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| 00:14.46 | Macer | damn |
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| 00:14.58 | Macer | sure wish gftp worked a little better in maemo |
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| 00:56.38 | DocScrutinizer | wireshark -k -i <(ssh -l root IroN900 tshark -w - -i phonet0 ) |
| 00:57.30 | DocScrutinizer | http://gnutoo.homelinux.org/downloads/people/DocScrutinizer/isi.so |
| 00:57.42 | DocScrutinizer | \o/ |
| 01:02.56 | DocScrutinizer | http://maemo.cloud-7.de/wireshark-ISI.jpg |
| 01:04.37 | DocScrutinizer | NIN101: ^^^^^^ |
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| 01:05.18 | DocScrutinizer | bbl |
| 01:06.32 | NIN101 | DocScrutinizer: I know, I already installed the plugin while you fighted against RPM or something :-) |
| 01:07.03 | NIN101 | *fought |
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| 01:21.25 | DocScrutinizer | anyway... http://maemo.cloud-7.de/wireshark1.4.4_ISI/ |
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| 01:35.18 | Termana | good morning |
| 01:38.37 | NIN101 | gn8 |
| 01:39.47 | DocScrutinizer | bbl, burgerbreak |
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| 02:29.47 | hiemanshu | I may be blind, but I can't find the password for the VM Appliance |
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| 04:15.33 | Macer | hiemanshu: maemo/maemo |
| 04:15.34 | Macer | :) |
| 04:16.26 | hiemanshu | Macer: ? |
| 04:16.35 | hiemanshu | ah, Macer I found it :P |
| 04:18.44 | Macer | ok |
| 04:18.51 | Macer | the sdk sucks |
| 04:19.03 | Macer | it is amazing that so many apps were even made |
| 04:19.23 | Macer | but i am sure actual devs probably tweaked the hell out of their sdk |
| 04:22.59 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: jacekowski: http://www.gizmoforyou.net/site/en/gizmocommunity/photos/photo.html?groupid=12&albumid=15#photoid=329 |
| 04:24.02 | DocScrutinizer | compare: http://www.blockprojekt.de/wp-content/uploads/lectron1.jpg |
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| 04:32.04 | DocScrutinizer | http://www.lectron.de/ |
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| 04:35.22 | Macer | wow. hi luke-jr |
| 04:35.34 | Macer | how goes gentoo on the n900? |
| 04:36.24 | luke-jr | haven't had time to touch it for a while |
| 04:36.30 | luke-jr | and quite honestly, it seems N900 is dead |
| 04:36.33 | luke-jr | as a platform |
| 04:36.58 | luke-jr | I don't know what I'm going to migrate to :/ |
| 04:37.08 | luke-jr | maybe we'll have another 5 years with nothing new |
| 04:37.15 | luke-jr | like after Sharp killed the Zaurus |
| 04:39.19 | Macer | heh |
| 04:39.30 | Macer | i dunno.. maemo has the cssu stuff going |
| 04:39.42 | psycho_oreos | sounds like you've given up hopes and dreams compared to others whom still persistently work to make N900 usable |
| 04:40.21 | psycho_oreos | maemo has meego hackers edition going, maemo has people still willing to port hildon UX to meego, etc |
| 04:40.30 | psycho_oreos | maemo isn't dead community-wise |
| 04:41.00 | Macer | luke-jr: i almost gave up on it too but then i finally got my su8w working properly and haven't used my g2 in a month |
| 04:41.40 | luke-jr | psycho_oreos: I never cared about Meego period |
| 04:41.48 | luke-jr | psycho_oreos: just the hardware, which is obsolete now |
| 04:42.12 | Macer | i was really close to ebaying it.. but even if maemo has a lot less support than it had it still beats the crap out of android |
| 04:42.21 | ketas | i plan to get one used |
| 04:42.44 | luke-jr | Macer: yeah, I still use it occasionally, but I don't see it going anywhere :/ |
| 04:43.08 | Macer | luke-jr: i use it more than my android phone |
| 04:43.18 | luke-jr | I don't have a phone. |
| 04:43.18 | psycho_oreos | luke-jr, there hasn't been another device that will run maemo platform :) unless you intend to say something like android or moblin |
| 04:43.20 | luke-jr | don't want one either |
| 04:43.26 | ketas | i hope one day i can use such devices just like computers |
| 04:43.29 | luke-jr | psycho_oreos: like I said, I don't care about Maemo. |
| 04:43.30 | ketas | install os i want |
| 04:43.34 | Macer | honestly android sucks compared to maemo and realistically... what does maemo need? |
| 04:43.46 | luke-jr | psycho_oreos: I run Gentoo |
| 04:44.11 | Macer | luke-jr: get a libretto |
| 04:44.18 | luke-jr | wtf is that? |
| 04:44.29 | Macer | tiny toshiba laptop |
| 04:44.40 | luke-jr | 7" isn't tiny |
| 04:44.43 | luke-jr | way too big |
| 04:44.45 | Macer | at least it used to be |
| 04:44.46 | psycho_oreos | luke-jr, some bloke had debian on maemo, and no, not in a chroot environment. I don't know if the bloke is still working on it or not |
| 04:44.51 | Macer | 7"? |
| 04:44.57 | luke-jr | psycho_oreos: I have Gentoo on N900. |
| 04:45.04 | Macer | damn. last time i saw it it was like 4 :) |
| 04:45.05 | luke-jr | Macer: yes that's what google said |
| 04:45.35 | ketas | can't put that into pocket |
| 04:45.45 | psycho_oreos | luke-jr, though you're not going to improve that? :D |
| 04:46.00 | luke-jr | psycho_oreos: no, N900 is obsolete already |
| 04:46.14 | ketas | depends what you mean |
| 04:46.29 | psycho_oreos | luke-jr, obsolete without a successor :) |
| 04:47.04 | ketas | nokia is going too |
| 04:47.08 | Macer | no n950 with meego? |
| 04:47.11 | Macer | :) |
| 04:47.27 | luke-jr | Macer: Nokia went Windows, forget? |
| 04:47.45 | ketas | nokia just ends i'm afraid |
| 04:47.50 | ketas | no windows, nothing |
| 04:49.39 | luke-jr | lol |
| 04:49.42 | luke-jr | Windows = end |
| 04:50.43 | ketas | when i heard win8 having tile-based interface used with vertial touch screen... yes |
| 04:50.54 | ketas | pretty much end |
| 04:51.39 | luke-jr | ⦠|
| 04:52.44 | ketas | s/vertial/vertical/ |
| 04:52.50 | Macer | http://mobileoffice.about.com/od/mobilegeargadgets/gr/oqo.htm |
| 04:53.01 | Macer | no. i didn't forget ;) |
| 04:53.12 | Macer | 9"? |
| 04:53.21 | Macer | is that how large it is opened? |
| 04:53.41 | Macer | oh. .9 |
| 04:53.52 | Macer | thickness |
| 04:54.20 | ketas | can't put that into pants pocket i'm afraid |
| 04:54.55 | Macer | http://www.oqo.com/products/index.html |
| 04:55.15 | Macer | that looks pocket sized |
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| 04:56.36 | ketas | only wifi? |
| 04:57.14 | ketas | oh |
| 04:57.21 | ketas | there is a way |
| 04:57.44 | Macer | yeah |
| 04:57.49 | Macer | adapter for it |
| 04:57.54 | Macer | wow i want one of those |
| 04:58.00 | Macer | that thing is a beast |
| 04:58.08 | ketas | doh, adapter for it? |
| 04:58.14 | Macer | yes |
| 04:58.31 | Macer | some optional accessory according to the specs |
| 04:58.38 | Macer | intel gma500 |
| 04:58.43 | Macer | shared mem tho |
| 05:01.34 | ketas | 450g weight |
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| 05:03.45 | Macer | i cant find out where to buy one |
| 05:03.59 | ketas | i want something smaller |
| 05:04.04 | ketas | more like n900 |
| 05:05.17 | Macer | oh. it won't be produced |
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| 05:05.36 | Macer | too bad that looks awesome |
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| 05:54.58 | psycho_oreos | any of you tinkered with the contents of osso-backup made backups? trying to find the list of applications that the user has previously installed |
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| 06:54.11 | DocScrutinizer | it's a simple dir, with a applications.zip, that holds a /var/lib/hildon-application-manager/(catalogs|applications).backup "file" with plain text XML content |
| 06:54.16 | DocScrutinizer | HTH |
| 06:57.13 | psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer, thanks a million! I was barking up the wrong tree that whole time *grumbles*, I was constantly searching for that in settings.zip |
| 07:01.53 | DocScrutinizer | psycho_oreos: thanks you for pushing me at it. I mentioned to _trine lately how nice it'd be to have a "backup" publicly available, that has only applications, but then *all* available applications, so you could work around that annoying "install one app at a time, then wait 5min" issue in HAM |
| 07:03.04 | DocScrutinizer | just "restore" that public "backup", and select the apps to install from the multiple choice list that HAM is showing when called via backup-app |
| 07:03.17 | psycho_oreos | I guess that issue isn't as bad as installing packages that are not publicly available :) you get a big list of packages that cannot be installed due to this or that after waiting for x amounts of hours |
| 07:04.00 | DocScrutinizer | can't follow |
| 07:04.08 | DocScrutinizer | prolly I'm tired |
| 07:05.55 | DocScrutinizer | psycho_oreos: could you rephrase please? maybe a real life example? |
| 07:06.31 | psycho_oreos | well normally when one restores application list from osso-backup. the user gets prompted upon reboot that HAM needs to be turned on for restoring of applications. When the user does that, the user has to wait for HAM to finish checking individual applications that the user has installed and comparing that to the repository to see if its available before prompting the user the list of packages that cannot be installed or can be installed. The user clicks |
| 07:06.31 | psycho_oreos | on what to install/restore however there's some applications that cannot be installed because they don't meet certain requirements. This is after several hours of waiting :) |
| 07:06.41 | psycho_oreos | I was in the process of doing just that :D |
| 07:08.05 | psycho_oreos | humm there was an application whereby HAM popped up to say this package is not installable due to blah blah case. Continue installing? and you get Yes/No question |
| 07:13.20 | psycho_oreos | I can't quite remember the name of the package off the top of my head but due to the amounts of restore I have had to do and the last time I did restore which was not long ago I have some memories of it |
| 07:13.41 | psycho_oreos | I think it was called nQapp or something, audiobook player/reader |
| 07:16.43 | psycho_oreos | woot! caching all the apps so that I won't have to get hacked HAM to download as much on next restore (hopefully) |
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| 08:24.12 | ShadowJK | wtf, Cordia banner? |
| 08:24.25 | ShadowJK | (hildon on meego) |
| 08:24.52 | DocScrutinizer | eh? |
| 08:25.40 | DocScrutinizer | psycho_oreos: thanks for stopping me before I invested time into this backup-all idea |
| 08:28.05 | ShadowJK | on tmo, there's ad banner for cordi |
| 08:28.36 | ShadowJK | cordia |
| 08:28.36 | ShadowJK | I think cordia is project to run gtk+hildon (maemo) on meego :P |
| 08:28.41 | psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer, sometimes the more I think of it, the more it makes sense for one to use backupmenu imo |
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| 08:29.24 | DocScrutinizer | backupmenu is KING - kudos to robbiethe1st |
| 08:29.51 | psycho_oreos | indeed |
| 08:31.11 | DocScrutinizer | now if it also would do on-board fiaskogen, it'd be just too good to be true |
| 08:31.46 | ShadowJK | has new battery for his N810 |
| 08:31.54 | ShadowJK | third battery so far :P |
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| 08:32.39 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, I swapped the old one against a "new" unused one from my spare, and reboots still happen |
| 08:32.53 | ShadowJK | The out of box charge is higher than fully charged 2 yo genuine nokia batt |
| 08:33.20 | robbiethe1st | DocScrutinizer: Well, you're welcome to mess with it. There's a nice "t"(test) command area you can add whatever code you want to; make things simple. |
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| 08:33.35 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
| 08:33.54 | DocScrutinizer | robbiethe1st: I'm afraid I got NFC about fiascogen |
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| 08:34.19 | DocScrutinizer | learned about its existence like 2 weeks ago |
| 08:35.21 | DocScrutinizer | for sure we'd not want to create the fiasco during backupmenu running, this should become a post-backup task |
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| 08:35.47 | DocScrutinizer | triggered somewhere in system boot, or "cron"/"at" |
| 08:36.16 | DocScrutinizer | maybe even not at all on-board but on x86 linux? |
| 08:36.33 | DocScrutinizer | (sorry win/mac-users) |
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| 08:38.35 | DocScrutinizer | maybe this one: /usr/bin/pnmtofiasco ;-P |
| 08:39.38 | DocScrutinizer | thought I got a complete SB SDK here, but no fiascogen or similar anywhere |
| 08:40.10 | DocScrutinizer | wonders where this thing came from, and where it hides |
| 08:40.30 | robbiethe1st | Well, the only thing I can say about this is that it'd have to be done at very low priority if the system was running: unzipping/zipping a large file will cause the system to be unresponsive, and sometimes crash it(I'm guessing when it doesn't send watchdog pulses fast enough |
| 08:40.44 | robbiethe1st | I'm guessing the creation process would be just as demanding |
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| 10:05.29 | alterego | "The epic Android thread" not so epic anymore. |
| 10:06.22 | alterego | What we need is a few more random rumours, then t.m.o will be super popular. |
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| 10:20.22 | sleibt | Ex-Opesa, dunno if it's usefull but "some" programs can't output sound in silent mode on N900 / Maemo 5. Took me quite some time to figure out why audible navigation would not say anything ;-) |
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| 10:38.38 | Ex-Opesa | sleibt, My mobile is not on silent mode. Normal as usual. |
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| 10:45.28 | sleibt | Ex-Opesa, "unfortunate" as it's the only suggestion I had... |
| 10:46.16 | Ex-Opesa | sleibt, its okay. :) |
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| 11:29.41 | ShadowJK | wow |
| 11:30.06 | ShadowJK | it's so weird seeing my N810 hit 800mAh charge and still far from full |
| 11:32.00 | DocScrutinizer | how would you reset kbd controller of a laptop without powercycling or suspending? |
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| 11:35.40 | ShadowJK | cosmic rays |
| 11:36.05 | DocScrutinizer | won't help to reset |
| 11:36.36 | DocScrutinizer | is there any rmmod or somesuch? |
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| 11:38.00 | BCMM | DocScrutinizer: is it a USB kb? |
| 11:38.10 | ShadowJK | does you laptop have PS/2 ports? |
| 11:38.15 | BCMM | also, what sorta reset? |
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| 11:38.22 | DocScrutinizer | no |
| 11:38.46 | MohammadAG51 | ShadowJK, I think all touchpads are PS/2 |
| 11:38.50 | DocScrutinizer | using crappy usb kbd now |
| 11:39.05 | MohammadAG51 | or recognized as that |
| 11:39.20 | ShadowJK | MohammadAG, I just want to know if he has external ports or not |
| 11:39.30 | DocScrutinizer | no |
| 11:40.38 | ShadowJK | it's mostly reset at boot by the bios anyway |
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| 11:41.34 | ShadowJK | these things are like multifunction chips that start emulating the old historic dedicated chips once initialized? |
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| 11:43.24 | DocScrutinizer | 'funny' is both tp and kbd freeze same time |
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| 11:46.31 | DocScrutinizer | meh |
| 11:46.33 | DocScrutinizer | o/ |
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| 11:47.23 | Khertan_n810 | Hello ... i ve revived my n810 :) |
| 11:48.39 | Khertan_n810 | does there is a qt version of n810 that support qml ? |
| 11:49.50 | MohammadAG | Khertan_n810, there's no 4.6, so there's no 4.7 |
| 11:50.01 | Khertan_n810 | ouch |
| 11:51.59 | Khertan_n810 | qml could be the way to use qt without hikdonization, isn't it ? |
| 11:52.15 | MohammadAG | yes |
| 11:55.55 | Khertan_n810 | it s funny to see that ham is really faster on Diablo |
| 11:56.37 | lcuk | Khertan_n810, \o |
| 11:56.46 | lcuk | uses his n810 regularly |
| 11:57.46 | Khertan_n810 | revive his n810 ... repair screen connector |
| 11:58.34 | Khertan_n810 | and now i m thinking ... who i prefere the n810 screen size |
| 11:58.49 | Khertan_n810 | s/who/whao |
| 11:59.16 | compengi | how come i can browse shared folders on the same network from media player? |
| 12:00.08 | compengi | this is very weird] |
| 12:00.19 | psycho_oreos | upnp sharing |
| 12:00.47 | compengi | hmm.. but why from the media plsyer |
| 12:00.55 | compengi | player* |
| 12:01.09 | ruskie | because that's what upnp is meant from |
| 12:01.34 | ruskie | media sharing |
| 12:02.01 | compengi | hmm.. nice |
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| 12:05.00 | GNUtoo | hi, how to install tcpdump in maemo 1.3? |
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| 12:06.10 | GNUtoo | I've added freemantle-tools repo but still nothing |
| 12:07.14 | psycho_oreos | have you refreshed the lists? |
| 12:07.21 | GNUtoo | yes |
| 12:07.30 | GNUtoo | and it's a fresh install |
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| 12:08.00 | psycho_oreos | actually the one in tools is older than the one in free |
| 12:08.10 | ShadowJK | ... "free"? |
| 12:08.37 | GNUtoo | ah I get it with apt-get |
| 12:08.41 | GNUtoo | I'll try to install it |
| 12:08.54 | ShadowJK | Yes it wont show in application manager |
| 12:09.38 | psycho_oreos | 500 http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/free Packages |
| 12:09.52 | psycho_oreos | it won't show with a stock setup HAM :) |
| 12:16.07 | GNUtoo | thanks for the help |
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| 12:23.01 | ShadowJK | 1400mAh from battery low to full charge on my new Pisen N810 battery :) |
| 12:23.19 | ShadowJK | that's more than genuine nokia battery last time |
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| 12:57.56 | MohammadAG | Khertan_n810, QBadgeButton looks interesting, I might use it in a QListWidgetItem (C++ though) |
| 12:58.04 | MohammadAG | so thanks for that :) |
| 12:58.13 | Khertan_n810 | hehe |
| 12:58.18 | Khertan_n810 | it s not perfect |
| 12:58.31 | Khertan_n810 | but it didn t look too bad |
| 12:58.55 | MohammadAG | it needs more white in the red gradient |
| 12:59.23 | Khertan_n810 | oh you think ? |
| 12:59.36 | MohammadAG | yeah, I use facebook for iOS a lot :P |
| 13:00.22 | Khertan_n810 | hehe |
| 13:03.31 | MohammadAG | Khertan_n810, http://i52.tinypic.com/ke6jrr.jpg |
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| 13:05.38 | Khertan_n810 | indeed |
| 13:06.20 | Khertan_n810 | it s take me less time to do it with qwidget than qml |
| 13:07.18 | Khertan_n810 | it s took me 15min to do it in qwidget and 4 hours in qml |
| 13:07.32 | Khertan_n810 | and it s not working well in qml |
| 13:09.43 | alterego | just discovered ctrl+o in microb |
| 13:12.46 | MohammadAG | Khertan_n810, lol |
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| 13:13.29 | MohammadAG | how does PyQt get around /usr/include/qt4/QtGui/qpainter.h:534: error: QPainter::QPainter(const QPainter&) is private ? |
| 13:13.39 | MohammadAG | I see you passing QPainter in one function |
| 13:14.54 | alterego | Python wraps everythin in pointers |
| 13:15.22 | alterego | A pyobject isn't merely a QObject, it's a QObject pointer wrapped in a Python binding |
| 13:15.58 | MohammadAG | pointers, right |
| 13:16.20 | MohammadAG | I usually use QPainter as an object, but it's actually a pointer in a delegate :P |
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| 13:23.38 | MohammadAG | thumbnailitemdelegate.cpp:77: error: passing const ThumbnailItemDelegate as this argument of void ThumbnailItemDelegate::drawBadge(QPainter*, int, int, int, QString, QBrush) discards qualifiers wtf |
| 13:23.45 | MohammadAG | I'm not even passing this |
| 13:24.19 | alterego | Can you like me the source file |
| 13:25.35 | alterego | link ... |
| 13:26.11 | MohammadAG | http://pastie.org/private/2fdzkgch4t72fc7ftxmwcq |
| 13:27.18 | alterego | Hrm |
| 13:27.36 | alterego | Oh right |
| 13:27.46 | MohammadAG | it's a translation of http://khertan.net/articles/maemo/qbadgebutton_a_qpushbutton_with_a_badge_counter , sort of |
| 13:28.42 | MohammadAG | line 59 is the one erroring out |
| 13:30.05 | alterego | Yes, I gathered that |
| 13:30.17 | alterego | But I can't see why it thinks it's a const pointer |
| 13:30.23 | alterego | Anyway, just do a cast |
| 13:30.30 | alterego | (QPainter*)painter |
| 13:30.36 | alterego | when passing the paramter. |
| 13:31.16 | alterego | Oh I see, it's a const _function_ .. |
| 13:31.52 | alterego | paint(...) const |
| 13:32.30 | alterego | You need to make drawBadge(..) const also |
| 13:32.51 | MohammadAG | thanks |
| 13:33.05 | alterego | So forget what I said about casting the painter object ;) |
| 13:34.14 | Ex-Opesa | This is weird. My n900 didn't have sound on Asphalt 5 and now even Bubble Bash (newly installed) don't got it. Any fix for this guys? |
| 13:35.39 | alterego | Turn off & on |
| 13:36.20 | Ex-Opesa | Restarting n900 would help, you mean? |
| 13:36.45 | alterego | Yes |
| 13:37.07 | Ex-Opesa | Any reason behind that? |
| 13:37.17 | Ex-Opesa | I am restarting though. |
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| 13:37.52 | alterego | It's worked for me in the past. |
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| 13:40.54 | Ex-Opesa | It didn't work. NFSU got sound though. :S |
| 13:41.07 | Ex-Opesa | Also Asphalt5's intro video has sound. |
| 13:42.24 | Ex-Opesa | Angry Birds also has sound. |
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| 13:43.42 | Venemo | good morning |
| 13:44.24 | Ex-Opesa | G'Morning, Venemo. |
| 13:44.33 | Venemo | hi Ex-Opesa :) |
| 13:45.31 | Ex-Opesa | How are you doing? |
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| 14:03.34 | alterego | Really enjoying using this exo pc :) |
| 14:04.22 | alterego | Now I can start working on some of these cool projects I've got in mind for larger touch screen devices. |
| 14:05.05 | Khertan_n810 | alterego: does it run meego ? |
| 14:05.18 | Khertan_n810 | if yes does qt is themed ? |
| 14:06.36 | alterego | I'm running ubuntu 11.04 |
| 14:07.10 | alterego | I've run meego on it (came with a relatively old version pre installed, also used the wetab os, which is quite neat. |
| 14:07.43 | alterego | But my development will probably just using qml on top of Ubuntu until I've prototyped my UX, then I'll work on a meego instance.# |
| 14:08.18 | Khertan_n810 | so good luck with qml :) |
| 14:08.36 | alterego | I'm not going to be using handset or tablet ux, need to develop my own ;) |
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| 14:08.47 | alterego | I've been using qml for ages :P |
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| 14:09.22 | Khertan_n810 | i ll wait qml 2.0 before doing other try |
| 14:09.41 | alterego | I don't have that luxury :P |
| 14:10.00 | alterego | I've been developing the qml reference dialer application for meego btw |
| 14:10.13 | Khertan_n810 | i didn t have it too |
| 14:10.28 | piggz | so, it seems someone decided to fake a score on my hi-score system already :/ |
| 14:11.02 | alterego | lame |
| 14:11.26 | Khertan_n810 | but as doing syntax hilighting isn t doable yet with qml, as many part aren't working on maemo |
| 14:12.43 | Khertan_n810 | each time i try to do something with qml i got bugs, limitations and slow result on n900, i ll wait 2.0 |
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| 14:15.00 | alterego | Ah, you don't use meeego then ;) |
| 14:15.06 | Khertan_n810 | no |
| 14:15.43 | Khertan_n810 | and meego is definitively not a target for me |
| 14:15.50 | Khertan_n810 | no theme on qt |
| 14:15.56 | Khertan_n810 | problem with qml |
| 14:16.05 | Khertan_n810 | it s a NoGo |
| 14:16.41 | alterego | Meh, fixed in 1.3 ;P |
| 14:17.08 | Khertan_n810 | what qt theme or all qml bugs ? |
| 14:17.32 | alterego | I imagine most of your issues |
| 14:17.47 | alterego | qwidget is deprecated |
| 14:17.59 | Khertan_n810 | qml is immature |
| 14:18.11 | Khertan_n810 | try to do syntax highlighting on text |
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| 14:18.25 | Khertan_n810 | try playing sound in loop |
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| 14:18.35 | alterego | m'hmm |
| 14:18.52 | alterego | That's where you use C++ |
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| 14:18.57 | MohammadAG | I agree that QML is immature tbh |
| 14:19.01 | alterego | Or submit fixes |
| 14:19.11 | Khertan_n810 | try to do fast listview with a bit more complex display |
| 14:19.13 | alterego | I think it's, erm, adolescent :) |
| 14:19.31 | alterego | I wouldn't say immature as much as it's almost there# |
| 14:19.33 | Khertan_n810 | i ll call it baby |
| 14:19.51 | alterego | And we need more people to help extend it into different use cases. |
| 14:20.11 | alterego | It's not really enough to just give up and moan about it. Get involved and help shape it |
| 14:20.32 | Khertan_n810 | alterego ? almost ? if all you need is display rectangle or image with iphonic animation, yes it s ready |
| 14:21.04 | Khertan_n810 | i m sorry but i didn t have enought time to help to make it working |
| 14:21.16 | Khertan_n810 | i ve enough to do with my own project |
| 14:21.26 | alterego | I think you think QML is supposed to do everything qwidgets do, but it's not |
| 14:21.43 | alterego | qt-components implements widget set |
| 14:21.47 | Khertan_n810 | exactly ... so why deprecated qwidget |
| 14:22.00 | alterego | Anything specialised you have to implement yourself just like you do with qwidget. |
| 14:22.00 | Khertan_n810 | qt-component ? which one ? |
| 14:22.08 | trx | [16:18] <alterego> qwidget is deprecated <- oO |
| 14:22.18 | trx | how come? |
| 14:22.21 | alterego | trx: it's deprecated in Qt5 |
| 14:22.33 | alterego | It's being replaced with qml2 |
| 14:22.40 | Khertan_n810 | yep but implementing hilighting on textedit is as slow as a ahsmatic moskito |
| 14:22.44 | trx | oh, i wasnt aware of that |
| 14:23.04 | Khertan_n810 | so no it s not ready for everything |
| 14:23.06 | trx | Khertan_n810 dont user textedit |
| 14:23.12 | Khertan_n810 | ? |
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| 14:23.17 | trx | draw your own control |
| 14:23.22 | Khertan_n810 | lol |
| 14:23.30 | alterego | Khertan_n810: I agree with you really, but it's more supposed to be a glue and animation framework to seperate logic and make it easier to develop different UXs for different display profiles, when binding together your customer C++ components. |
| 14:23.36 | trx | dont use* |
| 14:23.41 | Khertan_n810 | and why not do you own framework ? |
| 14:23.59 | trx | no need |
| 14:24.05 | alterego | custom .. |
| 14:24.16 | Khertan_n810 | altergo: it s worse ... it s require to design a ui for each device, plateform |
| 14:24.30 | trx | check txpad, it has a custom control for text editing |
| 14:24.36 | alterego | Khertan_n810: not really. |
| 14:24.42 | trx | no problems with syntax higlighting |
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| 14:25.01 | Khertan_n810 | txpad do syntax hilighting ? |
| 14:25.04 | alterego | If you do it write you can write a single qml app that runs across multiple verticals |
| 14:25.13 | trx | Khertan_n810 and code folding |
| 14:25.22 | trx | (not all languages supported atm) |
| 14:25.56 | Khertan_n810 | txpad use qwidget |
| 14:26.17 | trx | not exactly |
| 14:26.33 | trx | it uses its own methods for text controls |
| 14:26.40 | trx | and those use LCL from Lazarus |
| 14:27.09 | trx | so when qwidget gets deprecated, it is simply replaced in the LCL interface |
| 14:27.46 | trx | basicaly, it only uses qt to draw the controls on the screen and interface with it |
| 14:28.11 | Khertan_n810 | i can use also pygment but displaying result in qml is slow |
| 14:28.36 | Khertan_n810 | while it s not with a qtextedit |
| 14:29.06 | trx | never heard of pygment |
| 14:29.16 | trx | its a highlighing framework or what? |
| 14:29.26 | Khertan_n810 | exactly |
| 14:31.24 | trx | i am very satisfied with highlighting i have |
| 14:31.47 | trx | but to implement code folding for more languages takes time |
| 14:31.50 | Khertan_n810 | and i m too on khteditor |
| 14:31.55 | trx | it should have been simpler |
| 14:32.03 | trx | but it is what it is.. |
| 14:32.08 | Khertan_n810 | :) |
| 14:32.12 | trx | :) |
| 14:32.43 | Khertan_n810 | i m just angry by the future of qt |
| 14:32.53 | Khertan_n810 | qml is a pain |
| 14:33.03 | trx | never tried qml myself |
| 14:33.33 | Khertan_n810 | it s took 20 or 50 more time to do something worse than with qwidget |
| 14:33.45 | trx | that sucks |
| 14:33.59 | Khertan_n810 | yeah |
| 14:34.16 | trx | why did they go that way, will it have improvements over QWidget eventualy? |
| 14:34.20 | Khertan_n810 | and many things are missing, not yet ready or buggy |
| 14:34.40 | Khertan_n810 | why did they switch for wp7 |
| 14:34.48 | trx | good point.. |
| 14:35.15 | Khertan_n810 | gtk is almost inexistant now for mobile dev |
| 14:35.39 | Khertan_n810 | qt will become an ugly webruntime |
| 14:35.49 | Khertan_n810 | which choice now |
| 14:37.07 | MohammadAG | deprecated doesn't mean won't work |
| 14:38.04 | Khertan_n810 | it s mean won t work |
| 14:38.14 | SpeedEvil | It means bugs don't tend to get fixed. |
| 14:38.18 | Khertan_n810 | no theme for apps |
| 14:38.21 | SpeedEvil | So over time... |
| 14:39.01 | MohammadAG | Khertan_n810, nope |
| 14:39.08 | MohammadAG | QHttp works, but it's deprecated |
| 14:39.46 | Khertan_n810 | yeah but without theme on qt apps you cqn t use qwidget |
| 14:40.07 | Khertan_n810 | and what will be the future |
| 14:40.13 | Khertan_n810 | using qml |
| 14:40.27 | trx | there littraly are no themes for qt apps? |
| 14:40.33 | Khertan_n810 | nope |
| 14:40.52 | trx | damn, that adds much more work to port |
| 14:40.59 | trx | current apps |
| 14:41.01 | Khertan_n810 | look like the same when you run qt app qs root on maemo |
| 14:41.08 | Khertan_n810 | no theme |
| 14:41.14 | Khertan_n810 | no kinetic scroll |
| 14:41.22 | Khertan_n810 | no rotation |
| 14:41.36 | MohammadAG | MeeGo will have a Qt theme |
| 14:41.36 | Khertan_n810 | and many other things like that |
| 14:41.41 | trx | damn kinectic scroll, i hate that thing |
| 14:41.49 | Khertan_n810 | are you sure ? |
| 14:41.51 | trx | i had to reinvent kinetic scrolling |
| 14:41.56 | trx | for my controls |
| 14:41.58 | Khertan_n810 | they said no |
| 14:43.17 | Khertan_n810 | trx indeed i ve reinvent some part too |
| 14:43.52 | MohammadAG | who said no |
| 14:44.05 | MohammadAG | cause the theme exists but was disabled |
| 14:44.12 | MohammadAG | -style meegotouch when they get it working again |
| 14:44.26 | Khertan_n810 | some guys on #qt-arm |
| 14:44.32 | Khertan_n810 | didn t remember |
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| 14:45.16 | MohammadAG | ask on #meego-arm |
| 14:46.23 | Khertan_n810 | i got similar answer if i remember well |
| 14:48.42 | Khertan_n810 | hum meegotouch style didn t seem to works on meego de |
| 14:49.17 | Khertan_n810 | it s even worse |
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| 14:49.53 | MohammadAG | take this to #meego-arm |
| 14:50.04 | MohammadAG | #maemo isn't the right place for MeeGo's stuff :p |
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| 14:50.53 | Khertan_n810 | indeed |
| 14:51.28 | Khertan_n810 | but the main problem was how to do soft that work truely multi plateform |
| 14:52.00 | Khertan_n810 | html5 + python + a stupid loader seems the only answer |
| 14:52.06 | trx | the only way i see is to create a custom theme |
| 14:52.12 | trx | and use it |
| 14:52.27 | trx | everywere, so it will be independent |
| 14:52.32 | trx | but that sucks |
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| 15:11.45 | javispedro | hmm |
| 15:11.50 | javispedro | bill gates wants to force uefi on arm |
| 15:11.54 | javispedro | for windows 8 |
| 15:12.05 | javispedro | so that's how they want to do it. |
| 15:12.18 | MohammadAG | uefi? |
| 15:12.35 | javispedro | EFI "2" |
| 15:12.48 | MohammadAG | doesn't ring any bells |
| 15:12.59 | bindi | extensible firmware interface |
| 15:13.01 | javispedro | that is because you haven't bought any sandy bridge platform yet ;) |
| 15:13.02 | bindi | u for unified |
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| 15:13.43 | javispedro | ~= BIOS 2.0 |
| 15:14.57 | javispedro | this will be interesting to follow, as ms still has much more "persuasion" than meego, linaro, etc. |
| 15:15.43 | javispedro | or maybe not. |
| 15:15.49 | javispedro | interesting times ahead. |
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| 15:17.50 | Venemo | without any ARM based products, MeeGo won't really go anywhere, so no wonder MS has more "persuasion" |
| 15:18.12 | javispedro | I'm not talkinga bout the kind of influence that needs product |
| 15:18.16 | javispedro | *products |
| 15:18.21 | javispedro | e.g. Linaro won't have products |
| 15:19.08 | javispedro | (where product is shipping consumer device; ofc they have other kinds of products) |
| 15:19.43 | javispedro | rather, this is about standarization. |
| 15:20.22 | javispedro | who will settle the PC-like reference standard that everyone will follow for the next decade? Android? MS? |
| 15:20.42 | SpeedEvil | SHR! |
| 15:21.42 | javispedro | bets MS. But tightly followed by my second option, "No one". |
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| 15:28.54 | _trine | Is there a way I can open 2 or 3 terminals at the same on the N900 ? |
| 15:29.29 | hiemanshu | _trine: yeah, open the app multiple times, it should open in a new terminal |
| 15:30.19 | _trine | when I try that it just comes back to the same terminal |
| 15:30.37 | Choom | just use screen |
| 15:30.43 | hiemanshu | opens up in a new one for me |
| 15:31.05 | Choom | and setup .screenrc to make switching terminals easier |
| 15:31.19 | hiemanshu | _trine: oh you have to click the name X Terminal on top |
| 15:31.21 | hiemanshu | and hit new |
| 15:31.29 | _trine | I tried apt-get install screen and there wasnt one |
| 15:31.51 | hiemanshu | _trine: ^ |
| 15:32.05 | _trine | hiemanshu, you are right |
| 15:32.17 | _trine | I can choose new |
| 15:32.26 | hiemanshu | yeah, and it should open a new one |
| 15:32.41 | _trine | yes it does thanks |
| 15:33.21 | _trine | I did not find screen,, has anyone else got screen on their n900 |
| 15:35.09 | _trine | does anyone use faircrack here |
| 15:35.37 | _trine | there does not seem to be a way to use deauth |
| 15:35.52 | Choom | hmm, screen is really missing |
| 15:36.01 | Choom | usually I use it remotely so I never thought about it much |
| 15:36.36 | SpeedEvil | screen is there |
| 15:36.44 | SpeedEvil | It's in one of the repos I have enabled - I forget |
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| 15:38.03 | hiemanshu | http://maemo.org/packages/view/screen/ |
| 15:38.11 | hiemanshu | its in the extras-devel |
| 15:38.30 | Choom | weird, I think I'm using it |
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| 15:44.33 | GNUtoo | hi, is the power kernel capable of kexec-ing another kernel or to be kexec-ed? |
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| 15:50.19 | magnetophon | Hi, first of all: hats off to all the devs of the most polished Debian I have ever seen! I love it! Now for the question: Where do i start looking if i get a memory leak/cpu boom as soon as i click on reply in 'modest', but only in one mail, and not the others (afaik). I'm running extra's, and I have had testing enabled for a second, to install strongswan (which was later purged). |
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| 15:53.46 | GAN900 | magnetophon, might play with the newer version in the CSSU |
| 15:53.52 | GAN900 | ~cssu |
| 15:53.52 | infobot | rumour has it, cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU |
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| 15:55.52 | magnetophon | GAN900: http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Features doesn't mention modest. Are you saying this is a known bug? |
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| 16:04.26 | GAN900 | magnetophon, couldn't say offhand, but it's probable |
| 16:04.30 | GAN900 | Modest is pretty sucky |
| 16:05.43 | magnetophon | GAN900: Well, http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Changelog does mention modest, quite a lot. Not my bug though. Guess I could upgrade and see if it improves. Would you say cssu stable is as reliable as extra's? |
| 16:06.20 | magnetophon | GAN900: and what don't you like about modest? What do you use? |
| 16:06.37 | GAN900 | Modest |
| 16:06.44 | GAN900 | But it's just badly put together |
| 16:07.02 | GAN900 | CSSU is a bit less stable than Extras, arguably. |
| 16:07.13 | GAN900 | But it works better than PR1.3. |
| 16:08.15 | magnetophon | what do you mean by less stable but works better? |
| 16:08.42 | magnetophon | and what do you suggest for mail on the N900? |
| 16:09.30 | magnetophon | ah you mean more features but also more bugs, right? |
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| 16:12.29 | magnetophon | GAN900: http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Email_Options doesn't mention any real alternatives to Modest... |
| 16:12.47 | nid0 | modest is a lot sucky |
| 16:12.57 | nid0 | the n900's implementation of it, at least |
| 16:13.10 | magnetophon | nid0: so waht are the alternatives? |
| 16:13.13 | magnetophon | what |
| 16:13.28 | nid0 | my alternative is my E90 running s60 3rd ed with Profimail |
| 16:14.18 | magnetophon | wait, I thought maemo was the topic, and it only runs on n***, right? |
| 16:14.36 | GAN900 | Right |
| 16:15.03 | javispedro | and 770 ;P |
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| 16:15.22 | GAN900 | magnetophon, CSSU updates don't go through the same QA as Nokia updates. There are lots of bugfixes, but also some experimental features. |
| 16:15.26 | javispedro | (but it wasn't called maemo then..) |
| 16:15.32 | GAN900 | javispedro, aargh. |
| 16:16.05 | pronto | does anyone have a good method of turning the n900 into a webcam, using the back camera? having issues with the gstreamer method |
| 16:16.35 | magnetophon | so what's good for mail on the n900? Or: how do I find the cause of massive memory/cpu consumtion when i click reply in this one email (but not others) |
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| 16:16.39 | SpeedEvil | In principle, you could write a UVC gadget. |
| 16:16.43 | SpeedEvil | Or convince someone to. |
| 16:16.50 | SpeedEvil | That would be a compleelty generic way |
| 16:16.57 | SpeedEvil | And would work with 'any' PC |
| 16:17.18 | javispedro | there was one already iirc |
| 16:17.20 | javispedro | k-mode though |
| 16:17.35 | nid0 | magnetophon: there are no good n900 mail clients. your choices are modest, claws, or easydebian and a desktop client. The last two are immensely difficult options to use as they arent hildonised |
| 16:18.14 | magnetophon | pronto: did you try: http://wiki.maemo.org/Streaming_video_from_built-in_webcam#Streaming_over_ssh_N900 |
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| 16:19.28 | pronto | magnetophon: video streaming over x11 fowarding? that sounds horrible |
| 16:19.33 | pronto | i'll give it a try though |
| 16:20.53 | magnetophon | nid0: so everyone is using webmail? or sold their n900? Hey man, I'm on my N900 honeymoon here, don't kill the buzz!! ;) |
| 16:21.20 | Arkenoi | claws is not for weak hearts |
| 16:21.27 | nid0 | I think most are just accepting the fact that the device has a crappy email client |
| 16:21.58 | Arkenoi | And there are some things that *could* be fixed, but no one cares |
| 16:22.24 | Arkenoi | it has new fancy UI with "tree view" in CSSU, but it still takes 4 taps to get to inbox! |
| 16:23.04 | Arkenoi | iirc there is WIP for QML-based all singing and dancing email client |
| 16:24.42 | magnetophon | Arkenoi: Well i'm migrating from hotmail so i'm ALREADY in my inbox after 4 quick taps! ;) |
| 16:24.50 | magnetophon | So, no ideas on the freak cpu/mem usage? |
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| 16:25.41 | nid0 | tbh using hotmail with modest isnt too terrible as a lot of modest's suckiness is with imap rather than MfE |
| 16:25.59 | Arkenoi | well, you may use gmail web "optimized for iphone and android", it looks pretty nice on n900 |
| 16:26.07 | nid0 | but, i've never seen any problems with resource usage replying to messages |
| 16:26.56 | magnetophon | nid0: i'm migrating TO imap! What are the main problems I should be watching for? |
| 16:28.02 | nid0 | well, the huge ones for me are lack of imap idle (modest should support it but Nokia in their infinite wisdom decided to remove the ability entirely rather than just make it an option) and total lack of the ability to set local folder subscriptions |
| 16:28.26 | magnetophon | Arkenoi: one of my reasons for moving to imap was "big brother"... |
| 16:28.34 | nid0 | I also had a load of other annoyances and limitations, but its been a while since i've even had my work imap account setup on the device |
| 16:28.38 | mer_ge | I also just can use modest jo get email notifications. nothing more |
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| 16:29.34 | mer_ge | I use sylpheed in little debian atm |
| 16:29.40 | magnetophon | nid0: let me google that.. |
| 16:31.39 | magnetophon | nid0: so imap idle could use less battery because it doesn't need to "ping " the server? or what's the big deal? |
| 16:32.08 | magnetophon | nid0: just asking... |
| 16:32.11 | nid0 | imap idle uses more battery than intermittently polling the server, but it allows for new messages to be delivered instantly |
| 16:32.23 | nid0 | the fact that it uses more power is why nokia decided to remove the feature |
| 16:32.48 | magnetophon | nid0: me likes :D |
| 16:35.13 | mer_ge | does anyone use "eduroam" with maemo? |
| 16:36.25 | javispedro | eduroam settings are wildly variable between campuses. |
| 16:36.44 | mer_ge | oh, didnt know that |
| 16:37.15 | mer_ge | I couldn't get it to work here in austria although it seemed it was supported through the UI |
| 16:37.59 | javispedro | what's the configuration there? |
| 16:38.41 | magnetophon | The info I have now (about the resource-bug) is not going to lead to a very useful bug report (i think). What is my next step in researching this? Are there email headers or something that I could attach to the bug-report? (so the Modest devs can find out what made that mail different) |
| 16:42.15 | mer_ge | javispedro that's it http://www.zid.tuwien.ac.at/en/kommunikation/tunet_the_network_of_the_tu_vienna/wlan/eduroam/ |
| 16:42.33 | magnetophon | nid0: did you mean subscribe to a folder as it is used here: http://kb.mozillazine.org/IMAP ? (the thunderbird waw) |
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| 16:42.58 | javispedro | mer_ge: http://wiki.maemo.org/PEAP%2BMSCHAPv2 |
| 16:43.40 | javispedro | mer_ge: note that TU is on the whitelist, so it should work :) |
| 16:43.49 | mer_ge | oh nice, havent seen the page before! awesome |
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| 16:44.25 | timeless_xchat | grumbles |
| 16:44.50 | timeless_xchat | ham, apt-get and dpkg all hung when i asked them to remove 'katana' |
| 16:44.59 | timeless_xchat | now apt-get autoremove is hanging |
| 16:45.24 | timeless_xchat | how do i ask dpkg why it's hanging (short of using strace) |
| 16:45.45 | MohammadAG51 | a reboot fixes it, a killall doesn't |
| 16:45.52 | MohammadAG51 | happened to me on ubuntu a couple of times |
| 16:46.12 | nid0 | magnetophon: thunderbird and most mail clients support obeying server-side subscriptions and setting local subscriptions as well |
| 16:46.12 | MohammadAG51 | couldn't find a reason |
| 16:46.16 | nid0 | modest only does the former |
| 16:48.56 | Macer | i want an oko 2+ |
| 16:49.04 | Macer | i bet the damn thing will be impossible to find |
| 16:49.19 | Macer | oqo |
| 16:49.56 | SpeedEvil | oqo? |
| 16:50.04 | nid0 | the oqo2 that got cancelled? |
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| 16:50.31 | Macer | it was cancelled?? |
| 16:50.32 | Macer | wow |
| 16:50.40 | Macer | well.. there goes that then it seems |
| 16:50.44 | Macer | damn that thing looks totally awesome |
| 16:50.50 | Macer | http://www.oqo.com/products/index.html |
| 16:51.17 | Macer | a damn shame |
| 16:51.43 | SpeedEvil | Ummm |
| 16:51.45 | SpeedEvil | Intel atom? |
| 16:52.30 | Macer | yeah heh |
| 16:52.35 | SpeedEvil | Ah - that's a chunky battery. |
| 16:52.35 | Macer | nothing wrong with atoms :-P |
| 16:52.49 | SpeedEvil | My n900 has lots of them in. |
| 16:52.52 | SpeedEvil | True. |
| 16:53.03 | SpeedEvil | But a MID with a fan is ... |
| 16:53.06 | Macer | but that thing looks like it is pretty cool |
| 16:53.18 | Macer | yeah. the fan kind of threw me off :) |
| 16:53.49 | Macer | but the specs on that thing are awesome for its size |
| 16:53.58 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 16:53.58 | Macer | plus the docking bay thing looks pretty neat |
| 16:55.14 | Macer | that thing looks like it could seriously pick up if they actually make it |
| 16:55.33 | Macer | i am curious if they actually sold a few of them because i could have sworn i saw on on ebay or amazon |
| 16:55.39 | Macer | but that might have been a model 2 |
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| 16:56.08 | Macer | We are sorry to report that OQO Inc. is out of Business as of April 2009, OQO has closed. |
| 16:56.12 | Macer | damn :) |
| 16:56.33 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:56.42 | SpeedEvil | In april 2009? |
| 16:56.53 | SpeedEvil | That was pretty ambitious. |
| 16:56.53 | Macer | yeah |
| 16:56.59 | Macer | i know :( |
| 16:57.06 | Macer | too bad they started off during the economic collapse |
| 16:57.57 | Macer | they had absolutely awesome hardware |
| 16:58.11 | Macer | maybe i will try to get an older model 1 to see how it is.. but damn that 2+ looks like it seriously could have been something |
| 16:58.29 | SpeedEvil | Or did they have awesome slides? |
| 16:58.31 | Macer | maybe i can write a letter to dell to tell them to pick it up haha |
| 16:58.42 | SpeedEvil | Well... |
| 16:58.53 | SpeedEvil | With the upcoming oak-trail and ... thingies from intel. |
| 16:59.43 | Macer | yeah :) |
| 16:59.49 | Macer | it is a shame that the best things come to an end |
| 16:59.56 | Macer | i guess if you are a start up things never work out anymore |
| 16:59.57 | Macer | heh |
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| 17:00.11 | Macer | that oqo stuff looked great but they just didn't have the money to keep going i bet |
| 17:00.29 | javispedro | it was über expensive |
| 17:00.45 | Macer | how much? |
| 17:00.50 | Macer | $2400? |
| 17:01.15 | Macer | i think for something like that i would pay $2000 :) a 1.8GHz atom in the palm of a hand is nice |
| 17:01.17 | javispedro | they did sell models with that price |
| 17:01.19 | SpeedEvil | You've got all the costs of a notebook. |
| 17:01.40 | SpeedEvil | And then 1.5* the cost as it's a small vendor, maybe 2* the cost as it's small volume, ... |
| 17:02.05 | Macer | SpeedEvil: prices would have dropped as supply and demand would increase |
| 17:02.18 | Macer | but they were around during the worst of the economies |
| 17:02.27 | javispedro | not when they started |
| 17:02.30 | javispedro | imho |
| 17:02.32 | Macer | so their failure was already fated :) |
| 17:02.39 | SpeedEvil | Macer: True. |
| 17:02.45 | SpeedEvil | Macer: If they can hit volume |
| 17:02.52 | Macer | javispedro: yeah but releasing stuff during 2009 |
| 17:03.03 | Macer | only apple could pull that one off |
| 17:03.06 | Macer | :) |
| 17:03.23 | Macer | ok. i have to go. too bad about that oqo. that thing looks like it would have been pretty damn great |
| 17:03.29 | Macer | i'd have bought one |
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| 17:04.16 | SpeedEvil | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/OQO-02-1-5-32-GB-SSD-1GB-RAM-Verizon-NEW-/300563349211?pt=Laptops_Nov05&hash=item45faf8bedb |
| 17:05.37 | MohammadAG51 | was the guy who wrote the password generator that gen'd "maemo" ever thanked? |
| 17:07.13 | javispedro | ...hmmm active digitizer |
| 17:07.15 | javispedro | drools |
| 17:12.02 | hiemanshu | dammit, second freaking time, I rm -rf 'ed in the wrong dir :/ |
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| 17:15.50 | myuu | I dont know why im reminded of the openpandora when I look at that thing |
| 17:16.13 | GAN900 | Does anybody actually have one? |
| 17:16.28 | GAN900 | I like how it sort of dropped off the face of the planet when it started shipping. |
| 17:16.45 | javispedro | because it did exactly what Nokia might be going to do in af ew months |
| 17:16.56 | javispedro | release a long-due outdated gadget when everyone is already on the next generation. |
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| 17:57.13 | moo_ | is there any alternetive flashlight application? |
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| 17:58.24 | hiemanshu | whats wrong with the current one? |
| 17:58.51 | moo_ | it causes a bunch of wakeups |
| 17:59.07 | moo_ | i.e. decreases battery life significantly |
| 17:59.53 | moo_ | so i want a binary or a command I can simply run to turn on the leds |
| 18:00.25 | hiemanshu | ah, well I use flashlight-extra, never really had a problem |
| 18:00.38 | hiemanshu | slide the cover, and it asks me if I want camera or flashlight |
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| 19:24.44 | Ikarus | anyone have http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/sharing-twitter-multi/ working ? it isn't popping up the browser when it says it would |
| 19:26.40 | Necc | the biggest problem in the world |
| 19:27.08 | Necc | any hope that there will be ever a stable, useful dropbox client for N900? |
| 19:30.26 | Veggen | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:30.28 | Veggen | urk. |
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| 20:28.39 | MohammadAG | it's been quiet in here lately |
| 20:28.45 | mece | \o |
| 20:28.55 | mece | it's weekend and summer |
| 20:29.37 | SpeedEvil | On that topic. |
| 20:29.53 | SpeedEvil | http://www.flickr.com/photos/14560445@N08/5797734468/in/photostream |
| 20:30.52 | vldcnst | I see no peppers in that pic |
| 20:31.21 | SpeedEvil | I don't think I have any peppers. |
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| 20:37.31 | MohammadAG51 | hmm, accessing music off the uSD should reduce load times right? |
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| 20:52.34 | mece | SpeedEvil, wow |
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| 21:08.58 | SpeedEvil | :) |
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| 21:18.39 | bindi | how's mobile hotspot supposed to work? |
| 21:18.43 | bindi | I have enhanced linux kernel |
| 21:18.51 | bindi | I tried it but it doesnt work |
| 21:19.08 | bindi | it starts.. after that my phone tells me theres no internet connection and tells me to pick a new one |
| 21:19.12 | bindi | in that list, I can see the ap I created |
| 21:19.15 | bindi | others cant |
| 21:23.11 | bindi | actually now I get a hotspot failed to start |
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| 21:38.41 | Macer | is there a better video player? |
| 21:38.55 | Macer | the default isn't bad but the zooming sucks :) |
| 21:39.40 | Macer | does m5 have canola? |
| 21:40.16 | SpeedEvil | Video player? |
| 21:40.24 | Macer | yes |
| 21:40.28 | SpeedEvil | You mean for not flash? |
| 21:40.39 | arvut | Macer: try VLC |
| 21:40.45 | Macer | yes |
| 21:40.53 | Macer | oh.. vlc for maemo? |
| 21:41.01 | Macer | didn't know that |
| 21:41.40 | arvut | oh right |
| 21:41.47 | arvut | i'm in here =) |
| 21:41.49 | Macer | does canola even do video? |
| 21:42.00 | arvut | but sure, it works under easy debian I think |
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| 21:42.31 | Macer | i would try to avoid easydeb at all costs ;) |
| 21:42.41 | arvut | not sure why you would want to use the n series for watching movies on tho |
| 21:42.42 | Macer | something about chroots |
| 21:42.50 | arvut | aha |
| 21:42.55 | Macer | why? it works fine |
| 21:43.04 | Macer | i just have 4:3 avis |
| 21:43.13 | Macer | that i would rather stretch out |
| 21:43.52 | arvut | so small monitor tho |
| 21:44.08 | arvut | I prefer using mine for music, photos and ircing |
| 21:44.18 | arvut | and occasionally surfing on |
| 21:44.28 | arvut | ff4 is somewhat a pain tho |
| 21:44.47 | Macer | it isnt too bad on the go |
| 21:44.52 | Macer | or at an airport |
| 21:45.10 | Macer | i dont like lugging around a laptop if i dont have to |
| 21:45.17 | arvut | no, not at all. considering having tabs and addons |
| 21:45.32 | arvut | I much prefer my desktop i7 =P |
| 21:46.11 | Macer | heh. i much prefer my television ;) |
| 21:46.20 | Macer | but that doesn't fit in a pocket |
| 21:46.29 | arvut | =) |
| 21:46.44 | Macer | maybe i should carry around a portable projector and the av cables for the n900 |
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| 21:47.00 | arvut | could be cool |
| 21:47.20 | Macer | heh |
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| 21:47.32 | Macer | ah well. let me see if there is a better media player |
| 21:47.45 | SpeedEvil | mplayer works, and can do that. |
| 21:47.48 | Macer | i remember canola being good but haven't used it since the n810 |
| 21:47.50 | SpeedEvil | But it sucks more battery |
| 21:47.58 | Macer | i am charged ;) |
| 21:48.09 | Macer | charging |
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| 21:48.43 | SpeedEvil | needs to find a small boost converter to finish off his thingy. |
| 21:48.58 | SpeedEvil | 150mAh battery, 3-5V converter -> swap battery thingy |
| 21:49.20 | arvut | I ordered a mügen power battery for my n900. amazing stuff |
| 21:49.20 | Macer | huh? |
| 21:49.25 | arvut | 2400mAh |
| 21:49.41 | Macer | doesn't it make it so you cant use your cam? |
| 21:50.15 | jacekowski | you can |
| 21:50.20 | jacekowski | you get another cover and everything |
| 21:50.27 | jacekowski | it's just making tablet even bigger |
| 21:50.42 | Macer | does it come with the cover with cam access? |
| 21:50.44 | jacekowski | to the point where 9 out of 10 will mistake it for a brick |
| 21:50.50 | Macer | haha |
| 21:50.54 | jacekowski | instead of just 5 out of 10 |
| 21:51.19 | Macer | i am not one to care for the size if it stays in use for 3 days without needing a charge |
| 21:51.41 | jacekowski | http://www.mugen-power-batteries.com/media/catalog/product/cache/5/image/1000x500/e5c3f25dbe2a3021345b55270d5894a1/h/l/hli_n900xl_newdoor.jpg |
| 21:52.03 | arvut | Macer: yeah, but no lid lock |
| 21:52.20 | arvut | so you have to be careful with it, even more careful |
| 21:52.34 | jacekowski | well, many phones have no lid on camera |
| 21:52.37 | jacekowski | iphone |
| 21:53.09 | arvut | jacekowski: that would explain the shitty cam on iphones then =) |
| 21:53.50 | arvut | that battery makes my phone 7mm thicker tho, but there is a tighter fit with the new cover. and the hole into the camera is like a pit |
| 21:55.13 | arvut | currently I'm keeping the extra battery with me at all times so when I run out of slim-battery power, I shut down and change to the bigger one. |
| 21:55.57 | jacekowski | i just have solar powered charger |
| 21:56.11 | arvut | that would be hax, where can I get one? |
| 21:56.16 | jacekowski | maplin |
| 21:56.24 | SpeedEvil | ponders a 8*AA back. |
| 21:56.38 | vldcnst | D cells! |
| 21:56.38 | SpeedEvil | 6.4Ah |
| 21:56.48 | Macer | heh |
| 21:57.01 | Macer | ah i see |
| 21:57.10 | Macer | so you keep the lid open by default? |
| 21:57.19 | jacekowski | http://www.maplin.co.uk/solar-fast-charger-with-torch-389248 |
| 21:57.25 | Macer | i would't get something that unless i was in the safari |
| 21:57.27 | jacekowski | it has internal battery |
| 21:57.30 | jacekowski | can be charged from usb |
| 21:57.39 | jacekowski | so you charge it over usb/sun |
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| 21:57.50 | jacekowski | and then you can charge phone or any kind of usb shit with it |
| 21:58.09 | Macer | jacekowski: solar powered? |
| 21:58.13 | jacekowski | yes |
| 21:58.17 | Macer | 10 days for a full charge? :) |
| 21:58.41 | jacekowski | 150mA charge from sun |
| 21:59.36 | SpeedEvil | In other words - at the equator in full sun if you point it at the sun all the time, it'll charge in a day |
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| 22:05.03 | Macer | heh |
| 22:05.24 | Macer | i guess it would work as an awesome act of desperation |
| 22:05.25 | jacekowski | it will charge faster |
| 22:05.37 | jacekowski | it has internal battery for that |
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| 22:07.09 | Macer | yeah but once it has a good enough charge... lions are eating you |
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| 22:08.21 | jacekowski | they have no mobile coverage in africa anyways |
| 22:08.54 | SpeedEvil | Actually - that's not really true. |
| 22:09.09 | SpeedEvil | Some bits of course - but... |
| 22:09.33 | jacekowski | maybe in tourist places |
| 22:10.08 | jacekowski | but once you are somewhere else iridium is your only hope |
| 22:10.08 | Macer | yeah but you may need the flash to signal for help |
| 22:10.17 | Macer | :) |
| 22:10.52 | jacekowski | and some iridium terminals have like 3weeks standby time |
| 22:10.57 | Macer | iridiums are kind of crappy. i had to use them all the time in iraq |
| 22:11.14 | jacekowski | well expect delays |
| 22:11.24 | jacekowski | but quality was ok |
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| 22:41.56 | cero_absoluto | so a question... this whole AT&T tethering thing... am i doing something wrong? I've been tethering with my prepaid vodofone sim card from india for the past 5 months... came back turned on my AT&T service again and switched sim cards |
| 22:42.25 | cero_absoluto | i have an unlimited data plan, but can't seem to do the straightforward connection where i enter the APN user/pass into the ubuntu network manager thing |
| 22:43.02 | cero_absoluto | seems to work through the hotspot, but i don't quite understand why the other method doesn't work |
| 22:44.03 | cero_absoluto | Mobile Broadband method vs. n900 as wired internet through hotspot |
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| 22:48.41 | cero_absoluto | I mean, as long as one method works, i guess i have no reason to complain |
| 22:50.29 | Macer | kmplayer is pretty good |
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| 23:36.08 | user__ | hi guys |
| 23:36.52 | user__ | so i downloaded the adblock plugins for n900 default browser |
| 23:37.21 | user__ | and now i cant see pictures at certain site |
| 23:37.29 | user__ | any help? |
| 23:38.08 | SpeedEvil | divodurum: Find out how to configure adblock |
| 23:39.23 | divodurum | ehh |
| 23:39.29 | divodurum | ...how? |
| 23:39.40 | SpeedEvil | I've no idea, never having used adblock. |
| 23:39.54 | SpeedEvil | I'd suggest searching for maemo adblock configuration or something on google. |
| 23:39.54 | divodurum | cwell,crap |
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| 23:40.06 | divodurum | its sort of weird you know |
| 23:40.17 | divodurum | tpics work fine on other sites |
| 23:40.31 | divodurum | but on this one they wont |
| 23:40.51 | cero_absoluto | i dunno, probably similar to configuring it under firefox on a regular pc |
| 23:41.01 | cero_absoluto | either that or just uninstall adblock to see the pictures |
| 23:41.18 | SpeedEvil | That's simply as the pics on one site are presumably hosted on a blacklisted server. |
| 23:41.30 | divodurum | guess ill give it a shot then |
| 23:41.37 | SpeedEvil | How do you think adblock works? |
| 23:41.50 | divodurum | me? |
| 23:41.58 | divodurum | fucking magic thats how |
| 23:43.41 | SpeedEvil | It's got a list of servers it won't show images from. |
| 23:45.15 | divodurum | you know its nothing crazy, thw site i mean |
| 23:45.40 | divodurum | a finnish "chan" |
| 23:46.50 | divodurum | hmm, deleting seemed to work |
| 23:46.59 | divodurum | thanks for ghelp i guess |
| 23:49.25 | SpeedEvil | The lists are generally community maintained. |
| 23:50.27 | MohammadAG | it should be configurable through microB extensions |
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