IRC log for #maemo on 20110608

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00:26.05DantonicHey anyone here use xchat on the N900?
00:26.36pronto|i have
00:27.19Dantonictrying to figure out why I can't post multiple lines if I copy and paste for example
00:28.50DocScrutinizer51Dantonic: xchat doesn't support multiline paste
00:29.26Dantonicis that only on N900 or also the desktop version?
00:29.28DocScrutinizer51quite a bit annoying
00:29.34DantonicI know!
00:29.39Dantonicwhat the heck!
00:29.50DocScrutinizer51dunno, no xchat on desktop
00:30.06Dantonicso there is no way around it huh?
00:30.08nox-wfm
00:30.12nox-on destkop
00:30.23nox-desktop even
00:30.29Dantonicok so it's just on the N900
00:30.37nox-apparently
00:30.53cehtehhuh
00:31.13luke-jrDantonic: *IRC* doesn't support multiple lines
00:31.14DocScrutinizer51*might* be related to this idiotic NK-enter bug in kbd
00:31.41Dantonicluke-jr so how does mirc do it?
00:31.44merlin1991wonders if multiline works in quassel2go
00:31.45cehtehshould be fixable in xchat then
00:31.46nox-well i prefer to manually remove the newlines too but they do end up in the input line...
00:31.49luke-jrDantonic: it doesn't, it sends each line individually
00:32.17nox-s/input line/input box/
00:32.21Dantonicok... but xchat on N900 does not?
00:32.30merlin1991Does
00:32.30merlin1991it work?
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00:32.38merlin1991does :D
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00:32.49Dantonic?
00:33.09merlin1991Dantonic: I tried multiline support in quassel2go
00:33.35Dantonicwhat's qussel2go? irc client?
00:33.40merlin1991yes
00:33.46Dantonichmm
00:34.41DocScrutinizer51it's really strange why it does NOT work here
00:34.45DantonicI'll give it a shot
00:34.47DocScrutinizer51in xchat
00:35.03Dantonicyeah who maintains it?  can it be worked on? :P
00:35.10Dantonici like xchat
00:35.26Dantonicis there a plugin maybe?
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00:35.56nox-i have to hit `end' and then cursor right to see the second line in the input box...
00:36.00DocScrutinizer51you maintain it ;-)
00:36.27nox-and n900 doesnt have `end' key (ok lots of cursor right would do it too...)
00:36.42DantonicI'm very bad at linux/programming
00:36.55DocScrutinizer51I'm wondering what's keymap in xchat for enter
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00:37.32Dantonicso is it confirmed? it works on desktop?
00:37.50nox-also insert is middle click here and ^v on n900, correct?
00:38.01nox-Dantonic, does for me
00:38.43nox-wonders if its to do with ^v...
00:39.23DocScrutinizer51I got an idiotic obviously nonfunct entry for KP-enter, in xchat
00:39.44Dantonichmm
00:39.54DocScrutinizer51sth about replacing words
00:40.06Dantonicit's as if it doesn't register the return... it stops at the first line
00:40.15Dantonicbut if I keep pasting then it works
00:40.36Dantonicif I paste something multiple times I can keep pasting and it will post it
00:44.08Dantonicany idea what that means?
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02:08.31GeneralAntillesAuto correction pisses me off.
02:09.19derfSo turn it off.
02:09.28GeneralAntillesThe whining on the internets about resistive Wii U touchscreen is hilarious.
02:09.35GeneralAntillesderf, just did. Not sure how it got turned back on.
02:09.42derfGremlins.
02:09.57derfSo they're whining because they don't know how to use a touchscreen that's good?
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02:10.36GeneralAntilleshttp://www.joystiq.com/2011/06/07/wii-u-controller-has-a-ds-style-touch-screen/#comments
02:10.45GeneralAntilles"Buuuut its not wat Apple uses!!!"
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02:59.27Arcueid_Looks slow here today.
02:59.56Arcueid_Wish Stephen Elop logged here. That would stir things up for sure.
03:00.21cehtehlol
03:00.43cehtehi guess we just hack his box and kickban him from the channel :P
03:01.20Arcueid_Maybe that would be nice. lol
03:01.25Arcueid_Lemme ask something:
03:01.40Arcueid_Is windows just as pirated abroad as it is in my country?
03:02.06Arcueid_I mean, everybody has windows on their machines here.
03:02.11cehtehdepends on the country
03:02.22cehtehin S/E asia and china prolly much more
03:02.45cehtehhere in germany many people have a legal copy (mostly just because it comes with the computer)
03:03.40cehtehrecently steve ballmer stated they make less money in china than in holland :P
03:04.39cehteh(thats 1.5 billion people vs 12000000 or so, cant remember the exact numbers)
03:04.39Arcueid_Wow.
03:04.50cehtehi dont care :)
03:05.16Arcueid_I think I paid once for a copy of windows 95...
03:05.20cehtehi dont use windows and i buying computers without it
03:05.23cehteheven my laptop
03:05.54Arcueid_Funny enough, that thing had a nasty tendency to forget com and irq pairings. It was plain weird.
03:06.20Arcueid_Well... Maemo was my first linux device.
03:06.52Arcueid_Loving it, so far. The fact that there's a lot of resources that one can run, from other distros, is just awesome.
03:07.57Arcueid_I at times wonder if M$ kinda felt... Frightened of the possibility of people migrating from maemo to a desktop distro...
03:08.23Arcueid_Only reason I haven't done som myself so far is that I'm not sure how well linux handles most games.
03:08.47cehtehmost games are prolly for windows
03:08.58cehtehso with some luck you can run them in wine
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03:09.21cehtehhttp://sauerbraten.org/  but there are enough nice free games
03:09.44cehtehwell and all kinds of clones of some games
03:09.57cehtehi dont game *that* much
03:12.14Arcueid_checking above link
03:12.44Arcueid_My desktop has been mostly build around gaming as a prerequisite, so that tells a lot...
03:12.55Arcueid_I haven't experimented with free gaming, yet.
03:13.17Arcueid_Man, I feel so that dude from "Easy rider", when the bikers offer him pot, saying that, lol
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03:37.34hiemanshuis there a decent email client for the N900
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05:21.45*** topic/#maemo is Welcome to #maemo http://maemo.org/intro/ | http://maemo.nokia.com/ | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council | Source: http://wiki.maemo.org/Sources | Chanlog: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | PROBLEMS WITH NITDROID/MULTIBOOT? reflash rootfs&kernel aka COMBINED, and keep clear of that shit! (we're fed up with 3 user requests / day)
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05:29.04dangergrrlis DocScrutinizer the owner of this chan?
05:29.44dangergrrlhe seems pretty cool and such but just wondering
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06:45.04Venemomorning
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06:49.00meceVenemo, o/
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06:49.55Venemomece, o7
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06:51.35crashanddiedangergrrl, there is no real owner of the chan
06:51.57crashanddiedangergrrl, he's one of the ops, at one time, GeneralAntilles had ownership of the chan, but now I think it's X-Fade
06:52.16crashanddie(just for bureaucratic reasons, mainly)
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07:09.17JaffaMorning, all
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07:14.16dangergrrlwell he seems smarter than me and it bothers me but it is ok
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07:23.19Termanagood morning
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07:24.18crashanddiemorning Termana & Jaffa
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07:56.37dangergrrlguten morgens
07:57.59dangergrrltrine i know there are other players but thank you
07:58.12_trinenp
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08:35.56chem|stmorning
08:36.14lardmanremorning all
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08:52.05hiemanshuis there a custom 2.6.3x kernel out there yet?
08:52.32Termanafor.... the n900?
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08:53.49hiemanshuTermana: yes
08:54.02hiemanshuI want to use it with fedora arm rootfs, so wondering is there is one
08:55.05TermanaOh right. Well, you could just compile an upstream one, from what I've been told there are only a couple of out-of-tree patch differences between it and the MeeGo one.
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08:55.50hiemanshuwhat version is meego at?
08:56.13hiemanshuah, I can see a 2.6.37 one
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08:58.43stef_204hi, using maemo 5 on N900.  I have had a recent problem where I received a warning that some email accounts would be disabled as not enough space, until space was cleared (paraphrasing).
08:59.06stef_204this is due to the fact that Modest downloaded all attachments on my IMAP email accounts.
08:59.19Termanahiemanshu, ah, I read what version you were requesting wrong :p
08:59.48stef_204I have since cleared up space and used gconf to configure download "messages" instead of "messages-and-attachements" as key value (no idea if this will work)
09:00.07stef_204but impossible to have modest restart updating the disable accounts
09:00.13stef_204anyone here have any idea?
09:00.29chem|stnever had that
09:00.53chem|sthave you got 20GB attachments in you inbox?
09:01.25stef_204chem|st: I have or had lots of PDF attachments from work but of course not 20 GBS
09:01.50stef_204it seems to put the attachments on a 2GB /home partition and not on the 20GB one
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09:02.29stef_204I can probably delete the email account and re-add it I suppose
09:02.38stef_204mickey mouse workaround but might work
09:04.24stef_204what about cgonf settings for modest? anyone here familiar with the key: download where the value is "messages-and-attachments" ?
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09:05.57cityLightsI need packaging advice
09:06.12cityLightsmay I used pypackeger?
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09:10.49divanIs there any way to get rid of 'qtc_packaging' dir and tell QtCreator to use debian/ directory?
09:21.55lardmanhttp://qt.nokia.com/products/qt-for-mobile-platforms interesting to see Harmattan mentioned there
09:22.33MohammadAGlardman, Harmattan is mentioned everywhere in Qt
09:22.40lardmanoh right
09:22.49lardmanwell come on Nokia let's have a device then! ;)
09:22.55MohammadAGthere's a define (Q_WS_MAEMO_6), Qt Creator has a Harmattan publish feature etc..
09:23.14lardmanoh right, I've been using a rather old SDK version for the N900 dev
09:23.25lardmanand I don't read the docs either ;)
09:25.05MohammadAGnewest Qt Creator is way better than the one bundled with QtSDK 1.1
09:26.10lardmanI'm just installing now on my work Windows box as I have some UI dev to do there
09:26.21fluxso, there doesn't appear to be a program to lock the n900 display, when proximity sensor says there is something near.
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09:26.37fluxis it just plain bad idea or hasn't the thought crossed any developer's mind?-)
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09:28.06MohammadAGthe former I'd guess :p
09:28.20MohammadAGproximity sensor doesn't detect distance, it's either open or closed
09:28.43fluxI get that
09:28.48fluxbut it should detect that it's in the pocket
09:29.00fluxof course, should I stick my finger over it, it would react then as well
09:29.10MohammadAGyeah
09:29.16fluxbut, it would be nice to try
09:29.26fluxbecause it's also a bother to make sure the device is locked before putting into pocket
09:30.36fluxthen there is the thing that I assume using the sensor consumes power.. ?
09:30.46MohammadAGproximity? it's always on
09:30.49fluxoh, nice
09:30.59fluxso in principle it could also unlock when the sensor says there's nothing there
09:32.35lardmanwhat happens to the phone ui when you bloxk the sensor? does it just stop accepting input or does it blank the screen?
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09:36.10cityLightswhich scanner do the guys here use under linux?
09:36.22robbiethe1stscanner?
09:36.27robbiethe1stlike for paper pages?
09:36.46cityLightsyes
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09:37.03merlin1991I have some old scanner here, it just works (TM)
09:37.05cityLightsI used to have an epson 1500 and now think of buying a new one
09:37.18cityLightswhich?
09:37.27robbiethe1stI just used an older HP all in one cheapy
09:37.31robbiethe1stthey work fairly nicely
09:38.30robbiethe1st...Y'know, I think I found out the reason N900's seem to slow down, crash not work as well etc.
09:38.34robbiethe1stand why reflashing fixes it
09:39.11robbiethe1stIt's the OptFS getting corrupt. Today, it took like 2 minutes for it to start, programs were sometimes sluggish, hildon-home went crazy for a bit...
09:39.38robbiethe1stran fsck on it, found a LOT of errors, and after fixing everything, running badblocks etc... it now boots in 30 seconds or so
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10:06.00cityLightsI didnt see an answer so let me try again
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10:06.41cityLightsmay I use PyPackager to package my app for maemo5 or should I follow the http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing#Creating_Debian_Packages
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11:09.41RST38hone of Nintendo's chief game designers, Katsuya Eguchi, confirmed that the system's proprietary disc format will hold 25 Gigabytes of data.
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11:45.52DocScrutinizernot my idea she says "hello DocScrutinizer"
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11:47.52DocScrutinizer_trine: crashanddie: thanks for putting straight
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11:55.45chem|sthmm, any guess how long n900s will be in stock at online retailers?
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11:56.05DocScrutinizergood question
12:00.04SpeedEvilDepends.
12:00.08SpeedEvilIs ebay a retailer?
12:00.20SpeedEvilIn which case, I'd suspect you'll be able to buy them for at least a decade.
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12:01.15hiemanshuis there a decent N900 email client?
12:01.22hiemanshumodest is meh :P
12:01.55jacekowskinop
12:01.57jacekowskinope
12:02.15robbiethe1stYes!... The gmail web client. :P
12:02.30robbiethe1stThanks to the browser, you get all sorts of webapps.
12:02.56hiemanshupossible to compile one for it?
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12:05.16MohammadAGanyone up for coding Nokia Bubbles?
12:07.10SpeedEvilIs it a simulation of what happens when you drop an Elop into lava?
12:07.45MohammadAGcrashanddie, is gitorious down or just being crappy atm?
12:08.36crashanddieMohammadAG, it's up AFAICT
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12:11.54hiemanshuMohammadAG: in Python sure, anyother language, no :P
12:13.06MohammadAGhttp://i52.tinypic.com/24o850w.jpg proof of concept lockscreen "replacement"
12:13.27MohammadAGfeel free to write some custom lockscreens with QML :P
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12:13.45andre__time is nice, but date is missing. ;-)
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12:14.23MohammadAGwho cares, it's foss :p
12:15.06andre__hehe
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12:16.46meceMohammadAG, nice, where's the source?
12:16.57MohammadAGhttps://gitorious.org/maemo5-foss-lockscreen/lockscreen-concept
12:17.20MohammadAGit's pretty much copy and paste what's there and code your own UI
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12:18.12meceMohammadAG, can we use a declarative view for this?
12:18.58MohammadAGmece, sure, why not
12:19.17GonzoTheGreatMohammadAG thanks for the git link.
12:19.25MohammadAGFYI I use Qt::Dialog to make hildon-desktop believe it's a dialog (it's a QMainWindow), that way CTRL+Backspace is ignored
12:19.31mecewe could even leave the qml outside qrc, so people could hack the looks on device if they feel like it...
12:19.33MohammadAGGonzoTheGreat, yw :)
12:19.46meceMohammadAG, sweet!
12:20.00MohammadAGit needs one extra check
12:20.00GonzoTheGreatAs I said in the thread. I will make declarativ version as well as static
12:20.16meceGonzoTheGreat, there's a thread?
12:20.18MohammadAGit always assumes the screen is locked
12:20.21hiemanshuwhy isn't anything in python? :(
12:20.31MohammadAGPython is slow
12:20.35GonzoTheGreatthe iphone battery widget one
12:20.36mecewhat MohammadAG said
12:20.52hiemanshunot really no
12:20.57MohammadAG(at least on a 600MHz device)
12:21.08MohammadAGhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=73828 mece
12:21.13GonzoTheGreatThe only problem I see with this is the memory usage
12:21.15MohammadAGhiemanshu, which UI toolkit?
12:21.24meceyeah I posted in that thread already, LOL *bonk self*
12:21.25hiemanshuMohammadAG: Qt
12:21.32hiemanshuI know a bit of QML as well
12:21.50meceI looove qml
12:22.01MohammadAGnot a big fan of writing qml
12:22.04mecemostly because I don't know c++ properly
12:22.17MohammadAGrequires way too much effort imo, but in the end you get a nice UI
12:22.22GonzoTheGreatHopefully able to work on it tomorrow.
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12:22.26MohammadAGand lots of memory usage *cough*
12:22.33meceMohammadAG, effort from the device or the coder?
12:22.39MohammadAGcoder
12:22.42GonzoTheGreatboth
12:22.46MohammadAGyou need to reimplement stuff
12:23.01meceMohammadAG, it's heavy on the memory but sure is easy and fast to make cool stuff.
12:24.07GonzoTheGreatFor now I have lock unlock working using the power and slider buttons
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12:24.31MohammadAGthat's what the concept shows
12:24.37MohammadAGit overlays the stock lockscreen
12:24.44meceMohammadAG, does the concept replace the lock screen?
12:24.48meceok overlays.,
12:24.57MohammadAGmece, replacing it is a huge effort
12:25.01meceok
12:25.05GonzoTheGreatyep looks similar
12:25.08MohammadAGsince the same plugin that handles locking actually shows the UI
12:25.27mecedoes overlaying it cause problems?
12:25.28MohammadAG(bad coding by whoever did it @ Nokia)
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12:25.41MohammadAGnope
12:26.00mecewell then who cares? I think we can live with the extra memory needed..
12:26.06meceas long as we keep it simple enough
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12:26.42meceGonzoTheGreat, so.. merge with MohammadAG's concept?
12:26.48GonzoTheGreatHave you tried to remove the tk.so and seel what happens. I wasn't brave enough/ in flashing mood
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12:27.01GonzoTheGreatsure. I will clone the git
12:27.03MohammadAGYes, again that handles locking
12:27.20MohammadAGso you'd need handle screen blanking, connect with mce and read when to lock the screen etc
12:27.31GonzoTheGreatdoing all that
12:27.32meceI was looking in to replacing the whole locking bit, but seemed like a lot of hard work
12:27.44MohammadAGbasically, you're rewriting an mce plugin
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12:28.33meceI wanted the lock screen to pop up when you touch the screen (if proximity sensor not active) instead of having to poke at powerswitch
12:28.39GonzoTheGreatI was wondering if removing the plugin will crash anything or just stops it from showing the lock screen
12:28.55MohammadAGGonzoTheGreat, you can't lock the device in any way
12:28.59MohammadAGnothing will crash
12:29.01mecewell the signals would go nowhere
12:29.05meceright
12:29.19MohammadAGmece, there won't be any signals
12:29.23meceis it a dbus signal that locks the device?
12:29.33GonzoTheGreatyep
12:29.42MohammadAGyes, and it's handled by that .so file
12:30.00GonzoTheGreatok. I get it now
12:30.00MohammadAGwhich is wrong, again, bad coding by Nokia
12:30.22MohammadAGhere's a binary if anyone wants to give it a shot http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/lockscreen-concept
12:30.22meceso replacing the dbus service and making it point to something else?
12:30.30GonzoTheGreatfrustrating
12:30.55MohammadAGmece, so write a library that reads mce's config and handles blanking without breaking anything :p
12:31.07mecewell therein lies the problem
12:32.08meceas I said, a lot of hard work. And I don't need that feature (show lockscreen when screen touched and proximity sensor = 0) that much. And I'm glad that overlaying works.
12:32.26meceOne could implement all sorts of cool stuff. A widget type lock screen with custom info and stuff :)
12:32.35mecestuff and stuff
12:33.02GonzoTheGreatThat's what I am working on
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12:33.37MohammadAGmediaplayer controls, notifications, possibilities are endless
12:34.17meceanyway I've got to go.Perhaps a new thread could be started in development on tmo GonzoTheGreat
12:34.22mecetata
12:34.59GonzoTheGreatAs I said we can do it quick-widgets style. I willm create some bindings so people can customize
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12:35.51MohammadAGI wonder if the qml files in Nokia Bubbles' .sis file are encrypted
12:35.55MohammadAGor compiled
12:36.05T-CoIs it possible to have voice guidance to the Ovi Maps navi?
12:36.11T-Co(on N900)
12:36.16divanSo, is there any way to make both dpkg-buildpackage and qtcreator happy? I mean to keep one debian/qtc_packaging directory or smth like that.
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12:38.23GonzoTheGreatBubbles. Interesting.
12:39.19GonzoTheGreatHas probably a  fair bit of c++ backing
12:39.34MohammadAGI can write that, no problems there
12:39.54MohammadAG(with proper signals/slots)
12:40.45MohammadAGI wonder if there's a way to unpack a sis on linux
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12:43.34DocScrutinizermoo moh
12:43.37GonzoTheGreatI know we could do it. I was talk
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12:44.03DocScrutinizermoo javispedro
12:44.13javispedromooouuu
12:44.17MohammadAGo/ DocScrutinizer & javispedro
12:45.04DocScrutinizerjavispedro: is alsaped open?
12:45.30javispedroaway from workstation atm
12:45.47DocScrutinizerthought you might know off top of your head
12:45.50MohammadAGGonzoTheGreat, well, if it uses signals/slots we could use the same method names in the C++ code
12:46.05DocScrutinizernm then
12:46.33GonzoTheGreatsure but I think the qml is the least amount of work.
12:46.48MohammadAGto you, maybe, to me? not so much :p
12:47.07GonzoTheGreatfor custom stuff it is alm
12:47.24GonzoTheGreatost all c++ anyway
12:47.28GonzoTheGreatoops
12:48.02MohammadAGDocScrutinizer,
12:48.03MohammadAG[sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~] > apt-cache search alsa-policy-enforcement
12:48.12MohammadAG[sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~] >
12:49.14DocScrutinizerjavispedro: you ever got aware of a thing named /usr/lib/alsa-lib/smixer/smixer-python.so ?
12:49.27lcuk> apt-cache search awesome_developer
12:49.47GonzoTheGreatapt-cache show MohammadAG
12:50.07GonzoTheGreat:P
12:50.17DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: thanks...
12:50.36javispedroDOCSCRUTINIZAR
12:50.40javispedroOOPS
12:50.48javispedroFscking autocompletion
12:50.53DocScrutinizerjavispedro: it's shining up as missing when I use amixer --abstract basic
12:51.34javispedromy magic 8 ball says alsaped is closed
12:51.42javispedroeither way, does not seem interesting
12:51.54DocScrutinizerseems to be a way to mess with alsa properties like control names etc, maybe
12:52.27javispedroprobably easily replacabe by a python script, but I bet its C for performance
12:52.39javispedroas it seems to set tens of mixers every time
12:52.39DocScrutinizerjavispedro: indeed an proper spec and manpage about alsaped would be way more interesting
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12:53.46javispedrofrom what I remember from fmradio policy daemon just sends a dbus msg saying sth like
12:54.02javispedrosrc=microphone, out=speaker
12:54.10DocScrutinizerthis friggin smixer-python.so is available for buntkuh and mint and a few other, but seems is not a generally adopted bit of sw
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12:54.32javispedroand alsaped goes through its .ini-like settings file and sets smixers as appropiate
12:54.36GonzoTheGreatMohammadAG: about mce again. Do you know whats's happening on lock. disable keyboard, backlight?
12:54.49javispedroDocscrutinizer: why are you interested in python?
12:55.23DocScrutinizerjust interested in amixer --abstract and what it's doing in a broader view of ALSA concept
12:55.33javispedroah
12:55.39MohammadAGdisable keyboard -> emit appropriate signal, disable backlight -> emit appropriate signal, disable touchscreen -> emit signal
12:55.44javispedroand I bet its written in Python =)
12:55.51MohammadAGdim and blank screen -> emit signal
12:56.02GonzoTheGreatare all these accessible?
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12:56.42DocScrutinizerjavispedro: I fail to get a grip on it so far
12:57.03DocScrutinizerjavispedro: not even fekkin `man amixer` even mentions --abstract
12:57.14DocScrutinizero.O
12:57.21javispedrono idea what that does
12:57.59javispedrobut tbh I do not want to learn about yet more alsalib ABSTRACTion crap.
12:58.04lcukomg my sister wants me to remove beard
12:58.05DocScrutinizerI think iz's a hook into smixer lib(?) to mess with all sorts of control properties
12:58.17MohammadAGGonzoTheGreat, having two apps emitting signals on the same DBus path/interface isn't a good thing to do
12:58.22lcukand just have a 'tache
12:58.27MohammadAGin fact, I'm not sure if DBus will handle it
12:58.35javispedrolcuk: rebel.
12:58.36lcukneeds more people voting for full beard
12:58.44lcukjavispedro, I did by growing it in the first place
12:58.49GonzoTheGreatwhat if we remove the tklock.so?
12:59.06lcuk* replace
13:00.25DocScrutinizerlcuk: you're kindly invited to link to my avatar
13:00.58MohammadAGGonzoTheGreat, I suggest dropping that idea completely
13:01.18MohammadAGunless you want to rewrite it as a proper mce plugin
13:01.25javispedroI cannot believe morons are bashing Nintendo for going resistive
13:01.34DocScrutinizerwonders what's been "the idea" fist place
13:01.38MohammadAGOMG resistive sucks!!!1
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13:02.20javispedroputs on trolling hat and robe and clicks "reply"
13:02.33DocScrutinizer\o/
13:02.51DocScrutinizerfetching popcorn and asking "LINK?"
13:03.01GonzoTheGreatOk so we should stick with the overlay?!
13:03.38javispedroDocscrutinizer: anonymous trolling is more effective, so no link =)
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13:03.57hiemanshuso I wrote my first C++ Qt app :D It takes two numbers and add em, well its a start :)
13:04.01DocScrutinizerGonzoTheGreat: could you give me a timestamp or unique keyword to search for, so I find out what's been your idea?
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13:05.11lcukhiemanshu, congratulations :)
13:06.17hiemanshulcuk: thank you, Qt is nice, know quite a bit of it, its the C++ part thats kinda scary :P
13:06.20lcuknow you can use your "addition" machine logic to create "multiplication"
13:06.25GonzoTheGreatNo name: I suggest having two lock screen options. 1) c++ static with configuration to turn things on/off e.g. battery status, song info etc
13:06.26lcukwith the simple inclusion of a loop
13:06.45DocScrutinizerhiemanshu: duh, Qt *is* C++
13:06.53lcukno
13:07.00hiemanshuDocScrutinizer: I meant, I know PyQt :P
13:07.06GonzoTheGreat2) blank slate qml. with just bindings provided thta you can do your own
13:07.08DocScrutinizeraaah
13:07.20hiemanshuDocScrutinizer: I have written quite a few PyQt apps
13:07.47DocScrutinizeryeah, then you had rather little to deal with C++
13:07.52GonzoTheGreatoption two will most likely use more memory.
13:08.11GonzoTheGreatexcept all the bindings.
13:08.43GonzoTheGreatUnless you use the qprocess binidings I have done for quick-widgets
13:09.28DocScrutinizerI see
13:09.28hiemanshuDocScrutinizer: yeah, all I did was use Qt Designer to design ui, then pyuic4 to convert it to python code, include it and done
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13:10.00GonzoTheGreatOptions 2) is what I will do first.
13:10.38GonzoTheGreatAll you get is auto-rotation and an unlock binding
13:10.51GonzoTheGreatto start with
13:11.02DocScrutinizerprobably nothing wrong with it, GonzoTheGreat - aiui it takes memory only during state=locked
13:11.31GonzoTheGreatnope. because it will only be unmapped not destroyed
13:11.45DocScrutinizer:-/
13:12.52MohammadAG<GonzoTheGreat> Ok so we should stick with the overlay?!
13:12.56MohammadAGyes, what's wrong with it?
13:13.09DocScrutinizercurses QML for being another tool designed to ease developers' daywork at the expense of eating *everybody's* RAM
13:13.43ruskiehehe
13:13.45ruskieof course
13:13.54ruskieanything that eases development will goble up ram
13:13.56GonzoTheGreatMohammadAG: what do you mean?
13:14.27MohammadAGwhat's wrong with the overlay?
13:14.31MohammadAGit doesn't break stuff
13:15.28GonzoTheGreatIn your example is the original lock scre
13:15.40MohammadAGwhat
13:15.49DocScrutinizer"look, this calculator can do + - * /, and it's expensive because it needs 2MB RAM - this is needed as it allowed our sw devels to use a tool that cut our sw development expense by 50%"
13:15.49GonzoTheGreaten flashing up briefly?
13:16.15MohammadAGno, it can't flash briefly since it's stacked under the example
13:16.44GonzoTheGreatok. sorry I didn't get a chance to try it yet.
13:16.55GonzoTheGreatsounds good then.
13:17.06javispedroDocscrutinizer: ram is cheap, programmers are expensive
13:17.32GonzoTheGreatSoC RAM isn't
13:17.38javispedro(battery life, on the other side..)
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13:18.10javispedroGonzoTheGreat: a gigabyte or so for $100? cheap.
13:18.12DocScrutinizerindeed, and RAM gets paid by assraped end users while developers are only doing a poor job to proove their own awesomness
13:19.08DocScrutinizerI.E. get poor untalented devels to give you a cheap sw you can run on expensive hw
13:19.12jacekowskijavispedro: but 100 users buying ram are not so cheap anymore
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13:19.36jacekowskiand if you think about piece of shit called SAP
13:19.45jacekowskithat needs like gazillion servers to run
13:19.47lcukDocScrutinizer, just wait until the next generation come about
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13:19.52jacekowskiand lot of companies are using it
13:20.01javispedroI bet you mean shipping 100 devices with +$100 RAM
13:20.02lcukthose who will use New Super Wooooot inducing paradigm that grows on QML
13:20.06DocScrutinizerlcuk: can't wait for it...
13:20.11lcuk:D
13:20.24javispedrovs shipping 100 devices without that many RAM and hiring real developers.
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13:20.42jacekowskiyes
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13:20.42lcukDocScrutinizer, this is not qml: http://liqbase.net/liq.20110607_220246.liqdesign2.scr.png
13:20.50SpeedEviljacekowski: And of course - 'upgrade' - has been the mantra of devs for the last 20 years. 'ram is cheap'
13:20.52lcukjavispedro, ^ also
13:21.09SpeedEvilAnd indeed it is - generally - if it's a 2-3 year old desktop.
13:21.14SpeedEvilOtherwise - not so much.
13:21.24jacekowskiram is cheap but i prefer to spend £50 on something else
13:21.38lcukwhere do I plug in ram upgrade on my n900?
13:21.52SpeedEvillcuk: Exacly.
13:22.09jacekowskiinto memory card slot
13:22.10SpeedEvillcuk: Well - the strict answer is 'on top of the processor, after desoldering existing RAM'
13:22.11jacekowskiit's called swap
13:22.18SpeedEvilstabs jacekowski.
13:22.25DocScrutinizerannounces the international QML bashing day
13:22.26jacekowskihmm
13:22.29jacekowskithinking about that
13:22.30RST38hYeaaaah
13:22.32jacekowskiit could work
13:22.36lcukjacekowski, and plaster of paris is an ideal replacement for a pair of jeans.
13:22.42SpeedEvilSD - RAM card would be somewhat cool.
13:22.57javispedroyou need more memory => you run less things. don't ya ever learn from master steve jobs?
13:22.57RST38hSpeed: will still be slow
13:23.04RST38hthere is a controller between you and the card
13:23.11SpeedEvilThough optimised for flash swap, and SD supporting TRIM could be not quite as shitty.
13:23.14jacekowskiRST38h: controller can do more than average sd card
13:23.14SpeedEvilRST38h: Of course.
13:23.25RST38hAn 8bit or 16bit controller, with an 8bit or 16bit data path
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13:23.37SpeedEvilRST38h: But 12 meg a second is a hell of a lot better than most swap gets.
13:23.44SpeedEvil(and I know it's not nearly enough)
13:23.44RST38hAnd with no more than 8bit path to the SD card (this is for MMC+ only)
13:23.59DibblahI find it amusing that the SD card itsself has a CPU that's faster than my oldest phone's main CPU.
13:24.02RST38hFor your standard plasticky SD cards it is no more than 4 bits
13:24.10psycho_oreos<javispedro> you need more memory => you run less things. don't ya ever learn from master steve jobs? <-- is that why it took Apple that long to enable multitasking on their iphones since the beginning when it couldn't even really multitask?
13:24.13GonzoTheGreat/me is amused at the tangent
13:24.31javispedropsycho_oreos: you!
13:24.49javispedropsycho_oreos: you'll find current iphones can't even multitask.
13:24.54DibblahVery good read - http://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=918
13:25.13DibblahBunnie decapsulates a bunch of micro-SD cards.
13:25.18GonzoTheGreathow do I do /me in the irc conversation  plugin?
13:25.48psycho_oreosjavispedro, still! lol must be epic despite all the people moaning about the lack of multitasking capabilities.
13:25.53DocScrutinizerkick that plugin, get a decent IRC client!
13:26.07hiemanshumultitask what is that?
13:26.17DocScrutinizerDibblah: known, but thanks
13:26.19GonzoTheGreatconvenienent
13:26.29psycho_oreos~google multitask
13:26.38psycho_oreoslol damn
13:26.58DocScrutinizergoogle made her blow chunks
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13:27.12DocScrutinizer~wiki multitask
13:27.51psycho_oreosnice! too bad google had to go though :) rather handy to harness a big search machine
13:27.52hiemanshuDocScrutinizer: I know, its just I use an iPhone too, and well it mutlitasks decently
13:28.47DocScrutinizer~botsnack
13:28.47infobotDocScrutinizer: :)
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13:29.46DocScrutinizerinfobot: good bot
13:29.46infobotDocScrutinizer: aw, gee
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13:33.27GonzoTheGreatoff to bed for me. Back tomorrow.
13:33.28javispedroas decently as my palm pilot.
13:36.31DocScrutinizerI don't think there's much confusion around apple's strategy regarding multitasking in iPhones. They didn't like the andridiot approach, and were scared about the maemo syndrome
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13:37.05DocScrutinizerso they invented their own way to deal with the issue
13:37.34psycho_oreoslike they do with every other case
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13:38.00javispedrothey didn't, they just replicated the way palm solved the issue last decade
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13:38.27psycho_oreose.g. antennagate issue, their solution? `We're not the ones at fault, other handsets have this issue as well.'
13:38.40DocScrutinizernow that it turns out maemo approach *can* work, apple is going to slowly gradually adopt this, by allowing a few "multitasking" bits
13:39.00javispedroI bet they will do the android way first
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13:40.27DocScrutinizerhonestly I'd prefer to go back to QML bashing - iPhone bashing is lame and boring
13:40.30javispedrothat is, your app is active but can TERM at any moment if not used in last N time units, and apps are STOPped when screen off
13:41.02javispedroqml sucks. just go the html5 route
13:41.03rm_workuck
13:41.07javispedrolicense webos!
13:41.12javispedrobut hp!
13:41.14rm_workhate that "fake multitasking"
13:41.19javispedro(or, be bought by HP!)
13:41.31rm_workwhat are we talking about that might do that
13:41.36rm_work?
13:42.06javispedrorm_work: the one I described? that is android.
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13:42.21rm_workyes
13:42.32rm_workbut you said "I bet they will do the android way first"... who is "they"?
13:42.39DocScrutinizerapple
13:42.40javispedroel jobso
13:42.52rm_workbut iOS already has a method for that?
13:43.02rm_workwhy would they be just starting it
13:43.05javispedrona, their current one is palmos-like
13:43.17rm_workright, so what do you mean "first"?
13:43.19DocScrutinizerjust sigstop
13:43.24rm_workthey already have a multitasking method
13:43.48DocScrutinizerindeed, that's a bit confusing
13:44.07javispedropalmos: only one UI process. every app gets stopped when you get back to homescreen/launcher, started when you launch it
13:44.21javispedrodevs get to implement their own state loading/saving routines
13:44.38DocScrutinizeriOS is way beyond that internally
13:45.02javispedroand you have notificacions so that not running apps can get exec() when something interesting happens
13:45.20DocScrutinizerthey already have real dispatcher, and only simulate the palm way
13:45.23javispedrolike "audio buffer nearly empty" or "network activity on port 7777"
13:45.44javispedroDocscrutinizer: if you mean they have a preemptive multitasking base Os,
13:45.52javispedrobe prepared to be surprised.
13:45.57DocScrutinizero.O
13:45.59javispedrothe palm pilot also had one.
13:46.04DocScrutinizerduh
13:46.06DocScrutinizerok
13:46.21javispedrothe rule is : just one UI process.
13:46.54DocScrutinizerso it's kinda like maemo with no apps but desktop widgets ;-P
13:47.52DocScrutinizercheers for QML, fits in there quite nicely X-P
13:47.55psycho_oreosdidn't the old iOS lacked widgets?
13:48.16DocScrutinizerthat's cause every app is a "widget"
13:48.23DocScrutinizeron iOS
13:48.27DocScrutinizeraiui
13:48.33DocScrutinizerj/k
13:48.51javispedrowell i do not think ios puts all all of them in the same process
13:48.58DocScrutinizerjust kidding a lil bit
13:49.25DocScrutinizeryeah, iOS is way beyond that, that's what I said
13:49.49DocScrutinizerand I don't see iOS adopt that concept now
13:50.03DocScrutinizerthat's what rm_work said
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13:51.11javispedroon pos the ui process just exec()d into app X, and expected app X to eventually exec() back into the launcher
13:51.33javispedroI'd expect ios to have a bit more "protection" :P
13:51.52rm_workwouldn't it be *EASIER* just to do proper multitasking? >_>
13:51.57javispedroeven if the core idea is the same
13:52.07rm_workor is all this about saving battery
13:52.14jacekowskirm_work: batter life
13:52.16javispedrorm_work: benefit: week long batterylife for pilot
13:52.27rm_workheh
13:52.30javispedrocompare with wince models of the day
13:52.47rm_workor maemo <_<
13:52.59rm_worki get ~18h battery life
13:53.37rm_workok no, *sometimes* i can get 36-40 hours
13:53.46rm_workbut that's with "light usage"
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13:58.25javispedroheh. nintendo admits using xbox360 footage for yesterdays wiiU demo.
13:59.01kerionot for all the footage though
13:59.06keriothe bird one was the most impressive one
13:59.22kerioindependant cameras with independant blur, 1080p and 480p
13:59.23javispedroI'd expect to be disappointed when the specs are announced
14:01.35javispedroaccording to random internet guy  mr. guy the sdk had 4 core ppc with smt clocked at 3.5, so that's the upper bound :)
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14:11.28RST38h...he intends to exterminate Australia's vast population of feral camels by means of gunfire from helicopters and jeeps, so preventing the beasts from unleashing a deadly planet-wrecking miasma of greenhouse gas from their rumbling guts...
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14:19.14crashanddieRST38h, I'm all for it
14:19.25crashanddieRST38h, as long as the camel meat is sent to countries where they need it
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14:20.04DocScrutinizerrm_work: I get like 7 days of standby here, same as with palmpilot basically
14:20.37krayonWhere are these camels anyway?  There's none here in Melbourne that I can see :/
14:20.46DocScrutinizerand palmpilot also was dead after 4 hours of playing a game that had constantly moving sprites
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15:30.50GAN900Speculation time.
15:31.05GAN900So, assume we've got some sort of announcement coming up on the 21st.
15:31.31GAN900But, as of right now, we have no real information about hardware or software.
15:31.39GAN900Most notably: no SDK.
15:32.23GAN900Given the rumors about the consumer and the dev device
15:32.42SpeedEvilIt's a t-shirt.
15:32.53GAN900does that mean the announcement coming up will basically be an SDK release with hardware?
15:33.01merlin1991SpeedEvil: plain, or does it have a print?
15:33.11GAN900SpeedEvil, and how much RAM?
15:33.30merlin1991also WHAT DOES IT HAVE ON THE BACKPRINT?
15:33.41merlin1991out
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15:34.33SpeedEvilWhen was the n900/maemo 5 SDK released?
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15:34.42SpeedEvilBefore/after announce/
15:39.10javispedroaanounce of what?
15:39.20MohammadAGN900
15:39.20lardmanIt was released before announcement iirc, but only to some devs
15:39.34javispedrothat a N810+1 would be released was known since forever, like we know a N900+1 will be released these days
15:39.40javispedroby that logic, sdk was after announcement
15:39.46lardmanah no, it was released beforehand to everyone wasn't it, and Nokia asked everyone to prepare their packages
15:39.50javispedronow, official announcement of the device happened way after SDK...
15:39.54javispedro*beta sdk
15:40.02lardmanyep
15:40.45lardmanGAN900: I have the same questions though, if we do see some hw, will it just be for devs and come with an SDK and api docs all prepared
15:41.04lardmanin preparation for some other consumer device to come at a later date for example
15:41.33lardmanor perhaps Harmattan is good enough to not need developers' apps to begin with :)
15:41.49javispedroor they do not care any more
15:41.55javispedroan option that gets my vote..
15:42.32lardmanpossible, hard to know what's going on with the dearth of communications
15:43.20GeneralAntillesSpeedEvil, a months before hardware.
15:43.26SpeedEvilGeneralAntilles: Ah - thanks
15:43.40GeneralAntilleshttp://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo_5-0/
15:46.06RST38hWait. Harmattan SDK out?
15:46.24GeneralAntillesNo
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15:47.29SpeedEvilOh wow! http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo_6/
15:47.35SpeedEvil(is completely blank)
15:50.50MohammadAGnope, says 404 for me
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15:51.52MohammadAGQt Creator says Maemo 6/Harmattan somewhere
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15:56.48DocScrutinizerlardman: that's all my hope - "meego harmattan turns out to be just maemo5 with some custom themes" see http://xkcd.com/424
15:57.58DocScrutinizerI mean, really WHO would want to see devels move to a platform that's neither backward compatible to maemo5, nor forward compatible to anything never to come
15:59.23MohammadAGwasn't there a 3D version of xkcd at some point?
15:59.30DocScrutinizerwaiting for the usual apologetics to jump up and shouting "BUT, BUT... there's Qt!!!"
16:00.59Cor-AiMohammadAG: 1 och april i think
16:01.00DocScrutinizernot seeing the rationale behind a proof about Qt allegedly can safe future of a stillborn OS
16:01.12DocScrutinizersave*
16:01.21MohammadAGfound it http://3d.xkcd.com
16:01.59DocScrutinizer...as we could do same proof on maemo5 as well
16:02.21yigalhey I like qml cutetube?
16:02.35yigalI don't know about saving an os either, though
16:02.49DocScrutinizerand should have done it since ages, tho be brecise since meego came with bold statements about the code-once-just-recompile compatibility to maemo
16:03.15DocScrutinizeryay, "... to be precise..."
16:03.28MohammadAGMeeGo ruined Qt imo
16:03.34yigalhow so?
16:03.40lardmanWell I guess that Qt should be more fully supported in the backends dept, which would make migration easy
16:03.55yigalMohammadAG: that's a funny xkcd
16:03.59MohammadAGfirst they encouraged MeeGo Touch Framework (which wasn't that bad, except not portable)
16:04.10MohammadAGthen they deprecated it
16:04.17lardmanheads home, will continue the conversation there
16:04.22yigalbut just once recompile it?
16:04.28MohammadAGNokia also encouraged Qt development
16:04.37yigalright
16:04.40MohammadAGthen they dropped QWidget for QML
16:04.43yigalyes
16:04.56yigalbut then that's on Nokia not Meego
16:05.01MohammadAGwhich is as we all know, very very very light on memory
16:05.21MohammadAGinsert massive sarcasm quotes
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16:05.25yigal:D
16:05.45MohammadAGMeeGo lacks a Qt theme (last I checked), only QML is actually usable
16:06.12MohammadAGSociality for example, uses about 27MBs of RAM when displaying a full 250-ish photo album
16:06.18DocScrutinizerso bottom line: if maemo6 aka meego_harmattan is anything else than just a 100% compatible upgrade to maemo5, it's worthless and my favourite target for bitching and hate
16:06.20MohammadAGwith QML, I'd expect that to be 50ish
16:09.40merlin1991MohammadAG: make a qml ui for sociality just for the lulz
16:09.44merlin1991then "benchmark" it :P
16:10.01MohammadAGmerlin1991, waste of time :p
16:11.29yigalnothing like pancakes in the morning
16:11.34yigalwith black coffee
16:11.41merlin1991cut the coffe part
16:11.43javispedroDocScrutinizer: 100% compatible upgrade? How much have you been with Nokia?
16:11.49javispedros/much/long
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16:14.31yigalmerlin1991: :D
16:15.51javispedrofscking ms support site changes URL so much they basically already dump all of the URL path components into bing and redirect you into the first result.
16:16.05javispedrono matter what link you follow.
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16:17.30Venemo_N900good afternoon
16:17.53andre__DocScrutinizer, let me promise that it's worthless for you, by your definition
16:18.02yigalcb22 is developing this alternative email client called immoral, it would have been funnier if he called it arrogant
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16:19.01yigalor some like ImBetter email client
16:19.26DocScrutinizerandre__: that's what I'm hosestly afraid of, for maemo/meego's sake
16:20.50yigaldoes the Cordia project make you feel a bit better?
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16:22.00yigalI guess not
16:22.58Venemo_N900yo DocScrutinizer
16:23.08Venemo_N900I seem to be late from an interesting discussion
16:23.21javispedroDocScrutinizer: between diablo and fremantle the main differences were... the compositor. and a few upgraded libraries. now ask anyone how much effort costs to keep a single piece of software between the two platforms.
16:24.20DocScrutinizeryigal: cordia makes me feel better about meego, not though about the use of that meego_harmattan chimera
16:24.44DocScrutinizers/use ( purpose /
16:24.50javispedroI mean, Nokia and seeamless upgrade on the same sentence...
16:25.00javispedroseamless, compatible, etc.
16:25.01Venemo_N900javispedro, it doesn't cost me more than a bunch of ifdefs
16:25.35DocScrutinizerjavispedro: my point
16:25.47javispedroVenemo_N900: probably because you don't have software that triggers gcc bugs on diablo =)
16:26.12Venemo_N900javispedro :P
16:26.17javispedroDocScrutinizer: but this is not new then, as andre__ says, by that definition you can rest 100% assured Meego will suck for you :P
16:26.46Venemo_N900well, with meego (not harmattan), nokia's crappyness is out of the picture for good
16:26.59DocScrutinizerthere's simply no obvious benefit out of that meego_harmattan thing. It's just yet another incompatible platform with no parents and no future
16:27.01javispedroI have other requeriments, like, will we really see the supposedly faster/lessmemoryconsuming Qt, well, faster and less memory consuming?
16:27.25javispedroor, will the increased number of components be worth it?
16:27.31javispedro*open components
16:27.33DocScrutinizerjavispedro: and harmattan IS NOT meego, for all I got
16:27.48javispedrowell, replace Meego with Harmattan.
16:27.57javispedroin my previous sentences.
16:28.36Venemo_N900harmattan is crap
16:28.50Venemo_N900but I think we have all agreed on that a long time ago
16:28.52DocScrutinizerthat's the crux, replacing meego by harmattan changes the meaning of it all
16:28.58javispedroWell, not sure.
16:29.08javispedroMeego I've seen.
16:29.21javispedroHarmattan I am yet to see, but hey, if they plan to sell it, it _must_ work.
16:29.33DocScrutinizerharmattan != meego != maemo
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16:29.47DocScrutinizerso WTF *is* harmattan supposed to be?
16:29.53Venemo_N900fortunately because of meego's branding policy, they won't be able to brand harmattan as meego
16:30.02javispedrohas that been decided already?
16:30.05yigala level of crap, right?
16:30.12javispedroDocScrutinizer: harmattan = maemo 6.
16:30.38Venemo_N900javispedro, I think so, but I'm not 100% sure
16:30.49DocScrutinizerwell, IF it really is then my concerns are down to "will they get it right THIS time?"
16:30.57javispedroVenemo_N900: I doubt it at this point.
16:31.14Venemo_N900DocScrutinizer, no they won't
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16:31.20javispedroDocScrutinizer: big NO. better question. "Will it be good enough?"
16:31.32DocScrutinizeralso "will it be worth the effort of upgrading?"
16:31.40andre__upgrading what?
16:31.45Venemo_N900both Diablo and Fremantle were "good enough"
16:31.54javispedroVenemo_N900++
16:31.59DocScrutinizerupgrading maemo5 to maemo6
16:31.59Venemo_N900but I don't think I would ever buy the harmattan device
16:32.05DocScrutinizerobviously
16:32.28Venemo_N900I _may_ "upgrade" my N900 to MeeGo once it becomes usable enough
16:32.37javispedrothat will never happen.
16:32.40javispedroforget about it.
16:32.46DocScrutinizerindeed
16:32.55Venemo_N900harmattan is just another "don't care" thing for me
16:32.56javispedrostatistics says the N900+1 and Harmattan will be "good enough".
16:32.58andre__MeeGo N900 DE != Harmattan
16:33.03javispedroso, everyone will quickly migrate to it.
16:33.12javispedroN900 will be completely forgotten.
16:33.24Venemo_N900javispedro, why, I think MeeGo DE is almost good enough on N900 right now
16:34.12Venemo_N900anyhow, I doubt that I'll replace my N900 in the foreseeable future
16:34.15javispedrowell, tell that to Stskeeps, that's surely to cheer him up after the abill_uk fiasco :)
16:34.48javispedroVenemo_N900: you remind me of myself, 2 years younger, with my N810 in hand.
16:35.08javispedroVenemo_N900: to quoth myself, "I'll port the DIablo UI to the N900".
16:35.18javispedroguess what. never really cared enough.
16:35.27javispedroso I've learnt not to repeat the same mistake.
16:35.44javispedrothe quote must be still somewhere in this channel's logs...
16:35.45Venemo_N900javispedro, if someone gets a real meego device out of their door with a decent enough UX, I'll probably buy
16:36.02Venemo_N900but that will highly likely not be nokia
16:36.31DocScrutinizerfeels like his linux desktop distro announced the'll ship each new rev with KDE++ now, so KDE5 in 2 months, KDE6 in 8 months and so on. That's what Nokia's concept about maemo, harmattan, meego etc feels like
16:37.04Venemo_N900I doubt that harmattan's ux will be that good.
16:37.32javispedroas said, you're echoing the feelings I had two years ago.
16:37.49Venemo_N900DocScrutinizer, the ridiculous thing about it is that harmattan was already late in its schedule at the point when they announced "the merge"
16:37.51javispedro"the fremantle ux sucks. task switching using 2 taps! no fullscreen mode in all apps!"
16:38.06DocScrutinizeryep
16:38.14Venemo_N900so I don't understand why they didn't just drop the whole project
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16:38.28MOUDHey all
16:38.28Venemo_N900javispedro, why, task switch took 2 taps with diablo too
16:39.08DocScrutinizerVenemo_N900: oh?
16:39.20javispedroVenemo_N900: no -- task navigator.
16:39.29MOUDI have reflashed my n900 but the Repositories: Extras-Testing and Extras-Devel are not working. Is there any change for them?
16:39.35vldcnst?seen pupkin
16:39.36DocScrutinizerI seem to be able to click a limited number of tasks directly on left lower side
16:39.37vldcnst!seen pupkin
16:39.44vldcnstseen bot?
16:40.01Venemo_N900javispedro, yeah, but only for the first few apps
16:40.17vldcnst-seen pupkin
16:40.29vldcnstslaps infobot
16:40.33DocScrutinizer~bite vldcnst
16:40.33infobotACTION takes a big bite out of vldcnst's jugular vein
16:40.37vldcnst~seen pupnik
16:40.46infobotpupnik <~pupnik@p54B2A321.dip.t-dialin.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 11d 7h 9m 2s ago, saying: 'o/'.
16:40.46vldcnstslaps infobot harder
16:41.01javispedroer... hello pupnik, how ya going
16:41.19DocScrutinizerpupnik got banned on own explicit request
16:41.26vldcnstpolitical reasons?
16:41.43DocScrutinizerask him, not me
16:44.15merlin1991MOUD: since everyone is busy finding pupnik, what do you mean with not working?
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16:44.26javispedroVenemo_N900: an ages improvement over the fremantle approach to task switching, due to 90% / 10% rule. Most of the time I'm switching between 2 apps only.
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16:44.58Venemo_N900javispedro, I understand
16:45.02merlin1991also monsoon style rain here atm, wtf=
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16:45.19MOUDmerlin1991: Those 2 repositories gives me error 404. Are the links changed or removed?
16:45.20Venemo_N900but the good side is that this way you get more screen space for each app
16:45.28merlin1991what urls do you have?
16:45.37DocScrutinizerjavispedro: that's why MHD made my day, meh year
16:45.59javispedroVenemo_N900: that's where the second complain comes in. On N810 you had pervasive full screen support
16:46.34merlin1991MOUD: I have "deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/ fremantle-1.3 free non-free" for devel in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list
16:46.36DocScrutinizerMOUD: nothing known, maybe you added a typo when adding the repos?
16:46.39Venemo_N900javispedro, ah, yeah. I never used that feature because it prevented me from effective task switching
16:47.04MOUDI'm checking the web link i used
16:47.08javispedronotes the irony of the situation, but hw buttons save the day.
16:47.35DocScrutinizerMOUD: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools
16:47.50DocScrutinizerone-click add of repos
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16:48.11Venemo_N900javispedro :)
16:48.40MOUDgoing to use the link
16:48.45MOUDjust restarted my phone
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16:50.59javispedrobuahahaha diablo-based n900 http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2009/05/nokiarover-1.jpg
16:51.53MohammadAGdoesn't look half bad :p
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16:52.13javispedroincludes what seem to be hardware front buttons!
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16:52.32DocScrutinizerjavispedro: one of the awesome fakes
16:52.37javispedrolet's rumour on it like it was 2009.
16:52.44javispedrosince we have no interesting 2011 fakes.
16:53.05DocScrutinizerdamn, I'll LOVE this device
16:53.33DocScrutinizerhope it'll come with a resistive touchpad as god as my N810's
16:53.54DocScrutinizerbut the kbd layout... EEEW
16:54.06merlin1991ctrl on the right end, wtf?
16:54.19javispedroDocScrutinizer: that's it, that's the spirit!
16:54.31DocScrutinizerwhere are the fekkin cursor keys?
16:55.10javispedrogood point.
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16:58.04javispedromeanwhile, apple plans to build a mothership
16:58.16javispedroas new HQs.
16:58.36DocScrutinizerwill it hover over SF?
16:58.47Venemo_N900xD
16:58.58Venemo_N900no, it will orbit mars
16:59.05DocScrutinizerwill some nerd bring it down with a virus from a windows laptop?
16:59.51MOUDDocScrutinizer, I think it worked.
17:00.08MOUDThanks merlin1991 and DocScrutinizer for the support :)
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17:01.27DocScrutinizeryw
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17:07.26MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, no need, just jailbreak the beta
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17:20.48javispedroso nitdroid is stupidly overclocked to 700Mhz by default?
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17:20.57lardmanre
17:21.09javispedrohi lardman
17:21.11lardmanrealises he didn't do a very good job of re-joining the conversation
17:21.16lardmanhey javispedro
17:21.32lardmanjavispedro: you were indeed right about Ubuntu and the umounting using the ui stuff
17:21.48lardmanthanks
17:21.57javispedrolardman: it is on my todo list to understand what is happening behind the scenes
17:22.05javispedrobecause i have nfi why it happens
17:22.08lardmando let me know if you find out
17:22.12lardman:)
17:22.15RST38hSurrounded by top Republicans and Democrats, President Obama signs the $858 billion tax cut deal that extends the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts for another two years.
17:22.18RST38hHehehe
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17:22.45lardmanI thought he was faced with a cap on the total borrowings?
17:23.20lardmanor debt if you will
17:23.37lardmanhas troubles re-adjusting to windows not moving focus with the mouse. Argh
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17:26.52RST38hlardman: he was faced with angry republican lobbyists who wanted their tax cut
17:27.00RST38hlardman: fuck the cap...
17:27.14GeneralAntillesMore tax cuts, less entitlement spending.
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17:27.50derflardman: The debt ceiling gets raised regularly like clockwork.
17:27.56derfIt doesn't actually limit anything.
17:28.40RST38hGen: Getting any sizable tax cuts? :)
17:30.19GeneralAntillesMe, personally? Don't think so.
17:30.30RST38hGen: make some conclusions.
17:31.48lardmanderf: I was laughing yesterday at the potential jump from BBB- to junk for Nokia bonds - seems like they have limited the available alphabet a little, like our GCSE and A-levels over here
17:33.29derflardman: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bond_credit_rating
17:34.11derfBBB- is the last prime or "investment grade" rating in the S&P scheme.
17:34.33derfThere are of course a lot of varieties of "junk".
17:37.07DocScrutinizerponders to buy Nokia on penny stock level
17:37.14RST38hMeanwhile: Apple has become the world's largest OEM buyer of seminconductors, leaving both Hewlett-Packard and Samsung in the dust, according to industry research outfit IHS iSuppli
17:37.56RST38hDoc: then burn it, while dancing around the fire and giggling?
17:37.58javispedroprobably to be used into their mothership
17:38.06Venemo_N900heh
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17:47.28lardmanthanks derf
17:48.41maybeHerehttp://fastcache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/4/2010/06/steve-jobs-full-bars.jpg
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17:50.31RST38hLooks more like an "operation in progress" icon
17:51.11javispedrois it me or does el jobso resemble Spock more and more every day
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17:52.29RST38hjavispedro: it is the vice versa
17:52.50RST38hSteve invented Spock!
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17:54.09javispedroin a few years they'll hire him for the Nth StarTrek reboot.
17:54.15javispedros/hire/cast
17:54.59RST38hHe won't live this long =(
17:55.51GeneralAntillesPoor bastard.
17:55.59GeneralAntillesApple's not going to be the same without him.
17:56.16RST38hYep, as much as I hate the cult
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18:02.42swordihello guys
18:03.10swordianyone running maemo on hd2?
18:03.22swordii tried it, but it didn't work for me, so i switched back 2 android
18:03.53RST38hgood for you, except that maemo does not run on hd2
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18:04.00swordiwhy
18:04.23swordithere are maemo builds out there
18:04.35RST38hbecause it is square while hd2 is round.
18:05.23swordii'm not sure if this has something to do with the shape of the hd2
18:05.31wmaronethere are no "maemo" builds for anything but the N900
18:05.37wmaroneI think you mean "MeeGo"
18:05.42wmarone#meego
18:05.43GeneralAntilles(and the N810, N800, and 770)
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18:05.57wmaroneGeneralAntilles: but are they really the same?
18:06.00swordiis there a n900 emulator for the hd2 ?
18:06.04wmaroneno
18:06.12javispedrothey are all square.
18:06.15RST38hAh, the trolls nowadays...
18:06.15swordibut i want maemo on my hd2
18:06.28RST38hEasily replacable with a small Perl script.
18:06.40GeneralAntillesWell, if it's lowercase maemo, then yes. :P
18:06.51GeneralAntillesswordi, then you want an N900.
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18:07.01swordiGeneralAntilles, ok, i will buy one
18:07.02javispedroGeneralAntilles: maybe he/she wants a 770.
18:07.06swordithank you for you help
18:07.06RST38hswordi: You ave said you are already running maemo on your hd2
18:07.14swordino i said i tried it
18:07.17RST38hswordi: So, how come you "want it"?
18:07.21swordibut it didnt work as i already mentioned
18:07.32swordibecause i want it working
18:08.10swordianyway, will order a n900 now
18:08.13swordithank you guys for your help!
18:08.39javispedroyw
18:09.32GeneralAntilleslol
18:09.50GeneralAntillesN9 is going to be out week after next and swordi's going to be so disappointed.
18:10.13Venemo_N900heheh
18:10.31javispedroGeneralAntilles: I was going to congratulate RST38h on assing such a hard sale
18:10.37swordiwhat advantages has n9
18:10.42swordiin comparison to n900
18:10.55swordii don't see any differences, except its more expensive
18:11.39Venemo_N900noone knows yet
18:11.51MohammadAGno one even knows the price
18:12.01javispedrono one _should_ know the differences
18:12.03MohammadAGor the specs
18:13.10MohammadAGinsert javispedro's should in all my statements
18:13.12ShadowJKHeck, it's getting difficult to know the price of N900 too
18:13.46MohammadAGstill $500 in local stores here
18:14.11GeneralAntillesswordi: basically it comes down to it being 2.5 years newer, though. ;)
18:14.56javispedroGeneralAntilles: wait until the announcement before making that statemement.
18:15.02javispedro"just in case".
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18:15.19ShadowJKYeah I was going to say 1-1.5 years newer :P
18:15.32swordiwell, if someone would ask me if i would buy a hd7 or hd2, i would choose hd2, same hardware, other case
18:15.34GAN900javispedro, hehe
18:15.36javispedroall I know is that we can safely assume it is 0.5 years newer.
18:17.29DocScrutinizersure about that?
18:17.39GAN900Well
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18:18.05GAN900The first announcement came during Amsterdam.
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18:18.14DocScrutinizerit might as well be N900 predecessor that got postponed due to availability of SoC ;-P
18:18.33javispedrowell, I do not think it's going to be an OMAP2.
18:18.51javispedrobut who knows maybe they fixed the mbx drivers.
18:18.57DocScrutinizernah, OMAP4 been around as vaporware since ages
18:19.41javispedrorepartitions sd card, total number of OSes = 4
18:19.42SpeedEvilOmap4 has been sampling on panda only for a few months I think
18:19.44DocScrutinizerit's actually not unheard that a design gets postponed to go for a downgraded successor
18:19.49SpeedEvilIt may have been sampling before then
18:20.07javispedro<PROTECTED>
18:20.12javispedro*OMAP36xx
18:20.34MohammadAGhasn't the N950 been available/leaked in 2010?
18:20.37DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: I never seen any hw design getting started only after first samples of key components shipped from the chip manufs
18:20.44DocScrutinizeryou start way earlier
18:20.51javispedroMohammadAG: even earlier.
18:20.58javispedroMohammadAG: but, "N950"? cmon.
18:21.24DocScrutinizerthen eventually sometimes you learn your components are discontinued prematurely or simply late by years, and you bin the whole thing, or postpone it
18:21.55MohammadAGjavispedro, N9? That's WP7
18:22.37javispedroyes, a keyboard-ed WP7 device..
18:23.00SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer; yeah - I know.
18:23.36GeneralAntillesMohammadAG: N950 is a metaphor.
18:23.49SpeedEvilno, it's the last best hope for peace.
18:23.55DocScrutinizerso for all we know the omap36 N999 could actually be N900 predecessor ;-P
18:23.56MohammadAGfor Duke Nukem Forever?
18:24.12GeneralAntillesMohammadAG, we don't actually have a model name for N900+1 (N9 is currently still the most likely, though).
18:24.31MohammadAGGeneralAntilles, didn't Nokia say it was N950?
18:24.53GeneralAntillesMohammadAG, that was an illustration device. To say the N900+1 was more like an N950 than anything else.
18:25.00GeneralAntilles(N900, but more)
18:25.03javispedroGeneralAntilles++
18:25.04DocScrutinizernokia didn't say anything, as they *never* do
18:25.13MohammadAGk, I'll use RM-680 till it's announced
18:25.20javispedropfft.
18:25.23javispedrouse N900+1.
18:25.28RST38hUse the "Last1"
18:25.37MohammadAGsorry, that's like N900/0 to me
18:25.39RST38hit sounds more hip
18:25.50javispedroor just say "the thing", like I do in RL casual conversation.
18:25.57GeneralAntilles2L8
18:25.59GeneralAntillesThat's hip.
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18:26.38Venemo_N900heh
18:26.48Venemo_N900why N950? why not N910?
18:26.50javispedroheh
18:27.17Venemo_N900whatever, I don't care
18:27.27javispedroGeneralAntilles: indeed, potentially the best name :)
18:27.41RST38h"2L8" is definitely ultra hip
18:27.46RST38hNokia 2L8
18:27.53GeneralAntillesVenemo_N900: because it's more of an upgrade than the N800 -> N810.
18:28.00Trewasif the huge thread in TMO is to be believed there are actually two N900+1 devices, a developer-only model with keyboard and a keyboardless device they will actually sell, the consumer device presumably being newer/better hardware
18:28.05GeneralAntillesSince the N810 was just an N800 with a keyboard and a transflective screen.
18:28.10javispedroGeneralAntilles: as I was saying, wait until the announcement to make those bold statements.
18:28.14RST38hTrewas: do not believe stuff you see on tmo
18:28.14Venemo_N900then let's call it N1000
18:28.25SpeedEvil<PROTECTED>
18:28.28SpeedEvil2009
18:28.31GeneralAntillesRST38h, source wasn't TMO.
18:28.37GeneralAntillesI'd put some faith in that one.
18:28.44RST38hwill see
18:28.45GeneralAntillesGiven the number of RM-* codes.
18:28.49GeneralAntillesIndeed we will.
18:28.53SpeedEvil2009-10-20.021943+0100BST.txt:(10:00:38 PM) acidjazz: oh wait this is the n950 no wonder its 1/2 as thick w/ 1024x768 res and a 5 row kb. oh an umbrella too nice.
18:28.56Venemo_N900SpeedEvil, that 'N950' was just a concept drawing from some random guy
18:28.56RST38hto me, TWO Harmattan devices sounds like one too many
18:29.05RST38hGiven the clusterfuck
18:29.19Venemo_N900two harmattan devices are two too many
18:29.20SpeedEvilRST38h: I dunno.
18:29.35javispedroand since I believe a dev-only device is commercial suicide, it'll be probably cancelled.
18:29.43SpeedEvilRST38h: I could believe two harmattan devices released - each released by a seperate arm of Nokia that diddn't know of the other.
18:29.50GeneralAntillesHehe
18:29.50javispedrospecially when Elop gets news of that =)
18:29.55Venemo_N900xD
18:30.04javispedroor.
18:30.12javispedromaybe it's part of Elops plan to bring nokia stock to the penny.
18:30.41Venemo_N900xD
18:30.42GeneralAntillesThen Nokia can buy them up for pennies!
18:30.48GeneralAntilless/Nokia/MS/
18:31.20javispedrothose kinds of Nokia buying Nokia stock jokes remind me of Palm/PalmSource/PalmOne
18:31.34javispedroanother clusterfsck.
18:32.07RST38hyes but that one was well deserved
18:32.20RST38hREALLY bad engineering at the end there
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18:52.02MohammadAGwhere are gconf values stored?
18:52.12prontoover there *points*
18:52.32javispedroMohammadAG: on Maemo? /var/lib/gconf/sth
18:52.46javispedro770-days heritage iirc.
18:52.46MohammadAGty javispedro
18:52.57MohammadAGexpected somewhere in $HOME
18:52.58MohammadAGoh well
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19:13.54javispedroso, why does MohammadAG appear as maintainer of multiboot?
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19:21.33MohammadAGjavispedro, I helped with packaging and stuff
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19:22.49javispedroaha.
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19:34.15GAN900Evil bastard.
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19:39.15MohammadAGGAN900, sue me
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19:41.01hiemanshugets the lawyers to send the papers to MohammadAG
19:41.23MohammadAGI'm under 18, you can't sue a minor
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19:59.16Gh0styhttps://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9943
19:59.17povbot04Bug 9943: MfE Wizard fails if exchange server hostname has IPv4 and IPv6 addresses
19:59.27Gh0stysince this is ipv6 day after all :p
20:00.17Macerwtf
20:00.45Macerm.google.com won't work with mfe
20:01.01Macerdid google get rid of exchange support?
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20:02.26alteregoHrm, how to keep two N900s in sync ..
20:02.39alteregoMaybe rsync, but that'd be quite heavy me thinks.
20:04.03MohammadAGquestion is, why sync two N900s :P
20:04.05acidjazz[18:28] < SpeedEvil> 2009-10-20.021943+0100BST.txt:(10:00:38 PM) acidjazz: oh wait this is the n950 no wonder its 1/2 as thick w/ 1024x768 res and a 5 row
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20:04.06acidjazzlollll
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20:39.08MohammadAGthis changes everything http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/08/periodic-table-welcomes-two-new-ultraheavy-elements-jury-still/ :P
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21:02.50pensteris there a better device runnin maemo than n900
21:03.00SpeedEvilno, there isn't
21:03.58pensterhmmm..... if it wasnt for battery life
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21:10.22SpeedEvilstandby battery life for me is quite good.
21:16.37cehtehSpeedEvil: well the problem is that most people want to use the device :)
21:16.49SpeedEvilTrue.
21:17.19SpeedEvilIt regrettably won't last a day if i'm out for 8 hoursish wanting it to entertain me for most of that.
21:17.54SpeedEvilBattery usage with 3g active is best described by the phrase 'nom nom nom'
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21:18.36cehtehwhatching youtube on 3g ... i never tried but prolly your battery would last 1 hr or less
21:19.36SpeedEvilnaah.
21:19.38SpeedEvilNot less.
21:19.55SpeedEvilBut not very close to 2h.
21:22.20cehtehbut you can use the device as pizza oven :)
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21:24.16ShadowJKwhen I'm at 9km from base station, hspa seems to use about 700-900mA
21:24.19MohammadAGscrew flash, use your own player
21:24.35MohammadAGI use either QtMultimediaKit or mplayer, both work well
21:24.45ShadowJKwithin 1km indoor or 2km outdoor of same basestation, it's more like 350mA
21:25.27SpeedEvilMohammadAG: Sometimes you can't not use flash.
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21:26.01SpeedEvilunless you do hte 'work out the sites protocol, and reverse engineer a client' for it thing.
21:28.02MohammadAGwhat sites need flash and open fine on the N900 anyway
21:28.18DocScrutinizer...meanwhile: kino.to down + 13 arrested. Germany had its first IPv6 test day. Facebook enable face detection for german site
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21:32.16DocScrutinizerumm, youtube, MohammadAG
21:34.42MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, use custom scripts to watch them in mplayer
21:34.52MohammadAGor qmltube (it's actually good for a qml app)
21:34.58DocScrutinizerwhy?
21:35.12MohammadAGbattery life
21:35.16DocScrutinizermhm
21:35.27DocScrutinizerthat might be a point
21:35.40MohammadAGand better quality
21:35.48MohammadAGyoutube plays at like 240p in the browser
21:35.57DocScrutinizeryeah
21:36.10MohammadAGqmltube can play 360p
21:36.18MohammadAG(or 480p, not sure)
21:36.23MohammadAGbut either way, that's better than youtube.com
21:36.38MohammadAGI also handle videos in Sociality, with QtMultimedia (which works quite well)
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21:40.38DocScrutinizerI love how N900 works for this page: http://www.3sat.de/mediathek/mediathek.php?obj=25707&mode=play
21:41.00DocScrutinizereven on "dsl 1mb" over UMTS
21:41.42DocScrutinizerwell, no flash but avi or sth, in mediaplayer
21:41.53DocScrutinizerthe way it *should* be
21:43.57MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, a mozilla dev can easily help out
21:44.09DocScrutinizerwhile this one http://www.tagesschau.de/multimedia/sendung/ts27094.html kinda sucks
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21:44.30MohammadAGa plugin that calls some other app which plays the video would be very appreciated
21:44.35DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: help out on what?
21:44.37MohammadAGthe way the iPhone does it
21:44.48MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, forward the .flv or .swf link
21:45.00MohammadAGI have no idea about microB/firefox plugin devel
21:47.13hiemanshuthe way iPhone does is it to find if the site supports mp4 playback (not sure about 3gp), and if it does, it opens it up in quicktime
21:47.28hiemanshuYoutube is opened by the youtube app that opens it as mp4
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21:48.12hiemanshuif there is no mp4 support, the video just wont play, which is why we have this other browser
21:48.18hiemanshucan't recall the namne
21:48.20hiemanshuname*
21:48.26hiemanshuit supposedly can play flash stuff
21:48.31lardmanre
21:48.54hiemanshuskyfire is the name
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21:55.23MohammadAGhiemanshu, point is, it doesn't play videos it can play in the browser
21:55.43hiemanshuMohammadAG: yes
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21:59.07lardmandislikes the Ubunto 11.04 launcher
21:59.15lardmans/o/u
21:59.58MohammadAGUnity?
22:00.34lardmanno idea, bar down the lefthand side
22:00.45MohammadAGthat's not just a launcher :p
22:00.54MohammadAGit's Unity
22:00.56lardmanam wondering how to get back to the old-skool stuff
22:00.56hiemanshuis yet to try installing scratchbox on a fedora machine
22:01.20MohammadAGlogout, select Ubuntu classic in the bottom thing before entering your pass
22:01.28MohammadAG(and after selecting your username)
22:01.34hiemanshulardman: delete Ubuntu and install Fedora? :P
22:01.34lardmanI don't have that menu any more
22:01.44lardmanhiemanshu: ;)
22:01.50MohammadAGyou should, Ubuntu 11.04 has it
22:02.16MohammadAG11.10 won't
22:02.23hiemanshulardman: enter your username, hit enter, and it should show you the menu
22:02.26lardmanwell perhaps it has removed the other wms so doesn't show it?
22:02.27MohammadAGlardman, http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-xTketT17548/Tc3r18TqTDI/AAAAAAAAAIk/pqVSSnyEDcI/s1600/regular-ubuntu11.04-desktop.png
22:02.39MohammadAGno, there's a recovery console mode
22:02.42hiemanshuUbuntu is meh
22:02.55MohammadAGFedora is meh
22:03.04hiemanshuMohammadAG: :P
22:03.05MohammadAGputs on flamewar hat and foam finger
22:03.19lardmandoesn't care, but Maemo dev is at least possible under Ubuntu
22:03.40lardmanouch, foam will melt
22:03.49hiemanshujust ported one his PyQt to C++
22:03.56MohammadAG~fedora
22:04.10lardmanMohammadAG: it's a hat
22:04.14lardman;)
22:04.16MohammadAGlardman, I know :p
22:04.25MohammadAGbut ~ubuntu is umm, nsfw
22:04.34MohammadAGjust thought someone had a witty "definition"
22:04.35lardman:D
22:04.38hiemanshusomeone once told me that a fedora would look nice on me
22:04.40MohammadAG~ubuntu
22:04.40infoboti guess ubuntu is caca from this ass http://img394.imageshack.us/img394/3843/18427557718e22857e9rb.jpg
22:04.57hiemanshuhah
22:04.58lardmanhmm, not sure about witty :D
22:05.02hiemanshuInvalid domain :P
22:05.23nox-hiemanshu, ubuntu is an ancient african word for `i could not configure debian'
22:05.24nox-:P
22:05.28MohammadAGdamn imageshack
22:05.44lardmanUbuntu is certainly better than Mandrake
22:05.55lardmanbut still has no clue about multi-head support
22:06.09hiemanshunox-: and debian is an ancient word for 'I couldn't use slackware, and rpm based stuff is too l33t for me' :P
22:06.19nox-:)
22:06.28lardmanThere are still, unfortunately, some things where Windows is light years ahead of Linux
22:06.31hiemanshuMandrake? didn't they change names to Mandriva?
22:06.43hiemanshulardman: like BSODs?
22:06.48lardmanhiemanshu: probably, was a long time ago
22:07.00wblazelardman: xorg autodetects all of my multihead setups
22:07.07lardmanhiemanshu: bsod, not seen one of those recently, in fact seen more oopses tbh
22:07.15wblazeusually even gets the monitor placement right
22:07.21lardmanwblaze: how many monitors and cards?
22:07.25wmaronewblaze: but how easy is it to reconfigure?
22:07.38wblazedead simple, imo
22:07.50lardmanwblaze: and do you have to have a separate X-server per monitor?
22:08.04hiemanshulardman: I haven't seen one in ages too, mostly because my windows machine is only used for gaming and media
22:08.12wmaronels
22:08.14wmaronedoh
22:08.33lardmanhiemanshu: I use one at work, it still has some serious usability advantages over Linux
22:08.37wblazeand depends on the system, 1x2, 2x4, 3x3 that i can think of off the top of my hea
22:08.40wblazed
22:09.09hiemanshulardman: I agree to that, but I am really more to used to the commandline now
22:09.20lardmanI have 3 monitors, 2 cards, one nVidia one ATi, have to use the deprecated Xinerama, have to set up myself
22:09.33wblazethe 3x3 is seperate, but i think there was a reason I did that
22:09.44DocScrutinizerbuntkuh, meh! http://xkcd.com/424/
22:09.47wblazedon't remember why, though
22:09.53lardmanbecause it;s really hard for them to be joined? ;)
22:09.54hiemanshulardman: eh, cant you just go into settings and change it?
22:09.58hiemanshulardman: works for me
22:10.06lardmanhiemanshu: nope, it is uninterested
22:10.15lardmanXorg.conf all the way unfortunately
22:10.31hiemanshulardman: WTF, I would just go to display settings, make a change, and it has always worked
22:11.03lardmandisplay settings has never liked the fact I have 2 different vendors' cards
22:11.13lardmanan when it does play ball it screws up the res
22:12.05lardmanconsidering the effort it takes to set it all up again, I'm loathe to move to something else while I want to do anything useful with the box
22:12.56lardmanand let's not move onto hw accel across multi-head setups, especially those with multiple vendors ;)
22:14.00lardmanis no Windows zealot, just likes the fact some simple things just work
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22:22.25GAN900Hellooo, OS X.
22:22.53RST38hOS X does not work for me
22:23.12RST38hWiFi can;t stay up for more than 5 minutes. Videos did not play out of the box.
22:25.39GAN900Video doesn't play out on the box on anything.
22:26.06MohammadAGit does on my PS3 :p
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22:57.57DocScrutinizermeh
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23:33.54VenemoDocScrutinizer, meh indeed
23:34.16DocScrutinizer51my MEH day
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23:39.49nox-whats up?
23:49.24GeneralAntillesMeh U
23:50.29nox-none the wiser
23:57.20dangergrrlDocScrutinizer51: how much paracord do i need?
23:57.37dangergrrlis 30meters enough
23:58.10dangergrrlsorry you likely do not know
23:58.16DocScrutinizer51what's paracord?
23:58.26dangergrrlultralight rope
23:58.40dangergrrlfor living outside
23:59.03dangergrrldid not thing you would answer anyhow
23:59.32dangergrrland i have been having bacardi 151
23:59.58lcukMohammadAG51, #liqbase ping

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