| 00:02.26 | ShadowJK | whoah |
| 00:02.34 | ShadowJK | youtube just gave me a Nokia E7 add |
| 00:02.35 | ShadowJK | ad* |
| 00:02.55 | ShadowJK | Too bad it was in dutch (I don't understand dutch), and the audio was fucked |
| 00:02.56 | DocScrutinizer | meh, scratch the ad, and it becomes some news |
| 00:02.59 | DocScrutinizer | :-) |
| 00:03.18 | ShadowJK | It's always news when Nokia Marketing actually does something :P |
| 00:03.31 | SpeedEvil | Twitter - check trends. |
| 00:03.45 | DocScrutinizer | again that word >:-( |
| 00:03.47 | SpeedEvil | http://twitter.com/#!/MsDeadFolx/status/79657953673744385 - was a comment to it that amused me |
| 00:03.59 | DocScrutinizer | and an URL, GRRRR ;-) |
| 00:04.16 | nox- | non-user-replaceable battery... |
| 00:04.33 | ShadowJK | "I keep thinking the #PinkisFreedom trend says, #Penisfreedom" |
| 00:04.43 | ShadowJK | "Retweeted by melliti_oussama and 4 others" |
| 00:04.51 | DocScrutinizer | I defintely won't click on any twitter URL a third time, just to find it shows a blank page after 20s of loading stuff |
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| 00:05.26 | SpeedEvil | okia Nokia 120 Retweets Pinkify your Facebook with the new #PinkN8 app! http://nokia.ly/kxHGx6 #pinkisfreedom |
| 00:06.30 | DocScrutinizer | dunks, screams, and runs direction tmo for shelter |
| 00:07.13 | DocScrutinizer | ducks even |
| 00:07.32 | SpeedEvil | It's in celebration of the N8 being available in hot pink |
| 00:07.51 | DocScrutinizer | thoughtasmuch |
| 00:08.10 | DocScrutinizer | starts to praise abill_uk |
| 00:08.30 | nox- | remembers a female geek that had pink cat5 cables... |
| 00:09.06 | nox- | (or maybe still has :) |
| 00:09.34 | DocScrutinizer | I always thought tmo can't be topped. twitter does that hands down, and NOW IT ENTERS IRC, WAAAHHH |
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| 00:11.32 | DocScrutinizer | pink patchcables are geeky though, for girls :-) |
| 00:12.40 | ShadowJK | what colour would your crossover cables be, to match the pink patch cables |
| 00:12.44 | DocScrutinizer | I prefer the glowing variant, where one end shines up when you hold a small flashlight to the other end |
| 00:12.54 | nox- | heh |
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| 00:16.46 | cehteh | nox-: http://boingboing.net/2010/03/24/where-bling-and-cabl.html |
| 00:17.07 | nox- | hehe |
| 00:17.23 | cehteh | also available as usb, firewire and many more :P |
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| 00:18.39 | cehteh | just do a image search on google: bling pink cables |
| 00:21.11 | SpeedEvil | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/USB-A-IPOD-DOCKING-GLOWING-CABLE-LIGHTSNAKE-/270680225820?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f05cc781c |
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| 00:27.23 | DocScrutinizer | http://www.patchsee-solution.com/de/DE-463?gclid=COysms-Nr6kCFRSVzAodESYOKA |
| 00:32.12 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: so my answer is obvious: black cables with small red applications at the ends, plus a flashlight tol modded to have MOAR POWER and blue |
| 00:34.38 | SpeedEvil | is making a teeny flashlight. |
| 00:34.54 | SpeedEvil | Sort of like one of those two li-ion button cell ones. |
| 00:35.07 | SpeedEvil | two lithium coin cell and a 5mm LED |
| 00:35.34 | SpeedEvil | But with a 150mAh li-ion cell and a 3W LED. |
| 00:43.43 | GeneralAntilles | chuckles at CNN comments. |
| 00:43.46 | GeneralAntilles | Oh the darlings. |
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| 01:55.00 | DocScrutinizer | ~seen vdvsx |
| 01:55.03 | infobot | vdvsx <~Valerio@Maemo/community/contributor/VDVsx> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 117d 7h 22m 47s ago, saying: 'sivang, link is somewhere above'. |
| 01:57.29 | DocScrutinizer | whistles funeral march and looks at /msg chanserv #maemo-devel list and number of users/traffic |
| 01:58.06 | DocScrutinizer | GeneralAntilles: like a glass of vodka? |
| 01:59.08 | GeneralAntilles | Polishing off a glass of sangiovese at the moment. |
| 01:59.38 | DocScrutinizer | cheers to all the dead channels then |
| 02:00.13 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 02:00.16 | GeneralAntilles | Long, slow fall. |
| 02:00.21 | GeneralAntilles | Fingers crossed for the 21st. |
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| 02:08.55 | SpeedEvil | http://www.mauve.plus.com/t/plot.png |
| 02:09.07 | SpeedEvil | Smoothed average of maemo traffic over the last little while |
| 02:09.10 | SpeedEvil | lines/day |
| 02:09.57 | SpeedEvil | All-time peak in Dec 10 at 6k, now rising close to that since a lull |
| 02:12.05 | SpeedEvil | Err - ignore that |
| 02:12.08 | Ken-Young | Is the new peak all N-9 speculation? |
| 02:12.33 | SpeedEvil | That is traffic * my network-shittiness. |
| 02:13.02 | SpeedEvil | As it only restarts a log when I reconnect - I thought it split by days too |
| 02:14.14 | SpeedEvil | There isn't an easy one-liner to fix the graph, so I'm not going to bother. |
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| 02:45.49 | GAN900 | SpeedEvil, weak sauce. |
| 02:45.59 | GAN900 | We're all let down now. |
| 02:47.19 | DocScrutinizer | haha |
| 02:47.52 | DocScrutinizer | suggests going for filesize of http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog |
| 02:49.59 | SpeedEvil | aha |
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| 02:50.27 | SpeedEvil | http://www.mauve.plus.com/t/plot.png |
| 02:50.28 | DocScrutinizer | a pity it's not showing filesize directly |
| 02:50.34 | SpeedEvil | Monthly lines |
| 02:50.54 | SpeedEvil | (with this month multipled by 3) |
| 02:52.08 | DocScrutinizer | is that zero for 11/04 now? |
| 02:52.21 | SpeedEvil | no |
| 02:52.37 | DocScrutinizer | oh, 20k |
| 02:52.59 | SpeedEvil | excluding joins/parts |
| 02:53.09 | DocScrutinizer | \o/ |
| 02:54.00 | DocScrutinizer | is cursing missing burger stash in fridge |
| 02:55.26 | SpeedEvil | For various reasons, I've gone with keeping 6 months of food. |
| 02:55.36 | DocScrutinizer | you got similar stats for e.g. #meego(-arm)? |
| 02:55.52 | SpeedEvil | Disruption of income, plus I can't have a really good idea and blow money on it. |
| 02:56.05 | SpeedEvil | No - that was just awk + my local logs |
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| 02:57.03 | DocScrutinizer | gotta get some beef, *now* |
| 02:57.05 | DocScrutinizer | o/ |
| 02:57.57 | SpeedEvil | needs to do an electronic inventory. I think I have abut 6Kg of beefburger, and 2Kg of roasting joint |
| 03:22.47 | GAN900 | SpeedEvil, fresh food works better for me. |
| 03:23.03 | GAN900 | I don't do well at "Use up what's in storage" |
| 03:24.22 | SpeedEvil | GAN900: I mean stuff like pasta and flour and oil and bacon - stuff that's going to be quite edible for 6 months, and I'm unlikely to stop eating. |
| 03:24.49 | GAN900 | Ah, yeah. |
| 03:25.10 | GAN900 | I tend to stock up on such when it goes buy-one-get-one. |
| 03:25.30 | SpeedEvil | Recently got 26Kg of pasta, as it was half price. |
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| 03:25.35 | SpeedEvil | Which helps too. |
| 03:28.54 | GAN900 | Cooking for one is still the worst, though. |
| 03:29.31 | SpeedEvil | yeah. Hence my other defence - cooking _massive pots of delicious stuff, and portioning it. |
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| 03:31.53 | GAN900 | I never bother to freeze cooked stuff. So it usually means three days of eating the same thing. |
| 03:32.08 | Termana | good morning |
| 03:32.27 | fusi[n900] | spent all night trying to get libpurple-twitter-protocol working |
| 03:33.02 | fusi[n900] | some dood called mikage has an oauth version 0.8.0 |
| 03:33.16 | fusi[n900] | trying to hack it into compiling |
| 03:33.20 | fusi[n900] | in esbox :x |
| 03:34.57 | GAN900 | There's no libdouche? |
| 03:35.21 | GAN900 | I'm incredibly disappointed by the open source community. |
| 03:35.35 | fusi[n900] | mm? |
| 03:37.09 | fusi[n900] | waah nvm time for a reefa then bed o/ |
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| 03:53.48 | DocScrutinizer | all hail to B-52's party mix!! |
| 03:54.25 | SpeedEvil | GAN900: But if you do it right, that's 3 (or 15) days spread out at one a week |
| 03:55.26 | DocScrutinizer | (stil pondering if hunger or 11°C is worse ;-P) |
| 03:56.42 | DocScrutinizer | so please stop talking food or I'll gonna shake |
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| 08:41.59 | lardman | morning Venemo |
| 08:42.05 | Venemo | morning lardman |
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| 08:52.27 | hiemanshu | morning Venemo lardman |
| 08:52.37 | Venemo | hey hiemanshu :) |
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| 09:24.23 | lardman | If you have a Boolean expression broken down into a tree structure, can one economise on finding the element states knowing the exact Boolean conditions |
| 09:24.52 | lardman | yes is the answer, but it means evaluating the state of each child element individually and then using that to save evaluating the next one |
| 09:25.14 | lardman | hmm, sorry for the noise, started making sense when I started writing it down |
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| 09:30.54 | lardman | is XOR useful for Proximus? |
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| 10:07.11 | lardman | right onto rules and how they should be conveyed to the proximus daemon |
| 10:07.29 | lardman | I'm thinking DBus for the comms, as that will also allow external apps to easily use the service |
| 10:07.53 | lardman | in terms of the rules: textual rules like SQL statements is my first thought |
| 10:07.55 | lardman | any other ideas? |
| 10:09.23 | lardman | wonders about shortcuts to parser writing and establishing a syntax |
| 10:12.58 | RST38h | lardman: What would you like to parse? |
| 10:15.04 | lardman | RST38h: rules |
| 10:15.08 | lardman | ;) |
| 10:15.14 | lardman | hang on a tick let me find the link |
| 10:15.38 | lardman | http://wiki.maemo.org/Proximus |
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| 10:16.26 | lardman | also need to establish names of conditions (like wifi_connected) and also allow users to provide their own |
| 10:16.36 | RST38h | lardman:Ok, first hint: you do not want syntax that will require your parser to back up and reconsider. |
| 10:16.43 | lardman | either via DBus commands, or by providing plugins |
| 10:16.54 | lardman | ok |
| 10:17.26 | lardman | I should be able to split everything out using brackets for the grouping, then split on boolean operators |
| 10:17.29 | RST38h | lardman: Second hint: const char *SkipWS(const char *P), const char *Match(const char *P,const char *Word), const char *GetInt(const char *P,int *N) |
| 10:17.47 | RST38h | lardman: And your parse will look like this: |
| 10:17.59 | RST38h | const char *Parse(const char *P) { |
| 10:18.10 | RST38h | P = P? SkipWS(P):0; |
| 10:18.20 | RST38h | P = P? Match(P,"keyword"):0; |
| 10:18.32 | RST38h | P = P? GetInt(P,&Arg):0; |
| 10:18.33 | RST38h | ... |
| 10:18.39 | RST38h | return(!!P); |
| 10:18.55 | RST38h | Am I making myself clear? =) |
| 10:18.59 | lardman | hmm |
| 10:19.01 | lardman | ;) |
| 10:19.08 | lardman | I will sit down and have a look at that |
| 10:19.44 | RST38h | Basically, you want todevelop a bunch of functions that match keywors and extract args |
| 10:19.45 | lardman | I'm hopful that the parsing should be quite simple, as it will require brackets and Boolean ops to break up things |
| 10:19.51 | lardman | yes |
| 10:19.57 | RST38h | Andthen use them in a simple linear fashion I have shown above |
| 10:20.08 | RST38h | So that it stays very clear and easy tomodify |
| 10:20.10 | lardman | sounds like a sound plan |
| 10:20.20 | RST38h | Well, it worked for me, multiple times. |
| 10:21.00 | lardman | ok, so what about using brackets for grouping and to contain fn arguments? |
| 10:21.10 | lardman | same brackets, or would I be wise to use different ones? |
| 10:21.25 | RST38h | goes like this: |
| 10:22.09 | RST38h | const char *Parse(const char *Text,const char *Terminators) |
| 10:22.24 | RST38h | when you encounter a bracket, you do this: |
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| 10:23.49 | RST38h | if(*P=='[') { P=Parse(P+1,"]");P = P? P+1:0; } |
| 10:24.01 | RST38h | I.e. your parser becomes recursive |
| 10:24.30 | RST38h | Upper level gets called as Parse(Text,0) (i.e. no additional terminating symbols to match) |
| 10:25.09 | lardman | ok |
| 10:25.21 | RST38h | Same goesfor all other types of brackets |
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| 10:26.00 | lardman | wonders if Qt has a parser inbuilt already |
| 10:26.02 | RST38h | Shit, can I somehow develop for Android *without* Eclipse???? |
| 10:26.12 | RST38h | lardman: hehehe |
| 10:26.30 | lardman | has to go to a midwife's appointment, bbl to continue |
| 10:26.45 | Hurrian | RST38h: read up on what functions are still not removed in Bionic |
| 10:27.01 | RST38h | What is Bionic? |
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| 10:27.39 | Hurrian | the replacement for glibc |
| 10:28.41 | jacekowski | it's google incompatible libc |
| 10:33.10 | ZogG | is away: going for few weeks to army |
| 10:33.33 | RST38h | is moreconcerned about how tocompile the damn project |
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| 11:58.55 | achipa | MohammadAG: pong (sry, summer parties + metal festivals lead to a lot of lag) |
| 11:59.20 | achipa | (morning everyone !) |
| 11:59.38 | lcuk | \o |
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| 12:23.56 | Shapeshifter | In marble, what's the left-most button of those 4 good for? the one with 3 roads and an 'i' in the middle. It's always greyed out. Also, how can I most easily send my gps coordinates via sms? |
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| 12:40.28 | gri | Can I install CSSU in the scratchbox or will it damage my environment? |
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| 12:50.47 | kerio | gri: hold on, why can't you just copy it? |
| 12:51.21 | gri | kerio: You mean compiling everything myself? |
| 12:51.28 | kerio | no, i mean |
| 12:51.34 | kerio | what's your scratchbox environment? |
| 12:51.36 | kerio | isn't it a VM? |
| 12:51.43 | gri | It is |
| 12:52.07 | kerio | so copy it |
| 12:52.09 | gri | I just wanted to ask if anyone ever tried before wasting time |
| 12:52.11 | kerio | and try to install cssu |
| 12:52.19 | lcuk | Info Notice: Next week, the MeeGo N900 Community edition will be testing direct import of Maemo contacts |
| 12:52.59 | lcuk | so testing meego for day to day use will be much easier since all your favourite people will be on the device :) |
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| 13:25.08 | fusi[n901] | yawn |
| 13:27.24 | fusi[n901] | http://twitpic.com/5adya1 |
| 13:28.08 | SpeedEvil | Another twitter client? |
| 13:28.59 | fusi[n901] | no just trrying to get the ibpurple pluginn working |
| 13:29.14 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 13:29.41 | fusi[n901] | :) |
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| 13:49.51 | lardman | what would be the normal way of triggering some event on the 2nd of every month? |
| 13:50.03 | lardman | within an application written using Qt |
| 13:51.11 | lardman | apparently a QTimer can last ~24 days, so doing weekly events is doable, but things longer than that would presumably use some sort of shorter timer which resets itself as it gets closer? |
| 13:51.19 | lcuk | lardman, does Qt have signals/slots for the female menstrual cycle? |
| 13:51.24 | lardman | like the 770's timer iirc which couldn't even manage 24h |
| 13:51.39 | lardman | lcuk: I thought that was like 28 days?! |
| 13:52.12 | lcuk | lardman, <pmt> IT CAN BE AS LONG AS I SAY IT CAN BE! </pmt> |
| 13:52.15 | lardman | anyway any thoughts? |
| 13:52.31 | lcuk | when I asked about similar, isn't there the shell script "at" command |
| 13:52.41 | lcuk | but I heard it was not implemented on maemo |
| 13:52.50 | lardman | well there's crond too |
| 13:52.54 | lcuk | I have in the past just had an app running |
| 13:53.06 | lcuk | with an icon in the thing near the clock |
| 13:53.25 | lcuk | and a sleep 1hr/check the date |
| 13:53.45 | lcuk | speaking of which, I need to fix liqcalendar |
| 13:53.45 | lardman | yeah I guess I'll have to do something like that |
| 13:54.36 | lcuk | lardman, problem with that is |
| 13:54.42 | lcuk | if user closes it |
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| 13:55.01 | lardman | if they close it that's fine as it needs to be left running |
| 13:55.11 | fusi[n901] | lardman: cron? |
| 13:55.12 | lcuk | that is the point |
| 13:55.13 | lardman | and if they shut it down they obviously don't want the functionality |
| 13:55.31 | lardman | fusi[n901]: yeah |
| 13:55.34 | lcuk | would hope the functionality would be sustained |
| 13:55.41 | lcuk | just closing window |
| 13:55.50 | lardman | this is a daemon |
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| 13:55.57 | lardman | so they would have to kill it explicitly |
| 13:55.58 | lcuk | then that is ok |
| 13:56.15 | lcuk | is this the windows/linux app? |
| 13:56.16 | fusi[n901] | ah ye u said crond yer |
| 13:56.18 | lcuk | or specifically maemo |
| 13:56.36 | lardman | the interesting point then becomes whether to start a single timer for each event, or to use some timer which is a factor of the desired timers |
| 13:57.01 | fusi[n901] | id use asingle timer |
| 13:57.06 | fusi[n901] | less resiurce |
| 13:57.08 | lardman | lcuk: maemo |
| 13:57.32 | fusi[n901] | but im not a Dr :p |
| 13:57.57 | lardman | fusi[n901]: well I am, and I'm asking too :) |
| 13:58.29 | fusi[n901] | hehe |
| 13:58.38 | lardman | to use a single timer which is e.g. a daily (assuming I have both daily, weekly and monthly events) would make the logic more complex |
| 13:59.00 | lardman | but that's trading off against the extra resource use of timer per event |
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| 13:59.11 | fusi[n901] | could wrap it |
| 13:59.16 | lardman | probably best to go with the easiest case first |
| 13:59.28 | fusi[n901] | kiss eh |
| 13:59.33 | lardman | fusi[n901]: sure, but Qt probably does that already anyway |
| 13:59.55 | fusi[n901] | fair point |
| 14:00.30 | fusi[n901] | rightio |
| 14:00.48 | fusi[n901] | time for me tocrack on with this oauth |
| 14:00.52 | fusi[n901] | toodlepip |
| 14:00.58 | lardman | cu :) |
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| 14:02.09 | MoonTiger | hi guys |
| 14:02.36 | MoonTiger | does anyone know how to get the damn signond service running on the sbox env? |
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| 14:30.37 | MoonTiger | ok i give up ... trying to develop for maemo absolutely sucks |
| 14:30.53 | MoonTiger | what a bunch of complete fucking idiots nokia are |
| 14:30.59 | MoonTiger | outty |
| 14:33.35 | GeneralAntilles | lol |
| 14:33.37 | lardman | oh |
| 14:33.49 | lardman | Well he's not tried developing for Meego yet |
| 14:34.03 | lardman | and from what RST38h says Android is a step worse even than that |
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| 14:41.09 | lardman | I quite fancy a croissant |
| 14:41.17 | lardman | slightly ot I know |
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| 14:58.18 | FIQ | Hi. There's info missing in the maemo SDK install page - the scratchbox shell script also requires you to specify a path for scratchbox to be installed to. |
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| 15:01.42 | Ikarus | FIQ: it's a wiki, fix it :) |
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| 15:33.05 | SpeedEvil | Wacky. |
| 15:33.16 | SpeedEvil | I just got a banner ad from nokia pointing me to a n900 on contract |
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| 15:33.41 | SpeedEvil | http://www.nokiadirect.co.uk/Pay-Monthly/sc521/p26078.htm |
| 15:34.28 | lcuk | :D |
| 15:35.00 | SpeedEvil | I think it's a cockup, not reality though |
| 15:35.09 | SpeedEvil | It does say in-stock on the page - but ... |
| 15:35.12 | lcuk | shame, I need to get luke a new phone soon |
| 15:35.26 | fusi[n901] | wtf |
| 15:35.42 | fusi[n901] | i hope it is a cockup |
| 15:35.59 | fusi[n901] | bought this simfree only couple of months ago |
| 15:36.09 | fusi[n901] | 300quid |
| 15:36.18 | fusi[n901] | and im on tmob |
| 15:36.23 | fusi[n901] | and due an upgrade |
| 15:36.37 | fusi[n901] | tried to get b4 but there were none anywhere |
| 15:37.04 | fusi[n901] | took me ages to find one on theorder.co.uk as clearance |
| 15:37.56 | jacekowski | why? |
| 15:38.06 | jacekowski | mine cost the same |
| 15:38.10 | jacekowski | £25/month |
| 15:38.15 | jacekowski | on shitty tmobile |
| 15:38.37 | SpeedEvil | It's not showing any more. |
| 15:38.43 | SpeedEvil | On the nokia shop |
| 15:38.50 | SpeedEvil | (not the nokia direct site) |
| 15:39.21 | fusi[n901] | nokiadirect is a sort of frontend i guess |
| 15:40.22 | FIQ | hmm |
| 15:40.26 | fusi[n901] | mmm |
| 15:40.32 | FIQ | just wondering, what is vdso exactly? |
| 15:40.46 | FIQ | the maemo SDK didn't work if i didn't put vdso32=0 as boot option |
| 15:40.50 | fusi[n901] | a nasty infection i hear |
| 15:40.50 | FIQ | but what IS it? |
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| 15:41.00 | fusi[n901] | :p |
| 15:41.06 | FIQ | (x86_64, that is) |
| 15:41.11 | fusi[n901] | nfi soz |
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| 15:43.27 | fusi[n901] | waaah dead batt |
| 15:43.37 | fusi[n901] | o/ x |
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| 16:30.23 | FireFly | Hm, trying to reflash my N900, but I'm gettitng the "Unable to enumerate USB buses!" error from flasher. I've blacklisted cdc_phonet and rmmoded it (since it was already loaded), but this doesn't seem to help. Are there any other possible causes for this message? |
| 16:30.58 | SpeedEvil | you're root? |
| 16:31.02 | FireFly | Yup |
| 16:31.15 | SpeedEvil | And you've plugged it directly in, not a hub? |
| 16:31.18 | SpeedEvil | Some have reported issues |
| 16:31.20 | FireFly | Hm |
| 16:31.32 | FireFly | Directly plugged in, though it's plugged to a USB3 port, I just realised.. |
| 16:31.37 | FireFly | Let me try a USB2 one |
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| 16:32.32 | FireFly | Nope, same message |
| 16:33.23 | FireFly | Nope, same message |
| 16:33.33 | FireFly | oops, up+enter in wrong window.. |
| 16:34.48 | SpeedEvil | I assume you've googled the error? |
| 16:35.31 | FireFly | Yeah, I did. Only found references to the cdc_phonet module and libusb being outdated |
| 16:35.43 | FireFly | It seems my libusb is up-to-date at least |
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| 16:35.48 | SpeedEvil | Sorry - no great ideas - it's always just worked for me. |
| 16:36.09 | SpeedEvil | You could post your n900 to me with a stamped addressed envelope, I'd flash it, and return it. :) |
| 16:36.44 | FireFly | I think I'll try flashing it from some other computer instead, that'd probably be cheaper.. :P |
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| 16:41.50 | _trine | FireFly, I dont want to state the obvious but you have kept the 'u' key pressed when you boot the n900 havent you? |
| 16:42.01 | FireFly | I did |
| 16:42.33 | _trine | do you see the usb icon in the top righthand corner of the n900 |
| 16:42.57 | FireFly | Yep, seems to be there |
| 16:43.20 | _trine | well that means its waiting for the flasher |
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| 16:44.03 | FireFly | Huh, apparently running flasher after it's in flasher-waiting mode seems to work |
| 16:44.09 | FireFly | Hopefully I didn't screw anything up |
| 16:44.26 | _trine | well that should be it |
| 16:44.43 | _trine | sudo /usr/bin/flasher-3.5 -F <firmware-image> -f -R |
| 16:45.11 | _trine | or there is a different methos for using on a 64 bit computer |
| 16:45.18 | _trine | method* |
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| 16:47.06 | DocScrutinizer | ~flash |
| 16:47.07 | infobot | i heard flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 16:47.47 | _trine | flashes but his zip gets stuck :P |
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| 17:01.56 | DocScrutinizer | I'd like to know which funny fool started to call the content of a linux rootfs "firmware" |
| 17:02.56 | GAN900 | Blurring the lines. |
| 17:03.45 | _trine | DocScrutinizer, probably people like me who flash routers |
| 17:03.52 | DocScrutinizer | indeed |
| 17:05.11 | DocScrutinizer | one of the criteria of firmware is that it's impossible to alter it by user except for using a special flasher(-device). Evidently the N900 can alter his own "firmware" without needing special means |
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| 17:06.06 | _trine | well my routers are an halfway house in that respect |
| 17:06.41 | _trine | insomuch as you flash the firmware and it then creates rootfs_data |
| 17:06.55 | DocScrutinizer | I'd happily call NOLO and cal firmware code and config data |
| 17:08.24 | DocScrutinizer | maybe tht's been unparsable |
| 17:08.44 | DocScrutinizer | NOLO and cal I'd happily call firmware code and config data |
| 17:10.18 | _trine | well we haven't heard any screams of anguish so FireFly must have succeeded |
| 17:10.32 | DocScrutinizer | obviously cmt has a firmware by all metrics |
| 17:10.33 | FireFly | Indeed |
| 17:10.44 | FireFly | Thanks for the help btw |
| 17:10.50 | _trine | np |
| 17:12.03 | _trine | I only operate on extremely low level problems |
| 17:12.06 | _trine | :) |
| 17:12.16 | DocScrutinizer | and iirc our rootfs *has* firmware for WLAN and BT chip |
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| 17:20.32 | DocScrutinizer | wow, the guy minting the title of that article was really ahead of his time regarding nomenclature ;-) >>Opler, Ascher: Fourth-Generation Software. In: Datamation. 13, Nr. 1, Januar 1967<< |
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| 18:19.37 | khertan | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:19.40 | khertan | grrrr |
| 18:20.05 | Sc0rpius | hehe :) |
| 18:20.06 | khertan | Hello |
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| 18:23.07 | Monty | hey |
| 18:23.34 | Monty | testing it over my NDS |
| 18:24.15 | khertan | not so bad ... dev palm pré : 277,227409 euros |
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| 18:27.13 | FIQ | can anyone tell me if i can shut off the automaticilly-checking-for-updates thing? |
| 18:27.16 | FIQ | it's really annoying |
| 18:27.43 | bindi | I read about this |
| 18:27.49 | bindi | apparently you cant, but you can change the interval |
| 18:29.00 | bindi | gconftool -s --type int /apps/hildon/update-notifier/check_interval <seconds> |
| 18:29.01 | FIQ | oh |
| 18:29.09 | FIQ | changing it to every century seems fair |
| 18:29.18 | FIQ | once every century* |
| 18:29.20 | MohammadAG | just remove the applet |
| 18:30.03 | MohammadAG | removing the applet disables the check |
| 18:31.09 | FIQ | and the applet is named...? |
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| 18:36.17 | DocScrutinizer | FIQ: see customizing_maemo wikipage |
| 18:37.24 | DocScrutinizer | I think removing applets indiscriminately isn't recommended |
| 18:38.14 | FIQ | Well, I just incerased it |
| 18:38.23 | DocScrutinizer | you might face side effects you can't relate to the applet removal and you won't know how to deal with those |
| 18:38.40 | FIQ | the check time, i mean |
| 18:38.44 | FIQ | to 8640000 (didn't know it readed in minutes at first) |
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| 18:42.45 | DocScrutinizer | please check the wiki page - there's some upper value that mustn't get exceeded |
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| 18:47.19 | FIQ | i know it's an int, it is specified in the command |
| 18:47.37 | FIQ | and i take that as it is an 32-bit signed int |
| 18:47.49 | FIQ | and i seems to be correct, when i checked the wiki |
| 18:50.24 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, signed is one of the keywords, plus I seem to recall the applet and system blowing chunks on some arbitrary upper limit exceeded - I might be wrong |
| 18:52.11 | DocScrutinizer | there also might be issues this int being represented binary coded decimal somewhere, so sth like a max of 9999 for a value of bitsize sufficient for 32768... whatever, you'll see |
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| 18:55.06 | DocScrutinizer | in tech speak we call this 4.5 digits |
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| 19:12.53 | MohammadAG | gives KDE a try, Gnome sucks on Ubuntu 11.04 |
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| 19:13.47 | RST38h | Moo all |
| 19:15.59 | MohammadAG | also I love ubuntu forums, rm -rf ~/.gconf2/apps/whatever was posted as rm -rf ~/ .gconf |
| 19:16.14 | MohammadAG | luckily I noticed the space and CTRL^C'd quickly, I'm guessing I lost some stuff though |
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| 19:16.20 | MohammadAG | moo RST38h |
| 19:16.41 | RST38h | nice advice! |
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| 19:20.28 | lardman | MohammadAG: how's KDE then? |
| 19:23.11 | hiemanshu | KDE is awesome |
| 19:23.37 | hiemanshu | only problem with KDE, they haven't fixed the KWin, Intel issue, so it won't run on my desktop :/ |
| 19:23.46 | hiemanshu | s/desktop/laptop/ |
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| 19:38.37 | MohammadAG | lardman, seems fun to use |
| 19:38.45 | MohammadAG | transitions are quite neat |
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| 19:42.29 | lardman | does that require something to be installed? |
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| 19:43.41 | MohammadAG | sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop |
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| 19:44.30 | trumee | is there any program on N900 which can encrypt my text file? |
| 19:47.24 | andre__ | encrypt like...? ROT-13? |
| 19:47.40 | lardman | thanks MohammadAG |
| 19:49.22 | trumee | andre__: something which can password protect the file. |
| 19:49.46 | trumee | andre__: i want to save personal info in the text file like bank accnt numbers etc |
| 19:50.00 | andre__ | I remember that there was some tool that I once tested... hmm, what was the name... |
| 19:50.18 | andre__ | passwordsafe maybe? |
| 19:50.28 | trumee | andre__: pySafe? |
| 19:50.32 | andre__ | hmm, not exactly what you are looking for |
| 19:51.41 | psycho_oreos | there's a built-in program named gpg |
| 19:54.00 | trumee | psycho_oreos: ah, gpg would do it. thanks for the reminder |
| 19:54.08 | psycho_oreos | nw |
| 19:55.25 | andre__ | uh, gpg is built in? |
| 19:55.59 | psycho_oreos | afaik it is, its required at least by apt-get |
| 19:56.28 | andre__ | crap. and I never realized. sigh :-( |
| 19:56.42 | trumee | andre__: me too :) |
| 19:56.51 | andre__ | closes https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4192 |
| 19:56.53 | povbot | 04Bug 4192: GPG/PGP support |
| 19:56.59 | psycho_oreos | we all learn someting new |
| 19:57.15 | andre__ | ah damn, that ticket is only about email. |
| 19:57.17 | andre__ | shuts up |
| 19:58.17 | MohammadAG | I'd guess so, for apt at least |
| 19:59.23 | MohammadAG | lol |
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| 20:00.41 | lardman | restarts to see the kde goodness, bbl |
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| 20:27.35 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: stay away from buntkuh, it's for lusers |
| 20:28.33 | DocScrutinizer | real men don't use buntkuh, hell they refuse to even touch it |
| 20:33.50 | GAN900 | :((( |
| 20:37.01 | DocScrutinizer | GAN900: what do you expect when a billionaire "buys" (read hijacks) linux to form it to sth where he's the emperor? |
| 20:38.49 | Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: Is "buntkuh" some form of 12 year old's "humorous" slagging off of Ubuntu? |
| 20:39.11 | DocScrutinizer | >>of course each fresh CD-RW you buy at any shop now comes with a install copy of buntkuh, but we're not forcing anyone to anything, you're still free to use the distro you like<< |
| 20:40.06 | DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: is it your age and the unwillingness to wear glasses that makes you think you need to insist in my age being 12? |
| 20:41.10 | DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: no, it's just a common error my auto spellchecker does each time I try to write buntkuh |
| 20:41.17 | DocScrutinizer | see, did it again |
| 20:45.02 | Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: I didn't say you were 12, I asked if "buntkuh" was the sort of thing a 12 year old would come up with when trying to rearrange the letters of Ubuntu to be close to "but[t] cunt". |
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| 20:46.04 | DocScrutinizer | buntkuh is an unusual other German word for fleckvieh, a checkered cow |
| 20:47.23 | DocScrutinizer | also there's the idiom of "known like a colored cow" in german, which is "bunte kuh" |
| 20:47.49 | Jaffa | Ah, I see. |
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| 20:49.07 | DocScrutinizer | so you see my spellchecker has quite a bit if wit |
| 20:49.15 | DocScrutinizer | of* |
| 20:51.14 | DocScrutinizer | especially since there's the notorious Kubuntu which sounds like "Kuh bunt (uh)" here |
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| 20:55.04 | DocScrutinizer | whatever... http://xkcd.com/424/ |
| 20:58.22 | DocScrutinizer | and anyway, google buntkuh, google fleckvieh is your friend |
| 21:00.52 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, sorry, no other sane systems |
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| 21:03.21 | DocScrutinizer | awesome forum software replacing *each* "ass" by *** X-P http://www.foonews.info/de-sci-biologie/2851718-buntkuh.html |
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| 21:06.15 | nox- | hahaha |
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| 21:12.19 | timeless | hello world |
| 21:12.20 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, that is cl***ic |
| 21:12.29 | timeless | is getting to love BlackBerry |
| 21:12.37 | lcuk | or in the terms of other software: that is clbuttic |
| 21:12.52 | lcuk | timeless, do you have a raised eyebrow? |
| 21:13.00 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: makes for some h***le when reading |
| 21:13.08 | timeless | Unlike my n8, there's a Google Mobile App for BlackBerry (there used to be one for Symbian, but I think Google dropped it) |
| 21:13.17 | timeless | lcuk: why do you ask? |
| 21:13.58 | ShadowJK | there used to be one for j2me too |
| 21:13.59 | lcuk | did you not expect a polished experience? |
| 21:14.09 | timeless | lcuk: oh |
| 21:14.13 | timeless | i had no expectations to be honest |
| 21:14.28 | timeless | i mean, i had a basic hope "it has to be better than Symbian" |
| 21:14.32 | lcuk | good approach |
| 21:14.59 | timeless | didn't pay *any* attn to rim news until after joining |
| 21:15.38 | timeless | most things are much better here |
| 21:15.57 | timeless | unfortunately i've found a couple of apps which don't seem quite interested in dying and i'm not quite sure yet how to kill them |
| 21:16.02 | timeless | but i'm sure i'll figure it out |
| 21:18.59 | timeless | oh, unlike my n8, the BlackBerry Torch has a green button that one can use for search in google apps... |
| 21:19.21 | timeless | chuckles @nokia's lack of a green button and how that totally ruined google's clever ui for voice search) |
| 21:23.29 | kerio | green button? |
| 21:23.36 | kerio | buttons are so yesterday |
| 21:25.23 | SpeedEvil | Yeah - this is the interface of the future. He's writing an email. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYFDYX4i2EY |
| 21:30.13 | timeless | grr |
| 21:31.04 | DocScrutinizer | LOL, maybe for mobile this interface is better? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcaslP9ODAk&feature=related |
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| 21:31.42 | timeless | anyone know why i'm getting a 1% fee while trying to send money from paypal[finland] to paypal[USA/Canada]? |
| 21:31.48 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: the one you suggested is a bit hard to use e.g. in subway ;-) |
| 21:32.13 | timeless | kerio: i'll have to find a picture of the ui at some point, or take a photo, i might actually have a photo of it in my n8 gallery on facebook |
| 21:32.19 | timeless | if you haven't looked at the gallery, please do :) |
| 21:32.20 | DocScrutinizer | timeless: currency conversion? |
| 21:32.54 | timeless | doc: nope, i have currency in EUR and USD and my recipient accounts can all take USD and i set up the CA one to take EUR |
| 21:33.14 | timeless | paypal points me to https://www.paypal.com/fi/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_display-fees |
| 21:33.21 | timeless | but there's no sign of a 1% fee anywhere in it |
| 21:33.22 | DocScrutinizer | so put it away with tag "paypal sucks" |
| 21:33.29 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: Even ideal for multitouch |
| 21:35.11 | DocScrutinizer | timeless: you know paypal can freeze your account any time, as long as they like, and reject all your complaints with "please sort it out with your neighbour" |
| 21:35.28 | timeless | i know |
| 21:35.32 | timeless | so far i haven't had a problem w/ it |
| 21:35.39 | timeless | and i've managed >40k USD w/ it |
| 21:35.51 | timeless | (downpayment on my Finnish apartment) |
| 21:36.59 | DocScrutinizer | well, you're lucky |
| 21:37.10 | DocScrutinizer | can happen to everyone |
| 21:37.30 | DocScrutinizer | and there's basically nuttin you can do against it |
| 21:38.13 | DocScrutinizer | they can steal your money, ruin your business, and laugh at your face while doing that - any time they like |
| 21:38.23 | timeless | I'm not a business |
| 21:38.38 | timeless | Doing business using PayPal would be a different story |
| 21:38.52 | DocScrutinizer | the landlord of your appartment in Finland obviously been though |
| 21:39.00 | timeless | ? |
| 21:39.18 | timeless | I own the property, surely that makes me my own landlord? |
| 21:39.24 | timeless | But I'd rather be screwed by PayPal than each of my Banks in each of the countries in which I've resided |
| 21:39.26 | DocScrutinizer | ok, whatever |
| 21:39.43 | timeless | At least PayPal speaks English |
| 21:39.50 | DocScrutinizer | sure |
| 21:39.53 | timeless | and is mostly honest and has reasonable documentation |
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| 21:39.59 | timeless | even its horror stories are public! |
| 21:40.06 | timeless | the same can not be said for my Finnish banks |
| 21:40.06 | DocScrutinizer | yeah |
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| 21:40.34 | timeless | which have been incredibly dishonest and whose dirty laundry is either private or enciphered in an indecipherable language for which no particularly good translation tools exist :) |
| 21:41.05 | DocScrutinizer | I'd not let my friggin paypal account grow to any 4 digit amount anyway |
| 21:43.17 | timeless | the interest rate on a US based PayPal account (when established as a Money Market) was considerably better than anything I could get at a bank |
| 21:43.17 | DocScrutinizer | paypal is too big, with too few real human beings involved into the process, and not bound to any jurisdiction that would help me out when the IT goes mad |
| 21:43.31 | timeless | and its fee structure was much much much better, as was my abilitity to use it as a liquid account. |
| 21:43.50 | timeless | Heck, I could have gotten a credit card for it to enable me to draw its funds directly. |
| 21:44.44 | DocScrutinizer | that's all fine as long as it works. If something fails you're screwed |
| 21:45.03 | timeless | shrugs |
| 21:45.11 | timeless | placing all your eggs in one basket is never a good idea |
| 21:45.12 | DocScrutinizer | try to get back your 1% |
| 21:45.20 | timeless | my eggs are spread across a number of baskets |
| 21:45.21 | DocScrutinizer | try to get an explanation about it |
| 21:45.42 | timeless | yeah, i just set a "message" asking about it |
| 21:45.50 | DocScrutinizer | you'll get text templates forever |
| 21:46.18 | DocScrutinizer | "please read https://www.paypal.com/fi/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_display-fees" |
| 21:46.20 | timeless | we'll see |
| 21:46.27 | timeless | sighs |
| 21:46.39 | timeless | it turns out i was trying to confirm the wrong bank account :o |
| 21:46.40 | timeless | in other news |
| 21:49.28 | MohammadAG | KDE isn't as bad as I thought it'd be |
| 21:50.06 | timeless | MohammadAG: when was the last time you used it, what did you expect, why are you trying it, and how's it doing? |
| 21:50.33 | MohammadAG | last time I used it, umm, not sure, kubuntu 9.10 or 8.10 I'd say |
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| 21:50.50 | MohammadAG | I expected a slow UI since I thought it was bloated |
| 21:51.14 | MohammadAG | I'm trying cause Unity isn't good as a desktop, at least for something that's not a netbook |
| 21:51.24 | ShadowJK | last major slowdown was KDE4, after that computers have gotten faster |
| 21:51.33 | MohammadAG | it's going to stay as my default desktop manager for quite a while |
| 21:55.04 | timeless | ShadowJK: heh |
| 21:55.59 | MohammadAG | this was the last one I tried http://www.ubuntugeek.com/images/kde4.png |
| 21:56.03 | MohammadAG | so yeah, I guess it was KDE 4 |
| 21:56.31 | MohammadAG | I actually tried openSUSE as a kid and didn't know KDE/Gnome stuff, I remember I liked it |
| 21:57.44 | Choom | you must be pretty young |
| 21:57.59 | DocScrutinizer | KDE4 been a rather nasty complete nuke of old KDE, then rebuild everything, which hasn't been done on same level of professionally like KDE1..3 |
| 21:58.58 | Choom | last time I tried KDE was in 1999, when dragging windows around corrupted parts of the wallpaper |
| 21:59.00 | DocScrutinizer | KDE4 still sucks for me, compared to KDE3 |
| 21:59.13 | ShadowJK | Choom, that sounds like KDE4.0 actually.. |
| 21:59.30 | DocScrutinizer | kde4.5foo actually |
| 21:59.31 | fusi[n901] | whats the keyb shortcut to detach from a screen again? |
| 21:59.33 | ShadowJK | Also, scrolling in the konsole (terminal application) corrupted glyps all over the screen :-) |
| 21:59.44 | DocScrutinizer | err, 4.3.5 |
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| 22:00.29 | DocScrutinizer | ooh, wasn't for me |
| 22:00.30 | SpeedEvil | fusi[n901]: ctrl-a d |
| 22:01.18 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: 1999 sounds like KDE1.0 beta sth |
| 22:01.32 | DocScrutinizer | or like KDE4 yeah |
| 22:01.55 | ShadowJK | corruption when moving windows sounds like KDE4 |
| 22:01.56 | ShadowJK | :P |
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| 22:02.00 | fusi[n901] | i guessed it but thankyou :) |
| 22:02.41 | DocScrutinizer | KDE4.3 still occasionally corrupting my taskbar here, when switching windows |
| 22:03.08 | DocScrutinizer | ~lart KDE4 |
| 22:03.08 | infobot | judo chops KDE4 |
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| 22:03.31 | hiemanshu | KDE 4.3? |
| 22:03.36 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: get the latest :P |
| 22:03.37 | DocScrutinizer | plasma, phonon, a pile of other useless crap |
| 22:03.51 | hiemanshu | well atleast 4.5 |
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| 22:04.27 | hiemanshu | urgh, stupid mouse |
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| 22:07.05 | DocScrutinizer | funny enough I osted a shortstory ranting fairy tale about KDE, on another freenode chan just some 2h ago. Alas in German |
| 22:07.11 | DocScrutinizer | posted* |
| 22:08.18 | DocScrutinizer | hiemanshu: I'd have preferred to stay with KDE3 until they reach some state of maturity with that friggin kde4 effort |
| 22:08.33 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: <nod> |
| 22:08.39 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: KDE 4.6 is pretty mature |
| 22:08.52 | hiemanshu | *much* *much* better than 4.3 |
| 22:09.14 | GAN900 | Ubuntu is back to not resuming |
| 22:09.16 | GAN900 | Kill me. |
| 22:09.46 | hiemanshu | puts a generade in GAN900's mouth, and hides behind a cover |
| 22:09.52 | hiemanshu | grenade* |
| 22:11.30 | DocScrutinizer | hiemanshu: in quite some aspects this whole kde4 story reminds me on maemo->meego |
| 22:11.51 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: same with GNOME 2.32 to 3 |
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| 22:16.11 | GeneralAntilles | Didn't gerbick already leave once? |
| 22:17.47 | DocScrutinizer | ? |
| 22:20.13 | DocScrutinizer | honestly considers switching to some LTS distro, SLES or whatever |
| 22:20.58 | DocScrutinizer | I don't need compiz, you know |
| 22:21.20 | DocScrutinizer | I want my uptime exceed one year |
| 22:21.44 | DocScrutinizer | shit has to work, not to deliver eyecandy |
| 22:22.46 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: CentOS 5 |
| 22:22.54 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: KDE 3.5.4 |
| 22:24.04 | DocScrutinizer | there's been a time ~2years ago where I was able to switch off the touchpad of this friggin laptop by clicking on a script icon I made. 3 years ago synaptics applet worked and disabled touchpad automatically when starting typing. Now it's fsckdup |
| 22:24.20 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: We intend to support CentOS 5 until Mar 31st, 2014 |
| 22:24.26 | hiemanshu | so another few years |
| 22:25.03 | DocScrutinizer | sounds like I'd love it then |
| 22:27.04 | DocScrutinizer | alas it means a complete "restart" on all my desktop environment |
| 22:27.41 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer: and there are qt 4.6/7 packages too (named differently so they dont interfere with default ones) |
| 22:27.44 | DocScrutinizer | sth I tried to avoid as much as possible, which gave me the uncomfortable situation I'm in now |
| 22:28.39 | DocScrutinizer | figure: there are custom kbd-shortcuts I defined on KDE2 when it been fresh |
| 22:28.57 | DocScrutinizer | I'm still using those |
| 22:30.01 | DocScrutinizer | it's not the 30min to install a fresh OS, it's the weeks to do all those little tweaks to your environment that drives me mad |
| 22:30.47 | DocScrutinizer | I should've changed to centOS when they forced me to KDE4 |
| 22:30.49 | hiemanshu | if you dont distro hop, that really shouldn't be an issue |
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| 22:31.25 | DocScrutinizer | as KDE4 did a decent job on nuking 80% of those tweaks and hacks |
| 22:31.31 | hiemanshu | well I built the packages for Fedora myself, and used KDE 3 for a while |
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| 22:33.20 | DocScrutinizer | I'm still unsure if khotkeys for example is a legacy from my kde3 install or meanwhile supported on kde4 as well |
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| 23:01.23 | FIQ | So I downloaded Maemo SDK the other day for compiling things for Maemo. I sometimes compiles things at desktop, and it usually weorks fine. Now, I tried to compile node.js for Maemo, with following error: sb_gcc_wrapper (g++): /scratchbox/compilers/cs2007q3-glibc2.5-arm7/bin/sbox-arm-none-linux-gnueabi-g++: No such file or directory |
| 23:01.32 | FIQ | Am I doing something wrong? |
| 23:01.48 | FIQ | works* |
| 23:02.07 | ShadowJK | you don't usually compile .js |
| 23:02.11 | FIQ | It happens in the make step of it |
| 23:02.18 | FIQ | node.js is a framework... |
| 23:02.30 | FIQ | http://nodejs.org/ |
| 23:02.55 | ShadowJK | ah |
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| 23:05.38 | FIQ | Also, the SDK is shipping with some really outdated version of python (2.3.4), how come? |
| 23:06.37 | FIQ | Hm, weird |
| 23:07.03 | FIQ | Tried to tab into that, and the file for sure exists |
| 23:09.02 | DocScrutinizer | I think there's sth weird about trying to compile .js, no matter what it actually is |
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| 23:09.28 | FIQ | >.> |
| 23:09.41 | FIQ | Did you check the link? |
| 23:09.48 | ShadowJK | Maybe he meant that hte software is called "dot js", not that he was trying to compile a file ending with ".js" |
| 23:09.48 | FIQ | Or what i told |
| 23:09.54 | FIQ | indeed |
| 23:10.03 | DocScrutinizer | mhm |
| 23:10.23 | FIQ | Anyway, the file indeed exists so why does make say that it doesn't? |
| 23:11.58 | DocScrutinizer | well, obviously in sb_gcc_wrapper there exists a problem accessing the file scratchbox/compilers/cs2007q3-glibc2.5-arm7/bin/sbox-arm-none-linux-gnueabi-g++ in the way it tries to do. So the error msg may be slightly off, that's not unseen |
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| 23:14.00 | FIQ | hmmm |
| 23:14.04 | FIQ | it seems to be a symlink |
| 23:14.11 | FIQ | to something non-existent |
| 23:14.17 | FIQ | that could be the problem as well |
| 23:14.18 | ShadowJK | Generally I have no clue what's going on when using scratchbox |
| 23:15.02 | DocScrutinizer | :nod: a stale symlink probably won't work for any purpose |
| 23:15.26 | FIQ | let's see |
| 23:15.47 | FIQ | the symlink point to a relative place that it takes for granted is in the PATH, but isn't |
| 23:15.58 | FIQ | i found a binary file in the same path for where it points to |
| 23:16.13 | FIQ | that's probably it, but... why does it even do that? |
| 23:16.14 | DocScrutinizer | what got a symlink to deal with $PATH? |
| 23:16.30 | FIQ | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 26 Jan 11 2010 /scratchbox/compilers/cs2007q3-glibc2.5-arm7/bin/sbox-arm-none-linux-gnueabi-g++ -> arm-none-linux-gnueabi-g++ |
| 23:16.37 | FIQ | probably that |
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| 23:19.24 | DocScrutinizer | resolving a symlink the OS doesn't look for $PATH |
| 23:21.14 | DocScrutinizer | if there's no real file at the location the either relative or fqn symlink points to, then there happened sth odd either to the symlink on creation time, or to the dest file after symlink got created |
| 23:23.10 | FIQ | well, I've never used eihter scratchbox or maemo sdk before, the problem could be at my side |
| 23:23.29 | FIQ | but well, I followed the instructions per wiki page, so I don't know why it happens.. |
| 23:23.30 | DocScrutinizer | probably sth during installation went wrong |
| 23:25.22 | FIQ | hmm |
| 23:25.37 | FIQ | now I actually tried running it from command line just to see |
| 23:25.42 | DocScrutinizer | jr@halley:~> ll /scratchbox/compilers/cs2007q3-glibc2.5-arm7/bin/sbox-arm-none-linux-gnueabi-g++ |
| 23:25.43 | FIQ | then it seems to have worked |
| 23:25.43 | DocScrutinizer | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 26 16. Mai 2010 /scratchbox/compilers/cs2007q3-glibc2.5-arm7/bin/sbox-arm-none-linux-gnueabi-g++ -> arm-none-linux-gnueabi-g++ |
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| 23:26.24 | FIQ | so I probably just mis-interpreted the point |
| 23:27.02 | FIQ | So, it's not the problem, it's just the make that fail for some unknown reason |
| 23:27.31 | DocScrutinizer | jr@halley:~> ll /scratchbox/compilers/cs2007q3-glibc2.5-arm7/bin/arm-none-linux-gnueabi-g++ |
| 23:27.32 | DocScrutinizer | -rwxr-xr-x 2 root root 181088 11. Jan 2010 /scratchbox/compilers/cs2007q3-glibc2.5-arm7/bin/arm-none-linux-gnueabi-g++ |
| 23:28.20 | FIQ | indeed it looks the same here |
| 23:30.57 | DocScrutinizer | pfrrrt /scratchbox/compilers/bin/sb_gcc_wrapper is an ELF |
| 23:31.24 | DocScrutinizer | NFC sorry |
| 23:32.02 | DocScrutinizer | I guess it's SB's way to tell you "don't try to compile javascript" or whatever ;-) |
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| 23:32.33 | DocScrutinizer | (no, I didn't check that link) |
| 23:32.56 | DocScrutinizer | I suggest a test with "hello world" |
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| 23:35.52 | DocScrutinizer | I vaguely recall somebody trying to build something on buildhost that was like converting python script to c to machine code using something written in python. It failed, and I wasn't amazed it did |
| 23:36.46 | DocScrutinizer | crosscompiling is a bit special sometimes |
| 23:36.50 | FIQ | it's not JS, it's a JS engine ;_; |
| 23:36.54 | FIQ | whatever |
| 23:37.14 | DocScrutinizer | what's the source language? |
| 23:38.13 | FIQ | C++ |
| 23:38.21 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, should work |
| 23:39.29 | DocScrutinizer | as mentioned above, make sure the environment is basically functional, by testing a "hello world" build |
| 23:40.25 | DocScrutinizer | then maybe ask for help of somebody feeling "at home" in SB, like MohammadAG ;-D |
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| 23:41.55 | FIQ | tried to compile hello world in C++, that worked |
| 23:47.46 | DocScrutinizer | hmm |
| 23:49.39 | DocScrutinizer | tried strace'ing this friggin wrapper? |
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| 23:51.31 | DocScrutinizer | wait, isn't SB compiler running in a changeroot? so maybe there's really no file like /scratchbox/compilers/cs2007q3-glibc2.5-arm7/bin/sbox-arm-none-linux-gnueabi-g++ |
| 23:52.19 | FIQ|n900 | well, I've never used SB or maemo SDK before, so... well, I don't know |
| 23:52.20 | DocScrutinizer | NFC why this wouldn't show up when compiling "hello world" |
| 23:53.24 | DocScrutinizer | you "logged in" to SB? |
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| 23:53.58 | FIQ|n900 | I've been logged into it all the time |
| 23:54.17 | DocScrutinizer | sorry, I give up |
| 23:54.22 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: ping |
| 23:54.53 | DocScrutinizer | (SB noob here too) |
| 23:55.01 | FIQ|n900 | heh |
| 23:56.08 | DocScrutinizer | I even had to look for my post-it note where I noted how to log in to SB |
| 23:56.48 | *** join/#maemo gn00b (~gn00b@71-223-199-42.phnx.qwest.net) |
| 23:56.51 | DocScrutinizer | as you can see from my ls I posted above, it's been >12months since I last touched that beast |
