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| 00:49.24 | SpeedEvil | realises the deadline is over. |
| 00:49.51 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: yo |
| 00:50.05 | SpeedEvil | So - no stress now - just waiting |
| 00:50.19 | DocScrutinizer | :shrug: |
| 00:51.01 | DocScrutinizer | counts green flies on the wall - 1.. 2.. 3.. 4... 5.. |
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| 00:54.47 | MohammadAG | so |
| 00:54.59 | MohammadAG | what's the maximum value led_current can take? |
| 00:55.05 | MohammadAG | for the RGB leds |
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| 00:57.31 | ShadowJK | 50 |
| 00:57.58 | DocScrutinizer | define "can" |
| 00:58.10 | MohammadAG | ShadowJK, then why is it set to 2? |
| 00:58.14 | DocScrutinizer | may? usually does? |
| 00:58.22 | MohammadAG | Are you *sure* it's 500? |
| 00:58.25 | MohammadAG | err, 50 |
| 00:58.38 | SpeedEvil | I wouldn't exceed the maximum that mce does by much |
| 00:59.02 | SpeedEvil | For short pulses - 50% more may be OK |
| 00:59.42 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, 50 sounds quite sane for a maximum, based on "unit=100uA" and the type of component |
| 01:00.08 | MohammadAG | remember, RGB led, not kb led |
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| 01:00.22 | MohammadAG | RGB runs at 2 by default |
| 01:00.30 | DocScrutinizer | as we don't know the datasheet or even name of the RGB LED |
| 01:00.35 | MohammadAG | I just remember while porting Ubuntu, it was brighter |
| 01:01.03 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: yes, as it's supposed to be "always on" for breathing light |
| 01:01.16 | DocScrutinizer | so they lowered the current considerably |
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| 01:02.15 | DocScrutinizer | My EE guts say such type of component should be fine with 5mA |
| 01:02.58 | MohammadAG | well, 5 seems right, it didn't implode |
| 01:03.03 | DocScrutinizer | *might* even be fine with 50mA, or it burns out in no time - I'll not gonna test itXP |
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| 01:03.26 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: NB 5 means 0.5mA |
| 01:04.33 | DocScrutinizer | which for sure is no max current for an LED of any type I've ever seen |
| 01:05.08 | SpeedEvil | I've seen 5mA in some of the tinier LEDs |
| 01:05.11 | DocScrutinizer | it's just a fine setting for a power-modest standby indicator |
| 01:05.34 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: [2011-06-29 03:02:15] <DocScrutinizer> My EE guts say such type of component should be fine with 5mA |
| 01:06.54 | SpeedEvil | yeah |
| 01:07.20 | DocScrutinizer | so ShadowJK 's 50 were just to the point |
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| 01:12.37 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, oh, so 50 in led_current means 5mA, interesting |
| 01:13.01 | DocScrutinizer | iirc yes |
| 01:15.05 | ShadowJK | 50mA (500) sounds a bit high |
| 01:15.22 | DocScrutinizer | indeed |
| 01:15.29 | DocScrutinizer | nobody suggested that |
| 01:15.55 | DocScrutinizer | and iirc it doesn't even work, as that's a uint8 |
| 01:16.13 | MohammadAG | meh, abill_uk would suggest it |
| 01:16.13 | ShadowJK | don't we run the "flashlight" at 50? :) |
| 01:16.39 | MohammadAG | the flashlight is 5mA? |
| 01:16.48 | DocScrutinizer | flashlight is a completely different driver, no? |
| 01:17.14 | DocScrutinizer | with unrelated semantics of the values you pass to it |
| 01:17.33 | ShadowJK | I vaguely remember someone saying 50mA would be good for flashlight |
| 01:17.47 | DocScrutinizer | the 0.1mA units stem from lp5521/3 driver |
| 01:18.31 | SpeedEvil | 50mA is the nominal flashlight current |
| 01:18.34 | SpeedEvil | IIRC |
| 01:18.35 | MohammadAG | anyway, enough LED burning for me |
| 01:18.37 | MohammadAG | night |
| 01:18.38 | DocScrutinizer | those 50mA are from the driver source for the flashlight driver driver |
| 01:18.40 | SpeedEvil | These are very different LEDs though |
| 01:18.45 | SpeedEvil | Night! |
| 01:18.54 | SpeedEvil | hopes for nice email to MohammadAG in the morning. |
| 01:18.56 | FIQ|n900 | the n900fly application seems as an interesting way to hurt your device |
| 01:19.03 | FIQ|n900 | according to its' description |
| 01:19.10 | SpeedEvil | Well - yes. |
| 01:19.27 | FIQ|n900 | don't get it |
| 01:19.33 | FIQ|n900 | why would anyone do that? |
| 01:19.47 | SpeedEvil | It may not actually be a serious app. |
| 01:19.58 | DocScrutinizer | it's supposed to be in your pocket while flying ;-D |
| 01:20.07 | FIQ|n900 | of course it isn't |
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| 01:20.26 | FIQ|n900 | but has it got any downloads, and has it actually been used? :p |
| 01:20.59 | DocScrutinizer | isn't there even a public highscore list? |
| 01:21.09 | FIQ|n900 | wat |
| 01:21.22 | FIQ|n900 | whatever |
| 01:21.30 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 01:26.52 | biston | hey guys, there are 4 packages for nano on the maemo repos, nano nano-tiny nano-2.0.7 nano-opt. which is the best? |
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| 01:49.19 | jonwil | hmmm, I wonder if anyone actually cares about my hald-addon-bme work... |
| 01:50.40 | jonwil | or what else I could work on reverse engineering or making copies of... |
| 01:50.56 | jonwil | I mean clones of |
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| 02:01.48 | Ken-Young | I am having trouble with the Maemo 5 autobuilder. I have a new dependency in a package of mine - I now need hildon-fm-2. If I put that dependency in my configure.ac file, everything works. I can configure and build. I put hildon-fm-2 in my control file too. But the autobuilder dies when it does not find that dependency. DOes anyone know what I must put in my control file to get hildon-fm-2 ? |
| 02:03.05 | Sc0rpius | well |
| 02:03.11 | Sc0rpius | where do you get that hildon-fm-2? |
| 02:03.34 | Sc0rpius | because it's not in my repositories |
| 02:03.44 | Sc0rpius | and maybe autobuilder can't find it either? |
| 02:03.49 | Ken-Young | Sc0rpius, Well it appears to exist in scratchbox. |
| 02:04.16 | Sc0rpius | [sbox-FREMANTLE_X86: ~] > dpkg -l | grep hildon-fm-2 |
| 02:04.16 | Sc0rpius | [sbox-FREMANTLE_X86: ~] > |
| 02:04.17 | Sc0rpius | not in mine |
| 02:04.36 | Sc0rpius | [sbox-FREMANTLE_X86: ~] > apt-cache search hildon-fm-2 |
| 02:04.37 | Sc0rpius | [sbox-FREMANTLE_X86: ~] > |
| 02:04.37 | Ken-Young | Sc0rpius, If I put it in the configure.ac, do autoconf and automake, then the configure script looks for that package, and finds it. |
| 02:04.47 | Sc0rpius | maybe it's just ARMEL lemme see |
| 02:05.59 | Ken-Young | libhildonfm2 seems to be present. |
| 02:06.56 | Ken-Young | But if I specify hildonfm2, rather than hildon-fm-2, in the configure.ac file, then the configure script fails to resolve that dependency. |
| 02:07.08 | Sc0rpius | [sbox-FREMANTLE_X86: ~] > apt-cache search hildon-fm-2 |
| 02:07.08 | Sc0rpius | [sbox-FREMANTLE_X86: ~] > |
| 02:07.09 | Sc0rpius | err |
| 02:07.14 | Sc0rpius | [sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~] > ls /usr/lib/libhildonfm* |
| 02:07.15 | Sc0rpius | /usr/lib/libhildonfm.so /usr/lib/libhildonfm.so.2 /usr/lib/libhildonfm.so.2.0.0 |
| 02:07.22 | Sc0rpius | are we talking about Maemo 5 here? |
| 02:07.26 | Ken-Young | Yup |
| 02:07.31 | Sc0rpius | well I don't have those. |
| 02:07.37 | Sc0rpius | I mean I have hildon-fm |
| 02:07.40 | Sc0rpius | but not hildon-fm-2 |
| 02:08.05 | Ken-Young | I can build for ARM, and the program runs correctly on my N900, so the package is there somewhere. |
| 02:08.27 | Ken-Young | Do you have hildonfm2 ? |
| 02:08.41 | Sc0rpius | I have those I showed |
| 02:08.53 | Ken-Young | Oh, yes, I should have seen that. |
| 02:09.16 | Sc0rpius | and in my hone is the same |
| 02:09.32 | Sc0rpius | I have libhildonfm.so.2 but no libhildonfm2.so.xx |
| 02:10.00 | Sc0rpius | I wonder where you got that, and I think autobuilder wonders it too |
| 02:10.28 | Sc0rpius | what about specifying hildon-fm instead of hildon-fm-2 ? |
| 02:11.30 | Ken-Young | Very strange. I don't see it in my /usr/lib either. But if I don't put it in configure.ac, I get link errors, and if I do put it in that file, everything works smoothly building in my environmnet, for but ARM and x86, but the autobuilder dies. |
| 02:11.53 | Ken-Young | OK, I'll try hildon-fm. That's a good idea. |
| 02:12.59 | Sc0rpius | I have this though: |
| 02:13.10 | Sc0rpius | ii libhildonfm2 2.28.21+0m5 Hildon file management libraries. |
| 02:13.17 | Sc0rpius | and the builder will need that and: |
| 02:13.23 | Sc0rpius | ii libhildonfm2-dev 2.28.21+0m5 Development files for libhildonfm2. |
| 02:14.02 | Sc0rpius | in summary |
| 02:14.18 | Sc0rpius | Build-Depends should have libhildonfm2-devç |
| 02:14.21 | Sc0rpius | and |
| 02:14.34 | Sc0rpius | Depends should have libhildonfm2 |
| 02:14.48 | Ken-Young | Sadly, neither putting in hildon-fm nor hildon-fm works. I can't even build locally with those dependencies. |
| 02:14.53 | Sc0rpius | maybe Build-Depends should have both actually. |
| 02:15.03 | Sc0rpius | it's called "libhildonfm2" |
| 02:15.21 | Ken-Young | I think I've tried that, but I'll try it again. |
| 02:15.46 | Sc0rpius | Build-Depends: should have libhildonfm2-dev and libhildonfm2 and Depends: should have libhildonfm2 only |
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| 02:17.59 | Ken-Young | No combination of "lib" "hildon" "fm", "2" and "dev" seems to work, with or without dashes, except hildon-fm-2, which works locally, but not with the builder. |
| 02:18.39 | Sc0rpius | well my package is called libhildonfm2 |
| 02:18.57 | Sc0rpius | maybe you're using a different implementation? |
| 02:19.04 | Ken-Young | Well, the configure.ac file has lines like |
| 02:19.21 | Ken-Young | PKG_CHECK_MODULES(GTK, [gtk+-2.0]) |
| 02:19.27 | Sc0rpius | hmm |
| 02:19.34 | Ken-Young | which work properly. |
| 02:19.47 | jonwil | has run out of things to work on :( |
| 02:19.49 | Sc0rpius | I was assuming you developed what you're trying to compile |
| 02:19.53 | Ken-Young | So I fingured I should not have a lib prefix. |
| 02:19.57 | Sc0rpius | are you trying to port something instead to Maemo? |
| 02:20.19 | Ken-Young | Sc0rpius, I did develope what I'm trying to compile. Completely from scratch. |
| 02:20.25 | Sc0rpius | oh |
| 02:20.34 | Sc0rpius | because it's really weird where you got that hildon-fm-2 package if any |
| 02:20.46 | Ken-Young | But my grasp of autotools is tenuous. |
| 02:21.02 | Sc0rpius | [sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~/workspace/modest/debian] > dpkg -l | grep hildon | grep fm | grep -v l10 |
| 02:21.03 | Sc0rpius | ii libhildonfm2 2.28.21+0m5 Hildon file management libraries. |
| 02:21.03 | Sc0rpius | ii libhildonfm2-dev 2.28.21+0m5 Development files for libhildonfm2. |
| 02:21.10 | Sc0rpius | that's all I have that has hildon and fm |
| 02:22.08 | Ken-Young | I may have to try to find some other app which uses these file selection widgets, and try to get ahold of the autotools files for it. |
| 02:22.52 | Ken-Young | Maybe I should just switch to the gtk file selection widgets, and avoid this hassle. |
| 02:22.57 | Sc0rpius | now I see where you got that hildon-fm-2 |
| 02:23.16 | Sc0rpius | [sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~] > pkg-config --libs hildon-fm-2 |
| 02:23.17 | Sc0rpius | -pthread -lhildonfm -lgtk-x11-2.0 -lgnomevfs-2 -lgdk-x11-2.0 -latk-1.0 -lgio-2.0 -lpangoft2-1.0 -lgdk_pixbuf-2.0 -lpangocairo-1.0 -lcai |
| 02:23.17 | Sc0rpius | lpango-1.0 -lfreetype -lfontconfig -lgconf-2 -lgthread-2.0 -lrt -lgmodule-2.0 -ldbus-glib-1 -ldbus-1 -lpthread -lgobject-2.0 -lglib-2.0 |
| 02:24.09 | Sc0rpius | what's the error from the autobuilder? |
| 02:24.16 | Sc0rpius | maybe you have to add something else and it's not hildon-fm-2 |
| 02:24.39 | Ken-Young | checking for FM... configure: error: Package requirements (hildon-fm-2) were not met: |
| 02:24.39 | Ken-Young | No package 'hildon-fm-2' found |
| 02:25.27 | Ken-Young | But that same check on my local system works properly. |
| 02:25.44 | Ken-Young | I may need some magic in the debian control file. |
| 02:25.58 | Ken-Young | To get the autobuilder to load that up. |
| 02:27.01 | Ken-Young | I may need something on the control file's Build-Depends line. |
| 02:27.52 | Ken-Young | I'll try random permutations of lib, hildon, fm, 2 and dev on that line. |
| 02:28.23 | Sc0rpius | well |
| 02:28.34 | Sc0rpius | in Build-Depends |
| 02:28.44 | Sc0rpius | try libhildonfm2-dev and hildon-fm-2 after it |
| 02:29.01 | Sc0rpius | since hildon-fm-2.pc file (for pkg-config) is provided ONLY for libhildonfm2-dev and no other package |
| 02:29.33 | Sc0rpius | it works locally because you have libhildonfm2-dev installed in your scratchbox |
| 02:29.40 | Ken-Young | Do you mean put BOTH libhildonfm2-dev and hildon-fm-2 on the Build-Depends line of the control file? |
| 02:30.13 | Ken-Young | I agree the solution is to get the autobuilder to install something I already have installed lcally. |
| 02:30.20 | Sc0rpius | yes |
| 02:30.26 | Sc0rpius | both |
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| 02:30.44 | Ken-Young | OK, I'll try that. Thanks for the suggestion! |
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| 02:37.51 | Ken-Young | Sc0rpius, Just putting libhildonfm2-dev in the Build-Depends line did the trick, without the hildon-fm-2. |
| 02:38.08 | Ken-Young | Thanks again very much for your help. |
| 02:38.17 | Sc0rpius | nice |
| 02:38.34 | Sc0rpius | you have to put libhildonfm2 in Depends: |
| 02:39.02 | Sc0rpius | just to be consistent since libhildonfm2 seems to be installed in all N900s |
| 02:40.07 | Ken-Young | Yeah, I definitely didin't have to load anything special on my N900 to get the program to work. I just scp'd the binary over, and it worked. |
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| 03:10.41 | jonwil | bah, there has to be SOMETHING I can do towards further enhancing the MAEMO ecosystem... |
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| 03:25.22 | SpeedEvil | Problem is the 'obvious' things all end up as hideous. |
| 03:25.53 | SpeedEvil | For example - rewriting the tangled ball of mce/bme/icd/dsme/... |
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| 03:58.53 | GeneralAntilles | Oh, Engadget |
| 03:59.00 | GeneralAntilles | You so silly. Politics is not your forte. |
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| 04:08.03 | bindi | gah |
| 04:08.07 | bindi | am i really missing something |
| 04:08.13 | bindi | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=24905 how do I install this |
| 04:10.24 | bindi | i have advanced power |
| 04:13.39 | jonwil | Well there seems to be a fair bit of work being done on creating open-source clones of some of the closed-source control panels and widgets, so are there any more of those that would be worth cloning? |
| 04:14.02 | bindi | aha |
| 04:14.24 | bindi | I get an error when I run python /opt/maemo/usr/lib/advanced-power-monitor/apmdaemon.py |
| 04:14.48 | bindi | ImportError: no module named advpowcommon.util.loader |
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| 04:36.10 | user_ | hello world |
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| 04:51.03 | bindi | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1041215#post1041215 |
| 04:51.11 | bindi | if anyone knows :p |
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| 06:12.13 | ruskie | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/06/29/aluminum_celmet/ <-- interesting |
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| 06:52.17 | hiemanshu | so everyone can get RDA now :D |
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| 06:54.59 | cloudyLights | morning |
| 06:55.12 | cloudyLights | khertan! |
| 06:55.47 | mece | mornin' |
| 06:56.51 | khertan | Morning ! |
| 06:57.30 | hiemanshu | khertan: so with RDA, I tested the plain Qt apps on N950, they are reallly ugly |
| 06:59.44 | hiemanshu | khertan: I have one for the next one-ish hour if you want me to test anything on it |
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| 07:05.19 | Termana | good morning |
| 07:09.06 | khertan | hiemanshu, ouch ... It s a bad news |
| 07:09.23 | hiemanshu | khertan: but they work fine on SDK |
| 07:09.28 | khertan | by ugly just display result, or unusable ? |
| 07:09.33 | hiemanshu | display result |
| 07:09.38 | hiemanshu | lemme take screenshots |
| 07:09.44 | khertan | hiemanshu, like plastique theme ? |
| 07:09.48 | hiemanshu | yup |
| 07:10.13 | khertan | ok ... no no meegotouch-qt-theme installed |
| 07:10.30 | khertan | anyway... they ll remove it soon from the repository |
| 07:10.43 | khertan | as it not maintained |
| 07:10.43 | hiemanshu | khertan: http://imgur.com/a/da46U |
| 07:10.57 | khertan | so no choice than to use qml or another framework |
| 07:11.18 | hiemanshu | NNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOO :/ |
| 07:11.28 | khertan | yep they fucked up Qt |
| 07:11.41 | hiemanshu | and they preach Qt |
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| 07:11.51 | khertan | Qt is not anymore |
| 07:11.52 | hiemanshu | and everyone knows QML is still very immature |
| 07:12.18 | khertan | hiemanshu, they didn't give release date for the n9 |
| 07:12.34 | khertan | maybe they plan to release it september 2012 |
| 07:12.43 | hiemanshu | hah |
| 07:12.51 | hiemanshu | well they said later this year right |
| 07:13.12 | khertan | For me this forced move to QML look like an other try to kill the plateform |
| 07:13.13 | hiemanshu | khertan: well either ways there has to be something |
| 07:13.36 | hiemanshu | khertan: do you have debs for your apps that i could try on this? |
| 07:14.06 | khertan | hiemanshu, not really ... as they aren't ported to harmattan yet |
| 07:14.14 | hiemanshu | khertan: ah |
| 07:14.20 | khertan | hiemanshu, some depandancies need to be ported before |
| 07:14.26 | hiemanshu | ah ok |
| 07:14.47 | hiemanshu | didn't need any extra deps |
| 07:15.01 | khertan | and for the moment i didn't know if i ll do it |
| 07:15.17 | khertan | hiemanshu, some depends on PyQt4 :) |
| 07:15.27 | khertan | yep code in python |
| 07:15.29 | khertan | :) |
| 07:16.03 | hiemanshu | yeah, it has python on it |
| 07:16.07 | hiemanshu | just no pyside or PyQt4 |
| 07:16.53 | hiemanshu | khertan: http://i.imgur.com/2ZNaB.png |
| 07:17.25 | khertan | hiemanshu, pyside is available |
| 07:17.27 | khertan | not pyqt4 |
| 07:17.44 | hiemanshu | khertan: for me the goal is simple, if I get an N950, I'll learn QML otherwise I'll work on maintaing meegotouch-qt-style |
| 07:17.48 | hiemanshu | khertan: up for it? |
| 07:18.23 | khertan | hiemanshu, pyside is available on the harmattan sdk repository |
| 07:18.36 | khertan | and ill be available in ovi store repository |
| 07:18.56 | khertan | same for me ... if i got an n950 i ll use QML ... else ... no ... |
| 07:19.14 | khertan | hiemanshu, mainly because qml doesn't work well on n900 |
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| 07:19.21 | hiemanshu | khertan: yup |
| 07:19.35 | hiemanshu | proper qml support was added in .7.2 |
| 07:19.46 | khertan | 4.7.3 |
| 07:19.54 | khertan | there is many bug in 7.2 |
| 07:20.07 | khertan | hiemanshu, and i ll probably try to create my own framework based on pygame ... |
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| 07:20.27 | hiemanshu | hah ok |
| 07:20.43 | khertan | pygame is based on sdl |
| 07:20.52 | hiemanshu | khertan: well, I am going to wait and see what happens about the N950, or I'll work on imporving meegotouch-qt-style |
| 07:20.55 | khertan | available on maemo, WebOS, and Android |
| 07:21.23 | khertan | hiemanshu, i ll probably try to improve meegotouch-qt-style ... but there is many things to fix |
| 07:21.44 | khertan | (if i get an n950) |
| 07:21.56 | khertan | as currently what i'm trying to do isn't possible in QML |
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| 07:22.31 | hiemanshu | well I have to define a mouse area, define a layout and what not to get a simple push button :/ |
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| 07:27.13 | khertan | hiemanshu, try to do syntax hilighting ... or extending qml to integrate qtextedit ... it s a real headache ... how can they claim it s easier |
| 07:27.16 | khertan | it s not |
| 07:27.37 | hiemanshu | khertan: there seems to a Widget Gallery, boosted Widget gallery, QML components gallery |
| 07:27.43 | hiemanshu | be a* |
| 07:28.14 | khertan | hiemanshu, yep ... it s just improve look and feel ... but didn't provide better text managment |
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| 07:28.35 | hiemanshu | khertan: well I am assuming atleast one of them is plain Qt |
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| 07:29.12 | khertan | ? |
| 07:30.28 | hiemanshu | khertan: from all the widget gallerys |
| 07:30.50 | khertan | did you have a link ? |
| 07:30.54 | arvut | I am a gagamoth and I'm tired as effin heÅÅ |
| 07:32.42 | hiemanshu | khertan: ok there is PySide on the device, just no PyQt4 |
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| 07:34.27 | khertan | hiemanshu, yep ... but having pyside officially is a good thing |
| 07:34.50 | khertan | except that only QtCore and QtDeclarative can be really used :( |
| 07:35.07 | hiemanshu | khertan: sure but whats the use if they are ugly like windows 95 |
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| 07:36.14 | khertan | hiemanshu, you can use qml with pyside and python |
| 07:36.41 | hiemanshu | khertan: yes, the problem here is qml, not pyside or python |
| 07:36.48 | hiemanshu | khertan: I can code both in python and C++ |
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| 07:38.41 | khertan | hiemanshu, i agree qml is the problem |
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| 07:39.22 | khertan | hiemanshu, Qt was a good framework :( RIP |
| 07:39.28 | hiemanshu | khertan: there are a lot of plain qt apps meant for touch screen that could be ported over easily if something was possible |
| 07:39.39 | hiemanshu | khertan: Qt is a good framework if you -QML |
| 07:40.00 | khertan | hiemanshu, they will not remove QML, but they will not maintain QWidget |
| 07:40.03 | khertan | so RIP |
| 07:40.43 | hiemanshu | khertan: well yes :/ |
| 07:41.14 | khertan | hiemanshu, seems that JS will win the language war |
| 07:41.49 | hiemanshu | khertan: if it does, I'll stop programming and learn to do something else |
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| 07:45.32 | khertan | hiemanshu, :) |
| 07:45.55 | hiemanshu | maybe drive a truck! |
| 07:46.19 | bindi | would be cool to have xterm as a widget |
| 07:46.23 | bindi | or a whole desktop is an actual terminal |
| 07:46.36 | bindi | tried googling but doesnt exist :< |
| 07:46.42 | hiemanshu | bindi: make one? :P |
| 07:46.47 | bindi | not with my skills |
| 07:46.51 | bindi | if it takes php, sure! |
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| 07:47.53 | khertan | lol |
| 07:48.03 | wazd | hi all |
| 07:48.10 | khertan | hiemanshu, you see dev gone crazy ... php ... js ... :) |
| 07:48.39 | bindi | :( |
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| 07:49.58 | hiemanshu | khertan: a FEA, the add account button in khweeteur should be on the top, people like me are lazy to scroll down |
| 07:51.00 | khertan | hiemanshu, indeed :) |
| 07:51.29 | hiemanshu | khertan: ok, so khweeteur crashed a few times |
| 07:51.31 | hiemanshu | :/ |
| 07:51.41 | khertan | hiemanshu, on maemo ? |
| 07:51.44 | hiemanshu | yup |
| 07:52.20 | khertan | uh ... which pyside version did you have ? |
| 07:52.32 | khertan | i ve some user having segfault on qtcore that i didn't understand |
| 07:53.01 | hiemanshu | khertan: the one it installed on its own |
| 07:53.03 | khertan | which happen while bytecompiling the python source file |
| 07:53.12 | hiemanshu | ok crashed again |
| 07:53.17 | hiemanshu | random crashes :/ |
| 07:53.27 | khertan | hiemanshu, could you launch it from xterm please ? |
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| 07:54.17 | hiemanshu | khertan: its making a new bug, bug 848 |
| 07:54.18 | povbot | 04Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/848 libgtk2.0-bin doesn't upgrade if an old version of libXfixes is present |
| 07:57.36 | khertan | lol poorbot |
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| 07:58.11 | khertan | no tb_back ... strange |
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| 08:03.52 | khertan | hiemanshu, thx |
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| 08:04.54 | hiemanshu | khertan: my pleasure, /me needed an app on maemo |
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| 08:05.42 | hiemanshu | khertan: I like the way you show the actual message in small when there is a reply to it |
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| 08:17.29 | hiemanshu | khertan: even the N8 works fine, but N9 wont :/ |
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| 08:19.24 | khertan | hiemanshu, yep this is something many client do not do ... and i like it this way ... so you can understand talk more easily |
| 08:19.42 | khertan | hiemanshu, what work fine on the n8 ? |
| 08:19.45 | hiemanshu | khertan: yup |
| 08:19.48 | hiemanshu | khertan: plain Qt |
| 08:20.05 | khertan | hiemanshu, hum ... just avoid some qdialog :) |
| 08:20.19 | hiemanshu | yeah, no QDialog :D |
| 08:20.58 | khertan | have just see how to do a filedialog in qml ... you need to create a qml extension in c++ |
| 08:21.00 | khertan | haha |
| 08:21.04 | khertan | qml #fail again |
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| 08:21.25 | hiemanshu | hah |
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| 08:21.34 | hiemanshu | just QFileDialog and done :D |
| 08:21.37 | hiemanshu | +use |
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| 08:34.25 | MohammadAG | hiemanshu, QDialogs work on the N8 |
| 08:34.35 | MohammadAG | just use showMaximized() |
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| 08:35.33 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: well yes, but I dont need them right now |
| 08:35.42 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: btw did you get sociality to work? |
| 08:36.12 | MohammadAG | hiemanshu, on the N950? Nope, Operation Not Permtted |
| 08:36.22 | MohammadAG | <3 Aegis |
| 08:36.23 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: ah, I got my app running though |
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| 08:36.44 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: http://imgur.com/a/da46U |
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| 08:36.47 | hiemanshu | bad bad theming :/ |
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| 08:37.52 | MohammadAG | hiemanshu, that's not themed |
| 08:38.01 | MohammadAG | Harmattan has plain Qt themed |
| 08:38.37 | hiemanshu | right, but sbox showed it themed |
| 08:38.39 | Khertan | hiemanshu, did you try to launch it with -style meegotouch |
| 08:38.57 | hiemanshu | Khertan: I had QApplication::setStyle |
| 08:39.00 | MohammadAG | the N950 should show it themed too |
| 08:39.22 | MohammadAG | they don't matter |
| 08:39.29 | Khertan | MohammadAG, in bug report they said they will remove it from repository |
| 08:39.33 | MohammadAG | if you have the style installed it defaults to it |
| 08:39.44 | MohammadAG | chokes |
| 08:39.59 | MohammadAG | Khertan, what?! |
| 08:40.17 | hiemanshu | I am not going to learn QML if they dont give me a N950, instead I'll work on maintaing meegotouch-qt-style |
| 08:42.00 | Khertan | MohammadAG, https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=20035#c1 |
| 08:42.01 | povbot | 04Bug 20035: was not found. |
| 08:42.17 | Khertan | https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17034 |
| 08:42.18 | povbot | 04Bug 17034: was not found. |
| 08:42.32 | MohammadAG | you're mixing MeeGo and Harmattan Khertan |
| 08:42.47 | jonwil | bah, totally out of ideas of things to work on :( |
| 08:42.57 | Khertan | MohammadAG, ;) Harmattan isn't a mix ? |
| 08:43.38 | MohammadAG | point is, if they remove it from MeeGo, that doesn't mean it'll be gone on Harmattan |
| 08:43.52 | MohammadAG | also Harmattan's theme looks a lot better |
| 08:44.27 | cloudyLights | <jonwil> hi |
| 08:44.31 | Khertan | point is that we have only one handset device that didn't use a true meego base, and we have already begin fragmentation |
| 08:44.37 | cloudyLights | any news regarding lib location? |
| 08:45.21 | Khertan | MohammadAG, i hope, as my try from the harmattan sb sdk was a huge failure |
| 08:45.26 | Khertan | MohammadAG, bugged everywhere |
| 08:45.32 | Khertan | MohammadAG, with many segfault |
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| 08:47.52 | hiemanshu | jonwil: write a google reader client :D |
| 08:48.01 | MohammadAG | Khertan, it's a beta SDK :p |
| 08:48.13 | Venemo | if I install the Harmattan SDK on top of my already existing Fremantle and Diablo SDK, will it keep the Fremantle/Diablo targets? |
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| 08:48.21 | hiemanshu | Venemo: yes |
| 08:48.30 | MohammadAG | Venemo, manually, yes |
| 08:48.35 | MohammadAG | not sure about the script |
| 08:48.37 | jonwil | Not interested in a Google Reader client :P |
| 08:48.45 | Venemo | I'm using the installer .py script |
| 08:48.57 | hiemanshu | Venemo: even the script will |
| 08:49.00 | hiemanshu | I ahve it running fine |
| 08:49.06 | Khertan | MohammadAG, yep just hope, as many nokia qt guy say that Qt Plain will not work |
| 08:49.11 | Venemo | hiemanshu, on F15 as well, I assume? |
| 08:49.11 | cloudyLights | <jonwil> gather cellular info to log file |
| 08:49.17 | hiemanshu | Venemo: yup |
| 08:49.19 | RST38h | Hello, gentlemen |
| 08:49.22 | MohammadAG | look for a pastebin.com link that has my name before it and was pasted by javispedro in logs |
| 08:49.24 | RST38h | Anything new and exciting? |
| 08:49.28 | Venemo | hiemanshu, okay, then I'm not worrying :) |
| 08:49.28 | cloudyLights | so when a certain tower appears I am alerted |
| 08:49.44 | Venemo | Khertan, what do you mean, Qt Plain will not work? |
| 08:49.47 | hiemanshu | Venemo: for once the sdk .py didn't have to fixed or edited :D |
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| 08:49.56 | Khertan | Venemo, we don't know yet |
| 08:50.04 | Venemo | hiemanshu :) |
| 08:50.04 | hiemanshu | Venemo: well so far its not themed |
| 08:50.14 | Venemo | not themed? |
| 08:50.16 | Venemo | wtf? |
| 08:50.24 | Venemo | but there _is_ a Qt Style for Harmattan |
| 08:50.24 | hiemanshu | Venemo: http://imgur.com/a/da46U |
| 08:50.27 | hiemanshu | from RDA |
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| 08:51.03 | Khertan | Venemo, sdk seems to say yes but not ready, some qt guys says no use qml qwidget deprecated ..., meego.com bug report say deprecated and will be removed from repository |
| 08:51.15 | Venemo | lol |
| 08:51.20 | Venemo | QWidgets are _NOT_ deprecated |
| 08:51.31 | Venemo | they are "Done", and moved to a different library for Qt 5 |
| 08:51.39 | Venemo | but not "deprecated" |
| 08:51.41 | Venemo | lol |
| 08:51.45 | flailingmonkey | "stable" |
| 08:51.48 | flailingmonkey | heh |
| 08:52.04 | MohammadAG | #meego says they are, they're not |
| 08:52.04 | Khertan | Venemo, there is different sound ... from different people |
| 08:52.25 | Venemo | Khertan, well, what I said is the official view from Qt Labs. |
| 08:52.37 | Khertan | Venemo, thx for the info |
| 08:52.41 | Venemo | and I know for a fact that there is a QMeegoTouchStyle |
| 08:52.52 | Venemo | so if it's not working properly, then it's a bug. |
| 08:53.00 | MohammadAG | QMaemo6Style* |
| 08:53.20 | Venemo | yes, that too |
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| 08:53.29 | Venemo | [10:52] <Venemo> so if it's not working properly, then it's a bug. |
| 08:54.32 | Khertan | Venemo, at least it s not working properly currently in Harmattan SDK |
| 08:54.54 | Venemo | plus, these plans of "deprecating" or "moving to a separate module" are _only_ for Qt 5 |
| 08:55.08 | Venemo | they are still there in libQtGui in Qt4.x, so they have no excuse for this one |
| 08:55.22 | Venemo | and I won't use QML until at least the next version of it. |
| 08:55.27 | Khertan | (beta sdk) don't know if i should submit bug and where to |
| 08:55.36 | Khertan | Venemo, same here ... qml not ready for my use |
| 08:55.51 | Venemo | in my current app, I wouldn't gain anything by using QML |
| 08:56.01 | Khertan | Venemo, i m happy to hear i m not the only one to not use qml |
| 08:56.20 | Khertan | Venemo, in my current app it s a regression |
| 08:56.46 | jonwil | There has to be a list of things the CSSU needs somewhere |
| 08:56.53 | Khertan | Venemo, did you know if there is plan to port qt5 to Fremantle ? |
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| 08:57.31 | Venemo | Khertan, MohammadAG and myself are strongly not using QML currently because of its shortcomings. |
| 08:58.01 | Venemo | Khertan, I'm not aware of any official Fremantle plans, but that doesn't mean there aren't any. ask achipa about this |
| 08:58.45 | Jaffa | Khertan: Read this week's MWKN - it's got a thing on where to submit SDK bugs |
| 08:59.36 | Khertan | Jaffa, thx |
| 08:59.39 | jonwil | I see no reason why a community port of QT5 to Fremantle couldn't happen if the demand from the community was there |
| 08:59.52 | jonwil | Its open source after all |
| 09:00.01 | Khertan | jonwil, look at the try to port 4.7.2 to Fremantle |
| 09:00.05 | MohammadAG | Venemo, I started looking into QML |
| 09:00.08 | Khertan | jonwil, in the cssu |
| 09:00.29 | Khertan | jonwil, we wasn't able to fix the raster engine bug ... so i doubt of a full port |
| 09:00.30 | Khertan | :) |
| 09:00.43 | MohammadAG | not progressing though, yet |
| 09:00.52 | Khertan | MohammadAG, traitor |
| 09:00.56 | Khertan | :) |
| 09:01.08 | MohammadAG | 4.7.4 is maemo upstream now |
| 09:01.13 | jonwil | I think a port of cellular-qt to Fremantle would be nice... |
| 09:01.17 | MohammadAG | but still has the raster bug |
| 09:01.32 | Khertan | MohammadAG, :( |
| 09:01.33 | jonwil | Whats hard about fixing this raster bug? |
| 09:01.40 | Khertan | jonwil, to found it ... |
| 09:01.42 | Venemo | jonwil, finding what causes it... |
| 09:02.13 | Khertan | jonwil, i ve try to revert every git commit ... without founding it |
| 09:02.19 | hiemanshu | exactly |
| 09:02.20 | Venemo | hiemanshu, is your comic reader app installable on F15 or Maemo5? |
| 09:02.35 | hiemanshu | Venemo: Maemo5 yes, do you want a deb? |
| 09:03.02 | jonwil | is cellular-qt open? |
| 09:03.26 | hiemanshu | Venemo: and F15 yes, with a few changes |
| 09:03.34 | MohammadAG | Khertan, you sure you reverted every commit? |
| 09:03.45 | MohammadAG | cause eventually you would've reached the non buggy Qt |
| 09:03.55 | Khertan | MohammadAG, sure not ... |
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| 09:04.11 | MohammadAG | which was introduced somewhere between 4.7.0 and 4.7.1 |
| 09:04.14 | Khertan | MohammadAG, as i didn't reach the non buggy qt |
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| 09:04.43 | Venemo | hiemanshu, I want 'yum install' or 'apt-get install' |
| 09:05.05 | jonwil | damn, looks like cellular-qt is not open :( |
| 09:05.20 | hiemanshu | Venemo: its still a WIP, so I haven't really added them to repos |
| 09:05.26 | Venemo | hiemanshu, for example, you can 'yum install puzzle-master' on your F15 to get my app and 'apt-get install puzzle-master' on Maemo 5 to get it |
| 09:06.13 | hiemanshu | Venemo: right, but I haven't updated it yet, not unless I fill out the other two pushbuttons (I am waiting on permissions) |
| 09:06.36 | Venemo | mhm |
| 09:06.40 | Venemo | all right |
| 09:07.07 | Venemo | I'll wait it out then |
| 09:07.24 | hiemanshu | Venemo: you could always dpkg -i it |
| 09:07.55 | flailingmonkey | MohammadAG: are you saying the raster bug didn't exist in 4.7.0? |
| 09:08.09 | Venemo | hiemanshu, on F15? |
| 09:08.12 | Venemo | flailingmonkey, that is correct |
| 09:08.21 | Venemo | flailingmonkey, not even in 4.7.1 |
| 09:08.22 | hiemanshu | Venemo: on maemo5 |
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| 09:08.34 | flailingmonkey | MohammadAG: it's possible that the true cause of the bug existed/was introduced earlier but was "protected" from being revealed by other bugs |
| 09:08.58 | Venemo | hiemanshu, is the app OSS? maybe I'll just get the sources then |
| 09:09.32 | hiemanshu | Venemo: it is, but the sources are messed up, I am going to push later in the evening today |
| 09:09.37 | MohammadAG | flailingmonkey, well, it's not in 4.8.0 |
| 09:09.53 | MohammadAG | but 4.8.0 is a technical preview, so I can't push that |
| 09:10.03 | MohammadAG | oh one more thing |
| 09:10.16 | MohammadAG | are there Qt 4.7.5-4.7.9? |
| 09:10.30 | Venemo | I don't think so |
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| 09:10.43 | flailingmonkey | MohammadAG: it makes me cring when numbering gets to something like 4.7.11 |
| 09:10.51 | Venemo | hiemanshu, okay, just gimme a link at the evening then :) |
| 09:11.00 | hiemanshu | Venemo: ok awesome |
| 09:14.20 | Venemo | is there a command to start the GUI on the SDK? |
| 09:15.49 | ruskie | fun... create for millions - nokia s40 contest nice to see it still being promoted |
| 09:17.15 | Venemo | hm |
| 09:17.23 | Venemo | I have trouble with my debian control file... |
| 09:19.01 | Khertan | Venemo, meego-sb-* |
| 09:19.25 | Venemo | meego-sb-session ? |
| 09:19.25 | Khertan | Venemo, it s explained on harmattan-dev.nokia.com |
| 09:19.34 | Venemo | ok, I'll get breakfast |
| 09:19.36 | Venemo | brb |
| 09:19.37 | Khertan | Venemo, yep meego-sb-session start |
| 09:21.25 | hiemanshu | Venemo: start Xephyr, and then meego-sb-session start right away |
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| 09:37.09 | MohammadAG | hiemanshu, you forgot setting $DISPLAY :p |
| 09:37.27 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: well no, it auto sets display for me |
| 09:38.01 | hiemanshu | cdl ++ |
| 09:40.37 | Jaffa | X-Fade: ping |
| 09:41.12 | Jaffa | X-Fade: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=3694 - will the Harmattan COBS target use Scratchbox, i.e. will checking for $SBOX_UNAME_MACHINE return "true"? |
| 09:41.27 | hiemanshu | Venemo: https://github.com/hiemanshu/komedia/tree/N900 |
| 09:41.36 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: have the link to the nokia sdk bug report? |
| 09:41.59 | lardman | morning |
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| 09:43.26 | X-Fade | Jaffa: No, it won't. |
| 09:47.07 | bindi | ha, fixed my problem |
| 09:47.56 | Jaffa | X-Fade: OK, thanks |
| 09:49.50 | Jaffa | X-Fade: Do you know if there is an env. variable which could be used to identify OBS builds? There must be one, after all... |
| 09:52.29 | Venemo | hiemanshu, can you gimme a line to launch Xephyr? |
| 09:52.33 | lardman | Any Nokians about who are involved in GPS stuff? |
| 09:53.16 | lardman | I'm just wondering whether the Nokia SUPL server will provide LTO data? |
| 09:53.47 | alterego | What's LTO? |
| 09:53.54 | lardman | Long Time Orbit |
| 09:54.06 | lardman | http://www.broadcom.com/collateral/tb/LTO-TB100-R.pdf |
| 09:54.28 | alterego | Hmmm, I donmt think it does. Is that jusually in the ephemeris? |
| 09:54.42 | hiemanshu | Venemo: http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Harmattan:Platform_Guide/Getting_started_with_Harmattan_Platform_SDK/Installing_Harmattan_Platform_SDK/Non-Debian |
| 09:55.03 | alterego | I'd like to see A-GPS integrated into GSM |
| 09:55.16 | alterego | So it's free to use, no need to have a data connection :/ |
| 09:55.18 | Venemo | thx hiemanshu |
| 09:55.30 | hiemanshu | Venemo: I also linked you the source btw |
| 09:55.44 | lardman | alterego: it is high accuracy ephemeris data which is valid for ~4 days |
| 09:55.45 | Venemo | hiemanshu, yep, I saw, just haven't got the time to react yet :P |
| 09:56.06 | lardman | alterego: it's hard to know really, as the request probably asks for whatever it wants |
| 09:56.09 | hiemanshu | Venemo: well I still fixing some stupid mistakes I did here and there |
| 09:56.13 | lardman | from the SUPL server |
| 09:56.16 | alterego | lardman: yeah, I get it, didn't recognise the cronym for some reason. |
| 09:56.32 | Venemo | all right |
| 09:56.35 | Venemo | the question now is |
| 09:56.52 | alterego | lardman: sure but all agps needs is the ephemeris package to upload into the gps |
| 09:57.00 | Venemo | how do I make a single control file to work with both Fremantle and Harmattan? |
| 09:57.05 | alterego | This can be auto loaded by cell towers |
| 09:57.20 | hiemanshu | Venemo: soft links? |
| 09:57.30 | Venemo | hiemanshu, what do you mean? |
| 09:58.00 | alterego | Venemo: pick the lowest common denominator for dpkg deps and it should work |
| 09:58.11 | Venemo | alterego, nope |
| 09:58.18 | alterego | The custom fields not recognised by fremantle should be ignored no? |
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| 09:58.29 | Venemo | alterego, for Fremantle, I want to depend on something that is specific to Fremantle |
| 09:58.33 | lardman | alterego: yes, but if your ephemeris data go out of date (which is only a matter of hours), and your net connection is poor or non-existant then LTO can help there |
| 09:58.37 | alterego | Ah, hmm |
| 09:59.05 | lardman | currently has only 2G in the countryside where he lives and driving around I can drop off the signal map completely |
| 09:59.09 | alterego | lardman: sure, I was talking about agps in general, I don't think lto is distributed |
| 09:59.10 | hiemanshu | Venemo: nvm, /me was thinking of something else |
| 09:59.43 | lardman | On the N900 a central server was used for the SUPL data |
| 10:00.42 | alterego | lardman: it's the same for all Nokia agps |
| 10:01.02 | Venemo | X-Fade, ping |
| 10:01.19 | lardman | which means if they support LTO on the SUPL server, we (or at least I with my dodgy coverage) could benefit |
| 10:01.21 | X-Fade | Venemo: pong |
| 10:01.23 | Venemo | X-Fade, would this approach work on the auto-builder? http://raphaelhertzog.com/2010/09/27/different-dependencies-between-debian-and-ubuntu-but-common-source-package/ |
| 10:01.48 | Venemo | X-Fade, I want my package to have a fremantle-specific dependency on Fremantle |
| 10:01.55 | alterego | lardman: I'll ask some people when they come on line that work in that area. |
| 10:02.17 | lardman | thanks |
| 10:02.20 | X-Fade | Venemo: Just use a | dependency then? |
| 10:02.38 | lardman | alterego: I'd need a device too mind you ;) |
| 10:02.39 | Venemo | X-Fade, please elaborate |
| 10:03.17 | X-Fade | Venemo: Is it a lib which is different in fremantle than in debian or so? |
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| 10:03.53 | Venemo | not exactly. it is a lib which is present in fremantle but not in others |
| 10:03.56 | Venemo | I currently use: Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 5), libqt4-dev (>= 4.5), libqtm-dev | maemo-version (<< 5.0), libqtm-sensors | maemo-version (<< 5.0), libhildon-extras1-dev | maemo-version (<< 5.0) |
| 10:04.04 | Venemo | which makes it build on both Diablo and Fremantle |
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| 10:04.27 | Venemo | question is, how can I make it build on Harmattan, which has neither maemo-version nor libhildon-extras1-dev |
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| 10:05.29 | flailingmonkey | assume Harmattan when neither exist...? |
| 10:05.35 | flailingmonkey | (ugly i know) |
| 10:05.39 | X-Fade | Venemo: Well for Harmattan I would just keep a separate debian dir. As in OBS you can submit your debian.tar.gz separately. |
| 10:06.10 | Venemo | X-Fade, I prefer to keep a single debian dir, beause the only difference is this single package. |
| 10:06.11 | X-Fade | Venemo: But you can go really fancy with the debain tools, sure. |
| 10:06.20 | Jaffa | X-Fade: Of course, it's not entirely clear how you build that when using the Qt SDK as dpkg-buildpackage assumes you're building a native package |
| 10:06.28 | Venemo | X-Fade, that is why I asked whether the approach on that link would work in the auto-builder or not :) |
| 10:07.03 | Jaffa | Venemo: I've got symlinks between qtc_packaging/debian_harmattan and ..._fremantle for copyright, control, changelog etc. However, it looks like thy should be completely sharable. |
| 10:07.09 | X-Fade | Venemo: The autobuilder is just a scratchbox with some tools on top. So if it works in your local SB, it works there too. |
| 10:07.29 | Venemo | Jaffa, yeah |
| 10:07.33 | Venemo | X-Fade, all right, thank you :) |
| 10:08.05 | alterego | Quim seems to have the list already :/ |
| 10:08.10 | alterego | shits himself |
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| 10:08.22 | MohammadAG | lol was just gonna say that |
| 10:08.24 | Jaffa | alterego: And not enough good submissions for 250 |
| 10:08.37 | alterego | Jaffa: seriously? |
| 10:08.42 | alterego | Eek .. |
| 10:08.49 | Jaffa | X-Fade: Thoughts on how to build source.tar.gz, debian.tar.gz and *.dsc from the Qt SDK structure welcome at http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=3694 |
| 10:09.19 | X-Fade | Jaffa: I have no idea. |
| 10:09.20 | MohammadAG | alterego, yep, he expected more |
| 10:09.25 | Venemo | meh! Harmattan SDK doesn't even have a /etc/dpkg/origins/ |
| 10:09.29 | Jaffa | alterego: http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=23994&postcount=123 |
| 10:09.34 | MohammadAG | if only he could post the list he's been through |
| 10:09.41 | Jaffa | X-Fade: Fair enough. I've emailed Jeremiah to see if he's got any dpkg foo |
| 10:09.42 | MohammadAG | it'd help, in a way |
| 10:09.47 | Jaffa | s/foo/-fu/ |
| 10:09.56 | alterego | Well, I have more ideas, I'm willing to accept multiple devices ;) |
| 10:10.06 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 10:10.28 | X-Fade | Jaffa: Why not just create a small script which grabs the files and creates a tarball after you have done the regular stuff? |
| 10:10.50 | Jaffa | X-Fade: The dsc file checksums won't match |
| 10:11.08 | X-Fade | Jaffa: So you are saying your sed skills suck? :) |
| 10:11.13 | alterego | Hahah |
| 10:11.27 | Jaffa | X-Fade: I tried creating a tarball of everything but 'debian' as attitude_0.9.2.orig.tar.gz alongside but then dpkg-buildpackage has a fit |
| 10:11.41 | X-Fade | But yeah, those would need to be updated. |
| 10:11.45 | Jaffa | X-Fade: Are you suggesting I give up on dpkg-buildpackage completely and just generate the dsc file manually? ;-) |
| 10:12.26 | MohammadAG | umm, will qgil send emails to the people who "win" the N950 directly, or will he send all emails in one batch? |
| 10:12.40 | X-Fade | Jaffa: You are allowed to keep your debian dir in the source of course. But that might make it more ugly when you compile for MeeGo rpm. |
| 10:12.41 | Jaffa | X-Fade: BTW, very willing to start testing things in Harmattan OBS ;-) |
| 10:12.55 | X-Fade | Jaffa: Yeah, well.... issues. |
| 10:13.07 | Venemo | hm |
| 10:13.07 | X-Fade | Jaffa: curse busybox :) |
| 10:13.08 | MohammadAG | me too, I have libs to be pushed :) |
| 10:13.13 | Venemo | swipe is buggy in the Harmattan SDK |
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| 10:13.38 | Jaffa | MohammadAG: People able to help? We've got some hackers kicking around |
| 10:13.46 | alterego | Yeah, I'd like to push some stuff to the Harmattan OBS too. |
| 10:14.17 | MohammadAG | start a competition, only 1 OBS account will be given out |
| 10:14.25 | alterego | :) |
| 10:14.30 | alterego | To 250 devs? |
| 10:14.35 | alterego | Applications now? |
| 10:15.00 | Khertan | MohammadAG, we will be fixed at end of the week :) |
| 10:15.56 | MohammadAG | alterego, no, there can only be one dev |
| 10:16.57 | Venemo | http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=23994&postcount=123 |
| 10:17.13 | MohammadAG | you're late Venemo :P |
| 10:17.25 | Venemo | ? |
| 10:17.49 | alterego | Heh |
| 10:17.57 | Jaffa | X-Fade: Harmattan OBS needs: source tarball, dsc, debian.tar.gz? Does the 'debian.tar.gz' contain a 'debian/' prefix? |
| 10:18.06 | Venemo | well, I have not been sent either a yes neither a no yet |
| 10:18.16 | X-Fade | Jaffa: It just extracts it in the source dir. |
| 10:18.21 | X-Fade | Jaffa: So yeah. |
| 10:18.24 | Jaffa | X-Fade: OK, ta. |
| 10:18.44 | Jaffa | is going to write a script which takes a Qt SDK project and produces those |
| 10:18.50 | Jaffa | X-Fade: Is there any signing required? |
| 10:19.08 | Jaffa | X-Fade: Or is it handled, like the autobuilder, by authenticating the uploader |
| 10:19.12 | MohammadAG | Venemo, by the end of the week I think |
| 10:19.17 | Venemo | yep |
| 10:19.19 | X-Fade | Jaffa: No, but you can sign. |
| 10:19.21 | MohammadAG | also, I'm not sure which email I'm getting the yes/no in |
| 10:19.24 | Venemo | hm |
| 10:19.40 | Venemo | meego-sb-session start doesn't work for me on HARMATTAN_X86 |
| 10:20.08 | Khertan | qgil Missing more proposals to port great Linux desktop projects to MeeGo @ N950 device program. Forward! Apply today! ... hum ... so it s seems some was refused quickly :) |
| 10:20.36 | flailingmonkey | Quim is going to post a nice list of accepted projects too |
| 10:20.46 | Khertan | lol i m late too |
| 10:20.59 | Venemo | on that, http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=23894&postcount=107 |
| 10:21.13 | flailingmonkey | I really wanted to have something worthwhile to put for an app |
| 10:21.35 | Jaffa | X-Fade: So, signing accepted but not required. Good - makes the script easier :-) |
| 10:21.43 | flailingmonkey | but I don't have anything I've written before, and my idea was to create a Qt-based activity viewer for Zietgiest |
| 10:22.22 | flailingmonkey | but I don't know if Zeitgiest is even in Harmattan... I didn't feel worthy of such a sexy device as the N950 :p |
| 10:22.48 | Khertan | is crossing finger |
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| 10:24.00 | Khertan | but my app will be out of scope ... a source code without keyboard .... :( ... Khweeteur a twitter client ... already integrated in n9 ... rest the new planned apps which didn't exist yet |
| 10:24.14 | Khertan | s/source code/source code editor |
| 10:24.39 | Venemo | Khertan :( |
| 10:24.44 | flailingmonkey | Khertan: still, you have proven history of app development |
| 10:24.53 | Khertan | flailingmonkey, indeed |
| 10:24.53 | Khertan | :) |
| 10:25.21 | Khertan | only future know the truth :) |
| 10:25.22 | Khertan | :) |
| 10:25.22 | Venemo | Khertan, Khweeteur and KhtEditor are there and show that you are really able and willing to make apps |
| 10:25.39 | flailingmonkey | Khertan: I don't have anything to point to, and I really think the devices should go to those who are already developing |
| 10:25.39 | Khertan | ;) w8 and see :) |
| 10:25.56 | MohammadAG | would be fun if qgil ended this all next week with a "This was just a test to see who'd apply, we're giving N950s to all 530 applicants!" |
| 10:26.01 | flailingmonkey | 12 mega pixel camera I hear |
| 10:26.10 | Khertan | MohammadAG, hi hi also :) |
| 10:26.10 | MohammadAG | no, 8 |
| 10:26.16 | Khertan | flailingmonkey, rumors ... |
| 10:26.28 | MohammadAG | no, not rumors |
| 10:26.38 | Venemo | MohammadAG, :D |
| 10:26.46 | MohammadAG | the old revision of the dev device had 64GBs of storage, 512MBs of RAM, and a 12MP cam |
| 10:27.00 | MohammadAG | the new one being sent out has 16GBs, 1GB of RAM and an 8MP cam |
| 10:27.03 | Venemo | MohammadAG, or they could say, "This was just a test to see who'd apply, the N950 was just a hoax" |
| 10:27.05 | Khertan | ah ... you know the new one ? |
| 10:27.30 | MohammadAG | yeah, we met in a park :P |
| 10:27.36 | Khertan | MohammadAG, did you know if there is a sd card slot ? |
| 10:27.39 | Khertan | MohammadAG, hihi |
| 10:27.40 | Khertan | :) |
| 10:27.45 | alterego | No SD slot |
| 10:27.49 | lardman | MohammadAG: so the one you were using yesterday was an old one? |
| 10:27.51 | Venemo | MohammadAG, srsly??? |
| 10:27.53 | MohammadAG | no SD slot from specs list, could be wrong |
| 10:27.58 | MohammadAG | well I hope I'm wrong |
| 10:28.07 | Venemo | [12:27] <MohammadAG> yeah, we met in a park :P ---> seriously? |
| 10:28.16 | Venemo | are there even parks in there? |
| 10:28.23 | lardman | behind some bushes no doubt |
| 10:28.40 | MohammadAG | :P |
| 10:28.50 | MohammadAG | Venemo, look up the definition of ":P" |
| 10:29.01 | Khertan | gmail : refreshing rate too fast :) |
| 10:29.02 | Khertan | hihi |
| 10:29.28 | MohammadAG | It probably means "qgil's going through applications and I'm shittnig myself, and laughing it up" |
| 10:29.36 | Venemo | :P |
| 10:29.40 | cloudyLights | oh ya |
| 10:29.53 | Venemo | MohammadAG, so, he told you that he's gonna send you an N950 |
| 10:30.01 | psycho_oreos | wow, new one is 16GB and 8MP camera.. what a great change from 64GB with 12MP camera just for upping the memory |
| 10:30.11 | MohammadAG | I wish he did |
| 10:30.18 | cloudyLights | can anyone share advice on which distro using xen to use to start a new vps for scratchbox? |
| 10:30.29 | cloudyLights | to allow me development? |
| 10:30.30 | X-Fade | psycho_oreos: It is just a dev device :) |
| 10:30.35 | MohammadAG | Ubuntu server |
| 10:30.37 | lardman | psycho_oreos: well MPix is not important, strange the drop in GB for the storage though |
| 10:30.40 | cloudyLights | debian+xen? |
| 10:30.51 | cloudyLights | I am kind of new to xen |
| 10:30.52 | flailingmonkey | I'd rather have 8MP camera and 1GB of RAM |
| 10:30.55 | Venemo | well, meego-sb-session start doesn't work for me from HARMATTAN_X86 |
| 10:31.03 | Khertan | i prefer the 1Gb of Ram |
| 10:31.08 | lardman | +1 |
| 10:31.10 | MohammadAG | export DISPLAY=:2 Venemo |
| 10:31.15 | Khertan | Venemo, hum strange works for me |
| 10:31.20 | psycho_oreos | X-Fade, indeed though I was a little more hopeful that with a dev device they'd beef it up to the higher spec N9 rather than shoving in 16GB and be happy |
| 10:31.23 | Khertan | did you launch Xephyr ? |
| 10:31.44 | Venemo | export DISPLAY=:2 doesn't make it work either |
| 10:31.45 | Jaffa | X-Fade: Does OBS have "debian.tar.gz" hardcoded? |
| 10:31.47 | psycho_oreos | lardman, then again its funny how they've removed 12MP camera.. ah well |
| 10:31.56 | Khertan | psycho_oreos, a dev didn't need storage ... ram is more welcome |
| 10:31.59 | X-Fade | Jaffa: afaik, yes. |
| 10:32.04 | Jaffa | X-Fade: Bah |
| 10:32.20 | psycho_oreos | Khertan, I was hoping more of more RAM and more storage :) |
| 10:32.27 | edheldil | bad luck my wherigo client is still in pre-alpha |
| 10:32.33 | X-Fade | psycho_oreos: Typically you want dev devices slower and more limited then target. So developers do a better job. |
| 10:32.37 | Jaffa | X-Fade: What about autobuilder for fremantle? Can that take multiple tar.gzs and sticks them all together? |
| 10:32.46 | X-Fade | Jaffa: no |
| 10:32.58 | X-Fade | Jaffa: Well, orig and diff works. |
| 10:32.59 | psycho_oreos | ahh well at the end of the day it is a dev device no matter how you put it |
| 10:32.59 | flailingmonkey | the drop in GB is just cheaper flash chips, plenty of manufacturing savings |
| 10:33.00 | Khertan | psycho_oreos, it s better to have similar specs than the targetted device |
| 10:33.19 | Khertan | X-Fade, +1 |
| 10:33.24 | psycho_oreos | X-Fade, not really imo :) you can play with ulimits and what not to emulate the target device |
| 10:33.38 | lardman | Will the N9 have a different camera? |
| 10:33.44 | X-Fade | psycho_oreos: Creates lazy coders :) |
| 10:33.53 | X-Fade | lardman: yes. |
| 10:33.53 | Venemo | lardman, yep, different unit |
| 10:33.59 | psycho_oreos | Khertan, somewhat similar :) its only now equivalent to the low end of N9 if you compare it literally.. and without NFC |
| 10:34.12 | Jaffa | X-Fade: Will attitude_0.9.2.orig.tar.gz and debian.tar.gz work on Harmattan COBS? |
| 10:34.17 | psycho_oreos | X-Fade, lol I dunno about that ;) |
| 10:34.20 | lardman | Hmm, ok, thanks chaps |
| 10:34.27 | Venemo | MohammadAG, http://pastebin.com/dcmEVgx5 |
| 10:34.28 | Jaffa | X-Fade: Or is it just attitude.tar.gz and debian.tar.gz which are needed? |
| 10:34.30 | MohammadAG | lardman, same camera on the front, different one on the back |
| 10:34.42 | Venemo | the big deal is, "ERROR: No DBUS session bus found." |
| 10:34.46 | X-Fade | Jaffa: I think so. But we'd need to test. |
| 10:34.49 | Venemo | and the GUI doesn't appear at all |
| 10:34.55 | lardman | MohammadAG: ok, I'm just thinking of the fiddling that was necessary with mBarcode to get the camera on the N900 working adequately |
| 10:34.57 | Venemo | strangely, it worked on HARMATTAN_ARMEL |
| 10:34.57 | X-Fade | Jaffa: You can test that with the ubuntu target now already. |
| 10:35.03 | Jaffa | X-Fade: Ah, cool. |
| 10:35.15 | MohammadAG | Venemo, meego-run |
| 10:35.35 | MohammadAG | or source /tmp/session_bus_address.user |
| 10:35.46 | Khertan | meego-run replace af-run-standalone of the maemo sdk :) |
| 10:35.54 | MohammadAG | lardman, doesn't it use Qt Mobility? |
| 10:36.19 | Venemo | MohammadAG, now the app seems to be running, but the Xephyr screen is still empty |
| 10:36.19 | lardman | MohammadAG: not for the camera no, it requires access to the individial frames, and uses pipelining too |
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| 10:36.49 | lardman | video frames that is |
| 10:36.55 | MohammadAG | oh, so gstreamer? |
| 10:37.00 | lardman | yep |
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| 10:38.54 | lardman | I'm going to take this opportunity to separate out the decoder parts from the camera parts from the UI and allow the first two to be more easily embedded in apps |
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| 10:40.40 | Jaffa | X-Fade: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?p=24002#post24002 FYI |
| 10:42.13 | X-Fade | Jaffa: Ok, cool. |
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| 10:43.28 | achipa | Khertan: Venemo: no plans, Maemo5 was a separate branch anyway, forwart porting would probably require significant effort |
| 10:44.12 | lardman | hmm, so .spec stands for spectacle does it? |
| 10:44.17 | Mece_ | konttori writes that you have flash in fennec on N9 |
| 10:44.23 | Khertan | :) |
| 10:44.55 | alterego | Mece_: I found that out yesterday :P |
| 10:45.05 | alterego | Looks like some people picked up on me tweet |
| 10:46.27 | Mece_ | so... perhaps some about:config hacking would enable it in default browser |
| 10:47.18 | alterego | default browser is webkit not gecko |
| 10:47.51 | Mece_ | alterego, ah, right. well, I guess it can't use the same plugin then.. |
| 10:48.03 | MohammadAG | alterego, couldn't find flash* on the N950 |
| 10:48.26 | alterego | MohammadAG: not suprising, we'll have to wait and see, N9 firmware is different to N950 |
| 10:48.43 | flailingmonkey | N950 might not have Flash at all... |
| 10:48.54 | alterego | indeed |
| 10:49.39 | flailingmonkey | I look forward to someone writing up an indepth comparison of day to day use of N950 vs N900 |
| 10:50.05 | lardman | I see from one of Quim's tweets that he hopes to send some if not all posts by the end of the week, which means not too long to wait |
| 10:50.34 | MohammadAG | end of week is sunday right? |
| 10:50.37 | alterego | lardman: I think he plans on posting a list today actually ;) |
| 10:50.56 | lardman | alterego: cool, well I guess that counts as before the end of the week :) |
| 10:51.00 | flailingmonkey | from the looks of it, Nokia could keep the base design to use with next gen chipset design... save on the design work |
| 10:51.32 | flailingmonkey | I would not be surprised if of those 530 applicants, many were unqualified :/ |
| 10:51.39 | MohammadAG | oh and no libflash* either, just checked |
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| 10:52.26 | SpeedEvil | flailingmonkey: Well - tht's retty much a given. Even if it's only 30% or so - that boosts the chances for the not unqualified |
| 10:53.23 | flailingmonkey | SpeedEvil: I only have ideas, but haven't developed for mobile or qt before. I didn't bother applying because I didn't want to waste Quim's time :p |
| 10:54.11 | lcuk | lardman, symbian manages realtime facial recognition on the n8 |
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| 10:54.27 | lcuk | should really push for similar barcodey goodness |
| 10:54.32 | lardman | lcuk: As in face tracking, or recog? |
| 10:54.42 | SpeedEvil | lcuk: n9 has face recognition too |
| 10:54.49 | MohammadAG | the N900 can do face recognition |
| 10:54.51 | SpeedEvil | lcuk: n950 - who knows |
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| 10:54.58 | lardman | lcuk: absolutely, as soon as I see the camera app |
| 10:54.58 | lcuk | lardman, tracking |
| 10:55.01 | SpeedEvil | lcuk: I mean face tracking on camera |
| 10:55.10 | DocScrutinizer | face detection |
| 10:55.12 | lardman | lcuk: as SpeedEvil says, that's apparently in the N950 too |
| 10:55.16 | lcuk | yes SpeedEvil thanks for clarification |
| 10:55.17 | DocScrutinizer | moo javispedro |
| 10:55.38 | hiemanshu | I got face detection working on my N900 using opencv |
| 10:55.46 | lcuk | and lardman \o notice you re-found twitter |
| 10:55.48 | lardman | Will be interesting to see how that is arranged in the code of the camera app, and insert a similar component for barcodes |
| 10:55.49 | SpeedEvil | http://conversations.nokia.com/2011/06/27/damian-dinning-on-nokia-n9-imaging/ |
| 10:55.53 | lcuk | been a while since september 2009 :P |
| 10:55.53 | hiemanshu | front/back camera, both worked fine, except being a little slow |
| 10:55.56 | SpeedEvil | On the face recognition |
| 10:56.09 | lardman | lcuk: well I thought I'd start doing some joins, I feel rather info starved only being able to use the interweb at work |
| 10:56.11 | SpeedEvil | lardman: Indeed - integrating it into the focus algorithm |
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| 10:56.36 | SpeedEvil | Barcode should be an ideal focus target really |
| 10:56.51 | lardman | yep, can't get much better contrast target |
| 10:57.09 | lardman | which reminds me that contrast based autofocus on IR cameras is rubbish |
| 10:57.15 | SpeedEvil | continues to check eail obsessively. |
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| 10:58.01 | alterego | neat: http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N950 |
| 10:59.41 | javispedro | moo |
| 10:59.41 | DocScrutinizer | hiemanshu: that'S intriguing, you implemented face detection on N900? cool! |
| 11:00.04 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: using opencv yes |
| 11:00.34 | DocScrutinizer | I'd think some here would love to see yoiu joining their devel team :-) |
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| 11:01.45 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: I intially wrote it for RHoK and a desktop, but after compiling opencv for the phone it worked just fine |
| 11:01.53 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: I am working towards actual recognition now |
| 11:02.04 | DocScrutinizer | yay |
| 11:02.48 | lardman | hiemanshu: cool |
| 11:02.50 | DocScrutinizer | ambitious project, true face recog is kinda the holy grail of image processing :-) |
| 11:03.45 | SpeedEvil | Surely there's a facebook API for that. :) |
| 11:03.56 | DocScrutinizer | haha |
| 11:04.08 | hiemanshu | there is face.com :P |
| 11:04.13 | lardman | how well does their process work? |
| 11:04.19 | lardman | facebook that is |
| 11:04.30 | DocScrutinizer | too good |
| 11:04.36 | DocScrutinizer | ;-) |
| 11:04.37 | SpeedEvil | facebook is scary that way. |
| 11:04.43 | SpeedEvil | They have cues. |
| 11:04.59 | lardman | links between friends? |
| 11:05.13 | lardman | I've not looked at Facebook for a while, other than through MSN |
| 11:05.16 | SpeedEvil | So if your friends have uploaded your email into their contact lists - and it knows your friends are in the picture - it can make a good guess at you. |
| 11:05.18 | hiemanshu | lardman: it can only compare with people that share images, mostly your friends |
| 11:05.25 | lardman | yep |
| 11:05.27 | hiemanshu | (face.com) |
| 11:05.35 | lardman | ah ok |
| 11:05.50 | Hurrian | anyone unpacked the N9/50 root images? |
| 11:05.52 | SpeedEvil | Its problem isn't searching amongst millions of people, but hundreds, or even one, if the friends lists of two people are disparate and only contain you. |
| 11:06.35 | hiemanshu | and it relies on imaqes being tagged |
| 11:06.36 | DocScrutinizer | Hurrian: well, there are unpacked images on N950 :-) |
| 11:06.42 | hiemanshu | images* |
| 11:06.46 | SpeedEvil | hiemanshu: At the moment - officially |
| 11:07.54 | hiemanshu | with all the spamming going on facebook, I doubt people have acctual images of them tagged |
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| 11:12.38 | SpeedEvil | realises that with time, you can get position to within a degree or so, with observing the sun from the camera on the n9/n950 |
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| 11:13.29 | Hurrian | docscrutinizer, any chance of someone providing cp -a dumps of the root filesystem? |
| 11:14.34 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: you're a fox! |
| 11:15.09 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: that's actually so damn brilliant... incredible |
| 11:15.28 | SpeedEvil | I wonder if the camera module datasheet says 'do not point at sun' |
| 11:15.43 | DocScrutinizer | AAGPS : Astrologically Assisted GPS |
| 11:15.43 | SpeedEvil | =do not leave face down |
| 11:16.13 | DocScrutinizer | I think that'd be pretty bad as you can not do this |
| 11:18.10 | lardman | startracker could be cool |
| 11:18.23 | RST38h | heya lardman |
| 11:18.46 | lardman | hi RST38h |
| 11:18.49 | hiemanshu | lardman: something like kstars would be nice |
| 11:18.54 | SpeedEvil | lardman: That's probably really debatable from a sensitivity POV |
| 11:18.56 | lardman | bbiam, have to find an oscilloscope |
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| 11:25.55 | lardman | SpeedEvil: yeah I don't expect to actually be able to see (m)any stars for the tracker |
| 11:26.06 | lardman | hiemanshu: I think there is some sort of star map app isn't there? |
| 11:26.07 | SpeedEvil | lardman: You can |
| 11:26.13 | lardman | oh right |
| 11:26.18 | SpeedEvil | lardman: I can see stars in the n900 |
| 11:26.30 | SpeedEvil | lardman: But they're of equal magnitude to the noise - pretty much |
| 11:26.37 | hiemanshu | lardman: kstars |
| 11:26.47 | SpeedEvil | even for fairly bright stars. They 'look' different to noise |
| 11:26.49 | lardman | hiemanshu: I meant already ported |
| 11:27.04 | lardman | SpeedEvil: some image processing magic could be performed then :) |
| 11:27.07 | hiemanshu | lardman: havent found any, so not sure |
| 11:27.26 | SpeedEvil | lardman: yes - stacking could in principle work, combined with star movement |
| 11:27.45 | SpeedEvil | lardman: But it's going to be a 'singing pig' type effect. |
| 11:29.05 | RST38h | Wait, are you saying you are going to use N900's camera as a telescope? =) |
| 11:29.06 | lardman | I'll stick to AGPS I think :) |
| 11:29.06 | DocScrutinizer | hiemanshu: lardman : there's orerry |
| 11:29.31 | DocScrutinizer | and there's that other sky app I forgot the name |
| 11:29.33 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: orrery* |
| 11:29.49 | SpeedEvil | RST38h: In the same way you can do fine carpentry with a sledgehammer, yes. |
| 11:30.02 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: stellarium ? |
| 11:30.23 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 11:30.31 | SpeedEvil | Orrery on n9 could be quite awesome. |
| 11:30.38 | DocScrutinizer | indeed |
| 11:30.51 | hiemanshu | stellarium on N9 would be awesomer, much more features |
| 11:31.08 | alterego | esp. digital compass .. |
| 11:31.19 | SpeedEvil | Digital compass + accelerometer. |
| 11:31.26 | SpeedEvil | compass alone buys you nothing |
| 11:31.43 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: ? |
| 11:31.43 | lardman | On the Tab w/ compass, the star maps things are pretty laggy |
| 11:31.58 | lardman | may just be poor compass damping though |
| 11:32.04 | SpeedEvil | compass along leaves an ambiguity as to pointing along the magnetic field axis |
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| 11:32.12 | SpeedEvil | alone |
| 11:32.16 | RST38h | Speed: You mean, you bang yourself on the head with an N900 and see stars? =) |
| 11:32.29 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: still not getting your point |
| 11:32.47 | lardman | need to know orientation |
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| 11:32.50 | RST38h | lardman: Most likely the software having trouble scrolling the huge bitmap in Java |
| 11:32.58 | SpeedEvil | RST38h: you can see stars on the n900 - with fcam, at night. It's just all of the noise is of a comparable magnitude to even the brightest |
| 11:33.02 | lardman | RST38h: lol |
| 11:33.15 | RST38h | lardman: not fucking joking =( |
| 11:33.16 | DocScrutinizer | you're aware it's specified as THREE axis magnetometer |
| 11:33.31 | RST38h | has been doing Android development for the last couple of weeks. Pretty pitiful. |
| 11:33.44 | lardman | docscrutinizer: that allows you to know the magnetic heading with the device in any orientation |
| 11:33.45 | hiemanshu | RST38h: no we hit the N900 to the wall, and we the stars on it |
| 11:33.46 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: Sure - and that does not resolve the ambiguity - you can turn the phone around the magnetic field axis, and get no movement of the magnetometer. |
| 11:34.02 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: you need the accellerometer to resolve that ambiguity. |
| 11:34.04 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: it still doesn't give you the actual angle from the horizontal |
| 11:34.19 | lardman | docscrutinizer: or I guess you could rougly work out your latitude by comparing the direction of the field lines knowing the device orientation |
| 11:34.24 | SpeedEvil | (which does not work at the magnetic poles - but that's a seperate issue) |
| 11:34.32 | SpeedEvil | lardman: quite precisely |
| 11:34.39 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: umm yes. gotit |
| 11:34.40 | SpeedEvil | lardman: To within a degree or three. |
| 11:34.56 | lardman | SpeedEvil: well I think our definition of precision differs ;) |
| 11:35.01 | SpeedEvil | Oooh - that would in principle also be a useful thing to feed back to the GPS |
| 11:35.07 | lardman | agreed |
| 11:35.26 | SpeedEvil | Well - it's not completely useless - magellan would have killed for 3 degrees precision. |
| 11:35.34 | lardman | sure, I'm taking the mick :) |
| 11:36.03 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: so make AAGPS -> AMAGPS |
| 11:37.21 | SpeedEvil | In practice, it's going to be locked into the cellmodem again. |
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| 11:37.42 | lardman | we may still be able to talk to it via SUPL messages though |
| 11:37.43 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: could we co-projmanage AMAGPS? |
| 11:37.56 | SpeedEvil | Would be neat if it could be done. |
| 11:38.16 | SpeedEvil | In addition to pushing wifi information into the mix too |
| 11:38.25 | lardman | Would be another location method fo add to liblocation :) |
| 11:38.29 | lardman | yep |
| 11:38.39 | lardman | count me in anyway |
| 11:38.50 | DocScrutinizer | are you going to set up garage? or whatever the corresponding meego-harmattan way to kick off a project |
| 11:39.08 | yuizy | hi guys |
| 11:39.14 | yuizy | i have lately been getting _a lot_ of calls from telemarketers. is there a program that could play an audio file directly to the microphone, so that i could rickroll those annoying bastards? would it be easy to create one? (i have an n900) |
| 11:39.18 | SpeedEvil | I don't know how to setup a garage project. |
| 11:39.42 | alterego | yuizy: now that's a good idea for an app :D |
| 11:39.47 | yuizy | yes indeed |
| 11:39.49 | lardman | So just for code repo or do we also need a server to do some info processing> |
| 11:39.52 | DocScrutinizer | I don't even know if garage is any sensible way for meego projects |
| 11:40.05 | DocScrutinizer | aiui garage is in service mode |
| 11:40.08 | SpeedEvil | A simple 'project to add location hints for the GPS' or something would be interesting - there may be some more. |
| 11:40.09 | lardman | Might be worth making a wiki page here to talk about what to do |
| 11:40.13 | alterego | gitorious is the prefered meego project home |
| 11:40.18 | alterego | It's up to you though |
| 11:40.18 | SpeedEvil | lardman: For the magnetometer+accel - pretty much not. |
| 11:40.30 | lardman | DocScrutinizer: you can still get projects setup though, I created one a week or two ago |
| 11:40.31 | alterego | There was talk of a MeeGo garage at somepoint though. |
| 11:40.32 | DocScrutinizer | lardman: no server |
| 11:40.34 | SpeedEvil | lardman: The magnetic model is pretty much defined. |
| 11:40.37 | alterego | May still happen |
| 11:40.40 | lardman | fine |
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| 11:41.31 | DocScrutinizer | lardman: the appeal if the concept is it needs no supl or similar online |
| 11:41.57 | lardman | Absolutely, but we could still create a supl message to pass to the modem, if that's the form it expects it in |
| 11:42.02 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: that would mean storing GBs of data on the phone? |
| 11:42.11 | DocScrutinizer | lardman: indeed |
| 11:42.22 | DocScrutinizer | hiemanshu: why? |
| 11:42.29 | SpeedEvil | The magnetic model is several hundred bytes of spherical harmonics |
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| 11:42.49 | lardman | offline storage of cell ids would be useful though |
| 11:43.05 | DocScrutinizer | seems perfectly feasible without online or storing GBs of data |
| 11:43.18 | cloudyLights | min , do we all agree that the N900 gps is bad and the agps is good? |
| 11:43.28 | DocScrutinizer | lardman: go openbmap->download |
| 11:43.30 | cloudyLights | and is this fixed in the N950? |
| 11:44.02 | DocScrutinizer | cloudyLights: N950 GPS allegedly is exorbitant |
| 11:44.09 | SpeedEvil | It occurs to me also that with a phone with no shutter, it's going to get a view of the sun quite a lot. |
| 11:44.20 | Hurrian | SpeedEvil ++ |
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| 11:44.34 | Hurrian | wonder why they really, really dont add shutters anymore |
| 11:44.35 | SpeedEvil | I've raised a question on camera-safety for the n9 |
| 11:44.37 | cloudyLights | lardman: are you coding cellular location now? |
| 11:44.40 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: indeed, that's what I meant with "bad, as you can't do that" |
| 11:44.56 | cloudyLights | but no sd slot.... |
| 11:44.59 | SpeedEvil | The designer of the n9 camera is responding to a thread |
| 11:45.01 | lardman | cloudyLights: talking about it, I'm at work doing day job stuff atm |
| 11:45.26 | cloudyLights | last night I looked at netmon |
| 11:45.37 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: link? |
| 11:45.38 | cloudyLights | I didnt see anywhere smscb |
| 11:45.53 | DocScrutinizer | cloudyLights: takes some more hours |
| 11:45.59 | cloudyLights | It just uses dbus to get signals |
| 11:46.02 | SpeedEvil | http://conversations.nokia.com/2011/06/27/damian-dinning-on-nokia-n9-imaging/ DocScrutinizer |
| 11:46.23 | DocScrutinizer | thanks SpeedEvil |
| 11:46.31 | cloudyLights | back to trying to install heart beat on centos |
| 11:48.15 | lardman | DocScrutinizer: just looking for a db dump to see how large it is, but I only see the api |
| 11:48.25 | DocScrutinizer | this conversations.nokia.com page is a PITA, freezes for a minute on 97% loading |
| 11:48.53 | SpeedEvil | Hurrian: buttons/moving things are nasty! |
| 11:48.57 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
| 11:48.58 | DocScrutinizer | lardman: I haven't looked into openbmap too deeply |
| 11:49.03 | lardman | I tell a lie, found it |
| 11:49.12 | lardman | http://www.openbmap.org/latest/cellular/raw/ |
| 11:49.20 | DocScrutinizer | I think there *is* some way to get to know about the db size etc |
| 11:49.30 | DocScrutinizer | yeah |
| 11:49.36 | DocScrutinizer | that'S what I recalled |
| 11:49.42 | lardman | ~30Mb zip file |
| 11:50.11 | lardman | wifi is ~21Mb zip file |
| 11:50.15 | SpeedEvil | lardman: It really needs some opt-in tracking goodness from lots of poeople though |
| 11:50.19 | lardman | not too bad anyway |
| 11:50.41 | lardman | SpeedEvil: yep, but if we manage to get it working in e.g. liblocation we could provide some data back at least |
| 11:50.45 | cloudyLights | maybe I can have a ride and add more data |
| 11:51.06 | DocScrutinizer | friggin useless for serious conversations, this page - ohmy it's a blog. SpeedEvil any matchstring for "find"? |
| 11:51.20 | SpeedEvil | for what? |
| 11:51.33 | DocScrutinizer | for that convo.nokia.com page |
| 11:51.36 | SpeedEvil | damian is the camera guy |
| 11:51.37 | DocScrutinizer | you linked above |
| 11:51.48 | lardman | cloudyLights: there are only a couple of available clients atm and one needs to contact them if you want to create and use a custom client to upload, so no rush |
| 11:51.51 | DocScrutinizer | yes, gathered as much |
| 11:52.03 | SpeedEvil | What do you mean match? |
| 11:52.13 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: you said you are in a conversation with him |
| 11:52.46 | DocScrutinizer | you said he answered |
| 11:52.53 | DocScrutinizer | AIUI |
| 11:53.08 | SpeedEvil | I meant he's answering questions |
| 11:53.13 | DocScrutinizer | oooh |
| 11:53.29 | alterego | The anticipation is killing me! |
| 11:53.49 | DocScrutinizer | [2011-06-29 13:44:35] <SpeedEvil> I've raised a question on camera-safety for the n9 |
| 11:54.00 | SpeedEvil | search on 'sun' - but don't mention the name here. :) |
| 11:54.04 | hiemanshu | http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=24006&postcount=126 |
| 11:54.20 | cloudyLights | lardman; btw, wazes may also feed this database |
| 11:54.59 | lardman | implementing Wazes would also be cool and if it could then upload data that would be great |
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| 11:57.12 | cloudyLights | this chap is writing a QT wazes client usng the web API |
| 11:57.21 | lardman | yep I've seen that |
| 11:57.27 | cloudyLights | would be better had he used the C code |
| 11:57.41 | lardman | not sure there is any open source code though is there? |
| 11:57.44 | cloudyLights | surely he would get a N950 |
| 11:58.27 | SpeedEvil | cloudyLights: If applied |
| 11:58.34 | cloudyLights | symbian handhelds sold more when waze was avail for it |
| 11:59.21 | cloudyLights | curretly there are two navagation programs here for any handheld |
| 11:59.41 | cloudyLights | iGo and waze. waze is free... and more reliable |
| 12:00.26 | cloudyLights | the waze developpers get paid by the cellular companies for the bandwidth |
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| 12:00.36 | cloudyLights | cause more ppl used 3G |
| 12:00.50 | cloudyLights | they even released a blackbery client |
| 12:01.12 | cloudyLights | tee time |
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| 12:03.58 | lardman | The only thing I want to see from Waze is mean speeds on routes |
| 12:04.14 | lardman | but not sure that's even available, as they suck in the data and then route you don't they? |
| 12:04.54 | RST38h | looks like it |
| 12:05.30 | lardman | would be better to create an open source server that people can then interrogate to get mean speeds along roads |
| 12:05.32 | lardman | imo |
| 12:05.35 | SpeedEvil | openstreetma |
| 12:05.35 | lardman | would be quite interesting too |
| 12:05.37 | SpeedEvil | p |
| 12:05.46 | lardman | do they provide such a service? |
| 12:05.48 | SpeedEvil | maxspeed tags on roads |
| 12:05.53 | SpeedEvil | However - not live. |
| 12:06.02 | SpeedEvil | And that's legal maxspeed |
| 12:06.17 | lardman | that's useful, but I'm thinking of live speeds as well as predicting traffic flows from historcal data |
| 12:06.20 | SpeedEvil | Problem is to do it right, you need hundreds of thousands of users |
| 12:06.22 | mgedmin | osm also has public gps tracks with timestamps |
| 12:06.23 | SpeedEvil | At least |
| 12:06.31 | mgedmin | you could extract mean speeds from those, I suppose |
| 12:06.35 | lardman | SpeedEvil: indeed, but you have to start somewhere |
| 12:06.39 | lardman | mgedmin: good idea |
| 12:06.55 | SpeedEvil | Many OSM tracks do not have timing info |
| 12:06.58 | SpeedEvil | Intentionally |
| 12:07.08 | lardman | yeah, that's the worry of course ;) |
| 12:07.14 | lardman | when providing any data |
| 12:07.38 | lardman | but that could be rounded to the max speed |
| 12:08.01 | mgedmin | I recall being unable to upload .gpx files that lacked timestamps |
| 12:08.02 | lardman | as I wouldn't want to provide a free speed camera placement facility for anyone |
| 12:08.13 | mgedmin | (such as those produced by early versions of maemo-mapper) |
| 12:08.26 | mgedmin | but I don't know if osm's servers expose those timestamps in their public gps track data |
| 12:09.02 | RST38h | ah, hi, mgedmin |
| 12:10.07 | SpeedEvil | mgedmin: they stripped timestamps unless you say so |
| 12:10.22 | SpeedEvil | but required them, as ones without generally indicated broken GPS |
| 12:10.25 | SpeedEvil | GPX |
| 12:10.27 | mgedmin | hi, RST38h (and everyone) |
| 12:10.54 | SpeedEvil | Some programs simplified the trace _way_ too much, and also diddn't output time, so it was a heuristic. |
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| 12:17.17 | RST38h | ...The 7 documented attempts at opening SCP-988 via machine or other indirect mechanism have been stopped respectively by electrical shorts, mechanical jams, and in one case the mislabeling of a bottle of epoxy as lubricant... |
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| 12:18.12 | lardman | lol |
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| 12:18.28 | lardman | I wonder if they were asking themselves why it was a two part lubricant....? |
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| 12:19.45 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, obviously I'm cat1 |
| 12:20.31 | DocScrutinizer | though hostmode *should* qualify for cat3 |
| 12:21.16 | RST38h | lardman: might have been premixed epoxy! |
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| 12:26.53 | Jaffa | X-Fade: Should debian.tar.gz be included in the dsc file? |
| 12:27.40 | X-Fade | Jaffa: Good question. I don't remember, let me check :) |
| 12:29.49 | lardman | DocScrutinizer: cat1/3? |
| 12:30.45 | DocScrutinizer | quim's recent mail about DDP |
| 12:31.29 | lardman | what list is this, or a personal one? |
| 12:31.32 | lardman | I've not seen anything |
| 12:32.23 | X-Fade | Jaffa: Afaik it should be in the dsc. See this example: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/files?package=ruby-fakeweb&project=home%3Albt%3Arails |
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| 12:33.27 | Jaffa | X-Fade: What about versions? Is that something which should be included in the filenames (meaning multiple "osc add"s) or should it be <project>.tar.gz, debian.tar.gz and <project>.dsc which are overwritten and updated? |
| 12:34.23 | X-Fade | Jaffa: Also that example. Check what lbt did there. |
| 12:34.52 | Jaffa | Hmm, OK. |
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| 12:37.50 | DocScrutinizer | lardman: see hiemanshu 's link above |
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| 12:39.30 | lardman | DocScrutinizer: thanks, found it in the end |
| 12:40.53 | Jaffa | X-Fade: So is there really any difference between <package>_<version>.debian.tar.gz and <package>_<version>.diff.gz (if the latter only contained the patch). Will OBS handle both? |
| 12:41.14 | javispedro | feels like he needs to audition for the Fringe show after reading quim's ddp f.m.c post |
| 12:41.29 | DocScrutinizer | lardman: yeah, updated my application a bit, as it's probably a hard job to evaluate 500+ applications, s maybe the first sentence should be a eyecatcher |
| 12:42.39 | frals | javispedro: link? |
| 12:42.51 | MohammadAG | any emails sent out? |
| 12:43.05 | javispedro | frals, http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=24006&postcount=126 |
| 12:43.12 | frals | javispedro: ty |
| 12:43.21 | javispedro | it was quoted a few lines above also |
| 12:44.26 | RST38h | javispedro: what post? |
| 12:45.01 | RST38h | javispedro: there is another post saying that you need to be an insane physics professor from alternative dimenion in order to get an N950? |
| 12:45.41 | javispedro | RST38h, no, I just find the use of the word fringe ... interesting. |
| 12:46.06 | RST38h | Ah |
| 12:46.11 | lardman | is currently looking at fringe lines in interferometric data |
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| 12:48.04 | SpeedEvil | is currently cutting his fringe. |
| 12:48.14 | MohammadAG | wonders what he is on a scale of 0-3 |
| 12:48.16 | DocScrutinizer | ~dict fringe |
| 12:48.29 | javispedro | see, candidates in the fringe. |
| 12:48.59 | lardman | hmm, how does that definition work |
| 12:49.08 | lardman | doens't even contain the word fringe in the quote |
| 12:49.10 | RST38h | ~dict dict |
| 12:49.18 | javispedro | ~dict infobot |
| 12:49.21 | RST38h | ~dict duct |
| 12:50.01 | SpeedEvil | ~dict duck |
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| 12:50.47 | Khertan | tic ... tac ... tic ... tac |
| 12:50.59 | lardman | what is the zip code stuff doing in there? |
| 12:51.21 | lardman | those definitions are pretty crap |
| 12:51.27 | RST38h | ~dict cthulhu |
| 12:51.28 | DocScrutinizer | lardman: somebody found it funny to add all US zipcodes as factoids |
| 12:51.34 | RST38h | Gooood |
| 12:51.43 | lardman | DocScrutinizer: oh, I see, sort of |
| 12:51.44 | RST38h | ~dict 21075 |
| 12:51.51 | Khertan | ~dict 60890 |
| 12:51.58 | Khertan | hihi ... |
| 12:52.09 | lardman | ~dict 25063 |
| 12:52.09 | RST38h | OMFG, this looks like a TIGER database |
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| 12:52.20 | javispedro | either way, the way he talks seems like he found most of the applications crap |
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| 12:52.33 | lardman | javispedro: who's that? |
| 12:52.34 | javispedro | so chances do not bode well. |
| 12:52.44 | javispedro | lardman, read the entire f.m.c thread |
| 12:52.47 | Khertan | javispedro, ... who qgil ? |
| 12:52.49 | javispedro | or the last two pages |
| 12:52.51 | RST38h | javispedro: URL? |
| 12:53.18 | Khertan | javispedro, application could not be exiting ... limited by qml :) |
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| 12:53.29 | javispedro | RST38h, http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=3597&page=11 and following pages |
| 12:53.32 | lardman | javispedro: ah I see what you mean, I thought you meant applications on the device, not for the device |
| 12:53.50 | javispedro | ah, I see the confusion. |
| 12:53.53 | edheldil | ~dict 90210 |
| 12:53.54 | javispedro | yes, talking about "essays" |
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| 12:54.03 | edheldil | ahhh ... :) |
| 12:54.40 | flux | the bot is missing the coordinates for a polygon that covers the area. |
| 12:54.43 | DocScrutinizer | btw scratch my comments about zip factoids, though correct it doesn't apply for ~dict as ~dict is using a web interface or sth to find miriam webster(?) entries about a searchword |
| 12:54.48 | MrOpposite | If I want to develop things to the n900, is that easy to do? (as in is there usable documentation?) |
| 12:55.14 | DocScrutinizer | flux: the bot is missing nuttin, that's the dictionary referenced by ~dict |
| 12:56.04 | DocScrutinizer | and please stop spamming the chan with unrelated infobot queries |
| 12:56.07 | DocScrutinizer | ~query |
| 12:56.08 | infobot | talk dirty to me! Preferably, do so after you have typed "/query infobot" which should open a new window/tab/whatever with most irc clients. You can talk to me all you like and don't annoy other people with endless queries. Be aware that the stuff you write is logged, so don't get too 1337 :) |
| 12:56.39 | RST38h | javispedro: oh well |
| 12:57.26 | javispedro | though one thing is clear: the 250 headcount is arbitrary and probably prone to modification. who knows if it is less =) |
| 12:57.43 | SpeedEvil | javispedro: Why is it clear? |
| 12:57.54 | SpeedEvil | javispedro: I thought it represented a number of devices allocated. |
| 12:57.56 | javispedro | "... depend on the amout of devices available" |
| 12:58.10 | lardman | javispedro: well some of the things he mentioned as not being good: "saying you will develop unnamed and specified apps", "wanting to do a review", etc. seem pretty self evident I'd have thought |
| 12:58.32 | RST38h | javispedro: I prefer not to think too much into this (including the fact that half of my suggested projects are proprietary) |
| 12:58.51 | Khertan | wait and see |
| 12:58.56 | javispedro | RST38h, probably the best. |
| 12:58.59 | RST38h | Exactly |
| 12:59.15 | DocScrutinizer | wtf is a proprietary project here? |
| 12:59.18 | RST38h | In the very worst case, I will simply by an Android device and forget about the whole thing |
| 12:59.30 | RST38h | Doc: Source code not open |
| 12:59.35 | SpeedEvil | Yeah - going through every line of text for nuances that may result from the spacebar sticking is silly. |
| 12:59.43 | DocScrutinizer | why would you want to do that? |
| 12:59.51 | javispedro | SpeedEvil, wrong channel again? =) |
| 13:00.03 | SpeedEvil | javispedro: ? |
| 13:00.10 | crashanddie | DocScrutinizer, most companies haven't embraced Open Source yet.. |
| 13:00.18 | SpeedEvil | javispedro: Don't think so. |
| 13:00.29 | javispedro | ah ok |
| 13:00.35 | javispedro | brb |
| 13:00.42 | SpeedEvil | I think the idea is that closed projects should be applied for through the commercial side. |
| 13:01.06 | crashanddie | Wait, what? |
| 13:01.07 | DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: I'm aware of that, but why would RST38h apply for a meego develdev if he had or worked for a company that is going to develop *commercial* (aka proprietary) stuff? |
| 13:01.10 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: none so far |
| 13:01.10 | RST38h | Doc: Lots of very practical reasons |
| 13:01.26 | RST38h | Doc: First, none of this stuff is commercial (giving it away for free) |
| 13:01.42 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: I wrote a small but to the point application. I wonder if I am even in cat 0 :/ |
| 13:01.43 | RST38h | Doc: Secondly, half of it actually comes with an open source |
| 13:01.55 | RST38h | Doc: Thirdly, representing myself not some company |
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| 13:03.20 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, I can see the rationale about ruling out closed-source stuff. closed-source -> proprietary commercial -> go for launchpad DDP |
| 13:03.42 | jonwil | is going to clone the date-time control panel |
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| 13:04.53 | DocScrutinizer | jonwil: \o/ please also clone the unbearable time/date selector that looks and works like a slot machine - mere random to hit the right setting :-P |
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| 13:08.10 | jonwil | Do you mean the city selector? |
| 13:10.13 | Jaffa | jonwil: If you could make it with time selection like Harmattan, that might be quite cool |
| 13:11.36 | jonwil | well my plan is to create a 1:1 clone of libcpdatetime.so and possibly also libhildon-time-zone-chooser0.so |
| 13:11.42 | jonwil | then from there we can expand |
| 13:11.46 | jonwil | and make it better |
| 13:12.07 | Jaffa | :) |
| 13:12.25 | Jaffa | X-Fade: BTW, did you have an answer as to whether I should be using home:Jaffa or home:jaffa, which are different & separater? |
| 13:12.29 | Jaffa | s/ter/te/ |
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| 13:17.22 | crashanddie | holy crap |
| 13:17.46 | crashanddie | I just received a commit |
| 13:17.46 | vi__ | where? |
| 13:17.52 | crashanddie | 1 character |
| 13:18.02 | vi__ | ? |
| 13:18.16 | crashanddie | The guy has been working a full month on massively crazy bug |
| 13:18.26 | crashanddie | the bugfix? 1 character. |
| 13:18.30 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 13:18.34 | vi__ | ? |
| 13:18.41 | vi__ | what was the character? |
| 13:18.46 | vi__ | ; |
| 13:20.00 | alterego | crashanddie: I had a similar bug I fixed a while ago :D |
| 13:20.05 | alterego | 1 character |
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| 13:20.11 | alterego | Was it a j instead of an i? |
| 13:20.35 | crashanddie | <send target="explorer.id" targettype="'xexplorer'" data="'com.consistent.ccenter.instance.phone_state'" namelist="instance_id state"/> |
| 13:20.40 | crashanddie | <send target="explorer.id" targettype="'x-explorer'" data="'com.consistent.ccenter.instance.phone_state'" namelist="instance_id state"/> |
| 13:21.18 | alterego | Hah |
| 13:21.27 | alterego | A - symbol aye .. |
| 13:21.54 | jonwil | anyone know of an example of how to write a hildon control panel? |
| 13:22.05 | RST38h | I have got some code for it, a moment |
| 13:22.24 | RST38h | No, just desktop applet, sorry :( |
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| 13:23.04 | jonwil | cssu has some control panels |
| 13:23.05 | jonwil | those should help |
| 13:23.54 | lardman | nice, we can finally access the map data from code |
| 13:24.03 | alterego | lardman: ? |
| 13:24.11 | lardman | http://library.developer.nokia.com/index.jsp?topic=/MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_API/html/qtmobility/location-overview.html |
| 13:24.58 | lardman | am just browsing that page trying to work out whether the Qt location stuff works in a similar way to liblocation |
| 13:25.14 | lardman | at least it should be easy enough to add new data providers for the field line stuff |
| 13:25.17 | lardman | etc |
| 13:26.17 | alterego | Ah, right |
| 13:26.30 | alterego | Yeah, I'm familiar with the mobility APIs |
| 13:26.33 | lardman | not many positioning methods in that enum though: http://library.developer.nokia.com/index.jsp?topic=/MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_API/html/qtmobility/qgeopositioninfosource.html |
| 13:26.44 | alterego | Got the developer.nokia.com site is getting more and more like msdn every time I look at it .. |
| 13:26.58 | alterego | Just replace the "NOKIA" logo in the top left with "Microsoft" .. |
| 13:27.09 | lardman | I've not yet spotted whether you can set a range as well as a time for updates to be sent to your app |
| 13:27.19 | lardman | alterego: yeah |
| 13:28.02 | DocScrutinizer | jonwil: (city selector?) I meant the ugly nonsensical kinetic scrolling rulers you get when you for instance define the start time of a new event in calendar |
| 13:28.23 | alterego | Oh, those "touch friendly lists" .. |
| 13:29.56 | jonwil | well once I clone the applet, someone can make it better :) |
| 13:30.07 | lardman | hmm that is somewhat worrisome, I can't see how to choose which of the not-gps methods will be used (fine for the future, we add more items to the enum) with the current implementation (e.g. country code from modem, cell tower id should be options) |
| 13:30.11 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, the maximum pita I could imagine for such a thing |
| 13:30.54 | SpeedEvil | http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=23820&postcount=20 - qgil |
| 13:30.56 | DocScrutinizer | lardman: hu? |
| 13:31.10 | SpeedEvil | 'As for today, N950 and N9 have exactly the same security policy, and in fact are both wide open.' |
| 13:31.14 | Khertan | https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17034 <<<< grrr |
| 13:31.14 | lardman | DocScrutinizer: see link above to the Qt Mobility location stuff |
| 13:31.15 | povbot | 04Bug 17034: was not found. |
| 13:31.21 | Khertan | oups ... wrong windows |
| 13:31.31 | DocScrutinizer | aaah QtM - meh |
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| 13:32.06 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: LOL? |
| 13:32.59 | alterego | Is there a list of pre-installed apps for Harmattan? |
| 13:33.00 | lardman | does anyone have a link to the Harmattan image package list url handy? |
| 13:33.08 | lardman | lol |
| 13:33.28 | Khertan | lardman, on harmattan-dev.nokia.com |
| 13:33.28 | lardman | is looking for more the location library backend |
| 13:33.33 | lardman | thanks Khertan |
| 13:33.39 | Khertan | there is a link in the bottom to explain diff with fremantle |
| 13:33.45 | Khertan | and so the list of package |
| 13:34.11 | lardman | just what I was after, thanks |
| 13:36.14 | lardman | so liblocationextras or libqtm-location it must be then |
| 13:36.53 | alterego | Hah, http://maemo.nokia.com/ |
| 13:36.55 | X-Fade | wonders why he can't chroot into his nice Harmattan root. |
| 13:37.37 | lardman | hmm, looks like liblocationextras supplies wrapper over DBUS call to get country code, but I don't see anything about cell id |
| 13:37.51 | alterego | X-Fade: how long until Harmattan obs is up-and-running? :) |
| 13:38.02 | X-Fade | alterego: Well, that is one of the issues :) |
| 13:38.04 | Jaffa | X-Fade: Missing shell? |
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| 13:38.29 | X-Fade | Jaffa: It complains about missing /bin/bash, but obviously it is there. |
| 13:38.36 | alterego | X-Fade: is there anything currently available for us? I can help out if needs be. |
| 13:38.45 | Jaffa | X-Fade: Try "chroot dir /bin/sh"? |
| 13:38.49 | lardman | ah ok libcellular-qt supplies callback for cell changes, good, at least that is built in |
| 13:38.54 | Jaffa | X-Fade: Architecture difference and/or perms? |
| 13:39.29 | Jaffa | tries to work out what the status of his package is on COBS after adding some build plans. Where do logs/statuses/queues appear? |
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| 13:40.00 | X-Fade | Jaffa: Yeah, it is an armel root. |
| 13:40.13 | X-Fade | Jaffa: But binfmt should just pick that up. |
| 13:41.28 | alterego | Urgh, really need to clean up laptop. |
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| 13:41.39 | alterego | 20M left :/ |
| 13:42.20 | SpeedEvil | passes alterego a vacuum cleaner. |
| 13:42.46 | alterego | I think the rest of this afternoon will be spent cleaning up my laptop and preparing it for a reinstallation. |
| 13:42.59 | alterego | Though I need to check to see if Ubuntu 11.04 supports 3G tethering yet .. |
| 13:43.19 | SpeedEvil | just wrote /etc/ppp/peers/whatever |
| 13:43.27 | rm_work | alterego: it does |
| 13:43.35 | SpeedEvil | sometimes is hesitant to learn new things. |
| 13:43.42 | rm_work | alterego: at least over USB, it was a no-brainer |
| 13:43.42 | Jaffa | X-Fade: binfmt not hardfp aware or something? |
| 13:43.50 | alterego | rm_work: Specifically 11.04? |
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| 13:44.02 | rm_work | alterego: definitely did it on 11.04, also did it on 10.10 |
| 13:44.04 | alterego | rm_work: because it didn't work, works fine for me on 10.10, but not under 11.04 |
| 13:44.07 | rm_work | and the one before that |
| 13:44.21 | alterego | Right, I'm talking specifically about 11.04, which is stopping me from updating .. |
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| 13:47.22 | jonwil | Is there a list of various text strings somewhere? i.e. how can I tell just what the string dati_fi_24_clock matches? |
| 13:49.11 | Jaffa | X-Fade: Thoughts, when you have a chance, on the https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=i586&package=attitude&project=home%3Ajaffa&repository=Debian_6.0 failure. It doesn't look like the kind of failure I'd expect. |
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| 13:51.12 | X-Fade | Jaffa: Hmm so it doesn't like the debian tarball in the dsc. |
| 13:51.20 | peetah | hi all |
| 13:51.37 | peetah | trying to compile mame 0.143 for N900 |
| 13:51.46 | peetah | and I have this error: |
| 13:51.49 | peetah | {standard input}:16125: Error: unknown pseudo-op: `.perso' |
| 13:52.00 | peetah | does it ring a bell to anyone ? |
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| 13:52.57 | peetah | 0.142 was compiling fine, but it started to generate this kind of error since 0.142u5 |
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| 13:55.54 | peetah | from what I have found, this type of errors seems to be a compiler bug |
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| 13:56.53 | peetah | is there a documented way to update the compiler included in scratchbox with a more recent version that may have this issue fixed? |
| 13:57.35 | lardman | change optimisation flags? |
| 13:58.20 | peetah | lardman: that's the first thing I tried, removing all the useless flags, but it did not change anything |
| 13:58.30 | lardman | hmm |
| 13:58.44 | lardman | I can't find .perso on Google, any idea what it does? |
| 13:59.07 | peetah | nope: I also did my homework before asking ;) |
| 13:59.41 | lardman | :) |
| 13:59.52 | lardman | I'm afraid I don't know off hand how to change the GCC version |
| 14:00.18 | lardman | one last option is to see if you can disable some part of the compilation, I don't know where the error occurs, building which files, etc |
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| 14:01.13 | peetah | a file called inptport.c, which seems related to input obviously |
| 14:01.31 | lardman | it doesn't have asm in it does it? |
| 14:01.35 | peetah | therefore hard to remove from the compilation process |
| 14:01.38 | lardman | sure |
| 14:01.56 | peetah | no, every ASM is disabled by an internal flag |
| 14:02.22 | peetah | at least, it should be disabled |
| 14:03.18 | Jaffa | X-Fade: Ah, lbt's dsc has Format: 3.0 at the top |
| 14:03.50 | lardman | peetah: sorry no more ideas here then |
| 14:03.52 | X-Fade | Jaffa: Ahm yeah. duh :) |
| 14:04.03 | peetah | I have the diff between the compilable version and the non-compilable one, but I'm afraid I do not have the required skills to hunt the guilty changes |
| 14:04.03 | lardman | peetah: perhaps try the -devel list for wider exposure? |
| 14:04.09 | alterego | boggles why something like "inptport" would be abbreviated for the sake of one letter. |
| 14:04.18 | peetah | ok thanks lardman |
| 14:04.35 | lardman | peetah: you really want to save the intermediate file and see what generates that pseudo instruction |
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| 14:05.02 | peetah | aloisiojr: because mame devs are a bit obsessed by the 8-letter limits for file names |
| 14:05.24 | lardman | you never know when someone might want to edit your files under DOS ;) |
| 14:05.30 | peetah | alterego: because mame devs are a bit obsessed by the 8-letter limits for file names |
| 14:05.41 | alterego | Heh |
| 14:05.43 | peetah | aloisiojr: sorry, wrong completion |
| 14:05.55 | aloisiojr | peetah: np |
| 14:06.01 | Jaffa | X-Fade: So that's the difference between debian.tar.gz and diff.gz. |
| 14:06.05 | X-Fade | Jaffa: http://wiki.debian.org/Projects/DebSrc3.0 |
| 14:06.18 | alterego | Makes sense :) |
| 14:06.39 | Jaffa | X-Fade: I'm getting the feeling that a package will have to be duplicated to target Fremantle and Harmattan. But, weirdly, it seems build targets are cross-project? |
| 14:06.57 | Jaffa | X-Fade: Unsurprisingly, not easy to find from the Debian file format documentation :-( |
| 14:07.35 | X-Fade | Jaffa: You can have targets spanning all your projects. But you can also disable/enable them per package (repository tab) |
| 14:07.43 | Jaffa | X-Fade: Ah, cool |
| 14:08.45 | Jaffa | X-Fade: Yay, it worked better :-) |
| 14:08.56 | X-Fade | Jaffa: *boom* crash? |
| 14:09.15 | divan | Is it possible to create own Network connections in Maemo? I mean, the connections which are shown in Network Connections list. I.e. I manually create route via usb0 and want to use this connection, but network management API do not understand it and asks for some network connection to be active. |
| 14:09.36 | lardman | yes, though how it's done I don't know |
| 14:09.39 | Jaffa | X-Fade: Yeah, but that's cos mud2 (need a new backronym) hasn't done the debian/rules patching yet |
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| 14:09.58 | lardman | there was a pseudo connection used for the Bluetooth network stuff iirc |
| 14:10.23 | lardman | imght be on the wiki under that bt pan, etc |
| 14:10.24 | divan | lardman, don't you remember the package name? |
| 14:10.30 | divan | lardman, thanks |
| 14:10.41 | lardman | not a package, you probably need to create a conf file or do some DBus trickery |
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| 14:18.27 | dbk | everybody |
| 14:18.38 | SpeedEvil | I wonder if aegis was designed and specified well before the realisation that meego was not going forward at nokia. |
| 14:18.50 | SpeedEvil | Hence its implementation 'properly' on the n9 isn't now a priority. |
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| 14:19.03 | SpeedEvil | Which could of course be a good thing. |
| 14:19.08 | SpeedEvil | s/could/is/ |
| 14:20.02 | jonwil | what is aegis anyway? |
| 14:20.18 | SpeedEvil | It's a 'trusted platform' type thing. |
| 14:20.31 | jonwil | oh ok |
| 14:20.38 | DocScrutinizer | it *is* trusted platform |
| 14:20.50 | SpeedEvil | In principle it could lock the n9 down quite badly. |
| 14:20.56 | DocScrutinizer | incl all the gory bits |
| 14:21.32 | SpeedEvil | How it's actually configured is an interesting question - quim has said that at the moment 950/9 is 'wide open' |
| 14:21.37 | flux | at least it's is capability-based, instead of simple all-or-nothing based on signature |
| 14:21.43 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, you can do whatever you want, on your device, "but not while running our SW" |
| 14:21.52 | Jaffa | SpeedEvil: That was specifically referring to the privileges granted apps |
| 14:22.20 | SpeedEvil | Jaffa: Apps from the community repositories I thought. |
| 14:22.52 | SpeedEvil | I suppose - true - it might imply you can't compile stuff on device which would be an annoyance, as well as significant ohter restrictions. |
| 14:24.11 | dbk | sip has recently stopped working on my n900. i have googled for similar problems, and found a problem with /usr/share/osso-rtcom/sip.profile, which i have corrected, but sip connections continue to fail. is this the right channel to solicit help with this problem? |
| 14:24.56 | DocScrutinizer | recalls his question about "signed bootloader concept" back when in that #meego-conference, and the answer which was along the line "that's not covered by meego, every manufacturer is free to do what ever he likes" :-S |
| 14:25.21 | Jaffa | SpeedEvil: Apps installed by the system (once "allow untrusted sources is ticked") if we're getting *really* accurate ;-) |
| 14:25.27 | SpeedEvil | Jaffa: yes. |
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| 14:25.46 | Jaffa | SpeedEvil: MohammadAG had problems executing arbitrary executables scp'ed on to the RDA device because it wasn't installed through the package manager. |
| 14:25.47 | SpeedEvil | Even in PR1.0 you needed to enable extras |
| 14:26.37 | SpeedEvil | Jaffa: Depends what happens if you turn that off, which hasn't I don't think been answered. |
| 14:26.44 | DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: isn't that scary? :-( |
| 14:27.11 | SpeedEvil | Turning it off and on for a dev device is annoying, if you can develop stuff for users easily that will not need to turn it on/off. |
| 14:27.22 | Jaffa | SpeedEvil: Indeed |
| 14:27.23 | SpeedEvil | Or if turning it off does not break purchased content |
| 14:27.41 | SpeedEvil | But only annoying, not fatal. |
| 14:27.43 | Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: A little, but as long as one can still do everything if one really wants and it's just a basic malware protection... |
| 14:28.01 | dbk | is there a different channel i should join to get help with an n900 problem? |
| 14:28.04 | DocScrutinizer | obviously it's way more than that |
| 14:28.07 | SpeedEvil | dbk: here is good |
| 14:28.14 | Jaffa | Although that raises a question as to whether the N9 will be compatible with any existing DRM schemes. I can't imagine content producers going out of their way to produce Harmattan-specific video contents |
| 14:28.20 | SpeedEvil | dbk: It's just conversation about the future at teh moment - the n900 is the present. |
| 14:28.25 | SpeedEvil | For at least the next week. |
| 14:28.36 | dbk | well i want to fix my n900 now... |
| 14:28.37 | Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: We still don't know how it's working in practice; only how the framework works and what it *could* be used for |
| 14:28.46 | SpeedEvil | dbk: What's up with it? |
| 14:28.56 | SpeedEvil | dbk: And where are you? |
| 14:29.00 | dbk | sip has stopped working... |
| 14:29.03 | dbk | is in usa |
| 14:29.15 | SpeedEvil | Ah - not likely a hw issue then. |
| 14:29.35 | dbk | no it is definitely sw. sip had been working and now it does not. |
| 14:29.45 | DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: quote from manual: ""to disable these debugging tools, simply switch off developer mode in settings. Do NOT uninstall the tools" (OWTTE) |
| 14:30.05 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: manuals have been wrong and misleading in the past. |
| 14:30.07 | dbk | i googled and found some problems with my sip.profile which i corrected, but sip connections continue to fail |
| 14:30.10 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: who knows |
| 14:31.00 | DocScrutinizer | dbk: have you done a apt-get autoremove ? |
| 14:31.06 | DocScrutinizer | or dist-upgrade? |
| 14:31.19 | lardman | heads back home as parents are dropping in |
| 14:31.23 | lardman | catch you all tomorrow |
| 14:31.27 | dbk | i did some dist-upgrades but not an autoremove |
| 14:31.37 | DocScrutinizer | that's it |
| 14:31.47 | dbk | ok i will try |
| 14:31.58 | dbk | thanks. i'll let you know how it works out |
| 14:32.32 | DocScrutinizer | dbk: check http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools |
| 14:32.42 | DocScrutinizer | and the thread on tmo... |
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| 14:32.59 | DocScrutinizer | # autoremove kills rtcom-accounts-voip-support |
| 14:34.02 | dbk | well then autoremove does not sound like it will solve my problem. |
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| 14:34.15 | dbk | which thread on tmo are you referring to? |
| 14:35.49 | dbk | apt-get dist-upgrade fails due to unmet dependencies for sysvinit-utils and busybox |
| 14:37.18 | DocScrutinizer | dbk: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=70875&highlight=sip |
| 14:40.56 | khertan | do not dist-upgrade !!! |
| 14:41.45 | dbk | ok well i did an apt-get install --reinstall rtcom-accounts-voip-support. now rebooting device. (did not dist-upgrade, but have apt-get upgrade-ed before) |
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| 14:46.42 | dbk | ok well now when attempting a sip call i get "unable to establish connection." wifi is working... |
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| 14:51.11 | khertan | just got a mail from Nokia ... think was about n950 ... and ... no ... it s about contest for creating java apps for s40 ... |
| 14:51.23 | alterego | Hah |
| 14:51.52 | SpeedEvil | khertan: Got the same one, same reaction :) |
| 14:52.10 | dbk | it seems that the files *.novoip have been installed and sip.profile has been symlinked to a newly created subdirectory called voip-support |
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| 14:56.54 | dbk | DocScrutinizer: you still there? |
| 14:58.24 | alterego | I wonder if they're using mafw for media still |
| 14:58.31 | alterego | Or maybe it's grillo now |
| 14:58.46 | macmaN | khertan: lol |
| 14:58.55 | macmaN | im at meego meetup in kiasma helsinki right now |
| 14:59.04 | macmaN | all sorts n9 and n950 promotion going on |
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| 14:59.20 | macmaN | few scarce words about meege ce n900 |
| 14:59.28 | alterego | Heh |
| 14:59.37 | macmaN | and now pyside time! |
| 15:00.02 | dbk | would just like to fix sip on his n900 |
| 15:00.35 | dbk | one of the main reasons i got the n900 was for sip and now it has stopped working |
| 15:01.10 | macmaN | is there some tutorial for sip? it sounds like its something i want, but im not entirely sure how it works |
| 15:01.53 | dbk | macmaN: dunno about a tutorial. it's pretty easy to set up an account once you have registered for one. |
| 15:02.07 | khertan | macmaN, to be honest MeeGo CE on n900 isn't perfect ... but it s working ! |
| 15:02.19 | macmaN | khertan: yeah i watched the loooong youtube video |
| 15:02.26 | macmaN | for the summer release |
| 15:02.28 | dbk | but, unfortunately, for some reason sip (which had been working fine) has stopped working on my device |
| 15:02.50 | macmaN | email-following like 80 threads on tmo, i think im up to date with most of the stuffs going on |
| 15:03.18 | dbk | DocScrutinizer seemed to have some knowledge of the situation, but he seems to have disappeared in the last few minutes |
| 15:04.00 | Macer | argh! |
| 15:04.02 | DocScrutinizer | no, I never disappear, I just may have extended RTT |
| 15:04.08 | dbk | i've been considering reflashing the device as a last resort. |
| 15:04.15 | Macer | this damn g 2 |
| 15:04.59 | dbk | DocScrutinizer i reinstalled that pkg, rebooted, but device still says "unable to establish connection" when i attempt a sip call |
| 15:05.17 | Macer | argh!dxcf |
| 15:06.12 | DocScrutinizer | dbk: sorry, I shared all my knowledge about that particular fault reason on that tmo post. if your symptoms are different, then probably also the cause is |
| 15:06.39 | dbk | seems i will have to resort to a flash of the device :( |
| 15:07.34 | DocScrutinizer | dbk: sometimes that helps. I can't analyze anything about your particular problem anyway with a ""unable to establish connection" when i attempt a sip call"" |
| 15:07.44 | khertan | macmaN, i install it on an n900 prefer test it myself ... specially my apps :) |
| 15:07.46 | dbk | btw are you referring to the maemo.org thread? you did not share a link for tmo |
| 15:07.58 | DocScrutinizer | not enough input to make any reasonable decision |
| 15:08.18 | DocScrutinizer | uh? |
| 15:08.23 | dbk | i know what you mean. it does not give much info for debugging |
| 15:08.26 | macmaN | khertan: right, but i think the exact instructions to make uboot work with kp47 was just posted a few days ago |
| 15:08.36 | cloudyLights | khertan: in python hao can I tell if a var wasnt given a value |
| 15:08.40 | cloudyLights | ? |
| 15:08.43 | macmaN | i havent had the resource to figure that out myself before |
| 15:08.47 | DocScrutinizer | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=70875&highlight=sip |
| 15:09.11 | DocScrutinizer | dbk: ^^^^ |
| 15:09.11 | cloudyLights | I mean: if I didnt declare VAR1 ; set VAR1 to have the value 1 |
| 15:09.21 | alterego | Created columbus gitorious and obs projects :) |
| 15:09.30 | dbk | ok... i was confused. not familiar with the abbreviation for talk.mamo.org. thought you were referring to t-mobil |
| 15:09.48 | DocScrutinizer | dbk: check you sip account settings. make sure you're registering correctly |
| 15:10.01 | DocScrutinizer | dbk: (green dot) |
| 15:10.10 | dbk | DocScrutinizer: the settings are fine. they were working until recently. |
| 15:10.23 | hiemanshu | cloudyLights: if you havent set a value, it should be NULL |
| 15:11.10 | hiemanshu | alterego: w00t :D |
| 15:11.21 | dbk | where does the green dot show up? under which menu/config screen? |
| 15:11.28 | burchr | hiemanshu: me! |
| 15:11.31 | burchr | bah |
| 15:11.39 | hiemanshu | burchr: ? |
| 15:11.40 | dbk | under accounts they show as "enabled" |
| 15:11.57 | w00t__ | stupid alternate nicks ;) |
| 15:12.03 | hiemanshu | w00t__: ah ok :D |
| 15:14.05 | khertan | cloudyLights, you mean if a object didn't have a attribute ? |
| 15:14.28 | khertan | hasattr(yourobject,'attributename') |
| 15:14.59 | jonwil | ok, it looks like libcpdatetime.so shouldn't be that hard to clone. Making HildonDateButton and HildonTimeButton not suck on the other hand... |
| 15:16.08 | cloudyLights | khertan: nm was told at #python not to do that |
| 15:16.18 | cloudyLights | and set var1 to None |
| 15:17.42 | dbk | is there a good tutorial on flashing the n900? i especially want to make sure to not to miss any important data when i back it up. |
| 15:18.39 | khertan | cloudyLights, depends on use case |
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| 15:20.57 | jonwil | big thankyou to whoever wrote libhildon-extras1-time-zone-chooser-dev :) |
| 15:21.36 | jonwil | wonders what other undocumented maemo APIs have been reverse engineered by the community... |
| 15:21.43 | ThreeM | dbk, yes, search the wiki for maemo flasher |
| 15:22.07 | dbk | ThreeM to which wiki do you refer? |
| 15:22.15 | ThreeM | http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 15:22.18 | ThreeM | that wiki :) |
| 15:22.50 | dbk | k thanks! |
| 15:23.03 | dbk | hopefully that will fix my sip problem |
| 15:23.05 | ThreeM | np |
| 15:24.33 | hiemanshu | maemo != windows :P |
| 15:25.13 | ThreeM | hrhr |
| 15:25.36 | ThreeM | for non linux gurus maybe its the fastest way |
| 15:25.37 | ThreeM | :) |
| 15:26.54 | dbk | is has been using linux for a pretty long time |
| 15:26.55 | hiemanshu | ThreeM: I know, I was kidding :P |
| 15:27.37 | chem|st | dbk: the you know what you need to backup... |
| 15:27.46 | chem|st | s/the/then/ |
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| 15:28.31 | dbk | chem|sh well, i've been using linux for a long time, but new to maemo/n900 and it is not quite what i am used to from debian (but pretty close) |
| 15:28.56 | chem|st | dbk: pretty close is the right expr.! |
| 15:29.13 | dbk | but no cigar, as the expression goes... |
| 15:29.51 | chem|st | dbk: you need your $home and maybe some /etc if you modded, the rest is fitted by "backup" |
| 15:29.58 | dbk | i actually even met linus at linuxworld in s.j. in about 1999 |
| 15:30.57 | SpeedEvil | jonwil - GPS raw protocol |
| 15:31.16 | chem|st | dbk: neat, I know knopper (knoppix) in person and am part of the unix working group where the LinuxTag(R) was born in |
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| 15:31.46 | chem|st | pulls the zipper up again |
| 15:32.51 | dbk | so "backup" does not save $home? that is odd... |
| 15:33.08 | chem|st | dbk: apart of this nasty PA and some other stuff (which is all nasty on a desktop as well) it is pretty much etch |
| 15:33.41 | chem|st | dbk: not all of it, settings and stuff is saved but mods in tracker conf and stuff is not |
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| 15:34.45 | chem|st | dbk: so what you changed by hand in $home is not within "backup" and just in case backup misses on some things important to me I backup $home myself |
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| 15:35.12 | dbk | what about .mydocs etc |
| 15:35.23 | chem|st | MyDocs is a different partition |
| 15:35.42 | chem|st | if you flash only the root image MyDocs isnt touched |
| 15:36.19 | chem|st | flashing it vanilla you need to backup MyDocs as well |
| 15:37.01 | dbk | which do you suggest? i am trying to repair borked sip functionality? |
| 15:37.28 | chem|st | dbk: pls elaborate |
| 15:37.34 | DocScrutinizer | flash COMBINED aka rootfs |
| 15:37.47 | hiemanshu | you dont need to flash vanilla for that |
| 15:37.57 | DocScrutinizer | chem|st: his sip stopped working |
| 15:38.11 | DocScrutinizer | ~flashing |
| 15:38.12 | infobot | from memory, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 15:38.16 | DocScrutinizer | has it all |
| 15:38.25 | DocScrutinizer | just read the WHOLE page |
| 15:38.38 | DocScrutinizer | info bits are somewhat scattered |
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| 15:39.00 | DocScrutinizer | improvements welcome |
| 15:39.04 | chem|st | dbk: yeah just root img and you should be good |
| 15:39.46 | chem|st | dbk: BUT have you tried removing the battery at first? some hardware needs a "remove battery" reset to do good again |
| 15:40.07 | DocScrutinizer | nah, SIP is borked |
| 15:40.12 | bindi | hey |
| 15:40.25 | bindi | what was that CSSU tweak to enable some gpu acceleration for the menu scrolling or something like that |
| 15:40.29 | bindi | cant remember exactly but I cant find it anymore |
| 15:40.30 | DocScrutinizer | chem|st: he did a dist-upgrade |
| 15:40.53 | dbk | i did not do a dist-upgrade. i did an apt-get upgrade. |
| 15:41.05 | DocScrutinizer | aah, k |
| 15:41.37 | dbk | but at some point, something i installed must have messed up my sip settings or something like that. |
| 15:41.40 | ruskie | tries to recall how to make his own fiasco root image... |
| 15:41.40 | DocScrutinizer | whatever, flashing rootfs should fix it |
| 15:41.46 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: ouch |
| 15:41.53 | DocScrutinizer | if not, then your accounts are borked |
| 15:41.57 | dbk | ok i am doing a backup atm. |
| 15:41.58 | chem|st | dbk: NEVER EVER dist-upgrade... |
| 15:42.23 | DocScrutinizer | dbk: nevertheless I'd try with a new account |
| 15:42.26 | ruskie | unless you know what you are doing ;) |
| 15:42.31 | dbk | is it possible to backup to other than the memory card? mine is tiny and does not have enough room. |
| 15:42.31 | SpeedEvil | wonders if the camera uses the mag+accel to deshake. |
| 15:42.33 | chem|st | dbk: just for the records^^ |
| 15:42.54 | DocScrutinizer | backup to eMMC |
| 15:43.05 | DocScrutinizer | aka "phone" |
| 15:43.09 | dbk | DocScrutinizer: what do you mean "try with a new account" do you mean get a new sip account? |
| 15:43.25 | chem|st | dbk: not enough room? my backups are like 32MB and 80MB with sent-emails (which I easily moved to the imap folder and be good again) |
| 15:43.28 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, try to set up your acount from scratch |
| 15:43.41 | dbk | DocScrutinizer: backing up to the phone will be retained with a rootfs flash? |
| 15:43.46 | DocScrutinizer | dbk: SIP problems quite frequently are outside of device |
| 15:43.47 | chem|st | dbk: no |
| 15:44.06 | chem|st | dbk: MyDocs is not touched if you flash rootfs only |
| 15:44.08 | ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, it's likely: accel ? exposure_time/=4 |
| 15:44.42 | DocScrutinizer | dbk: yes, eMMC is untouched when you flash COMBINED image |
| 15:44.49 | dbk | chem|st: my card is less than a gig.. it came out of my garmin gps. |
| 15:44.50 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: I was more meaning that you can use the accel + magnetometer to work out orientation and accelleration of the phone. This can be used to correct shake |
| 15:44.55 | DocScrutinizer | MyDocs aka "phone" is on eMMC |
| 15:45.06 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: of video. |
| 15:45.12 | chem|st | dbk: delete your account "on the phone" and set it up with "new account" button |
| 15:45.17 | ShadowJK | oh.. |
| 15:45.23 | DocScrutinizer | dbk: you'll be amazed how small "backups" are |
| 15:45.32 | DocScrutinizer | usually way less than 100MB |
| 15:45.51 | chem|st | dbk: as I said 32-34MB with 300+ contacts |
| 15:45.52 | dbk | chem|st which account are you telling me to delete? sip account or maemo user account? |
| 15:46.04 | chem|st | sip account |
| 15:46.12 | dbk | DocScrutinizer: well i tried to backup to SD card and it did not fit. |
| 15:46.21 | DocScrutinizer | :-/ |
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| 15:46.27 | chem|st | just like you delete ICQ MSN Jabber or anything else |
| 15:46.31 | Macer | nokia stock is in the toilet |
| 15:46.31 | DocScrutinizer | darn that has to be a small SD card |
| 15:46.50 | DocScrutinizer | Macer: \o/ |
| 15:46.51 | chem|st | with the built-in stuff and not on the cmd-line |
| 15:46.53 | dbk | DocScrutinizer: yes it came out of my garmin gps. |
| 15:46.58 | DocScrutinizer | Macer: did trollop say a word? |
| 15:47.22 | Macer | if he did it would be "bankrupt" |
| 15:47.43 | DocScrutinizer | Macer: how much? |
| 15:47.49 | Macer | what did nokia open up at in the before time? like $2 or so? |
| 15:47.52 | dbk | chem |
| 15:47.52 | dbk | chem|st: what is the reasoning for deleting the sip account(s)? |
| 15:47.55 | chem|st | should buy nokia stock |
| 15:47.59 | Macer | right now they are hovering around 6 |
| 15:48.08 | DocScrutinizer | hehe |
| 15:48.14 | Macer | at their peak they were $56 |
| 15:48.17 | DocScrutinizer | $ or EUR? |
| 15:48.21 | Macer | US |
| 15:48.23 | chem|st | dbk: to set it up again "MAAAAAAN", have you tried to turn it off and on again?! |
| 15:48.25 | DocScrutinizer | ouch |
| 15:48.49 | chem|st | get 2 for a BTC |
| 15:48.55 | Macer | they were $15 in may of 2010 |
| 15:48.59 | chem|st | no 3 actually |
| 15:49.01 | Macer | and are now 6.39 |
| 15:49.06 | hiemanshu | and trollop wants to pay M$ instead of harnessing the power of the community |
| 15:49.08 | Macer | that is a freefall |
| 15:49.09 | macmaN | ' |
| 15:49.26 | dbk | i have rebooted the device several times. not sure why i would want to set up sip again. all accounts were previously working. no problem afaict with the sip settings. |
| 15:49.33 | chem|st | after being said dead it is no wonder is it? |
| 15:49.59 | DocScrutinizer | dbk: if you are not willing to set up the sip accounts again, then we probably can't help |
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| 15:51.12 | chem|st | dbk: listen mate, it does not matter if it was working before as it doesn't now, so save my time and the hell delete it or flash it, we are or I am trying to help you getting it to work without a reflash, if and only if you want to try it for your own sake |
| 15:51.13 | dbk | DocScrutinizer: i am not unwilling, but i have a number of accounts set up and i would like to understand *why* i should do something before making a big effort to setup all accounts again |
| 15:51.53 | DocScrutinizer | dbk: visit your SIP provider's website to check for recent changes in URLs etc, make sure you got your password and account name, the just delete the account on N900 and recreate from scratch. Then see if the green dor for correct registration show up next to battery icon upper left |
| 15:52.00 | dbk | its not that i don't want to do it, but i would like to know what it will accomplish before i do it. |
| 15:52.13 | Jaffa | X-Fade: Testing the first feature complete version of mud2 (MeeGo Unified Distribution ;-)) on Debian_6.0 target on COBS |
| 15:52.24 | DocScrutinizer | dbk: also you mustn't delete *all* accounts, just the one that doesn't work anymore |
| 15:52.42 | chem|st | dbk: it will fix borked settings "MAYBE" |
| 15:53.09 | DocScrutinizer | or - if you got several accounts with several providers and all of them stopped working all of a sudden - it's most probably an issue of your wifi accesspoint or sth |
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| 15:53.38 | chem|st | dbk: you may have a look in the "original" settings file or save it somewhere when it is working again, to compare which settings get borked |
| 15:53.44 | dbk | none of the sip accounts seem to be working. yes, the "green" dot is there. i still do not believe there is a problem with the sip settings. something, some package changed something. i had to edit sip.profile because TEL capability was removed. |
| 15:54.34 | chem|st | dbk: my icq account gets its port borked once in a while, the GUI shows an empty port but the actual settings file shows something like "-2893562137563" |
| 15:54.47 | dbk | DocScrutinizer not an issue with wifi. i can read email on the device... |
| 15:55.05 | DocScrutinizer | dbk: when the green dot is there, then probably the account settings are mostly ok |
| 15:55.23 | DocScrutinizer | dbk: email mean absolutely nothing for SIP |
| 15:55.34 | chem|st | ??? ok I do not get it... the accounts are logged in? |
| 15:55.34 | DocScrutinizer | SIP is UDP, not TCP |
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| 15:55.58 | dbk | DocScrutinizer: i was able to make sip calls from my laptop's sipclient |
| 15:56.05 | DocScrutinizer | dbk: also SIP needs inbound traffic while email is local-originated service |
| 15:56.18 | DocScrutinizer | dbk: now we'Re speaking |
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| 15:56.21 | dbk | as i say, sip works from the laptop |
| 15:56.21 | chem|st | but you can neither recieve calls nor make calls over SIP? |
| 15:56.46 | chem|st | dbk: uninteresting |
| 15:56.59 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, dbk please elaborate on what exactly fails and in which way |
| 15:57.11 | chem|st | dbk: is the SIP account logged in on the phone or not? |
| 15:57.12 | dbk | chem|st correct on the n900. sip seems to be working fine from the laptop, so i don't think it has much to do with the wifi connection. |
| 15:57.14 | DocScrutinizer | green dot is a start |
| 15:57.31 | chem|st | dbk: I was never talking about wifi did I |
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| 15:57.38 | DocScrutinizer | I did |
| 15:57.47 | dbk | chem|st afaict the sip accounts are all logged in. no, but Doc was talking about wifi |
| 15:57.54 | DocScrutinizer | chem|st: NAT issues |
| 15:58.26 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: it did work before so, no |
| 15:58.30 | DocScrutinizer | dbk: does the phone ring on inbound SIP calls? |
| 15:58.43 | dbk | DocScrutinizer: the same connection was working fine for sip. i tried at a different wifi hotspot which also previously worked and no longer does. |
| 15:58.59 | DocScrutinizer | chem|st: AP might got reconfigured, topic uPNP or whatever |
| 15:59.09 | dbk | DocScrutinizer dunno cause i haven't gotten any incoming calls |
| 15:59.22 | DocScrutinizer | then you should call yourself |
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| 15:59.50 | chem|st | dbk: if you open up your accounts on the phone has the SIP a green dot (as the other green dot might have a "!" in it and is still green) |
| 16:00.16 | chem|st | and what doc said |
| 16:00.23 | chem|st | got to go! |
| 16:00.24 | DocScrutinizer | we need to find out if it's signalling that's broken (->no inbound calls), or RTP (I guess that, and it results in calls aborting or no audio on calls) |
| 16:00.41 | chem|st | good luck! |
| 16:00.50 | DocScrutinizer | chem|st: o/ |
| 16:00.57 | dbk | when open the phone app and check accounts they all show "enabled" but i don't know where to look for the green dots |
| 16:00.59 | chem|st | o/ |
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| 16:02.12 | DocScrutinizer | dbk: there's a green dot to the right of each SIP account in that "availability" menu you get when you click on green dot next to battery, then on "availability" in the menu |
| 16:02.36 | dbk | ok the green dots are all lit up |
| 16:02.51 | dbk | for all four sip accounts |
| 16:03.03 | DocScrutinizer | that's good as it means the phone can talk to SIP registrar |
| 16:03.23 | alterego | starts pushing code to gitorious |
| 16:03.26 | DocScrutinizer | now initiate an inbound call, see what it does |
| 16:03.36 | alterego | The whole of librxsupport will be deprecated because of the move to QML |
| 16:03.42 | alterego | There's one useful class in there now :/ |
| 16:04.23 | dbk | inbound works! i guess the issue is outbound calling only... |
| 16:04.45 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, so I bet you'll figue what's wrong then |
| 16:05.20 | DocScrutinizer | try setting your WIFI power savings mode to "none" |
| 16:05.43 | dbk | DocScrutinizer: where is the wifi power saving setting? |
| 16:06.10 | DocScrutinizer | settings - internet connections - connections .... |
| 16:06.45 | DocScrutinizer | select your AP, "edit" ... |
| 16:07.17 | DocScrutinizer | at end select "advanced" |
| 16:07.27 | DocScrutinizer | tab "other" |
| 16:07.47 | DocScrutinizer | o/ |
| 16:07.57 | DocScrutinizer | cya later |
| 16:08.04 | DocScrutinizer | good luck |
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| 16:13.51 | alterego | Anyone got any reasons not to use the Apache License? |
| 16:14.50 | dbk | DocScrutinizer: thanks for the help. at least incoming is now working. bye for now |
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| 16:23.05 | DocScrutinizer | inbound calls are way more prone to fail than outbound |
| 16:24.02 | DocScrutinizer | so if inbound works, well it should be a solvable task to make outbound work as well |
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| 17:04.10 | alterego | So they got rid of all the SDL stuff in HArmattan |
| 17:04.47 | alterego | No MAFW |
| 17:04.58 | alterego | matd instead of pnatd |
| 17:05.26 | javispedro | mafw is there |
| 17:05.34 | alterego | Not according to this it isn't. |
| 17:05.39 | alterego | http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/unstable/beta/Fremantle_Update7_vs_Harmattan_Beta_content_comparison.html |
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| 17:06.19 | javispedro | alterego: it is there surely, afaik it's not free/public anymore |
| 17:06.30 | alterego | It got renamed to "grillo" |
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| 17:06.50 | javispedro | that's the open fork |
| 17:07.00 | alterego | rtcom is gone |
| 17:07.06 | javispedro | qmafw is the one in harmattan |
| 17:07.45 | alterego | No sudo? |
| 17:08.52 | _trine | it would be nice to have an app that when you took a picture it would automatically upload the photograph to your home computer over the net |
| 17:09.04 | alterego | _trine: nice for who? :P |
| 17:09.11 | _trine | for me |
| 17:09.21 | alterego | Write it then :) |
| 17:09.23 | _trine | and anyone else who would want it |
| 17:09.31 | javispedro | _trine: google facebook clone has that |
| 17:09.36 | javispedro | (for android obviously =) ) |
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| 17:11.37 | _trine | reminds himself that some guys on this channel are still at school |
| 17:13.29 | bindi | ugh |
| 17:13.32 | bindi | mobile hotspot doesnt work |
| 17:13.36 | bindi | it starts, computer finds ap |
| 17:13.38 | bindi | but doesnt get an ip |
| 17:14.26 | alterego | Ah yes, qmafw |
| 17:14.40 | alterego | media-im-status-updater should work then :) |
| 17:17.26 | alterego | Interesting: http://wiki.meego.com/MIPS |
| 17:17.34 | alterego | Someone seems interested in getting MIPS on there. |
| 17:24.32 | ruskie | alterego, most likely one of the MIPS manufacturers |
| 17:25.08 | alterego | It is the MIPS manufacturer ;) |
| 17:26.16 | ruskie | heh |
| 17:26.30 | GeneralAntilles | What iconography would you folks recognize as a light meter? |
| 17:26.40 | GeneralAntilles | Since nobody actually knows what a light meter looks like. |
| 17:27.13 | alterego | Hmmm |
| 17:27.25 | alterego | A picture of a bulb with a needle indicator? |
| 17:27.28 | ruskie | wikipedia knows what it looks like |
| 17:27.37 | GeneralAntilles | http://thousandsparrows.com/meego/images/proto_lightmeter.png |
| 17:27.41 | GeneralAntilles | Is what I put together. |
| 17:27.47 | GeneralAntilles | ruskie, well, sure and I do too. |
| 17:27.57 | hiemanshu | alterego: I know that guy, fedora contributor |
| 17:27.59 | GeneralAntilles | But not a lot of people have handled them in real life. |
| 17:28.16 | GeneralAntilles | alterego, not bad. |
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| 17:31.23 | alterego | Eh? |
| 17:32.25 | DocScrutinizer | bot |
| 17:32.43 | DocScrutinizer | friggin arsebot |
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| 17:37.01 | DocScrutinizer | [2011-06-29 19:26:39] <dm8tbr> DocScrutinizer: 'pathin' is a log robot that is feeding some sort of SEO farm |
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| 17:38.55 | alterego | What's an SEO farm? |
| 17:39.00 | alterego | chuckles |
| 17:39.40 | alterego | Hah: DCC SEND from dfaso [0.0.0.0 port 0]: startkeylogger [0B bytes] |
| 17:40.00 | DocScrutinizer | heh |
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| 17:40.55 | SpeedEvil | Saying that start keylogger thing at least used to be grounds for a kline |
| 17:41.01 | SpeedEvil | Dunno if official policy has changed |
| 17:42.53 | alterego | Yeah, well, I didn't notice it until just now |
| 17:43.04 | alterego | Happened 4 hours ago |
| 17:46.38 | frals | bah, everyone not working for nokia got a n950 at meego meet up today ;< |
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| 17:46.52 | alterego | Well, there's a suprise. |
| 17:46.54 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 17:47.06 | alterego | Does that mean they get two if they've applied for the DDP? |
| 17:47.12 | SpeedEvil | How many peeps is that in total? |
| 17:47.19 | SpeedEvil | s/i/wa/ |
| 17:47.22 | javispedro | alterego: yes =) |
| 17:47.45 | SpeedEvil | No way I could have gotten to SF anyway |
| 17:47.54 | frals | guessing less than 30 |
| 17:47.58 | alterego | San Francisco? |
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| 17:48.08 | GeneralAntilles | BASTARDS |
| 17:48.10 | alterego | I thought the meeting was in Helsinki .. |
| 17:48.17 | GeneralAntilles | Screwed us in Dublin, screwed us in SF. |
| 17:48.18 | frals | uh, shouldve clarified, everyone at meego meet up in HEL |
| 17:48.23 | SpeedEvil | oops |
| 17:48.24 | GeneralAntilles | Some piddly little MEETUP gets devices? . . . |
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| 17:48.57 | alterego | GeneralAntilles: I've been asking for _one_ for our meetups in the UK last week and this monday, but no one can help me :( |
| 17:49.15 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 17:49.20 | frals | guess it helps when the meetup was sponsored by nokia |
| 17:49.26 | alterego | Yeah .. |
| 17:49.27 | frals | and it was walking distance from our office |
| 17:49.37 | alterego | frals: why didn't you go? |
| 17:49.41 | frals | i was there |
| 17:49.58 | lcuk | frals, technically you could walk to england |
| 17:50.02 | lcuk | (with a bit of swimming) |
| 17:50.28 | DocScrutinizer | or lead shoes :-) |
| 17:50.50 | ruskie | and gills |
| 17:50.53 | ruskie | don't forget gills |
| 17:51.21 | hiemanshu | and wearing clothes helps |
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| 17:53.11 | javispedro | GeneralAntilles: they're going to do FRINGE science with them! |
| 17:53.19 | ruskie | hehe |
| 17:53.24 | RST38h | Funny, Fringe is on TV right now. |
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| 17:53.51 | redeeman | hello, are there any n900 apps that can log a route with the gps into gpx files with timestamps? |
| 17:54.01 | alterego | Heh GeneralAntilles doesn't even know what Fringe is .. |
| 17:54.17 | SpeedEvil | redeeman: yes |
| 17:54.19 | ruskie | redeeman, yes look under the location&navigation section |
| 17:54.28 | SpeedEvil | redeeman: gps-tracker-widget or something similarly named |
| 17:54.36 | SpeedEvil | I use it for openstreetmap |
| 17:54.48 | ruskie | I think there's a few |
| 17:55.04 | SpeedEvil | yeah - osm2go too |
| 17:55.08 | GeneralAntilles | alterego, Fringe who? |
| 17:55.14 | GeneralAntilles | Why wouldn't I know what Fringe is? |
| 17:55.16 | SpeedEvil | There is one logger that doesn't do timestamps - I forget |
| 17:55.21 | GeneralAntilles | isn't caught up, however. |
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| 17:58.35 | frals | http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/Community_device_program/Nokia |
| 17:58.50 | frals | list of ppl getting n950s ;) |
| 17:59.28 | alterego | I've been freakin accepted! |
| 17:59.30 | alterego | Woo! |
| 17:59.49 | alterego | WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE! |
| 18:00.14 | alterego | GeneralAntilles: you're not on the list |
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| 18:00.42 | GeneralAntilles | alterego, :P |
| 18:00.52 | alterego | :) |
| 18:01.11 | alterego | edits out GeneralAntilles' name |
| 18:01.14 | DocScrutinizer | :-P |
| 18:01.22 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, the wiki seems a dangerous place for that list. |
| 18:01.32 | frals | hm |
| 18:01.34 | alterego | GeneralAntilles: it's not the _master_ list ;) |
| 18:01.44 | frals | did it say something somewhere about nokians applying? |
| 18:01.54 | frals | ... maybe i should have applied to get a real one :P |
| 18:02.45 | javispedro | _all_ the names ring a bell. |
| 18:02.53 | alterego | frals: no Nokians allowed |
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| 18:03.02 | mtnman | hello everybody! |
| 18:03.05 | frals | javispedro: i guess thats kinda the point? ;D |
| 18:03.10 | frals | alterego: it said somewhere? |
| 18:03.16 | alterego | The forum thread |
| 18:03.20 | ShadowJK | Sergey Ivanov gets 2 |
| 18:03.20 | frals | alterego: mkay |
| 18:03.27 | alterego | Just Nokia, Quim didn't seem to care about Intel or LF people. |
| 18:03.40 | DocScrutinizer | so has anybody bothered to wc -l that list yet? |
| 18:03.47 | frals | hah, as if intel people would dare asking for one after all the yelling theyve done |
| 18:03.51 | alterego | "This is the first list of accepted candidates. More will come! You will receive an email with instructions on 30-06-2011." :) |
| 18:04.07 | pabs3 | alterego: ouch on the SDL, would be easier to port games with it |
| 18:04.10 | GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer, fiferboy says 137 |
| 18:04.22 | javispedro | pabs3: I'm working on it |
| 18:04.24 | hiemanshu | w00t |
| 18:04.27 | hiemanshu | I am getting a N950 |
| 18:04.32 | DocScrutinizer | yay, so there's still hope XP |
| 18:04.33 | alterego | Nice Stskeeps got one too |
| 18:04.33 | hiemanshu | http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/Community_device_program/Nokia#Accepted |
| 18:04.39 | alterego | Oh, and texrat |
| 18:04.43 | alterego | What app dev does he do? :P |
| 18:04.44 | frals | javispedro: what with SDL? |
| 18:04.45 | mtnman | is there a way to configure sip on the n900 so that when using a particular account for outgoing calls it will prepend a default country code? i.e. prepend "1" by default to any number dialed? i think this is similar to setting up a dial plan for asterisk. |
| 18:04.54 | javispedro | frals: yep |
| 18:05.08 | javispedro | frals: I mean, it was missing in harmattan |
| 18:05.19 | frals | javispedro: uh, hmm |
| 18:05.22 | jacekowski | mtnman: i just have all numbers in full format |
| 18:05.23 | alterego | pabs3: I think they're forcing us to use Qt and GLES2 to make it work on Symbian ;) |
| 18:05.35 | javispedro | frals: hmm what? :D |
| 18:05.36 | jacekowski | mtnman: with all zeroes and pluses |
| 18:06.25 | mtnman | jacekowski: i don't want to go through my entire contact list and change every entry. besides it may mess things up if i use a different account. is there no way to set up a per-account dial plan? |
| 18:06.33 | DocScrutinizer | mtnman: no |
| 18:07.17 | DocScrutinizer | such an app has been requested for several times, but it's not implementable on closed app botch |
| 18:07.18 | alterego | "* We haven't done the 'Nokia employee' check yet. If you happen to be one, contact Quim Gil." |
| 18:07.22 | alterego | Hahah |
| 18:07.28 | pabs3 | huh, one Debian guy is getting an N950 |
| 18:07.36 | mtnman | which debian guy? |
| 18:07.49 | pabs3 | are the projects public in any way? |
| 18:07.55 | pabs3 | Bradley Smith |
| 18:08.03 | frals | alterego: lol |
| 18:08.05 | mtnman | thanks |
| 18:08.18 | DocScrutinizer | where's jonwill when you need him? |
| 18:08.24 | frals | alterego: i wonder if that includes nokia subcontractors, because i recognize some names on that list which well... |
| 18:08.32 | alterego | frals: I hope I don't get a job offer in the next 12 or so hours ;) |
| 18:08.44 | alterego | frals: no, not sub-contractors |
| 18:08.55 | alterego | They all have _really_ lame protos (if they're working in that area) |
| 18:09.33 | jacekowski | mtnman: full numbers should work everywhere |
| 18:09.54 | frals | alterego: heh, i guess it depends ;) |
| 18:10.00 | DocScrutinizer | nokia subcontractors should read the general meego DDP rules |
| 18:10.18 | MoonTiger | i almost got my first proper maemo5 dialog box working with all proper controls etc etc ... quite exciting for me :) |
| 18:10.27 | jacekowski | have you heard news that N9 will be first last and only meego device? |
| 18:10.29 | DocScrutinizer | highly unlikely Nokia doesn't offer devel devices to subcontractors |
| 18:10.40 | mtnman | looks like i need to go through the whole contact list and change all numbers :-/ |
| 18:11.11 | jacekowski | mtnman: you should have done it from start |
| 18:12.02 | frals | at least one nokian on that list as well -- "ops" :D |
| 18:12.02 | DocScrutinizer | mtnman: export contacts to vcard - edit (using whatever does the job best, sed or word), the reimport |
| 18:12.17 | DocScrutinizer | then* |
| 18:12.26 | alterego | I did have a bit of a heads up though: http://wiki.meego.com/Special:RecentChanges |
| 18:12.30 | alterego | :) |
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| 18:14.30 | frals | some of the people on the list got a device today already as well |
| 18:15.03 | hiemanshu | anyone else here with names on their list? |
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| 18:17.08 | GeneralAntilles | I've got LOTS of names on MY list. |
| 18:17.12 | GeneralAntilles | glares at frals. |
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| 18:17.29 | frals | slips back in to the shadows |
| 18:17.34 | DocScrutinizer | hehehehehe |
| 18:17.41 | GeneralAntilles | w00t__, not on the list? |
| 18:18.16 | alterego | MohammadAG: isn't on the list |
| 18:18.33 | frals | how old is MohammadAG? |
| 18:18.45 | javispedro | alterego: ow. |
| 18:18.47 | frals | ie, is he underage? |
| 18:18.51 | mtnman | well its fine so say i should have done something from the start, but there is no way for me to have known this in advance of this problem. |
| 18:18.56 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG clearly failed as he had *too many* potential ports on his application list |
| 18:19.09 | frals | (note i have nothing to do with this, im just guessing like the rest of you) |
| 18:19.20 | alterego | frals: underage for what? |
| 18:19.26 | DocScrutinizer | ~shoot frals |
| 18:19.26 | infobot | ACTION shoots frals in the head with a frozen turkey cannon! |
| 18:19.28 | javispedro | frals: but there's no age field on meego.com profile? |
| 18:19.28 | alterego | He was probably one of the later submissions |
| 18:19.29 | pabs3 | mtnman: Michal ÄihaÅ is another Debian guy |
| 18:19.32 | frals | for signing some mumbojumbo contracts |
| 18:19.39 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
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| 18:19.55 | alterego | Venemo isn't on there either. |
| 18:20.01 | frals | based on what happend today you have to sign a contract, and if you are underaged im guessing thats gonna be a problem |
| 18:20.09 | alterego | Neah |
| 18:20.14 | frals | or May not be able to ship to certain countries / locations. |
| 18:20.17 | javispedro | didn't MohammadAG finish college recently? |
| 18:20.23 | javispedro | he's probably not underage |
| 18:20.29 | alterego | He's finishing college yeah |
| 18:20.47 | javispedro | sorry, I always confuse english education stuff |
| 18:20.53 | javispedro | I meant high school |
| 18:20.55 | javispedro | or |
| 18:20.58 | javispedro | bah, forget it. |
| 18:20.59 | DocScrutinizer | ""he's old enough to carry a gun"" |
| 18:21.52 | DocScrutinizer | I bet IL army won't want him to |
| 18:22.20 | alterego | Teeheehee |
| 18:22.25 | alterego | I'm feeling quite evil |
| 18:22.35 | alterego | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1041631 |
| 18:22.53 | alterego | Just created a thread on tmo about accepted N950s ;) |
| 18:22.58 | alterego | That'll piss off the locals |
| 18:23.00 | alterego | runs away. |
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| 18:23.47 | DocScrutinizer | alterego: get your asbestos underwear |
| 18:23.54 | alterego | Heh |
| 18:24.05 | alterego | I wonder when the N9 will go through FCC now .. |
| 18:24.14 | fiferboy | alterego: 137, but someone is listed twice :) |
| 18:24.14 | DocScrutinizer | me too |
| 18:24.16 | mtnman | is there a way to have the phone default to a particular sip account for outgoing calls? it seems to always default to "cellular" even though i have no sim card installed. |
| 18:24.54 | DocScrutinizer | ouch |
| 18:25.12 | DocScrutinizer | I bet there is some hidden trick |
| 18:25.57 | mtnman | DocScrutinizer: hidden trick comment directed towards me? |
| 18:26.04 | DocScrutinizer | well, the obvious solution is to prepend phone by sip: |
| 18:26.16 | DocScrutinizer | :-/ |
| 18:26.43 | mtnman | DocScrutinizer: that would still require choosing a sip account. i want to reduce the number of steps to complete a call |
| 18:26.44 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: are you on the accepted list? |
| 18:26.57 | DocScrutinizer | nah |
| 18:27.11 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: weird |
| 18:27.20 | DocScrutinizer | :shrug: |
| 18:27.52 | DocScrutinizer | I'm evidently no world class app devel |
| 18:28.16 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: I am at a n00b at it too :/ |
| 18:28.20 | DocScrutinizer | I just can suggest how t build apps |
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| 18:28.57 | GeneralAntilles | So, how many hit lists did Quim just put these people on? |
| 18:29.19 | DocScrutinizer | and my worst problem is I favour solutions that can't get called apps as they work completely transparent |
| 18:29.37 | alterego | :) |
| 18:29.53 | DocScrutinizer | is starhash-enabler an *app*?? I'd say clearly not |
| 18:30.00 | alterego | "these people" ? You're one of us! |
| 18:30.39 | GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer, I think you fall in Quim's group 3. |
| 18:31.00 | DocScrutinizer | I think I fall in quimgroup1- |
| 18:31.01 | GeneralAntilles | Or rather, level 1. |
| 18:31.02 | GeneralAntilles | http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=24006&postcount=126 |
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| 18:31.29 | javispedro | aka fringe division |
| 18:31.29 | DocScrutinizer | or 0+ |
| 18:31.37 | Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: MohammadAG: I wouldn't worry too much yet |
| 18:32.01 | javispedro | Jaffa: I have to wonder by what definition does MohammadAG fall on fringe division, though. |
| 18:32.03 | DocScrutinizer | figure h-e-n would work without any friggin GUI, just figure... |
| 18:32.12 | javispedro | we'll have to ask what was his application like... |
| 18:33.05 | Jaffa | was going to play Devil's Advocate put it's not easy, nor fun |
| 18:33.34 | GeneralAntilles | ponders posting http://thumbpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/trollface.jpg in alterego's thread. |
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| 18:33.57 | GeneralAntilles | 500+ applications |
| 18:34.02 | GeneralAntilles | means it's easy to overlook some. |
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| 18:34.24 | hiemanshu | well atleast 20-30% would be group 0 |
| 18:34.42 | alterego | Hah |
| 18:35.22 | alterego | Do it RAGE QUIT TMO! |
| 18:35.39 | alterego | Pretend you didn't get accepted and say how you've been here longer than any one in the universe |
| 18:35.51 | alterego | And if it wasn't for you sleeping with a certain persons wife you would have one already |
| 18:35.53 | DocScrutinizer | shrugs and heads out - N9(50) never been the top topic |
| 18:36.21 | fiferboy | I think Quim's thread on f.m.c is going to get interesting now |
| 18:37.34 | hiemanshu | fiferboy: very very |
| 18:37.53 | alterego | I think the TMO one will be more interesting. |
| 18:38.08 | alterego | Hah, I didn't think you'd actually do it GeneralAntilles :P |
| 18:38.21 | GeneralAntilles | That image just cracks me up. |
| 18:38.27 | javispedro | alterego: why, why you had to open a thraed on tmo |
| 18:38.29 | alterego | It's good |
| 18:38.40 | alterego | javispedro: to get my own back ... |
| 18:40.13 | alterego | I really hope abill_uk didn't apply or get one .. |
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| 18:41.56 | Jaffa | alterego: What's his real name? Besides, it'd require him reading stuff |
| 18:42.15 | alterego | Heh yeah, I don't know his real name. |
| 18:42.37 | alterego | I'm not even convinced he lives in the UK, though he could from the times he has posted on tmo |
| 18:42.48 | DocScrutinizer | honestly I wonder if extending the functions of the device without installing an icon to start a GUI falls in quim's definition of 'application' |
| 18:43.18 | alterego | I don't think it does. |
| 18:43.33 | DocScrutinizer | which is clearly odd |
| 18:44.16 | DocScrutinizer | better install an 'app' to do e.g. sip calls rather than integrate it into stock dialer? |
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| 18:44.35 | alterego | more likely something that is installable through the app store and adds value to the N9 |
| 18:45.22 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, probably everything is installable thru app store |
| 18:46.01 | DocScrutinizer | adding value however is a relative metric |
| 18:46.14 | alterego | "Device Bricker 2k" - "Ever wanted to live tyhrough 1999 again?" |
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| 18:46.26 | dm8tbr | DocScrutinizer: awesome idea, make an ui for existing functionality, make it look a little differen. presto an app!!!!11! |
| 18:46.55 | DocScrutinizer | indeed, that's the other way round |
| 18:47.13 | alterego | One of the requirements was not duplicating functionality |
| 18:47.41 | DocScrutinizer | honestly, I' wondering if starhash-enabler is an app or not, and why |
| 18:48.02 | alterego | Why did someone get accepted for it? ;) |
| 18:49.04 | mtnman | DocScrutinizer: the app you describe is something i could use (to make sip calls rather than cellular) |
| 18:49.07 | DocScrutinizer | it's clearly shippable via appstore, but it doesn't match *any* of my definitions of an app |
| 18:50.11 | DocScrutinizer | mtnman: ooh, if that's all you need to get happy, that's probably easy |
| 18:50.36 | DocScrutinizer | there's a well documented way to initialize a call |
| 18:50.43 | mtnman | DocScrutinizer: dunno if thats all i need, but it would be a step in the happy direction |
| 18:50.44 | DocScrutinizer | via dbus |
| 18:51.32 | DocScrutinizer | probably you could bash together something using queenbeecon and dbus-send |
| 18:52.20 | DocScrutinizer | click into the widget, enter number to call, press enter -> voila call via preferred sip account to the number you entered |
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| 18:53.13 | DocScrutinizer | don't expect this to work for calls from contacts though |
| 18:53.17 | mtnman | i noticed an entry in /usr/share/osso-rtcom/voip-support/sip.profile "Default-cellular = true". wonder what the effect of "= false" would be. |
| 18:53.24 | DocScrutinizer | nor from call histroy |
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| 18:53.34 | mtnman | DocScrutinizer: contact support is important to me |
| 18:53.47 | w00t__ | GeneralAntilles: not on the first batch, at least. I'll not panic until the rest are done :-) |
| 18:54.13 | alterego | w00t__: when did you submit your proposal? |
| 18:54.16 | DocScrutinizer | mtnman: see? it's in the details where it starts to get tricky |
| 18:54.26 | DocScrutinizer | it's never the shiny app that cuts it |
| 18:54.26 | mtnman | no shit |
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| 18:55.05 | alterego | Actually I was wrong, Venemo has been accepted |
| 18:55.32 | frals | w00t__: what was your proposal? |
| 18:55.43 | DocScrutinizer | so how would I call a package that adds a "use this as default" checkmark box to each phone transport account? |
| 18:55.53 | DocScrutinizer | is that an Application?? |
| 18:56.58 | w00t__ | frals: the primary point of it (amongst all the other random crap I get up to) was to hack on tablet ux on there, get it running, and usable |
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| 18:57.26 | frals | w00t__: ah, i see |
| 18:57.42 | frals | w00t__: madness to replace our AWESOME ui with something as crappy as tablet ux, but i get the point of doing it ;) |
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| 18:58.04 | w00t__ | frals: I love harmattan, but fully OSS wins every time ;) |
| 18:58.22 | DocScrutinizer | haha, so you also fall into quimgroup1, as I do |
| 18:58.35 | frals | w00t__: i guess mcompositor and meegotouchhome is oss.. ;-) |
| 18:58.43 | DocScrutinizer | w00t__: a new OS is no *app* dude! |
| 18:58.58 | DocScrutinizer | ;-) |
| 18:59.04 | mtnman | DocScrutinizer: easydebian? |
| 18:59.08 | alterego | Just call it a "theme" :P |
| 18:59.10 | DocScrutinizer | neither |
| 18:59.16 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 18:59.36 | DocScrutinizer | well, easydebian is a chroot, that's indeed tricky |
| 18:59.52 | DocScrutinizer | it can have an icon and a GUI to start it |
| 18:59.56 | mtnman | do you consider easydebian an app? |
| 19:00.34 | DocScrutinizer | so maybe easyDebian actually *is* an app, while meego tablet UX clearly isn't ;-) |
| 19:00.52 | alterego | DocScrutinizer: you an have an icon to launch the tablet ux :P |
| 19:00.55 | mtnman | so an entire os *can* be considered an app... :D |
| 19:01.04 | DocScrutinizer | LOL |
| 19:01.15 | mtnman | another example: emacs |
| 19:01.22 | DocScrutinizer | *cough* |
| 19:01.27 | DocScrutinizer | hides |
| 19:01.52 | mtnman | it is largely considered to be an os with a pretty good editor |
| 19:02.20 | DocScrutinizer | nah I heard it's a pretty good OS with a crappy editor |
| 19:02.27 | mr_jrt | Quick question: Doing my first spot of pointer aritmetic on ARM (N900)...and I'm a tad confused by something. I have a guchar* to a block of memory, and I know the first 4 bytes are an int32, which I want to create a uint32* to. I've tried this by casting the guchar*, and gdb shows both pointers have the same value. However, when I dereference the pointer, I get random garbage. When I look at the memory addresses, the values are there fine. This an ARM align |
| 19:02.27 | mtnman | ymmv |
| 19:02.28 | DocScrutinizer | ;-P |
| 19:04.32 | DocScrutinizer | mr_jrt: umm, endianness? |
| 19:04.34 | alterego | mr_jrt: probably endianness |
| 19:04.42 | alterego | snap :P |
| 19:04.43 | DocScrutinizer | hehe, first |
| 19:05.29 | macmaN | total score at the meego meetup - everyone in the room got an n950 |
| 19:05.44 | DocScrutinizer | mr_jrt: convert the "crap" you get to hex and then look at it again |
| 19:05.48 | frals | macmaN: not everyone... :P |
| 19:05.52 | Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: wrt starhash-enabler; I think the N950 manual (or certainly something) describes dialling various starhash/USSD codes to access some functionality; i.e. it might already be built-in |
| 19:06.14 | macmaN | lol, yeah excl nokia employees who probably have like 5 of them already in drawers |
| 19:06.25 | DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: it clearly doesn't and isn't and does not work |
| 19:06.39 | Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: On Harmattan? Fair enough |
| 19:06.41 | frals | macmaN: i wish, the N950 is *rare* :p |
| 19:06.47 | DocScrutinizer | ooh on harmattan |
| 19:06.58 | DocScrutinizer | nfi |
| 19:06.59 | Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: Since this was a Harmattan dev programme... ;-) |
| 19:07.38 | Jaffa | For Maemo 5, I wouldn't count it as an "app"; but that doesn't mean I don't get it through an app store or that it doesn't add value. |
| 19:07.42 | DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: we can hardly refer to our previous apps published for harmattan, no? |
| 19:07.52 | mr_jrt | Well, I'm expecting the value to be 0x00000003, the memory address has 0x03000000 (I'm fine with endianness), but deferencing the pointer gives 0x50331648, which makes no sense at all, endianess or otherwise. :) |
| 19:07.58 | alterego | Actually yeah, you can :P |
| 19:08.08 | Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: No, but *presumably* one of the criteria is "do we want this on the N9 at launch?" |
| 19:08.27 | Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: Anyway, I said I wasn't going to play Devil's Advocate. Yes, I think you should get one. MohammadAG too. |
| 19:08.44 | Jaffa | Anyone who isn't a troll and adds value to the community. The more the merrier. |
| 19:08.53 | DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: I bet they'd want USB hostmode, or they got something wrong with their priorities |
| 19:08.55 | frals | its not the complete list anyway |
| 19:09.00 | Jaffa | frals: +1 |
| 19:09.04 | frals | its 133 out of 250 |
| 19:09.11 | Jaffa | Just over 50% |
| 19:09.29 | Jaffa | And there'll be other devices beyond the 250, either N950s or N9s. Betcha. |
| 19:09.40 | alterego | Problem is MohammadAG kinda joined after quim left for meego ;) |
| 19:09.56 | frals | left for meego <- ??? |
| 19:10.11 | Jaffa | alterego: He and I discussed the CSSU and the cool work MohammadAG was doing in Dublin. |
| 19:10.19 | Jaffa | alterego: He's very much aware (or was, anyway) |
| 19:10.56 | mr_jrt | arrgh. Just realised gdb isn't showing me in hex. /facepalm |
| 19:11.06 | mr_jrt | ta. |
| 19:11.13 | alterego | Jaffa: sure |
| 19:11.14 | DocScrutinizer | the motr puzzling to see moh missing on that list of early birds |
| 19:11.21 | DocScrutinizer | more* |
| 19:11.36 | alterego | DocScrutinizer: aiui he was quite late with his submission# |
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| 19:11.51 | DocScrutinizer | maybe, dunno |
| 19:12.05 | hiemanshu | how did MAG get root access yesterday? |
| 19:12.15 | frals | ssh root@localhost / rootme |
| 19:12.16 | Jaffa | hiemanshu: su |
| 19:12.18 | DocScrutinizer | tbh Nokia is late on getting him on board |
| 19:12.25 | Jaffa | Or that. |
| 19:12.27 | hiemanshu | right |
| 19:12.38 | Jaffa | Anyway, ISTR my memory of 770-era default root passwords came in handy :-) |
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| 19:12.51 | Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: Indeed. |
| 19:12.54 | frals | was default on fremantle as well wasnt it? |
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| 19:14.47 | DocScrutinizer | tzz, and I forgot it |
| 19:14.59 | DocScrutinizer | well, there's a chanlog |
| 19:15.24 | DocScrutinizer | aah spotted it |
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| 19:16.20 | Jaffa | frals: Yeah - but no-one ever needed it from then on |
| 19:16.29 | DocScrutinizer | haha |
| 19:16.39 | DocScrutinizer | then came aegis |
| 19:16.45 | hiemanshu | ok, so there seems to be a meegotouchtheme |
| 19:16.47 | Jaffa | :) |
| 19:16.50 | hiemanshu | which is for the qt styling |
| 19:17.45 | DocScrutinizer | I wonder since when those N950 are on RDA |
| 19:17.56 | DocScrutinizer | can't be more than 2 days |
| 19:18.58 | DocScrutinizer | when I looked there's been nuttin yet |
| 19:19.01 | hiemanshu | its been a little over a day |
| 19:19.07 | DocScrutinizer | yeah |
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| 19:24.53 | MohammadAG | I didn't "win"? |
| 19:25.03 | Jaffa | MohammadAG: Not in the first wave, it seems. |
| 19:26.14 | MohammadAG | :/ |
| 19:27.58 | MohammadAG | Oh well, /me starts looking at Android |
| 19:29.19 | Jaffa | MohammadAG: Only 130 names have been published. |
| 19:29.55 | Jaffa | And there are other routes than the meego.com programme |
| 19:31.04 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: or you could always threaten to kill elop, and flatten all his tyres |
| 19:31.17 | MohammadAG | Jaffa, doesn't matter, I was in the first 100 or 200 applications, I'm sure |
| 19:31.36 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: when did you apply? |
| 19:31.40 | MohammadAG | And the project was 2 months worth of time |
| 19:31.44 | MohammadAG | hiemanshu, first day |
| 19:32.14 | MohammadAG | I've seen others who applied after me in the list, so... |
| 19:32.19 | GeneralAntilles | MohammadAG, I'm with Jaffa, I wouldn't worry yet. |
| 19:32.28 | frals | what was the project MohammadAG? |
| 19:32.39 | fiferboy | Sounds like Quim has gone through them all and is now going back over them for a second round |
| 19:32.46 | MohammadAG | http://bt-messenger.com |
| 19:33.21 | javispedro | sounds like an oversight to me |
| 19:33.23 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: I applied about 1 week and 22 hours ago |
| 19:33.37 | javispedro | I mean, it's not possible. |
| 19:33.58 | hiemanshu | right |
| 19:33.58 | MohammadAG | hiemanshu, you're in the list? |
| 19:34.02 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: yes |
| 19:34.37 | MohammadAG | oh well, congrats everyone |
| 19:34.54 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: you should be on that list |
| 19:35.35 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: I am pretty sure he'll add you on the re-run now |
| 19:35.56 | GeneralAntilles | I wonder what the distribution curve is going to look like for icon background colors. |
| 19:36.22 | MohammadAG | hiemanshu, if I'm not, it's Android for me |
| 19:36.37 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: and java? really? |
| 19:36.56 | MohammadAG | hiemanshu, I'm learning a new language either way |
| 19:37.04 | MohammadAG | hint, QML |
| 19:37.23 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: well, there is libmeegotouch, and a meegotouch theme on the device |
| 19:37.32 | fiferboy | GeneralAntilles: Problem is most user applications will probably fall into the generic "Tools" category |
| 19:37.40 | MohammadAG | well sociality looks like shit with it |
| 19:37.43 | hiemanshu | a widget gallery using meegotouch which shows up perfectly fine |
| 19:37.52 | GeneralAntilles | fiferboy, we should switch to purple. |
| 19:37.54 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: I am trying to find the way to activate the right theme |
| 19:38.10 | MohammadAG | I'll probably keep the CSSU up and continue to support it, if not, I'm sure someone will take over |
| 19:38.19 | fiferboy | GeneralAntilles: You could easily do that under the "Photo" category |
| 19:39.49 | javispedro | GeneralAntilles: http://depot.javispedro.com/nit/hicg/ |
| 19:39.55 | javispedro | GeneralAntilles: note it's nonworking yet |
| 19:40.16 | piggz | MohammadAG: qml certainly makes portability a very minor issue...i nearly have an app running on android...only small issue is it not finding the qml files, i need to stick them all in a qt resource file instead of using the filesystem |
| 19:40.18 | javispedro | GeneralAntilles: and it doesn't do the icon background just yet neither =) |
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| 19:42.52 | MohammadAG | piggz, then nothing's wrong with android for me |
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| 19:44.19 | djszapiN950 | how can I forward the mobile internet to my laptop from N900 ? |
| 19:44.50 | djszapiN950 | i tried pppconf and pon, but I cannot connect, google does not load anything after pon |
| 19:45.33 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: so the widgetsgallery app uses libmeegotouch, running from terminal shows MApplicationService warnings |
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| 19:46.34 | MohammadAG | hiemanshu, again, new language, might as well use Java |
| 19:46.47 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: nope, its plain Qt |
| 19:46.59 | MohammadAG | anyway, rant over, I just felt like I was fucked in the ass |
| 19:47.05 | djszapiN950 | it is plain libmeegotouch.... |
| 19:47.15 | hiemanshu | meegotouch-demos-widgetsgallery is plain libmeegotouch |
| 19:47.19 | hiemanshu | which is plain Qt, just themed |
| 19:47.26 | djszapiN950 | not plain qt... |
| 19:47.40 | MohammadAG | no, not Qt |
| 19:47.45 | MohammadAG | it's not portable |
| 19:47.48 | MohammadAG | anyway, bbl at night |
| 19:48.08 | djszapiN950 | hiemanshu nope |
| 19:48.21 | djszapiN950 | well, kde is also plain qt then |
| 19:48.23 | hiemanshu | well there seems to be a theme for it |
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| 19:48.54 | hiemanshu | djszapiN950: ah ok |
| 19:49.12 | hiemanshu | djszapiN950: well plain Qt = no QML |
| 19:49.44 | djszapiN950 | gtk is plain qt then :) |
| 19:49.46 | djszapiN950 | no qml :P |
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| 19:52.01 | hiemanshu | djszapiN950: so is wxWidgets :P |
| 19:52.34 | djszapiN950 | anybody any idea for ppp issues ? |
| 19:53.53 | hiemanshu | djszapiN950: use something like mobilehotspot to setup a Wi-Fi hotspot to use |
| 19:54.21 | djszapiN950 | cept that it does not work |
| 19:54.44 | djszapiN950 | and nope, I would like to use ppp |
| 19:55.00 | djszapiN950 | mhs and wep is not enough.... |
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| 20:14.47 | Venemo | it is outrageous that they don't give an N950 to MohammadAG |
| 20:15.29 | GeneralAntilles | It hasn't been decided yet. |
| 20:15.36 | frals | its not the final list |
| 20:15.39 | frals | *sigh* |
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| 20:17.36 | macmaN | yeah 114 people still to go |
| 20:17.43 | macmaN | im pretty sure MohammadAG is gonna get it |
| 20:18.00 | frals | more since people on the list got device today and at least one is a nokian |
| 20:18.00 | macmaN | after all, he is THE man |
| 20:18.25 | Venemo | ~MohammadAG |
| 20:18.25 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, mohammadag is your father |
| 20:18.31 | Venemo | seeM |
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| 20:18.48 | Venemo | well anyway, I'm crossing my fingers for him :) |
| 20:22.13 | trx | ive seen the list just now |
| 20:22.17 | trx | congrats Venemo |
| 20:22.42 | Venemo | thanks trx |
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| 20:29.51 | SpeedEvil | Where is this list? I was assuming Quims devkit thread - but seems not |
| 20:30.40 | frals | on the wikipage linked in the thread |
| 20:30.41 | GAN900 | Wiki |
| 20:30.44 | frals | *just lost the link* |
| 20:31.03 | frals | SpeedEvil: http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/Community_device_program/Nokia |
| 20:31.12 | SpeedEvil | ah - right |
| 20:32.05 | SpeedEvil | Some worthy names that I recognise on the list |
| 20:32.34 | frals | hmm, is zehkjotah (sic) a dev? isnt he like, blogger? :o |
| 20:33.12 | alterego | He's a dev |
| 20:33.19 | alterego | Does some work for Intel |
| 20:34.16 | frals | ok |
| 20:34.18 | DocScrutinizer | isn't that zehjotkah? |
| 20:34.29 | frals | ye, thats the one i meant |
| 20:34.42 | SpeedEvil | Ken-Young, lcuk, stskeeps jump out at a first read of the list, who do seem to be 'clear cases' - to me. |
| 20:34.43 | MohammadAG | alterego, afaik it's community work, not devel |
| 20:35.02 | MohammadAG | could be wrong |
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| 20:35.10 | DocScrutinizer | stskeeps? not really, he should get a device directly |
| 20:35.16 | SpeedEvil | I don't know many of the names I guess. |
| 20:35.28 | frals | lots of names on that list i never heard of |
| 20:35.50 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: True - I'd have thought. |
| 20:35.57 | DocScrutinizer | honestly I thought stskeeps is a "Nokian" |
| 20:36.02 | SpeedEvil | frals: yup - I wonder how many of them we know by nick. |
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| 20:36.05 | SpeedEvil | I thought he was too. |
| 20:36.10 | frals | hes not |
| 20:36.11 | SpeedEvil | It can be so hard to work out. |
| 20:36.14 | frals | subcontractor afaik |
| 20:36.38 | DocScrutinizer | so what? subcontractors are supposed to go launchpad DDP |
| 20:36.42 | frals | (last i heard he had his own company or something like that) |
| 20:37.05 | frals | DocScrutinizer: why? |
| 20:37.18 | frals | they just happen to work for a company doing business with nokia |
| 20:37.32 | DocScrutinizer | because 90% of the devices are for subcontractors |
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| 20:38.46 | frals | i dont think i follow |
| 20:39.25 | frals | i assume they are getting the devices for their own time hobby oss projects and not because of what they do for a living |
| 20:39.47 | frals | and the launchpad DDP are meant for people who are doing what they do for their company |
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| 20:39.55 | DocScrutinizer | so what's it then what stskeeps is doing for a living for Nokia? |
| 20:40.48 | frals | i have no idea if hes even actually on a contract with nokia anymore, last i saw he was doing some meego-arm stuff |
| 20:40.54 | DocScrutinizer | I don't think they hired (or subcontracted) him for betatesting headsets |
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| 20:41.31 | DocScrutinizer | meh, nm |
| 20:42.29 | frals | anyway, im sure some of the names on that list could get a device without going through that program, no arguing there |
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| 20:42.56 | frals | (note personal opinion and all that, i actually have no insight in the process here) |
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| 20:43.19 | SpeedEvil | I'd hesitate to say stskeeps shouldn't get another device, even if he had one already. :) |
| 20:44.00 | SpeedEvil | There is a note on there 'please note we haven't checked these people aren't with nokia or something. |
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| 20:44.11 | DocScrutinizer | I'm not saying he shouldn't get, I suggest he uses beter channels than this program |
| 20:45.27 | alterego | Not realy |
| 20:45.54 | alterego | He subcontracts through Nomovok, he has an early prototype, but he's not sure about whether he's still got a contract. |
| 20:45.57 | alterego | (soon) |
| 20:46.03 | alterego | Think it expires in a few monthsl |
| 20:49.12 | frals | well... i have a feeling its the same for most nokians and we are excluded for some reason :P |
| 20:51.26 | frals | anyways, off to dream about managers yelling about bugs, gnite! |
| 20:51.43 | MohammadAG | meh who am I kidding, Android sucks balls |
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| 20:53.55 | Jaffa | frals: And if you're laid off, you "forget" to bring it in on your last day to give back ;-) |
| 20:54.09 | MohammadAG | night frals |
| 20:54.31 | X-Fade | Jaffa: OBS experiments going well? |
| 20:55.16 | Jaffa | X-Fade: http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=24047&postcount=15 has a script which gets stuff in to OBSable packages. And I understand more about how OBS works so I can update the Getting_started_with_OBS wiki page |
| 20:55.35 | Jaffa | X-Fade: Basically the Debian build got through to going "hang on, your build-depends are shit" |
| 20:55.44 | Jaffa | X-Fade: Which I take to be a *very* good sign :-) |
| 20:55.44 | X-Fade | Jaffa: Ok, that is a really good step. |
| 20:56.09 | X-Fade | Jaffa: Yeah, if you get past that part, then the rest is your crappy code :D |
| 20:56.16 | Jaffa | X-Fade: :) |
| 20:56.24 | Jaffa | X-Fade: Get past your chroot problem? |
| 20:56.26 | X-Fade | Jaffa: But anyway, good news. |
| 20:56.38 | X-Fade | Jaffa: Well, I made progress. |
| 20:57.07 | X-Fade | Jaffa: The Harmattan target starts the bootstrapping process now. It just fails installing some dependency. |
| 20:57.35 | X-Fade | Jaffa: Need to debug that more. Possibly aegis related :) |
| 20:57.47 | Jaffa | X-Fade: No doubt. All Harmattan problems will be blamed on Aegis |
| 20:58.08 | Jaffa | MohammadAG: BTW, with BT Messenger I can see some cool NFC stuff being nice - tap a device which is already part of the mesh and you join it |
| 20:58.34 | javispedro | X-Fade: Doing that on your own? Good luck! :P |
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| 20:58.34 | X-Fade | Jaffa: But now at least it doesn't seem hopeless atm. |
| 20:58.47 | javispedro | the aegis hooks during package building sounded übercomplex |
| 20:58.57 | X-Fade | javispedro: Yes, one man job :) |
| 20:59.16 | X-Fade | javispedro: Well atm it is rather LOUD in terms of warnings :) |
| 20:59.42 | SpeedEvil | Jaffa: Is there any detailed documentation on the NFC? - as it interfaces to the outside world. I.E. 'speaks ISO14443A/B, ISO...' |
| 20:59.48 | MohammadAG | Jaffa, well, someone will have to pick it up if I'm not on the list ;) |
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| 20:59.54 | MohammadAG | you're welcome to do so |
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| 21:00.17 | Jaffa | SpeedEvil: I have no idea how on earth different NFC devices communicate |
| 21:00.19 | mece | MohammadAG, I wouldn't worry... :) |
| 21:00.29 | Jaffa | MohammadAG: Patience, my padawan learner. |
| 21:00.33 | javispedro | MohammadAG: man, from all the people that have been omitted from the list, you're the only one who a) half of the channel has said you deserve one b ) half of TMO has said you deserve one. |
| 21:00.55 | MohammadAG | Jaffa, was just pissed an hour ago, ignore the rant |
| 21:01.06 | X-Fade | MohammadAG: Don't fear, there are other ways to get you one. |
| 21:01.18 | MohammadAG | X-Fade, not looking into them ;) |
| 21:01.27 | X-Fade | MohammadAG: But just wait for this round and we'll see what happens. |
| 21:01.29 | javispedro | MohammadAG: so, I wouldn't worry =) I'm sure Jaffa will send you his =) |
| 21:01.30 | Jaffa | MohammadAG: You won't need to. |
| 21:01.33 | MohammadAG | I'd rather get one the same way everyone did |
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| 21:01.59 | MohammadAG | not through developer.nokia.com :P |
| 21:02.06 | MohammadAG | Anyway, there's tomorrow |
| 21:02.11 | Jaffa | MohammadAG: It's all the same place. |
| 21:02.19 | MoonTiger | is QSqlQuery binding really as broken as it appears to be with sqlite? |
| 21:02.22 | mece | MohammadAG, but then you wont get the special MAG edition version, with rocket boosters |
| 21:02.28 | Jaffa | MohammadAG: All Quim's doing is setting up the provisioning with Ronan & developer.nokia.com. |
| 21:02.35 | X-Fade | There are just multiple people with a stack of phones. Doesn't matter where it comes from. |
| 21:02.46 | MohammadAG | mece, no lasers? pfft |
| 21:02.49 | Jaffa | MohammadAG: There's the Qt Ambassadors, which is a developer.nokia.com programme. |
| 21:03.10 | MohammadAG | I'm no ambassador :p |
| 21:03.11 | Jaffa | MohammadAG: As X-Fade says, there's a bunch of phones to give out. |
| 21:03.13 | mece | MohammadAG, well I didn't think lasers needed mentioning. Who'd want a phone without lasers?? |
| 21:03.25 | MohammadAG | Again, will wait for tomorrow |
| 21:03.53 | Jaffa | Anyway, I'm amazed the TMO crowd think you should have one. CSSU will take a back seat to Harmattan development and all the N900 owners will be screwed. |
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| 21:04.06 | javispedro | Jaffa: ssshhhh!! |
| 21:04.10 | mece | LOL |
| 21:04.12 | MohammadAG | you'd be surprised :p |
| 21:04.28 | X-Fade | We should seriously think about a CSSU for Harmattan though.. |
| 21:04.35 | MohammadAG | I'm not killing the CSSU, whether I get an N950, or turn to Android |
| 21:04.40 | mece | X-Fade, hear hear |
| 21:04.46 | MohammadAG | the latter seems to be something I would do if I'm drunk |
| 21:05.09 | SpeedEvil | X-Fade: I suppose how important it is depends on how the n950 is configured. But I can't imagine it's going to be that more open than the n900 that the importance fades away. |
| 21:05.34 | MohammadAG | X-Fade, getting a CSSU won't be easy |
| 21:05.41 | Sc0rpius | don't turn to Android |
| 21:05.45 | Sc0rpius | I have an Android tablet |
| 21:05.48 | Sc0rpius | and I want to kill it |
| 21:05.52 | MohammadAG | remember the thing we all know and love? starts with Aegis |
| 21:05.54 | mece | MohammadAG, new lockscreen looks ace btw! |
| 21:05.55 | X-Fade | MohammadAG: Oh, there are ways :) |
| 21:05.56 | Sc0rpius | I wish I could put Debian on it |
| 21:05.59 | SpeedEvil | I guess that the 'reverse engineering' that's been done for the n900 at least sets the scenes for the general idea behind getting under teh skin of the n950 |
| 21:06.00 | Jaffa | has just remembered one of his Harmattan app ideas that he missed off his application. (Event feed notifications of train platforms with some geolocation awareness and configuration of your regular journey) |
| 21:06.13 | RST38h | Sc0rpius:Send it over here I will kill it for you |
| 21:06.32 | mece | Sc0rpius, which tablet? |
| 21:06.33 | Sc0rpius | :) |
| 21:06.34 | javispedro | RST38h: the tentacled one will not forgive you for that |
| 21:06.52 | Sc0rpius | it's a Coby Kyros MID7015, one of those cheap chinese 7" tablets |
| 21:06.56 | MohammadAG | X-Fade, dpkg -r aegis* is one |
| 21:07.04 | RST38h | javispedro:he is ok about it, having recently eaten |
| 21:07.23 | MohammadAG | :p |
| 21:07.25 | Sc0rpius | Android is slow, and lack of a real multitasking annoys me |
| 21:07.34 | javispedro | poor openSL es committee |
| 21:07.45 | X-Fade | MohammadAG: We'll discuss it when you have one in hands :) |
| 21:07.45 | mece | the bypassing/removing aegis must be top priority for the community. |
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| 21:07.58 | RST38h | javispedro: why do you think these madmen are poor? |
| 21:08.15 | Jaffa | mece: Not if doing so cripples functionality :-/ |
| 21:08.27 | SpeedEvil | Virtualise aegis! |
| 21:08.27 | mece | Jaffa, well that's the hard part isn't it? |
| 21:08.32 | MohammadAG | X-Fade, s/when/if/ :P |
| 21:08.39 | javispedro | hits MohammadAG |
| 21:08.53 | mece | pats MohammadAG on the back *there there* don't worry |
| 21:08.57 | X-Fade | I have a feeling that agis is not too bad for us atm, but that is all I'm going to say about that. :D |
| 21:09.01 | Jaffa | mece: Getting rid of it is easy: go to open mode and set the policy to be unrestricted. What that means in terms of functionality... |
| 21:09.05 | Jaffa | X-Fade: +1 |
| 21:09.08 | MohammadAG | cries on mece's shoulder |
| 21:09.26 | mece | Jaffa, well that's why it needs to be bypassed and not removed.. |
| 21:09.34 | SpeedEvil | Jaffa: And more importantly - what that means for the functionality of the n9 as configured for sale. |
| 21:09.34 | MohammadAG | ALL I WANTED WAS A LASER EQUIPPED PHONE *sob* |
| 21:09.54 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: Coincidentally, I am considering buying a laser to make a soldering iron with. |
| 21:09.57 | MoonTiger | MohammadAG, you do a lot of qt stuff right? |
| 21:10.00 | RST38h | why do you need a phone whe you have already got a mfcking lase? |
| 21:10.02 | RST38h | r |
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| 21:10.25 | X-Fade | Going to get some sleep. More Harmattan work tomorrow. |
| 21:10.29 | MohammadAG | ahem, back to being serious |
| 21:10.40 | MohammadAG | MoonTiger, done some Gtk alongside, but yes |
| 21:10.59 | MoonTiger | i am having a real problem with sqlite bound parameters in a qsqlquery |
| 21:11.08 | RST38h | Android App Downloads Now Total 4.5 Billion! |
| 21:11.11 | MoonTiger | lkeps failing with "parameter count mismatch" |
| 21:11.11 | MohammadAG | SQLite isn't Qt :p |
| 21:11.13 | RST38h | (how do they count?) |
| 21:11.24 | MoonTiger | ok the qt qsqlquery class |
| 21:11.29 | MoonTiger | when used with sqlite |
| 21:11.41 | MohammadAG | RST38h, fingers, why do you think they have many employees! |
| 21:11.46 | MoonTiger | have u any experience with this? |
| 21:11.55 | javispedro | pats MohammadAG and points him to #idonothaveann900, a channel I founded two years ago |
| 21:12.01 | MohammadAG | nope, never used SQLite |
| 21:12.16 | MoonTiger | MohammadAG, ok thnx .... what do you use for storage then? |
| 21:12.18 | MohammadAG | javispedro, you serious about the channel part? |
| 21:12.28 | MohammadAG | MoonTiger, QSettings |
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| 21:12.38 | MohammadAG | or manual writing with QFile |
| 21:12.39 | MoonTiger | qsettings .... hmmmmmmm |
| 21:12.45 | MoonTiger | ok thnx |
| 21:12.47 | javispedro | MohammadAG: I do not even remember the full name, but, oh the fun we had on it waiting for the n900! ;P |
| 21:12.52 | mece | is daperl on the list btw? |
| 21:12.52 | MoonTiger | its just for account credentials |
| 21:12.57 | MohammadAG | lmfao! |
| 21:13.10 | MohammadAG | MoonTiger, oh, I'd use some encryption library |
| 21:13.18 | MohammadAG | plaintext is umm, bad |
| 21:13.18 | MohammadAG | looks at Sony |
| 21:13.29 | MoonTiger | MohammadAG, yes i will but then i can store the data in qsettings rather than use sqlite maybe |
| 21:13.48 | MoonTiger | but i want to cache data offline and settings doesnt seem good for that |
| 21:13.52 | MoonTiger | maybe a flat file |
| 21:14.03 | MoonTiger | annoying that sqlite is broken |
| 21:14.12 | mece | MoonTiger, how is it broken? |
| 21:14.21 | MohammadAG | QFile and QDir::standardLocation(CacheLocation) ftw |
| 21:14.23 | MohammadAG | or sth like that |
| 21:14.32 | MoonTiger | mece .... a prepared statment in qsqlquery always fails with "parameter count mismatch" |
| 21:15.09 | MohammadAG | sure it's not pebcak? :P |
| 21:15.43 | MoonTiger | pretty sure ... i spent 4hrs trying every possible combination and permutation ... then i just used sprintf for testing and it works |
| 21:16.23 | MoonTiger | and qsqlquery::executedquery returns the string with the placeholders still in it |
| 21:16.32 | MohammadAG | Jaffa, grr, now someone on tmo is suggesting they don't want me to have a device cause of the CSSU, see what you did? :P |
| 21:16.33 | MoonTiger | when the docs say it should have replaced them |
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| 21:16.51 | DocScrutinizer | please do not mess up account credentials on server and their doubtlessly mandatory encryption with the storing of accounts on client side where encryption is a complete nonsense |
| 21:17.14 | MoonTiger | DocScrutinizer, ? |
| 21:17.16 | MohammadAG | MoonTiger, what site is this? |
| 21:17.20 | Jaffa | MohammadAG: Yeah :-( |
| 21:17.22 | MoonTiger | site? |
| 21:17.22 | MohammadAG | most places use OAuth2 or XAuth |
| 21:17.30 | mece | MoonTiger, so this example: http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.7/qsqlquery.html#exec doesn't work? |
| 21:17.33 | MohammadAG | service, site whatever |
| 21:17.58 | MoonTiger | mece, the first example works fine |
| 21:18.13 | MoonTiger | no bound values |
| 21:18.32 | javispedro | MohammadAG: post another trollface picture on that thread so as to put it back on the right path. |
| 21:19.07 | MohammadAG | javispedro, u mad bro? |
| 21:19.12 | MoonTiger | MohammadAG, i am just writing a lil identica client for now |
| 21:20.04 | MohammadAG | MoonTiger, no token system? |
| 21:20.10 | MoonTiger | not for now |
| 21:20.13 | MohammadAG | My laptop's been lagging like shit lately |
| 21:20.20 | MohammadAG | well, IRC on my laptop |
| 21:20.27 | MoonTiger | but even if use oauth for twitter i still need to store the token rather than the credentials |
| 21:20.41 | MohammadAG | storing a token is better than storing credentials |
| 21:20.52 | MohammadAG | the user can deny access that way, rather than changing the pass |
| 21:21.03 | MoonTiger | MohammadAG, yes i know all that .... its the sqlite brokeness im trying to figure out right now |
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| 21:21.58 | MoonTiger | i will encrypt the credentials whatever they are anyways |
| 21:22.43 | MoonTiger | ok well anyways.... i will go file a bug report |
| 21:22.46 | MoonTiger | thnx :) |
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| 21:25.50 | DocScrutinizer | MoonTiger: (encryption) it's nonsense to encrypt anything with a password that's also available on same machine |
| 21:26.13 | MoonTiger | DocScrutinizer, yah i had wondered about that and trying to set up a webservice to use for the encryption |
| 21:26.23 | MoonTiger | then use a token on the client |
| 21:26.25 | MoonTiger | etc etc |
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| 21:26.59 | DocScrutinizer | there's no way to protect user from his passwords/credentials |
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| 21:27.33 | MoonTiger | DocScrutinizer,yah thats where i go to as well |
| 21:27.44 | DocScrutinizer | either store then crypted and make user enter master password, or just forget about all encryption |
| 21:28.05 | MoonTiger | and asking a amster pw everytime is just not realistic |
| 21:28.09 | MoonTiger | mster too |
| 21:28.13 | MoonTiger | master |
| 21:28.50 | DocScrutinizer | so you have to live with passwords stored on your client, and if they are then damn sure better in plain text so user can mange them |
| 21:28.51 | MoonTiger | is the qt source code available anywhere btw? |
| 21:29.04 | MoonTiger | hmmmmmm |
| 21:29.13 | MoonTiger | identica doesnt support oauth yet |
| 21:29.57 | GeneralAntilles | Did anybody start in on cleaning up the wiki? |
| 21:31.33 | DocScrutinizer | ?? |
| 21:31.55 | DocScrutinizer | GeneralAntilles: what particularly? |
| 21:32.11 | GeneralAntilles | Table-ize the accepted list |
| 21:32.13 | GeneralAntilles | I see not, though. |
| 21:32.15 | DocScrutinizer | rm -r /allthewiki? |
| 21:32.24 | DocScrutinizer | aah |
| 21:33.25 | alterego | quim wants it like it is so it's easy to edit. |
| 21:38.48 | Jaffa | X-Fade: lardman|gone: I've added bits about projects & repositories to http://wiki.meego.com/Getting_started_with_OBS after my playing today |
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| 21:43.22 | MohammadAG | alterego, a table would be easier in this case |
| 21:43.25 | Venemo | hiemanshu, hey! I see your name too |
| 21:43.27 | MohammadAG | Name | Project |
| 21:44.22 | Venemo | MohammadAG, please call them and get them to their senses |
| 21:44.31 | Venemo | it is outrageous that you are not on the list. |
| 21:44.52 | MohammadAG | Venemo, I'll wait till tomorrow |
| 21:46.15 | Venemo | thp, Jaffa, alterego, Conny, hiemanshu myself, and anyone who did a thing at Maemo has gotten one... I think that your name should appear in that list right now. especially because of the Community SSU |
| 21:46.22 | Venemo | think about it |
| 21:46.35 | Venemo | who is gonna make a Harmattan community SSU if not MohammadAG? |
| 21:47.14 | Jaffa | Venemo: Please calm down. The MohammadAG-oriented mobbery could end up being counterproductive. |
| 21:47.53 | Jaffa | Not that you're too bad, but I've just read the TMO posts about "Nokia being embarrassed by the success of the CSSU, so they're punishing MAG" |
| 21:47.55 | MohammadAG | Change the subject, I'll wait till tomorrow |
| 21:47.59 | Jaffa | I mean, it's just ridiculous. |
| 21:48.09 | SpeedEvil | Venemo: stskeeps has prior convictions in the area of community OSs. |
| 21:48.14 | Jaffa | MohammadAG: How does the BT aspect of BTM working? |
| 21:48.18 | Jaffa | s/working/work/ |
| 21:48.32 | SpeedEvil | I also noticed some bluez developers on the list |
| 21:48.37 | MohammadAG | anyone know of some good movies? something released in 2011 preferably |
| 21:48.52 | Jaffa | MohammadAG: Is it a new BT profile (a la OBEX, A2DP, ...)? Or does it build on top of an existing one? |
| 21:49.10 | Jaffa | MohammadAG: Tremors. 20 years old, but still great. |
| 21:49.11 | Venemo | Jaffa, I understand and agree with your point of view. but still. |
| 21:49.17 | MoonTiger | if anybody could tell me if they see anything wrong here i would be very grateful: http://pastebin.com/FB4HSxib |
| 21:49.19 | MoonTiger | thnx |
| 21:50.17 | MohammadAG | Jaffa, Qt Mobility, socket servers |
| 21:50.18 | Venemo | MohammadAG, dunno about any good 2011 films yet |
| 21:51.07 | javispedro | rfcomm iirc, MohammadAG Jaffa |
| 21:51.38 | MohammadAG | javispedro, heh, you remember well :p |
| 21:51.56 | javispedro | MohammadAG: I've asked you many times I think and then I was not sure again, hehe. |
| 21:52.11 | MohammadAG | Venemo, The Adjustment Bureau was good |
| 21:52.24 | Venemo | haven't heard about it |
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| 21:53.19 | GeneralAntilles | MohammadAG, Tropic Thunder. |
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| 21:54.16 | GeneralAntilles | "Relaxed, casual, portrait web browser." doesn't sound like anything I want. |
| 21:55.06 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: Could've been worse, they could've thrown "social" in there too |
| 21:55.19 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 21:55.47 | GeneralAntilles | shudders. |
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| 21:58.51 | Venemo | GeneralAntilles, you getting an N950 too? |
| 21:58.57 | GeneralAntilles | Evidently. |
| 21:59.05 | SpeedEvil | Congrats. |
| 21:59.34 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: SnapGo sounds cool. The idea of clock synched post-geolocation is genius. |
| 21:59.46 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, been floating around in my head for a while. |
| 21:59.51 | GeneralAntilles | I've seen it implemented on iOS. |
| 21:59.58 | Venemo | GeneralAntilles, congrats then :) |
| 22:00.19 | GeneralAntilles | Hard part is getting plug-ins put together for all of the big photo managers. |
| 22:00.28 | GeneralAntilles | Hopefully some interested photographers will pitch in there. |
| 22:01.25 | GeneralAntilles | How do you get 2,600 Thanks! and post something like that. . . . |
| 22:01.33 | GeneralAntilles | Talk really has fallen. |
| 22:01.45 | Jaffa | ? |
| 22:01.47 | MohammadAG | Jaffa, just went over the list |
| 22:01.53 | alterego | Hah |
| 22:02.00 | Jaffa | GeneralAnittles: I seem to have missed a jump in the conversation. |
| 22:02.00 | MohammadAG | the CSSU suggestion is actually ridiculous :P |
| 22:02.05 | MohammadAG | most CSSU contributors are on it |
| 22:02.10 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, marxian on the N950 devkit thread. |
| 22:02.19 | GeneralAntilles | The conspiracy theories. |
| 22:02.27 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: Ah |
| 22:02.38 | Jaffa | MohammadAG: No, RST38h told me that you're the only one who's done any work on the CSSU. |
| 22:02.58 | MohammadAG | Let's not start that one again :p |
| 22:03.04 | Jaffa | True. |
| 22:03.14 | Jaffa | MohammadAG: Chosen a film? |
| 22:03.20 | MohammadAG | Remember I spent some time learning gtk and annoying javispedro just to write an applet to give thanks |
| 22:03.26 | MohammadAG | nope, not yet |
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| 22:03.29 | Jaffa | MohammadAG: I suggest not picking "Fallen Down" |
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| 22:03.54 | MohammadAG | anyone seen The Hangover II? |
| 22:04.05 | GeneralAntilles | Thor wasn't unreasonably entertaining. |
| 22:04.08 | GeneralAntilles | MohammadAG, walked out. |
| 22:04.20 | javispedro | _needs_ to watch Rat Race again |
| 22:04.28 | MohammadAG | GeneralAntilles, why? |
| 22:04.46 | GeneralAntilles | MohammadAG, it's awful. |
| 22:04.54 | MohammadAG | not as good as I? |
| 22:04.57 | GeneralAntilles | Mediocre summer-comedy sequel awful. |
| 22:05.21 | GeneralAntilles | Priest was also entertaining. |
| 22:05.33 | GeneralAntilles | If a bit destroyed by the studio when they cut it down. |
| 22:06.02 | Jaffa | beds. |
| 22:06.15 | GeneralAntilles | Ooh, Source Code was fun. |
| 22:06.22 | Jaffa | Yeah, that was alright |
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| 22:06.26 | Jaffa | Quite good |
| 22:06.45 | Jaffa | Very 12 Monkeys, meets Quantum Leap, meets Groundhog Day, meets Moon |
| 22:06.48 | MohammadAG | only thing I hated about it is the train scene being played about 10 times |
| 22:06.54 | GeneralAntilles | Jane Eyre was good, too, though I doubt that's what you're looking for. ;) |
| 22:07.11 | MohammadAG | night Jaffa |
| 22:07.18 | Jaffa | night |
| 22:07.42 | javispedro | gnite Jaffa |
| 22:08.00 | javispedro | Source code was good? |
| 22:08.06 | javispedro | oh well. |
| 22:08.10 | javispedro | (didn't see it) |
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| 22:16.20 | alterego | Meh |
| 22:16.36 | alterego | GeneralAntilles: I'm watching Jane Eyre right now |
| 22:16.45 | alterego | Source was so-so tbh |
| 22:20.44 | MoonTiger | is 4.6.2 the latest version of qt for maemo? |
| 22:21.35 | alterego | We have 4.7 in devel I think |
| 22:21.50 | MohammadAG | 4.7.4 is latest upstream for maemo |
| 22:21.52 | MoonTiger | my qtcreator is building with 4.6.2 |
| 22:22.07 | MohammadAG | update it then |
| 22:22.16 | MoonTiger | how do i do that?? |
| 22:22.31 | MoonTiger | uh goot it |
| 22:22.33 | MohammadAG | Source code has the most irrelevant title ever, but the movie was good |
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| 22:23.32 | MoonTiger | ummmm odd the sdk update tool finds nothing to update |
| 22:23.39 | MoonTiger | but its building with 4.6.2 |
| 22:24.13 | MoonTiger | i have 4.7.3 for desktop |
| 22:24.19 | MoonTiger | how do i get that for maemo? |
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| 22:24.34 | MoonTiger | maybe this damn sqlite bug has been fixed |
| 22:26.15 | alterego | Well, the title is less ambiguous in philosphical terms. But yeah, was a bit oddly named :D |
| 22:27.06 | MohammadAG | alterego, expected tarballs in the movie, got some trains exploding |
| 22:27.10 | MohammadAG | that's not source code! |
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| 22:31.57 | alterego | MohammadAG: I think it references the code that can become life ;) |
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| 22:34.21 | MoonTiger | is it qt libs for embedded linux i need? |
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| 22:35.01 | alterego | mad-admin xdpkg |
| 22:35.05 | alterego | it is your friend. |
| 22:36.12 | divan | MohammadAG, I can't see you in the N950 acceppted list :( Hope it will be updated tomorrow// |
| 22:37.54 | MoonTiger | alterego, how does this help me update to 4.7.3 from 4.6.2? |
| 22:39.56 | MoonTiger | ahhhhhhh |
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| 22:41.11 | iphaRa | hello, i'm tyring to install gcc on my Nokia N900, so i got it from here: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_sdk_free_armel/gcc-4.2/4.2.1-4maemo13+0m5/ |
| 22:41.20 | iphaRa | installed all armel dependancy packages as root with dpkg -i |
| 22:41.37 | iphaRa | however now that i want to see if a simple "hello world" compiles, but after "gcc-4.2 test.c", i get this: |
| 22:41.48 | iphaRa | http://pastebin.com/60168GNj |
| 22:42.13 | iphaRa | how can there be no stdio.h? :( |
| 22:42.16 | SpeedEvil | you want to install build-essentials, not gcc |
| 22:43.07 | iphaRa | ok, let me google that to see what it is |
| 22:43.15 | MohammadAG | stdio.h is in libc6-dev |
| 22:43.28 | iphaRa | ..i've got libc6-dev also installed |
| 22:43.48 | iphaRa | it's part of the gcc package from the link above |
| 22:44.13 | SpeedEvil | Also - it makes more sense to copy / to /home/user/chroot or something - and then chroot into it and install build-essentials in that |
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| 22:45.50 | iphaRa | alright.. http://maemo.org/packages/view/build-essential/ ^_^ |
| 22:46.27 | iphaRa | SpeedEvil: so you're saying, make a separate dir; install it there |
| 22:46.55 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 22:47.06 | SpeedEvil | Otherwise you can easily run out of space on / |
| 22:47.11 | SpeedEvil | which is bad. |
| 22:49.17 | alterego | And the penny drops .. |
| 22:49.37 | alterego | My work here is done. I'll be seeing you tomorrow, g'night. |
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| 23:00.16 | iphaRa | oh fudge, SpeedEvil i just did the mistake you warned me against ... |
| 23:00.55 | iphaRa | i thought that by 'dpkg -i /home/user/MyDocs/deb *armel.deb' will install all in MyDocs/deb |
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| 23:23.57 | iphaRa | / has 75% thogh, probably normal :) |
| 23:30.02 | divan | Is there any platform defines in Qt for WeTab version of Meego? Something similar for Q_WS_MAEMO_5 in Maemo.. |
| 23:34.04 | MohammadAG | no, not until the next update |
| 23:34.54 | MohammadAG | contains(MEEGO_FLAVOR, Harmattan): DEFINES += Q_WS_MAEMO_6 may work |
| 23:36.17 | MohammadAG | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:45.10 | trx | is there a reason why there is no libusb-1.0 in the repos? |
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| 23:45.21 | trx | i see only 0.1 there |
| 23:45.41 | trx | also only 0.1 on my n900 /lib/ |
| 23:48.30 | MohammadAG | night everyone :) |
| 23:52.02 | trx | night |
