| 00:01.57 | Macer | so then it should just kind of sit right back in place huh? |
| 00:01.58 | Macer | awesome |
| 00:02.03 | Macer | i'll try it out once i order a repair kit |
| 00:02.12 | Macer | hopefully i don't buy the tools for no reason |
| 00:05.36 | SpeedEvil | Macer: I'm unsure - I think you need hot air soldering gear to put it back on |
| 00:05.48 | SpeedEvil | I don't think you can do it with a normal iron. |
| 00:06.23 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: USB ports - can they be soldered on with a conventional iron if the pads are OK? |
| 00:08.28 | FIQ|n900 | the USB port on my previous N900 went out :( |
| 00:08.43 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
| 00:09.00 | FIQ|n900 | a year ago though, so i'm fine now |
| 00:09.04 | MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, they can, afaik two users fixed their N900s |
| 00:09.11 | FIQ|n900 | but my charger has started to act weird again |
| 00:09.16 | FIQ|n900 | just like then.. |
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| 00:44.29 | HtheB | o/ |
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| 00:51.59 | the_lord | Hi! anyone here maemo dbus expert??? |
| 00:52.07 | HtheB | not me |
| 00:53.29 | the_lord | I need to prevent a sms to arrive, I already got the sms listening to dbus messages, but I don't know how to prevent the event propagation |
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| 00:56.35 | HtheB | something like a blacklist |
| 00:56.36 | HtheB | ? |
| 00:56.54 | SpeedEvil | I vaguely recall that the camera-switcher app does something similr by remapping dbus somehow |
| 00:57.00 | SpeedEvil | I don't recall the details |
| 00:57.05 | SpeedEvil | maybe something to look into |
| 00:57.27 | Sc0rpius | maybe I'd take a look at the source code of smscon that does commands when specific SMS messages arrive |
| 00:57.47 | the_lord | HtheB: yes |
| 00:57.48 | SpeedEvil | Is smscon open? |
| 00:57.59 | Sc0rpius | well if it's in extras devel it has to be open |
| 00:58.05 | SpeedEvil | oh |
| 00:58.33 | the_lord | let me see smscon |
| 00:58.42 | HtheB | Sc0rpius: who said that? :) |
| 00:59.19 | Sc0rpius | how can you submit a binary package to autobuilder? |
| 00:59.28 | Sc0rpius | you have to submit sources. Autobuilder will generate the binaries for you |
| 00:59.33 | Sc0rpius | http://maemo.org/packages/source/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_source/smscon/0.8.1-3/ |
| 00:59.40 | Sc0rpius | you can download the source there, or using apt-get source smscon |
| 01:00.10 | HtheB | there are 2 categories |
| 01:00.13 | HtheB | free and non-free |
| 01:00.22 | HtheB | closed source is "non-free" |
| 01:00.27 | HtheB | which doesnt need to send the souce |
| 01:00.28 | HtheB | afair |
| 01:00.56 | Sc0rpius | hmmm |
| 01:01.08 | Sc0rpius | you might be right, though I haven't seen the first non free package in extras devel yet |
| 01:01.15 | the_lord | the source is there, and it's python based, win |
| 01:01.24 | Sc0rpius | most of those go directly to the Ovi store |
| 01:02.10 | Sc0rpius | nice the_lord |
| 01:02.54 | Sc0rpius | though the program is kinda usess |
| 01:02.56 | Sc0rpius | useless |
| 01:03.08 | Sc0rpius | the first thing people do when they steal a phone is to take out the SIM card and put a new one |
| 01:03.25 | Sc0rpius | so there must be a software that destroys the phone if it detects a different SIM card :) |
| 01:03.37 | Sc0rpius | or render it unusable |
| 01:04.07 | HtheB | Sc0rpius: how about putting no sim at all =) |
| 01:04.29 | Sc0rpius | yeah that too |
| 01:04.36 | HtheB | xD |
| 01:04.47 | Sc0rpius | the main idea of smscon is that you can send SMS messages when they steal your phone to do actions |
| 01:04.53 | the_lord | Sc0rpius: My carrier sends me a sms delivery message every time I send a SMS |
| 01:05.08 | Sc0rpius | are you sure is the carrier? |
| 01:05.11 | HtheB | the_lord: lol! |
| 01:05.13 | HtheB | xD |
| 01:05.14 | the_lord | Sc0rpius: I want to filter that spam |
| 01:05.15 | Sc0rpius | because that's a setting in the phone |
| 01:05.23 | SpeedEvil | you can turn off delivery confirmation |
| 01:05.28 | the_lord | Sc0rpius: yes, i'm sure, it's deactivated |
| 01:05.31 | Sc0rpius | hmm |
| 01:05.39 | HtheB | Sc0rpius: that will not come up as an sms |
| 01:05.43 | Sc0rpius | that's weird that the carrier has turned on forcedly delivery receipts to all SMS |
| 01:05.44 | HtheB | it will come up as a "notification" |
| 01:05.52 | Sc0rpius | SMS traffic is extremely high already, why would they double it... |
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| 01:06.07 | the_lord | Sc0rpius: I really don't know |
| 01:06.14 | HtheB | the_lord: afaik, there is already such app |
| 01:06.16 | HtheB | for the N900 |
| 01:06.24 | Sc0rpius | it will come up as a notification in the phone, but it's an SMS. |
| 01:06.29 | Sc0rpius | with the delivery receipt flag |
| 01:06.31 | HtheB | blacklist sms |
| 01:06.55 | SpeedEvil | Sc0rpius: conversations ->settings -> delivery reports |
| 01:07.01 | Sc0rpius | the problem is |
| 01:07.14 | SpeedEvil | Untick that |
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| 01:07.31 | Sc0rpius | those delivery receipts come with the receipient number as the "from" address |
| 01:07.41 | merlin1991 | does anybody know where the busybox "logger" logs to? |
| 01:07.43 | Sc0rpius | I'm not sure you can block a specific kind of SMS, but phone numbers in the blacklist |
| 01:07.59 | SpeedEvil | Check to see if the delivery confirmation has become set. |
| 01:08.02 | SpeedEvil | If it has, unset ut |
| 01:08.03 | SpeedEvil | it |
| 01:08.09 | HtheB | the_lord: what carrier do you have? |
| 01:08.16 | HtheB | which* |
| 01:08.31 | Sc0rpius | SpeedEvil, it seems the_lord already checked that |
| 01:08.49 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 01:08.54 | SpeedEvil | the_lord: Did you? |
| 01:09.18 | the_lord | HtheB: Movistar Vzla |
| 01:09.28 | the_lord | it's already turned off |
| 01:09.41 | SpeedEvil | Night |
| 01:09.55 | Sc0rpius | the_lord weird, Movistar doesn't force delivery receipts... |
| 01:10.23 | HtheB | night |
| 01:10.37 | HtheB | the_lord: check the website of your carrier |
| 01:10.44 | HtheB | im sure there is an option to disable it :) |
| 01:10.44 | Sc0rpius | does it happen with every phone number or just with some? |
| 01:10.46 | the_lord | HtheB: that's a bad joke |
| 01:10.54 | Sc0rpius | hehehe |
| 01:10.54 | the_lord | Sc0rpius: every one |
| 01:11.10 | Sc0rpius | really weird. |
| 01:11.16 | HtheB | the_lord: bad joke? |
| 01:11.21 | the_lord | does any of you uses smscon ? |
| 01:11.31 | the_lord | HtheB: 3rd world carrier |
| 01:11.35 | Sc0rpius | and if you put the SIM card in another phone and send a message, you still get the receipts? |
| 01:11.57 | HtheB | the_lord: so?... |
| 01:12.02 | HtheB | I didnt made any joke |
| 01:12.31 | HtheB | just pointing you out to check out if you can disable it by entering some star/hash code or something |
| 01:13.43 | the_lord | HtheB: the joke is you assuming that info is in my carrier's website |
| 01:14.07 | Sc0rpius | hehehe |
| 01:14.14 | HtheB | ...? |
| 01:14.21 | Sc0rpius | well since I'm from Venezuela too I knew what he meant |
| 01:14.42 | HtheB | what is wrong that a simple faq couldnt be on a website? |
| 01:14.43 | Sc0rpius | carriers here doesn't have a website that you can login and do something else than see how much you owe |
| 01:15.07 | HtheB | well, there could be someone on the internetzzz that has the same problem |
| 01:15.19 | HtheB | maybe he found out how he turned it off? :p |
| 01:15.24 | HtheB | I mean, I dont know |
| 01:15.25 | HtheB | xD |
| 01:15.33 | Sc0rpius | the first thing I'd try is to put the SIM in another phone and send a message. |
| 01:15.41 | the_lord | HtheB: that info is not in my carrier's website, and if I call and explain this problem, I will short-circuit the poor guy from support |
| 01:15.44 | Sc0rpius | because I'd still think it's my phone that's weird. |
| 01:15.57 | the_lord | Sc0rpius: let me try that |
| 01:16.49 | HtheB | website looks very flashy if you ask me :p |
| 01:16.56 | HtheB | http://www.movistar.com.ve/particulares/movil/ |
| 01:17.24 | Sc0rpius | it sucks |
| 01:17.37 | Sc0rpius | and it doesn't have the 3G band the N900 uses. |
| 01:17.45 | HtheB | that sux |
| 01:17.49 | HtheB | well, u still have edge |
| 01:18.09 | Sc0rpius | HE |
| 01:18.10 | the_lord | now that we are here, why in the world when I remove my n900 battery, my phone loses date and time info? |
| 01:18.19 | Sc0rpius | because I'm with another provider and my 3G works perfectly :) |
| 01:18.26 | HtheB | the_lord: its normal |
| 01:18.33 | Sc0rpius | that's totally normal |
| 01:18.49 | Sc0rpius | but if you have the automatic network time set when you turn the phone again it'll get the time from your provider |
| 01:19.12 | HtheB | Sc0rpius: does movistar use that function? :p |
| 01:19.18 | the_lord | I don't think it's normal that the phone enters in the first time wizard |
| 01:19.31 | Sc0rpius | very good question HtheB |
| 01:19.43 | HtheB | the_lord: it's not a "wizard" |
| 01:19.54 | Sc0rpius | Digitel supports it though, I have the "Update automatically" setting on and it works |
| 01:20.14 | HtheB | Sc0rpius: T-Mobile doesnt (here in the Netherlands) |
| 01:20.19 | HtheB | Vodafone does though |
| 01:20.29 | HtheB | I have Tmob and the 3G sux ass |
| 01:20.34 | HtheB | >.< |
| 01:20.44 | HtheB | but it's a very known problem |
| 01:20.45 | HtheB | anyway |
| 01:20.48 | HtheB | it's 3.20 already :( |
| 01:21.03 | HtheB | have to work tomorrow .... or... today.... |
| 01:21.05 | HtheB | xD |
| 01:21.19 | the_lord | HtheB: bye, thx for the help |
| 01:22.02 | HtheB | np |
| 01:22.17 | HtheB | did you put the sim in a different phone now? |
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| 01:23.31 | the_lord | HtheB: yes, trying |
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| 01:26.17 | the_lord | Sc0rpius: do you use smscon? I don't see anything here to prevent sms propagation |
| 01:26.50 | the_lord | Sc0rpius: I guess the commands go to the inbox, that's weird |
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| 01:32.10 | the_lord | Sc0rpius: it's the phone |
| 01:32.33 | the_lord | in my gf's N8, if I disable delivery confirmation, it does not arrive |
| 01:32.35 | the_lord | f**k |
| 01:40.10 | Sc0rpius | reboot the phone |
| 01:40.23 | Sc0rpius | and after it reboots, re-check the delivery reports setting |
| 01:40.31 | Sc0rpius | and no, I don't use the smscon |
| 01:41.04 | Sc0rpius | actually if you disabled in the N8, it should appear already disabled in the N900 |
| 01:41.13 | Sc0rpius | because I think that setting is stored in the SIM |
| 01:42.29 | the_lord | Sc0rpius: nothing, I'm doomed |
| 01:43.50 | Sc0rpius | you're still getting them? |
| 01:44.25 | Sc0rpius | well I don't have a Movistar SIM to tell you it happens in my N900 too :( |
| 01:45.49 | the_lord | Sc0rpius: I guess I'll try tomorrow with one of my coworker's sim |
| 01:46.10 | Sc0rpius | that will work too but a better test would find another N900 and put your SIM on it |
| 01:46.44 | Sc0rpius | and your gf's SIM in your phone? |
| 01:49.14 | the_lord | I'm testing it |
| 01:49.32 | the_lord | but I'm guessing my phone does not send the appropiate code to movistar |
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| 01:54.33 | Sc0rpius | you haven't installed any other SMS related software to your phone have you? |
| 01:58.00 | MohammadAG | what's wrong? |
| 01:58.54 | Sc0rpius | the_lord receives delivery receipts when he sends SMS even though he has that option disabled |
| 02:00.22 | MohammadAG | maybe the operator is to blame? |
| 02:00.35 | MohammadAG | also, what's wrong with them? they're just one line :P |
| 02:01.33 | Sc0rpius | he tried his SIM in another phone and doesn't happen |
| 02:01.47 | Sc0rpius | it gets annoying |
| 02:01.54 | Sc0rpius | in this country, nobody calls, everybody texts |
| 02:01.58 | the_lord | Sc0rpius: smscon passes the sms to the inbox |
| 02:02.07 | Sc0rpius | oh :( |
| 02:02.18 | the_lord | Sc0rpius: there's got to be a way |
| 02:02.28 | the_lord | I'm halfway through :P |
| 02:04.38 | Sc0rpius | there's a Messageblocker but all it does is stop notifications, but messages also go to the inbox |
| 02:04.44 | Sc0rpius | http://maemo.org/packages/view/messageblocker/ |
| 02:05.28 | MohammadAG | he wants messages blocked? |
| 02:05.40 | Sc0rpius | the delivery reports yes |
| 02:05.58 | Sc0rpius | but that's so weird... I'm pretty sure it won't happen to me if I have a SIM of his carrier |
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| 02:06.20 | MohammadAG | maybe the gconf file's corrupt? |
| 02:06.22 | Sc0rpius | but I don't know anybody with a Movistar SIM, it's not very popular where I live hehehe |
| 02:06.31 | MohammadAG | anyway, off to bed :P |
| 02:07.33 | Sc0rpius | hmmm |
| 02:07.34 | the_lord | MohammadAG: what gconf? |
| 02:07.38 | Sc0rpius | let's check that |
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| 02:11.04 | the_lord | Sc0rpius: /apps/osso/rtcom-messaging-ui -> enable_delivery_reports = false |
| 02:11.20 | Sc0rpius | hmm |
| 02:11.24 | Sc0rpius | weird. |
| 02:15.16 | the_lord | Sc0rpius: it's time for #dbus |
| 02:15.22 | Sc0rpius | well first I'd try to send a manual SMS |
| 02:15.24 | Sc0rpius | without using conversations |
| 02:15.28 | Sc0rpius | http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#Send_SMS |
| 02:15.51 | Sc0rpius | the second example I guess |
| 02:15.51 | the_lord | Sc0rpius: done that |
| 02:16.29 | the_lord | Sc0rpius: you mean send it to check for the confirmation message? |
| 02:16.39 | Sc0rpius | yeah using AT commands directly in the phone's modem |
| 02:16.47 | Sc0rpius | and see if the confirmation message occurs |
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| 02:58.42 | wblaze | heh |
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| 06:43.30 | Corsac | MohammadAG: hmhm, was your media player ever uploaded to extras? |
| 06:44.56 | mece | \o |
| 06:45.01 | mece | Corsac, it's in devel afaik |
| 06:47.03 | mece | Corsac, no wait it's not. |
| 06:47.13 | mece | Corsac, http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=988477&postcount=1 |
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| 07:29.52 | Termana | good morning |
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| 07:33.01 | cloudyLights | mornng |
| 07:33.50 | RST38h | mourning |
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| 07:35.13 | cloudyLights | now that I submitted my project to garage, how in here need I talk to |
| 07:35.18 | cloudyLights | in order to puch it in |
| 07:35.24 | cloudyLights | s/puch/push/ |
| 07:40.25 | RST38h | OMFG, finally, a *worthy* Slashdot comment: http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2272328&cid=36581172 |
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| 07:40.31 | RST38h | cannot believe his own eyes |
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| 07:42.00 | cloudyLights | nice |
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| 08:02.33 | DocScrutinizer | cloudyLights: push it? |
| 08:03.07 | cloudyLights | hi Doc, I used the name you gave |
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| 08:03.56 | cloudyLights | I am now waiting for "someone" to approve my garage request for profile-appointment |
| 08:04.17 | cloudyLights | then I can apply to extras-devel |
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| 08:05.07 | DocScrutinizer | X-Fade is doing this |
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| 08:43.10 | mva | uhm |
| 08:43.35 | mva | is it possible to change gpg key on garage, if any? :) |
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| 08:45.00 | X-Fade | mva: Yes, on your account page. |
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| 08:45.53 | mva | >_<' i see only ssh there ;( |
| 08:47.22 | X-Fade | mva: Ah yeah, I can only be set on accept. Shall I send you a new invitation then? |
| 08:48.21 | cloudyLights | X-Fade: hi dud |
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| 08:48.28 | cloudyLights | or maybe a chick? |
| 08:48.48 | cloudyLights | anyway , hi there |
| 08:49.23 | mva | nah ;) I just want to know, if it is normal, if i write "0xBEBD2115" in the field, or i need to "gpg --export -a 0xBEDB2115" and paste output there? :) |
| 08:49.39 | X-Fade | mva: the latter. |
| 08:50.01 | mva | >_<' can you resend invite then? :) |
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| 08:50.08 | X-Fade | mva: Sure. |
| 08:50.31 | mva | thx |
| 08:50.42 | MohammadAG | X-Fade, any updates on Harmattan repos? :) |
| 08:51.01 | cloudyLights | are they changing? |
| 08:51.11 | X-Fade | MohammadAG: Currently working on the Harmattan OBS build target. |
| 08:51.48 | X-Fade | MohammadAG: Some, build issues I need to figure out. |
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| 08:54.27 | MohammadAG | need to get used to OBS then :) |
| 08:54.38 | MohammadAG | Jaffa, ping |
| 08:54.51 | X-Fade | MohammadAG: Yep, that might be a good idea. |
| 08:56.29 | cloudyLights | What is OBS? |
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| 08:58.23 | mva | btw, can anybody confirm this bug with DrLaunch https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12292 ? ;) |
| 08:58.24 | povbot | 04Bug 12292: Crashing on changes in icons grid. |
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| 09:16.48 | djszapi | How can I flash the device nowadays ? |
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| 09:18.07 | ruskie | wait for more than 15 seconds? |
| 09:18.17 | SpeedEvil | I was about to say that! |
| 09:20.06 | hiemanshu | you flash devices? I thought you only flash people who would appreciate the value |
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| 09:21.42 | Jaffa | MohammadAG: pong |
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| 09:22.16 | crashanddie | Sup #maemo? |
| 09:23.33 | crashanddie | woah, that much? |
| 09:23.38 | SpeedEvil | yes. |
| 09:23.38 | crashanddie | Hold your horses! |
| 09:24.07 | SpeedEvil | holds his goldfish instead. |
| 09:31.38 | lardman | morning |
| 09:32.56 | SpeedEvil | Morning. |
| 09:33.12 | DocScrutinizer | morning |
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| 09:35.55 | lardman | is feeling internet withdrawl symptoms |
| 09:37.20 | SpeedEvil | That's not fun! |
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| 09:38.52 | BCMM | lardman: i hate to break this to you, but you may be on IRC right now |
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| 09:39.05 | lardman | BCMM: ;) |
| 09:39.16 | lardman | BCMM: but internet at work only is not fun |
| 09:39.28 | khertan | Morning |
| 09:39.30 | crashanddie | lardman, fukung.net |
| 09:39.34 | lardman | morning khertan |
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| 09:39.52 | lardman | wonders if that is work safe..... |
| 09:39.54 | BCMM | how complicated is it to debug an application on-device? |
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| 09:40.21 | BCMM | (i'm getting frustrated with a hildon-desktop crash) |
| 09:40.41 | SpeedEvil | gdb? |
| 09:43.46 | BCMM | SpeedEvil: i mean, do binaries already have symbols and so on, or would i have to build a debugging copy? |
| 09:44.35 | SpeedEvil | Most binaries don't have symbols |
| 09:45.07 | SpeedEvil | A seperate repository with builds built with the debug flag would be cool. |
| 09:45.38 | crashanddie | That's why RPM is awesome... |
| 09:45.41 | crashanddie | -debuginfo packages. |
| 09:46.01 | crashanddie | The RPM build process automagically strips the binaries, and puts the .debug files in a separate package |
| 09:46.15 | crashanddie | That way, because your application was compiled with -g, it creates a coredump |
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| 09:46.49 | crashanddie | you install the -debuginfo package, and fire up dbg on the binary -- it finds the debug symbols, source code (for that specific build), and you can work on the coredump. |
| 09:46.50 | MohammadAG | Jaffa, got the SDK handy? |
| 09:47.16 | crashanddie | hi MohammadAG |
| 09:47.23 | MohammadAG | heya crashanddie |
| 09:48.18 | Venemo | crashanddie :) |
| 09:48.29 | crashanddie | hey Venemo |
| 09:48.35 | Venemo | hey |
| 09:48.41 | Venemo | I agree with your enthusiasm about RPM |
| 09:48.53 | khertan | lol |
| 09:49.02 | khertan | rpm is a real pain ... |
| 09:49.06 | khertan | on meego |
| 09:49.11 | BCMM | hmm. i'd need to manually started h-d so i could start it through GDB. how can i kill it without it respawning? |
| 09:49.17 | khertan | zypper have always problem |
| 09:49.31 | Termana | Oh shite, head for cover its about to be an all out rpm/deb war boys. |
| 09:49.38 | khertan | :) |
| 09:49.59 | khertan | Termana: the problem isn't the package ... but the implementation ... |
| 09:50.11 | khertan | (this sentence is true for so many things) |
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| 09:50.35 | Termana | That's what she said |
| 09:51.41 | MohammadAG | Jaffa, can you confirm http://www.developer.nokia.com/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=197 ? |
| 09:51.42 | povbot | 04Bug 197: kernel builds, but device keeps rebooting |
| 09:51.43 | Venemo | khertan, I'm not sure about MeeGo specifics, but RPM in general is very nice |
| 09:51.57 | crashanddie | the fuck, since when is colour allowed? |
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| 09:52.13 | MohammadAG | since DocScrutinizer removed +c |
| 09:52.17 | nid0 | few days ago |
| 09:52.25 | MohammadAG | 4you got a problem with it? huh? huh?! :P |
| 09:52.25 | DocScrutinizer | eh? |
| 09:52.30 | jaska | yay for color filtering on clientside |
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| 09:52.44 | DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: you don't like it? |
| 09:52.47 | lardman | MohammadAG: sounds not too pleasant |
| 09:52.50 | hiemanshu | 14You got a problem with me? :P |
| 09:53.19 | Termana | Anyone have a rough estimate how much the total size of the Harmattan SDK is to download? |
| 09:53.40 | hiemanshu | Termana: scratchbox or qemu? |
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| 09:53.48 | MohammadAG | let's see |
| 09:53.55 | MohammadAG | 600MB X86 rootfs |
| 09:53.56 | Termana | hiemanshu, scratchbox I suppose |
| 09:53.59 | crashanddie | DocScrutinizer, not really. |
| 09:54.03 | MohammadAG | 600MB armel rootfs |
| 09:54.05 | hiemanshu | Termana: about 1.4G something |
| 09:54.12 | DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: I removed +c to see how it works out. If there are any problems, feel free to revert to +c any time |
| 09:54.13 | MohammadAG | 400MB scratchbox packages |
| 09:54.19 | crashanddie | DocScrutinizer, otherwise people start abusing it constantly. |
| 09:54.25 | Termana | Well that really sucks |
| 09:54.34 | DocScrutinizer | I'll start kicking thos epeople constantly |
| 09:54.39 | crashanddie | DocScrutinizer, sure, no problem. |
| 09:54.55 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: you will? |
| 09:54.58 | hiemanshu | :/ |
| 09:55.02 | crashanddie | also, colours really reminds me of mid-90s IRC noobs trying to appear cool. |
| 09:55.23 | hiemanshu | Termana: roughtly 1.8-2G, and qemu is around 1G |
| 09:55.24 | DocScrutinizer | +c is enabled since weeks now, no issues so far |
| 09:55.25 | crashanddie | fuck me, I can't believe I just said something about something that used to happen 15 years ago. |
| 09:55.35 | MohammadAG | now where's my rainbow script :P |
| 09:55.47 | SpeedEvil | crashanddie: Silly isn't it. |
| 09:56.00 | crashanddie | test |
| 09:56.33 | SpeedEvil | is quite happy pidgin doesn't do that sort of silliness. |
| 09:56.36 | crashanddie | 9,8OH HAI GUYS |
| 09:56.47 | nid0 | claws his eyeballs out |
| 09:56.55 | MohammadAG | CTRL+As |
| 09:57.19 | hiemanshu | /clear |
| 09:57.26 | DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: isn't it funny that you are the FIRST user abusing this feature ? :-P |
| 09:57.27 | Termana | crashanddie, HAI CHRISANDDYE I CUN CEE THAT PERURTLY |
| 09:57.50 | crashanddie | Termana, was there colour in that? |
| 09:57.55 | nid0 | tbh, he's second after povbot occasionally flooding my screen with red |
| 09:58.02 | Termana | crashanddie, yes |
| 09:58.07 | Termana | I have 20:20 vision |
| 09:58.14 | Termana | lol |
| 09:58.19 | crashanddie | Termana, when you highlight me, xchat paints it red |
| 09:58.27 | crashanddie | Termana, so the colours are ignored, apparently. |
| 09:58.30 | robbiethe1st | So, guys, I've got a bit of an odd question: I got my first voicemail, a good 10 months after I got this phone.,... How do I listen to it? |
| 09:58.37 | Termana | crashanddie, oh you meant in mine |
| 09:58.41 | Termana | crashanddie, no, none |
| 09:58.41 | MohammadAG | *151 usually |
| 09:58.47 | crashanddie | ok |
| 09:58.53 | crashanddie | robbiethe1st, that really depends on your network operator |
| 09:58.53 | nid0 | robbiethe1st: dial the number your operator provides for voicemail |
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| 09:59.17 | robbiethe1st | oh, ok. so there's no auto-dial button? |
| 09:59.26 | crashanddie | usually it's by holding the 1 key |
| 09:59.28 | crashanddie | on regular phones |
| 09:59.30 | Jaffa | MohammadAG: I have the Qt SDK on this Windows box, yes. Won't be able to play with it until lunch tho |
| 09:59.39 | robbiethe1st | Well, nokia n900... |
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| 09:59.43 | robbiethe1st | should have said that |
| 10:00.01 | SpeedEvil | robbiethe1st: It will usually add the contacts from the SIM to contacts. |
| 10:00.09 | SpeedEvil | you can then find the one labelled voicemail |
| 10:00.16 | crashanddie | robbiethe1st, just hold the 1 key |
| 10:00.21 | crashanddie | robbiethe1st, when dialing. |
| 10:00.27 | MohammadAG | Jaffa, SB SDK |
| 10:00.48 | robbiethe1st | ok |
| 10:01.38 | robbiethe1st | What surprised me was that you couldn't click on the "1 voicemail" icon to have it auto-dial |
| 10:01.52 | crashanddie | did that work? |
| 10:02.19 | robbiethe1st | tapping? no. Haven't tried the 1 trick yet |
| 10:02.27 | crashanddie | not tapping, holding it. |
| 10:02.37 | DocScrutinizer | yep, works |
| 10:02.40 | robbiethe1st | No cellphone access here. |
| 10:02.56 | crashanddie | actually, holding 1 only work if your simcard provides the voicemail number |
| 10:03.05 | crashanddie | s/work/works/ |
| 10:03.08 | robbiethe1st | Ok, so that will work |
| 10:03.20 | DocScrutinizer | mine doesn't as I have changed it to something else ;-P |
| 10:03.27 | DocScrutinizer | I don't like that feature |
| 10:03.40 | crashanddie | if your simcard doesn't, you can edit the number it's supposed to dial from the contacts menu or something |
| 10:03.43 | crashanddie | google it |
| 10:03.53 | DocScrutinizer | so I changed it to *103# which will pop up my balance USSD |
| 10:03.57 | robbiethe1st | Hm... how do you access your voicemail externally? Like, from another phone? |
| 10:04.15 | crashanddie | call your own number, get to voicemail, hit * or #, then type your voicemail code. |
| 10:04.15 | Termana | DocScrutinizer wouldn't use voicemail |
| 10:04.23 | robbiethe1st | Ok |
| 10:04.30 | cloudyLights | khertan: hi there |
| 10:05.07 | DocScrutinizer | there's also a dedicated number usually, like <your-network>55<your-number> |
| 10:05.44 | cloudyLights | khertan: I used the dependencies in openvpn-applet and got my package working |
| 10:06.14 | MohammadAG | *151 always works for me |
| 10:06.15 | cloudyLights | submitted to garage |
| 10:06.22 | robbiethe1st | so, for t-mobile, that'd be? |
| 10:06.40 | MohammadAG | the long version is 00972544151000 (at least in IL) |
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| 10:06.53 | cloudyLights | where is that chap that said he got the cellular tower info using ofnofo |
| 10:07.09 | MohammadAG | jonwil |
| 10:07.37 | jonwil | hi |
| 10:07.41 | cloudyLights | hi there |
| 10:07.58 | cloudyLights | well, I saw you wrote some lines here yesterday |
| 10:08.03 | cloudyLights | so: did it work? |
| 10:08.11 | jonwil | What I have is some code that runs on a N900 with fully updated Fremantle build |
| 10:08.17 | cloudyLights | how often do you change towers? |
| 10:08.33 | jonwil | The dumper/logger worked |
| 10:08.43 | DocScrutinizer | jonwil: hi :-) |
| 10:08.49 | cloudyLights | and ofneo - right , that stack to "talk" to the gsm |
| 10:08.50 | jonwil | I have a nice fat list of all the incoming Cell Broadcast messages that came in whilst I was out |
| 10:08.57 | SpeedEvil | jonwil: :) |
| 10:09.02 | jonwil | I am not using ofono |
| 10:09.08 | DocScrutinizer | cloudyLights: was it you that's been interested in a python SMSCB logger? |
| 10:09.17 | MohammadAG | funny how it's a 3 byte patch |
| 10:09.18 | cloudyLights | yes, its me |
| 10:09.18 | jonwil | I am just using a few ofono cell broadcast SMS decode functions |
| 10:09.20 | MohammadAG | wonder how much time that would've taken nokia to fix |
| 10:09.47 | jonwil | wishes he had headers for libconnui and libconnui-cellular :P |
| 10:09.50 | cloudyLights | so, is ofneo - still alive? |
| 10:10.08 | cloudyLights | can now ppl write program to "talk" with the cellular network? |
| 10:10.16 | DocScrutinizer | cloudyLights: http://paste.debian.net/121054/ good enough? |
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| 10:10.55 | cloudyLights | sweet! |
| 10:10.56 | jonwil | wishes he could find a way to detect the 4 events he wants to detect |
| 10:10.59 | SpeedEvil | Where's the patcher script? |
| 10:11.10 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: doesn't work |
| 10:11.31 | cloudyLights | as I got 10 min b4 my next meeting... |
| 10:11.39 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: jonwil will or already has piblished a binary written is c |
| 10:11.43 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 10:11.53 | jonwil | Already published it on the mailing list earlier |
| 10:11.56 | jonwil | its just a simple .c file |
| 10:12.09 | cloudyLights | can I help in writing a deamon to handle these cell tower change events? |
| 10:12.16 | Venemo | crashanddie, ping |
| 10:12.18 | DocScrutinizer | I'll join it into my flawed script, as that script does nice backup, testing, log etc |
| 10:12.57 | cloudyLights | jonwil: so you get broadcast mgs from two towers , when in one place? |
| 10:13.10 | SpeedEvil | jonwil: Ah - don't have SB setup |
| 10:13.25 | cloudyLights | and when you move under 20 km/hour - how often do these tower change? |
| 10:13.38 | jonwil | I cant give any info on how often the towers change |
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| 10:13.46 | jonwil | since that depends on the cell network in your area |
| 10:13.52 | jonwil | and exactly where the towers are |
| 10:13.55 | jonwil | :) |
| 10:13.57 | cloudyLights | I mean: how can I tell when I am near my bus station? I may have three diffrent towers there... |
| 10:13.58 | SpeedEvil | cloudyLights: Depends. you can change tower every 100m. |
| 10:14.07 | SpeedEvil | cloudyLights: Or every 30km |
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| 10:14.40 | jonwil | I need a way to detect a change between 2G and 3G, a way to detect a disconnection (e.g. goes out of range of the tower), a change of operator (i.e. roaming to a different operator) and a switch into or out of airplane mode (i.e. any switch to a mode that shuts off the cell modem) |
| 10:14.49 | cloudyLights | let me ask this: can I use tower msgs to know I need to get off the bus ? |
| 10:15.01 | jonwil | Doubt it |
| 10:15.04 | jonwil | Not reliable enough |
| 10:15.15 | jonwil | and also your network may not even send Cell Broadcast SMS messages |
| 10:15.31 | jonwil | Only way to be sure is GPS |
| 10:15.47 | Venemo | jonwil, I bet there are some D-Bus signals |
| 10:15.55 | cloudyLights | ut then I need to turn it off |
| 10:16.01 | cloudyLights | and on |
| 10:16.06 | DocScrutinizer | cloudyLights: smscb is NOT the way for any location awareness, as any such tower name smscb are sent rather infrequently |
| 10:16.08 | SpeedEvil | jonwil: 'gsmmon' |
| 10:16.12 | SpeedEvil | jonwil: package |
| 10:16.54 | cloudyLights | DocScrutinizer: where can I see smscb.py - to try it out? |
| 10:16.56 | SpeedEvil | cloudyLights: you can read tower details without it. |
| 10:17.08 | DocScrutinizer | hehe, on my home, for now :-P |
| 10:17.14 | DocScrutinizer | mompls |
| 10:17.17 | SpeedEvil | cloudyLights: number I mean |
| 10:17.22 | jonwil | where can I find this gsmmon package? |
| 10:17.23 | cloudyLights | how? |
| 10:17.53 | jonwil | I cant find anything for N900 with google |
| 10:17.56 | SpeedEvil | cloudyLights: see http://maemo.org/packages/view/netmon/ |
| 10:17.56 | jonwil | only for symbian |
| 10:17.57 | SpeedEvil | oops |
| 10:18.00 | SpeedEvil | netmon |
| 10:18.02 | cloudyLights | google "how to get cellid all available phone towers" |
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| 10:18.23 | cloudyLights | thnaks , let me see |
| 10:18.31 | DocScrutinizer | cloudyLights: to use GSM for location purposes, you want to check for CellID parameter, as found e.g. in netmon app |
| 10:18.43 | DocScrutinizer | it's instantly |
| 10:18.45 | cloudyLights | ok, thnaks |
| 10:19.29 | cloudyLights | X-fade: in case you need me about the application I ask to put on garage - I am here |
| 10:19.50 | cloudyLights | is this application usefull? when to get off bus? |
| 10:20.07 | SpeedEvil | cloudyLights: sure! |
| 10:20.19 | cloudyLights | ok, so I need to write it |
| 10:20.28 | cloudyLights | seems simple enoutgh |
| 10:20.32 | cloudyLights | enougth |
| 10:22.38 | DocScrutinizer | cloudyLights: if you're interested in GSM-based location: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2008-June/002987.html |
| 10:22.49 | cloudyLights | thnaks |
| 10:22.54 | cloudyLights | was just about to ask |
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| 10:24.00 | Hurrian | cloudyLights : apple-style GPS positioning time? |
| 10:24.23 | Hurrian | that's be great, given the terrible no-AGPS lock times are |
| 10:25.33 | cloudyLights | X-Fade: thanks |
| 10:25.53 | jonwil | netmon looks good except that I cant read python :P |
| 10:26.13 | SpeedEvil | strace to see what it does |
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| 10:30.23 | crashanddie | Venemo, pong |
| 10:31.14 | Venemo | crashanddie, if I create a file called '.gitignore' in the main directory of my git repo, will it have effects on all subdirectories? |
| 10:31.24 | crashanddie | yes |
| 10:31.43 | Venemo | thanks :) |
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| 10:31.58 | Venemo | can I / should I also commit this file into the repo? |
| 10:32.15 | crashanddie | yes |
| 10:32.21 | Venemo | okay, thx |
| 10:33.03 | crashanddie | I believe .gitignore was a stupid idea, .gitallow would have been a lot more interesting |
| 10:33.28 | Venemo | why? :P |
| 10:33.49 | crashanddie | because you *never* think of all the garbage files that your compilation/editors/os create |
| 10:34.01 | crashanddie | it's a lot easier to think of all the source files |
| 10:34.32 | MohammadAG | my GPS gets a lock in 5s |
| 10:35.33 | Hurrian | MohammadAG , with no AGPS? |
| 10:35.48 | crashanddie | If I had to write a rule to select all the source files of my main project? .*\.[sql|C|c|cpp|h|xml|idl], done. |
| 10:36.10 | MohammadAG | Hurrian, that's kinda impossible, even for apple :p |
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| 10:49.19 | otwieracz | jrayhawk: ping |
| 10:50.06 | jrayhawk | hello! |
| 10:50.22 | otwieracz | jrayhawk: you have any idea how to get ctrl+c working? |
| 10:51.13 | otwieracz | In xev ctrl is recognized as âCtrl_Lâ and C is known as âcâ. |
| 10:51.23 | otwieracz | But Ctrl+C gives only C. |
| 10:51.23 | jrayhawk | ctrl-c is interpreted by the tty driver; I think you can edit /etc/inittab and start a getty on /dev/tty1 |
| 10:51.30 | jrayhawk | Oh, in X? |
| 10:51.37 | otwieracz | Yes. |
| 10:51.46 | HRH_H_Crab | i have a slightly odd problem. All my audio files seem to be using an icon cached from somewhere. does anyone know how i can reset that behaviour? |
| 10:51.50 | Hurrian | MohammadAG : http://goput.it/str/7ak.png |
| 10:51.50 | jrayhawk | Hmm. Let me look at my xmodmap settings... |
| 10:52.01 | DocScrutinizer | cloudyLights: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/local/bin/smscb.py |
| 10:52.16 | MohammadAG | Hurrian, I'd rather not have storage info on my lock screen |
| 10:52.20 | Hurrian | i'm not a fan of ricing out my desktop, but it's useful for me, especially when maemo misbehaves |
| 10:52.31 | Hurrian | and i might get rid of emmc and usd data |
| 10:52.37 | MohammadAG | it requires checking space every now and then |
| 10:52.42 | otwieracz | I loaded /usr/share/n810-slide-blabla/Xmodmap with xmodmap already. |
| 10:52.52 | Hurrian | i mean, its not like i generate gb's of data and have to watch that carefully |
| 10:53.27 | jrayhawk | Yeah, mine's a little different. |
| 10:53.35 | otwieracz | jrayhawk: Alt_L combinations work well. |
| 10:56.15 | otwieracz | jrayhawk: uhm, I mean âControl_Lâ instead of âCtrl_Lâ. |
| 10:57.22 | DocScrutinizer | the _L (and _R) parts are meaningless for kbds that don't have two keys of one kind |
| 10:57.28 | Jaffa | MohammadAG: No, not got the SB SDK. No disk space at home yet, and on Windows at work |
| 10:57.37 | Jaffa | MohammadAG: Your bug report mentions Qt SDK, not Platform SDK tho' ;-) |
| 10:57.37 | jrayhawk | http://www.omgwallhack.org/home/jrayhawk/maemo/xmodmap.diff |
| 10:59.22 | jrayhawk | I can't for the life of me remember why any of those changes matter, but whatever. |
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| 11:00.56 | jonwil | ok now that I have the log I need, I can go back and reverse engineer libconnui and libconnui-cellular to see just what it talks to/does |
| 11:00.59 | jonwil | e.g. dbus calls |
| 11:01.01 | jonwil | and other things |
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| 11:01.14 | otwieracz | jrayhawk: nothing happens⦠|
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| 11:01.39 | otwieracz | Now it's Control_R |
| 11:02.03 | otwieracz | But, xmodmap -pm tells: |
| 11:02.17 | otwieracz | control Control_L (0x25), BadKey (0x6d) |
| 11:02.40 | jrayhawk | Yeah, that should be control Control_L (0x25), BadKey (0x6d), Control_R (0x69) |
| 11:02.48 | otwieracz | How to modify this? |
| 11:03.02 | jrayhawk | add control = Control_R, I thought. |
| 11:03.15 | otwieracz | How? |
| 11:03.18 | otwieracz | Where? |
| 11:03.39 | otwieracz | Ah, -e. |
| 11:04.01 | otwieracz | Hell yeah! |
| 11:04.20 | jrayhawk | success? |
| 11:04.25 | otwieracz | These changes will be restored after reboot? |
| 11:04.27 | otwieracz | yes, now it works. |
| 11:04.33 | jrayhawk | huzzah |
| 11:04.47 | jrayhawk | No, you'll want to stick them in an xmodmap file and load that xmodmap file in your xsession |
| 11:05.02 | jrayhawk | http://www.omgwallhack.org/home/jrayhawk/maemo/.xmodmap |
| 11:05.12 | jrayhawk | http://www.omgwallhack.org/home/jrayhawk/maemo/.xsession |
| 11:05.27 | jrayhawk | (you'll presumably want to modify that xsession to run some other window manager) |
| 11:05.47 | otwieracz | Ok. |
| 11:07.12 | jrayhawk | (And/or get rid of the rxvt; I just keep that around in case I screw up my window manager somehow) |
| 11:08.26 | otwieracz | Btw, what with battery usage? |
| 11:08.48 | jrayhawk | It's pretty bad; the mer project was the attempt to fix that. |
| 11:09.00 | otwieracz | Oh. |
| 11:09.10 | jrayhawk | I assume with very careful selection of your window manager and applications, you can make it somewhat less bad. |
| 11:10.07 | jrayhawk | huh, i wonder if powertop work |
| 11:10.10 | jrayhawk | s |
| 11:12.46 | jrayhawk | ah, damn, it doesn't |
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| 11:13.34 | jrayhawk | if you recompile the kernel with CONFIG_TIMER_STATS you can much more aggressively track down poorly behaving programs. |
| 11:15.35 | otwieracz | How to check battery level? |
| 11:17.24 | jrayhawk | That's dealt with in Maemo's HAL; most battery applets can work with it. |
| 11:18.10 | jrayhawk | I don't remember how to query HAL from the commandline |
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| 11:18.37 | jrayhawk | ah, lshal |
| 11:19.06 | jrayhawk | lshal -u /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/bme |
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| 11:19.58 | otwieracz | charge_level.precentage? |
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| 11:20.53 | jrayhawk | battery.reporting.current, battery.reporting.design, and battery.reporting.last_full are typically what percentages are calculated off of. |
| 11:21.33 | MohammadAG | jrayhawk, powertop works fine |
| 11:22.03 | jrayhawk | This is on 2.6.21-omap1 |
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| 11:33.33 | otwieracz | jrayhawk: dwm will be really cool only if statusbar will be on left, not on top⦠|
| 11:33.53 | jrayhawk | I've seen people do that with gnome-panel. |
| 11:34.18 | otwieracz | gnome-panel is gnooooooome. |
| 11:34.24 | _berto_ | hey, what's the max micro-sd size supported by the N900? |
| 11:34.28 | _berto_ | 16G? |
| 11:34.42 | jrayhawk | Yeah, I haven't really seen anything else fill its roll, though. |
| 11:34.50 | jrayhawk | role |
| 11:35.04 | mece | _berto_, whatever existed when it was released. 16 I think it was. Doesn't mean 32gb wont work tho.. |
| 11:35.13 | _berto_ | mece: ok, thx |
| 11:36.27 | jrayhawk | I should see how long it takes to bootstrap modern GHC on this sucker. |
| 11:37.51 | Venemo | achipa, ping |
| 11:39.22 | mece | Hurrian, ping |
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| 11:40.28 | Jaffa | Bah. WANT. NEW. TOY. |
| 11:41.11 | mece | Jaffa, oh, No N9/50 yet? |
| 11:41.25 | Venemo | Jaffa ++ |
| 11:41.41 | Venemo | Jaffa, have you applied to the dev device program? |
| 11:43.00 | Jaffa | Venemo: Of course |
| 11:43.12 | Jaffa | An actual N950 will speed up dev somewhat |
| 11:44.05 | mece | didn't luovanto tweet you that he was "going to arrange that" asap? |
| 11:44.26 | mece | s/didn't/Jaffa, didn't/ |
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| 11:44.41 | Corsac | hmnhn do the n9{,50} have magnetometer? |
| 11:44.46 | mece | yes |
| 11:45.09 | Choom | gladly so |
| 11:45.09 | mece | the n950 has a slightly mores sensitive magnetometer than the N9, the specs say :) |
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| 11:45.25 | Choom | I'll finally realize my dream of implementing virtual reality on a phone |
| 11:46.01 | Venemo | Jaffa, out of curiousity, what project have you listed in the application form? |
| 11:46.16 | Jaffa | mece: He did. "S" isn't "S" enough for me, though :-) |
| 11:46.42 | Hurrian | mece , pong |
| 11:47.05 | Hurrian | _berto_, using a 32GB uSD right now with my N900 |
| 11:47.12 | Hurrian | brb |
| 11:47.30 | Jaffa | Venemo: Hermes, Attitude, vim, Catorise, community assistance |
| 11:47.50 | cloudyLights | ~seen lardman |
| 11:47.55 | infobot | lardman is currently on #maemo #meego. Has said a total of 32 messages. Is idling for 32m 20s, last said: 'lcuk: only with dedicated hw scanners'. |
| 11:48.01 | Venemo | Jaffa, that's a lot! :) |
| 11:48.11 | Jaffa | Having a cross-platform Hermes would be useful, since my wife's now got a C7 |
| 11:48.23 | lcuk | Venemo, jaffa has attitude, one of the first community tested n9 apps |
| 11:48.36 | Jaffa | And one of the first community tested N900 apps :-) |
| 11:48.39 | Jaffa | It's a tradition |
| 11:48.43 | Jaffa | (now) |
| 11:48.46 | mece | haha |
| 11:48.51 | lcuk | if your app hasn't been tested then, ask yourself why havent you got the sdk and offered something ;) |
| 11:49.21 | Venemo | lcuk :) |
| 11:49.23 | lcuk | Jaffa, is the c7 caacitive or resistive? |
| 11:49.28 | lcuk | p |
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| 11:49.35 | Jaffa | Cap. |
| 11:49.40 | lcuk | the c5 is resistive thankfully |
| 11:49.42 | Venemo | lcuk, C7 along with other symbian 3 devices is capacitive methinks |
| 11:49.52 | Jaffa | lcuk: Oh, really? Interesting. |
| 11:50.01 | mece | I listed Tweed Suit, Qlister and an unnamed friend tracker meeting helper thingamabob I'm working on every now and then. *fingers crossed* |
| 11:50.42 | mece | you can get c7's at pretty good deals in Fi right now. I'm considering getting one to use as boat navigator. |
| 11:50.49 | mece | Navionics ftfw |
| 11:51.15 | Jaffa | http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?p=23664#post23664 makes me sad |
| 11:51.20 | Jaffa | blames X-Fade |
| 11:51.29 | Jaffa | ...but shouldn't shoot the messenger ;-) |
| 11:52.07 | Venemo | Jaffa, I wasn't aware you was behind Hermes |
| 11:52.13 | Jaffa | Venemo: I am |
| 11:52.21 | Venemo | Jaffa, thanks for it! it's a very nice piece of software :) |
| 11:52.23 | mece | Jaffa, damn. That blows! |
| 11:52.32 | Jaffa | Venemo: thanks :) |
| 11:53.05 | X-Fade | Jaffa: But this is not a problem at all. |
| 11:53.07 | mece | a community repo app for download somewhere very visible would be nice.. |
| 11:53.16 | X-Fade | Jaffa: There just isn't an application manager anymore. |
| 11:53.20 | lardman | cloudyLights: ping |
| 11:53.30 | mece | X-Fade, how do app managing work then? |
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| 11:54.01 | X-Fade | mece: You just long press on an icon of an app and hit X to uninstall |
| 11:54.04 | cloudyLights | lardman: did you get far with the event demon? |
| 11:54.19 | cloudyLights | lardman: the one that lets me hook to a location change? |
| 11:54.20 | lcuk | X-Fade, fun for pocket uninstalling |
| 11:54.22 | Venemo | Jaffa, as for me, I only have a couple of apps (not as many as you) |
| 11:54.27 | mece | X-Fade, and install simply from the intertubes, or from ovi app? |
| 11:54.31 | Venemo | plus a couple of app ideas :) |
| 11:54.43 | Jaffa | mece: qgil's been installing random debs direct from the browser over HTTP |
| 11:54.52 | lardman | cloudyLights: I've started, but been interrupted by a week or so of moving house |
| 11:54.52 | lcuk | Venemo, you have a skill beyond your app |
| 11:54.53 | X-Fade | mece: Store app or deb from browser. |
| 11:54.54 | lcuk | porting |
| 11:55.00 | lcuk | and packaging |
| 11:55.04 | mece | Jaffa, yeah, heard about that from ville. |
| 11:55.10 | Corsac | dragly: did you manage to fix your n950? |
| 11:55.11 | lcuk | taking that seed of an app and getting it onto many places |
| 11:55.13 | X-Fade | there is a setting to allow apps from untrusted sources :) |
| 11:55.15 | Jaffa | "deb from browser" is horrid if that's a preferred approach |
| 11:55.18 | mece | well, perhaps the legacy of the best-named app of all time can live on then? |
| 11:55.33 | mece | is speaking of "fapman", naturally. |
| 11:55.37 | X-Fade | Jaffa: Nah, we just need our app somewhere. |
| 11:55.47 | Venemo | lcuk, that is very kind of you to say :) |
| 11:56.00 | Jaffa | X-Fade: Ideally Ovi, of course. But will they host it? |
| 11:56.25 | X-Fade | Jaffa: They might. I can see if I can push some buttons :) |
| 11:56.40 | mece | Jaffa, X-Fade, we're talking about a repository/app manager, right? |
| 11:56.42 | cloudyLights | lardman: can I help |
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| 11:56.45 | cloudyLights | ? |
| 11:56.49 | lcuk | Jaffa, isn't it compliant enough to be published officially? |
| 11:56.53 | X-Fade | Jaffa: But there is also the nokia apps repo, which is maybe a simpler target. |
| 11:56.57 | Jaffa | mece: Right. For discovering and installing OSS software built by COBS |
| 11:57.02 | cloudyLights | I would rather hook to your deamon, then write my own |
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| 11:57.08 | lardman | cloudyLights: sure, in Garage, project is called Proximus |
| 11:57.13 | lcuk | ie just put it on the ovi store |
| 11:57.16 | lardman | I'll get cracking on it again this week |
| 11:57.25 | mece | ovi store AND website |
| 11:57.32 | cloudyLights | Proximus, right |
| 11:57.41 | Jaffa | lcuk: Isn't "what" compliant enough to be published on Ovi? |
| 11:57.50 | lardman | cloudyLights: what was your usecase? |
| 11:57.52 | cloudyLights | where you involved in gpe calender? |
| 11:57.52 | mece | lcuk, the app doesn't exist yet. |
| 11:58.04 | lcuk | Jaffa, attitude? |
| 11:58.13 | cloudyLights | lardman: alert user before he arrives at a bus station |
| 11:58.15 | Jaffa | lcuk: And if we decide that Ovi is the best way for the community to publish apps, why bother with our QA processes and COBS targets? |
| 11:58.16 | X-Fade | mece: There is an app. |
| 11:58.20 | lardman | cloudyLights: ah yes |
| 11:58.28 | Jaffa | lcuk: I'm sure it is. But publishing on Ovi is more opaque than OBS |
| 11:58.31 | mece | X-Fade, oh... cool :) |
| 11:58.42 | X-Fade | mece: The discovery part already works. Just needs a backend for installing debs ;) |
| 11:58.43 | mece | X-Fade, is it nice? |
| 11:58.58 | mece | ah |
| 11:59.07 | mece | apt is already there... |
| 11:59.23 | Macer | sigh |
| 11:59.24 | lardman | cloudyLights: if you have any thoughts then let me know (no internet at home, so will have to be during office hours in the UK), but I'll try to crack on now that I'm not so knackered from the move |
| 11:59.33 | Macer | have to use this damn android phone |
| 11:59.40 | lardman | pops to the pos office, bbiab |
| 11:59.49 | lcuk | good point Jaffa, unusually for me I was not thinking in the more general scope |
| 11:59.55 | Macer | stupid low quality usb port on the n900 |
| 12:00.05 | Macer | sucks |
| 12:00.17 | mece | Macer, :( |
| 12:00.18 | cloudyLights | lardman: I can sms you ;-) |
| 12:00.21 | Macer | i dont like andridiot too much |
| 12:00.22 | Jaffa | lcuk: Very unusual for you! ;-p |
| 12:00.34 | lcuk | Jaffa, baby brain today |
| 12:00.35 | lcuk | :) |
| 12:00.45 | Jaffa | Any progress yet? |
| 12:00.50 | lcuk | yes |
| 12:00.51 | mece | lcuk, how's the little hellraiser? |
| 12:00.54 | lcuk | 9lb 4 |
| 12:00.56 | lcuk | 4 hours |
| 12:01.00 | Jaffa | lcuk: Wow, congratulations! |
| 12:01.06 | Jaffa | THat's a big 'un. |
| 12:01.08 | lcuk | 2 paracetamol and gas and air only! |
| 12:01.11 | mece | Jaffa, you've been off twitter I see... |
| 12:01.18 | Jaffa | mece: Yeah |
| 12:01.31 | X-Fade | mece: https://gitorious.org/meego-community-extras-client |
| 12:01.32 | Jaffa | lcuk: Wow. Piece of piss ;-) |
| 12:01.36 | lcuk | yeah Jaffa we have hello world pics ;) |
| 12:01.39 | Jaffa | lcuk: Sex? |
| 12:01.47 | lcuk | indeed it was, tracy didn't think she was ready to push |
| 12:01.55 | mece | X-Fade, sweet! |
| 12:02.04 | lcuk | Jaffa, boy, calling him Finlay |
| 12:02.15 | Jaffa | lcuk: Cool name. He's gorgeous; congratulations to you all. |
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| 12:02.18 | X-Fade | lcuk: Congrats! |
| 12:02.21 | lcuk | nods |
| 12:02.25 | lcuk | \o |
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| 12:03.20 | lcuk | ty X-Fade Jaffa, will pass on to tracy |
| 12:03.58 | mece | lcuk, very cool name. I really like the Gaelic names. I have a Ciara myself :) |
| 12:04.30 | Macer | finlay? |
| 12:04.43 | Macer | never met a finlay before |
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| 12:08.48 | mece | X-Fade, does qgil have pull in the repository/app thing? That thing simply _must_ be available at release date.. |
| 12:09.06 | mece | as we all know, the cool stuff comes from the community :) |
| 12:10.25 | hiemanshu | lcuk: http://www.cardfr.com/953-973-thickbox/carte-finlay.jpg |
| 12:11.02 | lcuk | oh gawd hiemanshu |
| 12:11.12 | lcuk | good job we did not use WWE names though |
| 12:11.23 | lcuk | "The ROCK Birkett" :D |
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| 12:11.40 | hiemanshu | lcuk: finlay is a wwe guy :P |
| 12:11.51 | lcuk | that is my point |
| 12:12.53 | hiemanshu | I used to be a WWE fan :P when I was little :P |
| 12:13.30 | mece | World Wildlife Federation? |
| 12:13.33 | mece | o E |
| 12:14.03 | Jaffa | mece: I suppose the point is that there's no central app manager to discover them in. However, getting apps.meego.com granted a certificate which gives community apps (at least) equal power to Ovi, and without developer/open mode would mean our client, or installs through the browser, would be useful compared with the locked down "install deb from browser" |
| 12:14.09 | lcuk | believes hulkamania and for more shame, rick flair were around |
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| 12:14.50 | Hurrian | *pong* |
| 12:14.55 | Hurrian | anyone wanted me? |
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| 12:17.36 | Venemo | Jaffa, what do you think I should put into the "Project URL" field in the application form (in case I'm planning to do multiple projects, and these don't have their URL yet)? |
| 12:18.26 | mece | Venemo, I don't think it matters that much. Put something for the biggest project, or the one you like the most. |
| 12:18.42 | Venemo | mece, it doesn't matter much? that's a relief :) |
| 12:18.56 | mece | Venemo, I'm guessing here :D |
| 12:18.58 | Venemo | I never bothered to create any real kind of web page for any of my projects |
| 12:19.08 | mece | Venemo, me neither. |
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| 12:26.05 | Jaffa | Venemo: Your blog or maemo.org page or something |
| 12:26.25 | Venemo | Jaffa, mhm |
| 12:26.34 | Jaffa | Venemo: I think your URL should be "http://give.jaffa.my.device/" |
| 12:26.34 | Venemo | Jaffa, which one did you choose? |
| 12:26.41 | Jaffa | Venemo: Or your bestest project. |
| 12:26.44 | Venemo | :D |
| 12:26.49 | Jaffa | Venemo: http://hermes.garage.maemo.org/ |
| 12:27.18 | Hurrian | I just usually get a co.cc domain and a free hosting account, and shove a HTML file with a download link there. |
| 12:27.26 | Hurrian | worksforme.so |
| 12:28.57 | Venemo | Jaffa, is there any reason why Hermes hates me recently? |
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| 12:29.20 | nikkk0 | hi |
| 12:29.23 | Venemo | I click on "Refresh" and it says "Network connection error", even though other apps can use the network flawlessly. |
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| 12:29.30 | Venemo | Jaffa ^ |
| 12:29.57 | nikkk0 | anyone had/have modest that keep crashing with internal error...and then restart , recrash and so on ? |
| 12:30.03 | DocScrutinizer | \o/ took a crashcourse about libcmtspeech, dunno what for though |
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| 12:30.59 | nikkk0 | what is the best mail client for maemo5 ? |
| 12:31.10 | Venemo | there is not a single good one :( |
| 12:31.17 | nikkk0 | bah |
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| 12:31.26 | nikkk0 | so, the less worst ? |
| 12:31.27 | nikkk0 | :p |
| 12:31.41 | nikkk0 | my modest keep crashing in loop |
| 12:31.45 | nikkk0 | i dont get why |
| 12:31.46 | robbiethe1st | Stock works for me; or google's web client |
| 12:32.01 | nikkk0 | does that handle exchange ? |
| 12:32.09 | robbiethe1st | I.e. modest |
| 12:32.17 | Jaffa | Venemo: Reauthorise Facebook. |
| 12:32.22 | nikkk0 | mine is buggy |
| 12:32.24 | robbiethe1st | Could be your filesystem's corrupt; either reflash it, or install backupmenu and run the fsck option |
| 12:32.27 | DocScrutinizer | now if only Nokia had released docs and specs/files like http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-cellular/libcmtspeechdata/blobs/master/cmtspeech.h and http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-cellular/libcmtspeechdata/blobs/master/doc/libcmtspeechdata_api_docs_main.txt from very beginning, for all their closed blobs, then probably bad feelings about the closed *implementation* whould have been less :-S |
| 12:32.39 | nikkk0 | ah i also got an issue with facebook, for sharing pics |
| 12:32.44 | Venemo | Jaffa, how do I do that? |
| 12:32.44 | nikkk0 | noway to auth |
| 12:32.44 | robbiethe1st | Mine started doing that when my OptFS suddenly became corrupt |
| 12:32.45 | nikkk0 | :s |
| 12:32.51 | robbiethe1st | anyway, I'm off. |
| 12:32.59 | Jaffa | Venemo: Accounts > Facebook > Clear authorisation inside Hermes |
| 12:33.05 | nikkk0 | optFS ? |
| 12:33.14 | nikkk0 | ah maybe i got filesys full :s |
| 12:33.22 | nikkk0 | that could be the point |
| 12:33.30 | Venemo | Jaffa, thanks, I'll try |
| 12:33.46 | DocScrutinizer | nikkk0: you're on cssu? |
| 12:33.57 | nikkk0 | good question |
| 12:34.04 | Jaffa | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11961 |
| 12:34.05 | povbot | 04Bug 11961: Random email application (modest) crashes with CSSU |
| 12:34.15 | DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: :-D |
| 12:34.15 | nikkk0 | DocScrutinizer: how to be sure ? |
| 12:34.25 | DocScrutinizer | lol, you should know |
| 12:34.36 | Jaffa | nikkk0: Go to "Settings". If it has an "About CSSU" next to "About product" |
| 12:34.37 | nikkk0 | i installed so mannnny stuff :p |
| 12:34.43 | DocScrutinizer | as installing cssu isn't sth you do by accident |
| 12:34.52 | nikkk0 | Jaffa: nope only about product |
| 12:35.15 | Venemo | Jaffa, thanks, it seems to be working now! |
| 12:35.36 | nikkk0 | Jaffa: DocScrutinizer: nope i'm not in cssu then :) |
| 12:35.59 | nikkk0 | i'm gonna try to get some freespace on /opt/ and see if it can start |
| 12:36.06 | DocScrutinizer | then modest loop-crashing is pathological |
| 12:36.14 | Venemo | Jaffa, also, in the field in which I should list my contributions to Maemo, should I post links to the various projects I have contributed to? |
| 12:36.21 | cloudyLights | Jaffa:https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11961 how can I help? |
| 12:36.22 | povbot | 04Bug 11961: Random email application (modest) crashes with CSSU |
| 12:36.24 | cloudyLights | I also see this |
| 12:36.45 | nikkk0 | thats with cssu |
| 12:36.51 | nikkk0 | i'm affraid dont have that |
| 12:37.26 | nikkk0 | cssu issnt part of the apt/source.list right? |
| 12:37.35 | Jaffa | Venemo: I think so! (Although, of course, I'm not involved and can only speak for what *I* did) |
| 12:37.42 | DocScrutinizer | I love the "random email application" bit in it ;-P |
| 12:37.47 | Venemo | Jaffa, sure, thx :) |
| 12:37.54 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer :D |
| 12:37.55 | Jaffa | cloudyLights: Speak to Sc0rpius or MohammadAG or merlin1991 here on or #maemo-ssu |
| 12:38.06 | nikkk0 | :) |
| 12:38.21 | Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: :) |
| 12:38.42 | cloudyLights | o ok , be glad to help on that |
| 12:38.45 | nikkk0 | to get a clean modest |
| 12:38.52 | nikkk0 | i guess rm /home/user/.modest |
| 12:38.59 | DocScrutinizer | haha |
| 12:38.59 | nikkk0 | apt-get remove modest |
| 12:39.04 | DocScrutinizer | hahaha |
| 12:39.05 | nikkk0 | and then trying to reinstall could fix? |
| 12:39.17 | DocScrutinizer | try to reinstall might get funny |
| 12:39.33 | nikkk0 | already did, but no sure i cleaned all data/accounts |
| 12:39.34 | nikkk0 | :s |
| 12:39.38 | DocScrutinizer | I'm not sure there's a modest package |
| 12:39.45 | nikkk0 | there is |
| 12:39.50 | DocScrutinizer | oh, ok |
| 12:39.51 | nikkk0 | :) |
| 12:40.22 | Jaffa | Removing it will want to remove mp-fremantle-generic-pr though |
| 12:40.33 | DocScrutinizer | still I wonder how that's plumbed t maemo-MP |
| 12:40.40 | DocScrutinizer | yeah |
| 12:40.49 | DocScrutinizer | exactly that |
| 12:41.03 | nikkk0 | whats that Jaffa ? |
| 12:41.04 | cloudyLights | DocScrutinizer> what is TA value im cellular? |
| 12:41.14 | DocScrutinizer | timing advance |
| 12:41.20 | nikkk0 | maybe i already did :s |
| 12:41.26 | nikkk0 | shoudl check if its still there |
| 12:41.37 | DocScrutinizer | see link to my 2008 mail to openmoko ML I linked you to |
| 12:42.05 | DocScrutinizer | it basically tells how far you're from BTS |
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| 12:42.18 | cloudyLights | I am reading it and dodnt understand what TA mean, i will read on |
| 12:42.24 | Venemo | Jaffa, a slight question about Hermes: can I somehow make it respect the native name order of my country? |
| 12:42.24 | DocScrutinizer | in 550m increments |
| 12:42.41 | Jaffa | Venemo: Not currently. What do you mean? |
| 12:43.01 | DocScrutinizer | it's a correction factor for the mobile's timer to stay in sync with BTS tower |
| 12:43.04 | Jaffa | Venemo: If there's not an issue for it already open, though, it'd be good if you could. Since some bits will need tweaking for Qt Mobility backed anyway |
| 12:43.36 | DocScrutinizer | cloudyLights: or in other words, it's representing speed of light delay for your data to tower |
| 12:43.55 | Venemo | Jaffa, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_name_order#Name_order |
| 12:44.04 | cloudyLights | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:44.07 | Venemo | Jaffa, if it's Qt, I could take a look |
| 12:45.28 | nikkk0 | ok, and for the speed of the device. |
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| 12:45.33 | DocScrutinizer | time for some proper cool beer... where are my sunglasses? |
| 12:45.36 | DocScrutinizer | o/ |
| 12:45.39 | nikkk0 | beside overclocking, no other way to gain in speed? |
| 12:45.59 | DocScrutinizer | reduce memory consumption |
| 12:46.12 | nikkk0 | so less widget and apps? |
| 12:46.17 | Jaffa | Venemo: It's not yet. |
| 12:46.32 | Venemo | Jaffa, not yet what? |
| 12:46.38 | DocScrutinizer | overclocking is BS, unless you know *exactly* why it's needed and what it does in a particular problem case |
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| 12:47.18 | nikkk0 | what u mean by BS? |
| 12:47.22 | cloudyLights | I will try to run this kind of script here and see what I get |
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| 12:47.33 | cloudyLights | base station? |
| 12:47.41 | nikkk0 | :) |
| 12:47.50 | nikkk0 | doubt it |
| 12:47.57 | DocScrutinizer | I mean I had laptops that had half the CPU grunt of that little N900, and still served me well, even on KDE and for OpenOffice |
| 12:48.14 | nikkk0 | indeed |
| 12:48.21 | nikkk0 | so what is killing the n900 ? :p |
| 12:48.30 | nikkk0 | my gf's pictures ? |
| 12:48.31 | nikkk0 | :) |
| 12:48.33 | X-Fade | nikkk0: you. |
| 12:48.49 | nikkk0 | heh |
| 12:49.08 | nikkk0 | probably .. but it wasnt that fast in the begining ;) |
| 12:49.10 | DocScrutinizer | he's right |
| 12:49.16 | cloudyLights | btw, now that I am working with ec2, seems a good test to see how I can use ec2 from my N900 |
| 12:49.22 | cloudyLights | more about that - later |
| 12:49.53 | DocScrutinizer | esp if you are overclocking it - that qualifies for a really proper kill |
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| 12:50.58 | cloudyLights | did anyone here used ec2 and n900 for some application? |
| 12:51.03 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer :) |
| 12:51.09 | Venemo | cloudyLights, what is ec2? |
| 12:51.17 | cloudyLights | amazon cloud |
| 12:51.21 | nikkk0 | heh |
| 12:51.30 | crashanddie | I'm guessing everyone did at some point or another. |
| 12:51.32 | cloudyLights | I can think of wep cracking as an example of cpu need |
| 12:51.44 | crashanddie | WEP cracking doesn't require CPU |
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| 12:51.49 | crashanddie | It takes about 3 minutes to crack a WEP key. |
| 12:51.52 | crashanddie | on the N900 |
| 12:52.02 | cloudyLights | well, something else |
| 12:52.07 | joga | what if 3 minutes is too long? ;) |
| 12:52.28 | nikkk0 | cloudyLights: for wpa maybe |
| 12:52.28 | nikkk0 | not wep |
| 12:52.29 | nikkk0 | :) |
| 12:52.30 | cloudyLights | taks min to createa new instance |
| 12:52.36 | DocScrutinizer | joga: then you shouldn't try to crack the WEP of the police station :-P |
| 12:52.42 | achipa | Venemo: yes ? |
| 12:52.49 | nikkk0 | but rather run john on ps3 |
| 12:52.50 | joga | DocScrutinizer hah, like they even have encryption ;) |
| 12:52.54 | nikkk0 | than on n900 |
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| 12:53.49 | DocScrutinizer | still has to witness john cracking a wpa key with a proper non-dictionary passphrase |
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| 12:54.24 | nikkk0 | if u got many gpu could happens |
| 12:54.25 | nikkk0 | :) |
| 12:54.45 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: moin |
| 12:54.49 | javispedro | moin |
| 12:54.59 | javispedro | so, everybody got his n9devkit already? =) |
| 12:55.17 | Jaffa | javispedro: :-p |
| 12:55.21 | javispedro | j/k ;P |
| 12:55.27 | jonwil | I think I found the signals I need |
| 12:55.38 | Jaffa | javispedro: My N950 got lost in the post, so they've sent me one of each colour 64GB N9s instead |
| 12:55.39 | jonwil | Time to see if http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control has info on the things I need to use |
| 12:56.20 | nikkk0 | :) |
| 12:57.04 | jonwil | Knowing Nokia, they would probably replace a lost N950 with an N97 |
| 12:57.49 | Jaffa | has sent one of his N900s off for repair. Goodness knows what I'll get back |
| 12:57.59 | alterego | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:58.05 | javispedro | jonwil: we had one such case here |
| 12:58.16 | javispedro | someone sent a n900 and got a n8 iirc |
| 12:58.23 | alterego | Jaffa: I sent mine off two weeks before SF and got a replaced internal board, so I'm guessing they probably still have some parts somewhere ;) |
| 12:58.39 | javispedro | this makes me think |
| 12:58.58 | javispedro | european warranty law states that you may get a back an alternative device with similar or superior specifications |
| 12:58.59 | Jaffa | alterego: I was remembering what javispedro's said about some shortages |
| 12:59.01 | alterego | If you wait until after the N9 is launched you should be able to get one of those as it's functionally more equivalent ;) |
| 12:59.12 | Jaffa | javispedro: The only superior spec device Nokia have is N950 or N9 ;-) |
| 12:59.13 | jonwil | both of my N900 warranty issues were resolved with a new N900 |
| 12:59.14 | javispedro | is the n8 superior to the n900? =) |
| 12:59.25 | Jaffa | javispedro: Lower screen res; no keyboard. |
| 12:59.27 | alterego | javispedro: camera is :P |
| 12:59.41 | alterego | And maybe some inbuilt software functionality .. But meh. |
| 12:59.42 | ShadowJK | lower cpu speed |
| 12:59.49 | ShadowJK | and symbian |
| 13:00.07 | Jaffa | Court would probably rule you could sell it, buy an N900 for a profit on eBay and so should shut up. |
| 13:00.18 | javispedro | haha |
| 13:00.24 | javispedro | Jaffa: you have a point =) |
| 13:00.43 | alterego | Heh |
| 13:00.53 | alterego | Jaffa: that would work, if you could buy an N900 ;) |
| 13:01.00 | alterego | I'll sell you one for 500 :P |
| 13:01.02 | alterego | (EUR) |
| 13:01.27 | Jaffa | alterego: One for 67 quid with 3 hours left. |
| 13:01.36 | Jaffa | Hmm, it seems the second hand market isn't as good as I'd hoped |
| 13:01.39 | alterego | Bargain, |
| 13:01.44 | alterego | Mine is brand new and boxed :P |
| 13:01.59 | jonwil | bah, I wish I could figure out how to talk to the registration_status_change, signal_strength_change, radio_access_technology_change and radio_info_change signals |
| 13:02.04 | Jaffa | http://phones.shop.ebay.co.uk/Mobile-Phones-w-o-Contract-/9355/i.html?_nkw=nokia+n900&_catref=1&_fln=1&_trksid=p3286.c0.m282 |
| 13:02.04 | jonwil | Or what they are for |
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| 13:02.26 | jonwil | google doesn' |
| 13:02.28 | jonwil | doesn't help |
| 13:02.37 | Jaffa | Ah, the 67 quid one has a broken USB port! |
| 13:02.56 | jonwil | a N900 with a busted USB is useless |
| 13:02.58 | javispedro | we are boned, no n900, no n950, ... |
| 13:03.27 | alterego | jonwil: not entirely, if you have a way to charge it. |
| 13:03.36 | alterego | Flashing it is possible .. |
| 13:03.41 | alterego | (without USB) |
| 13:03.55 | alterego | Plus, spare screen may be worth that. |
| 13:04.01 | alterego | And keypad etc. |
| 13:04.24 | dm8tbr | also you might be able to fix the port? |
| 13:04.44 | alterego | That is also a possibility, but you wouldn't know until you got it. |
| 13:04.50 | dm8tbr | has never seen the PCB nor the damage a sheered off connector does |
| 13:07.54 | jonwil | Anyone here know anything about how flightmode works? |
| 13:08.13 | alterego | It powers down radios |
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| 13:09.44 | jonwil | that much I knoqw |
| 13:09.54 | jonwil | I mean how do userspace apps enable/disable it |
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| 13:10.01 | jonwil | i.e. the flightmode ui options |
| 13:11.04 | alterego | Check for dbus calls |
| 13:11.16 | DocScrutinizer | jonwil: can you please share the arm binary resulting from that 5liner c program to patch the lib? |
| 13:11.32 | DocScrutinizer | I'm not prepared to compile it here ;-) |
| 13:11.54 | jonwil | yeah I can do that |
| 13:11.57 | jonwil | turns on linux box |
| 13:12.43 | Corsac | please turn it off, it's already too hot |
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| 13:13.28 | alterego | Heh |
| 13:15.39 | DocScrutinizer | jonwil: (wish I could figure) http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-cellular/libcmtspeechdata/blobs/master/doc/libcmtspeechdata_api_docs_main.txt |
| 13:16.52 | jonwil | Whats that documentation for? |
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| 13:17.12 | jonwil | Also guys, for future reference, do NOT handle a N900 after eating pizza with chili on it |
| 13:17.23 | DocScrutinizer | mentions all the dbus signals of the events you're asking for |
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| 13:17.32 | DocScrutinizer | almost all at least, related to CSD |
| 13:17.49 | Corsac | but you can handle your n900 to your 8 month old daughter, no problem |
| 13:18.36 | jonwil | That doc doesnt mention any of those signals |
| 13:18.43 | jonwil | It seems to be for a meego library |
| 13:18.55 | jonwil | Sure you got the right docs? |
| 13:19.25 | Venemo | jonwil, why not? I thought that N900 in pizza flavour would be tasty :P |
| 13:19.44 | DocScrutinizer | jonwil: http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-cellular/libcmtspeechdata/blobs/master/doc/libcmtspeechdata_api_docs_main.txt#line268 |
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| 13:19.50 | DocScrutinizer | jonwil: et ff |
| 13:20.12 | jonwil | oh ok |
| 13:20.43 | jonwil | I just found a package by the name of libcsnet-dev_0.4.14+0m5_armel |
| 13:20.51 | jonwil | which contains a file called net_interface.xml |
| 13:20.54 | jonwil | which happens to be what I need |
| 13:20.58 | DocScrutinizer | http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-cellular/libcmtspeechdata/blobs/master/doc/libcmtspeechdata_api_docs_main.txt#line285 |
| 13:21.20 | DocScrutinizer | http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-cellular/libcmtspeechdata/blobs/master/doc/libcmtspeechdata_api_docs_main.txt#line297 |
| 13:21.24 | DocScrutinizer | etc etc |
| 13:21.57 | DocScrutinizer | afk |
| 13:21.59 | DocScrutinizer | o/ |
| 13:22.37 | jonwil | Looks like net_interface.xml is full dbus introspection XML |
| 13:22.46 | jonwil | full details of all the stuff Phone.Net does |
| 13:23.12 | jonwil | The amount of useful headers, documentation and code that's out there if you know where it is is surprising... |
| 13:24.26 | jonwil | ok, I have the compiled binary for the patcher and dumper apps, what should I do with them? |
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| 13:25.24 | jonwil | Interesting, I think I can figure out how to use libconnui and libconnui-cellular directly just like the operator name widget |
| 13:25.33 | jonwil | which saves me writing new code |
| 13:27.15 | jonwil | all I gotta do is understand the maw that is dbus_glib :P |
| 13:29.23 | DocScrutinizer | use python ;-P |
| 13:29.56 | DocScrutinizer | http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/local/bin/smscb.py |
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| 13:31.17 | DocScrutinizer | (what to do with binary) attach to mail to ML, or send to my mail addr directly, whatever you prefer |
| 13:31.33 | DocScrutinizer | or up to the location where's sourcecode as well |
| 13:33.16 | jonwil | will send to you directly |
| 13:34.17 | jonwil | email sent |
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| 13:37.39 | nikkk0 | ell broadcast |
| 13:37.48 | nikkk0 | DocScrutinizer: whats this script for ? |
| 13:37.54 | nikkk0 | cell |
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| 13:38.37 | nikkk0 | pdu..sms, sounds good |
| 13:38.38 | javispedro | qdbus experts, if an application does QDBusConnection::systemBus().connect(QString(), "/some/path/", "some.interface", "something", this, SLOT(...)), is it listening to signals? |
| 13:39.01 | nikkk0 | btw, is there a way to query the sim via the filesys ? |
| 13:39.32 | SpeedEvil | nikkk0: No |
| 13:39.39 | SpeedEvil | nikkk0: What do you mean 'query the SIM' |
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| 13:40.53 | nikkk0 | SpeedEvil: hmm list whats in it :) |
| 13:41.07 | nikkk0 | contacts..and other stuff |
| 13:41.08 | nikkk0 | get cryptokey ? :) |
| 13:41.08 | DocScrutinizer | nikkk0: http://paste.debian.net/121054/ |
| 13:41.50 | nikkk0 | also seems pnatd is in charge of the sms |
| 13:42.13 | nikkk0 | anybody got a clear view on what is where on the filessytem? |
| 13:42.23 | jonwil | SMS stuff on N900 is done via the CSD daemon |
| 13:42.23 | SpeedEvil | nikkk0: cryptokey can 'never' be read from modern SIMs. |
| 13:42.28 | nikkk0 | can we sniff gsm signal ? |
| 13:42.31 | SpeedEvil | nikkk0: no |
| 13:42.46 | jonwil | and specifically the libcsd-sms plugin |
| 13:42.51 | jonwil | and libsms library |
| 13:42.51 | SpeedEvil | nikkk0: Basically, you can't do anything interesting, the modem is talkable to by AT commands - and that's pretty much all |
| 13:43.10 | SpeedEvil | nikkk0: The modem runs its own software stack, and deals with all of the low level stuff. |
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| 13:43.23 | nikkk0 | hmm |
| 13:43.23 | nikkk0 | but the fone doesnt access it anyhow ? |
| 13:43.33 | cloudyLights | heard it has its own cpu and is blocked by all means |
| 13:43.36 | SpeedEvil | nikkk0: All you can do on the main processor is boring stuff like echo cancellation, and making your voice sound like darth vader. |
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| 13:43.50 | nikkk0 | SpeedEvil: modem is pnatd process ? |
| 13:43.56 | SpeedEvil | No. |
| 13:44.04 | nikkk0 | ehhe |
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| 13:44.08 | jonwil | pnatd has nothing to do with modem |
| 13:44.12 | SpeedEvil | The modem is software running on a completely seperate CPU. |
| 13:44.13 | jonwil | modem is separate CPU |
| 13:44.16 | nikkk0 | SpeedEvil: what about imei/imsi spoof? |
| 13:44.21 | SpeedEvil | pnatd talks to it in some ways. |
| 13:44.25 | SpeedEvil | nikkk0: no, you can't. |
| 13:44.25 | nikkk0 | ok |
| 13:44.33 | jonwil | imei and imsi are handled by modem firmware also |
| 13:44.44 | jonwil | all the sensitive stuff is handled by the modem firmware |
| 13:44.45 | nikkk0 | hmm |
| 13:44.56 | SpeedEvil | nikkk0: _every_ interesting 'hacking' suggestion is 'no, you can't' as the modem stack is secured, and not open, and designed not to allow it. |
| 13:45.00 | nikkk0 | and patching the firmware? |
| 13:45.11 | nikkk0 | :s |
| 13:45.12 | DocScrutinizer | damn no |
| 13:45.15 | SpeedEvil | You can upgrade the modem firmware with the appropriately signed firmware |
| 13:45.16 | nikkk0 | sux |
| 13:45.35 | jonwil | Its a good thing that you cant mess with the modem firmware |
| 13:45.52 | DocScrutinizer | go osmocom if you're interested in hacking the gsm stack |
| 13:45.53 | nikkk0 | imsi is on the sim |
| 13:45.57 | SpeedEvil | jonwil: In some ways, in others it'd be nice. |
| 13:46.01 | nikkk0 | imei on the device |
| 13:46.08 | SpeedEvil | I want to chane the IMEI to one of a smashed ipad, for example. |
| 13:46.11 | nikkk0 | DocScrutinizer: i am |
| 13:46.22 | nikkk0 | but any good stuff runing out on n900 ? :) |
| 13:46.23 | SpeedEvil | So I can use an ipad plan on my n900 |
| 13:46.34 | SpeedEvil | nikkk0: no |
| 13:47.21 | jonwil | Would be interesting to see someone try to get osmocombb running on something more powerful than the Motorola C series dumbphones they are trying to run it on now... |
| 13:47.33 | nikkk0 | but imsi is read from the sim |
| 13:47.35 | jonwil | Although given that more powerfull phones tend to have more security for the modem firmware |
| 13:47.53 | jonwil | and also much more complex modem chipsets |
| 13:47.55 | DocScrutinizer | nikkk0: you start nagging |
| 13:48.02 | SpeedEvil | nikkk0: IMEI I meant |
| 13:48.10 | DocScrutinizer | nikkk0: there's no access to modem, and no access to sim |
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| 13:48.21 | SpeedEvil | nikkk0: anyway - the n900 modem is not crackable, so you can't do any of this. |
| 13:48.22 | nikkk0 | ok |
| 13:48.30 | jonwil | I doubt we will see osmocombb on anything thats actually good anytime soon :P |
| 13:48.34 | nikkk0 | sad |
| 13:48.34 | nikkk0 | :s |
| 13:48.37 | SpeedEvil | There is no 'filesystem' |
| 13:49.03 | nikkk0 | hmm |
| 13:49.03 | cloudyLights | btw I heard its the same in android |
| 13:49.16 | nikkk0 | now i wonder why didnt i buy a windows fone :p |
| 13:49.28 | nikkk0 | joke |
| 13:49.30 | SpeedEvil | In most phones this is the case. |
| 13:49.40 | SpeedEvil | There are two independant cores |
| 13:49.43 | cloudyLights | and for a good reason |
| 13:49.46 | nikkk0 | yeah i guess so |
| 13:50.04 | nikkk0 | ;) |
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| 13:51.20 | jonwil | btw, who was it that suggested I should use Python? Every time I look at Python code, my eyes glaze over. |
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| 13:51.28 | nikkk0 | so the firmware is the key/or the lock :p |
| 13:51.49 | jonwil | You probably couldn't get me to mess with Python if you paid me to do it |
| 13:52.12 | crashanddie | takes note never to hire jonwil |
| 13:52.52 | jonwil | I am perfectly happy with C++, C, VB.NET, Delphi, PHP and a number of other languages |
| 13:52.56 | jonwil | Just not Python |
| 13:53.07 | jonwil | I did a little bit of Ruby once |
| 13:53.11 | jonwil | a long time ago |
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| 13:56.13 | cloudyLights | when I run git clone I see |
| 13:56.15 | cloudyLights | git: 'remote-curl' is not a git-command. See 'git --help'. |
| 13:56.24 | cloudyLights | how to fix in N900? |
| 13:59.42 | nikkk0 | SpeedEvil: to access the modem for at command what do u use ? |
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| 14:03.26 | DocScrutinizer | pnatd, alas I fail to figure any sane qay to quit it or use it scripted. echo at|pnatd; no dice |
| 14:03.53 | nikkk0 | ok |
| 14:03.59 | nikkk0 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:04.02 | nikkk0 | let me check |
| 14:05.11 | nikkk0 | i found some sms.py for n900 |
| 14:07.14 | alterego | DocScrutinizer: Columbus disables it when you enable USB serial streaming. |
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| 14:07.51 | alterego | DocScrutinizer: it takes as it's first paramter (iirc) a serial IO device, you could make a psuedo serial device to launch it against. |
| 14:08.00 | nikkk0 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:08.03 | nikkk0 | let me grab a link |
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| 14:09.58 | DocScrutinizer | alterego: nice |
| 14:10.42 | alterego | DocScrutinizer: you may also want to look at the FOSS matd project ;) |
| 14:10.53 | alterego | Though that may be hard wired to ofono |
| 14:11.30 | alterego | I'm still trying to understand why there is no Symbian or Series 40 backend in Qt5 |
| 14:11.37 | alterego | Not even a mention of it ... |
| 14:11.41 | alterego | ponders |
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| 14:12.13 | alterego | We still don't know what this "next billion" actually means .. |
| 14:13.13 | jonwil | bah, I wish there was more documentation for the relationship between the actual signal and the signal handler you pass to dbus_g_proxy_connect_signal |
| 14:13.27 | jonwil | i.e. what the signal handler should look like given the details for the signal |
| 14:13.31 | nikkk0 | DocScrutinizer: http://wiki.maemo.org/PyMaemo/Phone_call_and_SMS_examples |
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| 14:13.46 | internetishard | why doesn't this thing have a flesh port? |
| 14:13.52 | internetishard | It is so sexy I want to bang it |
| 14:14.24 | crashanddie | internetishard, nice. |
| 14:14.25 | alterego | Why doesn't it have a flesh torch .. |
| 14:14.39 | alterego | Or is that the same thing? |
| 14:14.53 | internetishard | mine is more like a fleshlight |
| 14:15.02 | internetishard | except open source |
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| 14:15.49 | alterego | I like how the N950 has "developer edition" plastered all over it :D |
| 14:16.37 | nikkk0 | gotta reboot, bbl |
| 14:16.55 | Jaffa | alterego: Yes, despite all the "don't you know what this means?!" they haven't *actually* said that Qt will be on S40. |
| 14:17.21 | alterego | Jaffa: it's interesting isn't it :) |
| 14:17.24 | Jaffa | alterego: So every time someone says "you're underestimating 'Qt being core to the next billion'" I feel like saying, "how, exactly" |
| 14:17.26 | internetishard | wtf, how do I get a skype IM from some spammer who isn't on my contacts list |
| 14:17.34 | Jaffa | internetishard: Yeah, I get that too |
| 14:17.43 | internetishard | really? okay, I felt violated |
| 14:17.59 | alterego | Jaffa: maybe they mean LG and Samsung using MeeGo on handsets ;) |
| 14:18.38 | Jaffa | alterego: :) |
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| 14:18.49 | Jaffa | alterego: Maybe they mean they're going to rebrand Harmattan as "S42" ;-) |
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| 14:19.53 | alterego | Jaffa: I hope so |
| 14:20.12 | internetishard | let's make our own |
| 14:20.14 | internetishard | :> |
| 14:20.33 | alterego | Jaffa: but then, who knows, the fact they announced an S40 device with a 1GHz processor is indicative of some movement into a more capable environment for Qt I would imagine. |
| 14:20.38 | internetishard | we could evven build in a chick magnet |
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| 14:21.03 | alterego | internetishard: That's easy, just display a webpage for a shoe shop on the screen .. |
| 14:21.19 | internetishard | ug |
| 14:21.27 | internetishard | ^^this man has experience with women |
| 14:22.08 | ShadowJK | S40 doesn't run QT? |
| 14:22.25 | alterego | Nope, not yet |
| 14:22.55 | javispedro | is in love with the Harmattan iphone-style installs |
| 14:23.06 | javispedro | very very nice. |
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| 14:23.16 | divan | javispedro, what does mean iphone-style installs? |
| 14:23.31 | javispedro | in the launcher |
| 14:23.51 | javispedro | installing feedback appears on the launcher, uninstallations can be started from the launcher app |
| 14:24.06 | divan | hmm |
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| 14:25.40 | Jaffa | javispedro: I'm nervous about what it means for community apps with regards to visibility; but the UX is nice, certainly |
| 14:25.48 | jonwil | Finding decent documentation on dbus-glib is hard :( |
| 14:26.12 | javispedro | Jaffa: http://depot.javispedro.com/nit/harmattansdk/installdownloading.png |
| 14:26.19 | javispedro | http://depot.javispedro.com/nit/harmattansdk/installuninstall.png |
| 14:26.29 | Jaffa | javispedro: Nice |
| 14:26.54 | javispedro | I gather it is all done via browser on harmattan |
| 14:26.54 | Jaffa | javispedro: Does Harmattan scratchbox live nicely alongside/in Fremantle SDK? |
| 14:27.01 | Jaffa | javispedro: Yeah, which doesn't sound goo |
| 14:27.08 | javispedro | dunno. |
| 14:27.18 | javispedro | anything is better than ham. |
| 14:27.19 | X-Fade | javispedro: or Store client |
| 14:27.20 | jonwil | as far as I know yes Harmattan and Fremantle can live side by side |
| 14:27.41 | javispedro | yes, they should be able to, and here I don't have any problems. |
| 14:27.46 | alterego | Jaffa: both targets work for me. |
| 14:28.03 | javispedro | Jaffa: also a web frontend might induce users to leave feedback. |
| 14:28.07 | Jaffa | alterego: Just followed the Harmattan Platform SDK install instructions and it happily updated /scratchbox? |
| 14:28.09 | javispedro | Jaffa: see iphone store(s). |
| 14:28.24 | alterego | Jaffa: yup |
| 14:28.33 | DocScrutinizer | Nokia Developer Newsletter: Ovi Store tops 6 million daily downloads |
| 14:28.45 | ShadowJK | wonders if it handles dependencies at all ;p |
| 14:28.49 | DocScrutinizer | The future of Qt: Bringing apps to the next billion |
| 14:28.58 | Jaffa | javispedro: There's only one; and I dunno if I can be bothered with the Ovi hassle |
| 14:29.02 | jonwil | So do we know if the N9 has the nice openness of the N900 or is it closed like the iPhone? |
| 14:29.10 | Jaffa | alterego: Cool. Now all I need is some disk space. |
| 14:29.10 | DocScrutinizer | How to request the Nokia N950 developer kit ;-P |
| 14:29.28 | Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: Yup |
| 14:29.37 | javispedro | ShadowJK: behind the scenes is your old friendly neighborhood apt-get |
| 14:29.42 | javispedro | *neighbor |
| 14:30.02 | Jaffa | javispedro: Discussion about third party repos at http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=3671 |
| 14:30.15 | javispedro | Jaffa: what do you mean by "there's only one"? |
| 14:30.22 | Jaffa | javispedro: iPhone Store |
| 14:30.38 | javispedro | ah well, there are a few more ones... |
| 14:30.44 | javispedro | you know the idea =) |
| 14:31.12 | javispedro | either way the point is that imo a good way to promote feedback is to put a comments form in the same webpage where the user downloaded the app |
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| 14:31.33 | javispedro | that's the way the iphone does it, that's the way my father did, that's the way america does it... and it served apple pretty well so far. |
| 14:32.12 | javispedro | I prefer that more to "surprises" when the user hits the uninstalll app icon |
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| 14:33.32 | Jaffa | javispedro: Oh, agreed. And "give feedback on uninstall" never captures the feedback from the people who love the app and keep it! |
| 14:34.29 | javispedro | so, I'm fine with the main community distribution method being a webpage, if we can manage to set it up, of course. |
| 14:34.47 | alterego | Jaffa: btw, finished that accounts management system I told you about before SF |
| 14:34.57 | alterego | Customer is very pleased with it, and it's working quite well for them so far :) |
| 14:34.59 | merlin1991 | normally when I remove an application I want to get rid of it not fill out a survey why I don't like it |
| 14:35.21 | alterego | Jaffa: Might work on productising it and refactoring it to be a bit more generic for more adhoc solutions :) |
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| 14:35.54 | Jaffa | alterego: Cool |
| 14:36.13 | Jaffa | javispedro: ...and the security framework means that apps from web pages aren't entirely locked down (which, I think, they should be) |
| 14:36.39 | Jaffa | javispedro: Whereas a repo (e.g. a .install file from a browser) could point to a repo which is signed and has some permissions granted to it. |
| 14:36.53 | Jaffa | javispedro: Remember all that stuff Aegis does about permissions & repositories from Amsterdam... |
| 14:37.01 | javispedro | i'm thinking the latter option (.install file) |
| 14:37.15 | javispedro | cause for updates, etc. we still need repo |
| 14:37.20 | Jaffa | nods |
| 14:37.28 | javispedro | note: updates are also signaled in launcher, or at least that's what the code says (couldn't get it to work) |
| 14:37.47 | Jaffa | A web page can be iterated and developed and distributed more quickly than an app |
| 14:37.54 | Jaffa | The app can just embed it or launch it |
| 14:38.25 | X-Fade | javispedro: there is no .install file support anymore. |
| 14:38.57 | javispedro | X-Fade: Ovi has its own client then? |
| 14:39.14 | ShadowJK | So how does this security thing work |
| 14:39.16 | X-Fade | javispedro: yes. |
| 14:39.20 | javispedro | :( |
| 14:39.26 | ShadowJK | like, can you do a USB OTG Kernel with ntfs support? :P |
| 14:39.59 | X-Fade | javispedro: That is why we need an app, coming from a trusted source afaik. |
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| 14:40.22 | javispedro | how aegis works from the user PoV is still a mistery to me. |
| 14:40.38 | Jaffa | X-Fade: Who's that trusted source going to be, though? |
| 14:40.52 | javispedro | I know that packages declare the device resources they need access to, but I don't know how the UI reacts if you install a package that, let's say, wants to access everything. |
| 14:40.56 | frals | aegis *shivers* |
| 14:40.56 | SpeedEvil | Yeah - the big question isn't aegis - it's how it's actually done. |
| 14:41.04 | X-Fade | Jaffa: Like I said, the nokia apps one is probably the easiest. Otherwise ovi? |
| 14:41.18 | Jaffa | X-Fade: But how does a user install something from Nokia Apps? |
| 14:41.40 | ShadowJK | So if I want to have the benfits of running in Closed Mode, I can't make any of my own apps that does anything non-trivial? |
| 14:41.42 | X-Fade | Jaffa: I guess we would need an installer deb :) |
| 14:41.51 | Jaffa | X-Fade: Which is a bit of a catch-22, no? |
| 14:42.15 | X-Fade | Jaffa: But let's see when dev device becomes available. Then you can test. |
| 14:42.17 | Jaffa | Unless an unsigned, untrusted app can install things from trusted sources |
| 14:42.39 | Jaffa | X-Fade: Aye. <twiddles thumbs> |
| 14:43.15 | X-Fade | Jaffa: It is summer, go outside and enjoy the nice weather. Drink a cold beer :D |
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| 14:43.21 | javispedro | bah |
| 14:43.26 | ShadowJK | Well how the hell as I as a user supposed to figure out if it's locked to unusableness or not :( |
| 14:43.32 | Jaffa | X-Fade: Some of us don't have Noridc holidays. |
| 14:43.40 | Jaffa | X-Fade: I'm at work for four more weeks, then I get two weeks off |
| 14:43.48 | X-Fade | Jaffa: Call it end of the work day and go outside? :) |
| 14:43.50 | Jaffa | ShadowJK: You wait for us to find out and tell you |
| 14:43.53 | javispedro | nice weather is like a bane here |
| 14:43.55 | Jaffa | X-Fade: Not an option |
| 14:44.17 | Jaffa | X-Fade: Besides, if I'm not at work, I'm doing *more* with Maemo/MeeGo/Harmattan, not less! |
| 14:44.24 | javispedro | Jaffa++ |
| 14:44.27 | ShadowJK | Jaffa, maybe I could harass Nokia Care and record what they tell me so I can return it when it doen't do what they said it'll do :P |
| 14:44.31 | X-Fade | Jaffa: I thought you had enough magic powers to get that done? :) |
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| 14:45.12 | X-Fade | Anyway, there is an option in settings where you can say 'allow apps from untrusted sources' afaik. |
| 14:45.21 | Jaffa | Like Android |
| 14:45.49 | javispedro | and, what does it do? there's no gui to add new repos |
| 14:45.58 | javispedro | and if there's no .install support... |
| 14:46.05 | javispedro | chicken and egg problem |
| 14:46.08 | javispedro | or catch-22 as Jaffa said. |
| 14:46.10 | X-Fade | javispedro: You click on debs. |
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| 14:46.23 | ShadowJK | X-Fade, missing dependency handling then? :-) |
| 14:46.28 | ShadowJK | what about getting root and adding a repo |
| 14:46.31 | javispedro | face falls |
| 14:46.34 | X-Fade | javispedro: So, have a nice website with deb links. (Which we intend to add in MeeGo Apps) |
| 14:46.45 | X-Fade | ShadowJK: Dependencies are easy. |
| 14:46.51 | X-Fade | if the repo is added :) |
| 14:47.03 | javispedro | and, can we add the repo via a .deb? =) |
| 14:47.16 | X-Fade | Ahd of course that is what the installer app should do. |
| 14:47.24 | gri_ | Maybe a repo editor shows up when you enable dev mode? (no clue) |
| 14:47.29 | X-Fade | For our apps client. |
| 14:47.56 | javispedro | or we register an url handler =) |
| 14:47.59 | ShadowJK | X-Fade, so you have one deb which contains some magic sed scripts to add the repo, and then a second click to install the actual program? |
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| 14:48.07 | javispedro | an _install:_ url handler ;) |
| 14:48.24 | X-Fade | ShadowJK: No, that can be a postinstall for the App client itself? |
| 14:49.12 | Jaffa | javispedro: +1 |
| 14:49.20 | ShadowJK | Seems like easiest thing for a linux user would be to get root and then use apt-get? |
| 14:49.25 | ShadowJK | If you even can get root.. |
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| 14:49.48 | X-Fade | ShadowJK: that .004% of users that get that can use that too of course. |
| 14:50.05 | Jaffa | X-Fade: But I doubt "allow apps from untrusted sources" will be available in closed mode, and carriers may restrict to closed mode only. Which, if true, will mean I won't want to use apps.meego.com to reach the majority of users :-( |
| 14:50.08 | X-Fade | But a nice client helps :) |
| 14:50.42 | javispedro | ShadowJK: also, I'm not sure if apps installed via apt-get will be uninstallable from launcher |
| 14:51.02 | javispedro | (meaning, you either use settings package manager -- if it exists -- or apt-get uninstall) |
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| 14:51.03 | Choom | is that "closed mode" a signature dependent thing? |
| 14:51.20 | X-Fade | Jaffa: I think this open mode is something else then developer mode. |
| 14:52.02 | Jaffa | X-Fade: More stuff to investigate |
| 14:52.09 | javispedro | needs to commute, cya. |
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| 14:52.27 | Choom | I never buy carrier locked phones anyway, so it doesn't bother me |
| 14:52.56 | Jaffa | Choom: Neither do I anymore, but as an application developer it worries me. |
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| 14:53.04 | Choom | plus I can perfectly understand the decision of app provider lockdown |
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| 14:53.22 | Choom | or lock-in |
| 14:53.36 | Jaffa | Ditto. But that doesn't mean I don't want to understand the ramifications. |
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| 14:53.58 | Jaffa | If only people in open mode will be able to use my app, I'll use apps.meego.com for MeeGo 1.2 CE and Ovi for Harmattan. |
| 14:54.23 | X-Fade | I haven't seen any indications that this will be limited. |
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| 14:54.52 | Choom | for nokia's own sake it better be |
| 14:55.05 | Choom | 50% of apple's profit comes from the iphone |
| 14:55.19 | Choom | I doubt nokia would pass on the opportunity to tap into something like that |
| 14:55.30 | Jaffa | Choom: ? |
| 14:55.41 | Jaffa | X-Fade: "this"? |
| 14:55.56 | X-Fade | Jaffa: Install from one source only. |
| 14:56.00 | Jaffa | X-Fade: Installing arbitrary debs with the power to do anything is *exactly* what Aegis is designed to prevent |
| 14:56.10 | Choom | by forcing people to distribute over ovi store they encourage users to use it, and potentially, developers to charge for apps, which in turn results in profit for nokia |
| 14:56.28 | X-Fade | Jaffa: Mostly for replacing system things. |
| 14:56.47 | crashanddie | Choom, half of Apple's *revenue* comes from the iPhone sales (not applications, and *not* profit) |
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| 14:57.25 | ShadowJK | qgil said a "third party" could provide Korean support. I wonder how that is done if you can't replace system things :-) |
| 14:57.41 | Choom | I thought that figure also included the app store |
| 14:57.43 | DocScrutinizer | LOL |
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| 14:58.11 | Jaffa | ShadowJK: There are defined extension points |
| 14:58.19 | X-Fade | ShadowJK: It's called a plugin :) |
| 14:58.29 | ShadowJK | Well that'd be a first |
| 14:58.44 | X-Fade | ShadowJK: Nah, locales have always been that way. |
| 14:59.25 | jonwil | dbus_g_proxy_connect_signal is an extremely annoying API :P |
| 14:59.26 | ShadowJK | Well you need input too, fonts, and configuring fontconfig so you don't get chinese or japanese... |
| 14:59.47 | X-Fade | ShadowJK: Input methods have always had support for plugins. |
| 15:01.37 | ShadowJK | How about subtitle support in video? :-) |
| 15:03.22 | HRH_H_Crab | 11:51:46 < HRH_H_Crab> i have a slightly odd problem. All my audio files seem to be using an icon cached from somewhere. does anyone know how i can reset that behaviour? |
| 15:03.29 | HRH_H_Crab | ^ anyone able to assist from that? |
| 15:03.56 | HRH_H_Crab | the icon originated from metadata inside an mp3 but it now seems to be used for all mp3s (maybe flacs too) |
| 15:04.23 | ShadowJK | are those mp3s in the same folder? |
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| 15:05.25 | HRH_H_Crab | ShadowJK: yes |
| 15:05.40 | HRH_H_Crab | but the original file that contained the icon is long gone. |
| 15:05.54 | HRH_H_Crab | so it seems to have been cached somewhere mysterious. |
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| 15:14.06 | nikkk0 | modest works again. |
| 15:14.28 | nikkk0 | anyone experienced trouble for upload/sharing picture to facebook? |
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| 15:40.16 | crashanddie | yes, the TOS fuck you over completely. |
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| 15:48.15 | jonwil | refuses to have a Facebook account for that very reason |
| 15:48.41 | jonwil | watching "the social network" made me even less likely to get one |
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| 15:54.29 | ruskie | jonwil, you actually watched it? |
| 15:54.42 | jonwil | yes I did |
| 15:54.46 | jonwil | went to the cinema to see it |
| 15:54.51 | jonwil | wasnt that bad actually |
| 15:54.59 | alterego | Yeah, it was okay .. |
| 15:55.09 | alterego | I watched it a couple of weeks ago actually. |
| 15:55.20 | ruskie | is happy he doesn't watch movies in general |
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| 15:56.02 | alterego | Pfft, movies are a great way to unwind :P |
| 15:56.14 | ruskie | anime, tv shows and watching game playthroughs for me ;) |
| 15:56.29 | alterego | now that sounds boring :P~ |
| 15:56.30 | ruskie | besides actually playing games |
| 15:57.19 | ruskie | http://www.youtube.com/DSPGaming <-- I tend to watch this guys playthroughs ;) |
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| 15:58.52 | ruskie | but then I always enjoyed watching people play games |
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| 16:14.53 | DocScrutinizer | probably not very different from watching a football or baseball match in TV :-P |
| 16:15.09 | ruskie | probably for some people |
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| 16:31.03 | Proteous | the freemans mind "playthroughs" are great |
| 16:31.16 | divan | tired of people which tell that Maemo/Meego is dead because it's open-source and no company pushes it. I've heard enough exactly the same words 10 years ago about Linux in general. |
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| 16:31.20 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: (massive lag) you used to be able to remove modest - in PR1.1? times. |
| 16:31.37 | SpeedEvil | is reading backscroll |
| 16:31.52 | ruskie | is wondering when someone will make a good mail client for maemo |
| 16:35.24 | alterego | ruskie: what's maemo? :P |
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| 16:36.10 | strohhalm | ruskie: the best i have seen is kmail (touch) |
| 16:36.16 | ruskie | alterego, or port something usable from meego if there is... |
| 16:36.30 | alterego | ruskie: not used the mail client :/ |
| 16:36.45 | alterego | in meego ce .. |
| 16:37.09 | ruskie | strohhalm, where can one get that? |
| 16:37.40 | strohhalm | its included in kdepim-mobile or so |
| 16:38.14 | strohhalm | http://userbase.kde.org/Kontact_Touch/Maemo5 |
| 16:38.49 | ruskie | thanks |
| 16:38.57 | strohhalm | np |
| 16:39.22 | strohhalm | qt have some bugs, (3month ago) but all in all its usable |
| 16:40.18 | ruskie | does it integrate with the maemo address book and stuff? |
| 16:42.15 | rm_work | i use Modest (I guess? whatever the default is) and it works alright for my non-complicated needs (a couple Gmail accounts and one personal IMAP server account_ |
| 16:42.15 | rm_work | ) |
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| 16:45.03 | strohhalm | ruskie: no, have its own pim stuff :( |
| 16:45.18 | ruskie | :( |
| 16:45.31 | strohhalm | had not the time to look how to integrate |
| 16:45.38 | strohhalm | but it can gpg/smime |
| 16:45.52 | strohhalm | threads in mail and such stuff |
| 16:46.01 | merlin1991 | Hm is the n900 cpu temp anywhere readable? |
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| 16:58.17 | nikkk0 | hi |
| 16:58.40 | nikkk0 | does sharing/upload pictures to facebook works on your side ? |
| 16:58.41 | nikkk0 | :) |
| 16:59.55 | nikkk0 | or am the only one to get account error? |
| 17:02.49 | RST38h | Moo? |
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| 17:03.48 | nikkk0 | :) |
| 17:08.45 | MohammadAG | nikkk0, sociality will have photo uploads in the next version |
| 17:08.55 | DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: no, as there's no working sensor in silicon |
| 17:08.58 | MohammadAG | either wait for it or build the latest version from git |
| 17:09.23 | MohammadAG | merlin1991, desoler the cpu, make a hole, solder it back, plug a thermometer inside |
| 17:09.44 | merlin1991 | lol :P |
| 17:10.07 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: :-D |
| 17:10.40 | nikkk0 | MohammadAG: Is it a way to say sharing + facebook didnt work for long time ? |
| 17:11.04 | nikkk0 | can give a look @ git |
| 17:11.16 | DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: why would you want to now cpu temperature anyway? |
| 17:11.23 | DocScrutinizer | know* |
| 17:11.32 | ruskie | so that he couldy fry eggs on it ;) |
| 17:11.32 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: curious? |
| 17:12.36 | MohammadAG | nikkk0, it works for me (built in plugin) |
| 17:12.43 | merlin1991 | Well I like to check cpu temps when I do insane things |
| 17:12.53 | DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: well, there's something in sysfs, but it's kinda off, broken, and rather unclear what's the actual meaning of the sensor at all. Just for curiosity it will work almost as good as /dev/random does |
| 17:13.12 | nikkk0 | MohammadAG: ok :/ then i'm damned again heh |
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| 17:14.15 | MohammadAG | nikkk0, delete the account and remake it |
| 17:14.41 | nikkk0 | MohammadAG: i wish i could :D |
| 17:14.47 | nikkk0 | but i cant even add one ! |
| 17:15.10 | DocScrutinizer | cat /sys/devices/platform/omap34xx_temp/temp1_input |
| 17:15.13 | nikkk0 | im stuck in the sharing parameters trying to add my own l/p then it tells account error ... |
| 17:15.46 | DocScrutinizer | sometimes you can get a reading that might kinda rightish |
| 17:16.18 | DocScrutinizer | sometimes you get an obviously locked never changing value |
| 17:16.25 | DocScrutinizer | sometimes you get mere random |
| 17:16.27 | rm_work | nikkk0: how recently have you updated your system? |
| 17:16.29 | ruskie | hmm 38... that could remotely be the right temp |
| 17:16.42 | nikkk0 | rm_work: last week? |
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| 17:16.54 | RST38h | http://communities-dominate.blogs.com/brands/2011/06/will-the-real-stephen-elop-please-stand-up.html |
| 17:17.06 | rm_work | there was a bug for a while where the newer facebook integration plugin wouldn't actually update from the GUI updater, you need to go into a console and do apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 17:17.08 | RST38h | probably just dramatic bullshit though |
| 17:17.13 | RST38h | still, amusing |
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| 17:17.41 | rm_work | nikkk0: if it lists anything that looks like it might be related, install the update from the console with apt, and reboot |
| 17:18.02 | rm_work | but that was a bug quite a while ago, not sure if it is still a problem |
| 17:18.18 | RST38h | and moo, rm_me |
| 17:18.22 | rm_work | yo RST38h |
| 17:18.38 | nikkk0 | hmm i should be up2date |
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| 17:18.47 | nikkk0 | installed/reinstalled *fb* many times |
| 17:18.57 | rm_work | just check |
| 17:19.00 | nikkk0 | ok last step is to sniff traffic |
| 17:19.08 | nikkk0 | see what goes on |
| 17:19.12 | rm_work | console apt != HAM |
| 17:19.22 | rm_work | srsly |
| 17:20.36 | nikkk0 | yeah u ment apt right? |
| 17:20.52 | nikkk0 | thats what i did |
| 17:21.01 | nikkk0 | also tried last ver from ovistore |
| 17:21.07 | rm_work | k |
| 17:21.08 | nikkk0 | lets try |
| 17:21.25 | rm_work | otherwise, no problems here with current default facebook integration |
| 17:21.32 | rm_work | at least last time i checked, can try again |
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| 17:22.19 | nikkk0 | :) |
| 17:22.31 | nikkk0 | well if u have time and dont mind pls |
| 17:22.48 | rm_work | testing |
| 17:23.04 | rm_work | looks to be working |
| 17:23.08 | rm_work | is uploading now |
| 17:23.22 | nikkk0 | ok thanks for confirmation |
| 17:23.23 | nikkk0 | :) |
| 17:23.35 | rm_work | yep, sent |
| 17:24.40 | rm_work | i think it's feedservice-plugin-fb ? |
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| 17:24.49 | nikkk0 | can be |
| 17:24.55 | nikkk0 | lets try to reinstall it |
| 17:25.01 | rm_work | or -common |
| 17:25.26 | rm_work | or sharing-service-facebook or rtcom-accounts-plugin-facebook |
| 17:25.37 | nikkk0 | heh theres so many :p |
| 17:25.40 | rm_work | yeah |
| 17:25.49 | rm_work | rtcom maybe if you're having problems just with account setup |
| 17:25.58 | DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: anyway you must *not* rely on the readings from that cpu temp thing for any purposes like e.g. overclocking or other nonsense, as it's not really the max temp of the CPU's hotspots |
| 17:26.09 | DocScrutinizer | even when it seems to work |
| 17:26.51 | SpeedEvil | merlin1991: The temp sensor in the omap is deprecated. |
| 17:26.59 | SpeedEvil | It doesn't work on many/most devices. |
| 17:27.05 | SpeedEvil | It may have worked on old silicon. |
| 17:27.09 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: I'm not even thinking about oc |
| 17:28.17 | rm_work | wait |
| 17:28.34 | rm_work | if there's no temp sensor in the hardware, how does it have a temp sensor that's even SLIGHTLY accurate? |
| 17:28.42 | rm_work | does it try to guess somehow? |
| 17:28.44 | SpeedEvil | There is a temperature sensor. |
| 17:28.53 | SpeedEvil | It doesn't work properly, so the makers have said don't use. |
| 17:29.16 | rm_work | oh, gotcha, i guess he did say "no WORKING sensor" |
| 17:29.30 | DocScrutinizer | obody said there's none. I said there's not really any |
| 17:29.35 | rm_work | so there is a sensor in all of the boards, it just doesn't work. awesome >_> |
| 17:29.37 | nikkk0 | hmm same error |
| 17:29.45 | nikkk0 | ok lets sniff |
| 17:29.50 | SpeedEvil | There is a sensor on all of the battery monitoring chips which works. |
| 17:29.55 | SpeedEvil | But it's not very close to the CPU |
| 17:30.04 | SpeedEvil | Probably also one in the cellmo and GPS. |
| 17:30.10 | RST38h | Compal will produce first Nokia WP7 phone |
| 17:30.11 | rm_work | lol |
| 17:30.14 | nikkk0 | heh |
| 17:30.18 | DocScrutinizer | [2011-06-27 19:08:54] <DocScrutinizer> merlin1991: no, as there's no working sensor in silicon |
| 17:30.22 | rm_work | and THOSE work. but not the CPU sensor (the one that matters)? |
| 17:30.27 | RST38h | remember how I said that wp7 phone will bre a relabelled HTC? ;) |
| 17:30.27 | nikkk0 | wireshark start faster on my n900 than on my laptop :) |
| 17:30.37 | rm_work | DocScrutinizer: yeah, as i said, i misread :P |
| 17:30.41 | SpeedEvil | The CPU temperature should not matter, as you can't cause it to get hot enough to matter |
| 17:30.45 | SpeedEvil | In principle. |
| 17:31.50 | rm_work | yeah and i guess there isn't much you could do if it did get hot besides shut it off or underclock it.... as there is no fan speed to control |
| 17:32.06 | DocScrutinizer | if you could, then the design were flawed |
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| 17:33.11 | nikkk0 | so it query api.facebook.com do the tls handshake |
| 17:33.22 | nikkk0 | then heh im blind |
| 17:34.47 | derf | RST38h: The sad thing is many of those statements actually are consistent with each other. |
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| 17:35.29 | npm | How does one find out about the status of Nokia developer launchpad application? Sent in application but haven't seen any response or acknowledgement that it was even received... |
| 17:36.24 | Khertan__ | npw : and you can't edit |
| 17:36.28 | Khertan__ | and pressing return have validate my forms |
| 17:36.31 | RST38h | derf: yes, that is why the article is mostly bullshit |
| 17:36.43 | Khertan__ | so one line of stupid description |
| 17:36.47 | Khertan__ | i ll not got it :( |
| 17:36.52 | RST38h | derf:the guy's butt is hurting so he is reading toomuch into things |
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| 17:38.47 | rm_work | Khertan__: you should probably have signed up via the meego site, not via launchpad, no? |
| 17:39.03 | rm_work | Khertan__: launchpad was for commercial developers and such I thought, according to qgil |
| 17:39.25 | rm_work | Khertan__: OSS devs were expected to sign up via meego device program |
| 17:39.31 | rm_work | which is editable |
| 17:39.34 | rm_work | :) |
| 17:39.39 | GeneralAntilles | and only has 250 devices |
| 17:39.50 | rm_work | truth |
| 17:40.04 | rm_work | sooooooo nevermind, too bad, guess you missed out T_T |
| 17:40.19 | GeneralAntilles | Deadline is tomorrow. |
| 17:40.23 | rm_work | is it? |
| 17:40.25 | rm_work | lol |
| 17:40.33 | rm_work | wonder how many applications they have so far |
| 17:40.42 | rm_work | did anyone post an estimate? |
| 17:40.50 | rm_work | like 4000? |
| 17:40.59 | GeneralAntilles | 400 a couple days ago |
| 17:41.02 | GeneralAntilles | probably over 500 by now. |
| 17:41.06 | rm_work | 500 isn't bad |
| 17:41.17 | rm_work | probably quite a few of those will be trivial to sort out |
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| 17:41.39 | rm_work | i wonder how many legitimate requests there are |
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| 17:42.09 | rm_work | i suppose it's possible there are actually 300-400 legit :/ which would be unfortunate |
| 17:42.30 | rm_work | i want to try to do something like lcuk's sketch for brightness changing |
| 17:42.40 | rm_work | and i never got scheduling implemented |
| 17:43.10 | GeneralAntilles | sighs at MeeGo.com's broken freaking login setup. |
| 17:43.26 | rm_work | thinking something fairly simple, like "at 8:15pm, switch to brightness 30" and "at 9:30am switch to brightness 127" |
| 17:43.36 | rm_work | what is broken about it? |
| 17:43.39 | GeneralAntilles | Do it with ALS input, though. |
| 17:43.45 | GeneralAntilles | I'm logged in at the main site |
| 17:43.47 | RST38h | is it usabke? |
| 17:43.53 | RST38h | usable |
| 17:43.55 | GeneralAntilles | but not logged in on the wiki/forum/bugzilla/whatever |
| 17:43.58 | rm_work | ALS? |
| 17:44.00 | GeneralAntilles | so you have to logout at the main site |
| 17:44.04 | GeneralAntilles | and log back in for them to work. |
| 17:44.08 | GeneralAntilles | Ambient Light Sensor |
| 17:44.10 | RST38h | also, can't the builtin light sensor logic handle the same use case? |
| 17:44.11 | rm_work | lol |
| 17:44.13 | rm_work | yeah |
| 17:44.15 | GeneralAntilles | So, rather than specifying specific levels. |
| 17:44.23 | rm_work | maybe an option |
| 17:44.30 | GeneralAntilles | "Switch to Low at sunset, Switch to High at sunrise" |
| 17:44.35 | rm_work | erm |
| 17:44.48 | rm_work | except that would probably just be really annoying |
| 17:45.04 | rm_work | as it switches the brightness all over the place when you cover bits with your hand, etc |
| 17:45.08 | rm_work | but maybe |
| 17:45.24 | rm_work | i mean, unless it is REALLY dark, i like my device to be at 127 |
| 17:45.37 | rm_work | but i can always give the option |
| 17:45.38 | rm_work | so |
| 17:45.40 | GeneralAntilles | I generally find the ALS useful. |
| 17:46.34 | rm_work | trigger: "Time" and select a time value, or "Light Sensor" and select "becomes greater than" and a value, or "becomes less than" and a value |
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| 17:46.43 | rm_work | result: select a brightness value |
| 17:46.47 | rm_work | easy enough |
| 17:46.49 | Khertan_n900 | [19:41] <Khertan__> rm_work i signed for both : if i got one from launchpad i ll be for doing commercial appn[19:41] <Khertan__> if i got one from meego it ll be for doing foss apps |
| 17:46.53 | rm_work | i have a basic idea of the UI |
| 17:47.00 | rm_work | but if you want to sketch one :P |
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| 17:47.14 | rm_work | Khertan_n900: ah |
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| 17:59.41 | nikkk0 | xah god |
| 17:59.44 | nikkk0 | worked |
| 18:00.07 | nikkk0 | fbook share account created :p |
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| 18:05.24 | nikkk0 | ah rox |
| 18:05.29 | nikkk0 | :) |
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| 18:10.53 | ruskie | hmm someone should borrow the kmail-mobile UI and graft it on something like a mobile claws-mail |
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| 18:13.12 | Khertan_n900 | test |
| 18:13.26 | ruskie | eeeeeccc... error... test failed! |
| 18:13.35 | Khertan_n900 | :) |
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| 18:16.16 | Khertan_n900 | it ll be time to replace my n900 |
| 18:16.26 | ruskie | why |
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| 18:16.42 | pauly_ | hi n900 people |
| 18:17.02 | pauly_ | anything new and exciting for n900 |
| 18:17.06 | pauly_ | ? |
| 18:17.07 | Khertan_n900 | screen sensibility is broken on half of the screen, battery is dying ... and usb failed to charge or being detected by computer |
| 18:17.28 | ruskie | :( |
| 18:18.05 | Khertan_n900 | yep |
| 18:18.13 | pauly_ | is there anything amazing to install as a widget thats requires no editing? |
| 18:18.24 | pauly_ | something to show off |
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| 18:20.04 | rm_work | nikkk0: what fixed it |
| 18:21.02 | rm_work | pauly_: gas-balls or something like that is supposedly cool |
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| 18:38.35 | rm_work | nikkk0: what fixed it |
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| 18:44.04 | C-S-B | I'm such an idiot. |
| 18:44.10 | C-S-B | I just rm -r in /opt |
| 18:44.12 | C-S-B | :| |
| 18:44.56 | hiemanshu | C-S-B: I have done that too, more than once :P |
| 18:45.23 | C-S-B | anyway to get that back without a flash? |
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| 18:46.22 | GeneralAntilles | rm_work, up for another video viral marketing campaign for the N9? |
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| 18:49.22 | rm_work | GeneralAntilles: lol, sure, sup? |
| 18:49.49 | GeneralAntilles | rm_work, I'm thinking that given Elop's doing everything in his power to chop the N9 off at the knees. |
| 18:50.00 | GeneralAntilles | Our response should be some community-sourced marketing. |
| 18:50.14 | rm_work | hrm |
| 18:50.18 | rm_work | that'd actually be really cool\ |
| 18:50.38 | rm_work | though part of me thinks that even if it did really well they wouldn't acknowlege it as the cause |
| 18:50.40 | rm_work | and would still be dumb |
| 18:50.43 | rm_work | but whatever |
| 18:50.47 | rm_work | it could be worth a shot |
| 18:50.49 | GAN900 | Counter Elop |
| 18:50.57 | GAN900 | Counter Intel's cohort of fools |
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| 18:51.13 | RST38h | General: Wrong |
| 18:51.35 | GAN900 | The blogosphere seems to be behind the N9 |
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| 18:51.35 | rm_work | so we'd need a good idea |
| 18:51.35 | RST38h | General: You can'tmarket something Nokia will refuse to produce or support |
| 18:51.35 | RST38h | Want a better idea? |
| 18:51.41 | GAN900 | Kill ourselves. |
| 18:51.55 | RST38h | No |
| 18:51.58 | rm_work | GeneralAntilles: I'd be up for at least trying |
| 18:52.09 | RST38h | Do our own UI based on QML |
| 18:52.32 | GAN900 | RST38h, there's the other half |
| 18:52.37 | RST38h | Run it on top of Meego, on some generic non-Nokia hw used to run Android |
| 18:52.45 | GAN900 | Early CSSU-type work |
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| 18:55.47 | alterego | Making sure I'm building in i18n support into the new Columbus UX from the start .. |
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| 19:07.26 | DocScrutinizer | rm_work: ( trigger: "Time" and select a time value, or "Light Sensor" and select "becomes greater than" and ) check out dwimd app |
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| 19:12.30 | DocScrutinizer | GAN900: I suggested some similar campaign a few days ago: step one: council declares free mameo/meego >>WE WILL SUPPORT IT, EVEN IF ELOP SENDS HIS KILLERS" |
| 19:12.47 | DocScrutinizer | *WE* are MEEGO |
| 19:13.22 | DocScrutinizer | and we will bring meego on every goddamn winp7 device Nokia dares to rollout |
| 19:13.30 | Sc0rpius | we who? |
| 19:13.40 | DocScrutinizer | doesn't matter |
| 19:13.57 | alterego | Anon :P |
| 19:14.11 | Sc0rpius | do you remember what happened to that OS that was in just one device? |
| 19:14.17 | Sc0rpius | hint: it starts with M and ends with aemo |
| 19:14.20 | DocScrutinizer | the less Elp can target a specific group, the more into the blue are his evil shots aginst meego |
| 19:14.58 | Sc0rpius | if Meego doesn't start appearing in several devices (Nokia or not) then it's dead already |
| 19:15.20 | Sc0rpius | but one thing happened in these past last days |
| 19:15.28 | DocScrutinizer | stock markets appreciated N9, users appreciated it. Now Trollop said "we won't continue even if it would succeed" |
| 19:15.40 | Sc0rpius | normal people (not geek) started to pay more attention to the N9 than a possible Windows Nokia phone. |
| 19:15.45 | Sc0rpius | exactly |
| 19:15.46 | Sc0rpius | that's my point |
| 19:15.51 | Sc0rpius | but Elop seems to ignore that |
| 19:15.59 | DocScrutinizer | we can counteract it by explaining WE *will* continue on meego |
| 19:16.20 | Sc0rpius | how can a DECENT board of directors of a DECENT company allow such comments like "I will abandon it even if it make us billionaires" |
| 19:17.29 | DocScrutinizer | he's got nothing to lose, his M$ portfolio is ~3.5nio$ I heard |
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| 19:17.55 | SpeedEvil | He dumped it in favour of nokia stock reportedly |
| 19:17.56 | DocScrutinizer | and *Nokia asked him* to do that job aiui |
| 19:18.19 | alterego | They did, they gave him a lot of money to get him on board, apparently .. |
| 19:18.20 | DocScrutinizer | haha |
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| 19:18.39 | alterego | Makes you wonder if there wasn't a (make it look like you're getting him on board, but when we do this deal we'll give you 8billion) |
| 19:19.59 | DocScrutinizer | idly wonders if MWKN is worth a glance |
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| 19:32.24 | DocScrutinizer | contrutzie perfecsii ;-) first time I seem to understand 2 words at least when watching http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6U8jH_apD2k |
| 19:34.48 | ruskie | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/06/27/microsoft_patent_android/ <-- another one bites the dust |
| 19:37.07 | ruskie | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/06/27/mission_impossible_mouse_attack/ <-- heh |
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| 19:50.16 | GeneralAntilles | Somebody title my MeeGo and Harmattan thread. |
| 19:50.23 | GeneralAntilles | MeeGo and Harmattan: ... |
| 19:50.33 | GeneralAntilles | Something about making a confusing situation less so. |
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| 19:54.08 | ShadowJK | MeeGo, MeegoCE, Harmattan, Maemo6, Swipe, Swype, Skype: Idiot's guide to confusing names |
| 19:55.34 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 19:57.04 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: "MeeGo and Harmattan: Clearing a path" |
| 19:57.14 | GeneralAntilles | Nice. |
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| 20:02.31 | MohammadAG | GeneralAntilles, MeeGo and Harmattan, the only reason contraception methods should be used |
| 20:02.46 | Khertan_n130 | gnié ? |
| 20:02.46 | MohammadAG | you have to admit, that's a good title |
| 20:03.10 | Jaffa | WTF?! Qt Creator's stopped producing executables in the right place. <sigh/> |
| 20:03.38 | Khertan_n130 | Jaffa: does it produce executale before ? ... |
| 20:03.39 | Khertan_n130 | ;Ã |
| 20:03.43 | Khertan_n130 | :) |
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| 20:07.10 | GeneralAntilles | never considered sjgadsby the disappearancing type. http://twitter.com/#!/sjgadsby/status/85436690470150144 |
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| 20:11.34 | Jaffa | Khertan_n130: Seems to |
| 20:11.58 | Khertan_n130 | ;) |
| 20:13.51 | GeneralAntilles | "Does 'viral marketing campaign for the N9' equal 'giving Elop swine flu'?" |
| 20:15.06 | DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: nice MWKN :-D |
| 20:15.20 | GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer, now go thumb it up on Planet. |
| 20:15.52 | DocScrutinizer | err, I have to think if I know what you're talking about |
| 20:16.13 | GeneralAntilles | planet.maemo.org |
| 20:16.19 | GeneralAntilles | How do you upvote posts on planet.meego.com? |
| 20:16.39 | DocScrutinizer | me? |
| 20:17.12 | GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer, yes, go to planet.maemo.org and click the thumbs up next to the mwkn post. :P |
| 20:17.12 | DocScrutinizer | planet.x.y sounds to me like tle little bitching sister of tmo |
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| 20:17.51 | DocScrutinizer | well, I'll give it a try |
| 20:17.53 | GeneralAntilles | It's a news/blog aggregator. |
| 20:18.06 | DocScrutinizer | don't think I ever visited that URL |
| 20:18.08 | GeneralAntilles | mwkn sans the commentary and editorial interference. |
| 20:18.27 | DocScrutinizer | i.e. basically useless |
| 20:18.39 | GeneralAntilles | Eh, it's good for the stuff we don't cover. |
| 20:18.49 | GeneralAntilles | and good to get it before we manage to get the issue out. ;) |
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| 20:22.26 | DocScrutinizer | had a thing called planet.openmoko.org, same cruft |
| 20:22.57 | DocScrutinizer | plus I *had to log in* :-o No SSO? |
| 20:23.15 | GeneralAntilles | Promised for years |
| 20:23.18 | GeneralAntilles | never resulted in much |
| 20:23.42 | DocScrutinizer | anyway, voted, done. KTNXBYE |
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| 20:33.22 | GeneralAntilles | http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?p=23742 <- Jaffa |
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| 20:38.14 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: Cool |
| 20:39.04 | alterego | So, tomorrow is the DDP deadline, I'm doing my part, are you? |
| 20:39.21 | alterego | <Would you like to know more> |
| 20:39.28 | Jaffa | alterego: The end of today is the DDP deadline, presumably in either Finnish or Californian time ;-) |
| 20:39.32 | Jaffa | alterego: :) |
| 20:39.49 | Jaffa | "Find out how to fight the bugs with QML. <would you like to know more?>" |
| 20:40.38 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: Your sig's a bit out-dated on the forum |
| 20:40.40 | alterego | Heh |
| 20:40.46 | alterego | I've made some good prog |
| 20:40.59 | alterego | progress with Columbus QML Ux :) |
| 20:41.21 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, goes to show how much I post there. |
| 20:41.26 | GeneralAntilles | Though I still have the cloak here, too. |
| 20:41.47 | alterego | Just need to port a couple more widgets and the views are done, got translation support in from the get go this time, next stop is creating the UI menu system. |
| 20:42.22 | Jaffa | alterego: Cool. I'm nearly done with Attitude's first pass - for Maemo 5, Harmattan and Symbian. |
| 20:42.25 | javispedro | what? but I am yet to fill my application!! |
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| 20:42.30 | Jaffa | Need to get spare N900 back for MeeGo CE testing |
| 20:42.31 | javispedro | oh, I did already =) |
| 20:42.50 | mece | Jaffa, hey |
| 20:43.12 | Jaffa | is also *convinced* it'll be possible to use Qt Creator to transparently drive Scratchbox. Speed of native, but ease of IDE |
| 20:43.20 | mece | Jaffa, I seem to be suffering from a non working qemu. Is there a step I missed to get that thing running? |
| 20:43.32 | alterego | Jaffa: Yeah, using QML will open Columbus up to Symbian, MeeGo, updated Maemo5 and Harmattan |
| 20:43.42 | Jaffa | mece: Make sure that the Qt version is set to Qt SDK, rather than Platform |
| 20:43.55 | mece | Jaffa, ok.. checking |
| 20:44.02 | javispedro | Jaffa: I've read something about that on the blogosphere -- seemingly you can already do by just doing a few shell script wrappers |
| 20:44.12 | javispedro | (Qt Creator driving Sbox) |
| 20:44.14 | alterego | Harmattan scratchbox sdk runs like scht on my machine :/ |
| 20:44.23 | Jaffa | mece: http://www.johanpaul.com/blog/2011/06/what-is-the-developer-story-for-the-nokia-n9/#comment-235155185 |
| 20:44.23 | mece | Jaffa, it's "harmattan api platform |
| 20:44.25 | alterego | The UX seems fine, but apps are horrible. |
| 20:44.52 | Jaffa | javispedro: I read something on johanpaul.com but didn't seem to have everything wired up. If someone's already written the scripts, great! |
| 20:45.06 | Jaffa | alterego: At least they start. On qemu, even with hardware GL, the UX is slow and the apps don't start. |
| 20:45.34 | alterego | Lame :/ looks like I'll be having to wait to do on device testing, as always ... |
| 20:45.42 | Jaffa | Yup |
| 20:45.49 | javispedro | apps don't start because applauncherd is down for some reason |
| 20:45.57 | javispedro | if it's happening to all of us, we need to file a bug |
| 20:45.57 | Jaffa | Ah |
| 20:46.06 | javispedro | I thought it was due to my "manipulation" |
| 20:46.10 | Jaffa | It's definitely affecting qemu, but it's difficult to know if that's the problem. |
| 20:46.19 | javispedro | Jaffa: just grep for applauncherd =) |
| 20:46.29 | javispedro | I mean, psax|grep applauncher |
| 20:46.32 | Jaffa | javispedro: With what? No terminal ;-p |
| 20:46.41 | javispedro | mad remote shell iirc |
| 20:46.42 | Jaffa | javispedro: ould add it to my postinst or something |
| 20:46.48 | Jaffa | javispedro: Really? Hmm. |
| 20:46.59 | Venemo | 'killall applauncherd' |
| 20:47.11 | Venemo | (wild guess) |
| 20:47.57 | alterego | Where are the instructions for setting up qemu? |
| 20:48.06 | javispedro | note thought that trvially starting it up from 'user' didn't produce any output, and applications then failed with EPERM -- but then I didn't test any longer |
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| 20:48.23 | alterego | javispedro: did you tell me the other day that the scratchbox installer downloads the harmattan qemu rootfs? |
| 20:48.36 | MohammadAG | javispedro, I'm guessing qemu works in the same way as the armel target? |
| 20:48.37 | javispedro | alterego: not sbx, the other one. |
| 20:49.13 | javispedro | MohammadAG: quite different; what we understand by qemu in this context is system-qemu, which does complete emulation and runs a arm linux kernel |
| 20:49.20 | mece | hmm apparently qemu crashes .. |
| 20:49.43 | javispedro | MohammadAG: otoh, sbox armel target does just user emulation, the arm kernel is not executed at all, system calls are handled by your x86 kernel with some magic. |
| 20:50.04 | javispedro | so system-qemu is way more accurate, but also way more slow. |
| 20:50.05 | lcuk | Jaffa, what was the issues with attitude you have needed to tweak |
| 20:50.05 | alterego | javispedro: the qt sdk? |
| 20:50.09 | javispedro | alterego: yep |
| 20:50.20 | alterego | Oh, where does it stick that then? |
| 20:50.25 | javispedro | alterego: ensure you choose everything about harmattan in experimental options when installing |
| 20:50.39 | alterego | Oh, I did :) |
| 20:50.45 | javispedro | alterego: on my box it shoved everything on /opt/QtSDK/Madde |
| 20:50.47 | alterego | No wonder it took 2G :D |
| 20:51.06 | Jaffa | lcuk: Being happy with the code structure; trying to auto-detect when Qt Quick Components is available (failed); getting rid of grey bar on Harmattan |
| 20:51.19 | javispedro | just run QtSDK/Madde/bin/mad remote -r rx71-harmattan-1122 poweron |
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| 20:51.27 | lcuk | Jaffa, you have a greybar? |
| 20:51.37 | javispedro | hey lcuk, have I congratulated you already? :D |
| 20:51.42 | Jaffa | lcuk: According to Quim. |
| 20:52.04 | Jaffa | lcuk: Not sure I remember seeing it consistently in the SDK |
| 20:52.04 | lcuk | not sure javispedro there has been a flood of wellwishers :D |
| 20:52.06 | lcuk | it is amazing feeling actually |
| 20:52.42 | alterego | javispedro: cool, thanks |
| 20:53.01 | alterego | Jaffa's going toa greybar? |
| 20:53.33 | Jaffa | alterego: For us old fogies to hang out and discuss cottaging in the Cotswalds |
| 20:53.39 | Jaffa | s/walds/wolds/ |
| 20:53.54 | alterego | Heh |
| 20:53.56 | lcuk | Jaffa, you need hair to go there |
| 20:53.58 | javispedro | lcuk: congratulations again :D! also Finlay is a great name :) |
| 20:53.59 | alterego | Or the 770 days? |
| 20:54.06 | Jaffa | lcuk: :-p |
| 20:54.07 | lcuk | javispedro, :D |
| 20:54.39 | Jaffa | has noticed in a few of the N9 threads on forum.meego.com, e.g. the apps.meego.com one, that it's got that old feeling of talk.maemo.org/ITT back |
| 20:54.56 | javispedro | ah, this reminds me. |
| 20:55.10 | javispedro | I see there's a thread on TMO about creating N9 / N950 forums on TMO |
| 20:55.39 | Jaffa | Eugh |
| 20:55.50 | javispedro | reggie said something that could be summed up as "why? meego.com contains fine handset forum already" |
| 20:55.54 | javispedro | now my question is. |
| 20:56.02 | MohammadAG | I have a gray bar in sociality too |
| 20:56.13 | MohammadAG | if I use showFullsScreen(), it's not there |
| 20:56.13 | javispedro | when the N9 is released, are you sure forum.meego.com will be capable of handling all of TMO's trolls? |
| 20:56.16 | Jaffa | MohammadAG: Using MTF or Qt Quick Components? |
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| 20:56.23 | javispedro | remember those drove Stskeeps away from TMO =) |
| 20:56.29 | MohammadAG | Jaffa, QWidgets |
| 20:56.35 | Jaffa | javispedro: A year ago, the MeeGo Project said something like "not an end-user forum" |
| 20:56.37 | javispedro | where will he go when he's driven off f.m.o? =) |
| 20:56.46 | GeneralAntilles | javispedro, frankly I think that can be solved by more active moderator policing. |
| 20:57.00 | GeneralAntilles | Our problem at TMO was that we didn't account well for the influx of idiocy. |
| 20:57.06 | MohammadAG | well, when Maemo 5 came, Maemo and Moblin merged => MeeGo |
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| 20:57.11 | lcuk | Jaffa, a year ago you said maemo would not be here :P |
| 20:57.21 | lcuk | or words to that effect |
| 20:57.26 | GeneralAntilles | Since it had always been the tree house hangout for fun and interesting people, it never needed (nor did we really want) much intervention from moderators. |
| 20:57.33 | MohammadAG | so when MeeGo/Harmattan comes, it'll merge with Android, so Stskeeps will have a new place to stay :p |
| 20:57.34 | Jaffa | lcuk: I didn't; I said it depends what happens with MeeGo. And Harmattan was a year late :-p |
| 20:57.58 | lcuk | which window manager is harmattan running? |
| 20:58.14 | lcuk | tru Jaffa |
| 20:58.19 | javispedro | GeneralAntilles: have to agree there. |
| 20:58.33 | alterego | lcuk: meegotough |
| 20:58.38 | alterego | touch .. |
| 20:58.40 | javispedro | mcompositor technically |
| 20:58.45 | lcuk | meegotough sounds better |
| 20:58.48 | GeneralAntilles | abill_uk should've been banned the first week he registered. |
| 20:58.49 | lcuk | ruggedized version |
| 20:58.59 | javispedro | haha |
| 20:59.14 | mece | I'll try to reinstall the qemu bit and see if that helps.. |
| 20:59.41 | GeneralAntilles | If we can stomp out corruption quickly I think f.m.c will be just fine. |
| 20:59.58 | mece | GeneralAntilles, who's corrupted? |
| 21:00.10 | GeneralAntilles | mece, you. Are you ready for cleansing? |
| 21:00.19 | javispedro | GeneralAntilles: though I was thinking we could for once try a separate user vs developer forum |
| 21:00.36 | javispedro | but it might be too late already for f.m.c |
| 21:00.38 | GeneralAntilles | mece, the issue of TMO trolls potentially migrating to f.m.c |
| 21:00.38 | Jaffa | javispedro: Separate how? |
| 21:00.54 | Jaffa | would rather the sodding forum<->email bridge was finished. |
| 21:00.56 | mece | GeneralAntilles, haters gonna hate |
| 21:00.58 | GeneralAntilles | javispedro, Kathy might have some input there. :P |
| 21:01.07 | Jaffa | I've avoided two strong swear words in that sentence |
| 21:01.19 | javispedro | heh |
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| 21:01.37 | GeneralAntilles | OK, somebody explain paper.li to mee. |
| 21:01.43 | GeneralAntilles | It looks an awful lot like spam. |
| 21:02.01 | mece | GeneralAntilles, it aggregates the links in your feed |
| 21:02.01 | Atarii | hey, if I don't have a SIM inserted is there network related daemons I can disable? |
| 21:02.19 | Atarii | i.e. SMS-manager etc |
| 21:06.15 | MohammadAG | crashanddie, remember the thing we talked about once, did you ever get on with it? |
| 21:07.04 | mece | GeneralAntilles, Jaffa, trolls will be trolls, but perhaps we could have a developer area with very strict non-confrontational policies. User area has to be open imo. |
| 21:07.56 | GeneralAntilles | mece, open, definitely. |
| 21:08.11 | GeneralAntilles | But I think abuses of the forum goodwill need to be punished quickly and effectively. |
| 21:08.24 | GeneralAntilles | If you're posting all day about how everything and everyone involved in the project sux |
| 21:08.26 | GeneralAntilles | well, ban time. |
| 21:09.40 | alterego | GeneralAntilles: you should target board members with you new campaign ;) |
| 21:10.06 | alterego | If only we could get Nokia to say, keep producing fucking maemo handsets ... |
| 21:11.12 | alterego | It's quite frustrating |
| 21:11.17 | Jaffa | Yup |
| 21:11.19 | mece | GeneralAntilles, yep |
| 21:11.22 | mece | alterego, yep! |
| 21:11.26 | Jaffa | Maybe it will be less so in 18-24 months time |
| 21:11.46 | alterego | What would happen if Elop was to, /accidentally/ get involved in a car crash in some tunnel in france. |
| 21:12.03 | mece | GAAH!!! "Qemu finished with error: Exit code was 1." |
| 21:12.09 | javispedro | ok, that was funny. |
| 21:12.40 | mece | gives up |
| 21:12.54 | mece | alterego, elton john would sing at his funderal? |
| 21:13.00 | alterego | mece: hahah |
| 21:13.29 | Jaffa | alterego: Would he be christened the Prince of (Dark) Hearts? |
| 21:13.49 | alterego | Heh |
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| 21:14.16 | MohammadAG | alterego, why france though? :P |
| 21:14.22 | alterego | Seriously, we could arrange something for a lot less money than getting a company to do what we want ;) |
| 21:15.08 | mece | ahemm... aanyway |
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| 21:17.45 | mece | asdf |
| 21:18.28 | javispedro | kk |
| 21:18.31 | alterego | I know this guy, that'd make it look like an accident for about 5k EUR .. |
| 21:19.09 | MohammadAG | alterego, this channel is logged, just saying |
| 21:19.24 | javispedro | alterego: I'm sure he has on his will that after his death Nokia is to be sold to Nokla or similar |
| 21:19.31 | MohammadAG | before continuing this discussion, kick povbot :P |
| 21:19.33 | javispedro | alterego: so, forget. |
| 21:20.02 | javispedro | did I said sold? I meant given off as a present to Nokla. |
| 21:20.09 | javispedro | hm.. |
| 21:20.17 | alterego | Heh |
| 21:20.20 | javispedro | dualsim... |
| 21:20.33 | javispedro | hm... interesting.... where's that accident thing you were mentioning? |
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| 21:22.14 | mece | gary cole! |
| 21:22.42 | alterego | I bet he already gets quite a lot of hate mail and, erm, probably death threats. |
| 21:23.02 | javispedro | #maemo -- conspiring against selop! |
| 21:23.14 | mece | set the topic |
| 21:23.20 | alterego | Heh |
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| 21:28.08 | GeneralAntilles | I hate that you can't have capital letters in your username on MeeGo.com |
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| 21:29.38 | mece | GeneralAntilles, is there a bug for that? |
| 21:29.50 | GeneralAntilles | Dunno |
| 21:29.59 | GeneralAntilles | It's unlikely to be repairable now, though. |
| 21:30.09 | Sc0rpius | usernames shouldn't have capital letters globally |
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| 21:30.13 | Sc0rpius | email address, unix accounts, etc |
| 21:30.49 | GeneralAntilles | Sc0rpius, then you should clearly s/Sc0rpius/sc0rpius/g |
| 21:30.52 | mece | Sc0rpius, true |
| 21:30.56 | Sc0rpius | actually it's meego.com, it's just that your browser doesn't care if you type it MeeGo.com :P |
| 21:31.04 | GeneralAntilles | Um |
| 21:31.33 | GeneralAntilles | It's an old maemo.org branding thing. |
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| 21:31.53 | Sc0rpius | nicknames are like real names, they have to have capital letters |
| 21:31.58 | Sc0rpius | but my username is in lowercase: |
| 21:32.06 | Sc0rpius | [Sc0rpius] (~naikel@190.74.90.239): Hell was full, so I came back |
| 21:32.06 | GeneralAntilles | Thus my complaint. |
| 21:32.10 | Sc0rpius | see? |
| 21:32.14 | GeneralAntilles | Sorry for the imprecise language. . . . |
| 21:32.14 | Sc0rpius | username=naikel |
| 21:32.16 | alterego | GeneralAntilles: what we need is a professional grade UX designer ... |
| 21:32.24 | GeneralAntilles | wazd |
| 21:32.26 | GeneralAntilles | timsamoff |
| 21:32.37 | javispedro | both need an n9 |
| 21:32.41 | GeneralAntilles | aSIMULAtor |
| 21:32.46 | Sc0rpius | I need an N9 with keyboard |
| 21:33.29 | mece | alterego, for what? |
| 21:33.58 | alterego | mece: nothing in particular right now. |
| 21:34.45 | alterego | Just contemplating a new MeeGo UX, but I lack the, erm, experience to work on such a large design |
| 21:34.58 | javispedro | ANOTHER one |
| 21:35.12 | alterego | Small UXs, no probs, a whole handset profile, well that's a rather larger endeavour. |
| 21:37.40 | MohammadAG | <GeneralAntilles> I hate that you can't have capital letters in your username on MeeGo.com |
| 21:37.41 | MohammadAG | the reason I opted for my old mohammad7410 nickname instead of mohammadag |
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| 21:41.03 | MoonTiger | is it me being dumb or is the layout sizing stuff in qt really confusing? |
| 21:41.24 | RST38h | The former |
| 21:41.34 | javispedro | hhmmh |
| 21:41.35 | MoonTiger | oh |
| 21:41.41 | alterego | Hah |
| 21:41.45 | MoonTiger | ok |
| 21:41.47 | javispedro | package sources are disappearing frm harmattan-dev repo |
| 21:41.56 | alterego | quick mirror! |
| 21:41.57 | RST38h | get 'em FAST |
| 21:42.00 | alterego | Or it's being updated ;) |
| 21:42.07 | RST38h | No, really, mirror them |
| 21:42.12 | javispedro | late |
| 21:42.22 | javispedro | http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/harmattan-beta/free/p/package-manager/package-manager_0.26.2+0m6.tar.gz no longer there |
| 21:42.26 | RST38h | With madman at the helm, there is no saying what will happen to them |
| 21:42.52 | javispedro | oh, this is bad |
| 21:42.57 | javispedro | only a few have disappeared. |
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| 21:45.15 | javispedro | more like only one :( |
| 21:45.28 | javispedro | curses |
| 21:45.40 | javispedro | ok, so I am left without source to read tonight. |
| 21:46.00 | RST38h | I can give you a random coredump of mine =) |
| 21:46.45 | RST38h | Meanwhile: "TSA employees at Logan International Airport believe they have identified a cancer cluster in their ranks" |
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| 21:48.56 | javispedro | RST38h: but is it fun? |
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| 21:49.21 | RST38h | javispedro: probablynot=( |
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| 21:52.28 | ShadowJK | javispedro, just like with maemo4 and maemo5, good stuff vanishing :) |
| 21:53.04 | MohammadAG | Hmm, according to twitter, MeeGo devices in Transformers 3 |
| 21:53.17 | MohammadAG | explains why there are only 250 devices |
| 21:53.42 | Corsac | do they transform themselves? |
| 21:55.31 | javispedro | obviously it is an extension of that meegoproject video |
| 21:55.35 | javispedro | er.. |
| 21:55.36 | javispedro | maemoproject. |
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| 22:07.44 | DocScrutinizer | wazzup? |
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| 22:12.31 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: aegis. aegis. aegis! aegis? |
| 22:12.42 | DocScrutinizer | WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! |
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| 22:17.34 | javispedro | so |
| 22:17.44 | javispedro | funnily enough. |
| 22:17.47 | javispedro | yes. |
| 22:17.52 | javispedro | package-manager was released as free. |
| 22:17.57 | javispedro | yet now it is inside nokia-binaries |
| 22:18.01 | javispedro | so, the source was out there. |
| 22:18.04 | javispedro | for a few days. |
| 22:18.31 | javispedro | http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:vh48kRUtKpoJ:harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/harmattan-beta/free/p/package-manager/+http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/harmattan-beta/package-manager&cd=2&hl=es&ct=clnk&gl=es&client=firefox-a&source=www.google.es |
| 22:18.33 | javispedro | still on google |
| 22:19.05 | javispedro | 117MiB tarball O_O, damn I really wish I had downloaded. |
| 22:19.10 | javispedro | *it. |
| 22:19.24 | NIN101 | look at code.google.com, maybe its there cached... |
| 22:21.40 | javispedro | no way they cache tarballs =), but I wish |
| 22:22.09 | javispedro | it mush have been quite a sizeable leak of harmattan source =) |
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| 22:23.47 | NIN101 | http://google.com/codesearch sorry I meant this, but no, it does not seam to be cached. |
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| 22:28.37 | DocScrutinizer | wonders (not so idly) how the pre-rm script for a library patcher should look like :-o |
| 22:30.33 | DocScrutinizer | make sure the lib.so still is the same you patched months ago, if yes go restore the original you stashed away somewhere. But what if no? And what if your friggin stashed away original got lost?? :-O |
| 22:31.51 | DocScrutinizer | UNPATCH? yuck |
| 22:32.29 | DocScrutinizer | MEH, this thing *can not get uninstalled* PERIOD |
| 22:32.42 | DocScrutinizer | nobody sane would want to do that anyway |
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| 22:40.28 | MohammadAG | javispedro, is package-manager the UI or the backend? |
| 22:40.45 | javispedro | the backend |
| 22:40.53 | MohammadAG | also, if it was free for a while, that means legalities aren't an issue if they want to foss it |
| 22:41.09 | javispedro | ui is imaginatively called "package-manager-ui" |
| 22:41.27 | MohammadAG | is Harmattan actually more closed? |
| 22:41.42 | MohammadAG | apt-worker and HAM were open, crappy, but open |
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| 22:41.56 | javispedro | no data, but I'm going to say it does not seem more open... |
| 22:42.00 | divan | javispedro, are you sure it's now in nokia binaries? |
| 22:42.18 | javispedro | divan: look for yourself. |
| 22:42.24 | javispedro | nokia-binaries is pw protected. |
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| 22:42.41 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, there'll be loads of "My N900 crashes after installing X. I also dropped it from 5th story balcony and it got overrun by a steamroller, but I'm sure that has got nothing to do with it. I need to figure out how to uninstall X!!!" |
| 22:43.00 | divan | javispedro, I don't have harmattan sdk installed for now, and nokia-binaries pool is protected, so I can't check |
| 22:43.28 | MohammadAG | yeah, X sucks on the N900, I don't think it's used for anything |
| 22:43.36 | MohammadAG | removes it |
| 22:44.05 | MohammadAG | QML seems nice-ish |
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| 22:55.59 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: indeed |
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| 22:58.57 | EliteTecke | Hi. |
| 22:59.12 | EliteTecke | Is there a reason why maemo on the nokia n900 needs unallocated space. |
| 22:59.15 | EliteTecke | I forget. |
| 22:59.30 | EliteTecke | As I accidentally used this. |
| 22:59.35 | EliteTecke | And I screwed maemo. |
| 23:02.33 | cehteh | eh what? |
| 23:02.36 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: goddammit! nobody mirrored the repo? |
| 23:02.47 | DocScrutinizer | NOBODY? |
| 23:03.01 | EliteTecke | on the partition table |
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| 23:03.29 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: I was this near getting the source for that package, I had scheduled downloading it for tonight, and I think it disappeared today. |
| 23:03.30 | DocScrutinizer | please elaborate |
| 23:03.38 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, nope, nobody |
| 23:03.39 | EliteTecke | The emmc image for the n900. |
| 23:03.47 | EliteTecke | Flashes an unallocated space. |
| 23:03.54 | EliteTecke | at the end of the partition table. |
| 23:03.59 | MohammadAG | EliteTecke, tbh, I'd keep the table as is |
| 23:04.01 | EliteTecke | And I accidentally used it. |
| 23:04.05 | MohammadAG | if i need more partitions, I'd add them after mmcblk0p3 |
| 23:04.07 | EliteTecke | And well maemo broke. |
| 23:04.08 | EliteTecke | haha. |
| 23:04.12 | MohammadAG | recreate it? |
| 23:04.15 | EliteTecke | That's what I did. |
| 23:04.16 | MohammadAG | it's 64MBs |
| 23:04.20 | EliteTecke | Ah nvm. |
| 23:04.22 | EliteTecke | reflash. |
| 23:04.23 | MohammadAG | or MiBs, idk |
| 23:04.55 | DrGrov | Evening |
| 23:05.31 | DocScrutinizer | EliteTecke: hmmm. I need to check this, but without looking at it yet I'd guess it has to do with aligning, and possibly a bug in one-off for writing to end of a partition |
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| 23:06.01 | EliteTecke | damn. |
| 23:06.02 | DocScrutinizer | there were such nice bugs in e.g drdos or sth |
| 23:06.05 | EliteTecke | I can't flash the emmc. |
| 23:06.15 | EliteTecke | It doesn't write properly. |
| 23:06.16 | DocScrutinizer | no way |
| 23:06.16 | troulouliou | hi i m launching rescue mode with flasher but i can not see the menu on the sceen (no light) |
| 23:06.22 | DocScrutinizer | you always can flash eMMC |
| 23:06.24 | EliteTecke | ah f**** |
| 23:06.30 | troulouliou | what should i do to be able to mount my partition |
| 23:06.31 | EliteTecke | it only writes 30% |
| 23:06.47 | EliteTecke | then finishes process is 100% |
| 23:06.49 | EliteTecke | f***** |
| 23:06.57 | DocScrutinizer | troulouliou: meego rescue initrd? forget it! |
| 23:07.17 | DocScrutinizer | EliteTecke: PC OS? |
| 23:07.26 | troulouliou | DocScrutinizer, i used it with gparted a while ago to resize my prtitio without problem |
| 23:07.29 | EliteTecke | Ubuntu(Linux Mint) |
| 23:07.35 | DrGrov | I have a quick question... What actually happened with Alberto Torres? Anyone got any solid info on this? |
| 23:07.59 | EliteTecke | Ah lets face it I have screwed with the device that many times I'm not surprised. |
| 23:08.00 | DocScrutinizer | EliteTecke: hmmm, no issues known afaik |
| 23:08.30 | EliteTecke | Its my own doing. |
| 23:08.42 | EliteTecke | I have f**** up the partition table completely. |
| 23:08.53 | EliteTecke | That's why it can't flash properly. |
| 23:08.55 | DocScrutinizer | EliteTecke: try to flash COMBINED, then do the VANILLA flash again |
| 23:09.13 | EliteTecke | That's what I am doing now. |
| 23:09.19 | EliteTecke | It has saves my ass b4. |
| 23:09.20 | EliteTecke | XD>< |
| 23:09.22 | DocScrutinizer | EliteTecke: nonsense, the part-tab gets rebuilt on flashing |
| 23:09.31 | EliteTecke | We'll see. |
| 23:09.49 | troulouliou | DocScrutinizer, just typing U is perfect to have usb storage mode ... |
| 23:10.20 | DocScrutinizer | aah yes. for storage mode it works. but storage mode is mostly useless |
| 23:10.34 | DocScrutinizer | as it doesn't expose the rootfs |
| 23:10.42 | EliteTecke | I am trying to partition it like this p1=FAT32/home partition, p2=maemo/root/android partition p3=Meego partition, p4=Swap partition.:) |
| 23:11.14 | EliteTecke | Once flashing maemo I will re flash emmc. |
| 23:11.17 | javispedro | DrGrov: left |
| 23:11.19 | EliteTecke | Then maemo again. |
| 23:11.19 | DocScrutinizer | EliteTecke: you know about the patch-the-image hack? |
| 23:11.31 | EliteTecke | I think so. |
| 23:11.34 | DrGrov | javispedro: Ok. That is the official version? |
| 23:11.39 | EliteTecke | But which are you referring too? |
| 23:11.46 | EliteTecke | Please refresh my memory thanks.:) |
| 23:11.47 | javispedro | DrGrov: yep, iirc. |
| 23:11.48 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: its easier to use the rescue initrd and gparted |
| 23:12.02 | EliteTecke | I use the rescue as well. |
| 23:12.07 | EliteTecke | To repartition it. |
| 23:12.07 | DocScrutinizer | sed "s/2048/4096" -i vanilla.bin |
| 23:12.22 | EliteTecke | ah no I was thinking of something else. |
| 23:12.25 | EliteTecke | But thanks anyway. |
| 23:12.26 | EliteTecke | :) |
| 23:12.55 | DrGrov | javispedro: Ok, thanks for clearing it up. |
| 23:12.59 | EliteTecke | It goes init 20% |
| 23:13.03 | EliteTecke | finishing |
| 23:13.05 | DrGrov | javispedro: Just stumbled across it when reading about the N9 |
| 23:13.06 | EliteTecke | then writing. |
| 23:13.18 | EliteTecke | I might just be overlooking things. |
| 23:13.26 | DrGrov | javispedro: May I PM you? |
| 23:13.41 | javispedro | DrGrov: of course, extraofficial, it probably was a elopcalypse move |
| 23:13.44 | javispedro | *extraofficialy |
| 23:13.47 | javispedro | DrGrov: yes |
| 23:14.00 | DocScrutinizer | hiemanshu: how are you typing things on rescue initrd? |
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| 23:14.18 | arvut | good evening/night fellas |
| 23:14.19 | DocScrutinizer | no blue chars |
| 23:14.34 | DocScrutinizer | means not even digits |
| 23:14.45 | DocScrutinizer | hard to operate gparted I guess |
| 23:14.49 | EliteTecke | Who me. |
| 23:14.49 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: typing things? |
| 23:14.56 | arvut | coloured chat is nice, cans wees hath it? |
| 23:15.07 | EliteTecke | I just pressed u on rescue |
| 23:15.14 | EliteTecke | I had to reconnect sometimes. |
| 23:15.28 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: well, with resuce initrd, the whole eMMC is exposed as a usb mass storage device, so I can access the partiton data with a computer |
| 23:15.30 | EliteTecke | If you don't boot to maemo first and reformat the fat 32 partition |
| 23:15.39 | arvut | I saw something about +c awhile ago, possibly in #gentoo-chat |
| 23:15.53 | DocScrutinizer | aaah yes. forgot about it again :-/ |
| 23:15.53 | EliteTecke | dunno why gparted just moans that it can't access the mount point. |
| 23:16.17 | EliteTecke | We have loading bars. |
| 23:16.19 | EliteTecke | XD>< |
| 23:16.20 | DocScrutinizer | arvut: we are obviously not interested |
| 23:16.27 | arvut | =( |
| 23:16.49 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: http://wiki.maemo.org/Repartitioning_the_flash#Solution_.236:_Custom_repartitioning_from_a_linux_PC |
| 23:17.05 | DocScrutinizer | hiemanshu: yes, thanks |
| 23:17.16 | EliteTecke | That's what I did. |
| 23:17.27 | EliteTecke | ahah nokia boot vid. |
| 23:17.29 | EliteTecke | It worked. |
| 23:17.31 | EliteTecke | :D |
| 23:17.34 | DocScrutinizer | I thought you were running gparted on device |
| 23:17.46 | arvut | I'll go back to reading about that enhanced lockscreen then |
| 23:17.47 | EliteTecke | What no. |
| 23:17.56 | EliteTecke | I ran gparted from Linux Mint. |
| 23:18.03 | EliteTecke | But I used rescue to access it. |
| 23:18.07 | EliteTecke | Also a quick note. |
| 23:18.13 | hiemanshu | having gparted on a mobile device is a bad idea in itself |
| 23:18.16 | EliteTecke | If you do need to reflash the n900 and the emmc. |
| 23:18.22 | arvut | gotta try mint some day.. |
| 23:18.24 | EliteTecke | Make sure you disable R&D |
| 23:18.33 | EliteTecke | As I had problems. |
| 23:18.40 | DocScrutinizer | hey |
| 23:18.45 | EliteTecke | Otherwise it won't flash properly. |
| 23:18.46 | DocScrutinizer | that's new |
| 23:18.51 | EliteTecke | Dunno why. |
| 23:19.00 | EliteTecke | Its done this six times already. |
| 23:19.05 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG is flashing since ages with R&D mode on |
| 23:19.13 | EliteTecke | I have the new emmc. |
| 23:19.17 | EliteTecke | So that could be it well. |
| 23:19.22 | EliteTecke | The new emmc image flashed. |
| 23:19.28 | DocScrutinizer | new eMMC? |
| 23:19.37 | arvut | what's R&D anyways? |
| 23:19.38 | EliteTecke | Yeah I'm not on vanilla no more. |
| 23:19.47 | DocScrutinizer | mhm, probably MohammadAG does that rarely |
| 23:19.54 | EliteTecke | Ironically I was trying to reflash the emmc. |
| 23:19.59 | EliteTecke | With R&D enabled. |
| 23:20.17 | MohammadAG | R&D has been on since May |
| 23:20.25 | MohammadAG | at least May |
| 23:20.25 | MohammadAG | 09 of course |
| 23:20.33 | EliteTecke | Try to repartition again just make sure I don't delete the unallocated space. |
| 23:20.34 | EliteTecke | XD>< |
| 23:20.36 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 23:20.56 | EliteTecke | I have never done that before. |
| 23:21.02 | MohammadAG | I repartitioned my eMMC with gparted |
| 23:21.04 | EliteTecke | I have had this device for over year. |
| 23:21.04 | hiemanshu | EliteTecke: any new partitions you make should be at the end |
| 23:21.08 | EliteTecke | I know. |
| 23:21.13 | troulouliou | DocScrutinizer, storage mode is usefull to copy big files too :) |
| 23:21.14 | MohammadAG | and unallocated space did change |
| 23:21.15 | EliteTecke | I have done this many times. |
| 23:21.24 | EliteTecke | Just this time I f*** up. |
| 23:21.26 | EliteTecke | It happens. |
| 23:21.27 | MohammadAG | but I set it back to 64 then confirmed changes |
| 23:21.29 | DocScrutinizer | troulouliou: yes sir |
| 23:22.15 | troulouliou | that my actual need copying the bt5 image :) |
| 23:22.56 | troulouliou | it is pretty sad that the N900 like phone is discontinued |
| 23:23.12 | EliteTecke | You mean a tablet with a phone application. |
| 23:23.14 | EliteTecke | XD>< |
| 23:23.42 | DocScrutinizer | nah |
| 23:23.55 | troulouliou | they should release a N900 v2 with same specification but higer speed CPU ; ram/rom and screen resolution |
| 23:24.02 | DocScrutinizer | N900 was a NIT, N9 is a phone |
| 23:24.10 | DocScrutinizer | obviously |
| 23:24.23 | DocScrutinizer | :-( |
| 23:24.41 | MohammadAG | is there a way to emit a signal with a QString in QML? |
| 23:24.49 | MohammadAG | I tried Text, String, char, QString, nothing seems to work |
| 23:25.23 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: oh, I'm not sure N900 was a NIT. |
| 23:25.48 | javispedro | I mean, large, finger sized buttons? |
| 23:25.50 | EliteTecke | I don't like how with R&D mode enable the thing boots on power source plugged in such as the battery being inserted. |
| 23:25.54 | EliteTecke | pain in the rear. |
| 23:25.55 | javispedro | devil's thing! |
| 23:26.47 | DocScrutinizer | EliteTecke: try this --force-powerbutton option |
| 23:26.48 | MohammadAG | I like that, swapping batteries is something I do a lot, it saves me having to press the power button |
| 23:26.54 | EliteTecke | Note to self leave the 64mb unallocated space alone! |
| 23:26.55 | EliteTecke | XD>< |
| 23:27.17 | troulouliou | MohammadAG, but you have to reset the clock on statup no ? |
| 23:27.40 | MohammadAG | nope |
| 23:27.44 | DocScrutinizer | hehe |
| 23:28.08 | MohammadAG | though the SIM always leaves its place, so it shows the welcome screen again |
| 23:28.14 | MohammadAG | but time and date are correctly set there |
| 23:28.15 | troulouliou | ok maybe this is cause most time i remove battery is to change SIM card |
| 23:28.25 | troulouliou | :) |
| 23:28.32 | DocScrutinizer | that's unrelated to SIM |
| 23:28.40 | MohammadAG | actually it is DocScrutinizer |
| 23:28.45 | MohammadAG | I noticed it when my N900 was new |
| 23:28.46 | DocScrutinizer | no |
| 23:28.52 | EliteTecke | To get the meego partition as p3. |
| 23:28.58 | MohammadAG | take the battery out for 30 secs, nothing happens |
| 23:29.04 | EliteTecke | I have to move the second partition up. |
| 23:29.05 | MohammadAG | EliteTecke, NO |
| 23:29.10 | EliteTecke | Delete swap |
| 23:29.15 | MohammadAG | don't f with p1-p3 |
| 23:29.22 | EliteTecke | What cool it. |
| 23:29.24 | MohammadAG | if you want MeeGo on the eMMC, put it on a new p4 |
| 23:29.29 | EliteTecke | I have done this many times with android. |
| 23:29.57 | EliteTecke | Then add the p3 partition and the swap with remaining 64 allocated space. |
| 23:30.00 | Sc0rpius | who would want to run Meego on the N900? it's SLOWER than nitdroid |
| 23:30.01 | MohammadAG | Besides extending the partitions, I wouldn't change anything with numbering |
| 23:30.10 | EliteTecke | Not the community edition. |
| 23:30.11 | SpeedEvil | yeah - if you swap SIM - you get a new welcome screen |
| 23:30.16 | EliteTecke | Its much better. |
| 23:30.26 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: yes, maybe |
| 23:30.30 | troulouliou | EliteTecke, really ? with phone .... |
| 23:30.34 | EliteTecke | No one said do this how I do. |
| 23:30.41 | EliteTecke | Its just how I do things. |
| 23:30.45 | MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, no need to swap it, just take it out and put it back in |
| 23:30.52 | DocScrutinizer | but swapping sim isn't the same as removing and re-inserting same sim |
| 23:31.05 | MohammadAG | Sc0rpius, it's a bit faster as of the latest images |
| 23:31.12 | Sc0rpius | I think it's a waste of time |
| 23:31.13 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: that *definitely* does nuttin |
| 23:31.37 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, sure of it, SIM slot somehow detects the sim is removed even without the battery |
| 23:31.41 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: how could it tell if the phone is off? Unless you mean remvoe SIM - power up - replace SIM |
| 23:31.43 | EliteTecke | And did you bother to increase swap if you flashed the entire emmc with it. |
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| 23:31.48 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: it simply can't, as device has no means to track such action |
| 23:31.49 | EliteTecke | If you don't its slow. |
| 23:32.02 | MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, if you replace the sim while the device is on, it simply works |
| 23:32.16 | MohammadAG | I didn't flash the entire eMMC with MeeGo... |
| 23:32.19 | SpeedEvil | Huh? |
| 23:32.20 | arvut | hotswap sim? thats cool |
| 23:32.23 | SpeedEvil | How can you do that? |
| 23:32.26 | MohammadAG | just copied the files to mmcblk0p4 and booted it up |
| 23:32.30 | EliteTecke | How can you do that if the sim is behind the battery. |
| 23:32.37 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: hehe ;-D |
| 23:32.37 | EliteTecke | Whilst having it on. |
| 23:32.39 | arvut | haha good point |
| 23:32.39 | Sc0rpius | you have exactly 30 seconds to do it |
| 23:32.49 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: you actually can |
| 23:32.51 | EliteTecke | lol.:D |
| 23:32.52 | MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, offline mode, rmmod ssi_m(tab) |
| 23:32.56 | Sc0rpius | orrrr |
| 23:32.59 | Sc0rpius | leave IT PLUGGED |
| 23:33.00 | MohammadAG | remove battery by hotswap (see DocScrutinizer's method) |
| 23:33.06 | Sc0rpius | hehe |
| 23:33.08 | EliteTecke | You mean hotswap. |
| 23:33.10 | MohammadAG | swap sim, put battery back in, insmod, online mode |
| 23:33.10 | Sc0rpius | just leave the charger |
| 23:33.11 | SpeedEvil | Oh - yeah - I was assumign you weren't cheating |
| 23:33.13 | EliteTecke | Yeah great idea. |
| 23:33.22 | EliteTecke | Why don't we all run the risk of frying our devices. |
| 23:33.26 | EliteTecke | No thanks. |
| 23:33.31 | arvut | lol |
| 23:33.55 | MohammadAG | how would that fry your device... |
| 23:33.59 | EliteTecke | When ppl say static kills devices they don't say as a joke. |
| 23:34.20 | MohammadAG | there's a bigger chance of frying the device because of overclocking than because of hotswap |
| 23:34.21 | DocScrutinizer | but when device is powered down, no way it ever detects you opening and closing again the SIM holder |
| 23:34.34 | EliteTecke | But by all means go ahead and cook it I'm sure steve jobs would love you for it. |
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| 23:34.42 | EliteTecke | >< |
| 23:34.43 | Sc0rpius | fuck Steve Jobs! |
| 23:34.51 | Sc0rpius | anyway there's no risk of frying it |
| 23:34.53 | arvut | some macfreak told me there were mac's that you can hotswap RAM at now, doubt that was true |
| 23:35.01 | EliteTecke | A mac rly. |
| 23:35.14 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, well, yes, I realize that |
| 23:35.21 | MohammadAG | I first thought it tracks IMSI |
| 23:35.24 | arvut | yeah, eff the cult |
| 23:35.27 | MohammadAG | but now it's doing it all the time |
| 23:35.35 | MohammadAG | (I removed the paper under the sim) |
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| 23:35.47 | EliteTecke | I am not a supporter of apple hence I own no apple products. |
| 23:35.51 | EliteTecke | Never have never will. |
| 23:35.55 | MohammadAG | hotswapping ram lol |
| 23:36.03 | arvut | :) |
| 23:36.19 | arvut | yeah, hes not very techsavvy |
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| 23:36.27 | MohammadAG | hotswapping the SIM is possible cause the device doesn't give a shit about the SIM when it's in offline mode |
| 23:36.38 | MohammadAG | oh and btw, DocScrutinizer |
| 23:36.43 | MohammadAG | plug a charger in MeeGo |
| 23:36.48 | MohammadAG | remove the battery, the device stays on |
| 23:36.57 | EliteTecke | Well duh the iphone has the same cpu chip as the n900 and yet the iphone runs slower. |
| 23:36.58 | EliteTecke | wtf. |
| 23:36.59 | MohammadAG | we have to stop bme on maemo, but not on MeeGo |
| 23:37.05 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: (offline) exactly |
| 23:37.16 | arvut | same with maemo on n900? |
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| 23:37.29 | EliteTecke | The cpu is clocked down to 600mhz. |
| 23:37.31 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: (meego) WTF?! |
| 23:37.41 | EliteTecke | Silly really as it can run at 1Ghz just fine. |
| 23:37.47 | MohammadAG | no, if you remove the battery with the charger in the screen flickers and the device dies |
| 23:37.49 | arvut | EliteTecke: yeah, fancy crap with too much bloat in it top stay sharp |
| 23:37.51 | troulouliou | wahou kernel panic while removing the device from flash.rescue without unounting |
| 23:38.18 | Sc0rpius | well |
| 23:38.22 | MohammadAG | I thought you'd wtf at that |
| 23:38.23 | arvut | EliteTecke: would you actually recommend overclocking it then? |
| 23:38.26 | Sc0rpius | Steve Jobs can die for I care but I know the reason |
| 23:38.29 | DocScrutinizer | EliteTecke: please don't spread nonsense |
| 23:38.31 | Sc0rpius | iPhone's battery last like a week |
| 23:38.36 | Sc0rpius | that's the reason of the underclock |
| 23:38.36 | MohammadAG | but I pulled the battery out by mistake |
| 23:39.02 | EliteTecke | Maemo runs at 600mhz |
| 23:39.05 | Sc0rpius | and the lack of real multitasking also saves battery life |
| 23:39.17 | SpeedEvil | EliteTecke: the iphone and the n900 do not share a CPU |
| 23:39.18 | EliteTecke | It hasn't gone higher without power kernal and overclocking. |
| 23:39.25 | arvut | Sc0rpius: and he will, the bastard even tore down his mansion bcuz he doesnt want others to live there when he takes his dirtnap |
| 23:39.34 | EliteTecke | snapdragon cpu. |
| 23:39.35 | Sc0rpius | yeah |
| 23:39.39 | EliteTecke | I dunno about the iphone 4. |
| 23:39.43 | arvut | that mansion was like 300 years old |
| 23:39.44 | EliteTecke | But the same as the 3d |
| 23:39.46 | EliteTecke | 3g |
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| 23:40.49 | arvut | so, worth overclocking the n900 to 1ghz? |
| 23:41.00 | Sc0rpius | if you want to kill it yes |
| 23:41.00 | MohammadAG | yeah, cooking steaks will be fun again |
| 23:41.03 | arvut | or should it stay at 600? |
| 23:41.10 | troulouliou | arvut, if you have permanent access to car / wakk power outlet yes |
| 23:41.15 | troulouliou | wall |
| 23:41.16 | EliteTecke | I wouldn't recommend you do it all the time. |
| 23:41.20 | SpeedEvil | It is likely to be significantly less reliable. |
| 23:41.27 | MohammadAG | last thing I would worry about is battery life when overclocking |
| 23:41.28 | Sc0rpius | I wouldn't recommend you do it even once |
| 23:41.29 | SpeedEvil | ?However - go for it if you don't care much about that. |
| 23:41.30 | EliteTecke | But with all overclocking you will shorten the cpu's life time. |
| 23:41.31 | DocScrutinizer | ~omap-oc |
| 23:41.31 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, omap-oc is http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-08-01.log.html#t2010-08-01T22:16:05 read that!, or and this http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2011-03-11.log.html#t2011-03-11T03:04:11 |
| 23:41.34 | arvut | oh yeah, battery drain.. forgot about that :P |
| 23:41.37 | troulouliou | i m in 1 ghz all days without any issue except some battery drain |
| 23:42.06 | MohammadAG | where's that warning igor posted |
| 23:42.10 | arvut | mine can be somewhat slow sometimes |
| 23:42.36 | MohammadAG | ah yeah, this thing http://depot.javispedro.com/nit/thewarningtm.jpeg |
| 23:42.36 | DocScrutinizer | ~overclocking |
| 23:42.36 | infobot | "OK, listen up. This is your CPU." apt drops the CPU into a hot frying pan. "This is your CPU on overclocking. Any questions?" |
| 23:42.51 | arvut | I'll keep it at 600 then.. this phone is gonna live as long as my 3410 did |
| 23:43.03 | arvut | does* |
| 23:43.14 | EliteTecke | If your that bothered stick android on it and downclock. |
| 23:43.17 | EliteTecke | Geez. |
| 23:43.39 | arvut | nah, dont like android |
| 23:43.57 | arvut | I'd rather install gentoo on it then |
| 23:43.59 | SpeedEvil | ponders selling teeny CPU fans for n900. |
| 23:44.21 | DocScrutinizer | troulouliou: I'm smoking since decades, with absolutely no problems except a bit of coughing |
| 23:44.33 | arvut | lol |
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| 23:44.50 | MohammadAG | javispedro, does Harmattan show isntallation progress or just a static icon? |
| 23:44.50 | MohammadAG | installation* |
| 23:44.54 | troulouliou | hehe |
| 23:45.12 | javispedro | MohammadAG: good question. Code shows it might show a progress bar, but didn't manage to reproduce it (swipelauncher is closed) |
| 23:45.32 | EliteTecke | I think I have found the issue with the partitioning. |
| 23:45.34 | javispedro | so, no idea. |
| 23:45.49 | EliteTecke | If you delete the swap the unallocated space goes with it. |
| 23:45.54 | MohammadAG | If I wanted Android I'd get an Android device |
| 23:45.57 | EliteTecke | So moving the partition is the only option. |
| 23:45.59 | arvut | MohammadAG: is that enhanced-lockscreen still in extras-devel btw? |
| 23:46.05 | arvut | I wanna try it |
| 23:46.08 | MohammadAG | cause tbh, Android works better there |
| 23:46.13 | javispedro | also, this is what happens when you break packages on harmattan =) http://depot.javispedro.com/nit/harmattansdk/installbroken.png |
| 23:46.14 | MohammadAG | arvut, yep |
| 23:46.21 | arvut | oh :( |
| 23:46.31 | MohammadAG | Sorry, I don't use -testing |
| 23:46.52 | arvut | so its safe to install? |
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| 23:47.19 | arvut | not exactly sure which category is which yet |
| 23:47.22 | EliteTecke | haha worked and my partitions are how I like them. |
| 23:47.42 | EliteTecke | What was that don't do x y z oh come on. |
| 23:47.45 | arvut | extras-devel is the dangerous one, right? |
| 23:47.59 | SpeedEvil | yes. |
| 23:48.05 | SpeedEvil | I've had few problems though. |
| 23:48.05 | arvut | good, ty |
| 23:48.08 | EliteTecke | Do you really think I wouldn't do this if I knew it would f**** up my device. |
| 23:48.31 | MohammadAG | had -devel enabled since day 1 |
| 23:48.43 | EliteTecke | Found another bug with the emmc. |
| 23:48.55 | arvut | advanced power was a mistake I made quite early |
| 23:49.06 | EliteTecke | Having R&D enabled and four partitions may sometimes jerk the booting. |
| 23:49.13 | EliteTecke | I think it just gets stuck in ram. |
| 23:49.18 | MohammadAG | umm, no |
| 23:49.19 | EliteTecke | So I just removed the power source. |
| 23:49.23 | MohammadAG | first boot is always slow |
| 23:49.30 | EliteTecke | And re inserted and it was fine. |
| 23:49.32 | arvut | now its not in -devel anymore I think but it kinda messed up my device |
| 23:49.51 | MohammadAG | it was optifying rootfs, chances are you broke that |
| 23:49.53 | arvut | R&D? |
| 23:50.20 | MohammadAG | umm, no, all devices optify rootfs on first boot |
| 23:50.26 | EliteTecke | Okay its how you root the device to the point where you can have access to everything. |
| 23:50.37 | DocScrutinizer | eh? |
| 23:50.42 | arvut | root and d...? |
| 23:50.51 | EliteTecke | So no need for silly sudo gain root package installed |
| 23:50.57 | EliteTecke | To go to root from terminal. |
| 23:50.58 | MohammadAG | R&D is more than root access |
| 23:51.01 | troulouliou | is there any way to adjust xterm font to a slower value then 6 |
| 23:51.04 | arvut | ah |
| 23:51.08 | EliteTecke | I know but I am just simplifying it. |
| 23:51.16 | troulouliou | i mean the osso-term |
| 23:51.23 | arvut | what does the D in it mean? |
| 23:51.45 | DocScrutinizer | EliteTecke: why do you simplify things that are simple enough the way they are? |
| 23:52.02 | EliteTecke | Who knows. |
| 23:52.05 | EliteTecke | XD>< |
| 23:52.13 | EliteTecke | I am not really that fussed. |
| 23:52.24 | arvut | yeah, give the real meaning and see if ppl understand it instead X) |
| 23:52.33 | DocScrutinizer | it's a bit annoying you spreading semi-nonsense all the time |
| 23:52.36 | EliteTecke | Then get more questions. |
| 23:52.41 | MohammadAG | Research and Destr, err, Development |
| 23:52.46 | EliteTecke | oh yeah a brilliant way to spend my time. |
| 23:52.50 | arvut | root & destroy x) |
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| 23:53.09 | DocScrutinizer | R&D is research and development |
| 23:53.15 | arvut | aha |
| 23:53.15 | MohammadAG | http://wiki.maemo.org/R&D_mode |
| 23:53.17 | arvut | ty |
| 23:53.36 | MohammadAG | it's not about root or not |
| 23:53.36 | DocScrutinizer | the flasher R&D mode switches the hardware to a different state |
| 23:53.47 | MohammadAG | it's more about watchdogs, or killing them |
| 23:54.02 | DocScrutinizer | some debugging things get enabled that a normal user neither needs nor wants |
| 23:54.06 | EliteTecke | No I just explained what it enables/allow you to be able to do in simple terms as otherwise I get people saying I don't understand yada yada. |
| 23:55.15 | DocScrutinizer | e.g yu kbd backlight starts flickering weird ans sucks battery all the time for nothing, in R&D mode |
| 23:55.19 | arvut | I understand :) |
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| 23:55.45 | arvut | that page was quite brilliantly summarized |
| 23:56.07 | EliteTecke | Once I have done screwing around with the device I usually disable R&D mode. |
| 23:56.13 | EliteTecke | Until I need it again. |
| 23:56.18 | arvut | and research & devel speaks for itself |
| 23:56.45 | arvut | yeah, maybe feed the bot with that link for easy reminder? |
| 23:57.34 | arvut | so you can enable/disable r&d without a reflash then? |
| 23:58.47 | arvut | or not |
| 23:59.00 | EliteTecke | I just flash flasher-3.5 --disable-rd-mode |
| 23:59.06 | EliteTecke | And then flasher-3.5 -R |
| 23:59.09 | EliteTecke | To reboot. |
| 23:59.44 | arvut | interesting. not gonna try it until I have to tho. not into development yet |
