kernel doesn't start up at all, you'll have to reflash rootfs and install backupmenu |
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| 18:49.12 | DocScrutinizer | frals: allegedly in Sweden or Finland or Norway they have some cities where LTE is available to the public |
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| 18:50.01 | frals | DocScrutinizer: yes, Stockholm (.SE) and Oslo (.NO) has had it for ~years now... Saw someone claiming US is leading LTE deployment thou |
| 18:50.09 | frals | which kinda took me by surprise |
| 18:50.23 | DocScrutinizer | unclear |
| 18:50.50 | frals | but then on the other hand i never understood what is the official definition of LTE, since some consider WiMax == LTE |
| 18:50.51 | DocScrutinizer | they market some thing called 4G over there, but it's not clear to me what exactly this is |
| 18:51.16 | frals | and then some devices are labeled 4G but seem to be 3.5G only according to spec sheet |
| 18:52.07 | DocScrutinizer | frals: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_Term_Evolution |
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| 18:53.08 | DocScrutinizer | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3GPP_Long_Term_Evolution |
| 18:53.47 | frals | DocScrutinizer: thanks |
| 18:54.31 | frals | apparently "leading deployment" means most LTE basestations... which might be true, since I guess SE/NO/DK needs a lot fewer base stations per country than US, heh |
| 18:57.39 | DocScrutinizer | also the LTE = WiMax idea probably stems solely from the all-IP design of LTE that's of course also found in WiMax |
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| 19:01.01 | DocScrutinizer | >>Part of the LTE standard is the System Architecture Evolution, a flat IP-based network architecture designed to replace the GPRS Core Network and ensure support for, and mobility between, some legacy or non-3GPP systems, for example GPRS and WiMAX respectively.<< |
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| 19:22.00 | vi___ | hello |
| 19:22.23 | vi___ | what does the 'powersave' function in screen settings do? |
| 19:24.10 | SpeedEvil | how long the screen waits till blanking |
| 19:24.14 | SpeedEvil | oh - the ohter one? |
| 19:24.20 | vi___ | yes |
| 19:24.26 | vi___ | it is a tickbox |
| 19:24.29 | SpeedEvil | It dims the backlight if there is a dimp picture |
| 19:24.35 | SpeedEvil | dim picture |
| 19:24.43 | SpeedEvil | with no bright white on it |
| 19:25.16 | DocScrutinizer | yep, seems it's directly related to that function in LCD module |
| 19:25.34 | vi___ | interesting |
| 19:25.37 | DocScrutinizer | dynamic backlight foobar |
| 19:27.06 | DocScrutinizer | It can massively reduce power consumption on e.g watching videos |
| 19:27.56 | DocScrutinizer | vi___: the idea is that it makes no sense to power up BL to full brightness just to dim down the whole screen to black via the LCD |
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| 19:29.13 | vi___ | I guess I should have it switched on then! |
| 19:29.30 | DocScrutinizer | probably yes ;-) |
| 19:29.48 | DocScrutinizer | dunno why it's user selectable at all |
| 19:30.29 | vi___ | how can I toggle allowing TS to wake up n900? |
| 19:30.43 | vi___ | If I enable autolock TS does not wake it up |
| 19:31.01 | vi___ | if I disable AL, TS will wake it up |
| 19:31.07 | vi___ | which is good |
| 19:31.15 | DocScrutinizer | well, you *might* notice adverse effects e.g on a completely black screen with a small blinking white dot. With dynamic baclight you may notice distrubing effects in the black area die to black in LCD is never 100% |
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| 19:31.52 | vi___ | However when I change the value of AL gconf it has no effect |
| 19:31.59 | vi___ | do you have any thoughts in this? |
| 19:32.57 | DocScrutinizer | probably an mce related issue rather than gconf |
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| 19:34.11 | DocScrutinizer | alas mce isn't really flexible on configuration of handling many of the functional details, and mce is closed as we all know |
| 19:34.12 | vi___ | so I should try restarting mce...what is the safest way to do this? stop mce, killall mce, pkill mce, dsme <somthing. mce? |
| 19:34.39 | DocScrutinizer | stop, sleep, start |
| 19:35.28 | DocScrutinizer | may still cause nasty effects |
| 19:35.43 | DocScrutinizer | but, see above... ^^^ |
| 19:38.23 | DocScrutinizer | I'd really like to see mce RE'd, rather than the much-tackled bme |
| 19:39.22 | DocScrutinizer | and mce even has better chances to get cloned, now that a later version is FOSSed for meego |
| 19:45.34 | vi___ | does anyone know anything about gpe-calendar on the n900? |
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| 19:50.49 | vi___ | specifically howTF I can get it to sync with anything. |
| 19:51.03 | vi___ | i.e. documentation that wasnt written in 2005 for the N770 |
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| 19:52.04 | DocScrutinizer | wb javispedro |
| 19:52.55 | DocScrutinizer | vi___: prolly gpe-calendar is kinda orphaned |
| 19:54.19 | vi___ | godammit the is annoying |
| 19:54.40 | vi___ | there seems to be NO combination of calendar/sync/tasks that actually works |
| 19:55.05 | GeneralAntilles | fails to see email from @nokia.com (minus Ovi spam) and goes to change a car battery. |
| 19:55.43 | hiemanshu | GeneralAntilles: its called filters :P |
| 19:56.11 | javispedro | HELO DocScrutinizer |
| 19:56.26 | hiemanshu | hey javispedro |
| 19:56.46 | javispedro | hi |
| 19:56.56 | javispedro | love how to spam refers to me as "Dear Mr. Maemo" |
| 19:57.00 | javispedro | s/how to/how/ |
| 19:57.19 | DocScrutinizer | mehehe |
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| 19:58.50 | DocScrutinizer | karma dropped "Blogs" and distributed the 4 points equally to Itt-thanks and discussion ;-P |
| 19:59.16 | DocScrutinizer | wonders who's constantly messing around with this nonsense |
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| 20:00.16 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: AEGIS! :P |
| 20:00.21 | DocScrutinizer | and DAMNIT could this thing finally get renamed to tmo-thanks KTHNXBYE |
| 20:00.41 | DocScrutinizer | :-P |
| 20:01.29 | DocScrutinizer | yawns |
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| 20:07.01 | vi___ | n900 calendar==completely fucking useless |
| 20:07.44 | javispedro | vi___: you better get used to it. not going to find anything better. |
| 20:08.23 | vi___ | its not fair |
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| 20:09.45 | MoonTiger | hiemanshu, i got the db stuff sorted out now .... thnx again for the help :) |
| 20:10.10 | MoonTiger | vi___, whats wrong with it for you? |
| 20:10.59 | hiemanshu | MoonTiger: np :D |
| 20:11.57 | cehteh | hey emacs runs on the n900 you can use its calendar and org-mode at least :P |
| 20:12.06 | vi___ | look |
| 20:12.07 | vi___ | at |
| 20:12.08 | vi___ | my |
| 20:12.09 | vi___ | name |
| 20:12.14 | vi___ | and say that to my face |
| 20:12.15 | cehteh | but really .. the n900 calendar is a joke |
| 20:12.32 | cehteh | yeah bad for you .. but emacs has a vi emulation too :P |
| 20:12.48 | vi___ | ape it's betters aye? |
| 20:12.51 | cehteh | resistance is futile :P |
| 20:12.55 | hiemanshu | vi___: sure, vi is not emacs, but enter is a punctuation mark either |
| 20:13.06 | cehteh | has vi a calendar? |
| 20:13.19 | vi___ | ...it has line edit mode |
| 20:13.24 | vi___ | ... |
| 20:13.26 | vi___ | no |
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| 20:15.28 | xur17 | I need to get a package removed from extras-devel (I previously uploaded a package with an incorrect version number, so now I can't upload one with the correct version number). |
| 20:15.38 | xur17 | Is anyone in here able to do that? |
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| 20:16.02 | xur17 | Or know who I need to speak to? |
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| 20:19.28 | DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: |
| 20:20.50 | RST38h | has built all his stuff for the goddamn Android |
| 20:20.51 | DocScrutinizer | really wonders why there's no rollback |
| 20:21.00 | RST38h | nasty. |
| 20:21.16 | DocScrutinizer | /kick RST38h |
| 20:21.25 | javispedro | high treason |
| 20:21.37 | RST38h | Doc: Don't add insult to the injury... |
| 20:21.46 | javispedro | RST38h: when are you trying iOS? :) |
| 20:21.47 | DocScrutinizer | mehehe |
| 20:22.09 | RST38h | javispedro: the next day after I exit the closet! |
| 20:22.38 | DocScrutinizer | hands RST38h a nice large bucket |
| 20:22.58 | javispedro | You will probably find iOS more sane than android... except for their "only Mac dev-tools" policy. |
| 20:23.26 | RST38h | javispedro: Kinda don't wanna try |
| 20:23.58 | DocScrutinizer | idly hits F5 another time............ |
| 20:24.03 | ieatlint | i dunno, obj-c is pretty insane |
| 20:24.10 | javispedro | ieatlint: compare to java. |
| 20:24.14 | RST38h | another C preprocessor |
| 20:24.18 | RST38h | julst like C++ :) |
| 20:24.20 | javispedro | exactly. |
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| 20:24.29 | DocScrutinizer | meh |
| 20:24.30 | RST38h | javispedro: I have abstracted the java! |
| 20:24.30 | ieatlint | javispedro: java looks less crazy |
| 20:24.42 | javispedro | obj-c can be implemented with a plain old pure text preprocessor |
| 20:24.47 | javispedro | java is insane |
| 20:24.48 | RST38h | javispedro: it is safely locked in EMULib/Android/Java |
| 20:25.19 | ieatlint | i tried java once |
| 20:25.23 | ieatlint | let us never speak of it again |
| 20:25.26 | DocScrutinizer | objC used for NeXTstep - can't be bad |
| 20:25.43 | RST38h | just different |
| 20:26.43 | javispedro | RST38h: are you sure it is your library wrapping java, or java wrapping your library? =) |
| 20:27.04 | RST38h | javispedro: prefer not to think about it |
| 20:27.07 | javispedro | you still probably need to change it every time you do any new application, if only to change package/class names |
| 20:27.12 | hiemanshu | I learnt Java in school, now I am braindead |
| 20:27.23 | RST38h | javispedro: No, I spent half a day today fighting this particular problem |
| 20:27.46 | RST38h | javispedro: And now the evil toad has been defeated |
| 20:27.50 | javispedro | I bet the answer includes use of a preprocessor =) |
| 20:28.23 | RST38h | thought of that but it would be cheating |
| 20:29.09 | hiemanshu | well there is http://sourceforge.net/p/necessitas/home/necessitas/ |
| 20:29.09 | piggz | the message sending syntax in obj-c scared me the first time i saw it...i was looking through the code for a simple library, thinking...wtf |
| 20:29.13 | hiemanshu | which uses Qt Creator |
| 20:29.28 | piggz | hiemanshu: and works really quite will |
| 20:29.29 | javispedro | hiemanshu: and I'm sure it works as good as Gtk+ on Harmattan. |
| 20:29.40 | piggz | s/well |
| 20:29.56 | ieatlint | necessitas isn't terrible |
| 20:30.07 | ieatlint | just no qtmobility, and don't go near widgets |
| 20:30.17 | hiemanshu | javispedro: well its decent |
| 20:30.22 | hiemanshu | javispedro: better than java |
| 20:30.30 | ieatlint | need to do GUIs in qgraphicsview or qml |
| 20:30.38 | hiemanshu | yup |
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| 20:32.50 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, any ideas about what IRC client we should use for Harmattan? |
| 20:33.19 | cehteh | emacs :P |
| 20:33.27 | cehteh | .. err how about xchat? |
| 20:33.30 | RST38h | GAN: There is a KDE client |
| 20:33.35 | RST38h | GAN: I willtry portingthat |
| 20:33.41 | piggz | communi? |
| 20:33.42 | RST38h | XChat is probably a no go |
| 20:33.46 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, and by "we should use" I mean. "you'll find time in your busy schedule for me to grovel at your feet in appreciation". |
| 20:33.48 | cehteh | why that? |
| 20:33.52 | cehteh | no gtk? |
| 20:34.00 | RST38h | http://linux.maruhn.com/sec/kirc.html |
| 20:34.05 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, XChat is kinda bloated for the purpose anyway. |
| 20:34.11 | RST38h | Something likethis - KIRC |
| 20:34.13 | ieatlint | irsii is generally what works best on small screens |
| 20:34.19 | RST38h | looks likeit can be compiled without KDE too |
| 20:34.27 | GeneralAntilles | ieatlint, well, I hereby nominate you to package it. |
| 20:34.37 | cehteh | configured his xchat to be nice on small screen |
| 20:34.43 | piggz | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63675 |
| 20:34.58 | hiemanshu | RST38h: there is quassel2go for maemo |
| 20:35.00 | javispedro | probably we could very easily get enough of gtk+ working to get xchat working decently |
| 20:35.04 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, XChat on Maemo is quite nice. |
| 20:35.05 | hiemanshu | RST38h: and a meego version is being worked on |
| 20:35.09 | ieatlint | GeneralAntilles: i usually run mine over ssh on a server in a screen session |
| 20:35.14 | cehteh | dont make a too simple irc client ... |
| 20:35.20 | cehteh | (make/use) |
| 20:35.23 | javispedro | hildon apps are another story.. |
| 20:35.24 | GeneralAntilles | ieatlint, ah, yeah, good point. |
| 20:35.28 | cehteh | look at modest :P |
| 20:35.30 | GeneralAntilles | <- too much time in GUI client land. |
| 20:36.11 | hiemanshu | I like Quassel, works like irssi + screen, but with a nice GUI |
| 20:36.26 | RST38h | hiemanshu: would prefer a fully functional one |
| 20:36.43 | hiemanshu | RST38h: you can use it as a standalone client too |
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| 20:37.46 | ali1234 | ok, i got the rootfs.lzo unpacked for real this time |
| 20:37.52 | ali1234 | successfully mounted and everything |
| 20:38.09 | ali1234 | script here: http://al.robotfuzz.com/~al/maemo/unlzo |
| 20:38.57 | ali1234 | Hurrian: ^ |
| 20:39.46 | RST38h | still needs to update his stuff for Symbian^3 |
| 20:41.04 | RST38h | Oh shit, Android emulator is stuck again. |
| 20:41.15 | RST38h | Can they at least make it run for longer than 15 minutes? |
| 20:42.15 | piggz | ali1234: so, just copy /usr to your n900 and see what happens ;) |
| 20:42.20 | ali1234 | lolno |
| 20:42.34 | ali1234 | i will let someone else do that |
| 20:43.11 | GeneralAntilles | wonders about bothering to target Symbian^3 |
| 20:43.58 | cehteh | what will happen to QT when microsoft buys nokia? |
| 20:44.15 | cehteh | (in about 10 months or so :P) |
| 20:44.28 | RST38h | GAN:Well, got existing customers |
| 20:44.38 | RST38h | GAN: + it is not exactly dead yet! |
| 20:45.14 | piggz | s40 maybe |
| 20:45.30 | javispedro | well |
| 20:45.52 | javispedro | funny you mention it, cause there's a lot people wondering whether to bother targeting harmattan. |
| 20:45.54 | GeneralAntilles | Hrm, I guess Qt Components doesn't work with the Qt SDK's design mode? |
| 20:46.20 | javispedro | and I really hope they decide to do so. |
| 20:46.33 | piggz | clearly the n9 is going to be such a success it will force nokia to rethink its msft partership ;) |
| 20:46.49 | RST38h | javispedro: I will target Harmattan even if it is simply a form of protest :) |
| 20:47.32 | RST38h | javispedro: More specifically, I would like to add QML to my list of skills and attempt doing that project I toldyou about |
| 20:47.36 | javispedro | obviously we are all are :D |
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| 20:47.51 | javispedro | curses my stupid tendency to doubleword things. |
| 20:48.13 | javispedro | blames backwards english grammar vs native language's. |
| 20:48.27 | RST38h | opens a window, wonders what happens if the thunderstorm does strike tonight |
| 20:48.28 | GeneralAntilles | Silly Spanish |
| 20:49.08 | RST38h | - There are languages where two negatives mean a positive |
| 20:49.26 | RST38h | - There are also languages where two negatives mean a negative |
| 20:49.38 | MohammadAG | yo yo yo sup homies |
| 20:49.45 | RST38h | - But there is no language where two positive mean a negative! |
| 20:49.50 | RST38h | - YEA. RIGHT. |
| 20:49.56 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: nm, dawg :D |
| 20:50.20 | vi___ | MohammadAG: goodevening homeslice. |
| 20:50.22 | javispedro | and there are also languages where a single negative means a positive. usually spoken by women. |
| 20:50.39 | RST38h | javispedro: that is not language, that is logic! |
| 20:50.42 | MohammadAG | hiemanshu, yo dawg, I heard you like keyboards, so I removed them, sincerely, Nokia |
| 20:51.00 | RST38h | i.e. stays valid in any language |
| 20:51.10 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: I heard you like to hack, so I added aegis, love, Nokia |
| 20:51.32 | MohammadAG | actually, let's make that follow the meme |
| 20:52.02 | MohammadAG | yo dawg, I heard you like keyboards, so I put a keyboard in a keyboard and removed both, so you curse elop while you curse elop while hacking aegis! |
| 20:52.28 | RST38h | I think you have got a looping virus, folks |
| 20:52.40 | javispedro | RST38h: good point. |
| 20:53.18 | vi___ | yo dawg, I heard you liked keyboards so we put one on a phone you cannot buy. So you cant type on a phone you dont own. |
| 20:55.02 | MohammadAG | RST38h, yo dawg I heard you like loops, so we put a loop in your loop so you can wtf while you wtf |
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| 20:56.06 | vi___ | /s/so you can wtf while you wtf/so you can recursivley wtf |
| 20:56.11 | vi___ | /s/so you can wtf while you wtf/so you can recursivley wtf/ |
| 20:56.14 | vi___ | bah |
| 20:56.34 | RST38h | knows a coding-related joke about loops. It is too tasteless to tell outside a junior programming class though. |
| 20:56.50 | vi___ | now you have aroused my attention |
| 20:56.59 | RST38h | RIGHT. |
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| 21:01.42 | vi___ | waits for RST38h to deliver |
| 21:02.58 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: yo dawg, I heard you like to study, so we failed you AGAIN! :D |
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| 21:04.08 | Jaffa | just can't get the difference between recursion and iteration - I keep going over and over it, but I just can't get into it. |
| 21:04.40 | Jaffa | I'll get my coat. |
| 21:05.03 | dm8tbr | groans |
| 21:05.47 | vi___ | Jaffa: ... |
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| 21:06.44 | javispedro | Jaffa: hand in your geek card right now. As well as your N950. |
| 21:09.27 | javispedro | ... the geek club gentlemen tell me you can keep the card but not the N950, though. |
| 21:13.13 | RST38h | Jaffa: Recursion is where your stack grows |
| 21:13.24 | RST38h | Jaffa: I.e. you do not just loop, you call yourself |
| 21:13.54 | RST38h | Tail recursion (i.e. where you call yourself at the end of your function) can be effectively converted to iterations |
| 21:14.07 | javispedro | i think it was kind of a joke |
| 21:14.26 | RST38h | Maybe, yea, but I have not got it =E |
| 21:14.55 | javispedro | ooh |
| 21:15.04 | javispedro | so multitouch on te n9{50,} is handled by xinput2... |
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| 21:15.23 | javispedro | starts to feel slight pain even before checking out xinput2 headers |
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| 21:24.26 | noobmonk3y | blinks |
| 21:25.23 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: :-))) |
| 21:25.47 | noobmonk3y | MohammadAG / frals what have you lot done with lcuk? or has he gone soft! now he has a baby he takes time out from Ircing?! :P |
| 21:26.44 | ieatlint | geeks with kids is always a scary propsect |
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| 21:30.32 | DocScrutinizer | yo |
| 21:31.27 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: lemme guess... driver for that is completely closed? |
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| 21:32.01 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: didn't check it, it's just that the entire multitouching thing is pretty much a jungle atm |
| 21:32.20 | DocScrutinizer | lol, expected no less than that |
| 21:32.40 | DocScrutinizer | MT is a concept way too young in IT |
| 21:33.17 | DocScrutinizer | probably all APIs and whatnot will constatntly change on a weekly pace for the next say 5 years |
| 21:34.13 | javispedro | http://labs.qt.nokia.com/2010/12/15/touching-the-x11-2/ |
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| 21:35.16 | javispedro | before xinput2, they were asking the kernel for mt directly, bypassing x11 =) |
| 21:36.30 | DocScrutinizer | ooh new experimental xinput2.1, as of Dec 2010. Say, will it suffice when I check this site once a day for changes? |
| 21:37.33 | DocScrutinizer | you may feel pain, I start to feel nausea |
| 21:38.08 | DocScrutinizer | and I'm not even pondering to look at the headers |
| 21:38.10 | RST38h | the key moment is when you start feeling insanity crawling up |
| 21:38.24 | RST38h | Symbian has been known to cause that |
| 21:38.38 | DocScrutinizer | hehehe |
| 21:39.19 | DocScrutinizer | I love to watch peolpe on experiencing that moment |
| 21:39.28 | DocScrutinizer | people* |
| 21:40.10 | DocScrutinizer | maybe sybian designers felt similar |
| 21:41.01 | RST38h | Symbian designers are long beyond insanity now |
| 21:41.04 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: I wonder if sybian is better than symbian :D |
| 21:41.12 | RST38h | A moment (locating an article) |
| 21:41.39 | DocScrutinizer | hiemanshu: I bet the designers are quite happy people |
| 21:41.55 | GeneralAntilles | hiemanshu, gotta hook it up to an AppleScript so it discos the house lights and turns on all of the stereos when I get an @nokia.com email containing "N950". |
| 21:41.55 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: or maybe high |
| 21:42.06 | javispedro | do we know the max number of simultaneous touches on the n9 display? |
| 21:42.25 | hiemanshu | GeneralAntilles: haha, nice :D |
| 21:43.16 | hiemanshu | GeneralAntilles: I have a google email checker/notifier, maybe I can patch it to play 'I feel good' when it get an email containg N950 |
| 21:43.19 | RST38h | Doc,javispedro: Here, enjoy: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/11/03/symbian_utopia_lost/print.html |
| 21:43.55 | hiemanshu | is going insane trying to design a softphone |
| 21:44.04 | RST38h | (avoid eating immediately before or in the process of reading this) |
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| 21:44.55 | DocScrutinizer | GeneralAntilles: I wonder if (and when) Quim will send an informative mail ""(if you are not accidentally in this list) We just have sent the last bunch of AIDs to developer.nokia launchpad dudes. check following URL for something to happen"" |
| 21:45.25 | GeneralAntilles | javispedro, I heard at least 6. |
| 21:45.31 | javispedro | dammit |
| 21:45.34 | javispedro | pre has 5 |
| 21:45.43 | Hurrian | ali1234 : image mounted, beginning experiments. |
| 21:45.43 | javispedro | well. |
| 21:45.59 | javispedro | increases MAX_TOUCHES #define |
| 21:46.21 | Hurrian | ubi0:var /var ubifs noauto,no_chk_data_crc,bulk_read |
| 21:46.23 | Hurrian | what the |
| 21:46.55 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: 10 is a rather sane max |
| 21:47.00 | DocScrutinizer | ;-P |
| 21:47.18 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: but I can use my foot too? |
| 21:47.18 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: you mutant racist |
| 21:47.27 | DocScrutinizer | LOL |
| 21:47.52 | hiemanshu | javispedro: I can probably got 10 fingers and 6 toes on the 3.9" screen |
| 21:47.55 | hiemanshu | get* |
| 21:48.17 | javispedro | by then the capacitive screen wil probably be able to electrocute you |
| 21:48.51 | hiemanshu | its ok, I'll wear rubber slippers :P |
| 21:49.02 | DocScrutinizer | I'd say this is handled by generic -ETOMUCHTOUCHPONTS |
| 21:49.31 | DocScrutinizer | -EMAXTP even |
| 21:50.24 | DocScrutinizer | any UX designer telling me we need >10 will immediately get shot |
| 21:51.11 | hiemanshu | any ux designer telling me he needs to use more than 4 fingers needs to be shot, and have one hand chopped off |
| 21:51.48 | hiemanshu | s/and/or/ |
| 21:52.37 | DocScrutinizer | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bv3X5y-ajtc 0:10 |
| 21:54.03 | GeneralAntilles | hiemanshu, OK, script enabled. |
| 21:54.09 | GeneralAntilles | wishes he had an alarm siren. |
| 21:54.45 | DocScrutinizer | actually http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnQHoCDxiRw&NR=1 1:53 |
| 21:54.52 | javispedro | GeneralAntilles: in five years, when you have completely forgotten what Nokia was, suddenly your stereo will turn on indicating your Launchpad application has been approved, causing you a heart attack. |
| 21:55.19 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 21:55.25 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: games are different :D |
| 21:57.24 | hiemanshu | javispedro: well, if nokia is dead in 5 years, I can see apple at the top, and android being the next symbian |
| 21:57.25 | DocScrutinizer | hiemanshu: see, this separates the hotspurs from the considerate API designers |
| 21:57.41 | DocScrutinizer | a max of 10 seems ok |
| 21:57.45 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: agreed |
| 21:58.01 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: for something unlike that, for any normal workflow 4 is sane |
| 21:58.13 | DocScrutinizer | agreed |
| 21:58.45 | hiemanshu | is nokia changed the swipe to 2 finger instead of 1, it would avoid a lot of swiping mistakes |
| 21:58.59 | DocScrutinizer | HAH |
| 21:59.13 | DocScrutinizer | good point |
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| 21:59.48 | hiemanshu | esp if you have used an iPhone before, you will know how important swiping from the edge of the screen can be a times |
| 21:59.50 | DocScrutinizer | where's my gconf tweaker to set all those parameters?!? |
| 22:01.09 | javispedro | it's now CSS files. |
| 22:01.16 | javispedro | but I disagree. |
| 22:01.20 | javispedro | multitouch suckss. |
| 22:01.33 | hiemanshu | javispedro: sure, but when you have it, use it sanely |
| 22:01.42 | javispedro | everytime you require more than one finger, you've failed. |
| 22:02.04 | hiemanshu | everytime you require a fingure you have failed |
| 22:02.19 | javispedro | gimme my stylus! |
| 22:02.42 | hiemanshu | what stylus? use your brain waves |
| 22:02.56 | DocScrutinizer | gconftool -s t=int /maemo/swipe/swipegesturefingers 2 |
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| 22:04.18 | DocScrutinizer | actually scrolling with 2 fingers is the best part of my laptop's touchpad |
| 22:05.01 | DocScrutinizer | damn, why mt, why c-ts at all, when you're not *exploiting* it? |
| 22:05.17 | hiemanshu | exactly |
| 22:05.41 | hiemanshu | using mt just for pinching is like using a jet plane to go to work 5 mins away from home |
| 22:05.57 | GeneralAntilles | Multitouch is great for trackpads |
| 22:05.59 | DocScrutinizer | indeed |
| 22:05.59 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: because I still like to use this stuff singlehandedly from time to time. |
| 22:06.01 | GeneralAntilles | Gimmicky for mobile devices. |
| 22:06.42 | javispedro | prefers synaptic's circular scrolling instead of twofinger |
| 22:06.56 | DocScrutinizer | so what? javispedro do you need two hands to do a 2 finger swipe instead of a one-finger swipe? |
| 22:07.26 | javispedro | hm.. yes? |
| 22:07.40 | DocScrutinizer | o.O |
| 22:07.56 | Hurrian | ...awright. the SD card has been loaded with MeeGo software. |
| 22:08.06 | javispedro | ponders how to grab the thing stably so that I have more than thumb finger free. |
| 22:08.06 | Hurrian | uh... Harmattan software |
| 22:08.17 | DocScrutinizer | I start to get it why you had problems with MAX_TOUCHES #define |
| 22:08.18 | hiemanshu | javispedro: use your foots |
| 22:08.31 | hiemanshu | feet* |
| 22:08.50 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: sadly I only have one thumb finger per hand, dunno about you.. |
| 22:09.10 | DocScrutinizer | 2, like any decent parrot |
| 22:09.38 | Hurrian | now it would really suck, if it started writing to mtd1 |
| 22:11.07 | Hurrian | hopefully the meego kernel would disallow any freaky shit |
| 22:11.19 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: see, that's why we urgently need a API to *configure* such things like SWIPENUMFINGERS, T_DBLCLICK, SWIPEFRAMESIZE_PIX... |
| 22:11.54 | javispedro | yes, I was also being racist towards mutants here I think... |
| 22:12.29 | javispedro | ;P |
| 22:12.59 | DocScrutinizer | It's simply arrogant for a UX designer to think he got the only valid doubleclick-duration etc |
| 22:13.54 | DocScrutinizer | all those parameters need a proper API, nah even a proper settings tool OOTB |
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| 22:17.50 | DocScrutinizer | things like that auto-symbol/auto-bluekey, like what to do on doubleclick of $random(-button), like how many fingers to use for swipe gesture, how much damping / inertia kinetic scrolling got... all that is way more to the top of my list of important things user must have a way to control than such nonsense like wallpapers |
| 22:19.08 | DocScrutinizer | maybe it's just me and I'm going weird... |
| 22:19.17 | hiemanshu | I dont think I even change wallpapers on my phones/computers |
| 22:19.32 | DocScrutinizer | I never did |
| 22:20.12 | hiemanshu | well my N900 has the default theme/wallpaper, so does my computer, my gaming PC and about every other device I own |
| 22:20.15 | DocScrutinizer | well, I kicked out whatever wallpaper came with my desktop distro, and replaced it by a simple color gradient |
| 22:21.09 | javispedro | http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Blogs/resources/300003/datepicker.png is still useless. |
| 22:21.15 | javispedro | day of the week! please! |
| 22:21.27 | hiemanshu | the wallpaper on my gaming PC is a photo I clicked because the default W7 one is stupid and sasd |
| 22:21.28 | hiemanshu | sad* |
| 22:21.31 | DocScrutinizer | OMFG I don't dare to even peek |
| 22:22.03 | hiemanshu | javispedro: used the Qt default names :/ |
| 22:22.14 | DocScrutinizer | NOOOOOOOOOOOO ohnoooooes! |
| 22:22.20 | DocScrutinizer | again slotmachine |
| 22:22.55 | hiemanshu | well thats how the iPhone does it |
| 22:23.01 | hiemanshu | isn't suggesting anything though |
| 22:23.24 | DocScrutinizer | PFFFFFFFFF! More than good a reason to do it diferently, possibly better |
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| 22:25.48 | MohammadAG | slot machine method isn't bad |
| 22:25.54 | DocScrutinizer | zenity --calendar FTW! |
| 22:25.55 | MohammadAG | but hildon had a retarded bounce effect |
| 22:26.13 | DocScrutinizer | slot machine is nonsense |
| 22:26.15 | MohammadAG | so when you lift your finger it doesn't stay where it is |
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| 22:27.01 | DocScrutinizer | slotmachine is as uninspired as it possibly can get |
| 22:27.28 | DocScrutinizer | and, as javispedro noticed, still missing day-of-week |
| 22:28.06 | DocScrutinizer | I'm ~20 times faster with zenity --calendar than witj friggin slotmachine |
| 22:28.27 | noobmonk3y | blinks |
| 22:28.43 | SpeedEvil | They're optimising the first usecase over the normal. |
| 22:28.55 | SpeedEvil | The slotmachine is cool the first few times |
| 22:29.23 | javispedro | please learn: http://members.shaw.ca/guis/palmos41/calendar5.gif |
| 22:29.33 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: "we meet today in two weeks" |
| 22:29.56 | DocScrutinizer | "Friday in 3 weeks" |
| 22:30.06 | DocScrutinizer | "first monday of November" |
| 22:30.08 | DocScrutinizer | LOL |
| 22:30.39 | SpeedEvil | easter |
| 22:30.53 | DocScrutinizer | I want to see the UX gasheads entering "second monday of november" with their slotmachine |
| 22:31.38 | DocScrutinizer | week 38 |
| 22:31.38 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: even "next tuesday" is deadly hard. |
| 22:31.48 | javispedro | no need to get to brutal extremes |
| 22:32.17 | javispedro | when adding appointments, I'm usually the only one that looks at the ceiling, lost, making the mental calculation. |
| 22:32.36 | javispedro | every otherone in the meeting having lost that ability because their pim platform does it for them. |
| 22:32.37 | DocScrutinizer | this is so painfully ridiculously useless a widget, I'm out of words for it |
| 22:34.01 | Hurrian | ah, crap, n950 image messed up my device |
| 22:34.07 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: in maemo5 calendar you at least can click on a day in week- or month-view, to add a new appointment there |
| 22:34.33 | Hurrian | i'm pretty sure these are watchdog reboots |
| 22:34.35 | javispedro | mine boots to agendaview with prominent "add event" button so I always forget. |
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| 22:35.25 | hiemanshu | is out for the night |
| 22:35.41 | DocScrutinizer | too |
| 22:35.46 | Hurrian | brb, need a reflash |
| 22:36.25 | javispedro | hiemanshu: DocScrutinizer cya then. |
| 22:36.51 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: should we start a petition to Nokia "please get a decent usable date selector widget - nuke slotmachine" ? |
| 22:37.15 | DocScrutinizer | (for harmattan/N9) |
| 22:37.24 | javispedro | too late probably, though we could file the bug. |
| 22:37.37 | DocScrutinizer | indeed, highest priority |
| 22:37.53 | DocScrutinizer | idly wonders where to file bugs against harmattan |
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| 22:39.47 | javispedro | http://developer.nokia.com/bugs |
| 22:39.47 | mens | helo what is news on n950? |
| 22:40.09 | macmaN | can anyone log into Maps with their N950? |
| 22:40.18 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: http://www.developer.nokia.com/bugs/enter_bug.cgi |
| 22:40.19 | mens | oh it's the great emulator porter javispedro ! thank you |
| 22:40.42 | javispedro | hi. |
| 22:40.53 | hiemanshu | all hail javispedro! all hail javispedro! |
| 22:41.01 | mens | has someone make faster pulseaudio? |
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| 22:42.16 | javispedro | nope |
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| 22:43.18 | javispedro | though n950 might not need to do xprot |
| 22:43.26 | javispedro | and friends. |
| 22:43.34 | macmaN | i guess its not maps, its that nokia accounts isnt working on n950 |
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| 22:46.17 | DocScrutinizer | meh, I'll probably not contribute to developers.nokia.com - this site refuses to log me in when I use Konqueror, despite cookies enables, js enabled, modules enabled, and even browser-id set to FF-3x |
| 22:47.06 | DocScrutinizer | I'm just back to absolutely same login page |
| 22:47.45 | javispedro | aegis did a fullbody scan on your browser |
| 22:47.46 | DocScrutinizer | sorry Nokia :-S |
| 22:48.15 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: use lynx :D |
| 22:48.30 | DocScrutinizer | beats hiemanshu with aegis |
| 22:48.56 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: please dont beat me with a scumbag |
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| 22:50.53 | DocScrutinizer | ooh, forgot to mention: I of course cleaned out all old cookies of that site, no that there've been many |
| 22:51.41 | DocScrutinizer | (for meego.com I actually had to clean out a "session-end" cookie, and it finally allowed me to log in) |
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| 22:54.55 | hiemanshu | gah, its 4.30 am :/ |
| 22:54.58 | hiemanshu | is out for real |
| 22:55.18 | Hurrian | HAM, how i hate thee |
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| 22:56.22 | Hurrian | it is so buggy and slow |
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| 23:04.54 | DocScrutinizer | went via plain login URL instead of this redirection thing you get when you hit the loginscreen via e.g. http://www.developer.nokia.com/bugs/enter_bug.cgi. Deleted again *all* cookies related to *nokia*, accepted all cookies, ignored the recursive-link "404" screen of the browser by hitting F5, and TADAA voila: I'm logged in to developer.nokia |
| 23:05.31 | Hurrian | @DocScrutinizer : the new design's buggy? |
| 23:05.51 | javispedro | well, seems that Xinput2 looks mostly sane. |
| 23:06.01 | DocScrutinizer | the old one wasn't? :-P |
| 23:06.45 | Hurrian | anyone got the note on N950 firmware : DO NOT USE |
| 23:07.00 | Hurrian | nokia as expected did another Nokia |
| 23:07.07 | DocScrutinizer | developer.nokia *never* previously worked for me logging in, on Konqueror |
| 23:07.16 | Hurrian | (thanks qwerty12 for that expression ;) |
| 23:07.27 | Hurrian | needed to reflash D: |
| 23:07.29 | javispedro | Hurrian: the ddp devices have another firmware version seemignly |
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| 23:08.47 | DocScrutinizer | err wut? you mustn't flash the N950 with the only available N950 firmware image, or what? |
| 23:09.28 | Hurrian | no, i mean running the n950 image on the N900 |
| 23:09.37 | Hurrian | instant fs clobbering |
| 23:09.41 | DocScrutinizer | aaah |
| 23:09.47 | DocScrutinizer | sure |
| 23:10.19 | javispedro | why you'd want to do that, I mean, mtdswap probably instantly killed your rootfs. |
| 23:10.50 | javispedro | it's not like mtd partitions are nicely mapped out in a first sector, they're hardcoded |
| 23:10.51 | Hurrian | run N950 sw image -> hang on boot -> battery pull -> bootup M5 -> kernel panic -> startup -> Internal Errors Everywhere |
| 23:11.09 | Hurrian | var was the only one on a ubi partition |
| 23:11.17 | Hurrian | everything else was on ext4 and /mydocs |
| 23:11.30 | Hurrian | fun fact, /home is on a separate partition |
| 23:11.50 | javispedro | I'm not talking only about ubi. |
| 23:11.53 | javispedro | there's mtdswap. |
| 23:12.01 | Hurrian | hmm, didn't know about that |
| 23:12.17 | Hurrian | brb, bfast |
| 23:14.36 | javispedro | aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh |
| 23:14.42 | javispedro | QT_RX71_MULTITOUCH |
| 23:14.46 | javispedro | I sure hope it is dead by now. |
| 23:15.06 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: I'm about to enter a ticket. You say http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Blogs/resources/300003/datepicker.png is the datepicker widget used in harmattan, right? |
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| 23:15.15 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: not sure, that seems to be the qml one |
| 23:15.35 | DocScrutinizer | *sigh* |
| 23:15.39 | DocScrutinizer | ok, nevermind |
| 23:15.46 | DocScrutinizer | another time |
| 23:15.53 | javispedro | save the prose for next time though :) |
| 23:16.17 | javispedro | I'm sure that as soon as I try to enter an event in stock calendar I am going to need it. |
| 23:18.00 | macmaN | DocScrutinizer: can you sign in to nokia account? |
| 23:18.06 | ali1234 | Hurrian: what the hell did you do?? |
| 23:18.32 | SpeedEvil | ali1234: Tried to install n950 firmware on the n900 with a hammer. |
| 23:18.54 | ali1234 | i know but i'm guessing he didn't just flash the fiasco |
| 23:19.07 | Hurrian | ali1234: cssu! |
| 23:19.32 | ali1234 | what does cssu have to do with it? |
| 23:22.42 | ali1234 | i would probably try to launch just the ux from a chroot if i was going to try it |
| 23:23.11 | ali1234 | you'll have to kill hildon and disabl the watchdog though |
| 23:26.42 | javispedro | why |
| 23:26.50 | javispedro | I mean, most of meegotouch runs without such ado |
| 23:27.01 | ali1234 | because running two window managers isn't going to work very well? |
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| 23:27.38 | javispedro | ah, you mean the sw watchdog |
| 23:27.55 | ali1234 | i mean whatever it is that reboots the phone if hildon exits |
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| 23:28.44 | javispedro | either way, if you plan to use the stock kernel, biggest issue is softfp sgx libraries |
| 23:29.10 | ali1234 | why is that an issue? can't link to them? |
| 23:29.25 | javispedro | not easily... |
| 23:30.44 | javispedro | sgx libs have plenty of FP parameter passing -- not going to work unless you make a wrapper. |
| 23:31.26 | javispedro | and I'm not sure wheter the CE hardfp libraries will work with the stock n900 kernel, but most probably don't. |
| 23:32.24 | javispedro | if you want to get as of now the most similar ui to n9, just apt-get meegotouch (yes, it's there), and scp the theme files from harmattan. won't get swipe, but then swipe in n900 would be pain imho. |
| 23:33.04 | ieatlint | wonders how long before swype takes an issue with swipe |
| 23:33.05 | ali1234 | isn't it more about getting the apps? |
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| 23:34.18 | javispedro | but I do not think you're getting the propietary apps working with stock kernel. |
| 23:35.13 | javispedro | maybe if you do the above but on top of meegoCE instead of maemo ;) |
| 23:35.25 | ali1234 | yeah i was just thinking that |
| 23:35.39 | ali1234 | can you make reverse debs like you can with rpms? |
| 23:36.14 | javispedro | no idea what that is. |
| 23:36.35 | javispedro | but does not sound like the hard part. |
| 23:36.37 | ali1234 | well with rpm you can query the list of files installed by each rpm, and then reconstruct the original rpm from the filesystem |
| 23:36.44 | javispedro | ah. |
| 23:36.48 | Hurrian | ...so either we fix the CE kernel or hack up the 2.6.32 kernel? |
| 23:36.52 | ali1234 | thus turning an installed system back into a repository |
| 23:37.06 | ali1234 | then you can install those rpms somewhere else :) |
| 23:37.10 | javispedro | Hurrian: fix what? |
| 23:37.36 | Hurrian | to make it boot Harmattan |
| 23:37.44 | Hurrian | de-adaptation |
| 23:37.46 | javispedro | but what's broken. |
| 23:38.00 | Hurrian | actually, we have to break it nokia's way ;) |
| 23:38.52 | javispedro | forget about just flashing image, which is I think what you want to do. |
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| 23:39.12 | javispedro | chroot as ali1234 suggested, and start component by component. do not ever run one single initscript from the image. |
| 23:39.22 | ali1234 | try booting the n950 kernel on n900, see what happens :) |
| 23:39.38 | javispedro | different audio setup at least ;) |
| 23:39.55 | ali1234 | where did it branch from mainline? |
| 23:40.12 | ali1234 | just rebuild it with rx51 support :) |
| 23:40.33 | javispedro | that _might_ work. |
| 23:40.47 | ali1234 | there is plenty of stuff to try |
| 23:40.54 | ali1234 | most of it probably won't work |
| 23:40.56 | javispedro | cause I bet they did harmattan testing on n900, so it's probably not much rotten. |
| 23:41.01 | ali1234 | and none of it will work without lots of hacking |
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| 23:41.14 | javispedro | but either way. |
| 23:41.34 | SpeedEvil | It would be fascinating if you could get alien firmware working. |
| 23:41.36 | javispedro | You might not need anything other than the meegoCE kernel... |
| 23:41.50 | SpeedEvil | Even if only from the dev POV |
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| 23:42.13 | javispedro | SpeedEvil: what do you mean? -- people get e.g. gentoo running on it daily. |
| 23:42.26 | SpeedEvil | javispedro: I mean n950 fw on n900 |
| 23:42.41 | javispedro | that's more concrete than alien ;P </nitpick> |
| 23:42.56 | SpeedEvil | I should read backscroll, I thoguht that was clear. |
| 23:43.40 | Hurrian | javispedro, i did it the meego-CE way |
| 23:44.02 | javispedro | SpeedEvil: don't mind. It's just that I though you used "alien" to specifically mean more alien than another maemo release ;) |
| 23:44.13 | Hurrian | copy to sd card, flasher -l |
| 23:44.20 | Hurrian | not flashing using flasher! |
| 23:44.28 | ali1234 | i thought you were talking about the thing that turns rpms into debs... |
| 23:44.57 | javispedro | hah. |
| 23:45.07 | ali1234 | Hurrian: so you dd the ext4 image to a sd partition and then boot a meego kernel with root=sd card partition |
| 23:45.41 | javispedro | therefore ran all harmattan init scripts, including the one that does mtdswap on some mtd partition. |
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| 23:45.55 | ali1234 | yeah i wouldn't really expect that to work too well |
| 23:46.28 | ali1234 | maybe if you edit the initscripts to just give you a root shell |
| 23:46.36 | ali1234 | and then try to load stuff up 1 at a time |
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| 23:48.07 | Hurrian | ali1234: yup |
| 23:48.26 | Hurrian | javispedro, what is mtdswap? |
| 23:48.42 | javispedro | Hurrian: exactly what it says on the tin: swap on mtd. |
| 23:48.52 | Hurrian | ah |
| 23:49.11 | Hurrian | wow, that seems like a really bad idea |
| 23:49.26 | Hurrian | swap... on mtd |
| 23:50.11 | alterego | I wonder if it's the same on N9 |
| 23:50.13 | javispedro | you prefer on eMMC card with completely propietary and probably weak wear management firmware? |
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| 23:50.25 | alterego | N950 limited life, N9 limited life? |
| 23:50.44 | cehteh | doa :) |
| 23:50.45 | ali1234 | hey, here's an idea, why don't we make a mobile OS that doesn't need 1GB ram to run |
| 23:50.53 | ali1234 | we could call it... symbian |
| 23:51.03 | alterego | ali1234: a mobile os shouldn't need that to run :P |
| 23:51.15 | alterego | F'ing ubuntu doesn't need that to run .. |
| 23:51.17 | javispedro | ali1234: maybe it's not on n9, cause of 1GiB RAM. Also, ramzswap is around. |
| 23:51.21 | cehteh | careless apps do and bling does |
| 23:51.24 | ali1234 | lol ubuntu... |
| 23:51.31 | alterego | N950 has 1G ram |
| 23:51.32 | ali1234 | my ubuntu runs really fast now that i have 16gb |
| 23:51.34 | cehteh | has the n9 ramzswap? |
| 23:51.36 | ali1234 | 4gb was NOT enough |
| 23:51.55 | alterego | ali1234: I run it on machines with less than qG fine |
| 23:51.58 | alterego | 1G .. |
| 23:52.20 | ali1234 | the speed difference is incredible now |
| 23:52.36 | ali1234 | firefox almost never freezes. almost |
| 23:52.37 | javispedro | hah |
| 23:52.43 | alterego | Hah |
| 23:52.52 | alterego | firefox, the new emacs :) |
| 23:52.54 | javispedro | have to say that's probably rotary media large cache in effect. |
| 23:53.01 | alterego | Shame I like 'em both :D |
| 23:53.16 | ali1234 | probably, coupled with firefox's retarded "i want to manage my own cache" policy |
| 23:53.44 | javispedro | ali1234: on a 16GiB it may make sense to install preload and all the adaptative crap, if you can stand the hard disk activity. |
| 23:53.57 | cehteh | the nice thing about 32 bit firefox builds is that it never needs more than 4GB ram :P |
| 23:54.01 | ali1234 | which combined with ubuntu's relatively high swappiness value leads to disk cache getting cached in disk cache, and ram cache getting swapped to disk |
| 23:54.20 | javispedro | cehteh: but it crashes!! |
| 23:54.20 | cehteh | once ran the 32bit ff on his 64 bit laptop :P |
| 23:54.30 | cehteh | in a 'keepalive' loop |
| 23:54.33 | javispedro | cehteh: I'm sure you can implement the same "bug" on amd64 using ulimit or similar |
| 23:54.40 | DocScrutinizer | nevertheless, did it: http://www.developer.nokia.com/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=219 |
| 23:54.41 | povbot | 04Bug 219: submenus do not open, timing issue |
| 23:54.52 | javispedro | povbot: bad bot! |
| 23:54.53 | povbot | javispedro: Error: "bad" is not a valid command. |
| 23:54.58 | Hurrian | hmm, phone calls work, and i can see the N900's MAC address on my router, and it doesn't ask for lock code |
| 23:55.17 | Hurrian | mtd1 seems to be OK |
| 23:56.02 | javispedro | Hurrian: what saved you is that nokia keeps using mtd1 and mtd2 for the same in n950/n9 |
| 23:56.03 | Hurrian | hmm, so i'm guessing it actually tried to swap on mtd5 |
| 23:56.13 | javispedro | ...but the rest.. |
| 23:56.13 | Hurrian | or something else |
| 23:56.32 | cehteh | #!/bin/sh |
| 23:56.32 | cehteh | $@ || exec $0 $@ |
| 23:56.40 | alterego | It's all the same device |
| 23:56.45 | Hurrian | javispedro : :) |
| 23:56.54 | javispedro | alterego: he tried to run the harmattan image on n900. |
| 23:57.00 | javispedro | alterego: initscripts et all. |
| 23:57.07 | alterego | javispedro: eeek! |
| 23:57.18 | alterego | baby steps please? |
| 23:57.29 | ali1234 | well you never know, sometimes these things just work |
| 23:57.32 | alterego | Also, good luck getting celmo to work ... #justsaying |
| 23:57.38 | FIQ | wat |
| 23:57.40 | Hurrian | alterego ++ |
| 23:57.43 | FIQ | did it actually work...? |
| 23:57.48 | ali1234 | no :) |
| 23:57.49 | Hurrian | the dmesg showed BB5 errors |
| 23:57.50 | javispedro | alterego: no, it didn't work -- I bet mtdswap scripts corrupted rootfs partition |
| 23:57.56 | ali1234 | was worth a try though |
| 23:57.57 | FIQ | oh, ok then |
| 23:58.08 | SpeedEvil | alterego: It'd be quite interesting even without cellmo |
| 23:58.15 | javispedro | Hurrian: that is aegis |
| 23:58.20 | SpeedEvil | And I have a n900 with a broken modem anyway :) |
| 23:58.30 | Hurrian | i'm guessing it's because nokia's still not using ofono for Harmattan? |
| 23:58.37 | Hurrian | or whatever stack CE people use |
| 23:58.42 | javispedro | but aegis should work without bb5 (as in qemu) -- it will just boot in open mode. |
| 23:58.45 | alterego | SpeedEvil: indeed, I'm not against the idea, but I happen to know that some people that maybe a bit more "in the know" know it's not an easy task |
| 23:59.02 | SpeedEvil | alterego: Oh - I'm not disagreeing. |
| 23:59.08 | SpeedEvil | alterego: I woul dbe astonished if it's simple. |
| 23:59.21 | alterego | cellmo was bought up |
| 23:59.27 | Hurrian | fun fact: N9 now has initrd. |
| 23:59.28 | javispedro | thinks it is probably simple to run swipe mcompositor in meegoCE, just by copying the binary... and most of the apps, in a chroot. |
| 23:59.36 | alterego | Hurrian: both maemo and harmattan use telepathy ring |
| 23:59.54 | DocScrutinizer | cehteh: ??? |
| 23:59.57 | alterego | It's the firmware that'll kill cell mo functionality |
