| 00:10.57 | Macer | thor was stupid |
| 00:11.18 | Macer | i skipped through 80% of it |
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| 00:25.59 | MohammadAG | copying from eMMC to HDD to uSD is faster than eMMC to uSD for some reason |
| 00:26.31 | merlin1991 | weird |
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| 00:26.47 | MohammadAG | could be cause I'm using the same USB connection (obviously) |
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| 00:29.09 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: Copying directly - on the device - goes about as fast as simply reading |
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| 00:29.44 | MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, no, using a USB connection both ways |
| 00:30.24 | SpeedEvil | yeah - I know |
| 00:30.38 | MohammadAG | shouldn't the eMMC be faster over USB? |
| 00:30.47 | SpeedEvil | Why? |
| 00:31.03 | SpeedEvil | dd - or something on device - is gaster |
| 00:31.14 | SpeedEvil | faster |
| 00:31.25 | SpeedEvil | As there is no USB load. There isn't much in it though |
| 00:31.55 | MohammadAG | dding something on the eMMC kills my device |
| 00:32.03 | SpeedEvil | Odd./ |
| 00:32.19 | MohammadAG | I had to reboot while it was dding once |
| 00:33.50 | cehteh | from µSD to emmc? |
| 00:34.20 | cehteh | there is some race, the kernel will eventually recover but you have to be very patient |
| 00:34.51 | cehteh | means, waiting for 20 minutes or so :P |
| 00:35.02 | MohammadAG | I waited for an hour :p |
| 00:35.07 | cehteh | same for rsyncing at full speed |
| 00:35.40 | cehteh | i usually just use --bwlimit to throttle it at lets say 75% of maximum speed that works more reliable for me |
| 00:35.41 | MohammadAG | anyway, 5+7 minutes is better than 1 hour |
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| 00:36.42 | SpeedEvil | Odd |
| 00:36.47 | SpeedEvil | rsync just works for me |
| 00:36.59 | cehteh | from emmc to µsd? |
| 00:37.07 | SpeedEvil | oh |
| 00:37.17 | SpeedEvil | I use it from emmc to PC over wifi |
| 00:37.19 | SpeedEvil | so... |
| 00:37.42 | cehteh | yes thats not a problem there is some race when you use µsd and emmc both at high/max speed |
| 00:38.26 | cehteh | sometimes happens, sometimes not.. if you transfer massive amounts of data then you see it most likely |
| 00:38.32 | cehteh | if it also swaps then more |
| 00:38.51 | MohammadAG | so I've moved my songs from the eMMC to my uSD |
| 00:39.00 | cehteh | why with dd? |
| 00:39.12 | MohammadAG | umm, normal cp actually |
| 00:39.17 | MohammadAG | never said dd |
| 00:39.28 | cehteh | ah SpeedEvil did |
| 00:39.30 | MohammadAG | hopefully playback performance will increase now |
| 00:39.36 | cehteh | how that? |
| 00:39.51 | cehteh | playing songs at twice their speed? :) |
| 00:39.59 | MohammadAG | less simultaneous access to the eMMC |
| 00:40.12 | MohammadAG | where does DBus "live" btw? |
| 00:40.19 | SpeedEvil | I may have just been doing read/write tests - I don't think I did read/write between devices |
| 00:40.21 | cehteh | has no problems with playback except under really high load |
| 00:40.29 | SpeedEvil | dbus is not a filesystem |
| 00:40.33 | MohammadAG | I know |
| 00:40.43 | cehteh | its a daemon |
| 00:40.45 | SpeedEvil | OTOH - recording is rarely completely smooth for me. |
| 00:40.47 | MohammadAG | but why does DBus choke when the system is under load |
| 00:40.48 | SpeedEvil | Which is annoying |
| 00:40.55 | SpeedEvil | Dbus is a process. |
| 00:40.59 | SpeedEvil | It requires scheduling. |
| 00:41.02 | cehteh | MohammadAG: maybe swapping? |
| 00:41.09 | SpeedEvil | ^video recording |
| 00:41.22 | MohammadAG | DBus slowdown is the only thing causing bad media playback |
| 00:41.26 | cehteh | yes video gets easily jittery |
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| 00:43.00 | cehteh | playing netradio, having microb open with a massive page (whole book) and doing fapman updating .. now audio had some short gap |
| 00:43.27 | cehteh | swapping i say |
| 00:43.29 | lolcat | How do I accept dcc? |
| 00:43.59 | cehteh | rtfm about your IRC channel? open your firewall |
| 00:44.03 | Scifi | Can anyone recommend the "right" way to run cron jobs as root? The app Alarmed doesn't cut it for me |
| 00:44.05 | cehteh | .. forget about dcc |
| 00:45.28 | cehteh | alarmd never worked for me too, but i didnt tried hard |
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| 00:46.51 | SpeedEvil | Scifi: I dunno. |
| 00:47.08 | SpeedEvil | Scifi: I added a file to /etc/sudoers.d - to add a line to sudoers for a script |
| 00:47.31 | Scifi | I want to run a backup script as root. |
| 00:47.42 | SpeedEvil | And then sudo script |
| 00:48.31 | Scifi | SpeedEvil: I added user to to sudoers for that one command. Then it got more complicated because I am using gpg encryption keys which are not available for user. |
| 00:49.18 | cehteh | Scifi: for that i have a ssh-cron-agent script which can be used from any kind of automatic scripts |
| 00:49.26 | cehteh | (didnt used it on the n900 yet) |
| 00:49.33 | SpeedEvil | sudo also lets you run stuff as root |
| 00:50.12 | Scifi | cehteh: Is there any package dependency for it to run? |
| 00:51.03 | cehteh | no its just a bash script and i am searching for it to put it on my server wait a minute |
| 00:51.09 | cehteh | well it needs ssh-agent of course |
| 00:51.28 | cehteh | it starts a ssh-agent in the back which is used by scripts |
| 00:52.03 | cehteh | you have to preen this ssh-agent once with the key of course, thats the price of security and not having passwordless keys |
| 00:52.11 | Scifi | SpeedEvil: sudo command is working fine but the script I am running (with sudo) calls duplicity and uses encryption keys which are not available for user. I want to avoid adding the keys to user. |
| 00:52.32 | SpeedEvil | you use sudo to run the command as root |
| 00:52.39 | SpeedEvil | Sorry - not understanding the problem. |
| 00:53.22 | Scifi | SpeedEvil:sudo /root/backupscript.sh is the command |
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| 00:54.38 | SpeedEvil | With a properly setup sudoers file, this will run the command as root |
| 00:54.39 | Scifi | SpeedEvil: backupscript.sh has this command duplicity remove-older-than 1M --encrypt-key "****" --sign-key blah blah.. |
| 00:55.49 | Scifi | When i run the command as user gpg cries saying secret keys are missing |
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| 00:56.32 | Scifi | /root/.gnupg has the secret keys, /home/user/.gnupg does not have the secret keys |
| 00:56.44 | SpeedEvil | You've not setup sudoers right. |
| 00:56.56 | SpeedEvil | If you set it up right - it will run the script as root when you use sudo |
| 00:57.32 | Scifi | user ALL = NOPASSWD: /root/backupscript.sh |
| 00:57.42 | Scifi | Isn't that correct? |
| 00:58.53 | cehteh | what password does it ask, user password or for some backup server where you want to push the backup to? |
| 00:59.16 | cehteh | and iirc without spaces around the = .. but i am not sure, i dont rtfm right now |
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| 01:00.22 | Scifi | gpg: no default secret key: secret key not available |
| 01:00.37 | Scifi | gpg: [stdin]: sign+encrypt failed: secret key not available |
| 01:00.44 | SpeedEvil | Scifi: you know that sudoers is overwritten at each boot? |
| 01:00.53 | cehteh | outch |
| 01:01.00 | cehteh | nokiaisms |
| 01:01.10 | cehteh | SpeedEvil: really? |
| 01:01.16 | cehteh | unbelieveable |
| 01:01.36 | Scifi | SpeedEvil: Haven't had that problem. |
| 01:01.41 | SpeedEvil | see above comments about *.d directory |
| 01:02.32 | Scifi | That sudoers command is in /etc/sudoers.d/backup.sudoers |
| 01:02.43 | cehteh | http://www.pipapo.org/snippets/ssh-cron-agent anyways, just in case its for any use for you |
| 01:02.55 | SpeedEvil | Scifi: you know that's only copied to sudoers at boot? |
| 01:02.56 | Scifi | cehteh: Thanks, will try |
| 01:03.22 | cehteh | instead the crontab @reboot of course a event.d or init.d startup will do too |
| 01:03.32 | Scifi | SpeedEvil: Not aware of that |
| 01:04.05 | Scifi | SpeedEvil: any suggestions on changing the sudoers? |
| 01:04.19 | cehteh | Scifi: you send the backup to another computer? |
| 01:04.21 | SpeedEvil | reboot, or echo the line into it |
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| 01:04.36 | cehteh | i'd recomment to pull the backup rather than pushing it then |
| 01:05.34 | Scifi | cehteh: Yes currently pushing to server. Using autodisconnect so have tweak it little to make pull from server work. But will try that option as well |
| 01:06.57 | Scifi | SpeedEvil: I added the file long time ago (month), rebooted many times after that. sudo seems to be working. For example, I get perm denied when i run $/root/backupscript.sh |
| 01:07.10 | SpeedEvil | k |
| 01:07.29 | Scifi | SpeedEvil: But the script starts when i run $sudo /root/backupscript.sh although it fails later with gpg error. |
| 01:08.08 | SpeedEvil | Well - it sounds like somehow it's not running as the right user - unless I've misunderstood. |
| 01:09.33 | cehteh | Scifi: perhaps sudo doesnt provide a full login environment so you are still in the wrong $HOME |
| 01:10.40 | Scifi | SpeedEvil:cehteh: Yes that is my understanding too. |
| 01:11.09 | cehteh | uses 'sudo su -' on his laptop to get a real root |
| 01:11.40 | cehteh | i dont do such tricks on the n900 |
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| 01:11.51 | lolcat | Hello |
| 01:12.07 | lolcat | My bitcoin investment paid of, I am now 6800% richer than when I started |
| 01:12.12 | Scifi | FWIW I have a check in script to exit the script if user is not root --> if [ `whoami` != "root" ]; then log error and quit |
| 01:12.16 | lolcat | When will the N9 be aout? |
| 01:12.34 | Jartza | a.out |
| 01:12.45 | cehteh | never? tomorrow? someday? .. who knows |
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| 01:13.10 | lolcat | out* |
| 01:13.15 | lolcat | Isn't it revealed yet? |
| 01:13.17 | cehteh | lolcat: when did you started? |
| 01:13.25 | lolcat | Dec 4th 2010 |
| 01:13.31 | cehteh | isnt sure if all is a scam, most likely it is |
| 01:13.42 | lolcat | All what is a scam? |
| 01:13.49 | cehteh | bitcoin |
| 01:13.56 | lolcat | Why would it? |
| 01:14.00 | cehteh | not the idea but how its pushed currently |
| 01:14.21 | lolcat | I can now buy an Asus EEE Pad Transformer *AND* a Nokia N9 |
| 01:14.22 | cehteh | rumors say the initiators herding many bitcoins |
| 01:14.42 | lolcat | Why would they? |
| 01:15.06 | cehteh | keep demand low, increase the value .. hype it and then bail out |
| 01:15.31 | lolcat | Nobody with high volume would profit of dumping it |
| 01:15.38 | cehteh | err keep supply low |
| 01:15.45 | cehteh | we'll see |
| 01:15.46 | lolcat | With the voulme of sales today, it can be sustained |
| 01:16.17 | cehteh | well we'll see |
| 01:16.41 | cehteh | i dont have any machine where it is economic to mine with and i have no one who owes me bitcoins |
| 01:16.52 | cehteh | so i stopped my node for now and wait and see |
| 01:17.26 | cehteh | also the idea to waste electricity to generate bitcoins is a bit borked |
| 01:17.37 | lolcat | I have free power |
| 01:17.43 | cehteh | some timestamping and signing would be better |
| 01:17.56 | cehteh | no power is free, someone has to pay for it |
| 01:18.08 | cehteh | maybe not you |
| 01:18.22 | lolcat | I pay |
| 01:18.28 | cero_absoluto | whoa bitcoins |
| 01:18.32 | lolcat | But I pay a fixed amount |
| 01:18.41 | cehteh | well you could send me 0.001 bc just to get my balance out of 0 :) |
| 01:18.44 | lolcat | Is it possible to run bitcoin on Meego? |
| 01:18.57 | cehteh | you burn your device most likely |
| 01:18.57 | lolcat | cehteh: Can you send me a N9? |
| 01:19.02 | cehteh | haha no |
| 01:19.35 | lolcat | I am using a damn Nokia N97 mini |
| 01:19.37 | cehteh | i am only asked for 0.001 .. thats how much worth in $ at the current imaginary exchange value? |
| 01:19.40 | lolcat | It sucks SO hard |
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| 01:19.53 | lolcat | cehteh: It is around $16.50 now |
| 01:20.01 | cehteh | whats the smallest amount of bitcoins you can send around? |
| 01:20.01 | lolcat | But my wallet is encrypted |
| 01:20.10 | myuu | does anyone use that twitter plugin for conversations/contacts? |
| 01:20.11 | cehteh | yes and? |
| 01:20.17 | lolcat | myuu: No |
| 01:20.27 | cehteh | i thought all wallets are encrypted |
| 01:20.36 | lolcat | cehteh: Decryption have been shown to be a pain in the ass |
| 01:20.44 | lolcat | I keep decrypting the wrong folder xD |
| 01:20.46 | cehteh | heh |
| 01:21.06 | cehteh | so you cant access your bitcoins easily? |
| 01:21.12 | cehteh | and you cant split them? |
| 01:21.26 | cehteh | i am noob there i only skimmed the webpage |
| 01:21.54 | cehteh | generally i like the idea in some ways, but in other ways its also capitalism at its worst |
| 01:22.07 | cehteh | the rich will get richer and the poor poorer |
| 01:22.27 | cehteh | its just imaginary money |
| 01:24.06 | cehteh | once had a idea about a exchange p2p network but never implemented it |
| 01:24.27 | cehteh | would be the ebay killer, except its fair so likely would have no success because you cant scam people |
| 01:24.50 | SpeedEvil | cehteh: VOLUME |
| 01:24.59 | SpeedEvil | That's what stops ebay being killed at this point. |
| 01:25.12 | cehteh | SpeedEvil: yeah i gave up on that |
| 01:25.30 | cehteh | the idea is years older but i never specified it formally |
| 01:25.49 | cehteh | quite similar to bitcoin as everything is signed and peer2peer |
| 01:25.49 | SpeedEvil | T?here are 4 refrigerators within 5 miles of me - for example. |
| 01:26.02 | SpeedEvil | Also - ebay isn't all scams. |
| 01:26.27 | cehteh | but you exchange real goods or services over it and the system finds good chains of exchanges to optimize the success |
| 01:26.42 | cehteh | no certainly not, most is ok |
| 01:26.57 | SpeedEvil | IME >99.8% is legit |
| 01:27.03 | cehteh | but even if its only 0.1% scam and 1% luky sellers its bad |
| 01:27.32 | cehteh | its not an real auctions as it has a deadline |
| 01:27.44 | SpeedEvil | Maybe I buy wierd stuff unlikely to be faked. |
| 01:28.07 | cehteh | i am not talking about the fakes .. its more the principle at which it works |
| 01:28.13 | SpeedEvil | x60s motherboard. x6 ultrabase, combi boiler heat exchanger, 150mAh battery, 12V hot water pump. |
| 01:28.27 | SpeedEvil | 908g ammonium sulphamate. |
| 01:28.35 | cehteh | imagine the buyer could propose a value he want to pay and a deadline how long he holds his offer |
| 01:29.04 | cehteh | and the seller maybe has a deadline or maybe just some day accepts what he thinks is the best offer |
| 01:29.11 | cehteh | that would be a much fairer system |
| 01:29.22 | SpeedEvil | What's unfair about the current system? |
| 01:29.24 | MohammadAG | how do I kick tracker back into business |
| 01:29.38 | SpeedEvil | plug into power MohammadAG? |
| 01:29.53 | MohammadAG | I don't have throttle afaik |
| 01:30.08 | Scifi | SpeedEvil:cehteh: Adding "export GNUPGHOME=/root/.gnupg" to the backup script did the trick. Finally :) |
| 01:30.13 | Scifi | Thank you |
| 01:30.19 | SpeedEvil | Scifi: :) |
| 01:30.54 | cehteh | SpeedEvil: either the buyer is lucky and gets it under value, or the seller is lucky and high demand and stess because of that deadline driven the price higher than it could be |
| 01:31.49 | cehteh | its a bit tricky about psychology .. finally people think they made a good deal on ebay, but in fact they dont do that such often |
| 01:32.11 | cehteh | in private auctions maybe but not for commercial stuff |
| 01:32.40 | cehteh | even private stuff you get the same second hand things cheaper on a flea market |
| 01:32.54 | cehteh | well and the big winner is ebay and the postal service :P |
| 01:32.59 | SpeedEvil | Research what you want to pay. |
| 01:33.05 | SpeedEvil | Set a sniper. |
| 01:33.09 | SpeedEvil | Leave it. |
| 01:33.13 | SpeedEvil | Win or not. |
| 01:33.22 | cehteh | yes but thats not the way it should be |
| 01:33.32 | cehteh | also ebay forbids snipers |
| 01:33.47 | SpeedEvil | The way to fail at ebay is to watch the auction and think that 'I really should go 3 pounds more' with 30 seconds to go after being outbid. |
| 01:33.50 | cehteh | so the whole system is somewhat broken .. even if one can use it successfully |
| 01:33.51 | SpeedEvil | No, it doesn'.t |
| 01:34.34 | cehteh | besides i canceled my account years ago |
| 01:34.38 | cehteh | wasnt easy |
| 01:34.48 | cehteh | at least a lot more complicated than registering |
| 01:36.58 | SpeedEvil | I can only say - sitting on a sofa from ebay, with a laptop from ebay, a keyboard from ebay, a ps2/usb converter from ebay, a carpet from ebay, ... works for me. |
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| 01:39.32 | MohammadAG | grr |
| 01:39.38 | MohammadAG | I can't get tracker to reindex |
| 01:39.41 | MohammadAG | = no songs :/ |
| 01:39.46 | SpeedEvil | nuke the db? |
| 01:39.57 | MohammadAG | already have |
| 01:40.05 | cehteh | reboot? |
| 01:40.10 | SpeedEvil | stop trackerd start trackerd? |
| 01:40.12 | cehteh | yes .. thats for pussies :) |
| 01:40.22 | MohammadAG | already tried that :p |
| 01:40.38 | cehteh | you are the first one who complains that tracker doesnt run often enough |
| 01:40.38 | GonzoTheGreat | is it ogg-support again?! |
| 01:41.09 | cehteh | well .. drop in the middle of the sahara, with only 5% battery left and the n900 your only gps device |
| 01:41.18 | cehteh | then trackerd WILL start up |
| 01:41.33 | GonzoTheGreat | throught the whole ogg-support upgrade saga tracker was quite temperamental for me. |
| 01:42.17 | cehteh | today i saved a webpage (zeromq guide) with a lot of pictures in it .. and trackerd indexed them all and showing them under photos |
| 01:42.19 | cehteh | grr |
| 01:42.25 | cehteh | and i have the new ogg things installed |
| 01:42.38 | GonzoTheGreat | I had to tracker-processes -r; delete directory and reboot a couple of times and it finally worked again |
| 01:46.25 | MohammadAG | tracker is paused apparently... |
| 01:47.43 | cehteh | please publish how you paused it :P |
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| 01:48.25 | cehteh | enabled the "dont reindex tracker on battery" but it happily ignores that |
| 01:48.54 | MohammadAG | tracker-status shows Paused |
| 01:48.55 | MohammadAG | idk why |
| 01:49.16 | cehteh | duh |
| 01:49.26 | cehteh | well .. i go to sleep n8 |
| 01:53.51 | GonzoTheGreat | a quick look at the source has these possible reasons: |
| 01:54.09 | GonzoTheGreat | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:54.09 | GonzoTheGreat | 58 gboolean is_paused_for_batt; |
| 01:54.09 | GonzoTheGreat | 59 gboolean is_paused_for_io; |
| 01:54.09 | GonzoTheGreat | 60 gboolean is_paused_for_space; |
| 01:54.09 | GonzoTheGreat | 61 gboolean is_paused_for_dbus; |
| 01:54.10 | GonzoTheGreat | 62 gboolean is_paused_for_unknown; |
| 01:54.55 | SpeedEvil | 63 gboolean is_paused_for_lulz; |
| 01:55.53 | GonzoTheGreat | what does ~/.config/tracker/tracker..cfg say? |
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| 01:56.32 | GonzoTheGreat | you can set verbosity in there, but I haven't tried it. |
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| 01:58.51 | MohammadAG51 | fecking tracker |
| 01:59.18 | DocScrutinizer | moo MohammadAG51 |
| 01:59.28 | MohammadAG51 | moo DocScrutinizer |
| 02:03.04 | DocScrutinizer | fecking apps that need tracker to work - toldya |
| 02:03.23 | DocScrutinizer | broken-by-design |
| 02:04.39 | DocScrutinizer | tracker itself is broken-by-design, as in it tries to provide things you better shouldn't even consider to try |
| 02:05.13 | SpeedEvil | ^on a resource limited device |
| 02:05.23 | DocScrutinizer | on any device |
| 02:05.40 | MohammadAG51 | gonna try to reboot again |
| 02:05.49 | GonzoTheGreat | 64 gboolean is_paused_for_tracker |
| 02:05.59 | DocScrutinizer | there's generally no use in a centralized shadow filesystem |
| 02:06.30 | DocScrutinizer | nor in a centralized unclear purpose indexing database |
| 02:07.25 | DocScrutinizer | that's constantly out of sync and heavily trying to resync to real fs |
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| 02:10.55 | DocScrutinizer | if you want additional info about your files' properties, then it's highly recommendable to implement these additional properties directly into your filesystem structure, e.g. add a .coverart file to each directory holing all songs of one record. If you want to re-sort, then there are symlinks for that |
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| 02:11.34 | SpeedEvil | Or even resource forks. :) |
| 02:11.41 | DocScrutinizer | then if you followed that paradigm, you need no fekkin trekker, you got "find" for that |
| 02:11.44 | DocScrutinizer | and grep |
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| 02:13.42 | MohammadAG51 | ffs!! |
| 02:13.51 | MohammadAG51 | I'm reflashing |
| 02:13.53 | DocScrutinizer | if you use hardlinks, you can even do way nicer stuff yet |
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| 02:15.08 | DocScrutinizer | for the rest it's always a better idea to have a local optimized database built iin to your app, rather than an idiotic daemon |
| 02:15.53 | DocScrutinizer | as your app has full control over that internal db's state |
| 02:16.11 | GonzoTheGreat | MohammadAG51: any luck looking at ~/.local/share/tracker/tracker*.log |
| 02:17.27 | DocScrutinizer | basically same odd mindset that gave us gconf "registry" |
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| 02:18.59 | DocScrutinizer | this all smells like windows fools' concepts about how to implement an OS/system |
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| 02:20.43 | DocScrutinizer | the general notion of "let's do that on user's behalf, as users always got no clue about it - and let's do it in a maximum opaque and centralized way" |
| 02:22.00 | DocScrutinizer | wich results in your irreco button icons showing up between your holiday snapshots |
| 02:22.38 | DocScrutinizer | not to mention cover art - or recorded phonecalls considered "songs" |
| 02:23.09 | DocScrutinizer | unbearable |
| 02:23.34 | DocScrutinizer | let alone the performance impact |
| 02:24.14 | GonzoTheGreat | thinks DocScrutinizer has chnaged to rant mode |
| 02:24.48 | DocScrutinizer | ooh, ask others here, I never leave that mode ;-D |
| 02:25.20 | GonzoTheGreat | I tried to be nice |
| 02:25.27 | DocScrutinizer | :-) |
| 02:25.54 | GonzoTheGreat | nitdroid... |
| 02:26.19 | GonzoTheGreat | thinks that was mean |
| 02:26.38 | DocScrutinizer | well, luckily we seem to get rid of gconf and tracker eventually, as reason wins... \o/ |
| 02:28.39 | DocScrutinizer | and the day nitdroid will fix their booting and adopt uBoot, I promise I'll not rant for a whole day |
| 02:29.11 | SpeedEvil | bq27200 - on charging from EDV1 - it assumes it's 6% charge - and then simply integrates the charge until it hits I_TAPER, at which time it resets to last-measured-discharge? |
| 02:29.38 | Macer | anybody use ecoach? |
| 02:29.50 | Macer | was wondering which heart monitors were supported |
| 02:29.59 | Macer | need to figure out how to save my data too |
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| 02:30.52 | Macer | the map running route recording stuff was pretty neat too |
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| 02:32.52 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: hm? |
| 02:33.40 | SpeedEvil | nvm - just measuring my battery capacity |
| 02:33.41 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: sounds about right |
| 02:34.41 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: seem that gizzle stuff? X-P |
| 02:34.49 | DocScrutinizer | seen* |
| 02:35.11 | SpeedEvil | gizzle? |
| 02:35.16 | DocScrutinizer | hehe |
| 02:35.31 | SpeedEvil | Ok - I guess at least another learn cycle before it's down to a plausible capacity for the battery. |
| 02:36.04 | DocScrutinizer | hehe[2011-06-05 06:18:58] <DocScrutinizer> http://www.gizmoforyou.net/site/en/gizmocommunity/photos/photo.html?groupid=12&albumid=15#photoid=329 LOL MUHAHA |
| 02:36.56 | DocScrutinizer | have some Aspirin handy when you look at that! |
| 02:39.44 | SpeedEvil | I try to help newbies on ##electronics. |
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| 02:40.42 | SpeedEvil | Hard to read as the wires are inferences. |
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| 02:48.02 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: yes, I posted that link to you at ##electronics |
| 02:48.18 | SpeedEvil | ah - missed it |
| 02:48.28 | DocScrutinizer | np |
| 02:49.47 | DocScrutinizer | anyway I have a hard time to read it at all, and am amazed there are no unwanted shorts (arn't there really?) |
| 02:50.34 | SpeedEvil | I question how it's easier than spring-connectors |
| 02:51.20 | SpeedEvil | http://www.sciencestoreforthestars.com/elenco-130-in-1-electronic-playground.aspx |
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| 02:53.08 | jeremy501 | I have a bricked n900 and want to flash it back to maemo 5 is there a good forum that can give me the step by step info ? |
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| 02:53.58 | DocScrutinizer | ~flash |
| 02:53.58 | infobot | i heard flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 02:54.50 | DocScrutinizer | and RECHARGE your battery to FULL, prior to flashing! |
| 02:54.57 | DocScrutinizer | it's no joke |
| 02:55.54 | DocScrutinizer | alas with a "bricked" N900 you'll have a hard time charging, so better rake good care that your battery doesn't drain |
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| 02:56.06 | DocScrutinizer | take* |
| 02:56.40 | DocScrutinizer | I.E. remove battery immediately if flashing failed |
| 02:56.59 | DocScrutinizer | and insert it just for next flashing |
| 02:57.23 | DocScrutinizer | as that's the foolproof method to flash anyway |
| 02:58.09 | DocScrutinizer | start flasher-3.5, plug in the N900 USB to PC, hold N900 'u' and isnert battery |
| 02:58.21 | jeremy501 | battery is fully charged and out of phone |
| 02:58.27 | DocScrutinizer | good |
| 02:58.40 | jeremy501 | tried to install meego 1.2 and failed |
| 02:58.53 | jeremy501 | so want to just go back to maemo |
| 02:58.57 | DocScrutinizer | then that wili page has all the info you need, just read it *completely* prior to flashing |
| 02:59.11 | DocScrutinizer | wiki* |
| 02:59.30 | jeremy501 | ok |
| 02:59.59 | DocScrutinizer | quite some hints are scattered all over that page, most of them in "troubleshooting" |
| 03:00.26 | DocScrutinizer | so read troubleshooting section before you even run into trouble ;-) |
| 03:00.46 | DocScrutinizer | read *whole* page |
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| 03:09.36 | jeremy501 | yeah I already have a problem. got the flasher installed in ubuntu and in terminal its waiting for the device to be plugged in to start flashing but when I plug in n900 holding u key it comes up normal with nokia in middle of screen and usb in corner but terminal just sits and waits. dose not see the phone |
| 03:10.51 | SpeedEvil | Some have dound hubs are an issue |
| 03:10.55 | SpeedEvil | Also - remove battery |
| 03:11.05 | SpeedEvil | Plug in phone. replace battery |
| 03:11.18 | SpeedEvil | Run flasher in between |
| 03:11.24 | SpeedEvil | some have found hubs |
| 03:14.54 | jeremy501 | that didnt work |
| 03:15.09 | jeremy501 | still dose not see phone |
| 03:15.21 | SpeedEvil | Is charging intermittent? |
| 03:15.41 | SpeedEvil | Do you get anything showing up on lsusb or in dmesg when you plug it in? |
| 03:23.43 | jeremy501 | if I plug into windows pc it detects it and it charges fine. if I boot phone without usb it starts a bunch of code and stops with 2.838714] [c00089fc>](kernel_init+0x10c/0x1b4) from [<c00089fc>] (kernel_init+0x10c/0x1 2.855499] mtdoops:ready 18, 19 (no erase) |
| 03:26.25 | GeneralAntilles | Ooh, that's sneaky. |
| 03:27.02 | GeneralAntilles | The TechEYE.net blog appends a "Read more: â¦" link to the end of copied text. |
| 03:27.12 | GeneralAntilles | A gem from mwkn.net this week: http://www.techeye.net/mobile/meego-will-be-dead-in-eight-months |
| 03:28.20 | SpeedEvil | jeremy501: You get text on the screen? |
| 03:28.34 | SpeedEvil | wonders what's been done to this phone |
| 03:29.12 | jeremy501 | yes on phone I do |
| 03:30.05 | GonzoTheGreat | jeremy501:Have you tried flshing it from windows? |
| 03:30.12 | GonzoTheGreat | flashing |
| 03:31.02 | jeremy501 | not from windows yet. I have a win 7 pc . maybe I should try? I like ubuntu better lol |
| 03:31.57 | GonzoTheGreat | well I don't have windows but as you said it was detected there... |
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| 03:33.17 | jeremy501 | ill try and let you know |
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| 05:08.15 | jeremy501 | no luck on windows either. flasher is waiting for device and I hold u key and plug in usb and get the nokia screen and usb in corner like it should but flasher dose not see the phone |
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| 05:08.39 | jeremy501 | it did when I tried to install meego and now it dont |
| 05:11.17 | jeremy501 | the meego install broke the phone so it cant be seen by flasher. what is the work around for this. not seeing much on web for this |
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| 05:11.47 | GonzoTheGreat | Have you tried taking the microsd card out? |
| 05:12.25 | GonzoTheGreat | not that it should matter, but who knows |
| 05:12.36 | jeremy501 | I took microsd and sim out before I started to try installing meego |
| 05:13.06 | GonzoTheGreat | is it out now? |
| 05:13.11 | jeremy501 | yes |
| 05:14.00 | GonzoTheGreat | sim as well? |
| 05:14.14 | jeremy501 | yes both are out |
| 05:15.00 | GonzoTheGreat | which method did you use to install meego? |
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| 05:15.54 | jeremy501 | my ubuntu laptop with flasher meego 1.2 for n900 |
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| 05:17.10 | jeremy501 | http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/EMMC |
| 05:17.42 | GonzoTheGreat | ouch. |
| 05:18.11 | jeremy501 | followed instructions and it stopped responding and did not finish install after hours I reset phone and now this |
| 05:19.28 | jeremy501 | think its still stuck on meego 1.2 install cause when I boot phone it loads a bunch of commands and stops |
| 05:20.11 | robbiethe1st | Does anyone know if it's possible to replace the Maemo browser backend with the one from, say, FF4? That way we'd still have the great stock UI, but a faster browser backend. |
| 05:21.11 | jeremy501 | is there a hard reset for n900? |
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| 05:21.35 | robbiethe1st | jeremy501: Um, hard reset? Either you mean yanking the battery or reflashing |
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| 05:23.44 | jeremy501 | robbiethe1st, reflashing cant see the phone on windows or ubuntu pc after trying to install meego to emmc. |
| 05:24.12 | jeremy501 | can ubuntu format n900 ? |
| 05:24.16 | robbiethe1st | Yes. |
| 05:24.31 | robbiethe1st | And, in fact, remember that the n900 is unbrickable: You /can/ reflash it |
| 05:24.34 | robbiethe1st | no matter what you do |
| 05:24.41 | robbiethe1st | Try this: |
| 05:24.46 | robbiethe1st | 1. turn the N900 off. |
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| 05:25.04 | robbiethe1st | 2. on ubuntu, run flasher(as root of course) |
| 05:25.07 | DocScrutinizer | jeremy501: reboot ubuntu, start flasher, plug in N900 w/o battery, hold 'u', ins bat - if USB icon shows up upper right and flasher doesn't start, you go check syslog/dmesg for any new kernel modules ubuntu loaded, then ^C and restart flasher |
| 05:25.28 | robbiethe1st | Basically |
| 05:25.47 | robbiethe1st | I wouldn't bother holding U, but yea, that works |
| 05:26.13 | jeremy501 | robbiethe1st, tried all that with no luck |
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| 05:26.42 | robbiethe1st | what does flasher say when you run it? |
| 05:26.45 | jeremy501 | DocScrutinizer, did not try rebooting ubuntu yet and flasher. think that could be it? |
| 05:27.03 | jeremy501 | flasher waits for the device and never sees it |
| 05:27.27 | robbiethe1st | Hm... and you ran it as root, right? |
| 05:27.27 | DocScrutinizer | it's a well known common problem that several distros load modules when N900 gets plugged in, and those block flasher |
| 05:27.54 | DocScrutinizer | lsmod|grep cdc_ |
| 05:27.56 | robbiethe1st | that's what... cdc_phonet and phonet? |
| 05:28.05 | DocScrutinizer | yup |
| 05:28.31 | DocScrutinizer | also there's some reports about new distros have a fsckdup ehci |
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| 05:28.57 | jeremy501 | ran as sudo |
| 05:28.59 | DocScrutinizer | and of course 64bit is special |
| 05:29.36 | jeremy501 | ill reboot and brb |
| 05:29.41 | DocScrutinizer | robbiethe1st: when not run as root, flasher throws error, not wait infinitely |
| 05:29.53 | robbiethe1st | Oh, good |
| 05:30.11 | jeremy501 | yes this waits infinitely |
| 05:30.21 | jeremy501 | brb |
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| 05:46.43 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, funny. started flasher-3.5 -i and plugged in N900 --> |
| 05:46.48 | DocScrutinizer | Suitable USB device not found, waiting. |
| 05:46.50 | DocScrutinizer | Unable to enumerate USB buses! |
| 05:47.20 | DocScrutinizer | cursur-up, enter --> |
| 05:47.36 | DocScrutinizer | USB device found found at bus 001, device address 096. |
| 05:47.38 | DocScrutinizer | Found device RX-51, hardware revision 2101 |
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| 05:50.42 | DocScrutinizer | reproducable |
| 05:50.44 | jeremy501 | ha lol reboot ubuntu and now flasher sees phone! thanks DocScrutinizer |
| 05:50.51 | DocScrutinizer | yw |
| 05:51.44 | GonzoTheGreat | How did that affect your use of windows though??? |
| 05:53.03 | jeremy501 | who me ? |
| 05:53.22 | jeremy501 | ubuntu smokes windows every time! |
| 05:54.14 | GonzoTheGreat | Well it should have been different under windows? |
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| 06:15.26 | Venemo_N900 | good morning |
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| 06:26.28 | DocScrutinizer | morning Venemo_N900 |
| 06:27.07 | jeremy501 | install was successful but now it has a line drawn threw the sim where the signal should be. is there another flash I need or software? |
| 06:27.54 | DocScrutinizer | insering SIM should suffice ;-D |
| 06:28.29 | Venemo_N900 | hey DocScrutinizer, what's up? |
| 06:28.46 | DocScrutinizer | nuttin special right now |
| 06:29.38 | jeremy501 | where the signal bar should be it has line drawn through a pic of a sim card and it is installed correctly. i pulled it out and back in to see |
| 06:30.07 | DocScrutinizer | that's highly unusual |
| 06:30.20 | DocScrutinizer | please double check |
| 06:30.49 | Venemo_N900 | jeremy501, that indicates that either your SIM card is not in, or it's not working |
| 06:31.19 | DocScrutinizer | or you gave wrong PIN, or entered offline mode |
| 06:32.34 | DocScrutinizer | it *could* also signal problems with the GSM modem, but that's highly unlikely |
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| 06:35.18 | DocScrutinizer | also, just in case: you are sure you didn't mix SIM and uSD (yes, I know...), and you properly locked the SIM holder |
| 06:35.37 | jeremy501 | maybe I install wrong flash ? sudo flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_1.2009.42-11.002_PR_COMBINED_002_ARM.bin -f -R this is for n900 |
| 06:35.53 | DocScrutinizer | quite old |
| 06:36.08 | jeremy501 | every time I reboot phone it looses time and date too now |
| 06:36.21 | DocScrutinizer | that's a known hw bug |
| 06:36.33 | DocScrutinizer | please read |
| 06:36.36 | DocScrutinizer | ~flash |
| 06:36.36 | infobot | from memory, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 06:36.47 | DocScrutinizer | about recent PR1.3 version |
| 06:37.27 | DocScrutinizer | aaah, and _002_ us errr, USA? |
| 06:37.51 | DocScrutinizer | generally everybody suggests to use global |
| 06:38.07 | jeremy501 | global ...ok |
| 06:38.16 | DocScrutinizer | as nobody found special "goodies" yet in any localized FIASCO |
| 06:39.06 | jeremy501 | I also have this one downloaded .. RX-51_2009SE_1.2009.41-1.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin |
| 06:39.19 | DocScrutinizer | and PR1.2 US FIASCO (the obsolete one you referred to above) is also known to actually have occasional problems with modem |
| 06:39.55 | DocScrutinizer | also an old one |
| 06:40.01 | DocScrutinizer | please read |
| 06:40.05 | DocScrutinizer | ~flash |
| 06:40.06 | infobot | somebody said flashing was http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 06:41.24 | DocScrutinizer | it clearly states RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin to be most recent |
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| 06:42.33 | DocScrutinizer | oops, not for the VANILLA of your last post, didn't see that |
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| 06:42.50 | jeremy501 | DocScrutinizer, the one you just listed is most recent? |
| 06:43.00 | DocScrutinizer | please read |
| 06:43.03 | DocScrutinizer | ~flash |
| 06:43.03 | infobot | hmm... flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
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| 06:44.10 | DocScrutinizer | it has *ALL* the info |
| 06:44.38 | yigal | tablet, at least physical tablets are now being created that are more of I imagined as a child |
| 06:44.52 | yigal | more of what I imagined as a child |
| 06:44.58 | yigal | sorry a bit drunk as usual |
| 06:45.00 | DocScrutinizer | >>Replace RX-51_2009SE_2.2009.51-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin with the firmware you wish to update. (Make sure you have downloaded the actual corresponding file.) The latest PR1.3 official (rootfs) images are listed below: |
| 06:45.57 | DocScrutinizer | it's not even any smaller font than the rest of that page |
| 06:46.15 | DocScrutinizer | hell, it's BOLD |
| 06:46.59 | yigal | lol |
| 06:48.19 | jeremy501 | ill try the global one if it is suggested |
| 06:48.35 | DocScrutinizer | ok, it's under "windows", but I'm sure I at least 2 times gave the advice to read the *whole* page *carefully*, |
| 06:49.03 | yigal | argh |
| 06:50.14 | wblaze | also dont do anything to firmware whilst drunk, heh |
| 06:50.35 | Venemo_N900 | wblaze, :D |
| 06:51.22 | wblaze | learns things the hard way so others don't have to |
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| 06:51.46 | Venemo_N900 | :) |
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| 06:53.42 | yigal | man had enough of Netflix back in a Linux/OSS distro. if feels better |
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| 07:09.20 | crashanddie | DocScrutinizer, chill :) |
| 07:17.03 | Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG51, I found a bug in sociality |
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| 07:28.11 | crashanddie | Venemo_N900, it's not a bug, it's a feature |
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| 07:29.10 | Venemo_N900 | crashanddie, I see |
| 07:29.28 | crashanddie | Venemo_N900, just to be sure, what are you talking about? |
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| 07:31.51 | Venemo_N900 | crashanddie, old messages are labeled with "xx minutes ago, via some app" |
| 07:32.08 | crashanddie | screenshot? |
| 07:32.09 | Venemo_N900 | literally, xx minutes ago |
| 07:32.24 | Venemo_N900 | don't ask me to upload a screenshot via EDGE |
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| 07:32.35 | crashanddie | oh |
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| 07:37.54 | crashanddie | Venemo_N900, what window is it in? |
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| 07:38.00 | crashanddie | Venemo_N900, in the main view? |
| 07:39.56 | Venemo_N900 | crashanddie, I clicked messages in the main window |
| 07:40.17 | crashanddie | ok, I found it |
| 07:40.30 | crashanddie | it's hardcoded in newsfeedpost.ui |
| 07:41.29 | Venemo_N900 | hehh |
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| 07:47.27 | crashanddie | MohammadAG51, either he's running an old version, or there is a bug in NewsFeedPost::setTime() [that was added to the master branch on 4th May) |
| 07:48.46 | crashanddie | Venemo_N900 & MohammadAG51: I'd submit a patch, but I cba to create a facebook account to test. |
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| 08:16.20 | hiemanshu | hmmm, I could write a twitter client in PyQt |
| 08:16.25 | hiemanshu | wondering I should do it |
| 08:16.33 | DocScrutinizer | hehe, I sympathise |
| 08:16.49 | DocScrutinizer | with crashanddie |
| 08:16.49 | hiemanshu | I dont know much C++ :( |
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| 08:20.40 | Jaffa | Arse. abill_uk's started on the latest MWKN thread on TMO |
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| 08:23.08 | crashanddie | DocScrutinizer, why? |
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| 08:25.54 | alterego | Jaffa: \o/ |
| 08:26.10 | alterego | You didn't mention "MeeGo" did you? |
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| 08:29.03 | Jaffa | alterego: Apparently it's a "thread" which is "negative about MeeGo" |
| 08:29.13 | alterego | Yeah, just read it. |
| 08:29.42 | alterego | He's changed his tune though, now he seems to be protecting Carstens delicate sensibilities :) |
| 08:29.58 | Jaffa | Indeed. I'm not sure Stskeeps wants - or needs - to be protected from me. |
| 08:30.03 | Jaffa | I'm his Number One Fan ;-) |
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| 08:30.19 | alterego | Only a week ago he was saying how MeeGo was a pointless endeavour and the DE project have acheived in a few months what would take him an hour or so. |
| 08:30.20 | Jaffa | As the presents I've been sending to his house will show. |
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| 08:30.30 | alterego | Hahah |
| 08:30.37 | Jaffa | Ah, nice. Glad I don't read TMO too much |
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| 08:32.53 | RST38h | still thinks TMO has to have an "ignore" feature |
| 08:33.08 | Jaffa | RST38h: It does for users. Not for threads, unfortunately :-( |
| 08:33.23 | RST38h | Jaffa: How do I ignore abill_uk dude? |
| 08:34.47 | Jaffa | RST38h: Click on his name, then "View Public Profile", then "User Lists", then "Add to Ignore List" |
| 08:35.05 | RST38h | Jaffa: thanks! |
| 08:35.08 | Jaffa | RST38h: Short version - if you're logged in - this should do it (barring CSRF protection) http://talk.maemo.org/profile.php?do=addlist&userlist=ignore&u=33715 |
| 08:36.26 | DocScrutinizer51 | crashanddie: FB? |
| 08:36.55 | RST38h | Done. |
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| 08:56.53 | crashanddie | Jaffa, I pray for abill's customers if he ever got as far in life as to own his business |
| 08:58.18 | ruskie | haha |
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| 09:00.21 | RST38h | crashanddie: prolly not though |
| 09:00.24 | RST38h | moo, ab |
| 09:05.05 | RST38h | "Java is high performance. By high performance we mean adequate. By adequate we mean slow." |
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| 09:05.41 | ab | beh, RST38h |
| 09:06.08 | arvut | Hi all, would c++ be a preferable language if I want to develop apps for maemo5? |
| 09:06.37 | ruskie | if using Qt then I'd say yes |
| 09:06.55 | crashanddie | arvut, there's quite a few languages to choose from, and it really depends on what you're trying to achieve |
| 09:07.00 | Necc | develop a dropbox client ._. |
| 09:07.06 | arvut | alright, will keep on studying it then |
| 09:07.12 | Necc | btw your choices are wide |
| 09:07.23 | arvut | crashanddie: what about programming for gps? |
| 09:07.31 | Necc | https://www.dropbox.com/developers |
| 09:07.49 | crashanddie | Necc, what the fuck are you talking about? |
| 09:08.05 | crashanddie | arvut, if you want fast response times and snappy UI, then C++ might be a good option, if you want to develop with ease and not have to deal with stupidly complex things in C++, then go for Python |
| 09:08.32 | crashanddie | arvut, in any case, the GPS interfaces are easy to access in any language, don't know if there are native libraries in every language (it's just a file to open and read from, basically) |
| 09:08.35 | arvut | I wanna make a reminder that tells you what to do when you're in a certain area |
| 09:08.48 | crashanddie | "You just entered Detroit: RUN" |
| 09:08.58 | ruskie | isn't there something like that already? |
| 09:09.00 | arvut | crashanddie: aha |
| 09:09.05 | Necc | i'm part of many many channels in many many many IRC server |
| 09:09.09 | arvut | ruskie: no idea |
| 09:09.37 | crashanddie | "You just landed in Glasgow, would you like to turn back the clock 20 years?" (joke credit: frankie boyle) |
| 09:09.45 | Necc | but this is the only and the real ony ONE channel, where i get the most biggest (mostly write-only motivated) DICK answers |
| 09:10.08 | crashanddie | Necc, don't tell an op he's a dick. |
| 09:10.18 | crashanddie | especially when he's a bastard op to start with. |
| 09:10.24 | ruskie | hehe |
| 09:10.27 | arvut | this is the only channel I know of that makes sense :) |
| 09:11.16 | crashanddie | arvut, also, be aware that you will receive as many opinions on development preferences as there are people in this channel |
| 09:11.25 | arvut | does java run on the n900 btw? |
| 09:11.39 | RST38h | yes, badly |
| 09:11.44 | arvut | crashanddie: always welcome =) |
| 09:11.45 | crashanddie | arvut, do you really want to use a JIT language on such a slow CPU? |
| 09:11.52 | arvut | nope |
| 09:12.03 | Necc | i totally don't care who is who the hell in this world, you can be the president of the US, i even tell it if YOU start fouling about |
| 09:12.08 | arvut | I really prefer speed |
| 09:12.26 | arvut | but C# is actually kinda nice... |
| 09:12.35 | crashanddie | I can understand Python even though it is relatively slow because of the ease of development, even though I used to be a Java dev before, I have a hard time justifying it on the N900. |
| 09:12.47 | crashanddie | Necc, whatever. |
| 09:13.12 | ruskie | arvut, I thought mono was available as well somewhere in the repos |
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| 09:13.53 | arvut | I'm in my newbie stage of coding, peeking on different languages and trying to decide what to focus on |
| 09:14.14 | arvut | ruskie: heard mono is a nightmare tho |
| 09:14.14 | crashanddie | arvut, well, I'd recommend C++. |
| 09:14.26 | crashanddie | arvut, I'd recommend against Mono |
| 09:14.31 | arvut | crashanddie: good, I like C++ |
| 09:14.54 | crashanddie | Most people will already have all the C++ dependencies installed on their N900, not many will have the Mono deps (and make your app a lot bigger to carry, as well) |
| 09:14.55 | Necc | C/C++ is not the most best language for starters, imo |
| 09:14.59 | arvut | so mono is.. worth installing? |
| 09:15.35 | arvut | yeah, thats the problem with JIT isnt it? those big frameworks |
| 09:15.46 | RST38h | sighs |
| 09:16.18 | arvut | Necc: I started with C, moved on to C++, now looking at C# and liking it.. |
| 09:16.19 | RST38h | arvut: If you do not have much experience in esotheric software disciplines, you wo't even be able to install Java or Mono properly on your N900. |
| 09:16.23 | robbiethe1st | I'd use Python+PyQT for lightweight apps; stuff that's mostly GUI with a little glue logic. Stuff that needs speed(i.e. games, video/image processing and the like), C++. Period. |
| 09:16.35 | crashanddie | arvut, I'd say: make your first draft in Python (Python is an excellent prototyping language), release it, and get reviews/comments about it. If people complain about sluggishness, analyse what can be optimised, and make v2 C++ if you have the need for it. |
| 09:16.37 | lardman | morning |
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| 09:16.45 | RST38h | arvut: So, stay with Python and move to C/C++ once you know enough |
| 09:16.49 | RST38h | HELO lardman |
| 09:16.54 | crashanddie | lardman, moaning |
| 09:16.57 | robbiethe1st | RST38h: I disagree about Java. Just install othe OpenJDK package and you're done. |
| 09:17.00 | lardman | hey RST38h crashanddie |
| 09:17.04 | robbiethe1st | (or was it icedtea?) |
| 09:17.09 | arvut | RST38h: not sure what esotheric software disciplines would be so I guess I'll avoid it 4 now |
| 09:17.11 | RST38h | robbie: ahhaha :) |
| 09:17.19 | arvut | lardman: morning |
| 09:17.33 | robbiethe1st | Hey, it works well enough to run Runescape, so I'd say it's the full Java package. |
| 09:17.34 | lardman | hi arvut |
| 09:18.17 | crashanddie | arvut, he means "if you're not an expert in a specific field of software development, don't use Java/Mono" |
| 09:18.32 | arvut | crashanddie: oh =) |
| 09:18.41 | robbiethe1st | And I agree with that, despite my previous comment |
| 09:18.49 | RST38h | crash: even installing these is difficult - lots of packages, high probability of having to configure them manually |
| 09:18.53 | arvut | good to know |
| 09:18.56 | crashanddie | aye |
| 09:19.09 | RST38h | crash: So, no reason to use this stuff. |
| 09:19.26 | crashanddie | RST38h, I wholeheartedly agree :) |
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| 09:20.06 | Necc | OMG runescape x.x |
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| 09:20.21 | robbiethe1st | Necc: Yea, I still play it. What of it? |
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| 09:20.57 | arvut | so, what should I use for developing apps then? an IDE? a few shells with compilers and editors? how do I complile for this little cpu? |
| 09:21.33 | arvut | I don't think I wanna compile on the phone |
| 09:21.34 | robbiethe1st | If you're using Python, no need to compile: Just transfer the files and run |
| 09:21.44 | arvut | C++ |
| 09:21.45 | robbiethe1st | for compiling C++, Scratchbox |
| 09:21.55 | Necc | one of my friend plays that... i never seen so boring and monoton game ever since. i just wonder how that company still can keep their old customers when you do exactly the same things over and over for weeks |
| 09:22.02 | arvut | I'm used to code::blocks |
| 09:23.08 | arvut | Necc: did that too 10 years ago ;) addictive until some rude idiot decided to rob me |
| 09:23.48 | arvut | so, scratchbox? what is it? an IDE? |
| 09:25.37 | crashanddie | Hmm, it would take 115 thousand trillion trillion years for my password to be bruteforced. |
| 09:26.28 | Necc | not if the person uses a GPGPU system :p |
| 09:26.37 | crashanddie | actually, even if they do |
| 09:26.38 | arvut | crashanddie: even with NSA's thinking machine? |
| 09:26.53 | crashanddie | well, assuming they have to validate it over a network connection |
| 09:27.36 | crashanddie | ok, fair deal, by using GPU's and offline cracking, it's just under a thousand trillion years. |
| 09:27.45 | Necc | nah, it's just a matter of time... typically 10 years and the most most most strongest encryptions are hacked |
| 09:28.16 | crashanddie | that assumes the password never changes, and that the encryption is never updated. |
| 09:28.25 | Necc | in the past, people said "it is unhackable" so many times, that i don1t belive it anymore |
| 09:28.40 | arvut | lol I just found the moobox app :) |
| 09:28.55 | ruskie | Necc, you misunderstood... it's not just encryption... it's updating it constantly and changing the password |
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| 09:30.02 | arvut | what is a "sid player" btw? |
| 09:30.12 | ruskie | sid - type of music format |
| 09:30.21 | Necc | well, gl. but still, i do not belive anything is unbreakable within ~10 years |
| 09:30.26 | crashanddie | If every year you add one character to your password (not necessarily at the end, anywhere in said password), it becomes manageable enough for you to memorise, and you can use addendums for each different service |
| 09:30.42 | ruskie | C64 music format |
| 09:31.17 | crashanddie | Necc, well, how about this, most security tokens (like the RSA SecurID etc) use encryptions which can be broken in a matter of hours (3DES), yet it doesn't matter :) |
| 09:32.06 | crashanddie | because a typical token will replace its seed every minute or two, making the previous password useless. |
| 09:32.20 | edheldil | crashanddie: you of COURSE know this, rrrriiiight? http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/security.png |
| 09:32.26 | crashanddie | edheldil, aye |
| 09:32.42 | ruskie | hehe |
| 09:33.04 | crashanddie | edheldil, I know it especially well considering that two people using a system I deployed were murdered in London using exactly that spirit. |
| 09:33.10 | robbiethe1st | Of course, all I really need to do is get a backdoor'd program onto your system, gain root access... |
| 09:33.27 | crashanddie | robbiethe1st, and then... what exactly? |
| 09:33.58 | edheldil | crashanddie: eek :( |
| 09:34.00 | robbiethe1st | access to whatever it is you care about :P |
| 09:34.06 | crashanddie | robbiethe1st, yes, and? |
| 09:34.14 | crashanddie | robbiethe1st, let's go for the online banking theory |
| 09:34.34 | crashanddie | you need an OTP to access the account, and an CR for transactions. |
| 09:34.50 | crashanddie | and the CR uses a component of the transaction the *user can verify* |
| 09:35.07 | ruskie | hmm does mappero support offline maps??? |
| 09:35.12 | crashanddie | not some blind number that doesn't match anything, it's part target account ID, part amount. |
| 09:35.29 | Necc | ruskie, someone said a few days ago yes |
| 09:36.18 | ruskie | no wonder people went and hacked RSA to get their seeds for the stuff |
| 09:36.19 | edheldil | crashanddie: that's what at least some banks here use. Even better with SIM Toolkit, that's why I miss it on n900 :( |
| 09:36.34 | crashanddie | SIM? |
| 09:36.50 | crashanddie | I wouldn't trust my neighbour's kids to SIM protection. |
| 09:37.24 | crashanddie | ruskie, RSA doesn't hold the seeds |
| 09:37.37 | edheldil | if you say so - I haven't seen it hacked (that does not say so much) and it's better than plain SMS |
| 09:38.02 | crashanddie | ruskie, and even if they did, the seed is updated based on the amount of times the token has been used, and at what time |
| 09:38.31 | crashanddie | ruskie, meaning that even with the original seed, you couldn't accurately predict what the clock counter and event counter had at $X point in time. |
| 09:38.51 | arvut | isnt tor available for maemo? |
| 09:38.55 | crashanddie | Disclaimer: I used to work for one of RSA's competitors in this field. |
| 09:39.10 | arvut | I think I installed it once |
| 09:39.13 | Necc | arvut, there's a client for it with some GUI |
| 09:39.28 | arvut | Necc: thought so |
| 09:39.33 | Necc | but it's functionality is restricted |
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| 09:40.20 | Necc | aaah i mean not complete and not restricted |
| 09:44.25 | arvut | aha |
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| 09:45.12 | arvut | anything you could recommend instead then? |
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| 09:48.12 | Necc | ... tor 2.0? :D |
| 09:48.27 | Necc | or some VPN |
| 09:48.36 | crashanddie | "We are open every day of the week, except for Sundays, Mondays and Thursdays" |
| 09:49.00 | crashanddie | I'm guessing we don't have the same definition of "every day of the week". |
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| 09:49.22 | ruskie | well it's easier to specify the lesser group ;) |
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| 10:09.52 | chem|st | ruskie: "We are open from Tuesday till Saturday, except Thursdays" is shorter... |
| 10:11.44 | chem|st | it is like spelling out www in "double U, double U, double U" instead of "world wide web" |
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| 10:15.32 | jacekowski | as far as i know it's not "double U" |
| 10:16.00 | jacekowski | it would be double ues |
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| 10:19.37 | khertan | Morning |
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| 10:30.01 | chem|st | jacekowski: on presentations they used the phrase with the tripplet while talking about the world wide web not about the subdomain |
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| 11:09.57 | crashanddie | the few domains I own all have uuuuuu.<domain>.<tld> |
| 11:10.10 | crashanddie | and also vvvvvv.<domain>.<tld> |
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| 11:11.00 | jacekowski | ? |
| 11:11.17 | crashanddie | "double u, double u, double u, dot" |
| 11:11.28 | crashanddie | and in french: "double v, double v, double v, point" |
| 11:11.54 | ruskie | hehe |
| 11:12.02 | merlin1991 | crashanddie: I want some of that stuff too ;) |
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| 11:14.02 | Venemo | good morning |
| 11:14.37 | edheldil | ruskie: it's market speak. To say We are open Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Fridays and Saturdays is about the same length and rather more intuitive |
| 11:15.18 | crashanddie | Venemo, from earlier when you were gone: "MohammadAG51, either he's running an old version, or there is a bug in NewsFeedPost::setTime() [that was added to the master branch on 4th May)" and "Venemo_N900 & MohammadAG51: I'd submit a patch, but I cba to create a facebook account to test." |
| 11:16.00 | Venemo | crashanddie, thanks :) |
| 11:16.17 | Venemo | crashanddie, I'm running the one from extras-devel, but dunno how old it is |
| 11:16.31 | MohammadAG51 | feels lost |
| 11:16.40 | Venemo | hey MohammadAG51 :) |
| 11:16.41 | crashanddie | couldn't tell you, haven't seen my N900 in months |
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| 11:16.49 | Venemo | crashanddie, np :) |
| 11:16.55 | MohammadAG51 | hey Venemo |
| 11:17.03 | MohammadAG51 | what's this about? |
| 11:17.11 | crashanddie | [09:17:02] <Venemo_N900> MohammadAG51, I found a bug in sociality [09:31:50] <Venemo_N900> crashanddie, old messages are labeled with "xx minutes ago, via some app" |
| 11:17.15 | MohammadAG51 | crashanddie, stfu you have a kind neighbour |
| 11:17.29 | MohammadAG51 | messages? |
| 11:17.35 | crashanddie | posts |
| 11:18.07 | MohammadAG51 | sure? cause I use the same widget for news feed/messages/comments |
| 11:18.36 | MohammadAG51 | that's the "standard" message when no time is set |
| 11:18.51 | Venemo | no time is set? |
| 11:18.52 | Venemo | weird |
| 11:18.56 | Venemo | MohammadAG51, I also wrote you a PM |
| 11:18.59 | MohammadAG51 | Venemo, can you try http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/sociality |
| 11:19.11 | MohammadAG51 | oh sorry, I'm on the N900 |
| 11:19.17 | Venemo | no problem |
| 11:20.07 | MohammadAG51 | anyway, try the binary, replace the one in /opt/usr/bin with that |
| 11:20.50 | Venemo | ok, I'll try |
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| 11:29.59 | MohammadAG51 | still got that tracker issue :/ |
| 11:30.36 | MohammadAG51 | "Tracker status is 'Paused'" |
| 11:33.09 | MohammadAG51 | wtf 06 Jun 2011, 05:12:46: Tracker-Critical **: Could not open directory 'file:///home/user/MyDocs/.camera': No such file or directory |
| 11:34.02 | lardman | curses apt-worker |
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| 11:44.00 | MohammadAG51 | 06 Jun 2011, 14:43:19: Tracker-Warning **: Could not perform SQLite operation, error:1->'no such table: Volumes' |
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| 11:53.35 | psycho_oreos | I think the tracker.cfg allows one to specify where trackerd should scan |
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| 11:54.46 | psycho_oreos | and that warning on tracker sounds like some issue with the database or the sqlite software *shrugs* |
| 11:57.30 | mece | hello |
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| 12:19.16 | khertan | is there a way to cut only the phone connectivity and keeping the wifi on ? it s emitting beep in my logitech speaker |
| 12:22.18 | SpeedEvil | yes |
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| 12:23.30 | SpeedEvil | http://maemo.org/packages/view/cell-modem-ui/ |
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| 12:26.28 | xkr47 | is it the same as starting the phone up and pressing Skip at the pin code entry ? |
| 12:26.40 | SpeedEvil | no |
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| 12:38.26 | chem|st | khertan: doesn't tablet mode do that? |
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| 12:39.10 | khertan | chem|st: it s cut wifi too |
| 12:39.19 | chem|st | khertan: tablet mode doesn't |
| 12:39.44 | khertan | hum ... so i didn't understand what is this tablet mode |
| 12:40.00 | chem|st | khertan: offline mode cuts all connections aka Flight mode |
| 12:40.33 | chem|st | tablet mode keeps BT and WIFI on but turns off cell |
| 12:41.15 | khertan | where is it located in menu ? |
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| 12:44.01 | khertan | SpeedEvil: oh didn't see your link |
| 12:44.02 | khertan | thx |
| 12:46.21 | chem|st | khertan: powerbutton menu |
| 12:47.54 | chem|st | khertan: sry... thought that is preinstalled as I got that from day one |
| 12:48.03 | khertan | :) |
| 12:48.20 | khertan | any dbus string to do the same thing ? |
| 12:48.27 | khertan | i want to automate that too the night |
| 12:48.30 | chem|st | you get buttons to switch dual/2g/3g |
| 12:48.34 | chem|st | too |
| 12:49.01 | chem|st | khertan: wiki phone control me thinks |
| 12:50.13 | khertan | oh didn't see it last time |
| 12:50.16 | khertan | i ll look thx |
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| 13:22.52 | x29a | hi there, is the maemo 5 sdk the latest and most encouraged to write programs for the n900? anything else i should look at? meego good to go? i dont want to have to tinker a lot with the OS, since my focus is on the application |
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| 13:32.50 | pcfe | if the built-in media player tells me 'no music' but MediaBox OTOH finds my music just fine, what could be wrong? |
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| 13:33.06 | jacekowski | tracker |
| 13:34.16 | kerio | tracker is always deeply wrong |
| 13:34.37 | kerio | that's like the default |
| 13:35.31 | pcfe | would you happen to have a friendly manual to tracker so I can read up on how to make it simply drop the whole DB and start over? |
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| 13:36.32 | jacekowski | tracker is unfriendly |
| 13:37.04 | merlin1991 | pcfe: there was a command, lemme see if I find it |
| 13:37.16 | pcfe | merlin1991: oh that would be much appreciated |
| 13:40.42 | merlin1991 | pcfe: it's `tracker-processes -r` and one more option wich I can't find atm |
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| 13:42.11 | pcfe | merlin1991: thanks, that already gets me further than tracker-control, which seems absent on maemo5 |
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| 14:06.13 | NIN101 | one question |
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| 14:06.48 | NIN101 | is there a reason why the maemo software is using the lovely tracker? Why not just an dirlist on .camera, .sounds etc.? |
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| 14:10.42 | edheldil | NIN101: probably because than you (or sb.) would bitch about the same issue :) |
| 14:10.53 | edheldil | then |
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| 14:19.42 | pcfe | NIN101: with some 30GB of music on my N900 and this being the first bad tracker messup on my phone in 1.5 years, I think I'm overall happier with a moderately quick lookup in a database when I look for a song as opposed to walking a bunch of directories each time |
| 14:20.25 | NIN101 | hmm, you are right. |
| 14:20.29 | MohammadAG | fixed tracker, finally |
| 14:21.08 | MohammadAG | setting verbosity to 1 helps a lot, apparently tracker stays paused when storage space is low |
| 14:21.59 | ShadowJK | hm, storage space on /home? |
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| 14:24.43 | MohammadAG | ShadowJK, that and / |
| 14:25.02 | MohammadAG | I had 6MBs on / and 28 on /home |
| 14:25.14 | RST38h | Heya Mohammad, ShadowJK |
| 14:25.25 | MohammadAG | hey RST38h |
| 14:25.28 | merlin1991 | how did you set tracker verbosity? |
| 14:25.28 | RST38h | Mohammad: tracker has got a setting for that - "run only if XMB is available" |
| 14:25.35 | RST38h | xMB |
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| 14:25.56 | MohammadAG | merlin1991, tracker.cfg |
| 14:26.00 | MohammadAG | it logs more stuff |
| 14:26.08 | MohammadAG | RST38h, yeah, seen that |
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| 14:34.54 | pcfe | merlin1991: `tracker-processes -r` and then waiting for indexing to complete did solve the issue. Thanks again! |
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| 14:47.15 | edheldil | btw, after connecting to (gsm) internet, my n900 is up to several minutes totally unresponsive. Is it normal? I guess it's caused by pacman or whatever is the auto-updates thing called? |
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| 14:48.24 | lardman | apt-worker |
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| 14:48.40 | merlin1991 | apt-worker is evil :D |
| 14:48.58 | lardman | it needs some serious renicing |
| 14:49.02 | lardman | niceing? |
| 14:49.06 | lardman | God knows |
| 14:52.05 | edheldil | lardman: is there a nice way around it? Like making it work only on wifi? |
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| 14:52.25 | lardman | not that I know of, but it's certainly something that should be addressed |
| 14:52.40 | lardman | probably a good cssu target |
| 14:54.11 | edheldil | among others, it's cause of often exhausting daily data limit immediately after connecting to the internet, often before I am able to work with the phone at all :) |
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| 14:58.04 | rm_work | O_o |
| 14:58.19 | rm_work | i guess i don't notice because my phone is connected to data 24/7 |
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| 15:00.14 | edheldil | rm_work: I try to save the battery |
| 15:00.40 | rm_work | yeah, battery lasts me exactly 12 hours |
| 15:00.52 | rm_work | err, nah 18 |
| 15:00.58 | rm_work | which is just enough |
| 15:01.34 | wam | ? Mine works with medium usage with always-on 3.5g, bluetooth and 1-2h per day fm-radio sender for at least 48 hours. |
| 15:01.52 | Sazpaimon | so like |
| 15:02.15 | SpeedEvil | wam: you're not doing regular data transfer over the 3g though |
| 15:02.15 | Sazpaimon | my microb google search icon just changed |
| 15:02.15 | crashanddie | MohammadAG51, you've been doing some good stuff with the facebook app |
| 15:02.16 | Sazpaimon | out of the blue |
| 15:02.16 | crashanddie | MohammadAG51, it looks good! |
| 15:02.16 | wam | ...and wlan |
| 15:02.29 | wam | SpeedEvil: I update my exchange-account and my imap account every few minutes. |
| 15:02.36 | Sazpaimon | to a pink circle with a G in the middle |
| 15:02.56 | Sazpaimon | wtf |
| 15:03.34 | MohammadAG51 | crashanddie, :D |
| 15:04.02 | edheldil | speaking of exchange, is there a good n900 solution for remote calendars? |
| 15:04.14 | wam | edheldil: sure, the default one ;) |
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| 15:07.46 | MohammadAG51 | crashanddie, one thing I've "ignored" though is commits |
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| 15:10.40 | edheldil | wam: where can I setup it? When I add a new calendar in settings, it's a "local" calendar. And when I tried to google, I found only pages about GPE |
| 15:11.44 | wam | edheldil: sry, my interface is in german. I'll try to translate that stuff: Go to "settings" -> "Mail for exchange" and set it up ;) |
| 15:13.18 | edheldil | ah |
| 15:13.22 | edheldil | thank you |
| 15:13.40 | edheldil | hopefully it works with non-exchange cals too |
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| 15:16.42 | wam | edheldil: I'd bet that exchange accounts only work with exchange accounts (and zimbra ;)) |
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| 15:19.42 | edheldil | wam: does not work with just *.ics file over https :( |
| 15:20.19 | wam | might be because a ics-file via http is slightly less than activesync ;) |
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| 15:20.55 | nanomad | hi all |
| 15:21.20 | nanomad | i'm trying to compile the declarative cameraqmlexample but i've got errors |
| 15:21.27 | nanomad | i'm using the latest qt sdk. |
| 15:21.38 | nanomad | can anyone help me? |
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| 15:22.13 | lardman | nanomad: pastebin the errors and wait a bit, 1min is a quick response on irc ;) |
| 15:22.15 | edheldil | sure, but that's what I need, mere remote calendar. Works with Thunderbird/Lightning etc :( |
| 15:23.43 | edheldil | but given that the n900 calendar works with exchange ones, maybe there's a location to rsync the remote ics file to? |
| 15:24.05 | nanomad | qrc:/qml/declarative-camera.qml:42:1: module "QtMultimediaKit" is not installed |
| 15:25.50 | lardman | nanomad: Is that module installed? |
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| 15:28.12 | nanomad | on the device I have libQtMultimediaKit.so |
| 15:28.34 | SpeedEvil | For the 23rd consecutive edition, masturbating to a litter of newborn puppies is classified as "wrong, wrong, wrong." |
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| 15:28.41 | lardman | you will also presumably need the development package installed when you compile it |
| 15:28.41 | SpeedEvil | oops - wrong window |
| 15:28.52 | lardman | lol |
| 15:29.16 | SpeedEvil | http://www.theonion.com/articles/ethicists-update-list-of-acceptable-things-to-mast,20076/ |
| 15:30.50 | nanomad | the development package? where can I find it? |
| 15:31.41 | lardman | nanomad: I've no clue |
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| 15:32.11 | GAN900 | SpeedEvil, that seems to be happening a lot lately to the tune of progressively more bizarre messages. :P |
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| 15:39.14 | nanomad | lardman: i'm targetting an n900 and there's no dev package for libqtm-*-multimedia |
| 15:41.27 | lardman | it won't be qtm-* as that's qt mobility |
| 15:41.35 | lardman | or at least I don't think it would be |
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| 15:44.07 | nanomad | Qcamera is part of qtmobility API |
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| 16:10.32 | Sazpaimon | has anyone ever tried a maemo chroot on android |
| 16:10.36 | Sazpaimon | for shits and giggles mostly |
| 16:10.50 | MohammadAG51 | just noticed the clock applet in the status menu (not bar) is dynamic |
| 16:10.59 | MohammadAG51 | the analog clock isn't an image |
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| 16:18.12 | alterego | Heh, zehjotkah has just said that the consumer Harmattan device is: http://symbianworld.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/nokia-u-sketch-1.jpg |
| 16:18.21 | alterego | The winner of the competition last year. |
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| 16:24.49 | rm_work | lol |
| 16:25.12 | rm_work | i mean, it looks good -- besides the lack of physical keyboard |
| 16:26.37 | alterego | It looks identical to the N9 leaked last year _with_ the keyboard. |
| 16:26.42 | alterego | Except it's obviously thiner. |
| 16:26.50 | alterego | Sister device I guess |
| 16:27.02 | alterego | One with keyboard, one without, half the thickness. |
| 16:27.24 | alterego | I'd get the one without, and a stand, and use my BT keyboard when I needed to ;) |
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| 16:29.19 | NIN101 | IIRC zehjotkah said that we will love it even without keyboard, because Nokia will use a net patented technology. |
| 16:29.28 | NIN101 | *new |
| 16:29.42 | Proteous | reads your mind and types what you think? |
| 16:30.12 | NIN101 | :-) |
| 16:31.17 | alterego | I think I'd be happy without a keyboard. |
| 16:31.27 | wblaze | ugh |
| 16:31.29 | alterego | I'd keep the N900 in one pocket and have an N9 in the other. |
| 16:31.36 | wblaze | no :( |
| 16:31.50 | alterego | The N9 would be my primary phone and bling device, then if I needed to write an email, I'd use the N900 |
| 16:32.10 | alterego | (Running MeeGo N900 Developer Edition) :P |
| 16:32.11 | wblaze | just picked up the n900 because it has a real keyboard |
| 16:32.20 | alterego | wblaze: I've got three :P |
| 16:32.28 | alterego | I want to try a phone without a keyboard for a change. |
| 16:32.36 | alterego | I may hate it, but I want to try it :) |
| 16:32.42 | wblaze | yeah, well I am late to the party :p |
| 16:32.55 | wblaze | I've tried it, it sucks |
| 16:33.03 | wblaze | imo, ymmv |
| 16:33.15 | alterego | Depends who you are, my brother has an N900 and he barely ever uses the keyboard .. |
| 16:33.29 | alterego | Different users prompt different use cases. |
| 16:33.39 | Macer | wtf :) |
| 16:33.43 | alterego | For instance, if I was to just use the phone as a camera, upload to facebook device, make/receive calls etc. |
| 16:33.46 | Macer | http://www.heiaheia.com/ |
| 16:33.48 | alterego | Who needs a keyboard? |
| 16:33.52 | Macer | 502 Bad Gateway |
| 16:33.56 | wblaze | like I said, my opinion ;) |
| 16:34.03 | Macer | heh |
| 16:34.08 | Macer | i will never buy a phone without one |
| 16:34.09 | Macer | :) |
| 16:34.13 | alterego | Sure, but you probably do a bit more typing than some other people ;) |
| 16:34.13 | Macer | i HATE vkbs |
| 16:34.28 | alterego | Macer: same issue for me on that domain/site |
| 16:34.28 | Macer | but then again i went out of my way to get my bluetooth keyboard to work with my n900 |
| 16:34.30 | wblaze | alterego: am on it right now, heh |
| 16:34.31 | Macer | heh |
| 16:34.40 | alterego | *cough* me too .. |
| 16:34.42 | Macer | alterego: just bad networking? :) |
| 16:34.52 | Macer | or something else? |
| 16:35.04 | alterego | Dunno |
| 16:35.06 | Macer | like some multi billion dollar fitness conglomerate decided to knock them off the map? |
| 16:35.09 | Macer | heh |
| 16:35.17 | Macer | as you can see they are removing domains nowadays |
| 16:35.17 | wblaze | still looking for a decent bt keyboard here, everything I've found so far (retail) is huge |
| 16:35.22 | alterego | I can talk directly to their server with ping .. |
| 16:35.28 | Macer | due to money pressure heh |
| 16:35.35 | Macer | alterego: i was just using it to register on my n900 |
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| 16:35.43 | Macer | so meh .. maybe someone tripped over the power cord :) |
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| 16:36.04 | alterego | Heh |
| 16:36.12 | Macer | and i just started using ecoach with it |
| 16:36.15 | Macer | wtf :) go figure :) |
| 16:36.18 | Macer | oh wait.. it's back up |
| 16:36.44 | Macer | WE'RE CURRENTLY DOWN FOR MAINTENANCE. |
| 16:37.27 | alterego | Hah |
| 16:37.32 | alterego | Seemless .. |
| 16:42.13 | Macer | :) ah well. as long as it keeps going |
| 16:42.23 | Macer | i need to get a bt heart monitor |
| 16:42.37 | Macer | and bt headphones |
| 16:42.47 | Macer | omg the wired ones suck for running |
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| 17:07.34 | piggz | how do you get a package to show up in maemo.org/downloads ? |
| 17:12.20 | hardaker | piggz: you package it, submit it extras-devel, promote it to extras-testing and then patiently wait for enough people (10) to say it's good enough to be promoted to full extras |
| 17:12.58 | piggz | hardaker: ah...the sticking point is therfore getting it out of extras-devel, when it has a bit warning on it :) |
| 17:13.02 | hardaker | http://wiki.maemo.org/Developer_FAQ#How_can_I_package_software_for_Maemo.3F |
| 17:13.12 | piggz | Warning: Promotion of packages depending on hotfixes is blocked. |
| 17:13.18 | piggz | whatever that means? |
| 17:13.29 | hardaker | what is it depending on? |
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| 17:14.16 | piggz | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/pgz-spaceinvaders/0.3.4/ |
| 17:14.25 | piggz | qtquickcompat maybe? |
| 17:15.05 | hardaker | I believe so |
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| 17:17.43 | piggz | i wonder, if the latest version of qt in extras is >= 4.7.1, i wouldnt need to depend on qtquickcompat |
| 17:18.40 | hardaker | I believe that's the case. I don't remember what the status is though. The problem is that Qt isn't in extras, it's in the base OS. |
| 17:18.43 | hardaker | which is 4.7.0 |
| 17:19.09 | hardaker | unless you install the CSSU, which brings it to 4.7.1 (and more recently 4.7.2) |
| 17:19.25 | piggz | or...i use the qt 4.7 namespace, and remember to comment out bits depending on what platform im deploying on :/ |
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| 17:19.45 | piggz | i do use the cssu, but that would be no good for getting it into extras :) |
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| 17:20.19 | hardaker | yep. |
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| 17:23.01 | DocScrutinizer | hostmode fans are invited to give this http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1023402&postcount=821 a try and report back at ##mhd |
| 17:25.57 | javispedro | You just fried your N900 |
| 17:26.26 | javispedro | j/k ;) |
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| 17:30.39 | RST38h | http://communities-dominate.blogs.com/brands/2011/06/deluded-seriously-can-i-really-honestly-claim-that-nokias-ceo-stephen-elop-is-deluded-unfortunately-.html |
| 17:30.48 | RST38h | and hi javispedro! |
| 17:30.58 | javispedro | hi RST38h |
| 17:31.17 | RST38h | see link above, giggle =) |
| 17:31.19 | javispedro | and DocScrutinizer |
| 17:31.56 | javispedro | so, let's read a nokia fanboy's opinion for a change :) |
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| 17:36.51 | javispedro | tl;Dr |
| 17:37.21 | javispedro | either way I agree with what seems to be his main point so far about how the US doesn't matter that much and how the iphone doesn't matter that much either. |
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| 17:38.41 | RST38h | dunno, so far I amnot buying his "evidence" about that |
| 17:38.52 | javispedro | but I disagree about his initial point of high-end nokia vs cheap makers -- at least here I could pretty much guarantee nokia makes his $$ from low end |
| 17:38.56 | RST38h | "american phones made by asians" is not evidence |
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| 17:41.27 | javispedro | IMHO low end is where the fire elop mentions is. |
| 17:42.35 | javispedro | I could see Nokia surviving with the jobsphone in the market, but I would not be so sure when the $50 chinese android phone appears. |
| 17:42.57 | RST38h | Android is still $150+ |
| 17:42.57 | javispedro | (note: unsubsidized) |
| 17:43.03 | RST38h | But US market is different |
| 17:43.05 | javispedro | RST38h: trending down. |
| 17:43.17 | javispedro | yeah, I am talking about european here. |
| 17:43.18 | RST38h | $50 is hardly sustainable |
| 17:43.26 | RST38h | margins too small |
| 17:43.29 | javispedro | also, the big european market, not the young hipsters one. |
| 17:43.39 | RST38h | javispedro: Elop does not know what "european" is |
| 17:43.57 | javispedro | RST38h: and that is probably half of the reason this "communities making" guy wrote that post. |
| 17:44.05 | javispedro | (but that's another story ;) ) |
| 17:44.18 | RST38h | javispedro: To him, "european" is that cold place with bad food and stupid, stubborn subordinates that shareholders are making him visit monthly |
| 17:44.54 | RST38h | probably can't wait until Nokia HQ gets moved to California |
| 17:45.17 | kerio | i'm not exactly sure why the nokia shareholders are letting elop destroy the company |
| 17:45.36 | javispedro | RST38h: according to that guy, if the phone that has to be the savior of us all is already designed on California, I bet he's not that far from physically moving the HQs. |
| 17:45.39 | RST38h | Nokia has gota lot of large instituonalized US shareholders |
| 17:45.59 | RST38h | javis: He already mentioned moving the HQ |
| 17:46.12 | RST38h | javis:Closer to the primary market, goodweather, good food |
| 17:46.28 | javispedro | good food? move to the south dammit! ;P |
| 17:46.43 | RST38h | now starts suspecting the Rare Exports movie was really about Elop =) |
| 17:47.20 | RST38h | javis: If he moves HQ to where you are, there is a good chance some hotblooded southern european type will bomb him =) |
| 17:48.06 | RST38h | But anyway, it is all besides the point,given that Elop is gonna end up back in Seattle one way or another... |
| 17:48.59 | javispedro | it really seems like this is going to end like that |
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| 17:50.54 | lcuk | hi javispedro |
| 17:51.01 | lcuk | EHLO RST38h |
| 17:51.04 | javispedro | right after tanking the company, of course. I did not expect share price to get that down =) |
| 17:51.08 | RST38h | HELO lcuk |
| 17:51.12 | javispedro | hey lcuk |
| 17:51.37 | RST38h | javis: it ended at 6.66 last week,furtherproving that Elop is the Evil Santa! |
| 17:51.45 | lcuk | I have a question about recursion |
| 17:51.54 | RST38h | yes? |
| 17:52.04 | javispedro | lcuk: you have come to the right place! |
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| 17:52.29 | lcuk | how many levels deep should I keep going for -> http://liqbase.net/liq.20110606_010830.liqdesign2.scr.png |
| 17:52.42 | DocScrutinizer | t900:~# ls -l /usr/lib/locale/locale-archive |
| 17:52.44 | DocScrutinizer | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 29763056 Jan 22 2010 /usr/lib/locale/locale-archive |
| 17:52.44 | RST38h | until you hit a single pixelof course |
| 17:52.49 | DocScrutinizer | WTF?! |
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| 17:53.03 | lcuk | a little simpler on the eyes: http://liqbase.net/liq.20110606_123624.liqdesign2.scr.png |
| 17:53.05 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: glibc keeps a hash table of all LC_MESSAGES there. |
| 17:53.17 | lcuk | RST38h, that causes CPU problems |
| 17:53.17 | RST38h | or was your question really about quantum theory? |
| 17:53.25 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: technically you might delete it if in a hurry, but then startup times get way slower. |
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| 17:53.35 | GAN900 | grumbles about Intel Centrino cards not supporting OS X. |
| 17:53.38 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: and you need localegen/localedef to regenerate, so don't do it. |
| 17:53.41 | lcuk | I found that a 2x2 rectangle was plenty, but if you think I need more |
| 17:54.03 | RST38h | Doc:if it makes you feel better, Maemo file system compresses it to something like 7MB |
| 17:54.10 | javispedro | lcuk: depends. portal 2 only does 2 levels of recursion |
| 17:54.18 | javispedro | ;) |
| 17:54.26 | lcuk | javispedro, rly? :D |
| 17:54.30 | lcuk | I have not played it yet |
| 17:54.54 | lcuk | that is hardware accelerated too I gather |
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| 17:55.37 | javispedro | lcuk: either way, from looking at your screenshot, you now have an IDE in your liqOS? :) |
| 17:55.53 | lcuk | javispedro, oh, liqdesign existed from the start |
| 17:56.04 | lcuk | in original playground, I just added a toolbar |
| 17:56.10 | lcuk | there is nothing "new" in there at all |
| 17:56.12 | lcuk | :) |
| 17:56.33 | lcuk | ideas are seeds and have been described as wanted all along |
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| 17:57.01 | lcuk | people ignore things which do not look pretty though |
| 17:57.06 | RST38h | "What is the revenue-share deal in Japans mobile internet? Try 91/09. So yes, you, the mobile service/app developer get to keep 91 cents out of every dollar. Apple only lets you keep 70 cents." |
| 17:57.27 | javispedro | GAN900: and the entire core i* gfx first generation is also not supported, if you plan to buy a new laptop ;P |
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| 17:58.07 | DocScrutinizer | so I may rm -rf /usr/lib/locale/locale-archive /usr/lib/locale/ar_* /usr/lib/locale/[srz]* ?? |
| 17:58.14 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: ^^ |
| 17:58.28 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: if you delete them you will need to know how to regenerate it. Unless you want reduced performance. |
| 17:58.33 | javispedro | On a sane Debian locale-gen would do it. |
| 17:58.54 | javispedro | On unsane Debian you will need to call localedef manually and I don't remember the syntax |
| 17:59.11 | DocScrutinizer | I fsckng don't need 30MB locale, incl klingon |
| 17:59.17 | javispedro | someone who is more experience with the maemo locale setup might be of help here |
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| 17:59.21 | javispedro | timeless? |
| 17:59.43 | javispedro | ~seen timeless |
| 17:59.54 | infobot | timeless <ad21c479@firefox/developer/timeless> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 1d 6h 21m 32s ago, saying: 'actually, getting most formatting stuff right w/ posix is hard if you need to care about real users :)'. |
| 17:59.57 | DocScrutinizer | and that's just the file, not incl the dirs |
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| 18:02.17 | GeneralAntilles | javispedro: got GMA HD (i7 2620M) |
| 18:02.32 | javispedro | GeneralAntilles: aka second gen, so you might have luck. |
| 18:02.36 | DocScrutinizer | HAHAHA, the dirs are empty |
| 18:02.42 | GeneralAntilles | javispedro, yeah, working my way through the setup right now. |
| 18:03.04 | DocScrutinizer | it's *all* in /usr/lib/locale/locale-archive |
| 18:03.12 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: check /usr/share/locale/* |
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| 18:04.18 | javispedro | I've been coding in Python for a single day and it already feels weird going back to C. |
| 18:04.28 | javispedro | tries to "import re". |
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| 18:04.53 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: yay |
| 18:05.20 | GeneralAntilles | Airside fastfood worker has to be the worst possible job. |
| 18:05.22 | DocScrutinizer | ok, there's *some* stuff in /usr/share/locale, nicely optified mostly |
| 18:05.47 | GeneralAntilles | Not only do you get to work fast food, but your daily commute involves "TSA screening" |
| 18:06.04 | DocScrutinizer | still I wonder how to free 30+ MB om / |
| 18:06.43 | DocScrutinizer | I am definitely not interested in zh_TW |
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| 18:09.25 | RST38h | Doc: Can't, I tried |
| 18:09.38 | RST38h | Not easily, anyway, and you are still only freeing ~7MB in the best case |
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| 18:10.04 | DocScrutinizer | isn't there a job purge-locales, published by Nokia themselves? |
| 18:10.12 | RST38h | General: But look at the bright side: you will be 100% sure there are no Taliban in your ass! |
| 18:10.29 | GeneralAntilles | Always looking to the bright side. |
| 18:10.32 | RST38h | Doc: Won;t rebuild the cache |
| 18:11.18 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: |
| 18:11.19 | DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# du -hsx /usr/lib/locale/ |
| 18:11.21 | DocScrutinizer | 23M /usr/lib/locale/ |
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| 18:12.53 | DocScrutinizer | t900:~# du -hsx /usr/lib/locale/ |
| 18:12.54 | DocScrutinizer | 28.4M /usr/lib/locale |
| 18:12.56 | DocScrutinizer | t900:~# df -h / |
| 18:12.57 | DocScrutinizer | Filesystem Size Used Available Use% Mounted on |
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| 18:12.59 | DocScrutinizer | rootfs 227.9M 200.4M 23.3M 90% / |
| 18:13.38 | DocScrutinizer | t900 is a hybrid based on PR1.2 |
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| 18:14.30 | DocScrutinizer | there HAS to be a way to get rid of this cruft |
| 18:15.08 | RST38h | there is |
| 18:15.12 | RST38h | itgoes like this: |
| 18:15.25 | RST38h | 1) Get Glibc utility that rebuilds the cache |
| 18:15.32 | RST38h | 2) Kill the cache file |
| 18:15.40 | RST38h | 3) Kill all unneeded locales |
| 18:15.45 | RST38h | 4) Rebuild the cache |
| 18:15.59 | DocScrutinizer | I'm afraid the cache file holds nokia blob shit |
| 18:16.55 | DocScrutinizer | throws up |
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| 18:17.16 | RST38h | why?no, should be a standard glibc locale cache |
| 18:17.46 | javispedro | I ponder if the locale-archive is arch independent |
| 18:18.02 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, but locales for e.g. dialer etc are also in /usr/share/locale? |
| 18:18.11 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: they should |
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| 18:19.00 | DocScrutinizer | wtf isn't the whole crap optified at very least? |
| 18:19.10 | Natanaiel | which of these SD cards work better on N900? class 6 or class 10? |
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| 18:19.16 | RST38h | 'cause it should be accessible with mmc dead? |
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| 18:19.28 | DocScrutinizer | pff |
| 18:19.29 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: being a file that is read by _every single fscking process in the system_ I'd expect it to be on NAND. |
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| 18:19.47 | DocScrutinizer | again pff |
| 18:20.14 | javispedro | if you were a gentoo user, this is time where you'd say "i18n is for losers either way" and add "-nls" to your $USE |
| 18:20.18 | DocScrutinizer | you don't need locales on an init-S to fix the system |
| 18:20.32 | DocScrutinizer | you don't need locals on early boot |
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| 18:20.44 | RST38h | does not need locales |
| 18:20.45 | DocScrutinizer | ego: gotta go optification |
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| 18:21.40 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: that's the BS. on maemo you do, otherwise you get Tanna_fi_frobldombl instead of "no such file or firectory" |
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| 18:22.20 | DocScrutinizer | "nokia couldn't manage their translators otherwise" |
| 18:22.47 | DocScrutinizer | :-(((( :toktoktok: |
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| 18:27.40 | DocScrutinizer | this tana_fi_ crap is such a PITA and so broken-by-concept, and so FUBAR and no hope to ever fix it... |
| 18:27.54 | DocScrutinizer | feels urge to go out and have a booze |
| 18:28.43 | lcuk | well ahead of you |
| 18:28.44 | javispedro | hey, look at the bright side: the intel guys do not do that sort of thing. |
| 18:29.12 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, we attempted numerous patches to the core translation stuff |
| 18:29.12 | DocScrutinizer | I do not do intel |
| 18:29.20 | lcuk | to fallback on en_uk translations |
| 18:29.28 | DocScrutinizer | good |
| 18:29.34 | DocScrutinizer | what went wrong? |
| 18:29.40 | rm_work | this guy is talking about "near field" a lot... what is that? apparently every country besides the USA has "near field" phones now... ? |
| 18:29.40 | lcuk | I believe it was one of the last things we tested but that the patch did not work correctly |
| 18:30.04 | DocScrutinizer | rm_work: nah |
| 18:30.11 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, it was tried and just could not work correctly, generally each langauge is fully translated anyway |
| 18:30.16 | rm_work | i don't even know what "near field" means |
| 18:30.19 | DocScrutinizer | it's a RF tech for <50cm range |
| 18:30.29 | DocScrutinizer | and mostly used in Japan afaik |
| 18:30.34 | lcuk | rm_work, it is the mobile phone equiv of "High 5" |
| 18:30.39 | rm_work | so the way japanese phones do micro-transactions with vending machines? :P |
| 18:30.52 | lcuk | you put your phone near a transaction reader |
| 18:30.56 | rm_work | got to play with that when i was in japan for a month a few years back |
| 18:30.57 | lcuk | and it swipes the payment, yes |
| 18:30.58 | rm_work | yeah ok |
| 18:31.13 | rm_work | you'd tap your phone on a vending machine and it'd spit out your coffee drink :P |
| 18:31.34 | DocScrutinizer | nobody even knows nearfield in e.g. Germany |
| 18:31.46 | lcuk | when beggers on the street start putting waist height readers on the pavement the design will be modified ;) |
| 18:32.03 | rm_work | that's admittedly neat, and the fact that it's implemented pretty much on 100% of vending without any real privacy/hacking problems is... impressive, and very hopeful |
| 18:32.04 | lcuk | born of frustration |
| 18:32.07 | lcuk | james |
| 18:32.10 | lcuk | 1990s |
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| 18:32.56 | rm_work | so as of right now, nokia is still planning to release another "Maemo" phone? not meego, but maemo? |
| 18:33.10 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: maybe each lang is translated, but it's idiocy to require locales to make a program usable |
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| 18:34.00 | DocScrutinizer | rm_work: rumour has it it's called meego but is more maemo than meego inside |
| 18:34.10 | rm_work | hrm |
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| 18:34.44 | DocScrutinizer | not so much maemo you could call it a true maemo successor zhough |
| 18:34.45 | myuu | hey whats the proper name |
| 18:34.53 | myuu | for that balloon that comes up to notify you |
| 18:35.01 | myuu | when you get sms, ect... |
| 18:35.24 | DocScrutinizer | blloon?? |
| 18:35.47 | myuu | the notifications you get on the n900 |
| 18:35.54 | myuu | that yellow balloon |
| 18:36.03 | bindi | balloon tip? >.< |
| 18:36.32 | myuu | really? -_- |
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| 18:37.10 | DocScrutinizer | $dbus-send --type=method_call --dest=org.freedesktop.Notifications /org/freedesktop/Notifications org.freedesktop.Notifications.SystemNoteDialog string:"this is a balloon?" |
| 18:37.38 | myuu | lol |
| 18:38.38 | DocScrutinizer | uint32:0 string:"WARN" |
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| 18:41.35 | DocScrutinizer | or this? |
| 18:41.38 | DocScrutinizer | dbus-send --type=method_call --dest=org.freedesktop.Notifications /org/freedesktop/Notifications org.freedesktop.Notifications.SystemNoteInfoprint string:"NOTIFICATION" |
| 18:42.32 | DocScrutinizer | prolly you meant the latter - the SystemNoteDialog |
| 18:43.05 | DocScrutinizer | myuu: right? |
| 18:43.41 | DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#Send_notification_.28orange_one_line_popup.29 |
| 18:45.01 | DocScrutinizer | still wonders if he ever seen a real balloon shaped notification on maemo |
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| 18:52.59 | myuu | yes |
| 18:53.01 | myuu | thank you |
| 18:53.07 | myuu | I just wanted a name to put to it |
| 18:54.26 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: if you've got the phone open when you get a SMS |
| 18:54.44 | SpeedEvil | you get a little ballon shaped thing with just too few chars to read the paypal security number |
| 18:54.54 | DocScrutinizer | haha |
| 18:55.51 | DocScrutinizer | never happened to me I guess |
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| 19:49.49 | the_lord | Hi! I'm getting Memory not accessible, unable to save content on my camera, any ideas? |
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| 20:01.36 | hiemanshu | the_lord: is the USB connected? |
| 20:02.16 | the_lord | hiemanshu: nope |
| 20:02.33 | hiemanshu | the_lord: can you open it via a file manager? |
| 20:03.20 | the_lord | hiemanshu: open what? |
| 20:03.40 | hiemanshu | the_lord: the directories? can you access the data? |
| 20:03.50 | the_lord | I can create new docs in MyDocs |
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| 20:07.04 | the_lord | hiemanshu: that means yes |
| 20:07.23 | hiemanshu | the_lord: thats odd |
| 20:07.46 | the_lord | hiemanshu: hell yeah |
| 20:07.54 | hiemanshu | the_lord: open up X Terminal and see what df -h returns |
| 20:08.12 | the_lord | I've got 19Gb free |
| 20:08.38 | the_lord | hiemanshu: pro-user here, all trivial problems already discarded |
| 20:08.49 | the_lord | fsck'ed fat partition too |
| 20:08.55 | hiemanshu | the_lord: ah, dint know that :D |
| 20:09.21 | hiemanshu | the_lord: maybe the others might know about me, /me can't think of anything |
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| 20:14.44 | divan | the_lord, are you sure partition is mounted in read-write now? |
| 20:15.17 | the_lord | /dev/mmcblk0p1 on /home/user/MyDocs type vfat (rw,noauto,nodev,noexec,nosuid,noatime,nodiratime,utf8,uid=29999,shortname=mixed,dmask=000,fmask=0133,rodir) |
| 20:15.33 | the_lord | divan: ^ |
| 20:15.53 | divan | the_lord, mount shows default options for partition and not the actual one. |
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| 20:17.14 | the_lord | divan: are you sure? |
| 20:17.22 | mece | \o |
| 20:18.33 | divan | the_lord, can't check right know, but I've seen a few times partition remounted ro were shown by mount as rw. Thus this assumption. |
| 20:19.14 | the_lord | divan: well, touch /home/user/MyDocs/something does what it has to do |
| 20:19.42 | the_lord | and in the browser, I can save pics, and full pages, same in email |
| 20:19.46 | the_lord | just camera |
| 20:19.56 | divan | the_lord, ok. then it does mounted rw :) The troubles only with Camera? |
| 20:20.06 | the_lord | divan: yes |
| 20:20.13 | divan | check DCIM folder. Maybe permissions/filecount/etc |
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| 20:25.15 | the_lord | divan, everything good there |
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| 21:02.00 | DocScrutinizer | the_lord: you're pro-user, so I'd expect you to make clear statement of your camera's storage setting (phone/card) |
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| 21:05.18 | DocScrutinizer | if camera is set up to store to uSD card, there's only so much use in fuzzing with MyDocs |
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| 21:10.58 | javispedro | realizes worriedly that I am now a fan of the top global menu bar concept.. |
| 21:11.17 | RST38h | Welcome to Amiga. |
| 21:11.38 | yigal | lol |
| 21:11.50 | javispedro | :) |
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| 21:18.58 | lcuk2 | javispedro, for touchscreens it is annoying |
| 21:19.11 | lcuk2 | especially dual mode keyboard ones |
| 21:19.23 | lcuk2 | i really want a taskbar on meego netbook |
| 21:19.35 | lcuk2 | alt tabbing hurts my brain with the method it does |
| 21:19.37 | javispedro | I disagree, on touchscreens that have decent border sensitivity that is |
| 21:20.02 | javispedro | being on any border is virtually an order of magnitude faster... |
| 21:20.17 | lcuk2 | javispedro, location optimised |
| 21:20.23 | lcuk2 | on your lap is one place |
| 21:20.36 | lcuk2 | on a desk still as a foldered out laptop style is another |
| 21:20.38 | lcuk2 | on a wall is another |
| 21:20.42 | javispedro | excuuuuuuuuse me for not having a giant touchscreen |
| 21:20.46 | lcuk2 | :P |
| 21:20.46 | javispedro | ;P |
| 21:21.00 | lcuk2 | flat on the table is another |
| 21:21.11 | lcuk2 | which is odd because of lcd quality and viewing angle on some devices |
| 21:21.32 | lcuk2 | I thought of something cool earlier |
| 21:21.49 | lcuk2 | replace the down bit on the stairs with an lcd screen |
| 21:21.55 | lcuk2 | you have to go up and down stairs |
| 21:22.01 | lcuk2 | so you could put calendar there :) |
| 21:22.18 | lcuk2 | "tidy your room" |
| 21:22.23 | lcuk2 | "clean your teeth" |
| 21:22.30 | lcuk2 | other things needed as the kids walk past ;) |
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| 21:28.16 | javispedro | wonders which kind of keystroke could have caused the previous disastrous sentence |
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| 22:05.30 | DocScrutinizer | anybody ever heard about amixer --abstract basic and the concept behind it? |
| 22:06.03 | DocScrutinizer | any pointer to docs you could share? |
| 22:18.34 | rm_work | why, you out of things to scrutinize? :P |
| 22:18.54 | rm_work | has not ever heard of whatever that is, unfortunately |
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| 22:26.33 | alterego | ""users can have more than one full screen app running at once, with a swipe gesture to switch between them." oops.... Apple was first" |
| 22:26.36 | alterego | haha |
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| 22:30.08 | mece | alterego, ios5? |
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| 22:58.16 | DocScrutinizer | rm_you: obviously about ALSA, and some python stuff |
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