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| 00:10.07 | GonzoTheGreat_ | I noticed that the IRC log dutifully posted the password! |
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| 00:11.24 | NIN101 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1019826#post1019826 I lold |
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| 00:12.46 | cehteh | NIN101: haha |
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| 00:13.02 | cehteh | someone kick that kid in the nuts |
| 00:13.11 | timeless_xchat | hello from Toronto |
| 00:13.40 | cehteh | GonzoTheGreat_: loggers are great, aren't they? :) |
| 00:14.07 | cehteh | now you dont need to remember your passwords anymore, the intarnetz do that for you! |
| 00:14.15 | cehteh | hi timeless |
| 00:14.47 | GonzoTheGreat_ | I should set up some spoof account somewhere with the username and password and see who is biting. |
| 00:15.26 | timeless_xchat | hi cehteh |
| 00:15.55 | timeless_xchat | needs to unpair a dead phone from facebook |
| 00:16.07 | cehteh | unpair? |
| 00:16.29 | timeless_xchat | you can lock a facebook account to a bunch of phones |
| 00:16.39 | cehteh | ah |
| 00:16.45 | cehteh | i never used facebook |
| 00:16.55 | timeless_xchat | and when you try to log in from an unrecognized device, it'll send an sms challenge |
| 00:17.10 | timeless_xchat | w/o that info you can't log in |
| 00:17.11 | cehteh | if you dont need that dead phone anymore, send me the camera module please :P |
| 00:17.29 | timeless_xchat | dead phone number technically |
| 00:17.39 | cehteh | damn |
| 00:17.40 | timeless_xchat | if you want the sim, i can send it somewhere |
| 00:17.51 | timeless_xchat | but it was only good for 15 days |
| 00:17.53 | cehteh | i should head out for a damaged n900 to scrap it for spare parts :) |
| 00:18.04 | cehteh | my cam got sunburn |
| 00:18.20 | timeless_xchat | it should work for keeping your classic symbian phone from refusing to exit offline mode |
| 00:18.25 | cehteh | well i was lamenting earlier about that .. better i work something else now |
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| 00:18.52 | timeless_xchat | anyway, i'm using Wind here in Toronto |
| 00:19.13 | timeless_xchat | they're relatively good - when compared to Canadian providers |
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| 00:24.25 | timeless_xchat | unlimited internet (10cad/mo) has a certain bandwidth limit, you pay an extra 10/mo for 7.4mbit ("tethering") |
| 00:25.02 | SpeedEvil | Not bad at all |
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| 00:27.16 | timeless_xchat | i'm skipping the tethering fee for now |
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| 00:27.35 | timeless_xchat | and taking a 10/mo fee to call/msg usa |
| 00:28.06 | timeless_xchat | w/ a reasonable base of 25/mo |
| 00:29.02 | timeless_xchat | most canadian plans w/ data end up running 100/mo |
| 00:29.08 | timeless_xchat | w/ 5gb data caps |
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| 00:36.07 | MohammadAG | timeless_xchat, how do you do that phone + facebook thing? |
| 00:36.21 | MohammadAG | never noticed it, I only have to enter the new device's name |
| 00:38.06 | MohammadAG | nvm, found it |
| 00:38.53 | timeless_xchat | :) |
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| 00:40.03 | MohammadAG | timeless_xchat, what if I lose my phone number and cookies? |
| 00:43.53 | timeless_xchat | there is a recovery protocol |
| 00:44.13 | timeless_xchat | you set up an emergency phone number |
| 00:44.33 | timeless_xchat | but... try not to lose your cookies :) |
| 00:44.42 | MohammadAG | I mean, what if I can't find any phone :P |
| 00:46.36 | timeless_xchat | the emergency phone shouldn't be yours... |
| 00:47.06 | timeless_xchat | if you're on facebook, surely you have friends! :) |
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| 00:49.39 | wblaze | timeless_xchat: <3 wind. |
| 00:50.35 | wblaze | been with them since last year, they've been great |
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| 00:51.22 | wblaze | network coverage isn't great, but the price and service more than make up for that since I'm not out of the GTA enough to worry about roaming |
| 00:53.32 | MohammadAG | heh |
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| 00:57.29 | timeless_xchat | wblaze: where are you? (geoping) |
| 00:57.55 | wblaze | Mississauga |
| 00:57.59 | timeless_xchat | yeah, it reminds me of Cingular wireless around 2001 |
| 00:58.18 | timeless_xchat | wblaze: i'll be there starting Tuesday |
| 00:58.32 | wblaze | yes! I made the same comparison with Cingular |
| 00:58.49 | wblaze | hopefully Wind doesn't get bought out by one of the big three, like they did. |
| 00:58.58 | timeless_xchat | yeah ... |
| 00:59.08 | wblaze | moving, or visiting? |
| 00:59.14 | timeless_xchat | atm Canada has a bunch of upstarts |
| 00:59.25 | timeless_xchat | working |
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| 00:59.30 | timeless_xchat | i'll live in downtown |
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| 00:59.36 | timeless_xchat | i'm @The Element |
| 01:00.07 | timeless_xchat | actually, i'm eating @fresh (on Spadina ?) |
| 01:01.31 | timeless_xchat | I need to pick up a Bike and find a bike route out to Mississauga ... |
| 01:02.02 | wblaze | I'm still learning the area, myself |
| 01:02.19 | wblaze | otherwise I'd offer to help |
| 01:03.22 | timeless_xchat | when did you arrive? |
| 01:04.35 | timeless_xchat | should also try to see about picking up Jays tickets |
| 01:04.44 | wblaze | end of october |
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| 01:09.59 | timeless_xchat | 7 months? |
| 01:10.25 | wblaze | so far |
| 01:11.15 | timeless_xchat | so.. where would you go shopping for things? |
| 01:11.21 | timeless_xchat | needs a shaver |
| 01:11.52 | wblaze | shoppers or walmart, usually |
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| 01:12.01 | timeless_xchat | should look up how the bike rentals work |
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| 01:12.30 | GAN900 | timeless_xchat, congrats on arriving in one piece. |
| 01:12.40 | timeless_xchat | gan900: thanks |
| 01:13.30 | timeless_xchat | oh right, i need to call TD bank and fix up telephone banking + paypal.ca |
| 01:13.52 | wblaze | unless you're looking for a good straight razor, in which case i have no idea other than pointing you towards Yorkdale or Square One |
| 01:13.55 | timeless_xchat | is walking along Spadina @King |
| 01:14.09 | timeless_xchat | electric |
| 01:14.22 | timeless_xchat | my last was a Braun |
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| 01:15.07 | GAN900 | Panasonic |
| 01:15.22 | GAN900 | ES-LA93K |
| 01:15.31 | GAN900 | There's an EPP deal you can get. |
| 01:15.33 | timeless_xchat | i'm not so worried about models |
| 01:15.36 | timeless_xchat | epp? |
| 01:15.51 | timeless_xchat | more about ease of acquisition |
| 01:15.59 | wblaze | malls would be my only suggestion, mostly because i gave up on electrics at least 8 years ago |
| 01:16.21 | timeless_xchat | btw, women here look much nicer than in HEL and they're friendlier too |
| 01:17.58 | wblaze | everybody is friendler in canada |
| 01:18.27 | timeless_xchat | yep |
| 01:19.05 | timeless_xchat | any tourist suggestions for a Wednesday? |
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| 01:20.39 | wblaze | CN Tower or Center Island would be my rather obvious suggestions |
| 01:21.11 | timeless_xchat | just snapped some pictures of the former |
| 01:21.31 | timeless_xchat | i think cycling around the latter is in order |
| 01:22.03 | wblaze | sounds fun |
| 01:22.50 | wblaze | the parks off lakeshore are nice as well |
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| 01:25.05 | timeless_xchat | i need to try cycling from the skydome to mississauga |
| 01:25.43 | timeless_xchat | i'm hoping i can do it in around an hour |
| 01:25.50 | DocScrutinizer | lo timeless_xchat |
| 01:26.05 | timeless_xchat | hi docscrutinizer |
| 01:26.19 | wblaze | shouldnt be too hard to manage |
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| 01:27.01 | wblaze | pay attention to traffic signs/aignals though |
| 01:27.12 | DocScrutinizer | cehteh: there were spare cam modules on sale |
| 01:27.20 | wblaze | cops can be a pain in the ass to cyclists |
| 01:27.21 | DocScrutinizer | "cheap" |
| 01:27.31 | ebzzry | Hi! What happens first, running of the items in /etc/event.d or mounting home? |
| 01:28.29 | wblaze | ebzzry: should be filesystem mounting, but i could be horribly mistaken assuming the boot order is sane |
| 01:28.35 | timeless_xchat | gan900, try loading http://search.toronto.ca/search?sort=date%3AD%3AL%3Ad1&output=xml_no_dtd&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&client=Toronto&proxystylesheet=Toronto&site=TorontoWebsite&q=bike |
| 01:29.32 | ebzzry | wblaze: hmm |
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| 01:30.58 | DocScrutinizer | ~xyawn |
| 01:30.59 | infobot | from memory, xyawn is nap |
| 01:31.06 | DocScrutinizer | blah |
| 01:36.50 | timeless_xchat | ok, path is roughly 22km (80mins) |
| 01:37.11 | timeless_xchat | about double optimal time via transit |
| 01:37.33 | timeless_xchat | investigates "shoppers" |
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| 01:40.22 | timeless_xchat | gan900 : so this place has braun, philips and "toni&guy" |
| 01:40.27 | cehteh | DocScrutinizer: where? |
| 01:40.46 | DocScrutinizer | ownta? |
| 01:40.54 | DocScrutinizer | mompls... |
| 01:41.14 | GAN900 | timeless_xchat, only have experience with Panasonic. |
| 01:41.25 | GAN900 | Though a couple of my friends use and enjoy Brauns. |
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| 01:42.19 | cehteh | note to myself: next phone cam with a real shutter please |
| 01:42.32 | cehteh | (any phone exists with a real shutter cam?) |
| 01:42.54 | timeless_xchat | https://panasonic.ca/english/personalhealth/mensgrooming/ESLA93.asp ? |
| 01:43.37 | cehteh | Illuminated, blue LCD |
| 01:43.41 | cehteh | whaha |
| 01:44.21 | DocScrutinizer | cehteh: http://www.saremi-mobilfunk.de/product_info.php/info/p4767_Original-Nokia-N900-CAMERA-Module-5-Megapixel.html |
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| 01:44.36 | cehteh | mhm |
| 01:44.39 | cehteh | thanks |
| 01:44.49 | cehteh | guess i wait until mine fails more |
| 01:44.58 | cehteh | 40 eur isnt it worth yet |
| 01:45.42 | cehteh | maybe i put it a daylong into sunlight then all dyes fade away and i have a nice b/w cam with 4 times resolution :P |
| 01:47.10 | DocScrutinizer | cehteh: I'd think the cam driver (firmware?) should have a muladd static compensation |
| 01:47.38 | timeless_xchat | i'll go for something cheap for now and fix it later |
| 01:47.41 | DocScrutinizer | maybe even a gamma compensation frame |
| 01:47.51 | cehteh | prolly yes .. since i have this sunburn it pumps in color when using it in viewfinder mode |
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| 01:48.21 | cehteh | so maybe its even more damaged than i see |
| 01:48.23 | DocScrutinizer | so possibly this compensation got nulled |
| 01:48.41 | cehteh | can try a raw pic with bless900 .. but i dont really know how raw that is |
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| 01:49.11 | DocScrutinizer | not THAT raw |
| 01:49.16 | cehteh | what really scares me, i checked recent photos and it happend really fast after one short exposure to direct sunlight |
| 01:49.51 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, you're sure it's related to sun exposure? |
| 01:50.05 | GAN900 | timeless_xchat, yeah, I can't recommend that Panasonic highly enough. |
| 01:50.11 | cehteh | not sure, but thats the only explanation i have |
| 01:50.12 | GAN900 | Had it for about a year and a half now. |
| 01:50.46 | DocScrutinizer | firmware got messed up |
| 01:50.57 | cehteh | are the filter dyes mositure instable? .. condensation perhaps? |
| 01:51.02 | DocScrutinizer | is another explanation |
| 01:51.11 | cehteh | yes that could be too |
| 01:51.13 | DocScrutinizer | possuble |
| 01:51.28 | cehteh | maybe i do a cold reboot with removing battery (normal reboot didnt fixed it) |
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| 01:52.15 | DocScrutinizer | I doubt that'll change anything, but won't hurt |
| 01:52.20 | cehteh | my first thought was firmware too .. second was sunburn .. i cant think of anything else |
| 01:52.45 | DocScrutinizer | dirty window/lens |
| 01:53.04 | cehteh | nope thats not |
| 01:53.23 | DocScrutinizer | you can't know |
| 01:53.31 | cehteh | cleaning makes no difference and it doesnt look like a lens artifact |
| 01:54.14 | DocScrutinizer | there are THREE "exposed" surfaces of transparent object, before light hits sensor |
| 01:54.23 | DocScrutinizer | you only cleaned one |
| 01:54.31 | cehteh | three? ... more likely 5 :) |
| 01:55.06 | cehteh | while the inner surfaces are reasonable encapsulated (not completely but still) |
| 01:55.07 | DocScrutinizer | I said "exposed" |
| 01:55.10 | SpeedEvil | notes that air is a transparent object. |
| 01:55.18 | DocScrutinizer | hmmm |
| 01:55.28 | DocScrutinizer | where's the surface? |
| 01:56.31 | cehteh | front glas, (2 surfaces, both sides), single lens (also 2 sides), IR filter, bayer filter, sensor surface |
| 01:56.40 | cehteh | for the filters i dont know how they are assembled |
| 01:56.56 | cehteh | ir is usually a glass or plastic piece in front |
| 01:56.59 | SpeedEvil | cehteh: The bayer filter is deposited on the sensor. |
| 01:57.09 | SpeedEvil | cehteh: There may also be microlenses in there too. |
| 01:57.10 | cehteh | while the bayer is directly on the chip |
| 01:57.31 | cehteh | yes plus microlenses but i doubt this camera has that |
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| 01:58.56 | timeless_xchat | it looks like i'll have to go to Best Buy to get that shaver |
| 01:59.09 | timeless_xchat | and i'll probably need to fix my credit card |
| 01:59.21 | cehteh | woot .. no torx screws on the back ... |
| 01:59.33 | cehteh | mhm but still i dont want to disassemble my device now |
| 02:00.01 | cehteh | ah 2 torx at the bottom |
| 02:00.12 | DocScrutinizer | you need phillips and torx |
| 02:00.31 | timeless_xchat | objects to calling air an object |
| 02:00.47 | cehteh | i dont even know if my torx set is here or on our other flat :P |
| 02:00.47 | timeless_xchat | ... a substance, maybe, but not an object :) |
| 02:01.14 | DocScrutinizer | anyway, you could implement your own calibration. Just multiply by a picture of a white surface |
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| 02:02.16 | cehteh | haha .. how many bit resolution does the camera output? 10 in pseudo raw mode? |
| 02:02.35 | cehteh | if its 8 bit then any afterward callibration is doomed |
| 02:03.47 | DocScrutinizer | meh |
| 02:04.17 | DocScrutinizer | there MUST be some way to calibrate that, as you can take pictures as well |
| 02:04.50 | cehteh | yes thats usually done internally by uploading a lut to the readout circruit |
| 02:05.00 | DocScrutinizer | if you had to use dithering, use dithering |
| 02:05.54 | DocScrutinizer | but I honestly doubt it's 8bit per channel |
| 02:06.06 | cehteh | for jpeg it should be |
| 02:06.22 | cehteh | and 8bit per channel is really the mimimum standard |
| 02:06.46 | DocScrutinizer | cehteh: find the sensor's datasheet! |
| 02:06.48 | cehteh | sensors are crappy in other ways adding noise and uneveness |
| 02:07.06 | cehteh | prolly internal it scans at 10bit |
| 02:07.21 | cehteh | so rebootet .. lets try |
| 02:07.55 | cehteh | not better .. |
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| 02:08.08 | DocScrutinizer | expected that |
| 02:08.13 | DocScrutinizer | errr |
| 02:08.16 | DocScrutinizer | anticipated |
| 02:08.17 | cehteh | yes |
| 02:08.58 | DocScrutinizer | darm, what BS am I telling that I *don't* notice? |
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| 02:09.55 | cehteh | i should watch out for some dead n900 for scavenging |
| 02:10.27 | DocScrutinizer | or even not - seems expected is closer to anticipated than I thought |
| 02:11.36 | cehteh | really wonders if thats covered by warranty, i didnt do some abuse |
| 02:12.04 | cehteh | i mean that one points the camera into sun direction for a few seconds is just to be expected use |
| 02:12.24 | DocScrutinizer | cehteh: I'd expect (this time SIC) to find some calibration somewhere, like the CLUT you mentioned. Not sure if it may be a per-pixel calibration that is based on a video frame of data |
| 02:12.58 | cehteh | well i give up for now |
| 02:13.12 | DocScrutinizer | cehteh: I wouldn't even mention that, esp since you're not sure if it happened at all and if that's been the cause |
| 02:13.29 | DocScrutinizer | yes, it's guarantee |
| 02:13.55 | DocScrutinizer | and I'm absolutely not buying the sunburn theory. Way to smooth and even an effect |
| 02:13.59 | cehteh | you seen the photo .. that day i was on a hill here in the black forrest and for the first time i photograped in real bright sunlight |
| 02:14.06 | cehteh | well maybe |
| 02:14.30 | cehteh | but i have no other explanation yet, if its firmware a reboot should have it fixed or? |
| 02:14.57 | DocScrutinizer | I expect some firmware inside the sensor module |
| 02:14.59 | cehteh | moisture? ... sweaty pocket? .. i doubt |
| 02:15.06 | cehteh | yes |
| 02:15.19 | cehteh | or no .. maybe its done all in the DSP |
| 02:15.29 | cehteh | to make the sensor module cheaper :P |
| 02:15.33 | DocScrutinizer | possibly as unflashable as the one in e.g the accelerometer |
| 02:15.42 | SpeedEvil | cehteh: It sounds unlikely that a few moments will kill the sensor |
| 02:15.59 | cehteh | ok but i still have no idea what caused it |
| 02:16.28 | DocScrutinizer | and if it did, it had a spot or scar, not an evenly distributed wrong color |
| 02:17.09 | cehteh | yes usually firmware does some color correction for the lens .. but i didnt changed the lens :P |
| 02:17.30 | DocScrutinizer | yes, but the firmware might have "changed" |
| 02:18.23 | cehteh | maybe fcam or bless900 sends some odd sequence which cripples it |
| 02:18.28 | DocScrutinizer | if you have guarantee on it still, then my suggestion is to use that |
| 02:18.47 | DocScrutinizer | otherise my first advice is to disassemble and clean thoroughly |
| 02:18.59 | DocScrutinizer | cehteh: might be |
| 02:19.09 | DocScrutinizer | get the datasheet |
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| 02:19.17 | cehteh | mhm .. maybe it looks a bit better now? .. well i have to try tomorrow in daylight |
| 02:19.27 | DocScrutinizer | I have looked into it, but only for max framerate and zoom |
| 02:19.53 | DocScrutinizer | ~s/have// |
| 02:20.16 | DocScrutinizer | imeh |
| 02:20.44 | DocScrutinizer | ~botsnack |
| 02:20.44 | infobot | thanks, DocScrutinizer |
| 02:21.31 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: do you know about correction for main cam? |
| 02:22.06 | DocScrutinizer | evidently for frntcam they improved it with pr1.1(?) |
| 02:22.18 | cehteh | mhm i really think it looks better now .. but its too dark here |
| 02:22.44 | DocScrutinizer | the effect should depend on illumination |
| 02:22.53 | DocScrutinizer | should NOT |
| 02:23.16 | cehteh | depends from where it comes |
| 02:23.26 | DocScrutinizer | if it's deterioration of any sensor parameter |
| 02:23.28 | cehteh | and with too dark i mean i cant even get a good example shot :) |
| 02:23.58 | DocScrutinizer | now that's for sure a limit |
| 02:24.11 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: It's got all sorts of shizzle - from vignetting correction onwards in the DSP |
| 02:24.36 | DocScrutinizer | I'm starting along lines of excessive UV irritating the sensor |
| 02:24.38 | cehteh | my neon desk lamp is too flickery, i tried to photograph my monitor with a big white termial .. that looks better but says close to nothing |
| 02:25.29 | DocScrutinizer | s/ting /ting to think / |
| 02:25.42 | DocScrutinizer | tired? |
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| 02:27.07 | DocScrutinizer | UV at least would match the distribution pattern of the effect |
| 02:27.51 | cehteh | yes |
| 02:28.53 | cehteh | http://i.imgur.com/9cEcO.jpg |
| 02:28.56 | cehteh | freaky :) |
| 02:29.20 | cehteh | solarize effect and moire while photographing my monitor |
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| 02:29.34 | cehteh | (white screen) |
| 02:29.36 | SpeedEvil | That's normal |
| 02:30.18 | cehteh | i should sell that as desktop background for 3.99 at the apple app store :) |
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| 03:07.27 | biston | good morning |
| 03:08.08 | biston | i just wanna ask a quick question. if my ham is giving me the msg that i need to upgrade the CSSU package thru PC Suite, is it safe to alternatively update the package via fapmanager ? |
| 03:09.16 | biston | or i can always do it via terminal |
| 03:09.18 | biston | which is better ? |
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| 04:01.04 | DocScrutinizer | never use fapman, at least for system pkgs |
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| 04:02.26 | DocScrutinizer | for apt-get ask mohammad, I dunno. But I'd think if HAM complains about "you need to use pc suite..." then there are conflicts that you can't sort with apt the easy way either |
| 04:02.59 | myuu | biston |
| 04:03.09 | myuu | just check the problems tab |
| 04:03.18 | myuu | oh he left |
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| 04:05.13 | DocScrutinizer | meh |
| 04:05.20 | DocScrutinizer | moo myuu |
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| 04:06.09 | DocScrutinizer | looks like a jandel poem |
| 04:06.15 | DocScrutinizer | :-) |
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| 04:10.01 | keks-n | Hm |
| 04:10.20 | keks-n | Now I see multiboot menu when booting Ubuntu's kernel |
| 04:10.37 | keks-n | But it doesn't react on any keys |
| 04:11.11 | keks-n | i. e. these keys appear in the console |
| 04:13.14 | GonzoTheGreat_ | 1-2-3? |
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| 04:15.52 | keks-n | yep |
| 04:16.09 | keks-n | Actually I see q,w,e |
| 04:16.18 | keks-n | Or Q W E with shift |
| 04:18.27 | keks-n | Hm, it uses /dev/event1 |
| 04:18.49 | keks-n | There is no such device when system is loaded |
| 04:20.36 | keks-n | Will try to fix it to /dev/input/event1 |
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| 04:23.04 | keks-n | lol, something went wrong |
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| 04:53.25 | keks-n | Hm |
| 04:53.52 | keks-n | It should use /dev/input/event0 instead of /dev/input1 when running Ubuntu kernel |
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| 05:09.20 | keks-n | Argh |
| 05:09.35 | keks-n | It won't flash the kernel -_- |
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| 05:11.12 | keks-n | Hm |
| 05:11.41 | DocScrutinizer | incredible what you're doing just to get nitdridiot running |
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| 05:12.05 | keks-n | I want to run Ubuntu, not nitdroid |
| 05:12.10 | DocScrutinizer | is it really worth the hassle? |
| 05:12.23 | dm8tbr | oh, yes because everything has to run ubuntu... ;) |
| 05:12.33 | DocScrutinizer | ^^ |
| 05:12.38 | keks-n | lol |
| 05:12.40 | dm8tbr | keks-n: which version? |
| 05:12.45 | keks-n | 11.04 |
| 05:12.58 | dm8tbr | keks-n: good luck, the n900 SoC has broken thumbs... |
| 05:13.03 | dm8tbr | pun intended |
| 05:13.37 | DocScrutinizer | hahaha |
| 05:13.47 | keks-n | I saw some Illegal instruction errors while running the second stage of debootstrap -_- |
| 05:14.15 | keks-n | Hm |
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| 05:14.37 | DocScrutinizer | so you need multiboot to boot buntkuh now? o.O |
| 05:14.41 | dm8tbr | keks-n: yes, you need to go back at least two versions... |
| 05:14.43 | keks-n | I have an idea of integrating uboot into multiboot sequence |
| 05:14.56 | DocScrutinizer | that's impossible |
| 05:15.01 | keks-n | Why? |
| 05:15.17 | DocScrutinizer | as it's completely different methods |
| 05:15.26 | keks-n | It boots maemo kernel, it runs /sbin/preinit aaaannnnddd Multiboot is here! |
| 05:15.49 | keks-n | I just have to extract zImage from FIASCO image |
| 05:16.15 | dm8tbr | so that's a kexec based boot menu? |
| 05:16.23 | keks-n | Nope |
| 05:16.32 | keks-n | kexec is broken |
| 05:16.45 | DocScrutinizer | so what? next time it won't boot maemo kernel, as last time you used multiboot, it flashed ubuntu kernel to NAND @.@ |
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| 05:16.58 | keks-n | lol |
| 05:17.15 | keks-n | Multiboot flashes u-boot, u-boot loads Ubuntu from SD |
| 05:17.37 | keks-n | When I decide to start Maemo, I just tell it u-boot |
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| 05:18.02 | keks-n | And it loads maemo kernel which brings me back to multiboot |
| 05:18.02 | DocScrutinizer | so WTF do you need multiboot then? |
| 05:18.13 | keks-n | Nitdroid and kernel-power |
| 05:18.20 | DocScrutinizer | tzzz |
| 05:18.25 | keks-n | ^__^ |
| 05:18.40 | keks-n | I still cann't run u-boot with kernel-power |
| 05:19.31 | DocScrutinizer | sorry, I got N*F*C how to run uBoot-kernelPower via multiboot |
| 05:19.55 | DocScrutinizer | but I'm sure I'm absolutely happy with that and NEVER want to learn |
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| 05:21.07 | DocScrutinizer | good luck anyway, and don't forget to occasionally reread /topic |
| 05:23.14 | keks-n | Unfortunately I need android for development |
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| 05:25.04 | DocScrutinizer | dm8tbr: multiboot opens a menu, asks what OS to run, then reflashes(!!!) the kernel on NAND and reboots that new kernel, aiui |
| 05:25.31 | keks-n | Is there any other way of having nitdroid and ubuntu? |
| 05:25.36 | dm8tbr | DocScrutinizer: 'interesting' |
| 05:26.10 | dm8tbr | DocScrutinizer: so always have a second device handy to reflash your unit in case you know the menu zaps the kernel... |
| 05:26.27 | DocScrutinizer | dm8tbr: obviously if *anything* went wrong on that procedure, when you update kernel the normal way, or mess with kernel modules, you're screwed on bootloop and got to reflash |
| 05:26.54 | DocScrutinizer | dm8tbr: yes |
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| 05:27.13 | dm8tbr | keks-n: u-boot can boot from MMC or NAND/eMMC - so? |
| 05:27.42 | GonzoTheGreat | I use this to run Meego and power kernel - http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1007601&postcount=1 |
| 05:27.46 | DocScrutinizer | dm8tbr: uBoot can even boot from all three |
| 05:28.01 | keks-n | No I'm unable to get it working even with kernel-power |
| 05:28.11 | GonzoTheGreat | Strictly not nitwits stuff |
| 05:28.34 | keks-n | s/No/Now/ |
| 05:28.41 | keks-n | Hm |
| 05:28.50 | GonzoTheGreat | It's a combo of multiboot and uboot |
| 05:28.51 | DocScrutinizer | keks-n: your problem. Toldya uBoot-power pkg installs and works like a charm here |
| 05:29.05 | GonzoTheGreat | power47 |
| 05:29.18 | keks-n | At least I managed to integrate uboot into multiboot |
| 05:29.27 | dm8tbr | DocScrutinizer: last time I tried that there was something unsatisfied in the deps IIRC |
| 05:29.48 | DocScrutinizer | I didn't bother to build on my own |
| 05:30.03 | DocScrutinizer | I said "intall", not "build" |
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| 05:31.02 | DocScrutinizer | open HAM, search for uboot, install uBoot-power pkg, done |
| 05:31.59 | GonzoTheGreat | the installing uboot-pr13 section in the above link is teh key part |
| 05:32.03 | DocScrutinizer | dunno if you maybe need to have powerkernel (modules) instelled prior to that |
| 05:32.41 | DocScrutinizer | anyway multiboot is *DEPRECATED* |
| 05:33.07 | DocScrutinizer | and I fail to see any sane reason to use it |
| 05:34.04 | DocScrutinizer | if you want nitridiot, make it boot thu uBoot - hell, it seems to boot from NOLO, so why shouldn't it boot from uBoot |
| 05:34.53 | DocScrutinizer | you'd think the kernel doesn't really care where from it gets loaded to ram |
| 05:35.34 | dm8tbr | DocScrutinizer: I guess I'll have to reflash 1.3 and retry. last time HAM complained that it couldn't find the power_46_ modules when I tried the _47_ uboot-power |
| 05:35.41 | DocScrutinizer | even if it's an insane nitridiot kernel |
| 05:36.43 | DocScrutinizer | mhm, that might be a problem. I guess you might need to install powerkernel plain vanilla prior to uboot-power |
| 05:38.14 | DocScrutinizer | t900:~# apt-cache policy uboot-power |
| 05:38.15 | DocScrutinizer | uboot-power: |
| 05:38.17 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:38.30 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:38.32 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:38.35 | DocScrutinizer | hmmm |
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| 05:39.42 | DocScrutinizer | anyway seems I got uboot-power46 |
| 05:39.57 | DocScrutinizer | possibly 47 got a bug, dunno |
| 05:40.22 | GonzoTheGreat | There is a thread about it. |
| 05:40.35 | GonzoTheGreat | Hence the link I posted above |
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| 05:41.31 | DocScrutinizer | I got it that link posted to noise about multiboot |
| 05:42.19 | GonzoTheGreat | huh? |
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| 05:59.46 | DocScrutinizer | hell, I really read all that weird stuff (can't believe it) - and there ARE people using nitridiot on eMMC even. Don't tell me you need multiboot to get it booted! quite obviously there's very little difference between meego and what nitdriod seems to need/use/do for boot |
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| 06:01.50 | GonzoTheGreat | Why not write up how to do it "properly". All I want is have power47 and meego of sd. |
| 06:02.16 | DocScrutinizer | the bootloader points to a location for kernel - this is obviously a vmlinuz file on a VFAT partiton for both meego and nitdroid - and BL pints to the partition where your rootfs lives - this is a ext2/3 formated partition for both |
| 06:03.04 | DocScrutinizer | the main diference between meego and nitridiot seems to be the sequence of partitions on uSD |
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| 06:03.45 | DocScrutinizer | then maybe you also make sure the vmlinuz kernel file has same full path and name for both your OS |
| 06:03.51 | keks-n | What the |
| 06:04.06 | keks-n | uboot doesn't recognize uImage |
| 06:04.16 | keks-n | On the SD card |
| 06:04.27 | DocScrutinizer | the you should be able to swap between uSD with meego and uSD with nitdroid |
| 06:05.38 | DocScrutinizer | and of course you can use uBoot-power as well as uBoot-pr13 to boot uSD and nand-based maemo |
| 06:06.08 | keks-n | Now I'm unable to use uboot-power |
| 06:06.19 | DocScrutinizer | I don't see any reason to get both stock pr13 kernel and powerkernel on N900 concurrently |
| 06:06.20 | keks-n | It even doesn't show it's menu |
| 06:06.47 | DocScrutinizer | keks-n: surprise surprise, don't you use multiboot? |
| 06:07.14 | keks-n | Lol, how multiboot can be related with uboot? |
| 06:07.23 | keks-n | It just replaces /sbin/preinit |
| 06:07.24 | DocScrutinizer | WUT????????????? |
| 06:07.28 | DocScrutinizer | BS |
| 06:07.40 | DocScrutinizer | multiboot is flashing the kernel |
| 06:07.47 | keks-n | How can it interact with u-boot BEFORE something is mounted? |
| 06:07.53 | DocScrutinizer | that's hat they told mew |
| 06:08.04 | keks-n | I've flashed U-Boot throght flasher-3.5 and nolo |
| 06:08.12 | DocScrutinizer | so what? |
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| 06:08.21 | keks-n | And even after it I saw only black screen |
| 06:08.34 | keks-n | I did it after removing multiboot |
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| 06:08.41 | robbiethe1st | ls |
| 06:08.46 | keks-n | kernel-power boots from NOLO perfectly |
| 06:08.53 | keks-n | But not uboot-power |
| 06:09.13 | DocScrutinizer | sorry I can't help - maybe multiboot mean while has worn out your NAND - you know you can write/erase it only a limited number of times |
| 06:09.47 | keks-n | But I've flashed several own kernels after it |
| 06:09.54 | keks-n | And they also work |
| 06:10.02 | keks-n | And uboot-pr13 works |
| 06:10.03 | DocScrutinizer | read topic please |
| 06:10.09 | keks-n | lol |
| 06:10.40 | keks-n | I'm sure that problem is caused not by multiboot |
| 06:11.13 | keks-n | BTW how to make u-boot recognize the kernel from sd-card? |
| 06:11.47 | DocScrutinizer | keks-n: isn't that what uBoot is all about? |
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| 06:12.01 | keks-n | -_- |
| 06:12.07 | DocScrutinizer | isn't that what boot up each meego ever running out there? |
| 06:13.35 | keks-n | >>Wrong image format for bootm command |
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| 06:14.06 | keks-n | mkimage -A arm -O linux -T kernel -C none -a 0x80008000 -e 0x80008000 -n "Ubuntu" -d ./zImage ./uImage |
| 06:14.26 | keks-n | Where I'm wrong? |
| 06:16.41 | keks-n | $ mkimage -l uImage |
| 06:16.41 | keks-n | Image Name: Ubuntu |
| 06:16.41 | keks-n | Created: Wed Jun 1 10:00:05 2011 |
| 06:16.41 | keks-n | Image Type: ARM Linux Kernel Image (uncompressed) |
| 06:16.41 | keks-n | Data Size: 1601364 Bytes = 1563.83 kB = 1.53 MB |
| 06:16.41 | keks-n | Load Address: 80008000 |
| 06:16.41 | keks-n | Entry Point: 80008000 |
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| 08:13.27 | khertan_ | Hello ! |
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| 08:21.07 | keks-n | damn |
| 08:21.27 | keks-n | ubuntu kernel in the repo doesn't recognize my ext3 partition -_- |
| 08:22.18 | robbiethe1st | Uh, why not? |
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| 08:23.12 | khertan_ | Morning |
| 08:23.18 | khertan_ | X-Fade: are you here ? |
| 08:23.40 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 08:25.04 | Jaffa | khertan_: BTW, Khweeteur 0.5.17-1 doesn't work for me. It starts, but never shows anything. After realising my Twitter account wasn't migrated from the old version, I recreated it. Still no luck. However, in the console I get "Pyside Mobility is not installed or is broken". pyside-mobility is installed & "latest version". What does "broken" mean? |
| 08:25.37 | khertan_ | Jaffa: i can upload to extras devel |
| 08:25.44 | khertan_ | 0.5.24 will fix the problem |
| 08:25.45 | khertan_ | :) |
| 08:25.58 | khertan_ | s/i/if i |
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| 08:27.07 | khertan_ | and morning Jaffa |
| 08:27.07 | khertan_ | :) |
| 08:27.20 | khertan_ | and thx for reporting the error. |
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| 08:28.18 | khertan_ | What does "broken" mean? ... it s mean that a maemo 1.0.1-3 release have wrong dependancies and mix older binary with newer or something like that ... i didn't remember well |
| 08:28.32 | khertan_ | s/maemo/maemo pyside |
| 08:31.57 | keks-n | Hell yeah |
| 08:32.09 | keks-n | I've got login promt on tty7 |
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| 09:16.31 | keks-n | because sshd is broken |
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| 09:17.21 | ruskie | hehe |
| 09:17.55 | keks-n | So I write commands from PC and see the output on the device |
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| 10:47.59 | SpeedEvil | http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2011/may/31/nokia-shares-dive-profit-warning |
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| 10:49.16 | ruskie | SpeedEvil, so basically expected... |
| 10:49.25 | SpeedEvil | Yup. |
| 10:49.40 | SpeedEvil | Anyone not expecting a profits warning hasn't actually been paying attention. |
| 10:49.57 | ruskie | they really did put bullets all over themselves with the WinPho7 blunder |
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| 10:51.49 | Arkenoi | whut, again? |
| 10:53.39 | edheldil | ruskie: interestingly though, the analysts don't see the connection :) |
| 10:54.17 | SpeedEvil | Nokia has 11 billion euro in cash on hand. |
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| 10:54.25 | SpeedEvil | ... |
| 10:54.38 | SpeedEvil | Oh - that's from 2007 |
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| 11:13.40 | MohammadAG | that guy on #meego is lulz |
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| 11:17.36 | keks-n | I think installing ubuntu to the phone from scratch via debootstrap was a bad idea... |
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| 11:18.17 | MohammadAG | took me 12 hours |
| 11:18.22 | MohammadAG | +- 10 |
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| 11:19.41 | keks-n | Now I'm trying to install at least gdm and gnome-session |
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| 11:25.09 | firstorm | can any one help, my phone got abit wet it had been in drying cuppboard for 5 days now, just turned it on and still got no screen, i've plugged the av cable in but get no output on the t.v ! is it dead and need rpairing? |
| 11:25.25 | SpeedEvil | Did you take the battery out? |
| 11:25.54 | firstorm | yup |
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| 11:26.09 | firstorm | took it out had been left open and in there for 5 days give or take! |
| 11:26.20 | firstorm | it boots up cause i got txts msg on it and the keyboard lights up |
| 11:26.21 | SpeedEvil | Clean water? |
| 11:26.30 | firstorm | well it was on a car and it rained |
| 11:26.34 | SpeedEvil | Ah. |
| 11:26.37 | firstorm | but it was like 3 drops of water on it |
| 11:26.42 | SpeedEvil | Odd. |
| 11:26.56 | firstorm | nothing special so i'm going for the fact it's just got mostier ? sp in it! |
| 11:27.07 | firstorm | but there was a wet patch on the screen but thats gone |
| 11:27.09 | SpeedEvil | Moisture. |
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| 11:27.15 | firstorm | thats the word lol |
| 11:27.21 | SpeedEvil | I'd try leaving it for another couple of days. |
| 11:27.42 | SpeedEvil | Water damage would generally not be covered by warranty |
| 11:27.52 | SpeedEvil | The screen can be replaced. |
| 11:27.58 | firstorm | i know! :( and it's not insured either! |
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| 11:28.06 | SpeedEvil | Sorry. |
| 11:28.13 | firstorm | yer not good is it! :( |
| 11:28.24 | firstorm | not to fussy about the phone but got some data on there i need off it! |
| 11:28.32 | SpeedEvil | Is the screen visible at all? |
| 11:28.36 | firstorm | nope get nothing! |
| 11:28.51 | firstorm | so i thought i would plug the phono lead in and i could see it on a tv |
| 11:28.57 | SpeedEvil | I assume you've not setup ssh or whatever? |
| 11:29.20 | firstorm | nar :( |
| 11:29.24 | firstorm | i never got that fa with it lol! |
| 11:29.32 | firstorm | on the 3rd screen in just over a year |
| 11:29.39 | SpeedEvil | Ow. |
| 11:29.43 | firstorm | tell me about it! |
| 11:29.44 | SpeedEvil | AFK - brb |
| 11:30.06 | vldcnst | So what happens if you plug the USB cable? |
| 11:30.16 | firstorm | it beps at me and starts to charge |
| 11:30.48 | firstorm | beeps* |
| 11:31.48 | vldcnst | Hmmm, what kind of data are you trying to backup? |
| 11:32.26 | psycho_oreos | there was some guy who experimented recovering his device after letting it expose to excess amounts of water by putting it into a bucket of rice or something and let the rice soak up the moisture. That is of course after opening the device apart and then letting rice soak up the water |
| 11:32.41 | firstorm | well the laptop died on me so i chucked some video n docs onto the phone till i rebuilt the laptop |
| 11:32.55 | firstorm | and just never transgred it back! |
| 11:33.21 | firstorm | wish the bloody phone would once u plug the usb cable in if ud idn't select option it would auto time out and select one! |
| 11:33.35 | vldcnst | the touch screen is dead too? |
| 11:34.50 | firstorm | well it seems it |
| 11:35.04 | psycho_oreos | the device isn't setup to do that by default, it acts like literally every other nokia phones out there when the user charges the phone when the battery inside the phone is flat. It basically acts dead |
| 11:35.05 | vldcnst | do you have an SD card? |
| 11:35.37 | firstorm | nar cause i was stupid and saved it on the phone lol! |
| 11:36.19 | SpeedEvil | Rice is largely bullshit. |
| 11:36.43 | SpeedEvil | Consider what happens if you put rice out in the air. |
| 11:36.45 | psycho_oreos | I don't think you could call that stupidity, if anything it was laziness that prevented you from transferring the data from the device back. You had to use your phone as a backup medium at that time which was probably a swift choice |
| 11:36.47 | SpeedEvil | Does it become soggy? |
| 11:37.11 | psycho_oreos | I think it just gets a bit softer |
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| 11:37.18 | SpeedEvil | It doesn't really |
| 11:37.46 | SpeedEvil | Notice also that rice is cheaper than silica gel. |
| 11:37.46 | psycho_oreos | then why do people put rice in with salt for example in the cases of shakers? or even garlic salt and stuff like that? |
| 11:37.54 | SpeedEvil | And you don't see packets of rice in electronics. |
| 11:38.09 | firstorm | i've never used rice to dry stuff |
| 11:38.11 | psycho_oreos | its meant to be a backyard alternative, not meant to be the professional's chooice |
| 11:38.15 | firstorm | but i've put salt in a pot in a car before etc! |
| 11:38.19 | SpeedEvil | The rice bangs the salt free |
| 11:38.35 | psycho_oreos | s/chooice/choice/ |
| 11:38.41 | firstorm | but when u cook rice it expends in the water which is the same thing. |
| 11:38.48 | nid0 | well, rice is a dessicant, its just not an amazingly good one |
| 11:39.04 | SpeedEvil | firstorm: But it doesn't expand if you leave it in a humid place. |
| 11:39.10 | vldcnst | how about booting the n900 with the USB cable plugged in, then ctrl+shift+x and then /usr/sbin/osso-usb-mass-storage-enable.sh |
| 11:39.13 | vldcnst | would that work? |
| 11:39.19 | SpeedEvil | Anyway - simply heating for 50C for a couple of days is lots better. |
| 11:39.34 | firstorm | but yes psycho_oreos 100% my problem cause i didn't do it! but that not the poitn here my dad would kick my arse! |
| 11:39.45 | psycho_oreos | vldcnst, minus the fact that the user might have phone/SIM lock enabled on the device? :) |
| 11:40.03 | SpeedEvil | firstorm: Does the device respond to presses on the screen - does the vibrator go on? |
| 11:40.03 | firstorm | i could understand if it sat in water or t was pissing it down silly heavy etc yer but it was not even rain! |
| 11:40.08 | vldcnst | psycho_oreos: he already said he can receive TXT's so I assumed it's not locked |
| 11:40.09 | firstorm | nar lock on the phone |
| 11:40.18 | firstorm | SpeedEvil nope nothing |
| 11:40.40 | firstorm | windows beeps to say it sees that usb cable is plugged in! |
| 11:40.48 | psycho_oreos | firstorm, either way its probably a good idea to let the electronics to dry from the point it was exposed to water/moisture |
| 11:41.15 | firstorm | psycho_oreos i have it's been in the airing cuppboard for 6 days |
| 11:41.22 | firstorm | i get nokia song on load up |
| 11:41.25 | firstorm | keyboard lights up |
| 11:41.34 | firstorm | just no screen :( |
| 11:41.46 | psycho_oreos | vldcnst, interesting maybe certain other parts were affected |
| 11:41.57 | nid0 | well, you've obviously got several broke bits, as well as the screen |
| 11:42.09 | vldcnst | firstorm: where did the water enter the n900? |
| 11:42.12 | firstorm | but it boots up ok! and it seems happy lol! |
| 11:42.12 | nid0 | if you got no working tv out or touch response |
| 11:42.28 | psycho_oreos | firstorm, I meant pulling the device apart and drying but meh. It's probably too late, you might not even have touch screen functionality if you touched the screen and the vibrator or speaker does not make noises |
| 11:43.00 | firstorm | it was screen up on top of a car |
| 11:43.02 | firstorm | closed! |
| 11:43.24 | firstorm | see it's charging and i get keyboard lights |
| 11:43.35 | firstorm | just seems like the screen has died! |
| 11:43.49 | psycho_oreos | have you tried touch screen functionality? |
| 11:44.19 | firstorm | yer |
| 11:44.20 | firstorm | lol |
| 11:44.37 | firstorm | in theory if i press some where down the bottom i should be able to select what usb mode i want |
| 11:44.45 | nid0 | obvious question, does the keyboard actually work? |
| 11:44.56 | firstorm | well i can press buttons |
| 11:45.00 | firstorm | but no screen so i can't tell lol |
| 11:45.10 | nid0 | did you actually try the advice given by vldcnst a while ago? |
| 11:45.24 | nid0 | if the device boots, and the keyboard works, you can just launch xterm and enable mass storage mode |
| 11:45.32 | vldcnst | nid0: not sure he can close the select usb mode thingy |
| 11:45.38 | vldcnst | nid0: without a touchscreen |
| 11:45.39 | firstorm | but i cant see what i'm doing. |
| 11:45.57 | SpeedEvil | firstorm: open keyboard, wait for led to turn off. |
| 11:46.01 | SpeedEvil | press key |
| 11:46.32 | firstorm | but if the usb mode is still open? surley u can only clear that but clicking on screen |
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| 11:48.33 | SpeedEvil | I can't clear it with the keyboard, yes. |
| 11:48.51 | firstorm | so that means if it's still up i can't do nothing with it? |
| 11:48.56 | firstorm | cause the phone can't multi task? |
| 11:49.03 | SpeedEvil | It can. |
| 11:49.11 | SpeedEvil | It's just that that's a system modal dialog. |
| 11:49.15 | nid0 | is the device set to auto connect to any net connection? |
| 11:49.20 | SpeedEvil | And it's meant not to take keypresses. |
| 11:49.32 | Venemo | good morning |
| 11:49.45 | firstorm | it might auto connect to my wireless infact |
| 11:49.53 | firstorm | cause it's got no sim in it so can't find 3g. |
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| 11:50.16 | nid0 | if so and you've got a keyoard, you can just install openssh then scp your files from it |
| 11:50.32 | nid0 | even if not, you can still bring up a wifi connection then do that, its just a bit more complex |
| 11:50.46 | firstorm | so really what they need is to create a set of key presses that would automatically let u select mass storage device! |
| 11:50.48 | firstorm | hmm |
| 11:50.57 | vldcnst | SpeedEvil: what does ctrl+shift+n do? |
| 11:50.59 | firstorm | so does the av output run through the screen? |
| 11:51.15 | SpeedEvil | In principle, you could flash a 'rescue' image that'd let you login |
| 11:51.18 | firstorm | because when i cracked the screen before i could plug in av and i could see it! |
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| 11:52.21 | SpeedEvil | The AV output does not 'run through thte screen' |
| 11:52.35 | SpeedEvil | But eactly how the jack is enabled is a bit comlex. |
| 11:52.47 | firstorm | dam smart phones lol! |
| 11:53.01 | firstorm | let me fire up some sort of network scanner then! see if it's picked the phone up! |
| 11:53.15 | nid0 | your router would probably be the easiest to check |
| 11:53.56 | firstorm | yer for some reason router doesn't detect stuff connected via wireless :S got a seperate ap |
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| 11:57.06 | firstorm | nope not connected to wireless :( |
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| 12:00.00 | firstorm | whats next step then lol :( |
| 12:01.19 | firstorm | SpeedEvil? |
| 12:01.47 | SpeedEvil | I don't have a good suggestion. |
| 12:01.48 | vldcnst | SpeedEvil: how about doing a ctrl+shift+x and then sleep 10; /usr/sbin/osso-usb-mass-storage-enable.sh and then plug USB cable? |
| 12:02.04 | SpeedEvil | In principle, you could reflash an image which would let you access the data over USB without the dialog. |
| 12:02.29 | SpeedEvil | vldcnst: I have not tried that - in principle that - or something similar - might work |
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| 12:03.05 | cityLights | ha ha back at this hot contry |
| 12:03.13 | firstorm | vldcnst should work? |
| 12:03.23 | vldcnst | firstorm: maybe. |
| 12:03.35 | cityLights | so, are there any news DocScrutinizer ? |
| 12:03.36 | firstorm | what does the ctrl shift x do then? |
| 12:03.39 | cityLights | new CSSU? |
| 12:03.46 | vldcnst | firstorm: it opens up a terminal |
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| 12:04.56 | firstorm | ah ok! |
| 12:05.06 | firstorm | is there anything i could write to make it beep so i know it works? |
| 12:06.52 | nid0 | you could reboot the device from terminal, thatll let you know you had it open |
| 12:07.15 | nid0 | if you've got espeak installed you can have the device respond to you |
| 12:07.34 | firstorm | nar nothings installed on this phone :( |
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| 12:08.24 | vldcnst | can he even run the mass storage script without gainroot? |
| 12:09.17 | nid0 | probably not |
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| 12:09.36 | nid0 | I generally kind of assume that rootsh is an installed pre-requisite on any n900 though |
| 12:09.53 | SpeedEvil | apt-get install sshd |
| 12:09.54 | SpeedEvil | then |
| 12:09.59 | SpeedEvil | err |
| 12:10.02 | SpeedEvil | sshd-client-server |
| 12:10.06 | nid0 | he has no wifi up |
| 12:10.09 | SpeedEvil | then type in the password you want |
| 12:10.11 | SpeedEvil | oh |
| 12:10.19 | nid0 | so hes gotta sort that out via shell first |
| 12:10.27 | firstorm | picks n900 up and lunches it across the room! |
| 12:10.53 | firstorm | :( |
| 12:10.55 | keks-n | -_- |
| 12:11.06 | firstorm | its ok it landed on my bed lol! |
| 12:11.09 | nid0 | mmm, lunch |
| 12:11.14 | firstorm | lol i saw that nid0 |
| 12:11.20 | firstorm | :( i'm thinking of food thats why! |
| 12:11.29 | firstorm | urm vldcnst tried that nothing! |
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| 12:22.05 | vldcnst | firstorm: I think the easiest way would be to plug a microsd card and ctrl+shift+x and cp |
| 12:23.01 | firstorm | but i don't know file names / folders |
| 12:24.12 | vldcnst | firstorm: cp -r /home/user/MyDocs /media/mmc1 |
| 12:24.45 | firstorm | ty! |
| 12:24.54 | firstorm | see i dont' mind sending it back but i know they would format it! |
| 12:24.55 | firstorm | :( |
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| 13:15.40 | nusse | hi there |
| 13:16.02 | nusse | anyone using syncevolution on the n900 and might share the config? |
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| 13:29.38 | hiemanshu | so is there a git client for N900? or is there a guide to set up an environment to compile stuff for the N900 |
| 13:30.48 | lcuk | http://developer.meego.com/ |
| 13:31.26 | hiemanshu | meego? isn't this the maemo channel? |
| 13:31.59 | merlin1991 | hiemanshu: there's git in the extras repo |
| 13:32.04 | lcuk | :O |
| 13:32.10 | lcuk | hiemanshu, lol yeah sorry |
| 13:32.27 | lcuk | http://maemo.org/development/ |
| 13:33.02 | hiemanshu | merlin1991: I dont seem to find it for some reason |
| 13:33.02 | merlin1991 | ~sdk |
| 13:33.03 | infobot | The Palm SDK is now public, and can be downloaded from http://developer.palm.com |
| 13:33.06 | merlin1991 | arf |
| 13:33.12 | merlin1991 | ~scratchbox |
| 13:33.12 | infobot | it has been said that scratchbox is a cross-compiling system that uses binfmt_misc, rpc calls, and an nfs mount to make a cross-build appear to be 100% native, and is found at http://www.scratchbox.org/ |
| 13:33.15 | merlin1991 | fu |
| 13:33.28 | merlin1991 | the installer link was in there at some point I'm sure |
| 13:33.48 | merlin1991 | well |
| 13:33.51 | merlin1991 | hiemanshu: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Final_SDK_Installation |
| 13:34.05 | merlin1991 | that would be the environment to compile for the n900 |
| 13:34.10 | nusse | apt-get install git |
| 13:34.19 | hiemanshu | merlin1991: yeah, I am reading that |
| 13:34.50 | hiemanshu | nusse: apt-cache search git doesn't show it |
| 13:35.06 | merlin1991 | hiemanshu: do you have -devel enabled? |
| 13:35.13 | hiemanshu | nope |
| 13:35.18 | merlin1991 | it's only in devel |
| 13:35.28 | hiemanshu | merlin1991: ah ok, you said it was in extra |
| 13:35.32 | merlin1991 | you can choose between http://maemo.org/packages/view/git/ and http://maemo.org/packages/view/git-core/ |
| 13:35.47 | merlin1991 | extras is -devel for me nowadays :D |
| 13:35.58 | merlin1991 | the 2nd contrains a more recent version afaik |
| 13:36.05 | merlin1991 | s/contrains/contains/ |
| 13:37.05 | hiemanshu | merlin1991: ah, ok |
| 13:37.21 | hiemanshu | well I just got the N900 a few days ago, a month old one from a friend |
| 13:37.24 | hiemanshu | so far loving it :) |
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| 13:38.08 | hiemanshu | I know rpm packaging, humm, should learn packaging debs too |
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| 13:39.27 | hiemanshu | merlin1991: so do -devel actually break your system in a way that can't be fixed without reflashing? because being a fedora dev, we always have a way around |
| 13:39.32 | hiemanshu | s/do/does |
| 13:40.21 | merlin1991 | you can fix pretty much everything with reflashing, and most things without too |
| 13:40.46 | merlin1991 | but devel also contains stuff like ic2-tools wich can brick your phone |
| 13:41.28 | merlin1991 | s/ic2/i2c |
| 13:41.39 | hiemanshu | yeah well I can stay away from that for sure |
| 13:42.51 | merlin1991 | as long as you stay away from installing random stuff, and only upate packages you need to update you're save with -devel |
| 13:44.00 | hiemanshu | but installing random stuff and bricking your phone is fun </sarcasm> |
| 13:44.18 | hiemanshu | merlin1991: I will take care of that :) |
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| 13:48.51 | merlin1991 | hiemanshu: you might be interested in http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/ |
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| 13:51.24 | hiemanshu | merlin1991: sounds awesome |
| 13:52.08 | hiemanshu | this is a secondary phone, basically no calls, no texts, so I can pretty much do anything with it :) |
| 13:54.00 | merlin1991 | I have the CSSU installed on my primary (only) phone :) |
| 13:54.47 | BCMM | same, though mine is broken |
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| 13:55.05 | BCMM | (i should point out that i don't think CSSU is what caused the USB port to fall off) |
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| 13:57.12 | hiemanshu | BCMM: you are the 5th person to tell me that the USB port is breaking, I wonder why that happens |
| 13:57.28 | BCMM | hiemanshu: it's pretty much a known issue now |
| 13:57.39 | BCMM | it just isn't soldered down very well |
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| 13:57.49 | BCMM | nokia replaces them if that happens, though |
| 13:57.57 | hiemanshu | BCMM: yeah, but is it mishandling or just nokia's fault |
| 13:58.40 | BCMM | hiemanshu: well, it's not durable. |
| 13:59.26 | BCMM | probably doesn't break if you are extremely careful of it; on the other hand, other phones' ports won't break even if you do use them a lot |
| 14:00.52 | hiemanshu | BCMM: makes sense |
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| 14:02.01 | hiemanshu | if only the processor on this thing was faster |
| 14:02.21 | an0therb0x | hello.. is it possible to sync my contacts from the n900 to google contacts ? |
| 14:03.38 | keks-n | Sync it with outlook first |
| 14:03.43 | keks-n | via PC Suite |
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| 14:12.56 | hiemanshu | BCMM: well technically you dont need a USB port, just get another battery, and one of those universal chargers, and you are set :D |
| 14:13.19 | hiemanshu | as far as syncing is concerned, scp++ |
| 14:13.46 | KrayoN900 | everytime you swap you have to power down though :-( |
| 14:14.24 | hiemanshu | well yeah, its better than spending some $$ every month, esp if its a secondary phone |
| 14:14.30 | rm3l | Hi - did someone ever found a working solution on how to set up a Google Apps account as an Exchange account within N900? |
| 14:14.49 | KrayoN900 | i have to swap once or twice on a day i don't have a usb port handy :-/ |
| 14:15.13 | hiemanshu | KrayoN900: the battery is that low? |
| 14:16.17 | KrayoN900 | yeah n900 power doesn't do good once you're using 3G and bluetooth all day |
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| 14:16.40 | KrayoN900 | i always have ogg podcasts playing and am usually connected with 3G |
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| 14:17.58 | hiemanshu | ah |
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| 14:18.21 | hiemanshu | well with 2G data all day long here, I get about a day and half, but I dont use it to listen to music or anything |
| 14:18.22 | KrayoN900 | i listen to them with bluetooth headphones too |
| 14:18.26 | KrayoN900 | it all adds up |
| 14:18.27 | hiemanshu | I have an iphone for that |
| 14:18.59 | KrayoN900 | when I bought my girlfriend one I was so surprised because she gets days out of her battery :-P |
| 14:20.37 | hiemanshu | yeah, but I dont have music playing all day long |
| 14:20.41 | hiemanshu | my computer does that for me |
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| 14:23.18 | hiemanshu | if only there was something in python, I could help develop to |
| 14:25.11 | BCMM | shiny new n900! |
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| 14:27.16 | BCMM | so, how should i go about restoring things? will restoring a package list from the backup app get me back to CSSU or do i want to to do that first? |
| 14:27.47 | KrayoN900 | damn, i accidentally dismissed a dialog when i started midori. let's hope it wasn't important :-/ |
| 14:28.45 | hiemanshu | is any part of maemo in python at all? |
| 14:29.43 | BCMM | hiemanshu: what are you counting as "maemo"? |
| 14:29.45 | trx | i hope not |
| 14:29.53 | hiemanshu | BCMM: the base system |
| 14:29.58 | BCMM | trx: why, what's wrong with python? |
| 14:30.32 | trx | nothing, i just wouldnt like parts of the kernel in python |
| 14:30.33 | trx | :) |
| 14:30.58 | BCMM | hiemanshu: i happen to have a just-out-of-the-box n900 here, and it hasn't even got python installed |
| 14:31.09 | hiemanshu | BCMM: ah |
| 14:31.14 | hiemanshu | BCMM: that means no |
| 14:31.16 | hiemanshu | :/ |
| 14:31.30 | hiemanshu | I know Qt and Python |
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| 14:32.00 | BCMM | hiemanshu: as in PyQt, or as in C++ too? |
| 14:33.21 | hiemanshu | BCMM: pretty good with PyQt, and quite a bit of C++ plus, still learning C++ |
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| 14:58.57 | hiemanshu | what is the difference between the generic and the country wise firmwares |
| 15:00.12 | Jaffa | hiemanshu: Not much |
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| 15:00.27 | hiemanshu | for one I know the Indian firmware doesn't have skype |
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| 15:26.46 | hiemanshu | w00t, my PyQt apps run just fine on the phone, I just need to make the GUI for a 800 x 480 size |
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| 15:34.01 | MohammadAG | can someone paste the output of lshal | grep battery.charge_level.capacity_state on a non low battery device? |
| 15:34.20 | MohammadAG | or is there a way to find all possible values? |
| 15:39.36 | MohammadAG | pokes merlin1991 |
| 15:39.49 | merlin1991 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:39.54 | merlin1991 | instead of non low battery device |
| 15:39.58 | merlin1991 | can do, gimme a sec |
| 15:39.58 | MohammadAG | :p |
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| 15:40.29 | MohammadAG | I'd guess possible values are "low" and "full" but not sure what in between is |
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| 15:40.50 | bindi | 'ok' |
| 15:40.55 | merlin1991 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:41.01 | merlin1991 | :D |
| 15:41.33 | merlin1991 | battery icon shows about 1/5 missing |
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| 15:42.07 | bindi | i've 4 bars |
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| 15:49.08 | MohammadAG | ok? -.- |
| 15:49.20 | MohammadAG | that's probably the stupidest string to have, but oh well |
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| 15:53.47 | GAN900 | Wee, out of the ER with some anti-nausea drugs. |
| 15:53.57 | GAN900 | Finally going to get out of California. |
| 15:54.05 | SpeedEvil | GAN900: Congratulations! |
| 15:54.30 | GAN900 | iknorite? |
| 15:54.42 | GAN900 | Stuoid foreigners and their diseases. |
| 15:54.48 | SpeedEvil | Plague? |
| 15:55.18 | GAN900 | suspects the Finns. |
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| 15:56.33 | SpeedEvil | http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F70F1EFE395911738DDDAB0894D9415B828CF1D3 |
| 15:56.45 | SpeedEvil | The information given out by the Marine Hospital Service that since Feb. 22 there have been thirty-one deaths from bubonic plague in San Francisco |
| 15:58.25 | GAN900 | Shit |
| 15:58.28 | GAN900 | Well, no sores. |
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| 16:09.28 | hiemanshu | is there like a Qt Designer template for the N900? |
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| 16:10.22 | MohammadAG | hiemanshu, no, should there be one? |
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| 16:11.23 | hiemanshu | MohammadAG: well it would be easier for most people to use it as a starting point, I could probably write one |
| 16:11.42 | hiemanshu | is porting some of his basic PyQt apps to the N900 |
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| 16:22.05 | BCMM | any idea what i'm doing wrong with making my SSH keys work again on this new phone? |
| 16:22.20 | BCMM | i've restored /home/user/.ssh/ and /etc/ssh/ |
| 16:22.25 | BCMM | and fixed /etc/passwd |
| 16:22.30 | BCMM | what have i missed? |
| 16:22.47 | BCMM | (it still asks for a pass when i try to log in) |
| 16:23.16 | MohammadAG | just use ssh-copy-id |
| 16:24.32 | BCMM | MohammadAG: restoring /home/user/.ssh/ should really achieve that |
| 16:24.59 | BCMM | also, wouldn't i first have to create a password for user so i could log in? |
| 16:25.20 | BCMM | oh i bet i know what happened |
| 16:25.30 | BCMM | i bet the backup app set the wrong permissions on .ssh/ |
| 16:25.44 | BCMM | yep, 0777 |
| 16:26.30 | MohammadAG | BCMM, sure it's not /root/.ssh? |
| 16:26.37 | BCMM | MohammadAG: trying to log in as user here |
| 16:26.44 | MohammadAG | oh |
| 16:26.48 | BCMM | i used to be able to ssh user@n900, and it would work |
| 16:27.59 | BCMM | this did involve modifying /etc/passwd |
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| 16:29.15 | BCMM | fixed permissions and restarted sshd and it's still broken... |
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| 16:31.05 | BCMM | argh, why not parellel fetch in HAM? |
| 16:31.12 | BCMM | ^no parallel |
| 16:36.01 | BCMM | ah! fixed somehow |
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| 16:37.43 | BCMM | the backup app really needs to preserve permissions in the settings backup, and the user account being locked is just weird </rant> |
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| 17:18.31 | MohammadAG | Jaffa, may I suggest offline_access for future versions of Hermes? |
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| 18:35.48 | divodurum | hi |
| 18:36.03 | divodurum | how do i install msn on n900 |
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| 18:40.19 | SpeedEvil | msn? |
| 18:40.41 | divodurum | yeah |
| 18:40.49 | divodurum | mesenger |
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| 18:43.54 | divodurum | no clue eh |
| 18:44.18 | ruskie | pidgin or the protocols for telepathy |
| 18:44.58 | ruskie | look in the app manager |
| 18:45.01 | ruskie | should be able to find it |
| 18:45.01 | Choom | I use MSN (Pecam) |
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| 18:45.13 | Choom | works decently, doesn't support multiple logins though |
| 18:46.29 | Choom | s/pecam/pecan |
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| 18:47.11 | BCMM | msn has multiple login now? |
| 18:47.31 | Choom | has had for a while |
| 18:47.44 | Choom | you can login from multiple places at the same time |
| 18:48.16 | Choom | unfortunately, logging in from my phone logs me out from everywhere else, that's the only downside of MSN (Pecan) for me, and it doesn't bother me much |
| 18:48.25 | ruskie | really no reason with jabber with a jabber msn transport |
| 18:48.36 | ruskie | if you still actually use anything other than jabber that is |
| 18:49.30 | Choom | everyone I know is on MSN and only a select few are on jabber, so MSN makes more sense as a default choice |
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| 18:50.43 | Necc | and sadly, noone of the apps out there actually supports network change (wifi<>2G/3G) without a high change to fail |
| 18:51.16 | Choom | what do you mean by fail? |
| 18:51.52 | Choom | I have no problems with the transition, when I leave home the phone automatically switches to the mobile network and the clients reconnect |
| 18:52.09 | Choom | as soon as it finds an access point that it knows, it switches back to it |
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| 18:52.37 | Necc | case 1) when i change wifi<>2G/3G it simply doesn't even tries to reconnect automatically case 2) MSN tries to reconnect, but with sometime with a chance, it simply fails (gives up too early) and it doesn't even tries anymore |
| 18:53.12 | Choom | do you have automatic mobile network connections enabled? |
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| 18:53.20 | Necc | yes |
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| 18:53.34 | Choom | MSN (Pecan) never fails to reconnect for me |
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| 18:54.21 | Necc | MSN (pecan) fails to reconnect after a specific timeout, and never ever retries until another wifi<>2G/3G switch comes |
| 18:55.02 | Venemo_ | Necc, neither MSN plugins work correctly, but I think butterfly is the least broken |
| 18:55.17 | Necc | same applies to MSN (haze), MSN, Skype, and even occasionly to OVI |
| 18:55.28 | Choom | that's not my experience with it, I don't think I've ever seen it fail, in fact up until the latest version it would even fight with my windows client over the connection |
| 18:56.01 | Necc | all MSN apps for maemo simply sucks, it doesn't works as expected, and years ago now, nobody attempted to fix it normally -.- |
| 18:56.18 | Choom | are you sure it's not a network issue? |
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| 18:56.38 | Venemo | Necc, newer versions of butterfly should work, the problem is that noone cares for updating it. |
| 18:56.42 | Choom | I'm asking this because I've been using MSN (Pecan) for a year and have never seen it disconnect unless there was no network access |
| 18:56.51 | Necc | Choom, cause a timeout for login, somehow (like force 2G) and you will see all MSN on the N900 chainfailing |
| 18:57.04 | Choom | I'm asking this because I've been using MSN (Pecan) *disconnect* for a year and have never seen it disconnect unless there was no network access |
| 18:57.14 | Necc | i am 100% sure it is not a network issue |
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| 18:57.35 | Necc | it is 1) application design fail 2) bug (timeout, and after no automatic re-attempts) |
| 18:57.36 | Choom | that could be it then, I'm 3.5G covered everywhere where I live |
| 18:57.52 | Necc | where i live, i got 2.5G only |
| 18:58.09 | Venemo | Necc, Pecan is just crap |
| 18:58.24 | Necc | the only one perfect application so far is X-fire for the situation, but it doesn't exist for N900 |
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| 18:58.31 | divodurum | hey, what about openarena |
| 18:58.45 | divodurum | hwhere to get it for example |
| 18:59.07 | Choom | vodafone is stable enough here to use IRC over ssh without many issues |
| 18:59.12 | Necc | Venemo, MSN (all versions for telepathy), pidgin, aMSN, etc, all MSN app simply fails to work fully-automatized |
| 18:59.22 | SpeedEvil | Choom: Except battery. |
| 18:59.58 | Venemo | Necc, I see, but Butterfly works correctly on my laptop. so I assume that it has been fixed, and the N900 version is just too old |
| 19:00.04 | Choom | yeah, I can run out of battery in an afternoon's worth of excessive usage |
| 19:00.09 | rm3l | Hi guys - Has anyone of you ever found a working solution on how to set up Google Apps as an Exchange account on N900? Thanks for sharing any experience! |
| 19:00.54 | Venemo | Choom, hehe, yeah |
| 19:01.37 | MohammadAG | I use Haze |
| 19:02.16 | Macer | word |
| 19:02.35 | divodurum | where can i download haze |
| 19:02.41 | Macer | rm3l: google apps? |
| 19:03.24 | Venemo | divodurum, extras-devel |
| 19:03.33 | rm3l | Macer: I mean, an existing Google Apps account! |
| 19:03.53 | Macer | rm3l: only way i was able to sync google was to use mail for exchange for contacts |
| 19:04.02 | Macer | imap for mail |
| 19:04.13 | Necc | the only one 99.9% fix workaround to make MSN-telepathy work, is to install 2 different edition of MSN, and install "Automatic connection" and set up for example MSN (haze) to be connected when you are on 2G/3G, and connect to MSN(pecan) when you are connected to anything else network. So far, this work for me |
| 19:04.22 | Macer | and ermining for calendar |
| 19:06.10 | Macer | using mail for exchange by itself didnt work well |
| 19:06.23 | Necc | btw Venemo, did you noticed decreased accuracy when you use location service of telepathy? |
| 19:06.36 | divodurum | where can i dl pecan, lol |
| 19:06.55 | Venemo | Necc, I wasn't aware that telepathy has a location service |
| 19:07.09 | rm3l | Macer: Tried to do that, but I was wondering if one had ever used the ' Exchange' setup capability in N900 Settings! |
| 19:07.17 | Venemo | divodurum, extras or extras-devel |
| 19:07.20 | Macer | rm3l: it half works |
| 19:07.23 | Macer | if at all |
| 19:07.36 | Necc | then whatever use "My location" |
| 19:07.47 | rm3l | Macer: Anyway, thanks for the ideas - will try to do the same! |
| 19:07.55 | Venemo | Necc, ? |
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| 19:08.58 | divodurum | ehm. |
| 19:09.09 | divodurum | extras-devel? |
| 19:09.20 | Venemo | Necc, so far I've only tried ovi maps, but the GPS eats away the battery so quickly that I didn't find any normal use case for it |
| 19:09.32 | Venemo | Necc, I only use it when I'm completely lost |
| 19:09.51 | Macer | rm3l: it was the only way i was able to do it |
| 19:10.06 | Macer | i really wish mail for exchange worked fully with google |
| 19:10.15 | Necc | it uses network based positioning only, and you loose unnoticable usage time with it |
| 19:10.35 | Macer | Venemo: ovi is horrible |
| 19:10.42 | Macer | all maemo gps apps are horrible heh |
| 19:11.42 | Choom | Necc: I repeat, that's not the experience I have with MSN (Pecan) |
| 19:11.45 | Necc | except sygic... it is somewhat-useable |
| 19:11.50 | Venemo | so, which GPS app is the best? |
| 19:11.59 | Choom | when the phone auto-switches from one network to the other, MSN stays down for like 10 seconds |
| 19:12.16 | Choom | and has never failed to reconnect back |
| 19:12.21 | Macer | ovi maps |
| 19:12.23 | Macer | heh |
| 19:12.42 | Necc | Choom, and if it timeouts at login, it stays at that state |
| 19:12.46 | Macer | bbl |
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| 19:14.11 | Choom | Necc: the only case where it stays down (and that was a recent addition) is when I log in from elsewhere, and I actually like that behavior |
| 19:14.46 | Choom | Necc: as soon as I leave my home network and the phone auto-switches to mobile net it reconnects back |
| 19:14.56 | divodurum | is there any ms paint like application around? |
| 19:15.20 | divodurum | i have the mypaint but dont really like it |
| 19:15.37 | Venemo | divodurum, sure: build-in "Sketch" app, mypaint, and penpen |
| 19:15.53 | hiemanshu | how much do new N900s cost? |
| 19:16.11 | divodurum | cant get colors on penpen/sketch |
| 19:16.23 | Venemo | heh? |
| 19:16.26 | divodurum | mypaint seems to "lag" a bit |
| 19:16.42 | divodurum | i draw something and wait for it to appear on screen |
| 19:17.08 | divodurum | i got mine for 180€ |
| 19:17.18 | divodurum | used one though |
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| 19:22.02 | hiemanshu | divodurum: how old? |
| 19:22.46 | Venemo | heh |
| 19:22.56 | Venemo | I tried both butterfly and pecan... neither one accepts my password |
| 19:22.58 | Venemo | LoL |
| 19:23.07 | kerio | League of Legends? |
| 19:23.16 | Venemo | kerio :) |
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| 19:24.54 | hiemanshu | Venemo: I installed accounts-plugin-haze or something like that |
| 19:25.01 | hiemanshu | and everything works fine for me |
| 19:25.12 | divodurum | 1 year old |
| 19:25.26 | divodurum | so 1 year warranty left |
| 19:25.47 | hiemanshu | mine is like a month or so old |
| 19:25.51 | hiemanshu | I got it for $210 |
| 19:25.55 | divodurum | ive had this for only few days but seems to be in mint condition |
| 19:26.07 | divodurum | wow, nice |
| 19:26.24 | hiemanshu | I still need to get a microsd card for it |
| 19:26.26 | divodurum | well, everything costs you shitloads in finland |
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| 19:26.47 | Venemo | hiemanshu, microsd? what for? 32 GB isn't enough for ya? |
| 19:27.07 | divodurum | you installing nitroid or something? |
| 19:27.24 | hiemanshu | Venemo: I am going to try nitdroid, fedora, meego on it |
| 19:27.32 | Venemo | divodurum, me? nitdroid? NEVER! |
| 19:27.58 | divodurum | no that was meant for hueman |
| 19:28.05 | divodurum | hieman i mean |
| 19:28.18 | Venemo | no problem |
| 19:28.26 | Venemo | nitdroid is utter crap |
| 19:28.48 | divodurum | anyways you can have both installed so i see no prob in that |
| 19:28.55 | hiemanshu | well its fun because I want to see why everyone likes droid so much |
| 19:29.07 | Venemo | okay, nor Butterfly, nor Haze, neither Pecan accepts my password |
| 19:29.09 | divodurum | theres nice applications for android which could be worth a try |
| 19:29.59 | divodurum | if you have overclocked n900 and use nitroid for that android psx emulator you'll prolly get close to full speed |
| 19:31.22 | Venemo | overclock? YUCK |
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| 19:32.30 | Macer | hm |
| 19:32.46 | Macer | i am wondering if i should make the attempt to work on this cups stuff again |
| 19:34.27 | divodurum | hey btw, i tried yoshis island on drnoksnes and clouldnt get it to start |
| 19:34.37 | divodurum | only a black screen |
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| 19:59.48 | Venemo | hm |
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| 20:05.01 | Venemo | I added my facebook account to my voip and IM accounts in my N900 |
| 20:05.22 | Venemo | it retrieves photos for my contacts, but all of them are extemely ugly low-res crap |
| 20:05.25 | alecjw | hi there, the card reader in my N900's died since i dropped it in the toilet. it does't show up at all in the file manager or in /dev. anyone know what might be worth trying? |
| 20:05.38 | Venemo | alecjw, warranty repair |
| 20:05.50 | alecjw | and my magnet isn't gone, although i'm starting to think maybe the magnetic sensor is |
| 20:06.08 | SpeedEvil | alecjw: How long did you leave it to dry with the batteyr out? |
| 20:06.30 | alecjw | Venemo: any more honest way of doing it? :P i doubt the warranty covers accidental damage |
| 20:06.42 | Venemo | alecjw, just don't tell them about the accident |
| 20:07.22 | alecjw | SpeedEvil: it was quite a while ago, so i don't really remember for sure. but i think it was about 24 hours. i sprayed the insides with IPA too just to make sure the last drops of water were gone |
| 20:07.56 | SpeedEvil | alecjw: I'd want to dry it for a bit more - thought the IPA is probably a good plan |
| 20:08.08 | SpeedEvil | Though IPA can kill some plastics |
| 20:08.18 | jacekowski | i killed my laptop screen that way |
| 20:08.23 | jacekowski | front part of it was ok |
| 20:08.24 | SpeedEvil | The SIM works? |
| 20:08.37 | alecjw | yeah, everything else works fine, it's just the SD card reader |
| 20:08.39 | jacekowski | but somehow it got in between many layers deeper inside of lcd |
| 20:08.44 | vldcnst | n900 and water, starting to become a trend |
| 20:09.06 | SpeedEvil | Also - was this a 'pre' or a 'post' toilet? |
| 20:09.08 | alecjw | this happened months ago, at the time i gave up and just told myself i was an idiot and would have to live without an SD card reader |
| 20:09.21 | SpeedEvil | Oh |
| 20:09.40 | SpeedEvil | 'my magnet is gone' - you mean it thinks the back is off? |
| 20:09.45 | SpeedEvil | Then it will unmount the SD |
| 20:09.46 | alecjw | the toilet hadn't been used since the last flush if that's what you mean :P |
| 20:09.51 | SpeedEvil | Eww |
| 20:09.54 | SpeedEvil | Ah |
| 20:09.59 | SpeedEvil | parsed that wrong. |
| 20:10.25 | alecjw | the magnet's there, i can see it behind the stand whatsit |
| 20:10.33 | SpeedEvil | Umm |
| 20:10.44 | alecjw | but i'm starting to think the hall effect sensor or whatever it is might be gone |
| 20:10.47 | Venemo | LoL |
| 20:12.03 | alecjw | the fact that the SD card reader completely dissapeared from /dev rather than corrupting data and stuff seems to imply to me that it's something wrong with the sensor |
| 20:12.34 | alecjw | or is that a silly assumption? |
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| 20:14.30 | SpeedEvil | no |
| 20:14.57 | SpeedEvil | I'm tired - and not finding where the switch readout shoudl be in /sys |
| 20:15.18 | SpeedEvil | it's not in /sys/devices/platform/gpio-switch/ wehre I'd expect it |
| 20:15.51 | alecjw | ooh its in /sys eh? i'll have a look |
| 20:16.18 | alecjw | or could /proc/acpi be worth trying? |
| 20:16.23 | SpeedEvil | no |
| 20:16.26 | SpeedEvil | It's not a PC |
| 20:16.28 | SpeedEvil | no ACPI |
| 20:16.51 | alecjw | good point |
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| 20:24.23 | alecjw | SpeedEvil: couldnt it be /sys/devices/platform/gpio-switch/proximity? |
| 20:24.30 | alecjw | it always says open for me |
| 20:24.49 | vldcnst | alecjw: thats the front sensor |
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| 20:24.59 | alecjw | oh right |
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| 20:26.55 | SpeedEvil | No. |
| 20:27.03 | SpeedEvil | /sys/class/mmc_host/mmc0/cover_switch |
| 20:27.09 | Venemo | anyone tried the app called Hermes? |
| 20:27.25 | hiemanshu | is it possible to backup install of apps I have installed via apt-get and then reinstall them once I reflash |
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| 20:27.48 | Venemo | hiemanshu, yes, use the app called Backup |
| 20:28.08 | Venemo | hiemanshu, make with it a new backup and check the option to save the app list |
| 20:28.19 | hiemanshu | Venemo: ah cool |
| 20:28.23 | hiemanshu | is a new user |
| 20:28.25 | DocScrutinizer51 | hiemanshu: see my apt-get wrapper on wiki/user:joerg_rw/tools |
| 20:29.01 | DocScrutinizer51 | Venemo: might fail for apps installed via apt-get |
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| 20:29.19 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer51: cool thanks |
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| 20:30.35 | hiemanshu | I installed multiboot and it screwed up kernel-power settings, the installation should actually search for it and use it |
| 20:30.48 | hiemanshu | instead of the default kernel |
| 20:30.55 | DocScrutinizer51 | see /topic |
| 20:31.16 | DocScrutinizer51 | it's there for some reason ;-) |
| 20:31.33 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer51: I have seen it, but just a suggestion, if I knew deb packaging I could have done it |
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| 20:31.59 | DocScrutinizer51 | hiemanshu: multiboot is fubar |
| 20:32.12 | DocScrutinizer51 | by design |
| 20:32.30 | hiemanshu | DocScrutinizer51: what is suggested to be used then? |
| 20:33.22 | alecjw | SpeedEvil: thanks! i just tried it and it is working. i guess i've wrecked my card reader then |
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| 20:33.51 | DocScrutinizer51 | a baseball bat to make nitridiot devels comply with uBoot |
| 20:33.55 | alecjw | don't suppose anyone knows if nokia can check for water damage? |
| 20:34.42 | DocScrutinizer51 | they can, believe me. But they may just not care |
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| 20:35.42 | hiemanshu | w00t, I managed to screw up my install :D |
| 20:36.17 | hiemanshu | so everytime I flash I have to flash both the eMMC and fiasco image? |
| 20:37.25 | DocScrutinizer51 | no |
| 20:37.39 | DocScrutinizer51 | eMMC usually not needed |
| 20:38.53 | SpeedEvil | alecjw: As far as I see it - the power supply to the mmc just goes straight from the main power managment chip. |
| 20:39.18 | SpeedEvil | I'd wonder if a careful cleaning of the SD contacts - maybe bendin them out a hair - may help. Also - you have replaced the SD? |
| 20:39.22 | divodurum | so, hey |
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| 20:39.49 | divodurum | if i want a working msn client, what-a-do? |
| 20:41.39 | hiemanshu | divodurum: accounts-plugin-haze or something like that |
| 20:41.41 | hiemanshu | that works for me |
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| 20:44.07 | Venemo | yo DocScrutinizer51, how're you? |
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| 20:44.25 | hiemanshu | so what the best way to resize paritions? edit the flasher image? |
| 20:44.51 | alecjw | SpeedEvil: the card itself works fine, but i might try bending them out a bit. wouldnt the drive still show up in /dev and the file manager if there was no card in though? |
| 20:45.34 | Venemo | hiemanshu, boot rescue initrd, enable usb host, then repartition using gparted or any tool of your choice |
| 20:45.40 | DocScrutinizer51 | eating |
| 20:46.02 | hiemanshu | Venemo: is there a guide? |
| 20:46.29 | Venemo | hiemanshu, it is non-recommended for anyone without proper expertise |
| 20:46.42 | Venemo | hiemanshu, I'm not aware of a guide, but MohammadAG once guided me through it |
| 20:46.56 | hiemanshu | Venemo: well I have linux expertise, and I am a fedora dev if it helps |
| 20:46.56 | SpeedEvil | alecjw: Don't remember |
| 20:47.06 | Venemo | hiemanshu, that is nice :) |
| 20:47.25 | Venemo | hiemanshu, in that case, see http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Using_Rescue_Initrd |
| 20:48.01 | Venemo | hiemanshu, boot this and enable its usb mass storage mode, and connect the N900 to your computer |
| 20:48.17 | Venemo | hiemanshu, then unmount if your computer mounts it |
| 20:48.29 | Venemo | hiemanshu, after this, launch gparted and do as you please |
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| 20:48.55 | Venemo | hiemanshu, note that the N900 is _UNABLE TO CHARGE_ while running the rescue initrd |
| 20:49.10 | azilot | Hello |
| 20:49.33 | hiemanshu | Venemo: makes sense |
| 20:50.14 | hiemanshu | I dont know what I rm -rf ed by mistake |
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| 20:50.19 | Venemo | hiemanshu, also note that Maemo 5 has the partition list hard-coded, so if you want a new partition, put that to the end of the disk |
| 20:50.21 | hiemanshu | but all I see on my screen are boxes |
| 20:50.29 | Venemo | hiemanshu, what did you do? |
| 20:50.47 | hiemanshu | Venemo: I dont know, I was removing some stuff from /home/ |
| 20:50.56 | hiemanshu | ah |
| 20:51.03 | hiemanshu | I remove /home/opt by mistake :P |
| 20:51.05 | hiemanshu | removed* |
| 20:51.10 | Venemo | hiemanshu, oooops... |
| 20:51.33 | hiemanshu | Venemo: thats cool though, I just got this device and messing with it |
| 20:51.40 | azilot | i have stupid question - How to make folder /opt/modrana/tracklogs available from Desktop? I tried to create symlink at /home/user/MyDocs (ln -s /opt/modrana/tracklogs ./tracklogs), but it says "ln:tracklogs: Operation not permited", even under root. |
| 20:51.44 | hiemanshu | its a seconday phone, so that is never an issue |
| 20:52.07 | Venemo | hiemanshu, for me it's primary :) |
| 20:52.22 | hiemanshu | Venemo: I have an iPhone as a primary phone |
| 20:52.30 | Venemo | hiemanshu, lol |
| 20:52.32 | hiemanshu | which is basically because I need music |
| 20:52.39 | hiemanshu | and it works |
| 20:52.45 | Venemo | hiemanshu, and N900 doesn't work? :P |
| 20:52.53 | hiemanshu | Venemo: I just got it |
| 20:52.58 | hiemanshu | Venemo: also well I game a lot |
| 20:53.05 | hiemanshu | while waiting for class to start and stuff, I game |
| 20:53.15 | Venemo | hiemanshu, I recommend tuxrace on your N900 |
| 20:53.18 | hiemanshu | so N900 doesn't do that really well |
| 20:53.49 | hiemanshu | Venemo: I will install it soon |
| 20:53.59 | hiemanshu | once I get this running again, its charging right now |
| 20:54.08 | Venemo | hiemanshu, yeah, not too many games for Maemo 5 |
| 20:54.19 | Venemo | hiemanshu, I also recommend you my puzzle-master |
| 20:54.29 | Venemo | hiemanshu, I've also packaged that for Fedora |
| 20:54.39 | hiemanshu | Venemo: oh nice, I should try it |
| 20:54.59 | divodurum | sure theres the emulators but tyou can get thm on iphone too |
| 20:55.00 | hiemanshu | I had just finished porting a couple of my desktop apps for the N900 |
| 20:55.04 | hiemanshu | they are in PyQt |
| 20:55.07 | Venemo | which ones? |
| 20:55.39 | hiemanshu | Venemo: there is this xkcd game me and my friend made, it gives you alt text or a dialogue, and you choose the correct answer |
| 20:56.16 | hiemanshu | Venemo: http://i51.tinypic.com/23hakp2.png |
| 20:56.31 | hiemanshu | all I did was change the dimension and reorganize it for 800x440 |
| 20:57.11 | Venemo | hiemanshu, nice :) |
| 20:57.13 | hiemanshu | and then there was the qr code generator |
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| 20:58.09 | hiemanshu | Venemo: https://github.com/hiemanshu/exkayseedee/blob/master/n900.py |
| 20:58.26 | hiemanshu | I need to fix the code though, I wrote this quite some time ago when I was learning to code Qt |
| 20:58.36 | DocScrutinizer51 | Venemo: thanks, I'm fine :-) |
| 20:58.42 | Venemo | I don't know a thing about Python hiemanshu |
| 20:58.45 | hiemanshu | so there are some stuff I did in a stupid way, but well it works |
| 20:58.47 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer51, that's nice to hear :) |
| 20:58.52 | hiemanshu | Venemo: ah, C/C++? |
| 20:58.57 | DocScrutinizer51 | you? |
| 20:59.12 | Venemo | hiemanshu, C/C++/C#/etc. |
| 20:59.27 | hiemanshu | I know a little of C / C++ |
| 20:59.33 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer51, I'm fine too... I'm having a math exam tomorrow, I hope for the best :) |
| 20:59.37 | hiemanshu | and a fat ass C# book sitting here in front of me |
| 20:59.46 | DocScrutinizer51 | good luck |
| 21:00.00 | Venemo | thanks DocScrutinizer51 :) |
| 21:00.35 | hiemanshu | Venemo: Professional C# 2008 |
| 21:00.39 | hiemanshu | about 1800 pages |
| 21:00.42 | Venemo | nice! |
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| 21:00.52 | hiemanshu | never read it though LO |
| 21:00.53 | hiemanshu | :P |
| 21:01.11 | Venemo | I can also code some JavaScript for some occasional web dev and gnome-shell extensions |
| 21:01.46 | hiemanshu | ah nice, I do webdev too :D |
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| 21:02.32 | alecjw | can someone remind me the device node for SD cards? i thought it was mmcblk0, but that's the internal memory |
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| 21:02.54 | hiemanshu | alecjw: mmcblk1 ? |
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| 21:03.19 | alecjw | ta :) |
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| 21:13.00 | hiemanshu | Venemo: is there rpm2cpio in the maemo repos or should I use my laptop for that? |
| 21:13.18 | Venemo | idunno |
| 21:17.06 | BCMM | my notification area has gone. what just happened? |
| 21:17.37 | azilot | BCMM: and you can`t launch any program? |
| 21:17.54 | BCMM | dunno; realised i hadn't tried rebooting so doing that |
| 21:18.01 | BCMM | sorry, i can launch programs |
| 21:18.09 | BCMM | well, i started xterm with the kb shortcut |
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| 21:32.59 | hiemanshu | Venemo: ok its resizing |
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| 21:33.40 | Venemo | hiemanshu, what are you resizing? and why? |
| 21:33.55 | hiemanshu | Venemo: /home and MyDocs |
| 21:34.05 | hiemanshu | Venemo: because /home is too small :P |
| 21:35.13 | Venemo | I see |
| 21:35.28 | hiemanshu | Venemo: well you told me about it, did you forget already? |
| 21:35.47 | Venemo | I didn't forget that you asked about it |
| 21:36.04 | Venemo | but you didn'say why you want to do it :) |
| 21:36.06 | hiemanshu | ah ok |
| 21:36.27 | hiemanshu | well I thought it would be understood, 2G is too small even for RAM these days :P |
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| 21:36.51 | Venemo | hiemanshu, sure |
| 21:37.50 | hiemanshu | should find a nice way to rewrite his other desktop apps for the N900 |
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| 21:40.25 | BCMM | anyone know what "is_cool = 0" does? (transitions.ini) |
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| 21:48.39 | GAN900 | Makes it cool. |
| 21:48.46 | GAN900 | Right now, yours sucks. |
| 21:49.53 | hiemanshu | hah |
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| 21:51.20 | _trine | what causes rootfs to fill up apart from the obvious |
| 21:51.34 | Venemo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:51.54 | _trine | for some reason roofs is full and I have not installed any othe rprograms |
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| 21:52.30 | _trine | the obvious being that it would fill up if you loded lots of new programs |
| 21:52.42 | bernanke | why are there so many people in this channel? |
| 21:52.54 | Venemo | _trine, new programs usually aren't stored on the rootfs => that is not the reason |
| 21:52.58 | azilot | i have stupid question - How to make folder /opt/modrana/tracklogs available from Desktop? I tried to create symlink at /home/user/MyDocs (ln -s /opt/modrana/tracklogs ./tracklogs), but it says "ln:tracklogs: Operation not permited", even under root. |
| 21:53.10 | _trine | Venemo, ah ok |
| 21:53.26 | Venemo | _trine, programs are stored on the eMMC, in /opt usually |
| 21:53.49 | _trine | Venemo, what do you think could have caused it and can I get some space back ? |
| 21:54.06 | Venemo | _trine, what is the output of 'df -h' |
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| 21:54.54 | Venemo | _trine, also, which firmware version do you have? |
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| 21:55.36 | _trine | Venemo, how can I get the results of df -h onto here |
| 21:55.46 | _trine | Venemo, pr 1.3 |
| 21:56.03 | Venemo | _trine, 'apt-get install pastebinit' as root, then 'df -h | pastebinit' |
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| 21:56.24 | _trine | Venemo, I cant do that |
| 21:56.32 | Venemo | _trine, what? why? |
| 21:56.34 | _trine | as I have no more space left |
| 21:57.00 | Venemo | _trine, very weird. worst case, backup your data and reflash. |
| 21:57.22 | azilot | type it manualy |
| 21:57.35 | azilot | df -h is not verbose |
| 21:57.35 | _trine | it happened after I was copying a large file to Mydocs folder |
| 21:57.46 | azilot | maybe file cache? |
| 21:57.59 | hiemanshu | Venemo: 10.5G /home and 17.5G MyDocs is perfect :D |
| 21:58.04 | _trine | can I clear file cache |
| 21:58.21 | Venemo | hiemanshu, congrats :) |
| 21:58.50 | hiemanshu | Venemo: thank you for the guide :D |
| 21:58.57 | azilot | Guys, can u help me with symlink issue? |
| 21:58.58 | Venemo | hiemanshu, you're welcome :) |
| 21:59.19 | hiemanshu | Venemo: I am dd-ing it to an image, so when I reinstall, I have it like this |
| 21:59.40 | Venemo | hiemanshu :) |
| 22:00.29 | hiemanshu | ok I should head to sleep |
| 22:00.39 | hiemanshu | its 4 AM and I have a test at 9AM |
| 22:01.15 | Venemo | hiemanshu, okay, sleep well & sweet dreams |
| 22:01.28 | hiemanshu | Venemo: same to you mate :) |
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| 22:03.09 | _trine | I have just spent 2 days setting my N900 up and I dont really want to do it all again so does anyone know how to free up space on rootfs |
| 22:03.23 | Venemo | _trine, what did you do to fill it up in the first place? |
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| 22:03.47 | _trine | Venemo, it must have been the file transfer to MyDocs |
| 22:04.08 | Venemo | _trine, how could a file transfer to MyDocs affect the rootfs? |
| 22:04.10 | _trine | but how that has filled rootfs is a mystery |
| 22:04.42 | Venemo | _trine, I'm afraid I can't help you more until some more knowledgeable people like DocScrutinizer or MohammadAG come here |
| 22:04.52 | _trine | but is there a way to free up space on rootfs |
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| 22:05.10 | _trine | Venemo, ok thanks |
| 22:05.45 | DocScrutinizer | mr_jrt: please fix your connection and client, see http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-ssu-irclog/%23maemo-ssu.2011-06-01.log.html#t2011-06-01T20:13:41. We'll ban you temporarily to protect channel, please /query any of the chanops ( /msg chanserv access #maemo-ssu list) - or just me - to remove the ban as soon as you got stuff sorted. We regret we have to do this, no bad feelings. good luck! :-) |
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| 22:07.33 | _trine | DocScrutinizer, can you help me with my rootfs problem please |
| 22:08.04 | DocScrutinizer | _trine: as long as you're still logged in I strongly suggest to rm some junk files from / |
| 22:08.28 | DocScrutinizer | if you're already in bootloop, it's getting really really difficult |
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| 22:09.14 | DocScrutinizer | odds however are that next boot will garbage-collect free-up quite some space in / |
| 22:09.38 | DocScrutinizer | if that's not enough to make boot succeed, then you're basically screwed |
| 22:10.20 | DocScrutinizer | unless you got some dualboot setup (e.g. meego / nitdroid) to clean maemo's rootfs from outside |
| 22:12.16 | _trine | I have rebooted and its just the same |
| 22:12.34 | DocScrutinizer | it's *possible* to fix things using http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Using_Rescue_Initrd, but it seems only the most frustration-resistent hackers ever made their way thru that textadventure |
| 22:12.55 | DocScrutinizer | _trine: is the same *what*? |
| 22:13.08 | _trine | the rootfs is still full |
| 22:13.49 | DocScrutinizer | well, if you can boot to a state where you can run some cmd to even *tell* rootfs is full, you as well should be able to delete some crap |
| 22:14.10 | _trine | where would I look for crap |
| 22:14.21 | DocScrutinizer | good question |
| 22:14.22 | _trine | that would fill up rootfs |
| 22:14.32 | DocScrutinizer | hard to tell |
| 22:14.51 | DocScrutinizer | look at /tmp / dunnowhat |
| 22:15.21 | _trine | I emptied tmp |
| 22:16.22 | DocScrutinizer | du -x /|sort -n |
| 22:16.32 | DocScrutinizer | will give some hints |
| 22:16.41 | _trine | ok |
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| 22:19.10 | DocScrutinizer | beware however of deleting random files indiscriminately, some of them might actually be needed |
| 22:19.30 | DocScrutinizer | many are symlinks to /home/opt or sth |
| 22:19.41 | DocScrutinizer | so won't help to delete them at all |
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| 22:20.29 | azilot | DocScrutinizer: Is it ok, that i can`t create symlink in /home/user/MyDocs to /opt/modrana/tracklogs? |
| 22:20.31 | DocScrutinizer | it takes quite a bit of common sense and experience to tell if you can delete a file or not, please come back here and ask, whenever you're unsure |
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| 22:20.46 | DocScrutinizer | azilot: yes, it's VFAT |
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| 22:21.07 | DocScrutinizer | only bindmounts will work there |
| 22:21.17 | DocScrutinizer | VFAT doesn't know symlinks |
| 22:22.18 | azilot | mm. So i have to put thi bind mount to fstab? |
| 22:23.06 | _trine | DocScrutinizer, how can I type the pipe symbol |
| 22:23.32 | DocScrutinizer | blue+ctrl |
| 22:23.32 | azilot | press modkey and ctrl |
| 22:24.10 | _trine | whats modkey |
| 22:24.21 | SpeedEvil | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10354 _trine |
| 22:24.23 | povbot | Bug 10354: Symbol virtual keyboard inconsistent to access from hardware keyboard. |
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| 22:27.16 | Venemo | _trine, blue arrow |
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| 22:30.12 | _trine | http://dpaste.com/549411/ |
| 22:30.30 | bernanke | yes |
| 22:30.40 | _trine | Nokia-N900:~# df -h |
| 22:30.40 | _trine | Filesystem Size Used Available Use% Mounted on |
| 22:30.40 | _trine | Nokia-N900:~# |
| 22:31.56 | BugBlue | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:32.16 | azilot | DocScrutinizer: after creating bind (mount --bind /opt/modrana/tracklogs /home/user/MyDocs/tracks) i can`t use mass storage mode |
| 22:33.02 | azilot | only flash card |
| 22:33.32 | DocScrutinizer | azilot: indeed |
| 22:33.40 | _trine | which folder holds rootfs |
| 22:33.57 | DocScrutinizer | _trine: / is rootfs |
| 22:34.31 | _trine | DocScrutinizer, I have used winscp to access the phone |
| 22:34.39 | _trine | so I can look around |
| 22:34.53 | azilot | so, no other ways other than copy to MyDocs? |
| 22:34.55 | vldcnst | DocScrutinizer: any idea why I can't boot with USB cable plugged in? recent, haven't installed anything new. |
| 22:34.58 | _trine | where do I look? I can see th efile system |
| 22:35.18 | DocScrutinizer | vldcnst: sorry, no |
| 22:35.45 | vldcnst | DocScrutinizer: it gets to the dots animation than reboots with rapid yellow led flashes |
| 22:36.04 | azilot | vldcnst: i have same issue. Tought, that it`s @feature@ |
| 22:36.31 | vldcnst | azilot: do you have power kernel installed? |
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| 22:37.27 | DocScrutinizer | _trine: I gave hint how to spot the hugest hogs on rootfs. Sorry I'm running short of better ideas |
| 22:38.20 | DocScrutinizer | _trine: it's not like I give 3rd best advice first ;-) |
| 22:38.31 | DocScrutinizer | ussually |
| 22:38.46 | _trine | DocScrutinizer, I did what you said but it didnt give me file sizes or anything the output was what I pastebined |
| 22:39.19 | _trine | anyway its getting late here so I guess it might be better to try in the moring with a fresh mind |
| 22:39.28 | _trine | morning* |
| 22:39.42 | DocScrutinizer | it's listing the directories that are on rootfs, hugest last. You'll have to look into them to spot files that look fishy and fat |
| 22:39.49 | _trine | thank you for your help |
| 22:40.28 | MohammadAG | evening |
| 22:40.37 | DocScrutinizer | also checking creation date might help |
| 22:40.41 | DocScrutinizer | lo MohammadAG |
| 22:41.23 | MohammadAG | o/ DocScrutinizer |
| 22:41.30 | DocScrutinizer | new fat files are more likely to be cruft |
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| 22:47.10 | DocScrutinizer | azilot: vldcnst: you got a strange problem, I'd be interested in reading any news you find out about it. No ideas how to help ATM |
| 22:47.34 | vldcnst | DocScrutinizer: I can replicate the problem with the charger too. |
| 22:47.51 | DocScrutinizer | ok, one good point already |
| 22:48.03 | DocScrutinizer | you got powerkernel? |
| 22:48.10 | vldcnst | yeap, 47 |
| 22:48.27 | DocScrutinizer | modprobe -r bq27200 |
| 22:48.52 | DocScrutinizer | this module is known to break bme, which in turn will segfault and cause system to reboot |
| 22:48.58 | vldcnst | not loaded |
| 22:49.26 | DocScrutinizer | modprobe -r actually doesn't suffice, you should blacklist or simply delete the bq27200.ko module |
| 22:49.40 | azilot | module not found |
| 22:49.44 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, been worth a shot ;-D |
| 22:50.06 | azilot | i have powerkernel to i think |
| 22:50.25 | DocScrutinizer | lsmod|grep bq |
| 22:51.17 | DocScrutinizer | maybe it's called bq27x00 or sth |
| 22:51.23 | azilot | bq27x00_battery 5264 0 |
| 22:51.23 | azilot | power_supply 7044 1 bq27x00_battery |
| 22:51.28 | vldcnst | yeap, same as azilot |
| 22:51.48 | DocScrutinizer | yep, roge module - blacklist, kill!!! |
| 22:51.54 | vldcnst | blacklisting now |
| 22:52.11 | azilot | how to blacklist? |
| 22:52.32 | vldcnst | let's try a reboot |
| 22:53.44 | licensed` | anybody knows how can i install ndrive on my n900? i have maps licences |
| 22:54.05 | vldcnst | DocScrutinizer: dots, nokia white, reboot + vibrate and then goes into loop |
| 22:54.27 | DocScrutinizer | duh |
| 22:54.44 | azilot | i have loaded, but i think i have no powerkernel after reflash |
| 22:54.52 | DocScrutinizer | I'd consider PK47 thoroughly fsckdup |
| 22:56.07 | DocScrutinizer | PR1.3-cssu: lsmod|grep bq ->nuttin |
| 22:57.00 | DocScrutinizer | so this module is definitely not needed in any sane system setup |
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| 22:57.38 | DocScrutinizer | and the way how and why it breaks stuff when loaded is quite completely understood |
| 22:58.08 | DocScrutinizer | I'm amazed it made it into PK anyway, even more it gets loaded by default |
| 22:58.24 | DocScrutinizer | why it doesn't work to blacklist it is beyond me |
| 22:58.38 | vldcnst | DocScrutinizer: silly me, I blacklisted bq27x00 but forgot the _battery |
| 22:58.46 | DocScrutinizer | meh!! |
| 23:00.20 | vldcnst | aaannd, no lift off. still the same problem |
| 23:00.32 | DocScrutinizer | mention my name when posting a "fix" to tmo ;-D |
| 23:00.44 | azilot | So, no other options to create smoething like symlink in /home/user/MyDocs and still stay able to use disk in mass storage mode? |
| 23:00.59 | vldcnst | DocScrutinizer: when it's in that loop, the second I remove the USB cable it starts to boot normaly |
| 23:01.06 | DocScrutinizer | I suggest rm /lib/modules*/*/*/*/bq27*.ko |
| 23:01.09 | MohammadAG | what loop? |
| 23:01.27 | DocScrutinizer | bootloop on pl47 when hooked to charger |
| 23:01.41 | DocScrutinizer | bq27x00 crap module again |
| 23:01.45 | Macer | damn |
| 23:01.48 | MohammadAG | it's been a year since I've last went into ACT_DEAD |
| 23:01.53 | MohammadAG | my device always boots up |
| 23:01.56 | Macer | have to love how easily hackable a wii is |
| 23:01.58 | Macer | :) |
| 23:02.01 | MohammadAG | never goes into ACT_DEAD |
| 23:02.26 | MohammadAG | I'm not sure if this is hen, or kp 42+ |
| 23:02.32 | MohammadAG | not bothered anyway |
| 23:03.01 | SpeedEvil | Macer: The wii controller has a stm32, an accel, and bluetooth |
| 23:03.21 | MohammadAG | the PS3's has a gyro, or 3 |
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| 23:04.25 | _trine | DocScrutinizer, is there a file here at the bottom of this pastebin that needs to be deleted http://dpaste.com/549417/ |
| 23:04.28 | BCMM | BCMM_: is my notification LED working? |
| 23:04.35 | BCMM | cool. |
| 23:04.38 | azilot | vldcnst: i don`t have this issue now. Checked right now, power kernel is installed. |
| 23:05.03 | vldcnst | azilot: lucky you |
| 23:05.10 | _trine | DocScrutinizer, this one ? 296384 |
| 23:05.30 | azilot | vldcnst: i had it before reflash ) |
| 23:05.33 | _trine | is that the file length |
| 23:05.39 | _trine | 296384 |
| 23:06.23 | DocScrutinizer | this all are directories, and yes that's the directory size in blocks afaik |
| 23:06.55 | _trine | DocScrutinizer, there seems to be something at the end of that list with no name |
| 23:07.12 | _trine | is that what I need to delete |
| 23:07.52 | vldcnst | DocScrutinizer: I also noticed that when I press the power button (with the cable plugged in) the led fades twice (low>high>off low>high>off), is this normal? |
| 23:08.00 | DocScrutinizer | anyway I'm a bit puzzled what all those /usr/* dirs do there, as most of them *should* be or contain stuff being on /home/maemo/usr or sth |
| 23:08.29 | DocScrutinizer | vldcnst: not really |
| 23:08.30 | _trine | DocScrutinizer, was that to me |
| 23:08.36 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 23:08.57 | _trine | should I delete them |
| 23:09.26 | DocScrutinizer | _trine: sorry it seems to get late here, I'm actually out of good advice how to clean up a littered rootfs |
| 23:09.27 | alterego | Anyone know if there are any repos containing qt scene graph? |
| 23:09.47 | DocScrutinizer | _trine: no way, you'll kill your system by deleting those dirs |
| 23:09.50 | _trine | DocScrutinizer, no problem i understand I am tired too |
| 23:10.03 | _trine | can I ask you in the morning |
| 23:10.14 | DocScrutinizer | ok, yw |
| 23:10.22 | _trine | thanks |
| 23:10.36 | DocScrutinizer | yw, np |
| 23:11.24 | DocScrutinizer | _trine: check /var/log/* |
| 23:11.36 | DocScrutinizer | everything there is probably safe to delete |
| 23:11.44 | _trine | ok |
| 23:11.47 | DocScrutinizer | or better move to MyDocs or sth |
| 23:12.51 | _trine | theres not much in /var/log |
| 23:12.54 | _trine | 5k |
| 23:12.58 | _trine | only |
| 23:13.22 | Arkenoi | ah. "instant messaing" in symbian anna is.. useless "microsoft communicator". which does not work even with msn. |
| 23:13.29 | Arkenoi | idiots. |
| 23:14.14 | DocScrutinizer | _trine: then nm |
| 23:14.24 | _trine | ok |
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| 23:15.33 | DocScrutinizer | you might have run into some hickup of microB or whatever, have installed some not optified pkgs, dunno. There's zillion of possibilities |
| 23:16.04 | DocScrutinizer | needs much closed more detailed dissection |
| 23:16.09 | DocScrutinizer | not today though |
| 23:16.29 | DocScrutinizer | maybe tomorrow somebody jumps up shouting "there's an app for that" :-) |
| 23:16.47 | _trine | DocScrutinizer, I could let you ssh into it in the morning if you have some time for me |
| 23:17.06 | DocScrutinizer | might work |
| 23:17.38 | _trine | I am ssh'ed into it now |
| 23:17.40 | DocScrutinizer | dunno if I find the time though, let's talk about it tomorrow |
| 23:17.46 | _trine | ok thanks |
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| 23:33.10 | DocScrutinizer | alterego: what's a qt scene graph? |
| 23:34.15 | alterego | It's the next gen rendering pipeline/framework for Qt to render Qml |
| 23:35.12 | alterego | Currently the QPainter approach is pretty inefficient, the scene graph optimizes the OpenGL rendering process to make QML a _lot_ more sleek :) |
| 23:35.49 | alterego | But it also adds a hard dependency on OpenGL (& ES) 2.0 |
| 23:36.37 | alterego | So no software rendering, but still, wayland, qt scene graph & qml are pretty much the next big thing I'm waiting for :) |
| 23:38.07 | alterego | Think I'll build it for my exo and N900 DE |
| 23:38.38 | alterego | And see if Stskeeps wants to give me a sneak preview of his wayland on N900 work |
| 23:39.46 | DocScrutinizer | alterego: thanks for enlightening me |
| 23:40.07 | DocScrutinizer | just got a hickup when reading 'wayland' - no clue why |
| 23:40.13 | alterego | Heh |
| 23:40.53 | DocScrutinizer | not that I really knew what wayland is - might be freudian dementia |
| 23:41.04 | Macer | SpeedEvil: uhm? huh? |
| 23:41.18 | SpeedEvil | uhm - huh? |
| 23:41.28 | DocScrutinizer | Humm uh? |
| 23:41.39 | SpeedEvil | Macer: Ah |
| 23:41.39 | Macer | the whole thing about the wiimote |
| 23:41.58 | SpeedEvil | Macer: I was answering an only peripherally related question to the hackability of the wii. |
| 23:41.59 | Macer | sorry. was playing lego pirates |
| 23:42.09 | SpeedEvil | Macer: Namely tha tthe wiimote is seperately hackable. |
| 23:42.24 | SpeedEvil | Macer: 32 bit processor, bluetooth, accel, buttons |
| 23:42.37 | Macer | what would i do with that? :) |
| 23:42.40 | DocScrutinizer | idly wonders if wayland is somehow related to L.P. by any odd chance |
| 23:43.06 | SpeedEvil | Macer: Autopilot, ... |
| 23:43.30 | DocScrutinizer | that's at very least explain why I got a motoric block to google wayland |
| 23:44.06 | Macer | autopilot? |
| 23:44.29 | Macer | what i am curious about is if there is an ssh app for wii |
| 23:44.45 | Macer | but considering the highest res is 420p it isnt worth it |
| 23:44.55 | SpeedEvil | A device to guide planes. |
| 23:45.05 | alterego | DocScrutinizer: wayland is the X11 replacement .. |
| 23:45.11 | Macer | i dont do planes heh |
| 23:45.16 | DocScrutinizer | nah, I seem to recall Raster explaining why any alternative concept to X is prone to fail |
| 23:45.44 | DocScrutinizer | as you'll in the end be where you started |
| 23:46.38 | alterego | Most people are backing wayland, soI don't think it'll fail |
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| 23:47.08 | DocScrutinizer | nah, it will become a shiny duplicate of X, with all the same quirks |
| 23:47.18 | DocScrutinizer | or it fails halfway to there |
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| 23:48.00 | Macer | SpeedEvil: i was talking more about the hb apps etc |
| 23:48.09 | SpeedEvil | Macer: yeah - I know |
| 23:48.30 | alterego | I don't think that's true at all |
| 23:48.42 | DocScrutinizer | that's why I think there MUST be notorious L.P. involved in wayland |
| 23:48.49 | alterego | X is full of garbage and isn't optimized for currently graphics hardware. |
| 23:49.12 | DocScrutinizer | mhm |
| 23:49.16 | DocScrutinizer | oh well |
| 23:49.17 | alterego | It's almost archaic :P |
| 23:49.40 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, like ALSA, while PA is so shiny cool and new and way better of course |
| 23:49.51 | alterego | Wayland is designed with current technology in mind, specifically hardware accelerated 2D/3D |
| 23:50.06 | alterego | PA isn't a replacement for alsa |
| 23:50.15 | alterego | They're two different things |
| 23:50.20 | DocScrutinizer | notices an insane desire for new concepts, just for the thrill of it, all over IT universe |
| 23:50.35 | alterego | Well, I don't disagree with you there :P |
| 23:50.50 | alterego | But it's fun, and sometimes good things appear ;) |
| 23:51.15 | DocScrutinizer | most pf the time more good things bitrot while crap replacing them |
| 23:51.30 | SpeedEvil | Isn't wayland an intermediary layer - one of which outputs may be X> |
| 23:51.40 | SpeedEvil | I guess I might have misunderstood the presentation. |
| 23:52.07 | SpeedEvil | Or is it assuming it will always be running on hardware, with no other windowing system. |
| 23:52.12 | DocScrutinizer | and for the fun part: I'm using my PC to get work done, not for the fun of messing with new concepts to get those to do the things my last system was brilliant at |
| 23:53.15 | DocScrutinizer | that's the L.P. approach I learnt to hate |
| 23:54.01 | alterego | &Wayland will be especially important on mobile devices, |
| 23:54.10 | alterego | X is just too big |
| 23:54.15 | SpeedEvil | lols. |
| 23:54.27 | DocScrutinizer | "hey, we don't really get how X works and why it doesn't things the way we like, so instead of fixing things or simply *learning* how to do things right with X, we better invent a new thing Y"" |
| 23:54.30 | SpeedEvil | looks at his 486/25sx/6M laptop. |
| 23:55.00 | alterego | I'd research Wayland befoe you say things like that :P |
| 23:55.19 | alterego | You have no idea the motivation behind it or the expertise of those developing it. |
| 23:55.33 | DocScrutinizer | you better show me where X11 sucks before you try to lure me into wayland |
| 23:55.34 | alterego | SpeedEvil: which didn't have GPU |
| 23:56.31 | alterego | I'm not qualified :P |
| 23:56.49 | Macer | NO JOKE! I HAVE BEEN CHOSEN! CLICK HERE FOR FREE IPHONE! |
| 23:56.52 | alterego | All I know is what people have been telling me about the performance. |
| 23:56.53 | DocScrutinizer | meanwhile I am, Raster educated me |
| 23:57.12 | alterego | And wayland is quicker :P |
| 23:57.22 | alterego | And quicker is better in my book |
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| 23:57.58 | DocScrutinizer | sure it is, as it doesn't have al the stuff built in *yet* that makes X11 work everywhere flawlessly since decades now |
| 23:58.25 | alterego | m'hmm .. |
| 23:58.32 | DocScrutinizer | you arguably could accelerate X11 as well by stripping it down to the bare bones |
| 23:59.14 | DocScrutinizer | and It probably still would be better than any new development that hadn't a chance to mature over decades |
| 23:59.28 | DocScrutinizer | even when you strip it down |
| 23:59.42 | DocScrutinizer | to be faster than whatever wayland or other stuff |
