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| 00:09.06 | iphaRa | alright,, after some googling, turns out that gcc is too much, and i could just apt-get tcc and solve all my problems in about 100KB |
| 00:09.38 | iphaRa | which is all ineed for a smiple classroom compiler |
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| 00:37.54 | Termana | good morning |
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| 00:49.00 | MohammadAG | morning Termana |
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| 01:12.35 | MohammadAG | kinda dead in here at 4AM :p |
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| 01:14.05 | SpeedEvil | hits MohammadAG with a duck. |
| 01:14.49 | MohammadAG | yay, ducky |
| 01:15.34 | SpeedEvil | I don't think that 4AM is what quim meant by 'more tomorrow'. |
| 01:15.36 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 01:15.50 | MohammadAG | Can't sleep |
| 01:16.11 | MohammadAG | Not sure why, but this has been going on for some time lately |
| 01:16.27 | SpeedEvil | Here too. |
| 01:16.52 | MohammadAG | it's annoying |
| 01:16.59 | SpeedEvil | Sleep pattern is even more fragmented than normal. |
| 01:17.01 | MohammadAG | Imma end up being awake for 48 hours again |
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| 01:17.18 | MohammadAG | last time wasn't pleasant, I did get sociality done overnight though |
| 01:17.58 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 01:18.57 | SpeedEvil | Main problem at the moment is that I'm not sleeping integrals of 24h. :) |
| 01:19.07 | MohammadAG | tries to finish Nothing Else Matters on guitar |
| 01:19.37 | MohammadAG | main problem here is I wasted 2 hours in bed trying to sleep |
| 01:19.41 | MohammadAG | or 1 hour |
| 01:20.21 | SpeedEvil | yeah. |
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| 01:23.19 | GAN900 | lol |
| 01:23.31 | GAN900 | MohammadAG, melatonin supplements are useful. |
| 01:25.28 | MohammadAG | GAN900, mela what? |
| 01:26.12 | GAN900 | Hormone that triggers tiredness. |
| 01:26.19 | GAN900 | Helps you fall asleep |
| 01:26.19 | MohammadAG | I'm already tired |
| 01:26.26 | MohammadAG | just can't sleep :p |
| 01:26.42 | MohammadAG | too tired to do anything productive actually |
| 01:26.44 | GAN900 | Right, it'll do away with the insomnia |
| 01:27.09 | MohammadAG | heh |
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| 01:29.50 | SpeedEvil | The wikipedia page seems to paint melatonin as bringing world peace, and raising the dead. |
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| 01:32.19 | GeneralAntilles | Well, it's Wikipedia. |
| 01:32.28 | GeneralAntilles | Everybody with an axe to grind a lots of free time goes there. |
| 01:32.37 | GeneralAntilles | So it's basically an encyclopedia written by nutjobs. |
| 01:32.49 | SpeedEvil | In some areas it's useful. |
| 01:33.06 | SpeedEvil | In areas where people have strong opinions - maybe less so. |
| 01:36.33 | MohammadAG | tries sleeping again |
| 01:36.37 | MohammadAG | night, I hope |
| 01:36.42 | GeneralAntilles | 'luck |
| 01:37.14 | SpeedEvil | Good luck! |
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| 04:12.23 | divan | had a lot of sex with WeTab OBS build service.. The words build system ever and looks like almost unmaintained. |
| 04:12.54 | divan | night was soo long :) |
| 04:13.13 | divan | s/words/worst/ |
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| 04:16.50 | Ken-Young | Gee - fighting with a build service counts as sex? I'm a stud, and I didn't even know! |
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| 04:40.01 | frals | Jaffa: and the next day corporate security is knocking on my door asking for it ;) |
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| 04:47.22 | GAN900 | Jaffa, they want your N950 back? |
| 04:47.31 | GAN900 | Er, s/Jaffa/frals |
| 04:48.17 | GAN900 | rewatching season 13 of South Park reminds me that Cartman's Poker Face is probably the greatest cover ever. |
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| 05:15.12 | frals | GAN900: who knows, i guess by the time im fired none will care thou ;) |
| 05:15.35 | frals | GAN900: and mine is slightly different than the DDP ones ;( |
| 05:15.49 | GAN900 | 512MB, eh? :P |
| 05:16.16 | frals | nah |
| 05:16.29 | GAN900 | Purple? |
| 05:16.36 | frals | just says property of nokia and some other crap |
| 05:16.40 | GAN900 | Ah, yeah |
| 05:16.51 | GAN900 | Still got that RX-51 in a drawer here. |
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| 05:17.01 | GAN900 | should send it back to Peter. |
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| 05:27.59 | macmaN | hmm am i supposed to be able to import my contacts from n900 over bluétooth to n950? its not seeing the n900, while regular pairing went fine |
| 05:29.11 | petteri | so is the new terminal app on n950 any good? |
| 05:30.24 | macmaN | it looked good while i was doing apt-cache search git |
| 05:30.32 | macmaN | what is there to look out for? |
| 05:30.41 | macmaN | im really really liking the new media player |
| 05:31.06 | macmaN | it has favorites and a very nice ux flow between activities and use cases |
| 05:32.58 | frals | macmaN: n900 -> n950 contacts over bt should work fine |
| 05:33.08 | frals | macmaN: saw someone do it yesterday at the meetup |
| 05:35.24 | macmaN | hrm |
| 05:35.38 | macmaN | frals: who are you irl, are you in the meetup list? |
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| 05:41.12 | macmaN | hrm so whats wrong with my contact sync i wonder |
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| 05:45.55 | macmaN | ahh, initiating it from n900 side worked |
| 05:46.16 | macmaN | through the totally intuitive "Get Contacts" menu item in N900 Contacts menu |
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| 06:09.11 | frals | macmaN: yes ;) |
| 06:09.14 | frals | macmaN: Nick |
| 06:13.08 | macmaN | cool |
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| 07:36.47 | peetah | hi all |
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| 07:37.29 | peetah | someone can tell me how to enable/disable screen dimming and blanking with a shell command line ? |
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| 07:38.48 | peetah | the appropriate values to pass to dbus-send would be great |
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| 07:41.41 | RST38h | moo all |
| 07:42.12 | mece | RST38h, STOP! Mjolnir time! http://pics.livejournal.com/no_detective/pic/000e7ch8 |
| 07:44.15 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 07:44.19 | mece | \o |
| 07:46.31 | RST38h | Moo, Jaffa |
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| 07:47.50 | RST38h | Jaffa: I know this sounds stupid, but how do I edit the Meego Wiki page? Need to add a link to the web page |
| 07:48.11 | mece | RST38h, log in, click edit? |
| 07:48.40 | RST38h | When I click on LOG IN, it moves me directly to my account settings |
| 07:48.48 | RST38h | i.e. I appear to be logged in |
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| 07:50.04 | Termana | mece, why does he have a handbag? |
| 07:51.15 | SpeedEvil | Morning Jade. |
| 07:51.19 | Termana | (joking btw) |
| 07:51.20 | SpeedEvil | Jaffa: |
| 07:51.50 | Jaffa | RST38h: Log out. There's a bug with the credentials sharing with MediaWiki |
| 07:51.59 | Jaffa | RST38h: Log out and back in again and you should be good to go |
| 07:53.03 | mece | Termana, I believe that is his hammer, mjolnir :) |
| 07:53.23 | RST38h | Jaffa: Aye aye |
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| 08:01.53 | MohammadAG | morning |
| 08:02.20 | cloudyLights | hi MohammadAG |
| 08:02.49 | cloudyLights | MohammadAG: may I ask, why are you so involved in QT on meego now? |
| 08:03.03 | cloudyLights | what was the reason to start using QT? |
| 08:03.26 | MohammadAG | I'm involved in Qt on MeeGo? |
| 08:03.29 | cloudyLights | are you working on a specific app? |
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| 08:04.11 | cloudyLights | you seem to write here a lot regrding qt 4.7.1 |
| 08:04.14 | cloudyLights | and such |
| 08:04.36 | cloudyLights | I mean you where the one asking to switch to 4.8 in the cssu, right? |
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| 08:05.04 | MohammadAG | asking? no, I ran 4.8 for a day |
| 08:06.08 | cloudyLights | ok, so you are using qt on maemo to develop a media player - right? |
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| 08:06.23 | MohammadAG | it's on git and tmo |
| 08:06.35 | MohammadAG | right now, I don't have any projects at hand |
| 08:06.52 | cloudyLights | may I ask why did you start writing a media player in qt? |
| 08:07.07 | cloudyLights | I mean , I didnt see this here |
| 08:07.21 | MohammadAG | That was December |
| 08:07.30 | MohammadAG | http://mohammadag.xceleo.org |
| 08:07.36 | MohammadAG | find the post there |
| 08:07.48 | cloudyLights | o ok |
| 08:08.47 | cloudyLights | I am waiting for the guy that wrote pypackager to show up |
| 08:09.39 | cloudyLights | I used the netmon to log cellular data, but need to work on the logging |
| 08:10.18 | cloudyLights | I right , that when I reach the right busstation, I get the same cellid |
| 08:10.57 | cloudyLights | so my app may seek to "see" when cellids change in a known order then , alert me |
| 08:11.12 | cloudyLights | and I can leave it on all the time |
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| 08:13.56 | chem|st | now it is getting on my nerves... is there anything I can do about facebook not uploading pictures (built in share thing) |
| 08:14.21 | MohammadAG | delete the account, and readd it |
| 08:14.35 | alterego | chem|st: it stopped working for me a while ago, deleting all your accounts and recreating it worked for me. |
| 08:14.59 | MohammadAG | I should push the sociality update |
| 08:15.14 | edheldil | delete the account and NOT readding it should work too, shouldn't i_ |
| 08:15.17 | edheldil | ? |
| 08:15.29 | pabs3 | hmm, LWN editors are hinting that they would like to review the N950 |
| 08:16.22 | chem|st | alterego: 23. May I can tell... |
| 08:16.33 | chem|st | so deleting the share account.. |
| 08:16.48 | chem|st | alterego: btw how is columbus doing? |
| 08:17.17 | alterego | chem|st: not bad, been refactoring it and getting it ready to move to QML |
| 08:17.27 | alterego | Whilst working on the QML Ux |
| 08:17.41 | chem|st | *facepalm* |
| 08:17.53 | alterego | Still got quite a lot to do though |
| 08:18.22 | mece | chem|st, why the facepalm? |
| 08:18.51 | chem|st | mece: I changed my password... and the share account has nothing to do with the other accounts... |
| 08:19.08 | alterego | Heh |
| 08:19.26 | chem|st | alterego: you did awesome with the first devel, keep up the good work! |
| 08:20.48 | alterego | Thanks :) |
| 08:21.11 | chem|st | alterego: as you were asking or thinking about doing a pay-for-app, if you keep the current setup free and add some awesomeness to a pay-for I am good with it^^ was using it on the last turn to find the vessel in the harbour and to find the harbour again |
| 08:21.59 | chem|st | and did some waypoint tryouts |
| 08:22.42 | chem|st | it crashes way to often as to being reliable for proper tracking |
| 08:23.22 | macmaN | pabs3: sure why not? |
| 08:23.27 | alterego | Still crashing? |
| 08:23.34 | alterego | I thought I fixed that :) |
| 08:23.48 | alterego | Oh, maybe I didn't release the new version. |
| 08:23.55 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 08:24.25 | alterego | :) |
| 08:24.43 | pabs3 | macmaN: can you hook that up (I guess mail lwn@lwn.net)? anyways, article is here: http://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/449552/ce2407f8ccdcda48/ |
| 08:24.44 | alterego | I should be better at maintaining the new version. |
| 08:24.57 | alterego | for both m5, harmattan and meego |
| 08:25.15 | alterego | As well as supporting tablet form factor and desktop too. |
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| 08:29.20 | chem|st | FB works again |
| 08:29.47 | chem|st | alterego: don't remember any upgrades^^ |
| 08:30.06 | macmaN | pabs3: heh, i wasnt expecting a review request, but i might have a paid approach to the review as well, so i might kill two birds one stone |
| 08:30.37 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: did the SIP guy die finally? |
| 08:31.14 | macmaN | this sdk installer is pretty nice piece of work methinks |
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| 08:33.34 | pabs3 | macmaN: ok cool |
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| 08:35.13 | macmaN | pabs3: you just motivated me to make a 1-year subscription to lwn.net |
| 08:35.14 | macmaN | :) |
| 08:35.25 | pabs3 | nice :) |
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| 08:35.51 | pabs3 | thanks HP for sponsoring the Debian group subscription |
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| 08:41.09 | khertan | Morning |
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| 08:43.22 | cloudyLights | khertan! |
| 08:43.42 | cloudyLights | I need your help |
| 08:44.00 | cloudyLights | I used the netmon python code to log cellualr info |
| 08:44.11 | cloudyLights | when I ride the bus from home to work |
| 08:44.34 | cloudyLights | I see error in opening the dbus |
| 08:45.27 | khertan | i'll be back in 15 min |
| 08:45.35 | khertan | up the log and ll look |
| 08:45.43 | cloudyLights | I will paste the lines |
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| 08:49.49 | crashanddie | Wow |
| 08:49.56 | crashanddie | Dell hired some pretty bright people... |
| 08:49.59 | crashanddie | "'I wouldn't say it's perfectly indestructible, but it is pretty much indestructible,' Joe Stewart, director of malware research at Dell" |
| 08:50.26 | crashanddie | Would you say it's completely massively indestructible? No, just almost quite positively indestructible. |
| 08:51.27 | ruskie | rofl |
| 08:51.45 | SpeedEvil | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfBWds4HChI - on unbreakability (phones) |
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| 08:57.06 | cloudyLights | khertan: http://dpaste.com/561220/ |
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| 09:02.16 | cloudyLights | how can I paste more code then dpaste? |
| 09:02.21 | cloudyLights | more lines |
| 09:03.06 | khertan | cloudyLights: org.freedesktop.DBus.Introspectable isn't a interface of object : /com/nokia/phone/net |
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| 09:03.26 | khertan | cloudyLights: what are you trying to get ? |
| 09:03.28 | cloudyLights | right |
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| 09:04.12 | cloudyLights | in http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/netmon/0.9-1/ |
| 09:04.20 | cloudyLights | I downloaded the source |
| 09:04.44 | cloudyLights | then used the netmongui.py to log the cellular data |
| 09:04.57 | cloudyLights | this file is too big for dpaste |
| 09:05.18 | cloudyLights | in that file I get these errors |
| 09:05.30 | cloudyLights | but the program still works |
| 09:06.17 | cloudyLights | may I show my additions to that file/ |
| 09:06.19 | cloudyLights | ? |
| 09:06.23 | khertan | cloudyLights: what are you trying to do ? get the id of cellular towel ? |
| 09:06.44 | cloudyLights | I want to log every change in the cellular data |
| 09:06.51 | khertan | import dbus bus = dbus.SystemBus() proxy = bus.get_object("com.nokia.phone.net","/com/nokia/phone/net",False) cell_info = proxy.get_registration_status(dbus_interface="Phone.Net") print "complete cell info" cell_info print cell_info[2] |
| 09:07.00 | khertan | give you the cell towel id |
| 09:07.47 | cloudyLights | thanks |
| 09:08.23 | khertan | cloudyLights: did you read : http://wiki.maemo.org/PyMaemo/Using_Location_API |
| 09:08.33 | cloudyLights | and then I need to look at these: |
| 09:08.51 | cloudyLights | print str(time())+" mnc: "+str(mnc)+" mcc: "+str(mcc)+" cellid: "+str(cellid)+" lac: "+str(lac)+" decibel: "+str(decibel) |
| 09:08.54 | khertan | use it to get notified of change and use a dbus call for cell_info as you can't get it in python |
| 09:09.16 | cloudyLights | I mean, maybe any of these fields will change |
| 09:09.59 | cloudyLights | so I setup a dict for the values and test if any of them change from one pool to the other |
| 09:10.48 | cloudyLights | netmon uses: |
| 09:10.51 | cloudyLights | status, lac, cellid, mnc, mcc, nettype, netservices, neterror = self.cellinfo.registration_status() |
| 09:11.08 | cloudyLights | and I can keep these and verify they didnt change |
| 09:11.17 | cloudyLights | if they do change print them out |
| 09:11.20 | khertan | http://pastebin.com/fLzusntG <<< a untested example |
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| 09:12.07 | khertan | you are trying to locate yourself using the cellular information ? |
| 09:12.10 | cloudyLights | as I get all the info using dbus , why would I need libcbsms? |
| 09:12.17 | cloudyLights | yes |
| 09:12.35 | khertan | so you just need cellular towel id ? right ? |
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| 09:14.22 | cloudyLights | looks ok |
| 09:14.40 | cloudyLights | I need to track any cellular data change |
| 09:14.56 | cloudyLights | then figure out what fields help me know I arrived |
| 09:15.08 | cloudyLights | cellid is most helpfull |
| 09:15.21 | cloudyLights | but lac may also be used |
| 09:16.18 | khertan | cloudyLights: hum ... lac isn't available for wcdma |
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| 09:17.03 | cloudyLights | <khertan> I am soon going to eat , but I will be back |
| 09:17.25 | cloudyLights | I basiclly need to run that line: |
| 09:17.32 | cloudyLights | status, lac, cellid, mnc, mcc, nettype, netservices, neterror = self.cellinfo.registration_status() |
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| 09:23.00 | cloudyLights | <khertan> this cellinfo is: http://dpaste.com/561227/ |
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| 09:37.21 | lardman | morning |
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| 09:43.03 | RST38h | moo lardman |
| 09:43.50 | lardman | hi RST38h |
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| 09:58.31 | alterego | "We hope you enjoy your flight!" ? |
| 09:58.33 | alterego | Eh? |
| 09:59.29 | MohammadAG | Also wtf'd at that |
| 09:59.50 | MohammadAG | I'm guessing he copied an email about a conference invitation and just replaced parts of it |
| 10:00.19 | alterego | Hah, maybe. |
| 10:00.26 | Termana | alterego, what's that from? |
| 10:01.43 | Jaffa | alterego: I raised an eyebrow, but assumed it was a sort of "it's a bit like a booking confirmation" |
| 10:01.46 | frals | so MohammadAG you got one anyway? |
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| 10:02.21 | MohammadAG | frals, not yet, no |
| 10:03.45 | alterego | Yeah |
| 10:04.26 | alterego | Anyway, I don't want to see a template email, I want to see the damn email :) |
| 10:05.24 | lardman | likewise |
| 10:05.33 | Jaffa | alterego: :) |
| 10:05.50 | Jaffa | has the DDP page open, nothing on it for him yet :-( |
| 10:06.08 | lardman | Jaffa: what do you mean? |
| 10:06.18 | lardman | I saw your name on the list, what else are you looking at? |
| 10:06.28 | alterego | creates a wiki page in preparation |
| 10:07.06 | MohammadAG | I don't want to see any email, I want my name on the list :P |
| 10:07.47 | Ken-Young | Can't anyone edit that page and put their name on it? |
| 10:07.59 | lardman | yeah that was what I was thinking |
| 10:08.07 | Termana | lol |
| 10:08.08 | lardman | or some malicious editing to get people's hopes up |
| 10:08.20 | lardman | which would not be nice |
| 10:08.30 | Termana | Something tells me Quim probably has a private list and he isn't reliant on that list |
| 10:09.16 | Ken-Young | I'm sure that's true. But the page is an invitation to mischief. |
| 10:09.20 | Jaffa | lardman: There's a URL for the Forum Nokia Device Distribution Programme. It was used for N900 DDP (IIRC) |
| 10:09.24 | Termana | Plus, you would be able to see the douchebag that did it |
| 10:09.33 | Termana | (in the edit history) |
| 10:09.33 | lardman | Jaffa: ah ok |
| 10:10.04 | Jaffa | lardman: https://forumnokia.secure.force.com/apex/DDP - I've no idea if that'll be used to actually distribute the devices, but I'm guessing it will be. |
| 10:10.50 | lardman | need a premium developer account for that? |
| 10:11.28 | Jaffa | lardman: No idea. Does it open with your account? |
| 10:11.39 | lardman | nope, says I need to register for a premium one |
| 10:11.48 | Jaffa | Ah |
| 10:12.01 | Jaffa | Maybe they won't use that, then. Or there's still work to do. Or ... |
| 10:12.10 | lardman | no worries, I'll wait and see |
| 10:12.37 | Ken-Young | It's like waiting for Willie Wonka's Golden Ticket. |
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| 10:12.49 | lardman | perhaps I should have registered for a premium one, or there are two layers or something - the whole Nokia developer registration process was rather confusing about what I was registering for |
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| 10:15.05 | MoonTiger | hey guys |
| 10:15.21 | MoonTiger | i just downloaded the latest offline installer for the qt sdk but it has no maemo options |
| 10:15.44 | MohammadAG | you're not the only one I've heard that from |
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| 10:15.52 | MoonTiger | really?? |
| 10:15.54 | MohammadAG | I wonder if they dropped support for it |
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| 10:16.16 | MoonTiger | how the f*** am i supposed to get qt 4.7.3 for qtcreator then? right now it builds for 4.6.2 |
| 10:16.23 | MoonTiger | :| |
| 10:16.45 | MohammadAG | 4.7.3? 4.7 is the last official version |
| 10:17.01 | MoonTiger | well right now my qtcreator builds for 4.6.2 |
| 10:17.05 | MoonTiger | :/ |
| 10:17.54 | alterego | Did you get it from developer.nokia.com/swipe? |
| 10:17.58 | alterego | Or qt.nokia.com? |
| 10:18.05 | MoonTiger | qt.nokia.com |
| 10:18.10 | alterego | That's why then ;) |
| 10:18.52 | MoonTiger | alterego, i am no developing for the n9 |
| 10:20.05 | MoonTiger | alterego, does that have the 4.7 for maemo in it too? |
| 10:21.28 | MoonTiger | ahhhh i see it does .... thnx :) |
| 10:21.34 | MoonTiger | typical nokia confusion |
| 10:21.46 | cloudyLights | lardman: hi |
| 10:22.07 | lardman | hi cloudyLights |
| 10:22.09 | cloudyLights | <khertan> ok, I used this http://dpaste.com/561253/ |
| 10:22.31 | MohammadAG | technically you can install two SDKs, you'll end up with one creator and more targets |
| 10:22.55 | cloudyLights | so I am looking for the cellid change and loging it |
| 10:23.09 | cloudyLights | ok, I am thinking to do this: |
| 10:23.28 | cloudyLights | when you install this app it will alwas log the last four cellids |
| 10:24.03 | cloudyLights | when you decide to MARK a bus station , is when you are at that location |
| 10:24.40 | cloudyLights | I will then have the previous cell ids and can establish the pattern |
| 10:24.55 | cloudyLights | when this pattern happens again- I will alert the user |
| 10:24.57 | cloudyLights | ok? |
| 10:24.59 | lardman | cloudyLights: openbmap will give you lat lon lookups for cellids |
| 10:25.17 | cloudyLights | In Israel? |
| 10:25.19 | lardman | I'd be tempted to allow the user to grab some data from there and store it |
| 10:25.30 | lardman | cloudyLights: assuming Israelis have added to it |
| 10:26.11 | lardman | in any case we should go for a generic library/daemon from which to obtain the data so that more than one app can use it |
| 10:26.24 | cloudyLights | so this kind of program , will always run |
| 10:26.29 | Jaffa | has just got an email |
| 10:26.38 | Jaffa | "A Nokia N950 is waiting for you" |
| 10:26.40 | cloudyLights | and will allways alert on that petern |
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| 10:26.50 | macmaN | Jaffa ftw |
| 10:27.05 | cloudyLights | how much$$ ? |
| 10:27.11 | cloudyLights | >600$? |
| 10:27.27 | lardman | cloudyLights: possibly - I see something along the lines of if you have a net connection then download data for the present location and thereabouts; if you don't have a connection but the gps is on, log the current location and the cellid |
| 10:27.37 | MohammadAG | it's a dev device, free until the loan ends |
| 10:28.38 | lardman | cloudyLights: so this is the location portion, Proximus will have an api that you can use to wake your app when you get near a given location, once I finish writing it |
| 10:29.35 | vi__ | dev device == no firmware update. |
| 10:29.38 | vi__ | ever. |
| 10:30.01 | MohammadAG | I'd prove you wrong, if I had a device :p |
| 10:30.13 | Termana | Jaffa, lies! |
| 10:30.15 | Jaffa | Order placed :-) |
| 10:30.23 | MohammadAG | anyway, they're giving the option to trade it for an N9 when the loan is done |
| 10:30.29 | MohammadAG | Jaffa, one day shipping? :P |
| 10:30.35 | Jaffa | vi__: It runs the same firmware as the N9 |
| 10:30.39 | Jaffa | (we think) |
| 10:30.44 | Jaffa | MohammadAG: "Approximate delivery time: one week" |
| 10:30.46 | vi__ | Jaffa: No chance |
| 10:31.03 | lardman | repeatedly hits the "Check mail" button |
| 10:31.03 | DocScrutinizer | chem|st> DocScrutinizer: did the SIP guy die finally? || Inbound worked, and then I had some other duties |
| 10:31.09 | X-Fade | Jaffa: It runs developer edition software. |
| 10:31.19 | Jaffa | X-Fade: Ah, good point |
| 10:31.26 | Termana | Jaffa, they aren't sending the emails out one by one are they? Surely they would do something automatic... |
| 10:31.35 | lardman | apparently there's new software in the offing for it though isn't there? |
| 10:31.41 | MohammadAG | Termana, you never know *insert troll face* |
| 10:31.52 | DocScrutinizer | soooo, anything new and exciting? |
| 10:32.10 | vi__ | DocScrutinizer: greece is about to default. |
| 10:32.22 | DocScrutinizer | that's not ne |
| 10:32.23 | DocScrutinizer | w |
| 10:32.26 | lardman | ah no, online firmware is older than the on-device firmware |
| 10:32.30 | vi__ | DocScrutinizer: Edinburgh tram system has just been cancelled at a cost of 700million pounds |
| 10:32.40 | DocScrutinizer | hah |
| 10:32.41 | alterego | Yeah, that's pretty shit isn't it .. |
| 10:32.48 | MohammadAG | lardman, mmcblks, you can dd them |
| 10:32.57 | MohammadAG | I hope someone does that |
| 10:33.04 | vi__ | alterego: what the firmware or the trams? |
| 10:33.39 | lardman | MohammadAG: sure, when I get one |
| 10:33.40 | MohammadAG | run some basic initrd, dd if=/dev/mmcblk0 of=flashingImage |
| 10:33.51 | alterego | vi__: firmware |
| 10:35.22 | Jaffa | Termana: They already know my developer.nokia.com ID, so I've skipped a step |
| 10:36.01 | Termana | Jaffa, ah ok. |
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| 10:37.14 | cloudyLights | lardman: i will try to see this tommorow morning |
| 10:37.23 | alterego | Heh, the web browser as an "add to apps" feature that basically does what 99% of iPhone apps do built in :D |
| 10:37.44 | cloudyLights | but I agree that this kind of deamon is very usefull in day to day life |
| 10:38.09 | Jaffa | alterego: Combine that with something like Oculo and it'd be very cool |
| 10:38.29 | cloudyLights | for example "remind me to send this mail when near my post" |
| 10:38.57 | cloudyLights | btw, as buses use gps now, to announce the next station, they can offer an api |
| 10:40.03 | vi__ | where is the schedule for alarmd stored? |
| 10:40.05 | DocScrutinizer | you'd think meanwhile somebody would've bothered to turn http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/Community_device_program/Nokia#Results into a proper 1) 2) 3) table/list |
| 10:41.12 | DocScrutinizer | obviously no mediawiki cracks interested in that page |
| 10:42.31 | Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: qgil said he'd find a not-table easier to work with and ppl to add to |
| 10:42.50 | DocScrutinizer | *cough* |
| 10:44.15 | Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: Well, indeed. |
| 10:44.27 | DocScrutinizer | isn't quim a It dude? wouldn't he think about semantic tagging a bit? mandatory "Name: ", so you could still wc -l somehow |
| 10:44.40 | DocScrutinizer | IT* |
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| 10:45.23 | DocScrutinizer | meh |
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| 10:45.31 | alterego | Jaffa: you got your email? |
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| 10:46.15 | Jaffa | alterego: I skipped the one about "send your developer.nokia.com ID to *******@nokia.com" as they already had it. So I moved on to the next bit, where they've put it into your account as available through the DDP |
| 10:46.29 | alterego | Oh! |
| 10:46.42 | Jaffa | alterego: I keep pressing "refresh" on the order status to see if it changes to "Shipped", but I suspect they'll do batches of devices out to DHL |
| 10:46.44 | alterego | So I should be able to order mine with me developer.nokia.com account? |
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| 10:47.24 | Jaffa | alterego: I got an email from no.reply-developer@nokia.com, subject "A Nokia N950 is waiting for you" |
| 10:47.28 | vi__ | arn't you bothered that the n950 is the MOST dead ended of dead ends? |
| 10:47.52 | alterego | Jaffa: oh, :( |
| 10:48.07 | alterego | Jaffa: was your nokia developer account linked to your submnission? |
| 10:48.12 | Jaffa | vi__: Well, no, cos a) it's a new toy which meets my requirements; b) it's free (loan); c) it's faster than qemu for developing apps for the N9 |
| 10:48.36 | Jaffa | alterego: No. I think they just know it. |
| 10:49.11 | lardman | hmm, still no email, a watched email account never receives an email from Nokia, or was that kettles? |
| 10:49.42 | Ken-Young | No email for me, either. |
| 10:50.00 | lardman | Is your surname Youg? |
| 10:50.03 | lardman | Young even |
| 10:50.09 | Ken-Young | Yup |
| 10:50.30 | lardman | Mine is Pickering, so perhaps they've made it to F(legg) but no further |
| 10:50.41 | DocScrutinizer | hehehe |
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| 10:51.05 | DocScrutinizer | I hope quim is at least using c&p for sending the mails |
| 10:52.16 | DocScrutinizer | otherwise, if I had to send 200 mails, that'd take ~200h |
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| 10:52.57 | khertan | 's email account refresh rate exceeded |
| 10:53.10 | DocScrutinizer | but my mailer allows multiple "to:", even multiple "BCC:" ;-) |
| 10:53.44 | chem|st | hmm password recovery seems to not send mails to my usual account... |
| 10:54.06 | MohammadAG | everyone has a different ID |
| 10:54.16 | MohammadAG | tbh I'd script it |
| 10:54.39 | DocScrutinizer | mail ftw |
| 10:54.53 | DocScrutinizer | man mail |
| 10:55.27 | Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: I didn't get an email from Quim |
| 10:55.39 | DocScrutinizer | thought as much |
| 10:57.19 | DocScrutinizer | ok, cleaned out my cookies so the "session-end" meego.com cookie didn't stop me from logging in anymore ;-P |
| 10:57.58 | DocScrutinizer | ...til next logout I guess XP |
| 10:58.38 | lardman | hmm still no Nokia email but I did finally get paid £340 in expenses which was a nice email to see too |
| 11:00.45 | DocScrutinizer | mails from nokia tend to end in my spamfilter regularly, as they manage to mess up quite a lot with their mail accounts and mailers. No proper RDNS or sth, meh I forgot what my sysadmin explained to me between the 50% swearwords |
| 11:01.06 | lardman | I think I have all spam scripts turned off |
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| 11:02.07 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, Nokia on my *whitelist* now :-o |
| 11:03.59 | DocScrutinizer | before my sysadmin did that, the mails were not even delivered, so no trace of them even in spam-bin |
| 11:04.08 | lardman | yeah that's my worry too |
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| 11:06.10 | DocScrutinizer | Nokia on Openmoko's mail-whitelist - kinda funny |
| 11:09.17 | cehteh | mhm .. we all should thank elop .. in about 1.5 years nokia will be a penny stock and we can buy it up :P |
| 11:09.43 | vi__ | cehteh: Im not really into investing in wellie boots |
| 11:09.47 | cehteh | oh damn .. i forgot, thats the secret plan from M$ for acquireing it |
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| 11:19.34 | alterego | I think I'm gonna do an N950 unboxing (my first unboxing) and I'm going to say, "Yeah, it runs Maemo6 Harmattan" |
| 11:19.42 | alterego | "Oh, I mean MeeGo 1.2 Harmattan" |
| 11:19.49 | trx | lol |
| 11:20.01 | alterego | Oh that boot up screen is quite nice. |
| 11:20.15 | mgedmin | is green with envy |
| 11:20.47 | lardman | re magnetic field lines, is there a readily available model that can also give a latitude? |
| 11:20.52 | DocScrutinizer | mgedmin: hi :-) |
| 11:21.01 | lardman | I'm thinking the measurement accuracy might need to be quite high for this |
| 11:21.08 | mgedmin | waves vaguely |
| 11:21.13 | lardman | s/latitude/longitude |
| 11:21.18 | lardman | hi mgedmin |
| 11:21.19 | macmaN | alterego: you gonna hd-record the unboxing? |
| 11:21.23 | DocScrutinizer | mgedmin: do you still run your own irc logger? |
| 11:21.26 | mgedmin | yes |
| 11:21.28 | alterego | macmaN: yup, with the N8 |
| 11:21.33 | macmaN | word up |
| 11:21.34 | alterego | chuckles |
| 11:21.43 | DocScrutinizer | mgedmin: does it still log #openmoko-cdevel? |
| 11:21.44 | mgedmin | and it still doesn't have sane text search |
| 11:21.48 | alterego | Actually, I don't even know if I'll get the N8 in time .. |
| 11:22.00 | mgedmin | did it ever log #openmoko-cdevel? I don't think so |
| 11:22.11 | mgedmin | if you don't see povbot in the channel, then it's not logging anything |
| 11:22.19 | DocScrutinizer | aah |
| 11:22.40 | DocScrutinizer | so let's invite the sucker ;-) |
| 11:22.49 | mgedmin | sure, I can set it up |
| 11:23.05 | mgedmin | while cursing supybot's pain-in-the-posterior configuration interface all the time |
| 11:24.20 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, strange, I bet I've seen nicely formatted (courtesy mgedmin) chanlogs of om-cdevel once |
| 11:24.36 | DocScrutinizer | of course povbot won't simply join |
| 11:24.40 | DocScrutinizer | on invite |
| 11:24.51 | mgedmin | no, you have to talk to it, give it an admin password, etc. |
| 11:25.00 | DocScrutinizer | sure |
| 11:26.45 | alterego | We should get "I have an N950" tshirt, with the troll face on it. |
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| 11:27.31 | jaska | good, so people know who to rob :) |
| 11:27.46 | MohammadAG | FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU- :P |
| 11:28.42 | alterego | jaska: sure, but I wont be taking the N950 out of the house, I'll be carrying around an N8 :P |
| 11:28.48 | MohammadAG | starts printing I have no N950 shirts http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/12/120905/1818742-fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu_super.gif |
| 11:29.01 | alterego | :) |
| 11:29.10 | jaska | alterego: well, then we can take hostages and demand n950s :) |
| 11:29.11 | FredrIQ|n900 | too bad touch-hold isn't emulating right click, it just.. well, does function that way |
| 11:29.24 | MohammadAG | jaska, cambridge UK, know anyone who lives there? :P |
| 11:29.36 | jaska | not offhand |
| 11:29.38 | FredrIQ|n900 | as context menus @computer doesn't open w/X forwarding and applications |
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| 11:30.16 | FredrIQ|n900 | i would prefer it emulating right click completly |
| 11:30.40 | alterego | o/ |
| 11:30.44 | alterego | \o/ |
| 11:30.47 | alterego | I live there! |
| 11:30.49 | alterego | \o/ |
| 11:32.42 | MohammadAG | alterego, you're the target |
| 11:32.49 | Venemo | so, has anyone received their N950 e-mails yet? |
| 11:33.12 | MohammadAG | Jaffa |
| 11:33.18 | alterego | No one has |
| 11:33.34 | crashanddie | I thought a few people had? |
| 11:33.34 | alterego | Jaffa's submission is a special case |
| 11:33.44 | crashanddie | Khertan, Anidel, etc. |
| 11:33.46 | trx | why is it taking so long :/ |
| 11:33.48 | alterego | He had his developer nokia account setup right, obviously .. |
| 11:33.51 | MohammadAG | crashanddie, helsinki meet up, all attendees got one |
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| 11:33.56 | crashanddie | Oh, ok. |
| 11:34.10 | MohammadAG | As well as Nokia Employees |
| 11:34.11 | crashanddie | Wow, didn't even know there was a Helsinki meetup |
| 11:34.18 | crashanddie | When? |
| 11:34.20 | MohammadAG | they had one for some time, probably since November |
| 11:34.27 | alterego | Yesterday |
| 11:34.34 | crashanddie | Fairy nuff. |
| 11:34.53 | crashanddie | Well, good for them, I guess |
| 11:35.03 | crashanddie | I'm just not impressed anymore. |
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| 11:36.16 | trx | there is like 1% chance that i will get n950 and i keep checking my mail |
| 11:36.19 | Venemo | I also have a developer.nokia.com accound. it turns out that I've had it since 2007 (same as forum nokia and ovi account) |
| 11:36.22 | trx | that sucks :) |
| 11:36.29 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: november sounds correct, given date of http://www.engadget.com/photos/nokias-qwerty-slidin-n9-shows-up-in-the-wilds-of-china/#3277333 |
| 11:37.20 | lardman | so that's not going to happen again I guess |
| 11:39.04 | khertan | crashanddie: ? |
| 11:39.32 | khertan | crashanddie: 'lu |
| 11:39.37 | crashanddie | yo |
| 11:39.53 | MohammadAG | khertan, did you think of a solution for a proper on screen keyboard for KhtEditor? |
| 11:40.03 | khertan | crashanddie: nope still waiting email. |
| 11:40.22 | khertan | MohammadAG: a proper ? the native one is so bad ? |
| 11:40.50 | khertan | MohammadAG: didn't look too bad in harmattan sdk |
| 11:41.15 | MohammadAG | I killed MInputMethod, so no idea :P |
| 11:41.40 | khertan | MohammadAG: but yes i ll need to found a way to close it |
| 11:41.55 | khertan | as when it s open you can t close it |
| 11:42.13 | MohammadAG | khertan, just make the QTextEdit lose focus |
| 11:42.27 | khertan | same for windows i ven't found how to close it on sb |
| 11:42.38 | khertan | MohammadAG: yep but button take place |
| 11:42.48 | lardman | now are Nokia email addresses formatted? first.last@nokia.com? |
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| 11:42.55 | khertan | so i ll probably need to do a gesture |
| 11:43.55 | X-Fade | khertan: You don't close windows. |
| 11:44.05 | X-Fade | khertan: You just swipe away. |
| 11:44.39 | khertan | X-Fade: yep or swipe away them |
| 11:44.40 | khertan | :) |
| 11:45.06 | MohammadAG | lardman, yes |
| 11:45.19 | lardman | thanks MohammadAG |
| 11:46.11 | khertan | X-Fade: but i ven't never been able to swipe them away. It s working on other app but not KhtEditor ... so maybe it s due to plain qt |
| 11:47.51 | X-Fade | khertan: That should not matter. I can swipe away a plain qt app. |
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| 11:50.24 | MohammadAG | swiping is done on the window manager/compositor level, you can swipe away any app |
| 11:50.26 | khertan | X-Fade: i should probably do some more quake live game to improve mouse dexterity for swiping windows in xephyr ... i used too much my n900 ... :) |
| 11:50.34 | alterego | I hope this works with the N9/50 http://conversations.nokia.com/2011/06/21/nokia-steps-it-up-a-gear-with-new-accessories/nokia-bluetooth-stereo-headset-bh-111_black_3/ |
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| 11:50.55 | DocScrutinizer | mumbles about "close xchat via menu... pfff" |
| 11:50.57 | thresh | hi. does anyone know of google+ app for maemo5? |
| 11:51.17 | alterego | It's a bluetooth headset unit, where you can plug in your own headphones. |
| 11:51.18 | X-Fade | alterego: my bh-214 works at least. |
| 11:51.21 | alterego | Wonder how it charges. |
| 11:51.25 | khertan | thresh: dev need an invite before :) |
| 11:51.29 | alterego | X-Fade: does it have media keys? That's more important to me :D |
| 11:51.31 | Venemo | Jaffa, ping |
| 11:51.41 | thresh | khertan: hehe I don't have invites yet sorry :( |
| 11:51.47 | khertan | thresh: :) |
| 11:51.49 | DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: does that imply you can not close apps, just like idiotic windows phones? |
| 11:52.03 | X-Fade | alterego: Start stop, volume? |
| 11:52.10 | MohammadAG | I have an invite, it says I have to be 18+ to use it |
| 11:52.22 | alterego | X-Fade: yeah, fwd/prev too? |
| 11:52.30 | X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: No, you can close them if you really want too. |
| 11:52.31 | khertan | DocScrutinizer: i remember someone saying there will be a gesture for closing |
| 11:52.33 | alterego | Track skipping and pause/play are my main functions |
| 11:52.43 | alterego | I was pissed with the N900 didn't work with Nokia headset remotes :/ |
| 11:52.47 | Termana | DocScrutinizer: on the N9/N950? You can close apps on the grid |
| 11:53.05 | DocScrutinizer | whatever that means |
| 11:53.14 | Termana | The open applications view |
| 11:53.17 | alterego | DocScrutinizer: tap & hold |
| 11:53.21 | alterego | Then press the x |
| 11:53.29 | alterego | It's kinda similar to removing widgets on Fremantle desktop. |
| 11:53.31 | DocScrutinizer | aah k |
| 11:53.52 | alterego | Except tap and hold, rather than press and then press the gear icon |
| 11:54.16 | alterego | I've just thought what I'd really like out of the application switcher/view |
| 11:54.17 | X-Fade | alterego: Yeah, skipping works fine. |
| 11:54.22 | alterego | X-Fade: awesome :) |
| 11:54.29 | alterego | I'll be ordering something like that then |
| 11:54.33 | X-Fade | alterego: And play/pause too of course. |
| 11:54.53 | frals | swipe down to close |
| 11:54.56 | alterego | I'd like to scrap the "most recent app is first" in the app lister. |
| 11:55.04 | alterego | And I'd like to make them movable |
| 11:55.09 | alterego | So I can drag them around in the grid |
| 11:55.13 | X-Fade | frals: Ssssh :) |
| 11:55.53 | alterego | So, I'd like to be able to organise the "windows" how I want them to be organised and not have the automatic most recent stack like behaviour |
| 11:56.05 | Venemo | alterego ++ |
| 11:56.27 | frals | i thought it would bother me, but it doesnt so far really |
| 11:56.30 | alterego | adds idea to his wiki |
| 11:56.57 | alterego | frals: what would bother you? The slightly more fiddly app closing? |
| 11:57.00 | alterego | Or the organisation? |
| 11:57.09 | frals | the recent goes first |
| 11:57.20 | X-Fade | To be honest, I have 20 apps open and I don't notice a thing. |
| 11:57.22 | frals | app closing is not fiddly with swipe down ;) |
| 11:57.46 | alterego | frals: I'm not saying it'd annoy me, I think I'd just like to be able to organise them myself. |
| 11:58.01 | frals | alterego: at least you can organise the launcher ;D |
| 11:58.02 | alterego | If we really can have all these live apps open, then sure, I'd like it to be like a dashboard ;) |
| 11:58.06 | alterego | Heh |
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| 11:59.11 | X-Fade | alterego: You can pinch. |
| 11:59.18 | alterego | X-Fade: not the same :P |
| 11:59.19 | X-Fade | alterego: So more fit on your screen :) |
| 11:59.30 | alterego | I mean properly organising |
| 11:59.35 | alterego | Like the app launcher grid |
| 11:59.48 | X-Fade | alterego: Ah, like old times :) |
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| 12:00.22 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: hi |
| 12:00.28 | javispedro | hi there |
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| 12:02.26 | macmaN | i am also just now wondering about app closing |
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| 12:02.46 | macmaN | i am pretty sure i saw a setting on N9 that said either up or down swipe closes the app |
| 12:02.52 | macmaN | there is no such setting that i can see in n950 |
| 12:02.57 | Venemo | Jaffa, http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?p=24198#post24198 |
| 12:03.05 | macmaN | task switcher becomes hella cluttered quickly |
| 12:03.19 | DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: (20 apps open, no thing) regarding resources? that's not the point. xchat will happily continue eating data traffic volume when running in background, so there *is* a diff between closing and swiping away |
| 12:03.25 | frals | macmaN: you dont have it in your build yet |
| 12:03.27 | javispedro | so, what's new and interesting? |
| 12:03.34 | javispedro | MohammadAG: DocScrutinizer: any of you on the n950 list? |
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| 12:03.42 | macmaN | frals: yeah thats what im thinking |
| 12:03.44 | X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: Just tap and hold and hit the X then. |
| 12:03.45 | DocScrutinizer | nah, list didn't change |
| 12:03.48 | macmaN | good to know its coming |
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| 12:03.59 | DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: yup, fair enough |
| 12:04.02 | MohammadAG | javispedro, wanna start us a channel? |
| 12:04.07 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: hi |
| 12:04.10 | mece | Jaffa, ping |
| 12:04.55 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:04.58 | javispedro | MohammadAG: there will be no need. I'm counting on that ;) |
| 12:05.06 | lardman | Just got my email |
| 12:05.21 | javispedro | oh. |
| 12:05.28 | khertan | click click click click ... refresh rate exceeded ... |
| 12:05.32 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, more like ##IdonthaveanN950butactuallywantedone |
| 12:05.58 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: take lessons in sarcasm :-) |
| 12:06.00 | javispedro | nearly hits on the "add qgil to google+ link" |
| 12:06.07 | khertan | :) |
| 12:06.50 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, wasn't being sarcastic |
| 12:07.06 | MohammadAG | Google+ meh |
| 12:07.23 | DocScrutinizer | honestly, probably you are too young for good sarcasm ;-) |
| 12:07.24 | MohammadAG | opens the invite, sees This feature is not available for your account You must be over a certain age to use this feature. |
| 12:07.27 | alterego | Just got my wmail |
| 12:07.29 | alterego | ~email |
| 12:07.30 | infobot | well, email is the lifeblood of the pornternet |
| 12:07.48 | khertan | .... WOUHOU ! Same here |
| 12:07.51 | javispedro | MohammadAG: I hate Google+, but I made a bet with someone a few months ago Facebook would end in less than three years. |
| 12:08.05 | javispedro | MohammadAG: so I _really_ need Google+ to win for me to win the bet. |
| 12:08.13 | lardman | almost missed the fact he needs to reply to the email |
| 12:08.29 | robbiethe1st | I'd use Google+ if it didn't want me to give a public profile. I don't *want* people knowing I liked something, just that someone did |
| 12:09.17 | javispedro | ok, time to fire up that password sniffer so I can get all those n950s while people log in |
| 12:09.26 | MohammadAG | checks his email, maybe this was just a joke |
| 12:09.33 | MohammadAG | realizes he's living in denial |
| 12:09.43 | DocScrutinizer | o.O |
| 12:10.13 | DocScrutinizer | is tempted to set up FF's "watch this page for chages" feature |
| 12:10.19 | DocScrutinizer | changes even |
| 12:10.27 | khertan | You have an existing contact, please disassociate from developer account page before creating a new account. < ? |
| 12:10.40 | javispedro | NO, NO, NO!! |
| 12:10.42 | javispedro | NOOOOOOOOOOOOoo |
| 12:10.50 | javispedro | launchpad stuff involved. |
| 12:11.08 | khertan | ? |
| 12:11.09 | DocScrutinizer | WTF? |
| 12:11.21 | javispedro | I friggin need the launchpad account |
| 12:11.27 | javispedro | so it's as good as dead for me =) |
| 12:11.36 | DocScrutinizer | "please create a launchpad account to receive your N950" ? |
| 12:11.41 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: mostly. |
| 12:11.50 | DocScrutinizer | FSCK! |
| 12:11.53 | Jaffa | mece: pong |
| 12:12.00 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: you have one, why you are complaining! |
| 12:12.08 | DocScrutinizer | for you |
| 12:12.13 | Jaffa | 'Status: "Device sent to customer"' |
| 12:12.14 | alterego | I have no idea what I'm doing .. |
| 12:12.15 | DocScrutinizer | I won't need mine anyway |
| 12:12.15 | Jaffa | :-D |
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| 12:12.55 | Jaffa | MohammadAG: Are you 18 yet? Actually, I think you are ;-) |
| 12:13.11 | javispedro | goes for lunch. Then, I will _MASH THE SEND WEBSITE FEEDBACK BUTTON_ |
| 12:13.29 | DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: N950 comes with p0rn preloaded? |
| 12:13.29 | MohammadAG | javispedro, what's launchpad? |
| 12:13.29 | khertan | Nokia Developer Id is the login ? |
| 12:13.32 | mece | Jaffa, I was wondering where you got that info about the dev device, but I saw the email now. Only problem is I'm already in some stuff here. |
| 12:14.05 | MohammadAG | Jaffa, 17 |
| 12:14.06 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: devel.nokia.com special class of users |
| 12:14.12 | lardman | waits for the launchpad accepted email |
| 12:14.17 | Jaffa | MohammadAG: I think you're wrong. |
| 12:14.25 | MohammadAG | About? |
| 12:14.34 | Jaffa | MohammadAG: Your age. I'm pretty sure you're 18. |
| 12:14.39 | mece | Jaffa, conveniently none of the three steps described in the mail work. |
| 12:14.41 | Jaffa | MohammadAG: I'm also pretty certain they don't check ID |
| 12:14.48 | lardman | MohammadAG: definitely, don;t you remember the party earlier in the year? |
| 12:15.03 | DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: he's definitely 18, he just entered a hoax birthdate |
| 12:15.10 | lardman | typo, easy to do |
| 12:15.17 | mece | ah wait. I need to send that Account ID? |
| 12:15.21 | Jaffa | MohammadAG: We know how vain you are, but really - you're not fooling anyone |
| 12:15.36 | MohammadAG | hehe |
| 12:15.43 | lardman | just saying you're under 18 doesn't stop the gray hairs you know ;) |
| 12:15.48 | Jaffa | Most of us wait until we've hit 30 before saying we're younger than we actually are. |
| 12:15.51 | MohammadAG | I'm actually 28 |
| 12:16.14 | jonwil | Who was it that suggested that we should make the date-time picker for the date time control panel better? |
| 12:16.17 | MohammadAG | nah, google+ still not working :p |
| 12:16.38 | DocScrutinizer | jonwil: that happened to be me |
| 12:16.44 | Jaffa | jonwil: DocScrutinizer suggested it was shit. I suggested the Harmattan one is shiny |
| 12:17.11 | DocScrutinizer | time for 12648430 â |
| 12:19.09 | khertan | pfffff i understand nothing on nokia developper website |
| 12:19.15 | khertan | there is account par page ? |
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| 12:20.03 | mece | khertan, I agree it's super confusing. |
| 12:20.32 | SpeedEvil | lardman: Congrats! |
| 12:20.42 | lardman | SpeedEvil: thanks |
| 12:20.44 | mece | I sent qgil the stuff I found under https://www.developer.nokia.com/Profile/premium_profile.xhtml |
| 12:20.53 | mece | there's Account ID and Account name. |
| 12:21.11 | jonwil | well the way to make those widgets better is to bring Libhildon1 into the CSSU and improve that |
| 12:21.12 | lardman | SpeedEvil: did you see my question up above about the magnetic field lines and whether the model gives you any chance of a longitude fix too? |
| 12:21.27 | khertan | mece: !!! Thx ... i wasn't able to found it :) |
| 12:21.31 | SpeedEvil | lardman: I diddn't. However. |
| 12:21.41 | lardman | well that's the question basically :) |
| 12:21.42 | mece | khertan, I'm not sure that's the thing he wants tho, mind you. But I think so. |
| 12:21.53 | Jaffa | One thing I noticed on the order page. The "quantity" defaults to one, but is a drop-down... didn't bother checking what the other options were |
| 12:22.09 | khertan | mece: it s look like |
| 12:22.15 | DocScrutinizer | lardman: longitude only via astrological means |
| 12:22.16 | SpeedEvil | lardman: The phone gives you a direction of the magnetic field vector. If you're in the UK - for example - this will be an arrow pointing up and north. |
| 12:22.41 | mece | Gaddamn, I'm all giddy. How the hell did you get a reply so fast Jaffa? |
| 12:22.47 | mece | does the harmattan dance |
| 12:22.48 | SpeedEvil | lardman: You with the accellerometer can work out the angle between these and 'down' apply some maths ang get latitude. |
| 12:22.56 | lardman | yeah don;t worry I get that, but yesterday someone was talking about a model for the field line directions and it taking up some non-trivial amount of space |
| 12:23.00 | DocScrutinizer | lardman: magnetic sensor can only give you clue about latitude |
| 12:23.09 | SpeedEvil | lardman: They were wrong. |
| 12:23.14 | Jaffa | mece: They already had my Nokia Developer Professional/Launchpad/whatever account, and knew the details |
| 12:23.18 | SpeedEvil | lardman: It's a few hundred bytes of spherical harmonics |
| 12:23.18 | lardman | ok fine, that's what I thought |
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| 12:23.35 | mece | Jaffa, ah. I see. |
| 12:23.40 | SpeedEvil | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Magnetic_Model |
| 12:23.52 | lardman | so add in a MCC country code and it will give you a rough fix too, all good |
| 12:24.10 | SpeedEvil | a fix on latitude only. |
| 12:24.25 | Jaffa | SpeedEvil: And within the borders of the country a range of longtitudes ;-) |
| 12:24.36 | lardman | yes, but MCC will give you a rough fix on longitude as on its own the latitude isn't much use |
| 12:24.38 | Jaffa | The contours of every country might be a bit large ;-) |
| 12:24.47 | SpeedEvil | You could add any observable extraatmospheric object and get a fix on position. |
| 12:25.04 | DocScrutinizer | like sun |
| 12:25.07 | SpeedEvil | Yes. |
| 12:25.12 | MohammadAG | grr |
| 12:25.13 | Jaffa | That'd be very cool. |
| 12:25.14 | DocScrutinizer | need proper time |
| 12:25.21 | MohammadAG | why is it when I maximize Konsole my whole laptop goes down |
| 12:25.22 | Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: Get it from GPS ;-) |
| 12:25.26 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 12:25.26 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: nope - just date |
| 12:25.36 | SpeedEvil | err |
| 12:25.36 | macmaN | is it me or does n950 browser have trouble with self signed certificates |
| 12:25.39 | SpeedEvil | ponders. |
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| 12:25.58 | DocScrutinizer | o.O |
| 12:26.09 | SpeedEvil | It's an ambiguous position without time I think, yeah. |
| 12:26.22 | thresh | so I guess I found out how to send invites out in G+, so developers are welcome :D |
| 12:26.49 | DocScrutinizer | thresh: no thanks |
| 12:26.56 | lardman | they question is where to implement extra location methods? I guess QtM would be the place if they are willing to take patches |
| 12:26.57 | mece | wishes G+ will fail as miserably as buzz and wave |
| 12:27.08 | alterego | What the f is google+ ? |
| 12:27.22 | mece | alterego, the next step in control and world domination |
| 12:27.24 | lardman | alterego: I was about to ask the same question :) |
| 12:27.31 | SpeedEvil | lardman: The fun issue is can we add this data usefully to a fix. |
| 12:27.39 | DocScrutinizer | mece: facebook++ I heard |
| 12:27.44 | mece | yep. |
| 12:27.59 | Jaffa | doesn't want everything he does through Google to be part of his social network. |
| 12:28.08 | mece | exactly Jaffa |
| 12:28.26 | lardman | SpeedEvil: yep, but how to present the ability to a dev who doesn't care about the method, just the fact it can be done without a connection, etc |
| 12:28.30 | X-Fade | "Jaffa now watches pr0n" :) |
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| 12:28.43 | Jaffa | X-Fade: ;-) |
| 12:28.48 | mece | I HATE google for integrating everything. I do not want them reading my emails and adjusting my search results. I like google services, but I want them absolutely separate. |
| 12:28.53 | X-Fade | Or searches for. Even worse :) |
| 12:28.55 | DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: so you not yet replaced your DHCP provided DNS servers by 8.8.8.8 ? |
| 12:28.59 | mece | X-Fade, exactly |
| 12:29.00 | lardman | X-Fade: he uses your google login for that |
| 12:29.17 | mece | DocScrutinizer, I use that sometimes. My isp's dns is broken :/ |
| 12:29.43 | Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: Not everywhere, no - but I accept Google know it. I just don't want them exposing it to someone who I once emailed as part of a reply-all on maemo-users |
| 12:29.59 | MohammadAG | are meego touch libs in the harmattan SDK? |
| 12:30.03 | X-Fade | Oh, well that is all ok. I'll use yours to search for all kinds of weird std pictures. I guess you will see some adds for meds soon :) |
| 12:30.16 | Jaffa | MohammadAG: Should be, yes. |
| 12:30.17 | lardman | :) |
| 12:30.19 | DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: :-P |
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| 12:30.45 | Jaffa | That's my problem with Google Contacts as well. I like the autocompletion when composing an email, but I don't consider them a "contact" |
| 12:30.45 | MohammadAG | Jaffa, how do I make a new project with MTF then? |
| 12:30.55 | Jaffa | MohammadAG: Err, no idea. |
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| 12:31.56 | DocScrutinizer | lardman: SpeedEvil: what *is* the harmattan analogon to liblocation? |
| 12:32.27 | lardman | liblocationextras is part of it |
| 12:32.28 | Termana | mece, ping |
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| 12:32.34 | mece | Termana, o/ |
| 12:32.35 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: no idea |
| 12:32.53 | lardman | cellular-qt does cellids |
| 12:32.54 | Termana | mece, is "Account name" suppose to be our real full name or just a username? |
| 12:33.00 | lardman | qtm-location does the gps stuff |
| 12:33.07 | mece | Account name is username |
| 12:33.09 | DocScrutinizer | lardman: :nod: |
| 12:33.17 | lardman | so basically it's all spread out around the place, which is a bit crap |
| 12:33.20 | mece | click your username in top left, and you should see full name |
| 12:33.24 | DocScrutinizer | lardman: :nod: |
| 12:33.30 | mece | s/click/Termana, click/ |
| 12:33.43 | mece | dammit, Termana, top right I mean |
| 12:33.48 | lardman | but it should all be wrapped as alternative methods in the qtm-location stuff, as currently it only supports gps |
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| 12:34.13 | DocScrutinizer | lardman: QtM is a flawed concept anyway |
| 12:34.24 | lardman | but what we have to work with |
| 12:34.25 | mece | lardman, supports network also... |
| 12:34.33 | lardman | mece: QtM? |
| 12:34.37 | mece | lardman, at least 1.2 |
| 12:34.39 | DocScrutinizer | lardman: you don't want to replace middleware daemon stuff by a lib linked to every app |
| 12:34.59 | DocScrutinizer | that's just ODD |
| 12:35.02 | mece | lardman, I'm using it indoors so I'm pretty sure I don't have gps signal |
| 12:35.18 | mece | DocScrutinizer, I don't think the location bits are broken though |
| 12:35.24 | lardman | mece: hmm interesting, I'll do some looking |
| 12:35.39 | mece | lardman, you can force it to use gps if you want though. |
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| 12:36.09 | lardman | mece: I was looking through the harmattan api docs and didn't see it, just let me find the qtm 1.2 docs |
| 12:36.29 | DocScrutinizer | mece: if QtM is talking to whatever sensors (here GPS chip) "directly" on a per-app basis, then who's delaing with switching off the chip? |
| 12:36.46 | DocScrutinizer | s/dela/deal/ |
| 12:37.15 | DocScrutinizer | this is a so obviously broken design |
| 12:37.32 | mece | lardman, http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qtmobility-1.2/qgeopositioninfosource.html#PositioningMethod-enum |
| 12:37.34 | alterego | QtM talks to liblocation or whatever management backend there is gypsy etc. |
| 12:37.39 | jonwil | Ok, question: Is a clone of the date-time control panel usefull or not? |
| 12:37.50 | DocScrutinizer | alterego: aah ok then |
| 12:37.53 | alterego | It's handled on a reference-by-reference basis I think. |
| 12:38.03 | alterego | Remember that GPS comms is proprietary and closed ;) |
| 12:38.12 | lardman | mece: but there are no other methods defined, just a generic "nonsatellite" |
| 12:38.23 | javispedro | MohammadAG: launchpad is their app store developer project |
| 12:38.28 | mece | lardman, well it depends on whatever the device supports I suppose |
| 12:38.36 | javispedro | MohammadAG: re meegotouch: http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/unstable/beta/api_refs/showdoc.php?pkn=libmeegotouch&wb=daily-docs&url=Li94bWwvZGFpbHktZG9jcy9saWJtZWVnb3RvdWNo |
| 12:38.36 | mece | lardman, on N900 it uses network positioning |
| 12:38.38 | DocScrutinizer | jonwil: control panel as in "settings"? probably not. Replacement of the used widget systemwide? YES!!! |
| 12:38.50 | lardman | what device are you using that gives you wifi ap location data? |
| 12:39.00 | lardman | ah ok |
| 12:39.01 | MohammadAG | javispedro, can't find which headers I need for status menu applets |
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| 12:39.07 | mece | lardman, hmm I haven't tried that one. |
| 12:39.07 | javispedro | oh. |
| 12:39.09 | javispedro | good question. |
| 12:39.24 | MohammadAG | #meego's dead |
| 12:39.43 | lardman | mece: on the N900 the other rolls up all the liblocation stuff, but on the N950 I can't see what is included in that, and how I can add methods |
| 12:39.45 | mece | MohammadAG, #maemo is where it's at \o/ |
| 12:39.48 | javispedro | #meego's not harmattan (MNG) |
| 12:39.50 | javispedro | er.. |
| 12:39.53 | javispedro | (MNH) |
| 12:39.57 | jonwil | Fixing the widget involves bringing libhildon1 into the CSSU and fixing that |
| 12:39.59 | javispedro | ;PO |
| 12:40.14 | jonwil | All the code for the widget is open source |
| 12:40.26 | mece | lardman, but isn't it enough to put NonSatellite? |
| 12:40.33 | MohammadAG | javispedro, then why's the DDP being discussed on meego.com? |
| 12:41.09 | khertan | because it s an harmattan device ... a mix of meego / maemo |
| 12:41.10 | khertan | :) |
| 12:41.14 | lardman | mece: perhaps, but there are levels of accuracy one can obtain with differing penalties - e.g. cellid location requires a net connection (currently) to get the lat/lon |
| 12:41.41 | mece | lardman, yes... hmm ok at least my n900 found my position through wlan :) |
| 12:41.58 | lardman | MCC is free, so long as you have a cell connection; offline cell id could also be free and far more accurate; magnetic field lines could be free and not need a cell connection at all, etc |
| 12:42.05 | MohammadAG | javispedro, |
| 12:42.06 | MohammadAG | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:42.07 | MohammadAG | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:42.07 | MohammadAG | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:42.08 | khertan | mece: you are lucky ... precision for me is center of France over Wlan :) |
| 12:42.45 | lardman | Yeah I end up in Birmingham, so a hundred miles out or so |
| 12:42.56 | mece | khertan, LOL well I'm in university's IT department, and they do some stuff with location so I suppose they have properly set up the position of the router. |
| 12:43.07 | DocScrutinizer | jonwil: appreciated addition to CSSU |
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| 12:43.11 | lardman | they just look at the IP address iirc |
| 12:43.25 | lardman | so none of the ap location stuff that one can get on e.g. the iPhone |
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| 12:43.36 | mece | lardman, yep, but that ip has to be connected to a location.. |
| 12:43.39 | lardman | but it would be nice to be able to use that capability with the data from openbmal |
| 12:43.49 | lardman | openbmap |
| 12:44.14 | jonwil | I dont have the GUI programming skills to fix the date and time widgets |
| 12:44.21 | MohammadAG | javispedro, the status menu in Harmattan is based on MeeGo's |
| 12:44.26 | MohammadAG | or is actually MeeGo's |
| 12:44.36 | mece | jonwil, which date/time widgets? |
| 12:44.37 | javispedro | MohammadAG: is MeeGo's afaik. |
| 12:44.55 | jonwil | the HildonDateButton and HildonTimePicker |
| 12:45.00 | X-Fade | MohammadAG: Somehow I think it is the other way around, but yeah ;) |
| 12:45.04 | jonwil | that people have suggested should be made better |
| 12:45.29 | jonwil | HildonTimeButton |
| 12:45.30 | javispedro | has to understand that one bit yet |
| 12:45.43 | javispedro | I think the statusbar can be drawn either by mcompositor decorator _or_ the client application |
| 12:45.51 | DocScrutinizer | lardman: AP location on iPhone used to be SkyHook, but they switched to a genuine apple service later |
| 12:45.52 | MohammadAG | javispedro, I can't find ANY docs for it |
| 12:46.13 | jonwil | hmmm, I think I might clone the date time settings applet anyway just for fun :) |
| 12:46.13 | lardman | DocScrutinizer: That was the name I was trying to remember; would be nice to be able to do the same |
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| 12:47.50 | jonwil | Might also play with libtelcommon and libcsnet |
| 12:48.19 | DocScrutinizer | duh, what's that? never heard about those libs |
| 12:49.14 | DocScrutinizer | lardman: building a database for AP locations is not going to fly until you got a critical mass of users |
| 12:49.39 | DocScrutinizer | or sth like google streeview cars gathering the info en passant |
| 12:49.46 | mece | was it engadget that had pictures of the DevKit? |
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| 12:50.04 | jonwil | libcsnet is where network related signals come from |
| 12:50.08 | jonwil | like operator change |
| 12:50.16 | jonwil | or cell tower change |
| 12:50.33 | DocScrutinizer | lardman: of course you can keep you local list of known AP and related GPS coords on device |
| 12:50.54 | javispedro | MohammadAG: "system-ui" package |
| 12:51.09 | DocScrutinizer | mece: pictures of devkit? mompls |
| 12:51.31 | MohammadAG | javispedro, no docs there |
| 12:51.33 | lardman | Docscrutinizer: that would be an alternative is openbmap doesn't have the data in question |
| 12:51.47 | DocScrutinizer | mece: http://www.engadget.com/photos/nokia-n950-press-shots/#4243193 |
| 12:51.52 | MohammadAG | javispedro, system-ui-status-indicator-menu-volume-nokia |
| 12:52.08 | javispedro | no, that's just the volume menu |
| 12:52.16 | javispedro | the battery one seems to be in system-ui itself |
| 12:52.27 | lardman | DocScrutinizer: and to also upload the missing data of course |
| 12:53.01 | DocScrutinizer | lardman: yeah, openbmap is retarded as they don't collect *all* the available data for accquisition points |
| 12:53.24 | jonwil | Why is there so much interest in a non-GPS way of doing location tracking? |
| 12:53.25 | lardman | I didn't realise, but if they are the best going then c'est la vie |
| 12:53.31 | MohammadAG | YES I didn't get an email from qgil :D |
| 12:53.34 | mece | DocScrutinizer, yeah, found it. SEXYYYY |
| 12:53.36 | javispedro | MohammadAG: oh, you are interested in the menu itself |
| 12:53.42 | mece | MohammadAG \o/ |
| 12:53.46 | MohammadAG | "Email sent to 210 participants not accepted in the N950 program." |
| 12:53.51 | lardman | jonwil: just covering all the bases, plus the N900 gps is rubbish without assistance data |
| 12:53.55 | DocScrutinizer | lardman: openbmap is based on the circle model which is flawed for real life |
| 12:54.03 | mece | MohammadAG, wot? |
| 12:54.20 | MohammadAG | http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=24212&postcount=184 |
| 12:54.40 | jonwil | so its more looking for a way to do better location in the situation where a data connection is unavailable or expensive? |
| 12:54.43 | flux | woohoo, I didn't receive an email, that must mean that I'm gonna get one! |
| 12:54.51 | lardman | jonwil: exactly |
| 12:54.55 | DocScrutinizer | jonwil: interest in non GPS location is due to a)TTFF b)power consumption of GPS c)indoors etc |
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| 12:54.57 | lardman | not a replacement but a fallback |
| 12:54.59 | MohammadAG | no, it doesn't, it just means you weren't rejected/accepted yet :D |
| 12:55.04 | javispedro | MohammadAG: did you get one such email? O.o |
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| 12:55.14 | javispedro | ah |
| 12:55.16 | javispedro | you didn't =) |
| 12:56.03 | MohammadAG | I wonder if he's going from newest to oldest applications |
| 12:56.13 | MohammadAG | cause I'm pretty sure I'm one of the first 100 or 200 |
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| 12:56.42 | alterego | MohammadAG: I thought you got accepted? |
| 12:57.08 | MohammadAG | alterego, nope |
| 12:57.16 | javispedro | MohammadAG:there seems to be a "indicator menu extension" sample in system-ui/demos/plugins/call |
| 12:57.31 | javispedro | as well as demos/lugins/profile |
| 12:57.42 | MohammadAG | where are those? |
| 12:57.47 | MohammadAG | oh, source |
| 12:57.49 | javispedro | source package 'system-ui' |
| 12:57.58 | MohammadAG | yeah, realized that :p |
| 12:58.07 | MohammadAG | didn't know system-ui was open |
| 12:58.22 | javispedro | me neither, but this is one step forward. |
| 12:58.23 | Jaffa | MohammadAG: Didn't you say you got an invite for a device? |
| 12:58.28 | javispedro | it has all of the usb dialogs |
| 12:58.36 | javispedro | so extending the "usb cable connected" dialog |
| 12:58.40 | MohammadAG | Jaffa, when did I say that? |
| 12:58.41 | javispedro | shall now be possible. |
| 12:59.06 | MohammadAG | javispedro, extending it on fremantle is possible |
| 12:59.11 | MohammadAG | just rewrite it, it's simple |
| 12:59.14 | javispedro | =) |
| 12:59.17 | MohammadAG | just some DBus and system() calls |
| 12:59.33 | Jaffa | MohammadAG: I thought you said that earlier, and that was what the age stuff was about |
| 12:59.35 | MohammadAG | profile example, excellent |
| 12:59.45 | Jaffa | Or is that Google+ shit? |
| 12:59.50 | alterego | Hah |
| 12:59.56 | MohammadAG | Google+ |
| 12:59.59 | alterego | Okay, that makes sense :D |
| 13:00.05 | javispedro | lol |
| 13:00.09 | javispedro | reads the age stuff in backlog |
| 13:00.13 | MohammadAG | I don't have to be 18+ for a DDP :P |
| 13:00.45 | javispedro | MohammadAG: technically you have. NDA is after all legal agreement. |
| 13:00.45 | MohammadAG | javispedro, this isn't under an NDA |
| 13:00.49 | Venemo | hmmm |
| 13:00.53 | alterego | There is a contract MohammadAG |
| 13:00.55 | alterego | it's a loan |
| 13:00.57 | javispedro | N900 DDP was |
| 13:01.07 | Venemo | how do I know what my "Nokia Developer Id" is? |
| 13:01.11 | javispedro | it was a jokenda, but there was one |
| 13:01.55 | javispedro | MohammadAG: though, I wouldn't worry. After all, you're 18. |
| 13:02.13 | GAN900 | sighs |
| 13:02.14 | MohammadAG | Yeah |
| 13:02.26 | DocScrutinizer | moo GAN900 |
| 13:02.31 | MohammadAG | javispedro, anyway, under local rules I'm allowed to make legal decisions |
| 13:02.37 | Termana | Venemo, go here: http://www.developer.nokia.com/Profile/premium_profile.xhtml |
| 13:02.37 | alterego | Venemo: do you have a nokia developer account? |
| 13:02.38 | lardman | Venemo: I wondered the same, I think it's the name up the top |
| 13:02.45 | GAN900 | Nokia Developer application still hasn't gone through |
| 13:02.46 | alterego | Venemo: it's the number AID-XXXXXXX |
| 13:02.49 | MohammadAG | actually allowed to do anything, besides renting cars *grumbles* |
| 13:03.20 | DocScrutinizer | GAN900: 210 denials sent by quim |
| 13:03.21 | lardman | oh crap, I sent the wrong thing then |
| 13:03.23 | Termana | GAN900, ? mine went straight through. Do you mean the Launchpad one? |
| 13:03.25 | javispedro | GAN900: consider yourself lucky. I'm still stuck in launchpad limbo |
| 13:03.28 | lardman | where do you find that number then> |
| 13:03.40 | Venemo | umm, 3 different replies from 3 people |
| 13:03.42 | javispedro | and have been for the last half year.. |
| 13:03.43 | DocScrutinizer | aah, nokia devel |
| 13:03.51 | lardman | alterego: where is that AID-??? thing located? |
| 13:03.55 | Venemo | if it means anything, I've just completed step 2 from the e-mail |
| 13:04.00 | Termana | lardman, http://www.developer.nokia.com/Profile/premium_profile.xhtml |
| 13:04.02 | alterego | lardman: https://www.developer.nokia.com/Profile/premium_profile.xhtml |
| 13:04.03 | Venemo | Termana, yeah, I've been to that page |
| 13:04.10 | alterego | lardman: it's the first box on the left "Account ID" |
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| 13:05.03 | Termana | Venemo, ^ what alterego just said. Isn't yours there? |
| 13:05.21 | javispedro | qgil is already karmawhoring in f.m.c, he really knows how to do it. |
| 13:05.35 | DocScrutinizer | haha |
| 13:05.40 | alterego | Hahah |
| 13:05.43 | MohammadAG | lmao |
| 13:05.50 | Jaffa | javispedro: For the day when karma's introduced? ;-) |
| 13:06.09 | DocScrutinizer | according to http://www.engadget.com/photos/nokia-n950-press-shots/#4243193 and my poor math there are ~120 devices for 240 applicants yet |
| 13:06.15 | Termana | Re: NDA - you accept a click through NDA when you sign up for a premium developer account. Although half of you probably didn't read that |
| 13:06.28 | alterego | Heh |
| 13:06.33 | MohammadAG | I wish I could import my tmo thanks to fmc :P |
| 13:06.38 | alterego | Termana: the NDA is also at the bottom of the page ;) |
| 13:06.44 | Venemo | ah, yeah! I got it |
| 13:06.45 | alterego | Termana: the premium_profile.xhtml page that is. |
| 13:06.47 | lardman | thanks Termana, alterego |
| 13:06.48 | javispedro | Jaffa: Maybe he knows a future Meego handset maker _will_ use Karma ;) |
| 13:06.48 | Venemo | thanks alterego & Termana |
| 13:06.53 | alterego | np |
| 13:06.58 | mece | javispedro, where is he karmawhoring? |
| 13:07.00 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: according to Engadget what? O.o |
| 13:07.06 | DocScrutinizer | meh |
| 13:07.08 | javispedro | mce: f.m.c = forum.meego.com |
| 13:07.10 | javispedro | er.. |
| 13:07.13 | mece | javispedro, yeah |
| 13:07.13 | javispedro | mece^^ |
| 13:07.28 | mece | javispedro, I meant is it any post in particular? |
| 13:07.28 | DocScrutinizer | http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=24212&postcount=184 |
| 13:07.38 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: ah, wrong link, ok *relief* |
| 13:07.46 | javispedro | mece: the devkit thread ;) |
| 13:07.55 | DocScrutinizer | according to http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=24212&postcount=184 and my poor math there are ~120 devices for 240 applicants yet |
| 13:08.12 | Venemo | alterego, after doing step 2, do I have to wait for the answer for my mail to do step 3? |
| 13:08.29 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer, that is still an 1/2 chance, not bad. |
| 13:08.33 | mece | Venemo, I don't think you have to do step 3 |
| 13:08.42 | Venemo | why not mece? |
| 13:08.43 | RST38h | Doc: not 120, 40. |
| 13:08.45 | alterego | Venemo: after sending your AID to quim, just wait. |
| 13:08.50 | DocScrutinizer | OUCH |
| 13:08.52 | Venemo | alterego, ok |
| 13:08.52 | mece | Venemo, wait.. hm |
| 13:09.05 | javispedro | "Wireless Keyboard For HP TouchPad. iPad sold separately." |
| 13:09.08 | MohammadAG | 210 + 240 = 450 |
| 13:09.08 | MohammadAG | ah nevermind, adds up |
| 13:09.12 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: how 40? |
| 13:09.20 | RST38h | 250-210=40 |
| 13:09.25 | MohammadAG | hey, I didn't check my email's junk box |
| 13:09.38 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: wut? those 210 were denials |
| 13:09.38 | mece | MohammadAG, mine ended up in spam |
| 13:09.43 | Venemo | yep, my junk filter also filtered it |
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| 13:09.59 | MohammadAG | gulps |
| 13:10.09 | mece | MohammadAG, well? |
| 13:10.23 | RST38h | Doc: I think we are reading it differently |
| 13:10.33 | Termana | alterego, whoops. I already applied for the Launchpad account and it seems others have as well |
| 13:10.34 | MohammadAG | mece, I'm sure I wasn't accepted yet, but I'm not sure if I got a rejection email |
| 13:10.45 | trx | i got no mail so far |
| 13:10.46 | mece | MohammadAG, gulp indeed |
| 13:10.46 | alterego | Termana: I have, in march |
| 13:10.54 | MohammadAG | my gmail's clean, /me checks his hotmail |
| 13:10.58 | Venemo | alterego, so, should I apply to this launchpad thing or not? |
| 13:11.00 | javispedro | alterego: and yours was approved? |
| 13:11.02 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: >>Email sent to 210 participants not accepted in the N950 program.<< how can we read that differently? |
| 13:11.04 | alterego | Termana: way before this, I don't think that will matter, I think we should just wait a few hours for some news. |
| 13:11.05 | trx | i would like to recieve any kind of mail |
| 13:11.10 | alterego | javispedro: nope. |
| 13:11.12 | trx | just to be over with it :/ |
| 13:11.19 | javispedro | alterego: nice to have someone in the club! |
| 13:11.21 | alterego | Venemo: no, just wait. |
| 13:11.23 | mece | Venemo, I already applied there actually, come to think about it, so I guess qgil will just tell them to accept my application. |
| 13:11.26 | Venemo | ok alterego |
| 13:11.30 | alterego | javispedro: w00t__ is in the same situation ;) |
| 13:11.34 | MohammadAG | good, no rejections |
| 13:11.40 | javispedro | alterego: I applied in january to launchpad |
| 13:11.47 | alterego | javispedro: Hah :) |
| 13:11.55 | mece | javispedro, :D |
| 13:11.59 | alterego | Yeah, I applied earlier this year, march or before. |
| 13:12.11 | javispedro | no answer from them, no answer from support, no answer from noone |
| 13:12.18 | alterego | w00t__: apparently applied too, I guess none of us have had any acceptance emails. I've still got the one saying "please be patient" :D |
| 13:12.22 | mece | I applied the same day I applied to meego.com |
| 13:12.26 | javispedro | maybe I should start testing my tcp face-punching application. |
| 13:12.37 | alterego | Heh |
| 13:12.54 | alterego | Ah, maybe we could share some code, I was working on a UDP honey badger application |
| 13:12.59 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: my math is like: 250devices -~130names_on_accepted_list = 120devices_left |
| 13:13.05 | javispedro | mece: so you hold the longest launchpad waiting time world record? when did you sign up? |
| 13:13.32 | lardman | hmm, I read it that we do have to do step 3 after responding with out AID thing |
| 13:13.39 | lardman | s/out/our |
| 13:13.43 | GAN900 | I'm confused. |
| 13:13.48 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: >>240 proposals are still in the game.<< means 120 devices for 240 proposals |
| 13:14.04 | RST38h | Ah ok |
| 13:14.07 | mece | javispedro, no no I meant the same day I signed up for community device |
| 13:14.11 | RST38h | misunderstood |
| 13:14.19 | javispedro | mece: bah, you newbie ;D |
| 13:14.24 | alterego | Heh |
| 13:14.35 | alterego | So, who wants to share their AIDs? |
| 13:14.37 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer, 210 rejections sent, 130 names in the accepted list, and 530 total applications. meaning: 190 applications for 110 devices remain |
| 13:14.40 | alterego | chuckles |
| 13:14.41 | w00t__ | yup, I got that mail, alterego |
| 13:14.43 | Termana | alterego, lol |
| 13:14.44 | RST38h | lardman: "You are already a member of this program, there is no need to re-apply. " |
| 13:14.46 | mece | javispedro, yep. Although I think I might have applied for other devices, because I already had an account there. I don't remember which though. Possibly N900 |
| 13:15.01 | alterego | w00t__: I hope their systems can cope with it ; |
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| 13:15.05 | javispedro | oooooooooh. |
| 13:15.06 | DocScrutinizer | Venemo: >>240 proposals are still in the game.<< |
| 13:15.18 | javispedro | my premium_registration form is prefilled with what I think was the stuff I put on my launchpad application |
| 13:15.26 | alterego | Come one guys, I want your AIDs! |
| 13:15.27 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer, aah. that is a contradiction |
| 13:15.32 | javispedro | so it was not sent to the trash! |
| 13:15.32 | lardman | yeah that sounds right javispedro |
| 13:15.32 | mece | javispedro, that's the one. |
| 13:15.35 | w00t__ | alterego: they probably dealt with it by redirecting all mail to /dev/null :) |
| 13:15.39 | Termana | gives alterego lots and lots of AIDs |
| 13:15.52 | alterego | w00t__: I don't think they have /dev/null on MSDN |
| 13:15.59 | alterego | s/MSDN/Nokia Developer/ |
| 13:16.10 | javispedro | alterego: they have $NUL |
| 13:16.13 | javispedro | er... NUL: |
| 13:16.25 | lardman | alterego: interesting slip of the finger/tongue |
| 13:16.38 | Termana | :p |
| 13:16.39 | alterego | lardman: I'm just saying it how I see it. |
| 13:16.41 | DocScrutinizer | MSDN *is* NULL: |
| 13:16.43 | lardman | ;) |
| 13:16.51 | mece | alterego, "In this restaurant, the hamburger deluxe comes with french fries, lettuce, tomato, mayo, and AIDS." |
| 13:16.57 | alterego | lardman: Makes the transition from Nokia Developer to Microsoft Developer Network easier .. |
| 13:17.09 | lardman | well the look is already there |
| 13:17.19 | alterego | Even the API docs are MSDN-esque :/ |
| 13:18.30 | javispedro | and the forum icons are wp7's |
| 13:18.50 | alterego | Heh |
| 13:18.50 | javispedro | this is not a hidden conspiracy, it's all on the light. |
| 13:18.58 | alterego | Indeed. |
| 13:19.16 | alterego | I actually wouldn't be suprised if an MS aquisition goes through |
| 13:19.28 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer, actually, MSDN has very good documentation on their stuff |
| 13:19.32 | alterego | But it could only pass through the EUC if their stock is worthless. |
| 13:19.35 | alterego | Oh wait ... |
| 13:20.42 | divan | What does Quim Gil mean when finish the letter with the sentense "We hope you enjoy your flight! :)"? Should we flight to Finland in order to get N950? :) |
| 13:20.45 | javispedro | alterego: though if you are to follow the count of posts, virtually more people are interested in webtv than wp7 =) |
| 13:21.14 | lardman | divan: it's tongue-in-cheek |
| 13:21.17 | alterego | Heh |
| 13:21.18 | Termana | divan, yes, didn't you know that what apart of the deal? You can only use it in Finland |
| 13:21.19 | Venemo | divan, it's a proverb |
| 13:21.25 | Termana | s/what/was |
| 13:21.29 | lardman | or perhaps an expression of how fantastic using the device will be |
| 13:21.30 | divan | ah, I was unsure, thanks ) |
| 13:21.45 | javispedro | what's outside temperatue in finland? |
| 13:21.49 | javispedro | today? |
| 13:21.58 | alterego | It's going to be so fun demoing the phone with "Developer Edition" plastered all over the UX |
| 13:22.13 | MohammadAG | yeah, makes you look like a badass |
| 13:22.27 | Termana | alterego, and PROPERTY OF NOKIA on the back. You'll be locked up |
| 13:22.36 | Venemo | alterego, is it plastered all over the UX? |
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| 13:22.39 | lardman | hmm, so after sending the wrong info in reply to the email, then sending the right info, and applyiing for launchpad, what happens next? |
| 13:22.49 | mece | alterego, does it have developer edition plastered all across the UI? |
| 13:22.50 | Termana | lardman, you play a nice game of wait |
| 13:23.04 | javispedro | you evolve into the next plane of existence |
| 13:23.04 | sandst1 | alterego: it's going to be so fun reflashing the phone to meego ce :) |
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| 13:23.14 | alterego | lardman: I don't know I did the same :D |
| 13:23.25 | alterego | sandst1: yup :) |
| 13:23.26 | lardman | Have you had a reply from Launchpad yet? |
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| 13:23.34 | alterego | sandst1: I've heard it works really well. |
| 13:23.42 | mece | lardman, reply to what? |
| 13:23.52 | lardman | launchpad application |
| 13:23.54 | sandst1 | alterego: tried it last week, quite smooooth |
| 13:24.06 | sandst1 | lardman: no reply yet, apparently it normally takes 1-2 days |
| 13:24.11 | Jaffa | sandst1: Of course, the covenant is that you're getting this device to put at least one app in apps.meego.com :-p |
| 13:24.18 | lardman | sandst1: ah ok, thanks |
| 13:24.48 | mece | lardman, no reply for me |
| 13:24.57 | MohammadAG | Venemo, settings app, top status menu, back of the device says not for sale |
| 13:25.35 | mece | can one flash the non developer edition software to that thing? |
| 13:25.53 | Venemo | MohammadAG, "not for sale" on the back is actually fun |
| 13:26.02 | trx | hahah indeed |
| 13:26.03 | MohammadAG | possibly |
| 13:26.08 | MohammadAG | bad thing is, you can't downgrade |
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| 13:26.28 | trx | you can make fun of those who cant get one with that sticker, thats for sure :) |
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| 13:26.56 | Termana | trx, no one can get one without the sticker |
| 13:27.28 | MohammadAG | Venemo, see the top here http://cdn.slashgear.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/nokia_n950_developer_edition-580x435.jpg ? |
| 13:27.29 | sandst1 | Jaffa: yup :) |
| 13:27.32 | trx | Termana i meant other people that would like to buy/get one but cant |
| 13:27.50 | Venemo | MohammadAG, I see... but, is that final? and is it non-removable? |
| 13:28.15 | MohammadAG | why? it makes you feel special :p |
| 13:28.16 | Termana | I think Venemo is worried he will be arrested... :p |
| 13:28.22 | Venemo | hehehe |
| 13:28.31 | Venemo | hm, one question though |
| 13:28.50 | divan | my favourite photo of n950: http://habrastorage.org/storage1/129a08e4/ac6bea14/647598e2/6f9459fd.jpg |
| 13:29.01 | Venemo | can I actually use the device for personal use until it's with me? (provided that I take good care of it) |
| 13:29.18 | Jaffa | Venemo: No, you can't use it until you have it(?!) |
| 13:29.21 | khertan | You do not have the required access rights to the page you were trying to access. <<< w8 and see |
| 13:29.27 | sandst1 | my favourite photo of the n950 would be one taken where the n950 is on my desk :P |
| 13:29.29 | Venemo | Jaffa, I was asking, "until it's with me" |
| 13:29.34 | Venemo | divan, nice indeed |
| 13:29.37 | Jaffa | Venemo: You mean "*whilst* it's with me"? |
| 13:29.39 | Venemo | sandst1 ++ |
| 13:29.53 | Venemo | Jaffa, hmmm... yeah, I think that's what I meant |
| 13:29.58 | lardman | lol |
| 13:30.06 | Venemo | Jaffa, "while" it is with me? |
| 13:30.06 | lardman | I was getting confused too |
| 13:30.14 | Venemo | is not a native English speaker |
| 13:30.17 | MohammadAG | no, it'll take out a laser and kill you |
| 13:30.18 | lardman | while and whilst are pretty interchangable |
| 13:30.25 | Jaffa | Venemo: OK, yes. You can use it for personal purposes. Otherwise how will you know what apps scratch your itches? |
| 13:30.37 | Jaffa | Venemo: What lardman said about "whilst" and "while" |
| 13:30.38 | javispedro | nokia profiles are still outdated, eh. |
| 13:30.48 | javispedro | I kinda like that they allow me to say I stil develop for the PalmOS. |
| 13:30.53 | Jaffa | Venemo: "until it's with me" would mean the period of time *before* you got it. |
| 13:30.53 | Venemo | Jaffa, so I can slap in my SIM card and take it with me like I would a normal personal device? |
| 13:31.04 | Venemo | Jaffa, okay, thanks for the correction. |
| 13:31.19 | Jaffa | Venemo: Yes. That's the intention, use it as much as possible! |
| 13:31.27 | Venemo | Jaffa, I think I meant "while" it is me, meaning during the period it is with me |
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| 13:31.41 | Jaffa | The loan agreement does say you won't publicise deficiencies. So that'd impact anyone planning a negative review ;-) |
| 13:31.52 | Venemo | heheh |
| 13:32.12 | Venemo | I only wish I could somehow keep it, or maybe buy it for a discount after the loan. |
| 13:32.25 | mece | Jaffa, what does it say about how long the loan is? |
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| 13:32.35 | Venemo | mece, nothing exact |
| 13:32.39 | Jaffa | mece: It doesn't specify a timescale, AFAICS |
| 13:32.53 | Choom | what if one loses their phone? |
| 13:32.55 | mece | Jaffa, so it defaults to" infinity" |
| 13:33.05 | Venemo | mece, Quim only posted in the thread that basically while they know that the device is in good hands with you, you can have it |
| 13:33.06 | Choom | will nokia just ensure that it's banned from all carriers? |
| 13:33.42 | mece | Choom, I doubt anything will happen, other than the fact that you won't have the phone anymore |
| 13:33.52 | Venemo | Choom, if you lose it? they will shoot you, then slice you into 4 pieces and put them on display with a caption "this is what happens if you lose an N950" |
| 13:33.56 | mece | Venemo, that's sweet |
| 13:34.10 | divan | lol |
| 13:34.12 | mece | fuu. I've got to go. |
| 13:34.13 | mece | tata |
| 13:34.22 | Choom | mece: so what if you claim to have lost / destroyed it unintentionally? does that mean you get to keep it? |
| 13:34.25 | Termana | cya mece |
| 13:34.40 | Jaffa | mece: The exact terms are: "14. Returns. Nokia may request return of the Product at any time. Upon such request, You will promptly and in a secure manner return the Product to Nokia or its designee. [...]" |
| 13:35.06 | Choom | what if you don't? |
| 13:35.12 | mece | Choom, well if it's broken it's broken. Lost at sea might be a good idea.. |
| 13:35.15 | divan | is buying second N900 today btw :) |
| 13:35.21 | javispedro | Choom: they send in the black helicopters |
| 13:35.28 | Termana | Choom, they could sue you for it I suppose |
| 13:35.29 | DocScrutinizer | divan: MINE!! |
| 13:35.31 | mece | Choom, you might be lawyered, who knows. I doubt anything will happen tho. |
| 13:35.33 | Jaffa | Choom: It goes on to say it is designated "lost" |
| 13:35.38 | divan | DocScrutinizer, you late ) |
| 13:35.44 | DocScrutinizer | ALL MINE!! |
| 13:35.53 | DocScrutinizer | ;-) |
| 13:35.57 | mece | LOL |
| 13:35.59 | Choom | Jaffa: so does that mean it gets banned from all carriers? |
| 13:36.00 | mece | ok rlly gonna go now. tata |
| 13:36.06 | javispedro | though I believe Elop is reserving the black helicopters to ensure extermination of all Meego developers and users when the first Nokia Wp7 is announced. |
| 13:36.09 | Jaffa | Choom: I can't see if they define what happens in that situation; but you'll be in Breach of Contract. Lawyering is possible, but - as mece says - seems unlikely |
| 13:36.31 | Jaffa | Choom: It's a legal clause; it means anything & nothing. |
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| 13:36.44 | lardman | I don;t know why people start asking this sort of question |
| 13:36.45 | Termana | Choom, just do what your meant to do with it and you'll be fine |
| 13:36.49 | Termana | Otherwise |
| 13:36.49 | lardman | +! |
| 13:36.51 | Termana | I kill you |
| 13:36.51 | lardman | +1 |
| 13:36.53 | Termana | :P |
| 13:37.04 | Venemo | heh |
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| 13:37.32 | Venemo | I surely hope that at the end we can have either the N950, or can buy it, or something, or maybe a discounted N9? whatever. |
| 13:37.37 | Choom | lardman: I'm just wondering how they protect themselves in these situations, nothing else |
| 13:37.56 | Venemo | Choom, they sue your pants off |
| 13:38.11 | divan | how do the 'know that the device is in a good hands'? Is there good hands sensor on N950? |
| 13:38.13 | divan | ^) |
| 13:38.45 | MohammadAG | Venemo, you can keep the N950 or trade it for an N9 afaik |
| 13:38.49 | Jaffa | Venemo: alterego says qgil said that on the launch of the N9, recipients of the N950 would be able to swap |
| 13:38.54 | MohammadAG | which is a touch decision |
| 13:38.56 | MohammadAG | tough* |
| 13:39.00 | Jaffa | Aye |
| 13:39.11 | javispedro | will probably swap |
| 13:39.12 | DocScrutinizer | alterego: sed -i "s/DEVELOPER EDITION/ALTEREGO SPECIAL/g" * |
| 13:39.21 | MohammadAG | I like the screen of the N9, the extra storage, and want NFC |
| 13:39.21 | alterego | DocScrutinizer: :) |
| 13:39.22 | Jaffa | javispedro: I'll try using VKB in terminal etc. |
| 13:39.34 | MohammadAG | I like the keyboard of the N950 |
| 13:39.34 | alterego | MohammadAG: I don't think it's tough, I'd prefer the N9, better support. |
| 13:39.36 | Jaffa | MohammadAG: Of course, there's no guarantee the swap won't be for a 16GB N9 :-( |
| 13:39.38 | lardman | Choom: I'd guess that they would sue to give you a scare, but equally and more importantly if you piss about then you will get a bad name and that's it for you w/ Nokia |
| 13:39.44 | alterego | I'll keep the N900 for typing .. |
| 13:39.45 | sandst1 | divan: that's what they've got the Swipe UI for. It asserts that the devices can only be used with good hands |
| 13:39.51 | Venemo | MohammadAG, Jaffa: yeah, alterego said that. but we don't know if at that time it would still be a loan or you could just own the device. |
| 13:39.53 | Jaffa | alterego: Bluemaemo as the keyboard for an N9? ;-) |
| 13:40.03 | Jaffa | Venemo: I think you're overworrying. |
| 13:40.04 | alterego | Jaffa: sure, and I've got my bluetooth keyboard. |
| 13:40.15 | Jaffa | Venemo: Just look at what happened with the Amsterdam N900s. |
| 13:40.32 | MohammadAG | they lost their USBs |
| 13:40.34 | Venemo | what happened to them? |
| 13:40.36 | MohammadAG | :P |
| 13:40.36 | Jaffa | MohammadAG: :-) |
| 13:40.39 | Termana | MohammadAG, :P |
| 13:40.41 | lardman | I had a strange phonecall from Nokia warranty wondering if I'd stolen one |
| 13:40.42 | DocScrutinizer | alterego: on a somewhat related topic: what's the state of things about the meego community device? |
| 13:40.45 | Termana | Venemo, everyone has kept theirs |
| 13:40.48 | Jaffa | Venemo: I don't know anyone who returned it, or got chased up to return it. |
| 13:40.52 | DocScrutinizer | alterego: cancelled? |
| 13:40.55 | Venemo | Termana, for free? |
| 13:40.57 | alterego | DocScrutinizer: no, not cancelled |
| 13:41.01 | DocScrutinizer | alterego: for N950/N9? |
| 13:41.01 | Termana | Venemo, ... yes |
| 13:41.03 | MohammadAG | the USB loss? yes, it was free |
| 13:41.07 | Termana | lol |
| 13:41.09 | Venemo | Termana, that is good enough for me :) |
| 13:41.23 | lardman | not quite free, you had to expend some energy shoving the cable in and out a few times |
| 13:41.23 | alterego | DocScrutinizer: still WIP, apparently a lot has been going on about, still need to touch base with the project leader. |
| 13:41.25 | MohammadAG | so basically, the N950 will probably do the same |
| 13:41.26 | Venemo | MohammadAG, xD |
| 13:41.31 | MohammadAG | swap it for an N9, or it'll explode |
| 13:41.45 | DocScrutinizer | alterego: I'd love to join the team |
| 13:42.05 | alterego | DocScrutinizer: when things start moving you'll be there ;) |
| 13:42.06 | Termana | MohammadAG, Jokes on you - new meaning to time bombed software, it interacts with hardware too now |
| 13:42.13 | Venemo | actually, it's a no-brainer. choosing between a limited run developer-only exclusive device (of which only a few hundred exists on the planet) versus an overhyped mass market device. |
| 13:42.23 | MohammadAG | Termana, I wasn't accepted, joke's on you!!! |
| 13:42.27 | MohammadAG | adds a yet |
| 13:42.34 | DocScrutinizer | alterego: My contributions fail to take effect when coming in late |
| 13:42.48 | Venemo | MohammadAG, maybe you haven't been accepted yet because the gold plating on your N960 hasn't been completed yet. |
| 13:42.50 | Termana | MohammadAG, don't jinx yourself ;) |
| 13:43.01 | *** part/#maemo rcg (~rc@fb2-pub-1.dv-nr.fh-frankfurt.de) |
| 13:43.04 | DocScrutinizer | alterego: like "ohwell, let's fix this hw issue for next version" |
| 13:43.05 | sandst1 | Venemo: There's a golden N960? |
| 13:43.09 | MohammadAG | Termana, well, 3 days ago I was saying I think I won't get a device |
| 13:43.11 | alterego | DocScrutinizer: still very early stage at the moment ;) |
| 13:43.12 | Venemo | sandst1, yep, for MohammadAG |
| 13:43.14 | MohammadAG | I think I already jinx'd myself |
| 13:43.22 | Venemo | :P |
| 13:43.27 | sandst1 | Venemo: ah :P |
| 13:43.43 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 13:43.48 | Termana | Venemo, I think I'd keep the developer device and BUY an N9 :p You can't BUY an N950 |
| 13:43.53 | Venemo | surely they will need someone for the Harmattan Community SSU, so maybe they'll just send MohammadAG a device when that need arises |
| 13:44.08 | alterego | Termana: if that's a possibility, I'll do the same ;) |
| 13:44.18 | MohammadAG | Venemo, then I should've had it ten months ago, I don't know how to crack aegis |
| 13:44.24 | Venemo | Termana, yep. I'd keep the N950, but I wouldn't have money for an N9. |
| 13:44.30 | DocScrutinizer | alterego: joining in and keeping up doesn't hurt, starting to contribute as soon as project reaching a state where it makes sense to do so |
| 13:44.32 | Venemo | MohammadAG, what is aegis? |
| 13:44.40 | MohammadAG | your next nightmare |
| 13:44.43 | Termana | Please don't talk about aegis |
| 13:44.49 | Termana | The channel will implode |
| 13:44.50 | Venemo | MohammadAG :D |
| 13:44.51 | DocScrutinizer | alterego: other way round usually results in me being in late |
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| 13:44.57 | Venemo | srsly, what is it |
| 13:45.02 | alterego | DocScrutinizer: well, when I talk to him next, I'll mention it, we realy need to get a proper communications channel in operation. |
| 13:45.07 | alterego | So we can all work together. |
| 13:45.11 | Termana | Venemo, apart of the DRM scheme |
| 13:45.17 | DocScrutinizer | alterego: agree |
| 13:45.27 | Venemo | Termana, what does it actually do? |
| 13:45.33 | MohammadAG | Venemo, Security framework |
| 13:45.41 | Venemo | alterego, proper communications channel for what? |
| 13:45.46 | MohammadAG | drop a binary somewhere, execute it, get Operation not permitted |
| 13:45.49 | alterego | Venemo: your mom! :P |
| 13:45.54 | MohammadAG | Aegis has to approve your binary |
| 13:45.57 | alterego | I've gotta go, bbiab |
| 13:45.59 | Venemo | alterego, my mom, again? |
| 13:46.06 | Venemo | MohammadAG, chmod +x? |
| 13:46.11 | Termana | ttyl alterego |
| 13:46.18 | alterego | ciao |
| 13:46.56 | MohammadAG | Venemo, you thought it was that easy? |
| 13:47.03 | Venemo | MohammadAG, yep |
| 13:47.04 | javispedro | Venemo: aegis refuses to run binaries not installed there by package manager. |
| 13:47.06 | MohammadAG | it lives in kernel space, not user space |
| 13:47.13 | MohammadAG | I already said, it's your next nightmare |
| 13:47.18 | Venemo | oh my god |
| 13:47.30 | Venemo | this is a ridiculous limitation for a dev device. |
| 13:47.31 | Venemo | can I just uninstall it? |
| 13:47.38 | javispedro | It's like the second coming of abill_uk. |
| 13:47.43 | Termana | lol |
| 13:47.44 | javispedro | a horrible nightmare. |
| 13:47.56 | X-Fade | Currently I'm running a self compiled app without doing anything special. Don't make it too special. |
| 13:48.04 | MohammadAG | Venemo, hah, uninstall it, hahahahaa |
| 13:48.22 | MohammadAG | you can switch to open mode, and lose some apps in the process |
| 13:48.31 | MohammadAG | you can't run a custom kernel without open mode |
| 13:48.32 | X-Fade | MohammadAG: You don't have to do that. |
| 13:49.12 | cloudyLights | hay |
| 13:49.24 | cloudyLights | is today the last day to apply for the N9 dev kit? |
| 13:49.34 | Termana | cloudyLights, already closed |
| 13:49.34 | cloudyLights | I was sure I got one more month |
| 13:49.39 | cloudyLights | when? |
| 13:49.50 | Termana | lol *rolls over in grave* |
| 13:49.52 | MohammadAG | X-Fade, hmm? |
| 13:49.55 | Termana | yesterday/today |
| 13:50.00 | Termana | it's closed already |
| 13:50.16 | javispedro | cloudyLights: apply as an open source dev, or commercial? |
| 13:50.30 | X-Fade | MohammadAG: I just installed from an untrusted source, that works fine. |
| 13:50.51 | cloudyLights | javispedro: open source |
| 13:50.59 | DocScrutinizer | AEGIS AEGIS AEGIS AEGIS AEGIS AEGIS WUHAHAHAHAAAAHAAA |
| 13:51.06 | DocScrutinizer | toldya |
| 13:51.12 | javispedro | cloudyLights: closed |
| 13:51.15 | DocScrutinizer | nobody did listen |
| 13:51.19 | jonwil | bah, I give up trying to figure out libisi and the rest of the telephony stack |
| 13:51.43 | Termana | DocScrutinizer, EVERYONE. DUN. GOOFED. Well, no one has actually confirmed it's there yet |
| 13:51.53 | Termana | Although there was that aegisfs thing |
| 13:51.57 | DocScrutinizer | some very fuzzy cloudy rumour has it they'll nuke aegis for N9 |
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| 13:52.06 | achipa | aegis is there |
| 13:52.19 | Termana | Oh lord, the sky is FALLIN |
| 13:52.32 | achipa | it's *mostly* disabled so not as bad as it could have been, but still |
| 13:52.43 | Venemo | achipa, so, what, if MADDE copies over a binary to the N950 and tries to execute it, will Aegis let it do that? |
| 13:52.55 | X-Fade | Venemo: That is no problem at all. |
| 13:53.07 | pabs3 | DocScrutinizer: sounds kinda like selinux? |
| 13:53.15 | DocScrutinizer | WAAAY worse |
| 13:53.20 | Venemo | note that I'm not using MADDE's packaging features, just the mode where it just copies the binary |
| 13:53.24 | DocScrutinizer | this is trusted platform shit |
| 13:53.37 | Venemo | hey, SELinux CAN be tamed, and disabled |
| 13:53.43 | pabs3 | how deep does it go? locked bootloader? |
| 13:53.47 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 13:53.47 | Termana | untrusted you mean |
| 13:53.55 | pabs3 | selinux is useful |
| 13:53.56 | Termana | I don't trust it |
| 13:53.59 | Termana | :p |
| 13:54.06 | DocScrutinizer | completely armed implementation |
| 13:54.14 | cloudyLights | javispedro: are you in-charge/ |
| 13:54.15 | cloudyLights | ? |
| 13:54.26 | javispedro | cloudyLights: nope |
| 13:54.34 | pabs3 | DocScrutinizer: so what about open mode, can you overwrite the bootloader then? |
| 13:54.36 | Venemo | I have SELinux on my F15, and it never stopped me from doing what I want. |
| 13:54.36 | achipa | Venemo: not by default |
| 13:54.42 | Venemo | achipa, ? |
| 13:54.55 | crashanddie | DUDE# |
| 13:54.56 | achipa | Venemo: scp over binary and run |
| 13:54.59 | crashanddie | YOU HAVE AN F15??? |
| 13:54.59 | DocScrutinizer | pabs3: of course, but then your device is a brick |
| 13:55.14 | Termana | crashanddie, ba dum tsss |
| 13:55.22 | Venemo | achipa, yes, that's what MADDE does, isn't it? |
| 13:55.49 | achipa | Venemo: sorta. currently it goes through the package manager, which is aegis-enabled |
| 13:55.49 | javispedro | Venemo: there's some kind of "devel-su" thing, yet to test it cause it seems to be only in real device |
| 13:55.58 | pabs3 | DocScrutinizer: eh? how so? does the ROM verify the bootloader? |
| 13:56.03 | MohammadAG | crashanddie, yeah, he's a lucky bastard, I only have F1-F12!!! |
| 13:56.04 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 13:56.11 | Venemo | achipa, well, that "feature" is the first thing I disable in Qt Creator |
| 13:56.45 | pabs3 | ugh, I guess on the off chance I get an N950 in the dev thing I will reject it |
| 13:56.45 | DocScrutinizer | pabs3: toldya, complete implementation, rock solid |
| 13:56.55 | crashanddie | MohammadAG, I've got F-all. |
| 13:57.10 | pabs3 | goes looking for Android dev programs |
| 13:57.24 | javispedro | they don't have any! |
| 13:57.30 | DocScrutinizer | pabs3: that's been my reaction as well |
| 13:57.47 | Venemo | achipa, could you please help me a bit with the Harmattan SDK? |
| 13:57.58 | Termana | javispedro, unless you show up at their stupid shindig and then they give them out to all the pansies in the crowd |
| 13:58.02 | DocScrutinizer | probably I'll burn my fingers touching tha piece from hell |
| 13:58.22 | javispedro | Termana: overrated. I showed up at the Android booth in MWC and I didn't left with a device. |
| 13:58.23 | X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: And still you piss and moan around here. Isn't it time for you to just leave? |
| 13:58.41 | DocScrutinizer | not really, there's hope still |
| 13:58.48 | pabs3 | goes to mail quim |
| 13:58.53 | DocScrutinizer | and I didn't notice I moaned |
| 13:59.01 | Termana | pabs3, you aren't SERIOUS are you? |
| 13:59.34 | GAN900 | I guess they'll be helping push the LaunchPad applications through as part of the process? |
| 13:59.46 | pabs3 | Termana: well, an unlocked bootloader is kinda essential to the project I proposed, so if it isn't available, then he should reject my application |
| 13:59.49 | DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: au contraire, I'm still willing to actually burn my fingers if quim thinks I should do |
| 13:59.59 | achipa | guys, that's like saying if I can't have a strawberry cake *WITH MINT*, then I'd rather eat a 2 month old cookie |
| 14:00.15 | X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: I'm pretty sure that if people read the backscroll, you won't get anything. |
| 14:00.16 | Termana | GAN900, you would assume so. Unless it's a big conspiracy and you never get one because they never approve the Launchpad account |
| 14:00.18 | lardman | GAN900: I guess the Launchpad guys will receive a list of numbers to enable and that's that |
| 14:00.25 | DocScrutinizer | :shrug: |
| 14:00.30 | DocScrutinizer | why? |
| 14:00.34 | jonwil | I doubt anyone outside of Nokia will ever be able to do anything to the telephony stack except tinker around the edges or make use of the few tidbits of information Nokia have published like libcsnet-dev :( |
| 14:00.45 | cloudyLights | so eerybody here got one |
| 14:00.53 | Venemo | so, I start Xephyr with 'Xephyr :2 -host-cursor -screen 854x480x16 -dpi 96 -ac -extension Composite &', then I issue '/scratchbox/login' and 'meego-sb-session start' in another terminal |
| 14:01.00 | Venemo | but the Xephyr window stays empty |
| 14:01.11 | Venemo | I'm doing this on the HARMATTAN_X86 target |
| 14:01.19 | DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: calling aegis a hell spawn doesn't look like a personal insult to me |
| 14:01.28 | pabs3 | DocScrutinizer: was the N900 also bootloader locked? |
| 14:01.30 | Venemo | weirdly, it works from HARMATTAN_ARMEL |
| 14:01.41 | DocScrutinizer | pabs3: first stage yes |
| 14:01.45 | Termana | jonwil, what are you talking about? Harmattan's or Fremantle's telephony stack? Otherwise, ofono will work fine for either the N900 or N950/N9. |
| 14:01.49 | DocScrutinizer | pabs3: 2nd stage aka NOLO not |
| 14:01.54 | jonwil | Fremantle stack |
| 14:01.57 | vi__ | X-Fade: are u mad because doc called aegis gay? |
| 14:01.59 | Termana | cloudyLights, no |
| 14:02.03 | jonwil | ofono works fine for small values of " |
| 14:02.06 | jonwil | of "fine" |
| 14:02.20 | jonwil | specifically it works fine if and only if you are completly replacing half the system |
| 14:03.03 | Termana | pabs3, what's the project you proposed. You will still be able to load another distro on there or whatever |
| 14:03.13 | Termana | s/proposed/proposed?/ |
| 14:03.24 | DocScrutinizer | pabs3: there were users editing NOLO to get rid of NOKIA bootscreen |
| 14:03.28 | DocScrutinizer | worked |
| 14:03.36 | DocScrutinizer | won't work on N950 |
| 14:03.55 | MohammadAG | hmm, can't open any sites in firefox |
| 14:04.04 | vi__ | DocScrutinizer: does that mean I can have a tux bootscreen? |
| 14:04.04 | MohammadAG | I'd call my ISP, but they'd probably say the internet is down |
| 14:04.23 | Venemo | something is really messed up in my SDK :( |
| 14:04.37 | DocScrutinizer | vi__: on N900 NOLO you probably could, if you figured the image format of the NOLO screen |
| 14:04.52 | DocScrutinizer | err NOKIA screen of NOLO |
| 14:04.53 | pabs3 | Termana: Debian stuff |
| 14:05.12 | jonwil | so yeah replacing maemo stack with ofono is not going to happen hence why being able to play with the existing stack would be very useful... |
| 14:05.13 | Termana | pabs3, that will still work |
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| 14:06.03 | Termana | jonwil, well sure, if your going to stay on maemo 5 then it's not a good choice |
| 14:06.09 | alterego | Where's the maemo dbus docs on the wiki? |
| 14:06.17 | cloudyLights | lardman: what is the name of that deamon : prox...? |
| 14:06.19 | Termana | But, I don't see much reason to do that |
| 14:06.30 | lardman | proximus |
| 14:06.35 | jonwil | I am staying on maemo because there is no better option for the N900 yet |
| 14:06.41 | cloudyLights | thanks |
| 14:06.42 | lardman | still wip though |
| 14:06.50 | jonwil | and there is unlikely to be one anytime soon |
| 14:07.36 | jonwil | given that, messing with the maemo cell stack is the only option available unless you are willing to sacrifice functionality and/or live on the bleeding edge |
| 14:07.51 | jonwil | Neither of which I plan to do on my main phone |
| 14:07.52 | DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: please tell me what I did wrong. I'm not bitching on anything except aegis intentionally, Sorry if you got that different |
| 14:08.13 | jonwil | Why does nokia want this security system anyway? |
| 14:08.27 | DocScrutinizer | THAT is a good question |
| 14:08.56 | pabs3 | imagines they do it for most Symbian/etc phones |
| 14:09.20 | GAN900 | carriers, drm |
| 14:09.55 | cloudyLights | I am sorry I didnt apply before |
| 14:10.30 | jonwil | carriers (wireless and wired) need to realize that the world is moving towards a situation where they are just dumb pipes and stop standing in the way of that move |
| 14:10.30 | cloudyLights | was too occupied with my application and this new job |
| 14:10.36 | Jaffa | jonwil: The N9 was *going* to be Nokia's flagship consumer-focused phone. One of the justifications for Aegis given in Amsterdam was for protecting video content purchased online. |
| 14:11.10 | flux | I can easily see another justification as well: protecting the user from applications |
| 14:11.21 | flux | should there ever have been a big application marketplace |
| 14:12.01 | flux | although I wonder if aegis really would be able to do that.. |
| 14:12.54 | Venemo | hiemanshu, ping |
| 14:16.03 | jonwil | anyway, the point of #meego, cssu and etc is not to replace Fremantle but to find ways to make Fremantle better. Part of that may well mean reverse engineering some of the Nokia stuff and figuring out how it works or how to talk to it :) |
| 14:16.30 | MohammadAG | Jaffa, speaking of which, does this aegis thing exist in the N95? |
| 14:16.35 | DocScrutinizer | honestly I wonder why X-Fade gone mad on me - maybe I may post a link here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Computing#Criticism |
| 14:16.35 | Venemo | jonwil, what's the point? just use MeeGo CE. |
| 14:16.39 | Jaffa | MohammadAG: N95 or M950? |
| 14:16.47 | Jaffa | s/M9/N9/ |
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| 14:17.04 | MohammadAG | Jaffa, N95 |
| 14:17.25 | MohammadAG | that thing had dcf files which wouldn't play on other devices |
| 14:17.26 | Jaffa | MohammadAG: The 3 year old Symbian phone? |
| 14:17.30 | jonwil | MeeGo CE is NOT a viable replacement for Fremantle |
| 14:17.33 | vi__ | ***cough***someone leak the code to all fremantle components***cough*** |
| 14:17.41 | Venemo | jonwil, why is that? |
| 14:17.43 | MohammadAG | thought it was 5 |
| 14:17.54 | Jaffa | MohammadAG: Oh, no. Aegis is built on top of POSIX permissions, chroots and users |
| 14:17.57 | Venemo | MohammadAG, it's a 2007 device, so 4 years old |
| 14:17.58 | Jaffa | MohammadAG: I was going to say 5 ;-) |
| 14:17.58 | pabs3 | hmm, quim suggested I ask about the bootloader stuff on meego-handset |
| 14:18.03 | frals | Jaffa: chroots? |
| 14:18.14 | frals | Jaffa: obscure black magic, I would say. :( |
| 14:18.14 | Jaffa | vi__: Why? Couldn't be used in CSSU if it was |
| 14:18.40 | jonwil | MeeGo CE does not have all the features of Fremantle |
| 14:18.48 | SpeedEvil | I suspect the point of Aegis wasn't for the N9. |
| 14:18.51 | Jaffa | frals: Well, true. The *design* of it was quite sensible, but could be used for good or ill (from our PoV) - that's the impression I got in Amsterdam anyway |
| 14:19.00 | lardman | heads for home to write a paper |
| 14:19.03 | Venemo | jonwil, which one is easier? to enhance MeeGo CE for your needs or to reverse-engineer Fremantle? |
| 14:19.04 | lardman | catch you tomorrow all |
| 14:19.07 | Jaffa | SpeedEvil: It was; but remember the point of N9 changed after Feb 11th |
| 14:19.08 | SpeedEvil | It was designed at a time when _all_ future phones were going to be meego. |
| 14:19.14 | vi__ | jaffa appart from your own morals who will stop you? No one cares for this old device. Also it gives you a SERIOUS headstart WRT to rewriting closed parts. |
| 14:19.16 | Jaffa | SpeedEvil: Well, true - good point. |
| 14:19.22 | Venemo | jonwil, also, you can use Cordia with MeeGo CE which provides Fremantle's UX |
| 14:19.23 | Termana | jonwil, are you kidding? The point of #meego is not to make fremantle better |
| 14:19.26 | Jaffa | vi__: Copyright law, for one. |
| 14:19.40 | SpeedEvil | So it's kinda like a nuclear bomber that's ended up being deployed to keep kids off the lawn. |
| 14:19.42 | jonwil | I meant #maemo not #meego |
| 14:19.48 | Jaffa | vi__: And given the CSSU is hosted on maemo.org, and enjoys good relations with Nokia, and Nokia pay for maemo.org - why do you think? |
| 14:19.56 | javispedro | presents a stupid webapp that might be useful: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?p=24234#post24234 |
| 14:19.56 | Jaffa | SpeedEvil: Good analogy :) |
| 14:20.33 | Jaffa | javispedro: Genius |
| 14:20.58 | Venemo | javispedro, you've just saved me! |
| 14:21.09 | Venemo | javispedro, are you planning to do an OpenTTD port for Harmattan? |
| 14:21.17 | Jaffa | javispedro: Does it make the icons fit into the borders conformant with the guideliens? |
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| 14:21.23 | javispedro | Venemo: you bet =) |
| 14:21.40 | Venemo | javispedro, I think you are! |
| 14:21.44 | javispedro | Jaffa: if I understood the guidelines well, yes. Size of background layer is 80x80, size of icon is 56x56 |
| 14:22.01 | javispedro | but that's why I am posting, let's see if someone criticises :) |
| 14:22.11 | Jaffa | javispedro: Cool |
| 14:22.45 | khertan | javispedro: whahou ! cool ... i m far to be an icon designer ... will try it now ... : |
| 14:22.46 | khertan | :) |
| 14:22.56 | Venemo | javispedro, the edges of the background layer seem to be poorly antialiased, but that won't be visible on the 4" screen anyway. |
| 14:22.57 | X-Fade | javispedro: Afaik they need to be bigger? |
| 14:23.19 | jonwil | I just wish Nokia would come out and say that they never actually planned to open anything as part of the "license change requests" BS :P |
| 14:23.25 | javispedro | Venemo: yes, either way I believe it is suggested to use svg files for launcher icons |
| 14:23.29 | javispedro | instead of pngs |
| 14:23.46 | Venemo | well, I will use pngs anyway. I don't have enough inkscape skills for svg |
| 14:23.48 | javispedro | the rendering is done using QtSvg to check if it looks well (svg is too complex and qtsvg sometimes does a disaster) |
| 14:23.49 | Jaffa | javispedro: Got an error when re-submitting. Took http://gitorious.org/attitude/attitude/blobs/master/attitude.svg and submitted it with defaults. Then submitted with nothing (got an error). Then submitted with the same file again, but set to mean and greys at 5bpp. Got a load of "Argument #2 should be an array in ..../index.php line 123, 149, 150, 123, 157, 123, 163 and 123" |
| 14:24.07 | Termana | jonwil, they did open things from that. There's a list on the wiki somewhere |
| 14:24.52 | DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: would you mind to explain why you gone mad at me, please |
| 14:25.15 | DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: I'm not feeling good about it |
| 14:25.26 | Jaffa | javispedro: Seems to be the "greys at 5bpp per channel" which causes me problems |
| 14:25.58 | javispedro | Jaffa: yes, I understand you dislike the black dominant color =) |
| 14:26.17 | Jaffa | javispedro: Other suggestion, allow picking (or just specifying the hex code) of a dominant colour |
| 14:26.28 | Jaffa | javispedro: ...and still get the fade and the other suggestions :) |
| 14:26.29 | SpeedEvil | On the topic of webapps that may be useful: |
| 14:26.53 | SpeedEvil | http://www.tiddlywiki.com/ |
| 14:26.59 | SpeedEvil | A javascript in-browser wiki. |
| 14:27.05 | vi__ | can anyone suggest an app that will let me 'browse' web pages as such? |
| 14:27.11 | SpeedEvil | Save-as - and you're done. |
| 14:27.20 | SpeedEvil | vi__: I assume you don't mean a browser? |
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| 14:27.52 | DocScrutinizer | seems I made it on X-Fade's ignore list - meh |
| 14:27.53 | khertan | javispedro: http://depot.javispedro.com/nit/hicg/files/4e0c87a7557be_icon.svg |
| 14:27.55 | SpeedEvil | You need to set file permissions on a persistant basis for that webpage though. |
| 14:28.00 | DocScrutinizer | o/ |
| 14:28.06 | SpeedEvil | (ideally) |
| 14:28.10 | khertan | pretty good ! |
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| 14:28.30 | SpeedEvil | A 'theme' for that - optimising touch would be awesome. |
| 14:28.31 | javispedro | khertan: yes, but I dislike black |
| 14:28.49 | javispedro | khertan: when I fix grey5 try it, it should get you a yellow one |
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| 14:29.50 | MohammadAG | javispedro, khertan how do you do svg files |
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| 14:30.03 | javispedro | MohammadAG: inkscape |
| 14:30.08 | vi__ | SpeedEvil: that is very cool |
| 14:30.24 | vi__ | SpeedEvil: if only I could serve it from my n900 |
| 14:30.27 | vi__ | !!! |
| 14:31.14 | vi__ | SpeedEvil: and it syncs!! |
| 14:31.59 | SpeedEvil | vi__: yes - there are sync modules for it. Lots of modules. Also - #tiddlywiki |
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| 14:32.22 | SpeedEvil | Seem to be some devs there - or were. |
| 14:32.36 | vi__ | SpeedEvil: #tiddly on freenode? |
| 14:32.38 | khertan | javispedro: yep say me when it s fixed ... |
| 14:33.01 | khertan | the icon is a bit too dark i think |
| 14:33.12 | SpeedEvil | #tiddlywiki |
| 14:33.33 | khertan | MohammadAG: i don't create svg, i extract them from CC Icon Archive :) |
| 14:35.47 | javispedro | khertan: it gets slightly more bluish |
| 14:36.04 | javispedro | looks a bit better imho |
| 14:36.35 | javispedro | khertan: also: you cannot link svgs to forum, use pngs for that |
| 14:37.31 | alterego | Anyone heard anything back yet after sending AID? |
| 14:37.33 | X-Fade | javispedro: Modern browsers can show them :) |
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| 14:37.45 | Jaffa | javispedro: Ah, ignoring greys works better and gets me blue. |
| 14:37.47 | javispedro | Jaffa: your new attitude bluish icon: http://depot.javispedro.com/nit/hicg/files/4e0c8a1419871_icon.svg |
| 14:37.49 | javispedro | ;) |
| 14:37.57 | Jaffa | javispedro: You could autorotate to 30deg as per the guidelines as well ;-) |
| 14:37.59 | Termana | javispedro, Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 94371840 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 71 bytes) in /home/javispedro/srv/depot/nit/hicg/index.php on line 76 |
| 14:38.05 | Termana | javispedro, too big of a file? |
| 14:38.13 | Jaffa | javispedro: It's great - thank you |
| 14:38.29 | javispedro | Termana: yes, or you are sending too many colors |
| 14:39.14 | javispedro | ;P |
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| 14:40.49 | Termana | javispedro, the file is only 3.5KB - must be the colours |
| 14:40.55 | javispedro | Termana: have linkie? |
| 14:41.23 | Termana | javispedro, here is the original jpeg - http://www.clipartguide.com/_thumbs/0511-1001-1318-4338.jpg |
| 14:41.41 | javispedro | ah, I need to check on rasters-embedded-on-svg |
| 14:42.35 | javispedro | has to get back to work =) |
| 14:43.17 | GeneralAntilles | http://thousandsparrows.com/meego/images/proto_icon_purple.png or http://thousandsparrows.com/meego/images/proto_icon.png |
| 14:43.21 | GeneralAntilles | (Logo will change) |
| 14:43.32 | javispedro | GeneralAntilles: hehe, aperture science one =) |
| 14:43.36 | GeneralAntilles | Sort of |
| 14:43.41 | GeneralAntilles | Aperture Science has got more blades |
| 14:43.47 | GeneralAntilles | So not a DIRECT ripoff. *g* |
| 14:44.06 | javispedro | you could call it Maeperture =) |
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| 14:44.22 | javispedro | j/k |
| 14:44.26 | SpeedEvil | GeneralAntilles: What's this? A will it blend app? |
| 14:44.43 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: Orange. And don't change it! |
| 14:45.08 | khertan | SpeedEvil: lol |
| 14:45.11 | javispedro | actually purple also looks ok, and will probably leave more of an impact |
| 14:45.44 | khertan | http://depot.javispedro.com/nit/hicg/files/4e0c8ab50a49a_icon.png |
| 14:45.48 | khertan | ^ KhtEditor |
| 14:46.04 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, was thinking about circular aperture blades. |
| 14:46.07 | SpeedEvil | khertan: Looks nice - and should work well on OLED |
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| 14:46.14 | Jaffa | javispedro: Thanks. Anyway, new icon now in gitorious :) |
| 14:46.18 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: Circular? |
| 14:46.23 | GeneralAntilles | Er |
| 14:46.24 | GeneralAntilles | Rounded |
| 14:46.26 | khertan | javispedro: yep Thx ! |
| 14:46.37 | noobmonk3y | prods MohammadAG |
| 14:46.42 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: Ah, OK. Concept is cool, then - change the realisation but keep the concept |
| 14:47.13 | javispedro | khertan: Jaffa: yw! |
| 14:47.14 | noobmonk3y | throws a bucket of soggy trouts at frals |
| 14:47.43 | GeneralAntilles | javispedro, you forgot the drop shadow. :P |
| 14:48.19 | MohammadAG | prods noobmonk3y |
| 14:48.32 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Yes, true. They all seem to have that. |
| 14:48.36 | noobmonk3y | giggles |
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| 14:49.45 | crashanddie | haha |
| 14:49.57 | crashanddie | colleague at work just challenged us to try to DDoS their new server |
| 14:50.08 | crashanddie | simple ping flood from 3 other servers locked up their machine |
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| 14:53.00 | alterego | Has anyone had any thing back after sending Quim the Account ID? |
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| 14:53.45 | X-Fade | People.. really... he is one guy. Give it some time. You won't get the device before the weekend anyway :) |
| 14:53.58 | alterego | Ya-Ya :P |
| 14:54.08 | alterego | I just thought there'd be some automation :P |
| 14:54.24 | X-Fade | Not for an ad hoc, 250 piece giveaway. |
| 14:54.55 | alterego | fair point |
| 14:55.07 | frals | so anyone seens transformers 3? i hear rumours about a n950 in it |
| 14:55.13 | frals | might just have to go watch it ;( |
| 14:55.17 | alterego | I heard those rumours too |
| 14:55.21 | alterego | Wanna see it |
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| 14:55.58 | Jaffa | doesn't want to go and see it on the off-chance. I'd rather have one in my hands ;-) |
| 14:56.10 | GeneralAntilles | http://thousandsparrows.com/meego/images/proto_icon_lightmeter_branded.png and http://thousandsparrows.com/meego/images/proto_icon_lightmeter.png |
| 14:56.21 | noobmonk3y | frals: nope :( bahhhh... no time for tv :( |
| 14:56.34 | frals | oi noobmonk3y! long time! ;) |
| 14:56.37 | crashanddie | so... |
| 14:56.47 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: Change the circular top of the second to *be* the "brand logo" |
| 14:56.48 | crashanddie | you know it's just marketing for a phone you'll have soon |
| 14:56.50 | noobmonk3y | hehe i've been around just not ircing :p |
| 14:56.52 | crashanddie | yet you still want to go see the movie? |
| 14:56.56 | noobmonk3y | keep forgetting to reinstall it :) |
| 14:57.06 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, the lightmeter head? |
| 14:57.10 | Jaffa | crashanddie: Maybe alterego *likes* the Transformers movies |
| 14:57.11 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: yeah |
| 14:57.35 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: I didn't want to use a technical term as I'd almost certainly get it wrong - been *far* too long since I did proper photography (at school) |
| 14:57.42 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 14:58.02 | noobmonk3y | Has anyone else noticed that Sergey Ivanov is on the #n950 accepted list twice... lucky him ;) |
| 14:58.14 | Jaffa | noobmonk3y: Yes, it has been noticed |
| 14:58.17 | noobmonk3y | :) |
| 14:58.50 | frals | or maybe its just a common name? ;) |
| 14:59.58 | crashanddie | is anyone using meego on the desktop? |
| 15:00.22 | mr_jrt | Hey. I've patched a package, and am trying to build the deb for it. I did everything on my device, but dpkg-buildpackage fails due to busybox's gzip not supporting the '-n' argument. So I switched over to try and build it using madde, and have hacked in the extra lib from the device, but again, cannot build the deb due to the package using autotools (which MADDE apparently doesn't support), so the configure stuff falls apart. :( |
| 15:00.22 | mgedmin | how often does maep update map tiles, I wonder |
| 15:01.14 | Jaffa | mgedmin: Cache invalidation. Second hardest problem in computer science (after naming things) |
| 15:01.30 | mgedmin | yep |
| 15:01.30 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, interesting. Needs more stylization, though, I think. http://thousandsparrows.com/meego/images/lightmeter_head.png |
| 15:01.42 | mgedmin | I wish mappero used the same tile cache as maep |
| 15:02.56 | khertan | mr_jrt: you can't package on device due to busy box limitation ... if it s a pure python package you can use sdist_maemo |
| 15:04.11 | MohammadAG | frals, C7 methinks |
| 15:06.00 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: Oh, I meant use the Aperture Science bit *as* the light meter head, but keep the body. However, the body's aspect ratio won't make a good icon anyway |
| 15:06.04 | Jaffa | (I don't think) |
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| 15:06.38 | frals | MohammadAG: i heard x7 and n950 |
| 15:06.41 | mr_jrt | khertan: C++ shared lib. |
| 15:07.10 | MohammadAG | Jaffa, doesn't he have to ask GLaDOS |
| 15:07.38 | Jaffa | MohammadAG: Only if he wants cake |
| 15:08.07 | GeneralAntilles | Ah, I see. |
| 15:09.34 | noobmonk3y | right back laters again - off to a meeting |
| 15:09.42 | SpeedEvil | Oooh! /me notices http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=24212&postcount=184 and realises he doesn't have email. |
| 15:09.42 | SpeedEvil | Woo! |
| 15:10.17 | SpeedEvil | Well - not thrown out with the obvious crap anyway. |
| 15:13.40 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, I'll have to see if I can play with the ratios a bit to fit more in. . . . http://thousandsparrows.com/meego/images/lightmeter_mod.png |
| 15:16.05 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: Yeah |
| 15:21.00 | SpeedEvil | GeneralAntilles: An analog meter might work better in the icon |
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| 15:21.48 | GeneralAntilles | SpeedEvil, yeah, rm_you proposed a light bulb with a dial in front. |
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| 15:21.50 | alterego | thass what I said :D |
| 15:22.03 | alterego | GeneralAntilles: no, that was me :P |
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| 15:22.16 | GeneralAntilles | Ah, whomever, then. |
| 15:22.26 | alterego | (bitch) :P |
| 15:23.07 | SpeedEvil | The above may be a little fiddly on-screen at the final size |
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| 15:23.44 | Gyjf | im having a problem with my n900 where nonexistant wifi networks show up in the stock wifi connection program |
| 15:24.03 | SpeedEvil | Sure they're not neighbouring? |
| 15:24.18 | Gyjf | i connected once and now they are showing up every time i wanna connect to something |
| 15:24.33 | Gyjf | yes, im sure that they are not there |
| 15:24.56 | SpeedEvil | Odd. |
| 15:25.02 | Gyjf | also, theres a dot over the signal strength indicator |
| 15:25.07 | SpeedEvil | Does areboot cure this? |
| 15:25.20 | Gyjf | nope, it dosnt |
| 15:26.40 | alterego | it means they're adhoc |
| 15:27.05 | DocScrutinizer | btw: aegis conflicts with uBoot |
| 15:27.12 | Gyjf | aha |
| 15:27.15 | alterego | Which means they are always available after configuring them, to remove them delete them from the network connections in settings. |
| 15:27.39 | Gyjf | thank you :) |
| 15:27.47 | Gyjf | that actually makes sense |
| 15:28.54 | alterego | :) |
| 15:29.39 | Gyjf | aaand problem solved :D |
| 15:29.43 | Gyjf | stupid adhoc |
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| 15:30.42 | SpeedEvil | Adhoc is basically turn the reciever on in promisc mode, and blast out raw tcp/ip hoping that that fixes all packet losses? |
| 15:30.57 | SpeedEvil | Never actually set itup. |
| 15:31.53 | Gyjf | something like that |
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| 15:33.13 | Gyjf | but i think a mesh network would be better than adhoc anyway |
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| 15:35.22 | hiemanshu | Venemo: pong? |
| 15:36.08 | Venemo | hiemanshu, does the SDK work for you on F15? |
| 15:36.41 | hiemanshu | Venemo: which one? |
| 15:37.39 | hiemanshu | Venemo: harmattan sbox one? |
| 15:38.36 | GAN900 | Ugh |
| 15:38.53 | GAN900 | The DHL truck pulled up out front when I was walking to the car. |
| 15:38.58 | GAN900 | Freaked out for a second. |
| 15:39.13 | Venemo | hiemanshu, yes |
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| 15:39.20 | Venemo | GAN900 ? |
| 15:39.32 | hiemanshu | Venemo: yes, use the .py installer, no patches required for this |
| 15:39.41 | Venemo | hiemanshu, it doesn't work for me |
| 15:39.48 | Venemo | hiemanshu, the Xephyr window stays empty, black |
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| 15:39.51 | hiemanshu | Venemo: hmm, what does it say? |
| 15:39.55 | Jaffa | GAN900: Heh |
| 15:39.55 | hiemanshu | Venemo: ah |
| 15:39.56 | Venemo | hiemanshu, no error messages |
| 15:40.20 | hiemanshu | Venemo: you have to start Xephyr, and at the same time do a meego-sb-session start |
| 15:40.27 | hiemanshu | Venemo: let me get you the exact commands |
| 15:40.37 | Venemo | hiemanshu, yes, I did that. I used the commands from the docs |
| 15:40.57 | mr_jrt | Bodged it :) Grabbed an armel version of gzip from ubuntu's site, dumped it in /usr/local/bin and it all works fine. |
| 15:41.06 | hiemanshu | Venemo: odd, works fine for me |
| 15:42.18 | Venemo | hmm |
| 15:42.51 | GAN900 | Venemo, Nokia usually ships devices via DHL |
| 15:43.03 | GAN900 | and since nobody else uses DHL in the US.... |
| 15:43.10 | hiemanshu | Venemo: echo $DISPLAY in the sbox shell |
| 15:43.33 | Jaffa | GAN900: And they are shipping the N950s via DHL as well. |
| 15:44.16 | Jaffa | GAN900: I've got a DHL tracking number for mine, but I *think* (from its status), it's sitting in Nokia's Goods Outwards department, and isn't flying over the Nordics on its way to me :-( |
| 15:45.12 | Termana | Jaffa, you only ordered a few hours ago - no mail is that fast! :p |
| 15:45.16 | SpeedEvil | imagines n950s with the power of flight. |
| 15:45.35 | SpeedEvil | Damn - I should have added a quadcopter app. |
| 15:45.50 | MohammadAG | it's all Linus's fault, he should've picked a flying bird as the mascot! |
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| 15:48.16 | Jaffa | Termana: I'm hoping for a flurry of activity overnight |
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| 15:50.36 | obcecado | hello guys, im experiencing issues while trying to associate with a wireless network (802.1x peap mschapv2 with certificate) |
| 15:51.05 | obcecado | it turns out, when i enter all the details, maemo asks me for the cert passwod ? |
| 15:51.08 | obcecado | which i dont have |
| 15:52.10 | obcecado | any hints ? |
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| 15:55.35 | SpeedEvil | I should have done better app pages. Meh. |
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| 16:01.10 | hiemanshu | khertan: congrats btw :D |
| 16:04.14 | Venemo | hiemanshu, I did 'export DISPLAY=:2' |
| 16:04.24 | Venemo | before meego-sb-session start |
| 16:05.13 | hiemanshu | Venemo: hmm, works fine here |
| 16:05.38 | GAN900 | recalls DHL dropping off the September proto with the apartment leasing office. |
| 16:08.09 | Jaffa | Damn, realised we're well past Helsinki office hours now; so it seems unlikely that anything'll be happening with my device leaving Nokia tonight |
| 16:08.21 | Jaffa | So, Monday delivery (hopefully) |
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| 16:09.14 | timsamoff | Jaffa: So you got word? |
| 16:09.25 | timsamoff | missed something. |
| 16:10.29 | frals | bah, downside with doing what you love for a living is you try to avoid it on your free time... |
| 16:11.47 | Jaffa | timsamoff: Cos my Nokia Developer account was already, everything was synced up & I was able to order. |
| 16:13.13 | timsamoff | Jaffa: Ah, cool! |
| 16:15.47 | MohammadAG | o/ timsamoff |
| 16:16.20 | timsamoff | \o MohammadAG ;) |
| 16:16.52 | frals | in case i didnt link it here earlier, Nokia is sponsoring Stockholm Fashion Week in August to show the N9 0:} |
| 16:17.37 | SpeedEvil | Free n9s to hot models. |
| 16:17.52 | SpeedEvil | I wonder if any of them can code. |
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| 16:19.26 | Corsac | so nokia already settled on n950s to developers? |
| 16:19.53 | SpeedEvil | Sortof. |
| 16:19.58 | SpeedEvil | There are two programs. |
| 16:20.03 | SpeedEvil | Commercial side. |
| 16:20.08 | Corsac | yeah but the one from meego.com? |
| 16:20.08 | SpeedEvil | And then open-source side |
| 16:20.18 | SpeedEvil | open-source side is 250 - commercial side is more |
| 16:20.38 | SpeedEvil | 123? of the open source ones have been allocated |
| 16:20.48 | frals | 133 i think? |
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| 16:21.05 | SpeedEvil | Oh - I though this was another channel - my bad. |
| 16:21.08 | Corsac | mhmh, no mail received :( |
| 16:21.13 | SpeedEvil | So I wasn't bothering with round numbers. |
| 16:21.22 | SpeedEvil | Corsac: That's good though - it means you've not been binned |
| 16:21.31 | SpeedEvil | So 50:50 chance. |
| 16:21.36 | SpeedEvil | (neglecting lots) |
| 16:21.38 | Corsac | :) |
| 16:21.44 | Corsac | SpeedEvil: do elected people got a mail? |
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| 16:22.26 | SpeedEvil | Corsac: Those in the first round I think got mail - the 133 |
| 16:22.38 | SpeedEvil | And the 250? that were rejected |
| 16:22.46 | Corsac | any idea what From is used? |
| 16:23.19 | Jaffa | Oooh, no - having said that: mine has been "Processed at HELSINKI-FINLAND" :-D |
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| 16:24.18 | Jaffa | frals: Hmm, I might have to go back to Swedbank in August and get some backstage time with some hot Swedish models. |
| 16:24.32 | frals | Jaffa: :D |
| 16:24.39 | Jaffa | frals: Having seen the median Swedish woman, I can't imagine what the models must be like ;-) |
| 16:24.45 | frals | ;) |
| 16:24.57 | frals | (guess why I'm moving back to .SE ;)) |
| 16:24.59 | Jaffa | frals: And you get Crown Princess Victoria, we get Prince William. |
| 16:25.13 | Jaffa | frals: Josefina's on a summer evening - bliss. |
| 16:25.27 | frals | Jaffa: We have Princess Madeleine ;-) |
| 16:26.21 | Corsac | Jaffa: can you tell the From:/Enveloppe-From: in the mail your received (assuming you did receive a selection mail from meego.com for n950) |
| 16:27.12 | MohammadAG | no changes to the list yet? |
| 16:27.25 | Jaffa | Corsac: I didn't get the meego.com email, brecause everything was already set up with my Nokia Developer account. The logs have the From & Subject that I got from developer.nokia.com |
| 16:27.34 | Corsac | ok |
| 16:28.02 | Termana | frals, my oh my - you DO have Princess Madeleine |
| 16:28.22 | Termana | Corsac, comes from Quim |
| 16:28.43 | GeneralAntilles | timsamoff, hey-ho. |
| 16:29.06 | MohammadAG | Termana, Karaoke app :D |
| 16:29.17 | Corsac | Termana: thanks :) |
| 16:29.19 | Termana | MohammadAG, *TROLL FACE* |
| 16:29.41 | Termana | MohammadAG, see, you should have stolen my idea, then you would have got an N950! |
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| 16:30.05 | Termana | Not such a bad idea after all now was it MohammadAG? :p |
| 16:30.11 | MohammadAG | I never knew you did development :p |
| 16:30.38 | timsamoff | Hi GeneralAntilles! |
| 16:31.07 | Termana | yeah, nah man, I sit around on me arse and drink beer like a typical 'stralian |
| 16:32.41 | dm8tbr | fosters? |
| 16:33.27 | Termana | dm8tbr, I see you know some people who drive commonwhores |
| 16:34.08 | Termana | s/commonwhores/commodores/ |
| 16:34.51 | dm8tbr | sorry, couldn't resist a stereotype |
| 16:35.04 | Termana | :p |
| 16:35.36 | Jaffa | frals: Wow, Princess Madeleine... wow. |
| 16:35.46 | Jaffa | frals: And your King looks like Jim Broadbent! |
| 16:36.24 | frals | ;D |
| 16:36.47 | Jaffa | It's very disturbing coming through Arlanda and seeing all the "this is my home town" and seeing Jim Broadbent. |
| 16:36.49 | GeneralAntilles | updates the Qt SDK. |
| 16:37.07 | frals | haha |
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| 16:40.15 | frals | https://twitter.com/#!/klasstrom/status/86468867412598784 |
| 16:42.00 | Termana | I'm off to bed, good night all |
| 16:42.06 | SpeedEvil | Night! |
| 16:42.47 | GAN900 | RST38h, ping? |
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| 16:48.48 | edheldil | a bit simplistic question, but what are the recommended brands of Micro SDHC I should use for n900? SanDisks have only class 2 here |
| 16:49.46 | alterego | Still no email from quim about the AID :( |
| 16:50.17 | GAN900 | lol |
| 16:50.30 | alterego | hungry ... |
| 16:50.36 | alterego | wonders off. |
| 16:50.44 | frals | alterego: i read that as "about the AIDS" |
| 16:50.46 | dm8tbr | edheldil: the class thingy sucks as it doesn't say about random access. |
| 16:51.34 | dm8tbr | edheldil: but class 6 seems to be about what performs ok enough for things like e.g. meego installs |
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| 16:53.35 | Venemo | [17:42] <GAN900> Venemo, Nokia usually ships devices via DHL ---> that is good to hear :) |
| 16:54.00 | Venemo | alterego, no email for me either |
| 16:54.02 | alterego | you get a tracking number as well apparently. |
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| 16:55.21 | Venemo | I just wish it to be here already |
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| 16:56.51 | alterego | Heh, soon enough |
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| 16:57.15 | Venemo | how soon? |
| 16:57.48 | alterego | Soon |
| 16:57.52 | Venemo | soon⢠(as with CCP) ? |
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| 16:58.58 | frals | blizzard soon |
| 16:59.04 | alterego | I just think Quim might be drowning in our AIDs |
| 16:59.20 | frals | CCP soon is too soon! |
| 16:59.43 | MohammadAG | I just want my name on the wiki /me cries |
| 17:00.15 | macmaN | so what is the deal, MohammadAG still isnt certain? |
| 17:00.23 | alterego | MohammadAG: "don't worry" |
| 17:00.30 | macmaN | maybe your name is alphabetically so behind |
| 17:00.33 | macmaN | knawmean? |
| 17:00.48 | alterego | I think it's to do with export rules to his country :P |
| 17:01.03 | MohammadAG | I already got an N900 shipped here :p |
| 17:01.14 | alterego | That wasn't a loan :P |
| 17:01.38 | MohammadAG | it was, it was just never asked for :p |
| 17:01.38 | MohammadAG | yet |
| 17:01.42 | MohammadAG | that's why I kept it in out of the box new condition |
| 17:01.50 | MohammadAG | it even has the sticker on the back |
| 17:02.14 | alterego | "Dear MAG, we're writing to tell you, instead of getting an N950, we want all your N900s back" |
| 17:02.26 | alterego | chortles |
| 17:02.28 | frals | i remember first time i went to HEL and met quim |
| 17:02.46 | MohammadAG | <alterego> MohammadAG: "don't worry" <-- this and that ^ contradict :P |
| 17:02.47 | frals | he pretty much threw a n900 box at me and never heard about it again |
| 17:03.03 | alterego | MohammadAG: sure, take the first answer ;) |
| 17:03.11 | MohammadAG | cries |
| 17:03.25 | alterego | MohammadAG: seriously, don't worrk :) |
| 17:03.28 | MohammadAG | frals, does the N9 come with MMS? :P |
| 17:03.38 | alterego | heh, harmattan has MMS |
| 17:03.41 | frals | tries to update Qt SDK and install Harmattan toolchain |
| 17:03.44 | frals | MohammadAG: yes |
| 17:03.51 | frals | ;) |
| 17:03.52 | timsamoff | Have a good day everyone. ;) |
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| 17:06.43 | alterego | frals: did you do it? :) |
| 17:06.52 | frals | no ;< |
| 17:07.00 | alterego | Heh |
| 17:07.09 | alterego | But you have an N9 so you can do one :P |
| 17:07.17 | frals | most of the fun stuff was done when i was up to speed on stuff |
| 17:07.24 | alterego | Ah right |
| 17:08.16 | frals | can see some of the stuff did at meego.gitorious.org thou ;-) (not mms related) |
| 17:08.31 | alterego | :) |
| 17:08.59 | alterego | I'm thinking of disabling meego mls for a bit, keep getting notifications, that aren't from launchpad! |
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| 17:09.20 | frals | alterego: filters = win |
| 17:09.41 | frals | anything from meego MLs goes straight to subfolders without notification :P |
| 17:10.39 | GAN900 | Ugh |
| 17:10.45 | GAN900 | Mailing list overload. |
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| 17:25.15 | MohammadAG | frals, I'm guessing your MMS implementation is open? :P |
| 17:28.22 | frals | gitorious.org/fmms always been :p |
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| 17:33.44 | kerio | MMSes are evil, i say |
| 17:33.44 | kerio | evil |
| 17:33.50 | kerio | avoid them! |
| 17:33.58 | kerio | frals is the devil! |
| 17:34.52 | hiemanshu | Venemo: sorry I was away, didja get it to work? |
| 17:35.04 | MohammadAG | frals, Harmattan :P |
| 17:35.04 | MohammadAG | cause it's probably C++ there ;) |
| 17:35.11 | Venemo | hiemanshu, no, I gave up |
| 17:35.21 | Venemo | hiemanshu, I'll probably just use MADDE anyway once the device gets here |
| 17:37.42 | hiemanshu | Venemo: well, I have it working |
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| 17:38.11 | Venemo | hiemanshu, good for you :) |
| 17:38.57 | hiemanshu | Venemo: Well, you should try to do a meego-sb-session start after a couple of seconds delay after the Xephyr command, and try removing -extension Composite |
| 17:40.06 | Venemo | hiemanshu, hm |
| 17:40.12 | Venemo | hiemanshu, I will try |
| 17:40.30 | hiemanshu | Venemo: for me at times it fails to start with -extenstion Composite |
| 17:40.34 | hiemanshu | but works just fine without it |
| 17:41.54 | Venemo | hiemanshu, okay, I'm trying |
| 17:43.21 | divan | got Google+ invite.. But can't apply it. Google+ says "try again later". |
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| 17:45.07 | hiemanshu | divan: right, they have exceeded limits or something |
| 17:45.15 | hiemanshu | also, if anyone cares, Steam Sale :D |
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| 17:50.53 | Atarii | Damn, it's only been a week and I've lost my N900 stylus already! Is there any offical replacement pack or reputable sources to buy from? |
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| 17:51.20 | Venemo | Atarii, as I recall, Fake sells them alongside his stands |
| 17:51.50 | Atarii | is that someone from here or foums? |
| 17:53.26 | kerio | Atarii: i bought one on ebay |
| 17:53.28 | kerio | felt bad, man |
| 17:53.29 | kerio | :( |
| 17:53.39 | Venemo | Atarii, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=43593 |
| 17:53.59 | Atarii | kerio does it fit ok into device? near enough to normal one? |
| 17:54.02 | Atarii | thanks Venemo :) |
| 17:54.08 | kerio | i bought a nokia one |
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| 17:57.42 | alterego | I just saw the last episode of quantum leep |
| 17:57.46 | alterego | ~leap .. |
| 17:57.52 | alterego | Forgot how sad it was :'( |
| 17:58.11 | achipa | heh |
| 17:58.18 | achipa | just ran QtInfo on N950 |
| 17:58.33 | achipa | and it says... Hardware features: Bluetooth, Camera, FM Radio, LED, Memory card, USB, Vibra, WiFi, SIM, GPS, Haptics |
| 17:58.44 | alterego | :) |
| 17:58.45 | hiemanshu | alterego: I take it you are getting a N950 too? |
| 17:58.58 | alterego | Yeah, at some point, when I hear back from Launchpad :D |
| 17:59.14 | alterego | Or Quim, or however it's going to work. |
| 17:59.49 | hiemanshu | alterego: so not in the first round? |
| 18:00.03 | alterego | Yeah |
| 18:00.07 | alterego | I was on the first list. |
| 18:00.26 | alterego | Got the acceptance email, replied back with my developer nokia account id |
| 18:00.30 | alterego | Just sitting waiting now .. |
| 18:01.24 | hiemanshu | alterego: ah, I dont know your real name but I saw columbus on the list :D |
| 18:01.35 | alterego | :) |
| 18:01.37 | alterego | Tom Swindell :P |
| 18:01.51 | hiemanshu | right |
| 18:02.27 | hiemanshu | alterego: Swindell is a mis-splet spindle with s,w,p and +l |
| 18:02.29 | hiemanshu | runs |
| 18:03.34 | hiemanshu | remembers that because some other Swindell I knew told me his name like that |
| 18:04.07 | alterego | Weird |
| 18:04.21 | alterego | I heard my name originates from pig farming in scotland |
| 18:04.24 | alterego | Wine Dale |
| 18:04.26 | alterego | Or something |
| 18:04.30 | alterego | Erm, Swine Dale |
| 18:05.15 | Venemo | alterego, interesting :) |
| 18:06.25 | alterego | Meh :) |
| 18:06.36 | alterego | I bet we were cutting edge MeeGo pig farmers |
| 18:06.48 | hiemanshu | well I am lucky not to have a weird name, esp likes the ones around here in India |
| 18:07.06 | Atarii | thanks Venemo, I've fired him off an email |
| 18:07.15 | hiemanshu | I have a friend whose full name is around 24 words |
| 18:07.32 | Atarii | "round 24 words"? were his parents on drugs? |
| 18:08.16 | hiemanshu | Atarii: well no, a lot of indians in south india have the names of loads of before generations, caste, village and other stuff like that |
| 18:08.51 | Atarii | ah, does that mean it's rare to have people with the same name? |
| 18:08.59 | hiemanshu | very |
| 18:09.11 | hiemanshu | 'Warnakulasuriya Patabendige Ushantha Joseph Chaminda Vaas' for example is a famous cricketer from Sri Lanka |
| 18:10.03 | Atarii | wow |
| 18:11.12 | hiemanshu | I am pretty sure the only name you can pronouce from that is Joseph :P |
| 18:11.51 | Atarii | agreed ;p |
| 18:17.45 | rm_work | GeneralAntilles: well, no email here yet either |
| 18:17.51 | rm_work | so, i guess that's good-ish |
| 18:18.17 | rm_work | i wouldn't expected my application to be a slam-dunk anyway since i basically stopped developing around the time i actually got an N900 <_< |
| 18:24.25 | mgedmin | jumps up and down excitedly |
| 18:24.46 | mgedmin | got an email! |
| 18:25.03 | DocScrutinizer | mgedmin: duh! |
| 18:25.27 | DocScrutinizer | I got a DHL notification ;-P |
| 18:26.00 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: it's called a spam |
| 18:26.05 | jacekowski | or a virus |
| 18:26.13 | DocScrutinizer | "please pick up your mail at..." - alas it's just some silly letter |
| 18:26.16 | jacekowski | if that's the one i'm thinking about |
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| 18:26.33 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: nope, it's a paper in my letterbox |
| 18:26.56 | DocScrutinizer | a card actually |
| 18:27.15 | jacekowski | oldschool |
| 18:27.19 | GeneralAntilles | Stupid Nokia better figure out my LaunchPad account. |
| 18:27.20 | DocScrutinizer | hehehe |
| 18:27.20 | GeneralAntilles | Bastards. |
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| 18:27.32 | rm_work | lol GeneralAntilles |
| 18:27.46 | rm_work | is that the same account as for the n900 dev program? |
| 18:27.57 | rm_work | because i had that account all set up back then, but never actually used the dev program |
| 18:28.11 | DocScrutinizer | I wonder when my mail arrives "Sorry, we've been informed you hate aegis. This device isn't for you" :-P |
| 18:29.10 | frals | DocScrutinizer: if hating aegis would revoke device access... well.... :P |
| 18:29.19 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 18:29.28 | DocScrutinizer | check your backscroll ;-) |
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| 18:44.03 | MohammadAG | YES I WAS ACCEPTED :D |
| 18:44.41 | X-Fade | No? Really? Who would have thought that :) |
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| 18:45.17 | Itschue | moin moin |
| 18:47.32 | Itschue | i want to play angry birds but what is better install preenv and install angry birds or install webos and us this for installing angry birds ? |
| 18:48.03 | Atarii | lol literally pressing Install button for Angry Birds and you typed that |
| 18:48.11 | X-Fade | Just install it from OVI? |
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| 18:48.56 | GAN900 | rm_work, no |
| 18:49.22 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: YAY! |
| 18:49.24 | GAN900 | At least, the LaunchPad stuff wasn't involved then. |
| 18:49.25 | Itschue | in ovi i only see the levelpacks |
| 18:49.31 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: NO MORE ANDROID AND DALVIK AND SHIT </rant> |
| 18:49.36 | GAN900 | MohammadAG, Quim comes through again. :P |
| 18:49.47 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: I still wonder, why not first round :/ |
| 18:50.18 | GAN900 | hiemanshu, I wouldn't try to divine too much from it. |
| 18:50.28 | Itschue | x-fade |
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| 18:54.26 | MohammadAG | X-Fade, I actually didn't think I was gonna make it :P |
| 18:54.29 | hiemanshu | hmmm, opencv really takes a lot of time to build :/ |
| 19:03.33 | DocScrutinizer | Itschue: angrybirds should be installable via hildon app manager I think |
| 19:04.32 | Atarii | yup |
| 19:04.34 | Itschue | in didnt see it in ham but i didnt have devel activ |
| 19:04.46 | DocScrutinizer | should be in extras |
| 19:04.57 | Itschue | with other name? |
| 19:04.57 | DocScrutinizer | search for bird |
| 19:05.10 | Itschue | i searched for angry |
| 19:05.11 | DocScrutinizer | you know the search option? |
| 19:05.21 | Itschue | yes still type in |
| 19:05.27 | DocScrutinizer | select "all" |
| 19:05.56 | hiemanshu | ok, I got opencv to build in sbox (after a couple of patches) |
| 19:06.00 | hiemanshu | for harmattan |
| 19:06.01 | DocScrutinizer | if you can't find it, check your list of installed apps in "uninstall" |
| 19:06.06 | Itschue | but i want to have option that shows the available packages in date order |
| 19:07.38 | Itschue | and for the future wich is the better way from these two install preenv and than the games or webos and with this the games? |
| 19:07.50 | Itschue | ham is fucking slow |
| 19:08.08 | Atarii | get Faster Application Manager |
| 19:08.42 | Itschue | i had trouble with fap man i dont want to use this anymore |
| 19:09.28 | Itschue | DocScrutinizer cant find angry birds by type bird or angry |
| 19:10.22 | Trizt | even FAM is slow, better to just use apt-get |
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| 19:10.49 | noobmonk3y | congrats MohammadAG :) :) |
| 19:10.49 | Atarii | Trizt true. Itschue use apt-cache search birds |
| 19:10.56 | noobmonk3y | and actually congrats to many peoples in here :) hehe |
| 19:11.02 | MohammadAG | thanks noobmonk3y :D |
| 19:11.17 | noobmonk3y | very deserved :) - can't wait to see what you produce for meego! :) |
| 19:11.57 | Trizt | MohammadAG; you got yourself a n950? |
| 19:12.24 | noobmonk3y | trizt - second round just done :) |
| 19:12.33 | noobmonk3y | Trizt: http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/Community_device_program/Nokia |
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| 19:13.02 | DocScrutinizer | Itschue: http://pastebin.com/nyhmVH5i |
| 19:13.13 | Itschue | apt-gat cache find it |
| 19:13.15 | hiemanshu | noobmonk3y: how many more left? (devices) |
| 19:13.22 | DocScrutinizer | angrybirds is in PR1.3 it seems |
| 19:14.33 | Trizt | MohammadAG; congrats which you many sleepless nights ;) |
| 19:15.13 | Trizt | leave the computer to spend some time to wife to be |
| 19:15.24 | noobmonk3y | lol! |
| 19:16.33 | DocScrutinizer | Itschue: if it doesn't show up in HAM, makes sure your maemo nokia download catalogues are not flawed |
| 19:16.46 | Itschue | apt-get cache find angry birds apt-cache policy says non installed and on the downloads.maemo.nokia.... are 2 available so why ham didnt show me angry birds? |
| 19:17.22 | DocScrutinizer | let me check |
| 19:17.48 | DocScrutinizer | will take some minutes, HAM is slow as you know |
| 19:17.48 | X-Fade | Itschue: Use ovi store. |
| 19:17.52 | X-Fade | Itschue: not apt |
| 19:18.08 | Itschue | where i can see or fix the flowed cataloges? |
| 19:18.15 | alterego | MohammadAG: I told you you were on the list |
| 19:18.23 | alterego | I said don't worry and be patient :P |
| 19:18.26 | DocScrutinizer | Itschue: listen to X-Fade |
| 19:18.45 | Itschue | i dont want use ovi store |
| 19:19.02 | DocScrutinizer | then try apt-get install angrybirds |
| 19:19.38 | X-Fade | Itschue: Then you are out of luck. |
| 19:19.42 | noobmonk3y | lol alterego any other visionary names? :) |
| 19:19.57 | Itschue | but i need preenv so what is better install preenv and angry birds and other webos games over apt-get or webos games manager? |
| 19:20.26 | DocScrutinizer | Itschue: actually I wonder if it'd be a good thing to flash a clean PR1.3 on your RMA-returned device |
| 19:20.46 | DocScrutinizer | Itschue: preenv is a completely different thing |
| 19:21.15 | DocScrutinizer | angrybirds is a native maemo app |
| 19:21.54 | Itschue | all angry bird are native maemo app seasons rio? |
| 19:22.09 | DocScrutinizer | yup, angrybirds doesn't show up in HAM, probably this hidden stuff from OVI appstore |
| 19:22.20 | Itschue | ok |
| 19:22.28 | Itschue | actually I wonder if it'd be a good thing to flash a clean PR1.3 on your RMA-returned device why? |
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| 19:22.58 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, which IRC client you think you'll port? |
| 19:23.07 | DocScrutinizer | IIRC angrybirds should be there by default - even if I'm wrong on that, it still is a sane thing to get a n |
| 19:23.14 | DocScrutinizer | known good system |
| 19:23.27 | DocScrutinizer | after repair men messed with it :-) |
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| 19:23.45 | trx | damn batches, again i havent recieved any mail :/ |
| 19:25.09 | Itschue | so my rma returned device isnt really clean like it is when i flash it now with pr1.3 and flash vanilla and fiasco? |
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| 19:25.44 | MohammadAG | GeneralAntilles, wtf is Brief account description |
| 19:25.55 | GeneralAntilles | MohammadAG, in the LaunchPad form? |
| 19:27.09 | GeneralAntilles | MohammadAG, if so, I just put some generic wish-wash about why I need a LaunchPad account. |
| 19:27.11 | Itschue | hmm |
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| 19:29.02 | Itschue | muuhh |
| 19:31.20 | DocScrutinizer | Itschue: who knows. once you flash vanilla and combined, you're sure about state of your system, as well as about fixed eMMC or whatever caused the failure to flash VANILLA |
| 19:31.53 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: heh, congrats |
| 19:32.58 | DocScrutinizer | GeneralAntilles: I entered "blablabla" there, by accident, to go on to a presumed second page of that form ;-P |
| 19:33.54 | DocScrutinizer | some 10h later launchpad accound got granted |
| 19:36.36 | Itschue | ok i i flash my device but not yet i do that tomorrow and what is better for webos games install preenv and the games over apt-get or install webos and with this the games? |
| 19:39.04 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: been 10 days here, nothing :P |
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| 19:39.24 | DocScrutinizer | hiemanshu: launchpad? |
| 19:39.30 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: yes |
| 19:39.36 | Venemo_N900 | hey MohammadAG |
| 19:39.46 | DocScrutinizer | hiemanshu: same for javispedro, just for him it's 6 months now |
| 19:39.51 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: yes |
| 19:39.53 | Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG, this is your lucky day, have you noticed? http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/Community_device_program/Nokia |
| 19:39.58 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: also did you get any email? |
| 19:40.19 | hiemanshu | Venemo_N900: you are late to the party, you can take that corner there -----> |
| 19:40.26 | DocScrutinizer | I get ~3 email / minute - what are you referring to particularly? |
| 19:40.30 | Venemo_N900 | hiemanshu, wut? |
| 19:40.45 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: heh, about your application :P |
| 19:40.51 | DocScrutinizer | nah |
| 19:40.58 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: so you are still in the game :D |
| 19:41.10 | Venemo_N900 | hiemanshu, I was among the first to join the party, only left because of connectivity issues |
| 19:41.27 | hiemanshu | Venemo_N900: ah ok :D |
| 19:41.32 | DocScrutinizer | they won't notify me about my reclassification from quinClass-1 to quimClass-0 due to bitching about aegis |
| 19:41.37 | MohammadAG | ooh, an NDA |
| 19:42.01 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: NDA? |
| 19:42.11 | DocScrutinizer | launchpad |
| 19:42.11 | MohammadAG | Venemo_N900, already got the email :) |
| 19:42.51 | hiemanshu | right |
| 19:42.54 | Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG :) |
| 19:44.51 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: fine, so you can bring USB hostmode to N9, will need it desperately regarding the missing uSD slot |
| 19:46.57 | MohammadAG | where do I get my Forum Nokia Id? |
| 19:47.20 | MohammadAG | this Nokia Developer User ID ? |
| 19:47.47 | DocScrutinizer | forum.nokia is now forum.developer.nokia |
| 19:47.58 | DocScrutinizer | or sth like that |
| 19:48.18 | DocScrutinizer | so yes, probably |
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| 19:50.31 | Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG, go to the premium-account site again, and it will be the top left field |
| 19:50.40 | trumee | DocScrutinizer: didnt apply for N950? |
| 19:50.45 | Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG, AID-0000xxxx |
| 19:50.46 | DocScrutinizer | I did |
| 19:50.46 | MohammadAG | Your application is being processed, you will be notified by email once the application has been reviewed. I'm assuming I'm done? |
| 19:51.05 | DocScrutinizer | trumee: konttori suggested I should |
| 19:51.13 | Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG, yep. don't forget to send a reply to Quim's mail |
| 19:51.17 | trumee | DocScrutinizer: and didnt work out? |
| 19:51.20 | MohammadAG | where's this? |
| 19:51.24 | MohammadAG | can't find it |
| 19:51.27 | DocScrutinizer | trumee: not yet |
| 19:51.39 | trumee | DocScrutinizer: too bad. |
| 19:51.43 | Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG, step 2 in Quim's mail contains the url |
| 19:51.46 | DocScrutinizer | :shrug: |
| 19:51.59 | MohammadAG | You have an existing contact, please disassociate from developer account page before creating a new account. |
| 19:52.24 | MohammadAG | I just made it and agreed to an NDA |
| 19:52.25 | Venemo_N900 | hmmm |
| 19:52.28 | fiferboy | MohammadAG: I created my Launchpad account 10 days ago and I am still getting that |
| 19:52.39 | DocScrutinizer | trumee: look, N9 isn't my dream device, so I'd develop for it for community, not for me. I'm not desperate if I don't get a N9-devkit |
| 19:52.40 | hiemanshu | Venemo_N900: it isnt the user name? |
| 19:52.54 | Venemo_N900 | hiemanshu, nope |
| 19:53.08 | hiemanshu | Venemo_N900: darn-it I sent him the user name :P |
| 19:53.26 | Venemo_N900 | hiemanshu, heh |
| 19:53.29 | MohammadAG | can't see any AIDs |
| 19:54.03 | Venemo_N900 | lol |
| 19:54.26 | DocScrutinizer | look for SIDA ;-P |
| 19:56.29 | hiemanshu | ok |
| 19:56.39 | hiemanshu | so which is the premium site page? |
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| 19:56.49 | hiemanshu | if I go the registration link I get You have an existing contact, please disassociate from developer account page before creating a new account. |
| 19:57.31 | MohammadAG | I sent him the one at the end of my NDA |
| 19:57.51 | DocScrutinizer | hiemanshu: I had to log out *all* browser tabs and windows, to relogin - if that helps |
| 19:59.05 | MohammadAG | it said Nokia Developer Id |
| 19:59.11 | DocScrutinizer | also you'll receive some confirmation mail with a confirmation URL to activate the account fully. Doesn't work prior to doing that |
| 20:00.04 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: I made a launchpad account about 10 days ago, I am guessing that would have asked me to make a premium registration? |
| 20:00.20 | DocScrutinizer | the whole developer.nokia.com felt quite like an online dungeaon to me :-) |
| 20:00.42 | DocScrutinizer | hiemanshu: no clue |
| 20:01.56 | hiemanshu | Venemo_N900: wanna help me out? :P |
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| 20:02.15 | trumee | DocScrutinizer: i will need somebody to test N9 against my * server :) |
| 20:02.48 | MohammadAG | oh shit found it |
| 20:02.50 | MohammadAG | for the record https://www.developer.nokia.com/Profile/premium_profile.xhtml |
| 20:03.11 | javispedro | you can get there by developer.nokia.com, profile -> edit -> developer profile |
| 20:03.22 | DocScrutinizer | trumee: I'd be glad to help, but I guess you have to find somebody else |
| 20:03.26 | Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG, that is what I was talking about |
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| 20:04.18 | DocScrutinizer | isn't it an exciting text adventure? ;-D |
| 20:04.26 | javispedro | actually it is developer.nokia.com -> Settings -> Settings again -> Developer Account =) |
| 20:04.50 | javispedro | the Nokia Developer maze. |
| 20:04.53 | MohammadAG | Venemo_N900, that was in settings |
| 20:05.00 | Venemo_N900 | hiemanshu, see what MohammadAG linked |
| 20:05.00 | DocScrutinizer | yeah \o/ |
| 20:05.02 | javispedro | possibly designed as a barrier-to-entry. |
| 20:05.04 | hiemanshu | yes |
| 20:05.05 | Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG, yepp |
| 20:05.16 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: indeed |
| 20:05.20 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG saves the day again :D |
| 20:05.36 | Venemo_N900 | :) |
| 20:05.39 | MohammadAG | javispedro, yep, that's where I found it, not at the top left of the page ;)\ |
| 20:05.41 | DocScrutinizer | that's why they don't need to reject "blablabla" reason for launchpad ;-) |
| 20:05.52 | javispedro | hits DocScrutinizer |
| 20:05.58 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 20:06.06 | MohammadAG | now to read the NDA |
| 20:06.06 | Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG, well, I saw it on the top left field |
| 20:06.09 | javispedro | I at least I feel more confident now that I know that I'm not alone waiting for my approval. |
| 20:06.18 | Venemo_N900 | not on the top left of the page obviously |
| 20:06.22 | javispedro | otherwise I would have thought they're on to me. |
| 20:06.37 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: enjoy |
| 20:06.49 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: I fell asleep halfway thru |
| 20:06.52 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, well, whatever it says, I agreed to it |
| 20:06.59 | MohammadAG | so I better know what I'm up against |
| 20:07.17 | DocScrutinizer | hehe |
| 20:07.22 | javispedro | hears the black helicopters |
| 20:07.34 | MohammadAG | one question |
| 20:07.46 | MohammadAG | what if a user who applied doesn't know english well? |
| 20:07.46 | javispedro | bah, the black helicopters jokes are no longer funny, not now that Nokia is a third-world corporation after the elopcalypse. |
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| 20:08.11 | MohammadAG | legal english isn't that better fwiw |
| 20:08.12 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: major fail |
| 20:09.00 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: (legal english) see why I fell asleep? |
| 20:09.26 | DocScrutinizer | actually first I got headache, then fell asleep |
| 20:09.34 | MohammadAG | NDA should have smileys |
| 20:09.37 | MohammadAG | NDAs* |
| 20:09.46 | javispedro | they have |
| 20:09.53 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: lets edit that PDF and add some :D |
| 20:10.33 | javispedro | MohammadAG: every time they say "you" envision a >:D added after it |
| 20:10.35 | hiemanshu | 1) We know own your soul :D 2) We own everything you make ;) 3)Naaw dawg, I was kidding xD |
| 20:10.50 | hiemanshu | s/know/now/ |
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| 20:11.41 | GeneralAntilles | javispedro, any way you can add the dropshadow? |
| 20:11.55 | javispedro | GeneralAntilles: ah yes, that, you were absolutely right. |
| 20:12.04 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: that's actually amazingly rare a word in legal text |
| 20:12.04 | GeneralAntilles | Though I'd make it optional. |
| 20:12.12 | GeneralAntilles | mikhail's Twitter icon looks better without it there. |
| 20:12.23 | javispedro | I've been reading (during work hours >:) ) and seems it is very easy using some svg stuff |
| 20:12.29 | javispedro | will code it now |
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| 20:12.31 | MohammadAG | so anyone who's read it, do I have to stfu about anything? |
| 20:13.05 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: usually the terms are ""the loser"" and ""the company"" |
| 20:13.26 | DocScrutinizer | rather than "you" and "we" |
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| 20:14.26 | javispedro | oh |
| 20:14.40 | javispedro | I know remember that I had a FN user id, and it's completely different to the AID. |
| 20:14.52 | GeneralAntilles | AID is the number |
| 20:15.05 | javispedro | *now |
| 20:15.12 | DocScrutinizer | so it's >>1) The company now own the loser's soul :D 2) The company own everything the loser make ;) 3)Naaw dawg, the company was kidding xD |
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| 20:15.17 | Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG, according to Jaffa, you must not publicize any deficiencies of the device |
| 20:15.56 | javispedro | GeneralAntilles: yes, but the FN id is also a 7-digit id... and a different one. |
| 20:15.58 | cehteh | hp licenses WebOS to samsung .. haha |
| 20:16.07 | javispedro | cehteh: WHAT? |
| 20:16.39 | cehteh | javispedro: rumors .. but i bet that will turn out true ... |
| 20:16.45 | fiferboy | There is a "Primary Account ID" (AID-00000xxxxx) and "Nokia Developer User ID" (xxxxxxx) |
| 20:16.47 | cehteh | http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Bericht-HP-will-WebOS-an-Samsung-lizenzieren-1270974.html |
| 20:16.50 | DocScrutinizer | OMFG |
| 20:17.03 | cehteh | pwn :) |
| 20:17.14 | javispedro | aber Ich spreche nur ein bischen Deutsch! |
| 20:17.33 | cehteh | yeah wait a few days or until its announced on other news channels |
| 20:17.44 | GeneralAntilles | javispedro, Engadget had an article this morning. |
| 20:18.16 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: learn chinese and german, or you'll not keep up ;-) |
| 20:18.21 | cehteh | hey samsung could sell Baida (or what was its name?) to nokia :P |
| 20:18.23 | GeneralAntilles | So who's going to release an unbranded theme for Harmattan first? |
| 20:18.35 | GeneralAntilles | Nobody wants to demo an N950 to friends with "DEVELOPER EDITION" plastered all over it. |
| 20:18.42 | GeneralAntilles | (anybody remember the OS2006 betas?) |
| 20:18.53 | DocScrutinizer | bada |
| 20:18.59 | javispedro | is that true? does it have that all over the place, M$ beta style? |
| 20:19.03 | Venemo_N900 | GeneralAntilles, what was on the os2006 betas |
| 20:19.12 | DocScrutinizer | which raster called a "hickup" ;-) |
| 20:19.21 | cehteh | yeah |
| 20:19.21 | GeneralAntilles | BETA in big bold letters |
| 20:19.29 | GeneralAntilles | http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/7809/591/1600/screenshot00.png |
| 20:19.58 | GeneralAntilles | It was worse on those scary candy themes: http://www.kernelconcepts.de/~fuchs/nokia770/screenshots/old/screenshot00.png |
| 20:20.13 | cehteh | i secretly wondered if samsung might be the next big one who tries a open platform .. no bets yet but not completely impossible |
| 20:20.14 | GeneralAntilles | misses the 770. |
| 20:20.27 | DocScrutinizer | GeneralAntilles: sed -i "s/DEVELOPER EDITION/GAN'S ACME VERSION/" * |
| 20:20.47 | cehteh | i never seen webos in action but its told to be nice |
| 20:20.57 | DocScrutinizer | wait, aegis won't allow that XP |
| 20:21.05 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: bada in hindi = big :P |
| 20:21.27 | Venemo_N900 | GeneralAntilles, interesting |
| 20:21.52 | DocScrutinizer | cehteh: raster is working on that samsung open platform since, well years |
| 20:21.59 | cehteh | i know |
| 20:22.15 | cehteh | samsung is at least not openly hostile to free software |
| 20:22.50 | cehteh | and the way some of their products are locked down (and can be broken) leaves speculations that its not completely unintentional |
| 20:23.20 | Venemo_N900 | hm |
| 20:24.12 | cehteh | having a comment in a init script at the exact place and size to overwrite it # comment -> ; telnetd |
| 20:24.36 | MohammadAG | GeneralAntilles, only if you insist |
| 20:24.42 | Venemo_N900 | nah, I'm going to sleep now.. bye! |
| 20:25.44 | DocScrutinizer | cehteh: nice |
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| 20:35.17 | MohammadAG | isn't Alan Bruce qole? |
| 20:36.25 | fiferboy | MohammadAG: Yes |
| 20:36.39 | RST38h | Moo, gentemen |
| 20:36.46 | RST38h | How is suffering tonight? |
| 20:37.10 | MohammadAG | so he got accepted, /me wonders why the last post implies he wasn't |
| 20:37.34 | MohammadAG | moo RST38h |
| 20:38.07 | fiferboy | MohammadAG: I think he means his application work is considered "on the fringe" in Quim's rating scheme |
| 20:38.28 | fiferboy | The poster seems to have interpreted it wrong |
| 20:38.52 | noobmonk3y | lol and that makes me so far on the fringe that i should be in the tv show the fringe? :P |
| 20:40.15 | MohammadAG | oh noobmonk3y's still here :D |
| 20:40.35 | noobmonk3y | yup! |
| 20:40.56 | noobmonk3y | sitting here smoking my electric cigarette... wooo yay i can smoke in the flat! |
| 20:41.20 | MohammadAG | I thought those were more harmful than normal cigarettes |
| 20:41.39 | noobmonk3y | well, only nicotene, no tar etc... bahhhm anyway saving me a bunch of money |
| 20:41.50 | noobmonk3y | and i can smoke at my desk at work :P |
| 20:41.59 | noobmonk3y | i feel a bit retro :P |
| 20:42.18 | MohammadAG | anyway, I hope you did the right thing |
| 20:42.34 | noobmonk3y | the right thing? |
| 20:43.25 | MohammadAG | overclocked the shit out of it |
| 20:43.36 | noobmonk3y | lmfao! |
| 20:43.47 | noobmonk3y | supercharged cigarette... genius |
| 20:43.54 | noobmonk3y | it does charge via my pc... hmmmmmmm |
| 20:44.39 | MohammadAG | then we need hostmode on the N9 to charge cigarettes |
| 20:44.46 | noobmonk3y | grrr the waigint is killing me :( i swear it'll be down to 1 device and 2 people before i get told no ;) hehe |
| 20:44.49 | piggz | balls...it looks like i didnt send him my id, like someone above... |
| 20:44.51 | noobmonk3y | aiting* |
| 20:44.53 | piggz | btw, contrags MohammadAG |
| 20:45.12 | MohammadAG | thanks piggz, you can still send it afaik |
| 20:45.52 | noobmonk3y | :) |
| 20:45.58 | piggz | MohammadAG: where do i find the id..i thought it was the username... |
| 20:46.34 | MohammadAG | https://www.developer.nokia.com/Profile/premium_profile.xhtml |
| 20:46.37 | noobmonk3y | go into your account |
| 20:46.50 | noobmonk3y | then click "developer Account" on the right hand menu |
| 20:46.54 | noobmonk3y | it will show at the top :) |
| 20:47.10 | piggz | ah yes, i see it |
| 20:47.12 | piggz | thx |
| 20:50.09 | piggz | alterego: i suspect my name also originates from pig farming...who would have thought, 2 pig farmers getting N950s |
| 20:58.50 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: what's with your journey now? postponed? |
| 20:59.31 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, not traveling till the device arrives |
| 20:59.38 | DocScrutinizer | ;-) |
| 20:59.52 | DocScrutinizer | prepare for even more suspense then |
| 21:02.39 | MohammadAG | eek |
| 21:02.39 | MohammadAG | I'm expecting a day or two's delay :p |
| 21:02.43 | MohammadAG | also, I'm wondering what customs will do |
| 21:02.55 | MohammadAG | When I got the DDP N900 they wanted 250 bucks tax |
| 21:03.01 | DocScrutinizer | on a sidenote: SHR distro got decent downstream audio on cmt finally, upstream next (though an itsy bit more tricky) |
| 21:03.35 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: ouch |
| 21:03.44 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: that's robbery |
| 21:04.09 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, 34% off the price |
| 21:04.16 | MohammadAG | technically the N950's price is NULL |
| 21:04.24 | MohammadAG | of* |
| 21:04.44 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, that'll have potential to get really nasty |
| 21:05.16 | DocScrutinizer | they may guess an arbitrary real value, as 0 obviously can't be correct |
| 21:06.05 | DocScrutinizer | customs tend to get funny when price ==NAN |
| 21:06.13 | macmaN | MohammadAG and his N950, unstoppable force |
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| 21:07.24 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, they noticed something on the DDP N900 and said customs was paid in FI |
| 21:07.41 | DocScrutinizer | aaah good |
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| 21:08.23 | GeneralAntilles | fiddles with the Qt SDK |
| 21:08.24 | javispedro | omg svg shadow goodness |
| 21:08.38 | javispedro | 4px vertical offset should be ok |
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| 21:10.03 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, not sure they're gonna the NULL nicely :p |
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| 21:16.22 | GeneralAntilles | javispedro, Nokia's template Photoshop shadow settings are: 2 px distance (offset), 2% spread and 6 px size. From 12 o'clock. 50% opacity. |
| 21:18.35 | javispedro | GeneralAntilles: where to get those btw? |
| 21:19.29 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.developer.nokia.com/Resources/Library/Design_and_UX/designing-for-nokia-platforms/designing-for-meego-12-harmattan/meego-12-harmattan-iconography-guidelines/use-the-templates-from-the-icon-creation-toolkit.html |
| 21:19.48 | javispedro | ta! |
| 21:21.02 | rm_work | GAN900: sup |
| 21:21.06 | rm_work | high latency today |
| 21:21.10 | GeneralAntilles | rm_work, congrats. |
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| 21:22.22 | rm_work | GeneralAntilles: haven't actually seen an email yet, i was just asking :P |
| 21:22.40 | rm_work | oh |
| 21:22.40 | GeneralAntilles | No, I'm congratulating you for being high latency. |
| 21:22.40 | rm_work | nm |
| 21:22.42 | rm_work | there it is |
| 21:22.44 | GeneralAntilles | </sarcasm> |
| 21:22.47 | rm_work | i got accepted :P |
| 21:22.53 | rm_work | lol did you know before i did? :P |
| 21:23.44 | rm_work | hadn't checked my email until just now |
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| 21:27.44 | javispedro | GeneralAntilles: do you have something that opens .ait files? I would like to get an .svg from it (I need the path only, cause for the current template I made it manually) |
| 21:27.56 | DocScrutinizer | indeed the best to kill the suspense: just ignore the whole thing until you run into an email ;-) |
| 21:28.07 | rm_work | lol DocScrutinizer, yes |
| 21:28.41 | rm_work | i have not been really worrying about it, or bugging quim, etc... keep wondering why everyone else is so frantic, there's nothing you can really do other than annoy him <_< |
| 21:28.58 | DocScrutinizer | indeed |
| 21:29.27 | DocScrutinizer | and actually receiving a loaner isn't really a century event |
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| 21:31.17 | rm_work | yeah |
| 21:31.24 | DocScrutinizer | sure exciting for a moment, but not like you won the lottery |
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| 21:32.07 | rm_work | i honestly was expecting to maybe not get in, since i just skipped Maemo5 pretty much as a whole |
| 21:32.21 | GeneralAntilles | javispedro: http://thousandsparrows.com/meego/images/harmattan-icon-template.svg |
| 21:32.49 | DocScrutinizer | I thought konttori prodding me to apply would mean it's a nobrainer, but meh |
| 21:33.02 | rm_work | did you not get in? |
| 21:33.08 | DocScrutinizer | nope |
| 21:33.11 | rm_work | :( |
| 21:33.24 | rm_work | Don't know how long it will take me to get what i want to do done |
| 21:33.35 | rm_work | maybe i will end up sending mine your way or something |
| 21:33.44 | rm_work | not sure how they're doing that |
| 21:33.44 | DocScrutinizer | welcome |
| 21:34.06 | rm_work | am kind of surprised tho |
| 21:34.14 | DocScrutinizer | too |
| 21:34.18 | GeneralAntilles | Well, fringe stuff is tough. |
| 21:34.25 | GeneralAntilles | Quim hasn't had any interaction with you, either. |
| 21:34.30 | GeneralAntilles | and did you have a project page up? |
| 21:34.38 | DocScrutinizer | thought having hostmode was a priority when there's no other external storage |
| 21:34.46 | rm_work | yeah, that's true, though it shouldn't make me more qualified just because i've met him like 4 times |
| 21:35.30 | rm_work | on the plus side, now that i'm working, i can afford to go to the events without requiring sponsorship (though no idea how many more events there will BE...) |
| 21:35.49 | RST38h | Yes, but will your employer let you go? =) |
| 21:36.16 | DocScrutinizer | hehe |
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| 21:40.14 | noobmonk3y | MohammadAG: http://pentest.snosoft.com/2011/06/24/netragards-hacker-interface-device-hid/ :) |
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| 21:42.39 | rm_work | RST38h: ah yes, that is the tricky part |
| 21:42.52 | rm_work | RST38h: that's when i mysteriously come down with the Flu... |
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| 21:43.56 | DocScrutinizer | make sure your boss isn't on same conference then :-) |
| 21:46.01 | rm_work | lol |
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| 22:25.50 | _trine | is there anyone who can tell me why when I try to install the sdk it gives this message :- |
| 22:25.52 | _trine | Couldn't retrieve file 'maemo-sdk-rootstrap_5.0_10.2010.19-1_armel.tgz |
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| 23:17.53 | rm_you | GeneralAntilles: so i was asking earlier |
| 23:18.08 | rm_you | is the account they want you to make on developer.nokia the same one as for the N900 DDP? |
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| 23:35.43 | Termana | good morning |
| 23:46.05 | alterego | Hope to get that bloody launch pad email tomorrow :) |
| 23:46.12 | alterego | Hopefully in the moaning .. |
| 23:46.16 | alterego | g'night |
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