| 00:05.53 | javispedro | "some implementations of pulseaudio have a difficult time dealign with non-44k frequencies" hmm |
| 00:07.45 | GeneralAntilles | There's a ball player called Wandy Rodriguez. |
| 00:08.08 | GeneralAntilles | I'm pretty sure pronouncing it as "Wand-y" is incorrect. |
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| 00:10.36 | mrdongle | i would donate to a faster pulseaudio project |
| 00:10.49 | ShadowJK | heh |
| 00:10.58 | ShadowJK | I have to admit, pulseaudio works pretty darn well on N900 |
| 00:11.01 | ShadowJK | compared to like meego |
| 00:11.28 | ShadowJK | started his midsummer holiday with fixing a Vista computer, then loading MeeGo on his spare N900 |
| 00:12.56 | javispedro | heh |
| 00:12.57 | javispedro | btw |
| 00:13.10 | javispedro | Nokia just said that launchpad n950 application deadline is july 31st |
| 00:13.28 | ShadowJK | launchpad = you're a company? |
| 00:13.42 | javispedro | technically there's launchpad for individuals |
| 00:13.46 | javispedro | but for some reason they hate me |
| 00:14.00 | ShadowJK | wonders if he can create a company before 31st next month |
| 00:14.28 | GeneralAntilles | July 31st to give away 92,000k? |
| 00:14.30 | GeneralAntilles | *g* |
| 00:14.32 | ShadowJK | My outside-actual-job activities last year and this year will have volume taking me close to the point where I have to |
| 00:14.41 | javispedro | cause I've been waiting since early this year to get mine approved and yet doc got his application approved on a single overnight |
| 00:14.53 | GeneralAntilles | Email support |
| 00:15.00 | javispedro | did yesterday, no answer yet |
| 00:15.22 | ShadowJK | doc got his approved? |
| 00:15.40 | GeneralAntilles | The bastard. |
| 00:15.43 | javispedro | the one where according to himself he put "blablabla", yes. |
| 00:15.50 | javispedro | _literally_ blablabla |
| 00:15.54 | javispedro | eh, DocScrutinizer? ;) |
| 00:16.26 | ShadowJK | I thought 6 hours ago he was complaining that he has nothing else than "blablabla" to put there and had no possibility of getting approved |
| 00:16.57 | GeneralAntilles | Oh, DocScrutinizer. |
| 00:17.00 | GeneralAntilles | You so silly. |
| 00:17.31 | javispedro | I hereby swear that if ever get the change to edit my 400+ words application, i will delete them all and put "blablabla". |
| 00:17.45 | javispedro | *chance |
| 00:17.51 | ShadowJK | I guess konttori bought a few badgers, coals, sausages and mustard for the Nokians deciding on device approval :P |
| 00:19.20 | javispedro | oh |
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| 00:19.59 | ShadowJK | Only finns will know why a badger would be beneficial ;P |
| 00:20.04 | javispedro | funnily enough, gmail-googling I found an email from nokia launchpad apologizing for the delay processing my application... sent on MARCH |
| 00:20.37 | javispedro | "If you have a contact within Forum Nokia, [...], please contact that person in order to expedite the reviewing of your membership application." |
| 00:20.46 | javispedro | oh, I get how this works. |
| 00:20.55 | ShadowJK | lol |
| 00:20.56 | javispedro | where are those badgers and sausages? |
| 00:21.02 | ShadowJK | nepotism :) |
| 00:21.16 | ShadowJK | It's how I'd rule if I ruled the world |
| 00:22.12 | javispedro | wikipedia, you always surprise me. |
| 00:22.17 | ShadowJK | hm? |
| 00:22.18 | javispedro | the Nepotism article has a _list of examples_ |
| 00:22.23 | ShadowJK | lol |
| 00:22.26 | javispedro | by country. |
| 00:22.30 | javispedro | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nepotism |
| 00:22.46 | ShadowJK | Wouldn't you want wiktionary or something |
| 00:23.11 | javispedro | and miss the list of spaniard nepotism examples? noway! |
| 00:23.12 | Hurrian | http://goput.it/str/hp4.png |
| 00:23.25 | Hurrian | okay, how's that for a lock screen? |
| 00:23.58 | ShadowJK | I was impressed by Meego N900 CE's lock screen |
| 00:24.13 | Hurrian | shadowjk, the drag to lock one? |
| 00:24.16 | ShadowJK | both impressed and frustrated |
| 00:24.17 | ShadowJK | yeah |
| 00:24.27 | Hurrian | it was slow on mine for some reason |
| 00:24.31 | Hurrian | cool nonetheless |
| 00:24.43 | ShadowJK | frustrated because it appeared randomly, impressed by the drag key of unlocking and place key in the lock |
| 00:25.00 | Hurrian | oh yeah, the random appearances |
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| 00:25.05 | Hurrian | tis derpy |
| 00:25.09 | ShadowJK | Oh, every animation, every transition are just silk smooth for me |
| 00:25.15 | ShadowJK | atleast when I compare to Maemo5 |
| 00:25.23 | Hurrian | animations++ |
| 00:25.46 | ShadowJK | First thing I noticed, apps take fucking ages to appear, but you can swipe menus with silk smoothness while waiting :P |
| 00:26.14 | Hurrian | shadowjk, settings is probably the worst offender |
| 00:26.20 | ShadowJK | hm? |
| 00:26.26 | Hurrian | holy fuck is the settings app slow |
| 00:26.43 | ShadowJK | It just seems mostly broken to me |
| 00:27.04 | ShadowJK | "clocks" and calendar took much longer to start than settings |
| 00:27.17 | javispedro | ~seen pupnik |
| 00:27.27 | infobot | pupnik <~pupnik@p54B2A321.dip.t-dialin.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 27d 14h 55m 43s ago, saying: 'o/'. |
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| 00:27.49 | ShadowJK | Awesomeness: zypper install gcc make |
| 00:28.34 | ShadowJK | iostat shows about 1.5Mbyte/s of reads while apps are loading, at an average latency/wait of 5ms, but there are 20kbyte/s of writes, at an average latency of 500ms |
| 00:28.49 | ShadowJK | The problem with flash :/ |
| 00:30.27 | MohammadAG | javispedro, haven't seen him anywhere lately |
| 00:30.54 | javispedro | yep :S |
| 00:32.01 | jonwil | hi |
| 00:32.22 | javispedro | hi |
| 00:35.15 | Hurrian | http://goput.it/str/2ht.png |
| 00:35.19 | Hurrian | it's sexy time |
| 00:35.34 | Hurrian | MohammadAG , what do you think of my proposed lock screens? |
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| 00:36.52 | beford | harmattan? |
| 00:37.38 | MohammadAG | Sexy indeed, where do the media controls go? :P |
| 00:37.50 | Hurrian | wait, i have a screen with that |
| 00:37.56 | Hurrian | http://goput.it/str/hp4.png |
| 00:38.05 | Hurrian | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1038410&postcount=23 |
| 00:38.10 | ShadowJK | beford, no, harmattan has always-on screen or something, benefit of oled |
| 00:38.56 | beford | oh, that's new for me, enhaced lockscreen, does it work landscape/portrait? |
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| 00:40.20 | ShadowJK | I think it's mockup |
| 00:40.34 | beford | yes, I'm reading the post now heh |
| 00:41.28 | Hurrian | what are we talking about, MAG's app or my mockups? |
| 00:42.23 | Hurrian | anyways, in my mockups i made sure that you can use it with one hand, the controls being available to your hands either in one side or on all sides |
| 00:42.26 | beford | your mockups for MohammadAG app :P |
| 00:42.34 | Hurrian | anyone like it? |
| 00:43.35 | Hurrian | anyways, a portrait unlock screen would likely look a lot like the iPhone's unlock screen |
| 00:43.38 | merlin1991 | Hurrian: where did you get that wallpaper from / is it available? |
| 00:43.46 | Hurrian | merlin1991: wallbase.cc |
| 00:43.54 | ShadowJK | Yeah, I'd like media controls on lock screen. That'd be awesome |
| 00:44.15 | beford | looks nice Hurrian |
| 00:44.20 | Hurrian | :) |
| 00:44.59 | Hurrian | MohammadAG , if you'd like a slider instead of a tap-to-unlock, i can design that too |
| 00:45.13 | merlin1991 | hm the tagcloud on wallbase.cc, I guess the main users are male |
| 00:45.51 | Hurrian | http://wallbase.cc/wallpaper/1112640 |
| 00:48.49 | merlin1991 | Hurrian: I think there should be some sort of border between the "title bar" time & date and the mafw controls |
| 00:49.06 | merlin1991 | also whatabout fading the notification area a lil towards the edge? |
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| 00:51.16 | Hurrian | ah, ok |
| 00:51.55 | Hurrian | i think the mafw controls will be fine as the date+time bar shouldn't respond to taps |
| 00:52.37 | Hurrian | however, double tapping on the mafw bar (except for the play/pause prev/next area) will unlock and open the media player |
| 00:54.27 | ShadowJK | So my use case is this: At work I am frequently in a high-noise environment. I have professional hearing protection cups, with audio-input. I often connect N900 to audio-input. When someone wants to talk to me, I either press volume-down on N900 often enough to mute, or rip out the cable. Would be cool to be able to pause it quickly :-) |
| 00:55.34 | Hurrian | shadowjk, i wanted something like hold+ on my psp - you can control the music even when it's locked |
| 00:55.52 | Hurrian | probably the solution would be in the camera button |
| 00:56.00 | Hurrian | a full press maybe |
| 00:56.03 | javispedro | ShadowJK: "headphone daemon"? |
| 00:56.04 | Hurrian | when lock |
| 00:56.14 | javispedro | or bus daemon or whatever it was called |
| 00:56.29 | Hurrian | merlin1991 : http://goput.it/str/wwa.png |
| 01:00.33 | MohammadAG | <ShadowJK> Yeah, I'd like media controls on lock screen. That'd be awesome |
| 01:00.47 | MohammadAG | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1038328&postcount=1 |
| 01:00.49 | ShadowJK | actually I should get some avrcp thing |
| 01:01.25 | Hurrian | MohammadAG : not very viewable without a dark overlay on the background ;) |
| 01:01.32 | MohammadAG | Hurrian, a sliding design would be interesting :) |
| 01:01.41 | Hurrian | sure, coming right up :) |
| 01:04.06 | MohammadAG | k, let's try a quick mockup |
| 01:07.21 | Hurrian | http://goput.it/9tt.png |
| 01:08.18 | MohammadAG | let's try this :D |
| 01:08.19 | Hurrian | MohammadAG : done the slider mockup :) |
| 01:18.18 | MohammadAG | Hurrian, http://i52.tinypic.com/2cosrcl.jpg |
| 01:19.06 | MohammadAG | ponders how to implement that slide to unlock |
| 01:19.44 | Hurrian | MAG :) |
| 01:19.56 | Hurrian | now, can you custom-style the unlock button? |
| 01:20.08 | MohammadAG | sure |
| 01:20.11 | Hurrian | i think it would look better if it was flat black and translucent |
| 01:20.16 | MohammadAG | familiar with Qt Stylesheets? |
| 01:20.22 | Hurrian | uhh, nope |
| 01:20.25 | MohammadAG | or at least the colours |
| 01:20.44 | Hurrian | i know jack about the following: CSS, JS, C, C++, Python |
| 01:20.49 | MohammadAG | that's just background-color: rgba(100, 100, 100, 150) in the pic |
| 01:21.06 | MohammadAG | surely you know the colours you want :p |
| 01:21.12 | Hurrian | MAG, shouldn't it be 0,0,0,200 |
| 01:21.19 | Hurrian | black + translucency |
| 01:22.50 | Hurrian | on a side note, hmm, i wonder how you'll implement the slide |
| 01:23.22 | Hurrian | i guess the slide position corresponds to a number, say 9000, and when the slide gets to 9000, it sends the unlock command |
| 01:23.44 | MohammadAG | well, I don't think I can style the stock Qt slider |
| 01:24.08 | Hurrian | hmm, and the slide position should only increment/decrement by 1, so that you don't just press the words "slide to unlock" and it'll unlock |
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| 01:24.52 | Hurrian | MAG, would this help? http://www.qtcentre.org/threads/26895-Slider-Style-sheet |
| 01:25.36 | MohammadAG | thanks! |
| 01:26.24 | MohammadAG | http://i56.tinypic.com/11hqfcg.jpg |
| 01:26.32 | MohammadAG | is that the colour you wanted? |
| 01:26.56 | Hurrian | Yes! |
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| 01:27.39 | Hurrian | whee cssu maemo16 push here we gogogo! |
| 01:28.18 | MohammadAG | nah, the lockscreen stays outside the CSSU since we can install it from extras |
| 01:28.36 | Hurrian | k |
| 01:29.02 | MohammadAG | should I make the top colour solid or should I keep it as a gradient? |
| 01:29.23 | Hurrian | solid |
| 01:29.49 | Hurrian | you know, like the top and bottom boxes in a movie ;) |
| 01:29.57 | Hurrian | so yeah, make it like the bottom |
| 01:30.30 | MohammadAG | saves this in his IRC logs |
| 01:30.31 | MohammadAG | background: qlineargradient(spread:pad, x1:0.011, y1:0, x2:0, y2:1, stop:0 rgba(0, 0, 0, 255), stop:1 rgba(36, 36, 36, 0)) |
| 01:31.25 | javispedro | the CSS abuse from qt is spectacular |
| 01:32.21 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 01:33.10 | javispedro | still, I guess there's a long way until we get to the "filter: progid:RandomMicrosoftCrap.DirectX.Transform(morecrap)" |
| 01:34.00 | MohammadAG | hmm, the button turned out darker for some reason |
| 01:34.55 | Hurrian | MohammadAG , which button, the MAFW controls? |
| 01:35.19 | Hurrian | i mean the MAFW Now Playing aread? |
| 01:35.34 | MohammadAG | no, sec |
| 01:36.21 | MohammadAG | http://i54.tinypic.com/21ch28p.jpg |
| 01:36.31 | Hurrian | ah |
| 01:36.45 | Hurrian | and both are rgba(0,0,0,200) right? |
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| 01:36.50 | Hurrian | that's... odd |
| 01:37.25 | MohammadAG | oh |
| 01:37.27 | MohammadAG | silly me |
| 01:37.33 | MohammadAG | one's 100 and the other is 200 |
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| 01:39.45 | MohammadAG | Hurrian, http://i55.tinypic.com/b9gf8o.jpg |
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| 01:41.23 | Hurrian | better :) planning on adding the padding to the top? |
| 01:41.36 | Hurrian | it shouldn't be that close to the screen edge |
| 01:42.04 | MohammadAG | thought about it, but the bezel on the N900 makes it look good :P |
| 01:43.12 | Hurrian | k |
| 01:43.45 | MohammadAG | lemme up a binary |
| 01:43.58 | MohammadAG | http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/enhanced-lockscreen |
| 01:44.06 | MohammadAG | ignore the 1MB size, it's cause I didn't remove the old wallpaper |
| 01:44.59 | the_lord | MohammadAG: any chance to help me with my camera-app not letting me use the internal memory? |
| 01:45.28 | MohammadAG | did you ask in nicolai's thread? |
| 01:47.02 | MohammadAG | Hurrian, the lockscreen reminds me of Harmattan for some reason |
| 01:47.18 | Hurrian | that's odd, i've never seen harmattan's lockscreen before |
| 01:47.23 | MohammadAG | probably cause of this http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/08/10x08108h3434tf.jpg |
| 01:48.05 | Hurrian | isn't that meego's home screen? |
| 01:48.22 | MohammadAG | yeah, but they look similar |
| 01:48.34 | MohammadAG | that was probably Harmattan 0.1 |
| 01:49.02 | the_lord | MohammadAG: which thread? |
| 01:49.04 | Hurrian | now MAG, time to implement the message count? |
| 01:49.20 | MohammadAG | Hurrian, no idea how tbh :p |
| 01:49.26 | MohammadAG | Hurrian, got the slider handle? |
| 01:49.41 | Hurrian | wait, lemme get it out of photoshop |
| 01:50.04 | MohammadAG | the_lord, sec |
| 01:50.16 | MohammadAG | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=70870 |
| 01:51.20 | Hurrian | MAG: http://goput.it/qay.png |
| 01:51.59 | MohammadAG | did you try the binary btw? |
| 01:52.15 | Hurrian | nyet, lemme dl and run it |
| 01:53.44 | Hurrian | whoa |
| 01:53.46 | Hurrian | that's cool |
| 01:54.05 | Hurrian | however, i have no song playing and it just says unknown song unknown artist |
| 01:54.10 | the_lord | MohammadAG: let me see |
| 01:54.26 | Hurrian | that bar should be hidden when there's no song playing |
| 01:55.15 | Hurrian | nice unlock animation BTW |
| 01:55.52 | mrdongle | finally cell phones can translate text in your enviroment: http://googlemobile.blogspot.com/2010/05/translate-real-world-with-google.html |
| 01:56.24 | Hurrian | MAFW controls are working properly, that's a plus |
| 01:57.22 | Hurrian | MAG, all you need to do now is custom-style the buttons |
| 01:57.53 | Hurrian | when i press them, the GTK buttons appear and it's ugly |
| 01:59.40 | Hurrian | http://goput.it/2ep.png |
| 01:59.45 | Hurrian | something like this i guess |
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| 02:07.40 | MohammadAG | Hurrian, mind looking at /usr/share/themes/alpha/mediaplayer? |
| 02:07.51 | MohammadAG | see if you can make a pause icon similar to the prev/next icons |
| 02:09.37 | Hurrian | k |
| 02:09.45 | mrdongle | LULZSEC: "If President Obama wears a shoe on his head throughout the entirety of his next big speech, we will cease fire on all targets forever." |
| 02:13.04 | MohammadAG | Hurrian, slider done, you can pull in the latest binary |
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| 02:13.33 | mrdongle | the joke has an error though |
| 02:13.34 | mrdongle | since there's no guarantee that any person or group will never do anything in the name of 'lulzsec' |
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| 02:15.49 | Hurrian | MAG: slider works, not very smooth though, and you still need to put in the fading text |
| 02:16.15 | MohammadAG | Hurrian, that would be Qt, I'm not sure why the stock slider is slow :/ |
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| 02:17.05 | mrdongle | http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-20003431-1.html makeup that fools face recognition systems |
| 02:17.38 | lolcat | mrdongle: It is a guy in #mtgox trolling with the name lulzecuriti |
| 02:17.44 | lolcat | or smthing |
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| 02:18.07 | mrdongle | oh |
| 02:19.09 | Hurrian | http://goput.it/6ey.png |
| 02:19.19 | Hurrian | MohammadAG : remade the pause icon |
| 02:20.14 | MohammadAG | thanks Hurrian |
| 02:21.02 | Hurrian | hey MAG, the slider doesn't go back to the start should you stop dragging it ;P |
| 02:22.01 | Hurrian | oh, and the slider generally lags behind the finger, you may want to work on that first |
| 02:22.16 | MohammadAG | <MohammadAG> Hurrian, that would be Qt, I'm not sure why the stock slider is slow :/ |
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| 02:23.46 | Hurrian | :( |
| 02:23.46 | the_lord | MohammadAG: nope, nothing there to fix my problem, it's only with the internal memory |
| 02:25.47 | MohammadAG | Hurrian, can you do the same to the play button? |
| 02:26.56 | Hurrian | sure |
| 02:27.44 | Hurrian | MohammadAG , what's a QT tickInterval wrt qslider? |
| 02:27.57 | Hurrian | http://doc.qt.nokia.com/latest/qslider.html#tickInterval-prop |
| 02:28.22 | Hurrian | http://www.qtcentre.org/archive/index.php/t-16003.html |
| 02:28.32 | Hurrian | see the last post on qtcentre, might help |
| 02:29.40 | MohammadAG | Hurrian, the ticks under each value |
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| 02:31.37 | Hurrian | ah |
| 02:32.02 | Hurrian | MohammadAG : http://goput.it/3g4.png |
| 02:32.20 | Hurrian | that's the play button |
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| 02:36.18 | Hurrian | quoting warhawk007 on TMO: Is it possible to hide the "Now Playing" notification when Media Player is closed and reappear only when Media Player is open? This would add a more polished look. Just my humble opinion. |
| 02:40.33 | MohammadAG | MAFW can run in the background without the mediaplayer |
| 02:42.31 | Hurrian | ah |
| 02:42.32 | Hurrian | k |
| 02:43.26 | Hurrian | hide it when it can't see any song then, e.g. right after you start up so it wont show unknown song unknown artist |
| 02:46.39 | MohammadAG | I'll check if there's a renderer in the next version |
| 02:50.06 | MohammadAG | gotta hit the sack for now :p |
| 02:54.38 | Hurrian | k |
| 02:55.49 | Hurrian | http://goput.it/6wg.png |
| 02:56.00 | Hurrian | since a lot of people are asking for a big clock, there it is |
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| 03:09.26 | mrdongle | i would like that background |
| 03:10.17 | mrdongle | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCuxZm9Mm4k |
| 03:10.22 | mrdongle | one of the best songs of the 80s |
| 03:10.28 | mrdongle | so far ahead of its time |
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| 03:21.21 | mrdongle | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZo_OxN_j7c download this |
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| 04:28.33 | Hurrian | that's *puts on glasses* ...really cool. |
| 04:28.36 | Hurrian | YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAH |
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| 04:58.43 | jonwil | Just need to figure out the best place on the osmocombb project to ask about Cell Broadcast stuff |
| 04:58.51 | jonwil | maybe someone there has info on how Cell Broadcast works |
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| 05:41.56 | Hurrian | http://goput.it/str/gy6.png |
| 05:42.16 | Hurrian | anyone have any ideas to fix the date? |
| 05:42.23 | Hurrian | it is taking up way too much space |
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| 06:19.35 | Termana | good morning |
| 06:21.19 | loft306 | nn |
| 06:21.26 | jonwil | bah, cant find any info on Cell Broadcast SMS |
| 06:21.30 | jonwil | or how to parse them properly |
| 06:24.10 | Hurrian | jonwil, it's a bug, and probably wontfix for the n900 |
| 06:24.26 | jonwil | I am working on stuff for it actually |
| 06:24.33 | Hurrian | ah |
| 06:24.44 | jonwil | I posted to the developer list with details already |
| 06:25.09 | jonwil | With a patch to libsms, its possible to get the CBSMS stuff to work' |
| 06:25.18 | jonwil | and I can read it through the IncomingCBS signal |
| 06:25.28 | jonwil | but the trick is understsanding how to parse the data once I get it |
| 06:25.34 | jonwil | and what the best way to display it is |
| 06:30.00 | Hurrian | ugh, i've run out of ideas |
| 06:30.36 | SpeedEvil | wishes he could run out of ideas. |
| 06:31.31 | Hurrian | speedevil, saw the latest concepts for the lock screen? |
| 06:31.37 | SpeedEvil | no |
| 06:31.49 | Hurrian | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1038569#post1038569 |
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| 06:34.09 | SpeedEvil | How's it accessed - you tap it? |
| 06:35.19 | SpeedEvil | Oh - sorry - this is for n900 |
| 06:35.24 | SpeedEvil | has brainfade. |
| 06:35.43 | SpeedEvil | Looks OK. |
| 06:36.21 | SpeedEvil | What does the > mean at unread messages |
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| 06:36.35 | Hurrian | you slide it to the right |
| 06:36.45 | Hurrian | and for missed calls, you slide it to the left |
| 06:36.53 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 06:37.07 | ruskie | hmm nice one |
| 06:37.16 | ruskie | though the media player really is a pointless thing in there |
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| 06:38.32 | Hurrian | it's supposed to disappear when you're not using the media player |
| 06:38.56 | ruskie | so basically I Should never see it then... |
| 06:39.12 | ruskie | still it will take up space instead of having a larger clock display won't it? |
| 06:39.12 | Hurrian | having the media player on the lock screen is convenient... for the people that use the n900 as a PMP |
| 06:39.30 | Hurrian | ruskie, the media player will disappear if mafw is not running |
| 06:40.13 | ruskie | but the empty space will still be there... won't it? |
| 06:40.44 | Hurrian | it'll be taken up by the clock |
| 06:40.57 | ruskie | ow? it resizes? |
| 06:41.03 | Hurrian | yeah, i guess |
| 06:41.11 | Hurrian | qml does wonders |
| 06:41.15 | Hurrian | basically, i dont know what else to put in there |
| 06:41.28 | ruskie | does it resize vertically as well? |
| 06:42.45 | reenignEesreveR | is paravirutalizaiton possible on n900? like can i run two OS using a hypervisor or something? |
| 06:42.53 | Hurrian | that's for portrait mode |
| 06:43.02 | Hurrian | i'll do more mockups for portrait |
| 06:44.13 | ruskie | any chance of having a configuration app that would allow a person to pick and choose what is included on the screen? |
| 06:46.09 | jonwil | hopes he can find someone out there that knows how to decode Cell Broadcast SMS |
| 06:46.18 | Hurrian | i'm not the one who's coding it - it's all up to MAG |
| 06:46.23 | ruskie | ahh |
| 06:46.44 | Hurrian | although hopefully it can be done via gconf |
| 06:48.02 | Hurrian | http://goput.it/str/2wc.png |
| 06:48.06 | Hurrian | this better? |
| 06:48.38 | Hurrian | a lot of people were asking for the icons to be done |
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| 06:54.14 | juanmooke | maemo rocks |
| 06:56.44 | HRH_H_Crab | i agree |
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| 06:59.26 | HRH_H_Crab | reenignEesreveR: a quick google suggests that while it might be theoretically possible to implement paravirtualization on arm, not much work has been done so far, and that which has is limited to the latest generation of processors. |
| 07:02.14 | jonwil | I think the N900 with Maemo has a bright future ahead of it as long as there are developers out there willing to work on improvements like lock-screen, open-source-mediaplayer, CBSMS, CSSU and other projects |
| 07:02.16 | RST38h | Hmmm |
| 07:02.26 | RST38h | Am I correct that one cannot share source files between Android projects? |
| 07:03.35 | HRH_H_Crab | jonwil: i agree. the only "fly in the ointment" as i see it, |
| 07:04.15 | HRH_H_Crab | is that as the n900 hardware looks more and more limited when compared to newer devices, developer interest may wane. |
| 07:04.24 | jonwil | maybe |
| 07:04.29 | jonwil | I have no plans to replace my N900 though |
| 07:04.33 | HRH_H_Crab | ive seen a similar thing happen with the sharp zaurus line. |
| 07:04.38 | HRH_H_Crab | i agree. |
| 07:04.48 | HRH_H_Crab | one thing which the n900 has going for it, |
| 07:04.50 | juanmooke | :( |
| 07:04.54 | HRH_H_Crab | is that for a certain class of user, |
| 07:05.08 | jonwil | I would only replace it if something that is just as open becomes available |
| 07:05.10 | HRH_H_Crab | (the *nix geek) i doubt there will be anything better for a VERY long time (if ever) |
| 07:05.26 | jonwil | Oh and it HAS to have a physical keyboard |
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| 07:05.50 | jonwil | Lack of physical keyboard is the #1 reason I didnt buy a Nexus S |
| 07:06.09 | HRH_H_Crab | as soon as i have the funds available i plan to buy another boxed sim free n900 to keep for when something happens to my existing one. |
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| 07:10.23 | juanmooke | i dropped my n900 on tar road a few times and it is still working perfectly. |
| 07:14.15 | jonwil | Looks like ofono may have code that can do the Cell Broadcast SMS decoding |
| 07:14.23 | jonwil | if I can figure out how to make sense of it or use it |
| 07:14.43 | jonwil | Maybe I should ask on the ofono IRC or mailing list... |
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| 07:15.24 | HRH_H_Crab | juanmooke: my biggest fear is actually hosing the charger. |
| 07:15.37 | HRH_H_Crab | every time i plug that usb in and remove it my heart is in my mouth. |
| 07:15.54 | jonwil | I think the USB port on the phone is more likely to be broken than the charger |
| 07:16.00 | HRH_H_Crab | yeah |
| 07:16.03 | HRH_H_Crab | thats what i mean |
| 07:16.29 | HRH_H_Crab | knowing that no other phone that exists is able to provide the experience i crave, and that one is never likely to be made again. |
| 07:16.40 | HRH_H_Crab | and that stocks of n900s are fast running out. |
| 07:16.45 | HRH_H_Crab | *shudder* |
| 07:17.02 | juanmooke | noooo ,so far mine is still in good condition.. |
| 07:18.37 | DocScrutinizer | moo |
| 07:19.12 | DocScrutinizer | meanwhile, if you're wondering which cute "app" to code next: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1038588#post1038588 |
| 07:20.55 | juanmooke | HRH_H_Crab i keep on starring into my usb after u mentioned it.. |
| 07:21.50 | HRH_H_Crab | yeah there are literally only 3 things i can think of to improve on the n900. more cpu, more ram, a sturdier usb port. |
| 07:22.02 | HRH_H_Crab | and to be fair i can probably live without the first two. |
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| 07:23.01 | RST38h | Freaking Android SDK does not appear to allow sharing code and resources between projects |
| 07:23.04 | RST38h | How exciting! |
| 07:24.21 | DocScrutinizer | (<jonwil> Looks like ofono may have code that can do the Cell Broadcast SMS decoding) see http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#Send_SMS def deoctify(arr): for PDU conversion |
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| 07:26.04 | jonwil | Thats python code, I dont know the first thing about python :P |
| 07:26.08 | jonwil | C and C++ I can do |
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| 07:27.11 | jonwil | plus ofono code has other stuff to deal with CBSMS assembly and things |
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| 07:29.23 | ruskie | http://xkcd.com/916/ |
| 07:32.00 | Hurrian | http://goput.it/6pe.png |
| 07:32.03 | Hurrian | oops |
| 07:32.07 | Hurrian | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1038600&postcount=68 |
| 07:32.23 | Hurrian | finally, a pretty much final design |
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| 07:32.47 | RST38h | pleads to the Tentacled One to feast on Android Platform people |
| 07:32.55 | RST38h | Wait. I guess He already did. |
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| 07:35.44 | SpeedEvil | HRH_H_Crab: Dock connector |
| 07:36.20 | HRH_H_Crab | nah, i dont need one of those. |
| 07:36.46 | RST38h | Oh, fuck, its XML include statement does not have a notion of file system paths either =( |
| 07:37.03 | SpeedEvil | HRH_H_Crab: Dock connector = USB port that you use 99% of the time |
| 07:37.11 | SpeedEvil | test |
| 07:37.23 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer ops |
| 07:37.25 | SpeedEvil | !ops |
| 07:37.50 | SpeedEvil | ajcutshall and Cybergeek2021 need banninated - they're PMing people who talk automatically |
| 07:38.04 | HRH_H_Crab | SpeedEvil: i (think) i see what you are saying, but it would surely be easier to just make a less fragile usb port! ;) |
| 07:38.10 | SpeedEvil | Not really |
| 07:38.32 | SpeedEvil | It can be made slightly less fragile by going to a through-hole part in principle. |
| 07:38.41 | SpeedEvil | But it's still not an actual sane connector for docking. |
| 07:38.53 | jonwil | McInUser82673 was also doing that talking thing |
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| 07:44.37 | Corsac | dragly: by the way, does you n950 have 16G or 64G? |
| 07:52.13 | Jaffa | Corsac: I think I heard the N950s have 32G |
| 07:52.17 | Hurrian | ohai corsac |
| 07:52.48 | Hurrian | i've given up on opening up the image, it's like banging rocks together |
| 07:53.13 | Corsac | you don't like banging rocks? :) |
| 07:53.40 | Hurrian | what the f? when i typed that in, norfanin2, marmot2,swiggy,oblenob2,pixie2 /msg'd me |
| 07:54.20 | Hurrian | ircops get in here asap |
| 07:54.23 | Corsac | yeah |
| 07:54.31 | SpeedEvil | On an unrelated matter. |
| 07:54.43 | SpeedEvil | Does anyone know if hte nice nokia speakers are released? |
| 07:55.04 | Hurrian | iirc not until the n9 comes out |
| 07:55.17 | SpeedEvil | sighs. |
| 07:55.37 | SpeedEvil | Those people need banned. They're presumably attempting to excess flood people who talk off. |
| 07:56.06 | Jaffa | SpeedEvil: Nice speakers, aand I love the concept of joining two to get stereo. Pricey though. |
| 07:56.07 | Corsac | do they CTCP too? (I ignore that but...) |
| 07:56.13 | Jaffa | Grrr. |
| 07:56.15 | SpeedEvil | Jaffa: Probably |
| 07:56.20 | Hurrian | ugh, i cant remember that irc mode where you need to be in the same channel to /msg people |
| 07:56.31 | Jaffa | SpeedEvil: Announcement said 149eur each |
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| 07:56.57 | Hurrian | yowch, that's pricey |
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| 07:57.02 | DocScrutinizer | what? |
| 07:57.12 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: OP needed? |
| 07:57.14 | Hurrian | 149eur for the speakers |
| 07:57.15 | *** mode/#maemo [+o DocScrutinizer] by ChanServ |
| 07:57.24 | DocScrutinizer | wazzup? |
| 07:57.32 | Hurrian | doc, they're in a different channel |
| 07:57.32 | SpeedEvil | 149 each! Wow. |
| 07:57.37 | Hurrian | you probably need netop |
| 07:57.42 | DocScrutinizer | haha |
| 07:57.45 | *** mode/#maemo [-o DocScrutinizer] by ChanServ |
| 07:58.03 | SpeedEvil | I'd be surprised if they're in any channel |
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| 07:58.45 | Hurrian | they're all on the 74.63./16 range |
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| 07:59.26 | DocScrutinizer | you're free to /join #freenode and bring the issue to staffers' attention |
| 07:59.45 | Hurrian | Please don't comment on/discuss the spam/trolls |
| 07:59.48 | Hurrian | damn pdpc |
| 07:59.53 | DocScrutinizer | they'll get k-lined in no time - given any staffer is active |
| 08:00.40 | Corsac | ok, trying umode +R |
| 08:00.55 | DocScrutinizer | damn idiots, now they got me too |
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| 08:01.38 | SpeedEvil | Sooner or later, they're gonna be numerous enough to excess flood |
| 08:01.53 | Hurrian | testing mode +R. |
| 08:02.00 | Hurrian | it works! |
| 08:02.14 | Hurrian | no more spam |
| 08:02.21 | Corsac | you might want to ban ajcutshall |
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| 08:04.31 | SpeedEvil | test |
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| 08:07.44 | DocScrutinizer | I think freenode is taking care - runaway IRCbot aiui |
| 08:08.08 | DocScrutinizer | umm, not yet |
| 08:08.44 | Hurrian | ah, broken ircbots, how i hate thee |
| 08:08.47 | Corsac | DocScrutinizer: ajcutshall is the first who pm-ed me, has joined first, is on the same host and as the same real name |
| 08:08.53 | DocScrutinizer | anyway, could somebody grep user list of this chan for hostmasks like 74.63.*.* please |
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| 08:09.08 | *** mode/#maemo [+o DocScrutinizer] by ChanServ |
| 08:09.18 | *** mode/#maemo [+b ajcutshall!*@*] by DocScrutinizer |
| 08:09.20 | *** kick/#maemo [ajcutshall!~halley@openmoko/engineers/joerg] by DocScrutinizer (WTF?!) |
| 08:09.26 | Corsac | /lastlog 74.63 gives him and two others which left |
| 08:09.37 | *** mode/#maemo [-o DocScrutinizer] by ChanServ |
| 08:09.47 | Corsac | but banning 74.63.0.0/16 could be a starting point in case they try to come back |
| 08:09.58 | *** mode/#maemo [+o DocScrutinizer] by ChanServ |
| 08:10.27 | *** mode/#maemo [+b *!*@74.63.0.0/16] by DocScrutinizer |
| 08:10.36 | *** mode/#maemo [-o DocScrutinizer] by ChanServ |
| 08:11.27 | Hurrian | which reminds me, we don't have a !kickban alias on this channel? |
| 08:12.08 | ruskie | why would it be needed? |
| 08:12.44 | Hurrian | mostly allows mods to quickly kickban swaths of users just in case |
| 08:12.56 | Hurrian | anyways, brb going to play GTA IV |
| 08:13.27 | ruskie | you have network ops for that |
| 08:13.35 | ruskie | this isn't ircnet or some other network ;) |
| 08:13.45 | DocScrutinizer | Hurrian: chan alias?? |
| 08:13.57 | DocScrutinizer | what's that? |
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| 08:15.19 | Hurrian | DocScrutinizer, on my homeland IRC network, we have a !kb $USERS command that ops can use to instantly ban and kick errant users |
| 08:15.20 | DocScrutinizer | now what a moron been THAT? |
| 08:15.49 | Hurrian | mostly because a lot of the mods cant be assed to learn mode commands |
| 08:16.15 | DocScrutinizer | I can use /kickban but that's just a macro of my client. I don't think there's any such thing like chan specific public macros |
| 08:16.31 | ruskie | usually a bot is used to handle !commands |
| 08:16.38 | DocScrutinizer | indeed |
| 08:16.43 | DocScrutinizer | we got no such bot |
| 08:16.54 | DocScrutinizer | !hello |
| 08:17.02 | DocScrutinizer | ~botsnack |
| 08:17.02 | infobot | DocScrutinizer: aw, gee |
| 08:17.17 | ruskie | ~kickban |
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| 08:17.20 | DocScrutinizer | infobot has no chanops |
| 08:17.24 | ruskie | true |
| 08:17.41 | DocScrutinizer | I have ;-) |
| 08:17.42 | robbiethe1st | Well, considering most clients - Like xchat - have nice easy ways to kick/ban/unban etc... |
| 08:17.49 | DocScrutinizer | I'm better tan any bot ;-P |
| 08:17.50 | ruskie | yup |
| 08:18.28 | DocScrutinizer | then there's also chanserv which also knows kickban cmd |
| 08:19.34 | DocScrutinizer | err, maybe not |
| 08:20.17 | DocScrutinizer | aaah akick |
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| 08:22.48 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:23.23 | DocScrutinizer | I don't really see the reason for this "double buffered" action though |
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| 08:30.34 | DocScrutinizer | duck and cover, I'm going to remove +b 74.63.*.*, as #freenode says "it's handled" |
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| 08:32.30 | DocScrutinizer | ponders how to exploit infobot to deal with such cases |
| 08:33.50 | DocScrutinizer | ~botsnack |
| 08:33.50 | infobot | DocScrutinizer: thanks |
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| 08:38.13 | otwieracz | Hello. |
| 08:38.57 | otwieracz | Is there any "light" version of maemo for n810 to be a base for lightweight distro for my n810? |
| 08:39.04 | otwieracz | (with e17, etc) |
| 08:39.20 | otwieracz | Kernel and drivers from Diablo. |
| 08:39.39 | otwieracz | But no hildon. |
| 08:40.21 | jrayhawk | Deblet ran e17 okayish. |
| 08:40.37 | jrayhawk | I wonder if that's still around somewhere. |
| 08:41.12 | otwieracz | But, will be enough for everyday use? |
| 08:41.44 | otwieracz | It isn't dead? |
| 08:42.45 | jrayhawk | Ah, looks like http://packages.linuxniche.net/deblet/ is still around, at least. |
| 08:43.10 | jrayhawk | 'dead' is an ambiguous word, perhaps you'd like to more carefully manage your implications? |
| 08:43.32 | otwieracz | not active developed? |
| 08:43.57 | otwieracz | Deblet is, generally, what? |
| 08:44.10 | jrayhawk | That implication applies to varying levels to everything that would run on the n810. |
| 08:44.44 | otwieracz | Right, n810 is "dead". |
| 08:45.19 | otwieracz | Where I can read something about Deblet? |
| 08:45.33 | jrayhawk | I think there's a Meego porting effort, but it's rather limited what with basically everything Meego-related requiring a lot of acceleration. |
| 08:45.45 | jrayhawk | Uh... let's see, what threads are still useful. |
| 08:45.48 | jrayhawk | hmm.. |
| 08:45.52 | otwieracz | Meego is still not usable. |
| 08:46.05 | otwieracz | And I'm afraid that igt never will be on n810. |
| 08:47.52 | DocScrutinizer | anybody still getting PM spam? |
| 08:48.10 | SpeedEvil | hmm |
| 08:48.14 | SpeedEvil | no |
| 08:50.20 | DocScrutinizer | good |
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| 08:50.32 | DocScrutinizer | freenode staff seems has dealt with it |
| 08:51.17 | DocScrutinizer | cheers to freenode staff |
| 08:52.19 | jrayhawk | http://natisbad.org/N810/ looks workable |
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| 08:53.47 | DocScrutinizer | natisbad has awesome stuff, and I like the URL ;-) |
| 08:54.15 | jrayhawk | IIRC Deblet had two problems; one was the Xorg omap server was a lot slower than Xomap, and the other was that there was no real power management being done on the wlan |
| 08:55.20 | jrayhawk | I also don't recall if anyone got WiMAX working, if that matters |
| 08:55.57 | jrayhawk | It's possible Mer will also do what you want, but I don't recall it having a lot of package interoperability with Debian, and it certainly didn't have prebuilt e17 packages like deblet already does. |
| 08:57.04 | jrayhawk | I think all the relevant people still camp out in #mer, so you can ask them what they think the path of least resistance to getting e17 running is. |
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| 09:27.58 | alterego | Can't help but think this Harmattan developer mode is a step back from having a good community repository installed and activated by default. |
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| 09:39.26 | DocScrutinizer | alterego: it's straight from hell in my book |
| 09:40.46 | DocScrutinizer | [2011-06-24 13:59:13] <DocScrutinizer> I'm already happy to tell users "sorry, we can't make hostmode working, as it only would work in developer mode, and in developer mode all the apps that would make use of hostmode actually stop to work" |
| 09:40.48 | DocScrutinizer | [2011-06-24 14:00:01] <DocScrutinizer> nope, no joysticj with your acme hit'n'run game |
| 09:40.49 | DocScrutinizer | [2011-06-24 14:00:33] <DocScrutinizer> nope, no playback of video from external attached storage |
| 09:41.23 | Hurrian | http://goput.it/str/t66.png |
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| 09:41.33 | Hurrian | what do you people think of a red missed call icon? |
| 09:41.43 | Jaffa | Is the switch for "developer mode" the same boot time option for "open" and "closed" mode that was described back in Berlin? |
| 09:42.11 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 09:42.14 | DocScrutinizer | afaik |
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| 09:43.02 | DocScrutinizer | >>> SDK for Windows, Mac OS X, and Linux. In-device tools, such as a terminal application and Nokia Energy Profiler. Some of the tools have a graphical user interface and can be found with the other applications, others can only be used using a command-line interface. To disable the tools, select and Security > Developer mode, and deactivate Developer mode. Do not remove the tools. |
| 09:43.02 | Jaffa | alterego: Technically, apps.meego.com could be authorised to do X, Y & Z. Each repository is signed and given a maximum number of permissions it can expose for apps installed from it. |
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| 09:46.43 | joga | ovi store doesn't work on n900 anymore? |
| 09:46.52 | DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: the implications of this whole aegis security framework concept are so manifold and complex, you can't really evaluate all of the nastiness we'll face once it's widely adopted |
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| 09:47.05 | joga | it just tells me to update, no updates available |
| 09:47.17 | Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: Yes, the technology is interesting - but what it exposes we won't know until we get to the device :-( |
| 09:48.13 | Jaffa | FCC confidentiality's up. |
| 09:48.28 | DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: the technology is "interesting" - the original motivation and rationale is disgusting and driven solely by commercial interests, to protect the device from owner |
| 09:48.47 | DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: ? FCC |
| 09:49.05 | DocScrutinizer | they disclosed the manual, photos etc yesterday, yes |
| 09:49.14 | Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: To try and get big movie studios to sell content for it as a mass-market device. Now it's not a mass-market device :-( |
| 09:49.28 | Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: Yeah, for some reason I must have been swamped yesterday |
| 09:49.59 | DocScrutinizer | I got all the stuff and scrutinized it. We discussed it here in this chan |
| 09:50.02 | dm8tbr | sadly the pictures are not thaat high resolution so you can't identify many things |
| 09:50.30 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, no component labels |
| 09:50.34 | DocScrutinizer | :-/ |
| 09:50.47 | joga | oh, great, sygic doesn't provide maps for n900 anymore? should've bought it earlier I guess... |
| 09:51.17 | DocScrutinizer | joga: maps bitrot |
| 09:51.43 | DocScrutinizer | joga: there's mappero, marble... now |
| 09:52.06 | joga | none of them speak? a map program is useless for car without that |
| 09:52.11 | DocScrutinizer | both do |
| 09:52.15 | joga | well, almost useless |
| 09:52.16 | joga | oh? |
| 09:52.32 | joga | I have both installed and have never heard a squeak |
| 09:52.34 | DocScrutinizer | voice guidance, yes |
| 09:52.43 | joga | I guess I haven't found those features |
| 09:53.06 | DocScrutinizer | marble introduced it recently, mappero has it since quite some time, dunno since when exactly |
| 09:53.22 | jonwil | Are these programs Ovi store programs? |
| 09:53.28 | jonwil | or what? |
| 09:53.29 | DocScrutinizer | nope |
| 09:53.38 | DocScrutinizer | extras(-devel) |
| 09:53.42 | joga | just yesterday I tried finding it in mappero but failed...how to use it? |
| 09:53.48 | joga | oh...devel, right |
| 09:53.52 | dm8tbr | can't be good if it comes from extras ;) |
| 09:54.09 | DocScrutinizer | hehe |
| 09:54.16 | jonwil | Someone has built free-as-in-open-source voice navigation program? Wow, where are these guys getting their mapping data from? |
| 09:54.28 | joga | google etc I guess |
| 09:54.28 | DocScrutinizer | OSM |
| 09:54.46 | jonwil | OSM is great, |
| 09:54.54 | DocScrutinizer | both *can* use google too afaik |
| 09:54.58 | joga | I *really* would have liked to store all the maps on phone instead of relying on intarwebs though |
| 09:55.07 | joga | I guess they can do it though.. |
| 09:55.17 | DocScrutinizer | marble definitely has on-board navi now |
| 09:55.34 | DocScrutinizer | i.e. offline route calc via monav |
| 09:56.16 | DocScrutinizer | marble also has a maps download iirc |
| 09:56.22 | jonwil | Should see if there is a way to use |
| 09:56.35 | jonwil | use General Transit Feed Specificiation transit data with OpenStreetMap map data |
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| 09:56.46 | jonwil | General Transit Feed data is what Google Transit uses |
| 09:56.55 | jonwil | and lots of transit companies publish their routes and timetables in that format :( |
| 09:56.57 | jonwil | :) |
| 09:57.24 | DocScrutinizer | /join #marble |
| 09:57.35 | DocScrutinizer | nice guys |
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| 09:58.05 | DocScrutinizer | achipa: hi |
| 09:58.57 | achipa | DocScrutinizer: hi |
| 09:59.10 | DocScrutinizer | achipa: authenticating to server via server password (which actually is your nickserv password) will help to avoid your original hostmask popping up here prior to getting your cloak applied |
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| 09:59.47 | DocScrutinizer | [2011-06-25 11:57:51] --> achipa hat den Kanal betreten (~attila@a91-155-185-5.elisa-laajakaista.fi). |
| 09:59.49 | DocScrutinizer | [2011-06-25 11:57:51] <-- achipa hat den Server verlassen (Changing host). |
| 09:59.50 | DocScrutinizer | [2011-06-25 11:57:51] --> achipa hat den Kanal betreten (~attila@Maemo/community/council/achipa). |
| 09:59.56 | achipa | yeah, yeah |
| 09:59.57 | achipa | :) |
| 10:00.09 | achipa | pidgin segfault when I try to do that for some reason |
| 10:00.17 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 10:00.21 | joga | hmm...I wonder if there's a feature in marble to "download visible region so that it's usable for routing", I'd like the whole of finland but a bit more than the state borders |
| 10:00.22 | achipa | I think I'm going to reinstall soon anyway |
| 10:01.05 | DocScrutinizer | joga: afaik it's somewhere in context menu or whatever |
| 10:01.58 | dm8tbr | achipa: btw is there a public version of flasher with that wait for charge functionality? |
| 10:02.12 | joga | I can find download region but it says it would take 117kB when finland is visible so I'm pretty sure it takes what is visible and nothing more |
| 10:02.24 | DocScrutinizer | dm8tbr: err sorry? |
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| 10:02.32 | dm8tbr | DocScrutinizer: talking about n9 |
| 10:02.35 | DocScrutinizer | wait for charge? |
| 10:02.36 | achipa | dm8tbr: is the N950 FW available ? |
| 10:02.54 | DocScrutinizer | achipa: n950 is |
| 10:02.57 | dm8tbr | achipa: honestly, I wouldn't know where to check, that's why I asked |
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| 10:03.06 | achipa | get the flasher for N950 |
| 10:03.21 | dm8tbr | I'd have downloaded and stringed the binary :) |
| 10:03.32 | joga | ah...maybe it's the "tile level range" I need to adjust |
| 10:03.35 | DocScrutinizer | what's flasher wait-for-charge option? |
| 10:03.57 | dm8tbr | DocScrutinizer: it will make the device charge if it's deep discharged |
| 10:03.57 | achipa | -Owait-charging is what you want |
| 10:04.05 | dm8tbr | tnx |
| 10:04.09 | dm8tbr | takes a note |
| 10:04.18 | DocScrutinizer | dm8tbr: o.O |
| 10:04.36 | DocScrutinizer | wtf, that worked without flasher on N900 |
| 10:04.39 | dm8tbr | DocScrutinizer: this is crucial for the n9 as there you can't pop out the battery and put it in a different device |
| 10:04.55 | SpeedEvil | dm8tbr: It's really not. |
| 10:05.01 | DocScrutinizer | indeed |
| 10:05.03 | SpeedEvil | dm8tbr: If it's implemented properly. |
| 10:05.07 | DocScrutinizer | .oO(???) |
| 10:05.10 | dm8tbr | SpeedEvil: yes, IF :) |
| 10:05.13 | SpeedEvil | I.E. thresholds set right. |
| 10:05.17 | achipa | the point is you don't want power to go in the middle of flashing |
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| 10:05.25 | achipa | and the flash images area in some cases big |
| 10:05.27 | SpeedEvil | For example - N900 with a slightly older battery will bootloop |
| 10:05.27 | achipa | BIG |
| 10:05.35 | SpeedEvil | This isn't a huge issue. |
| 10:05.43 | SpeedEvil | But would be majorly annoying with a new n9 |
| 10:05.46 | SpeedEvil | older n9 |
| 10:06.27 | DocScrutinizer | I guess it's some alternative to my suggested way to hold 'C' while booting, to tell NOLO to charge properly and not try to boot to a fsckdup system that won't complete charging |
| 10:06.50 | achipa | difficult to hold 'C' when you don't have a keyb :) |
| 10:06.54 | dm8tbr | DocScrutinizer: where's the C key on the n9? :D |
| 10:07.27 | DocScrutinizer | hehe, that's why I said "alternative method" |
| 10:08.01 | DocScrutinizer | *usually* shouldn't be needed to recover from a flat battery |
| 10:08.17 | DocScrutinizer | just if your bme got hosed |
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| 10:08.42 | DocScrutinizer | NOLO tends to boot up system to finish charging as soon as hw boots up |
| 10:09.05 | jonwil | heh, N900 is a lot more reliable in that area than some phones. |
| 10:09.10 | DocScrutinizer | that's why you get flashing deadlock when you try to flash with poorly charged batery |
| 10:09.14 | joga | someone who has used marble to download a region of a map...what are the levels I should use to get streets and usable routing? I see no relation in the levels to zoom scale etc |
| 10:09.42 | SpeedEvil | joga: Z0 is global |
| 10:09.54 | SpeedEvil | joga: Z10 is 4096 tiles round the equator. |
| 10:10.12 | SpeedEvil | joga: Or a little over 10km a tile |
| 10:10.31 | BluesLee | has someone succeeded in mounting nokia meego 1.2/harmattan rootfs? |
| 10:11.05 | jonwil | ok, time to send that email to the ofono mailing list |
| 10:11.07 | jaska | ah yes. reminds me i need to gen tiles for tokyo region, need to have them offline and osm doesnt like me bulk downloading tiles :| |
| 10:11.12 | DocScrutinizer | joga: I don't know how exactly monav works, I think its using vector cards anyway |
| 10:11.20 | joga | SpeedEvil: maybe I'll just make it download a route then... |
| 10:11.21 | DocScrutinizer | unrelated to tiles |
| 10:11.38 | SpeedEvil | joga: that works |
| 10:11.39 | joga | apparently there's also a 100000 tile download limit |
| 10:11.53 | DocScrutinizer | fair enough |
| 10:11.53 | SpeedEvil | joga: The servers are on donated bandwidth - which is flat out |
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| 10:12.02 | joga | and flaky internet here :) |
| 10:12.04 | DocScrutinizer | OSM servers are maxed out all the time |
| 10:12.13 | MohammadAG | does someone have any idea how much power the screen needs when backlight is off? |
| 10:12.17 | SpeedEvil | And scraping tiles where nobody looks is painful, as it makes the server render 'useless' tiles. |
| 10:12.19 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: yes |
| 10:12.24 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: See the webpage |
| 10:12.26 | otwieracz | That Debian for n810 is well-usable? |
| 10:12.36 | MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, got a brief comparison? |
| 10:12.39 | jaska | yeah, i looked at downloading all the tiles i wanted and i figured theyd go apeshit on me if i dl a few million tiles :D |
| 10:12.41 | SpeedEvil | (basically it's identical in terms of power with the backlight at minimum level and off) |
| 10:13.01 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: SpeedEvil did an awesome comprehensive job on listing all those details on the webpage |
| 10:13.03 | MohammadAG | miniumum level would be 0, not the 1 in mce right? |
| 10:13.11 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Power_Consumption |
| 10:13.15 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: no |
| 10:13.21 | alterego | sighs, still no delivery .. |
| 10:13.30 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: I mean minimum level as in the dimmest on the afvanced backlight widget |
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| 10:14.14 | Hurrian | MohammadAG ! |
| 10:14.17 | SpeedEvil | Screen on - no backlight - 80mA. brightest +150mA, one back from that - +40mA |
| 10:14.24 | Hurrian | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1038684&postcount=91 |
| 10:14.43 | Hurrian | how many revisions of the design did i go thru while you were gone? |
| 10:15.11 | jonwil | I see that the CSSU is working on replacing a number of the closed source control panels and widgets (e.g. battery status widget) with open source clones, is there a list somewhere where people are suggesting or discussing which widgets to reimplement? |
| 10:15.12 | MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, so basically, we can keep the screen on for a lockscreen with minimum backlight? |
| 10:15.28 | MohammadAG | Hurrian, going though the whole thread |
| 10:15.47 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: err - no |
| 10:15.51 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: well - you can. |
| 10:15.57 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: but battery life will suck |
| 10:16.00 | DocScrutinizer | jonwil: NB replacing battery widget is kinda missing the target |
| 10:16.02 | SpeedEvil | As in you use 8%/hour or so |
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| 10:16.41 | jonwil | well someone did replace the battery widget for some reason |
| 10:16.44 | jonwil | why I dont know :) |
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| 10:17.05 | alterego | Cool, fcc for n950 is open |
| 10:17.15 | DocScrutinizer | I think that's been MohammadAG and I think he did it simply because it can be done ;-D |
| 10:17.24 | jonwil | :) |
| 10:17.29 | jonwil | well someone cloned the calculator app |
| 10:17.31 | DocScrutinizer | alterego: yes, we all know |
| 10:18.30 | alterego | Cant dl it on N900 :/ |
| 10:18.33 | alterego | lame .. |
| 10:18.39 | DocScrutinizer | jonwil: what we *really* need though is a proper replacement for hald-addon-bme, so whole system will stay unchanged operational, no matter if bme is running or not |
| 10:18.54 | DocScrutinizer | jonwil: way better than replacing just the battery applet |
| 10:19.10 | jonwil | well the Harmattan SDK has a libbmeipc-dev package |
| 10:19.20 | DocScrutinizer | I know |
| 10:19.30 | DocScrutinizer | so it should be really easy |
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| 10:19.38 | joga | agh...I still need to give the zoom levels to download the route and have no idea what I should put there so I can drive about 60km |
| 10:19.42 | DocScrutinizer | I already looked into that |
| 10:19.52 | Hurrian | MohammadAG : is the lockscreen thread the most image heavy thread aside from the screenshot threads? |
| 10:20.22 | MohammadAG | Hurrian, no, you forgot the epic PR1.2 thread |
| 10:20.29 | MohammadAG | pokes lcuk about that |
| 10:20.32 | DocScrutinizer | you just kick out the bottom half that talks to bme, and replace it by a function that derives info directly from /sys |
| 10:20.33 | ab | x:) |
| 10:21.01 | Hurrian | MAG, i wasn't on TMO yet the time PR1.2 came out ;) |
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| 10:21.34 | joga | SpeedEvil: do you have some tip what to put there for such a journey? |
| 10:22.16 | SpeedEvil | joga: http://www.openstreetmap.org/ |
| 10:22.36 | SpeedEvil | http://a.tile.openstreetmap.org/16/60625/37921.png |
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| 10:22.43 | SpeedEvil | For example - one of hte images in the map |
| 10:22.47 | SpeedEvil | That is Z16 |
| 10:23.05 | otwieracz | jrayhawk: this Debian is usable? |
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| 10:23.17 | joga | SpeedEvil: thanks, that helps |
| 10:23.44 | SpeedEvil | http://a.tile.openstreetmap.org/13/7577/4740.png And that's Z13 |
| 10:23.57 | SpeedEvil | Z12 is useful for motorways and stuff |
| 10:24.01 | SpeedEvil | Z10 for countries |
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| 10:25.25 | joga | seems as though it doesn't really start any download...strange |
| 10:25.35 | MohammadAG | Hurrian, I was thinking of a button that I'd drag from the top to the middle |
| 10:25.40 | MohammadAG | or bottom |
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| 10:27.15 | Hurrian | MohammadAG , finished scanning the thread? |
| 10:27.26 | MohammadAG | Hurrian, yep :p |
| 10:28.15 | Hurrian | so, what do you think? |
| 10:28.48 | Hurrian | should the fields be split in landscape mode? |
| 10:29.09 | Hurrian | or should I keep it all in one bar? |
| 10:32.05 | joga | marble doesn't download anything... :( |
| 10:32.45 | SpeedEvil | joga: Check it's the current version - occasionally certain versions of clients get blacklisted because they don't comply with http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tile_usage_policy |
| 10:32.46 | joga | I've calced the route, told it to "download route" with proper levels (about 45MB), then press done, then nothing happens |
| 10:32.54 | joga | SpeedEvil ok.. |
| 10:33.17 | joga | it's 1.1.1 stable |
| 10:33.21 | MohammadAG | personally I think they should be split |
| 10:33.24 | MohammadAG | no point in cramming everything in one bar |
| 10:34.14 | Hurrian | k, sure |
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| 10:34.48 | Hurrian | redesigning |
| 10:36.07 | MohammadAG | hmm |
| 10:36.14 | MohammadAG | FCC docs say the dev device has a 12MP cam |
| 10:37.21 | joga | maybe I'll try getting marble for -devel... |
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| 10:39.15 | jonwil | wonders why someone would want to clone the calculator app for the CSSU. Although that may have been so it can support portrait orientation... |
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| 10:41.09 | jrayhawk | otwieracz: Yeah. My n810 spent a lot of time in Deblet. |
| 10:42.04 | Hurrian | MohammadAG : http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1038706#post1038706 |
| 10:42.14 | khertan_ | Morning |
| 10:42.59 | jrayhawk | On the whole, I don't think the stacking window model (such as e17's) was particulary wise on that hardware; I wound up using Awesome for everything. |
| 10:43.27 | otwieracz | jrayhawk: 1GB SD card will not be enough? |
| 10:43.53 | jrayhawk | So long as you're careful, that'll probably work. |
| 10:44.02 | Hurrian | MohammadAG : ...and we're back to the "usable with one hand" design paradigm. |
| 10:44.07 | otwieracz | jrayhawk: how careful? |
| 10:44.16 | jrayhawk | Well, don't install any giant metapackages like gnome. |
| 10:44.40 | jrayhawk | APT::Install-Recommends "false"; would also help |
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| 10:44.57 | otwieracz | On my desktop I'm using WM which weights⦠109K :) |
| 10:45.09 | jrayhawk | That's the spirit! |
| 10:45.24 | otwieracz | dwm ftw! |
| 10:45.28 | MohammadAG | Hurrian, how come? |
| 10:45.35 | MohammadAG | two points: |
| 10:45.43 | MohammadAG | 1) you're not supposed to using one hand with landscape mode |
| 10:45.46 | otwieracz | (really, most useful WM I've ever seen) |
| 10:45.52 | jonwil | As for me, my next projects are to keep working on CBSMS dumping/decoding, work on improvements to FindMine to make it easier to play without accidentally clicking on a mine square by mistake, maybe create a clone of connui-home-cellular as that will provide help with stuff I need to know for CBSMS app |
| 10:45.59 | MohammadAG | 2) if you meant notifications, then sliding them should be to the middle, not the far end |
| 10:45.59 | jonwil | And maybe also look into cloning hald-addon-bme |
| 10:46.11 | Hurrian | MohammadAG: i meant unlocking the device |
| 10:46.15 | Hurrian | ...like before |
| 10:46.24 | jonwil | since it was mentioned that it was useful to have a replacement |
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| 10:46.50 | otwieracz | jrayhawk: You have some time now? |
| 10:46.54 | Hurrian | jonwil, that'd be interesting to see |
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| 10:47.16 | otwieracz | jrayhawk: Maybe I'll try and your help may be important :) |
| 10:47.52 | jonwil | which of my items would be interesting to see? |
| 10:48.18 | Hurrian | the open BME replacement. |
| 10:48.27 | jonwil | This isnt BME, its hald-addon-bme |
| 10:48.30 | Hurrian | ah |
| 10:48.51 | jonwil | there are already efforts to create things that can do some or all of what bme does |
| 10:48.58 | jrayhawk | Not sure how much help I can be, but sure. |
| 10:49.14 | Hurrian | MohammadAG : are you going to start on the massive work that's needed? |
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| 10:49.54 | otwieracz | OK, so let's start. |
| 10:49.56 | jonwil | Is it possible to pull packages (source or ARMEL binaries) from extras/extras-devel in a Scratchbox install? |
| 10:49.58 | Ekce | hey guys, what font settings do you use on xchat? the defaults are kinda hard to see on the screen :) |
| 10:50.04 | otwieracz | How many swap to make? |
| 10:50.30 | otwieracz | In case of only ~950MB free total? |
| 10:51.04 | jrayhawk | Probably best to use a swapfile in that circumstance. |
| 10:51.55 | jrayhawk | 'swapspace' being the package for that. |
| 10:52.11 | FredrIQ|n900 | <Ekce> hey guys, what font settings do you use on xchat? the defaults are kinda hard to see on the screen :) |
| 10:52.14 | jrayhawk | I doubt you'll need it for installation, but once you start running graphical applications it'll come in handy. |
| 10:52.16 | FredrIQ|n900 | droid sans mono 8 |
| 10:52.27 | FredrIQ|n900 | and switched own text color to white |
| 10:52.42 | FredrIQ|n900 | (if that isn't done per default yet - impossible to read) |
| 10:53.12 | MohammadAG | Hurrian, in a bit :p |
| 10:53.33 | MohammadAG | <jonwil> Is it possible to pull packages (source or ARMEL binaries) from extras/extras-devel in a Scratchbox install? |
| 10:53.33 | Hurrian | ah, k |
| 10:53.38 | otwieracz | OK, I one create Linux partition for whole SD card. |
| 10:53.53 | MohammadAG | deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel fremantle free non-free |
| 10:53.53 | MohammadAG | deb-src http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel fremantle free |
| 10:54.00 | jonwil | ok, great |
| 10:54.00 | MohammadAG | add those to /etc/apt/sources.list, apt-get update |
| 10:54.10 | FredrIQ|n900 | so, i have a class 2 microSD card |
| 10:54.19 | FredrIQ|n900 | would meego run with usable speed or not? |
| 10:54.31 | FredrIQ|n900 | (just wanted to test it, mostly) |
| 10:54.42 | otwieracz | /dev/sdb1 * 16 2012159 1006072 83 Linux |
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| 10:55.01 | SpeedEvil | Classes are a very poor representation of the important things - whihc is mosl random access speeds |
| 10:55.09 | SpeedEvil | Mostly |
| 10:55.36 | jonwil | mail sent to ofono mailing list :) |
| 10:55.42 | Ekce | FredrIQ|n900, good tip, but I don't have the droid sans font for some reason. Using nokia sans size 12 and green text and it's good enough :) |
| 10:56.17 | FredrIQ|n900 | Ekce, ok :P |
| 10:56.20 | Ekce | any shortcut way to tab user nick in xchat btw? sry bout the noob questions |
| 10:56.30 | SpeedEvil | I think it's alt-space |
| 10:56.31 | FredrIQ|n900 | shift+space |
| 10:56.39 | SpeedEvil | I remapped it to shift-rightarrow |
| 10:56.44 | FredrIQ|n900 | alt? |
| 10:57.02 | SpeedEvil | shift |
| 10:57.07 | Ekce | FredrIQ|n900, thanks again :) |
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| 10:57.11 | MohammadAG | Hurrian, I was thinking of a settings dialog, that would require some secret gesture |
| 10:57.13 | FredrIQ|n900 | np |
| 10:57.17 | SpeedEvil | I use nokia sans semibold 14 |
| 10:58.04 | FredrIQ|n900 | nokia sans isn't monospace :( |
| 10:58.18 | FredrIQ|n900 | (yes, i prefer monospace on IRC for some reason) |
| 11:00.09 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: what's your take on gesture daemon? interested? |
| 11:00.29 | otwieracz | jrayhawk: In this process, I will install bootloader, Debian with debootstrap then compile kernel and flash device with it? |
| 11:00.33 | Hurrian | MohammadAG , stuff it in Settings, not in the lockscreen ;) |
| 11:00.34 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, it should be implemented in hildon-desktop |
| 11:00.43 | DocScrutinizer | errr |
| 11:00.52 | Hurrian | you know what would be nice? if the lockscreen replaced the "secure device" dialog |
| 11:01.05 | Hurrian | tap to unlock -- but there's a code! |
| 11:01.16 | jrayhawk | I think the kernels are already compiled somewhere. |
| 11:01.17 | DocScrutinizer | we actually *might* need some hooks in there, but basically the daemon itself should be unrelated |
| 11:01.33 | Hurrian | i mean, not like the n900's secure anyway, why not make the lock screen nice? |
| 11:01.43 | MohammadAG | but yes, I'm interested in anything that keeps the N900 up and running, whether I get the N950 or not |
| 11:01.56 | otwieracz | jrayhawk: I don't see here⦠|
| 11:01.59 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: I'm quite willing to discuss this implementation rationale though |
| 11:02.07 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: I might be wrong |
| 11:02.27 | otwieracz | jrayhawk: But, It's too many work for this moment. |
| 11:03.02 | otwieracz | jrayhawk: so sad, that nobody done âready-to-installâ Debian image for n810. |
| 11:03.17 | jrayhawk | If I recall correctly, the sequence is something like install bootloader, debian with debootstrap, install extra packages from deblet, install kernel from deblet |
| 11:03.45 | otwieracz | Ah, kernel from deblet. |
| 11:04.29 | otwieracz | So It's not such many work⦠|
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| 11:07.21 | jrayhawk | Uh, hmm. Maybe the default Diablo kernel works fine and they just add modules on top of that? |
| 11:07.38 | jrayhawk | It's been, like, two years since I last played with this, so my memory is a bit hazy. |
| 11:09.41 | MohammadAG | Hurrian, the lock code is handled by mce |
| 11:09.58 | MohammadAG | also the lockscreen is multiplatform :p |
| 11:10.13 | otwieracz | I'll see. |
| 11:10.20 | MohammadAG | I plan to add MeeGo/Harmattan support, if I get an N950, the code is built to allow that |
| 11:11.06 | jrayhawk | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=23051 |
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| 11:14.48 | otwieracz | jrayhawk: bootloader ready to install? |
| 11:14.50 | otwieracz | Will be awesome. |
| 11:15.14 | jrayhawk | Just pray that all the resources are still hosted in their appropriate spots. |
| 11:16.11 | Hurrian | MohammadAG : working on implementing all the new bars? |
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| 11:16.38 | Hurrian | BTW, the overlay on the album art is the "time left" on the song |
| 11:16.48 | otwieracz | Hmm. |
| 11:17.02 | otwieracz | âOperation failedâ while trying to execute .install file. |
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| 11:18.30 | MohammadAG | Hurrian, still have no idea how to get missed calls/SMS/IM count |
| 11:19.08 | Hurrian | uhh, where is it stored that a message is unread in Conversations? |
| 11:19.31 | Hurrian | porbably just count how many unread messages there are |
| 11:19.46 | MohammadAG | some database afaik, but polling that isn't the right way |
| 11:19.47 | gri | rtcom eventlogger has a is_read flag on messages |
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| 11:24.10 | jonwil | ok, lets get findmine source code up and going |
| 11:28.22 | Hurrian | http://goput.it/str/j93.png |
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| 11:29.26 | Ekce86 | Hurrian, is that on N900? very nice! |
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| 11:32.55 | Hurrian | Ekce86 : MohammadAG's implementing it in code right now. |
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| 11:34.42 | FIQ | MeeGo CE logo looks a bit like ubuntu's |
| 11:34.57 | jonwil | Will this lock-screen replace the security code screen? |
| 11:35.26 | MohammadAG | no |
| 11:35.30 | FIQ | couldn't test networking as I don't have wifi around, but whatever |
| 11:35.45 | MohammadAG | it'll be like the stock lock screen, unlocking the screen still points to the lock dialog |
| 11:36.03 | MohammadAG | ~seen Venemo |
| 11:36.08 | infobot | venemo <~Timur@fedora/Venemo> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 1d 1h 33m 18s ago, saying: 'roofboard, I agree'. |
| 11:37.16 | jrayhawk | otwieracz: I think my old deblet install is intact; I'll see if I can get it running and get an image. |
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| 11:38.30 | otwieracz | jrayhawk: I will be thankfull. |
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| 11:47.18 | Ekce86 | MohammadAG, trying out the lockscreen right now, and it's awesome. although it seems to switch to the same track all the time for some reason |
| 11:47.19 | jrayhawk | Hmm. It boots, but one of the three layers of keyboard abstraction seems to be broken. How tedious. |
| 11:47.53 | MohammadAG | Ekce86, check your playlist in the mediaplayer |
| 11:50.42 | otwieracz | I'll tru the installer. |
| 11:51.04 | otwieracz | WARNING: You should either have a clean initfs before installing bootmenu or have fanoush's bootmenu installed (we've seen trouble with penguinbait initfs?) |
| 11:51.10 | otwieracz | How to clean initfs? |
| 11:52.14 | otwieracz | Simply rm -rf /mnt/initfs/*? |
| 11:52.17 | jrayhawk | It's not an issue unless you've been messing around with the init fs. |
| 11:52.29 | Ekce86 | MohammadAG, alright, I emptied the now playing list and now it's working like a charm, thanks man |
| 11:53.37 | jrayhawk | Ah, I must've dist-upgraded this userspace while using it as a chroot and overwritten some important deblet stuff. |
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| 11:54.56 | otwieracz | So, what with this initfs? |
| 11:55.18 | jrayhawk | Do you know how an initrd works? |
| 11:55.55 | otwieracz | Kernel mount initramfs, then for example load modules to mount real root. |
| 11:56.03 | otwieracz | Most common usasge of initramfs. |
| 11:57.05 | jrayhawk | Yeah, it's an intermediary userspace used to bring up full userspaces. initrds obviously have filesystems that live entirely in memory. The Maemo initfs is an intermediate userspace that lives on some flash. |
| 11:57.16 | Hurrian | MohammadAG : dump all the sliders |
| 11:57.22 | Hurrian | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1038775&postcount=111 |
| 11:58.00 | jrayhawk | bootmenu modifies that intermediate userspace to give you a an interactive choice in the boot sequence to decide what full userspace you want to end up in. |
| 11:58.41 | otwieracz | Roll on! |
| 11:58.43 | otwieracz | And reboot. |
| 11:59.19 | otwieracz | Push menu to⦠|
| 11:59.24 | otwieracz | And Maemo is booting. |
| 11:59.27 | jrayhawk | push and hold |
| 11:59.30 | jrayhawk | it's finnicky :( |
| 11:59.34 | jrayhawk | you have to move very fast |
| 11:59.43 | otwieracz | Menu button? |
| 11:59.47 | otwieracz | Dropdown menu button? |
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| 11:59.50 | jrayhawk | Yeah. |
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| 12:00.12 | kerio | don't you need to turn the n900 on with the keyboard open? |
| 12:00.15 | otwieracz | And I have âInternal flashâ and âPower offâ to choice. |
| 12:00.53 | otwieracz | Now install Deblet? |
| 12:01.18 | jrayhawk | Yeah, probably. |
| 12:01.45 | otwieracz | Debian here will be awesome ;) |
| 12:01.50 | otwieracz | And no hildon. |
| 12:02.18 | otwieracz | Hmm, there's no cool Deblet environment. |
| 12:02.32 | otwieracz | Only LXDE, GNOME, KDE and barebones X. |
| 12:02.42 | jrayhawk | Just a second, one guy made e17 packages... |
| 12:02.53 | otwieracz | But, at this moment, Barebones X. |
| 12:02.56 | otwieracz | Right? |
| 12:02.57 | jrayhawk | Yeah. |
| 12:04.24 | otwieracz | Uhm, I have to choice mmcblk0 or mmcblk1. |
| 12:04.28 | otwieracz | Which is external? |
| 12:04.41 | otwieracz | I can't run terminal now and check with âmountâ. |
| 12:04.51 | jrayhawk | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=23087 e17 packages |
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| 12:05.38 | jrayhawk | mmcblk0 is internal, so mmcblk1 is probably external |
| 12:06.14 | jrayhawk | I don't know where my minisd adapter is to verify for certain, but hey, what's life without adventure :) |
| 12:06.46 | DocScrutinizer | watch out, there's a lot of confusion around this! |
| 12:07.07 | jrayhawk | Yeah, I think the n800 had a different setup. |
| 12:07.14 | MohammadAG | mmcblk1 in internal on bootup |
| 12:07.24 | DocScrutinizer | nah, there's been this swapping the names madness |
| 12:07.34 | jrayhawk | ooh, scary |
| 12:07.35 | DocScrutinizer | and still is |
| 12:08.05 | otwieracz | Hmm. |
| 12:08.08 | jrayhawk | uh, well, is this installer you're playing with running from the initfs or from the full maemo root? |
| 12:08.09 | ToJa92 | could someone help me with my n900? I did a apt-get upgrade when I received a CSSU update, and I got some upgraded QT-packages which stopped QT-apps requiring network access from running. |
| 12:08.11 | otwieracz | It was external. |
| 12:08.16 | jrayhawk | haha thank goodness |
| 12:08.20 | MohammadAG | meego wise, if there's a uSD in, that's mmcblk0, else, eMMC is mmcblk0 |
| 12:08.28 | DocScrutinizer | on boot the kernel checks external first then internal, and numbers accordingly (means internal has different name depending if you got external or not) |
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| 12:08.38 | Hurrian | ToJa92: apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 12:08.43 | DocScrutinizer | then later in boot names get swapped |
| 12:08.43 | MohammadAG | ToJa92, which update? 15 is fairly stable |
| 12:08.54 | DocScrutinizer | but not for all locations |
| 12:09.06 | jrayhawk | "locations"...? |
| 12:09.06 | MohammadAG | use apt-get install mp-fremantle-community-pr |
| 12:09.09 | Hurrian | MAG : saw the latest mockups? the message/call sliders are trashed |
| 12:09.10 | MohammadAG | not dist-upgrade |
| 12:09.20 | DocScrutinizer | like /proc/* for example |
| 12:09.43 | jrayhawk | Ah, yeah, I guess that makes sense. What an unfortunate decision. |
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| 12:10.45 | ToJa92 | MohammadAG: I'm using the "stable" version(honestly I'm not sure what version it is) |
| 12:10.54 | jrayhawk | oh yeah, i guess you probably don't need fatalsaint's e17 packages what with those actually being in debian, now |
| 12:11.08 | MohammadAG | ToJa92, check settings then |
| 12:11.11 | otwieracz | Now we're waiting for download⦠|
| 12:11.27 | ToJa92 | "mp-fremantle-community-pr is already the newest version." |
| 12:11.30 | jrayhawk | I hope it correctly pulls off of archive.debian.org rather than the normal mirrors. |
| 12:11.44 | ToJa92 | dist-upgrade fails, hang on and I'll get the output |
| 12:11.56 | MohammadAG | ToJa92, what apps fail to start? |
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| 12:13.42 | DocScrutinizer | jrayhawk: on N900 cat /proc/partitions shows "incorrect" when mount displays what you assume to be correct |
| 12:14.23 | RST38h | Anyone else experiences audio problems in games like Tecnoballz, Hex-a-Hop, Gweled, etc? |
| 12:14.29 | ToJa92 | MohammadAG: Facebook, groove, fapman |
| 12:14.31 | RST38h | I am no longer getting any audio at all |
| 12:15.45 | MohammadAG | by facebook you mean sociality? |
| 12:15.56 | MohammadAG | all 3 work fine for me |
| 12:16.25 | DocScrutinizer | jrayhawk: there's a ticket on bugs.maemo.org for it |
| 12:16.49 | ToJa92 | yeah |
| 12:17.01 | RST38h | Mohammad: Could you tell me what versions of sdl, mikmod and vorbis you have? (see tecnoballz depends) |
| 12:17.03 | ToJa92 | dist-upgrade gives me this error http://pastebin.com/G2QXJ9W0 |
| 12:17.26 | ToJa92 | Could it be related to me having the unofficial busybox upgrade installed? |
| 12:18.00 | DocScrutinizer | dist-upgrade? you bet gives error, it kills your system |
| 12:18.35 | DocScrutinizer | absolutely deprecated |
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| 12:19.02 | DocScrutinizer | as is auto-remove |
| 12:19.18 | kerio | autoremove is deprecated? D: |
| 12:19.56 | DocScrutinizer | it removes bits that aren't locked into anything else. For me it broke SIP |
| 12:20.26 | DocScrutinizer | if I'm not completely losing my mind now |
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| 12:23.54 | DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools |
| 12:24.01 | merlin1991 | yeah autoremove == evil! |
| 12:24.16 | DocScrutinizer | echo "NONONO!! Don't do that!" |
| 12:24.18 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:24.34 | otwieracz | apting⦠apting⦠|
| 12:27.00 | ekce86 | MohammadAG, will Hurrian's lockscreen be implemented today for us to upgrade from -devel? |
| 12:27.21 | MohammadAG | ekce86, hopefully |
| 12:28.02 | Hurrian | waitwaitwait, MohammadAG, you're actually going to do it today? |
| 12:28.06 | ToJa92 | MohammadAG: Any clue? Or should I just reflash? |
| 12:28.07 | Hurrian | need the icons? |
| 12:28.31 | Hurrian | BTW, refer to http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1038775&postcount=111 for the finalized design |
| 12:28.31 | MohammadAG | ToJa92, output of Qt app from terminal? |
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| 12:28.41 | otwieracz | jrayhawk: install failed :( |
| 12:29.03 | MohammadAG | Hurrian, I'll push the old design in a bit, cause my initial one was crap |
| 12:29.03 | jrayhawk | Any particularly useful output? |
| 12:29.15 | MohammadAG | then I'll start on the new one |
| 12:29.34 | Hurrian | MohammadAG , i downloaded the latest enhanced-lockscreen off your server |
| 12:29.38 | Hurrian | nice buttons ;) |
| 12:29.39 | ToJa92 | MohammadAG: all three just segfaults |
| 12:29.50 | otwieracz | jrayhawk: âFailure while trying to run: chroot /mnt/deblet dpkg --force-depends --install var/cache/apt/archives/base-files_5lenny9_armel.deb var/cache/apt/archives/base-passwd_3.5.20_armel.deb |
| 12:29.54 | otwieracz | â |
| 12:30.05 | Hurrian | although there's a bug: it doesn't skip the song IF the song is paused |
| 12:30.06 | MohammadAG | ToJa92, hmm, that's weird |
| 12:30.24 | jrayhawk | Can you verify that file exists? |
| 12:30.26 | MohammadAG | Hurrian, it does, but mafw doesn't emit the metadata changed signal |
| 12:30.31 | FIQ | by the way, how come if I forward X from N900 to computer and run something in wine, i cannot use the keyboard? |
| 12:30.32 | Hurrian | ah |
| 12:30.45 | FIQ | i.e. the focus is still on the terminal |
| 12:30.54 | FIQ | but all other X applications works fine |
| 12:30.56 | xraptorx | Anyone one is from NY or exist a irc channel from them |
| 12:31.19 | ekce86 | MohammadAG, alright, I'm waiting eagerly :) much appreciated |
| 12:31.23 | FIQ | uh |
| 12:31.28 | FIQ | forwarding X from computer to N900* |
| 12:31.41 | Hurrian | MohammadAG : are you going to remake the icons or will i supply them to you? |
| 12:31.47 | otwieracz | jrayhawk: wait a moment⦠|
| 12:31.52 | DocScrutinizer | FIQ: fun, isn't it? |
| 12:31.54 | Hurrian | if you need them, i'll zip them up |
| 12:32.02 | FIQ | much |
| 12:32.05 | MohammadAG | RST38h, libsdl1.2 1:1.2.13-2maemo8+0m5 |
| 12:32.07 | jrayhawk | archive.debian.org doesn't appear to be in the mirrors list, so it may have completely failed to download |
| 12:32.09 | FIQ | why does it do that? |
| 12:32.14 | FIQ | and can i dodge it somehow? |
| 12:32.35 | otwieracz | jrayhawk: Yes, it exists. |
| 12:32.37 | jrayhawk | unless it gave you a way to put that in manually |
| 12:32.39 | jrayhawk | ah, okay |
| 12:32.46 | MohammadAG | RST38h, libmikmod2 3.1.11-a-2 |
| 12:32.51 | ToJa92 | MohammadAG: Could you just do "dpkg -l|grep libqt" and send me the output so that I can compare the versions? |
| 12:33.19 | MohammadAG | RST38h, libvorbisfile3 1.2.3.tk1 |
| 12:33.51 | DocScrutinizer | FIQ: you do what? forward a wine session on PC via vnc to N900? |
| 12:34.06 | FIQ | no, via X (ssh) |
| 12:34.06 | otwieracz | jrayhawk: I'll try again⦠|
| 12:34.14 | DocScrutinizer | aaah |
| 12:34.18 | DocScrutinizer | no idea |
| 12:34.22 | FIQ | too bad |
| 12:34.30 | MohammadAG | ToJa92, ii libqt4-gui 1:4.7.0~git20100909-0maemo1+0cssu1 |
| 12:37.05 | khertan_ | pretty strange error in sdk : http://pastebin.com/iwnYjDvv |
| 12:38.33 | ToJa92 | MohammadAG: If it isn't too much of a hassle, could you /msg me the list or put it on pastebin? |
| 12:39.13 | MoonTiger | i have to say Qt is a wonderful framework |
| 12:39.16 | MoonTiger | i am impressed |
| 12:39.31 | khertan_ | until you do qml stuff |
| 12:39.32 | khertan_ | :) |
| 12:40.02 | MoonTiger | hmmmmmm im loving c++ right now |
| 12:40.07 | MoonTiger | it feels like coming home |
| 12:40.48 | MohammadAG | ToJa92, http://pastebin.com/Aub6iG6R |
| 12:41.43 | ToJa92 | MohammadAG: No libqtm* packages installed? |
| 12:42.42 | MohammadAG | ToJa92, those aren't touched in the CSSU |
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| 12:43.32 | ToJa92 | well the libqt4- package versions matches |
| 12:43.49 | ToJa92 | guess I'll be looking at reflashing this afternoon then |
| 12:43.56 | MohammadAG | try apt-get --reinstall instail-ing them |
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| 12:48.22 | DocScrutinizer | btw - regarding this security framework thing in maemo6 - look at http://paste.ubuntu.com/630386/ line1-8 for signed/hashed modules I'd say |
| 12:48.30 | DocScrutinizer | buzzword aegis |
| 12:49.38 | DocScrutinizer | NB phonet and cmt are running under security according to this |
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| 12:49.54 | DocScrutinizer | ola javispedro |
| 12:50.11 | javispedro | helo |
| 12:50.21 | DocScrutinizer | for you: |
| 12:50.26 | DocScrutinizer | btw - regarding this security framework thing in maemo6 - look at http://paste.ubuntu.com/630386/ line1-8 for signed/hashed modules I'd say |
| 12:50.49 | ShadowJK | so you can't run your own kernels and os and retain phone functions? |
| 12:50.56 | javispedro | dunno, looks like a srchash to me |
| 12:50.59 | DocScrutinizer | indeed |
| 12:51.16 | DocScrutinizer | well, it's all handwaving by me |
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| 12:52.14 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: I do not think it is anything about hashed modules. Why hash g_softupd.ko and not, say, iommu.ko? This is the kernel, either all of them are hashed or it is as good as if noone was. |
| 12:52.25 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: depending on policies that might be what it means |
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| 12:53.10 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: I'm just spreading FUD atm |
| 12:53.12 | khertan_ | DocScrutinizer,http://pastebin.com/iwnYjDvv |
| 12:53.15 | ToJa92 | MohammadAG: Well that did fix the issue (not sure why I didn't try that before). Thanks |
| 12:53.37 | MohammadAG | I'm all for the security framework for Ovi apps and such, but why the kernel? :/ |
| 12:53.53 | khertan_ | once you have the kernel |
| 12:54.03 | khertan_ | i mean an access |
| 12:54.12 | khertan_ | you can by pass everything you want |
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| 12:54.55 | javispedro | khertan_'s FUD is way more scaring |
| 12:55.00 | javispedro | (I mean that pastebin) |
| 12:56.30 | DocScrutinizer | just went twittering a bit. Maybe should reduce number of posts, and increase timespan and amount of pondering between running into sth and posting my thoughts here ;-) |
| 12:56.45 | MohammadAG | khertan_, fakeroot? |
| 12:57.00 | MohammadAG | I want the Harmattan SDK :( |
| 12:57.02 | khertan_ | MohammadAG, yep ;) |
| 12:57.11 | khertan_ | fakeroot i ve put it after ;) |
| 12:57.27 | khertan_ | but it s funny to got this strange error |
| 12:57.38 | khertan_ | about aegis ... when install a package in the sdk |
| 12:57.54 | khertan_ | have python problem in scratchbox |
| 12:57.59 | khertan_ | MohammadAG, ? what the problem ? |
| 12:58.07 | RST38h | yawns |
| 12:58.12 | RST38h | helo javispedro |
| 12:58.31 | javispedro | RST38h: hello |
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| 12:59.47 | Hurrian | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1038806&postcount=122 |
| 13:00.02 | Hurrian | maximum_trolling.bmp |
| 13:00.42 | javispedro | it is actually very easy to do a transparent screen |
| 13:01.14 | javispedro | just set truecolor visual with alpha channel |
| 13:01.16 | DocScrutinizer | bcm4751-gps.ko :-o |
| 13:01.22 | RST38h | javispedro: Just found that Android SDK forces you to keep all your source code and data in the same directory |
| 13:01.30 | RST38h | two directories actually, ok |
| 13:01.34 | javispedro | h-d will composite it with desktop background automatically |
| 13:01.40 | javispedro | RST38h: Java, Java. |
| 13:01.50 | RST38h | javispedro: I.e. if I have got a few classes that are shared between projects, I am forced to copy them |
| 13:02.11 | khertan_ | javispedro, corruptedJava, corruptedJava, corruptedJava, |
| 13:02.40 | javispedro | this entire "thou must use our holy directory structure" is a very Java thing |
| 13:02.43 | RST38h | javispedro: I am not sure how people can do any serious programming using this stuff |
| 13:02.52 | MoonTiger | how do i show the notification popups in maemo qt apps |
| 13:02.53 | MoonTiger | ? |
| 13:02.55 | RST38h | javispedro: it all feels like a toy |
| 13:03.06 | MoonTiger | the semi-transparent bar that goes across the screen i mean |
| 13:04.34 | javispedro | RST38h: the question is: does it cather to all those toy application developers so that android can someday say they have an order of magnitude more fart applications that iphone? |
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| 13:04.54 | MoonTiger | ok well what is the "correect" way to show user errors on dialog boxes for maemo? |
| 13:05.11 | GAN900 | Gay pride parade in front of the store today. |
| 13:05.19 | GAN900 | prays for some rain. |
| 13:05.23 | MoonTiger | GAN900, where are you? |
| 13:05.55 | GAN900 | St. Petersburg, FL |
| 13:06.02 | MoonTiger | why do u want rain? |
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| 13:06.11 | javispedro | WTH? http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/24/nokias-android-flirtations-revealed/ |
| 13:06.24 | MohammadAG | I miss rain |
| 13:07.30 | Hurrian | javispedro, LOOK AT THAT SCREEN DENSITY |
| 13:07.32 | Hurrian | looks legit |
| 13:07.32 | GAN900 | Because it's my job to keep entitled, rude bastards from filling up the parking lot. |
| 13:07.39 | GAN900 | and rain will thin the crowds. |
| 13:07.46 | GAN900 | 80k expected to attend |
| 13:08.11 | javispedro | GAN900: you do not want rain then, but fire balls from the sky |
| 13:08.30 | javispedro | depending on your location, the latter might have more chances =) |
| 13:08.42 | RST38h | javispedro: more or less |
| 13:08.51 | RST38h | GAN900: Why?Do you like your gays wet? |
| 13:08.54 | MoonTiger | GAN900, so you are homophobic then? |
| 13:09.59 | GAN900 | MoonTiger, no, I just don't like spending my morning in the hot sun telling people who think everyone who tells them not to do something is a homophobe why I'd prefer they not shut down my place of employment today. :) |
| 13:10.38 | MoonTiger | GAN900, so if it was a free-beer and rock music with hot chics parade you would do the same yes? |
| 13:10.43 | RST38h | GAN900:Which bring up the next logical question: If someone hates straight people too, is he STILL homophobic?=) |
| 13:11.45 | GAN900 | MoonTiger, yes, though, anecdotally, I find far fewer problems with the expectation of free public use of private property with most other events. |
| 13:12.17 | MoonTiger | if its private property then the people who own it have obviously given permission no? |
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| 13:13.24 | MohammadAG | <MoonTiger> why do u want rain? |
| 13:13.40 | MohammadAG | haven't seen it in a while |
| 13:14.57 | MoonTiger | doesn't like homophobic people |
| 13:15.25 | GAN900 | MoonTiger, yes, clearly, or I wouldn't be standing outside telling people not to park next to the front door if they're not shopping here. |
| 13:16.04 | javispedro | you think gays need _permission_? |
| 13:16.06 | GAN900 | doesn't much care for people who attribute broad stereotypes to people they disagree with. |
| 13:16.09 | MoonTiger | GAN900, so if they have permission isn't it just something you have to deal with? |
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| 13:16.22 | GAN900 | They don't have permission |
| 13:16.27 | MoonTiger | then call the cops |
| 13:16.36 | GAN900 | They think they're entitled to free parking wherever they want |
| 13:16.47 | GAN900 | MoonTiger, I have, but it's generally a last resort. |
| 13:17.13 | otwieracz | jrayhawk: we'll see if it will work now. |
| 13:17.23 | otwieracz | jrayhawk: currently installing packages. |
| 13:17.24 | javispedro | GAN900: but aren't you in the US? just bring out the shotgun! ;) |
| 13:18.23 | SpeedEvil | GAN900: Put on some hot chaps, to make sure they know you're not homophobic. |
| 13:18.53 | GAN900 | SpeedEvil, ugh, the leather costumes people manage to put together. . . . |
| 13:19.10 | tank-man | you don't call the cop for unauthorized parking, you call the tow company |
| 13:20.09 | MohammadAG | Hurrian, "hey, you know, there are WOMEN who use the N900! yes, WOMEN!" - 12 I'd say |
| 13:20.11 | SpeedEvil | Just sign it 'Car recycling point' |
| 13:20.22 | SpeedEvil | And then get all the cars crushed for profit. |
| 13:20.23 | MohammadAG | I mean, they barely make up 1% with sociality's stats :P |
| 13:20.36 | MohammadAG | just thought I'd say that |
| 13:20.39 | MoonTiger | i just replace the word "gay" with "black" and see if the sentence is still unoffensive ... if it is the cool ... otherwise not so much |
| 13:20.58 | MoonTiger | MohammadAG, 13 |
| 13:21.04 | Hurrian | MohammadAG : still, not even a lie that women actually bought that thick, heavy, black hunk of junk |
| 13:21.10 | MohammadAG | hmm, wow, they're 5% |
| 13:21.13 | Hurrian | *that'swhatHEsaid" |
| 13:21.31 | MohammadAG | out of 4027 users |
| 13:21.37 | mrdongle | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:21.41 | Hurrian | also, inb4 lock screen thread turns into a troll thread |
| 13:22.09 | Hurrian | vi_ : I wunt 9 lok screenz with widgets and a appz luncher with a map and polling all hardware all time. |
| 13:22.26 | Hurrian | holy crap, you can find so many of these in the maemo 5 screenshots thread |
| 13:22.26 | MohammadAG | most N900 users w/ a facebook are from germany |
| 13:22.27 | MoonTiger | Hurrian, and battery life of more than 1 hr? |
| 13:22.48 | MohammadAG | I think I should remove images from the binary |
| 13:22.55 | Hurrian | MAG: gconf tiem |
| 13:23.29 | MohammadAG | no, QSettings |
| 13:23.34 | Hurrian | ah |
| 13:23.40 | Hurrian | right, you're using qt |
| 13:24.11 | Hurrian | i always wondered why there are so. many. ricer. desktops. in the M5 screenshot thread, and none at all in M2-4 screenshots |
| 13:24.32 | MohammadAG | either I remove the images from the binary, or I keep it there and allow a custom one |
| 13:24.47 | Hurrian | MAG : remove it, and prompt for a wallpaper on first launch |
| 13:24.51 | javispedro | MohammadAG: make it transparent and h-d will show desktop background |
| 13:25.05 | javispedro | but sadly I have no idea how to do that with Qt =) |
| 13:25.40 | MohammadAG | Hurrian, no, that's not practical |
| 13:25.45 | Hurrian | D: |
| 13:25.55 | MohammadAG | javispedro, and on MeeGo? :P |
| 13:26.18 | javispedro | no idea, will test it today |
| 13:26.30 | Hurrian | MAG: just require the settings app to be run before using switching over to the new lock screen then |
| 13:26.52 | Hurrian | ....or ship it with a flat black background |
| 13:26.56 | Hurrian | whatever works i guess |
| 13:27.56 | javispedro | another alternative is to read desktop background from gconf |
| 13:29.50 | MohammadAG | best way QSettings().value("main/background-url", ":/lockscreen.png") |
| 13:30.11 | MohammadAG | if the settings file has a value set, use that, else, use the file in the binary |
| 13:30.36 | javispedro | Qt has pervasive in-binary files support? |
| 13:30.38 | javispedro | that is nice. |
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| 13:31.34 | Jartza | http://i.imgur.com/w8j7r.jpg |
| 13:31.54 | MohammadAG | hmm |
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| 13:32.15 | MohammadAG | I found why the slider sucks, it's cause I was setting the background in paintEvent |
| 13:32.29 | MohammadAG | alterego, ^ |
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| 13:32.52 | alterego | Heh |
| 13:33.10 | MohammadAG | is there a better way to do it? say QPalette? |
| 13:33.41 | GAN900 | What's everybody's takeaway from the Harmattan SDK? |
| 13:33.56 | MohammadAG | I can't install it |
| 13:34.00 | javispedro | which one? |
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| 13:35.56 | GAN900 | Any one you care to have an opinion about? |
| 13:36.25 | javispedro | likes sbox as usual... |
| 13:37.02 | javispedro | I miss more sample applications, still remember the days when the SDK would come with a sample of virtually any kind of applet or application |
| 13:37.07 | javispedro | each of them showing a GNU logo =) |
| 13:37.39 | MohammadAG | javispedro, it fails on step 2 |
| 13:37.58 | javispedro | I did not install sbox using the wizard though |
| 13:38.07 | javispedro | so no idea what step2 is =) |
| 13:39.17 | alterego | Installed fine for me, I might blog the manual install instructions. |
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| 13:41.51 | merlin1991 | alterego: I'd like to read that blogpost |
| 13:43.28 | gri | Harmattan sdk is unusable to port my application. Contacts and messaging missing -> nike ... |
| 13:43.29 | MohammadAG | javispedro, then how did you install it? |
| 13:43.40 | gri | nice* |
| 13:43.41 | javispedro | MohammadAG: I have some notes, I'm formatting them a bit |
| 13:43.54 | MohammadAG | javispedro, oh, so there's no script? |
| 13:44.02 | MohammadAG | besides the python one |
| 13:45.02 | javispedro | none that I know of |
| 13:45.09 | alterego | The wizzard just updated my scratchbox |
| 13:45.14 | Hurrian | gri, you may need to add nokia-binaries |
| 13:45.21 | Hurrian | but you dont have a key |
| 13:46.16 | gri | Hurrian: my /etc/apt/sources.list has an entry of nokia-binaries |
| 13:46.48 | RST38h | seriously considering going at the .java files with the C preprocessor |
| 13:46.59 | Hurrian | ah |
| 13:47.21 | Hurrian | well, try searching for the apps |
| 13:47.27 | Hurrian | apt-cache search |
| 13:47.31 | gri | already done |
| 13:47.38 | Hurrian | :( |
| 13:48.05 | gri | still only accounts-ui, settings, qmlviewer and an not-working instance of mail |
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| 13:49.06 | Hurrian | okay, night guys. |
| 13:49.43 | javispedro | MohammadAG: http://pastebin.com/cS5MA88D |
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| 13:51.01 | jonwil | curses libconnui and libconnui_cell... |
| 13:51.36 | javispedro | MohammadAG: Neither fremantle nor diablo should break if you follow this, though maybe you will need a newer version of the diablo/fremantle devkits |
| 13:51.45 | jonwil | curses the lack of an easy way to get signaled for flightmode and for network changes |
| 13:51.45 | mrdongle | what is fun today |
| 13:52.00 | MohammadAG | javispedro, and I'm guessing the same SB packages should work? |
| 13:52.15 | gri | javispedro: Are the rootstraps the same which get installed by the python installer script? |
| 13:52.25 | mrdongle | i got a wlan beacon in a plane once on kismet |
| 13:52.32 | javispedro | MohammadAG: which ones? :P |
| 13:52.34 | javispedro | gri: yes. |
| 13:52.51 | MohammadAG | javispedro, the ones installed by the two Fremantle SDK scripts |
| 13:53.08 | gri | damn, I need the contacts application and/or messaging-ui |
| 13:53.12 | javispedro | MohammadAG: the packages installed by the fremantle sdk might not make it, you need hathor |
| 13:53.42 | javispedro | MohammadAG: if you used .deb packages to install the fremantle sdk, you should use .deb packages again to upgrade to hathor |
| 13:53.55 | javispedro | otherwise you end up with mess =9 |
| 13:54.10 | javispedro | I have gentoo, and I also have sbox on separate partition, so I use tarballs. |
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| 13:54.24 | MohammadAG | I think I already messed up when I upgraded ubuntu |
| 13:54.28 | merlin1991 | javispedro: http://scratchbox.org/debian/dists/ I see harmattan and hathor |
| 13:54.41 | MohammadAG | /scratchbox persisted, debs didn't :p |
| 13:55.07 | javispedro | merlin1991: someone probably aggregated the harmattan versions for you |
| 13:55.46 | MohammadAG | oh, amd64 packages |
| 13:55.48 | merlin1991 | do you suggest using hator or the harmattan ones? :D |
| 13:55.59 | MohammadAG | why did I have to use force-arch with fremantle? |
| 13:56.00 | javispedro | the versions match, so use the harmattan ones |
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| 13:56.17 | MohammadAG | or should I use the x86 ones? |
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| 13:56.20 | merlin1991 | hopes that this is going to work |
| 13:56.27 | MohammadAG | since the target expects X86 |
| 13:56.30 | javispedro | hathor = stable scratchbox series |
| 13:56.36 | javispedro | MohammadAG: do you run amd64 ubuntu? |
| 13:56.42 | arvut | hello folks |
| 13:56.42 | MohammadAG | yes |
| 13:56.45 | javispedro | then amd64 |
| 13:56.55 | otwieracz | It takes so looong to install this Debian⦠|
| 13:56.57 | javispedro | it's just the package header changed, sbox is still 32-bit only |
| 13:57.00 | MohammadAG | but Harmattan targets are ARMEL and X86 :P |
| 13:57.03 | MohammadAG | oh |
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| 13:57.58 | MohammadAG | should I dl the exact versions you posted or the newest ones? |
| 13:58.07 | javispedro | you know the answer |
| 13:58.12 | javispedro | adventurous = newer. |
| 13:58.19 | javispedro | coward = exact. |
| 13:58.48 | MohammadAG | I hate microB sometimes :/ |
| 13:59.12 | merlin1991 | updating scratchbox currently |
| 13:59.17 | javispedro | I ponder what's this entire N9 has plug'n'play sdk |
| 13:59.21 | merlin1991 | wondering how much will break |
| 14:00.08 | javispedro | merlin1991: I see that there's also autotools-legacy and python-legacy sbox packages, I think you will need them for fremantle (someone was having this error before) |
| 14:00.24 | MohammadAG | 16KB/s \o/ |
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| 14:00.36 | merlin1991 | 110 here |
| 14:00.38 | javispedro | I bet I don't get it because I just untarred everything on top of the older sbox so I still have older files |
| 14:00.38 | merlin1991 | still no fun |
| 14:00.39 | MohammadAG | I wish someone would mirror there |
| 14:00.43 | MohammadAG | those* |
| 14:01.09 | merlin1991 | javispedro: I'll report back when ubuntu finished updateing sn |
| 14:01.13 | merlin1991 | s/sn/sb |
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| 14:02.01 | MohammadAG | 30KB/s, this is boring |
| 14:02.07 | MohammadAG | I wonder how fast the server would dl it |
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| 14:02.10 | DocScrutinizer | sigh |
| 14:02.23 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: I messed up your wiki pages another time ;-) |
| 14:02.47 | SpeedEvil | I'm taking a day off and clearing up the garden a bit. |
| 14:03.00 | DocScrutinizer | :-) fair enough |
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| 14:03.03 | SpeedEvil | And decompressing. |
| 14:03.14 | DocScrutinizer | I'll do similarly IT-unrelated things now |
| 14:03.21 | MohammadAG | holy shit 400KB/s xD |
| 14:03.23 | SpeedEvil | Will start digging into kernel source and FCC and ... |
| 14:03.26 | merlin1991 | javispedro: your pastebin tells me to set up "Harmattan Nokia Meego API armel beta rootstrap" wth is the "Harmattan Platform API beta armel rootstrap " ? |
| 14:03.28 | MohammadAG | 2MB/s wtf |
| 14:03.59 | javispedro | huh? |
| 14:04.05 | javispedro | I don't think I ever used the word meego ;) |
| 14:04.35 | lcuk | dances around the chan |
| 14:04.38 | merlin1991 | javispedro: rootstrapname -> description on http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/d6-beta.php |
| 14:04.57 | DocScrutinizer | claps hands to lcuk 's dance |
| 14:05.03 | javispedro | merlin1991: aah, you will see filenames after reading & accepting EULA. |
| 14:05.14 | merlin1991 | yeah saw it |
| 14:05.26 | javispedro | which one to gets I tell you on pastebin |
| 14:05.31 | javispedro | *get |
| 14:05.38 | merlin1991 | I did follow you so far |
| 14:05.44 | merlin1991 | I'm only wondering wht the other ones are |
| 14:05.51 | merlin1991 | *wth |
| 14:05.59 | javispedro | nfi |
| 14:06.07 | javispedro | they are larger |
| 14:06.11 | javispedro | i'll test them someday |
| 14:06.28 | javispedro | the script gets the one I mentioned |
| 14:06.42 | javispedro | oooh. |
| 14:06.44 | javispedro | maybe. |
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| 14:07.04 | javispedro | nokiameegoapi means only Qt stuff, while platformapi means "more" stuff; whatever "more" is. |
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| 14:07.51 | DocScrutinizer | shell wizards: any way other than $> od srcfile | sed | print>destfile; to patch binaries in scripts? |
| 14:08.03 | DocScrutinizer | s/ in s/ via s/ |
| 14:08.05 | GAN900 | Ugh, now the Jesus Freaks are trying to save my soul. |
| 14:08.14 | GAN900 | It's too hot for questions of theology. |
| 14:08.19 | DocScrutinizer | GAN900: prolly you can use it |
| 14:09.14 | MohammadAG | I swear if this breaks my Fremantle sb |
| 14:09.14 | GAN900 | Soul saving? Probably. |
| 14:09.15 | javispedro | GAN900: cause you let them park? |
| 14:09.18 | GAN900 | But who has the time? |
| 14:09.31 | GAN900 | javispedro, nah, they're going to convert all the gays. |
| 14:09.34 | javispedro | hides from MohammadAG |
| 14:09.52 | javispedro | GAN900: see? god is answering to your fireballs from the sky request |
| 14:10.12 | javispedro | in a few moments you will have a civil war. right in front your work place. |
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| 14:10.26 | merlin1991 | I'm also wondering what arm-qemu-rm680_linux_i686.tar.gz is |
| 14:10.46 | merlin1991 | according to the page it's Harmattan System Qemu image 32bit |
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| 14:11.54 | javispedro | it is what it says on the tin =) |
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| 14:12.05 | merlin1991 | sb updating via deb, wish me luck |
| 14:12.05 | javispedro | the image also comes with the qt sdk to be used with madde |
| 14:13.23 | merlin1991 | ah well I'll be able to test in an hour 300kb/s on the rootstraps |
| 14:13.26 | MohammadAG | grr |
| 14:13.32 | MohammadAG | how do I dl http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/d6-beta.php?f=i386-psdk-nokiameegoapi-beta-rootstrap.tgz with wget? |
| 14:13.43 | MohammadAG | I'm guessing cookies, but how? :P |
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| 14:15.36 | merlin1991 | ~sdk |
| 14:15.37 | infobot | The Palm SDK is now public, and can be downloaded from http://developer.palm.com |
| 14:15.40 | merlin1991 | ffs |
| 14:15.46 | javispedro | great! |
| 14:15.56 | merlin1991 | I want the link to the maemo wiki :D |
| 14:16.16 | merlin1991 | ~maemosdk |
| 14:16.16 | infobot | maemosdk is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo5_Final_Installation |
| 14:16.19 | MohammadAG | http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/public/MeeGo/Harmattan |
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| 14:19.05 | javispedro | RST38h: read http://communities-dominate.blogs.com/brands/2011/06/will-the-real-stephen-elop-please-stand-up.html ? |
| 14:19.05 | merlin1991 | loves it how stopping the maemo emulation lets xephyr segfault |
| 14:19.32 | MohammadAG | loves how he always thought it was a signal being sent to Xephyr |
| 14:19.41 | MohammadAG | I always nohup Xephyr :P |
| 14:20.01 | merlin1991 | but fremantle sdk seems to be working still, so updating sb didn't break it |
| 14:20.19 | MohammadAG | we'll have to postpone torturing javispedro then |
| 14:20.33 | javispedro | merlin1991: try to build a package |
| 14:20.38 | merlin1991 | javispedro: I did |
| 14:20.47 | javispedro | ok |
| 14:21.05 | merlin1991 | gonna try that one on device and then I'm really sure it worked :D |
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| 14:23.26 | jiero | hi, I come here to ask for help again. I found my camera on N900 is not working and a post related to the Community Seamless Software Update. Is it true? |
| 14:23.36 | Cor-Ai | mm |
| 14:23.51 | merlin1991 | jiero: I'm running the cssu and camera works just fine |
| 14:24.19 | merlin1991 | jiero: could you be a little bit more precise about "not working" ? |
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| 14:26.24 | jiero | merlin1991: lol its working now! |
| 14:26.33 | jiero | merlin1991: are you angel? |
| 14:27.01 | merlin1991 | afaik merlin is a wizard ;) |
| 14:27.33 | jiero | merlin1991: thanks for you help :D |
| 14:28.10 | merlin1991 | javispedro: the package did run fine on the n900, I guess sb didn't break :) |
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| 14:31.03 | merlin1991 | I feel stupid for asking this, but where does apt cache deb files? |
| 14:31.06 | merlin1991 | (on the n900) |
| 14:31.11 | MohammadAG | yes |
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| 14:31.17 | MohammadAG | /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 14:31.27 | DocScrutinizer | o/ |
| 14:32.24 | merlin1991 | MohammadAG: am I right assuming that this is part of rootfs? |
| 14:33.02 | merlin1991 | ah nope symlink in /var/cache to opt |
| 14:33.12 | MohammadAG | beat me to it |
| 14:33.23 | MohammadAG | I symlinked it to MyDocs |
| 14:33.39 | MohammadAG | that way I can restore apps easily after a reflash |
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| 14:34.43 | merlin1991 | hm is there a way to expand a full path like /var/cache/apt/archives to the "real path" ? |
| 14:34.59 | javispedro | "realpath" |
| 14:35.09 | javispedro | it is a unix command. |
| 14:35.29 | otwieracz | jrayhawk: doesn't work⦠|
| 14:35.35 | MohammadAG | wouldn't ls -l do that same? |
| 14:36.02 | merlin1991 | next time I'm just going to hit the right word into the terminal and see if there is a command like it |
| 14:36.11 | javispedro | MohammadAG: but you break the beatifulness of having actually guessed the command name without knowing =) |
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| 14:36.47 | merlin1991 | MohammadAG: ls -l doesn't |
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| 14:37.16 | merlin1991 | it only shows links in the current dir so you'd have to step trough each directory checking if it leads somewhere else |
| 14:38.48 | otwieracz | At boot time mmcblk0p1 is internat or external card? |
| 14:39.08 | MohammadAG | is there a way to download from multiple servers? |
| 14:39.15 | MohammadAG | which boot time |
| 14:39.41 | otwieracz | Bootloader. |
| 14:39.57 | otwieracz | Which partition I should give in bootloader. |
| 14:39.59 | otwieracz | (for Deblet) |
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| 14:40.08 | otwieracz | Beucase actual is probably wrong. |
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| 14:43.44 | jrayhawk | http://www.omgwallhack.org/home/jrayhawk/maemo/debletbootmenu.txt |
| 14:43.48 | zhasha | Hello there. Is it right that Maemo 5 currently uses GLib 2.20? and if so, why so old? |
| 14:44.01 | jrayhawk | INT_CARD or EXT_CARD are what you'd want inside the boot menu. |
| 14:44.26 | otwieracz | Bootnig, hell yeah! |
| 14:44.30 | otwieracz | mmcblok0p1. |
| 14:45.06 | otwieracz | It works! |
| 14:45.38 | merlin1991 | FINALLY |
| 14:45.48 | merlin1991 | I found out why I had no qtcreator anymore |
| 14:46.01 | merlin1991 | meegosdk did write a new .desktop file with the exact name :/ |
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| 14:53.55 | Venemo_N900 | good afternoon |
| 14:57.12 | mrdongle | can i run maemo5 binary on another omap3 device? |
| 14:57.25 | mrdongle | copy the whole OS? :) |
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| 14:58.28 | otwieracz | jrayhawk: you remember, how to use wpa_supplicant here? |
| 14:58.46 | otwieracz | (or any other way to configure wifi) |
| 14:59.13 | jrayhawk | iface wlan0 inet dhcp wpa-conf /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf |
| 14:59.25 | jrayhawk | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:00.15 | jrayhawk | (That goes in /etc/network/interfaces) |
| 15:00.32 | jrayhawk | Do you want an example /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf ? |
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| 15:05.32 | otwieracz | I already have done it⦠|
| 15:05.38 | jrayhawk | Oh good. |
| 15:05.38 | otwieracz | But how to Ctrl+C?! |
| 15:05.53 | otwieracz | ping google.com is killing me :) |
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| 15:08.06 | ShadowJK | zhasha: ii libc6 2.5.1-1eglibc27+0m5 |
| 15:08.11 | jrayhawk | Maybe it's using /dev/console for STDI/O |
| 15:08.26 | zhasha | ShadowJK: GLib, not glibc |
| 15:08.36 | otwieracz | I must take off battery⦠|
| 15:08.36 | ShadowJK | ah |
| 15:08.42 | jrayhawk | Probably, yeah. |
| 15:09.06 | jrayhawk | ctrl-c is interpreted by the TTY driver in the kernel; you have to be careful if you're not using /dev/tty* |
| 15:09.28 | otwieracz | But Deblet is working. |
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| 15:09.32 | otwieracz | :) |
| 15:09.36 | otwieracz | And wifi works. |
| 15:10.42 | jrayhawk | If you're lucky, you can find a means of magic sysrqing the process causing problems. I think alt-sysrq-F is OOM killer, for instance. I kinda doubt the n810 has sysrq mapped, though. |
| 15:12.59 | GAN900 | What's the best Holy Crap You Need To Buy This N9 video so far? |
| 15:13.51 | otwieracz | jrayhawk: so many dependency problems with e17⦠|
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| 15:15.15 | jrayhawk | I suspect if you're using lenny, i suspect fatalsaints e17 packages will be easiest. if you're using squeeze or wheezy or sid, those probably already have e17. |
| 15:15.23 | jrayhawk | i do a lot of suspecting! |
| 15:15.39 | javispedro | GAN900: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ |
| 15:15.56 | otwieracz | Lenny is here. |
| 15:16.11 | gri | javispedro: Video blocked in Germany o_O |
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| 15:16.25 | SpeedEvil | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CuJfi3kTt2w s/record/phone/ |
| 15:16.37 | otwieracz | libecore-con0, for example. |
| 15:18.18 | otwieracz | And I'm trying to install e17 from fatalsaints, right. |
| 15:18.28 | GAN900 | javispedro, too bad for you I'm on EDGE. :P |
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| 15:20.13 | lcuk | GAN900, will qoles trick work on harmattan |
| 15:20.14 | lcuk | ? |
| 15:21.49 | MohammadAG | javispedro, use Nyan cat next time, seriously :P |
| 15:22.10 | javispedro | naah, he's special. |
| 15:22.35 | khertan_ | didn't like the harmattan interface |
| 15:22.43 | khertan_ | closing app is a pain |
| 15:26.17 | otwieracz | I'll try to install lxde⦠|
| 15:26.47 | MoonTiger | guys how can i get the qt maemo stuff into qtcreator? |
| 15:29.40 | FIQ | so what is harmattan really |
| 15:29.44 | FIQ | maemo? meego? |
| 15:29.57 | FIQ | branded as meego, but i've heard opposite in many places... |
| 15:29.58 | jrayhawk | I got my post-Lenny pre-Squeeze Deblet userspace working, finally. |
| 15:30.18 | jrayhawk | I wonder if I dare upgrade all the way to Squeeze. |
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| 15:31.57 | MohammadAG | what trick? |
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| 15:35.16 | merlin1991 | javispedro: I'm having slight troubles following your install instrucitons |
| 15:35.27 | merlin1991 | I have no /scratchbox/run_me_first.sh |
| 15:35.35 | javispedro | you did .deb? |
| 15:35.38 | merlin1991 | yes |
| 15:35.46 | javispedro | ignore it then, probably was run by postinst script |
| 15:35.59 | merlin1991 | and in sb-menu I can't select the right compilers |
| 15:36.05 | merlin1991 | (to install a new target) |
| 15:36.11 | MohammadAG | yay last deb |
| 15:36.29 | javispedro | merlin1991: what do you mean? not listen? did you install the appropiate .debs? |
| 15:36.34 | javispedro | s/listen/listed/ |
| 15:36.58 | merlin1991 | not listed, and yep I've got the feeling I might be missing packages |
| 15:38.22 | merlin1991 | ah sry I didn't install the toolchain debs, my fault |
| 15:41.20 | joga | after about 3 hours of messing with it, downloading the map of my route using really flaky net and getting a tomtom voice, converting it for marble and installing it, it still failed me :( no voice |
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| 15:42.58 | joga | fortunately my sister's guy borrowed his iphone with tomtom that worked perfectly, didn't need to touch it once after entering destination, so all went fine ;) |
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| 15:46.52 | nokia_app | hi all... is there any way i can install the WhatsApp messenger on my n900?? |
| 15:52.14 | zhasha | nokia_app: what's wrong with telepathy? |
| 15:52.52 | nokia_app | i wasn't aware aware of that... let me install it.. will return if i face problems with that. |
| 15:53.26 | zhasha | nokia_app: your N900 ships with it |
| 15:53.56 | zhasha | install additional protocol handlers if you need to |
| 15:54.17 | nokia_app | well my n900 doesn't have it |
| 15:54.27 | zhasha | do you have the contacts application? |
| 15:55.00 | nokia_app | as in phone contacts? |
| 15:55.23 | zhasha | go to Settings->VOIP and IM accounts |
| 15:55.49 | zhasha | and yes, your N900 does have telepathy unless you installed a different OS on it |
| 15:56.34 | nokia_app | ok i've gone to voip and im accounts.. now hat |
| 15:56.38 | nokia_app | *what? |
| 15:56.56 | zhasha | add your IM accounts |
| 15:58.19 | gri | I think WhatsApp is not a open protocol |
| 15:59.14 | nokia_app | but isn't whatsapp like bbm? where u can IM any other phone in the world? |
| 16:00.06 | gri | I think its something proprietary, they have clients for most phones (except maemo) |
| 16:01.11 | nokia_app | so technically i can't communicate with someone having whatsapp if i use telepathy right? |
| 16:01.36 | zhasha | for N900, you want to find a telepathy plugin that talks whatsapp then |
| 16:01.42 | gri | If they don't open the protocol, no |
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| 16:01.56 | zhasha | http://forums.internettablettalk.com/showthread.php?t=68104 and this thing seems to indicate that it just uses XMPP |
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| 16:03.23 | nokia_app | for some reason my n900 doesn't have telepathy either.. this is an old phone.. around a year old.. does tht make s difference? |
| 16:03.43 | zhasha | no, and your phone does have telepathy |
| 16:03.52 | gri | nokia_app: Telepathy is the framework which is used for im/phone/sms |
| 16:04.38 | gri | Apple Push Notifications is also XMPP and you can't connect to it with other devices than Iphones :) |
| 16:04.50 | nokia_app | ok.. so is there a gui for it? |
| 16:05.06 | Venemo_N900 | nokia_app, sorry I'm late to this discussion... what are you trying to do? |
| 16:05.13 | gri | "Conversations" is the gui |
| 16:05.39 | valdyn_ | nokia_app: sure it has telepathy |
| 16:06.05 | nokia_app | Venemo_N900 i was trying to find out if there is an app analogous to the whatsapp messenger for maemo |
| 16:06.05 | MohammadAG | javispedro, ping |
| 16:06.12 | javispedro | pong |
| 16:06.15 | MohammadAG | scratchbox-core: 1.0.26 (Multi-Arch: no) is not co-installable with scratchbox-core:i386 1.0.16 (Multi-Arch: no) which is currently installed |
| 16:06.19 | MohammadAG | thoughts? |
| 16:06.24 | Venemo_N900 | nokia_app, what is whatsapp messenger |
| 16:06.35 | valdyn_ | nokia_app: whatsapp is proprietary, you cannot use 3rd party apps |
| 16:06.51 | javispedro | MohammadAG: wth. didn't you said you losed packages while upgrading? |
| 16:06.54 | zhasha | again, http://forums.internettablettalk.com/showthread.php?t=68104 <-- They say it's just XMPP |
| 16:06.57 | javispedro | upgrading ubuntu |
| 16:07.05 | valdyn_ | Venemo_N900: its an im system where users are identified by phone number, not some nick or id |
| 16:07.13 | nokia_app | Venemo_N900 whatsapp is something bbm. |
| 16:07.26 | javispedro | MohammadAG: you probably need to properly remove the i386 packages |
| 16:07.26 | nokia_app | *like bbm |
| 16:07.39 | Venemo_N900 | valdyn_, why don't you just use the N900's built-in IM capabilities? they're very good |
| 16:08.03 | Venemo_N900 | sorry |
| 16:08.14 | Venemo_N900 | nokia_app, why don't you just use the N900's built-in IM capabilities? they're very good |
| 16:08.18 | valdyn_ | Venemo_N900: and (whatever im system) find contacts from my phonebook? nope |
| 16:08.27 | valdyn_ | Venemo_N900: *can* (whatever im system) find contacts from my phonebook? nope |
| 16:08.43 | valdyn_ | Venemo_N900: thats why theres whatsapp / bbm |
| 16:08.52 | javispedro | is writing the SDL implementation of his dreams, opengles builtin, no cpu usage when paused, ... =) |
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| 16:09.12 | Venemo_N900 | well, just find contacts from the Contacts or the Conversations app |
| 16:09.18 | Venemo_N900 | what's the big deal? |
| 16:09.27 | Venemo_N900 | it works very well for me |
| 16:09.32 | MohammadAG | javispedro, how |
| 16:09.41 | valdyn_ | Venemo_N900: its not about me, its about convenience, im just saying why those products exist |
| 16:09.44 | javispedro | MohammadAG: "dpkg --purge .." |
| 16:09.53 | Venemo_N900 | valdyn_, mhm |
| 16:10.10 | gri | Venemo_N900: Its slightly different than IM |
| 16:10.13 | zhasha | valdyn_: no, but you can merge all your current contacts for the exact same effect. And if it is indeed regular ol' XMPP, you just need to enter the correct XMPP address and you're golden |
| 16:10.21 | MohammadAG | javispedro, root@mohammad-i5laptop:/home/mohammad/Documents/HarmattanSDK# dpkg -r scratchbox-core |
| 16:10.29 | MohammadAG | dpkg: warning: there's no installed package matching scratchbox-core |
| 16:10.29 | MohammadAG | root@mohammad-i5laptop:/home/mohammad/Documents/HarmattanSDK# dpkg -r scratchbox-core:1386 |
| 16:10.29 | MohammadAG | dpkg: warning: there's no installed package matching scratchbox-core:1386 |
| 16:10.30 | MohammadAG | you'd think I tried that :P |
| 16:10.36 | valdyn_ | zhasha: yea, dont tell me, tell the millions of whatsapp users |
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| 16:10.42 | gri | Venemo_N900: The other side does not need to be online but his/her phone receives a push notification for new messages |
| 16:10.52 | javispedro | MohammadAG: sadly, I left debian before multiarch stuff was implemented |
| 16:10.52 | Venemo_N900 | mhm |
| 16:11.01 | valdyn_ | its quite elegant anyway |
| 16:11.08 | javispedro | MohammadAG: either way, it's "i386", not 1386. |
| 16:11.23 | nokia_app | so what do u guys suggest?? |
| 16:11.39 | zhasha | valdyn_: anything that doesn't integrate seamlessly all your contacts AND conversations into one place is extraordinarily inelegant |
| 16:11.43 | valdyn_ | nokia_app: you cannot use whatsapp from the n900 |
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| 16:11.50 | Venemo_N900 | nokia_app, just use the built-in IM app |
| 16:11.52 | zhasha | it's like having 6 different music players for 6 different music services |
| 16:11.57 | MohammadAG | dpkg: warning: there's no installed package matching scratchbox-core:i1386 |
| 16:12.03 | javispedro | "i386"!!! |
| 16:12.16 | valdyn_ | zhasha: im not sure why you are telling me that, that is something else |
| 16:12.21 | Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG, there is no such thing as i1386 |
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| 16:13.30 | nokia_app | Venemo_N900:but the built in app features only skype, fb, gmail, jabber, sip. |
| 16:13.30 | MohammadAG | wtf |
| 16:13.43 | zhasha | valdyn_: hardly. telepathy is designed to eliminate that exact problem |
| 16:13.46 | MohammadAG | I always thought it was 1386 |
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| 16:14.14 | valdyn_ | zhasha: i like it, sure, but it doesnt solve what whatsapp solves |
| 16:14.33 | valdyn_ | zhasha: ideally telepathy would be able to connect to whatsapp, sure, but it doesnt |
| 16:14.42 | zhasha | valdyn_: if it's XMPP, it does |
| 16:15.10 | valdyn_ | zhasha: lets see what google knows |
| 16:15.13 | gri | xmpp-android.whatsapp.net ? |
| 16:15.20 | Venemo_N900 | nokia_app, it also features facebook, gtalk, and more. plus msn if you install it, and more |
| 16:15.23 | zhasha | valdyn_: I refer you for the 3rd time: http://forums.internettablettalk.com/showthread.php?t=68104 |
| 16:15.59 | gri | foud a german blog who says WhatsApp does not use any encryption .. nice :D |
| 16:16.14 | gri | found* |
| 16:18.33 | nokia_app | Venemo_N900: but if my friends're using whatsapp, i can't use it right? |
| 16:18.42 | rd | I installed meego on an external ssd and uboot tells me only: wrong image format for bootm command |
| 16:18.50 | rd | Does anybody understand what might went wrong? |
| 16:19.07 | valdyn_ | zhasha: not useful |
| 16:19.10 | rd | it boots maemo, but not meego (using run mmcboot) |
| 16:19.29 | valdyn_ | nokia_app: i cant see anything but official clients being able to connect |
| 16:20.10 | nokia_app | valdyn_: ok |
| 16:20.50 | gri | nokia_app: If it helps: WebOS users also have no chance to connect .. :) |
| 16:21.53 | valdyn_ | i cant even recall creating an account for whatsapp, so it has to be using the sim |
| 16:22.19 | valdyn_ | that would have pretty evil implications if someone created a 3rd party implementation |
| 16:24.02 | nokia_app | gri: i've set up my IM facebook account.. how do i start IMing now? nothing happens after i click sign in |
| 16:24.05 | gri | valdyn_: Mostly all "app stores" have callbacks when an user installs the application. They receive an unique identifier which gets transmitted to their servers. So even if you decompile the whole android software, you won't be able to register |
| 16:24.39 | valdyn_ | gri: whatsapp isnt necessarily from an app store |
| 16:25.19 | valdyn_ | gri: would it use sms in that case? |
| 16:25.25 | MohammadAG | hmm |
| 16:25.37 | valdyn_ | gri: im to clueless about mobile networks.. |
| 16:25.38 | gri | valdyn_: You're right ... I've seen the way I described with other services |
| 16:25.41 | MohammadAG | how do I unmount scratchbox mounts? |
| 16:26.06 | gri | nokia_app: Your contacts get extended |
| 16:26.07 | javispedro | MohammadAG: sbox_ctl stop |
| 16:26.27 | Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG, /scratchbox/sbin/sb_conf stop |
| 16:26.32 | Venemo_N900 | or something like that |
| 16:26.34 | javispedro | /scratchbox/sbin/sbox_ctl stop |
| 16:26.37 | nokia_app | yep i just noticed that |
| 16:26.38 | gri | nokia_app: Now you may have duplicate contacts which you can join to one contact |
| 16:26.44 | MohammadAG | javispedro, that got removed |
| 16:26.49 | javispedro | hah |
| 16:26.51 | javispedro | reboot =) |
| 16:26.53 | MohammadAG | nevermind, I did all unmounts manually |
| 16:27.18 | javispedro | if you did not umount everything, and you rm -rf /scratchbox, say goodbye to your home. |
| 16:27.31 | valdyn_ | MohammadAG: you can always use umount -l |
| 16:27.44 | valdyn_ | MohammadAG: thats not exactly clean but may be clean enough |
| 16:27.47 | MohammadAG | javispedro, too late, did that a year ago |
| 16:27.52 | javispedro | heh |
| 16:27.55 | javispedro | best way to learn =) |
| 16:28.04 | MohammadAG | it removed /dev/* and my server was useless for 2 months |
| 16:28.16 | MohammadAG | valdyn_, normal umounts worked |
| 16:28.54 | zhasha | gri, nokia_app: need to install "merge duplicate contacts" for that |
| 16:29.24 | Venemo_N900 | ah yeah |
| 16:29.31 | Venemo_N900 | sbox_ctl and not sb_conf |
| 16:30.05 | nokia_app | zhasha: ok |
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| 16:31.05 | kerio | lol elop |
| 16:33.30 | MoonTiger | hmmmmm can anybody help a little with the simulator in qtcreator? |
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| 16:34.22 | javispedro | if the thing is reallly price over 599 pounds it is going to be like a joke |
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| 16:35.20 | MoonTiger | or explain why my app doesn't look maemo-ish when running on it? |
| 16:35.24 | merlin1991 | 599 POUNDS? |
| 16:35.25 | merlin1991 | wtf? |
| 16:36.00 | merlin1991 | MoonTiger: afaik you don't get the maemo styles in the qt simulator |
| 16:36.09 | merlin1991 | at least it used to be like that |
| 16:36.31 | MoonTiger | merlin1991, ok thnx ... so dialogs etc look like generic desktop dialogs etc? |
| 16:36.44 | merlin1991 | yep |
| 16:37.14 | MoonTiger | how do i include the maemo specific qt headers? if you don't mind me asking ... i cannot seem to find them |
| 16:37.42 | mrdongle2 | javispedro: i saw estimates of $600 for the N9 |
| 16:38.22 | merlin1991 | MoonTiger: you might be interested in http://maintenance.maemo.org/news/planet-maemo/qt_creator_and_scratchbox/ |
| 16:38.35 | MoonTiger | uuuugghhh scratchbox :( |
| 16:38.47 | MoonTiger | but thnx for the link and help :) |
| 16:39.52 | merlin1991 | hehe, yea scratchbox |
| 16:40.12 | MoonTiger | i think i'll use the simulator and then the device itself |
| 16:40.27 | MoonTiger | i use arch 64bit and scratchbox is even more of a bitch on tht |
| 16:40.38 | javispedro | scratchbox rules |
| 16:40.47 | merlin1991 | javispedro: :) |
| 16:40.53 | MoonTiger | javispedro, really? |
| 16:41.02 | MohammadAG | javispedro, I'm getting permission denied on /scratchbox/login |
| 16:41.06 | MohammadAG | and no run_me_first |
| 16:41.20 | javispedro | MohammadAG: have you added yourself to sbox group? |
| 16:41.26 | MoonTiger | MohammadAG, have you tried run-away-screaming? |
| 16:41.44 | javispedro | MoonTiger: ya really. |
| 16:41.51 | MoonTiger | :| |
| 16:42.19 | MoonTiger | javispedro, i tried to use ot for developing a share plugin and it is a massive fail |
| 16:42.24 | MoonTiger | ot/it |
| 16:42.38 | javispedro | I am NOT listening! |
| 16:42.52 | MoonTiger | sighs |
| 16:43.30 | MohammadAG | scratchbox is a bit more sane than madde imo |
| 16:43.48 | merlin1991 | hm is there an easy way to discover all clients in the local subnet from the commandline with buildin tools? |
| 16:43.57 | MohammadAG | javispedro, shouldn't it do that? |
| 16:44.29 | jonwil | is currently working on cloning hald-addon-bme |
| 16:44.41 | javispedro | MohammadAG: I do not think it will add yourself to the group automatically, the question is why you where not added previously |
| 16:44.56 | MohammadAG | "discoverallclientsinthelocalsubnet", it's a UNIX tool xP |
| 16:45.39 | MohammadAG | javispedro, I was in "sbox" afaik |
| 16:45.43 | jonwil | Someone said they wanted a clone of hald-addon-bme earlier... |
| 16:46.17 | javispedro | MohammadAG: maybe it changed gid, dunno, check it.. |
| 16:46.19 | merlin1991 | MohammadAG: fu! |
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| 16:47.07 | MohammadAG | ERROR: You don't have permission to run '/scratchbox/sbin/chroot-uid'. |
| 16:47.07 | MohammadAG | Maybe you have not logged out and in again after being added to sbox group. |
| 16:47.25 | MohammadAG | but I just removed myself and added myself to sbox |
| 16:47.41 | merlin1991 | log out and in into your host session |
| 16:47.42 | merlin1991 | trust me |
| 16:47.46 | MohammadAG | (and started a new shell) |
| 16:47.48 | javispedro | I'd reboot =) |
| 16:49.20 | c2p | part |
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| 16:49.45 | c2pLaY | weird |
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| 16:53.19 | jonwil | ~seen DocScrutinizer |
| 16:53.22 | infobot | docscrutinizer is currently on #maemo (12h 22m) #meego (12h 22m) #openmoko (12h 22m) #infobot (12h 22m) #openmoko-cdevel (12h 22m). Has said a total of 239 messages. Is idling for 5m 22s, last said: 'but thanks :-)'. |
| 16:54.27 | MohammadAG | reboot worked |
| 16:54.37 | MohammadAG | I get sbox-arm-none-linux-gnueabi-gcc: No such file or directory |
| 16:54.39 | MohammadAG | SBOX_DPKG_INST_ARCH not set. |
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| 16:55.12 | jonwil | Am I the only one who thinks that the touchscreen on the N900 is better than the touchscreen on my families iPhones and HTC Desires? |
| 16:55.57 | GAN900 | No. |
| 16:56.08 | wmarone | I hate using the capacitive screen on my nook color |
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| 16:56.26 | wmarone | "did I click the link? No, it clicked the other one near it. Oh wait, it didn't register." |
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| 16:57.57 | javispedro | jonwil: you are in the latest resistive stronghold |
| 16:58.14 | jonwil | I never understood why manufacturers prefer capacative over resistive |
| 16:58.22 | javispedro | sadly, it is soon going to be broken too, with the n9 being capacitive |
| 16:58.22 | jonwil | Resistive seems superior from where I sit |
| 16:58.56 | lcuk | capacitive is simpler for the touch |
| 16:59.13 | GAN900 | wmarone, or worse: "Did I just click something?" |
| 17:00.18 | MohammadAG | javispedro, any ideas? before I rm -rf :P |
| 17:00.22 | ShadowJK | I'm mistakenly clicking things and dragging things across screen accidentally on my netbook's capaitive touchpad |
| 17:00.42 | javispedro | MohammadAG: check the target conf (sb-conf show) |
| 17:01.14 | MohammadAG | sb-conf: Invalid compiler: cs2007q3-glibc2.5-arm7 |
| 17:01.42 | javispedro | you have: a) deleted the fremantle toolchain (so your fremantle is now broken =) ) b) misconfigured the target |
| 17:01.47 | MohammadAG | hmm, no softfp compiler |
| 17:02.01 | javispedro | codesource 2007 is fremantle |
| 17:02.04 | javispedro | *sourcery |
| 17:02.46 | MohammadAG | so http://scratchbox.org/download/files/sbox-releases/hathor/deb/amd64/scratchbox-toolchain-cs2007q3-glibc2.5-arm7_1.0.16.1-8_amd64.deb should work right? |
| 17:03.26 | javispedro | yes |
| 17:04.01 | MohammadAG | yay, Nokia's servers are giving me 600kb/s |
| 17:04.04 | keithzg | shall also miss the resistive screen of the N900, but them's the breaks |
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| 17:23.53 | Shapeshifter | seems like I'm getting a backup n900 |
| 17:24.10 | Shapeshifter | someone's selling one for 200usd, 2 weeks old. |
| 17:24.32 | Shapeshifter | maybe that'll motivate me to do some work for it. |
| 17:24.59 | mrdongle2 | way too cheap |
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| 17:25.20 | mrdongle2 | i could sell it for $400 in germany |
| 17:25.35 | ShadowJK | mrdongle2, even with english keyboard? |
| 17:25.46 | mrdongle2 | partly because of the engl keyboard |
| 17:25.51 | mrdongle2 | they are in short supply here |
| 17:26.26 | mrdongle2 | http://www.amazon.de/Nokia-Smartphone-Display-Touchscreen-Megapixel/dp/B003CZZ3JI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1309022776&sr=8-1 |
| 17:26.47 | mrdongle2 | used one going for $600 |
| 17:27.08 | Shapeshifter | mrdongle2: I know. It's some noob who is probably unhappy with it. |
| 17:27.13 | Shapeshifter | and nobody wants it. |
| 17:27.18 | mrdongle2 | congrats |
| 17:27.24 | Shapeshifter | well, at least where she's selling it |
| 17:28.06 | MoonTiger | if i wanted to have the sql reqd to create the database for my app included in the project can i just add it as "other file" and ref it from the app at runtime? |
| 17:28.35 | Shapeshifter | by the way, did anyone try meego on the n900 recently? the status page it should be pretty decent. |
| 17:28.46 | Shapeshifter | s/page/page states/ |
| 17:28.50 | MoonTiger | Shapeshifter, i got one from the US for $300 recently ... perfect condition |
| 17:30.14 | Shapeshifter | well I'm not normally the type to hoard devices but considering it's so cheap... if I get something else, I can still sell it for the same price probably |
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| 17:36.24 | mrdongle2 | nokia could have saved money and put an omap3 in the E7, along with bigger battery |
| 17:36.33 | mrdongle2 | and had a high-end fone for harmattan |
| 17:38.28 | Shapeshifter | http://wiki.meego.com/images/SDcard_benchmarking_060611.jpg well that's not good yet. |
| 17:39.44 | Shapeshifter | nokia could not have hired elop. |
| 17:42.01 | mrdongle2 | Shapeshifter: some of those things shouldn't rely on SD card |
| 17:42.08 | mrdongle2 | bad chart |
| 17:44.45 | GAN900 | MeeGo Manhattan |
| 17:44.49 | GAN900 | I'm in favor. |
| 17:45.04 | javispedro | success |
| 17:45.11 | javispedro | a paused SDL application that does not even appear in to |
| 17:45.12 | javispedro | p |
| 17:45.34 | javispedro | and it doesn't cause pulseaudio to consume the world's reserves of RAM |
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| 17:45.56 | javispedro | unpause it and pulse quickly goes up to 2% mem 20% cpu again |
| 17:46.59 | javispedro | GAN900: after hatterman there's nothing better. |
| 17:47.44 | lcuk | i like it GAN900 |
| 17:47.53 | lcuk | but project_42 is more awesome for a name |
| 17:47.55 | lcuk | :P |
| 17:49.33 | ShadowJK | mrdongle2, pretty much everything needs I/O |
| 17:53.02 | mrdongle2 | very nice javispedro |
| 17:53.15 | mrdongle2 | did u issue sigsusp |
| 17:53.24 | javispedro | no, that is cheating. |
| 17:53.53 | mrdongle2 | then you hacked sdl library? |
| 17:54.12 | javispedro | I am doing one based on Palm's changes to it |
| 17:54.26 | GAN900 | javispedro iz mad haccr |
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| 17:56.31 | javispedro | it also comes with neon-enhanced mixer and other niceties =) |
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| 18:02.21 | mrdongle2 | javispedro: do you plan to release it as a CSSU upgrade, or require SDL games to link explicitly to it |
| 18:02.35 | javispedro | latter |
| 18:03.19 | javispedro | it is not abi compatible. |
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| 18:04.35 | valdyn_ | I just reactivated my N900 and Nokias repositories arent working. Did anything change there? |
| 18:05.35 | valdyn_ | ( maemo.org repos work fine.. ) |
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| 18:07.41 | valdyn_ | mm, guess its my router since this seems to be the only https repos |
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| 18:11.36 | ShadowJK | do you have proxy settings on your internet connection for n900? |
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| 18:12.49 | ShadowJK | I'm not saying you need it, but if you have settings fot http, but not https, it'd break |
| 18:13.34 | valdyn_ | nah, but my router transparently proxies just http, not https |
| 18:14.38 | valdyn_ | that in conjunction with this crap fonero wlan ap.. if repos did not change thats the only possible reason |
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| 18:49.02 | DocScrutinizer | ~seen jonwill |
| 18:49.04 | infobot | i haven't seen 'jonwill', DocScrutinizer |
| 18:49.07 | DocScrutinizer | ~seen jonwil |
| 18:49.07 | infobot | jonwil <~jonwil@27-33-137-199.static.tpgi.com.au> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 1h 50m 45s ago, saying: 'Resistive seems superior from where I sit'. |
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| 18:57.54 | haohui | hi folks |
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| 18:58.35 | haohui | I got a problem when I ran scons in scratchbox2 |
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| 18:59.58 | haohui | gcc exit with -11 when it was ran by scons, but it returned successfully when I executed it directly. |
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| 19:05.05 | DocScrutinizer | ***yawn*** |
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| 19:27.09 | mikki-kun | hm, is someelse experiencing, when streaming his webcam to his computer via "gst-launch v4l2src device=/dev/video0 ! videoscale ! video/x-raw-yuv,width=800,height=480 ! ffmpegcolorspace ! smokeenc ! udpsink" a rather yellowish tone to the stream? |
| 19:29.12 | mikki-kun | *anbody else --- sorry for the typo |
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| 19:32.03 | nid0 | cant say it's something i've tried |
| 19:33.25 | petteri | mikki-kun: yes, yellowish it is |
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| 19:34.53 | mikki-kun | petteri: hm, if the front-cam would give it's blue there it might turn out to be nicely colored (you can test it out just by switching /dev/video0 to /dev/video1 and the width to 640) |
| 19:35.43 | petteri | mikki-kun: sorry, I don't have my n900 here right now |
| 19:35.47 | cablop | i saw a chat software in a nokia 810 that i wanted to run on my ubuntu |
| 19:35.54 | cablop | sadly the name is "chat" |
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| 19:36.02 | cablop | pretty hard to help me to find it |
| 19:37.16 | mikki-kun | cablop: maybe search with terms regarding the protocols it had, maybe some bugs or trouble you know off and mix that up |
| 19:37.29 | mikki-kun | just "chat" is indeed pretty difficult to find :/ |
| 19:37.42 | cablop | i tried that also |
| 19:38.06 | cablop | to say chat msn or chat yahoo or chat whatever protocol will naturally throw me pidgin, live messenger, skype, |
| 19:38.11 | cablop | i mean the official releases |
| 19:40.34 | rm_you | GeneralAntilles: lulz, i totally had a dream that i got a call about the n950 dev program and then they accepted me, and i was like woo, and then i had another dream that i thought the first thing was a dream but then discovered it was actually not. then i actually woke up, and we're at the present. :P |
| 19:41.03 | rm_you | my life is apparently really boring, so that's the crap i dream about T_T |
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| 19:46.54 | javispedro | I though that you woke up and you were the president =) |
| 19:47.43 | foolish91 | hello |
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| 19:52.14 | GeneralAntilles | rm_you, that sucks. |
| 19:52.33 | GeneralAntilles | rm_you, well, it's no worse than dreaming about working the first half of the day then having to wake up and start over. |
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| 19:59.53 | rm_you | lol T_T |
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| 20:05.08 | mikki-kun | hm, regarding the yellowish stream the n900 throws... i don't know what happened, but it seems, that as soom as i started the camera app or the flashlight app and then retrying the colors got actually corrected |
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| 20:11.50 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/25/nokias-stephen-elop-is-still-over-meego-even-if-the-n9-is-a-hi/ |
| 20:11.54 | GeneralAntilles | Holy hell, 1010 comments. |
| 20:12.00 | wmarone | yes |
| 20:12.06 | wmarone | lots of back and forth |
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| 20:13.43 | GeneralAntilles | WP7 fans are bizarre. |
| 20:13.53 | GeneralAntilles | They're worse than iOS and Android fans. |
| 20:14.03 | GeneralAntilles | At least those guys have something to point to as a success. |
| 20:14.15 | GeneralAntilles | and at least Android has some room for contributors. |
| 20:14.21 | GeneralAntilles | WP7 are like Tegra fans. |
| 20:14.24 | wmarone | they are making the assumption that Microsoft = guaranteed success |
| 20:15.00 | GeneralAntilles | Yes |
| 20:15.09 | GeneralAntilles | Which certainly hasn't proved correct in the mobile space so far. |
| 20:15.16 | GeneralAntilles | US consumers haven't forgotten Windows Mobile. |
| 20:16.02 | MohammadAG | Microsoft always = success! |
| 20:16.44 | wmarone | I think MS is banking on most modern phone buyers being unaware that WM existed |
| 20:18.15 | ruskie | considering they are calling it 7 buyers will ask... what happened to 1-6 |
| 20:18.40 | wmarone | "oh it's just tied to windows 7" |
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| 20:20.40 | merlin1991 | lmao @ the current 2nd comment: "You're all idiots. WP7 is a lot more widespread of an OS than MeeGo" |
| 20:20.45 | merlin1991 | wtf? |
| 20:21.04 | ruskie | merlin1991, well on a scale of 0 - 0 sure |
| 20:21.11 | ruskie | it's 0.0 instead of 0.00 |
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| 20:21.44 | kerio | there are probably more meego handset installs than wp7 installs |
| 20:21.58 | merlin1991 | I see ruskie, you're toally right wp7 is the one and only ;) |
| 20:22.06 | ruskie | hehe |
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| 20:38.24 | foolish91 | can anyone here point me to a lively computer hardware chat? |
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| 20:47.10 | lcuk | foolish91, this channel is lively |
| 20:47.26 | lcuk | everybody has fun chatting about their iphones and android devices here |
| 20:48.05 | foolish91 | ahh I was thinking more like talk about laptop / notebook spec |
| 20:49.07 | DocScrutinizer | could some of you plese post here: the output of ># md5sum /usr/lib/libsms.so.0.0.0; plus what's your fiasco version you're using (international|US|...) and the version if not PR1.3 |
| 20:49.10 | DocScrutinizer | thanks |
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| 20:50.25 | foolish91 | I just got a sony c series, custom with i7, 6gb ram and 1gb amd graphics. You reckon this is a good set up for the next 2/3 years? |
| 20:50.42 | divan | why there is no curl binary for maemo? |
| 20:51.16 | Appiah | if there is none , no one made one |
| 20:51.51 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: md5sum /usr/lib/libsms.so.0.0.0 pr1.3 international |
| 20:52.00 | merlin1991 | ah sry |
| 20:52.06 | merlin1991 | 6d9560f64f97dd18ccbd3119229717ae /usr/lib/libsms.so.0.0.0 |
| 20:52.09 | merlin1991 | terminal fail :D |
| 20:52.19 | ekce86_ | is there some smart command to check which applications who is installed in rootfs and which is installed in opt? |
| 20:52.37 | divan | I don't believe no one had ever need the curl on N900... |
| 20:52.59 | DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: yup, that's what I got here as well, now I'd be interested if somebody got some different hash |
| 20:53.00 | Appiah | there is libcurl and thats about enough :D |
| 20:53.14 | psycho_oreos | foolish91 > ##hardware |
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| 20:53.47 | foolish91 | psycho_oreos: cheers |
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| 20:56.01 | nox- | DocScrutinizer, i got the same too (pr1.3 updated from 1.2 as shipped) |
| 20:56.06 | DocScrutinizer | somebody with USA fiasco willing to run md5sum? |
| 20:56.29 | DocScrutinizer | nox-: veersion? |
| 20:56.56 | nox- | where do i see that? |
| 20:57.26 | DocScrutinizer | err, e.g under settings-about in the lengthy product number |
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| 20:58.15 | nox- | 20.2010.36-2 |
| 20:58.32 | DocScrutinizer | osso-product-info -q OSSO_VERSION |
| 20:59.01 | DocScrutinizer | MR0 is international |
| 20:59.39 | nox- | yeah its mr0 |
| 21:00.57 | DocScrutinizer | md5sum /usr/lib/libsms.so.0.0.0; osso-product-info -q OSSO_VERSION |
| 21:01.37 | DocScrutinizer | paste result please, if not *9717 *MR0 |
| 21:02.04 | DocScrutinizer | err |
| 21:02.10 | nox- | *9717ae |
| 21:02.13 | DocScrutinizer | paste result please, if not *9717ae *MR0 |
| 21:02.20 | dm8tbr | both my devices are like that |
| 21:02.23 | nox- | yep have those |
| 21:03.00 | DocScrutinizer | nobody with US version around? |
| 21:03.02 | dm8tbr | one is SWE/FIN the other is EN US. according to the full osso-product-info output |
| 21:03.23 | dm8tbr | my kbd is US, but that's it |
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| 21:35.38 | vi__ | moo |
| 21:35.38 | vi__ | you know what is lacking on maemo5? |
| 21:35.40 | vi__ | cowsay and gnu fortune. |
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| 21:41.08 | javispedro | sighs |
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| 21:41.33 | vi__ | javispedro: at the lack of cowsay |
| 21:41.36 | javispedro | if you thought h-d's logic was incomprehensible, wait and see mcompositor's |
| 21:41.51 | javispedro | the number of variables has exploded |
| 21:42.02 | javispedro | as it now even reads wheter the phone is on an outgoing or incoming call |
| 21:43.59 | DocScrutinizer | vi__: you got no international version, right? |
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| 21:44.34 | DocScrutinizer | md5sum /usr/lib/libsms.so.0.0.0; osso-product-info -q OSSO_VERSION |
| 21:44.38 | DocScrutinizer | paste result please, if not *9717 *MR0 |
| 21:44.55 | DocScrutinizer | damn, again |
| 21:45.08 | DocScrutinizer | paste result please, if not *9717ae *MR0 |
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| 21:48.11 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:48.41 | DocScrutinizer | GB or INTERNATIONAL? |
| 21:49.13 | SpeedEvil | Interenational |
| 21:49.18 | DocScrutinizer | starts to doubt OSSO_VERSION |
| 21:49.21 | SpeedEvil | I don't think there is a 1.3 UK |
| 21:49.26 | DocScrutinizer | aah |
| 21:49.37 | SpeedEvil | RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_MR0 |
| 21:51.08 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: you got any idea which version jonwil is using, and particularly what version of libsms.so his patch was against? |
| 21:51.15 | SpeedEvil | Nope |
| 21:52.48 | merlin1991 | anyone here got a pointer on how to handel files that start an application over mime association on the application side? |
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| 21:58.42 | javispedro | merlin1991: elaborate =) |
| 21:58.58 | javispedro | though my magic 8-ball says the keyword you should be googling for is hildon mime |
| 21:59.16 | merlin1991 | I'll try the 8balls advice |
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| 21:59.28 | merlin1991 | but I don't think I'll get much further than with my earlier tries :D |
| 22:03.40 | MohammadAG | javispedro, basically, what he wants is to find the mime type of a file |
| 22:03.53 | MohammadAG | or the first part of it, the one that says music/ or video/ |
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| 22:06.08 | merlin1991 | MohammadAG: I can speak for myself :D |
| 22:06.49 | MohammadAG | just helping out merlin1991 :P |
| 22:06.55 | MohammadAG | javispedro, can you help with linking? |
| 22:07.06 | MohammadAG | if .so files are there, why is the linker failing to the find the lib? |
| 22:07.39 | javispedro | "strace -e trace=open" the linker and you'll find where is it searching for them |
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| 22:08.51 | MohammadAG | point is, how does it look for them? the .pc file is there |
| 22:09.19 | javispedro | merlin1991: http://developer.gnome.org/gnome-vfs/2.24/gnome-vfs-2.0-gnome-vfs-mime.html#gnome-vfs-mime-type-from-name-or-default |
| 22:09.27 | javispedro | (dunno if gtk has an equivalent, but hildon uses that) |
| 22:09.31 | javispedro | s/gtk/qt |
| 22:10.05 | javispedro | MohammadAG: it looks for them on a set of default system paths (/usr/lib, /usr/lib/gcc/...) plus wherever you tell it to find it them via -L |
| 22:10.30 | javispedro | pkg-config is just a layer that is on top of all of this |
| 22:10.48 | javispedro | (pkg-config = .pc files) |
| 22:11.09 | MohammadAG | javispedro, /usr/lib/libqjson.so* exists, but it fails to find it |
| 22:11.24 | javispedro | linker cmd line? |
| 22:11.28 | MohammadAG | Qt has no equivalent of gnome-vfs-mime |
| 22:11.49 | javispedro | it should have something about mime |
| 22:11.56 | javispedro | or maybe kde has it |
| 22:12.11 | MohammadAG | g++ -shared -Wl,-soname,libqfacebook.so.1 -o libqfacebook.so.1.0.0 qfacebook.o graphapi.o qfacebookreply.o moc_qfacebookreply.o -L/usr/lib -lqjson -lQtNetwork -lQtCore -lpthread |
| 22:12.20 | MohammadAG | /scratchbox/compilers/cs2009q3-eglibc2.10-i486/bin/../lib/gcc/i486-pc-linux-gnu/4.4.1/../../../../i486-pc-linux-gnu/bin/ld: cannot find -lqjson |
| 22:13.10 | javispedro | note that "libqjson.so" must exist |
| 22:13.24 | javispedro | not .so.* |
| 22:13.32 | javispedro | s/not/not only |
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| 22:14.12 | MohammadAG | err, weird, why doesn't it create that |
| 22:14.18 | javispedro | run ldconfig |
| 22:14.36 | javispedro | and install -dev package if existing |
| 22:14.43 | MohammadAG | created the symlink myself, but why doesn't qjson's source make that |
| 22:14.50 | MohammadAG | javispedro, clone from git repo |
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| 22:17.31 | Hurrian | moo |
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| 22:18.18 | MohammadAG | runs sociality in Harmattan SDK |
| 22:18.25 | Hurrian | MohammadAG , how's the lockscreen going? |
| 22:18.28 | MohammadAG | I wonder how bad it'll look, without stacked windows |
| 22:18.38 | MohammadAG | Hurrian, spent my time installing the Harmattan SDK |
| 22:18.55 | javispedro | MohammadAG: mcompositor does have something about stacked windows too |
| 22:18.57 | Hurrian | ah, k |
| 22:19.14 | MohammadAG | javispedro, yes, but I'm not sure if there's a way to do them in Qt |
| 22:19.21 | javispedro | it's an atom as usual |
| 22:19.22 | MohammadAG | I know about MTF |
| 22:19.41 | javispedro | ah |
| 22:20.11 | MohammadAG | hmm, segfault |
| 22:21.28 | MohammadAG | http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=vhMdx7YL |
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| 22:24.35 | javispedro | MohammadAG: time to curse all while opening gdb |
| 22:25.51 | MohammadAG | javispedro, not sure how I can gdb + meego-run at the same time |
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| 22:26.03 | javispedro | meego-run gdb ./app |
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| 22:28.49 | MohammadAG | 0xf424431f in AbstractSensorChannelInterface::call(QDBus::CallMode, QString const&, QVariant const&, QVariant const&, QVariant const&, QVariant const&, QVariant const&, QVariant const&, QVariant const&, QVariant const&) () |
| 22:29.04 | MohammadAG | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:29.04 | MohammadAG | the fuck |
| 22:29.05 | javispedro | I do not even want to know =) |
| 22:29.19 | MohammadAG | I don't even use sensors in the app |
| 22:29.37 | merlin1991 | javispedro: I owe you a beer, works like a charm :) |
| 22:29.51 | MohammadAG | merlin1991, seriously? all I got was NULL :S |
| 22:30.04 | merlin1991 | using a slightly different method than you |
| 22:30.18 | merlin1991 | returns nice char* like "audio/mpeg" |
| 22:30.49 | MohammadAG | I used gnome_vfs_get_mime or something |
| 22:30.54 | MohammadAG | oh well, nice to see it's working |
| 22:31.09 | javispedro | what the hell |
| 22:31.12 | javispedro | the UI boots in HARMATTAN_ARMEL |
| 22:31.28 | javispedro | for a moment I even forgot I was in armel |
| 22:31.30 | merlin1991 | gnome_vfs_get_mime_type_for_name did the trick |
| 22:31.44 | MohammadAG | now strip what's after the /, if the playlist isn't the audio/video playlist, assign that, clear the playlist, add the file, start playback, launch appropriate window |
| 22:31.56 | javispedro | what the hell |
| 22:31.58 | Hurrian | javispedro, they probably introduced qemu |
| 22:32.00 | Atarii | noob question, what is the address to the folder which is mounted over USB? |
| 22:32.04 | javispedro | the UI not only boots in armel, it's faster than x86. |
| 22:32.08 | MohammadAG | classes you need are NowPlayingWindow and VideoNowPlayingWindow |
| 22:32.10 | Hurrian | Atarii ~/MyDocs |
| 22:32.22 | MohammadAG | as well as MafwPlaylistAdapter and the playlist manager :P |
| 22:32.28 | Hurrian | this is... interesting. ever since participating in the enhanced lockscreen thread, my post to thanks ratio is quickly approaching 1:1 |
| 22:32.49 | MohammadAG | there's always a MusicWindow instance with those, use the last from it |
| 22:33.13 | Atarii | ah thanks Hurrian, I think I couldn't see what I wanted as I had to unplug |
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| 22:33.51 | javispedro | first time I see natively accelerated Xephyr, and it's on ARMEL target :S |
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| 22:36.59 | javispedro | ah well, misteries. |
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| 23:14.26 | javispedro | so, there's agoing to be this civil war between meegopurists and harmattanists/nokians, which side are you going to choose? |
| 23:15.04 | GeneralAntilles | The bandits! |
| 23:15.21 | GeneralAntilles | javispedro, anything new and exciting since I was last looking? |
| 23:15.23 | merlin1991 | I dunno I see the point of meegopurists, but on they other hand they still have to ship me a handset device that I can support them :D |
| 23:15.37 | javispedro | GeneralAntilles: actually not, I read it on twitter |
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| 23:16.10 | merlin1991 | also javispedro generally I'm on my side ;) |
| 23:16.24 | javispedro | I do have to admit that meegopurists do have a point |
| 23:16.32 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, I get where they're coming from. |
| 23:16.33 | GeneralAntilles | But damn |
| 23:16.39 | GeneralAntilles | At this point you gotta take what you can get |
| 23:16.43 | GeneralAntilles | It's not an academic project. |
| 23:16.51 | javispedro | it's trivially easy to now start building harmattan-only applications |
| 23:17.01 | javispedro | completely disregarding the pure meego project. |
| 23:17.14 | javispedro | and in fact, imo, that's what is going to happen. |
| 23:17.24 | GeneralAntilles | javispedro, you have a blog? . . . |
| 23:17.48 | GeneralAntilles | Well, I think it's our job to help educate people |
| 23:17.49 | javispedro | I have a blog _and_ a twitter feed and all I do is IRC. |
| 23:17.53 | javispedro | =) |
| 23:18.19 | GeneralAntilles | The whole Qt Components/Qt Quick/Qt Politics stuff was a bit bizarre. |
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| 23:18.40 | javispedro | it is stillb izarre, and no one is going to limit themselves to a safe subset of the entire bizarro zone |
| 23:19.01 | arvut | hi.. I might have a serious problem with my n900 |
| 23:19.58 | GeneralAntilles | vivaino was talking about working to bring them back together. |
| 23:20.12 | GeneralAntilles | I haven't been paying enough attention to the API issues. |
| 23:20.31 | GeneralAntilles | But it seems like most of the incompatibility issues aren't insurmountable. |
| 23:20.53 | javispedro | probably. |
| 23:21.06 | arvut | I noticed today that when I tap the status menu I get some weird pixelissues all over the screen. like big black triangles from top left corner flickering for a few seconds before staying in place so that almost half the screen is covered with em |
| 23:21.32 | javispedro | either way, I do believe getting the harmattan love to meego is going to need a lot of push |
| 23:21.40 | GeneralAntilles | Where the hell are community packages going, anyway? |
| 23:21.49 | arvut | so whenever I press the power button or tap the status area with finger/stylus, that happens |
| 23:21.59 | nox- | arvut, you been overclocking? |
| 23:22.03 | arvut | nope |
| 23:22.04 | GeneralAntilles | arvut, have you gotten your N900 wet recently? |
| 23:22.14 | arvut | GeneralAntilles: not really |
| 23:22.26 | arvut | and this only happens when I do that |
| 23:22.41 | arvut | all app switching and other menus works fine |
| 23:23.02 | javispedro | GeneralAntilles: I am more worried about the fact that now all of us old Maemoers are now going to push all of our crap to the meticulously designed Meego repos. If there was any kind of infrastructure, it's going to be completely overrun. |
| 23:23.26 | javispedro | for example, I see there's even a Intent-To-Package queue on the Wiki. But noone knows that. |
| 23:23.28 | arvut | actually. a small black triangle at low left bottom for a split sec when ctrl+backspace too :( |
| 23:23.44 | javispedro | arvut: have you rebooted already? |
| 23:24.27 | arvut | javispedro: yeah, did earlier when cam froze at auto video mode, forced shutdown and then did a reboot |
| 23:24.54 | arvut | could it be moisture damage you think? |
| 23:25.05 | arvut | (spelling?) |
| 23:25.27 | arvut | irssi works fine and everything else too |
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| 23:25.33 | javispedro | if you believe it is moisture, shut it down, remove battery and let it rest. |
| 23:25.45 | arvut | for how long? |
| 23:25.50 | arvut | a week? |
| 23:25.57 | GeneralAntilles | javispedro, so, I guess what we need to do is summarize the important differences |
| 23:26.07 | GeneralAntilles | Figure out what areas we can work to minimize them |
| 23:26.12 | GeneralAntilles | get people doing that |
| 23:26.47 | SpeedEvil | arvut: Place in a hot place - ~60C for several days |
| 23:26.51 | GeneralAntilles | and make sure we're clear about what the differences are in the infra places we have input in. |
| 23:27.07 | arvut | anyway ty, will follow your advice and hope for improvements |
| 23:27.20 | arvut | SpeedEvil: doubt I can do that actually |
| 23:27.29 | arvut | switching to laptop, brb |
| 23:27.31 | javispedro | arvut: at least for a few hours.. |
| 23:27.45 | GeneralAntilles | Goddamn Finns. |
| 23:27.45 | MohammadAG | GeneralAntilles, I had the same question, can't say the answer on #meego helped |
| 23:27.53 | GeneralAntilles | We don't have an N9 and they're doing shit like this: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bergie/5865395281/in/contacts/ |
| 23:28.07 | MohammadAG | I already packaged qjson and qfacebook, but what's the use |
| 23:28.43 | javispedro | MohammadAG: if you want to be in good shape, I'd try following the path for meego netbook first. |
| 23:28.50 | MohammadAG | regardless, I hope the same extras-devel process stays the same, having a repo for each person/dev is gonna clutter lists |
| 23:29.39 | GeneralAntilles | But, we're probably best qualified (and most willing) to work on this. |
| 23:29.54 | GeneralAntilles | As N950s are going to start showing up in the hand's of devs RSN |
| 23:29.59 | GeneralAntilles | It should probably be a priority. |
| 23:30.22 | mikki-kun | SpeedEvil: is 60°C sensible? *points at LCD and the internal components* |
| 23:31.20 | SpeedEvil | 60C is about what it's going to reach in a moderately warm car. |
| 23:31.23 | ShadowJK | it'd be really funny if there were community repos for N9, and they became full with random games and other crap requiring keyboard to get out of or use |
| 23:31.24 | SpeedEvil | Remove the battery first. |
| 23:31.44 | SpeedEvil | Having said that - my n900 was operating fine for several hours loggin GPS at 60C |
| 23:32.06 | MohammadAG | I put my N900 in the fridge once |
| 23:32.47 | MohammadAG | I just realized emulators won't run as is on the N9 |
| 23:33.07 | javispedro | you mean due to lack of keyb? |
| 23:33.16 | mikki-kun | SpeedEvil: on some LCDs 50°C is given as a max value |
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| 23:35.27 | SpeedEvil | N810 is specified as http://europe.nokia.com/find-products/devices/nokia-810/technical-specifications -30 to 80C intermittent |
| 23:35.31 | SpeedEvil | operating |
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| 23:35.49 | arvut | hi again |
| 23:36.02 | GeneralAntilles | javispedro, somebody needs to get Jaffa to blog about this. |
| 23:36.51 | javispedro | heh |
| 23:36.52 | arvut | so, has any of you encountered this kind of.. behaviour from a n900 before? |
| 23:37.04 | javispedro | arvut: yes, but it usually goes away with a reboot. |
| 23:37.08 | mikki-kun | arvut: you sure you didn't break anything? |
| 23:37.09 | arvut | oh |
| 23:37.26 | ShadowJK | GeneralAntilles, after the 10-0 maemo.org vs ovi store, the leaders created new competition that only ovi store can win ;P |
| 23:37.27 | GeneralAntilles | arvut, when my friend got his wet at Islands of Adventure. |
| 23:37.34 | arvut | mikki-kun: nothing visable, so can't tell if I did |
| 23:37.59 | arvut | GeneralAntilles: ah, and its alive today? |
| 23:37.59 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade will be useful in this endeavor, too. |
| 23:38.08 | GeneralAntilles | arvut, yes. |
| 23:38.20 | arvut | x-fade? wow ty, thats.. reassuring somehow |
| 23:38.31 | javispedro | lol |
| 23:38.41 | arvut | I do have ensurance ofcourse but I luv my lil phone =P' |
| 23:38.50 | javispedro | arvut: x-fade is useful for the other topic we are discussing, not your wet n900 |
| 23:38.51 | ShadowJK | I think you're confusing two thrads of conversation |
| 23:38.58 | GeneralAntilles | is multitalking. |
| 23:39.14 | mikki-kun | arvut: did you install anything recently? |
| 23:39.15 | arvut | multitalk/task ftw =) |
| 23:39.23 | mikki-kun | GeneralAntilles: i hope on the n900 ;) |
| 23:39.44 | arvut | mikki-kun: hmm, health check =) nice app really but that was like a week ago |
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| 23:39.57 | arvut | checks battery status and dead pixles for examle |
| 23:40.02 | arvut | example* |
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| 23:41.07 | arvut | its rather wet outdoors here in stockholm tho, visiting relatives but I doubt the moisture could get in and ruin it that easy. a freshly built house and all |
| 23:41.08 | mikki-kun | hm, and so far, does it happen on a special occasion? |
| 23:41.13 | Termana | good morning |
| 23:41.29 | arvut | yeah, when I push the powerbutton to check status |
| 23:41.38 | arvut | Termana: evening =) |
| 23:41.39 | mikki-kun | status? |
| 23:41.40 | arvut | or night |
| 23:41.45 | mikki-kun | Termana: good morning :) |
| 23:42.12 | arvut | well you know, battery level, connect to network, the top bar you can tap on the touchscreen which sums it all up |
| 23:42.24 | arvut | near the clock |
| 23:42.37 | mikki-kun | ahhhh, i thought you mentioned the physical button on top of it |
| 23:43.08 | arvut | well, thats just a shortcut when I don't wanna use the touchscreen to do it |
| 23:43.25 | arvut | its when the menu scrolls down that this happens |
| 23:43.44 | mikki-kun | hm, so you changed the behaviour of the powerbutton? |
| 23:43.44 | javispedro | to me it seems like if Harmattan and Meego made a first attempt at approaching a year or so ago, then forgot about approaching altogether and each went its own way |
| 23:43.45 | arvut | and minimally when you press ctrl+backspace |
| 23:44.08 | javispedro | which is the cause of things like MTF deprecation in 1.3 when virtually _all_ of Harmattan is MTF, etc. |
| 23:44.23 | mikki-kun | javispedro: may i ask what MTF is? |
| 23:44.28 | arvut | mikki-kun: hmm, maybe when it was new, when I press it it will show me that menu, if the screen is unlocked that is |
| 23:44.41 | arvut | if not then the slider to unlock it appears as usual |
| 23:44.46 | javispedro | mikki-kun: libmeegotouch |
| 23:44.55 | arvut | if doublepressed, lock |
| 23:45.13 | merlin1991 | mikki-kun: MTF is the meego touch framework |
| 23:45.16 | arvut | btw, hows meego turning out= |
| 23:45.19 | arvut | ? |
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| 23:45.32 | mikki-kun | hm, when i press on my powerbutton i cannot switch connections and see the network and battery power and such |
| 23:45.42 | arvut | still haven't tried it. should do so on this laptop first i think |
| 23:46.27 | mikki-kun | only restart and phone, shut it down, switch profile and end the current task if one's running |
| 23:46.46 | arvut | mikki-kun: if you tap the area next to the app changerbutton then you get that menu, I also get it when I press the powerbutton once If the screen is unlocked |
| 23:47.11 | arvut | oh, I might have modified the contents of that menu awhile ago =) |
| 23:47.38 | mikki-kun | hm, it might be some of those configurations might be fighting over who's now popping up |
| 23:48.14 | mikki-kun | in case of doubt whether hardware is broken or not, maybe make a backup and flash it |
| 23:49.28 | arvut | anyway, when it appears, the box with all that content (it appears as it should) but infront of that, a nasty big triangle, mostly black but with some red stripes in it starts flickering quickly across the screen. mostly visable from top left corner where it then stays (along with some minor ones at each corner |
| 23:49.46 | arvut | blocking ~ half of the sceen |
| 23:50.47 | arvut | mikki-kun: will do that if drying it up doesnt do the job, and if hardware is broken then I'm glad I got reassurance for it |
| 23:51.44 | nox- | btw were there more stories of ppl getting n8.s back who sent in n900.s for `repair'? |
| 23:51.46 | arvut | would I notice any battery drain if hardwarefailure is the reason btw? it did drain awfully quick today too |
| 23:51.47 | mikki-kun | arvut: i personally wouldn't go too high with the temps though, 60°C sounds rather awkward for me... |
| 23:52.10 | arvut | yeah, cant reach 60°c anyway |
| 23:52.32 | arvut | maybe if I put it ontop of this 80° laptop =| |
| 23:53.04 | javispedro | arvut: for now why don't you just remove the battery for a few minutes |
| 23:53.06 | mikki-kun | my netbook has an emergy shutdown at 85°C i think |
| 23:53.52 | MohammadAG | javispedro, they're not QML? |
| 23:53.57 | arvut | whats the normal temp of the cpu on a n900 btw? QCPU.. normally says around 300 (overclocking tool I use to check temp, nothing more) |
| 23:54.33 | javispedro | MohammadAG: there's no single piece of qml software in the sbox sdk. |
| 23:54.39 | javispedro | well, save for the qmlviewer app. |
| 23:54.54 | arvut | javispedro: its done awhile ago, drying up in a shelf until late tomorrow afternoon |
| 23:54.59 | MohammadAG | damn, I thought all the UI was QML |
| 23:55.07 | arvut | and its 01:54 here |
| 23:55.12 | javispedro | MohammadAG: most of it is MTF and GraphicsView |
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| 23:55.43 | arvut | MTF? QML? |
| 23:55.52 | arvut | interesting acronyms =P |
| 23:56.10 | MohammadAG | javispedro, shows how powerful Qt is without QML |
| 23:56.16 | javispedro | my point in this civil war is that if you call harmattan meego, by the same reasoning you could call fremantle meego. |
| 23:56.35 | mikki-kun | arvut: 300? lolwtf?! x) mine has something around uhhhhh.... |
| 23:56.38 | arvut | what's QML and MFT then? |
| 23:56.39 | DocScrutinizer | arvut: you definitely have no moisture issues. mikki-kun is probably right there is a some sort of race going on that ruins teh displayed data, and sucks battery for powering GFX core all the time |
| 23:57.02 | javispedro | but I do see the benefits in calling harmattan meego =) |
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| 23:57.05 | arvut | DocScrutinizer: oh.. a reflash then? |
| 23:57.11 | javispedro | hmm, I should start a blog I guess ... =) |
| 23:57.16 | DocScrutinizer | arvut: there's no reliable temp sensor on CPU |
| 23:57.19 | mikki-kun | arvut: i'd also recommend checking on the current drawn and services running |
| 23:57.20 | DocScrutinizer | it's bogus |
| 23:57.30 | arvut | aha |
| 23:57.37 | mikki-kun | DocScrutinizer: isn't the battery sensor at least sensible? |
| 23:57.43 | arvut | xorg likes to log alot |
| 23:58.03 | arvut | like 2-3% cpu to 100% |
| 23:58.14 | DocScrutinizer | there is no real battery sensor |
| 23:58.27 | arvut | well, that app is going bye bye then |
| 23:58.38 | arvut | its of no use if the sensors aren't there |
| 23:58.54 | DocScrutinizer | what usually is called battery temp sensor is the chip temp of the battery management chip |
| 23:58.59 | arvut | and I'm not into overclocking a perfectly neat device |
| 23:59.04 | javispedro | "@fakeselop: I'm pleased to announce that we're outsourcing future MeeGo Harmattan development to Burger King." |
| 23:59.41 | arvut | javispedro: lol? |
| 23:59.42 | mikki-kun | arvut: x is okay, it displays all your graphics, it's a pretty essential part when you want anything apart from xterm |
| 23:59.44 | GAN900 | "Would you like MMS with that?" |
| 23:59.48 | ShadowJK | actually there's a battery temp sensor in the schematics, connected to gaia madc. It probably sits on the pcb close to battery bay |
| 23:59.58 | MohammadAG | javispedro, I actually lol'd |
