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| 00:35.39 | DocScrutinizer | I wonder how long share.ovi.com will persist - wasn't it discontinued? |
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| 01:34.53 | iluminator101 | hi when i play certain videos on n900 after i play it once it says file not supported? |
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| 01:45.37 | GonzoTheGreat | are you overclocking? |
| 01:46.45 | GonzoTheGreat | or undervolting |
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| 02:12.01 | DocScrutinizer | iluminator101: there's a known issue with some video encoded in some particular format makes the GFX hw accel hang. AFAIK you have to reboot after that to recover. Shouldn't say "file not supported" for just one file then, but doesn't playback any video |
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| 02:12.41 | DocScrutinizer | the effect is reproducable with particular "offending" video files |
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| 02:13.27 | DocScrutinizer | probably a bug in the hw accel decoder code |
| 02:15.30 | DocScrutinizer | actually OC and messing with core voltages can also cause a lockup, and in case of OC this can be permanent flaw that causes frequent lockups even when clock is reverted to normal |
| 02:18.10 | SpeedEvil | Corrupt files can also wedge the decoder in a state that needs a reboot |
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| 02:30.22 | GonzoTheGreat | I can reproduce this undervolting. The "gpu" really doesn't like it. |
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| 02:31.22 | DocScrutinizer | sure, otherwise Nokia had chosen lower voltage to make for longer battery endurance |
| 02:32.05 | GonzoTheGreat | Some people are just lucky. But then again they probably have dodgy usb ports |
| 02:32.36 | DocScrutinizer | and if OC was without risk and damage, Nokia for sure would not run the device underclocked to give nerds sth they can "add 2 eggs and a glass of milk to bake the cake" |
| 02:34.19 | iluminator101 | DocScrutinizer, exactly have to reboot |
| 02:34.20 | DocScrutinizer | warranty is max 2 years afaik. So expect device to break in less than that when you overclock. Of course that's worst case scenario |
| 02:34.24 | GonzoTheGreat | Then mine runs quite ok slightly overclocked and undervolted. Just enough to get better battery and play some videos it wouldn't otherwise. |
| 02:34.25 | iluminator101 | DocScrutinizer, how can i fix this |
| 02:34.39 | DocScrutinizer | don't play back the killing file |
| 02:35.02 | GonzoTheGreat | iluminator101: so are you undervolting or not? |
| 02:35.30 | iluminator101 | GonzoTheGreat, no stock didnt make any changes |
| 02:36.04 | GonzoTheGreat | did you pause the video? |
| 02:36.07 | DocScrutinizer | find which file kills the gfx engine. delete the file |
| 02:36.37 | DocScrutinizer | get same movie in another encoding or rate or whatever |
| 02:36.40 | iluminator101 | GonzoTheGreat, yea sometimes |
| 02:37.00 | GonzoTheGreat | Seem to remember it did that for me. It couldn't resume from those points. |
| 02:37.29 | GonzoTheGreat | I can't remember where those "bookmarks" are stored. |
| 02:38.13 | GonzoTheGreat | Try moving it somewhere and rename it and moving it back. It think it is handled by tracker. |
| 02:38.37 | GonzoTheGreat | waits for DocScrutinizer to get warmed up |
| 02:39.07 | DocScrutinizer | err wut? |
| 02:39.21 | GonzoTheGreat | I mentioned the "t" word |
| 02:40.19 | DocScrutinizer | it's some particular encoding sequence occasionally occuring in random arbitrary video files. If you run into such a file that has the killer sequence, you can do really little about it |
| 02:40.30 | DocScrutinizer | meh |
| 02:40.50 | DocScrutinizer | the t word gets eaten for breakfast |
| 02:40.58 | SpeedEvil | You can add another media player - mplayer for example - and watch it using that. |
| 02:41.03 | DocScrutinizer | and actually is unrelated here |
| 02:41.15 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: indeed |
| 02:41.21 | DocScrutinizer | good point |
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| 02:46.25 | GonzoTheGreat | DocScrutinizer: could it be that seeking to a "bookmarked point" in certain files could trigger this but not playing "across" this point? |
| 02:47.01 | DocScrutinizer | might, but unlikely |
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| 02:47.55 | DocScrutinizer | well, maybe there are special "hints" for searching in such video files, that aren't used for normal playback |
| 02:48.11 | DocScrutinizer | so if such a hint is flawed... X-[ |
| 02:48.55 | DocScrutinizer | hints like a linked list of forward pointers to next second, minute, etc |
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| 02:50.48 | DocScrutinizer | you'd not need that for normal playback, but for searching to a particular point it's useful, and can break things if such pointer is defect |
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| 02:54.39 | DocScrutinizer | usually the distance between 2 i-frames (full picture) is limited, i.e. there must not be more than x differential frames between 2 i-frames. Sometimes encoders violate that rule. Results may vary depending on decoder |
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| 03:12.45 | internetishard | Is there a way to make the n900 only connect to one wifi network? |
| 03:12.53 | internetishard | automatically that is? |
| 03:13.05 | internetishard | so it doesn't connect randomly to every network it sees, except for my home network |
| 03:14.27 | DocScrutinizer | err yes |
| 03:14.36 | wblaze | isn't that the default behavior? |
| 03:14.37 | DocScrutinizer | look on tmo for details |
| 03:14.47 | DocScrutinizer | I thought as well |
| 03:15.26 | wblaze | I usually switch off wifi when I am out anyway... but still |
| 03:15.35 | DocScrutinizer | connect auto only to known networks |
| 03:15.54 | DocScrutinizer | never |
| 03:16.54 | wblaze | meh, battery life is bad enough without scanning wifi while driving |
| 03:16.57 | DocScrutinizer | N900 does wlan@home -> GPRS when I leave home, and it goes gprs -> wlan@MyPub when I arrive there |
| 03:17.04 | internetishard | oh, so you make only one network "known"? |
| 03:17.06 | internetishard | how is this done? |
| 03:18.56 | wblaze | settings->internet connections->connections |
| 03:19.03 | DocScrutinizer | settings -> internet connections: "automatic coonect"->all , "[x] switch to wlan when available" |
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| 03:19.59 | wblaze | delete any wifi profiles not your home wifi |
| 03:20.05 | DocScrutinizer | under connections -> connections you get the known ones and can delete those you don't like |
| 03:21.34 | DocScrutinizer | depending on your needs for battery life and connectivity you may want to use an interval for WLAN search of 5, 10, 30, or 60 min |
| 03:22.22 | DocScrutinizer | wblaze: how long are you driving? |
| 03:22.33 | DocScrutinizer | ;-) |
| 03:23.22 | DocScrutinizer | I'm using a scan interval of 10min and think that's just fine |
| 03:23.34 | wblaze | depends on the day |
| 03:24.10 | DocScrutinizer | esp since UMTS fills in the gaps between wifi hotspots and scan intervals |
| 03:24.43 | DocScrutinizer | which I'm going to demonstrate right now |
| 03:24.46 | DocScrutinizer | o/ |
| 03:25.25 | wblaze | often multiple hours |
| 03:27.32 | internetishard | that means I can't save wep keys for connects that I don't want to auto connect to? |
| 03:28.03 | internetishard | I've dozens of profiles that will probably come in handy at times |
| 03:28.06 | wblaze | disable those profiles |
| 03:28.13 | wblaze | enable when needed |
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| 03:28.28 | internetishard | how? |
| 03:29.01 | wblaze | hm, apparently not |
| 03:29.11 | internetishard | Indeed, this is annoying functionality |
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| 03:29.24 | internetishard | They really need to open up their software so we can fix all the non-sensical stuff |
| 03:29.33 | internetishard | like not have groups in the address book |
| 03:29.53 | SpeedEvil | internetishard: indeed |
| 03:30.02 | wblaze | i find it easier to just use wifi switcher, tbh |
| 03:30.23 | internetishard | I thought they dropped support... why don't they have it open already? |
| 03:30.42 | SpeedEvil | internetishard: It's still actually for sale in some markets. |
| 03:30.56 | internetishard | I'm tired of manually switching to wifi everytime I get home, and forget, and then get a skype call over 3g or something |
| 03:31.01 | SpeedEvil | But - logic doesn't work so well. |
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| 04:19.35 | internetishard | Hope I can get an easy work around for this soon |
| 04:19.53 | internetishard | I want to have all of those profiles since they've lots of wep keys saved, but I only want to auto connect to one network (home) |
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| 07:17.42 | cloudyLights | ~seen lardman |
| 07:17.48 | infobot | lardman <~lardman@Maemo/community/contributor/lardman> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 1d 12h 31s ago, saying: 'http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-13759612'. |
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| 07:24.59 | DocScrutinizer | ~moo |
| 07:24.59 | infobot | ACTION mooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass |
| 07:25.09 | DocScrutinizer | ~smack cloudyLights |
| 07:25.10 | infobot | ACTION smacks cloudyLights upside the head. |
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| 07:37.01 | Macer | wtf? |
| 07:38.59 | DocScrutinizer | Macer: ? |
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| 07:39.28 | DocScrutinizer | do you also want a smack from infobot ? |
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| 07:40.51 | DocScrutinizer | it's so nicely ambiguous |
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| 07:42.52 | Macer | i am a cow moo? |
| 07:42.57 | Macer | wtf? :) |
| 07:43.35 | Macer | i used my g2 for 2 days before i couldnt take android anymore and swapped back to my n900 |
| 07:43.44 | ruskie | hehe |
| 07:44.23 | Macer | i just have had it collecting dust |
| 07:44.32 | Macer | wish i could put maemo on it :) |
| 07:44.43 | Macer | that would be so awesome |
| 07:44.49 | Macer | the hardware isn't too bad |
| 07:45.18 | Macer | flimsy.. but internally it is ok |
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| 08:27.27 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, confirmation needed (by actual EE) |
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| 08:29.04 | DocScrutinizer | http://shr-project.org/trac/wiki/Devices ... |
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| 08:31.46 | tzafrir | bah. I just had my N900 ring non-stop. Had to power it off to stop it from ringing |
| 08:35.36 | cloudyLights | hi tzafrir |
| 08:35.42 | cloudyLights | didnt know you own a N900 |
| 08:36.01 | cloudyLights | I am assuming you are that asterisk dev - right? |
| 08:36.14 | tzafrir | yes |
| 08:36.34 | cloudyLights | want to test this app I wrote? |
| 08:36.47 | tzafrir | What is it? |
| 08:37.13 | cloudyLights | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=74030 |
| 08:37.31 | cloudyLights | switch the profile according to the meetings in the calender |
| 08:38.06 | tzafrir | I hardly use meetings, so I'll pass |
| 08:38.08 | cloudyLights | also , did you see the attempt to raise funds to get waze on N900? |
| 08:38.36 | cloudyLights | any special code you wrote lately? |
| 08:38.41 | tzafrir | and no. I hardly care about waze. I like to keep my phone clean |
| 08:38.48 | cloudyLights | btw, I no longer work for VS |
| 08:40.26 | cloudyLights | tzafrir: did you write any code for the N900? |
| 08:40.33 | tzafrir | No, not really |
| 08:40.52 | cloudyLights | any GPL code you published lately? |
| 08:41.06 | cloudyLights | just to know if there is anything new..... |
| 08:44.08 | tzafrir | Mostly asterisk-related things |
| 08:44.19 | cloudyLights | yes I know |
| 08:45.50 | cloudyLights | I just synced my work calender (exchange) with my N900 |
| 08:46.00 | cloudyLights | mail for exchange - WORKS |
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| 08:46.09 | cloudyLights | I used to try it with google and fial |
| 08:46.12 | cloudyLights | fail |
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| 08:53.31 | cloudyLights | hi Khertan_ |
| 08:53.54 | cloudyLights | I am so new to development in FSF |
| 08:54.06 | cloudyLights | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=74030 |
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| 09:13.23 | Khertan_ | Morning ! |
| 09:13.28 | Khertan_ | cloudyLights: Hi |
| 09:13.32 | cloudyLights | morning |
| 09:13.46 | Khertan_ | cloudyLights: congrats now you have just to push it to extras devel :) |
| 09:13.51 | cloudyLights | I was so happy yesterday , that I finally got a deb file |
| 09:14.22 | cloudyLights | I thought about this app 5 years ago |
| 09:14.38 | cloudyLights | and promissed to code it on my N900 - when I got it |
| 09:14.56 | cloudyLights | actually I bought the N900 to push me to develop for it |
| 09:15.12 | cloudyLights | so now after so much time , I got a working program |
| 09:15.33 | cloudyLights | thanks you |
| 09:16.24 | Khertan_ | your welcome |
| 09:16.35 | Khertan_ | can i suggest you KhtEditor to code on device ? :) |
| 09:16.58 | cloudyLights | hmm, I used vi |
| 09:16.58 | Khertan_ | cloudyLights: http://khertan.net/khteditor |
| 09:17.24 | cloudyLights | I used ssh to the N900 , but also the N900 keyboard on the bus |
| 09:17.34 | Khertan_ | yep but vim on maemo wasn't compiled with python so cannot syntax check on the flight |
| 09:17.46 | Khertan_ | with pyflakes :) |
| 09:19.33 | cloudyLights | pyflakes.... ok |
| 09:19.53 | cloudyLights | I wish I had a location lib for python |
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| 09:20.38 | Khertan_ | a location lib ? |
| 09:21.28 | cloudyLights | I still need to write a program to deal with profile |
| 09:21.45 | cloudyLights | to allow my SO to ring , even if the phone is in silent |
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| 09:22.00 | cloudyLights | but then , I need an application to wake me up in the bus |
| 09:22.11 | cloudyLights | when I am near my stop - wake me up |
| 09:22.29 | cloudyLights | say: if the cellular tower changes to X - alert me |
| 09:25.12 | Khertan_ | hum ... you can use QtMobility.Location for gps |
| 09:25.29 | Khertan_ | but not sure you can catch cellular tower |
| 09:25.57 | cloudyLights | cellular tower info - is cheap on the battery |
| 09:28.26 | Khertan_ | cloudyLights: http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qtmobility-1.2/qgeoareamonitor.html could interest you |
| 09:28.30 | robbiethe1st | Bah! Just attach a home-made 3000+mAh battery, never worry about it running out again! |
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| 09:29.34 | DocScrutinizer | cloudyLights: you should look into dwimd |
| 09:30.18 | DocScrutinizer | I think development stalled at some point, but it did kinda work |
| 09:30.24 | DocScrutinizer | iirc |
| 09:32.25 | DocScrutinizer | cloudyLights: http://maemo.org/packages/view/dwimd/ |
| 09:32.37 | cloudyLights | right - I see this |
| 09:33.14 | DocScrutinizer | I contributed a few ideas and concept bits, so I think this is a rather nice concept |
| 09:33.18 | DocScrutinizer | ;-) |
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| 09:39.51 | Khertan_ | cloudyLights: you could also use agps data only : QGeoPositionInfoSource::NonSatellitePositioningMethods |
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| 09:44.25 | ShadowJK | in Maemo4 there was location bindings for python |
| 09:44.38 | DocScrutinizer | hmm |
| 09:44.58 | DocScrutinizer | ~lart qtmobility |
| 09:44.58 | infobot | nukes qtmobility with a single large nuke |
| 09:45.33 | ShadowJK | isn't qtmobility the thing that runs all sensors all the time, eating battery |
| 09:45.40 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 09:46.59 | DocScrutinizer | probably developed on i5 servers for laptops |
| 09:47.49 | DocScrutinizer | I'm not at all excited about it |
| 09:49.10 | DocScrutinizer | alas there'll be plenty of apps built on qtm, and then users flame about N900 hw again - "ohnoes it cuts thru 5 batteries a day. This phone is such a piece of ****" |
| 09:50.47 | Dibblah | Cool. Load-tested my new battery. |
| 09:51.07 | Dibblah | 1604mAh last measured discharge. |
| 09:51.19 | Dibblah | (After 3 cycles, last two were the same. |
| 09:51.39 | ruskie | http://regmedia.co.uk/2011/06/13/motorola_atrix_5.jpg <-- at a quick glance it looks almost like a maemo device |
| 09:51.54 | ShadowJK | What battery is that? |
| 09:52.26 | ShadowJK | and cycle count since learning? |
| 09:53.51 | Dibblah | http://www.aliexpress.com/fm-store/601765/209996492-436082429/Lithium-ion-Battery-for-Nokia-BL-5J-5230-5800XM-5233-N900-1420mAh-Free-Shipping.html |
| 09:53.54 | Dibblah | 0 |
| 09:54.29 | Dibblah | by "the same" I mean 1592 |
| 09:54.36 | ShadowJK | ah |
| 09:54.51 | Dibblah | Absolutely massive presentation case, though. Almost as big as a VHS box. |
| 09:54.57 | Dibblah | And they sent 3 of them. |
| 09:55.15 | Dibblah | ... Admittedly, they sent 3 because I ordered 3. |
| 09:55.25 | ShadowJK | I'd get one of those but I'm worried about the extra thickness :) |
| 09:55.47 | Dibblah | Not really an issue. |
| 09:55.51 | Dibblah | It fits just fine. |
| 09:56.40 | ShadowJK | Worried extra pressure is a contributing factor to the "crossed out sim" plague :) |
| 09:56.41 | Dibblah | The humorous part to me is it's marked as a 1420mAh cell. |
| 09:57.47 | ShadowJK | Well, bq27200 measures down to 3248mV and assumes there's 6% left, which isn't necessarily the case.. |
| 09:57.48 | DocScrutinizer | shouldn't there be no pressure to SIM holder at all, from battery |
| 09:57.52 | DocScrutinizer | ? |
| 09:58.11 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, the sim holder is probably not relevant |
| 09:58.21 | DocScrutinizer | aah |
| 09:58.59 | Dibblah | It is slightly heavier, which I find interesting. |
| 09:59.02 | ShadowJK | in dmesg it looked like cellmo was crashing or the data lines between cellmo and omap glitching |
| 09:59.30 | Dibblah | Normal cell - 27.13g. New cell - 30.64g. |
| 10:00.05 | Khertan_ | ShadowJK: qtmobility run all sensor if dev do nawak ... else only things asked by the dev |
| 10:00.05 | ShadowJK | So typical Nokia soldering + periodic warping/bending + internal temp 60C == cellmo coming loose almost like musb port? :) |
| 10:00.10 | ShadowJK | is just guessing |
| 10:00.39 | ShadowJK | "nawak"? |
| 10:00.42 | RST38h | How do you BEND the freaking N900 board? |
| 10:00.47 | RST38h | During operation? |
| 10:00.53 | jaska | telekinesis |
| 10:01.03 | RST38h | + N900 rarely exceeds 37oC |
| 10:01.33 | DocScrutinizer | haha |
| 10:01.43 | Khertan_ | ShadowJK: nawak ... hum sorry a french argo words ... == stupid things |
| 10:01.50 | Khertan_ | stupid unlogical things |
| 10:01.50 | Khertan_ | :) |
| 10:02.02 | DocScrutinizer | oh tepco |
| 10:02.02 | ShadowJK | RST38h, mine hit 60C in car when on charger, running navigation, streaming internet radio over hspa to car radio over fmtx :-) |
| 10:02.10 | ruskie | hehe |
| 10:02.12 | ruskie | insane setup |
| 10:02.19 | RST38h | ShadowJK: Uh! |
| 10:02.22 | DocScrutinizer | ~tepco |
| 10:02.22 | infobot | 'tepco' (1 of 2): sth especially stupid or messed up; "this construction is completely tepco"; "please stop behaving tepco" |
| 10:02.22 | Khertan_ | RST38h: else if you let it in your car like me ... it hit 70C and battery was killed |
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| 10:02.47 | RST38h | ShadowJK: Mine got really hot only once - getting some torrents overnight, before qwerty12 fixed the throttling |
| 10:03.03 | RST38h | Khertan; No way I am leaving the Precious in my car! |
| 10:03.20 | ShadowJK | it was like 700-900mA power consumption for 3 hours :P |
| 10:03.24 | Khertan_ | using pylint on large source code can also make it hot |
| 10:03.35 | Khertan_ | and drain battery in less than 30min |
| 10:03.51 | ShadowJK | btw, it was awesome. The music paused for the naigation instructions, and then resumed. through car speakers :) |
| 10:03.59 | robbiethe1st | Leaving mbarcode open, at 1ghz can also make it hot ;) |
| 10:04.02 | Khertan_ | RST38h: i ve two precious. ... and i forgot one in the car :) |
| 10:04.12 | ShadowJK | draining battery in 30 minutes is kinda impossible |
| 10:04.20 | Khertan_ | ShadowJK: it is ! |
| 10:04.28 | Khertan_ | ShadowJK: i do it more than one time |
| 10:04.48 | ShadowJK | Largest drain I've been able to get was about 1250mA, which still runs for almost an hour |
| 10:04.58 | edheldil | I have to buy car charger for mine. My old charger is unable to make it charge |
| 10:04.58 | DocScrutinizer | LOL |
| 10:05.01 | DocScrutinizer | NO way |
| 10:05.05 | Khertan_ | put large source code on the sd card |
| 10:05.14 | Khertan_ | and use pylint to check it |
| 10:05.31 | ShadowJK | khertan, are you aware that battery icon shows full until 50% or so :) |
| 10:05.39 | DocScrutinizer | battery has 4.9Wh, which means your device would melt away at ~10W |
| 10:06.17 | ShadowJK | your battery probably wasn't full to start with.. or then you have one of those cheap ebay batteries that say 1930mAh but actually have 600mAh |
| 10:06.52 | Dibblah | Just measured. Old cell - 5.56mm x 60.00mm x 37.8mm New cell - 5.95mm x 60.00mm x 37.8mm |
| 10:06.52 | DocScrutinizer | I think there's no way to go <90min, unless you find a way to short the battery or make some chips desolder themselves |
| 10:07.01 | Dibblah | So the only difference is .5mm in thickness. |
| 10:07.08 | Dibblah | That's including all labels, etc. |
| 10:07.46 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, I wonder where battery protection chip cuts off for overcurrent? |
| 10:08.01 | DocScrutinizer | some 2..3A |
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| 10:08.20 | DocScrutinizer | iirc |
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| 10:09.49 | DocScrutinizer | some simply cut out on V(vlow) on internal resistance |
| 10:10.48 | DocScrutinizer | I mean you got internal impedance of cell, plus PTC |
| 10:11.15 | DocScrutinizer | easy to bomb that down to <3.0V |
| 10:11.23 | Dibblah | https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-XfAG8C6LhTk/TfnWrFtP1FI/AAAAAAAABhY/3rAq6afFcbk/s800/20110616_001b.jpg |
| 10:11.33 | Dibblah | Picture of the insane presentation case. |
| 10:12.30 | DocScrutinizer | drools over MX... while glaring on the disassembled twin here |
| 10:12.51 | Dibblah | That's the GF (not grapefruit)'s MX. |
| 10:13.04 | DocScrutinizer | ~nuke OMRON switches and whole OMRON |
| 10:13.04 | infobot | ACTION prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at OMRON switches and whole OMRON ... Bâ¢â¢M! |
| 10:13.15 | Dibblah | I now have the Performance MX (Now with Less Features!) |
| 10:13.45 | Dibblah | I was actually expecting the Performance MX to work as a USB mouse when USB tethered :( |
| 10:14.42 | DocScrutinizer | I mean, how bad is THAT - sell a 80EUR mouse and use 20ct crap switches that are known to break after 2 years of normal use for everybody |
| 10:16.11 | DocScrutinizer | utters curses against logitech |
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| 10:22.35 | gomiam | DocScrutinizer: hey, if you can spend 80 euros on a mouse now, you can do it again in two years. If you can't you should have bought the 40 euro one :P |
| 10:23.29 | Khertan_ | ShadowJK: i didn't use this ebay cheap battery |
| 10:23.57 | Khertan_ | ShadowJK: and battery was fully charged according to the green led :) |
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| 10:55.54 | DocScrutinizer51 | Khertan_: I used all tricks I could figure to crank up discharging (except overclocking), and I could"mt get down to 1h with normal bat worth of discharge current |
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| 10:56.34 | DocScrutinizer51 | 30min for eating 5Wh is mere impossible |
| 11:00.13 | Khertan_ | DocScrutinizer51: maybe i should check my battery so |
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| 11:01.40 | Khertan_ | DocScrutinizer51: the battery is inflated .... 2 or 3 mm |
| 11:01.42 | Khertan_ | :( |
| 11:01.46 | DocScrutinizer | there's been a report about somebody killing his battery due to overheating by iirc transcoding a video on OC |
| 11:02.01 | DocScrutinizer | even that took longer than 30min I think |
| 11:02.31 | Khertan_ | DocScrutinizer: mine probably got some trouble the day i forgot my n900 in the car |
| 11:02.43 | DocScrutinizer | Khertan_: so dispose it somewhere where explosions won't damage anything (no kidding) |
| 11:03.03 | DocScrutinizer | definitely |
| 11:03.03 | cloudyLights | DocScrutinizer: my freind manage to break his usb connector in his N900 |
| 11:03.07 | Khertan_ | DocScrutinizer: i ll give it to seller when i ll buy a new one |
| 11:03.23 | Khertan_ | 55Euros ... pfff |
| 11:03.28 | cloudyLights | I remeber you gave a lot of advice on how to replace the connector |
| 11:03.53 | mece | There's a danger with lithium batteries if they've bloated on overheating while discharging, they might catch fire if you recharge them. |
| 11:04.01 | mece | careful with that. |
| 11:04.40 | Khertan_ | mece: i know i see some really dangerous things with more powerfull laptop battery |
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| 11:06.31 | Khertan_ | mece: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJCZ4ayioCU |
| 11:07.04 | DocScrutinizer | Khertan_: http://share.ovi.com/media/joerg900.public/joerg900.10107 |
| 11:07.15 | haj | Okay.. Looks like i'm out regarding to N900... |
| 11:07.29 | haj | " Please kindly be informed that N900 swap units are not available any more |
| 11:07.29 | haj | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:07.30 | haj | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:08.15 | DocScrutinizer | WTF?? |
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| 11:08.37 | kerio | ¿qué? |
| 11:08.46 | DocScrutinizer | insist in a maemo device! |
| 11:09.10 | Khertan_ | haj: ? We didn't have anymore n900 unit available we will send you a Nokia 321 |
| 11:09.13 | kerio | hold on, that's just for the time of replace, right? |
| 11:09.13 | Khertan_ | haj: ? We didn't have anymore n900 unit available we will send you a Nokia 3210 |
| 11:09.17 | Khertan_ | lol |
| 11:09.20 | Juozapas | hi is it possible to connect n900 to internet cable via "lan port - microUsb" cable or some other way (not wifi)? |
| 11:09.25 | kerio | i mean, you get your repaired n900 back eventually |
| 11:09.26 | DocScrutinizer | sorry, insuline is out. Here, take some aspirin instead |
| 11:11.34 | DocScrutinizer | Juozapas: please check http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=65570&page=26 and http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=65232&page=83, both backwards until you find relating posts |
| 11:11.54 | Juozapas | thx |
| 11:13.08 | DocScrutinizer | haj: I'd not accept such nonsense |
| 11:13.36 | DocScrutinizer | they mustn't steal your N900 :-(( |
| 11:14.03 | haj | I'm calling them already.. |
| 11:15.26 | Juozapas | DocScrutinizer: but it looks like those topics are about connecting n900 to computer via usb cable and then taking internet from him or something like that.. i have only internet cable in my room and want to connect my n900 to the internet, i dont have any other hardware par example |
| 11:15.29 | DocScrutinizer | well, maybe if you get a new N8, just maybe you can sell on ebaeh and get enough money to buy a used N900. But then OTOH they should give back your defect N900 plus enough money so you could buy a used one or even new one wherever you find |
| 11:16.13 | DocScrutinizer | Juozapas: not at all, friend. not at all. this is about H-E-N |
| 11:16.28 | DocScrutinizer | ~hostmode |
| 11:16.29 | infobot | [hostmode] http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=65232 |
| 11:16.39 | Juozapas | k i will read it |
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| 11:19.39 | DocScrutinizer | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1020765&postcount=815 |
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| 11:21.41 | Juozapas | DocScrutinizer: :D thx |
| 11:21.55 | shark_eye | Has anyone tried building apps for maemo using opencv? |
| 11:23.34 | haj | shitheads... |
| 11:24.04 | haj | DocScrutinizer: I can get a new N900 on the web.. thing is it costs 1/3 more than a N8.. |
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| 11:24.33 | haj | and noone wants a N8 so I can't sell it.. |
| 11:24.39 | DocScrutinizer | Juozapas: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=990174&highlight=ethernet#post990174 |
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| 11:27.20 | Dibblah | A "new" N900? |
| 11:27.31 | Dibblah | I thought production stopped some significant time ago... |
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| 11:31.09 | Juozapas | one more question... is it possible to download all map of europe (or some region) to use map without internet connection? now im travelling a bit and when i go to new city (that i never tried to look on map program) it shows me only green background because program can't download streets information.. i hope you understand what i'm talking about |
| 11:31.38 | cloudyLights | you can do it with a windows pc |
| 11:31.42 | Juozapas | im using default ovi maps |
| 11:32.18 | Juozapas | f*ck.. i have only ubuntu netbook with me and i left my usb cable at home too |
| 11:35.51 | haj | stupid fucking assholes.. |
| 11:36.03 | ruskie | there is some howto for the ovi stuff iirc |
| 11:36.03 | Appiah | O_o? |
| 11:36.12 | ruskie | how to get all the maps for offline use |
| 11:36.19 | andre__ | haj: got problems? |
| 11:36.27 | Appiah | ovi maps? dont think there is a offline feature |
| 11:37.04 | edheldil | Juozapas: http://www.maemopeople.org/index.php/jaffa/2009/10/13/downloading_ovi_maps_without_a_network_c |
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| 11:37.29 | andre__ | ruskie, see the links in https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9542 |
| 11:37.31 | povbot | 04Bug 9542: Pre-download maps without MSWindows machine + Maps downloader |
| 11:37.45 | haj | andre__: Yes. |
| 11:37.49 | haj | andre__: If you didn't see it: |
| 11:37.50 | haj | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:37.50 | haj | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:37.50 | haj | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:37.52 | haj | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:37.55 | haj | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:37.57 | haj | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:38.01 | Appiah | hhaha |
| 11:38.05 | Appiah | where did you buy it? |
| 11:38.06 | andre__ | haj: uh. didn't see. thanks :-/ |
| 11:38.39 | ruskie | haj, hmm I think I'd go to court for that |
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| 11:39.36 | haj | I think I would too.. |
| 11:39.36 | ruskie | you can't replace a device with an inferior product |
| 11:39.59 | haj | The least they could do is promise me a N950 when it's released.. or something.. |
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| 11:40.30 | haj | I can't use a N8 for anything.. it's not even heavy enough for a decent paperweight.. |
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| 11:41.47 | kerio | so tell them to give you a n900 or to stfu |
| 11:42.19 | ruskie | usually they repair centers atleast around here tend to try and go the path of least resistance |
| 11:42.28 | ruskie | but as soon you slam them they'll comply |
| 11:45.19 | psycho_oreos | some bloke the other day had his N900 swapped for n8 |
| 11:45.50 | psycho_oreos | came into maemo channel posting link to his home made n8 usb hostmode or something |
| 11:46.16 | RST38h | Does'nt N8 have host mode by default? |
| 11:46.35 | psycho_oreos | *shrugs* its symbian.. enough said :) |
| 11:47.55 | MohammadAG | OTG |
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| 11:50.58 | kerio | doensn't the N8 have otg? |
| 11:51.07 | kerio | ty MohammadAG |
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| 11:52.05 | haj | Who cares what the N8 has... it's inferior..as ruskie said.. |
| 11:52.23 | MohammadAG | <ruskie> haj, hmm I think I'd go to court for that ++ |
| 11:52.37 | psycho_oreos | that's what I said before to that bloke, I'd sue them |
| 11:52.54 | psycho_oreos | err not haj, another person |
| 11:52.58 | MohammadAG | either fix my N900 or send it back and I'll fix it myself |
| 11:53.27 | MohammadAG | taking my N900 and sending me an N8 without permission is basically stealing my device |
| 11:53.35 | psycho_oreos | send it back without any extra charges or damages |
| 11:53.54 | MohammadAG | exactly |
| 11:54.03 | MohammadAG | I wonder why Nokia dropped the N900's support |
| 11:54.17 | MohammadAG | the way they "treated" it is worse than all other device |
| 11:54.17 | MohammadAG | s |
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| 11:54.56 | nid0 | legally, you'd need a very friendly judge to get anywhere via court though |
| 11:55.08 | psycho_oreos | and owners have to cop the blunt end of it ironically.. even though it costs money to purchase the device in the first place |
| 11:55.40 | ruskie | nid0, it might be enough to simply get a lawyer to nicely phrase something |
| 11:56.03 | ruskie | no need to actually go to court in the end... they probably don't want the mess anyway |
| 11:56.10 | psycho_oreos | I'm sure properly phrased terms could easily rule out a win |
| 11:56.19 | psycho_oreos | err loss |
| 11:56.22 | ruskie | hell they might even return it if politely asked |
| 11:56.41 | psycho_oreos | symbian isn't maemo, nor is it vice-versa. Period |
| 11:56.59 | psycho_oreos | Its like swapping a Merc for Toyota |
| 11:56.59 | nid0 | they might, but at the end of the day you will still end up with a broken n900 and no fix or replacement |
| 11:57.25 | ruskie | nid0, we aren't talking about getting it fixed or replaced... just that they swapped it out without any consulting really |
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| 11:57.41 | ruskie | nobody said... sure I'll take the N8 as a replacement for the N900 |
| 11:57.47 | nid0 | yeah, exactly as the warranty terms agreed-to by sending the device to them undoubtedly say they will |
| 11:58.06 | ruskie | well they can swap it out for an equal or better device |
| 11:58.08 | ruskie | usually |
| 11:58.09 | nid0 | if a device is unfixable, theyll replace it with a new one if available, or a pre-approved alternative if not |
| 11:58.28 | ruskie | well if it's not the same device I want a call and be consulted |
| 11:58.31 | psycho_oreos | depending on the owner's connections (via people), they can either get it fixed by someone else or they'll have to tackle it themselves. Either way, I would never want a n8 as a `swap device', even if it was given to me for free I wouldn't even want it |
| 11:59.21 | nid0 | personally, I wouldnt see the problem in selling the brand shiny new n8, buying myself another n900, and pocketing the difference |
| 11:59.26 | nid0 | win-win for me |
| 11:59.30 | RST38h | Mohammad: To be fair, N900 is not the only handset Nokia has been unwilling to support |
| 11:59.52 | ruskie | nid0, is the N8 pricier than a N900 ? |
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| 11:59.56 | nid0 | yes |
| 11:59.57 | nid0 | much |
| 12:00.03 | ruskie | that would work |
| 12:00.24 | psycho_oreos | n8 is nowhere near the equivalent of n900: no hardware keyboard, possible locked boot loader, doesn't have 32GB onboard and runs some other OSãthat one wouldn't generally be happy with if they want linux |
| 12:00.29 | ruskie | frankly I'd ask them to refund me for the cost of it being broken and add a bit extra |
| 12:00.32 | nid0 | you can get n900's for like £250 now, new n8's are generally somewhere around £400 |
| 12:00.45 | ruskie | and have a spare n900 for parts |
| 12:01.32 | ruskie | and considering there is a 2 year warranty period on it I would expect they support it for 2 years |
| 12:01.41 | ruskie | not start swapping it out for alternatives after 18 months |
| 12:01.55 | psycho_oreos | alternatives for the equivalent |
| 12:02.22 | jaska | they have no equivalent |
| 12:02.27 | psycho_oreos | s/for/or/ |
| 12:03.00 | DocScrutinizer | ~botsnack |
| 12:03.00 | infobot | DocScrutinizer: thanks |
| 12:03.03 | psycho_oreos | jaska, apparently they're claiming N900's equivalent would be n8, or at least when they have to fix user's broken device |
| 12:03.25 | ruskie | haj, is this from nokia directly or some official nokia repair center? |
| 12:03.42 | DocScrutinizer | well, both start with N, and the first digit is only one apart |
| 12:03.50 | DocScrutinizer | ;-P |
| 12:03.53 | jaska | psycho: ok, hope my n900 lasts till something good comes along :) |
| 12:04.12 | ruskie | is hoping for 6 years life out of his n900 |
| 12:04.14 | psycho_oreos | or you can also look at n95, starts with N, and is missing one digit :p |
| 12:04.16 | DocScrutinizer | honestly considers getting a third device |
| 12:04.25 | psycho_oreos | jaska, only time will tell :/ |
| 12:04.29 | ruskie | I still haven't gotten a second one |
| 12:04.35 | ruskie | I really should |
| 12:04.39 | MohammadAG | <RST38h> Mohammad: To be fair, N900 is not the only handset Nokia has been unwilling to support |
| 12:04.45 | MohammadAG | yeah I can see that, but why? |
| 12:04.51 | psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer, got two already? nice, that makes the third actual person that I know whom owns more than one N900 |
| 12:04.58 | DocScrutinizer | was it this chan where I told about the 2 N900 I've seen in a shop, used |
| 12:05.14 | DocScrutinizer | last night I passed by same shop, bot were gone |
| 12:05.21 | MohammadAG | psycho_oreos, plainly put, the N8 is boring after 2 days |
| 12:05.21 | psycho_oreos | :o |
| 12:05.31 | MohammadAG | also the low screen res actually makes a difference |
| 12:05.33 | ruskie | hmm ~200eur for the cheapest n900 second hame new in box |
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| 12:06.07 | ruskie | hmm interesting... someone is interested in exchanging a galaxy s for a n900 on an e72 |
| 12:06.24 | ruskie | s/on/or/ |
| 12:06.25 | psycho_oreos | MohammadAG, n8, better yet its a dead end for any maemo tinkerer :) |
| 12:06.43 | RST38h | Mohammad: They are a hardware company |
| 12:06.59 | MohammadAG | Nokia? Nope, they weren't |
| 12:07.02 | RST38h | Mohammad: They want you to buy phones as often as possible, thus planned obsolenscence |
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| 12:07.28 | MohammadAG | RST38h, the Nokia 5800 still gets updates every now and then |
| 12:07.28 | RST38h | Mohammad: Besides, stuff like N76 was just so badly design, in such a rush, that they would have to recall all 100% of these |
| 12:07.49 | RST38h | Mohammad: Because Nokia is still selling a shitload of 5800-derived models, the total number is about 8 |
| 12:07.56 | psycho_oreos | or that 1100 incident? |
| 12:08.07 | RST38h | Mohammad: 5800 is far from dead. It is their low cost smartphone |
| 12:08.24 | ruskie | hmm I wonder if I have any spare 250 eur burning in my pocket next month... |
| 12:08.54 | psycho_oreos | ruskie, still planning to get new one? |
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| 12:08.57 | ruskie | yup |
| 12:09.37 | psycho_oreos | *nods* probably better that way, I got myself a second hand one (which seller insisted brand new).. was pissed but oh well |
| 12:09.49 | ruskie | well second hand new in box |
| 12:09.59 | ruskie | stuff that people got with their cell phone contracts |
| 12:10.04 | ruskie | and are now selling |
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| 12:10.33 | ruskie | I will have to ask to see how much a new one costs though |
| 12:10.35 | FIQ|n900 | Seriously |
| 12:10.40 | ruskie | ? |
| 12:11.13 | FIQ|n900 | I've never liked these "PC suite" stuff for any of my previous phones. or this one |
| 12:11.20 | ruskie | hahaha |
| 12:11.21 | psycho_oreos | be aware or those weird stuff they put in, like for instance a non-genuine USB->uUSB cable (mine lasted me two or so days before it fails to even work properly) and that wired headset with extra buttons |
| 12:11.25 | ruskie | I never used pc/ovi suite |
| 12:11.36 | jaska | wc suite |
| 12:11.41 | psycho_oreos | wc? |
| 12:11.42 | haj | ruskie: Nokia's main repairshop... |
| 12:11.48 | psycho_oreos | watercloset? |
| 12:11.50 | FIQ|n900 | For some reason - and this count for EVERY SINGLE PHONE OR CARRIER - Internet part of it NEVER works properly |
| 12:11.52 | jaska | psycho: yeah |
| 12:11.56 | haj | ruskie: Guess they only have one in Europe |
| 12:11.56 | psycho_oreos | jaska, lol |
| 12:11.57 | ruskie | psycho_oreos, naahh this are official in box everything as bought crap... |
| 12:11.58 | FIQ|n900 | If it works, I'm lucky |
| 12:12.06 | FIQ|n900 | But usually I'm not |
| 12:12.14 | psycho_oreos | ruskie, *nods* |
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| 12:12.19 | ruskie | haj, hmm well try contacting them to get your original device back |
| 12:12.41 | FIQ|n900 | It just states "something's wrong, maybe your phone is damaged? :(" |
| 12:12.50 | FIQ|n900 | It NEVER states anything useful |
| 12:12.54 | haj | ruskie: it's broken |
| 12:12.56 | FIQ|n900 | like exactly why it fails |
| 12:13.01 | FIQ|n900 | or where |
| 12:13.24 | ruskie | haj, or contact your local consumer protection agency... they might be able to advise you if you can do anything |
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| 12:13.37 | psycho_oreos | they dumbed it down for the average joe. Gives them the excuse to have joe getting it fixed |
| 12:13.40 | ruskie | either legaly or even talk with them |
| 12:13.45 | FIQ|n900 | And reconfiguring the thing never help - if it works, it works, if not, too bad |
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| 12:13.56 | ruskie | haj, you could always get it repaired somewhere else |
| 12:13.58 | haj | okay.. they have told me that I have to contact the dealer that sold the device... |
| 12:14.01 | RST38h | finally conquered Android's NativeActivity |
| 12:14.08 | RST38h | Can now pass arguments to it! |
| 12:14.38 | RST38h | Any poor souls with 2.3 Androids willing to be my guinea pigs? |
| 12:14.42 | MohammadAG | qmltube runs so well on a PC |
| 12:14.58 | haj | they actually still have N900 in stock.. N8 costs DKR 2.695,-, and N900 costs 3.249,- .. |
| 12:15.01 | ruskie | haj, probably to see if the dealer can replace it under warranty(I'm assuming it's still under warranty)... |
| 12:15.10 | haj | it is... |
| 12:15.20 | FIQ|n900 | haj, they discovered that N900 was useful :) |
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| 12:15.31 | haj | I don't know if the warranty is reset when they give me a N8 ? |
| 12:15.36 | FIQ|n900 | anyway, is there alternatives to this crappy nokia PC suite? |
| 12:15.43 | ruskie | haj, it should be... for the N8 |
| 12:15.47 | RST38h | Alternatives for doing what? |
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| 12:15.50 | ruskie | FIQ|n900, what are you trying to actually do? |
| 12:16.03 | ruskie | haj, since it's a new device the warranty should start from then |
| 12:16.05 | FIQ|n900 | use N900 as a modem |
| 12:16.15 | psycho_oreos | FIQ|n900, under windows? |
| 12:16.16 | FIQ|n900 | because i'm not home atm, etc |
| 12:16.17 | ruskie | usb networking under windows... |
| 12:16.18 | haj | ruskie: The N900 (that is proberbly scrap by now) is still under warranty until 12/2011 |
| 12:16.26 | FIQ|n900 | currently, yes |
| 12:16.28 | nid0 | you can just set it up manually, using bluetooth at least |
| 12:16.39 | ruskie | there is a usb network driver for windows as well |
| 12:16.42 | nid0 | i've never gotten usb tethering to work properly though |
| 12:17.04 | ruskie | haj, irrelevant for the N900... the warranty is based on the new device... and usually needs to be reissued if the device is replaced |
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| 12:17.14 | FIQ|n900 | ruskie, but it worked just for some weeks ago, it's just... pc suite says i fail D: |
| 12:17.28 | ruskie | pc suite has always been a broken PoS |
| 12:17.30 | nid0 | yeah pc suite is like that |
| 12:18.40 | FIQ|n900 | well, I'm unable to connect to internet at all with the computers... so drivers, I would have to download manually and transfer over :p |
| 12:18.48 | FIQ|n900 | the computer* |
| 12:18.57 | ruskie | FIQ|n900, got linux sources anywhere around? |
| 12:19.01 | ruskie | the driver is included |
| 12:19.13 | FIQ|n900 | i have linux as well |
| 12:19.22 | ruskie | specifically linux kernel sources |
| 12:19.24 | FIQ|n900 | if that would work better |
| 12:19.31 | FIQ|n900 | hmm |
| 12:19.34 | ruskie | linux usb networking should work fine |
| 12:19.40 | DocScrutinizer | tbh I don't understand why Nokia doesn't run another batch of N900. Manuf is cheap, once you got all set up correctly, and I guess they could get all the parts still |
| 12:19.43 | ruskie | load tho modules |
| 12:20.10 | ruskie | setup forwarding on the n900(you'll probably need to do some NATing so iptables) |
| 12:20.14 | FIQ|n900 | takes a look |
| 12:20.27 | ruskie | there is a wiki page for this as well iirc |
| 12:20.33 | psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer, they probably lost interest.. kinda like a hyperactive kid who gets bored real quickly ;) |
| 12:20.48 | DocScrutinizer | seems like |
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| 12:21.40 | DocScrutinizer | sure N900 isn't a cashcow for them, but it'd help keep them in business for at least a while |
| 12:21.46 | ruskie | or some symbian product manager sent out a memo to mess up the maemo team... |
| 12:22.23 | MohammadAG | if only they pushed maemo and killed Symbian |
| 12:22.27 | ruskie | yup |
| 12:22.29 | DocScrutinizer | you typically don't need a team to run a sequel batch |
| 12:22.58 | psycho_oreos | however this is nokia we're talking about :) and they're trying to cut costs whereever they see fit |
| 12:23.30 | FIQ|n900 | if only they didn't throw MeeGo out randomly after spending huge amount of money on it |
| 12:23.40 | psycho_oreos | ditched maemo, killed symbian, watches meego and promises to release wp7... good one nokia |
| 12:23.48 | FIQ|n900 | (sure meego still something for them, but not much) |
| 12:23.49 | MohammadAG | they didn't throw it out |
| 12:24.05 | psycho_oreos | they're not officially supporting it however it seems |
| 12:24.05 | ruskie | they relegated it to long term R&D so basically same thing maemo was |
| 12:24.15 | MohammadAG | they should just FOSS'd maemo and continued on that |
| 12:24.17 | cloudyLights | MohammadAG: are you also in tel aviv this weekend? |
| 12:24.19 | MohammadAG | no need for MeeGo |
| 12:24.27 | haj | ruskie: They could replace it with a android device.. that would be less annoying... Even though I like maemo.. |
| 12:24.27 | ruskie | they don't have those |
| 12:24.29 | haj | ruskie: but since Nokia doesnt do android ;) |
| 12:24.30 | MohammadAG | cloudyLights, nope, Jerusalem |
| 12:24.45 | ruskie | seriously though... nokia should have difersified more... |
| 12:24.51 | ruskie | even take on android devices |
| 12:25.10 | RST38h | ruskie: you should say that to the board once you become Nokia's CEO |
| 12:25.15 | ruskie | hehe |
| 12:25.57 | ruskie | it's simple logic... do I want the punter going to HTC/Samsung/etc... for the device with this OS which the punter wants OR do I want the punter to buy MY hardware with that OS... |
| 12:26.36 | RST38h | ruskie: You should tell that to the Marketing department once you become Nokia's CEO |
| 12:26.47 | RST38h | BTW, 99% of customers do not know what "OS" means |
| 12:27.03 | ruskie | yet 99% of customers buy that shiny 'droid thing |
| 12:27.06 | psycho_oreos | its either be the black sheep or follow the herd. Elop chose to follow the herd even though that makes him in an unfavourable position just to satisfy his closest peers.ãHad he chose to be the black sheep amongst the herd he might have found the winner in the bigger picture |
| 12:27.21 | RST38h | Because there are more models to select from and because it works for them |
| 12:27.30 | RST38h | They probably do not know what it runs, or want to know |
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| 12:27.33 | Khertan_ | RST38h: no they didn't know what os mean, but they know what is an iPhone and a Android Phone |
| 12:27.47 | RST38h | Khertan: true, too |
| 12:28.05 | psycho_oreos | you can't not know iPhone lol |
| 12:28.09 | RST38h | Elop has chosen the third option and become the black goat. |
| 12:28.22 | Khertan_ | RST38h: it wasn't an option |
| 12:28.51 | Khertan_ | RST38h: he is trying to create the third option ... probably some cashback somewhere |
| 12:28.56 | psycho_oreos | if he chose the third option, he'd probably be facing a possible sack by the board of directors |
| 12:29.21 | RST38h | Khertan: Ok, so he has made Nokia a *sacrificial* black goat. |
| 12:29.30 | cloudyLights | MohammadAG: do you need a 2400mAh battary for your N900? |
| 12:29.41 | psycho_oreos | so far there's no news indicating there's a bounty on Elop's head from board of directors :) |
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| 12:29.44 | Khertan_ | did there us also ex ms people at the board ? |
| 12:29.45 | cloudyLights | I ordered two by mistake |
| 12:29.48 | MohammadAG | Mugen? nah, I have 4 1320 ones :p |
| 12:29.55 | RST38h | Khertan: At the end of the year, they will slash its throat, let it bleed, collect the booty and leave |
| 12:29.57 | MohammadAG | oh, how much? |
| 12:29.59 | Khertan_ | s/us/is |
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| 12:30.56 | Khertan_ | the only thing we can hope is a failure of WinPhone |
| 12:31.03 | Khertan_ | and few sell |
| 12:31.05 | cloudyLights | a freind of a freind bricked his N900 while trying to put android on it |
| 12:31.17 | psycho_oreos | RST38h, and nokia's board of directors would have stupidly agreed to sacrifice the brand itself? |
| 12:31.36 | cloudyLights | did anyone here use jtag to revive an N900? |
| 12:31.37 | ruskie | psycho_oreos, for enough money I think most would |
| 12:31.46 | cloudyLights | this may be a chance to buy it for less |
| 12:32.03 | cloudyLights | how to un-brick a N900? |
| 12:32.04 | RST38h | psycho: Dunno, depends on who elects them there |
| 12:32.18 | Khertan_ | cloudyLights: ^^Topic |
| 12:32.25 | cloudyLights | ~topic |
| 12:32.27 | psycho_oreos | ruskie, true, money buys them almost anything these days.. even power :| |
| 12:32.41 | RST38h | Eldar Murtazin, in the meantime, has switched to loud denials of any quality problems with Samsung SGS2 phones |
| 12:32.58 | RST38h | I wonder why such an abrupt change of direction =) |
| 12:33.19 | psycho_oreos | RST38h, I don't know who votes them there but if it wasn't for the money I'm sure the board of directors wouldn't have been that boring to axe the long established brand name *shrugs* |
| 12:33.35 | ruskie | I thought the board is voted in by stockholders? |
| 12:34.02 | cloudyLights | o ok |
| 12:34.06 | cloudyLights | sorry |
| 12:34.22 | Khertan_ | psycho_oreos: except with some cash |
| 12:34.30 | Khertan_ | the me me me syndrom |
| 12:34.51 | psycho_oreos | khertan, portion, but yes ruskie pointed that out earlier.ãMoney just walks the walk |
| 12:34.52 | ruskie | sadly the me me me syndrom is spreading lately :( |
| 12:35.06 | haj | I wonder what they tell people that have paid for software for their N900's when they replace it with a N8? |
| 12:35.30 | psycho_oreos | unapologetically sorry? ;) |
| 12:35.33 | ruskie | haj, probably something along the line of: suck it |
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| 12:36.05 | ruskie | I always tend to go to the shop where I bought the device for warranty |
| 12:36.19 | ruskie | a lot of times they'll just replace it for a new unit and send the old one to be repaired |
| 12:36.28 | haj | ruskie: I guess so... Sygic doesn't offer replacement licenses |
| 12:36.34 | haj | for one |
| 12:36.38 | psycho_oreos | sure enough, not all maemo users are average joe who'd only use a phone as it is. Have a look at what Sony had to face for pissing its own clientele off |
| 12:36.41 | Khertan_ | http://www.nokia.com/about-nokia/corporate-governance/board-of-directors <<< doesn't seem uptodate |
| 12:36.56 | ruskie | psycho_oreos, frankly Sony hasn't really pissed me off |
| 12:37.11 | ruskie | but I'm probably in the minority |
| 12:37.36 | Khertan_ | ruskie: you are |
| 12:37.48 | Khertan_ | boycott sony products |
| 12:38.07 | psycho_oreos | ruskie, in general Sony's PS3 lines were the ones that pissed that niche linux community off :). Those are the ones I'm talking about. They are essentially the worker bees that Sony decided to axe their hive and think they could get away with it |
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| 12:38.21 | ruskie | ahh |
| 12:38.37 | ruskie | Khertan_, due to? |
| 12:38.50 | ruskie | is interested in such reasons |
| 12:39.01 | cloudyLights | ~seen lardman |
| 12:39.04 | infobot | lardman <~lardman@Maemo/community/contributor/lardman> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 1d 17h 21m 47s ago, saying: 'http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-13759612'. |
| 12:39.30 | Khertan_ | ruskie: products dying one month after warranty, repairing a camera take 6 month without compensation |
| 12:39.44 | e0525417 | I'm running kernel-power's "ideal". When I just do "kernel-config limits 500 900" and save as new profile, will the voltages be adjusted to the recommended values accordingly? |
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| 12:40.11 | psycho_oreos | in some cases I'd like to think that its more or less the same scenario here. There's already a small hacker community on maemo customising maemo in ways that nokia probably never thought possible. Nokia decides to behead the development, hopefully nokia will get its dosage of pissed off hackers ;) |
| 12:40.12 | ruskie | Khertan_, products dying after warranty is intentional by all manufacturers |
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| 12:40.43 | ruskie | Khertan_, the 6 month thing though most consumer laws have a max due date by which repair needs to be done or a replacement offered |
| 12:40.50 | ruskie | Khertan_, but you need to be the proactive party |
| 12:41.28 | Khertan_ | ruskie: yeah ... pro active mean engage a lawyer |
| 12:41.33 | ruskie | no |
| 12:41.40 | ruskie | it just means go bug them until they do it |
| 12:41.52 | ruskie | if they ignore you bring in the consumer protection organisation(s) |
| 12:42.06 | ruskie | if they ignore that various trade inspectors work |
| 12:42.12 | Khertan_ | ruskie: i already do that ... to contact them ... pay by minutes number |
| 12:42.27 | Khertan_ | ruskie: haha ... consumer protection organisations ? |
| 12:42.28 | ruskie | I always handle this stuff in person |
| 12:42.30 | Khertan_ | in france ? |
| 12:42.30 | Khertan_ | haha |
| 12:42.39 | Khertan_ | they help you to engage a lawyer |
| 12:42.40 | ruskie | Khertan_, you don't have that? |
| 12:42.45 | Khertan_ | but you have to finance it |
| 12:43.08 | ruskie | around here if you are a member you get free legal advice... ani they will deal with them on your behalf |
| 12:43.43 | Khertan_ | they give you free advice ... with adresses of specialized lawyer |
| 12:43.44 | Khertan_ | :) |
| 12:43.52 | ruskie | ahh so nothing like our own |
| 12:44.10 | ruskie | ours tend to annoy people even when not asked to |
| 12:44.25 | ruskie | they're actually usefull to have |
| 12:44.34 | Khertan_ | the best way to fight against problem is boycotting company you know have poor customers services and quality product |
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| 12:44.39 | ruskie | though for me usually it helps if I'm getting crap from the service to get their director and talk to him |
| 12:45.09 | ruskie | Khertan_, well I haven't had such issues with sony products yet |
| 12:45.37 | ruskie | and I have like a 12 year old sony crt tv and a near 20 years old sony mini component hi-fi |
| 12:46.06 | Khertan_ | i got a camera which died without reason, a hifi, and a home cinema sound system |
| 12:46.09 | ruskie | yes both had to be repaired but it was wear and tear not something that was deffective |
| 12:46.23 | ruskie | and I have a ps3 since a little over a year ago |
| 12:46.32 | ruskie | and bought 2 flatscreen tvs this january |
| 12:46.42 | ruskie | with 5 year warranty on those flatscreens |
| 12:46.50 | Khertan_ | my neightboor is still fighting with sony warranty for his ps3 |
| 12:47.04 | ruskie | what happened? |
| 12:47.05 | Khertan_ | since january |
| 12:47.12 | ruskie | when did he buy it? |
| 12:47.17 | Khertan_ | ruskie: died ... |
| 12:47.34 | Khertan_ | 11.99 month before |
| 12:47.45 | ruskie | sucks :( |
| 12:47.55 | ruskie | hmm that definately should be fixed under warranty |
| 12:47.56 | Khertan_ | so they claim than when they receive it wasn't under warranty |
| 12:48.06 | ruskie | did he fire off an email to them? |
| 12:48.08 | Khertan_ | even if he call them before the end |
| 12:48.15 | ruskie | something that is documented |
| 12:48.17 | Khertan_ | and got a return number |
| 12:48.20 | FIQ|n900 | i found this wikipage - http://wiki.maemo.org/USB_networking#Behind_the_scenes - but it's about Maemo 4 |
| 12:48.35 | Khertan_ | in fact the problem is more complex |
| 12:48.47 | Khertan_ | they return it one time saying it s repaired |
| 12:48.51 | Khertan_ | but didn't |
| 12:49.04 | SpeedEvil | Argh. |
| 12:49.07 | Khertan_ | and when he wan't to return it again, they say that warranty is over |
| 12:49.21 | Khertan_ | usual |
| 12:49.22 | SpeedEvil | reads backscroll, and realises he should have sent his device off for repair before now. |
| 12:49.52 | ruskie | Khertan_, sucks I guess for such things... |
| 12:50.11 | psycho_oreos | SpeedEvil, you have broken USB port? |
| 12:50.33 | SpeedEvil | psycho_oreos: I have somewhat dodgy modem that sometimes forgets it has a SIM installed |
| 12:51.12 | ruskie | Khertan_, well I tend to always do any warranty stuff in person since they are less likely to try and get around things... |
| 12:51.23 | Khertan_ | "Nokia announced on March 11, 2011 that it had paid Elop a $6 million signing bonus, âcompensation for lost income from his prior employer," on top of his $1.4 million annual salary" <<< oh ... i found the R&D budget for MeeGo Handset at Nokia |
| 12:51.24 | psycho_oreos | SpeedEvil, you're not telling me this is N900? :( My N95-1 has a very similar issue |
| 12:51.32 | SpeedEvil | psycho_oreos: yes |
| 12:52.15 | FIQ|n900 | oh, mine does that as well |
| 12:52.17 | psycho_oreos | SpeedEvil, happen to know which CPU rev is that? |
| 12:52.25 | FIQ|n900 | though it was just my sim card that had small problems |
| 12:52.45 | ruskie | though had to threaten the local irobot repair&distribution director that I'll do everything in my power to get rid of their license if they don't fix an error that irobot accepts as an issue... I probably couldn't do it but I would cause so much bad publicity that they wouldn't be able to shift ... |
| 12:52.50 | ruskie | ... much units |
| 12:52.52 | ruskie | Khertan_, fun |
| 12:52.56 | FIQ|n900 | but fiddling with it usually helps, or does i mis-understand the problem? |
| 12:52.59 | FIQ|n900 | thought* |
| 12:53.06 | FIQ|n900 | do* |
| 12:53.10 | RST38h | Khertan: Elop is actually more important to the corporate hierarchy than a bunch of weird geeks working on an obscure research project for years |
| 12:53.27 | RST38h | Khertan: Elop brings change! |
| 12:53.53 | RST38h | While geeks only bring negativity with their petty technical squabbles |
| 12:53.59 | Khertan_ | RST38h: :) |
| 12:54.04 | ruskie | hehe |
| 12:54.04 | RST38h | trolls on |
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| 12:54.06 | SpeedEvil | psycho_oreos: 2101 |
| 12:54.09 | ruskie | geeks make the world go round |
| 12:54.38 | Khertan_ | RST38h: hum ... be carreful the server you are using for chatting is made by geeks |
| 12:54.50 | psycho_oreos | FIQ|n900, if I'm not mistaken, it sounds like there's a fault with SIM area :( My N95-1 had that problem, often more than not it randomly says "Insert SIM car" and you can't do anything else apart from pulling battery out, reinserting SIM, replace battery and turn it back on again. |
| 12:54.59 | ruskie | or as someone commented... geeks are meant to get the general public interested in various gadgets so they sell |
| 12:55.06 | SpeedEvil | psycho_oreos: exact same fault. |
| 12:55.07 | RST38h | Khertan: I am bringing them enlightenment! |
| 12:55.22 | Khertan_ | psycho_oreos: most time i got this problem with device it s a defect sim card. |
| 12:55.22 | SpeedEvil | psycho_oreos: I need to reboot. |
| 12:55.24 | psycho_oreos | SpeedEvil, hmm.. I think that's also the same rev as ones that reported uUSB socket falling out |
| 12:56.20 | psycho_oreos | Khertan_, but then what if it was working fine before without any hitches before all of the sudden you get prompts like that? |
| 12:56.51 | psycho_oreos | SpeedEvil, yeah that'd also work but not always for me in the case of N95-1.. I haven't had the same issue with my N900s |
| 12:56.57 | Khertan_ | have problably one of the first revision of n900 ... i got some error too like that. I think my n900 was the problem, and since i change the sim card i didn't get them anymore |
| 12:57.32 | SpeedEvil | Khertan: I've changed SIMs, and it still happens |
| 12:57.51 | Khertan_ | :( |
| 12:58.00 | psycho_oreos | I can't replicate the problem as the SIM card that I got was a prepaid and it was expired not long ago |
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| 13:00.20 | Khertan_ | e0525417: http://bit.ly/m5zMeu |
| 13:00.45 | psycho_oreos | hmm that reminds me... about first revision of N900. Yesterday I was playing with 0xFFFF extracting FIASCOãimages, whenãI targeted N900's FIASCO image, it writes out the filename along with all the possible revision numbers that came with N900 for files like secondary and xloader |
| 13:01.39 | Khertan_ | there is so much revision ? |
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| 13:02.34 | psycho_oreos | khertan, http://pastebin.com/NwzFHq15 |
| 13:03.17 | psycho_oreos | or maybe a group I suppose |
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| 13:05.39 | Khertan_ | 2nd-RX-51 ? |
| 13:05.51 | Khertan_ | there is a first ? |
| 13:05.51 | Khertan_ | :) |
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| 13:06.04 | Khertan_ | psycho_oreos: 2101 |
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| 13:09.20 | Khertan_ | psycho_oreos: didn't know there is different keyboard texture |
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| 13:09.28 | psycho_oreos | Khertan_, I don't know if that's actually the first or are these sub-versions refer to something else completely different. My N900 are rev: 2204 and I can't find that number on pastebin |
| 13:09.39 | FIQ | Tried another thing first, and it worked |
| 13:09.52 | psycho_oreos | different keyboard texture? *shrugs* this is global PR1.3 firmware btw |
| 13:09.57 | FIQ | (tried to use mobile hotspot -- allthough it loves the battery, it works) |
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| 13:10.30 | psycho_oreos | so your N900 needs to be sucking off your computer's power throughãUSBãport ;) |
| 13:10.38 | psycho_oreos | that and its insecure (uses WEP) |
| 13:10.58 | Khertan_ | psycho_oreos: rev 2204 ? cat /proc/component_version ? |
| 13:11.23 | psycho_oreos | Khertan_, haven't tried /proc/component_version, I did /proc/cpuinfo however |
| 13:11.56 | psycho_oreos | yeah hw-build is the same as /proc/cpuinfo's revision.. 2204 |
| 13:11.57 | Khertan_ | indeed cpuinfo give me the same rev number |
| 13:12.47 | FIQ | (15:09:13) (psycho_oreos) so your N900 needs to be sucking off your computer's power throughãUSBãport ;) |
| 13:12.52 | FIQ | nah, I use wall charger :P |
| 13:12.53 | psycho_oreos | hehe we're on the same page :)ãbut I wonder what's those numbers are for.. Iãcan't find 2204 in that or in the information 0xFFFF dumped so it must be basing off something else |
| 13:13.06 | psycho_oreos | FIQ, much better :) |
| 13:14.17 | Khertan_ | psycho_oreos: i found this number in the image : http://pastebin.com/UBG0h26p |
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| 13:14.58 | Khertan_ | 2204 seems to be a german variant |
| 13:15.19 | psycho_oreos | Khertan_, different fiasco? |
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| 13:15.48 | GNUtoo | I want to do some ts_test |
| 13:19.35 | Khertan_ | psycho_oreos: don't think |
| 13:21.12 | psycho_oreos | Khertan_, just wondering where you got that from though :) |
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| 13:26.01 | Khertan_ | psycho_oreos: i got that from my flasher log |
| 13:30.43 | psycho_oreos | khertan, :o ... same file right? global fiasco firmware |
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| 15:41.36 | waters | Hello guys ... I have a problem with my N900, while browsing the web using my TP-Link TD-W8920G Router the N900 seems to crash the whole network |
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| 15:43.59 | MoonTiger | hey guys |
| 15:44.14 | MoonTiger | would you say its better to use c or c++ for developing stuff on maemo? |
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| 15:57.11 | jacekowski | waters: i had same shit on iphone with similiar router |
| 16:00.07 | waters | jacekowski: okay ...did u get a new router or did u fix it? |
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| 16:07.46 | jacekowski | waters: i got rid of iphone |
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| 16:12.03 | mr_jrt | @moontiger In my ridiculously limited experience, maemo is hevily gtk-based, so you're going to be doing C-style coding regardless of the API you choose at some point. |
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| 16:14.49 | waters | jacekowski: hmm well i dont wanna get rid of my N900 :) |
| 16:22.09 | rm_work | MoonTiger / mr_jrt: well, I believe you can also use Qt now, which is C++ (in my equally limited experience) |
| 16:22.37 | MoonTiger | thnx guys ... i think i'll stick to c |
| 16:22.56 | MoonTiger | im just playting with writing a simple identica client |
| 16:23.03 | waters | does anyone else know why the n900 could cause my router to crash? |
| 16:23.17 | MoonTiger | waters ... is your laptop on the same router? |
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| 16:26.20 | waters | MoonTiger: yes |
| 16:26.38 | MoonTiger | what are you doing on the router in total? |
| 16:26.40 | waters | MoonTiger: laptop and desktop computer all on the same router |
| 16:26.45 | SpeedEvil | waters: How close is your n900 to the router? |
| 16:26.50 | MoonTiger | any torrents going? |
| 16:27.19 | waters | MoonTiger: well let's say about 10 meters and no torrents going on |
| 16:27.39 | MoonTiger | what do you do on the n900 that causes the issue? |
| 16:27.52 | MoonTiger | and keep it decent pls! |
| 16:28.33 | waters | MoonTiger: well usually just downloading a app from the app manager or browsing the web which both then causes the router to crash |
| 16:28.46 | MoonTiger | what router is it? |
| 16:29.00 | SpeedEvil | waters: Ok - my thought was that the phone part is disturbing the router - but not at that distance |
| 16:29.28 | waters | TP-Link TD-W8920G |
| 16:29.41 | MoonTiger | are you sure there is no ip clashes? |
| 16:30.30 | waters | I have manually entered the IP for both my Laptop and Desktop computer |
| 16:30.43 | MoonTiger | and they are outside of the dhcp pool? |
| 16:31.25 | waters | MoonTiger: brb |
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| 18:10.25 | hillbicks | hey everyone |
| 18:10.40 | SpeedEvil | yeu |
| 18:10.57 | hillbicks | anyone knows if sygic is no longer selling mobile maps for the n900? |
| 18:11.44 | SpeedEvil | Have you looked on their site? |
| 18:11.46 | hillbicks | i just get 404's with the old links and can't find anything on their page |
| 18:11.56 | SpeedEvil | well - that would tend to indicate... |
| 18:12.31 | hillbicks | i know, right? but i thought _maybe_ someone in here has some insight |
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| 18:19.31 | mrsellout | hillbicks: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=996885&postcount=43 |
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| 18:23.06 | hillbicks | mrsellout: thanks for the bad news. ;) |
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| 18:25.22 | BluesLee | hi, what to do if the emmc partition for MyDocs gets a read-only filesystem? why this happens? |
| 18:26.47 | BluesLee | the file /etc/fstab contains a "rodir" entry, can i remove that? |
| 18:27.22 | BluesLee | no |
| 18:31.18 | BluesLee | the file looks the same as on my second n900 ... reboot did not help |
| 18:33.51 | BluesLee | 2nd reboot did it |
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| 19:21.03 | ioan | anyone interested in a cheap N900? I wonder if I should buy it :-) http://portland.craigslist.org/clk/mob/2443726362.html |
| 19:22.10 | jacekowski | well, if it's stuck in rebootloop then you may have a problem |
| 19:22.16 | jacekowski | because why he didn't fix it? |
| 19:22.40 | jacekowski | it's 60s with flasher |
| 19:23.19 | ioan | probably the owner doesn't know how to flash it? who knows what os version he has on it |
| 19:23.42 | jacekowski | i would be cautious |
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| 19:24.19 | ioan | never heard of the reboot loop problem that doesn't fix with a reflash... did you? |
| 19:24.49 | jacekowski | nope, but i know that there are some hardware faults that may cause it |
| 19:25.20 | ioan | maybe I should charge the person 25$ if I can fix it :-)) |
| 19:27.46 | rm_work | ioan: i had a rebootloop once that required me to send my device back to qgil |
| 19:28.53 | rm_work | lololol |
| 19:29.09 | rm_work | that brings up a good question |
| 19:29.10 | ShadowJK | I've heard of emmc breaking, rootfs breaking, bad cpu and bad ram.. |
| 19:29.19 | rm_work | who is alterego's main ego? :P |
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| 19:31.11 | ioan | rm_work: I sent an email to the seller to ask what OS version does he have, and when he reflashed last time. If he doesn't know what I'm talking about... then probably it's an easy fix |
| 19:31.35 | rm_work | heh |
| 19:31.38 | rm_work | good call |
| 19:31.51 | rm_work | though if he uses reverse psycology on you, he'll play dumb ^_^ |
| 19:32.06 | ioan | hehe |
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| 19:57.52 | NIN101 | Can anyone say something in regards to the compromised comodo SSL certificates in microb? Are they marked as "untrusted" now? Or are we doomed to trust OSCP servers on the N900? Just can't check this issue myself for a time, so if anyone cares... |
| 19:59.01 | MohammadAG | microB shows the same security exception as in firefox |
| 19:59.31 | ShadowJK | In general, no settings or software or certificates have changed since october 2010 on N900 |
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| 20:04.43 | NIN101 | :-). And also gecko vulnerabilities since this time could be possibly exploited, as nobody updates microb, right? |
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| 20:17.18 | ShadowJK | NIN101, right |
| 20:17.18 | GNUtoo | hi, I'd like to kexec a maemo kenrel, but I don't really like the overclocking of kernel-power |
| 20:17.35 | GNUtoo | does the kernel-power overclocks by default? |
| 20:17.37 | SpeedEvil | kernel-power does not do overclocking unless you set it up |
| 20:17.45 | GNUtoo | ok |
| 20:17.47 | GNUtoo | thanks a lot |
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| 20:18.33 | jacktheripper | has anyone tried compiling GTK3 on maemo ? |
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| 20:26.58 | MoonTiger | hi guys |
| 20:27.11 | MoonTiger | is there a libgrss package available? |
| 20:29.07 | NIN101 | well we could probably stem the problems if they grow bigger in the future a bit with SElinux (should be available and working, though don't like it), ACLs etc. We also could run the applications in question as seperate users (but then we should remove the "sudo gainroot" etc. stuff :-)) and then hope for the best. Also there some issues with package signing IIRC, but anyway. |
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| 20:32.06 | SpeedEvil | http://b3ta.com/board/10451686 hehe |
| 20:34.00 | RST38h | Moo all |
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| 20:39.33 | RST38h | SpeedEvil: http://www.etoday.ru/uploads/2008/02/05/cologne_rosenmontag14_nokia.jpg |
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| 20:41.29 | SpeedEvil | Awesome |
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| 21:04.21 | user__ | hi |
| 21:04.38 | user__ | reposities have stopped working for me for some reason |
| 21:05.48 | GNUtoo | btw does someone knows kexecboot: here's my issue: |
| 21:05.56 | GNUtoo | the kernel-power-42 boots fine |
| 21:06.00 | GNUtoo | with kexec |
| 21:06.07 | GNUtoo | but for the meego kenrel |
| 21:06.21 | GNUtoo | there is a huge lag between kexec -e and the start of the kernel |
| 21:06.23 | GNUtoo | like one minute |
| 21:06.40 | GNUtoo | what maemo kernel power patch should I look at |
| 21:06.41 | GNUtoo | ? |
| 21:07.32 | GNUtoo | or config options |
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| 21:12.34 | user0 | Hello. |
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| 21:18.01 | user0 | user0: did the testing today after getting the device back |
| 21:18.27 | user0 | had some old firmware on it but wasnt asking for any lockcode at boot |
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| 21:19.32 | user0 | so i got the code, it was something like 63856385, as in not the default one |
| 21:19.48 | user0 | i changed it and reflashed |
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| 21:20.10 | user0 | the device still asked for a lockcode after flashing it, this time i knew it |
| 21:20.33 | user0 | didnt ask for any lockcode after that |
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| 22:07.25 | vi__ | hi |
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| 22:07.32 | vi__ | anyone here? |
| 22:07.50 | vi__ | who knows osso-xterm? |
| 22:08.15 | vi__ | my question, if you would be so kind to answer... |
| 22:08.23 | papirius | 2001 It is discovered that US drug agentsâ communications have been penetrated. Suspicion falls on two companies, AMDOCS and Comverse Infosys, both owned by Israelis. AMDOCS generates billing data for most US phone companies and is able to provide detailed logs of who is talking to whom. Comverse Infosys builds the tapping equipment used by law enforcement to eavesdrop on all American telephone calls, but suspicion forms that Comverse, which |
| 22:09.09 | vi__ | the pointer mode of xterm, how to activate it without the toolbar? |
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| 22:17.13 | pauly | anyone interested in a n900 with broken usb and broken screen? |
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| 22:18.26 | E0x | hello |
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| 22:50.25 | mr_jrt | Ok, figured out why I wasn't getting my glib/dbus callbacks fired - I wasn't running the glib event loop. Next issue that has me stumped - how do I know when all the telepathy dbus callbacks have completed? They're fired arbitrarily by the event loop, and the completion callback fires when the call to query the properties completes - not when the callbacks have all finished. |
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| 23:11.51 | papirius | Psykosonik - PGP http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VesrsePAH8k |
| 23:15.57 | mer_ge | how do I leave fullscreen in midori? |
| 23:21.04 | maledong | lol |
| 23:21.26 | maledong | give us the next shiznit nokia |
| 23:21.47 | maledong | then maybe we'll port software |
| 23:21.52 | maledong | but fuck |
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