| 00:01.19 | DocScrutinizer | Termana: morning, aussie |
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| 00:25.33 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: rm_you - congrats! |
| 00:25.44 | SpeedEvil | waits nervously. |
| 00:26.59 | Termana | SpeedEvil, lrn2comma :p |
| 00:26.59 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: better get a good cup of tea and feel good in knowing it's not you who need them, it's them who desperately need you |
| 00:27.05 | Termana | SpeedEvil, your still in the last 100? |
| 00:27.45 | SpeedEvil | Apparantly. |
| 00:28.02 | SpeedEvil | And yes - well... |
| 00:28.14 | Termana | DocScrutinizer, have you actually received a rejection email? (reading through the channel logs, you seem to indicate this) |
| 00:28.14 | SpeedEvil | I regret my application in terms of apps, and app history was poor. |
| 00:28.33 | DocScrutinizer | and even worse for them if they don't realize they need you |
| 00:28.47 | SpeedEvil | I added some brief sketches of ideas I've had in the past, and it'd be the impetus for learning to code again. |
| 00:29.19 | SpeedEvil | For apps. |
| 00:29.35 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: without you neither openmoko nor maemo wiki would be what it's now |
| 00:29.38 | SpeedEvil | But that was after the deadline - I hope they're looking at the updated pages. Anyone know about that? |
| 00:29.57 | DocScrutinizer | and without wiki there wouldn't be a single decent app |
| 00:30.39 | mr_jrt | Night all. |
| 00:31.16 | DocScrutinizer | asking for "applications, applications, applications" Balmer style completely neglects the prerequisites |
| 00:32.07 | DocScrutinizer | I'm not going to be a puppet on Nokia's strings |
| 00:32.31 | DocScrutinizer | I'm willing to *help* if they make it happen |
| 00:32.47 | DocScrutinizer | if not... Not my headache |
| 00:35.08 | DocScrutinizer | Termana: no, x-fade probably told quim I'm the one person that hates aegis the most and so I don't qualify for any DDP, but for sure they don't bother to inform me about that fact |
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| 00:40.45 | ieatlint | i managed to sneak in on today's list of recipients to my surprise... |
| 00:42.43 | Termana | ieatlint, congrats :) |
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| 00:42.58 | ieatlint | i would've hoped all the old openmoko guys would've made it |
| 00:43.28 | Termana | don't call them old! /sarcasm :p |
| 00:43.36 | ieatlint | they'd strike me as the more desirable candidates... used to dealing with difficult dev environments and still turning out unique and impressive things |
| 00:44.05 | DocScrutinizer | ieatlint: (old OM guys) made what? |
| 00:44.33 | ieatlint | haha |
| 00:44.43 | ieatlint | a phone that kinda worked |
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| 00:45.30 | ieatlint | i think quim recognized my name, which helped, heh |
| 00:45.31 | DocScrutinizer | well, OM the hw manuf is dead - for phones. |
| 00:45.50 | DocScrutinizer | OM the community lives on and is more vivid than ever |
| 00:46.24 | ieatlint | yeah, but the community based around it had a lot of desirable aspects |
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| 00:46.27 | ieatlint | i still run into enough openmoko peoples |
| 00:47.08 | DocScrutinizer | ieatlint: jus today mrmoku implemented modem call audio according to my design and considered "downstream fine and ok. Now tackling upstream" |
| 00:47.41 | DocScrutinizer | for N900 |
| 00:48.19 | ieatlint | hah |
| 00:49.02 | DocScrutinizer | and nota bene we are not using PA closed source crap ripped ou from meego or where ever |
| 00:49.19 | DocScrutinizer | this is an ALSA based implementation |
| 00:49.48 | javispedro | alsa suxs |
| 00:49.59 | DocScrutinizer | meh, audio sucks |
| 00:50.05 | javispedro | it can be made as complex and heavy as PA |
| 00:50.05 | ieatlint | pulseaudio sucks too |
| 00:50.05 | Termana | DocScrutinizer, for the N900? So no speaker protection? |
| 00:50.12 | ieatlint | it's a competition as to which sucks more |
| 00:50.13 | javispedro | ieatlint++ |
| 00:50.29 | DocScrutinizer | Termana: xprot is user's common sense for now |
| 00:50.42 | javispedro | I wonder how's xprot in n{950,9} |
| 00:50.52 | DocScrutinizer | not needed? |
| 00:50.58 | javispedro | was interested the other day in the audio chipset but google returned nothing interesting |
| 00:50.59 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: no idea |
| 00:51.07 | ieatlint | pulseaudio will have a special place of hatred for me after having to deal with its api |
| 00:51.20 | javispedro | ieatlint: I suggest dealing with the ALSA api |
| 00:51.29 | ieatlint | worse? |
| 00:51.33 | javispedro | ieatlint: after careful consideration, the ALSA api is many,many,many times worse than PA's |
| 00:51.34 | Termana | javispedro, Stskeeps indicated to me that he thinks its the same situation as the N900, but that wasn't definitive. |
| 00:51.59 | ieatlint | dear god... |
| 00:52.15 | javispedro | Termana: fascinating |
| 00:52.22 | ieatlint | I was able to switch to using qtmobility for my audio needs |
| 00:52.32 | ieatlint | and i'm oh so happy for it |
| 00:52.35 | DocScrutinizer | bah, ALSA has a steeper learning curve |
| 00:52.38 | javispedro | use qtmultimedia |
| 00:52.44 | javispedro | seems to be better |
| 00:52.47 | javispedro | "seems". |
| 00:52.56 | DocScrutinizer | once you want *goof quality* ALSA is way more transparent |
| 00:53.06 | DocScrutinizer | good* even |
| 00:53.06 | ieatlint | yeah, qtmultimedia now, used to be part of qt |
| 00:54.09 | DocScrutinizer | and one thing to keep in mind: a poor crappy API doesn't get better by adding 7 layers of abstraction on it |
| 00:54.17 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: you're describing alsa |
| 00:54.26 | DocScrutinizer | indeed, and PA |
| 00:54.52 | ieatlint | yeah, but in qt's case, it abstracts it so i don't have to deal with it, and makes the code portable |
| 00:54.53 | DocScrutinizer | which still is using ALSA as soundcards |
| 00:55.00 | javispedro | gimme OSS! |
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| 00:55.57 | DocScrutinizer | gimme a bottle of premium wodka! and cyel8er |
| 00:56.12 | Termana | I need to find some way to bring audio in, convert it to floating point numbers, do some stuff to it and the send it back out again |
| 00:56.19 | Termana | then* |
| 00:56.30 | DocScrutinizer | couldn't care less about harmattan and Nokia madness |
| 00:57.03 | ieatlint | floating point? |
| 00:57.16 | ieatlint | why floating point? |
| 00:57.25 | DocScrutinizer | *COUGH* |
| 00:57.33 | javispedro | Termana: it's absolutely easy with pulse! |
| 00:57.38 | DocScrutinizer | S16_LE |
| 00:57.40 | Termana | ieatlint, digital signal processing |
| 00:58.06 | DocScrutinizer | meh, have fun kids! |
| 00:58.22 | ieatlint | yeah, i've done that, but as doc says, s16le |
| 00:58.29 | DocScrutinizer | DSP, muhahaha |
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| 00:59.31 | SpeedEvil | Termana: Proper speaker protection is configuring the output 'soundcard' right - it has hardware speaker protection filtering. |
| 00:59.47 | SpeedEvil | Termana: That was already done as a proof of concept and found to work. |
| 00:59.55 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: indeed |
| 01:00.09 | SpeedEvil | Which involves no CPU power at all to do the prot |
| 01:01.10 | DocScrutinizer | just Nokia with their APE centric concept haven't found the time to implement it properly, as a last-minute-fix prior to N900 rollout |
| 01:03.12 | SpeedEvil | That, and 'it works' - when mp3 might use 10-20% less CPU if properly setup. |
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| 01:03.49 | DocScrutinizer | implemented for harmattan - fremantle is dead |
| 01:04.35 | DocScrutinizer | sustainable product maintenance? what's that? |
| 01:07.18 | DocScrutinizer | I just feel with the Nokia EE, who did an incredible awesome job mostly, but 30% are ignored by sw department |
| 01:08.16 | DocScrutinizer | and the figure getting worse - buzzword QtMobility et al |
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| 01:09.49 | DocScrutinizer | you know why you can't do proper rainbow effects on notifier LED? Just because mce devels were lazy |
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| 01:12.15 | DocScrutinizer | you know why you can't do even more shiny proper rainbow effects on notifier LED? Just because somebody beefed up the LED driver of N810 without regarding *any* od the new capabilities of LP5523 chip used in N900 |
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| 01:13.03 | DocScrutinizer | check out who wrote mce, check out who wrote LP5523 driver |
| 01:17.47 | cehteh | i thought that was because they use one channel for the keyboard leds |
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| 01:26.21 | rm_you | SpeedEvil: :P |
| 01:26.48 | SpeedEvil | ? Oh |
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| 01:29.41 | DocScrutinizer | cehteh: indeed. And why? |
| 01:30.12 | DocScrutinizer | there's no sound rationale to do it this way |
| 01:30.30 | cehteh | heh no idea .. guess they needed something to drive the keyboard leds ... |
| 01:30.38 | cehteh | dunno the specs |
| 01:30.49 | DocScrutinizer | cehteh: also LP5523 has twice the program storage made available by the driver |
| 01:31.28 | cehteh | well the program storage was never a problem for me .. but 3 channels for really multicolor blink patterns would be awesome |
| 01:31.38 | DocScrutinizer | cehteh: nope, you perfectly can drive 6 led via sw and keep the three engines for the indicator LED |
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| 01:31.56 | cehteh | ok i didnt know that |
| 01:32.45 | DocScrutinizer | it's just *simpler* to do it via na engine, to have that silly 250ms ramp up, ramp down of kbd backlight |
| 01:33.20 | cehteh | ha .. now where you say it .. yes indeed :P .. didnt noticed it before |
| 01:33.23 | DocScrutinizer | even if you think you want to do it via an engine, you could allocate this engine and free it 250ms later |
| 01:34.19 | DocScrutinizer | slothfulness of mce coders |
| 01:34.21 | Ken-Young | Does anyone happen to know is the "Account ID" for a Nokia Developer account is the same as a "Nokia Developer ID" for purposes of replying to a community N950 developer device program email? |
| 01:34.23 | cehteh | well .. and i want customizeable current for the leds ... and feedback from the light sensor |
| 01:34.38 | Ken-Young | s/is/if/ |
| 01:35.16 | cehteh | from a software standpoint it would be nice to calculate total energy per time on a blink pattern and maximize the brightness |
| 01:36.21 | ShadowJK | doing it via engine makes it smooth always |
| 01:36.24 | ShadowJK | :D |
| 01:36.48 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: and what for do you need the engine when the ramp has finished? |
| 01:36.54 | cehteh | 20 ms bright white flashes with 15mA with 500ms pauses would be a nice notifier |
| 01:38.18 | DocScrutinizer | cehteh: you noticed that usually indicator is 'black' when kbd backlight is in use? |
| 01:38.31 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: ^^^ |
| 01:38.37 | DocScrutinizer | sorry cehteh |
| 01:38.39 | ShadowJK | :) |
| 01:38.55 | cehteh | well i dont notice either .. what do you mean? |
| 01:39.25 | ShadowJK | When/if I get free time I want to try implement charging led for meego (my own charge.sh of course) |
| 01:39.25 | DocScrutinizer | I mean kbd backlight and indicator engine use are mutually exclusive anyway |
| 01:39.31 | ShadowJK | and maybe ts vibration, if there's a way that doesn't involve X |
| 01:39.32 | cehteh | indicator goes off for many common patterns when screen is active |
| 01:39.45 | cehteh | nope |
| 01:39.52 | cehteh | works here .. |
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| 01:40.10 | cehteh | i changed the charging pattern to be always active |
| 01:40.25 | cehteh | thats just one of the bits you give to mce |
| 01:40.59 | cehteh | i once configured it to keep all patterns active but i got lazy after the last reflash |
| 01:41.16 | DocScrutinizer | cehteh: well that's unusual, and yet you could snatch away the engine from charging pattern to do the ramp-up/down of kbd. I mean 250ms, c'mon |
| 01:41.32 | cehteh | yeah sure |
| 01:41.53 | cehteh | actually who needs the ramp for the keyboard? |
| 01:42.03 | cehteh | on/off with brightness control would be ok |
| 01:42.12 | cehteh | well *that* actually uses brightness control .. |
| 01:42.25 | cehteh | but not the indicator where it would be much more useful |
| 01:42.38 | DocScrutinizer | but honestly the CPU is perfectly capably to do a smooth ramp for kbd backlight without using an engine |
| 01:42.46 | cehteh | that too |
| 01:43.32 | DocScrutinizer | it's a braindamaged lazy design |
| 01:43.56 | cehteh | well it all has an end .. |
| 01:44.14 | cehteh | nokia will be history soon .. at least for opensource / free software |
| 01:44.22 | ShadowJK | the cpu is capable, but making sure it does it is a PITA ;P |
| 01:44.26 | DocScrutinizer | yeah |
| 01:44.45 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: meh, nonsense |
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| 01:45.06 | SpeedEvil | Ken-Young: And congrats! Orrery on a platform with magnetometer should be fun! |
| 01:45.14 | ShadowJK | people laughed at "stuck" leds before, so I guess some manager wanted it to be smooth |
| 01:45.21 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: +++ |
| 01:45.48 | ShadowJK | and coders didn't want to spend the 10x effort on more realtime code ;p |
| 01:45.51 | cehteh | one led per key would be nice :P |
| 01:45.59 | cehteh | one RGB led per key! |
| 01:45.59 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: doesn't apply to kbd backlight, not at all really |
| 01:46.16 | SpeedEvil | I'd really like one LED on the backlight to be illuminable. |
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| 01:47.12 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: (10 x the effort) lazy, toldya |
| 01:47.26 | Ken-Young | SpeedEvil, Thanks! The main complaint users have had about orrery is that they could not hold the N900 up to the sky and have it orient itself. Many users asked me to try to do that with accelerometers, but that just didn't seem like it would give any precision. Magnetometers should be fun. |
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| 01:48.06 | DocScrutinizer | Ken-Young: will be awesome |
| 01:48.11 | cehteh | accelerometers just dont work that way |
| 01:48.12 | SpeedEvil | Accellerometers can give you only the angle of the gravity axis, yes. both give you pointing to around a degree or three. |
| 01:48.13 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 01:49.05 | Ken-Young | I also will be adding a location based feature for eclipses. |
| 01:49.09 | DocScrutinizer | you can actually make N9 show the segment of sky it covers |
| 01:49.51 | DocScrutinizer | augmented reality |
| 01:50.00 | Ken-Young | DocScrutinizer, But you need to know the distance of the N9 from your eye to do that properly, don't you? |
| 01:50.14 | DocScrutinizer | indeed :-) |
| 01:50.17 | SpeedEvil | Front camera |
| 01:50.22 | DocScrutinizer | hehehe |
| 01:50.30 | SpeedEvil | Though that's not going to work well for nighttime of course. |
| 01:50.40 | Ken-Young | SpeedEvil, !!!! Good idea! |
| 01:50.42 | SpeedEvil | I hope that the display can go dim enough. |
| 01:50.44 | DocScrutinizer | there's always a solution - just define the problem propperly |
| 01:51.04 | SpeedEvil | Because if it can - OLED at night would be a truly awesome display for stargazing. |
| 01:51.14 | SpeedEvil | Yet another 'platform' issue. |
| 01:51.17 | cehteh | well if you just guess 1/2 average arm length you are prolly good enugh |
| 01:51.18 | Ken-Young | Special eyeglasses with LEDs at the frame tips, for the front camera to pick up. |
| 01:51.51 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: (nighttime) ask lcuk about 2 or 3 light on head of user |
| 01:52.02 | ShadowJK | just make the screen very bright to illuminate the head, also blinds the user, so they wont notice in case the displayed sky is a bit off. |
| 01:52.12 | cehteh | i'd like a device with a full set of location sensors .. accelerometer, magnetometer, gyroscope ... and gps |
| 01:52.27 | SpeedEvil | Gyro doesn't buy you that much in addition to accel and mag. |
| 01:52.33 | cehteh | if you have them all, then they can cross callibrate and improve accuracy |
| 01:52.37 | SpeedEvil | For conditions where the device is mostly stationary. |
| 01:52.43 | Ken-Young | cehteh, There's an add=on board for Openmoko Freerunners that give you that. |
| 01:52.55 | SpeedEvil | In cases of motion, it can de-drift the attitude a lot. |
| 01:52.57 | Ken-Young | Aire pressure etc. too. |
| 01:52.57 | DocScrutinizer | two leds make for distance, 3 for decent orientation relative to the 3 leds |
| 01:53.05 | cehteh | yes |
| 01:53.31 | SpeedEvil | 9 axis will be next year. |
| 01:53.46 | SpeedEvil | 6 axis chips have gotten fairly cheap. - $3 or so in _quantity_ |
| 01:53.59 | cehteh | 9axis? wtf :P |
| 01:54.02 | SpeedEvil | But you have to pick accel + gyro or accel + mag |
| 01:54.14 | Ken-Young | cehteh, It's for string theorists. |
| 01:54.14 | SpeedEvil | Gyro, mag and accel in the one chip - 9 axes. |
| 01:54.23 | cehteh | ah ok |
| 01:54.40 | ieatlint | i should just start telling people the app i submitted to apply for an n950 is a grindr.com client |
| 01:54.47 | cehteh | i was thinking you talk about a 9 axes gyroscope |
| 01:55.13 | SpeedEvil | ieatlint: Go for it! :) |
| 01:55.48 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.meego.com/User_talk:Speedevil/Projects - my 'project' page. :) |
| 01:55.55 | SpeedEvil | Note the sucky apps bit at the front. |
| 01:56.30 | DocScrutinizer | surrenders to the general feeling of "MEH!" |
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| 01:56.39 | DocScrutinizer | o/ |
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| 01:57.40 | SpeedEvil | OTOH - most of the people on the list at the bottom have gotten devices - :) |
| 01:58.13 | Ken-Young | SpeedEvil, Thanks for listing me on your page. |
| 01:58.26 | SpeedEvil | Orrery was clearly a stunning app. |
| 01:58.34 | SpeedEvil | Or should be. |
| 01:58.34 | MohammadAG | I still don't get how an acceleration measuring device returns device orientation |
| 01:58.43 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: Because of gravity. |
| 01:58.47 | Ken-Young | SpeedEvil, Well, most people prefer Stellarium. |
| 01:59.04 | MohammadAG | the device is exposed to the same gravitational field |
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| 01:59.12 | SpeedEvil | I really want xephem! :) |
| 01:59.24 | SpeedEvil | (though really, it'd be silly for a touchscreen one window device) |
| 02:00.05 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: yes, in fee fall it is |
| 02:00.13 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: but you're holding it |
| 02:00.19 | Ken-Young | SpeedEvil, I'm *really* tempted to port NRAO AIPS, and ancient FORTRAN radio astronomy data reduction package. |
| 02:00.24 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: so gravity points 'down' |
| 02:00.28 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: so there's a force on the case from your hand |
| 02:00.33 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: If you don't move the device too much. |
| 02:00.47 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: Consider it like a little weighted string hanging from the accellerometer. |
| 02:01.05 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: same force with inverse signs is detected by accelerometer |
| 02:01.07 | SpeedEvil | It's pretty much exactly like that - apart from the pendulumn-like swinging. |
| 02:01.16 | MohammadAG | ah |
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| 02:01.35 | MohammadAG | so technically, down is different to it in different positions |
| 02:01.36 | SpeedEvil | Ken-Young: There is so much of what used to be 'big iron' data reduction that becomes relevant to the cellphone again. |
| 02:01.37 | MohammadAG | got it |
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| 02:01.56 | SpeedEvil | Especially with multiple devices in communication. |
| 02:02.39 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: the accelerometer tells you exactly what forces your hand applies to the device by holding it |
| 02:02.49 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: modulo the pinch |
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| 02:04.29 | Gyjf | so what kind of interesting things could one do with that? |
| 02:04.55 | MohammadAG | measure the constant g |
| 02:04.58 | SpeedEvil | Gyjf: basically with just accel, all you can sense is where that virtual string/weight is. |
| 02:05.05 | DocScrutinizer | find out if screen heads up or to you? |
| 02:05.18 | SpeedEvil | Gyjf: And get a ~30km (IIRC with the n900 accel) altitude resolution. |
| 02:05.38 | MohammadAG | actually can g be measured? |
| 02:05.50 | MohammadAG | Accurately? if the device is in free fall |
| 02:06.24 | DocScrutinizer | when free fall, all 3 axis are 0 |
| 02:06.35 | DocScrutinizer | lis302 even detects that |
| 02:06.55 | DocScrutinizer | it's one of the primary usecases |
| 02:07.05 | MohammadAG | can I legally jump off a plane and try that? |
| 02:07.16 | Gyjf | parachute? |
| 02:07.17 | DocScrutinizer | yes :-ÃP |
| 02:07.21 | DocScrutinizer | :-P |
| 02:07.37 | MohammadAG | Gyjf, no, I always land on my feet |
| 02:07.50 | MohammadAG | And I have some boots from Portal |
| 02:08.07 | Gyjf | sweeet, where can i get a pair? :P |
| 02:08.21 | MohammadAG | contact valve |
| 02:08.25 | DocScrutinizer | WU_FF == wake up on free fall |
| 02:08.36 | MohammadAG | you can get a free crusher with them too |
| 02:08.44 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, interesting |
| 02:08.46 | SpeedEvil | It can also interrupt on 'taps' |
| 02:08.49 | SpeedEvil | And doubletaps |
| 02:08.57 | SpeedEvil | For a 'zero' power wake |
| 02:09.04 | MohammadAG | does the device go into free fall if dropped say, 10m? |
| 02:09.21 | SpeedEvil | It goes into freefall from the millimeter you release it |
| 02:09.23 | MohammadAG | would be nice to have a you fucking dropped me app |
| 02:09.40 | SpeedEvil | It then gradually picks up aerodynamic drag. |
| 02:09.40 | Gyjf | yeah but when does it reach terminal velocity? |
| 02:09.50 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: it goes into free fall on 10 cm |
| 02:09.55 | SpeedEvil | I'd imagine it's slowed a lot after a couple of seconds. |
| 02:10.16 | SpeedEvil | I can't imagine it's terminal velocity is much more than that. |
| 02:11.18 | DocScrutinizer | Gyjf: if it reaches "terminal velocity" then the air is the "holding hand" and accelerometer will thing device sits o a table |
| 02:11.26 | MohammadAG | is there a way to get direct speed? |
| 02:11.31 | GonzoTheGreat | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:11.31 | SpeedEvil | No. |
| 02:11.37 | MohammadAG | without differentiation... k |
| 02:11.39 | DocScrutinizer | GPS |
| 02:11.47 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, downward speed |
| 02:11.50 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Technical:Accelerometer_Fundamentals |
| 02:12.01 | SpeedEvil | Is a FAQ I wrote ages ago |
| 02:12.08 | MohammadAG | gps sees that as 0, unless we're measuring delta altitude |
| 02:12.22 | MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, thanks :D |
| 02:12.46 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: openmoko wiki is a real treasure ;-) |
| 02:12.50 | MohammadAG | though I'm in bed and I'd barely understand technicalties atm, so night :) |
| 02:12.59 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, I gather OM was awesome |
| 02:13.11 | MohammadAG | and would've been awesome, the N900 killed it though |
| 02:13.11 | SpeedEvil | Awesome, and sucky. |
| 02:13.14 | SpeedEvil | At the same time. |
| 02:13.15 | SpeedEvil | NAah. |
| 02:13.19 | MohammadAG | spec up your devices |
| 02:13.21 | SpeedEvil | N900 was the nail in the coffin. |
| 02:13.22 | DocScrutinizer | as all wikis |
| 02:13.28 | MohammadAG | get better looks |
| 02:13.35 | MohammadAG | start selling to consumers |
| 02:13.38 | SpeedEvil | OM was killed by its own actions. |
| 02:13.56 | MohammadAG | idk what its actions were |
| 02:13.58 | DocScrutinizer | OM was killed by his own boss |
| 02:14.13 | SpeedEvil | For example, they could have had saleable hardware with a working X+GTK+basic phone with SMS and calls in xmas 2007. |
| 02:14.44 | DocScrutinizer | but no, we go for QtMoko |
| 02:15.01 | SpeedEvil | But they decided to go for shiny, when apple and others were coming over the horizon - and did a major software change, followed by another change to Qt, followed by a change away from Qt |
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| 02:16.09 | Ken-Young | I really wish someone would write an insider's history of Openmoko. Something like "The soul of a New Machine". |
| 02:16.13 | DocScrutinizer | then some users said "enough now!" and started SHR - stable hybrid release, cherrypicking where due |
| 02:17.02 | DocScrutinizer | keeping X11 |
| 02:17.23 | DocScrutinizer | keeping Enlightenment/Illiume |
| 02:17.55 | ShadowJK | thought the device looked cool in pictures, design-wise |
| 02:18.26 | DocScrutinizer | looks like a shower radio, or a poorly built hockey puck |
| 02:18.27 | Ken-Young | The Freerunner is *still* a wonderful GPS unit, IMHO. |
| 02:19.08 | DocScrutinizer | yeah the GPS chipset of uBLOX isn't really bad |
| 02:19.20 | SpeedEvil | There was some work done on using the GPS to get differential positions in the decimeter range. |
| 02:19.29 | SpeedEvil | That could have been truly awesome if polished. |
| 02:19.33 | DocScrutinizer | and we got an external GPS antenna connector |
| 02:19.36 | DocScrutinizer | ;-) |
| 02:19.50 | Gyjf | talking about gps:s, is it only me or does the gps in the n900 realy suck? |
| 02:20.17 | DocScrutinizer | Gyjf: sucks without SIM |
| 02:20.18 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_GPS has some graphs |
| 02:20.36 | Gyjf | SIM? as in SIM card? |
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| 02:20.40 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 02:20.50 | Gyjf | i have a simcard |
| 02:21.14 | DocScrutinizer | Freerunner GPS sucks with uSD card, N900 GPS sucks without SIM card :-P |
| 02:21.46 | DocScrutinizer | cya folks |
| 02:22.01 | Ken-Young | Have a good snooze. |
| 02:22.05 | SpeedEvil | Night. |
| 02:23.12 | Gyjf | even with a simcard it cant seem to lock on enough sattelites to fix |
| 02:23.52 | SpeedEvil | Outside? |
| 02:23.59 | Ken-Young | Gyjf, That does not match my experience. |
| 02:24.02 | SpeedEvil | There have been reports of hardware problems with some units. |
| 02:24.26 | Gyjf | so its probable that i have a bad unit? |
| 02:24.34 | SpeedEvil | It's not impossible. |
| 02:24.55 | SpeedEvil | If you still have problems with a SIM in, after it's had a lock prior, outside, then definately. |
| 02:25.14 | DocScrutinizer | unlikely, use location test app |
| 02:25.44 | DocScrutinizer | lots of apps do nonsense on liblocation |
| 02:25.52 | DocScrutinizer | even maemo maps |
| 02:25.56 | SpeedEvil | http://maemo.org/packages/view/location-test-gui/ |
| 02:26.16 | Gyjf | is that in the main repos? |
| 02:27.28 | ShadowJK | uses gpsjinni for offline (location-test-gui pops up network to resolve street names) |
| 02:28.41 | ShadowJK | Gyjf, sdk tools repo probably? |
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| 02:30.49 | Gyjf | couldnt find it in the installer |
| 02:32.31 | DocScrutinizer51 | location test gui, AGPS, 1s interval. Solid 3D fix indoors old building without concrete: 5s |
| 02:34.41 | GeneralAntilles | Ugh, Google+ invites. |
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| 02:35.00 | Gyjf | another facebook? |
| 02:35.09 | GeneralAntilles | I guess. |
| 02:36.15 | DocScrutinizer51 | google+ == facebook+++ |
| 02:38.35 | SpeedEvil | Outside - had a fix in the last few days - with cellmo - good GPS fix in ~6s |
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| 03:18.50 | fredrin | gif google+ invite? |
| 03:19.07 | fredrin | GeneralAntilles: --^ |
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| 03:41.37 | GeneralAntilles | fredrin, hmm? |
| 03:41.43 | GeneralAntilles | Are you requesting one? |
| 03:42.51 | fredrin | if you have |
| 03:42.56 | fredrin | just want to check it out |
| 03:43.21 | fredrin | it's google so it could be big |
| 03:43.27 | GeneralAntilles | fredrin, not so far as I can tell. |
| 03:45.32 | fredrin | GeneralAntilles, humkay |
| 03:46.08 | ShadowJK | xkcd has a pwerful argument in favor of google+ |
| 03:49.38 | rm_you | lol yeah that was great |
| 03:49.46 | rm_you | i do kinda want an invite just to check it out |
| 03:49.49 | rm_you | kinda like google wave... |
| 03:49.56 | rm_you | not sure i really liked it but was neat to try |
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| 04:11.46 | jonwil | god Maemo has a lot of different libraries and daemons and code just to do something as simple as manage the clock and time |
| 04:11.48 | jonwil | ... |
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| 04:27.39 | SpeedEvil | jonwil: Indeed - it's gotta be intentional. |
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| 04:35.59 | jonwil | in any case I have decided to take another look at the mess that is MCE |
| 04:36.08 | jonwil | and specifically some of the MCE plugins |
| 04:36.39 | jonwil | using the Harmattan MCE code as a reference and comparing it to the Fremantle binaries to see what might be different |
| 04:36.49 | jonwil | and from there using that to figure out what say the vibrator plugin does |
| 04:37.27 | robbiethe1st | Um... I think it vibrates. :P |
| 04:38.18 | jonwil | I mean someone wanted clones of it so they could change just HOW it triggers the vibrator |
| 04:39.48 | bindi | gah |
| 04:40.02 | bindi | why does the list of old alarms (the checkbox thingy) have to be a LIST |
| 04:40.10 | bindi | i got a bunch and i hate scrolling. |
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| 04:40.29 | bindi | they would all fit if each row had like 6 of them or something |
| 04:40.36 | bindi | much easier to use |
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| 04:43.06 | SpeedEvil | jonwil: Did you apply for a devkit? |
| 04:43.15 | jonwil | N950? Nope |
| 04:43.20 | SpeedEvil | bindi: Indeed. |
| 04:43.44 | jonwil | Nothing I have planned or am doing is the kind of thing that makes me deserving of a N9 or N950 devkit |
| 04:44.32 | SpeedEvil | I disagree - some of the platform stuff could be of great use. |
| 04:44.45 | SpeedEvil | But it's very out of scope for the program. |
| 04:45.03 | jonwil | what platform stuff? |
| 04:45.26 | SpeedEvil | I mean stuff like getting cbs working |
| 04:45.50 | SpeedEvil | And you're one of the few involved in maemo with leet arm reverse engineering skillz. |
| 04:45.55 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 04:46.10 | jonwil | I dont have such skills, I wish I did though |
| 04:46.26 | jonwil | I am probably the only one in the maemo community who is interested in reverse engineering though |
| 04:52.34 | SpeedEvil | Leet compared to the rest of us :) |
| 04:52.58 | SpeedEvil | I've done some ARM coding in asm - but only on paper to cycle count a peroposed algorithm. |
| 04:53.25 | SpeedEvil | And I'd have no idea where to go about stuff like the CBSMS patch. |
| 04:53.47 | derf | I've done plenty of ARM asm... but I still have no interest in _disassembling_ someone else's code. |
| 04:53.51 | jonwil | Most of my work comes from examining the x86 SDK versions of things |
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| 05:56.42 | khertan__ | Morning |
| 05:57.05 | sandst1 | morn |
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| 06:11.38 | jonwil | Who is it that was working on the custom lockscreen? |
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| 06:24.42 | Hardknox | hi |
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| 06:27.39 | ShadowJK | MohammadAG was coding.. |
| 06:28.05 | jonwil | oh ok |
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| 06:28.21 | jonwil | MohammadAG: ping |
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| 07:25.35 | ZogG | https://lkml.org/lkml/2011/6/21/47 |
| 07:27.02 | SpeedEvil | neat |
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| 07:30.26 | ShadowJK | why does lkml.org have no "next in thread" link |
| 07:30.34 | ZogG | i dunno |
| 07:30.45 | ZogG | but we have omap3 don't we? |
| 07:31.29 | SpeedEvil | ZogG: yes |
| 07:31.36 | SpeedEvil | Though we do have a DSP |
| 07:31.36 | ZogG | =( |
| 07:34.02 | ZogG | SpeedEvil ÑÑ ÑÑ Ñе кÑдÑмÑÑе ÐµÑ Ð³Ñ, |
| 07:34.13 | ZogG | ooops |
| 07:34.19 | ZogG | is it relevant to us? |
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| 07:58.29 | vi__ | hello |
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| 07:58.51 | vi__ | is there an easy way to list all gconfs so I can grep through them for what I want to fiddle with? |
| 07:59.12 | vi__ | and another question |
| 07:59.40 | vi__ | what gconf detai8ls which desktop I am on? |
| 07:59.46 | vi__ | what gconf details which desktop I am on? |
| 08:00.39 | Jaffa | Status: "With delivery courier" :-D |
| 08:01.28 | jonwil | What is this that you are going to recieve? |
| 08:01.45 | ZogG | Jaffa hola |
| 08:02.09 | SpeedEvil | ZogG: not really. |
| 08:02.26 | ZogG | SpeedEvil that's why it sucks to be us =) |
| 08:02.36 | SpeedEvil | ZogG: Both the n900 and the n950//n9 are omap3 |
| 08:02.44 | vi__ | where is alarmd 'config' file |
| 08:02.51 | SpeedEvil | ZogG: In principle thseswould benefit from a more common API for accessing the DSP |
| 08:02.54 | vi__ | i.e. the file that contains all the upcoming alarms? |
| 08:03.07 | ZogG | i will not get n950 for sure and i wouldn't buy n9 due xpensices and anyway no support |
| 08:03.26 | ZogG | vi__ google it, it's linux thing |
| 08:06.36 | ruskie | vi__, start reading talk.maemo.org and wiki.maemo.org |
| 08:06.43 | ruskie | has plenty of things that might be useful |
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| 08:08.14 | vi__ | ruskie: the wiki is an unreadable mess |
| 08:08.28 | RST38h | <yawn> |
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| 08:24.05 | ZogG | vi__ than you re doomed |
| 08:24.09 | ZogG | RST38h, utro |
| 08:24.13 | ZogG | ruskie, \o |
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| 08:34.34 | RST38h | ZogG: How is suffering today? |
| 08:34.57 | ZogG | why would i suffer? |
| 08:35.18 | ZogG | i fell asleep yesterday ike a baby =) |
| 08:35.27 | ZogG | though it was white night in TLV |
| 08:35.33 | ZogG | google+ is wierd |
| 08:35.46 | RST38h | ZogG: Send an invite - lemme see =) |
| 08:36.03 | ZogG | RST38h pm email |
| 08:36.27 | RST38h | =) |
| 08:38.03 | vi__ | how do I install the original camera program |
| 08:38.09 | vi__ | not the cssu |
| 08:38.12 | vi__ | version? |
| 08:38.22 | vi__ | apt-get install <what?> |
| 08:39.24 | ZogG | RST38h got it? |
| 08:42.57 | RST38h | ZogG: yahoo! thanks ! |
| 08:43.05 | ZogG | RST38h no problem man =) |
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| 08:45.27 | RST38h | Mghm, funny stuff |
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| 08:51.12 | robbiethe1st | Ok, guys, time to do some Maemo stuff. But I've got a question first: I'm trying to tether my N900 to my laptop. I know the N900 side works, and I can get it to work on a Ubuntu 10.10 LiveCD, but my Debian LXDE just won't work. I installed networkmanager, modemmanager, and the N900 shows up when I plug it in, but attempting to connect to it as a modem just has it trying for a second and saying 'disconnected'. Any ideas? |
| 08:52.04 | vi__ | what country, network, modem string? |
| 08:52.44 | vi__ | and don't ask abbout the n900, its all n9/50 circle jerk right now |
| 08:53.12 | flux | it's always about the newest. too bad in this case it's not readily available yet.. |
| 08:53.43 | flux | maybe there should've been device-oriented channels in the first place :) |
| 08:54.31 | robbiethe1st | Country = US, T-mobile. But it's not that I can't get internet or anything, I don't think my laptop's even connecting correctly. |
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| 08:54.53 | robbiethe1st | It seems to see the N900 - device shows up in the wizard - but... |
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| 08:58.14 | ZogG | RST38h n8 has a client for it =) |
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| 09:08.39 | alterego | Still no launchpad email :/ |
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| 09:10.22 | khertan__ | Morning Everyone ! |
| 09:10.56 | khertan__ | alterego, w8 and see here also ... but do not expected to get it too fast ... so you ll not be disappointed |
| 09:11.18 | khertan__ | alterego, did you remember the n900 ddp and n810 ddp ? |
| 09:11.40 | Venemo | alterego, still no mail for me either... |
| 09:11.58 | Venemo | khertan__, what about N900 ddp and N810 ddp? |
| 09:12.49 | alterego | I remember N810 |
| 09:12.57 | alterego | N900 I didn't have enoguh karma |
| 09:13.08 | alterego | bbiazm, having a shoert |
| 09:13.14 | alterego | erm, shower |
| 09:18.48 | Jaffa | alterego: I'm so very glad that mine was all set up, but now feeling guilty for the favouritism |
| 09:19.01 | Jaffa | alterego: However, not too guilty as I should be getting a new toy today ;-) |
| 09:20.20 | lardman | morning |
| 09:20.56 | macmaN | im enjoying the hell out of the n950 |
| 09:20.57 | macmaN | :> |
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| 09:21.42 | lardman | so anyone received any more news re Launchpad? |
| 09:22.29 | RST38h | lardman: not here |
| 09:22.38 | ZogG | khertan__ you got n900 as dev as well? |
| 09:22.47 | ZogG | lardman hey |
| 09:22.49 | RST38h | ZogG: already? someone wrote a symbian client for google+??? |
| 09:23.07 | khertan__ | ZogG, as dev yep ... waiting launchpad email :) |
| 09:23.11 | ZogG | RST38h nope, i was mistaken. |
| 09:23.31 | khertan__ | Venemo, it s take one or two week to got confirmation ... and many complain on t.m.o :) |
| 09:23.39 | ZogG | some1 wrote comment from n8 i assumed it's client but it was mobile interface |
| 09:23.53 | lardman | hi ZogG |
| 09:24.18 | ZogG | lardman sup |
| 09:24.23 | khertan__ | hum ... google plus suggest me as a contact :) |
| 09:24.23 | khertan__ | lol |
| 09:24.32 | Venemo | Jaffa, today already? |
| 09:26.49 | lardman | ZogG: not much, waiting for an N950, waiting for broadband to be sorted out at home, lots of waiting ;) |
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| 09:28.47 | lardman | http://www.elektor.com/news/smart-key-reveals-car-location-on-parking-lot.1872048.lynkx?utm_source=UK&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=news sounds quite useful |
| 09:30.22 | alterego | Jaffa: I wouldn't be so sure, what's the delivery status? |
| 09:30.27 | khertan__ | http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/googleplus.png |
| 09:30.28 | khertan__ | hihi |
| 09:32.05 | alterego | Oh you butt hole "out for deliver" :P |
| 09:34.30 | macmaN | i totally need music player controls on the lock screen yo |
| 09:35.02 | alterego | macmaN: swipe up, a little. |
| 09:35.22 | macmaN | black box appears |
| 09:35.31 | macmaN | looks like something is unfinished |
| 09:35.32 | Venemo | macmaN, how did you get an N950 already? |
| 09:35.40 | lardman | that's what I was wondering? |
| 09:35.48 | macmaN | Venemo: helsinki meego meetup |
| 09:35.51 | lardman | ah ok |
| 09:36.01 | lardman | any opengl es experts about? |
| 09:36.17 | macmaN | Tronic sitting in #performous :) |
| 09:36.35 | lardman | I don't want to bother a guru mind you |
| 09:37.16 | Venemo | macmaN, I'm envying |
| 09:37.36 | macmaN | i hear you. this thing is da bawmb. |
| 09:38.02 | lardman | You're just making us all jealous now :p |
| 09:38.19 | macmaN | well the n9 will be upon us soon enough, unless elpo will sabotage the whole process somehow |
| 09:39.15 | macmaN | so i would just suggest going to the bars, get drunk every once in a while, pick up ladies for a whole lot of onenighters and generally live the playboy lifestyle. then you might be able to forget the n9 exists for that amount of time. |
| 09:39.37 | lardman | Anyway opengles question - I want to draw some avatars in a 3D space which will be overlaid on the camera video stream, and I have a few questions: firstly does one setup the entire "world" and then alter the "viewport", and how do I keep the avatars facing me? |
| 09:39.54 | macmaN | although there is that after sex period when n9 becomes top priority again the mind |
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| 09:39.58 | macmaN | i dont have a recipe for that |
| 09:40.04 | lardman | macmaN: I think my wife might not be too pleased with your suggestion ;) |
| 09:40.11 | macmaN | lol :P |
| 09:40.13 | macmaN | role games? |
| 09:40.19 | macmaN | could be spiccccyyyy |
| 09:40.26 | lcuk | lardman, is the video stream still yuv? |
| 09:40.44 | lardman | lcuk: no idea, but I guess it will be (or at least be able to be that) |
| 09:40.56 | lardman | need to wait 'till I have the item in my hands... |
| 09:41.02 | lcuk | nods |
| 09:41.59 | lardman | I guess I should read some OpenGL ES tutorials, but they all talk about making pretty pictures of boxes, which isn't what I need at all |
| 09:42.56 | Venemo | lardman, what about QtOpenGL? |
| 09:43.19 | lardman | Yeah I had a look at that, but I'm not sure how to display the video in that case |
| 09:43.40 | lardman | or perhaps I was just looking at the accelerated canvas, which was quite straightforward |
| 09:43.55 | alterego | There's a good gles2 book somewhere |
| 09:44.21 | lardman | yeah, I don't really want to have to read an entire book, but if you find the name let me know and I'll get it from the library for some evening reading |
| 09:44.29 | macmaN | i came across the nokia wh-701 accidentally today. http://europe.nokia.com/find-products/accessories/all-accessories/headsets/wired-headsets/nokia-stereo-headset-wh-701 |
| 09:44.41 | macmaN | for some reason the next track button does not react with n950 media player |
| 09:44.43 | Jaffa | alterego: "With delivery courier", and I received an "out for delivery" email |
| 09:45.39 | alterego | You're a ho bag :P |
| 09:45.43 | lardman | Jaffa: the wonders of courier timestamps, updated 6h after the event? |
| 09:45.48 | alterego | I still don't have launchpad confirmation yet :( |
| 09:46.13 | lardman | alterego: nor me |
| 09:46.47 | Venemo | Jaffa, how so quickly? I haven't even got any reply for my account ID from Quim |
| 09:47.01 | alterego | Venemo: he aready had a valid launchpad account |
| 09:47.19 | Venemo | alterego, ah. that launchpad thing seems to be the bottleneck |
| 09:49.19 | alterego | It is, a few of us, like we aid yesterday have beeen waiting greater than 6 months for an approval. |
| 09:49.24 | lardman | Venemo: I don't think there were replies for the account ids, certianly I didn't get one |
| 09:49.28 | alterego | But this should get the shoe in the door, so-to-speak. |
| 09:49.40 | alterego | lardman: and you've got it in launchpad now?> |
| 09:49.42 | Venemo | alterego :) |
| 09:49.47 | lardman | alterego: no |
| 09:50.06 | alterego | lardman: ah, well I wasn't expecting a reply from quim, I was kinda expecting a mail from launchpad |
| 09:50.14 | alterego | Venemo: have you created a launchpad account yet? If not, do so. |
| 09:50.22 | alterego | I think we may as well all be in the same boat. |
| 09:50.22 | lardman | same, but I was just replying to Venemo's comment |
| 09:50.29 | Venemo | alterego, I applied at https://www.developer.nokia.com/Profile/Join_Program.xhtml?programName=Launchpad%20for%20individuals |
| 09:50.39 | Venemo | it says, The applicant will be notified by e-mail once the membership application has been reviewed. |
| 09:50.45 | Venemo | and I definitely have NOT been notified. |
| 09:50.52 | alterego | Venemo: okay, good. I guess we should just sit and wait, and maybe come up with a plan to knock Jaffa down :P |
| 09:51.06 | Venemo | I understand that others have waited for 6 months or so |
| 09:51.17 | Venemo | so what then, I'll get an N950 for christmas? how nice! |
| 09:51.44 | lardman | lol |
| 09:51.57 | alterego | Venemo: neah, that's the wait we've waited without any other Nokia involvement, basically they advertised free WP7 and E7 devices earlier this year and a lot of people applied, they're probably still looking through the admissions now ;) |
| 09:52.10 | alterego | The point about the AID sending to Quim, is to get quick tracked through the process. |
| 09:52.23 | Venemo | this contradicts what Quim said, i.e. "we want to get the devices to the hands of the developers as fast as we can" |
| 09:52.40 | alterego | Venemo: believe me, this is probably as fast as they can ;) |
| 09:52.53 | khertan__ | Venemo, it 1 days ago ... it s not too long :) |
| 09:52.58 | Venemo | it feels bad that there is an N950 in there waiting for me, but they don't send it because of some bureocratic idiocracy |
| 09:53.02 | khertan__ | stay calm ...you will get it :) |
| 09:53.06 | Venemo | ok khertan__ & alterego |
| 09:53.11 | alterego | I'll be sad if we don't get the confirmation sorted today though :D |
| 09:53.13 | Venemo | patience is a virtue, I know :) |
| 09:53.22 | alterego | Because then we could have them on Monday |
| 09:53.52 | khertan__ | yep... anyway in france ... it ll mainly depends who do the delivery, if it s french poste ... i can wait 3 weeks |
| 09:53.59 | alterego | Anyway, who has an N950 now? |
| 09:54.00 | khertan__ | so one day or two ... more :) |
| 09:54.01 | alterego | I've got a question |
| 09:54.21 | Venemo | alterego, Jaffa and macmaN have one |
| 09:54.24 | alterego | macmaN: can you pastie the contents of the mount command. |
| 09:54.37 | alterego | Venemo: Jaffa's hasn't arrived yet ;) |
| 09:54.55 | alterego | I wanna know what the partition structure is like, rootfs, mydocs etc. |
| 09:55.09 | alterego | I know the 512M NAND is being used for swap |
| 09:55.18 | alterego | Wondering how large our root is |
| 09:55.27 | alterego | And how much storage we have for media, etc. |
| 09:56.00 | Venemo | w00t__, http://www.developer.nokia.com/Profile/premium_profile.xhtml -> top left field, AID-0000xxxxxx that is your developer account id |
| 09:56.38 | macmaN | i noticed aegisfs there a lot |
| 09:57.20 | Venemo | alterego, NAND is used for swap? didn't you tell me once that a NAND would wear out too quickly if it was used as swap? |
| 09:57.32 | alterego | Venemo: I'm not happy about it ;) |
| 09:57.34 | lardman | Venemo: Jaffa's is enroute afaiu |
| 09:57.41 | alterego | Venemo: but they obviously know what they're doing. |
| 09:57.48 | ZogG | http://i.imgur.com/jAu9v.jpg |
| 09:57.57 | alterego | macmaN: could you pastie for me? ^.^ |
| 09:58.34 | Venemo | alterego, yeah. which raises the question whether we could use the N900's "rootfs" as swap for MeeGo CE |
| 09:58.50 | Venemo | alterego, or perhaps it would be better spent used as a rootfs still |
| 09:59.07 | w00t__ | Venemo: thanks |
| 09:59.32 | macmaN | alterego: i cant copy paste terminal to browser |
| 09:59.42 | macmaN | how should i do this |
| 09:59.47 | alterego | Venemo: well, me and Stskeeps are doing some research into making a very minimal, quick and super slick MeeGo for N900 in a small 256M footprint |
| 09:59.51 | alterego | Using Wayland and Qt5 |
| 10:00.22 | macmaN | alterego: where can i track this |
| 10:00.26 | macmaN | that sounds awesomez |
| 10:00.28 | Venemo | alterego, that sounds very nice |
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| 10:00.42 | robbiethe1st | So long as it incorporates Cordia, I'll be happy |
| 10:00.44 | alterego | macmaN: nothing public yet. So don't get too worked up, we'll be working on it over the summer months. |
| 10:01.01 | robbiethe1st | Because Hildon's an *excellent* UI |
| 10:01.02 | alterego | Expect a _lot_ of noise about it once we actually get some where :D |
| 10:01.22 | alterego | robbiethe1st: it wont be Cordia, it'll be our own environment based on qt (qml) compositor |
| 10:01.37 | macmaN | alterego: where are you guys located? |
| 10:01.40 | alterego | the idea is to make an extremely low footprint meego-esque install for a "feature" phone |
| 10:01.42 | Venemo | alterego, I'm not saying that the whole thing should fit into the 256M... you could probably put /usr on the eMMC, with the exception of the most used binaries |
| 10:01.54 | alterego | So it wont have smart phone functionality, our first target is basically just a working dialer application. |
| 10:02.16 | SpeedEvil | alterego: :) |
| 10:03.11 | alterego | Like I said, feature phone install, kind of an S40 replacement. |
| 10:03.42 | Venemo | what's the point of that? |
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| 10:04.13 | alterego | Venemo: itch scratching :) |
| 10:04.33 | Venemo | lol |
| 10:05.19 | alterego | It's a market MeeGo isn't prepared to go yet, but could potentially be a game changer, imo. |
| 10:05.30 | Venemo | robbiethe1st, the problem is not whether Hildon is an excellent UI (because it is), just that MeeGo can't currently offer a better one |
| 10:05.40 | robbiethe1st | why not? |
| 10:06.06 | alterego | No one has wrote it |
| 10:06.07 | macmaN | alterego: i got a little bit of info about nokia strategy regarding that stuff |
| 10:06.10 | alterego | Well, except swipe :) |
| 10:06.13 | Venemo | robbiethe1st, dunno. Handset UX is crappier than Hildon, also the tablet UX is good, but not yet optimized of that screen size. |
| 10:06.14 | macmaN | they def want to go therer |
| 10:06.26 | robbiethe1st | Yea, sounds about right |
| 10:06.35 | Venemo | robbiethe1st, so if we manage to get Cordia out of the door, then it will dominate the MeeGo UX scene :) |
| 10:06.44 | robbiethe1st | That's for sure |
| 10:06.45 | Venemo | alterego, maybe so, but in that case, those won't be "feature" phones anymore |
| 10:06.47 | robbiethe1st | It's nice. |
| 10:06.59 | alterego | Venemo: oh well :) |
| 10:07.08 | alterego | checks email again |
| 10:07.39 | Venemo | has Hotmail pinned as "app tab" in Firefox and is hitting F5 every 15 minutes since yesterday |
| 10:07.48 | alterego | Heh |
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| 10:08.07 | Venemo | robbiethe1st, that's probably until Intel adapts their UX to the phone screen size |
| 10:08.26 | Venemo | robbiethe1st, or until Wayland comes out... hildon-desktop is in no way prepared for wayland. |
| 10:08.49 | alterego | I think hildon is okay, |
| 10:08.53 | alterego | But I think swipe is better |
| 10:09.10 | alterego | If swipe had _another_ home screen, like a dock screep for widgets, then I'd love it :) |
| 10:09.11 | Venemo | sure, but swipe is closed |
| 10:09.30 | Jaffa | alterego: It's "delivered" and "signed for" (by "RAFIQ"). So it's somewhere in the building :-) |
| 10:09.54 | robbiethe1st | I actually like the z-axis zoom method of Hildon... |
| 10:10.02 | w00t__ | Jaffa: :-) |
| 10:10.04 | robbiethe1st | with apps/home/open apps |
| 10:10.06 | lardman | Jaffa: quick call HR and find out who this person is! |
| 10:10.13 | SpeedEvil | is rafiq. |
| 10:10.19 | SpeedEvil | runs away with an n950. |
| 10:10.21 | lardman | rafiq leaves the building |
| 10:10.42 | w00t__ | still wonders how he's going to actually manage to get his |
| 10:10.51 | w00t__ | the curse of moving to a tiny town.. |
| 10:10.57 | robbiethe1st | Mail? |
| 10:11.08 | w00t__ | robbiethe1st: I don't even have a street name |
| 10:11.15 | w00t__ | post there relies on them knowing who lives where |
| 10:11.28 | robbiethe1st | ah |
| 10:11.39 | robbiethe1st | Well, make sure they know where you are? |
| 10:11.47 | SpeedEvil | My village is like that too. |
| 10:11.49 | w00t__ | already in the process of working that out :-) |
| 10:11.56 | SpeedEvil | One main street, with named houses along it |
| 10:12.19 | alterego | w00t__: make yourself known, run down the street naked :) |
| 10:12.24 | w00t__ | SpeedEvil: this is a bit bigger, some 3k people.. but a lot of the small streets aren't named or numbered |
| 10:12.33 | alterego | Run into the post office and say "You haz my package?>!?" |
| 10:13.34 | SpeedEvil | I guess 800? |
| 10:13.52 | SpeedEvil | 400, on reflection. |
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| 10:16.31 | ZogG | google+ madness=) who wanna try? |
| 10:17.58 | khertan__ | :) |
| 10:18.07 | Venemo | w00t__, I live in a village, how is that related to the issue? |
| 10:18.39 | w00t__ | Venemo: I'm not there (yet), but I will be in ~1.5 weeks |
| 10:18.50 | w00t__ | it's just a bit complicated |
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| 10:29.46 | alterego | Looks like Jaffa is minutes away from his N950 |
| 10:29.51 | alterego | nyurgh |
| 10:30.28 | macmaN | lol sounds pornish |
| 10:30.29 | crashanddie | alterego, no he's not. |
| 10:30.35 | Jaffa | alterego: Unfortunately, it's release day and we've got about 4 blockers open |
| 10:30.42 | Jaffa | So I might not have time to play :-( |
| 10:30.43 | khertan__ | i would dislike doing the qgil current jobs ... offering device ... people complain and whine for delay ... :) |
| 10:30.53 | alterego | Haha :P |
| 10:30.58 | Jaffa | khertan__: Indeed. Impatience is one of the virtues of a programmer, though |
| 10:31.23 | crashanddie | Virtues |
| 10:31.24 | crashanddie | ? |
| 10:31.39 | khertan__ | Jaffa, :) |
| 10:31.48 | Jaffa | crashanddie: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Wall#Virtues_of_a_programmer |
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| 10:35.04 | alterego | Why, WHY does crhome take over my bloody URL opening stuff .. |
| 10:35.08 | alterego | removes chrome |
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| 10:36.50 | robbiethe1st | Aand, with that, Backupmenu 1.0RC1 is now uploaded. |
| 10:36.58 | robbiethe1st | I'm just about considering it finished |
| 10:37.11 | robbiethe1st | I added a proper format to the restore; should fix issues with the Optfs |
| 10:37.41 | hiemanshu | if you dont have patience, you can learn it by waiting for Qt to build on a single core 2.4ghz system |
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| 10:38.11 | khertan__ | hiemanshu, or on an n900 |
| 10:38.42 | hiemanshu | khertan__: well yes that too |
| 10:38.45 | hiemanshu | khertan__: congrats btw |
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| 10:42.02 | lardman | hiemanshu: that's nothing, try an OpenZaurus toolchain + world build on a 400MHz box with 64MB of RAM ;) |
| 10:42.29 | lardman | I think I killed it after a week or two |
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| 10:42.37 | hiemanshu | lardman: hah |
| 10:43.34 | Venemo | [12:35] * alterego removes chrome -> yep, crome is crap |
| 10:43.42 | hiemanshu | use Chromium! |
| 10:44.11 | Venemo | Firefox is the best browser on this planet |
| 10:44.20 | alterego | pfft, it was chromium and it hijacked all my urls |
| 10:44.38 | alterego | Even though I said, no don't be my default browser ass face. |
| 10:44.48 | hiemanshu | shoots Venemo and throws his body in the garbage truck |
| 10:45.23 | Venemo | hiemanshu, google's horseshit never will be any good, ever. including their shitty browser |
| 10:46.17 | hiemanshu | Venemo: I actually like chromium, its not as RAM hungry as firefox |
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| 10:47.55 | hiemanshu | hmmm, I need to learn to package .deb without the help of qt creator |
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| 10:49.14 | robbiethe1st | py2deb? |
| 10:49.22 | ZogG | Venemo hey buddy |
| 10:49.27 | Venemo | hey ZogG |
| 10:49.44 | Venemo | hiemanshu, maybe, but that is what RAM is for. |
| 10:49.50 | Venemo | hiemanshu, I can help you with .deb |
| 10:50.03 | ZogG | Venemo sup my man |
| 10:50.47 | Venemo | hiemanshu, you basically create a 'debian' directory in your app's root directory and put stuff in there. see https://gitorious.org/colorful-apps/puzzle-master/trees/master/debian |
| 10:52.03 | Venemo | hiemanshu, 'control' contains package data (think the top parts of a .spec file), 'rules' contains how to build it, etc. |
| 10:52.19 | Venemo | ZogG, I'm fine thanks :) awaiting for my N950 dev device |
| 10:52.31 | ZogG | Venemo \о/ |
| 10:52.44 | ZogG | i feel like loser now when you all get new device =) |
| 10:53.18 | hiemanshu | gah, /me shoots himself, built for wrong target :/ |
| 10:53.21 | Venemo | ZogG, you can get an N9 later and dowload all the apps we make with our N950s |
| 10:53.45 | ZogG | i want keyboard and i don't think i'm gonna buy n9 |
| 10:53.47 | Jaffa | hiemanshu: http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=24047&postcount=15 |
| 10:54.22 | ZogG | not avilable in our country it means it would be expensive and it is too expensive without resellers prices =) |
| 10:54.39 | hiemanshu | Jaffa: awesome, thanks |
| 10:55.26 | Jaffa | hiemanshu: It still requires the qtc_packaging stuff from Qt Creator, but does produce things which are buildable by things other than Qt Creator. |
| 10:55.59 | Jaffa | hiemanshu: There's no reason for the simple stuff, though, that you couldn't have a mud.xml file which contained the packaging info in an abstract form (for most simple apps, anyway) |
| 10:56.15 | hiemanshu | Jaffa: there is no qtc_packaging stuff at all, I am trying to build opencv and package that |
| 10:56.37 | Jaffa | hiemanshu: If it exists already, I wouldn't use Qt Creator - unless it's a Qt project. |
| 10:56.45 | Venemo | hiemanshu, it also helps if you look at debian's package collection and see how their stuff is packaged |
| 10:57.12 | hiemanshu | Jaffa: yes, I am not using Qt Creator, I am using sbox |
| 10:59.16 | jonwil | knows all about the pain of building QT on a slow system |
| 10:59.22 | jonwil | Try a 1.4Ghz P4 Gentoo box |
| 11:00.10 | jonwil | Try building a full QT/KDE setup :) |
| 11:00.44 | hiemanshu | jonwil: done :P |
| 11:03.50 | lardman | so Jaffa, do you have the device yet?! |
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| 11:04.50 | lardman | perhaps he's passed out in delight? |
| 11:05.31 | jonwil | ~seen MohammadAG |
| 11:05.32 | infobot | mohammadag is currently on #maemo (3d 10h 54m 11s) #meego (3d 10h 54m 11s). Has said a total of 707 messages. Is idling for 8h 51m 36s, last said: 'idk what its actions were'. |
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| 11:36.11 | MohammadAG | morning |
| 11:37.08 | hiemanshu | morning MohammadAG |
| 11:37.16 | MohammadAG | jonwil, sup |
| 11:37.24 | MohammadAG | morning hiemanshu :) |
| 11:37.44 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: you seem happy today :P |
| 11:37.59 | jonwil | so yeah you are doing the new lock screen? |
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| 11:39.05 | psycho_oreos | you'd be happy too if you received N950 :p |
| 11:39.12 | psycho_oreos | which I'm sure both of you have :p |
| 11:39.32 | trx | id be happy to receve any mail |
| 11:39.33 | psycho_oreos | correction, get accepted for DDP on N9 dev kit |
| 11:39.37 | jonwil | has no interest in having a N9/N950 |
| 11:39.37 | trx | even rejected :/ |
| 11:40.32 | psycho_oreos | my assumptions are they may be am on the way to firing out a whole bunch of rejected DDP lol |
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| 11:41.17 | MohammadAG | jonwil, yep |
| 11:41.23 | ZogG | MohammadAG \о |
| 11:41.29 | MohammadAG | technically it runs over the old one, but it works ;) |
| 11:41.34 | MohammadAG | o/ ZogG |
| 11:41.57 | ZogG | MohammadAG sup dude |
| 11:42.00 | jonwil | am I correct in thinking that the reason it has to run over the old one is that we cant replace libsystemuiplugin_tklock.so? |
| 11:42.02 | ZogG | kinda missed you =) |
| 11:42.15 | jonwil | Because I happen to be mapping out all the external things required to create such a replacement |
| 11:42.25 | jonwil | which isnt as hard as it sounds |
| 11:42.32 | MohammadAG | jonwil, yep |
| 11:42.51 | MohammadAG | ZogG, heh nothing much, same as always |
| 11:42.59 | ZogG | jonwil, sounds great |
| 11:43.14 | ZogG | MohammadAG, got approved on n950 btw? |
| 11:43.30 | ZogG | MohammadAG, just got from miluim. did you apply for school already? |
| 11:43.32 | MohammadAG | jonwil, while you're doing that, can you find the methods to get notification count? |
| 11:43.50 | MohammadAG | ZogG, yeah (N950), no (school) |
| 11:43.57 | ZogG | MohammadAG what do you mena notification count? |
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| 11:44.05 | ZogG | MohammadAG good, bad |
| 11:44.05 | jonwil | If you know what binary or binaries I should look into, I can look into that for you |
| 11:44.05 | MohammadAG | need my psychometric exam mark |
| 11:44.21 | ZogG | MohammadAG how did it go? |
| 11:44.31 | MohammadAG | same binary jonwil |
| 11:44.34 | ZogG | it's such a bullsht |
| 11:44.36 | MohammadAG | ZogG, exam on 7/7 |
| 11:44.42 | MohammadAG | indeed |
| 11:44.46 | jonwil | so the lockscreen displays the notification count? |
| 11:44.47 | ZogG | MohammadAG, i did it |
| 11:44.51 | ZogG | and i didn't study at all |
| 11:44.54 | MohammadAG | jonwil, yeah |
| 11:45.09 | ZogG | all test were great |
| 11:45.10 | ZogG | and real exam wasn't as i even didn't sleep before it =) |
| 11:45.14 | MohammadAG | it's not hard ZogG, you just have to think fast :P |
| 11:45.27 | ZogG | and it was a lot of hours =( |
| 11:45.31 | jonwil | ok, I found it |
| 11:45.41 | jonwil | There is no function to get the notification count |
| 11:45.45 | MohammadAG | 3/4? can take that, will be bored but I can take it |
| 11:45.49 | RST38h | Mohammad: What exam? |
| 11:45.51 | MohammadAG | jonwil, no sqlite calls? |
| 11:45.56 | jonwil | yes there is |
| 11:45.58 | ZogG | MohammadAG it's about concentration, i can concentrate on something boring for hours |
| 11:46.10 | MohammadAG | then it's using the db directly :/ |
| 11:46.32 | MohammadAG | RST38h, some Israeli test you need for unis here |
| 11:46.45 | ZogG | RST38h, same as in US |
| 11:46.58 | RST38h | Ah, the local variety of SAT or EGE |
| 11:47.33 | RST38h | thinks harder figures that EGE will probably spell as UFE in English |
| 11:47.36 | MohammadAG | the SATs are more umm, sane ZogG :P |
| 11:47.44 | ZogG | RST38h is it yours/ i mean LJ? |
| 11:47.56 | RST38h | ZogG: No, it is a movie review community |
| 11:47.56 | ZogG | MohammadAG it's all about money |
| 11:48.05 | ZogG | test to check you and not to learn you before |
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| 11:48.20 | ZogG | RST38h it looks like trashy trash |
| 11:48.25 | RST38h | ZogG: in this case, reviewing the trashiest flick ever |
| 11:48.28 | ZogG | insane i would say |
| 11:48.31 | Jaffa | I have an N950 in my hands. |
| 11:48.36 | MohammadAG | what's "tentatively"? |
| 11:48.45 | ZogG | Jaffa mazal tov |
| 11:48.46 | RST38h | ZogG: Shaolin masters facepalm in shame! |
| 11:49.06 | RST38h | Jaffa: You lucky individual... Still haven't got any response from Quim |
| 11:49.13 | ZogG | RST38h haha, but i know more trashy movie i think |
| 11:49.31 | ZogG | RST38h are you developing nything? |
| 11:49.48 | RST38h | Jaffa: On the other hand, celestial trajectories only take my means of transport to US between 9th and 21st |
| 11:49.56 | ZogG | maybe i should email Quim and test my luck if not all devices are sent? =) |
| 11:50.13 | ZogG | RST38h check the Pasechnik movie |
| 11:50.13 | RST38h | ZogG: ninjas kill themselves when they see this: http://images107.fotki.com/v159/photos/7/1637787/9838565/PDVD_074-vi.jpg |
| 11:50.20 | wifiprob | hi all. i have set up a wireless adhoc om my computer in order to share the internet connection with my n900. i am able to connect to this wifi adhoc network from my phone, but am not able to browse the internet or execute apt-get update from the terminal either. how do i solve this? |
| 11:50.28 | RST38h | ZogG: Oh, but Pasechnik was actually done this way ON PURPOSE |
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| 11:50.51 | ZogG | RST38h and this one they wanted to make as a Matrix style movie? |
| 11:51.21 | ZogG | wifiprob i think the problem is in how you set up adhoc |
| 11:51.25 | RST38h | ZogG: I am porting my own stuff (open source and not), porting FBReader, and most likely doing one more project that would like to keep private for now |
| 11:51.46 | ZogG | FBReader is yours? |
| 11:52.06 | wifiprob | ZogG: it's a wep network with security key 6173646667 |
| 11:52.10 | RST38h | ZogG: Frankly, I think this one was caused by toadstools and one ninja movie too many |
| 11:52.21 | ZogG | RST38h i know your are sansei from chan but never knew any project you worked on |
| 11:52.24 | RST38h | ZogG: No, but I maintained the Maemo5 port |
| 11:52.36 | MohammadAG | Jaffa, holy crap you got it? |
| 11:52.39 | RST38h | ZogG: http://fms.komkon.org |
| 11:52.52 | RST38h | ZogG: And a search at maemo.org |
| 11:53.55 | ZogG | RST38h so you are the one porting all emulators? |
| 11:54.06 | RST38h | ZogG: I am the one *writing* all emulators. |
| 11:54.20 | RST38h | And not "all", really :) |
| 11:54.20 | macmaN | Jaffa: how you like it? :) |
| 11:55.20 | wifiprob | ZogG: any suggestions as to how to set up the adhoc differently? |
| 11:56.36 | ZogG | wifiprob, is it windows or linux machine? |
| 11:56.56 | wifiprob | ZogG: windows |
| 11:56.58 | wifiprob | 7 |
| 11:57.02 | ZogG | i think it's set right as you can connect, but not sure if you set the internet sharing |
| 11:57.08 | ZogG | check for that thing |
| 11:57.11 | ZogG | google it |
| 11:57.35 | Jaffa | macmaN: Heavier than I was expecting (and heavier than the N9). Screen is gorgeous (it's even more gorgeouser on the N9) |
| 11:57.37 | wifiprob | ZogG: i've turned that internet connection sharing option to on |
| 11:57.39 | ZogG | RST38h are you from USA? |
| 11:57.49 | ZogG | and why would you provide your phone and all info ? =) |
| 11:57.58 | RST38h | ZogG: ? |
| 11:58.10 | RST38h | ZogG: Sorry? |
| 11:58.14 | ZogG | Jaffa so is N9 screen better? |
| 11:58.26 | lardman | dreams of large screens |
| 11:59.06 | ZogG | RST38h http://fms.komkon.org/Resume.html |
| 11:59.15 | ZogG | dreams of naked lardman |
| 11:59.37 | Jaffa | ZogG: Yes. |
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| 11:59.44 | RST38h | ZogG: It is a standard resume |
| 11:59.47 | hiemanshu | Venemo: 'Sorry for the confusion about developer.nokia.com IDs. In fact your username e.g. quimgil is enough, but all those extra codes are helpful avoiding mistakes. ':P :P :P |
| 11:59.52 | Jaffa | played with an N9 prototype a few weeks ago |
| 11:59.52 | lardman | ZogG: that is worrying :D |
| 11:59.58 | Venemo | hiemanshu, LoooooL |
| 12:00.03 | Venemo | shoots alterego |
| 12:00.04 | RST38h | ZogG: When you want people to hire you, you obviously leave your coordinates |
| 12:00.04 | ZogG | RST38h at top it says you live in USA and there is phone number |
| 12:00.24 | RST38h | ZogG: Yes, that is my US address and phone number. Why? |
| 12:00.38 | robbiethe1st | So, new version of BackupMenu is online! |
| 12:00.55 | ZogG | RST38h i thought you still in Russia |
| 12:01.44 | RST38h | ZogG: That is also correct. |
| 12:02.41 | ZogG | RST38h it's like Nobody, the movie |
| 12:03.27 | macmaN | robbiethe1st: awesomez! do you run uboot as well? |
| 12:03.40 | macmaN | Jaffa: yes N9 is just completely orgasmic screen |
| 12:03.51 | ZogG | =( |
| 12:03.51 | robbiethe1st | Not currently, but I ran it earlier, when it was included with one Power Kernel version |
| 12:03.56 | ZogG | i want one too |
| 12:03.58 | ZogG | =((( |
| 12:04.19 | ZogG | MohammadAG how we get N9 here? and it would probably cost milions =) |
| 12:04.27 | robbiethe1st | I just haven't had any need to run it... Meego doesn't really interest me, and I've got EasyDebian in place of Ubuntu etc. |
| 12:04.42 | macmaN | robbiethe1st: ok there is no issue with both of them being installed? i thought that both wanting to do something when keyboard is open might be something wonky |
| 12:04.47 | robbiethe1st | Android might be fun... but the morons won't switch to uboot, so... not going to use |
| 12:04.52 | robbiethe1st | Shouldn't be, no |
| 12:05.08 | robbiethe1st | Backupmenu will only start after uboot starts to boot Maemo |
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| 12:05.22 | macmaN | ahhh ok |
| 12:07.32 | ZogG | Jaffa stop putting n950 pics on twitter, people may die =)))) |
| 12:07.57 | lardman | installs Harmattan SDK on his netbook for want of any other Linux machine with a network connection |
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| 12:10.08 | hiemanshu | ZogG: link please |
| 12:10.22 | ZogG | hiemanshu which one? |
| 12:10.31 | hiemanshu | ZogG: <ZogG> Jaffa stop putting n950 pics on twitter, people may die =)))) |
| 12:10.59 | ZogG | hiemanshu obv it's on tweeter. search for @Jaffa2 |
| 12:11.03 | lardman | Jaffa: to second fiferboy's question, what did you need to do in Launchpad, anything at all other than just having it setup? |
| 12:11.38 | ZogG | lardman lauchpad? for meego? like in ubuntu? |
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| 12:12.16 | lardman | it's a Nokia developer thingie needed to get the dev devices |
| 12:12.47 | ZogG | what? |
| 12:13.09 | hiemanshu | ZogG: Nokia Launchpad |
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| 12:13.23 | hiemanshu | Jaffa: where are the devices being shipped from? |
| 12:14.14 | ZogG | i thinks it's better to get n950 chan =) |
| 12:14.57 | lardman | yeah it might well be worth having something like that |
| 12:15.57 | ZogG | so i wouldn't be jealous here =P |
| 12:16.26 | hiemanshu | yeah |
| 12:16.35 | hiemanshu | well if its being shipped from china \o/ |
| 12:17.37 | Jaffa | hiemanshu: Helsinki |
| 12:18.09 | Jaffa | lardman: I got an email from no-reply-developer@nokia.com, subject "You have a Nokia N950 waiting for you" which gave me a link to the DDP to order it |
| 12:18.23 | lardman | ok cool, thanks |
| 12:19.20 | alterego | snail tracked more like it .. |
| 12:19.22 | alterego | sighs |
| 12:19.57 | alterego | I should probably do some work to get my mind of this ;) |
| 12:20.00 | lardman | I know the feeling alterego, but at least we're part way there |
| 12:21.54 | cpscotti | alterego: same here! |
| 12:21.59 | cpscotti | (btw, hi!) |
| 12:22.23 | Jaffa | No built-in Twitter for news feed or Google Talk, as far as I can tell :-( |
| 12:22.56 | frals | Jaffa: not in your build :p |
| 12:23.03 | Jaffa | frals: :-( |
| 12:23.06 | Jaffa | frals: apt-gettable? |
| 12:23.06 | RST38h | Jaffa: I think there will be diamond-encrusted N950s in 2 years time |
| 12:23.09 | frals | doubt it |
| 12:23.19 | ZogG | Jaffa what is this green thing near clock? |
| 12:23.22 | macmaN | as part of their Nertu line? |
| 12:23.24 | RST38h | Jaffa: When the thing advances to a real rarity status |
| 12:23.27 | frals | ZogG: presence for IM |
| 12:23.35 | frals | ZogG: or notifications, if its a flag |
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| 12:23.43 | ZogG | frals thought so |
| 12:23.44 | Jaffa | ZogG: Presence for IM. Facebook chat currently |
| 12:24.01 | ZogG | frals so how hard it was to have n9 and not telling people? =) |
| 12:24.09 | macmaN | Jaffa: does your screen timeout display the lock? N9 does and this doesnt |
| 12:24.15 | macmaN | the clock* |
| 12:25.03 | Jaffa | macmaN: No, despite it being set to in settings. Due to power consumption of LCD vs. AMOLED IIRC |
| 12:25.38 | macmaN | ohhh |
| 12:25.40 | macmaN | mmmmkay |
| 12:25.46 | jaska | nertu? nerdvertu?:D |
| 12:25.53 | macmaN | u got it jaska |
| 12:25.55 | macmaN | :P |
| 12:25.58 | ZogG | n950 has lcd right? |
| 12:25.58 | Jaffa | Terminal, in landscape, shows about 7 lines with vkb. |
| 12:26.03 | Jaffa | ZogG: Yes |
| 12:26.08 | macmaN | yeah. that is completely useless :) |
| 12:27.10 | macmaN | im struggling that there seems to be no indicator light on screen timeout |
| 12:27.16 | macmaN | of missed calls and messages |
| 12:27.25 | macmaN | it looks like a dead brick on timeout |
| 12:27.26 | macmaN | :) |
| 12:27.34 | macmaN | a damn goodlooking brick. but still a brick. |
| 12:27.42 | ZogG | haha |
| 12:27.53 | ZogG | it doesn't have any led, does it? |
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| 12:29.59 | X-Fade | It does. |
| 12:30.26 | frals | Jaffa: you can pinch to zoom in out and in terminal |
| 12:30.33 | frals | ZogG: ;) |
| 12:31.04 | macmaN | also can i haz headphoned on harmattan kthxbai |
| 12:31.52 | ZogG | frals, i think it would be hard for me. did you tell close friends? |
| 12:32.16 | frals | ZogG: i told none, not even my gf :p |
| 12:32.30 | frals | ZogG: which is why there was no leaks about it |
| 12:32.41 | frals | (more or less) :p |
| 12:32.44 | ZogG | but you are not the one who had it |
| 12:33.05 | ZogG | i don't have gf but i didn't get n9, it's unfair world here =) |
| 12:34.00 | lardman | well I've got a wife and haven't got one yet, so perhaps there's a plateau somewhere in the middle ;) |
| 12:34.29 | lardman | though Jaffa blows that theory out of the water of course |
| 12:34.40 | frals | lardman: :D |
| 12:35.19 | khertan__ | click click click click refresh email limit excedeed |
| 12:35.54 | macmaN | imap idle ftw dude |
| 12:36.16 | ZogG | frals are you still in Nokia? |
| 12:40.55 | khertan__ | macmaN, imap idle works when stupid implemented server do it |
| 12:41.18 | macmaN | dovecot ftw |
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| 12:41.24 | macmaN | support finnish |
| 12:44.50 | flux | does N9/N950 email client finally support IDLE?-) |
| 12:46.41 | cehteh | anyone seriously considering to buy a n9? :) |
| 12:47.13 | alterego | Yup |
| 12:47.22 | alterego | Not seriously, I will do it :P |
| 12:48.23 | lardman | hmm, anyone else have the SDK installed fall over with "No protocol specified"? |
| 12:48.30 | lardman | s/installed/installer |
| 12:50.54 | macmaN | thats a X11 issue |
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| 12:51.09 | macmaN | set XAUTHORITY to ~youruser/.Xauthority |
| 12:51.09 | lardman | yeah, I'm just wondering how to fix it - what causes it, etc |
| 12:51.32 | lardman | root |
| 12:51.58 | ZogG | alterego than buy another one for me =) |
| 12:52.17 | alterego | pffft |
| 12:52.28 | alterego | I'll buy one for me and one for my gf :P |
| 12:54.58 | lardman | right, pointed the sudo -i term's XAUTHORITY env var at my normal login one |
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| 12:55.55 | frals | ZogG: yes |
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| 13:00.35 | Jaffa | frals: Lack of Twitter & Google Chat is annoying. But let me copy some content on it from my N900 :-) |
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| 13:01.21 | frals | Jaffa: the fact you can see "via Twitter from N9" should maybe hint that there is a twitter app in later builds ;) |
| 13:01.44 | frals | think ive seen gchat as well, but i cant comment on if that is being shipped or not etc etc etc |
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| 13:04.58 | lardman | pokes "Get Mail" a few times just on the off chance Launchpad have launched an email his way |
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| 13:05.20 | user_ | hello |
| 13:07.29 | alterego | I've seen google talk on it too. |
| 13:07.33 | alterego | Pretty sure it's there. |
| 13:07.36 | macmaN | Jaffa: i guess no easy way to migrate n900 conversations db over right |
| 13:08.19 | lardman | macmaN: is that not saved by the Ovi Suite stuff? |
| 13:10.12 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, you're the worst. |
| 13:11.36 | Jaffa | macmaN: I very much doubt it |
| 13:12.02 | Jaffa | wants some threaded email so he can see if that's handled |
| 13:12.32 | macmaN | wants working openvpn |
| 13:12.43 | macmaN | needs to learn dpkg-buildpackage |
| 13:13.00 | lardman | wants an email from Nokia Launchpad |
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| 13:13.53 | Mece | o/ |
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| 13:19.36 | SpeedEvil | wants an email from Quim. |
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| 13:21.06 | SpeedEvil | makes up with it by sending a nasty email about his courier site not propelry attributing openstreetmap imagery. |
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| 13:28.11 | Jaffa | macmaN: frals: Have you succeeded in adding CalDAV to Google Calendar? |
| 13:28.24 | macmaN | come again? |
| 13:28.34 | macmaN | reverse? |
| 13:29.06 | Jaffa | I mean adding calendars from Google Calendar to Harmattan using CalDAV |
| 13:29.43 | X-Fade | Jaffa: Yes, works for me. |
| 13:29.47 | macmaN | right. no havent tried it. i am trying to get openvpn going so i can connect to me intranet davical caldav |
| 13:30.07 | Jaffa | X-Fade: Can you msg me the URL you used? There are two different ones given on Google Calendar's help |
| 13:30.26 | X-Fade | Jaffa: https://www.google.com/calendar/dav/ iirc. |
| 13:30.29 | khertan__ | how can i list all package where i am the maintainer in maemo extras-devel ? |
| 13:30.40 | X-Fade | Jaffa: But let me check, this was from memory :) |
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| 13:31.34 | X-Fade | khertan__: http://maemo.org/packages/maintainer/list/khertan/ |
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| 13:33.07 | X-Fade | Jaffa: Yes, that is the url. |
| 13:33.09 | khertan__ | X-Fade, perfect ! thx ! |
| 13:33.55 | Jaffa | X-Fade: OK, thanks. Have you done a couple of calendars? |
| 13:34.33 | Jaffa | 's N900 is rubbish at Bluetooth. |
| 13:35.08 | divan | X-Fade, I've also the question for you ) Is there a way to see the statistics for maintained applications' downloads? |
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| 13:35.47 | X-Fade | Jaffa: No, only one. |
| 13:35.55 | Jaffa | X-Fade: OK, thanks |
| 13:36.07 | X-Fade | Jaffa: But you can add multiple it seems. |
| 13:37.49 | Jaffa | X-Fade: Indeed |
| 13:37.55 | Jaffa | X-Fade: Working for my main calendar, thanks |
| 13:39.32 | divan | X-Fade, I mean for apps which aren't in stable repo. |
| 13:40.28 | X-Fade | divan: Copy url from statistics in downloads and change extras to extras-devel :) |
| 13:41.16 | Jaffa | tries with a shared calendar <crosses fingers/> |
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| 13:41.49 | Mece | o.O jaffa |
| 13:41.54 | divan | X-Fade, I've tried that, but it's javascript powered and pasting URL of statistics graph simply redirects to the page back. |
| 13:41.58 | Mece | well? |
| 13:42.08 | X-Fade | divan: It is in an iframe. |
| 13:42.25 | X-Fade | divan: Use the outer one. |
| 13:42.31 | divan | hmm, I can't open it with chrome. Will try in other browser, thanks. |
| 13:45.29 | MohammadAG | anyone besides Jaffa got a confirmation email yet? |
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| 13:46.04 | lardman | not here |
| 13:46.23 | lardman | but then Jaffa already had Launchpad setup |
| 13:46.29 | javispedro | needs to buy a dell laptop for work, any suggestion? |
| 13:46.55 | javispedro | s/buy/choose |
| 13:47.05 | MohammadAG | yeah, don't buy a Dell |
| 13:47.50 | divan | X-Fade, is there any parameters for the stats script for scaling? I.e. to obtain that graph in bigger resolution, |
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| 13:48.05 | alterego | Not looking hopeful for the launchpad fast tracking happening today, oh well, wait until Monday then .. |
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| 13:48.44 | MohammadAG | wait there's a tracking number? |
| 13:48.46 | X-Fade | divan: Yeah, just edit the css with something like firebug. |
| 13:48.47 | javispedro | MohammadAG, not that I want to, but I'm forced. That's why I have to ask =) |
| 13:48.47 | lardman | well there are still some hours left of today |
| 13:48.48 | macmaN | depends on the model and what exactly youre looking for from the laptop |
| 13:48.57 | javispedro | lardman, hahahaha |
| 13:49.00 | javispedro | lardman, you optimist |
| 13:49.00 | divan | X-Fade, :) |
| 13:49.01 | macmaN | i am thinking about about latitude 13 |
| 13:49.06 | lardman | MohammadAG: fast tracking membership applications |
| 13:49.15 | macmaN | altho the battery life will likely be a murderous experience |
| 13:49.23 | lardman | javispedro: :) |
| 13:49.32 | MohammadAG | gets 2-3 hours on his HP |
| 13:49.44 | lardman | divan: did you work out a url then? |
| 13:50.10 | divan | lardman, http://maemo.org/download-stats2/index.php?os=Maemo5&unixname=unixname_of_your_package |
| 13:50.17 | Venemo | javispedro, this should give you some ideas on Linux support: http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/make/Dell/laptops |
| 13:50.51 | lardman | divan: nice, thanks |
| 13:51.08 | alterego | Wel apparently get dhl tracking numbers when we place the "order" at least Jaffa got one, would be very helpful for me. |
| 13:51.49 | Venemo | alterego, I haven't even got any response from launchpad, so I can't place an order at all |
| 13:52.25 | lardman | divan, X-Fade: that would be quite cool on a random page somewhere. I never realised it was possible for extras-* and was always curious |
| 13:52.37 | lardman | stick in the package name in question, get the graph back |
| 13:52.49 | divan | second that |
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| 13:53.16 | X-Fade | lardman: Well it shows on every page in downloads? :) |
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| 13:54.24 | lardman | X-Fade: really? I've never seen it |
| 13:54.40 | X-Fade | lardman: Don't use IE :) |
| 13:54.46 | divan | X-Fade, a lot of software in -devel and -extras not presented in Downloads Page. |
| 13:54.48 | lardman | FF5 for my sins |
| 13:55.08 | javispedro | Venemo, ta |
| 13:55.12 | lardman | I'm tempted to try IE as FF5 is such a slow memory hog |
| 13:55.32 | alterego | Venemo: I don't think anyone has outside Jaffa :P |
| 13:55.35 | javispedro | FF>3.6 suxxxss |
| 13:56.29 | hiemanshu | Jaffa: ah, so Finland to India will take a while longer :/ |
| 13:56.38 | lardman | X-Fade: also for the packages that are in Extras, I don't see a graph, just the total number of downloads |
| 13:56.43 | hiemanshu | lardman: Chromium |
| 13:56.45 | hiemanshu | lardman: or Midori |
| 13:56.56 | javispedro | webkit suxxxxxsssss |
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| 13:57.02 | lardman | Chromium was dog slow when I last tried it |
| 13:57.09 | Venemo | alterego, sure, but did Jaffa cheat? or how? |
| 13:57.10 | noobmonk3y | blinks |
| 13:57.34 | lardman | Venemo: he already had a Launchpad account |
| 13:57.34 | hiemanshu | Venemo: Beta tester for the process is what qgil says |
| 13:57.55 | Venemo | aaah. |
| 13:58.00 | Venemo | so yes, he basically cheated. |
| 13:58.03 | Venemo | :P |
| 13:58.14 | noobmonk3y | :) |
| 13:58.24 | noobmonk3y | very quiet on the Quim front today! :| |
| 13:58.25 | divan | lardman, chromium is slow? Actually, when I switched to chrome, I can't realize how could I use such slow browser as FF before.. |
| 13:58.38 | Jaffa | X-Fade: Multiple calendars work :-) |
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| 13:58.58 | X-Fade | Jaffa: Good :) |
| 13:59.00 | lardman | divan: not the rendering iirc, but the actual app itself wasn't happy |
| 13:59.16 | frals | Jaffa: whats even better, multiple MfE accounts work ;-) |
| 14:01.14 | Jaffa | frals: Why'd I use MfE? If there was auto-VPNing, maybe ;-) |
| 14:01.33 | Venemo | noobmonk3y, probably Quim is busy kicking the Nokia Launchpad guys' asses |
| 14:03.06 | trx | third batch of names released |
| 14:03.08 | rm_work | <divan> lardman, chromium is slow? Actually, when I switched to chrome, I can't realize how could I use such slow browser as FF before.. |
| 14:03.11 | rm_work | ^^^^ this |
| 14:03.24 | trx | no n950 for me :( |
| 14:03.57 | lardman | hmm, I've got 7 FF windows open, with at least 5 tabs in each; chromium was most displeased trying to do this |
| 14:04.28 | Venemo | actually, FF is not slow at all |
| 14:04.33 | lardman | I guess I could try it again, probably will do it FF's plugin container decides to sit using an entire core @ 100% for a week again |
| 14:04.45 | Venemo | if you're not pleased enough with it, download some extensions that tweak its settings |
| 14:04.58 | Venemo | for example, the automatic DNS, or "FasterFox" |
| 14:05.05 | javispedro | congratulates DocScrutinizer |
| 14:05.10 | DocScrutinizer | eh? |
| 14:05.16 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: selected? |
| 14:05.20 | DocScrutinizer | o.O |
| 14:05.32 | macmaN | Jaffa: ok so the biggest thing about the old firmware on N950 right now is the fact that you cannot close apps with down swipe |
| 14:05.40 | lardman | Venemo: there's nothing in particular, I'm on a very fast pc on a very fast link, but it does bog down loading pages sometimes, which is annoying |
| 14:05.41 | Jaffa | macmaN: Aye :-( |
| 14:05.41 | macmaN | Jaffa: N9 had a setting in settings, N950 doesnt have it |
| 14:05.41 | DocScrutinizer | searches the browser window |
| 14:05.44 | trx | DocScrutinizer congrats :)) |
| 14:05.49 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer, http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/Community_device_program/Nokia |
| 14:05.53 | macmaN | im getting like 20 random open windows there now all the fircking time |
| 14:05.59 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer, unless you have an evil twin named the same as you :) |
| 14:06.20 | Jaffa | javispedro: He *is* the evil twin |
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| 14:06.31 | javispedro | the third batch is actually interesting, cause I know more names from the third bach than the second |
| 14:06.36 | javispedro | *batch |
| 14:06.38 | hiemanshu | hmmm, /me doesn't really know a lot of names |
| 14:06.52 | DocScrutinizer | yoh indeed |
| 14:06.55 | DocScrutinizer | thanks |
| 14:07.04 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: congrats |
| 14:07.04 | Venemo | where is the third batch? |
| 14:07.08 | Venemo | definitely not on the wiki |
| 14:07.09 | hiemanshu | Venemo: at the end |
| 14:07.16 | hiemanshu | it is |
| 14:07.23 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: indeed the third batch seems the dirty dozen |
| 14:07.24 | javispedro | also wazd got one :) |
| 14:07.29 | Venemo | aaah |
| 14:07.31 | Venemo | I found it |
| 14:07.37 | noobmonk3y | lol Venemo |
| 14:07.39 | Venemo | indeed, DocScrutinizer is there |
| 14:07.42 | noobmonk3y | is this n950 giveaway like wimbledon, whomever makes it to the final (8thish round, wins by default?!) |
| 14:07.53 | Venemo | noobmonk3y, no |
| 14:08.05 | hiemanshu | noobmonk3y: the first round are the winners, the rest is MEH :P |
| 14:08.14 | DocScrutinizer | it's no giveaway, it's a loaner |
| 14:08.16 | rm_work | lol |
| 14:08.24 | rm_work | hey, i was in the second batch! recognize ME! :P |
| 14:08.25 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer, what is your project for N950 btw? |
| 14:08.33 | rm_work | DocScrutinizer: grats btw |
| 14:08.34 | DocScrutinizer | first of all hostmode |
| 14:08.42 | DocScrutinizer | thnx rm_work |
| 14:08.48 | frals | DocScrutinizer: on the list, even thou you cursed aegis! miracle! |
| 14:08.49 | Venemo | wants hostmode on N9x0 |
| 14:08.58 | divan | congratulates DocScrutinizer as well |
| 14:09.00 | Venemo | hey! we can now start referring to them as N9x0 :) |
| 14:09.01 | DocScrutinizer | frals: lol |
| 14:09.03 | lardman | X-Fade: do you not have a device already? |
| 14:09.19 | Venemo | or N9(x0) if we want to include N9 as well |
| 14:09.50 | Venemo | frals, they are probably sending DocScrutinizer a device which has Aegis enabled on its highest setting |
| 14:09.58 | lardman | lol |
| 14:09.58 | Termana | DocScrutinizer, woo! looks like we've got most people that hang around on IRC and/or do something meaningful on this list now (no offence if I've forgotten someone important/does something meaningful and your not on the list) |
| 14:10.01 | Termana | Venemo, lol |
| 14:10.08 | rm_work | javispedro: yeah wow, you're right though, lot of big names in this one |
| 14:10.33 | Venemo | with the little extra that when he tries to attach a USB pendrive, Aegis will blow the device off |
| 14:11.16 | DocScrutinizer | votes for >> N9(x0) << |
| 14:11.22 | Termana | Venemo, gives new meaning to the words security framework |
| 14:11.36 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer ++ |
| 14:11.52 | SpeedEvil | Meh. |
| 14:11.55 | SpeedEvil | Declined. |
| 14:12.00 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: :-( |
| 14:12.08 | trx | SpeedEvil got mail? |
| 14:12.13 | Termana | Bah |
| 14:12.13 | Venemo | Termana, forgot to say, this is an anti-virus solution. that only happens when there are viruses on said USB pendrive |
| 14:12.18 | Venemo | SpeedEvil :((( |
| 14:12.26 | Termana | Venemo, you read my mind ;) |
| 14:12.32 | SpeedEvil | trx: Just now |
| 14:12.54 | trx | SpeedEvil i have got nothing :| no mail, no name on the list... this is even worse :| |
| 14:13.07 | X-Fade | lardman: I have a proto, that needs to go back at some point :) |
| 14:13.08 | Venemo | Termana, it's a talent of mine :) |
| 14:13.45 | lardman | X-Fade: ah ok, I was going to say that otherwise if you'd just used one before your memory is very good! |
| 14:14.00 | Termana | trx, I might be wrong, but it would seem to me there should still be 20 devices without a name to them |
| 14:14.00 | X-Fade | lardman: And testing on retail and developer is also a good thing. |
| 14:14.36 | Termana | trx, or you could just be waiting on a rejection email |
| 14:14.57 | trx | Termana i believe so too, but waiting for any info is just painful now :| |
| 14:15.19 | trx | i would like to recieve even rejected mail |
| 14:15.27 | trx | so i can do other things :) |
| 14:15.32 | lardman | X-Fade: so any news on the Autumn conf? Need to organise beers :) |
| 14:15.43 | X-Fade | lardman: There won't be one. |
| 14:16.11 | lardman | Not even a Meego one? |
| 14:16.20 | X-Fade | MeeGo will possibily be in SF again in spring. |
| 14:16.40 | rm_work | sad, though that's ok for me because i couldn't make it at this point, not enough notice (or vacation time) |
| 14:16.40 | lardman | hmm, that's a bit rubbish |
| 14:16.45 | X-Fade | No, MeeGo has gone to once a year. |
| 14:16.55 | trx | 69 people, <20 devices :/ |
| 14:17.00 | lardman | when did that happen? |
| 14:17.10 | lardman | should probably check some of those Meego mails he keeps getting |
| 14:17.28 | dm8tbr | DocScrutinizer: I second your comment about the dirty dozen earlier... |
| 14:18.21 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, I feel honoured to be in that batch, with all these great names around |
| 14:18.21 | dm8tbr | DocScrutinizer: I had an absolute WTF moment when I found myself there. I'd been willing to bet money that I don't have the slightest chance. |
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| 14:18.59 | DocScrutinizer | dm8tbr: great, so N9 hostmode is on a good rail now :-) |
| 14:19.16 | dm8tbr | *nod* |
| 14:19.30 | dm8tbr | I'll have to build me a franken-cable asap |
| 14:19.53 | DocScrutinizer | just need to dig up some support from nokia, talking me thru the schematics I don't have ;-) |
| 14:20.26 | DocScrutinizer | dm8tbr: franken-cable - nice :-D |
| 14:20.47 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: you got approved? |
| 14:22.18 | Venemo | SpeedEvil, yes he got |
| 14:22.37 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 14:23.06 | pabs3 | thru the meego program or commercial dev? |
| 14:23.09 | SpeedEvil | Submitted a response to check the refusal was based on the last version of my crappy 'project page' - but ... |
| 14:23.36 | frals | SpeedEvil: what was your project? |
| 14:23.38 | lardman | pabs3: Meego program |
| 14:23.56 | lardman | pabs3: Look at the bottom of the page, shows the 2nd and 3rd round approvals |
| 14:23.58 | pabs3 | ah, nice |
| 14:24.02 | SpeedEvil | frals: Basically platform based, with some crappy apps tacked on the top. |
| 14:24.13 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.meego.com/User_talk:Speedevil/Projects |
| 14:24.48 | pabs3 | lardman: wasn't sure what DocS' real name is |
| 14:24.53 | SpeedEvil | I could have claimed to have been going to develop something vastly more, but I don't think I have the abilities in terms of apps - coming up to speed. |
| 14:25.14 | lardman | pabs3: nor is he ;) |
| 14:26.29 | noobmonk3y | oh booooger.... round 4... and still no email!!! |
| 14:26.53 | Jaffa | Anyone else found Bluetooth receiving/sending on the N900 to be sometimes unreliable? Is there a fix to the bluez configuration which everyone knows bar me? |
| 14:27.15 | SpeedEvil | Sending what? |
| 14:27.16 | lardman | Jaffa: always seems to work for me, sure it's not the other device? |
| 14:27.20 | Jaffa | Currently unimpressed with the ability to reliably send my contacts from N900 to N950 over Bluetooth; and file import doesn't seem to work. |
| 14:27.22 | trx | noobmonk3y i know how it feels :/ |
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| 14:27.33 | X-Fade | Jaffa: Just sync devices? |
| 14:27.42 | X-Fade | Jaffa: Worked for me without problems. |
| 14:28.04 | Jaffa | X-Fade: Yes. Lots of it seems to be transferred, but not everything. Trying to send an individual card had a problem. Maybe that's the one with the problem... |
| 14:28.08 | noobmonk3y | trx: you past of the special 62 as well? :) |
| 14:28.32 | X-Fade | Jaffa: yeah, might be a broken record. |
| 14:28.43 | X-Fade | Jaffa: I'd blame this crappy tool which imported contacts. |
| 14:28.46 | Jaffa | X-Fade: :-p |
| 14:28.55 | X-Fade | Jaffa: But that might just be me :D |
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| 14:29.31 | Jaffa | Hmm, no. Sending a contact card from N900 Contacts to paired N950 shouldn't say "Connection to Nokia N950 failed" |
| 14:29.37 | Jaffa | It should transfer a vcf |
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| 14:30.42 | lardman | Jaffa: EXport contacts then try sending the (presumably) giant vcf file across |
| 14:31.27 | X-Fade | Jaffa: Maybe you have some 12MP image as contact icon or so? |
| 14:32.18 | Termana | Jaffa, you already received your N950? |
| 14:32.33 | SpeedEvil | Jaffa: Congrats! |
| 14:32.33 | lardman | oh dear, when you select export all contacts it creates a dir and makes loads of files, rather than just one multi-contact version.... |
| 14:33.51 | Jaffa | lardman: Did that - but can't actually import from files! It seems to use tracker instead of a file picker. This means I can't select my preferred ringtone or my enormous Contacts.vcf file :-/ |
| 14:34.52 | lardman | hmm |
| 14:35.06 | lardman | I've got some vcf importer code somewhere |
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| 14:40.26 | khertan__ | hum ... end of the week ... seems n950 will not be for me for the next week ... :) |
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| 14:42.29 | alterego | DocScrutinizer: congrats! :) |
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| 14:46.14 | GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer, aye, congrats. :P |
| 14:46.24 | n900-dk | So is google+ worth it? |
| 14:46.43 | divan | n900-dk, not yet ) |
| 14:47.19 | n900-dk | divan: So no need to sign up atm? |
| 14:47.32 | hiemanshu | khertan__: eh? |
| 14:47.46 | GeneralAntilles | Damn you, Texrat! |
| 14:47.47 | hiemanshu | I have G+ invites if anyone wants |
| 14:47.57 | GeneralAntilles | and damn you Google for your bullshit browser support claims. |
| 14:48.19 | divan | n900-dk, what s atm? |
| 14:48.26 | khertan__ | hiemanshu, still no validation of launchpad |
| 14:48.31 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: At The Moment |
| 14:48.42 | hiemanshu | err |
| 14:48.45 | hiemanshu | divan: ^ |
| 14:48.50 | hiemanshu | khertan__: right, so next week :/ |
| 14:48.52 | alterego | I don't think anyone has that didn't already have a pre-approved launchpad account (Jaffa) |
| 14:49.10 | divan | ah ) |
| 14:49.17 | hiemanshu | alterego: how hard is to ctrl + f, approve! :P |
| 14:49.29 | n900-dk | hiemanshu: I would like to try it, if you can spare one :) |
| 14:49.32 | alterego | hiemanshu: it doesn't work like that. |
| 14:49.41 | hiemanshu | alterego: I know, I am kidding :P |
| 14:49.50 | hiemanshu | n900-dk: PM me your gmail ID |
| 14:49.50 | alterego | hiemanshu: quim has sent 153 accounts to launchpad, the issue is with them now. |
| 14:49.51 | divan | n900-dk, pm youe mail |
| 14:49.54 | alterego | And we don't know how they work :P |
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| 14:50.21 | n900-dk | does it have to be gmail add? |
| 14:50.25 | hiemanshu | yes |
| 14:50.25 | alterego | Quim has given us a great amount of transparency into what he's been doing with this process, including golden hints that have helped, I imagine, a fair few people modifying their applications to get a device. |
| 14:50.33 | hiemanshu | only gmail works, gapps doesnt |
| 14:50.37 | khertan__ | alterego, yep i think it s for everyone the same |
| 14:50.40 | n900-dk | ohh I see |
| 14:51.04 | alterego | As far as I'm concerned, now we're waiting for Launchpad to f'ing wake up, and there's not realy anything quim can do in that regard afiak. |
| 14:51.09 | hiemanshu | alterego: yes, Quim has been awesome so far |
| 14:51.14 | javispedro | what I'm surprised is how DocScrutinizer's launchpad account was approved overnight |
| 14:51.24 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer, despite your complains, seems that some Nokian does vouch for you |
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| 14:51.28 | javispedro | otherwise I cannot explain that. |
| 14:51.44 | javispedro | I mean, I've been waiting half a year dammit. |
| 14:51.45 | alterego | DocScrutinizer: you created your launchpad account quite a few months ago right? |
| 14:51.49 | Jaffa | X-Fade: Documented my Google Calendar experience; ideally the wiki would be the place, but I'll leave that for other people to discuss http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?p=24441#post24441 |
| 14:51.50 | alterego | javispedro: me too .. |
| 14:51.57 | hiemanshu | n900-dk: done |
| 14:51.57 | khertan__ | alterego, yep quim and textrat made an awesome jobs |
| 14:52.01 | Termana | javispedro, obviously we all made a mistake in not typing gibberish into the application. |
| 14:52.07 | alterego | Heh |
| 14:52.09 | n900-dk | hiemanshu: Thanks! :) |
| 14:52.13 | alterego | gibidibidibidibidibidibidi |
| 14:52.15 | alterego | that was my application |
| 14:52.22 | javispedro | :( |
| 14:52.25 | Termana | It's the only thing the Launchpad guys understand! |
| 14:52.30 | javispedro | so it will be approved before mine! |
| 14:52.52 | alterego | javispedro: I don't know, I don't know whether we should try and apply again or not. |
| 14:52.58 | alterego | :/ |
| 14:53.12 | Termana | alterego, you can't, it won't let you AFAIK |
| 14:53.16 | alterego | It wasn't made particularly clear yet. but meh. |
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| 14:53.34 | n900-dk | oh, invited can't sign up ATM |
| 14:54.05 | GeneralAntilles | Damn Google for making me spoof my browser agent. |
| 14:54.13 | alterego | Oh yeah, "There is an existing application already for this program" |
| 14:54.21 | alterego | Well, at least it's still in their f'ing system .. |
| 14:54.35 | alterego | I'm bored, I want to do something involving JSON .. |
| 14:54.42 | GeneralAntilles | doesn't feel like adding contacts to yet-another-social-networking site. |
| 14:54.54 | alterego | GeneralAntilles: google+ can f'off :P |
| 14:54.59 | cpscotti | alterego: that's very broad... |
| 14:55.15 | alterego | cpscotti: undoubtedly :P |
| 14:55.35 | cpscotti | I'd say, find some "cool" webservice on the web and make a frontend for it.. |
| 14:55.48 | crashanddie | I'm surprised at how little text Twitter produces |
| 14:55.50 | alterego | I'd have to find a "cool webservice" first .. |
| 14:56.02 | GeneralAntilles | alterego, I agree. |
| 14:56.07 | GeneralAntilles | I'm not sure how they conned me into this. |
| 14:56.12 | GeneralAntilles | I deleted my Facebook account for a reason. |
| 14:56.36 | n900-dk | GeneralAntilles: and you still have a life??? ;) |
| 14:56.46 | alterego | GeneralAntilles: keep your friends close but your enemies lives in your database? |
| 14:57.12 | GeneralAntilles | needs to update his biopic. |
| 14:57.15 | Termana | I should really be doing a uni assignment that is due on the weekend. But it's a database assignment, and I just really don't feel like it :\ |
| 14:58.36 | flux | termana, step 1: get off the IRC :) |
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| 14:58.54 | crashanddie | 200M tweets per day ==> 43Gb worth of text per day, if compressed, what, 30Gb worth of text? |
| 14:59.10 | GeneralAntilles | That "+1" link is particularly dangerous. |
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| 15:00.03 | alterego | crashanddie: more like 5G of text |
| 15:00.09 | alterego | crashanddie: text compresses really well .. |
| 15:00.12 | cpscotti | alterego: tried this http://www.geonames.org/ ? could be a starting point |
| 15:00.16 | SpeedEvil | crashanddie: more like 500M |
| 15:00.23 | SpeedEvil | crashanddie: 99.9% of texts are redundant. |
| 15:00.36 | alterego | agrees with SpeedEvil :) |
| 15:00.51 | alterego | I compress apache logs that are 100s of megs into a few megs. |
| 15:00.56 | cpscotti | crashanddie: that would be one crazy research to do.. finding the "entropy of tweets" |
| 15:01.00 | javispedro | alterego, you cannot reapply. |
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| 15:01.12 | javispedro | ah sorry, missed half backlog. |
| 15:01.13 | MohammadAG | I hate zombie processes :/ |
| 15:01.15 | crashanddie | alterego, the entropy is vastly different, and it also depends on context |
| 15:01.26 | alterego | cpscotti: looks interesting :) |
| 15:01.34 | alterego | Sure .. |
| 15:01.41 | crashanddie | alterego, for example, if you compress each tweet individually, vs all the tweets of a user, or the tweets of a whole day... et |
| 15:01.42 | crashanddie | etc |
| 15:01.55 | crashanddie | So 70% compression ratio is actually not too bad for a safe margin. |
| 15:02.00 | crashanddie | Though, 30Gb is really nothing... |
| 15:02.12 | crashanddie | I generate 2Gb of logs when I startup my server in debug mode. |
| 15:02.27 | cpscotti | alterego: this one's even cooler: http://www.programmableweb.com/apis/directory/1?format=JSON |
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| 15:03.05 | cpscotti | geez.. I'm tempted now |
| 15:03.41 | alterego | Heh |
| 15:05.51 | alterego | cpscotti: that second link is awesome. |
| 15:05.53 | alterego | starts hacking |
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| 15:06.32 | cpscotti | yeep! :D |
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| 15:09.27 | GeneralAntilles | Google's only accepting people with strong social graphs? |
| 15:09.35 | GeneralAntilles | I have a strong social graph? (Woo?) |
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| 15:10.44 | Jaffa | frals: Do you know if Contacts > Import > File is supposed to work? It doesn't see a file called 'Contacts.vcf' in MyDocs/Documents/ |
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| 15:11.59 | Termana | GeneralAntilles, In other words, they are only accepting people who have done a deed beyond selling their soul to the devil - they have also given the devil all their data from all their other sites that they are with |
| 15:12.16 | GeneralAntilles | Termana, yeah, that's what's terrifying about the whole thing. |
| 15:12.51 | SpeedEvil | goat |
| 15:12.54 | SpeedEvil | oops |
| 15:13.32 | javispedro | MohammadAG, zombie processes are great. As a way to make jokes when teaching unix to students. |
| 15:13.50 | rm_work | javispedro: i prefer orphans, because you get to reap them :P |
| 15:14.03 | rm_work | nothing more disturbing for people new to unix than talking casually about reaping orphans |
| 15:14.09 | Termana | SpeedEvil, meeeeeehhhhhh |
| 15:14.52 | javispedro | rm_work, hehe. |
| 15:15.59 | SpeedEvil | realises he should have added a tesco grocery ordering app to his application. |
| 15:16.06 | SpeedEvil | Meh. |
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| 15:19.43 | frals | Jaffa: I assume it should, give me a few min and I'll try it here... Filing bugs and reflashing myself atm :P |
| 15:19.51 | javispedro | SpeedEvil, start making the launchpad application |
| 15:19.53 | frals | (and fixing bugs, true multitasker ;)) |
| 15:19.58 | SpeedEvil | javispedro: ? |
| 15:20.27 | javispedro | SpeedEvil, technically you can also make OSS development proposals to the launchpad device program |
| 15:21.06 | SpeedEvil | Thanks. I should probably try that. |
| 15:21.39 | javispedro | you need the launchpad account for the meego.com ddp either way, so it won't hurt. |
| 15:21.54 | RST38h | heya javospedro |
| 15:21.58 | SpeedEvil | I've got a launchpad account I think |
| 15:22.11 | hiemanshu | alterego: I feel like switching on troll mode |
| 15:22.15 | SpeedEvil | But a personal one that I don't think works for applying to dev programs. |
| 15:22.16 | alterego | Heh |
| 15:22.21 | javispedro | helo RST38h |
| 15:22.37 | SpeedEvil | applying for dev devices, ratehr. |
| 15:22.45 | hiemanshu | alterego: a perfect one to play with too :P |
| 15:22.55 | lardman | SpeedEvil: you need to bump that one up |
| 15:23.00 | frals | Jaffa: do you happen to have a .vcf to send me? :P |
| 15:23.01 | SpeedEvil | lardman: ? |
| 15:23.05 | lardman | iirc it has to be a personal account |
| 15:23.18 | alterego | wanders off .. |
| 15:23.32 | SpeedEvil | lardman: yes - but you need to get approved through the meego program for that, and I just got a denied email. |
| 15:23.36 | SpeedEvil | So - not so useful. |
| 15:23.38 | lardman | http://www.developer.nokia.com/Devices/MeeGo/#article2 |
| 15:23.43 | lardman | bottom paragraph |
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| 15:24.43 | SpeedEvil | I can't legitimately say I've started to develop apps using Qt, as I know little more than the PNG guy about it. |
| 15:24.58 | SpeedEvil | Maybe tomorrow after I've read a few howtos. :) |
| 15:25.20 | lardman | well you have 30 days ;) |
| 15:25.40 | SpeedEvil | But in that time I have to stop russia invading tuvalu! |
| 15:26.18 | rm_work | I did some basic Qt demos a while back but besides that I have zero Qt experience either -- but i'm actually quite excited about working with it, looks way less annoying than GTK, and i get to use C++ :P |
| 15:26.47 | SpeedEvil | You can also do JS based apps with QML - or am I confused? |
| 15:26.52 | hiemanshu | Jaffa: also what color of the N950? the silver or the brownish one? /me likes the dark colored one |
| 15:27.03 | macmaN | i have the black one |
| 15:27.23 | macmaN | my nokia man said the silver one looks kickin' as well |
| 15:27.43 | hiemanshu | I prefer the black one, the silver would get dirty soon |
| 15:27.52 | SpeedEvil | hiemanshu: It depends how it's done |
| 15:28.07 | SpeedEvil | hiemanshu: It's also possible to make plastic which is loaded with metal for through-colour. |
| 15:28.14 | SpeedEvil | But that's probably unlikely. |
| 15:28.15 | SpeedEvil | Oops |
| 15:28.19 | SpeedEvil | Ignore me - wrong phone. |
| 15:29.01 | khertan__ | Jaffa, 12 or 8Mpx so ? |
| 15:29.20 | hiemanshu | khertan__: one more week, aaagggghhhh :/ |
| 15:29.25 | khertan__ | :) |
| 15:29.27 | khertan__ | yep |
| 15:29.30 | khertan__ | it s seems |
| 15:29.39 | cpscotti | I'd like to get a pink one.. |
| 15:29.45 | khertan__ | :) |
| 15:29.47 | cpscotti | just so it's eeeven more exclusive |
| 15:29.51 | cpscotti | (lol) |
| 15:30.07 | lardman | where do we reckon the Nokia Launchpad people are located? |
| 15:30.31 | hiemanshu | Hell |
| 15:30.33 | lardman | If they are in the USA then we probably have some more hours, but if they are in Europe, then I think it's time to call it quits for the week |
| 15:30.49 | alterego | recommends to those of you that, like himself, are waiting for launchpad news, to just do some hacking to get your mind off it :) |
| 15:30.56 | alterego | It's actually working really well for me :D |
| 15:30.59 | khertan__ | :) lardman probably in the uk :) |
| 15:31.06 | khertan__ | s/uk/fi |
| 15:31.07 | lardman | in Hell I guess they have all of Eternity so why isn't it done yet!? ;) |
| 15:31.33 | khertan__ | alterego, mind busying doing khweeteur bug fix |
| 15:31.45 | khertan__ | alterego, but during upload ... :) |
| 15:31.58 | hiemanshu | alterego: waiting to Qt to build on this windows machine :P |
| 15:31.59 | javispedro | lardman, final I bet |
| 15:32.00 | javispedro | err.. |
| 15:32.03 | javispedro | s/final/finland |
| 15:32.06 | javispedro | (stupid keyboard) |
| 15:32.15 | hiemanshu | s/to/for |
| 15:32.15 | lardman | so they are probably on holiday then? |
| 15:32.17 | lardman | ;) |
| 15:32.20 | khertan__ | anyway ill do like the 28th going to viet vo dao training ... and when tired enough got email with good news :) |
| 15:32.42 | lardman | what's viet vo dao? |
| 15:32.55 | javispedro | the day my launchpad application is approved I celebrate. |
| 15:32.58 | hiemanshu | french kung fu? |
| 15:33.03 | javispedro | with champagne. |
| 15:33.10 | khertan__ | lardman, http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1lqm4_viet-vo-dao-demonstration_sport |
| 15:33.11 | hiemanshu | javispedro: do the chicken dance |
| 15:33.31 | khertan__ | hiemanshu, not s french vietnamien |
| 15:33.41 | hiemanshu | http://supertunaman.com/cdl/cdl_v0-1.txt <--- Awesome License |
| 15:33.43 | hiemanshu | khertan__: ah ok |
| 15:34.26 | hiemanshu | hmmm, meegosweden giving away 3 devices too |
| 15:34.37 | RST38h | finaland, indeed |
| 15:34.45 | cpscotti | hiemanshu: LOL! good one! |
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| 15:35.03 | hiemanshu | cpscotti: I plan on using it :P |
| 15:35.08 | jonwil | Anyone know how to trigger the lock screen instead of just forcing the screen to blank? |
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| 15:35.12 | SpeedEvil | Are there any meego meetups in scotland? :) |
| 15:35.17 | cpscotti | for real?.. COOL! |
| 15:35.21 | hiemanshu | cpscotti: https://github.com/hiemanshu/komedia |
| 15:35.40 | jonwil | A meetup here in WA would be cool :P |
| 15:35.41 | hiemanshu | cpscotti: look at the README :P |
| 15:35.44 | jonwil | But it will never happen :P |
| 15:35.50 | hiemanshu | one in India would be awesome |
| 15:35.57 | cpscotti | I was looking for a LICENSE or COPYING file |
| 15:36.19 | hiemanshu | ah well I have yet to clean it up, I will after I rewrite the whole thing in QML |
| 15:36.33 | cpscotti | awesome! |
| 15:36.51 | RST38h | Meanwhile on ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/Nokia-N950-NEW-UNLOCKED-2-Years-Manufacturers-Warranty-/280703916898?pt=UK_Mobile_Phones&hash=item415b41db62#ht_935wt_1141 |
| 15:36.53 | RST38h | WTF? |
| 15:37.02 | macmaN | hahhhahahahahah |
| 15:37.40 | lardman | he's getting 10 devices? |
| 15:38.00 | jonwil | There is NO WAY that guy could have a N950 to sell |
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| 15:38.04 | jonwil | let alone multiples |
| 15:38.13 | lardman | no, he had 10 on order or so he says |
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| 15:38.22 | macmaN | dude |
| 15:38.33 | jonwil | bingo, triggered the breakpoint I wanted |
| 15:38.35 | jonwil | now to debug |
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| 15:38.40 | macmaN | considering the fact that everyone getting them is signing 4 pages contract |
| 15:38.52 | khertan__ | best way to lost 350GPB :) |
| 15:38.54 | macmaN | unless someone just straight out stole them from nokia |
| 15:39.03 | RST38h | so, he signed 40 pages? |
| 15:39.04 | macmaN | and they really just cant track them |
| 15:39.25 | macmaN | well no i was just referring to the idea that this is a pretty guarded and tracked device |
| 15:39.35 | Termana | macmaN, Jaffa didn't mention signing any contract to get his. |
| 15:39.39 | javispedro | RST38h, lol. |
| 15:39.56 | javispedro | Termana, launchpad has an NDA to sign. |
| 15:40.00 | javispedro | or nokia dev |
| 15:40.01 | macmaN | Termana: i think theres something implied when submitting your app etc |
| 15:40.15 | macmaN | right, what jp said |
| 15:40.18 | javispedro | RST38h, but I'm actually giving it a 20% credibility, not 0%. |
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| 15:40.40 | jonwil | wonders how many hardware read/write breakpoints you can set on an ARM CPU |
| 15:40.57 | macmaN | jonwil: mind explaining how that is important for a user? |
| 15:40.58 | Termana | javispedro, nokia dev has one when you sign up for the premium account, possibly launchpad will have one too |
| 15:41.04 | Termana | as long as your talking about the click through thing |
| 15:41.16 | SpeedEvil | macmaN: Utterly not important to users. |
| 15:41.28 | macmaN | well not directly |
| 15:41.31 | jonwil | Its important to me as a origranner' |
| 15:41.34 | jonwil | programmer |
| 15:41.37 | lardman | time to head home where there's no internet, so I won't be tempted to hit "Check Mail" every 5 min |
| 15:41.38 | javispedro | I. want. my. new. TOY!! |
| 15:41.39 | macmaN | but you make a product for users... no? |
| 15:41.41 | jonwil | someone who is debugging on an ARM CPU :) |
| 15:41.49 | SpeedEvil | RST38h: 'this item was ended as no longer available' ... |
| 15:42.21 | lardman | catch you guys next week, someone send me a google talk message if the Launchpad emails start coming through and I'll make a trip back to work especially |
| 15:42.23 | macmaN | lulz |
| 15:42.31 | SpeedEvil | lardman|gone: Have fun |
| 15:42.54 | RST38h | javispedro: yea, definitely >0! :) |
| 15:42.55 | Jaffa | frals: Sent |
| 15:42.56 | Termana | lardman|gone, cya |
| 15:43.09 | Jaffa | hiemanshu: It's the black/dark grey one. They all are. |
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| 15:43.19 | Jaffa | khertan__: It doesn't say |
| 15:43.24 | hiemanshu | Jaffa: and 16G I presume |
| 15:43.32 | Jaffa | alterego: Just got my "N900" back from USB port replacement. And it's an N8 |
| 15:43.37 | Jaffa | hiemanshu: Indeed |
| 15:43.43 | macmaN | Jaffa: "its magic!" |
| 15:43.45 | macmaN | :) |
| 15:43.48 | khertan__ | Jaffa, ? |
| 15:43.55 | alterego | Jaffa: :/ |
| 15:43.57 | macmaN | send it back with a letter "i no wants inferior telephone" |
| 15:43.58 | alterego | Wanna swap? |
| 15:43.58 | javispedro | Jaffa: :S |
| 15:44.12 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, somebody needs to tell Nokia that's a downgrade. |
| 15:44.14 | SpeedEvil | Jaffa: :/ |
| 15:44.23 | alterego | Jaffa: wanna swap? |
| 15:44.24 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: Worse, they claim it's a "goodwill gesture" |
| 15:44.39 | macmaN | the strategy right now is to sell it to some poor dumbuser bastard and get a 2-3 N900 for 100â¬/pop |
| 15:44.39 | alterego | Actually, I'm not sure I can swap :D |
| 15:44.43 | hiemanshu | Jaffa: tell them to give you store credit for N9 instead |
| 15:44.43 | GeneralAntilles | Nah, that's called a "Ripoff" |
| 15:44.53 | Jaffa | Their response is "PHONE UPGRADED" |
| 15:44.53 | javispedro | Jaffa, DDP, amsterdam or retail? |
| 15:45.14 | javispedro | (or "other"?) |
| 15:45.22 | SpeedEvil | wishes he'd sent his n900 in for repair earlier. |
| 15:45.27 | macmaN | hiemanshu: they might not agree to that, since then they have to give out something that actually has value |
| 15:45.39 | frals | oh lol |
| 15:45.46 | frals | that ebay link lists it as 64gb |
| 15:45.51 | frals | looked real up to that point |
| 15:46.03 | hiemanshu | frals: well it might be 64G |
| 15:46.08 | macmaN | the guy definitely worked up a good item description |
| 15:46.09 | hiemanshu | frals: the RDA devices are |
| 15:46.18 | macmaN | probably spent a few nights reading hot f.m.o threads |
| 15:46.24 | macmaN | "oh i gotz the facts down now!" |
| 15:46.59 | crashanddie | Jaffa, even though I feel for you, can I be the first to say: HAHA |
| 15:47.28 | Jaffa | javispedro: Can't remember. It's "in warranty" |
| 15:47.31 | hiemanshu | Jaffa: I heard the N8 can fly, do you wanna video tape that for me? |
| 15:47.32 | hiemanshu | :P |
| 15:47.34 | frals | hiemanshu: well, lets just disagree on your first statement |
| 15:47.38 | frals | ;) |
| 15:47.46 | hiemanshu | frals: heh ok :D |
| 15:48.21 | javispedro | so what do I do when the n900 irremediably breaks on mine |
| 15:48.32 | javispedro | s/n900/usb port |
| 15:48.50 | javispedro | DIY :S |
| 15:49.14 | SpeedEvil | Install a bootloader so you can get meego on the SD if things go wrong, buy an external battery charger. |
| 15:49.15 | frals | Jaffa: i cant even find "Import > File" so ye... |
| 15:49.50 | Jaffa | frals: Contacts> the three bar at the bottom right > Import contacts > File |
| 15:49.55 | javispedro | wow |
| 15:50.07 | javispedro | HP has now a new developer device discount policy |
| 15:50.09 | Jaffa | javispedro: Don't send it off, and don't bin the USB port |
| 15:50.10 | frals | Jaffa: i dont have the file option, but my build seems slightly broken atm |
| 15:50.32 | Jaffa | frals: Ah, OK |
| 15:50.58 | javispedro | 2 years old account = 10% discount, 1 app in catalog = 25% discount, 10 apps = 50% discount |
| 15:51.02 | RST38h | javispedro: But does it also have a future? |
| 15:51.16 | javispedro | RST38h, compared to Nokia? ;) |
| 15:51.26 | RST38h | javispedro:BTW, rumors say HP is talking with Samsung about usingwebos onsomesamsung phones |
| 15:51.35 | RST38h | javispedro: touche! |
| 15:51.39 | bindi | ay, some bored dev |
| 15:51.53 | bindi | make a terminal widget :< |
| 15:52.23 | bindi | I just want to swipe another desktop and bam irc is sitting there |
| 15:52.26 | javispedro | RST38h, saw them |
| 15:52.38 | javispedro | RST38h, wonder what's rasterman up to. |
| 15:52.43 | RST38h | hehe |
| 15:52.47 | RST38h | ask him! |
| 15:52.51 | noobmonk3y | bahhhhhhhh |
| 15:53.02 | Jaffa | frals: Grr, text/x-vcard MIME type isn't supported in browser. |
| 15:53.27 | gri | DocScrutinizer: Did you receive an email of quim yet? |
| 15:53.31 | javispedro | /join #stillwaitingforlaunchpad |
| 15:54.15 | javispedro | WaitLaunchpad^^ ;) |
| 15:54.54 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa's the only one getting an N950. |
| 15:55.06 | noobmonk3y | slaps frals around a bit with the nokia launchpad waiting list..... |
| 15:55.09 | hiemanshu | while $Waiting; do sleep; done |
| 15:55.20 | GeneralAntilles | We're all getting jars of snakes. |
| 15:55.26 | hiemanshu | GeneralAntilles: for the others, its a conspiracy! |
| 15:55.57 | javispedro | GeneralAntilles, Jaffa's N950 is contaminated with snake venom either way |
| 15:56.59 | WaitLaunchpad | ^ |
| 15:57.08 | GeneralAntilles | It's just a matter of time until he cuts himself on it. |
| 15:57.27 | macmaN | anybody know any other good looking microusb cables? example: http://www.osungoods.com/connectors/microusb-cable-green/ |
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| 15:58.07 | javispedro | btw DocScrutinizer, you have to keep your promise to provide USB host! I'm already counting on it! ;P |
| 15:58.13 | javispedro | has some ideas |
| 15:58.35 | GeneralAntilles | Mad Developer is a rather handy tool. |
| 15:58.44 | javispedro | let's see if they have replicated the gaia+musb design |
| 15:59.45 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: yup, sure thing. (launchpad) No clue where to enter "launchpad" from "Nokia Developer" site, except by directly jumping to URL https://forumnokia.secure.force.com/apex/DDP?sfdc.tabName=01r20000000L8iX |
| 16:00.18 | DocScrutinizer | Launchpad ID (as requested for by Quim's mail)? What's that? |
| 16:00.26 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer, no idea, I cannot get to launchpad from dev.nokia.com either. |
| 16:00.31 | noobmonk3y | lolcakes |
| 16:01.05 | DocScrutinizer | afk |
| 16:01.08 | DocScrutinizer | o/ |
| 16:01.56 | alterego | DocScrutinizer: if you don't have a launchpad account yet, you don't have the ID |
| 16:01.57 | alterego | :P |
| 16:02.06 | alterego | I think we're all still in the queue for launchpad :P |
| 16:02.10 | alterego | makes a tweet |
| 16:02.19 | DocScrutinizer | I'm accepted as of 06-23 |
| 16:03.01 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: your user name |
| 16:03.10 | DocScrutinizer | joerg_rw |
| 16:03.18 | alterego | DocScrutinizer: your password |
| 16:03.19 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: just send that to him? |
| 16:03.20 | alterego | chuckles |
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| 16:03.27 | Termana | lol |
| 16:03.29 | DocScrutinizer | sure |
| 16:03.39 | alterego | DocScrutinizer: did you alreadu send your AIDs to Quim? |
| 16:03.43 | hiemanshu | he doesn't need the AID numbers like alterego said |
| 16:03.45 | DocScrutinizer | incl AID-fooo |
| 16:03.52 | hiemanshu | alterego: he doesn't need the AID-foo |
| 16:03.59 | alterego | Okay, so go to your account settings. |
| 16:04.19 | alterego | Got to "Developer Account" on the right hand side bar at the bottom, scroll down to the bottom of the page. |
| 16:05.11 | alterego | DocScrutinizer: try this link: https://forumnokia.secure.force.com/apex/ProductDetailByName?productName=Nokia+N950 |
| 16:06.26 | Termana | OMG! I've got mail - "A Nokia N950 is waiting for you" |
| 16:06.37 | macmaN | zomg! |
| 16:06.49 | Termana | No, I'm kidding. Sorry guys, that's cruel. |
| 16:06.53 | noobmonk3y | lol |
| 16:06.56 | hiemanshu | lol |
| 16:06.58 | alterego | Hahah |
| 16:06.58 | rm_work | lol |
| 16:06.58 | DocScrutinizer | alterego: unexpected error occured |
| 16:07.01 | GeneralAntilles | Ah, the wind-up. |
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| 16:07.10 | alterego | DocScrutinizer: oh well, you're in the same boat as all of us |
| 16:07.15 | alterego | gives DocScrutinizer a cup of tea |
| 16:07.22 | macmaN | yeah i wasnt buy that, nobody says "I've got mail" anymore like it's AOL times or something |
| 16:07.25 | macmaN | buying* |
| 16:07.43 | alterego | I do :( |
| 16:07.45 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer will probably get the device beforeu s! |
| 16:08.18 | Termana | macmaN, that was the real subject on Jaffa's email, that's why I used it :p |
| 16:08.36 | Termana | oh nevermind |
| 16:08.39 | macmaN | i know, had to think of *something* to say |
| 16:08.39 | Termana | I need to go to bed |
| 16:08.40 | macmaN | :) |
| 16:08.54 | macmaN | being an irc comedian is such a paying job |
| 16:09.12 | Termana | "got mail" wasn't actually on the subject, that was me |
| 16:09.20 | Termana | but blaming it on something else sounds good |
| 16:09.53 | macmaN | thats interesting did i somehow disable the swipe shortcut box |
| 16:11.00 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, you were accepted? |
| 16:11.01 | macmaN | there are little question marks near some of the settings panel things |
| 16:11.08 | macmaN | that seem to do nothing |
| 16:13.10 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: yes |
| 16:13.41 | MohammadAG | congrats DocScrutinizer :D |
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| 16:15.19 | javispedro | that's it |
| 16:15.26 | javispedro | engadget made the wp7 app before meego's |
| 16:15.34 | javispedro | that shows were their allegiance/statistics are. |
| 16:15.39 | javispedro | meego is doomed. |
| 16:15.50 | cpscotti | annnnd.. do you care? |
| 16:16.04 | cpscotti | the whole thing is doomed. The world is doomed.. |
| 16:16.22 | macmaN | 2012 is around the corner. at least we're going out with a really good phone in our hands. |
| 16:16.34 | cpscotti | macmaN: precisely |
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| 16:16.57 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: thanks |
| 16:17.17 | DocScrutinizer | alterego: javispedro: http://paste.debian.net/121612/ |
| 16:18.06 | alterego | DocScrutinizer: oh, I thought devices might appear there, well, you're a step ahead of most of us anyway ;) |
| 16:18.06 | DocScrutinizer | o/ now |
| 16:18.46 | DocScrutinizer | alterego: devices may appear at https://forumnokia.secure.force.com/apex/DDP?sfdc.tabName=01r20000000L8iX |
| 16:19.18 | DocScrutinizer | or not, nfc |
| 16:19.27 | DocScrutinizer | cya |
| 16:19.49 | jonwil | wonders if anyone is ever going to produce a normal sale phone (i.e. not a developer special phone or some limited-production one-off) that is as open as the N900 |
| 16:20.00 | jonwil | i.e. if anyone is going to produce one in the future |
| 16:20.07 | alterego | jonwil: neah :) |
| 16:20.07 | macmaN | oh btw. did any of you n950ers manage to sign into Maps yet? |
| 16:20.20 | bindi | Guys, what was that CSSU tweak that made menus smoother? It was something about using the GPU.. I don't remember, but can't find it anymore |
| 16:20.20 | macmaN | i cant seem to sign in no matter what i do |
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| 16:22.03 | jonwil | all of the other attempts at an open phone (e.g. openmoko) have been junk. |
| 16:22.14 | macmaN | jonwil: base system wise or UX wise? |
| 16:22.20 | jonwil | system |
| 16:22.31 | jonwil | openmoko is junk mainly because the cell modem was obsolete even before the phone shipped |
| 16:22.45 | macmaN | jonwil: do you know any longer pieces of text about this? |
| 16:22.55 | macmaN | id like to get an overview of this issue |
| 16:22.58 | jonwil | it was dual or tri-band GSM in a world when most high-end phones had UMTS |
| 16:23.25 | MohammadAG | wasn't the iPhone 2G like that? :P |
| 16:24.15 | alterego | So, I've been using eval to parse JSON |
| 16:24.27 | alterego | Didn't realise there was a QML "JSON" module for this purpose :D |
| 16:24.34 | jonwil | in any case no, the iphone 2G was quad band GSM |
| 16:24.41 | jonwil | with EDGE |
| 16:25.01 | jonwil | well ahead of the openmoko phone |
| 16:26.11 | macmaN | hmm. by base system i meant software |
| 16:26.28 | macmaN | if hw was bad thats another layer of disaster |
| 16:27.15 | jonwil | The software isn't the issue (other than the clusterf**k that is the GPU drivers) |
| 16:27.50 | bindi | How can you rotate the desktop when using CSSU? O_o |
| 16:27.59 | bindi | ah |
| 16:28.05 | bindi | wasnt ctrl shift r anymore |
| 16:28.05 | javispedro | alterego, in the QtKitchenSink module |
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| 16:30.09 | MohammadAG | I think the video swiping in the N9 was lazy coding rather than a feature |
| 16:30.32 | noobmonk3y | blinks |
| 16:30.41 | MohammadAG | since the window is just an overlay, I'm guessing when you drag it you're simply removing the overlay |
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| 16:30.44 | cpscotti | MohammadAG: lol... agreed! |
| 16:31.07 | cpscotti | well.. let's say it was just "responsible coding" all the way. |
| 16:31.10 | cpscotti | but nothing intended |
| 16:31.16 | cpscotti | indeed |
| 16:32.10 | javispedro | MohammadAG, I said that a few days ago =) |
| 16:32.14 | cpscotti | well, otoh, it shows that you can stop the swipe movement on the fly |
| 16:32.34 | cpscotti | not like the animation on the n900 for example |
| 16:34.05 | gri | what does the acceptance email say? I'm on the 3rd list but have not received any mail (there is no spam filtering as far as I know). It seems like the others on the 3rd list have already received something |
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| 16:35.03 | noobmonk3y | gri - just fire quim an email - he said sometimes he's made a typo etc :) |
| 16:35.58 | gri | noobmonk3y: Including AID or without for now? |
| 16:36.05 | MohammadAG | javispedro, heh, probably missed it then :p |
| 16:36.32 | noobmonk3y | Include everything you can he really needs your login name, AID just helps :) (So include all) |
| 16:37.35 | javispedro | try not to include AIDS though. |
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| 16:38.54 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 16:38.55 | macmaN | yes, stay off dirty hookers |
| 16:39.06 | macmaN | or i guess in this chan, dirty hooks and hookers |
| 16:39.34 | cpscotti | lol |
| 16:39.38 | javispedro | it's just that reading "AID(s) just helps" throws me off a bit ,p |
| 16:39.42 | javispedro | ;P |
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| 16:46.51 | gri | ah, just at the moment I wanted to write him, the email arrived :) |
| 16:47.23 | DocScrutinizer | gri: the mail is a template, and can be found here: http://wiki.meego.com/Talk:Community_Office/Community_device_program/Nokia |
| 16:47.51 | DocScrutinizer | and quim also beaten me to it :-) |
| 16:53.42 | Venemo | shame on Nokia |
| 16:53.53 | Venemo | they didn't manage to send me a reply in two days. |
| 16:54.15 | pabs3 | I guess yr still in the running? |
| 16:54.33 | Venemo | I'm accepted. I sent Quim my ID and all, plus applied for Nokia Launchpad |
| 16:54.55 | Venemo | http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=24451&postcount=285 |
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| 16:58.03 | Venemo | [18:24] <RhymeswA> This is really weird / amazing: http://www.unwiredview.com/2011/06/30/nokia-n9-wont-be-available-in-the-uk-germany-italy-france-spain-and-many-other-countries/ |
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| 16:59.15 | kerio | Venemo: it's like they really dislike me as a customer! :( |
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| 17:01.34 | Venemo | kerio, yeah... where do you live? |
| 17:02.20 | GeneralAntilles | kerio, that's bullshit. |
| 17:02.29 | GeneralAntilles | That list excludes countries without Nokia web stores. |
| 17:03.15 | frals | doesnt make sense they had a release event in norway (iirc) if they are not going to sell it there |
| 17:03.53 | Venemo | so what? why are they excluding all of western europe basically? |
| 17:04.00 | ShadowJK | GeneralAntilles, .fi is on list despite having no web store? |
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| 17:05.48 | GeneralAntilles | Websites that purport to be journalistic and yet have no way to contact story authors. . . . |
| 17:12.54 | gri | the "Account name" in developer account is a username, not my real name? (why can it be changed?) |
| 17:14.04 | kerio | Venemo: italy |
| 17:14.13 | kerio | although i probably wouldn't've bought a n9 anyway |
| 17:14.19 | kerio | i'd totally buy a n950 though |
| 17:14.47 | Venemo | kerio, agreed |
| 17:14.48 | Khertan | Please Be Advised: |
| 17:14.48 | Khertan | SSO website will be offline for a few hours today while we complete website enhancements. |
| 17:14.48 | Khertan | Please come back soon as we will be up and running again shortly. |
| 17:14.50 | Khertan | hhihi |
| 17:15.17 | Khertan | Venemo, they exclude country which haven't nokia online store |
| 17:15.32 | Khertan | Venemo, but this didn't mean they will not sell it to this country |
| 17:15.39 | Khertan | s/country/countries |
| 17:16.54 | Venemo | mhhmm |
| 17:17.08 | hiemanshu | Khertan: hah, so they are going to fix launchpad? |
| 17:17.19 | hiemanshu | gah, I cant find my N900 :/ |
| 17:17.42 | hiemanshu | Khertan: PM? |
| 17:18.19 | Khertan | :) |
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| 17:23.54 | GeneralAntilles | works himself up to prototyping some UIs. |
| 17:24.10 | Venemo | GeneralAntilles, getting an N950 too? :) |
| 17:24.20 | GeneralAntilles | If I can get a freaking LaunchPad account. |
| 17:24.26 | Venemo | :) |
| 17:27.13 | sid_ | i just bought a cheap battery charger which is loading with 4.2 V. can i use it with bl-5j battery? |
| 17:27.56 | SpeedEvil | Depends |
| 17:28.00 | ieatlint | looks like the third batch brought a lot more familiar names |
| 17:28.00 | SpeedEvil | Probably |
| 17:28.06 | SpeedEvil | sighs. |
| 17:28.11 | ieatlint | GeneralAntilles: don't worry about the launchpad account |
| 17:28.29 | SpeedEvil | yeah - at least some useful people from here have got in. |
| 17:28.35 | ieatlint | you can't get accepted to launchpad these days without a nokia employee pushing you through the process |
| 17:28.50 | ieatlint | quim will do that.. it's not an approval process that you get judged on, just a formality |
| 17:29.00 | Venemo | ieatlint, that is what Quim promises to do, but he hasn't done yet |
| 17:29.35 | ieatlint | Venemo: it won't be instantaneous... |
| 17:29.37 | sid_ | i dont have any experience with charging |
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| 17:30.07 | ieatlint | i have a launchpad membership, and i've not received a word past the initial acceptance email, so don't feel like we're somehow ahead of you in the game |
| 17:30.18 | wazd | hey all |
| 17:30.19 | ieatlint | i don't have a shipping confirmation or anything crazy |
| 17:30.23 | SpeedEvil | hey wazd. |
| 17:30.28 | GeneralAntilles | ieatlint, DocScrutinizer had his approved within 24 hours with description "blahblahblah". |
| 17:30.38 | GeneralAntilles | I wonder who his guardian angel is. |
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| 17:31.00 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa's just sitting there with his N950 laughing. |
| 17:31.02 | GeneralAntilles | The bastard. |
| 17:31.16 | macmaN | :) |
| 17:31.28 | wazd | Congrats to all that've been accepted :) |
| 17:31.34 | ieatlint | do we know where he lives? |
| 17:31.36 | Venemo | xD |
| 17:31.39 | ieatlint | because we can solve this. |
| 17:31.44 | GeneralAntilles | More or less. |
| 17:31.47 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: Yup |
| 17:31.51 | SpeedEvil | GeneralAntilles: I believe the technical term is cackling. |
| 17:31.53 | Jaffa | Muwahahahaha |
| 17:32.00 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, how's't? |
| 17:32.03 | hiemanshu | Jaffa: I am going to find you and kill you within the next 24 hours |
| 17:32.06 | Jaffa | Although getting the Contacts in from the N900 is proving a pain. |
| 17:32.07 | Venemo | GeneralAntilles, maybe DocScrutinizer was the smartest one with that description. upside: it can be reviewed very quickly. |
| 17:32.09 | GeneralAntilles | Did you nuke the DEVELOPER EDITION from the theme yet. |
| 17:32.15 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: Pfft, no. |
| 17:32.24 | Jaffa | Anyway, home time. I'll try SSHing on it from the train. |
| 17:32.25 | ieatlint | does it blend? |
| 17:32.39 | Venemo | Jaffa, I hope Hermes will help me grab my N900 contacts once I get my N950 |
| 17:32.39 | hiemanshu | ieatlint: try it with yours |
| 17:33.05 | Kaadlajk | bluetooth sync between n950 and n900 worked for me at least |
| 17:33.10 | macmaN | GeneralAntilles: haha, good question, id like to have that too |
| 17:33.16 | ieatlint | hiemanshu: tempting... the number of geeks who would cry themselves to sleep over it would be impressive |
| 17:33.37 | wazd | is it normal if I can't login into meego wiki? |
| 17:33.51 | GeneralAntilles | wazd, cycle your login on meego.com |
| 17:33.53 | GeneralAntilles | Broken "SSO" |
| 17:34.03 | macmaN | Jaffa: do it through totally intuitive Get Contacts menuitem Send Contacts in N900 Contacts |
| 17:34.11 | macmaN | thats the only way i was able to transfer them |
| 17:34.14 | wazd | ah, thx |
| 17:34.25 | macmaN | N950 initiation was not able to find N900, even tho it was paired |
| 17:35.19 | Khertan | oh a nokia email .... |
| 17:35.24 | macmaN | i am so totally digging pinching the task switcher |
| 17:35.25 | Venemo | maybe the N950 thinks that its older brother stinks and it decided not to talk with it. |
| 17:35.30 | hiemanshu | Khertan: really? |
| 17:35.35 | Khertan | Nokia Developer: Create for Millions developer contest open now |
| 17:35.36 | macmaN | i think it is one of the best mobile games ev4r |
| 17:35.40 | Khertan | but not the good one |
| 17:35.41 | hiemanshu | Khertan: lol |
| 17:35.46 | macmaN | Venemo: good theory. id buy that one. |
| 17:36.26 | Venemo | macmaN :D |
| 17:36.27 | hiemanshu | or maybe nokia trained it to only listen to the rays of the sea |
| 17:37.00 | macmaN | venemo's was better |
| 17:37.15 | macmaN | even hearing that other things codename just gives me a bad vibe |
| 17:37.24 | macmaN | or i guess.. seeing in this case |
| 17:38.06 | macmaN | with the highly advanced "oh look here we finally figured out multitasking" mango |
| 17:38.38 | macmaN | or with the "you can totally edit all your office documents on you tiny ass mobile screen, and you will really want to do that too, we totally promise" mango |
| 17:39.50 | macmaN | i am all for pro-choice, but fucking with my finnish homeboys national pride company over im not too happy about |
| 17:40.01 | macmaN | *end rant* |
| 17:40.22 | macmaN | not that they didnt do a very good job at it themselves too :P |
| 17:40.34 | gri | which sim type does the n950 have? |
| 17:40.38 | macmaN | regular |
| 17:40.44 | macmaN | its not micro |
| 17:40.46 | gri | great :) |
| 17:40.48 | macmaN | N9 is micro |
| 17:40.48 | RST38h | gooood |
| 17:42.30 | macmaN | bleh i gotta get out of this cafe and go buy me a new pair of socks |
| 17:42.36 | macmaN | and i dont mean the proxy |
| 17:43.03 | macmaN | thanks nokia for making me extend my trip for like 4 days thanks to this device |
| 17:43.06 | SpeedEvil | ponders socks with an embedded 3g modem, wifi, and socks proxy. |
| 17:43.58 | macmaN | i think it would be the integrated proxy that could be considered the biggest competitive advantage to regular socks |
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| 17:46.43 | macmaN | btw i should note |
| 17:46.57 | macmaN | that every time i unlock the lock screen on the n950, i feel sexy |
| 17:47.25 | macmaN | i feel like i could hit one every hot finnish girl going by in this helsinki cafe |
| 17:47.30 | macmaN | thanks n950 |
| 17:47.56 | macmaN | i asked my meego team friend who came up with swipe concept |
| 17:48.08 | macmaN | she didnt know but id buy that person some of their favorite drinks for sure |
| 17:48.33 | ieatlint | notes that symbian isn't really from finland either |
| 17:49.06 | ieatlint | and all the info i heard said that the n9/50 UX was contracted out by nokia, but i haven't heard who to |
| 17:49.58 | Venemo | macmaN ++ |
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| 17:51.28 | ieatlint | so is the n950's camera actually 8mp or 12mp? |
| 17:51.36 | macmaN | its 8mp afaict |
| 17:51.40 | Venemo | 8MP |
| 17:51.47 | macmaN | settings only let you save up to 7mp images |
| 17:51.48 | Venemo | but a different model than N9 |
| 17:51.52 | ieatlint | ok |
| 17:51.53 | Venemo | and non-CarlZeiss |
| 17:52.01 | Venemo | (afaik) |
| 17:52.06 | ieatlint | hah, interesting |
| 17:52.17 | hiemanshu | misses his iPhone |
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| 17:52.52 | Venemo | ~nuke hiemanshu for saying the word 'iPhone' |
| 17:52.52 | infobot | ACTION prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at hiemanshu for saying the word 'iPhone' ... Bâ¢â¢M! |
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| 17:53.32 | hiemanshu | Venemo: well it was a gift, and it could store all my music, and also fun games |
| 17:53.38 | hiemanshu | got stolen |
| 17:53.52 | gri | wow, I've never seen those ascii nuke symbols before |
| 17:54.00 | Venemo | N9(x0) will also be a gift, it can also store all your music, and also fun games |
| 17:55.04 | Venemo | nah, I need to leave now |
| 17:55.06 | Venemo | good bye :) |
| 17:55.07 | hiemanshu | Venemo: wure |
| 17:55.08 | hiemanshu | sure* |
| 17:55.12 | hiemanshu | Venemo: caio |
| 17:55.21 | Venemo | have a nice evening hiemanshu :) |
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| 18:05.39 | MohammadAG | <ieatlint> so is the n950's camera actually 8mp or 12mp? |
| 18:05.47 | MohammadAG | early revisions are 12, ones being sent are 8 |
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| 18:10.18 | hiemanshu | 8 isnt bad a lot, I still wonder how well they have improved since the N900 |
| 18:10.52 | ieatlint | ok, cool... glad that is cleared up for me then :) |
| 18:11.17 | ieatlint | the camera could be very integral to the grindr.com application i'm making |
| 18:15.09 | Jaffa | 'lo from N950 on train |
| 18:15.15 | Jaffa | Keyboard is rather nice. |
| 18:15.20 | gri | hopes the push notifications are working on n950 and not only on n9 |
| 18:16.14 | hiemanshu | puts Jaffa's train off track |
| 18:17.59 | Jaffa | macmaN: On N900, I don't have "Send Contacts" under ")et â¬ontacts" on %N900 |
| 18:18.40 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, this contacts issue is going to derail any other productive effort, isn't it? :P |
| 18:18.54 | MohammadAG | <Jaffa> macmaN: On N900, I don't have "Send Contacts" under ")et ontacts" on %N900 |
| 18:19.04 | MohammadAG | And I thought hildon-input-method was bad |
| 18:19.07 | MohammadAG | :P |
| 18:19.31 | hiemanshu | hah |
| 18:19.40 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: try android :P |
| 18:20.11 | MohammadAG | hiemanshu, I'm assuming it's mistaking long presses on the hardware keyboard |
| 18:20.19 | MohammadAG | much like h-i-m does on the N900 |
| 18:20.30 | MohammadAG | som35hin_ lik3 t(is |
| 18:20.59 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: that just made you l33t :P |
| 18:21.04 | strohi | out the maemo leet dialekt? |
| 18:23.00 | Jaffa | And laggy SSH :) |
| 18:23.33 | Jaffa | Symbols are on different keys to N900. Wonder if it's gone back to N810 layout... |
| 18:23.59 | Jaffa | MeeGo Terminal needs a font and colour picker. Green is pretty horrid |
| 18:24.01 | hiemanshu | well at least its a spill proof keyboard :P |
| 18:24.13 | hiemanshu | you dont like green on black? |
| 18:24.49 | Jaffa | Trying VKBB for irssi over screen |
| 18:24.59 | hiemanshu | ah ok |
| 18:25.07 | Jaffa | Lack of cursor keys is annoyibg, but it's about usable. |
| 18:25.22 | hiemanshu | yes it sure is very annoyibg |
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| 18:25.39 | Jaffa | hiemanshu: Green's fine when I'm feeling spoddy... |
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| 18:25.56 | MohammadAG | Jaffa, swipe left/right in terminal |
| 18:26.13 | MohammadAG | that changes colour |
| 18:26.26 | Jaffa | Genius: alt-backspace goes to app switcher |
| 18:26.38 | Jaffa | MohammadAG: ah, thanks |
| 18:26.51 | petteri | Jaffa: is the irssi+screen combination usable with virtual keyboard? |
| 18:26.54 | hiemanshu | ah yes, the swiping |
| 18:27.31 | hiemanshu | Jaffa: does it fell like a bigger alien compared to the N900 or the difference isnt that much? |
| 18:27.38 | Jaffa | petteri: In landscape, just - but you only get a few lines of content |
| 18:28.17 | Jaffa | hiemanshu: It feels bigger, until you put it in your pocket. |
| 18:28.45 | hiemanshu | Jaffa: you should show it off and not put it in your pocket, so thats fine :P |
| 18:29.16 | petteri | Jaffa: ok, thanks. Just hoping that N9 is usable for me as I use irssi a lot :) |
| 18:29.59 | jacekowski | irssi over ssh on gsm is unusable |
| 18:30.07 | jacekowski | at least by me |
| 18:30.23 | petteri | at least in finland it works nicely |
| 18:30.34 | hiemanshu | jacekowski: worked fine for me here in India |
| 18:30.40 | frals | Jaffa: you can pinch to zoom in terminal so you can get quite a few lines on screen ;) |
| 18:30.42 | hiemanshu | I used it for about 3 hours the other day |
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| 18:31.41 | hiemanshu | frals: oh yeah, pinching finally :D |
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| 18:32.37 | jacekowski | hiemanshu: i don't like laggy stuff |
| 18:32.45 | jacekowski | hiemanshu: and gsm by design gives you like 200ms ping |
| 18:33.02 | jacekowski | with very high jitter |
| 18:33.37 | hiemanshu | then you shouldn't make overseas calls either :P |
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| 18:35.00 | jacekowski | hiemanshu: i don't |
| 18:35.11 | jacekowski | hiemanshu: but with calls you don't have jitter |
| 18:35.17 | jacekowski | and packet loss is less annoying |
| 18:35.46 | hiemanshu | jacekowski: well I call to the US often from India, so irssi over screen is much better IMHO |
| 18:35.56 | hiemanshu | s/screen/gprs/ |
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| 18:42.16 | Jaffa | macmaN: Creating a new send-onl channel from N900 Settings > Transfer & Sync is working better I think. Thanks |
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| 18:44.38 | ZogG | http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lnmk8ljV3H1qzwtdlo1_r1_500.jpg |
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| 18:45.07 | ZogG | can someone check plus.google.com on n900? |
| 18:45.13 | ZogG | is it awesome as on iphone? |
| 18:45.21 | ZogG | (not trolling) |
| 18:45.30 | ZogG | just didn't get my n900 back yet |
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| 18:49.14 | hiemanshu | ZogG: ok hold on |
| 18:50.35 | gri | looks like a non-mobile optimized website on my n900 (have no account there) |
| 18:51.12 | hiemanshu | gri: hmmm, well the N900 doesn't open the mobile version of stuff sadly |
| 18:51.54 | gri | in some cases this is the better way (my opinion) |
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| 18:55.08 | n900-dk | How come the new version of OMP is still not in repos? |
| 18:55.56 | MohammadAG | it never went in the repos |
| 18:56.08 | MohammadAG | Jaffa, did you get the N950's through Quim's program? |
| 18:56.18 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: yes |
| 18:56.27 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: he was a beta tester for the process |
| 18:56.28 | hiemanshu | :D |
| 18:56.51 | MohammadAG | shipping's fast in europe I guess :p |
| 18:57.08 | n900-dk | oh, where to download the new version then? |
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| 18:58.39 | MohammadAG | haven't updated the binary in quite a while |
| 18:59.54 | MohammadAG | anyone noticed the tags on this thread http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=74469&page=6 ? |
| 19:00.56 | wmarone_ | rofl |
| 19:01.57 | MrOpposite|n900 | hi |
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| 19:02.25 | MrOpposite|n900 | what is the easiest language to do programming in on the n900 |
| 19:02.29 | MrOpposite|n900 | ? |
| 19:03.53 | pabs3 | it probably has anything you already know |
| 19:03.53 | pabs3 | likes python |
| 19:04.13 | MrOpposite|n900 | ... everybody likes python |
| 19:04.18 | MrOpposite|n900 | why? |
| 19:05.30 | pabs3 | reasonably good syntax, no compiling, fairly comprehensive standard set of APIs, lots of addon APIs |
| 19:05.43 | pabs3 | whats your fav language? |
| 19:07.43 | gri | my company has ported vbs to qt o_O nothing more to say ... |
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| 19:18.47 | MohammadAG | I hate python |
| 19:18.47 | MohammadAG | well, dislike, it's slow on a 600MHz device |
| 19:20.12 | GeneralAntilles | MrOpposite|n900, QML. |
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| 19:25.38 | divan | ZogG, what namely to check? It works, actually ) |
| 19:25.47 | divan | ZogG, btw, there is a mobile version: m.google.com/app/plus |
| 19:26.58 | kerio | MohammadAG: no u |
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| 19:32.44 | MrOpposite|n900 | my fav lang is java |
| 19:33.36 | ieatlint | haskell is the best language, it's versatile, practical and easy to deploy |
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| 19:34.36 | pabs3 | ieatlint: does it have shared libs or do you need to recompile the world when a library gets updated? |
| 19:39.19 | RST38h | FORTRAN |
| 19:39.46 | RST38h | Forget your puny toy "programming languages". FORTRAN. |
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| 19:40.29 | ieatlint | i have to concede to that |
| 19:41.57 | rcg1 | well.. python: it's quite nice.. you actually can rapidly prototype with it.. got reasonable support of libs etc. ... _but_ a language that interprets white space as something meaningful is imho kinda freaky |
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| 19:42.29 | pabs3 | likes that feature, keeps stuff readable |
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| 19:42.45 | ieatlint | competent programmers accomplish that on their own |
| 19:43.05 | rcg1 | pabs3: sure.. it forces dev's to indent.. but it's still that white space should not be supposed to have a meaning ;) |
| 19:43.11 | pabs3 | true |
| 19:43.28 | wazd | 01anybody knows the name of the track from Nokia Swipe Experience flash demo?01 |
| 19:43.50 | rcg1 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitespace_(programming_language) |
| 19:44.29 | hiemanshu | rcg1: HTML hears you :P |
| 19:44.35 | wazd | oooh, it's actually featured in video :) |
| 19:45.06 | ieatlint | rcg1: ooh, i like that |
| 19:45.09 | ieatlint | it's intuitive |
| 19:46.26 | RST38h | Some people actually thought that we would all be programming in XML =) |
| 19:46.34 | RST38h | Some still do. |
| 19:47.33 | alterego | No one actually thought that :/ |
| 19:48.26 | hiemanshu | alterego: I am sure thebootroo did :P |
| 19:48.32 | alterego | Hah |
| 19:48.40 | alterego | No, he only uses SGML |
| 19:48.42 | ieatlint | we live in a disturbing future... a future where sun is dead, and yet java is still growing in popularity |
| 19:49.01 | hiemanshu | and JS is gonna take over the world |
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| 19:50.05 | alterego | I like JS |
| 19:50.12 | alterego | It's not perfect, but no language is |
| 19:50.27 | alterego | But as a language, for what it's intended to do, it's very flexible. |
| 19:50.48 | ieatlint | of the major mobile platforms in the US, only apple uses a native language... |
| 19:50.50 | alterego | And no one has tried to replace it, people keep adopting it into other aspects of programming, like QtQuick for example. |
| 19:50.55 | ieatlint | that's weird. |
| 19:51.18 | alterego | Well, Apple like to have barebones at the moment, to keep the UX sharp |
| 19:51.40 | alterego | You just have to use an Android phone and an Apple phone to notice the difference .. |
| 19:52.19 | wazd | iOS UI is not sharp anymore |
| 19:52.33 | ieatlint | i have... and the more i use apple products, i'm left with the soured impression |
| 19:52.38 | alterego | wazd: I don't mean in stylisation, I mean in responsiveness |
| 19:52.51 | wazd | it has never been designed for the features it has now so they really look "added" |
| 19:52.55 | ieatlint | bah, ios is and always will be cisco |
| 19:52.59 | alterego | ieatlint: don't get me wrong, I don't like Apple products at all, they're toys as far as I'm concerned. |
| 19:53.10 | alterego | But they have done very well getting everything to work as it does. |
| 19:53.20 | alterego | ieatlint: I agree there tii ;) |
| 19:53.23 | alterego | ~too .. |
| 19:53.23 | infobot | no, you're too .. |
| 19:53.35 | ieatlint | alterego: i won't deny that.. |
| 19:53.44 | ieatlint | they are user-friendly UIs |
| 19:53.49 | SpeedEvil | Anyone have a recommended link for 'QML for dummies' or similar? I haven't really done 'proper' coding for a while - I suspect python may be a good route. |
| 19:54.15 | wazd | damn, I really need that track :( |
| 19:54.23 | alterego | SpeedEvil: I find going through the QML tutorial and then looking at the examples, reading the APIs is the best route |
| 19:54.26 | ieatlint | but you're still left in a very linear environment |
| 19:54.30 | hiemanshu | well currently, iOS is the only real time mobile OS really |
| 19:54.34 | hiemanshu | android uses pooling |
| 19:54.54 | ieatlint | hiemanshu: qnx/blackberry |
| 19:54.59 | hiemanshu | ieatlint: underwork |
| 19:55.02 | SpeedEvil | alterego: Thanks. |
| 19:55.14 | ieatlint | thought they had a device out? |
| 19:55.37 | hiemanshu | nope, IIRC its still not out, they are hoping to get it right in the next version |
| 19:56.03 | hiemanshu | wazd: which one? |
| 19:56.10 | ieatlint | hah, ok.. well, RIM is perhaps more screwed than Nokia anyway |
| 19:56.24 | hiemanshu | true |
| 19:57.02 | hiemanshu | which is where iOS wins really, Apple hit the right spot, the only thing is its closed |
| 19:57.30 | ieatlint | well, there's a lot more issue with it than it just being closed source |
| 19:57.45 | ieatlint | but a religious argument on apple products is probably too off topic :P |
| 19:58.18 | rcg1 | sry.. afk |
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| 19:59.15 | konttori_home | Jaffa, did you get you shiny new n950 to boot up? |
| 20:00.48 | SpeedEvil | He was complaining about it not syncing properly to the n900 for contracts - so I guess so. |
| 20:03.30 | kerio | contracts? |
| 20:03.44 | SpeedEvil | err |
| 20:03.46 | SpeedEvil | contacts |
| 20:04.03 | konttori_home | SpeedEvil, ah. Interesting. I have been syncing for ages, never without issues. |
| 20:04.09 | SpeedEvil | I've been up for 23 hours and I have no idea what my bodycock is doing. |
| 20:04.17 | konttori_home | Only thing is that n900 has a slight bug in syncing over bt.. |
| 20:05.02 | konttori_home | if you have synced to one device once before, it will sync on delta of what it has never sent, to that no matter if it has been flashed or whatever in between. |
| 20:05.22 | konttori_home | So, solution is to always run on the n900: rm ./osso-abook/db/IME* |
| 20:05.50 | konttori_home | that will clear the sync cache on n900 side and bt sync for contacts works again like it should |
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| 20:06.19 | konttori_home | SpeedEvil, why up so long? |
| 20:06.30 | konttori_home | Not good for your health |
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| 20:07.20 | GeneralAntilles | SpeedEvil, I can provide the hammer if you've got the head. |
| 20:07.30 | GeneralAntilles | konttori_home, how's life back in the sunlight? |
| 20:07.51 | konttori_home | Yeah, well, I did get a migrane from it today |
| 20:08.16 | SpeedEvil | konttori_home: I woke up at 1AM, after sleeping 4 hours, and couldn't get back to sleep. It's now 9PM. |
| 20:08.17 | Sampppa_ | konttori_home: Did u give a test run for new eCoach? :) |
| 20:09.58 | konttori_home | and actually, this week has been still insanely stressful. We are now working on making the final sales release. And it's starting to be nerve wercking fixing those last small issues that are absolute musts.. or so we think... and then waiting for the simulated test rounds to see if ageing is still and issue and is device crashing too often and this kind of final sales checks that can easily mean one more week of work. |
| 20:10.09 | konttori_home | SpeedEvil, I hate it when that happens |
| 20:10.14 | konttori_home | Sampppa_, I did! |
| 20:10.15 | bindi | new eCoach? whuts new |
| 20:10.35 | Sampppa_ | bindi: Totatlly new design Qt Components etc :) |
| 20:11.28 | Sampppa_ | konttori_home: great! Did it work :) |
| 20:11.43 | konttori_home | Terrific, but... It was consuming all CPU also when screen was blanked. I had trouble listening to music on Bt at the same time as ecoach was running. And I was missing at the end of the session an average km/h number and not just how many minutes per km. Both would be good. |
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| 20:12.21 | Sampppa_ | konttori_home: ok, i think i need to disable map centering + route drawing when screen is dimmed |
| 20:12.33 | Sampppa_ | maybe aslo drawing the time |
| 20:12.38 | konttori_home | Also, when swiped to recents, it was eating all CPU even in the main view, so usage of the rest of the device to setup a suitable track to play, was a pain. |
| 20:13.16 | konttori_home | Main view is rendering the stobe effect all the time even when minimized. |
| 20:13.16 | trumee | guys, i have two laptops but single ethernet connection. can i do this Ethernet>1st Laptop>USB>N900>mobilehotspot>WIFI>2nd laptop |
| 20:13.22 | Sampppa_ | did u check if it was odnp or ecoach process eating all the cpu? |
| 20:13.24 | konttori_home | The big start session button I mean. |
| 20:13.36 | konttori_home | No, sorry. I can check tomorrow. |
| 20:13.49 | Sampppa_ | konttori_home: ah ok, i might have forgot to disable that animation when activity is started |
| 20:13.59 | konttori_home | Anyway, it looks stellar, worked really well, just need to get the CPU consumption down when minimized or screen blanked. |
| 20:14.08 | Sampppa_ | konttori_home: but there has been also some weird cpu usage by odpn process |
| 20:14.41 | Sampppa_ | konttori_home: yeah cpu usage was already very low so it must be this qml animation that is running somewhere still |
| 20:14.49 | trumee | No expert of Mobilehotspot around? |
| 20:14.53 | konttori_home | could be. For me, I had gaps in audio playback, so it was pretty bad. (considering music playback has pretty high prio) |
| 20:15.07 | SpeedEvil | starts learning QML. http://sneezy.cs.nott.ac.uk/QML/ |
| 20:15.11 | SpeedEvil | Wait - what? |
| 20:15.25 | konttori_home | If qml app goes to bg, the rendering is done in software, so CPU consumption goes to the roof |
| 20:15.48 | konttori_home | well, background or just minimized to recents. |
| 20:16.28 | compengi | are there any issues on installing uboot on the latest maemo community release? |
| 20:16.39 | DocScrutinizer | konttori_home: hi! :-) |
| 20:16.48 | konttori_home | DocScrutinizer, Hi! |
| 20:16.57 | SpeedEvil | I assume it's possible to run QML stuff on the n900? |
| 20:17.04 | SpeedEvil | Sorry for the silly questions. |
| 20:17.04 | konttori_home | SpeedEvil, of course |
| 20:17.14 | GeneralAntilles | compengi, don't think so. But don't quote me. |
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| 20:18.32 | trumee | DocScrutinizer: any ideas? |
| 20:18.51 | DocScrutinizer | trumee: sorry, need to read backscroll |
| 20:19.24 | DocScrutinizer | trumee: MobileHS? |
| 20:19.28 | trumee | DocScrutinizer: i want to share an ethernet connection between multiple devices |
| 20:20.00 | hiemanshu | trumee: get a cheap $15 usb dongle and use adhoc? |
| 20:20.15 | compengi | GeneralAntilles, okay, thanks :) |
| 20:20.20 | DocScrutinizer | trumee: yeah, I never tested MobileHS, though I think there were reports of users who used it and were pleased |
| 20:20.36 | trumee | hiemanshu: just need it for next two days, since the wifi around here is broken |
| 20:20.39 | Sampppa_ | konttori_home: ok but i will check this issue and provide you newer version one of these days... i have time to finalize it now as my summer vacation begun :) |
| 20:20.59 | konttori_home | Sampppa_, I'm very much waiting to get the cpu consumption issues solved. Then it's in usable state. Metrics in and it's just insanely good. |
| 20:21.08 | trumee | hiemanshu: i suppose it is possible to setup adhoc on the laptop itself? |
| 20:21.19 | hiemanshu | trumee: ah, if its a laptop yes |
| 20:21.25 | konttori_home | Sampppa_, ah, good. I'm waiting to get some time to code on mine too. One more week. |
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| 20:21.41 | Sampppa_ | konttori_home: and then control panel plugin integrated + graphs and its fine :) |
| 20:22.01 | DocScrutinizer | konttori_home: not that it matters anymore, but when you suggested I should apply for a N950 and you'd talk to the relevant guys about it, did you refer to the meego DDP or the developer.nokia DDP? |
| 20:22.04 | konttori_home | agreed. Not much to do to be possible to call it 1.0 |
| 20:22.21 | hiemanshu | trumee: there is a very good chance it has NetworkManager, you can use that |
| 20:22.32 | konttori_home | DocScrutinizer, fuck. I forgot to talk to quim. |
| 20:22.38 | trumee | hiemanshu: on opensuse atm using knetworkmanager |
| 20:22.39 | DocScrutinizer | :-) |
| 20:22.52 | hiemanshu | konttori_home: language :P |
| 20:23.00 | konttori_home | sorry. |
| 20:23.03 | hiemanshu | well either ways DocScrutinizer was selected |
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| 20:23.11 | konttori_home | hiemanshu, oh, good! |
| 20:23.29 | konttori_home | thanks. I was already thinking of how I could arrange the device to him no matter what. |
| 20:23.43 | konttori_home | We have only limited supply of n950s. |
| 20:23.54 | DocScrutinizer | yeah |
| 20:24.00 | trumee | hiemanshu: what is gtk frontend of Networkmanager called? |
| 20:24.00 | hiemanshu | give me one more, for commercial apps :P |
| 20:24.06 | hiemanshu | trumee: nm-applet |
| 20:24.11 | trumee | hiemanshu: cheers |
| 20:24.17 | hiemanshu | (I think) |
| 20:24.25 | GeneralAntilles | Haha |
| 20:24.43 | DocScrutinizer | I just got a bit puzzled when first I started on devel.nokia launchpad immediately, and then eventually found out there are actually 2 different programs |
| 20:25.18 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: and you are in the wrong one? |
| 20:25.36 | DocScrutinizer | I'm obviously in the "right" one now |
| 20:25.38 | DocScrutinizer | :-) |
| 20:25.52 | hiemanshu | darnit :/ |
| 20:26.09 | hiemanshu | well either ways, I am far away in India, so I have to wait longer :( |
| 20:26.18 | DocScrutinizer | though it'd be a pity to take away one of the 250, when konttori_home actually meant I should apply for devel.nokia DDP |
| 20:26.39 | GeneralAntilles | I think I need the device before I start prototyping UIs. |
| 20:26.47 | GeneralAntilles | I don't have any feel for how the apps normally look or function. |
| 20:27.18 | trumee | hiemanshu: hopefully you wont have to pay customs duty :p |
| 20:27.25 | hiemanshu | trumee: I hope too |
| 20:27.32 | hiemanshu | trumee: well something trivial is ok |
| 20:29.49 | konttori_home | GeneralAntilles, yeah. makes sense. When will you get yours? |
| 20:30.07 | GeneralAntilles | konttori_home, dunno, nobody's gotten codes yet (except Jaffa, the bastard). |
| 20:30.13 | GeneralAntilles | Most don't have the LaunchPad accounts yet. |
| 20:30.25 | konttori_home | Do you have a plan of what to develop? |
| 20:30.40 | GeneralAntilles | Crappy site: http://thousandsparrows.com/meego/ |
| 20:30.45 | GeneralAntilles | Photographer's suite. |
| 20:30.53 | GeneralAntilles | Light meter, exposure calculators |
| 20:31.01 | GeneralAntilles | But I'm working on the GPS logger right now. |
| 20:31.21 | GeneralAntilles | So you can geotag photos from your DSLR with GPX tracks from your phone. |
| 20:31.34 | divan | GeneralAntilles, cool. |
| 20:31.34 | konttori_home | sounds good. |
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| 20:33.23 | DocScrutinizer | konttori_home: anyway, seems USB hostmode for N9 is on its rail (modulo feasibility at large on that hw, and aegis), hope we make it just in time to get the right kernel for N9 rollout, so users don't have to jump hoops for getting it working |
| 20:33.51 | konttori_home | GeneralAntilles, for the light meter, indeed, it's an interesting question what to use as the meter itself. ALS is behind some screens and I think we were calibrating the values just this week for the final device. I would assume that you get more reliable results by using the camera module. |
| 20:34.04 | GeneralAntilles | konttori_home, indeed. |
| 20:34.10 | GeneralAntilles | But then you have the question of sampling. |
| 20:34.16 | konttori_home | DocScrutinizer, that would be sweet |
| 20:34.35 | konttori_home | GeneralAntilles, you might also use the forward facing camera. |
| 20:35.07 | GeneralAntilles | Wonder if you could account for the ALS filters. . . . |
| 20:35.08 | DocScrutinizer | konttori_home: I think for N9 hostmode is a must-have, given the shortcomings regarding other plug'able storage |
| 20:35.08 | konttori_home | But you have same sampling issue there as well. |
| 20:35.23 | GeneralAntilles | Lot less horsepower involved in getting a value out of that than the camera. |
| 20:36.28 | DocScrutinizer | GeneralAntilles: for the combined proxy-sensor&ALS there seem to be no datasheets available |
| 20:36.41 | DocScrutinizer | just mentioning |
| 20:37.24 | SpeedEvil | GeneralAntilles: General principle in openstreetmap is you take a picture of the camera showing its clock |
| 20:37.38 | konttori_home | Sure. Perhaps easier to start with ALS. I think it's pretty ok now, but our display experts are always wanting more. It's in reality like trying to figure the ambient light conditions by looking through a pin hole that points to one direction. |
| 20:38.04 | GeneralAntilles | Right |
| 20:38.30 | SpeedEvil | Dammit. |
| 20:38.42 | SpeedEvil | I just realised I wrote up an app proposal a couple of years ago. |
| 20:38.45 | SpeedEvil | meh. |
| 20:39.16 | SpeedEvil | Optimised openstreetmap camera including magnetometer and GPS. |
| 20:39.41 | GeneralAntilles | SpeedEvil, devices will probably free up. |
| 20:39.54 | SpeedEvil | Yeah. At that time I was envisioning it as a hardware product. |
| 20:40.19 | SpeedEvil | I wonder if it's worthwhile adding to project page. |
| 20:41.36 | GeneralAntilles | wishes some of the default applications actually worked in QEMU. |
| 20:41.37 | DocScrutinizer | konttori_home: probably when the "window" in front of ALS was matte, the result was way less "pinhole" |
| 20:41.51 | GeneralAntilles | SpeedEvil, can't hurt. |
| 20:42.08 | DocScrutinizer | konttori_home: I'm sure this would collide with proxy-sensor usage though |
| 20:42.27 | konttori_home | True. There is some changes in the latest protos (that I don't have). They added some screen. Maybe that does add some matte to it. Dunno. |
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| 20:43.09 | konttori_home | I think the sensors are separated, it's just the microcontroller that is shared. (but I could easily be mistaken) |
| 20:43.14 | SpeedEvil | GeneralAntilles: True |
| 20:43.32 | DocScrutinizer | konttori_home: as mentioned above, no datasheets available :-/ |
| 20:44.22 | GeneralAntilles | Whatever team did the UX guidelines did a fantastic job. |
| 20:44.30 | GeneralAntilles | All of the materials there are slick as can be. |
| 20:44.40 | GeneralAntilles | Documentation like I've never seen documentation from Nokia. |
| 20:44.40 | DocScrutinizer | well, maybe once I got the iron at my hands, I can tell more |
| 20:45.04 | Jaffa | konttori_home: _armattan's very cool. N950 keyboard is good too |
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| 20:45.30 | konttori_home | It's nice. Portrait home on n950 sucks |
| 20:45.42 | Jaffa | konttori_home: Want Google Talk and Twitter accounts, tho |
| 20:45.47 | Jaffa | konttori_home: true |
| 20:45.50 | konttori_home | somebody needs to do a theme that enables landscape home. |
| 20:45.52 | MoonTiger | how do i get qtcreator to use qt 4.7 for maemo? where can i actually get qt 4.7 for maemo? |
| 20:46.15 | DocScrutinizer | GeneralAntilles: the question probably is how much power the cam modules really eat, and how fast they can ramp up and shut down again |
| 20:46.23 | konttori_home | There should be a key in meegotouchhome-nokia style file that enables landscape mode. |
| 20:46.51 | MohammadAG | I'd do it but I don't have an N950 - yet :) |
| 20:47.00 | Jaffa | konttori_home: A few rough edges on this build, and email client needs a good replacement (conversations and non-obnoxious quoting) ;-) |
| 20:47.02 | DocScrutinizer | GeneralAntilles: I could imagine even a kernel driver "/sys/advanced-ALS/lux" based on camera |
| 20:47.17 | GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer, ooh. |
| 20:47.30 | konttori_home | DocScrutinizer, the forward facing camera probably takes very little. Als takes just like 140 microamps if I recall correctly |
| 20:47.48 | ShadowJK | Jaffa, does email client still choke on big mailboxes, does it support threading? |
| 20:47.49 | konttori_home | Oh no, 140 was proxi, so als is probably less |
| 20:48.12 | konttori_home | Jaffa, I so hear you about email. |
| 20:48.21 | Jaffa | ShadowJK: dunno about big, but no grouping, threading or conversations |
| 20:48.28 | GeneralAntilles | sighs at QEMU display garbage. |
| 20:49.00 | ShadowJK | Ah, so it's no better than N900 then :) |
| 20:49.11 | Jaffa | konttori_home: no way to go to next/prev email either? |
| 20:50.00 | DocScrutinizer | no threads on mail is definitely a killer |
| 20:50.09 | Jaffa | ShadowJK: At this point, a port of Modest to use the IMAP IDLE QMF backend would be an improvement. #include <pre-production-disclaimer.h> |
| 20:50.21 | hiemanshu | well I hope someone will port KMail or something |
| 20:50.30 | DocScrutinizer | \o/ |
| 20:50.44 | konttori_home | Jaffa, there is. Just do a quick Swipe gesture to left or right |
| 20:51.13 | Jaffa | konttori_home: ah, tried that and it didn't work |
| 20:51.13 | Sampppa_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:51.17 | konttori_home | It's not intuitive, but quite good for quickly scanning through email |
| 20:51.17 | Sampppa_ | to go trough emails |
| 20:51.19 | DocScrutinizer | lols on #include |
| 20:51.29 | konttori_home | Jaffa, well, it should. |
| 20:51.37 | konttori_home | Sampppa_, yeah, true. |
| 20:52.07 | Jaffa | konttori_home: got it |
| 20:52.44 | konttori_home | good. I think we were making it a bit easier to use like two weeks ago or so. |
| 20:53.01 | DocScrutinizer | hey Jaffa, is there a nice *tutorial* on this device? :-D |
| 20:53.01 | Sampppa_ | yeah it is better with latest builds :) |
| 20:54.04 | Jaffa | I dunno how old this build is, or if there are plans to ship N950 updates |
| 20:54.12 | konttori_home | Hmm... we should ask if we can send the sales candidate to developers as an update as early as possible. |
| 20:54.28 | Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: it's in the middle and 3 keys wide |
| 20:54.33 | konttori_home | We are changing the font metrics a bit, so I would think it would be fair for that reason alone. |
| 20:54.33 | Sampppa_ | konttori_home: afaik n950:s will get update to sales release when it is ready |
| 20:54.48 | Jaffa | konttori_home: +1 |
| 20:54.50 | konttori_home | good! |
| 20:55.03 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, there's an update on the website at least. |
| 20:55.13 | GeneralAntilles | Dunno if that's what's shipped with it. |
| 20:55.14 | Sampppa_ | easier for us to support when people are using the same sw version :) |
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| 20:55.24 | alterego | GeneralAntilles: it's actually a downgrade :P |
| 20:55.24 | Jaffa | If nothing else, we might start developing apps or features you've already done |
| 20:55.28 | DocScrutinizer | konttori_home: also SSU needs a field test I'd think |
| 20:55.28 | GeneralAntilles | Ah, nice. |
| 20:55.35 | konttori_home | (we just sent the metrics change in like 4 hours ago and I'm now waiting to see if it gets integrated) |
| 20:55.39 | Sampppa_ | devices should have been shipped with 22-6 version, special edition for devkits |
| 20:56.00 | konttori_home | DocScrutinizer, that would be nice, but otoh, we really are not expecting that it would need to work yet. |
| 20:56.05 | Sampppa_ | Jaffa: you will get update, when sales sw is ready |
| 20:56.18 | Jaffa | 1.2011.22-6 currently |
| 20:56.18 | DocScrutinizer | konttori_home: :-D |
| 20:56.21 | konttori_home | We have been using SSU now for some weeks succesfully internally, so it should work. |
| 20:56.57 | konttori_home | 22-6? |
| 20:57.00 | Sampppa_ | yes |
| 20:57.00 | konttori_home | Really? |
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| 20:57.07 | konttori_home | Wow. That's lame. |
| 20:57.11 | Sampppa_ | konttori_home: it is a long process |
| 20:57.16 | Sampppa_ | certifications etc |
| 20:57.41 | Sampppa_ | and making a separate branch for that etc. was a quite mess :) |
| 20:57.57 | DocScrutinizer | konttori_home: somewhere in this whole meego DDP process there was a passage like "we expect you to come up with apps til end of the year" (OWTTE) - is this what you would guess as well for a reasonable schedule? |
| 20:57.57 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, recommend an open source Qt Components application to poke around in? |
| 20:58.37 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: I vaguely recall there was a leak saying Sep. That does seem early though. |
| 20:58.40 | Sampppa_ | GeneralAntilles: you should check qt-components source package from beta sdk. There is examples/meego/qmlcomponentsgallery application |
| 20:58.50 | GeneralAntilles | Ah, yes, I did see that. |
| 20:58.51 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: indeed |
| 20:58.52 | Sampppa_ | that shows all the qt components and how to use them |
| 20:59.13 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: Sept might be announcement |
| 20:59.27 | SpeedEvil | True |
| 20:59.44 | SpeedEvil | 'This is the new n9 phone, it runs windows' |
| 20:59.46 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 20:59.47 | DocScrutinizer | or FCC, or whatever |
| 21:00.02 | konttori_home | what do you mean, like a reasonable schedule? |
| 21:00.13 | SpeedEvil | I think there is enough impetus to preclude that - hopefully. |
| 21:00.13 | konttori_home | that you make at least some app before the end of the year? |
| 21:00.17 | konttori_home | or what? |
| 21:00.46 | DocScrutinizer | konttori_home: basically yes, there's for sure a certain deadline for N9 apps |
| 21:01.04 | Jaffa | Interesting, can't swipe over virtual keyboard to get out of app |
| 21:01.09 | DocScrutinizer | esp for things like kernel patches etc |
| 21:01.28 | SpeedEvil | The videos showes a swype config screen. |
| 21:01.32 | SpeedEvil | Does that exist? |
| 21:02.06 | DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: outch |
| 21:02.11 | MohammadAG | konttori_home, any idea if the USB port on the N9 and the kernel are (almost) identical to the ones on the N950? |
| 21:02.15 | konttori_home | Hmm.. we have fixed around 3000 bugs since w22. So, what you guys have is pretty different from the current reality |
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| 21:02.30 | Sampppa_ | Jaffa: it is for changing keyboard input language |
| 21:02.38 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: It's probably unlikely - somewhat. |
| 21:02.39 | konttori_home | MohammadAG, kernel is the same, but I am not sure about USB |
| 21:02.46 | Sampppa_ | Jaffa: try to set more than one input language and swipe over vkb |
| 21:02.58 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: thanks :-D |
| 21:03.07 | Jaffa | Sampppa_: From off the screen should *always* act the same I thought? |
| 21:03.15 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: Without looking at it, I'd imagine that it's much more likely the chipset in question has fixed USB phy - so it's more likely the USB is plugged directly into the gaia equivalent |
| 21:03.26 | Jaffa | konttori_home: That's a good fixing rate |
| 21:03.43 | SpeedEvil | Which may imply things for battery charging too. |
| 21:04.14 | konttori_home | Jaffa, Swipe from within the VKB region was disabled to get as good input experience as possible |
| 21:04.29 | konttori_home | you can still swipe from left or right on the application area |
| 21:04.42 | konttori_home | It was a compromize that just made tons of sense. |
| 21:04.46 | MohammadAG | konttori_home, one more question, do you know which parts of the UI are open? |
| 21:04.58 | MohammadAG | I know the swipe + compositor are closed |
| 21:05.08 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: indeed |
| 21:05.22 | Jaffa | konttori_home: Indeed, but it's caught me out a few times already. But glad (to be told) it's not a bug |
| 21:05.25 | konttori_home | Home is closed partially. Lock screen and system UI components are also closed partially |
| 21:05.46 | MohammadAG | partially? |
| 21:05.50 | SpeedEvil | BME closed - got a ping on that bug. |
| 21:05.51 | Sampppa_ | Jaffa: also you see that it makes sense if u have more than one input language |
| 21:05.55 | Jaffa | The left side |
| 21:06.05 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: ?? |
| 21:06.09 | MohammadAG | oh nice, mce segfaulted on my N900 |
| 21:06.13 | konttori_home | Yeah, e.g. home has a library in lgpl that contains the switcher/recents view code and the launcher grid code. |
| 21:06.21 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: lol |
| 21:06.42 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: I subscribed to the 'open BME' bug - and got a message saying it was closed for n9 too |
| 21:06.50 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: indicator LED + fcam issue again? |
| 21:06.53 | konttori_home | the closed source version then contains a 3 panes and just pulls two of the panels from the open source library and adds the events panel in totally closed source code |
| 21:07.02 | Jaffa | Sampppa_: where do you configure input languages\ don't remember seeing it in settings... |
| 21:07.05 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, nope, it just did it out of the blue after a reboot |
| 21:07.07 | konttori_home | same kind of thing for lock screen as well. |
| 21:07.09 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: aah that one, yes |
| 21:07.20 | MohammadAG | TS and keyboard were disabled, screen was unlocked, so I couldn't do anything but pull the battery |
| 21:07.48 | konttori_home | MohammadAG, keep power button pressed for 8 seconds will do a hard power off |
| 21:08.03 | Sampppa_ | Jaffa: settings-> time & date -> text input |
| 21:08.05 | MohammadAG | konttori_home, so adding homescreens/views isn't possible without some hacking right? :) |
| 21:08.08 | DocScrutinizer | konttori_home: how open is dialer? any changes to the better, compared to fremantle? |
| 21:08.08 | MohammadAG | konttori_home, on the N900? |
| 21:08.14 | konttori_home | MohammadAG, no. |
| 21:08.21 | MohammadAG | I thought that was the case for devices without a pullable battery (ala N8 |
| 21:08.21 | Sampppa_ | Jaffa: and the last setting is multi selection dialog :) |
| 21:08.25 | MohammadAG | ) |
| 21:08.43 | konttori_home | DocScrutinizer, all pieces of code near cellular stack are totally closed |
| 21:08.51 | DocScrutinizer | as usual |
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| 21:09.12 | Jaffa | Sampppa_: Ah, cool. Ta |
| 21:09.22 | DocScrutinizer | well, atleast the SMSCB bug got fixed I guess |
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| 21:10.25 | konttori_home | Even N9 has pullable battery. Just not very convenient to access. Anyway, N950 also has the support for hard power off. And the battery of it is behid screws, so not conveniently accessible either. |
| 21:10.43 | MohammadAG | I'm assuming the N9 uses ofono? |
| 21:10.44 | SpeedEvil | konttori_home: have you opened the n9 case? |
| 21:10.46 | konttori_home | Ah, you emant n900. Sorry. |
| 21:10.50 | MohammadAG | if so, alterego's dialer is a possible replacement |
| 21:10.57 | DocScrutinizer | konttori_home: errr what SpeedEvil asked |
| 21:11.37 | konttori_home | SpeedEvil, yeah, tons of times when I was changing the display to my device several times a day between different display batches. |
| 21:11.54 | DocScrutinizer | haha, sounds like fun |
| 21:12.13 | SpeedEvil | konttori_home: Got any spare displays? :) |
| 21:12.19 | MohammadAG | by pullable battery I meant you can easily pull it out without using any tools :) |
| 21:12.20 | konttori_home | It's locked behind two torx screws, then a bit of force from underneath and it pops up. |
| 21:12.44 | SpeedEvil | konttori_home: So it's not too bad to dissasemble? The display is just I guess flat, behind the curved glas? |
| 21:13.11 | SpeedEvil | konttori_home: And is the USB surface-mount or through-hole? |
| 21:13.32 | SpeedEvil | Oh - forgot about the whole NDA thing that possibly applies - nvm. |
| 21:13.34 | konttori_home | Nono. Display is in the curved glass. It's really quite marvellous what the display guys have done. |
| 21:13.42 | SpeedEvil | Ah. |
| 21:13.53 | SpeedEvil | Sounds regrettably expensive if it needs fixed. |
| 21:14.05 | ShadowJK | are the pixels flat or do they curve |
| 21:14.13 | konttori_home | There is no separate glass. It's infused to the display panel itself without any air in there |
| 21:14.23 | konttori_home | Pixels are flat. |
| 21:14.24 | SpeedEvil | N900 you can get a whole new screen assembly for $80 or so. |
| 21:14.47 | MohammadAG | I thought it was gorilla glass |
| 21:14.50 | ShadowJK | so the distance from finger to pixels vary? |
| 21:14.54 | Jaffa | Right, bed time |
| 21:14.57 | konttori_home | I think display costs about as much as the rest of the device. It's just a hunch, I've never seen the prices. |
| 21:15.21 | SpeedEvil | I can't imagine how a screen protector works on a curved screen. |
| 21:15.24 | Jaffa | konttori_home: Battery saving mode > Automatic with configurable threshold is also a brilliant idea |
| 21:15.28 | konttori_home | MohammadAG, yeah, it's some type of glass they use also in aeroplanes |
| 21:15.35 | SpeedEvil | Also - will capacitive work with screen protectors? |
| 21:16.08 | konttori_home | SpeedEvil, I would not put any. Capacitance is already so-so with so thick glass. |
| 21:16.22 | MohammadAG | yes, protectors work on the iPhone |
| 21:16.47 | MohammadAG | speaking of iPhones I love how the OS handles misclicks |
| 21:16.52 | konttori_home | Jaffa, I don't see any point to the battery saving mode. Perhaps indeed it it would kick of all connectivity during the night. Good idea. |
| 21:17.01 | ShadowJK | How big is the distance between surface you touch, and display layer? On N900 it's huge, N810 less so |
| 21:17.02 | SpeedEvil | konttori_home: :/ I scratch up my n900 regularly with keys and stuff - I don't imagine I wouldn't scratch up a n9 if I had one and was actually using it. |
| 21:17.09 | konttori_home | iphone has much thinner glass. |
| 21:17.12 | MohammadAG | buttons have a radius, clicking that activates the button |
| 21:17.15 | MohammadAG | oh |
| 21:17.38 | konttori_home | SpeedEvil, N900 has plastic screen, N9 has glass. Really scratch proof glass. |
| 21:18.01 | MohammadAG | ShadowJK, why does it matter? the screen isn't bending anyway |
| 21:18.02 | cehteh | yes gorilla glass is quite good |
| 21:18.06 | ShadowJK | hasnt seen scratch proof anything yet |
| 21:18.10 | SpeedEvil | konttori_home: One of the occasions I scratched the n900 involved putting a pair of seccaterurs in the same pocket, and bending up and down several hundred times. |
| 21:18.29 | Jaffa | konttori_home: I assume it reduces clock speeds, turns off/delays some background tasks |
| 21:18.30 | cehteh | the n900 screen can easily scratched .. |
| 21:18.34 | konttori_home | ShadowJK, it's probably close to 2 mm. capacitance layer is yet under the oled. |
| 21:18.36 | Jaffa | But my BT is still on, so who knows... |
| 21:18.53 | Sampppa_ | Jaffa: but it kicks in only after the battery level is getting low? |
| 21:18.55 | Jaffa | Anyway, bedtime. |
| 21:19.03 | ShadowJK | MohammadAG, because on n900 the large distance makes for big variation depending on the angle you look at it |
| 21:19.13 | Sampppa_ | Jaffa: it reduces display brightness, disallows background connections etc. |
| 21:19.19 | Jaffa | Sampppa_: Yes, mine's just kicked in. |
| 21:19.26 | konttori_home | Jaffa, the only one it needs to do is to turn of network use. That's probably enough to make a difference |
| 21:19.39 | Jaffa | I see |
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| 21:19.51 | gri | the n950 has a flat screen and normal glass? |
| 21:20.01 | MohammadAG | yes, and a TFT screen |
| 21:20.06 | konttori_home | gri, yeah. something like that. |
| 21:20.43 | konttori_home | TFT is better for some things and worse for others. The power consumption of white screens on oled is astounding. |
| 21:21.06 | SpeedEvil | In bright sun from one direction, you can turn off the n900 backlight |
| 21:21.11 | konttori_home | And N950 hsa stripe RGB, whereas N9 has Pentile matrix RGBG |
| 21:21.20 | Sampppa_ | good night fellows o/ |
| 21:21.25 | konttori_home | night! |
| 21:22.03 | MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, yep, I do that a lot :) |
| 21:22.07 | ShadowJK | ouh |
| 21:22.10 | cehteh | there is still no perfect display :/ |
| 21:22.18 | konttori_home | N9s display has some quality issues for thin lines of white on black type of cases. that's why you see that all white fonts on dark are always so bolded. |
| 21:22.25 | MohammadAG | isn't the default theme on the N9 white? |
| 21:22.51 | SpeedEvil | default black themes will use way less power |
| 21:23.02 | konttori_home | No. It's a mix between Dark frameworks, light productivity applications and dark meadia applications |
| 21:23.17 | GeneralAntilles | Where in the world are the toolbar icons hiding. . . . |
| 21:23.18 | konttori_home | Yes, creating a dark theme would save a lot of power. |
| 21:23.23 | SpeedEvil | wonders how much 'off' with a teeny notification on the screen uses. |
| 21:23.27 | ShadowJK | why havent i seen pentile mentioned anywhere before... isn't it a major readability issue? Especially since vkb steals screen so you'd want to use 8pixel fonts to see stuff.. |
| 21:23.35 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: yes. |
| 21:23.38 | MoonTiger | does anybody use sqlite on maemo with qt? |
| 21:23.45 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: you basically can't use 1 pixel lines simply |
| 21:23.56 | hiemanshu | MoonTiger: yes? |
| 21:24.00 | SpeedEvil | At least without knowing it's a pentile screen. |
| 21:24.01 | konttori_home | GeneralAntilles, in /usr/share/themes/blanco/meegotouch/icons if I recall correctly |
| 21:24.10 | konttori_home | or perhaps in base |
| 21:24.14 | ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, so for text you effectively have half the resolution? |
| 21:24.14 | Sampppa_ | base yes |
| 21:24.24 | MoonTiger | hiemanshu, i am having terrible trouble with it and wonder if you could look see what i might be doing wrong? |
| 21:24.34 | hiemanshu | MoonTiger: sure |
| 21:24.38 | konttori_home | ShadowJK, pentile works really quite well for most of the cases. Just not on white on black case. |
| 21:24.40 | MoonTiger | a minute |
| 21:24.50 | ShadowJK | how good is the N9 ts? wavy like droid? :P |
| 21:25.06 | ShadowJK | konttori_home, black on white then? |
| 21:25.12 | MoonTiger | hiemanshu, http://pastebin.com/XKvTLHG9 |
| 21:25.13 | konttori_home | We have been working a lot with samsung and LG to get the subpixel rendering for pentile to look good. |
| 21:25.15 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: Somewhere on that order. |
| 21:25.18 | konttori_home | ShadowJK, that works quite well. |
| 21:25.31 | GeneralAntilles | It's empty here for some reason. |
| 21:25.40 | GeneralAntilles | blames weird Qt SDK. |
| 21:25.43 | GeneralAntilles | grabs the laptop. |
| 21:25.45 | konttori_home | Something to do with how eye handles the edges in that case. |
| 21:26.02 | MoonTiger | hiemanshu, i commented out all but the simplest case |
| 21:26.10 | konttori_home | ShadowJK, what is ts? |
| 21:26.13 | hiemanshu | MoonTiger: and what is the problem? |
| 21:26.13 | SpeedEvil | I wonder how well saying 'screw it - ignore the colours' works for 1 pixel lines. |
| 21:26.17 | ShadowJK | bah. Cisco seems to have acquired the people who tested touchscreens with robots, and deleted the test results |
| 21:26.28 | MoonTiger | i keep getting "parameter count mismatch" |
| 21:26.43 | MoonTiger | i have tried every possible way to prepare a statement |
| 21:26.48 | MoonTiger | all give the exact same error |
| 21:27.09 | ShadowJK | http://www.electronista.com/articles/10/03/24/robot.test.shows.apple.htc.best.at.touch.accuracy/ |
| 21:27.17 | hiemanshu | MoonTiger: first off, use one convention for binding values |
| 21:27.26 | MohammadAG | k time to start writing that status menu plugin for the N950's brightness level |
| 21:27.30 | ShadowJK | wondring where N9 would be in that collection |
| 21:27.43 | MoonTiger | hiemanshu, i am ... the code i pasted is just commented down to the minimal and that is the latest incarnation |
| 21:28.16 | hiemanshu | MoonTiger: where are you opening the db? |
| 21:28.19 | MoonTiger | they were all the same method originally but i commented it down and started trying different variations |
| 21:28.29 | MoonTiger | lines 1 & 2 |
| 21:29.20 | hiemanshu | MoonTiger: QSqlDatabase db = QSqlDatabase::addDatabase("QSQLITE"); db.setDatabaseName("data.db"); and then db.open() |
| 21:29.42 | MoonTiger | hiemanshu, i thought you only had to set the type and name once in the app? |
| 21:30.04 | MohammadAG | gconftool-2 -R /system/osso/dsm/display can someone with an N950 do that and pastebin the output? |
| 21:30.32 | MoonTiger | which i do in the mainwindow.cpp |
| 21:30.38 | hiemanshu | MoonTiger: well if you are re-instantiating it, you should redo it right |
| 21:30.49 | konttori_home | ShadowJK, ah, that's an interesting question. Dunno. Would be great to see. |
| 21:31.13 | MoonTiger | hiemanshu, i thought that once set the app knew the default database and from then on one had just to reference it? |
| 21:31.18 | MoonTiger | did i read that wrong? |
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| 21:31.59 | konttori_home | ok, font went in now. Time to go to bed! Night all! |
| 21:32.09 | hiemanshu | Night konttori_home |
| 21:32.14 | MohammadAG | night konttori_home |
| 21:32.16 | hiemanshu | MoonTiger: well if you are using the same one yes |
| 21:32.36 | MoonTiger | i am using the same database but not the same db object ... the original went out of scope |
| 21:33.15 | hiemanshu | MoonTiger: well from what I have done so far, you'll have to recreate the db object, so give it a try |
| 21:33.40 | MoonTiger | hiemanshu, thnx very much ... i will try that right away .... thank you |
| 21:33.41 | MoonTiger | :) |
| 21:35.14 | DocScrutinizer | konttori_home: you're aware of statum touch technology? |
| 21:35.19 | DocScrutinizer | stantum even |
| 21:35.38 | DocScrutinizer | konttori_home: just a sugestion ;-) |
| 21:36.01 | DocScrutinizer | for the next even more awesome device |
| 21:36.19 | SpeedEvil | Yeah - well - capacitive seems to be the new shiny. |
| 21:36.41 | alterego | We should have a N950 pool |
| 21:36.41 | SpeedEvil | I wouldn't mind if it could be gotten pressure sensitive. |
| 21:36.43 | DocScrutinizer | konttori_home: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bv3X5y-ajtc |
| 21:37.08 | alterego | I reckon well get launchpad replies, erm, wednesday |
| 21:37.21 | alterego | we'll |
| 21:38.20 | hiemanshu | alterego: eh? did you get inside info? or just a guess? |
| 21:38.40 | alterego | A guess |
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| 21:38.48 | alterego | There is no inside info :P |
| 21:38.51 | pabs3 | DocScrutinizer: whats the status of that stuff? too expensive for the market so far? |
| 21:39.00 | DocScrutinizer | dunno |
| 21:39.45 | hiemanshu | alterego: well until then enjoy some music and code :D |
| 21:39.49 | DocScrutinizer | pabs3: Stantum seems to licence the technology to touchscreen amnufacturers |
| 21:39.55 | pabs3 | looks forward to a phone with statum touch, qi screen, lytro camera |
| 21:40.59 | SpeedEvil | With e-ink on the back. |
| 21:41.17 | DocScrutinizer | with another touchpanel on the back! :-D |
| 21:41.34 | alterego | And a pico projector capable of 1920x1200 |
| 21:41.35 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: with customizable buttons :D |
| 21:41.43 | DocScrutinizer | sou you can operate the device "in transparent mode" |
| 21:41.44 | alterego | From 12 feet |
| 21:41.54 | hiemanshu | ar 86" |
| 21:41.58 | hiemanshu | at* |
| 21:42.01 | alterego | Heh |
| 21:42.13 | alterego | And LTE |
| 21:42.30 | hiemanshu | naah, 4xLTE |
| 21:42.44 | alterego | Maybe they'll finally chuck in HDMI and USB OTG |
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| 21:42.52 | DocScrutinizer | haha |
| 21:43.12 | hiemanshu | with a KB, scotch taped to the device :D |
| 21:43.18 | alterego | And a camera that you can take a picture of a dvd or cd and it reads it to internal memory. |
| 21:43.24 | DocScrutinizer | alterego: only after they finished that case from unobtanium |
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| 21:43.30 | alterego | Hah |
| 21:43.42 | alterego | How can you recycle unobtainium though? |
| 21:43.53 | alterego | Probably still be plastic ;) |
| 21:44.05 | hiemanshu | adamantium? |
| 21:44.17 | alterego | I wonder if we'll ever be able to design/print out mobiles with a 3D printer |
| 21:44.40 | hiemanshu | sure, and hang em on your walls :P |
| 21:44.42 | alterego | And a real dream recorder |
| 21:44.52 | MoonTiger | hiemanshu, i am more confused now |
| 21:45.03 | alterego | Like in red dwarf |
| 21:45.05 | hiemanshu | MoonTiger: umm, why? |
| 21:45.07 | MoonTiger | i thought the qsqldatabase was a effectively a singleton |
| 21:45.14 | pabs3 | SpeedEvil: what about the whole phone case is combination e-ink and solar panel? |
| 21:45.33 | MoonTiger | so in my mainwindow.cpp i do the qsqldatabase db = qsqldatabase::adddatabase() etc etc |
| 21:45.35 | pabs3 | instant case colour changes :) |
| 21:45.39 | SpeedEvil | pabs3: Well - of course. |
| 21:45.50 | MoonTiger | then in an different dialog and class i want to use the database |
| 21:46.01 | MoonTiger | i cannot do adddatabase() again as i already have the database |
| 21:46.13 | MoonTiger | all i want is a connection to the default database |
| 21:47.30 | MoonTiger | adddatabase *creates* a database yes? |
| 21:47.39 | hiemanshu | it creates a new connection yes |
| 21:47.47 | MoonTiger | or is that the language qt uses to create a connection to the database? |
| 21:48.15 | MoonTiger | so basically i do that every time i want to connect and fire off quesries? |
| 21:48.38 | MoonTiger | beats head against desk |
| 21:48.48 | hiemanshu | ugh wait |
| 21:48.51 | hiemanshu | you have me confused now |
| 21:48.57 | MoonTiger | so ive wasted 2 days because of the language used in the docs *sigh* |
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| 21:49.42 | MoonTiger | adddatabase(...) is like creating a connection object of type "..." |
| 21:49.52 | MoonTiger | then i give it the name |
| 21:49.56 | MoonTiger | then i can open it |
| 21:50.10 | MoonTiger | if it doesnt exist it gets created as an empty database file |
| 21:50.21 | MoonTiger | then i can shoot sql to it for execution |
| 21:50.25 | hiemanshu | yes |
| 21:50.29 | MoonTiger | would that be correct? |
| 21:50.32 | MoonTiger | ok |
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| 21:50.44 | MoonTiger | god what a way to learn the lesson |
| 21:50.46 | hiemanshu | MoonTiger: hold on, let me paste you my code |
| 21:50.49 | MoonTiger | thanks and so sorry to be so dumb |
| 21:50.54 | MoonTiger | thank you |
| 21:51.37 | MoonTiger | i think i got confused because i usually work with big dbms systems like sql server / mysql etc .... sqlite is different |
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| 21:52.56 | MoonTiger | then if my connection object goes out of scope and gets freed i have to create it again .... its essesntially a state-less database |
| 21:53.01 | MoonTiger | sighs |
| 21:54.11 | hiemanshu | MoonTiger: http://paste.kde.org/90493/ |
| 21:55.37 | MoonTiger | hiemanshu, thnx very much ... if you wanted to do an sql query in a different class altogether .... say a dalog box ... you would have to do the adddatabase(...) thing again right? |
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| 21:57.04 | MoonTiger | wait... you leave the connection open for the whole app? |
| 21:57.29 | hiemanshu | MoonTiger: yes, I close it when its ending |
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| 21:57.42 | MoonTiger | oh my god ... so of course it exists throughout the app |
| 21:57.44 | hiemanshu | because mine keeps polling data |
| 21:57.57 | MoonTiger | again ... i am used to oopening and closing connections as fast as possible |
| 21:58.03 | MoonTiger | web stuff is like that |
| 21:58.34 | MoonTiger | but if you closed it and had to open it again you would have to do the whole thing again yes? |
| 21:59.00 | hiemanshu | no you shouldn't have to do it again, you should be able to open it, since the connection is still set |
| 21:59.22 | MoonTiger | but doesnt the connection (db) go out of scope and get destroyed? |
| 21:59.27 | hiemanshu | oh wait |
| 21:59.38 | hiemanshu | close() closes the whole thing yes |
| 21:59.55 | MoonTiger | so then repeat the entire adddatabase() thing |
| 22:00.03 | hiemanshu | yeah |
| 22:00.09 | MoonTiger | thats where i have been going wrong |
| 22:00.14 | hiemanshu | but you shouldn't have to close it really, use the same object? |
| 22:00.32 | MoonTiger | well i am needing to connect from various classes / dialogs |
| 22:00.47 | MoonTiger | so i cannot reqlly use the same object unless i declare it on the stack and pass it around |
| 22:00.50 | hiemanshu | then dont close it, leave it open |
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| 22:00.57 | MoonTiger | or make the ptr accessible with a get/set |
| 22:01.09 | hiemanshu | and use QSqlDatabase db = QSqlDatabase::database() |
| 22:01.25 | MoonTiger | so that line works on an *open* database |
| 22:01.29 | MoonTiger | not a closed one |
| 22:01.36 | hiemanshu | yes |
| 22:01.49 | MoonTiger | wow head meet desk |
| 22:02.12 | MoonTiger | thank you so much for your time |
| 22:02.16 | MoonTiger | i appreciate it |
| 22:02.17 | MoonTiger | :) |
| 22:02.22 | hiemanshu | MoonTiger: you want me to explain it in simpler terms? |
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| 22:02.44 | MoonTiger | hiemanshu, i work with databases all day every day ... i think the nature of sqlite is throwing me off |
| 22:02.57 | MoonTiger | and maybe the qt thing |
| 22:03.02 | hiemanshu | MoonTiger: well not really no, its the same with MySQL or PgSQL |
| 22:03.13 | MoonTiger | ok then maybe explain for dummies? |
| 22:03.19 | MoonTiger | <--- dummy |
| 22:04.31 | hiemanshu | MoonTiger: lets say you have a house, if you want to enter the house you use open(), and when you want more people to enter in (new connections) you use database(), and once you close() the gate, you cannot open() the gate again |
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| 22:05.10 | MoonTiger | ok |
| 22:05.21 | hiemanshu | makes sense? |
| 22:05.37 | MoonTiger | i think so .... basically i can open the db and leave it open for the life of the app |
| 22:05.42 | hiemanshu | yup |
| 22:05.48 | MoonTiger | then just get connections to it where i need them |
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| 22:06.04 | hiemanshu | yes |
| 22:06.15 | MoonTiger | wow no wonder i couldnt get my code working |
| 22:06.18 | MoonTiger | thank you |
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| 22:18.44 | hiemanshu | are the harmattan examples in the SDK? |
| 22:20.19 | GeneralAntilles | The Qt SDK, no, the Harmattan Beta SDK, yes. |
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| 22:20.32 | hiemanshu | GeneralAntilles: err, where is that? |
| 22:20.40 | GeneralAntilles | No idea. |
| 22:20.46 | GeneralAntilles | I just know there're supposed to be there. |
| 22:20.54 | GeneralAntilles | doesn't have a lot of scratchbox experience. |
| 22:21.13 | hiemanshu | GeneralAntilles: ah, there are in the sbox one? |
| 22:21.21 | GeneralAntilles | Believe so. |
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| 22:25.11 | MoonTiger | hiemanshu, still not working *sigh* |
| 22:25.20 | MoonTiger | may i ask one last question? |
| 22:25.27 | hiemanshu | MoonTiger: the same thing? |
| 22:25.32 | MoonTiger | yes |
| 22:25.46 | hiemanshu | what was it again? |
| 22:25.57 | MoonTiger | parameter count mismatch |
| 22:26.44 | MoonTiger | say you do the whole QSqlDatabase db = QSqlDatabase::addDatabase("QSQLITE") etc etc in mainwindow |
| 22:26.58 | MoonTiger | then somewhere else in your app (say a settings dialog box) |
| 22:27.06 | MoonTiger | you need to access the database |
| 22:27.25 | MoonTiger | you cant use the db variable you created in mainwindow |
| 22:27.33 | hiemanshu | MoonTiger: ok, are you sure you have the tables created? |
| 22:27.34 | MoonTiger | so how do you access the database |
| 22:27.37 | MoonTiger | yes |
| 22:27.39 | MoonTiger | that bit works |
| 22:27.46 | MoonTiger | a plain sl query is no problem |
| 22:27.48 | MoonTiger | sql |
| 22:27.59 | MoonTiger | its the parameterized queries that fil |
| 22:28.02 | hiemanshu | because parameter mismatch is usually a db error |
| 22:28.02 | MoonTiger | fsil |
| 22:28.28 | hiemanshu | MoonTiger: how big the db? |
| 22:28.31 | hiemanshu | +is |
| 22:28.31 | MoonTiger | so all the examples i have found including yours are in a single file / class |
| 22:28.48 | MoonTiger | what if you have many diff classes all accessing the db? |
| 22:29.04 | MoonTiger | the db is 6144 bytes |
| 22:29.06 | MoonTiger | :) |
| 22:29.13 | MoonTiger | 3 tables |
| 22:29.15 | hiemanshu | MoonTiger: upload it somewhere? |
| 22:29.28 | MoonTiger | the database create sql? |
| 22:29.34 | hiemanshu | the db |
| 22:29.48 | MoonTiger | ummmmm |
| 22:29.56 | MoonTiger | what would you look for? |
| 22:30.17 | hiemanshu | I'll test the code here |
| 22:30.26 | hiemanshu | GeneralAntilles: http://fpaste.org/KmEs/ no examples :/ |
| 22:30.30 | MoonTiger | ahhhhhhh |
| 22:30.32 | MoonTiger | ok |
| 22:30.34 | MoonTiger | 1 sec |
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| 22:33.59 | MoonTiger | hiemanshu, http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7883332/qdent.zip |
| 22:34.09 | MoonTiger | is the entire project zipped .... its not big |
| 22:34.23 | MoonTiger | and the code is me learning qt as well so dont be too harsh :/ |
| 22:35.16 | hiemanshu | MoonTiger: and where is the db? |
| 22:35.25 | MoonTiger | it gets created in the code when it runs |
| 22:35.32 | MoonTiger | if it doesnt exist |
| 22:36.00 | hiemanshu | MoonTiger: which part exactly? |
| 22:36.11 | MoonTiger | mainwindow.cpp ..... chkdatabase() |
| 22:37.37 | hiemanshu | CREATE TABLE 'accounts', CREATE TABLE feedinfo, learn to be consistent :P |
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| 22:38.26 | MoonTiger | it was code generated from sqlite3 cmdline |
| 22:38.34 | MoonTiger | but point taken ... i should be more observant |
| 22:38.52 | hiemanshu | ok |
| 22:40.11 | hiemanshu | MoonTiger: so you are creating a table with 6 values, and sending it 5 values |
| 22:40.28 | MoonTiger | well the autoinc field seems very confusing to me in sqlite3 |
| 22:40.37 | MoonTiger | im not sure if i should include it or not |
| 22:40.38 | hiemanshu | MoonTiger: you need to send a NULL for the auto increment field |
| 22:40.50 | MoonTiger | i tried that but got the same failure |
| 22:41.13 | MoonTiger | QVariant(QString()) |
| 22:41.16 | MoonTiger | or something |
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| 22:41.50 | MoonTiger | very pdd having to mention autoinc columns in a query |
| 22:41.53 | MoonTiger | odd |
| 22:42.26 | hiemanshu | MoonTiger: it should be NULL, not a QString, just add it to the SQL Query |
| 22:42.40 | MoonTiger | NULL .. not in quotes or anything? |
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| 22:42.59 | hiemanshu | no, just NULL |
| 22:43.07 | MoonTiger | ok got it |
| 22:46.13 | MoonTiger | exactly the same ... parameter count mismatch |
| 22:46.46 | MoonTiger | database not open |
| 22:46.48 | MoonTiger | wow |
| 22:47.01 | MoonTiger | i got a log message saying database not open at the prepare line |
| 22:47.36 | hiemanshu | hah see |
| 22:47.45 | MoonTiger | wait now i try again :) |
| 22:48.41 | MoonTiger | ok now i dont get database not open but..... still get parameter count mismatch |
| 22:48.58 | MoonTiger | if i take out the parameterized query and just do string conact it works |
| 22:49.02 | MoonTiger | concat |
| 22:49.19 | MoonTiger | its the prepare thing .... i think something is wrong in the version of qt i have |
| 22:49.25 | MoonTiger | which i think is 4.6.2 |
| 22:49.34 | MoonTiger | but i dont even know how to tell that |
| 22:49.52 | MoonTiger | my qtsdk folder for maemo is 4.6.2 |
| 22:50.13 | hiemanshu | MoonTiger: help > about qt creator |
| 22:50.32 | MoonTiger | well i have 4.7.4 on my pc |
| 22:50.49 | MoonTiger | but the maemo qtsdk folder inside the qtsdk folder says 4.6.2 |
| 22:50.59 | MoonTiger | and it builds the maemo version with 4.6.2 |
| 22:51.06 | hiemanshu | MoonTiger: try using addBindValue instead of bindValue? |
| 22:51.08 | MoonTiger | according to the output |
| 22:51.11 | MoonTiger | tried that |
| 22:51.26 | MoonTiger | thats why the code is such a mess right now ... i tried every variation on the theme |
| 22:51.34 | MoonTiger | addbindvalue |
| 22:51.37 | MoonTiger | bindvalue |
| 22:51.44 | MoonTiger | positional vs named |
| 22:51.55 | MoonTiger | always "parameter count mismatch" |
| 22:52.07 | Oppo|n900 | what is the videoplayer called in maemo? |
| 22:52.11 | hiemanshu | MoonTiger: ok try #qt |
| 22:52.12 | MoonTiger | i even looked at the qsqlquery source code |
| 22:52.25 | hiemanshu | MoonTiger: because I have to sleep, its 4:30 AM :P |
| 22:52.25 | Oppo|n900 | if I were to laumch it from commandline |
| 22:52.32 | MoonTiger | i tried there and they say "dont know about maemo" |
| 22:52.46 | MoonTiger | i tried #qt-maemo but nobody answers |
| 22:52.51 | hiemanshu | MoonTiger: just ask em saying it a qt question, wont be any different |
| 22:52.58 | MoonTiger | thanks so much for trying .... i really do appreciate it |
| 22:53.03 | hiemanshu | dont tell them its maemo, say its desktop |
| 22:53.11 | MoonTiger | they say it works for them |
| 22:53.12 | hiemanshu | because there isnt maemo specific bits in here |
| 22:53.23 | hiemanshu | well it works for me too :P |
| 22:53.25 | MoonTiger | i should try a desktop verison of just that to test it |
| 22:53.34 | hiemanshu | yes, do that |
| 22:53.35 | MoonTiger | do u use qtcreator? |
| 22:53.40 | hiemanshu | yup |
| 22:53.59 | MoonTiger | when u build for meamo does the compiler output mention 4.6.2? |
| 22:54.04 | MoonTiger | or 4.7 |
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| 22:55.18 | hiemanshu | hold on |
| 22:55.31 | MoonTiger | k |
| 22:56.12 | hiemanshu | 4.6.2 |
| 22:56.18 | MoonTiger | ok same as me |
| 22:56.24 | MoonTiger | ok thanks that helps |
| 22:56.27 | MoonTiger | then t is my code |
| 22:56.35 | MoonTiger | i can figure it out eventually |
| 22:56.37 | MoonTiger | :) |
| 22:56.53 | hiemanshu | MoonTiger: the current code is the latest one? |
| 22:56.56 | hiemanshu | the one I ahve? |
| 22:57.03 | hiemanshu | QSqlQuery sql(); is wrong :P |
| 22:57.06 | MoonTiger | well its been hacked quite a bit |
| 22:57.08 | MoonTiger | i know |
| 22:57.09 | MoonTiger | i saw that |
| 22:57.12 | MoonTiger | tha was ahack |
| 22:57.21 | MoonTiger | it did have a db in it |
| 22:57.26 | MoonTiger | but i removed the db and forgot that |
| 22:57.32 | MoonTiger | but it want like that before |
| 22:57.39 | MoonTiger | wasnt |
| 22:57.58 | MoonTiger | i think i have missed something in my understanding of sqlite |
| 22:58.09 | MoonTiger | i think i miust build a desktop verson i can step thru |
| 22:58.14 | MoonTiger | then i can move that to maemo |
| 22:58.50 | MoonTiger | cant thank you enough for taking the time to help :) |
| 22:59.35 | MoonTiger | and honestly i am a very neat and tidy programmer ... been coding for 20yrs now and work with dbs all day every day as well as php / c# / c++ / etc |
| 22:59.50 | MoonTiger | so the mess you see there is just from me hacking things around to try different versions |
| 22:59.53 | MoonTiger | :| |
| 23:00.05 | hiemanshu | 20 years? wow |
| 23:00.12 | MoonTiger | yah |
| 23:00.17 | hiemanshu | is barely 21 |
| 23:00.25 | MoonTiger | hehe :) |
| 23:00.35 | hiemanshu | you are coding for more time than I can even speak : |
| 23:00.37 | hiemanshu | :P |
| 23:00.40 | MoonTiger | lol |
| 23:00.45 | MoonTiger | but always learning |
| 23:01.05 | hiemanshu | yeah, thats one that never changes |
| 23:01.07 | hiemanshu | anyways |
| 23:01.10 | MoonTiger | and i am very very anal with code .... programmers who work for me have to stick to very strict standards |
| 23:01.14 | MoonTiger | thanks again |
| 23:01.20 | hiemanshu | is off to sleep |
| 23:01.23 | MoonTiger | me too |
| 23:01.25 | MoonTiger | late here |
| 23:01.43 | MoonTiger | nite |
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| 23:22.45 | MohammadAG | o/ javispedro |
| 23:22.49 | javispedro | evening gentlemen |
| 23:23.08 | javispedro | people are making beatiful icons |
| 23:23.26 | javispedro | I quite like the spotify one -- http://depot.javispedro.com/nit/hicg/files/4e0dd9cfc1bcc_icon.png |
| 23:23.34 | javispedro | looks like perfection |
| 23:24.05 | javispedro | (might have something to do with my favourite color being green though ;) ) |
| 23:26.10 | hiemanshu | javispedro: made using your script? |
| 23:26.28 | javispedro | my script just makes the background, remember |
| 23:26.40 | javispedro | (and chooses the color) |
| 23:26.59 | GAN900 | Karma whore |
| 23:27.08 | GAN900 | Only possible logic |
| 23:27.21 | hiemanshu | javispedro: well atleast I can use exisiting icons :D |
| 23:27.21 | javispedro | GAN900: have to say I made it before finding the nokia icon materials =) |
| 23:27.50 | GAN900 | Hehehe |
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