| 00:01.53 | flailingmonkey | what gets used for meego development, in place of scratchbox? |
| 00:03.14 | DocScrutinizer | hey flailingmonkey - long time no post from you :-) |
| 00:03.18 | merlin1991 | so FIQ|n900 you did /scractchbox/login before trying the compile? |
| 00:03.28 | FIQ|n900 | yes |
| 00:03.35 | merlin1991 | flailingmonkey: meego sdk aka qt-creator |
| 00:03.50 | FIQ|n900 | as it would be compiled to my own system in other cases :p |
| 00:03.58 | merlin1991 | ofc :D |
| 00:04.00 | FIQ|n900 | (if i don't do something very scary) |
| 00:04.13 | DocScrutinizer | flailingmonkey: I *think* meego is using OBS which is some suse build thing. for buildserver, nfi about local build |
| 00:04.21 | merlin1991 | sb does the scary stuff for you, wich is why it's scray ;) |
| 00:04.28 | flailingmonkey | DocScrutinizer: hey, yeah :) school took over |
| 00:04.46 | MohammadAG | sb > madde |
| 00:04.56 | FIQ|n900 | oh hai MohammadAG |
| 00:05.15 | MohammadAG | hai |
| 00:05.25 | FIQ|n900 | <FIQ> So I downloaded Maemo SDK the other day for compiling things for Maemo. I sometimes compiles things at desktop, and it usually weorks fine. Now, I tried to compile node.js for Maemo, with following error: sb_gcc_wrapper (g++): /scratchbox/compilers/cs2007q3-glibc2.5-arm7/bin/sbox-arm-none-linux-gnueabi-g++: No such file or directory |
| 00:05.34 | flailingmonkey | DocScrutinizer: oh right, OBS. I just hope its a major improvement from SB |
| 00:05.49 | MohammadAG | it's not imo |
| 00:06.16 | MohammadAG | FIQ|n900, sudo /etc/init.d/scratchbox-core start |
| 00:06.28 | FIQ|n900 | it is started |
| 00:06.37 | FIQ|n900 | i'm logged into scratchbox and all |
| 00:06.53 | MohammadAG | doesn't matter, I have to do that even if login works |
| 00:07.08 | flailingmonkey | ease of development (as in not having to spend hours to get the tools just working at all) is always a huge influencer for attracting devs. too bad it seems to be very difficult to do :p |
| 00:07.29 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: how would you tell you did? |
| 00:07.31 | MohammadAG | I installed sb when I was a noob |
| 00:07.45 | MohammadAG | I couldn't install OBS, instructions are a nightmare |
| 00:07.59 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: is there some `mount` or other cmd showing of init.d/sb-core been started? |
| 00:08.12 | FIQ|n900 | uh, wait a minute, i don't even have a scratchbox-core daemon there (or in where my architecture actually places daemons as well) |
| 00:08.30 | MohammadAG | sbctl or something |
| 00:08.43 | MohammadAG | on the N900 so not sure what it's called |
| 00:08.49 | MohammadAG | but it's on the host system |
| 00:08.58 | MohammadAG | sbox_ctrl I think |
| 00:09.00 | DocScrutinizer | it's generally better to diagnose first, rather than to suggest fixes |
| 00:09.02 | DocScrutinizer | :-) |
| 00:09.25 | FIQ|n900 | I'm using arch, in which daemons is placed in /etc/rc.d but i don't have any SB core there |
| 00:10.08 | DocScrutinizer | well, maybe that's first trail of the bugger ;-) |
| 00:10.11 | merlin1991 | FIQ|n900: only because arch normally places stuff there, are you sure sb installer didn't put it elsewhere? :D |
| 00:10.23 | DocScrutinizer | I guess SB isn't meant to get installed on arch |
| 00:10.33 | MohammadAG | not sure about arch, I used debs |
| 00:10.34 | DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: indeed |
| 00:10.47 | merlin1991 | afaik SB is for "debian based systems" |
| 00:10.50 | FIQ|n900 | there is SB for arch in repositories |
| 00:11.09 | DocScrutinizer | nfc |
| 00:11.18 | DocScrutinizer | I'm the noob here :-P |
| 00:11.38 | FIQ|n900 | but I just used the shellscript to make sure it installed something that worked... but it didn't, i guess |
| 00:11.38 | merlin1991 | FIQ|n900: |
| 00:11.46 | merlin1991 | sudo /scratchbox/sbin/sbox_ctl start |
| 00:12.03 | merlin1991 | according to http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Final_SDK_Installation#Starting_Scratchbox_on_non-Debian_based_systems |
| 00:12.26 | Hurrian | arch? /etc/rc.d/ |
| 00:12.33 | FIQ|n900 | that worked |
| 00:12.48 | FIQ|n900 | Hurrian, yeah, i looked there, no scratchbox_ctrl |
| 00:13.01 | FIQ|n900 | but merlin1991s thing worked |
| 00:13.15 | DocScrutinizer | less /scratchbox/sbin/sbox_ctl for LULZ |
| 00:13.28 | merlin1991 | would like to, but can't |
| 00:13.48 | merlin1991 | stupid us based supplier for the new motherboard |
| 00:14.30 | DocScrutinizer | I suggested `mount` for a reason |
| 00:15.01 | FIQ|n900 | hm, nope, still failing |
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| 00:15.07 | DocScrutinizer | if sb_ctl start been executed, there should be quite a number of unique bindmounts |
| 00:17.41 | DocScrutinizer | FIQ|n900: do you see those SB bindmounts in your `mount` output - on *host* PC, not in SB terminal |
| 00:18.14 | FIQ|n900 | nope, it didn't seem to change anything |
| 00:18.23 | DocScrutinizer | :nod: |
| 00:19.56 | DocScrutinizer | scratchbox/sbin/sbox_ctl should do those bindmounts - of course you need to run it outside of SB, and prior to login |
| 00:20.56 | DocScrutinizer | the bindmounts can't work from inside SB, they probably also will fail when not run as root |
| 00:21.43 | DocScrutinizer | that's why <merlin1991> sudo /scratchbox/sbin/sbox_ctl start |
| 00:21.58 | FIQ|n900 | that's what i did, outside scratchbox |
| 00:22.15 | merlin1991 | face it, sb for maemo isn't meant for arch :D |
| 00:22.29 | DocScrutinizer | and no new mounted "volumes" when you issue a `mount` right after that? |
| 00:23.00 | DocScrutinizer | no errors thrown? |
| 00:23.14 | DocScrutinizer | just nuttin sounds a bit odd |
| 00:24.22 | FIQ|n900 | hm |
| 00:24.28 | DocScrutinizer | hehe |
| 00:24.35 | FIQ|n900 | there are new mountpoints there |
| 00:24.40 | DocScrutinizer | aaaah |
| 00:24.55 | FIQ|n900 | (i runned df -h before and it didn't show anything more than the usual) |
| 00:25.18 | DocScrutinizer | df isn't supposed to show bindmounts? |
| 00:25.27 | FIQ|n900 | dunno |
| 00:25.32 | merlin1991 | yes |
| 00:25.34 | FIQ|n900 | But well, they're mounted |
| 00:25.35 | DocScrutinizer | that'S why I suggested `mount` |
| 00:25.40 | merlin1991 | df show free disk space |
| 00:25.46 | merlin1991 | bindmounts have no affect on space |
| 00:25.54 | FIQ|n900 | Indeed |
| 00:26.08 | FIQ|n900 | I'm tired (as stated before), i guess |
| 00:26.23 | FIQ|n900 | Anyway, so there are bindmounts |
| 00:26.41 | DocScrutinizer | so log in |
| 00:27.03 | merlin1991 | MohammadAG: could you pastebin something like `mount | grep scratchbox` so FIQ can compare? |
| 00:28.15 | FIQ|n900 | Still, it fails with the compile because of the same as before |
| 00:28.42 | DocScrutinizer | http://paste.debian.net/119659/ |
| 00:28.45 | merlin1991 | are you in the x86 or the fremantle target? |
| 00:28.52 | merlin1991 | also did you install the nokia binaries? |
| 00:29.27 | FIQ|n900 | http://paste.pocoo.org/show/405336 |
| 00:29.37 | FIQ|n900 | I did |
| 00:29.45 | FIQ|n900 | @ merlin1991 |
| 00:29.54 | FIQ|n900 | and, i'm in FREMANTLE_ARMEL |
| 00:30.40 | merlin1991 | is out of ideas |
| 00:31.05 | FIQ|n900 | hmm |
| 00:31.29 | FIQ|n900 | why do DocScrutinizer have 2 sets of bindmounts, one for root, one for normal user, and i just one? |
| 00:31.50 | FIQ|n900 | Pretty sure that's irrelevant, just wondering |
| 00:31.51 | DocScrutinizer | I was just wondering as well |
| 00:32.00 | DocScrutinizer | o.O |
| 00:32.20 | merlin1991 | I bet because the sb debian installer runs it as a service under root, and on logon runs the script again for the user |
| 00:32.26 | DocScrutinizer | looks like some weird bug in `mount` |
| 00:32.47 | DocScrutinizer | I didn't log in |
| 00:32.54 | DocScrutinizer | see my pastebin |
| 00:32.55 | merlin1991 | I think you did |
| 00:33.09 | merlin1991 | on logon as in log into user |
| 00:33.24 | merlin1991 | system user, not sb user |
| 00:35.18 | DocScrutinizer | http://paste.debian.net/119660/ |
| 00:36.28 | FIQ|n900 | Oh, by the way, why is an outdated version of Python provided in the SDK? |
| 00:36.33 | FIQ|n900 | python 2.3.4 |
| 00:37.34 | FIQ|n900 | hmm |
| 00:37.44 | FIQ|n900 | i wonder |
| 00:38.05 | DocScrutinizer | aaah, SB users root and jr |
| 00:38.09 | DocScrutinizer | yeah |
| 00:38.17 | DocScrutinizer | and user maybe as well |
| 00:38.22 | FIQ|n900 | maybe I should try to install the scratch provided in AUR |
| 00:38.34 | FIQ|n900 | s/scratch/scratchbox/ |
| 00:38.47 | FIQ|n900 | and reinstall maemo SDK |
| 00:38.56 | FIQ|n900 | but i'm pretty sure nothing will improve tbh |
| 00:39.06 | DocScrutinizer | FIQ|n900: I created a user in SB, called jr |
| 00:39.11 | DocScrutinizer | you don't need to |
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| 00:41.52 | DocScrutinizer | FIQ|n900: (python) I think python is the version available when maemo SB been "built" - you could update it from inside SB |
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| 00:46.39 | DocScrutinizer | FIQ|n900: I meanwhile checked that nodejs thing's page, sounds nice |
| 00:47.50 | DocScrutinizer | though I still fail to figure a real usecase for it on N900 ;-) |
| 00:52.00 | FIQ|n900 | it's not the end of the world if i don't manage to get it to compile... but as far as i see, it seems that the wrapper just doesn't work - and that it will give other things problems as well |
| 00:52.16 | FIQ|n900 | but i want it! |
| 00:54.37 | flailingmonkey | nodejs is nice for doing things through callbacks rather than threads just sitting and waiting around, "evented I/O" |
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| 01:01.16 | fusi[n901] | i freaking love my n900 |
| 01:01.56 | user0 | i need one badly |
| 01:02.11 | fusi[n901] | D: |
| 01:02.16 | user0 | first one got stolen |
| 01:02.22 | fusi[n901] | theyre really good :p |
| 01:02.25 | fusi[n901] | heh |
| 01:02.34 | user0 | indeed |
| 01:02.46 | fusi[n901] | oh nhoes |
| 01:02.56 | fusi[n901] | that sucks dood |
| 01:03.15 | fusi[n901] | bastards |
| 01:03.31 | user0 | :) |
| 01:03.35 | nox- | :( |
| 01:03.37 | fusi[n901] | gonna b hard to get onethese day |
| 01:03.54 | fusi[n901] | i only found mine thru clearance sale on theorder.co.uk |
| 01:03.56 | user0 | i've found a few used ones |
| 01:04.01 | fusi[n901] | 300 reddies tho |
| 01:04.07 | user0 | all had problems, still searching for one |
| 01:04.13 | fusi[n901] | D: |
| 01:04.20 | flailingmonkey | amazon has supply of them |
| 01:04.28 | fusi[n901] | $$$$ |
| 01:04.40 | fusi[n901] | oh u mean in us |
| 01:04.45 | user0 | at what price ? |
| 01:04.47 | fusi[n901] | where u at user0 |
| 01:04.53 | fusi[n901] | usa? |
| 01:05.35 | fusi[n901] | ah |
| 01:05.39 | fusi[n901] | mm |
| 01:06.00 | fusi[n901] | is price a factor |
| 01:06.15 | user0 | yes ofcourse |
| 01:06.28 | fusi[n901] | you could always steal one.. |
| 01:06.33 | user0 | outside the us, but shipping shouldnt cost much |
| 01:07.14 | fusi[n901] | try looking on theorder.co.uk |
| 01:07.23 | fusi[n901] | they might still have some |
| 01:07.42 | fusi[n901] | ur in the eu ye so they will prolly ship |
| 01:07.57 | fusi[n901] | i must go smoke this thing now |
| 01:08.06 | fusi[n901] | tally bai and gl o/ x |
| 01:10.17 | flailingmonkey | it was listed at $400 USD |
| 01:12.17 | DocScrutinizer | >>Some of the Nokia applications shipped with the final SDK use a hard coded path for user home directory which presents a problem since the default username on the device differs from the username on the developerâs machine.<< (from http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Final_SDK_Installation#Upgrading_from_Maemo_5_Beta2_SDK ) |
| 01:12.45 | DocScrutinizer | just wonders if this might have made some devels @ Nokia start to think about their cncept |
| 01:13.09 | DocScrutinizer | hardcoded usernames, omfg |
| 01:14.02 | DocScrutinizer | maybe we could also get hardcoded allowable serial # of device? |
| 01:14.47 | DocScrutinizer | hardcoded IMEI maybe, hardcoded kbd layout - there are lots of nice things you could hardcode |
| 01:17.13 | FIQ|n900 | hardcoded IMEI :D |
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| 01:42.57 | DocScrutinizer | hey, you made me touch that whole stuff again, just to see how hard it can get to get sth running |
| 01:43.08 | DocScrutinizer | just about to download the nokia blobs |
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| 01:49.11 | flailingmonkey | nice |
| 01:49.18 | flailingmonkey | good luck to you with that DocScrutinizer :p |
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| 01:54.30 | DocScrutinizer | hehe |
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| 01:58.53 | DocScrutinizer | wondering what to start to put this Xephyr thing to some life and purpose |
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| 02:06.57 | DocScrutinizer | meh, this took some time to set up the friggin localizations |
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| 02:13.06 | DocScrutinizer | YEEEEHAAAAAAA!!!! tracker eating my laptop CPU :-P I FEEL AT HOME X-P |
| 02:14.00 | DocScrutinizer | trackerd[12713]: GLIB CRITICAL ** Tracker - Could not open directory 'file:///home/jr/MyDocs/.camera': No such file or directory |
| 02:14.02 | DocScrutinizer | Initializing tracker-extract... |
| 02:15.15 | DocScrutinizer | damn, that's indeed amazing, running maemo in Xephyr - should've done that before ;-P |
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| 02:20.38 | DocScrutinizer | wdgt_va_24h_time X-P |
| 02:21.29 | DocScrutinizer | for that I had to go thru 20min of localization installs? :-D |
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| 02:36.07 | Hurrian | docscrutinizer, using cordia? |
| 02:36.38 | DocScrutinizer | what's cordia? |
| 02:36.57 | DocScrutinizer | duh, that hildon-on-meego thing? |
| 02:37.01 | Hurrian | yeah |
| 02:37.22 | DocScrutinizer | nah, running "maemo" in Xephyr/SB on my laptop |
| 02:38.03 | DocScrutinizer | just wondering why there's "not enough free memory to install application" xchat, in HAM |
| 02:38.24 | DocScrutinizer | I guess /opt isn't properly linked |
| 02:38.27 | Hurrian | all the localization strings were fine when i installed Maemo 5 Scratchbox Target |
| 02:38.46 | DocScrutinizer | or the x86 pkg of xchat not properly optified, or whatever |
| 02:39.11 | Hurrian | did you separate usr or home? |
| 02:39.25 | Hurrian | scratchbox is bitchy, had to redo my system for it |
| 02:39.26 | DocScrutinizer | switching system lang to Deutsch gave me all the nice wdgt_foo_bar labels everywhere |
| 02:40.22 | DocScrutinizer | I didn't separate anything yet, just an af-sb-init start or what it's called |
| 02:40.28 | DocScrutinizer | ran* |
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| 02:41.15 | DocScrutinizer | I should try to install CSSU ;-P |
| 02:41.51 | DocScrutinizer | ctl-shift-X doesn't work for xterm |
| 02:42.07 | DocScrutinizer | as Xephyr grabs ctrl-shift :-P |
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| 03:20.17 | DocScrutinizer | grrrr |
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| 03:24.01 | DocScrutinizer | impossible to "enter" on xchat in SB |
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| 03:36.06 | jr_ | hdskgjhlaggdsa |
| 03:36.28 | psycho_oreos | no |
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| 03:36.34 | jr_ | wow |
| 03:37.28 | jr_ | found out FN+carriage-return-key on laptop allows to enter a "ENTER" on SB |
| 03:37.42 | jr_ | :-P |
| 03:38.45 | jr_ | kinda weird to run maemo-xchat under maemo under qemu under SB under linux on X86 |
| 03:41.01 | jr_ | btw, as "we" wondered recently: seems F4 is the magic menu key, alas completely useless for M5 as there's no way whatsoever to move to and click a particular menu entry except for mouse/touchscreen of course again |
| 03:41.33 | jr_ | F9 closes apps |
| 03:42.00 | jr_ | maybe at least that could be kinda useful for kbd |
| 03:43.00 | DocScrutinizer | time for 12648430 â |
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| 03:45.35 | DocScrutinizer | I'd say hildon gtk is missing accelerator keys as badly as new Qt does |
| 03:47.16 | DocScrutinizer | well, I have to admit I not even tried if maybe it *has* accel keys (the _u_nderlined ones) in menus, just that they aren't shown. might still react on proper key in a menu |
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| 03:50.35 | jr_ | nah, in menu of e.g settings you're stuck when your touchpanel is broken |
| 03:50.51 | jr_ | no select, not even escape |
| 03:51.14 | jr_ | *yawn* |
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| 05:25.15 | Termana | good morning |
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| 05:35.38 | DocScrutinizer | yo Termana |
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| 05:39.56 | Shoruken | yo |
| 05:40.12 | SpeedEvil | yo |
| 05:44.08 | Shoruken | SpeedEvil: YOU WAS BORN. |
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| 05:45.20 | Shoruken | http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Speedevil |
| 05:45.28 | Shoruken | you've also a typoe "recsue" |
| 05:46.59 | SpeedEvil | No I diddn't. |
| 05:50.39 | FIQ | Huh, I was able to get it to compile manually through supplying the command that make runs to compile a C++ manually |
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| 07:29.25 | timeless | any finns awake? |
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| 07:34.46 | mece | timeless, \o |
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| 07:35.21 | timeless | mece: do you count? |
| 07:36.24 | kirma | any experience on warranty repair of broken N900 USB connector lately? |
| 07:37.23 | mece | timeless, Well, I was born in Finland, lived 32.5 of my 33 years in Finland, I work in finland, I own two buildings in finland, my two cars are registered in finland, both my parents, grand parents and great grand parents are finns, so yeah. I believe I count. |
| 07:37.52 | mece | kirma, where do you live? |
| 07:38.08 | kirma | for the first time a bartender offered me to recharge my phone directly with microUSB charger on friday. well, that was the last time too, as she attempted to blindly ram the cable in place. after that night, I haven't been able to recharge, and before that I probably had thousand flawless recharge plug/unplug cycles |
| 07:38.20 | kirma | mece: helsinki capital area |
| 07:38.36 | mece | kirma, nokia care should take care of that |
| 07:38.39 | timeless | mece: ok :) |
| 07:38.58 | mece | timeless, :) |
| 07:39.04 | kirma | I've heard at least somewhere they have been offering E7/N8 as a replacement |
| 07:39.07 | kirma | lately |
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| 07:39.38 | mece | kirma, they can just fix the N900. It took 3 hours to get mine fixed at a nok care centre here in Turku |
| 07:40.08 | kirma | mece: hmmh. sounds surprisingly good |
| 07:40.10 | cehteh | heh .. e7/n8 as replacement for the n900? |
| 07:40.14 | mece | kirma, well that was here.. |
| 07:40.30 | cehteh | boggles |
| 07:40.43 | mece | kirma, I knew which special magical place to go to :) |
| 07:40.48 | joga_ | also finn and awake |
| 07:40.55 | kirma | looking at the service manual I'd consider that they have to have much more replacement parts than just a bit of resoldering if they actually follow the procedures of the service manual |
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| 07:40.58 | mece | timeless, so what did you need a finn for? |
| 07:41.05 | timeless | i got a letter from kela |
| 07:41.09 | timeless | in finnish |
| 07:41.10 | joga | uh oh |
| 07:41.16 | timeless | with instructions to call their finnish line service |
| 07:41.22 | timeless | they didn't offer me the english phone number... |
| 07:41.27 | mece | timeless, ow.. |
| 07:41.28 | timeless | they're ... helpful.. |
| 07:41.29 | cehteh | kirma: resoldering will most often not do that .. usually it comes off with the pads |
| 07:41.36 | Hurrian | kirma, that would be the screws, and bubble matrix |
| 07:41.43 | cehteh | so they have to swap the mainboard |
| 07:41.54 | mece | cehteh, they soldered mine |
| 07:42.12 | cehteh | well sometimes soldering may work of course |
| 07:42.32 | joga | timeless: try these http://kela.fi/in/internet/english.nsf/NET/220708093611HS?OpenDocument |
| 07:42.34 | kirma | well, even soldering is fine if it works. |
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| 07:43.01 | cehteh | well if the pads are half off then resoldering wont be a permanent fix |
| 07:43.47 | kirma | the connector itself doesn't seem to be badly hit on basis of looking it from outside, but sufficiently not to recharge any more :I |
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| 07:44.16 | kirma | anyway, I bet these bars kill N900s en masse if they continue that practice |
| 07:44.25 | mece | kirma, that's exactly what I had. It looke dfine, perhaps a little wiggly, but it didn't charge |
| 07:45.00 | RST38h | http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2002854/A-Gay-Girl-Damascus-Tom-MacMaster-40-blogger-Amina-Arraf.html?ito=feeds-newsxml |
| 07:45.28 | kirma | well, I "recharged" the phone at two bars to be exact. first bruuveri, then home (didn't charge any more properly according to logs) and then gallows bird pub. both had recently started offering microusb... "treatment" |
| 07:45.58 | kirma | and both handled the phone roughly, and both have quite a bit of n900 owners visiting. better be cautious! |
| 07:47.01 | kirma | I mean, relatively popular pubs on the linux + good beer demographic here |
| 07:50.40 | flailingmonkey | seems like you need microusb male to microusb female cable :p so they can roughly handle the female end of the cable |
| 07:50.44 | flailingmonkey | but it would look very silly |
| 07:53.49 | kirma | the supplied nokia adapter cable has been this far a great protection for microusb connector damage... and only now I really learned that. |
| 07:56.29 | ruskie | why one would let other people plug an unknown charger into their phone I probably will never understand |
| 07:57.18 | kirma | I can pretty safely assume that at least the round-plug chargers around here are original nokia chargers |
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| 07:57.30 | kirma | worst that can happen is awfully slow charge rate |
| 07:58.35 | ruskie | also do people really need to keep recharging their devices so often??? |
| 07:58.59 | kirma | because n900 eats plenty of battery, especially when it's used a lot all the time? :I |
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| 07:59.46 | ruskie | I guess I just don't get the use it all the time thing... |
| 07:59.50 | ruskie | I hardly touch it |
| 08:00.41 | kirma | beer on one hand, n900 on another, irc+ssh/browser/chat/calling going on for hours, tends to eat battery |
| 08:01.26 | ruskie | I don't get it... I thought the whole point of going to a pub was to socialise in real life... not chat around/call people... |
| 08:01.52 | kirma | doesn't really prevent socializing with folks on the table at the same time |
| 08:03.06 | kirma | rather, "friends seem to be on bar X, maybe we should head there" or "had to check how this factoid of a beer rant actually is, looked up wikipedia" |
| 08:03.23 | ruskie | hehe |
| 08:05.07 | mece | kirma no shit. Also one has to read things on intertubes to keep fresh topics coming :D |
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| 08:09.53 | kirma | mece: yep, one has to know hourly status of which parties are trying to form the government now ;) |
| 08:11.47 | flailingmonkey | g'night |
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| 08:12.53 | Hurrian | oh, people still burn through the n900's battery? |
| 08:13.10 | Hurrian | under heavy load, i get it to use 1.2%/minute |
| 08:14.13 | timeless | > Olet voinut saada postitse myös kirjeen, joka ei valitettavasti näy asiointipalvelussa. |
| 08:14.18 | timeless | gr |
| 08:14.23 | cehteh | Hurrian: yes thats possible |
| 08:14.50 | Hurrian | and on some days, i expect the thing to burst into flames |
| 08:15.05 | Hurrian | it just gets really really hot around the antennas |
| 08:15.08 | timeless | so. um |
| 08:15.15 | timeless | curses kela for being *insane* |
| 08:15.31 | timeless | *halp*? |
| 08:15.38 | timeless | kela is being stupid |
| 08:15.46 | jaska | yes.. kela is silly |
| 08:15.46 | timeless | they made me waste a secure token |
| 08:16.04 | timeless | how do i fill out form y 39 electronically? |
| 08:16.13 | jaska | i had to fight with kela and various other instances for a few years when i was sick |
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| 08:17.25 | jaska | it didnt work when you filled it online? |
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| 08:19.07 | timeless | i can't figure out where to fill it out online |
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| 08:21.22 | jaska | hmm |
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| 08:21.40 | jaska | are you still logged in? |
| 08:22.35 | jaska | stupid system wont let me see the actual user pages unless i use up one of my bank codes :) |
| 08:22.57 | jaska | ahh, there is a test mode |
| 08:24.46 | timeless | there is? |
| 08:24.51 | timeless | yeah i'm still logged in, i think |
| 08:24.58 | timeless | so... |
| 08:25.06 | jaska | looking around.. |
| 08:25.07 | timeless | i think i didn't need to burn a secure token to do this |
| 08:25.19 | timeless | i think the y 39 pdf is boobie trapped with a submission procedure |
| 08:25.51 | timeless | > 5. Pensioners moving abroad permanently |
| 08:26.01 | timeless | does that mean "if you are retired"? |
| 08:26.07 | jaska | yes |
| 08:26.09 | timeless | i'm not retired... but some day i hope to be |
| 08:26.37 | timeless | no |
| 08:26.38 | jaska | what language is your UI in? |
| 08:26.43 | timeless | this form is not properly boobie trapped |
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| 08:26.47 | timeless | it's just stupid |
| 08:26.59 | timeless | ok, so how the **** does one submit this form to these a** holes? |
| 08:27.16 | timeless | or should i say monkeys? |
| 08:27.33 | jaska | is your web ui english or finnish.. the demo only has finnish |
| 08:27.46 | timeless | web ui is um |
| 08:27.48 | timeless | ponders |
| 08:27.54 | timeless | finnish |
| 08:27.59 | timeless | they probably have swedish too |
| 08:28.01 | jaska | "hakemus ja ilmoitus" |
| 08:28.04 | timeless | but yeah, no finnish |
| 08:28.09 | timeless | err no engilsh |
| 08:28.17 | jaska | that opens: "oikeus suomen sosiaaliturvaan" |
| 08:28.23 | timeless | "Hakemus tai ilmoitus" ? |
| 08:28.25 | jaska | yheah |
| 08:28.50 | timeless | ok.. now what |
| 08:29.00 | jaska | do you get a dialogueish page with "keskeyta" "jatka"? |
| 08:29.12 | timeless | i only clicked on "Hakemus tai ilmoitus" |
| 08:29.22 | jaska | does it open a "submenu" tree under it |
| 08:29.39 | timeless | do you want me to click jaska jaska jaska "Oikeus Suomen sosiaaliturvaan"? |
| 08:29.58 | jaska | holdon |
| 08:29.59 | timeless | yeah i have ~15 items under it |
| 08:30.11 | jaska | ok, the bottom one is "oikeus suomen sosiaaliturvaan" |
| 08:30.22 | timeless | btw if you see 'jaska', it means i did '<ctrl>-<tab>' and the irc client heard it.. |
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| 08:30.33 | jaska | heh |
| 08:30.43 | timeless | ok, i clicked that |
| 08:30.56 | jaska | you get a page with "keskeyta" "jatka"? |
| 08:31.42 | timeless | yes |
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| 08:31.54 | jaska | click jatka |
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| 08:32.15 | jaska | i think ill take this to pm.. not wanting to flood here |
| 08:32.15 | timeless | ok |
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| 08:39.01 | scoobertron | I have been a dumbass and edited my sudoers file. Now I can't get root access. Any idea how to fix it? (without ssh server installed) |
| 08:40.11 | DocScrutinizer51 | tzzz, touchscreen click been dead until I closed mediaplayer |
| 08:40.54 | DocScrutinizer51 | reopened MP and started/stopped playback... click OK |
| 08:41.18 | DocScrutinizer51 | all hail to PA I'd say |
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| 08:47.24 | ruskie | scoobertron, reinstall the root sh stuff from the app manager? |
| 08:50.48 | scoobertron | app manager doesn't work because it uses sudoers to get root access |
| 08:53.13 | mgedmin | well, can you run anything as root? is /etc/sudoers empty now, or what? |
| 08:53.23 | mgedmin | worst case, reflash the rootfs |
| 08:53.56 | mgedmin | I wonder if there are any known unpatched local root exploits in that kernel version |
| 08:55.00 | robbiethe1st | You don't have backupmenu, do you? |
| 08:55.44 | jaska | phew |
| 08:55.58 | cehteh | ssh installed? |
| 08:56.17 | DocScrutinizer | nonsense, enable R&D mode |
| 08:56.24 | timeless | thanks mece and jaska for their help w/ kela |
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| 08:56.36 | robbiethe1st | R&D mode would work? |
| 08:56.50 | DocScrutinizer | it's supposed to work, yes |
| 08:56.56 | robbiethe1st | it doesn't rely on sudoers? |
| 08:57.02 | DocScrutinizer | not afaik |
| 08:57.06 | robbiethe1st | hm... |
| 08:57.08 | robbiethe1st | cool |
| 08:57.15 | cehteh | well if sshd is running that might be easier :P |
| 08:57.17 | scoobertron | mgedmin: No, I added a line without realising it superceded all the lines above it. |
| 08:57.39 | DocScrutinizer | indeed |
| 08:57.44 | mgedmin | what was the line? |
| 08:58.02 | DocScrutinizer | ljdhjkdxdhnkdh? |
| 08:58.09 | scoobertron | mgedmin: iirc user ALL = ALL |
| 08:58.10 | DocScrutinizer | :-P |
| 08:58.23 | scoobertron | this was before I realised I didn't have a password |
| 08:58.32 | mgedmin | you can create a password |
| 08:58.38 | mgedmin | or maybe not |
| 08:58.39 | DocScrutinizer | you ran update-sudoers? |
| 08:58.55 | scoobertron | no, edited it with visudo |
| 08:59.15 | DocScrutinizer | you rebooted? |
| 08:59.38 | scoobertron | passwd told me I couldn't change the user password |
| 08:59.42 | scoobertron | I don't think I rebooted |
| 08:59.55 | DocScrutinizer | so run update-sudoers now |
| 09:00.07 | mgedmin | I'm pretty sure you need to be root to do that :/ |
| 09:00.16 | DocScrutinizer | basically you're not supposed to edit etc/sudoers |
| 09:00.39 | DocScrutinizer | mgedmin: I'm pretty sure a boot does as well |
| 09:00.42 | DocScrutinizer | ;-D |
| 09:00.51 | mgedmin | that would solve everything |
| 09:01.01 | mgedmin | grep sudo /etc/event.d/* finds nothing |
| 09:01.18 | mgedmin | how would update-sudoers be run during boot? |
| 09:01.19 | scoobertron | DocScrutinizer: yeah, I saw the wiki afterwards. I feel like such a dumbass. I just thought I would share my embarressment with all the good folks at #maemo before reflashing. |
| 09:01.28 | DocScrutinizer | nevertheless update-sudoers is run at boot time for all I know |
| 09:01.51 | scoobertron | and update-sudoers would fix it? |
| 09:02.07 | DocScrutinizer | mgedmin: no idea, but I'm sure it's run at boottime, rather sure |
| 09:02.18 | DocScrutinizer | scoobertron: depends |
| 09:02.31 | DocScrutinizer | could, without waranty |
| 09:02.43 | mgedmin | update-sudoers will regenerate a new /etc/sudoers by concatenating all the files in /etc/sudoers.d/ |
| 09:02.51 | DocScrutinizer | if not, you still can enable R&D mode |
| 09:02.57 | mgedmin | if you haven't modified those, you will get a sudoers file that was exactly as it was before you ran visudo |
| 09:03.35 | mgedmin | I'm pretty sure R&D mode won't help... you run sudo gainroot, and the gainroot script checks for R&D before giving you a shell |
| 09:03.43 | DocScrutinizer | mgedmin: I heard it somehow appends some part of the original sudoers file |
| 09:03.46 | mgedmin | if you can't use sudo, you won't get as far as the script checking for the mode |
| 09:03.52 | DocScrutinizer | or prepends |
| 09:03.55 | scoobertron | DocScrutinizer: rebooted but sudo gainroot still asked for a password |
| 09:04.03 | robbiethe1st | Try R&D mode |
| 09:04.25 | mgedmin | hmm, you could be right |
| 09:04.28 | scoobertron | ok, gonna check the wiki to find out how. Ill check back later. Thanks for your help |
| 09:04.44 | mgedmin | there are a bunch of ### Automatically added by update-sudoers start/end ### lines in /etc/sudoers |
| 09:04.55 | mgedmin | could be update-sudoers strips everything between them but keeps everything outside |
| 09:05.20 | lardman | morning |
| 09:05.25 | DocScrutinizer | mgedmin: yep |
| 09:05.29 | DocScrutinizer | sth like that |
| 09:05.33 | DocScrutinizer | real mess |
| 09:05.34 | RST38h | Dear God! Please, find the person responsible for using OpenAL as the audio API in the Android NDK and punish him. With extremeprejudice. |
| 09:06.06 | robbiethe1st | But I thought everyone loved OpenAL? |
| 09:06.28 | lardman | RST38h: does it mean the driver can be better hidden? |
| 09:07.08 | lardman | I'm sure I've read a page somewhere justifying or at least giving some hints as to why these odd components were used |
| 09:07.16 | lardman | rild for the modem too iirc |
| 09:08.08 | DocScrutinizer | sure, there's an excuse for every madness in andridiot |
| 09:09.32 | DocScrutinizer | scoobertron: I guess you're really out of luck for today |
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| 09:09.55 | DocScrutinizer | maybe update-sudoers fixed HAM, but I doubt it |
| 09:10.19 | DocScrutinizer | sudo is pretty central |
| 09:10.50 | scoobertron | DocScrutinizer: its my own fault. and it won't be my first reflash due entirely to my own stupidity. I guess this is what happens when you put a terminal on a phone |
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| 09:11.11 | DocScrutinizer | hehe |
| 09:11.11 | lardman | anyone know of an IRC client that can remember when your highlights occurred and e.g. tell you the times? |
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| 09:11.39 | DocScrutinizer | scoobertron: you said you got sshd but no pw? |
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| 09:12.01 | scoobertron | I have ssh client but not server |
| 09:12.06 | DocScrutinizer | aah |
| 09:15.33 | DocScrutinizer | well, I'm out of ideas, which OTOH makes me a lil bit happy about the whole issue ;-) |
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| 09:16.38 | scoobertron | DocScrutinizer: there isn't anything stupid like a secret root password so I could just use su |
| 09:17.02 | DocScrutinizer | so far I never really thought how to break the system permissions, just added my root password for sudo gainroot and thought "better", but didn't really evaluate security |
| 09:17.13 | DocScrutinizer | scoobertron: nope |
| 09:17.33 | DocScrutinizer | except R&D mode, but if mgedmin is right it also won't work |
| 09:18.34 | mgedmin | secret root used to exist in older firmware versions (password: rootme, iirc) |
| 09:18.37 | mgedmin | but now it's gone |
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| 09:18.54 | DocScrutinizer | o.O |
| 09:19.28 | mgedmin | (older, as in the times of nokia 770s) |
| 09:19.30 | DocScrutinizer | where from came THAT? passwd? |
| 09:20.29 | scoobertron | DocScrutinizer: yeah, I wondered about r&d being a lost hope. I might just reflash, its not a huge deal. |
| 09:20.34 | DocScrutinizer | or did they really hardcode it into some binary? |
| 09:21.01 | DocScrutinizer | well, before reflashing, it's a small effort to enable R&D |
| 09:22.32 | DocScrutinizer | though mgedmin has sound arguments why it can't work |
| 09:22.42 | scoobertron | DocScrutinizer: that's true, except I just found out that the flasher doesn't work with 64bit linux, so I gotta go plug it into my server. |
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| 09:25.33 | DocScrutinizer | mgedmin: I can't find a check for R&D in gainroot script, so it has to be hardcoded to sudo, or it lives somewhere else |
| 09:25.57 | mgedmin | MODE=`$CALTOOL --get-rd-mode` |
| 09:26.04 | DocScrutinizer | o.O |
| 09:26.04 | mgedmin | if [ x$MODE = xenabled ] |
| 09:26.05 | mgedmin | ... |
| 09:26.25 | DocScrutinizer | not here |
| 09:26.32 | mgedmin | if you've got easyroot installed, it replaces the original gainroot with its own version |
| 09:26.39 | mgedmin | you can find the original in /usr/sbin/gainroot.old |
| 09:26.46 | DocScrutinizer | duh |
| 09:26.55 | DocScrutinizer | what's easyroot doing then |
| 09:27.09 | mgedmin | cat /usr/sbin/gainroot and see for yourself |
| 09:27.09 | DocScrutinizer | I might have it, but never wrapped my head around it |
| 09:27.17 | mgedmin | basically it runs /bin/sh |
| 09:27.23 | DocScrutinizer | darn, that's what I did |
| 09:27.27 | mece | people with the (tester) tag on maemo, are they the special magical testers whose votes are more valuable? |
| 09:27.39 | DocScrutinizer | less `which gainroot` |
| 09:28.06 | mgedmin | the whole magic is in the sudoers file which lets you run /usr/sbin/gainroot with no password |
| 09:28.18 | mgedmin | the original gainroot is then additionally protected by the R&D mode check |
| 09:28.27 | mgedmin | the modified one just gives you a root shell no questions asked |
| 09:28.29 | DocScrutinizer | still I wonder what's easyroot |
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| 09:29.14 | DocScrutinizer | so it's rootsh that swapped that file? |
| 09:29.14 | mgedmin | good question |
| 09:29.26 | mgedmin | I did a cat $(which gainroot) and saw |
| 09:29.31 | DocScrutinizer | s/file/script/ |
| 09:29.35 | mgedmin | #From Andey Gubarev's easyroot. |
| 09:29.43 | DocScrutinizer | aaah yes |
| 09:29.43 | mgedmin | perhaps rootsh is based on an earlier package called easyroot? |
| 09:29.46 | DocScrutinizer | got that too |
| 09:30.14 | mgedmin | apt doesn't know anything about easyroot, but shows I've got rootsh installed |
| 09:30.31 | mgedmin | thanks for reminding about the name, I was scratching my head after apt-cache policy rootme disclaimed any knowledge |
| 09:30.31 | infobot | mgedmin: de nada |
| 09:30.47 | mgedmin | wat? |
| 09:31.01 | mgedmin | what did I say to trigger infobot? |
| 09:31.09 | DocScrutinizer | HAHA |
| 09:32.13 | DocScrutinizer | look at |
| 09:32.14 | DocScrutinizer | if [ -x /mnt/initfs/usr/bin/cal-tool ]; then |
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| 09:32.16 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:34.09 | DocScrutinizer | 100 point for a good explanation if this is a vulnerability or not, and why :-) |
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| 09:36.06 | DocScrutinizer | but yeah, if sudo doesn't get to execute the script even, then you won't win a snip there |
| 09:37.40 | DocScrutinizer | scoobertron: R&D won't work either |
| 09:40.01 | DocScrutinizer | so it's reflash for you |
| 09:40.58 | DocScrutinizer | unless you want to go the path of meego-jedi and use rescue-initrd |
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| 09:43.17 | DocScrutinizer | mgedmin: indeed, what did you do to trigger infobot? your "reference" to her other name apt been in your former post |
| 09:43.39 | scoobertron | nah, I think it is reflash o' clock |
| 09:43.43 | DocScrutinizer | thanks apt done it, see? |
| 09:43.43 | infobot | no worries, DocScrutinizer |
| 09:43.45 | mgedmin | thanks blah blah blah apt blah blah? |
| 09:43.45 | infobot | no worries, mgedmin |
| 09:43.48 | mgedmin | yep |
| 09:43.49 | mgedmin | :) |
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| 09:46.30 | scoobertron | I though apt was a #debian bot. maybe it's lost |
| 09:46.44 | DocScrutinizer | thanks infobot works too? |
| 09:46.56 | mgedmin | hahaha |
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| 09:46.59 | mgedmin | no |
| 09:47.05 | DocScrutinizer | hahaha, legacy, ancient legacy |
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| 09:47.49 | DocScrutinizer | ~info sudo |
| 09:48.01 | DocScrutinizer | meh |
| 09:48.06 | DocScrutinizer | ~+info sudo |
| 09:48.16 | DocScrutinizer | ouch |
| 09:48.23 | DocScrutinizer | LOL |
| 09:48.39 | DocScrutinizer | ~status |
| 09:48.39 | infobot | Since Sun May 29 22:34:31 2011, there have been 36 modifications, 556 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 368 commands. I have been awake for 14d 11h 14m 8s this session, and currently reference 117826 factoids. I'm using about 38768 kB of memory. With 1 active fork. Process time user/system 3848.58/103.21 child 0/0 |
| 09:48.50 | DocScrutinizer | apt died |
| 09:49.25 | DocScrutinizer | back again ;-P |
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| 09:49.49 | Sicelo | how does infobot detect morons? |
| 09:50.12 | DocScrutinizer | good question - obviously not at all |
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| 09:50.54 | Termana | That feature had to be disabled. The number was going outside the variables range. |
| 09:50.57 | DocScrutinizer | wonders how long that updating debian files takes |
| 09:51.00 | DocScrutinizer | aaah |
| 09:51.14 | DocScrutinizer | Termana: lol |
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| 09:51.54 | DocScrutinizer | so now you learnt why infobot thinks she's apt |
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| 09:54.26 | DocScrutinizer | thanks apt |
| 09:54.26 | infobot | no problem, DocScrutinizer |
| 09:55.13 | ruskie | http://www.reghardware.com/2011/06/13/nokia_whupped_by_samsung_apple/ <-- bye bye... it's been nice knowing you |
| 09:55.41 | DocScrutinizer | this time for real? |
| 09:56.08 | ruskie | well apparently they've dropped from the 1st place globaly |
| 09:56.20 | ruskie | smartphones that is |
| 09:56.21 | DocScrutinizer | aaah, got that wrong |
| 09:56.43 | DocScrutinizer | thought it's the big sellout already |
| 09:57.07 | ruskie | if this keeps going there won't be much to sell will there? |
| 09:57.32 | DocScrutinizer | as then I'd say "byebye Elop, take your winP7 and run!" |
| 09:57.49 | Termana | Trojan horse |
| 09:58.04 | ruskie | whoever thought that sticking Elop in charge was a good idea will probably be getting a huge bonus or something as well |
| 09:58.25 | DocScrutinizer | as neither Samsung nor Apple will be interested in Nokia selling windows phones |
| 09:59.07 | Termana | If I read the article right, Samsung is selling more than Apple? |
| 09:59.09 | DocScrutinizer | iNokia galaxy |
| 09:59.15 | jaska | ugh, now getting phonesexline sms spam, guess i need to start blacklisting :) |
| 09:59.33 | ruskie | to bad I'm not really interested in any Apple gear... as for Samsung.. unless they actually come up with a maemo like open device... they're more or less a dead market for me as well |
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| 10:00.54 | ruskie | Termana, apple is a niche player at best in europe I'd say |
| 10:01.10 | Termana | Oh, it's just for Europe, not overall? |
| 10:01.25 | ruskie | it's overall |
| 10:01.37 | ruskie | though no clue what metrics they are using |
| 10:02.00 | DocScrutinizer | I guess the iPHone market is rather small in India and Africa |
| 10:02.44 | ruskie | odd though that apple got the top smartphone spot in europe |
| 10:02.59 | DocScrutinizer | for india it's too expensive, for africa too flimsy |
| 10:03.46 | ruskie | though of course... I wonder how big the market share is for all the 'droid manufacturers put togheter in europe |
| 10:04.25 | DocScrutinizer | well, I actually don't know anybod< with a droid |
| 10:04.39 | ruskie | I do... actually quite a few people now |
| 10:04.59 | DocScrutinizer | all iPhoney here |
| 10:05.04 | ruskie | even our business phones the people are buying some droids @work |
| 10:05.09 | ruskie | gah |
| 10:05.14 | ruskie | I can't type apparently |
| 10:05.39 | ruskie | one of them actually has a touch symbian device |
| 10:05.50 | ruskie | it's sad seeing him trying to use it |
| 10:06.09 | DocScrutinizer | *sob* |
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| 10:09.37 | ruskie | I wonder if cellcos will ever start selling dual-sim kits with one sim call+sms only and the other 3g only and you can use both at the same time... |
| 10:10.00 | Hurrian | ruskie, carriers love charging you |
| 10:10.17 | Hurrian | i'm thinking of buying a dual sim kit for the n900 actually |
| 10:10.33 | Hurrian | since there's unlimited data for a 3.5G USB stick @ $20USD |
| 10:11.06 | ruskie | you misunderstood me... not two separate accounts... a single account but with separate functionality |
| 10:11.09 | Hurrian | ah |
| 10:11.43 | ruskie | so that I can have a cheap call/sms only cell phone with a number and a 3g sim card for whatever portable device I want to use atm using the same account and costs |
| 10:12.24 | Hurrian | my ISP actually gives you free 3.5G internet as an extension of the service at home |
| 10:12.54 | ruskie | hmm my cellco started to offer iphone 4 |
| 10:12.59 | Hurrian | i cba to switch phone numbers on my n900 and i already have an unlimited call+text on another carrier |
| 10:13.07 | Hurrian | so i just stuck it in my iphone 4 |
| 10:13.29 | ruskie | for a 54â¬/m cost |
| 10:13.38 | Hurrian | ouch. |
| 10:14.04 | Hurrian | that's pricy |
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| 10:14.27 | ruskie | well I pay 5â¬/m for the basic service |
| 10:14.32 | ruskie | no free calls/texts/data |
| 10:14.48 | ruskie | and then on top of that 12â¬/m for 2gb of data allowance per month |
| 10:15.22 | Hurrian | 12 euro for 2GB? |
| 10:15.28 | Hurrian | god damn |
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| 10:15.57 | ruskie | I could pay 18â¬/month for 20gb |
| 10:16.43 | Hurrian | US$20 gets me unlimited calls+text, and +$20 gets me unlimited data |
| 10:16.47 | ruskie | if I just get a 3g only account I can pay 15â¬/m for 10gb of data or 24â¬/month for "unlimited"(drops to 128kbit/s on reaching 20gb) |
| 10:17.04 | Hurrian | where i'm from, everybody loves unlimited. if it's not unlimited, it won't sell |
| 10:17.13 | Termana | Gees |
| 10:17.26 | Termana | I'm on 10 GB for $40 AUD |
| 10:17.38 | Termana | Which has just gone up from $60 for 8 GB |
| 10:17.44 | Hurrian | an isp actually went bankrupt from having the fastest home DSL @ 5Mbps but with a 15GB cap |
| 10:17.53 | Termana | (down/up whatever, at least it's a little better now) |
| 10:17.56 | ruskie | Termana, so 30 eur |
| 10:18.03 | Hurrian | in before someone says i'm from a third world country |
| 10:18.13 | Termana | ruskie, yeah |
| 10:18.42 | Termana | And that's basically the CHEAPEST 3G service we have in Australia |
| 10:18.52 | Termana | All the others are charging out their arse |
| 10:19.06 | ruskie | I can get 51 min to all other networks, 101 mb data and 101 text for 20â¬/month |
| 10:19.20 | ruskie | and can even mix and match stuff |
| 10:19.33 | ruskie | maybe I want 201 mins to other networks... etc... |
| 10:19.49 | ruskie | actually 51min to all even home network |
| 10:19.57 | Hurrian | personally i'd rather have unlimited minutes rather than texts |
| 10:19.58 | ruskie | the 101 minute package comes with free calls in home network |
| 10:20.07 | ruskie | no unlimited options for that here |
| 10:20.15 | ruskie | 1001 is the max for minutes and texts |
| 10:20.18 | Hurrian | i have never, ever texted anyone in the past 5 years |
| 10:20.48 | Termana | Hurrian, that's cause your from a third world country |
| 10:20.50 | Termana | zing! |
| 10:20.54 | mece | lol |
| 10:21.00 | ruskie | I probably do more texting than calling |
| 10:21.02 | Hurrian | termana, i only call people! |
| 10:21.04 | ruskie | but I don't really use either |
| 10:21.05 | mece | I want m6 sdk. |
| 10:21.21 | Hurrian | and personally, i'd rather route all this shit thru sip/voip |
| 10:21.23 | ruskie | I basically pay 5eur so I don't use it for 99% of the time |
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| 10:22.48 | ruskie | sheesh... I wish the cellco would actually tell the data division and the calls division and the marketing department that they should agree on some common price points |
| 10:23.05 | ruskie | on their put togheter a package they are charging 18â¬/m for 3gb data limit |
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| 10:23.35 | ruskie | while for 18â¬/m as an added option you can get 20gb/m |
| 10:24.21 | Hurrian | mece, I want maemo 6 HE for N900. |
| 10:25.37 | mece | Hurrian, that would be nice too, but first I want sdk |
| 10:26.08 | bindi | up to 15 Mbit/s for 13.49â¬/mo, no caps |
| 10:26.37 | ruskie | bindi, well different caps ;) |
| 10:26.50 | ruskie | speed cap: 15 Mbit/s |
| 10:26.58 | ruskie | vs size cap: 20gb |
| 10:26.59 | ThreeM | 100Mbit/s for 29 euros :) |
| 10:27.09 | ruskie | hahaha |
| 10:27.12 | ruskie | cute |
| 10:27.55 | ThreeM | unlimited traffic for sure |
| 10:28.14 | DocScrutinizer | 100Mbit/s? WTF?! |
| 10:28.30 | DocScrutinizer | what's that? 3G++? |
| 10:28.31 | ThreeM | upstream is 10mbits |
| 10:28.41 | ThreeM | fibreoptic :) |
| 10:28.46 | ThreeM | :p |
| 10:28.57 | DocScrutinizer | we got DSL here that maxes out at 50Mbit |
| 10:29.03 | RST38h | A'ok. Tasks left: audio support, file selector, missing buttons support, touch screen |
| 10:29.15 | ThreeM | vdsl i gues |
| 10:29.39 | DocScrutinizer | yup |
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| 10:30.16 | ThreeM | they have to give the user more upstream |
| 10:30.33 | ThreeM | thats more important than downstream for me |
| 10:30.41 | DocScrutinizer | I'm on a lame 1Mb line here, with an upstream slow as molasses. Actually my 3G is magnitudes faster than that |
| 10:31.33 | DocScrutinizer | literally magnitudes |
| 10:31.33 | crashanddie | ThreeM, what country? |
| 10:31.39 | ThreeM | germany |
| 10:31.45 | ruskie | hahahaha just read an article in the local news about how users really don't need a laptop/computer but a tablet or a smartphone only... |
| 10:32.10 | DocScrutinizer | sure, as lusers are lusers |
| 10:32.35 | ruskie | and apparently business users shouldn't need anything more as well |
| 10:32.37 | DocScrutinizer | they don't even know what that thing is, it's just funny collorful |
| 10:33.20 | DocScrutinizer | ruskie: and authors should engrave their new books into stone? |
| 10:33.25 | ruskie | and this is written from someone who apparently does usability stuff |
| 10:33.44 | DocScrutinizer | a certified gashead |
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| 10:34.35 | DocScrutinizer | usability tested for consoles |
| 10:34.51 | DocScrutinizer | tester* |
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| 10:35.02 | DocScrutinizer | and toasters |
| 10:35.29 | ruskie | and apparently the place this guy works in is in the same building I work in |
| 10:35.53 | DocScrutinizer | heh great, so you can give him a visit |
| 10:36.41 | ruskie | he probably does usability stuff for web apps so basicalyl mixing air and putting pwetty things around |
| 10:37.43 | DocScrutinizer | I can see why you don't need a proper computer for *webapps* |
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| 10:37.59 | DocScrutinizer | the question is: who needs webapps? |
| 10:38.14 | ruskie | apparently according to him... everyone |
| 10:38.41 | DocScrutinizer | I guess this dude got no secretary |
| 10:39.12 | DocScrutinizer | or he's an evil anarchist and terrorist |
| 10:39.14 | ruskie | but most of the people that are working here couldn't even wipe their arses with a tablet since they actually need performance(they are mostly developers or do heavy computation lifting of one sort or another) |
| 10:39.40 | DocScrutinizer | so the latter |
| 10:39.47 | crashanddie | if you do heavy computation and are considering a tablet, you're not a developer. |
| 10:40.06 | DocScrutinizer | no, you're a mole terrorist |
| 10:40.42 | ruskie | crashanddie, I never said I or we were considering a tablet ;) |
| 10:41.11 | ruskie | other than to test anything we might develop for them since the CTO seems to have some grand ideas how mobile apps will be I don't know what... |
| 10:41.25 | DocScrutinizer | this dude (allegedly usability) is a mole trying to tear down the company |
| 10:41.38 | DocScrutinizer | your local Elop ;-P |
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| 10:42.24 | ruskie | DocScrutinizer, well I said building not company ;) |
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| 10:42.43 | ruskie | a building can have multiple companies in it... |
| 10:43.05 | DocScrutinizer | so an ueber-Elop with a master plan for a whole region |
| 10:44.06 | DocScrutinizer | suggesting nobody needs any IT except a tablet is really tepco |
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| 10:47.07 | ruskie | owww fun... this gov already managed to shoot out both it's legs and is now trying to shoot out it's knees... one law is for criminalizing downloading of copyrighted works without permission... if you download more than 5000 eur worth of downloads you are facing jail time of up to 3 years... and ... |
| 10:47.12 | ruskie | ... for over 50000 eur jail time of up to 5 years... |
| 10:47.29 | Hurrian | lol wut |
| 10:47.34 | crashanddie | its legs, its knees. |
| 10:47.49 | ruskie | crashanddie, sorry about that |
| 10:48.35 | ruskie | and for the second one... the cops want to extend wiretapping laws to allow them to monitor basically all communications metadata(origin, destination, time, duration etc...) on the same point of tapping where they have a valid wiretap warrant... |
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| 10:49.34 | ruskie | ow... and they just lost 3 referendums on the same day like a week ago...(which was basically the first two shoots) |
| 10:49.43 | gri | DocScrutinizer: did you get the german localization in scratchbox working? |
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| 10:50.15 | RST38h | Doc: What? Elop bred and split into two? Who is his clone? |
| 10:50.45 | RST38h | gri <-- a real aesthete |
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| 10:52.01 | Noteplate | hello |
| 10:52.15 | gri | RST38h: This means no way? :D |
| 10:52.26 | Noteplate | ? |
| 10:52.44 | ruskie | Noteplate, ask if you have anything to ask |
| 10:52.50 | thopiekar | hi.. I'll get an N900 at the end of the week and I'm now repackaging console apps at sb.. now managed to build streamripper that I uploaded already on diablo and xbindkeys.. I think Macer wanted xbindkeys afaik weeks before.. are there other console apps from ubuntu you want? |
| 10:52.56 | ruskie | else just sit back and enjoy the show |
| 10:53.19 | DocScrutinizer | gri: nope |
| 10:53.24 | Noteplate | I just wanted an idea for my n900 based blog name |
| 10:53.33 | DocScrutinizer | switched back to english and all fine |
| 10:53.46 | Noteplate | hopefully to help out the end users a little bit |
| 10:53.47 | ruskie | n900-no-more.nokia-no-more.microsoft maybe ? |
| 10:54.47 | Noteplate | its going to have app roundups and things like that to hopefully reduce the amount of disgruntled end users |
| 10:55.02 | RST38h | gri: Means "WHY?" |
| 10:55.59 | ruskie | Noteplate, so you want to magically change their N900 into fruit-companyphones and robot-namedphones ? |
| 10:56.39 | RST38h | wonders what would world need another n900-themed blog for |
| 10:56.49 | Noteplate | no but maybe offering some simple solutions to common problems would help |
| 10:57.00 | crashanddie | Another blog, woop de fucking woop |
| 10:57.14 | RST38h | Noteplate: like, the solution to searching on TMO and Google? |
| 10:57.15 | gri | RST38h: Just to know if it works for others, I can live with the english one, too |
| 10:57.24 | crashanddie | Was "Imtoolametofindaname" already taken? |
| 10:58.07 | ruskie | Noteplate, most disgruntled users tend to be of theopinion of: OMFG this isn't android or iphone you $%^*#%$*@%$*$ liars |
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| 10:58.40 | cehteh | dead-horses as blog name? :) |
| 10:58.41 | ruskie | and of course directed at the maemo community... not at nokia... |
| 10:59.37 | thopiekar | I'm sorry if I'm wrong but is searching a blog name not a little but toooo offtopic? |
| 10:59.59 | ruskie | and I think I've noticed a few common ones of the type: how can I run this app that my friend is running on his shiny |
| 11:00.01 | crashanddie | thopiekar, oh I'm sorry, who made you operator? |
| 11:00.08 | RST38h | thopiekar: no, just lame. |
| 11:00.36 | ruskie | hmm maybe someone should make faqtmo.blog |
| 11:00.47 | ruskie | and just bring all these common questions with answers there |
| 11:01.02 | ruskie | so people can ignore it there as well and post yet another thread with the same name |
| 11:01.04 | Noteplate | well more things like "whats the best way to view facebook" kaverspous touch.facebook ect |
| 11:01.16 | Noteplate | or ways to watch tv on n900 |
| 11:01.21 | RST38h | faqme4im2lame2google.blog |
| 11:01.28 | joga | I'd like a "what's a good mail client" |
| 11:01.48 | joga | doesn't really get the hostility towards this blog... |
| 11:01.53 | ruskie | joga, good or good enough? |
| 11:01.59 | joga | ruskie, good enough |
| 11:02.03 | ruskie | joga, it's not hostility towards the blog |
| 11:02.05 | ruskie | joga, mutt? |
| 11:02.12 | RST38h | The favorite of all times is "my battery is dead how do I turn n900 on?" |
| 11:02.20 | Noteplate | all im asking for is some blog name ideas not a discussion of "i hate end users because ...." |
| 11:02.23 | ruskie | it's the idea that people will actually find it |
| 11:02.23 | joga | ruskie, yes, I use mutt over ssh, it's just that not everyone uses their phone via terminal |
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| 11:03.00 | ruskie | joga, erm... so? use it localy... setup mailcap to open graphical things graphically |
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| 11:03.28 | joga | ruskie, ehrm....let's assume a business user for example. I haven't found any mail client that would handle even the basics |
| 11:03.30 | ruskie | speaking of which I really ought to build alpine for n900 sometime soon |
| 11:03.37 | joga | besides thunderbird in easydebian or such |
| 11:03.42 | jacekowski | modest |
| 11:03.43 | ruskie | claws-mail ? |
| 11:03.52 | gri | Noteplate: You want to buy a domain? |
| 11:03.54 | jacekowski | claws is even worse than modest |
| 11:03.55 | ruskie | I'm assuming you are refering to calendaring etc... |
| 11:04.14 | ruskie | jacekowski, outlook is worst than modest... outlook express as well |
| 11:04.15 | BluesLee | who uses smscon here? |
| 11:04.18 | joga | ruskie, mostly just accessing an imap account and folder support |
| 11:04.32 | cehteh | .. note: the next smartphone should have an useable email client |
| 11:05.27 | cehteh | with imap, dozens of folders and tens of thousands of messages no email client works :/ ... |
| 11:05.40 | joga | no prob with mutt |
| 11:05.48 | ruskie | cehteh, alpine works fine |
| 11:05.57 | joga | or, ok, I don't have *tens* of thousands of messages but over a ten thousand at least |
| 11:06.00 | cehteh | imap idle support? |
| 11:06.01 | ruskie | any caching client though will fail at most imap tasks |
| 11:06.19 | cehteh | well modest cant even select subscribed folders |
| 11:06.30 | ruskie | modest is frankly a joke |
| 11:06.45 | cehteh | and notifies on every incoming mail .. which is most usualy spam |
| 11:06.46 | Noteplate | to be honest not everybody wants to ssh and other do other "techie" stuff just to read an email |
| 11:07.02 | ruskie | Noteplate, and they have modest for that |
| 11:07.03 | cehteh | here things get into inbox and are sorted then by popfile |
| 11:07.30 | ruskie | I have on delivery sieve filtering... so stuff is already sorted into folders |
| 11:07.38 | joga | me too.. |
| 11:07.45 | ruskie | and I have a New mails server provided virtual dir that shows all new mail in various folders |
| 11:07.47 | Noteplate | When nokia sold the phone there was no warning that the phone is for linux geeks only. There are plenty of end users who own the phone and for good reason too |
| 11:08.21 | ruskie | Noteplate, end users by Nokia definition will use the phone as is out of the box I'd say |
| 11:08.23 | crashanddie | Noteplate, abill_uk, is that you? |
| 11:08.30 | joga | most non-techy end users I know have sold it for some other phone... |
| 11:08.32 | Noteplate | Its like buying a car then being told it will only work if your a mechanic |
| 11:08.32 | cehteh | i am a linux geek but still there is no useable mail solution |
| 11:08.41 | joga | I agree with cehteh |
| 11:08.46 | joga | besides using mutt |
| 11:08.47 | joga | :) |
| 11:09.01 | cehteh | mutt is not really a solutiion |
| 11:09.04 | ruskie | cehteh, agreed... there is no actual usable email client on the n900 that would just work |
| 11:09.13 | joga | problem was, I was asked what mail client would be ok (a gui one) but couldn't give an answer after researching a bit |
| 11:09.15 | Noteplate | ruskie, your saying that no end user will want to add functionality to their phone? |
| 11:09.53 | ruskie | Noteplate, most of them won't use a phone beyond basic calls and messaging |
| 11:09.55 | Noteplate | also for me if I run into a simple problem it pains me to trawl through countless threads for an answer |
| 11:10.08 | ruskie | Noteplate, then call it tmofaq.blog |
| 11:10.13 | joga | I can't understand a person who doesn't use the phone beyond the basics *and* buys a smartphone |
| 11:10.22 | ruskie | and find the most common questions and answers and do it |
| 11:10.22 | Noteplate | exactly |
| 11:10.25 | cehteh | i wont miss threading .. but push email aka imap idle and selectable subscriptions for important folders only and then only notifications enabled for even fewer folders are a must |
| 11:10.25 | crashanddie | Noteplate, how about you just become an editor for mwkn? |
| 11:10.41 | Noteplate | whats mwkn? |
| 11:10.51 | crashanddie | oh ffs |
| 11:10.53 | cehteh | and mutt doesnt solve the notification problem |
| 11:10.54 | ruskie | maemo weekly news? |
| 11:11.04 | ruskie | I'd like JUST notification |
| 11:11.47 | ruskie | no email client at all... just a tool I tell it to get updates from the imap dirs I specifiy... and notify me with a quick from, subject, maybe some body |
| 11:11.50 | joga | but hey, you can access n900 over ssh so the mutt running in your shell could make it do a notification!1 |
| 11:11.51 | Noteplate | ruskie, your telling me that smartphone buyers use only basic calls and messaging, have you heard of the iPhone by any chance? |
| 11:11.55 | joga | ;) |
| 11:12.14 | ruskie | Noteplate, I didn't say ALL... I said MOST |
| 11:12.26 | Noteplate | I dont think thats true |
| 11:12.35 | ruskie | hell if I look at my own use... I mostly don't use 90% of the functionality of the n900 and I consider myself a geek... |
| 11:12.37 | joga | I feel that *most* would expect being able to do something more besides sms and calling |
| 11:12.46 | crashanddie | Noteplate, you're a troll. I'm about to kick your ass out of here. |
| 11:12.54 | joga | ... |
| 11:12.55 | Noteplate | im not a troll |
| 11:13.08 | crashanddie | Then don't behave like one. |
| 11:13.12 | maybeWTF | well you can play solitaire |
| 11:13.16 | joga | crashanddie, like how? |
| 11:13.19 | Noteplate | your all just pretty closed minded about new users and anybody helping them |
| 11:13.35 | crashanddie | Oh really? |
| 11:13.38 | ruskie | I like helping new users... |
| 11:13.50 | Noteplate | by telling them to use ssh? |
| 11:13.54 | ruskie | but I expect them to be able to logically deduce things on their own |
| 11:14.04 | ruskie | not handholding them on how to do things |
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| 11:14.52 | crashanddie | Noteplate, listen, good luck on the blog, you're not the first one who tried, and won't be the last, methinks. |
| 11:14.56 | joga | sometimes a bit of handholding will save a couple years of someone's time and may leave them happier |
| 11:15.04 | ruskie | yes a bit |
| 11:15.07 | crashanddie | Noteplate, however, I've also seen quite a few of those, and most of them went the way of the dodo |
| 11:15.43 | ruskie | but I've had to deal with various users over the years of various software... and hit to many times on the: it's urgent I need this done asap tell me all the steps on how to do it NOW! NOW! NOW!!! |
| 11:15.55 | Noteplate | its almost like if somebody is not an "end user" to you they must be "linux geek" is there no middleground of user who wants to install some good apps and generally use more than calls? |
| 11:16.12 | Noteplate | all i wanted is a name |
| 11:16.20 | crashanddie | Noteplate, well, it's exactly because the whole community behaves that way that I've stopped being involved |
| 11:16.20 | ruskie | I suggested it... |
| 11:16.22 | ruskie | tmofaqs |
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| 11:16.53 | ruskie | Noteplate, those users tend to be in the I need help how can I do this and that |
| 11:16.55 | crashanddie | or howtomaemo |
| 11:17.25 | crashanddie | you'll definitely get a lot of hits from all the users typing "how to $x maemo" in google. |
| 11:17.32 | Noteplate | how to n900? |
| 11:17.50 | maybeWTF | push buttan |
| 11:17.51 | ruskie | that could work as well |
| 11:18.14 | Noteplate | but its not just how tos, there will be other stuff :s |
| 11:18.22 | Noteplate | like css3/html5 testing |
| 11:18.26 | ruskie | your point? |
| 11:18.43 | crashanddie | maemovolcano then |
| 11:19.44 | crashanddie | maemo-is-bueno-and-if-you-want-to-be-sereno-you-should-go-to-magdaleno |
| 11:19.48 | crashanddie | Now, don't say we didn't help. |
| 11:19.57 | joga | nokianoob |
| 11:20.16 | ruskie | as for the aggressive stance against users... I've had like a month or so ago had a person come to some channel and ask for a fully working config for their setup for that software so they wouldn't have to do it while they were charging a client for that service!!! |
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| 11:21.28 | joga | that would be *AWESOME* |
| 11:21.45 | joga | imagine the furious client after you give them the destructive configuration |
| 11:22.13 | joga | or otherwise convoluted so they waste more time reading through it than writing their own |
| 11:22.31 | ruskie | I tend to mostly link users to relevant docs for their problems |
| 11:22.52 | Noteplate | so how do you guys browse facebook? |
| 11:22.55 | joga | but such blatancy should be used be some funny person |
| 11:23.03 | joga | I'm not on facebook so no problem for me.. |
| 11:23.10 | Jaffa | Noteplate: Web site, infrequently. |
| 11:23.19 | Noteplate | on your n900? |
| 11:23.25 | ruskie | Noteplate, fecesbook? haven't touched it ever |
| 11:23.27 | joga | I'd just use the browser I guess |
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| 11:23.32 | Jaffa | Noteplate: Have you considered a nicely tended garden as part of wiki.maemo.org? |
| 11:23.56 | Jaffa | Noteplate: Take on ownership of {{Category:HowTo}}, come up with a nice consistent template and style guide. |
| 11:26.30 | Noteplate | Scinario: your out with friends, one of them tells you about a funny video on youtube(about cats or something retarded) how would you view it? native browser? or a viewer, but then which one? you dont have time to piss about with each solution so it would of been better to know in advance, when that nice blog showed you the best client. |
| 11:26.33 | Jaffa | Noteplate: Yes, on my N900. |
| 11:27.05 | ruskie | Noteplate, youtube-dl with mplayer ;) |
| 11:27.26 | Jaffa | Noteplate: Not sure about your use case. The speed of download would be a little limiting, I think. Meaning - in that user story - the built-in browser would be best. |
| 11:28.28 | Noteplate | the blog would list things like this so end users and geeks alike would know the best way to do things |
| 11:28.48 | Noteplate | by showing the pros and cons of each way |
| 11:29.22 | Noteplate | same with facebook, the full site display images in that annoying modal box |
| 11:29.48 | Jaffa | Noteplate: Your definition of "best" may vary, of course. |
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| 11:30.17 | Noteplate | yes, but the reader would be able to tell by the review of the app within the article |
| 11:30.21 | Jaffa | Noteplate: Anyway, as I hinted, the chronological nature of a blog isn't the best taxonomy; and it'd be more useful to the community to take on a portion of the wiki.maemo.org garden, and tend it as its groundkeeper. |
| 11:30.59 | Jaffa | Noteplate: Are you going to try and be a review place as well, like my-maemo.com or other sites which just regurgitate maemo.org/downloads/? |
| 11:32.24 | Noteplate | A bit, but also like the .appstorm website particularly this: http://mac.appstorm.net/how-to/video-how-to/3-easy-steps-to-improve-youtube-on-your-mac/ |
| 11:32.48 | Noteplate | articles like that, helping n900 users do simple things in every day situations |
| 11:33.10 | Jaffa | Fantastic idea. |
| 11:33.14 | Jaffa | I still suggest the wiki |
| 11:33.22 | Noteplate | maybe "intergrate your n900 with social media" best way to upload to flickr,youtube,facebook ect |
| 11:33.28 | Jaffa | Then you don't have to worry about the name and, when you lose interest, your content isn't lost. |
| 11:34.28 | Noteplate | ok ill have a look at the wiki |
| 11:34.34 | Noteplate | my username is jackdoor |
| 11:35.07 | Noteplate | im not sure if i will use the wiki but i may |
| 11:36.36 | Jaffa | Well, if you choose not to, we'll wish you luck & send you on your way. |
| 11:36.40 | Jaffa | (IYSWIM) |
| 11:40.30 | Noteplate | thanks for the discussion guys, i think some content definatly belongs in the wiki but some may require a separate blog. Ill have a think about it at lunch |
| 11:41.32 | DocScrutinizer | ~bon appetit |
| 11:41.32 | infobot | well, bon appetit is smacznego. Guten Appetit. Eet Smakelijk. God Appetitt. Buon Appetito. Buen apetito Bom Apetite. buen apetito Smaklig måltid!. Hyvää ruokahalua. Bo Proveito Mahlzeit! |
| 11:42.16 | Noteplate | the maemo.org wiki seems to be aimed at the n810/n800 |
| 11:42.54 | DocScrutinizer51 | nope |
| 11:43.12 | DocScrutinizer51 | it's aimed at maemo devices |
| 11:43.38 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~flash |
| 11:43.38 | infobot | from memory, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 11:43.44 | Noteplate | would an entry of "how to watch tv on your n900" be acceptable |
| 11:44.38 | Jaffa | Noteplate: Of course |
| 11:44.46 | Noteplate | nice |
| 11:44.57 | DocScrutinizer51 | much appreciated |
| 11:45.27 | Jaffa | Noteplate: http://wiki.maemo.org/Category:Beginners and http://wiki.maemo.org/Tutorials seem appropriate sections to slot into |
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| 11:47.18 | Noteplate | thanks guys I've got lunch break in 10 so ill have a think and probably start work when i get home |
| 11:52.04 | Noteplate | I think I will make the blog and mirror some of the content to the wiki. As some posts would not fit into the wiki like "top 10 n900 games" or "having fun with Dj turntables for the n900" |
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| 12:08.16 | ThreeM | hmm |
| 12:08.31 | ThreeM | sometimes the mediaplaye widget stop working |
| 12:08.38 | ThreeM | only the play button |
| 12:09.01 | ThreeM | when i close the widget and open it again, a few widgets crash |
| 12:09.10 | ThreeM | any idea why? |
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| 12:13.53 | SpeedEvil | On the stock mdia player - is there a way to 'jog' - the track playing back or foward with the keyboard? |
| 12:14.11 | SpeedEvil | On a 2h program - say - it's hard to move position by under 10 mins. |
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| 12:20.21 | Jaffa | SpeedEvil: NAFAIK :-( |
| 12:20.33 | SpeedEvil | K |
| 12:20.36 | SpeedEvil | Thanks |
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| 12:23.26 | ruskie | http://www.reghardware.com/2011/06/13/review_motorola_atrix_android_smartphone/ <-- hmm "and a biometric fingerprint security pad, which doubles as the power/sleep button." mugger: "give us your phone" grab his arm... pulls finger over the reader... there unlocked... now we have it all |
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| 12:30.40 | ruskie | actually the atrix looks interesting as a netbook replacement with that dock |
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| 12:32.37 | pronto | so i use a socks5 proxy to tunnel my traffic, does anyone know of a way to get chrome to also tunnel dns traffic? |
| 12:34.51 | RST38h | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/06/13/lasercyte/ |
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| 12:43.15 | thopiekar | pronto: have you checked about:config? |
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| 12:53.40 | RST38h | ...and now, the shocker: Android does not have a core file chooser component! |
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| 12:55.14 | ruskie | RST38h, well that doesn't actually seem so weird given googles cloud tendencies |
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| 12:57.21 | Jaffa | RST38h: That's OK, neither does QML |
| 12:57.21 | pronto | oh wow, i compeley posted that in the wrong channel... |
| 12:58.19 | thopiekar | hope it helped anyways.. about:config will give you more options to change.. |
| 12:58.30 | pronto | chrome does not have an about:config |
| 12:58.47 | pronto | i know firefox has an about:config optoin for dns tunneling |
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| 13:30.39 | mgedmin | at least maemo doesn't have this problem (no emulator -> no problem) |
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| 13:34.44 | Macer | android device emulator? |
| 13:34.57 | Macer | wtf? |
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| 13:35.17 | Macer | is it just a dalvik jre? |
| 13:35.53 | mgedmin | I don't think so |
| 13:36.01 | mgedmin | it was way too slow to be just a jre |
| 13:36.11 | mgedmin | I think it emulates a CPU |
| 13:36.25 | Macer | why does it need to emulate a cpu? |
| 13:36.28 | mgedmin | beats me |
| 13:36.43 | mgedmin | can you use native code in android apps, or is it all just dalvik? |
| 13:36.56 | Macer | they released a native sdk |
| 13:37.05 | mgedmin | well then |
| 13:37.09 | Macer | i think it is called ndk or something |
| 13:37.25 | mgedmin | I base my guess on observation: I downloaded an android game and ran it in the emulator, for kicks |
| 13:37.30 | mgedmin | it was too slow to be playable |
| 13:38.22 | gri | Wasn't the android emulator just another qemu running the system? |
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| 13:56.30 | _berto_ | http://hassonybeenhackedthisweek.com/ |
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| 14:30.50 | gruinelli | Hi all |
| 14:32.05 | CaCO3 | I am trying to mount a network drive with sshfs. It works and I can see the first level of teh mounted directory, how ever I get this error on mounting: "mount: getcwd: No such file or directory". Does anybody know how to solve this? Havent found a solution in the web yet :( |
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| 15:36.41 | scoobertron | can I make it so that the terminal icon will open a new terminal even if one is open already? I know I can open a new one from within xterm, but I would prefer to use the icon to launch new terminals. |
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| 15:44.58 | Jaffa | scoobertron: Yes, but I forget how |
| 15:45.04 | Jaffa | scoobertron: Look at vim's .desktop file |
| 15:45.16 | Jaffa | scoobertron: ...and the vim.launch script |
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| 15:54.57 | scoobertron | I fixed it by adapting the solution here http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=54453 |
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| 16:15.07 | GeneralAntilles | I love Engadget: http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/13/nintendo-3ds-has-resistive-touchscreen-for-backwards-compatibili/ |
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| 16:21.37 | ruskie | rofl |
| 16:22.07 | ruskie | resistive isn't really archaic |
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| 16:30.24 | jacekowski | well, resistive is older than capacitive |
| 16:30.38 | jacekowski | but it can do some things that capacitive can't |
| 16:31.08 | jacekowski | SAW screens would be great if can be made sensitive enough to work with stylus |
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| 16:38.52 | kevloral | Hello all |
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| 16:45.22 | GeneralAntilles | ruskie: intellectual honesty is a scarce resource at Engadget.com |
| 16:45.47 | ruskie | yeah |
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| 16:51.30 | Venemo | GeneralAntilles, "intellectual" is a scarce resource at engadget.com |
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| 16:53.43 | GeneralAntilles | Venemo, no, it's filled to the brim with "intellectuals" (see the Week in Green column). :P |
| 16:53.59 | Venemo | :D |
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| 17:11.41 | fusi[n901] | how many n900 were sold? |
| 17:12.08 | SpeedEvil | 7 |
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| 17:12.24 | GeneralAntilles | fusi[n901], nobody but Nokia knows for sure. |
| 17:12.43 | fusi[n901] | just curious how large userbase is |
| 17:13.21 | petteri | quite big, I would guess |
| 17:13.29 | petteri | but getting smaller all the time |
| 17:13.32 | fusi[n901] | millions or thousands do you think |
| 17:14.12 | petteri | if those where the options i would pick the first one :) |
| 17:14.20 | GAN900 | Million, maybe. |
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| 17:15.58 | SpeedEvil | IIRC 130K was mentioned as having sold in the first few weeks by nokia |
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| 17:20.03 | fusi[n901] | blimey |
| 17:20.20 | fusi[n901] | thats a lot more than i thought |
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| 18:25.01 | CaCO3 | I am trying to mount a network drive with sshfs. It works and I can see the first level of teh mounted directory, how ever I get this error on mounting: "mount: getcwd: No such file or directory". Does anybody know how to solve this? Havent found a solution in the web yet :( |
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| 19:51.08 | RST38h | Electric cars manufactured by Nissan surreptitiously leak detailed information about a driver's location, speed and destination to websites accessed through the vehicle's built in RSS reader |
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| 19:54.11 | SpeedEvil | http://seattlewireless.net/~casey/?p=97 |
| 19:54.13 | SpeedEvil | funky |
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| 20:20.45 | *** topic/#maemo is Welcome to #maemo http://maemo.org/intro/ | http://maemo.nokia.com/ | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council | Source: http://wiki.maemo.org/Sources | Chanlog: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | PROBLEMS WITH NITDROID/MULTIBOOT? reflash rootfs&kernel aka COMBINED, and keep clear of that shit! (we're fed up with 3 user requests / day) |
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| 20:28.29 | Venemo | ~burn nvidia for making such a crappy driver |
| 20:28.30 | infobot | ACTION pours gasoline all over nvidia for making such a crappy driver, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze |
| 20:29.15 | Venemo | thank you infobot |
| 20:29.15 | infobot | Venemo: gern geschehen |
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| 20:59.27 | DocScrutinizer | o.O |
| 21:00.08 | nox- | wonders if Venemo likes fglrx better... |
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| 21:00.19 | Venemo | nox-, I hear that it is even crappier |
| 21:00.24 | nox- | right :) |
| 21:02.04 | DocScrutinizer | wonders if infobot maybe is just the smarter incarnation of apt |
| 21:02.04 | Venemo | nox-, the FOSS drivers usually work bettter, but those have _VERY_ poor 3D support |
| 21:02.12 | DocScrutinizer | tanks apt |
| 21:02.15 | nox- | yeah |
| 21:02.17 | DocScrutinizer | thanks apt |
| 21:02.26 | Venemo | apt is not here |
| 21:02.30 | DocScrutinizer | thank you apt |
| 21:02.37 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: infobot did react to apt some time ago |
| 21:02.51 | DocScrutinizer | thank you infobot |
| 21:02.51 | infobot | de rien, DocScrutinizer |
| 21:02.57 | merlin1991 | I think MohammadAG was pasting some apt lines and infobot did respond |
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| 21:03.23 | DocScrutinizer | [2011-06-13 11:54:25] <DocScrutinizer> thanks apt |
| 21:03.25 | DocScrutinizer | [2011-06-13 11:54:26] <infobot> no problem, DocScrutinizer |
| 21:03.31 | Venemo | thanks apt |
| 21:03.40 | Venemo | thanks infobot |
| 21:03.40 | infobot | Venemo: sure thing |
| 21:03.56 | Venemo | I see. |
| 21:04.26 | DocScrutinizer | [2011-06-13 11:46:44] <DocScrutinizer> thanks infobot works too? |
| 21:04.27 | DocScrutinizer | [2011-06-13 11:46:56] <mgedmin> hahaha |
| 21:04.29 | DocScrutinizer | [2011-06-13 11:46:59] <mgedmin> no |
| 21:04.30 | DocScrutinizer | [ |
| 21:05.16 | DocScrutinizer | thanks infobot works too |
| 21:05.16 | infobot | de nada, DocScrutinizer |
| 21:06.28 | DocScrutinizer | thanks infobot works too? |
| 21:06.28 | infobot | de nada, DocScrutinizer |
| 21:07.04 | DocScrutinizer | ~+uptime |
| 21:07.16 | DocScrutinizer | AHAAAA |
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| 21:08.44 | DocScrutinizer | Tim been busy again |
| 21:11.12 | *** mode/#maemo [+v infobot] by ChanServ |
| 21:11.22 | DocScrutinizer | should've known |
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| 21:19.25 | trx | does anyone here have meego installed? |
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| 21:20.20 | MohammadAG | apt-get install test |
| 21:22.00 | MohammadAG | /etc/apt/preferences.d/SomeFileNameIMadeUp.pref |
| 21:23.29 | MohammadAG | merlin1991, can't remember what triggered it |
| 21:23.35 | MohammadAG | except the whole line (from logs) |
| 21:23.37 | MohammadAG | Thank you, MohammadAG. I see that your post has several differences: "Pin-Priority" rather than "Priority", and you put it in /etc/apt/preferences rather than /etc/apt/preferences.d/SomeFileNameIMadeUp.pref I'll just try it your way to make sure it works first, and then later on see what things I can modify without breaking things. |
| 21:24.22 | MohammadAG | retarded bot, http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2011-04-26.log.html#t2011-04-26T02:07:21 |
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| 21:28.35 | mer_ge | so I'm in the middle of getting SIP over VPN to work and have one little question: with mc-tool I have to set a the local-ip-address value manually after VPN-connection |
| 21:29.04 | mer_ge | Is there a way to automatically always obtain the current local IP address and use it in a script? |
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| 21:31.46 | mer_ge | i mean, openvpn displays the IP address in the connection details for example. I just want to use that value instead of looking it up and modifying my script :) |
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| 22:22.27 | Macer | hm |
| 22:22.55 | Macer | anybody know where i can get n900 parts? |
| 22:23.04 | Macer | i cant seem to find a new keypad |
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| 22:28.16 | dangergrrl | is there a trick to getting plastic screen protectors on with no bubbles? |
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| 22:29.36 | mer_ge | dangergrrl I got best results when doing it quick |
| 22:30.34 | dangergrrl | Macer: i have seen it discussed here before i think if you wait a while someone who knows may answer :) |
| 22:32.03 | dangergrrl | i just got a 3 pack of them in, like <$5 including shipping from amazon/TDC Direct |
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| 22:32.32 | user0 | hmm |
| 22:32.45 | user0 | does flashing the device use that much battery ? |
| 22:33.08 | dangergrrl | actually, Macer you may want to try google with site:http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog |
| 22:33.13 | user0 | does it really need to be full? |
| 22:33.33 | dangergrrl | the discussion i remember was about a replacement screen if that helps |
| 22:34.46 | dangergrrl | user0: probably does not but would you risk bricking a $500 device over impatience? |
| 22:35.54 | user0 | i dont see any risk to be honest |
| 22:36.13 | user0 | and i got it for 320 :P |
| 22:36.17 | user0 | but still im gona wait |
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| 22:37.09 | Macer | a 3 pack? |
| 22:37.10 | dangergrrl | i paid $350, darn :) |
| 22:37.12 | Macer | of keypads? |
| 22:37.19 | dangergrrl | no screen protectors |
| 22:37.35 | dangergrrl | inserts a comma |
| 22:38.35 | mer_ge | so noone uses sip over vpn here by accident |
| 22:39.01 | dangergrrl | but someone here did find a replacement screen i am pretty sure and it will be in the logs i linked, or you could just wait and see if someone who knows notices you |
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| 23:00.01 | Macer | dangergrrl: i am looking for a replacement keypad |
| 23:00.08 | Macer | mine has the paint fading off it |
| 23:00.11 | Macer | looks ghetto |
| 23:00.20 | Macer | i already have screen protectors |
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| 23:04.02 | user0 | any defualt lock code? |
| 23:04.14 | user0 | just flashed the device, and its asking me for a lock code |
| 23:04.24 | user0 | this is the first time it asks for one |
| 23:07.16 | NIN101 | 12345 |
| 23:07.48 | user0 | didnt work |
| 23:08.03 | user0 | along with 0000 00000 54321 123456789 |
| 23:08.19 | user0 | i just flashed it |
| 23:08.37 | user0 | and was expecting the welcome screen as stated on the wiki |
| 23:08.49 | user0 | but now its asking for a lock code |
| 23:08.56 | user0 | it never did before |
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| 23:12.49 | jacekowski | user0: flash it again |
| 23:13.00 | jacekowski | but hmm |
| 23:13.08 | NIN101 | this is strange |
| 23:13.11 | jacekowski | it looks like it was locked before you flashed |
| 23:13.42 | user0 | i've turned it on and off many times before flashing |
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| 23:14.01 | user0 | its safe to turn off the device and unplug it atm , correct? |
| 23:14.11 | user0 | the flashing is done since its asking for thus a thing? |
| 23:14.27 | user0 | such* |
| 23:14.29 | MohammadAG | jacekowski, doesn't matter |
| 23:14.38 | MohammadAG | the lock code only pops up if a certain gconf key is true |
| 23:14.59 | MohammadAG | since gconf values are stored in /var, they're lost after a reflash |
| 23:15.02 | MohammadAG | so yeah, flash again |
| 23:15.36 | user0 | i'll give it a try |
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| 23:27.08 | user0 | didnt work |
| 23:29.09 | user0 | any suggestions people? |
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| 23:36.15 | user0 | so its not possible to remove the lock code? |
| 23:37.10 | user0 | possible to access the terminal remotely at this point? |
| 23:37.15 | nox- | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=524522#post524522 |
| 23:37.20 | nox- | saved that link once |
| 23:37.24 | user0 | without any software installed since its been flashed |
| 23:37.31 | nox- | (didnt have to test it yet :) |
| 23:37.36 | user0 | ok, let me check it |
| 23:38.14 | user0 | ty but i've found that already |
| 23:38.31 | user0 | its just that i cant install anything on it since i cant even get to the desktop |
| 23:38.40 | user0 | its just boots up and asks for a lock code after flashing it |
| 23:38.55 | user0 | MohammadAG : if you're still there , flashing it twice didnt help |
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| 23:45.04 | user0 | you guys think i should use another image? |
| 23:45.13 | user0 | like an older one for example? |
| 23:46.05 | jacekowski | user0: you can modify cal from bootloaders |
| 23:46.11 | jacekowski | bootloader* |
| 23:46.22 | jacekowski | but, after flash it should worka |
| 23:46.29 | jacekowski | user0: what are you flashing |
| 23:46.49 | user0 | an n900 with RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin |
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| 23:47.10 | jacekowski | try flashing emmc as well |
| 23:47.23 | user0 | was using flasher-3.5.exe -F RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R |
| 23:47.39 | user0 | now i used flasher-3.5.exe -F RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f |
| 23:48.01 | user0 | its taking longer now |
| 23:48.02 | jacekowski | flash emmc first |
| 23:48.19 | jacekowski | or whatever |
| 23:48.25 | jacekowski | just flash them both |
| 23:48.32 | user0 | this is the 3rd time |
| 23:48.57 | user0 | jacekowski : normal to take longer if flashing the emmc? |
| 23:49.15 | jacekowski | you need separate image for emmc |
| 23:49.18 | jacekowski | that's just rootfs you have |
| 23:49.44 | user0 | :S |
| 23:50.35 | user0 | i can remove the cable when flasher-3.5.exe closes after saying that flashing is done , correct? |
| 23:52.24 | user0 | jacekowski : where do i get the image for the emmc? |
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| 23:52.55 | jacekowski | same place where you got rootfs image |
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| 23:53.13 | jacekowski | user0: you have to flash both images without restarting phone |
| 23:53.17 | jacekowski | first rootfs then emmc |
| 23:53.23 | jacekowski | without rebooting or anything |
| 23:53.36 | Hurrian | keep 2 terminal windows open |
| 23:53.45 | Hurrian | the dots actually appear after flashing rootfs |
| 23:54.11 | Hurrian | hit enter as soon as the other window completes flashing |
| 23:54.25 | jacekowski | no need for that |
| 23:54.30 | jacekowski | just don't reboot |
| 23:54.47 | Hurrian | yeah, should probably mention that battery pull is no longer necessary |
| 23:55.00 | Hurrian | who even suggested that? |
| 23:55.04 | user0 | RX-51_2009SE_1.2009.41-1.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin? |
| 23:55.07 | jacekowski | user0: yes |
| 23:57.10 | user0 | now i need to enter the damn IMEI again on nokia's site |
| 23:57.55 | user0 | i didnt know i need another image to flash the emmc |
| 23:57.59 | user0 | i just removed the -R |
| 23:58.24 | user0 | what's gona be another problem ? |
| 23:58.31 | user0 | that's* |