| 00:00.31 | DocScrutinizer | the moment wayland will be on par with X11 feature and security wise, it simply can not be any better than X11 |
| 00:01.01 | alterego | And you know enough about X11 to say this? |
| 00:01.10 | DocScrutinizer | that's what I learned by Raster making me think and do my own conclusions about how things work at the GFX front |
| 00:01.18 | MohammadAG | afaik wayland was developed so you could control each frame |
| 00:01.27 | MohammadAG | so it'd allow less dropped frames |
| 00:01.44 | MohammadAG | of course, I love eye candy, but I still can't believe every major distro's dropping X |
| 00:01.53 | alterego | vsync is one of the benifits of wayland |
| 00:02.04 | alterego | Full compositing is also another. |
| 00:02.15 | alterego | ubuntu is, so it must be good :P |
| 00:02.31 | DocScrutinizer | and that does what exactly? make wayland faster and leaner??? naah |
| 00:03.39 | alterego | It makes it more controllable and and predictable |
| 00:03.51 | DocScrutinizer | sorry I have some way more attractive leisure stuff waiting for me than discussing another "we can do better than the old farts" issue |
| 00:03.54 | MohammadAG | aka better eye candy to the consumer |
| 00:03.55 | alterego | Besides it was developed by the DRI2 and AIGLX guy .. |
| 00:04.07 | DocScrutinizer | so o/ |
| 00:04.16 | MohammadAG | alterego, ubuntu adopting something means it must be good now? :P |
| 00:04.29 | alterego | MohammadAG: that was a joke :) |
| 00:05.10 | MohammadAG | I realize that, hence the \:\P |
| 00:05.14 | MohammadAG | escaped smileys ftw |
| 00:06.04 | alterego | nVidia has no plans to support wayand, that's a shame :) |
| 00:06.20 | MohammadAG | more reason for me to stay with X :P |
| 00:06.43 | MohammadAG | alterego, which companies are supporting it? |
| 00:06.47 | MohammadAG | besides TI I guess |
| 00:06.54 | alterego | I think the benifits at least from my perspective are with mobility and media centric devices. |
| 00:06.59 | alterego | Intel |
| 00:07.20 | alterego | Removing the possibility of tearing? |
| 00:07.21 | alterego | Win |
| 00:07.23 | Macer | wtf is wayland? |
| 00:07.29 | MohammadAG | Reducing game support? |
| 00:07.46 | MohammadAG | you're a bit behind Macer |
| 00:07.49 | alterego | Why would it reduce game support? |
| 00:07.56 | alterego | OpenGL is still there. |
| 00:07.57 | MohammadAG | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayland_(display_server) |
| 00:08.04 | MohammadAG | alterego, a good GFX chip isn't |
| 00:08.17 | MohammadAG | with all respect to intel, their chips don't really cut it for high end gaming |
| 00:09.04 | Macer | direct writing to the video hardware huh? |
| 00:09.23 | Macer | i stopped reading once i saw "meego" |
| 00:09.24 | Macer | hahahha |
| 00:09.34 | MohammadAG | ... |
| 00:10.27 | Macer | alterego: according to wikipedia... a serious win |
| 00:10.58 | MohammadAG | oh well, we'll see, new things don't always end up bad |
| 00:11.20 | alterego | They do if you're DocScrutinizer :P |
| 00:11.28 | Macer | tell that to christians |
| 00:11.32 | alterego | Hah |
| 00:11.37 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 00:11.45 | alterego | Tell that to any religious nut :P |
| 00:11.56 | alterego | Don't single out Christians :P |
| 00:12.06 | alterego | Christianity is one of the newest religions :P |
| 00:12.21 | MohammadAG | I wonder if there's a DBus signal tied to alarms |
| 00:12.23 | Macer | alterego: which is why i picked it ;) |
| 00:12.37 | MohammadAG | cause I'd love to remove the touch screen driver when my alarm sounds |
| 00:12.46 | Macer | sounded a little better than scientologists |
| 00:12.52 | alterego | MohammadAG: I'm sure there is |
| 00:13.01 | MohammadAG | or probably the touch screen + mce |
| 00:13.09 | MohammadAG | that way the only way to stop the alarm is to ssh in |
| 00:13.15 | MohammadAG | or remove the battery |
| 00:13.37 | MohammadAG | problem is, I can do the second while asleep |
| 00:14.22 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: use alarmed "play-sound /dev/urandom" - also little chances to stop that with a few clicks |
| 00:14.43 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, you don't know me |
| 00:14.54 | jrayhawk | http://blip.tv/file/get/Linuxconfau-XAndTheFutureOfLinuxGraphics549.ogv for anyone not really familiar with why Wayland is a good idea |
| 00:15.02 | DocScrutinizer | I know a solution to your roblem though :-P |
| 00:15.14 | MohammadAG | I tried a 7.1 system, didn't help |
| 00:15.26 | DocScrutinizer | waterhose and electromagnetic valve |
| 00:15.58 | MohammadAG | can't do that in the next 5 minutes :p |
| 00:16.10 | Macer | opengl es.. no network tansparancy? |
| 00:16.12 | Macer | wtf? :) |
| 00:16.27 | Macer | parency |
| 00:16.40 | alterego | Macer, you can get net transparency using xephyr .. |
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| 00:18.54 | Macer | a little curious about the opengl es stuff |
| 00:19.10 | User1042 | hello! |
| 00:19.17 | Macer | i would think opengl es would be a tad bit on the lacking side |
| 00:19.23 | Macer | but then again.. who plays games nowadays? |
| 00:20.04 | MohammadAG | Macer, having a good GPU helps sometimes |
| 00:20.23 | Macer | isn't opengles missing certain instructions? |
| 00:20.41 | Macer | i always assumed gles was more so for portable devices and a stripped down ver of opengl |
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| 01:40.11 | SpeedEvil | Hello! I get SMSs from an online service. |
| 01:40.51 | SpeedEvil | These all come from the same number. Is there a way to have different notifications for different strings in the SMS? |
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| 01:56.41 | DocScrutinizer | haha, my T900 is on pinkdots |
| 01:59.10 | DocScrutinizer | I consider producing a proper header for the video and applying for the next award for experimental art |
| 01:59.46 | DocScrutinizer | let's see if OVI takes the 244MB .mp4 :-P |
| 02:00.10 | DocScrutinizer | I'd *love* to share with you - made me LOL |
| 02:01.06 | DocScrutinizer | alas I bet OVI will blow chunks |
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| 02:20.54 | GAN900 | A friend of mine started turning his PDFs into PCM streams and "listening" to research papers at work. |
| 02:22.08 | SpeedEvil | You mean text-speech? |
| 02:22.13 | SpeedEvil | Or has he gone strange? |
| 02:24.26 | GAN900 | No, just placing a PCM header at the top of the file. |
| 02:24.38 | GAN900 | and listening to the raw data stream. |
| 02:25.19 | SpeedEvil | Ah. |
| 02:25.48 | b-man` | lol |
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| 02:29.13 | SpeedEvil | Maybe he's just better than us, and can parse PDF. |
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| 02:34.16 | timeless_xchat | is so happy noy having to worry about data fees |
| 02:34.37 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 02:36.06 | timeless_xchat | kicks n900 camera |
| 02:36.18 | timeless_xchat | "night mode" should mean *no* flash ... |
| 02:37.47 | timeless_xchat | snaps a couple of shots of the CN Tower for comparison w/ the n8 |
| 02:39.50 | timeless_xchat | ~seen andre__ |
| 02:39.58 | infobot | andre__ <~andre@Maemo/community/bugmaster/andre> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 11h 40m 19s ago, saying: 'argh. I knew it!!!'. |
| 02:40.42 | timeless_xchat | how's CSSU doing? |
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| 02:52.08 | jpinx | could anyone please give me the link to the PCSuite download for an XP I want to connect to my n900.. thanks, it is reall difficult to google in the n900 using deadslow gprs :( |
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| 02:54.02 | SpeedEvil | http://nds1.nokia.com/files/support/global/phones/software/Nokia_Ovi_Suite_webinstaller_ALL.exe I think |
| 02:54.17 | SpeedEvil | http://www.nokia.co.uk/support/product-support/pc-suites/compatibility-and-download#31 is the page in question |
| 02:54.29 | SpeedEvil | It's however 87M |
| 02:56.18 | jpinx | thamks SpeedEvil ... I will try to get it and hope the download auto resumes |
| 02:57.33 | SpeedEvil | No fixed net at all? |
| 02:57.34 | timeless_xchat | try wget? |
| 02:57.37 | SpeedEvil | Wifi? |
| 02:57.52 | SpeedEvil | Also - I suspect hte webinstaller may want to download more. |
| 02:57.52 | timeless_xchat | the browser is unlikely to resume |
| 02:57.58 | jpinx | 89711KBs :( here goes |
| 02:58.50 | timeless_xchat | it wasn't something we tested thoroughly |
| 02:59.07 | jpinx | SpeedEvil: no wifi here ( remote in thailand mountains) |
| 02:59.12 | SpeedEvil | jpinx: Ah. |
| 02:59.22 | SpeedEvil | jpinx: What are you wanting to do with the pc-suite? |
| 02:59.45 | SpeedEvil | I don't know if windows will recognise the n900 as a mass storage device if you just plug it in. |
| 03:00.13 | krayon | SpeedEvil: It does if you select mass storage mode but I think it only gives you access to /home/user/MyDocs then |
| 03:00.29 | jpinx | I need the n900 to let me use the laptop keyboard and screen |
| 03:00.44 | SpeedEvil | I don't think pc-suite does that does it? |
| 03:00.47 | timeless_xchat | it should... |
| 03:00.47 | timeless_xchat | there's probably a modem driver download which would be tiny... |
| 03:00.48 | SpeedEvil | Or do you mean for tethering? |
| 03:01.26 | timeless_xchat | hates the term "tethering" |
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| 03:01.40 | jpinx | I already can access the filesystem by mass storage device, but I need to havea browser in them XPlaptop online |
| 03:01.50 | timeless_xchat | different groups use it to mean different things |
| 03:02.10 | timeless_xchat | so... you don't need pcsuite for that |
| 03:02.26 | timeless_xchat | one approach is to install BT DUN on your n900 |
| 03:02.36 | timeless_xchat | much much tinier |
| 03:02.39 | jpinx | I suppose I want the n900 as a modem |
| 03:03.13 | jpinx | timeless_xchat: what is that? |
| 03:03.20 | timeless_xchat | there should be a download on nokia.com for a usb modem driver |
| 03:03.35 | timeless_xchat | does your PC have bluetooth? |
| 03:04.34 | jpinx | can you link me to that download please? |
| 03:05.11 | jpinx | I use the nokia usb cable... not bluetooth |
| 03:05.38 | timeless_xchat | is walking around w/ just an n900 |
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| 03:09.55 | timeless_xchat | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_USB_networking is one approach that might work... |
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| 03:12.17 | jpinx | stopped download PCSuite..... |
| 03:12.47 | timeless_xchat | cool, that page explains why my mac was constantly growing usb ethernet interfaces each time it met my n900 |
| 03:12.57 | hiemanshu | if only everyone used linux, you would have it working OOB :D |
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| 03:13.46 | timeless_xchat | um |
| 03:13.56 | timeless_xchat | nothing works OOB w/ Linux :) |
| 03:14.05 | jpinx | timeless_xchat: that page does not fix my problem |
| 03:14.09 | timeless_xchat | take my exopc for instance |
| 03:14.24 | timeless_xchat | it doesn't support usb sticks OOB |
| 03:14.41 | timeless_xchat | (usb keyboard required and not included) |
| 03:15.19 | jpinx | timeless_xchat: do you have a link for me for that bto** whatever it was ? |
| 03:16.22 | jpinx | BT DUn ? |
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| 03:18.11 | jpinx | I don't see it in the applications list |
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| 03:21.08 | jpinx | anyone able to help here please? or am I in the wrong timezone ;) |
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| 03:23.23 | timeless_xchat | it's in extras-devel at least |
| 03:23.30 | jpinx | I have an XP laptop, a n900 with nokia usb cable and a gprs connection. Iwant theN900 to act as a modem for the XPlaptop |
| 03:24.49 | SpeedEvil | At least on linux - you can do this by just selecting 'pc suite' mode - and then setting the n900 up as a modem. |
| 03:24.57 | krayon | jpinx: You could probably create a SOCKS proxy on the N900 using ssh but that's probably not the ideal solution. |
| 03:25.01 | SpeedEvil | I don't know how you'd tell XP to do this though. |
| 03:25.54 | jpinx | krayon: is that workable with XP? |
| 03:26.43 | jpinx | SpeedEvil: which takes me back to downloading 87Mbs of PCsuite over grps :( |
| 03:27.19 | SpeedEvil | There has to be a way to get just an '.inf' file (are they still called this? |
| 03:27.32 | SpeedEvil | It's a 'standard' 3g modem |
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| 03:27.44 | krayon | jpinx: I dunno, I don't do Windows, but I think PuTTY can do that. |
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| 03:32.13 | DocScrutinizer | jpinx: I'm no winman, but for all I know you have to: #)connect N900 to XP #) select pc-suite mode #) on XP create new device GPRS-modem |
| 03:32.21 | DocScrutinizer | should work OOTB |
| 03:33.31 | DocScrutinizer | jpinx: N900 should act exactly like arbitrary other USB-GPRS-modem dongles |
| 03:34.09 | DocScrutinizer | (the thing with "number: *99#" etc...) |
| 03:35.33 | GAN900 | Finally getting out of California. |
| 03:36.17 | DocScrutinizer | all just hearsay, but seems close enough to what you'd expect it to work like |
| 03:36.37 | DocScrutinizer | GAN900: what's wrong with california? |
| 03:37.15 | GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, it's cold, expensive, full of collectivists, and I want to be home. |
| 03:37.27 | GAN900 | Been here since Saturday before last. |
| 03:37.39 | DocScrutinizer | cold?? :-o |
| 03:38.32 | jpinx | tries DocScrutinizer solution |
| 03:39.30 | DocScrutinizer | seems we finally managed to messed up climate fubar. Nice to see it hits where the cause been. </sarcasm> |
| 03:40.54 | DocScrutinizer | jpinx: this seems to work so naturally most of the time, you hardly find any howto about it |
| 03:41.40 | GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, it was 34C when I took off for CA. |
| 03:42.10 | GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, all that scientific evidence is pretty overwhelming, eh? |
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| 03:42.19 | GAN900 | Funny when science becomes religion. |
| 03:42.51 | DocScrutinizer | even more funny when dogmatism and religion replaces science |
| 03:43.19 | DocScrutinizer | not to forget the massive industrial and political interests |
| 03:44.46 | DocScrutinizer | heard you first time got >100 tornadoes concurrently this year, over there. Isn't this a reason to reconsider? |
| 03:45.47 | GAN900 | Yes, the irony in your first statement is golden. |
| 03:45.50 | DocScrutinizer | maybe it's been slightly different numbers, I just didn't follow anymore, as "meh USA" |
| 03:46.24 | GAN900 | The environmental interests have so politicized the issue nobody on either side can see it rationally anymore. |
| 03:46.39 | DocScrutinizer | indeed |
| 03:46.43 | GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, funny, I feel the same about the EU. *g* |
| 03:46.54 | DocScrutinizer | too |
| 03:47.26 | GAN900 | Politicized science is politicized science, whether it agrees with your particular world view or not. |
| 03:47.52 | DocScrutinizer | in fact it stops to be science |
| 03:48.27 | GAN900 | Bingo |
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| 03:49.41 | DocScrutinizer | but honestly, a country where 50(?)% believe the world is 6800 years old, and Norwegian fjords aren't made by Slatibartfas but by a man with a similar long white beard.... :-x |
| 03:50.13 | GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, polls like that are pretty meaningless |
| 03:50.33 | GAN900 | and don't try to claim there aren't plenty of idiots anywhere you go |
| 03:50.45 | GAN900 | or that the US is the worst of the bunch |
| 03:51.25 | DocScrutinizer | at least they explain how wino clowns that believe they hear God's voice each morning on the phone can get US-president |
| 03:51.25 | GAN900 | I submit the EU and its collective penchance for collectivism as a fine example. |
| 03:51.53 | GAN900 | Ah, yes, political charicatures. |
| 03:52.27 | GAN900 | I can tell it's time for the nausea meds again. :( |
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| 03:52.36 | GAN900 | goes to buy a bottle of water. |
| 03:56.02 | DocScrutinizer | waits for OVI upload (aka 'share') finally blows chunks and aborts with "unknown error" @ 230 of 244MB |
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| 04:02.19 | DocScrutinizer | ~dict penchance |
| 04:02.38 | DocScrutinizer | ~spell penchance |
| 04:03.24 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, penchant seems to fit |
| 04:03.32 | GAN900 | Yes. |
| 04:03.40 | jpinx | DocScrutinizer: my XP does not see any device when I connect in PCsuite mode |
| 04:03.43 | GAN900 | infobot fail. |
| 04:03.43 | infobot | FAIL. |
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| 04:05.59 | DocScrutinizer | jpinx: that's a bit strange but not a real obstacle I guess. Last time I touched a redmond borne OS, it had that hw wizard that allowed to create new devices by selecting from a list. Maybe that helps. There are laso some .inf or dunno "config" files that help in autodetecting new devices and the right drivers for them |
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| 04:07.16 | DocScrutinizer | jpinx: try creating a new modem, type USB subtype GPRS |
| 04:07.44 | DocScrutinizer | but honestly you might get generic advice from a true windows user rather than me |
| 04:08.59 | SpeedEvil | penchance is the likelyhood of the stylus being in the hole. |
| 04:09.13 | DocScrutinizer | hehehehe |
| 04:10.08 | DocScrutinizer | also <i>vulg.</i> ;-) |
| 04:12.14 | DocScrutinizer | is there any way to get a proper percentage or absolute MB value from that "sharing" system applet dialog? |
| 04:12.47 | jpinx | DocScrutinizer: XP sees the n900 but wants the software to add it |
| 04:13.01 | DocScrutinizer | or can sb tell me how long that (blue) bar will grow until reaching 100%? |
| 04:13.35 | DocScrutinizer | jpinx: tell XP it's a usual USB modem |
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| 04:15.59 | DocScrutinizer | starts to swear as in 15min his DSL will disconnect and upload of those 244MB to OVI will inevitably stall and fail then :-S |
| 04:16.16 | DocScrutinizer | I don't expect it to finish until then |
| 04:18.54 | DocScrutinizer | isn't it incredible there's still no video editing app on N900, to split/trim/join .mp4 recorded by the camera? |
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| 04:28.17 | jpinx | DocScrutinizer: thanks, but it appears that my XP will not do that |
| 04:29.26 | jpinx | has XP home pre-installed ... and in spanish :) |
| 04:30.45 | wblaze | jpinx: good god why |
| 04:31.09 | jpinx | why what? |
| 04:31.25 | wblaze | xp home |
| 04:31.57 | jpinx | that is what it came with ... cheap eeepc |
| 04:32.47 | wblaze | ah |
| 04:33.01 | jpinx | the objective is to install debian on it, but that is going to be a painful network install over gprs |
| 04:33.18 | wblaze | it'll run win7 quite nicely too |
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| 04:34.25 | jpinx | maybe but I am developing a bad rash from trying to get XP to work ;) |
| 04:34.51 | jpinx | allergy to MS :) |
| 04:34.58 | wblaze | haha |
| 04:36.03 | jpinx | wblaze: so any suggestions ow to sort it will be greatly appreciated. but the n900 on gprs is my only connection to the internet from here |
| 04:36.08 | DocScrutinizer | \o/ the 244MB upload didn't abort, it simply started at 0% again after reconnect of my DSL - WAAAAAHAHA |
| 04:36.56 | DocScrutinizer | this OVI sharing service on maemo is really smart and great *cough* |
| 04:37.09 | jpinx | DocScrutinizer: be glad it wasn't over gprs :P |
| 04:37.50 | DocScrutinizer | actually my 3G is way faster than the DSL upstream |
| 04:37.57 | wblaze | jpinx: no clue, and unfortunately no xp machines left here - I am curious now too |
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| 04:38.35 | jpinx | DocScrutinizer: 2G here :( |
| 04:38.50 | wblaze | jpinx: but, didn't that eeepc come with wifi? |
| 04:39.26 | wblaze | tether that way? |
| 04:39.29 | jpinx | wblaze: no wifi siganl for 100 kms of me :) |
| 04:39.39 | wblaze | no |
| 04:39.56 | wblaze | connect to the phone with wifi |
| 04:40.35 | DocScrutinizer | sighs |
| 04:40.58 | jpinx | wblaze: please elaborate |
| 04:41.24 | wblaze | sec, looking for link capable of explaining properly |
| 04:41.35 | jpinx | k |
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| 04:44.18 | wblaze | jpinx: http://mobilehotspot.garage.maemo.org |
| 04:44.58 | jpinx | thanks :) looking.... |
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| 04:46.24 | jpinx | ouch... that looks drastic |
| 04:46.50 | jpinx | No way can I risk crashing the n900 |
| 04:47.09 | wblaze | it does, more than I expected... only saw the description previously |
| 04:47.24 | wblaze | turns the n900 into a wireless ap |
| 04:48.31 | jpinx | is there not a way to do the smame more simply overthe usb cable connnection? |
| 04:50.18 | DocScrutinizer | jpinx: http://www.infdump.com/download-inf-files_new.php/inffiles/W/wpdmtp.inf/5.2.0.0/download.html try this |
| 04:51.22 | wblaze | joiku.com seems to have a (inexpensive, not free) easier solution for wifi |
| 04:51.46 | DocScrutinizer | mmpf seems there's a download error on that link, sorry |
| 04:51.48 | jpinx | DocScrutinizer: what is that? |
| 04:52.29 | DocScrutinizer | supposed to be the mentioned .inf file to make XP recognise the N900 as a usual USB-modem |
| 04:53.02 | jpinx | ah ok ... but download fails :( |
| 04:54.29 | jpinx | or is it that textfile thatcomes up in the browser? |
| 04:57.17 | jpinx | saved it |
| 05:02.23 | DocScrutinizer | jpinx: alternative method: http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_USB_networking#Starting_USB_network_mode_with_Windows >>(actually MADDE for Windows is not required, but just files maemo_usbnet.inf and maemo_usbnet.cat for installation network device Linux USB Ethernet/RNDIS Gadget). |
| 05:08.18 | jpinx | are those files available seperately? |
| 05:17.28 | DocScrutinizer | jpinx: what's your system? XP SP2? |
| 05:18.29 | DocScrutinizer | wblaze: hotspot eating battery like mad |
| 05:19.23 | wblaze | DocScrutinizer: if you use hotspot, odds are you're near enough to a power source |
| 05:20.31 | wblaze | and usually takes fewer driver installs to use |
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| 08:37.09 | jpinx | DocScrutinizer: I gave u and got the PCsuite donloaded and working mow ... thanks for the help |
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| 08:54.06 | DocScrutinizer | jpinx: good. Nice it works for you now :-) |
| 08:54.56 | jpinx | thanks a lot for the poingters,,, we live anmd learn ;) |
| 08:56.20 | jpinx | currently installing new antivirus on the XPlaptop ready to start getting debian downloading, all thanks to gprs2.5 on the N900 |
| 08:57.28 | jpinx | only question is what will happen when I get a phonecall during the download :/ |
| 08:58.29 | ThreeM | call yourself and test it ;) |
| 08:59.09 | jpinx | heh |
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| 09:00.41 | moomin | yo |
| 09:00.50 | moomin | is there a flashlight program that doesnt blow? |
| 09:01.30 | moomin | flashlight-extra just causes an extra 200 wakeups per second |
| 09:02.09 | moomin | is there some dbus command or or somthing i can use instead? |
| 09:06.45 | Arkenoi | tries to figure out WHAT causes my n900 to be several times slower than it was. RAM and swap usage is quite low, as well as cpu, but every user action causes it to lag and load indicator to raise for serveral seconds. Top io is claimed by "innocent" programs like hildon-status-menu, telepathy-gabble and rtcomm-call-ui, |
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| 09:24.19 | RST38h | Texas Instruments announces multi-core, 1.8GHz OMAP4470 ARM processor for Windows 8 |
| 09:24.26 | RST38h | Good moorning all |
| 09:24.39 | DocScrutinizer | \o/ |
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| 09:26.50 | RST38h | Meanwhile: A Russian computer programmer who believed that spending the night buried alive would bring him good luck didn't survive the subterranean ritual. |
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| 09:30.00 | RST38h | And, finally: http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/02/the-oh-sh_t-moment-that-nokia-decided-to-abandon-meego/ |
| 09:32.07 | Termana | RST38h, that is just a bunch of bullshit sprayed out of the CDOs mouth, frankly. |
| 09:32.58 | divan | How does reverse ssh connection works in smscon? Did anyone use it? |
| 09:33.32 | Termana | "We are only going to release three MeeGo phones by the end of 2014" "oh shit... I know the solution, let's change to Windows Phone 7!" |
| 09:34.32 | robbiethe1st | Yea... |
| 09:34.38 | RST38h | Termana: Who knows |
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| 09:34.53 | robbiethe1st | Oh well, hopefully Intel'll come out with a decent offering before I have to give up my n900 |
| 09:35.15 | robbiethe1st | and heck, with an intel proc I'd be able to run nice fast Wine and old Windows games! |
| 09:35.26 | RST38h | Termana: It is also quite possible that he has been purposedly making it look worse than it was |
| 09:36.02 | RST38h | He did say a clear "no" about Nokia's buyout by MS |
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| 09:57.18 | DocScrutinizer | errr, M$ earning $$$$$ from *android* (I heard [citation needed]) - so who's foolish enough to think one of Elop's premises been to make sure Nokia doesn't grow up to compete? |
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| 10:06.11 | lardman | morning |
| 10:07.41 | lardman | I just read something about Elop saying he wouldn't confirm a tablet is being developed.... |
| 10:07.45 | lardman | or was I dreaming? |
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| 10:08.09 | GAN900 | Woo, ATL. |
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| 10:09.19 | Venemo | morning |
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| 10:14.30 | lardman | http://www.nasa.gov/topics/aeronautics/features/big_picture_facet.html is quite interesting |
| 10:14.36 | lardman | totally OT mind you |
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| 10:24.24 | joga | divan, I've tried the reverse ssh in smscon, seemed to work fine |
| 10:29.09 | SpeedEvil | lardman: eat |
| 10:29.10 | SpeedEvil | n |
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| 10:32.45 | tito_ | \o/ |
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| 10:46.58 | divan | joga, yes, I've succeeded too. But it wasn't clear enough on which port it starts listening. It's 8080. |
| 10:47.19 | divan | should be in wiki, I guess. |
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| 10:53.22 | GAN900 | There's a Krystal burger across from my gate. Q_Q |
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| 10:55.10 | SpeedEvil | sighs. |
| 10:55.24 | DocScrutinizer | yawns |
| 10:55.37 | SpeedEvil | The number of phone calls I get can be guessed from this. |
| 10:55.58 | SpeedEvil | While wandering around websites on the computer - the n900 rang. |
| 10:56.33 | SpeedEvil | Right next to me. I started trying to work out which website was making the noise, and diddn't find it before the phone stopped. |
| 10:56.42 | DocScrutinizer | you wondered what's that strange sound? |
| 10:56.48 | SpeedEvil | I only dound out due to the missed call. |
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| 10:57.10 | SpeedEvil | yes - for some reason the sound I picked changed. |
| 10:57.22 | DocScrutinizer | hehe |
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| 11:00.15 | DocScrutinizer | ponders to use netstat to find out if that's still the upload to vimeo that makes the switch flash, or if that frigging upload stalled since hours and sth worse is going on |
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| 11:03.34 | BCMM | how do i flash the n900 when it wants to bootloop? |
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| 11:07.50 | DocScrutinizer | hold 'u' |
| 11:09.08 | BCMM | thanks |
| 11:09.18 | BCMM | finally found the bit of hte troubleshooting i've been missing |
| 11:09.47 | BCMM | i suppose my next question is how to make fcam work with power kernel WITHOUT causing a bootloop... |
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| 11:17.02 | mr_jrt | ...so yeah. Sorry all for the timeouts. My connction is rock solid, and it's only IRC with issues, so I suspect it's my router's NAT sessions timing out, thus the server pings not getting through to my client. I think. :S |
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| 11:21.17 | BCMM | mr_jrt: so are you going through some server somewhere? or do you have a domain name for your house? |
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| 11:36.24 | Chibi-Taiga | hey guys |
| 11:36.29 | Chibi-Taiga | question |
| 11:36.43 | Chibi-Taiga | how is this nitdroid? |
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| 11:37.19 | edheldil | Chibi-Taiga: see $title ;-) |
| 11:37.39 | Chibi-Taiga | uhm kay... |
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| 11:41.29 | lardman | Chibi-Taiga: rubbish |
| 11:41.38 | lardman | ;) |
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| 11:45.52 | DocScrutinizer | mustn't that read "stay clear"? |
| 11:47.18 | DocScrutinizer | maybe "keep (n900) clear" |
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| 11:49.26 | BCMM | another debian newbies question... i have used /etc/apt/preferences to give -testing priority over -devel. how can i override that for a single package? |
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| 11:50.44 | DocScrutinizer | =version ? |
| 11:50.47 | lardman | hmm, that Bloomberg article about Nokia seems very anti-Europe, is that standard fare from Bloomberg? |
| 11:50.58 | chibi-taiga | uhm |
| 11:51.02 | lardman | no doubt it makes some valid points, but still |
| 11:51.06 | chibi-taiga | about aircrack |
| 11:51.10 | lardman | http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/10_39/b4196007421255.htm |
| 11:51.12 | SpeedEvil | bloomberg? |
| 11:51.16 | SpeedEvil | oh |
| 11:51.24 | chibi-taiga | what pliugins do ineed |
| 11:51.51 | BCMM | DocScrutinizer: not sure i understand... |
| 11:51.51 | DocScrutinizer | reasonable the injection driver for WLAN? |
| 11:52.13 | BCMM | i was hoping there was a config file that could say "always get the latest version of FOO from whatever reop" |
| 11:52.14 | chibi-taiga | well im sing an n900 |
| 11:52.19 | chibi-taiga | using |
| 11:52.30 | chibi-taiga | and installed aircrack |
| 11:52.44 | DocScrutinizer | BCMM: if it's same version in -test and -dev then it doesn't matter - otherwise specify version |
| 11:52.44 | chibi-taiga | but what more do i need to run ir |
| 11:53.09 | DocScrutinizer | airodump I'd guess |
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| 11:53.38 | DocScrutinizer | comes with aircrack |
| 11:54.04 | DocScrutinizer | latest version allegedly has a flaw in packaging, or sth |
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| 12:00.59 | chibi-taiga | is it called like that in app manager? |
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| 12:13.07 | Venemo | I've just had my daily laugh on TMO: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1020869#post1020869 |
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| 12:27.20 | DocScrutinizer | lardman: Oct 2010?? |
| 12:27.32 | lardman | ? |
| 12:27.48 | DocScrutinizer | bloomberg article |
| 12:27.58 | lardman | hmm, perhaps it's the wrong one then |
| 12:28.11 | lardman | engadget was commenting on some recent (I thought) article |
| 12:28.28 | DocScrutinizer | maybe not ;-P |
| 12:29.27 | lardman | quite :) |
| 12:29.30 | DocScrutinizer | also I can't really find much anti-EU in it. I'm rather afraid it's quite to the point |
| 12:29.56 | lardman | ah well, perhaps it was just me then |
| 12:30.03 | lardman | I should have just taken the day off ;) |
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| 12:30.27 | cehteh | meeh .. when plugging a headphone in too slowly, the n900 thinks it has to activate video out |
| 12:30.38 | cehteh | which makes a terribly noise |
| 12:30.51 | DocScrutinizer | suggesting Nokia should move to CA is bold, but that's how big business happens |
| 12:31.26 | DocScrutinizer | lardman: duh, you got no day off today? |
| 12:31.48 | DocScrutinizer | the great jetpack day! |
| 12:31.50 | lardman | no, I'm in because someone was supposed to be picking something up, but I've heard nothing |
| 12:32.00 | DocScrutinizer | also booze day I heard ;-) |
| 12:32.10 | cehteh | haha |
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| 12:33.41 | lardman | hmm, I quite fancy a pint |
| 12:34.08 | jacekowski | http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=Cj6ho1-G6tw&vq=medium |
| 12:34.38 | billmania | DocScrutinizer: I'm joining the middle of the conversation thread. Who is suggesting Nokia should move to California (or Canada)? |
| 12:35.16 | cehteh | nokia is right on track to move to nirvana |
| 12:35.26 | DocScrutinizer | california, and bloomberg http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/10_39/b4196007421255.htm |
| 12:35.36 | billmania | DocScrutinizer: Thanks. |
| 12:35.52 | _trine | is there anyway to speed up application manager and its enormous waiting period the n900 has between each application you want to install |
| 12:36.14 | cehteh | _trine: disable extras and other repos you dont need |
| 12:36.29 | cehteh | or use fapman and ignore the people crying about it |
| 12:36.38 | _trine | ah is that the reason thanks |
| 12:36.56 | _trine | whats fapman |
| 12:37.04 | cehteh | faster application manager |
| 12:37.40 | _trine | is it an app |
| 12:37.50 | DocScrutinizer | incredible - I can't watch YT vids as my UPstream is @ 99% |
| 12:39.28 | DocScrutinizer | yes _trine , an app (manager) with potential to mess up your system |
| 12:39.42 | _trine | oh |
| 12:40.27 | GAN900 | Woo, TPA. |
| 12:40.30 | _trine | DocScrutinizer, I have just reflashed my n900 and am starting over again installing my apps |
| 12:41.07 | _trine | I thought it was probably the best way to proceed after last night |
| 12:41.28 | lardman | GAN900: you back home now? |
| 12:41.50 | GAN900 | Very nearly |
| 12:41.56 | DocScrutinizer | _trine: there's a trick I'd really like to implement eventually: backup app, when restoring, knows how to invoke HAM in a way you can tag multiple apps and install in one step |
| 12:42.27 | GAN900 | Just need to be driven across the bay. |
| 12:42.48 | DocScrutinizer | alas you'd need a "backup" file that has all the existing apps as "installed", so you could make use of this feature |
| 12:43.25 | _trine | DocScrutinizer, that would be a really nice feature |
| 12:44.11 | DocScrutinizer | anyway, for your previously installed apps backup works like a charm, compared to manually selecting and installing each one in HAM |
| 12:45.35 | lardman | GAN900: not the bay with the fog I take it? |
| 12:45.41 | _trine | when I have redone everything can you instruct me on how to do that? |
| 12:46.07 | DocScrutinizer | restoring a backup? that's pretty easy |
| 12:46.33 | _trine | and can you restore all the apps though |
| 12:46.52 | DocScrutinizer | and probably you should do it now, rather than later - given you cared to do a backup prior to wiping your device |
| 12:47.49 | _trine | DocScrutinizer, well would that not just back up this new install |
| 12:48.05 | _trine | at the moment nothing much is installed |
| 12:48.20 | _trine | I am just starting to redo it |
| 12:48.31 | DocScrutinizer | I'm suggesting a restore of a backup done prior to wiping |
| 12:48.57 | _trine | I do have anther N900 though which does have all the apps working on it |
| 12:49.23 | _trine | could I back that up and restore it to this other one |
| 12:49.25 | DocScrutinizer | so do a backup there, copy the backup file to this device, and restore it |
| 12:49.40 | DocScrutinizer | yes :-D |
| 12:49.42 | _trine | will it do all the apps |
| 12:49.45 | _trine | oh |
| 12:49.49 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 12:49.54 | _trine | wow |
| 12:50.04 | _trine | this will save me lots of time |
| 12:50.12 | DocScrutinizer | indeed |
| 12:50.19 | _trine | can you tell me how to do it |
| 12:50.33 | DocScrutinizer | given the avrg turnaround time of HAM is like 5min |
| 12:50.41 | _trine | it is |
| 12:50.45 | DocScrutinizer | easy |
| 12:51.02 | _trine | I have the working phone ready |
| 12:51.08 | _trine | in my hand |
| 12:51.13 | DocScrutinizer | start backup app, create a full backup - preferably to uSD |
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| 12:52.17 | DocScrutinizer | backup "all", you can deselect subgroups (like settings) during restore |
| 12:53.05 | _trine | I am trying to find the backup app |
| 12:53.18 | DocScrutinizer | then, when backup finished, move the uSD to "empty" phone |
| 12:53.36 | _trine | is backup on the phone or on the computer |
| 12:54.11 | DocScrutinizer | now the catch: first do a backup on new phone, so you got a copy of the virgin state |
| 12:54.17 | _trine | is it part of the nokia pc suite |
| 12:54.25 | _trine | or an app on the phone |
| 12:54.25 | DocScrutinizer | (on the phone, under apps) |
| 12:54.30 | _trine | ok |
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| 12:55.39 | DocScrutinizer | only after you created a backup of your new phone's empty state, you start restore (also in backup app) and select the backup from uSD&old-phone to restore from |
| 12:56.35 | DocScrutinizer | general rule: no restore without doing a backup of previous state immediately prior to it |
| 12:56.36 | frals | anyone watched the interview with elop from D9 posted over at nokconv? |
| 12:58.08 | _trine | DocScrutinizer, I have started the backup app but nothing lets me press anything |
| 12:58.20 | _trine | none of the buttons work |
| 12:58.34 | _trine | maybe I should reboot it |
| 12:59.05 | DocScrutinizer | hacker's hint regarding backup app: take care, you can't distinguish files from uSD from those from MyNokia, so make sure you choose proper unique names |
| 12:59.06 | _trine | ah |
| 12:59.17 | _trine | now I know what happened |
| 12:59.30 | _trine | I had it plugged into the usb connector |
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| 13:00.33 | DocScrutinizer | hacker's hint regarding installing / restoring: NEVER do that while device is in mass storage mode |
| 13:00.56 | _trine | the good phone is now backing up |
| 13:01.30 | _trine | it has backed up now |
| 13:01.38 | _trine | which was very quick |
| 13:01.48 | DocScrutinizer | _trine: btw that *might* explain what happened to your 'bad' phone, if you installed apps while device been in mass storage mode |
| 13:02.01 | _trine | could be |
| 13:02.13 | _trine | probab;y was |
| 13:02.29 | _trine | the backup seems quite small |
| 13:02.34 | _trine | 2.4 meg |
| 13:02.55 | _trine | does that sound correct |
| 13:03.02 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, it has none of the binaries, just a list which ones to download and install |
| 13:03.30 | _trine | now I have this what do i do to transfer this to my other phone |
| 13:03.31 | DocScrutinizer | so 2.4M sounds correct |
| 13:04.11 | DocScrutinizer | if you selected "storage: card" then just take the card and plug it to the bad phone |
| 13:05.05 | _trine | I didnt but I will do that now |
| 13:05.07 | DocScrutinizer | you should doublecheck you've not written the backup to "phone" (= MyNokia) |
| 13:05.16 | DocScrutinizer | yep :-) |
| 13:05.32 | DocScrutinizer | err MyDocs |
| 13:05.41 | DocScrutinizer | time for 12648430 ☕ |
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| 13:12.06 | korhojoa | hay guys |
| 13:12.20 | korhojoa | anyone know how to get the n900 to uh. 'rescan' upnp servers? |
| 13:12.28 | DocScrutinizer | grass korhojoa |
| 13:13.08 | DocScrutinizer | never knew it did |
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| 13:13.24 | korhojoa | grass? |
| 13:13.31 | DocScrutinizer | well, heard about it, but seems I got none here |
| 13:13.40 | DocScrutinizer | grass is fresh hay |
| 13:14.04 | korhojoa | well. my interpretation pales in comparison |
| 13:14.26 | _trine | doc why would I have a picture of the memory card next to the signal strength indicator at the top of my screen which has a red line through it |
| 13:14.41 | korhojoa | it's not the memory card, it's the SIM card |
| 13:14.51 | DocScrutinizer | yo |
| 13:15.14 | DocScrutinizer | afaik SIM |
| 13:15.15 | _trine | ah that explains that then |
| 13:16.40 | BCMM | _trine: that means there is no SIM card |
| 13:17.05 | DocScrutinizer | :-) |
| 13:17.11 | BCMM | by the way, does the n900 make emergency calls without a SIM? |
| 13:17.20 | DocScrutinizer | should |
| 13:17.28 | DocScrutinizer | it has a FCC cert |
| 13:18.02 | DocScrutinizer | should even skip device lock code query to do 911 calls, aiui |
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| 13:18.17 | DocScrutinizer | never checked if it's compliant to this rule |
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| 13:19.26 | _trine | If I dont reinstall the setting what will that mean |
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| 13:20.13 | _trine | what are the settings it refers to |
| 13:20.15 | DocScrutinizer | err, some of the customizations will stay at original state, like *maybe* mail accounts, wallpapers, dunno what exactly |
| 13:20.25 | _trine | ok |
| 13:21.12 | DocScrutinizer | you can restore those on a second pass, and also can revert them to the state saved to your "virgin-backup" I suggested ;-) |
| 13:21.39 | lardman | heads off for a midwife's appointment |
| 13:21.42 | lardman | catch you all later |
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| 13:32.14 | divan0 | can't get smscon to work.. The phone receives sms-messages with commands and nothing happens, while smscon seems to be running and configured... |
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| 13:33.12 | DocScrutinizer | _trine: working? |
| 13:33.16 | divan0 | BTW, I thought the commands sms will be intercepted by smscon and attacker will not see it.. |
| 13:33.26 | divan0 | s/attacker/thief/ |
| 13:35.56 | _trine | DocScrutinizer, yes its reinstalling now :) |
| 13:36.12 | _trine | it will take a while I think |
| 13:36.23 | DocScrutinizer | the select table with all apps is nice, isn't it? |
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| 13:37.20 | _trine | I only saw 4 different options applications settings and 2 others |
| 13:37.39 | _trine | were there submenus to those? |
| 13:38.29 | DocScrutinizer | at some point you can deselect particular apps in your backup to exclude them from restoring |
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| 13:40.45 | _trine | ah yes it did say right at the beginning after I started th backup |
| 13:41.02 | _trine | at that point there was a list |
| 13:42.34 | _trine | it is very nice to be able to do this. I had previously used this app to backup but because of the size of the backup I presumed wrongly that it was only for settings etc |
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| 13:46.17 | DocScrutinizer | (restore apps) http://share.ovi.com/media/joerg900.screenshots/joerg900.10094 alas only *# there, could be more |
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| 13:50.15 | DocScrutinizer | HATES it when that happens, touchpad setting focus elsewhere, so instead of writing, konversations accepts shortcut to quit |
| 13:51.02 | DocScrutinizer | of course all private queries closed :-/ |
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| 14:20.46 | rd | Has anybody tried to do an jabber/xmpp call between a n900 and android? |
| 14:21.42 | rd | My sister has an android Nexus S....but I cannot see the voice or video option for jabber in the n900, when opening here contact. |
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| 14:46.08 | Macer | does anybody here use some stereo bt headphones with the n900? |
| 14:46.16 | Macer | i've never used them before and was wondering if they even worked :) |
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| 14:46.45 | Macer | does it even support a2dp? |
| 14:47.59 | Appiah | it should |
| 14:48.46 | Macer | ok. just checking |
| 14:49.15 | Macer | i want to use my n900 to go running with but i learned today that the wire is not cool heh |
| 14:49.26 | Macer | plus i need something that clips onto my ears a little better |
| 14:49.48 | SpeedEvil | Macer: If you find some nice ones, tell me. |
| 14:50.05 | Macer | SpeedEvil: believe it or not a while back i had some nice ones (when they worked) |
| 14:50.08 | Macer | some no name brand |
| 14:50.09 | SpeedEvil | I found that the right sized earpieces worked well. |
| 14:50.19 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: ping |
| 14:50.22 | Macer | but they just stopped working on me all of a sudden |
| 14:50.23 | rcg | Macer: i used my n900 with nokia bh-504 |
| 14:51.12 | Macer | rcg: heh. those look awesome but they look horrible for running ;) |
| 14:51.24 | Appiah | searching on maemo talk |
| 14:51.30 | Appiah | looks like alot of people using it |
| 14:51.50 | rcg | Macer: heh, yeah.. for running those are _probably_ not that good ;) |
| 14:52.05 | Macer | rcg: i can see my sweat filling up the padded earmuffs hahaha |
| 14:52.07 | SpeedEvil | I'd actually like the existing headphones for running. |
| 14:52.08 | Macer | that's gross ;) |
| 14:52.19 | SpeedEvil | Terminating in a little medallion shaped thing. |
| 14:52.23 | rcg | lol |
| 14:52.39 | Macer | i swear tho. i went to best buy one day and found the biggest no name ones you could buy |
| 14:52.42 | Macer | for $40 |
| 14:53.00 | Macer | and they were absolutely awesome.. super amplified.. then i dropped them a few times and other stuff and they stopped working :( |
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| 14:54.43 | Macer | http://www.amazon.com/Motorola-S10-HD-Bluetooth-Headphones-Packaging/dp/B004BHCSQC/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1307026448&sr=8-2 |
| 14:54.50 | Macer | wow those look seriously uncomfortable haha |
| 14:55.21 | SpeedEvil | That's not really great reviews from some. |
| 14:57.02 | SpeedEvil | http://www.amazon.co.uk/Tefal-ActiFry-Low-Electric-Fryer/product-reviews/B000T76UOE/ref=sr_1_1_cm_cr_acr_txt?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1 - was some of the most mixed reviews I found for an appliance. |
| 14:57.16 | SpeedEvil | 'great - until it catches fire' was the general theme. |
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| 15:09.45 | Jaffa | MohammadAG: "offline_access"? What would it do? |
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| 15:14.41 | BCMM | what's that app that lets you configure which status area applets are shown? |
| 15:14.56 | BCMM | (without actually uninstalling them) |
| 15:15.49 | alterego | vim? |
| 15:16.00 | alterego | Sorry, vi? |
| 15:16.02 | alterego | :) |
| 15:16.59 | BCMM | no, vim is the correct answer |
| 15:17.04 | BCMM | but i recall their being a GUI for it |
| 15:17.19 | BCMM | see, FM Carkit is useful, on occasion, but annoying when i don't want it |
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| 15:21.29 | DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: pong |
| 15:21.33 | alterego | Hrm, this is where context awareness comes in : |
| 15:23.51 | DocScrutinizer | Macer: Sony HBH-DS220 BT stereo hs, works just fine |
| 15:24.18 | jpinx-not-here | DocScrutinizer: fwiw PCSuite seriously messes with some of the simple basic functions like file transfer |
| 15:24.27 | DocScrutinizer | very occasionally a short dropout, might be interference as well |
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| 15:26.05 | DocScrutinizer | BCMM: never seen "an app for that" |
| 15:27.08 | DocScrutinizer | N900 going batshit psycho: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/spontaneousArt_madBatShit_20110602_001.mp4 |
| 15:27.44 | DocScrutinizer | (comes with cool blairwitch proj style camra ;-P) |
| 15:28.19 | DocScrutinizer | no overdubs, all live |
| 15:30.22 | vldcnst | weird stuff |
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| 15:39.44 | DocScrutinizer | meh, and now a nice little DSL outage |
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| 15:45.48 | Strahlex | hi |
| 15:46.05 | Strahlex | can someone please help me |
| 15:47.12 | Strahlex | ??? |
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| 15:52.39 | _trine | DocScrutinizer, I have been trying to find PyQt but there only seems to be a version for PR 1.2 |
| 15:53.01 | _trine | I need one for PR 1.3 |
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| 15:56.25 | DocScrutinizer | _trine: there are devels way more familiar with that topic than me, sorry |
| 15:56.33 | DocScrutinizer | short: dunno |
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| 15:57.43 | DocScrutinizer | did somebody help Strahlex by kicking him? X-P |
| 15:57.47 | _trine | I found it just after I asked as sods law would predict |
| 15:57.52 | _trine | apt-get install python2.5-qt4-gui |
| 15:57.54 | _trine | sorry |
| 15:57.59 | DocScrutinizer | np |
| 15:58.24 | DocScrutinizer | can somebody help me with (OT): |
| 15:58.33 | DocScrutinizer | Jun 2 04:35:07 lagrange sshd[11460]: subsystem request for sftp |
| 15:58.34 | DocScrutinizer | Jun 2 04:38:54 lagrange sshd[11460]: channel 0: rcvd big packet 32797, maxpack 32768 |
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| 15:59.32 | DocScrutinizer | ( did an sftp transfer [upload] at that time, obviously) |
| 16:00.19 | DocScrutinizer | MTU in ifconfig, or what? |
| 16:00.46 | DocScrutinizer | meh, MTU is 1500 |
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| 16:11.57 | ShadowJK | it's unrelated to mtu for sure |
| 16:13.26 | DocScrutinizer | thought as much |
| 16:14.37 | DocScrutinizer | MTU however is for packet sniplets, not for recombined split packets, no? |
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| 16:15.52 | DocScrutinizer | (had this line like "...is repeated 87656 times") |
| 16:15.53 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 16:16.15 | DocScrutinizer | spamming my log |
| 16:16.26 | SpeedEvil | Odd. |
| 16:16.36 | SpeedEvil | Is there an extant ssh connection? |
| 16:16.41 | _trine | Thanks DocScrutinizer for the tip about backing up it works very well |
| 16:16.52 | DocScrutinizer | _trine: yw |
| 16:17.11 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: extant? |
| 16:17.19 | DocScrutinizer | existant? |
| 16:17.41 | SpeedEvil | a currently existing connection at the time of the error. |
| 16:18.04 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: I upped that badshit-crazy video (244MB) to my server |
| 16:18.17 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 16:18.18 | DocScrutinizer | via sftp |
| 16:18.43 | SpeedEvil | I'd question if those are tcp packets |
| 16:18.56 | DocScrutinizer | NB there were almost 4min flawless transfer |
| 16:19.21 | SpeedEvil | As an aside - IPV6 supports packets up to 4 gig. |
| 16:19.34 | DocScrutinizer | what's IPv4 limit? |
| 16:19.55 | SpeedEvil | It depends. |
| 16:20.02 | SpeedEvil | ~65536 bytes |
| 16:20.10 | SpeedEvil | I can't remember if it's +-40 or so |
| 16:20.23 | DocScrutinizer | this diff of 29 bytes looks suspicious |
| 16:20.29 | SpeedEvil | I'm not aware of any limit |
| 16:20.43 | SpeedEvil | 1500 of course ethernet limits are common |
| 16:20.58 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, not applicable here |
| 16:21.46 | DocScrutinizer | sshd incompatibilities? |
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| 16:22.05 | ShadowJK | I'd suspect sshd |
| 16:22.07 | SpeedEvil | I've no idea. |
| 16:22.11 | DocScrutinizer | buffersize +/- TCP header or sth? |
| 16:22.25 | SpeedEvil | In practice - it seems vanisningly unlikely you're seeing packets that large on your link. |
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| 16:22.47 | SpeedEvil | Though I'd start up tcpdump, and try again, if you seem to have found a trigger activity. |
| 16:22.58 | DocScrutinizer | recombined backets for sftp though... |
| 16:23.00 | ShadowJK | because a program usually can't figure out the mtu size through normal APIs, so to actually make/break on mtu would be quite spectacular |
| 16:23.12 | DocScrutinizer | wireshark is it, I guess, then |
| 16:23.17 | ShadowJK | and you couldn't push 32k mtu over internet in any case |
| 16:23.26 | SpeedEvil | I'd question it's packets - say - not link-level packets |
| 16:23.33 | SpeedEvil | that is - inside the sshd protocol. |
| 16:23.41 | SpeedEvil | As a silly comment - you have googled the error? |
| 16:23.53 | ShadowJK | Yeah it's most likely sshd packets :P |
| 16:24.03 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: MTU is 1500 anyway |
| 16:24.07 | DocScrutinizer | at both ends |
| 16:24.18 | DocScrutinizer | here even a few less |
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| 16:24.42 | DocScrutinizer | (here is remote end from server log's PoV) |
| 16:25.09 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: thanks |
| 16:25.15 | DocScrutinizer | <--- noob |
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| 16:34.51 | DocScrutinizer | http://www.sshtools.info/re-sshd-rcvd-big-packet to whom it may concern |
| 16:35.24 | DocScrutinizer | indeed a bug known since Linus seen first teletype |
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| 16:37.32 | stef_204 | hi, noob here. my device is giving me "cannot install" applications, not enough space left. My partitions: RootFS: 60 MBs free; home: 86 MB's free and MyDocs: 26 GB's free |
| 16:38.32 | stef_204 | It makes no sense for me to have 26 GB's on the MyDocs when I really don't need that much. On the other hand, woiuld be nice to be able to use some of the 26 GB's free space for aps. Any way to do that safely? |
| 16:39.17 | DocScrutinizer | ... https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=241093 >>Bug 241093 - Uploading big files with SFTP KIO slave yields error/warning in server-side sshd log<< |
| 16:39.19 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/241093 was not found. |
| 16:39.20 | povbot | Bug 241093: was not found. |
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| 16:40.57 | DocScrutinizer | stef_204: see... |
| 16:41.02 | DocScrutinizer | ~optification |
| 16:41.02 | infobot | optification is probably a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the systeminit *and* partitioning is FUBAR, http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs, or ""OMG - I wish somebody had looked into FHS and moved /usr to eMMC"", http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE2 bullet1,2 and fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE16 dot3 |
| 16:41.24 | stef_204 | DocScrutinizer: ok, thanks |
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| 16:44.11 | stef_204 | 2nd link is a regular Linux/Unix filesystem page. 1st link is unfortunately empty, nothing on page |
| 16:44.17 | DocScrutinizer | stef_204: 2GB should be more than enough, unless your /home/user/* got filled with stuff, or a poorly packaged app decided to load huge amounts of *data* to /opt (aka /home/(.*\/)*/opt |
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| 16:44.33 | DocScrutinizer | wut? |
| 16:44.55 | stef_204 | let me recheck my /opt |
| 16:46.36 | stef_204 | sorry, my irc client had included the comma at the end of the link so page reference was wrong |
| 16:46.46 | stef_204 | just noticed that and removed the comma. I'm on page now |
| 16:47.20 | DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs WFM |
| 16:47.58 | DocScrutinizer | aah |
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| 16:52.13 | DocScrutinizer | stef_204: first half of infobot 's factoid is about "what is" optification, all after ", or" is what things *should* be instead |
| 16:52.39 | stef_204 | ok |
| 16:57.06 | divan0 | http://skype-open-source.blogspot.com/2011/06/skype-protocol-reverse-engineered.html - maybe someone is interested |
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| 17:42.36 | arvut | hello all, is there a way to list (and/or uninstall) all pakages that has been downloaded from extra-devel? Accidently installed a certain devel package when I was less experienced in the world of linux =) |
| 17:45.05 | arvut | found a thread about x.org eating all cpu, logging too much and hildon randomly freezes in the maemo5 forum, which pointed me to think that it was advanced-power that messed up the x.org (I can't tell cause I haven't got it installed, even though the name rings a bell) |
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| 17:59.50 | divan0 | arvut, on debian/ubuntu there is a tool called apt-show-versions, but seems it's not ported to Maemo yet.. |
| 18:01.04 | BCMM | is there any way to access SMSs stored on the SIM card? (by an older phone) |
| 18:01.12 | BCMM | (on an n900) |
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| 18:06.06 | DocScrutinizer | divan0: sounds interestinf, though the skype protocol got dissected years ago, on a blackhat conf. Still got the slides somewhere. The problem is you can't join the original skype network with a RE'd client, as there are cryptokeys all over, and central servers to authenticate clients |
| 18:06.46 | SpeedEvil | Not fully dissected |
| 18:09.58 | BCMM | arvut: aptitude can do that; don't know if there are any caveats to using aptitude on an n900 |
| 18:10.01 | arvut | DocScrutinizer: that sound highly interestinf too 0.O could you perhaps name these slides or upload them somewhere? |
| 18:11.27 | arvut | aptitude has never worked on my phone, get sigsev when I try it. installed it more than once |
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| 18:18.44 | arvut | just reinstalled this advanced-power app, as its not in devel anymor. however, x.org is still llgging like crazy and eating 13-70% cpu.. *wonders if a reflash is the next move* someone did mention learning to debug, which could be worth a try :) |
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| 18:19.53 | arvut | hildon-desktop has gone insane too :P |
| 18:20.45 | arvut | 13% cpu, and all the widgets are now gone |
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| 18:21.29 | arvut | gonna reboot and see if that restores em, I do have backups after all |
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| 19:21.06 | DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil: you watched the movie of my T900 (GFXcore?) going apeshit? |
| 19:21.19 | SpeedEvil | Nope. |
| 19:21.48 | DocScrutinizer51 | would like to hear some other thoughts about what happened there |
| 19:22.11 | DocScrutinizer51 | alas 244MB |
| 19:22.52 | SpeedEvil | http://www.makanipower.com/ - I was looking at. tethered wind turbines. |
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| 19:27.06 | yigal | Is there any possibility of hacking on Modest to get threads, tags and full screen view? |
| 19:27.19 | yigal | or is it a lost cause project? |
| 19:28.31 | yigal | or is there an email client that has most of these features and can be nicely integrated into the Maemo environment? Or something else altogether |
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| 19:32.27 | yigal | While I know the general unhappiness with Modest I figured there would be people would be able to shed light on the difficulty of adding this feature set. |
| 19:34.40 | yigal | alternatively I can continue to use Mutt on Maemo but it would be a bit easier to stop living a terminal existence on the N900 |
| 19:35.41 | SpeedEvil | modest is open source. |
| 19:35.44 | SpeedEvil | In principle... |
| 19:35.54 | SpeedEvil | I have no idea as to anyu hacking on it though |
| 19:36.22 | yigal | it seems unreasonable that someone wouldn't have attempted to hack on it already |
| 19:36.42 | yigal | and obviously unsuccesfully |
| 19:37.09 | yigal | but the question remains, in my mind, how much effort is needed to add this feature set |
| 19:38.28 | yigal | I remember the shock I got when I realized the email client for the n900 was vastly inferior to the n800s |
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| 21:23.41 | GeneralAntilles | Holy hell. Jet lag round two. |
| 21:24.26 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
| 21:24.36 | SpeedEvil | I have a foolproof method for avoiding jetlag. |
| 21:24.43 | SpeedEvil | Don't fly anywhere. |
| 21:25.12 | SpeedEvil | Though I make up for it by having a comedically disturbed sleep schedule without mechanical assistance. |
| 21:26.17 | lcukn900 | computers are still mechanical |
| 21:27.52 | GeneralAntilles | It didn't help that I was sitting next to "Stinky wide batting stance guy" on the long flight back to Atlanta. |
| 21:27.56 | GeneralAntilles | and didn't sleep much. |
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| 21:34.07 | NIN101 | My N900 LED sometimes blinks red, what does it mean(I guess nothing good :-))? |
| 21:34.23 | NIN101 | at least when I try to charge it... |
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| 21:36.58 | myuu | on nit droid? |
| 21:37.18 | arvut | will a backup be enough to restore the phones settings, apps, calender and bookmarks if I choose to reflash it to fix it after I messed it up by installing a devel app? |
| 21:37.32 | SpeedEvil | It will not restore apps. |
| 21:37.43 | SpeedEvil | It has a list of apps that you can choose to restore drom the repositories |
| 21:37.46 | lcukn900 | a backup stores lists of apps and repos |
| 21:37.57 | arvut | not even reinstall them/redownload them? |
| 21:38.08 | NIN101 | or it isn't even red, probably orange but never gets really turned on, don't know how to explain. I thnk my usb port is dying, damn it. |
| 21:38.13 | SpeedEvil | If the repositories are down - angry birds - say - you can't redownload |
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| 21:38.30 | arvut | right |
| 21:38.55 | arvut | and if I reflash, extras-devel will be disabled by default? |
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| 21:40.33 | arvut | NIN101: I've seen that colour of my LED too once or twice. I know there is an app that lets you configure the led, if that helps |
| 21:42.06 | arvut | btw, if x.org is running at 70% cpu and logging something to the /tmp, does that indicate a f-up? |
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| 21:43.25 | SpeedEvil | Depends on the something. |
| 21:43.47 | SpeedEvil | In some cases, X having high CPU is not an error, as the app is asking X to do work |
| 21:43.53 | SpeedEvil | what's the error/ |
| 21:46.33 | arvut | well, from what I can tell, the device is slow (really slow) from time to time), screen stays black for longer than it should and top reports high cpu usage on X.org -logfile |
| 21:47.16 | arvut | hildon-desktop likes to freeze too |
| 21:47.47 | arvut | in other words, not responding, asking me if I wanna close it |
| 21:49.31 | SpeedEvil | Look at /tmp/Xorg.0.log |
| 21:49.58 | arvut | the problem as far as I can tell is that x.org goes from the normal 3.2% cpu usage to 30, 50 & 70% cpu usage, which worries me |
| 21:50.41 | arvut | SpeedEvil: anything I should look for in it? I already did and I didn't understand it that well |
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| 21:51.31 | arvut | or should I post a pagebin of it? |
| 21:51.52 | SpeedEvil | pastebin |
| 21:52.08 | arvut | right, typo |
| 21:52.50 | SpeedEvil | I know. |
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| 22:06.58 | arvut | http://pastebin.com/m6YUHcF7 |
| 22:07.01 | arvut | =) |
| 22:07.17 | arvut | please do try to explain, I wanna learn :P |
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| 22:16.06 | arvut | not sure this is relevant but if aptitude returns sigsev whenever I try to use it, does that mean my device is acting weird or is it the app itself? |
| 22:16.38 | arvut | I have experience from using it under ubuntu |
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| 22:20.53 | arvut | SpeedEvil: found anything? It feels somewhat quiet in here ;) |
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| 22:22.37 | SpeedEvil | oh - I forgot |
| 22:23.03 | SpeedEvil | Everything normal in that log |
| 22:23.24 | SpeedEvil | On a quick skim anyway |
| 22:23.29 | arvut | haha, I tend to do that too. |
| 22:23.56 | arvut | sounds good then, wanna teach me how to read it btw? |
| 22:23.59 | SpeedEvil | yeah - I get the same warnings at the start too - so that's not an issue |
| 22:24.13 | arvut | or whatcha be doin? |
| 22:24.17 | SpeedEvil | I forget. |
| 22:24.19 | SpeedEvil | WW lines are warnings |
| 22:24.24 | arvut | aha |
| 22:24.30 | SpeedEvil | II are informational errors |
| 22:24.34 | arvut | ok |
| 22:25.15 | arvut | double equals must be somehow related to the C language |
| 22:25.16 | SpeedEvil | It's not actually helpful in diagnosis - as mine is essentially identical |
| 22:25.27 | arvut | really? |
| 22:26.02 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 22:27.06 | arvut | a completely different question then; do you know what encryption the backups are protected with? (when they got pw's) =) |
| 22:27.25 | SpeedEvil | Aren't tehy zips? |
| 22:27.33 | SpeedEvil | Whch would imply it's zip passwords. |
| 22:27.53 | SpeedEvil | (which are broken, with a known plaintext attack if you know 13 bytes at the begiinign of any file BTW) |
| 22:28.05 | arvut | I tend to create awesome backups of my desktops and how things are arranged exactly the way I want it to be, then pw them |
| 22:28.57 | arvut | the 13 first bytes of the file when hexdumped? |
| 22:29.32 | SpeedEvil | If you know 13 bytes of the compressed file. |
| 22:29.32 | arvut | you lost me there |
| 22:29.39 | SpeedEvil | The first 13. |
| 22:29.46 | SpeedEvil | Then you can work out the password of the archive. |
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| 22:29.51 | arvut | oh |
| 22:30.28 | arvut | I bet thats googlable, but if you'd care to explain in more detail that would be cool too =) |
| 22:31.44 | arvut | why is it so quiet in here at this time of the day anyway? is it a channel mostly used by working devs? |
| 22:32.08 | vldcnst | we're watching pr0n |
| 22:33.19 | arvut | aha |
| 22:33.49 | arvut | I scry the internet and chat with /dev/null then |
| 22:34.45 | arvut | I found a funny topic about xorg in the maemo.org forums.. "what the hell is xorg" =) |
| 22:35.04 | SpeedEvil | Just google known plaintext zipfile |
| 22:35.52 | vldcnst | SpeedEvil: are you sure you can get the password? |
| 22:36.19 | SpeedEvil | I don't think you can get the password, you can get a password that works though |
| 22:36.28 | SpeedEvil | I forget - it's been a decadish since I needed to. |
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| 22:44.34 | BCMM | arvut: not all maemo users are otherwise linux users |
| 22:47.37 | arvut | BCMM: since maemo is a linux distro then I would say they are :) |
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| 22:47.46 | BCMM | i said "otherwise" |
| 22:48.05 | arvut | oh, sorry =P |
| 22:49.43 | arvut | I'm mostly a windows user myself, should really go recompile the kernel for my desktop gentoo install. just can't be bothered todo it :| |
| 22:52.17 | BCMM | gentoo user here, and it's very little work to rebuild the kernel once it's set up right |
| 22:52.24 | javispedro | seems that guys are being serious with ipv6 this time |
| 22:52.30 | BCMM | the gentoo manual favours a needlessly fiddly install method |
| 22:52.40 | javispedro | let's see if google can finally flip the switch to dual for once dammit. |
| 22:52.44 | strohhalm | Oo |
| 22:52.51 | BCMM | javispedro: well, they can't do anything else now |
| 22:52.57 | BCMM | the addresses are actually all gone... |
| 22:53.05 | javispedro | oh, they can. |
| 22:53.21 | javispedro | I am already starting to hear about hierarchical NAT... |
| 22:53.30 | BCMM | yeah, i suppose they can. i really do not want the carrier-grade NAT solution |
| 22:53.42 | BCMM | in the long run, that has to be more expensive |
| 22:53.57 | derf | There's only so many ports. |
| 22:54.14 | javispedro | it's not necessarily N-to-1 nat |
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| 22:55.14 | arvut | BCMM: problemm is, mne paniced, someone in #gentoo said it was due to lack of fs support, which would make sense |
| 22:55.30 | arvut | s/mne/mine/ |
| 22:55.31 | BCMM | "not syncing"? |
| 22:55.44 | arvut | delete that infobot! |
| 22:56.22 | javispedro | time to look at the sad state of home adsl routers again.. |
| 22:56.42 | arvut | hmm, cant remember, I do have a nice gentoo-style grub with win7 as first choice tho |
| 22:57.14 | arvut | javispedro: what about them? shall they crash and burn? |
| 22:58.19 | javispedro | they DO crash and burn. |
| 22:59.14 | arvut | javispedro: I've never had one. but sure, yes they do |
| 23:00.53 | arvut | btw, I love woodmann for its many great articles :) And thank you SpeedEvil for telling me about the known plaintext attack. now I got enough reading for the whole weekend :) |
| 23:01.29 | arvut | that.. sounded fairly odd |
| 23:02.23 | GeneralAntilles | The trend towards integrated routers/modems is scary. |
| 23:02.33 | GeneralAntilles | I have yet to see one that isn't useless garbage |
| 23:03.08 | lcuk | yet they are out there in their millions |
| 23:03.21 | SpeedEvil | GeneralAntilles: I've got one that I would like - if only it had source. (and a few more megs of RAM) |
| 23:03.23 | lcuk | so they must be "good enough" |
| 23:03.43 | SpeedEvil | Linux, busybox, configurable. |
| 23:03.57 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, no, people are just to under informed to know otherwise. |
| 23:04.32 | SpeedEvil | I'd really love an opensource DSL stack. |
| 23:04.32 | lcuk | GeneralAntilles, under informed to what? |
| 23:04.33 | GeneralAntilles | and Microsoft products have set their expectations of technology very low. |
| 23:04.36 | SpeedEvil | But I may be wierd. |
| 23:04.42 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, sorry, too jet lagged to play this weird game with you. |
| 23:04.47 | lcuk | and if you want to make a change, go to the isp with your notes/ideas/principles |
| 23:05.00 | javispedro | likes integrated router+modem |
| 23:05.03 | javispedro | one reason: power. |
| 23:05.18 | javispedro | sadly, I do see they all suck. |
| 23:05.20 | lcuk | GeneralAntilles, not game playing, just wondering what the problem with them is |
| 23:05.31 | lcuk | outside lab conditions they tend to work |
| 23:05.32 | SpeedEvil | I'm actually going to an 'old linux box' for a router, from an integrated unit in a few days. |
| 23:05.43 | lcuk | people tsk and tut and just get replacement from isp if its tits up |
| 23:05.48 | lcuk | gives folks something to talk about |
| 23:05.48 | javispedro | would do that if it weren't for ... power, you guessed it! |
| 23:05.49 | SpeedEvil | However, the old linux box is a laptop that uses ~6W - so it's comparable with the router. |
| 23:05.59 | SpeedEvil | And it can also run other stuff. |
| 23:06.10 | javispedro | laptop that uses ~6W? where? |
| 23:06.10 | SpeedEvil | It was cheaper than a pogoplug |
| 23:06.15 | lcuk | "argggg the modem * from $ISP screwed up my internet" * its a modem/router/coffee machine |
| 23:06.15 | javispedro | it's an atom? |
| 23:06.19 | SpeedEvil | javispedro: Thinkpad x60s |
| 23:06.34 | SpeedEvil | javispedro: Though I forget how I got 6.5W - it's about 9 now. |
| 23:06.53 | javispedro | that sounds more reasonable... and screen off and totally idle. |
| 23:07.44 | javispedro | lcuk: it comes with an usb port these days so they plug their ipods on it and then complain it didn't give their ipods internet |
| 23:08.04 | javispedro | (I'm talkinga bout cheap-o ipods, not the iphone-like ones) |
| 23:13.27 | arvut | wonders in what way an ipod could be used to spread evil content =) |
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| 23:15.01 | javispedro | hiding a bomb inside it? |
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