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| 00:58.29 | cehteh | find: unrecognized: -exec |
| 00:58.35 | cehteh | busybox crap |
| 01:00.35 | merlin1991 | ~messybox |
| 01:00.35 | infobot | messy... err busybox is meant for lean scripting. Regarding all the missing options and immanent limitations (see su) it's not really the interactive shell of choice. A lot of people hate busybox because a lot of system integrators don't understand the difference between busybox and a decent user interactive shell plus unix utils |
| 01:00.37 | merlin1991 | :D |
| 01:00.46 | cehteh | yesyes |
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| 02:25.35 | Macer | http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel/1147415 |
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| 02:32.25 | SpeedEvil | posts 'where can I download the linux 3 kernel with android support' on TMO. |
| 02:34.46 | DocScrutinizer | yo |
| 02:35.47 | DocScrutinizer | apt-get install findutils-gnu |
| 02:36.28 | DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# echo $PATH |
| 02:36.29 | DocScrutinizer | /usr/bin/gnu:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11 |
| 02:37.00 | DocScrutinizer | WTF |
| 02:37.09 | DocScrutinizer | FTW |
| 02:37.15 | DocScrutinizer | ;-P |
| 02:38.48 | DocScrutinizer | idly ponders /usr/local optification |
| 02:41.04 | DocScrutinizer | also general optification sanitizing: |
| 02:41.08 | DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# ls -l /usr/bin/gnu/|wc -l |
| 02:41.09 | DocScrutinizer | 119 |
| 02:41.11 | DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# ls -l /usr/bin/gnu/|grep lrwx|wc -l |
| 02:41.12 | DocScrutinizer | 113 |
| 02:42.13 | DocScrutinizer | . |
| 02:42.17 | DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# ls -l /usr/bin/gnu/|grep -v lrwx |
| 02:42.18 | DocScrutinizer | insgesamt 124 |
| 02:42.20 | DocScrutinizer | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 18680 2010-04-21 12:14 cmp |
| 02:42.21 | DocScrutinizer | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 61316 2010-04-21 12:14 diff |
| 02:42.23 | DocScrutinizer | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 18960 2010-04-21 12:14 diff3 |
| 02:42.24 | DocScrutinizer | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 43 2010-03-19 22:50 rgrep |
| 02:42.26 | DocScrutinizer | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 18204 2010-04-21 12:14 sdiff |
| 02:43.08 | DocScrutinizer | . |
| 02:43.13 | DocScrutinizer | that's *sick* |
| 02:44.07 | DocScrutinizer | ~optification |
| 02:44.07 | infobot | methinks optification is a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the partitioning is FUBAR, or http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs, or ""OMG - I wish somebody had looked into FHS and moved /usr to eMMC"", or http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE2 bullet1,2 and fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE16 sentence3 |
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| 02:48.39 | DocScrutinizer | ~optification |
| 02:48.39 | infobot | from memory, optification is a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the systeminit *and* partitioning is FUBAR, http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs, or ""OMG - I wish somebody had looked into FHS and moved /usr to eMMC"", http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE2 bullet1,2 and fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE16 dot3 |
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| 02:54.07 | DocScrutinizer | you really should have a look at http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE16 - how can it be Nokia managed to put binaries into /usr/bin that are clearly needed *before* /usr gets mounted, and then - instead of doing the right thing and just move the binary from /usr/bin to /bin - they come up with this optification abomination ""because we need some of the binaries of /usr/bin to exist on rootfs"" ::mad:: |
| 02:55.25 | DocScrutinizer | it the most nobe duty of a distro maintainer to sort such things out in a *sane* way |
| 02:55.31 | DocScrutinizer | noble* |
| 02:58.01 | DocScrutinizer | not to go "ohmy, developer of foo pkg decided to install it to /usr/bin/foo. We need it during boot, so let's invent this optification chimera crack nightmare |
| 02:59.35 | DocScrutinizer | best thing of some Nokia departments must have been their drug dealer ;-P |
| 03:04.31 | DocScrutinizer | I was hoping for a clear cut to clean this up on PR1.2, then again on PR1.3 - now it's clear they love it the way it is, and this is one of the batshit crazy things of maemo that never is going to change again for the better |
| 03:05.18 | DocScrutinizer | unless we roll it up again in CSSU |
| 03:07.42 | DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# ls -l /usr/bin|wc -l |
| 03:07.44 | DocScrutinizer | 748 |
| 03:07.45 | DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# ls -l /usr/bin|grep lrwx|wc -l |
| 03:07.47 | DocScrutinizer | 358 |
| 03:09.07 | DocScrutinizer | = ~390 pkg NOT optified in /usr/bin |
| 03:09.11 | DocScrutinizer | WHY? |
| 03:09.56 | DocScrutinizer | meh |
| 03:10.08 | DocScrutinizer | useless effort |
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| 03:12.18 | DocScrutinizer | just a last word, in case there's been something not as utterly clear as it should've been: this rationale applies to ALL /usr/* |
| 03:13.05 | DocScrutinizer | I.E. /usr has to be a mountpoint, nothing else |
| 03:23.08 | DocScrutinizer | usr = Unix Sharable Resources |
| 03:23.50 | DocScrutinizer | sharable implies it might not be available on local machine all the time, as it's shared from elsewhere |
| 03:24.20 | Sc0rpius | holy |
| 03:24.27 | DocScrutinizer | so even the name *implies* it's a mountpoint |
| 03:24.32 | Sc0rpius | I've been using Unix since like 1979 and I never knew usr meant that |
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| 03:25.19 | DocScrutinizer | you got a better definition of what this TLA means? |
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| 03:27.11 | DocScrutinizer | http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#THEUSRHIERARCHY |
| 03:28.05 | Sc0rpius | not even there it says usr means that |
| 03:28.22 | DocScrutinizer | no, it just says "shareable" |
| 03:28.27 | Sc0rpius | yup |
| 03:28.40 | DocScrutinizer | it's actually not easy to spot exactly where it came from |
| 03:29.17 | DocScrutinizer | might also be "unix/shareable/readonly" or whatever |
| 03:29.30 | Sc0rpius | so |
| 03:29.38 | DocScrutinizer | I've heard the Unix-Shareable-resources explanation though |
| 03:29.39 | Sc0rpius | would you buy an N9 if it comes with MeeGo? |
| 03:29.52 | Sc0rpius | and those 64 GB and dual 1GHz processor? |
| 03:29.58 | SpeedEvil | 'MeeGo' is a hard definition. |
| 03:30.02 | DocScrutinizer | prolly not |
| 03:30.07 | Sc0rpius | hmm |
| 03:30.22 | SpeedEvil | It seems likely that what it will come with is nokias fork of meego, as it forked 12 months ago or so. |
| 03:30.35 | DocScrutinizer | a) meego handset-UX is premature |
| 03:30.38 | SpeedEvil | With some maemo bits jammed in. |
| 03:30.50 | DocScrutinizer | b) this device for sure comes with a capacitive touchscreen |
| 03:31.06 | Sc0rpius | and you want a resistive screen? |
| 03:31.22 | DocScrutinizer | every single day, yes |
| 03:31.33 | Sc0rpius | N900 is resistive? |
| 03:31.36 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 03:31.42 | Sc0rpius | but not multitouch |
| 03:31.44 | Sc0rpius | :( |
| 03:31.47 | DocScrutinizer | bah |
| 03:32.05 | derf | I'd like to be able to touch _one_ spot accurately, before I worry about more than one. |
| 03:32.29 | Sc0rpius | I just care it supports multitouch |
| 03:32.31 | DocScrutinizer | a) mt is worthless without proper integration into OS , and b) resistive can do mt as well |
| 03:32.32 | Sc0rpius | like the N8 |
| 03:32.37 | Sc0rpius | N8 is capacitive? |
| 03:32.42 | Sc0rpius | because that's the screen I like |
| 03:33.01 | Sc0rpius | I have a friend that has an N8 and the screen is really gorgeous and responsive, and it's multitouch |
| 03:33.57 | Sc0rpius | but the bad news would be what SpeedEvil said that the Meego it has is a weird Nokia's fork of it |
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| 03:34.21 | Sc0rpius | yeah N8 is capacitive just checked. |
| 03:34.29 | DocScrutinizer | my laptop is not multitouch, so given the paradigm my smartphone should be as much like a normal PC as possible, I'd probably not even *want* mt |
| 03:35.29 | Sc0rpius | N900 is heavy and bulky. If N9 comes around the thickness and lightness of an N8, I'd think about buying one |
| 03:35.30 | SpeedEvil | It sounds like - from what I've heard - that the N9 or whatever it's called - has been around at least in prototype form for 9 months or so. |
| 03:35.58 | DocScrutinizer | I want a screen though that I can operate with toothpicks, styli, fingernail, biker gloves |
| 03:36.02 | Sc0rpius | oh |
| 03:36.17 | Sc0rpius | you need a finger for capacitive, like (btw) the touchpad of your laptop! |
| 03:36.26 | SpeedEvil | I'm not sure about the state of the software. |
| 03:36.37 | SpeedEvil | uses trackpoints exclusvely. |
| 03:37.24 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: you'd be happy with the Samsung Omnia - it has an inverted otical mouse |
| 03:37.49 | DocScrutinizer | quite nifty |
| 03:40.23 | DocScrutinizer | kinda feels like a apple-mouse micro-trackball |
| 03:40.36 | DocScrutinizer | just solid-state |
| 03:41.59 | SpeedEvil | I meant to look at implementing that ages ago on a hp uipad thingy |
| 03:42.03 | SpeedEvil | ipaq |
| 03:42.08 | SpeedEvil | with finger-reader |
| 03:43.38 | DocScrutinizer | I just can't get used to it, for a pointer device |
| 03:43.54 | DocScrutinizer | it's somewhat anti-natural |
| 03:44.23 | DocScrutinizer | same with trackpoints |
| 03:45.01 | DocScrutinizer | actually trackpoints are even worse, like F' |
| 03:45.27 | SpeedEvil | I tend to use my keyboard under the blankets, so using a trackpoint is great. |
| 03:46.31 | DocScrutinizer | next step to drive me mad: make the cursor ballistic, so you can accelerate it and them have to decelerate aka "break" it |
| 03:46.56 | DocScrutinizer | that's F'' then |
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| 03:51.08 | DocScrutinizer | I want to *move* my hand to move the cursor. I don't like spinning wheels or rolling balls or remote controlling this spinning of wheels (trackpoint), to move the cursor where it belongs. Basically the less chance you have to operate the cursor 'blindly' (without constant feedback from screen) the less ergonomic the HID |
| 03:51.31 | SpeedEvil | sleep now. Night! |
| 03:51.38 | DocScrutinizer | night SpeedEvil |
| 03:53.40 | DocScrutinizer | nice test: try drawing a circle with a trackball or a trackpoint. Try even writing |
| 03:55.26 | DocScrutinizer | now try it with your eyes closed ;-D |
| 03:55.57 | DocScrutinizer | do same with a mouse, a touchscreen, a digitizer tablet |
| 03:56.37 | DocScrutinizer | you'll get my point |
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| 04:05.45 | DocScrutinizer | Sc0rpius: (multitouch) see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bv3X5y-ajtc |
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| 04:09.11 | DocScrutinizer | THAT is a really good touchscreen |
| 04:09.24 | DocScrutinizer | *multi*touch |
| 04:09.29 | DocScrutinizer | sensitive |
| 04:09.39 | DocScrutinizer | and *precise* |
| 04:10.23 | DocScrutinizer | works with all touching objects, not just fingers and wiener sausages, like capacitive ;-) |
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| 04:45.29 | krayon | DocScrutinizer: I was beginning to think I was the only person not drooling and getting excited by all the capacitive screen devices :P |
| 04:46.57 | DocScrutinizer | indeed you can start to feel somewhat depressed when listening to the general public. Here's a realm of r-ts fans though |
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| 05:07.21 | slonopotamus | hmm... new cssu says it will "upgrade" qt from 4.7.2 to 4.7.0. how's that? |
| 05:07.37 | slonopotamus | libqt4-dbus (4.7.2~git20110302-0maemo2+cssu2 => 4.7.0~git20100909-0maemo1+0cssu1) |
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| 05:29.13 | DocScrutinizer | qt4.7.2 is borked - we downgrade to 4.7.0 with patches backported |
| 05:30.01 | DocScrutinizer | slonopotamus: ^^^ |
| 05:30.54 | slonopotamus | okay, but why it says it is an upgrade then? and didn't you say one cannot do downgrades with apt? |
| 05:31.11 | DocScrutinizer | don't ask *me* |
| 05:31.29 | DocScrutinizer | I'm a noob to all packaging and apt things |
| 05:32.11 | DocScrutinizer | actually I myself am musing how this works |
| 05:33.03 | DocScrutinizer | but that's what MohammadAG told me some 6h ago |
| 05:37.10 | slonopotamus | that all sounds like a dark voodoo :) |
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| 06:14.31 | DocScrutinizer | Venemo: moo |
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| 06:15.06 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: wake up voodoomaster! :-D |
| 06:15.40 | Venemo | moo DocScrutinizer |
| 06:16.04 | ruskie | hmm fun... |
| 06:16.18 | DocScrutinizer | ruskie: ? |
| 06:16.30 | ruskie | I couldn't get a GPS lock at home no matter what I tried with either the N95 or the N900 |
| 06:16.35 | ruskie | and that was on the balcony |
| 06:16.58 | DocScrutinizer | ruskie: US airstrike pending, no doubt |
| 06:17.00 | ruskie | now that I'm @work inside the office... I got a lock like instantly |
| 06:17.45 | ruskie | I wonder if the bazillion wifi APs in the building have anything to do with it |
| 06:18.08 | DocScrutinizer | wifi shouldn't - wrong freq |
| 06:18.55 | ruskie | will have to test once I get home again to see if things work |
| 06:19.31 | DocScrutinizer | your home BTS might be messed up |
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| 06:20.24 | ruskie | BTS? |
| 06:22.04 | DocScrutinizer | I guess when rrlp can speed up GPS fixes, then it for sure can mess up GPS as well |
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| 06:22.10 | DocScrutinizer | ~rrlp |
| 06:22.10 | infobot | rumour has it, rrlp is the Radio Resource LCS (Location Service) Protocol as specified first in GSM TS 04.31, or http://security.osmocom.org/trac/wiki/RRLP |
| 06:22.42 | ruskie | well the N95 is sim-less so I was thinking it might be that |
| 06:22.54 | DocScrutinizer | :nod: |
| 06:23.02 | ruskie | but adding a working sim... no diff |
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| 06:23.12 | DocScrutinizer | it's questionable if rrlp works without SIM |
| 06:23.38 | ruskie | well it should since it's supposed to be abused for emergency calls |
| 06:23.45 | ruskie | and a sim-less phone should be able to make those |
| 06:23.48 | DocScrutinizer | maybe it's also questionable if it does *with* SIM ;-P |
| 06:24.29 | DocScrutinizer | ruskie: indeed, but seems this isn't actually the case at least for N900 |
| 06:24.40 | ruskie | ow? |
| 06:25.28 | ruskie | I thought it was part of the GSMA spec? |
| 06:25.29 | DocScrutinizer | I found *significant* reproducible differneces between a N900 with non-registered SIM, and a reference model without any SIM |
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| 06:26.13 | DocScrutinizer | and the issue moved together with the SIM, from DUT A to DUT B |
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| 06:26.34 | DocScrutinizer | well, actuall in the opposite direction :-) |
| 06:27.05 | DocScrutinizer | both devices sitting at same place, same moment started GPS |
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| 06:28.16 | DocScrutinizer | I think a device without SIM doesn't usually communcate at all with any BTS, unless you do a 911 call |
| 06:28.34 | DocScrutinizer | no idea how the unregistered SIM comes in |
| 06:29.00 | DocScrutinizer | and LLRP is an active protocol |
| 06:29.11 | ruskie | well I'll see again today... |
| 06:29.17 | DocScrutinizer | means your device has to transmit |
| 06:29.34 | DocScrutinizer | RRLP |
| 06:29.38 | ruskie | and will even try taking the n95 to a diff part of the building just to see if maybe that might be a remote posibility |
| 06:29.53 | ruskie | and I know I can get a GPS lock with any device where I was testing it last night |
| 06:30.16 | DocScrutinizer | I'd guess some random local interference spoiled your GPS |
| 06:30.27 | ruskie | possibly |
| 06:30.30 | ruskie | it was sunset time |
| 06:30.33 | ruskie | so that might be it |
| 06:30.39 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 06:30.53 | DocScrutinizer | don't think so |
| 06:31.09 | DocScrutinizer | it might have been a defect microwave or whatever |
| 06:31.49 | DocScrutinizer | though those also are usually wrong frequency - not if defect maybe |
| 06:32.03 | ruskie | I'm still wondering what kind of intereference 7 wifi APs could cause |
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| 06:32.23 | ruskie | and even that probably aren't all that are in the area |
| 06:32.29 | DocScrutinizer | also a microwave on wrong freq will as well leak like hell, as the lambda/2 seals won't work |
| 06:33.01 | ruskie | but wouldn't it need to be operational for that to actually occur? |
| 06:33.18 | DocScrutinizer | wifi, like BT, and usual microwaves, have the wrong frequency for interference with GPS |
| 06:33.39 | dm8tbr | note: anything with holes larger than lambda/10 will start to leak substantially |
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| 06:33.55 | DocScrutinizer | not lambda/2 seals :-) |
| 06:34.31 | DocScrutinizer | look at an arbitrary modern microwave - does that lok like a SEAL? |
| 06:34.35 | DocScrutinizer | look* |
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| 06:35.10 | DocScrutinizer | it's just they have exactly the right dimensions so the standing wave that builds up seals the thing |
| 06:35.22 | DocScrutinizer | the door frame that is |
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| 06:36.48 | DocScrutinizer | while a microwave usually seals well @ 2.4(?)GHz, it evidently didn't really stop my cellphone from working inside the closed MW-oven @ 1.8GHz |
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| 06:45.23 | DocScrutinizer | http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikrowellenofen >>Die Wellenlänge darf nicht geändert werden können, weil sonst die Resonanzdichtung des Türspaltes unwirksam wird.<< |
| 06:45.58 | DocScrutinizer | sorry, the english wikipedia article is quite a bit different and not as good as the german one |
| 06:46.57 | psycho_oreos | lol I was about to say `ja das ist gut, aber ich kanst nicht sprech sie Deutsch' |
| 06:47.02 | psycho_oreos | :D |
| 06:47.11 | DocScrutinizer | it says: "the frequency must not change, otherwise the resonance seal of the gap between door and housing will fail to work correctly" |
| 06:50.18 | dm8tbr | DocScrutinizer: that's why EM cells for testing have completely different seals :) |
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| 06:51.47 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, the microwave ovens of stone age also had 'real' seals, and I guess that's quite a part of why they were so expensive |
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| 06:56.13 | DocScrutinizer | ruskie: nevertheless I don't see how a MW-oven rsp the magnetron in there could change its frequency |
| 06:56.42 | ruskie | well something happened that caused issues... will see if it happens again today |
| 06:56.43 | DocScrutinizer | if it did, for some weird reason, odds are the user won't realize a difference |
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| 06:57.09 | ruskie | of course I'm not discounting that someone is running some jammer around as well |
| 06:57.43 | DocScrutinizer | easily possible. They used to do that in Iraq all the time |
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| 06:58.32 | ruskie | well around here I would assume it's some hobbyist |
| 06:59.58 | DocScrutinizer | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Error_analysis_for_the_Global_Positioning_System#Artificial_sources_of_interference |
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| 07:08.03 | DocScrutinizer | mmpf, phrack.org dead |
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| 07:16.30 | dangergrrl | DocScrutinizer: you read phrack? |
| 07:16.43 | DocScrutinizer | occasionally |
| 07:17.12 | dangergrrl | were you hacking into stuff in the 80s too? |
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| 07:17.18 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
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| 07:17.59 | DocScrutinizer | so no, I'm really no kid ;-D |
| 07:18.01 | dangergrrl | check out osuny |
| 07:18.25 | dangergrrl | it is ressurected |
| 07:18.29 | DocScrutinizer | at laest judging by my ID card |
| 07:20.26 | dangergrrl | i never asked your age |
| 07:20.27 | dangergrrl | i guessed ~40 by context |
| 07:20.27 | dangergrrl | and laughed at you called a kid |
| 07:20.28 | dangergrrl | it was funny |
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| 07:21.21 | dangergrrl | i suppose you could have been a child genius and likely were |
| 07:21.24 | dangergrrl | but if a child genius had been behind openmoko i would have heard about it |
| 07:22.06 | Arcueid_ | Phrack, huh? |
| 07:22.13 | Arcueid_ | Wonder if 2600 still works somewhere. |
| 07:22.36 | Arcueid_ | I still remember how I cursed the day I found out my country had switched to ccitt-7... |
| 07:23.05 | Arcueid_ | I still can't believe I marched in, as a kid, |
| 07:23.16 | DocScrutinizer | dangergrrl: http://www.osuny.com/ |
| 07:23.19 | DocScrutinizer | ? |
| 07:23.38 | Arcueid_ | into the local telecom, asking people about frequencies. They bought it when I told it was about school homework. |
| 07:24.07 | Arcueid_ | Vanity's still a decent exploit. Guess it'll be till kingdom come. |
| 07:25.03 | dangergrrl | maybe in indonesia |
| 07:25.03 | dangergrrl | or nigeria |
| 07:25.03 | dangergrrl | land of scamsters |
| 07:25.09 | dangergrrl | that web site seems true |
| 07:25.19 | dangergrrl | exploits are fun |
| 07:25.30 | dangergrrl | and generally help the exploited |
| 07:25.36 | dangergrrl | if they are not morons |
| 07:26.39 | Arcueid_ | Yeah, back in the day, 2600'd work in a few african countries. |
| 07:26.48 | dangergrrl | back then i exploited the heck out of primos |
| 07:26.57 | dangergrrl | pr1mo? |
| 07:27.09 | Arcueid_ | Sorry, not that savvy. |
| 07:27.17 | Arcueid_ | I was mostly a kid back then. |
| 07:27.33 | dangergrrl | i used it to play with NASA |
| 07:27.59 | Arcueid_ | Tell me more, though don't cover all the bases. |
| 07:28.00 | Arcueid_ | I |
| 07:28.14 | Arcueid_ | Some researching is good. |
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| 07:28.49 | dangergrrl | it was the only phone exchange in houston you could blow off |
| 07:29.07 | dangergrrl | but you could only pulse dial it |
| 07:29.07 | dangergrrl | 713 44 |
| 07:29.07 | dangergrrl | itÅ a NT switch now i think |
| 07:29.15 | DocScrutinizer | http://www.2600.com/ |
| 07:29.26 | DocScrutinizer | ;-) |
| 07:29.56 | Arcueid_ | I wouldn't know. I'm way out of the civilized world. |
| 07:30.07 | dangergrrl | i think +1 713c 440 4050 is NASA information |
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| 07:30.14 | dangergrrl | a voice messagwe |
| 07:30.29 | Arcueid_ | I think my country never actually had operators, btw. |
| 07:31.40 | Arcueid_ | It just... Inherited the system. A few switches, god he knows where in the bloody countryside, |
| 07:31.50 | Arcueid_ | where people still worship trees, you know, |
| 07:32.02 | dangergrrl | in the 80s |
| 07:32.18 | Arcueid_ | likely still work with standard frequencies, but honestly, don't ask me where's that. |
| 07:32.26 | dangergrrl | there was still a plugboard in death valley ca |
| 07:32.57 | DocScrutinizer | LOL |
| 07:33.09 | dangergrrl | there was |
| 07:33.15 | dangergrrl | and itr was a big joke |
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| 07:33.16 | konttori | s |
| 07:33.26 | konttori | genius6 |
| 07:33.27 | dangergrrl | to ask for directory assistance |
| 07:33.36 | dangergrrl | for death valley california |
| 07:33.53 | dangergrrl | i actually got it once |
| 07:34.03 | dangergrrl | there were like 14 lines |
| 07:34.07 | dangergrrl | all payphones |
| 07:34.13 | DocScrutinizer | isn't it the area of those errr mormons(?) who refuse to even have electricity |
| 07:34.13 | dangergrrl | no direct dial |
| 07:34.29 | dangergrrl | mormons like electricity |
| 07:34.36 | dangergrrl | and making money off sinners |
| 07:34.50 | dangergrrl | which i think means you and me |
| 07:34.53 | DocScrutinizer | amish? |
| 07:35.01 | dangergrrl | amish |
| 07:35.07 | Arcueid_ | Last I heard they also like same-sex companionship, |
| 07:35.16 | Arcueid_ | a bit too much for their own tastes, actually. |
| 07:35.45 | dangergrrl | the mormons excommunicated my exgirlfriend for being transsexual and cutting her balls off |
| 07:35.47 | Arcueid_ | Weren't they building some sort of underground fallout shelter, or somethig? |
| 07:36.12 | dangergrrl | she did use a doctor |
| 07:36.30 | dangergrrl | but she was excommunicated for being trandgender |
| 07:36.51 | DocScrutinizer | she's better off that way |
| 07:36.59 | dangergrrl | i do not understand her |
| 07:37.09 | dangergrrl | she was still married to her wife as a man |
| 07:37.39 | dangergrrl | and got her balls chopped and was taking estrogen and the mormon wife sis not notice |
| 07:37.42 | dangergrrl | did |
| 07:37.54 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 07:38.05 | dangergrrl | true story |
| 07:38.16 | Arcueid_ | Doesn't ring false, |
| 07:38.32 | dangergrrl | someone i personally knew |
| 07:38.36 | Arcueid_ | you know, most couples, especially long time ones, don't really do the work, you see. |
| 07:38.36 | DocScrutinizer | now I know for sure getting excumunicated was the best thing to happen to her |
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| 07:39.19 | dangergrrl | well the mormons are better than other xtians in some ways but they still refuse to see truth |
| 07:39.43 | dangergrrl | we are part of an information system |
| 07:40.56 | dangergrrl | if you want to call me that i am just a complicated program interacting on the global web to produce intelligence |
| 07:41.03 | DocScrutinizer | we are just generation 100 or less of a somewhat beginning to see the truth biological deviation |
| 07:41.20 | dangergrrl | what we call sentience now is a joke |
| 07:41.39 | dangergrrl | we are amazing |
| 07:41.57 | Arcueid_ | Ok... |
| 07:42.00 | dangergrrl | we have thumbs |
| 07:42.11 | Arcueid_ | Now I'm really not sure what you're talking about, |
| 07:42.12 | dangergrrl | i use that one on the dogs all the time |
| 07:42.18 | Arcueid_ | though you really have me hooked. |
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| 07:42.36 | Arcueid_ | Please, further that. |
| 07:42.45 | dangergrrl | the dogs would like to go outside |
| 07:42.51 | dangergrrl | they have no thumbs |
| 07:43.04 | dangergrrl | need a human to turn the locks and knob |
| 07:43.08 | DocScrutinizer | I'm talking about religion and human awarenes/mind/spirit/consciousness at large |
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| 07:43.19 | dangergrrl | i am too |
| 07:43.49 | dangergrrl | but is belief in the singularity religion? |
| 07:44.04 | DocScrutinizer | we got science that earns that name at all, since like 200 years |
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| 07:44.26 | DocScrutinizer | a lot of our species hasn't even realized we're on that way |
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| 07:44.41 | dangergrrl | do we need someone with thumbs to turn then next key? |
| 07:44.49 | dangergrrl | -n |
| 07:45.14 | dangergrrl | dogs are clearly intelligent to an extent |
| 07:45.24 | dangergrrl | they have motives |
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| 07:45.37 | Arcueid_ | 's following |
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| 07:46.04 | dangergrrl | they pursue access to outside |
| 07:46.07 | DocScrutinizer | for a dog we're either dogs, or Gods |
| 07:46.12 | dangergrrl | and access to inside |
| 07:46.43 | dangergrrl | are not dogs and gods the same |
| 07:46.57 | dangergrrl | i doubt in german it makes sense |
| 07:46.59 | DocScrutinizer | for a dog probably yes |
| 07:47.01 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
| 07:47.21 | Arcueid_ | dangergrrl, ok, I'm following, but.. |
| 07:47.31 | Arcueid_ | If we're dogs, than's who's god? |
| 07:47.36 | dangergrrl | the maddest guy i respect |
| 07:47.49 | Arcueid_ | Sure, most people don't even get what's rationality, they're mostly emotional... |
| 07:47.54 | dangergrrl | says we come from sirius |
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| 07:48.11 | dangergrrl | i actually believe in panspermia |
| 07:48.15 | Arcueid_ | But who's gonna let us out of the dog pen? I didn't get that. |
| 07:48.21 | dangergrrl | only theory that makes sense |
| 07:48.28 | dangergrrl | we are |
| 07:48.46 | DocScrutinizer | I'm kinda fan of "there is no spoon" |
| 07:49.01 | dangergrrl | i know you know eris |
| 07:49.31 | DocScrutinizer | concept of religion is strange to me |
| 07:50.06 | dangergrrl | you have not read "Illuminatus"? |
| 07:50.45 | dangergrrl | it is a useful false abstraction |
| 07:51.03 | dangergrrl | they try to take our toys and make us zombies |
| 07:51.06 | Arcueid_ | Ok... |
| 07:51.13 | Arcueid_ | Let's go outside of the box. |
| 07:51.29 | dangergrrl | we fight back by increasing information |
| 07:51.34 | Arcueid_ | We're all living in a world that only exists because, somewhere along the line, |
| 07:51.49 | Arcueid_ | mr. Conan the Barbarian, the hyperborian, |
| 07:51.59 | Arcueid_ | thought... |
| 07:52.00 | dangergrrl | now you are going to challenge my solipsism |
| 07:52.31 | Arcueid_ | "Ok, so... Rather than kill every damn weakling my way, what if I make them work for me?" |
| 07:52.36 | Arcueid_ | So, society was born. |
| 07:52.49 | DocScrutinizer | "dear Mr God, in the instruction manual we clearly advices users of our simulation >Universe< *not* to turn the afinity parameters of rhibonukleoid acids above the level of 45. You mustn't be surprised now when there are strange things happening in your simulation run..." |
| 07:53.18 | dangergrrl | but there are infinite universes |
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| 07:53.38 | dangergrrl | there is one where you are the leader of the reich |
| 07:53.39 | Arcueid_ | I don't quite challenge solipsism, I'm actually pretty sure we live in meat sacks. |
| 07:54.00 | dangergrrl | meat sacks are sucky |
| 07:54.22 | Arcueid_ | The thing is... How do we, as a group, transcend current limitations? We're still a bunch of wild penned monkeys, in a sense. |
| 07:54.55 | Arcueid_ | Can't argue with you there, but still, I'm all too dependant on my mine to complain about it. |
| 07:55.14 | dangergrrl | mine has a liver that could fail |
| 07:55.22 | dangergrrl | i love beer |
| 07:56.03 | dangergrrl | i with the help of obviously non engineers got my bike in maintenance mode |
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| 07:56.34 | dangergrrl | used a floor jack and lack of mathematical knowledge |
| 07:57.05 | dangergrrl | sorry i had republicans to deal with |
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| 07:57.37 | dangergrrl | i am expected to go away soon |
| 07:57.59 | dangergrrl | i need my n900 to be the linux pc i bought |
| 07:58.41 | Arcueid_ | Got a keyboard and mouse? |
| 07:59.02 | dangergrrl | not for n900 |
| 07:59.07 | Arcueid_ | It does fulfill that role, as long as you have some bluetooth human interface devices. |
| 07:59.34 | dangergrrl | i am trying to port miro |
| 07:59.46 | dangergrrl | i want democracy now |
| 07:59.53 | dangergrrl | and rt.com |
| 08:00.13 | dangergrrl | i am soviet |
| 08:00.58 | Arcueid_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:01.09 | Arcueid_ | Or from somewhere up there? |
| 08:01.27 | Arcueid_ | I'm not too linux savvy. I'm also afraid I missed a joke. =x |
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| 08:02.14 | dangergrrl | an american societ |
| 08:02.24 | dangergrrl | it was a song in the 80s |
| 08:02.31 | dangergrrl | by a band named CCCP |
| 08:02.55 | DocScrutinizer | I want a unix cmd named like that ;-) |
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| 08:03.17 | Termana | good morning |
| 08:03.17 | dangergrrl | but we are the cccp |
| 08:03.56 | dangergrrl | how do i stop the fighting in bahrain? |
| 08:04.37 | dangergrrl | the suni deserve representation |
| 08:05.07 | dangergrrl | and iraq only wants to become dine |
| 08:05.25 | Arcueid_ | You don't. |
| 08:05.32 | dangergrrl | (din a long) |
| 08:05.50 | Arcueid_ | You gather like-minded people, |
| 08:06.03 | Arcueid_ | and then, go around challenging consensus. |
| 08:06.13 | dangergrrl | i live with wrong minded people |
| 08:06.15 | Arcueid_ | That's what you do. |
| 08:06.31 | dangergrrl | one of which i created |
| 08:06.42 | Arcueid_ | I considered going to the middle east, you know, earning a few thousand bucks as a mercenary. |
| 08:07.03 | dangergrrl | i doubt they would hire me |
| 08:07.09 | Arcueid_ | I chickened out, mostly because... Well, that place is a bloody warzone. lol. |
| 08:07.18 | dangergrrl | you know blackwater is native american owned |
| 08:07.29 | Arcueid_ | Blackwater? |
| 08:07.41 | DocScrutinizer | burrp |
| 08:07.53 | dangergrrl | the biggest private army in the world |
| 08:08.11 | Arcueid_ | Just read a bit on it. |
| 08:08.11 | DocScrutinizer | biggest club of morons |
| 08:08.14 | Arcueid_ | Scary. |
| 08:08.23 | dangergrrl | DocScrutinizer: you know this |
| 08:08.29 | dangergrrl | help me |
| 08:08.39 | dangergrrl | i need some weed |
| 08:09.54 | dangergrrl | so how do we get devices to the inteligensia and also to the masses? |
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| 08:10.22 | Arcueid_ | Err... |
| 08:10.38 | Arcueid_ | Somebody please tell me that I wasn't klined for swearing. |
| 08:10.44 | dangergrrl | is blackwater mormon? |
| 08:10.50 | dangergrrl | nope |
| 08:11.06 | dangergrrl | they let me say fuck |
| 08:11.14 | dangergrrl | sorry |
| 08:11.28 | Arcueid_ | Let's cover some moral ground... |
| 08:11.46 | dangergrrl | where do you get your morals |
| 08:11.50 | Arcueid_ | Honestly, would any of you have a problem with killing people? |
| 08:11.56 | dangergrrl | let us start there |
| 08:12.01 | dangergrrl | of course |
| 08:12.25 | dangergrrl | i could not kill george walker bush |
| 08:12.37 | dangergrrl | though he is a war criminal |
| 08:12.50 | dangergrrl | and guilty of crimes against humanity |
| 08:12.58 | DocScrutinizer | well, I had a problem with killing a bird when I was 16. Never tried how that works for me with humans |
| 08:12.59 | jaska | he belongs in an ape house. |
| 08:13.05 | dangergrrl | i could not kill him |
| 08:13.11 | dangergrrl | jaska |
| 08:13.19 | dangergrrl | you win |
| 08:13.24 | dangergrrl | that is lulz |
| 08:13.40 | dangergrrl | i could put him in an ape house |
| 08:13.43 | jaska | :D |
| 08:14.27 | dangergrrl | so how do i extract myself |
| 08:14.55 | dangergrrl | the n900 would have my world with 2gb of ram |
| 08:15.13 | dangergrrl | dual core 1.5 ghz a9 |
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| 08:15.32 | Arcueid_ | Wait for the n950. |
| 08:15.50 | jaska | and a hmm.. miniature atomic battery?:) |
| 08:15.51 | Arcueid_ | Whatever the fuck's Elop planning on. |
| 08:16.05 | dangergrrl | my sleepin like a baby days are over |
| 08:16.11 | dangergrrl | i must leave here |
| 08:16.27 | Arcueid_ | Honestly, as soon as I can code something, I'll code some app called "Let's Elop". |
| 08:16.39 | Arcueid_ | It'll be a heterossexual grindr-like app. |
| 08:16.44 | dangergrrl | you can not code? |
| 08:17.05 | Arcueid_ | Humans? Been doing it since birth. |
| 08:17.12 | Arcueid_ | Computers? Still too lazy to do it. |
| 08:17.39 | dangergrrl | my first language is C |
| 08:18.01 | dangergrrl | muttersprachen |
| 08:18.24 | Arcueid_ | Well, your platform is way ahead of mine |
| 08:18.39 | Arcueid_ | MIne's still has a lot of trouble compiling simple code. |
| 08:18.49 | Arcueid_ | You can still whip it into shape though. |
| 08:18.58 | Arcueid_ | Take that however you like. lol |
| 08:20.23 | dangergrrl | main(){char*msg="hello world¨; printf(msg) ;} |
| 08:20.45 | Arcueid_ | Wanna learn "hello world" in human? |
| 08:21.04 | dangergrrl | i already know human |
| 08:21.23 | Arcueid_ | Maybe, all of us know that... |
| 08:21.29 | Arcueid_ | We just don't know that we know. |
| 08:21.38 | dangergrrl | unless you know where my mj went |
| 08:22.20 | Arcueid_ | Sorry, I don't get the MJ. |
| 08:22.57 | dangergrrl | hemp? |
| 08:23.30 | dangergrrl | better than fermentation |
| 08:23.31 | Arcueid_ | Oh, grass and whatnot. |
| 08:23.59 | Arcueid_ | Nah, I don't know grass. |
| 08:24.09 | Arcueid_ | Last time I tried making some sense out of it, |
| 08:24.16 | dangergrrl | i had a wonderfully rolled fag of it |
| 08:24.26 | Arcueid_ | I smoked some and went to a bar. |
| 08:24.39 | dangergrrl | bad idea |
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| 08:25.00 | dangergrrl | smaok and write code |
| 08:25.00 | Arcueid_ | I still recall the distinct sensation of drinking beer, and... Listening to the beer echoing, as it hid my stomach. |
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| 08:25.51 | Arcueid_ | I don't recall listening to anything else as it hit that area, but well, strange things happen. |
| 08:25.52 | dangergrrl | it gives you coprocessors |
| 08:26.27 | Arcueid_ | I'd say, computer-wise, it just messes the instructions... |
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| 08:26.47 | dangergrrl | did you know frank zappa and george carlin are saved mormons? |
| 08:26.49 | Arcueid_ | And given that humans have no error codes, well, you get what you get. lol. |
| 08:26.57 | Arcueid_ | ZAPPA!? |
| 08:27.10 | dangergrrl | posthumous |
| 08:27.19 | Arcueid_ | Godamnit. |
| 08:27.39 | dangergrrl | the mormos church says you can save nonbelievers |
| 08:27.49 | Arcueid_ | That's profanation. |
| 08:28.00 | dangergrrl | it is funny |
| 08:28.13 | dangergrrl | like roflmao |
| 08:28.33 | Arcueid_ | They better not save me :~ |
| 08:28.40 | dangergrrl | and they claim alexander the great |
| 08:28.50 | dangergrrl | in heaven willing or not |
| 08:29.35 | dangergrrl | well if they grabbed dr sagan it might not suck |
| 08:30.18 | dangergrrl | contemplates heaven with dr sagan |
| 08:30.48 | Arcueid_ | What's mormon heaven like? |
| 08:30.49 | dangergrrl | carl would tell them that it did not fit objective data |
| 08:30.59 | dangergrrl | i dunno |
| 08:31.16 | Arcueid_ | Maybe it doesn't suck. |
| 08:31.18 | dangergrrl | maybe you get virgins and stuff like moslim heaven |
| 08:31.30 | Arcueid_ | Heavy emphasis on the Maybe part. |
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| 08:31.55 | dangergrrl | they think they get 13 virgins forever for killing infidel |
| 08:32.21 | Arcueid_ | What's the big deal with virgins, anyway? |
| 08:32.31 | dangergrrl | how do they stay virgin if the guy gets to have his way with them? |
| 08:32.35 | Arcueid_ | They perform in bed, like... |
| 08:32.36 | Arcueid_ | Well... |
| 08:32.39 | dangergrrl | i dunno |
| 08:32.41 | Arcueid_ | Virgins, anyway. |
| 08:32.58 | dangergrrl | i had one experience with one |
| 08:32.58 | Arcueid_ | Maybe they're tight. |
| 08:33.07 | dangergrrl | but i was too |
| 08:33.23 | Arcueid_ | What was your experience like? |
| 08:33.49 | dangergrrl | you don' t want to know |
| 08:34.06 | Arcueid_ | Sounds nasty. |
| 08:34.20 | dangergrrl | it was ok |
| 08:34.47 | dangergrrl | ZZ Top "pearl necklace"was playing loud in the next room |
| 08:35.06 | Arcueid_ | Have yoy heard the translation thing on the "virgin" stuff? |
| 08:35.13 | dangergrrl | i was in the closet floor |
| 08:35.35 | Arcueid_ | Pearl necklace... |
| 08:35.36 | Arcueid_ | Virgins... |
| 08:35.43 | Arcueid_ | It does sound interesting. |
| 08:35.46 | dangergrrl | with a girl who chased me around astroworld for hours |
| 08:36.42 | Arcueid_ | Was it nice? |
| 08:36.50 | Arcueid_ | I've never had a same sex experience, so far. |
| 08:36.59 | dangergrrl | i was listening to a band called "rock goddess"that day |
| 08:37.05 | Arcueid_ | Not in bed. I've had a few good times with boys. |
| 08:37.15 | Arcueid_ | But not down there. |
| 08:37.22 | dangergrrl | it was dissasociative |
| 08:37.50 | Arcueid_ | How so? |
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| 08:38.19 | dangergrrl | i imagined how she might feel and went with that |
| 08:38.43 | dangergrrl | i had body parts i should not have |
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| 08:39.18 | Arcueid_ | You know what I'm gonna ask next. |
| 08:39.24 | Arcueid_ | Just go ahead. lol. |
| 08:39.31 | dangergrrl | what i am trans |
| 08:39.37 | dangergrrl | duh |
| 08:39.49 | Arcueid_ | mtf, or ftm? |
| 08:40.04 | dangergrrl | mtf and maybe ftm too |
| 08:40.18 | dangergrrl | genderqueer |
| 08:40.43 | Arcueid_ | Well... While I'm all for that, psychologically, |
| 08:41.02 | Arcueid_ | you know, bodies just don't quite work that way, usually. |
| 08:41.44 | dangergrrl | well a penis is convenient if you want to unf girls or be a top in general |
| 08:42.02 | dangergrrl | iḿ not a top |
| 08:42.40 | Arcueid_ | Things are tough in the homefront, shall we say. |
| 08:43.04 | Arcueid_ | I don't quite care what people want to do with their bodies. I really don't. |
| 08:43.12 | dangergrrl | anyhow what can you compile? |
| 08:43.16 | Arcueid_ | I actually have a few female online identities |
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| 08:43.39 | Arcueid_ | Honestly? Computerwise, nothing. |
| 08:43.50 | dangergrrl | i have an almost oerfect female body |
| 08:44.14 | dangergrrl | excvept for a substantial thing in the middle |
| 08:44.38 | Arcueid_ | I could spend all day talking to you about human psychology, but I'm not too much of a computer programmer. Not sure you ask about that, though. lol |
| 08:44.57 | Arcueid_ | Well... Let's get down to it... |
| 08:45.04 | dangergrrl | what? |
| 08:45.23 | Arcueid_ | I actually like the whole 4chan anonymous philosophy. |
| 08:45.31 | dangergrrl | i want to go out with the cute blonde chick who digs my bike |
| 08:45.44 | dangergrrl | she works at the gas station |
| 08:46.05 | Arcueid_ | We should all be able to weave identities out of the thin air. |
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| 08:46.28 | Arcueid_ | Hmmm... And what's keeping you? |
| 08:46.53 | Arcueid_ | There's the whole PUA thing going on... |
| 08:47.12 | Arcueid_ | Maybe you could adapt that "rooting" method to you situation... |
| 08:47.15 | dangergrrl | uhm i would have to act really butch to ask her out |
| 08:47.47 | Arcueid_ | Most people are as dumb as rock. |
| 08:47.52 | dangergrrl | i mean i wear leather and ride a big bike |
| 08:47.58 | dangergrrl | but i am very femme |
| 08:48.08 | Arcueid_ | I'd let you do me, or honestly, I'd do you. |
| 08:48.21 | Arcueid_ | I ride an old two stroke, btw. |
| 08:48.25 | Arcueid_ | Rz 350. |
| 08:48.32 | dangergrrl | you don't lmow me |
| 08:48.36 | dangergrrl | know |
| 08:48.55 | Arcueid_ | You're right, you just don't sound like a brick, though. |
| 08:49.22 | Arcueid_ | I like non-brick people. |
| 08:49.26 | dangergrrl | i am severely brain damaged |
| 08:49.31 | dangergrrl | and tested to 142 |
| 08:50.06 | Arcueid_ | Not sure what does that mean. |
| 08:50.15 | dangergrrl | not bad for losing head vs concrete |
| 08:50.37 | dangergrrl | it means 4 stddev above "normal" |
| 08:51.08 | dangergrrl | but i need safety |
| 08:51.15 | dangergrrl | and i need girl power |
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| 08:51.49 | dangergrrl | i ride a 6 cylinder gold wing 1520 |
| 08:52.07 | Arcueid_ | Society relies on deviants to make it grow. |
| 08:52.48 | Arcueid_ | Everywhere else, it relies on open market to work. But mostly, deviants are really the ones pushing it forward. |
| 08:52.56 | dangergrrl | iam not a deviant just a rather vanilla girl who likes bikes and leather and code |
| 08:52.58 | Arcueid_ | How fast can you goldwing go? |
| 08:53.08 | dangergrrl | only like 130 or so |
| 08:53.28 | dangergrrl | 0-60 it is fun |
| 08:53.59 | Arcueid_ | Well, I like fast bikes which make blue smoke and require a shitton of maintenance, but still give me a hell of a ride. |
| 08:54.18 | dangergrrl | i want to see the world |
| 08:54.32 | Arcueid_ | Why don't you? |
| 08:54.41 | ruskie | because it costs money? |
| 08:54.54 | Arcueid_ | Nuff said, can't argue with you there. |
| 08:55.55 | Arcueid_ | Still, honestly, I guess that if you're born in the US or in Europe, you've got a free pass to the rest of the world... |
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| 08:56.40 | ruskie | really? |
| 08:57.11 | dangergrrl | not true |
| 08:57.33 | dangergrrl | my income is way more than nigerians |
| 08:57.53 | dangergrrl | but less than retired europeans |
| 08:58.15 | ruskie | hmm |
| 08:58.20 | dangergrrl | last night |
| 08:58.21 | ruskie | depends on the EU country |
| 08:58.24 | dangergrrl | i dreampt |
| 08:58.32 | dangergrrl | somebody loved me |
| 08:58.37 | ruskie | around here one doesn't really get all that money |
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| 08:58.59 | dangergrrl | i doubt i could live reasonably in eu for 1400 us/mo |
| 08:59.18 | ruskie | homeowning or renting? |
| 08:59.29 | dangergrrl | i would rather live in stalingrad anyhow |
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| 08:59.44 | dangergrrl | sy petersburg |
| 08:59.52 | dangergrrl | or whatever it is called now |
| 09:00.03 | ruskie | that's 980 eur/month... my net sallary is 1100 eur/month but I'm lucky that I'm a homeowner not a renter |
| 09:00.23 | dangergrrl | how could i own a home in eur for that? |
| 09:00.37 | ruskie | you inherit it from parents/grandparents/etc... |
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| 09:01.12 | dangergrrl | my ancestors murdered native americans instead of leaving me a legacy |
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| 09:02.11 | ruskie | anyways lunch... |
| 09:02.25 | Arcueid_ | Lunch sounds funny. |
| 09:02.31 | Arcueid_ | It's late late night in here. |
| 09:02.45 | Arcueid_ | Oh well. It's a big world. |
| 09:03.03 | dangergrrl | i expect the germans to put me in my place soon |
| 09:03.22 | Arcueid_ | Btw... |
| 09:03.32 | dangergrrl | whut? |
| 09:03.43 | Arcueid_ | While my ancestors didn't get the change to murder native americans, |
| 09:04.07 | Arcueid_ | they sure had their way in... Domesticating african people, shall we say. |
| 09:04.19 | Arcueid_ | I'm of english/spanish brazilian coast ancestry. |
| 09:04.23 | jacekowski | well, they failed to be honest |
| 09:04.28 | dangergrrl | we are all guilty of crimes of ancestry |
| 09:04.35 | Arcueid_ | In other worlds... Slavers. |
| 09:04.39 | jacekowski | african people spread around the world |
| 09:04.54 | jacekowski | and now keep living on benefits |
| 09:05.16 | Arcueid_ | Somewhat. Btw, hi there jacekowski. I think I know you from talk, and I like your contributions there. |
| 09:05.20 | dangergrrl | and aryan people are often arrogant |
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| 09:06.08 | Arcueid_ | In brazil we don't have a race card... There's stirring for a sex card, from gay people, |
| 09:06.13 | dangergrrl | if it had not been for kepler |
| 09:06.43 | dangergrrl | descartes was a weenie it turns out |
| 09:07.01 | dangergrrl | says you can not understand culculus without god |
| 09:07.05 | Arcueid_ | but mostly, gentlemen of color, shall we say, were mostly incorporated into society as second class citizens. |
| 09:07.09 | dangergrrl | cal |
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| 09:07.34 | dangergrrl | in brazil i would make good money in film |
| 09:07.39 | dangergrrl | i would be a slave |
| 09:07.50 | dangergrrl | but they would keep me drugged |
| 09:08.42 | jacekowski | where are you now? |
| 09:09.00 | Arcueid_ | Not quite, I'm afraid. |
| 09:09.13 | Arcueid_ | In soviet brazil, govermnent owns you. |
| 09:10.00 | Arcueid_ | I'm sure the president's computer runs a pirated windows copy, but digital freedom is as far as we'll go. |
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| 09:13.01 | Arcueid_ | Well.. |
| 09:13.11 | Arcueid_ | Time for me to hit the sheats. |
| 09:13.35 | Arcueid_ | Thanks for the good conversation, all, and hope to see you soon. |
| 09:13.46 | Arcueid_ | Stay free. |
| 09:14.19 | dangergrrl | nn |
| 09:14.42 | dangergrrl | me |
| 09:14.50 | dangergrrl | in texas |
| 09:15.36 | dangergrrl | a captive of myself |
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| 09:33.45 | chem|st | re |
| 09:34.04 | chem|st | who likes capa MT? |
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| 09:41.14 | e-yes | Lol topic |
| 09:41.53 | e-yes | Don't fix problems - just put your head to safeplace |
| 09:42.03 | e-yes | So |
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| 09:43.08 | e-yes | Is there any alternative for users? |
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| 10:43.27 | DocScrutinizer | ? |
| 10:43.50 | DocScrutinizer | e-yes loves to talk in riddles |
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| 10:47.32 | MohammadAG | DBus driving me nuts |
| 10:47.56 | MohammadAG | I need to connect method call sender=:1.32 -> dest=com.nokia.HildonDesktop.AppMgr serial=444 path=/com/nokia/HildonDesktop/AppMgr; interface=com.nokia.HildonDesktop.AppMgr; member=LaunchApplication |
| 10:47.56 | MohammadAG | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:06.55 | ham5 | loltopic |
| 11:08.26 | MohammadAG | most pointless thread ever http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=73590 |
| 11:09.08 | ham5 | has anyone made the ' my phone is on its face, reject all calls ' program? |
| 11:09.26 | MohammadAG | He kinda reminds me of Portal 2's wheatley in chapter 4 |
| 11:09.38 | MohammadAG | ham5, nope, not that I know of |
| 11:10.04 | ham5 | dont even rember those bots names in that game letalone what chapter was what |
| 11:10.34 | MohammadAG | you can't forget wheatley if you played through portal 2... |
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| 11:10.57 | ham5 | im telling ya |
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| 11:16.42 | merlin1991 | wheatley is burned into my head |
| 11:16.43 | merlin1991 | :D |
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| 11:21.27 | kerio | merlin1991: spaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaace |
| 11:21.54 | merlin1991 | this is the part ... WHERE I KILL YOU |
| 11:22.35 | ham5 | pluged him right in at the begging, but at the end you needed 3 cores ;\ |
| 11:22.49 | kerio | ham5: glados was already corrupted |
| 11:22.58 | kerio | she had been dead for quite a while after all |
| 11:23.08 | ham5 | riiiight |
| 11:24.19 | kerio | "Corrupted core, are you ready to start the procedure?" "What do you think?" "Interpreting vague answer as yes" "No no no no no no no no" "Stalemate detected" |
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| 11:37.13 | BCMM | anyone know if fcamera is at all maintained? |
| 11:37.33 | ham5 | cant check when the last update was? |
| 11:38.28 | BCMM | september '10, but maybe they haven't had any bug reports since then? :) |
| 11:39.06 | ham5 | yea or hes not developing |
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| 11:43.59 | chem|st | MohammadAG: those nitdroid people are puppets aren't they? |
| 11:44.10 | chem|st | ehrm droids... |
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| 11:54.06 | Corsac | those are not the droids you are looking for |
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| 12:35.53 | Psi | whats the best way to get an audio line-in on the n900? bluetooth soundcard? |
| 12:36.18 | SpeedEvil | If you need stereo, it's the ony way |
| 12:36.34 | SpeedEvil | Well - USB audio and host-mode too. |
| 12:36.35 | Psi | what about mono? |
| 12:36.50 | SpeedEvil | In principle, you can do mono in through a headset-like thing. |
| 12:37.02 | Psi | true |
| 12:37.05 | Psi | using the mic channel |
| 12:37.07 | SpeedEvil | However, I don't know of any cabling to do this. |
| 12:37.31 | SpeedEvil | I suspect that the composite in cable can do this - but you would need to setup the hardware in unexpected-to-the-software ways. |
| 12:37.45 | SpeedEvil | And it may expect quite a low audio level. |
| 12:37.52 | Psi | i guess ya could also streem it to the n900 over wifi |
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| 12:38.50 | Psi | how is the n900's bluetooth system, does it support most bluetooth devices a normal linux box does? |
| 12:41.30 | SpeedEvil | Not played with bluetooth much. |
| 12:41.57 | Psi | thanks anyway |
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| 12:47.40 | jacekowski | Psi: it's standard bluez stack |
| 12:47.53 | Psi | cool |
| 12:48.08 | jacekowski | Psi: with some features disabled |
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| 12:52.36 | Jaffa | QML question: how do you change the title of the window from the package name? |
| 12:53.50 | mtnbkr | regarding bluetooth and my N900, I can not use it with my BT ear pice. The sound is terrible, sometimes static, sometimes robot voice, and sometimes a little of both. Same earpiece works crystal clear with other phones though. :( |
| 12:54.18 | flux | I had a similar issue with one bluetooth. well, not that bad. I guess there are some subtle compatibility issues. |
| 12:54.30 | Jaffa | Ah, viewer.setWindowTitle("Attitude"); |
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| 12:57.15 | jacekowski | well, bluez isn't the best bluetooth stack around |
| 12:57.24 | jacekowski | but it's only linux stack |
| 13:01.24 | flux | the only foss one that is. at least ericsson used to have a stack for their chips. |
| 13:02.06 | flux | (but I know that it was discontinued, so bluez might just as well be the only one left :)) |
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| 13:18.12 | merlin1991 | X-Fade: ping |
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| 13:21.24 | merlin1991 | X-Fade: I know you're here, so whatabout my cloak? |
| 13:22.53 | chem|st | merlin1991: lol |
| 13:23.06 | chem|st | "I know you read me!" |
| 13:23.22 | merlin1991 | chem|st: yea :P |
| 13:23.55 | chem|st | merlin1991: what about your cloak?! what about my access list entry... |
| 13:24.13 | chem|st | a cloak would be nice to |
| 13:24.25 | chem|st | actualy I do not care much for both |
| 13:24.44 | merlin1991 | chem|st: cloak is approved, all it needs is him to poke some freenode staff afaik |
| 13:25.12 | merlin1991 | and I keep waiting for that :P |
| 13:25.35 | edheldil | what is cloak good for? |
| 13:26.16 | merlin1991 | show that you belong to some group / company / whateveritsaysinyourcloak and cloaks your ip |
| 13:26.21 | chem|st | edheldil: your reverse-dns entry or IP get cloaked with some status in a group |
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| 13:26.36 | PBeck | hi |
| 13:26.53 | chem|st | edheldil: like 15:09 -!- Thierry_ (New Now Know How) [~chatzilla@nat/trolltech/x-rdaldwtqqxvhllaz] has joined #maemo15:09 -!- Thierry_ (New Now Know How) [~chatzilla@nat/trolltech/x-rdaldwtqqxvhllaz] has joined #maemo |
| 13:27.04 | edheldil | ty. I thought there's more to it :) |
| 13:27.10 | chem|st | edheldil: nope |
| 13:27.10 | Lynoure | if your web presense is very strong, and you come from a static ip, don't trust the IP hiding, it's not doing you any good if someone hates you :) |
| 13:27.11 | PBeck | anybody knows a good dictionary for english chinese - with pinyin and chinese symbols? |
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| 13:27.21 | edheldil | and I do not realized they show in login/parting messages |
| 13:27.36 | edheldil | s/do/have/ |
| 13:27.38 | PBeck | http://www.androidpit.de/de/android/market/apps/app/com.embermitre.hanping.app/Hanping-Chinese-Dictionary <= i think that describes it very good |
| 13:27.45 | chem|st | Lynoure: dcc request... |
| 13:28.23 | chem|st | PBeck: wrong channel for droid questions |
| 13:28.45 | Lynoure | chem|st: is just one possible way. |
| 13:29.07 | Lynoure | chem|st: or do you mean cloaked people can still be dcced somehow? |
| 13:29.19 | PBeck | chem|st: you have to read the complete question. I want only to show what i mean. I searching of course for maemo |
| 13:29.52 | chem|st | Lynoure: the latter |
| 13:29.53 | PBeck | chem|st: but i think maemo is here not the right os ;) Symbian has here more potential ;) |
| 13:30.01 | andre__ | PBeck, maybe MStarDict? Don't know if there's files around |
| 13:30.21 | chem|st | PBeck: what andre__ said... |
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| 13:31.05 | PBeck | andre__: i have not found any usefull dict file. Perhaps i am to stupid for searching. All link in the maemo forum goes into a 404 ;) |
| 13:31.22 | andre__ | PBeck, http://stardict.sourceforge.net/Dictionaries.php ? |
| 13:31.26 | andre__ | first hit on google. |
| 13:31.43 | PBeck | andre__: yes of course, but now pinyin to english |
| 13:31.55 | PBeck | i cant read the chinese characters ;) |
| 13:32.03 | andre__ | PBeck, Pinyin is not a language, is it? |
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| 13:32.22 | andre__ | I guess you want to look for a language instead of a script. |
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| 13:32.52 | andre__ | plus there are clickable links on that website I just posted. |
| 13:33.05 | PBeck | andre__: pinyin is chinese in latin characters |
| 13:33.17 | andre__ | urgh |
| 13:33.42 | PBeck | ? |
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| 13:38.01 | chem|st | PBeck: are you looking for chinese english or what? |
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| 13:41.22 | chem|st | PBeck: you are looking for a character map not a dictonary |
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| 13:52.26 | PBeck | chem|st: both - englisch - pinyin with chinese characters - for showing |
| 13:52.48 | chem|st | no idea |
| 13:53.06 | chem|st | you can make your own... |
| 13:53.53 | PBeck | chem|st: hanping has a collegue and its very useful ;) In china you can forget english ;) |
| 13:54.07 | PBeck | chem|st: yeah of course ;) |
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| 14:11.45 | Khertan | Hello : |
| 14:11.46 | Khertan | ! |
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| 14:14.02 | Venemo | hello |
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| 15:02.59 | ruskie | so apparently the N95 is completly useless in offline mode... |
| 15:03.44 | ShadowJK | are you surprised |
| 15:03.49 | ruskie | not really |
| 15:04.20 | ruskie | well I guess I'll keep it as an alarm clock... that's the only real use it's meant for I guess... |
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| 15:06.49 | ruskie | and sadly the bluetooth gps magic doesn't seem to work as well |
| 15:07.46 | ruskie | atleast the n900 to n95 bt |
| 15:08.00 | ruskie | maybe if I spend some cash on an actualy bt gps it might actually be usable |
| 15:10.49 | ShadowJK | n900 has bugs accessing certain bluetooth gps receivers |
| 15:11.15 | ShadowJK | it drops speed and heading data, making ovi maps always point north and update slowly |
| 15:11.24 | ruskie | well it's not for the n900 |
| 15:11.32 | ruskie | it's for the n95 |
| 15:12.05 | ruskie | hmm used nokia LD-3W for 30 eur |
| 15:12.22 | ShadowJK | doesnt it have its own gps? |
| 15:12.33 | ruskie | which doesn't work in offline mode |
| 15:12.37 | ruskie | apparently |
| 15:12.38 | ShadowJK | lol |
| 15:12.44 | ruskie | the n900 will get a fix like in a couple of seconds |
| 15:12.53 | ruskie | the n95 won't even after a long time |
| 15:12.58 | ShadowJK | if it has been recently online |
| 15:13.04 | ShadowJK | or recently had a gps fix |
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| 15:16.58 | ruskie | well put my sim in... now waiting to see if it'll get any lock... |
| 15:17.10 | ruskie | and enabled agps and network |
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| 15:22.01 | dRbiG | do we have a c64 emulator for n900? |
| 15:22.15 | dRbiG | or do I have to port one |
| 15:23.38 | SpeedEvil | http://maemo.org/packages/search/ - reveals null result for commodore, and c64 |
| 15:23.55 | peetah | dRbiG: vice |
| 15:24.03 | dRbiG | i did check via the appmanager but i don't have extras/devel repos |
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| 15:24.11 | dRbiG | so i'm asking |
| 15:24.25 | dRbiG | vice, frodo what else |
| 15:24.41 | dRbiG | peetah: .deb anywhere? |
| 15:25.19 | peetah | in one of the official repositories, don't remember which one though |
| 15:25.39 | dRbiG | okay, so i'll look first :) |
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| 15:27.51 | peetah | here is the tmo thread: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=48171 |
| 15:28.17 | dRbiG | extras-devel, thank you! |
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| 15:29.17 | chem|st | ruskie: waited the 12 mins? if cache download is aborted in between it takes another 12 minutes... |
| 15:29.43 | ruskie | chem|st, probably left it untouched for 30 minutes |
| 15:29.58 | chem|st | ruskie: weird... |
| 15:30.17 | ruskie | but atm letting it see what it can |
| 15:33.30 | chem|st | ruskie: google says it depends on the software used, remember n900 ovi maps getting no connection when offline?! |
| 15:33.57 | ruskie | never used n900 ovi maps |
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| 15:34.16 | ruskie | but atm trying to get the n95 in online mode to actually work... still no lock on gps |
| 15:34.18 | chem|st | was one of the first n900 gps bug reports |
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| 15:37.00 | ShadowJK | uh, "no connection"? |
| 15:38.01 | ShadowJK | the only thing they changed in ovi maps was to not switch gps immediately off when screen blanked |
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| 15:42.37 | Trewas | ovi maps is hugely annoying without network connection, every time the screen has been blanked for a minute it asks if the I allow roaming data use (no) and then that internet connection failed, retry? (no)... and the same thing again a minute later |
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| 15:43.10 | ruskie | gives up on n95 for anything but alarm clock use |
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| 15:47.09 | chem|st | ShadowJK: that prolly was the first ^^ |
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| 15:49.20 | mr_jrt | @ruskie Poor N95. |
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| 16:07.04 | Venemo | MohammadAG, most pointless thread ever is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=73419 |
| 16:11.30 | Jaffa | Venemo: +1 |
| 16:11.41 | Venemo | Jaffa :) |
| 16:12.33 | SpeedEvil | realises he would get karma for starting a brainstorm to add 'dislike' buttons to TMO. |
| 16:13.26 | Venemo | SpeedEvil, there is already such a brainstorm |
| 16:13.31 | SpeedEvil | Ah. |
| 16:13.38 | SpeedEvil | Damn! Foiled again. |
| 16:13.51 | Venemo | SpeedEvil, I think I saw it ~1 year ago, but nothing has came out of it |
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| 16:16.35 | Venemo | Jaffa, btw I voted on "no" at that thread |
| 16:17.26 | ShadowJK | I want meta likes |
| 16:18.27 | ShadowJK | like, "I dislike the ramifications of the facts brought to light in this post"-dislike and a "This author made a good post about the dislikeful topic" |
| 16:19.00 | lcuk | ShadowJK, then it gets fun |
| 16:19.07 | lcuk | meta-meta-moods |
| 16:19.28 | lcuk | "I liked the fact this guy liked the topic but for the wrong reasons :P |
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| 16:20.57 | ShadowJK | lol |
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| 16:22.06 | DocScrutinizer | Venemo: you're no better than those that voted yes :-P |
| 16:23.26 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer, what do you mean? :P |
| 16:23.28 | DocScrutinizer | and btw at least stskeeps agreed on non-PR-bound binary updates, aiui |
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| 16:23.48 | DocScrutinizer | Venemo: voting on this poll is useless, no matter what you vote for |
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| 16:24.11 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer, indeed, but voting for "no" and seeing abill whining about it is more fun |
| 16:24.36 | DocScrutinizer | the thread itself however is kinda fun and actually brought some small bits to a wider audience |
| 16:24.47 | Venemo | small bits, for example? |
| 16:26.43 | DocScrutinizer | stskeeps' notions on some bits - the long lawyer queue at maemo and the fact it's overloaded atm - the still widely common misconception of hw drivers being our biggest problem at maemo... |
| 16:27.17 | Venemo | mhm |
| 16:27.19 | SpeedEvil | Open gfx would be nice. |
| 16:27.44 | DocScrutinizer | won't happen until hell freezing over |
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| 16:28.14 | DocScrutinizer | at least that's what I got from it |
| 16:28.19 | Venemo | open gfx hasn't even happened on the desktop yet |
| 16:28.28 | DocScrutinizer | exactly |
| 16:29.32 | Choom | I'd say it's less likely to happen on the desktop |
| 16:30.14 | DocScrutinizer | maybe, but eternity / 2 is still a long time ;-) |
| 16:30.33 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer :D |
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| 16:35.37 | lolcat | Hello, does symbian store texts in ram? |
| 16:35.41 | DocScrutinizer | from this PoV we didn't perform THAT bad at OM with glamo |
| 16:36.08 | Venemo | lolcat, how should we know |
| 16:36.09 | DocScrutinizer | it's just glamo performs terribly bad ;-P |
| 16:36.41 | lolcat | Venemo: Thihs is the channel with the highest density of Nokia Fanboys |
| 16:36.54 | Venemo | lolcat, I wouldn't say so |
| 16:36.57 | Venemo | lolcat, this channel is not about Symbian |
| 16:38.06 | lolcat | It is about the mythical N900 |
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| 16:43.19 | style | is there working voice navigation software for maemo (nokia n900) |
| 16:43.48 | lcuk | style, I sometimes phone mym mum to ask for directions (if that counts) |
| 16:44.22 | macmaN | style: i havent found anything wothewhile yet |
| 16:44.30 | style | :< |
| 16:44.31 | macmaN | how do i load maps on linux |
| 16:44.47 | merlin1991 | macmaN: you mean for the ovi maps? |
| 16:44.55 | macmaN | yep |
| 16:45.08 | merlin1991 | hm need to find the link |
| 16:45.14 | SpeedEvil | lcuk: Is your mom a service? |
| 16:45.21 | merlin1991 | but it's just a .zip that you extract into the places dir |
| 16:45.39 | merlin1991 | sry into the cities dir |
| 16:45.46 | SpeedEvil | ponders qtlcuksmumdialer. |
| 16:46.13 | style | ovi maps on n900 + driving is quite dangerous combination |
| 16:46.43 | merlin1991 | *hello, is there lcuks mum? i need some directions, can you help me?* :D |
| 16:46.44 | macmaN | merlin1991: "where do i get map zips" is probably a tmo search question |
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| 16:46.58 | macmaN | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=719193 |
| 16:47.34 | edheldil | does not nav app download them on the fly? |
| 16:47.41 | SpeedEvil | http://www.maemopeople.org/index.php/jaffa/2009/10/13/downloading_ovi_maps_without_a_network_c |
| 16:47.54 | SpeedEvil | edheldil: yes - but it doesn't works o well if you have no network |
| 16:48.03 | lcuk | edheldil, yes but when in new country, roaming costs prohibit many from wanting to do that |
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| 16:48.34 | merlin1991 | still wants a proper mappreload for mappero |
| 16:48.39 | SpeedEvil | I just downloaded UK and EU map packs from the above site, in case it goes down. |
| 16:48.54 | merlin1991 | I have the whole europe zip saved somewhere |
| 16:52.23 | edheldil | SpeedEvil: at least for me, it does not work too well anyway :) |
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| 16:53.47 | obcecado | thanks for that link SpeedEvil :-] |
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| 17:01.00 | macmaN | ok unzipped a bunch of N-Am maps |
| 17:01.09 | macmaN | looks like theres something else you need to do for offline search |
| 17:01.21 | merlin1991 | macmaN: search is online only |
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| 17:08.23 | Macer | LAME |
| 17:08.27 | Macer | :) |
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| 17:22.24 | macmaN | yep. im fricking jealous how my girl's old broken ass n79 is a kick ass gps navigator |
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| 17:35.00 | krayon | Evening. I upgraded CSSU just then and got dep errors relating to libqt4-webkit. when I try an apt-get -f install it reports that it can't due to libQtWebKit.so.4.7.0 also belonging to another pkg. removing that pkg doesn't work however. |
| 17:36.18 | krayon | Is there a way I can force it to install over the top, and/or force it to remove the other pkg? |
| 17:37.48 | MohammadAG | what's the other pkg? cause it looks crappy at best |
| 17:38.07 | krayon | I just realised, I think it's because it's from OVI Store IIRC |
| 17:38.32 | krayon | digiaaweb |
| 17:38.39 | krayon | I was installing many browsers to find a good one :/ |
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| 17:39.39 | MohammadAG | it shouldn't include libQtWebkit |
| 17:39.45 | MohammadAG | it should depend on it |
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| 17:39.54 | MohammadAG | if it includes it, it should have it in its own dir, not /usr/lib |
| 17:40.02 | krayon | Yeah, agreed. |
| 17:40.13 | krayon | Obviously :P But they are @#$% |
| 17:40.27 | MohammadAG | I'd just remove it really, the only two good browsers are microB (built in one) and Opera |
| 17:41.04 | krayon | I tried with apt-get and FAM and it wasn't working but yeah I just used App Manager and it did. |
| 17:41.14 | krayon | Now apt-get -f install is working as expected. |
| 17:41.29 | MohammadAG | the app manager ignores all errors :P |
| 17:41.51 | krayon | So you can't ap-get remove OVI applications? |
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| 17:42.43 | MohammadAG | you can |
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| 17:43.37 | krayon | It didn't work when I tried it :/ |
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| 17:44.56 | krayon | Just kept spitting out the "You might want to run 'apt-get -f install' to correct these:" stuff relating to libqt4-webkit. |
| 17:46.53 | krayon | MohammadAG: If you're interested: http://pastie.org/1994158 |
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| 17:52.29 | krayon | Thanks anyway MohammadAG, after removing all was good :) |
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| 17:54.34 | MohammadAG | hmm that was actually weird... |
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| 18:20.47 | GAN900 | New CSSU? |
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| 18:24.39 | GAN900 | Well, there's one of Arjan's device announcements. |
| 18:24.48 | GAN900 | http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/30/asus-brings-out-extra-skinny-eee-pc-x101-running-meego-hands-on/ |
| 18:25.16 | lcuk | GAN900, is it a touch device? |
| 18:25.20 | lcuk | (for the hands on part) |
| 18:25.39 | GAN900 | Nope, just more netbook bs. |
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| 18:27.56 | SpeedEvil | Oooh! A net.... |
| 18:28.05 | SpeedEvil | So awesome. |
| 18:28.09 | SpeedEvil | brb - have to yawn. |
| 18:28.45 | SpeedEvil | (though to be fair - I'm in favour of any non-MS OS on notebooks. |
| 18:29.00 | GAN900 | Me too |
| 18:29.15 | GAN900 | But I'm bored with TN-sporting devices |
| 18:29.15 | SpeedEvil | I had a lenovo s10e with s.... the linux dist beginning with s that is not slackware. |
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| 18:29.45 | SpeedEvil | I'm also deeply depressed as to that announcement in other ways. |
| 18:29.58 | SpeedEvil | I have a nice ... 10yo? PII/300 netbook. |
| 18:30.02 | SpeedEvil | (though it has no wifi) |
| 18:30.39 | SpeedEvil | It's 1.05Kg. Has 8 hour battery life (after I recelled it(would be 11 now with the best cells) a nice 10.1" 4:3 display. |
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| 18:31.31 | SpeedEvil | And also has a nice keyboard with a trackpoint. |
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| 18:38.10 | NIN101 | the funny application manager is telling me that I should use the pcsuite to update to the newest cssu. m( |
| 18:39.34 | kerio | MohammadAG: were you saying something about mouse+keyboard vs controller in FPSes some time ago? |
| 18:43.54 | _trine | does anyone know how to correct this error .. unable to update 'linux kernel for power user (boot image) |
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| 18:47.44 | Jaffa | MohammadAG: BTW, since you complained about Catorise slowing down apt/HAM - it now tracks invocations and changes to prevent unnecessary work |
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| 19:55.21 | _trine | when I try to installer the flasher on mu computer it seems to stop on a page which just has instructions you can scroll up and down |
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| 19:55.31 | _trine | what am I doing wrong |
| 19:55.43 | _trine | on my Ubuntu |
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| 19:56.33 | _trine | it says ok on the page but there is nothing to click on and it does not look like it installed the flasher |
| 19:56.34 | MohammadAG | kerio, gimme a controller and I can beat anyone using a mouse |
| 19:56.45 | kerio | at what game? |
| 19:56.46 | MohammadAG | Jaffa, hmm, i forgot about that |
| 19:57.01 | MohammadAG | kerio, any |
| 19:58.09 | _trine | are you all too busy to help? |
| 19:59.06 | kerio | MohammadAG: http://www.redeclipse.net/ |
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| 20:02.33 | MohammadAG | kerio, something cross platform, I like my PS3 |
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| 20:03.20 | kerio | MohammadAG: i thought the only game that supported cross-platform gaming was UT3 |
| 20:03.22 | kerio | and it kinda sucked |
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| 20:05.28 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, wait for it, waaaait for it, bam http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=73599 |
| 20:05.32 | MohammadAG | I have to say, I lol'd |
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| 20:09.34 | DocScrutinizer | well, I was going WTF?! But actually, this thread has a bit of everything |
| 20:10.04 | Sc0rpius | at least the tags are funny |
| 20:10.49 | DocScrutinizer | I's kinda like Monty Python's meaning of life |
| 20:11.19 | MohammadAG | this won't end well |
| 20:11.31 | DocScrutinizer | this HAS ended |
| 20:12.06 | DocScrutinizer | I actually think this thread will eventually die from sudden starvation |
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| 20:12.27 | DocScrutinizer | or texrat killing it off |
| 20:13.17 | DocScrutinizer | "the source is *too* ugly, to disclose it" HELLLOOOOOO anybody AT HOME? |
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| 20:16.06 | DocScrutinizer | if anybody at Nokia is too embarrassed by his own code getting disclosed, I'm willing to offer a red papernose for free |
| 20:17.33 | DocScrutinizer | either way, they always could claim it's not their code but some subcontractor's, and they're just not willing to look at it ;-D |
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| 20:17.55 | DocScrutinizer | no reason to keep it closed |
| 20:18.20 | Choom | I worked on the yopy's kernel once (a korean PDA from 2003) |
| 20:18.30 | Choom | I doubt the code could look any worse than what I found there |
| 20:18.33 | DocScrutinizer | I'm well aware of the nasty dark powers of lawyers |
| 20:18.51 | DocScrutinizer | yopy \o/ |
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| 20:21.00 | Choom | from video drivers that had its registers' input hardcoded without even macros for human readability's sake to huge chunks of proprocessor-commented code becausee apparently the previous maintainers were not aware of version control systems, I believe I found a little of everything there |
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| 20:23.23 | DocScrutinizer | another scenario: "Hi, I'm Nuerte Nooonononm of Nokia, I am the developer of maemo's foobar subsystem. I'd love to see it going FOSS, but you know folks, the powers that be :-S Bear with me, I can't talk about a lot of that stuff, but I'm more than happy to answer your questions as precisely as I can, as long as they are related to my stuff. You'll find me here once a months, at 13th, between 22:00 and 22:45 UTC" |
| 20:23.41 | Choom | fortunately, in the case of the video driver, I actually managed to find documentation and reimplement the driver, and the rest was rebuilt from scratch out of a vanilla 2.4.28 kernel with some patches from the arm project (as the arm tree was completely broken in the vanilla kernel back then) and lots of driver implementation and fixes |
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| 20:27.08 | DocScrutinizer | OM knew when they hired me they're not only getting a grumpy damn sharp-eye EE who did every shit you could think of, they also knew and accepted, actually appreciated that they're hiring a loyal (to them, but anyway) community community community guy |
| 20:28.09 | DocScrutinizer | Nokia never got that catch on this way of thinking |
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| 20:29.35 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: it's clear now that nokia sucks bawls |
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| 20:29.58 | DocScrutinizer | so what the hell made them believe messing with linux would be a god thing to do fo them? |
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| 20:31.54 | DocScrutinizer | didn't they anticipate a system that's like 40% closed, but marketed as being FOSS, would inevitably lead to community going to backfire? |
| 20:32.32 | DocScrutinizer | I'd call that hijacking |
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| 20:34.08 | DocScrutinizer | but I should pass the mic to SpeedEvil who's way more eloquent on maemo's dark eerie secrets |
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| 20:38.49 | DocScrutinizer | (community guy) finally there's been this: http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/schematics/ |
| 20:38.58 | Choom | to be honest I wouldn't mind maemo the way it is so long as they kept developing it |
| 20:39.14 | DocScrutinizer | and it's not been easy to push OM there |
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| 20:40.03 | DocScrutinizer | I wouldn't even mind they dropping it as long as there's proper COMPLETE documantation, down to the .h |
| 20:40.48 | Choom | I don't really care about the sources, hardware documentation would do |
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| 20:44.37 | DocScrutinizer | well, even that, yes. But sometimes hw ds are just... limited purpose. As a lot is in the knowhow to deal with the hw in a decent way, and that might be really really tricky sometimes (you don't want to reinvent how to implement openGL based on the hw specs of gfx card registers) |
| 20:45.09 | DocScrutinizer | google for "linux bsp" |
| 20:45.35 | DocScrutinizer | it's not like Nokia had invented embedded |
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| 20:47.52 | DocScrutinizer | it's more like they were furiously commited to reinventing the wheel for some stuff and some procedures - well known established procedures |
| 20:49.19 | alterego | Well, they have done a bit of good reinventing. |
| 20:49.29 | alterego | But also some awful reinventing |
| 20:50.02 | alterego | What I find hilarious, is now Nokia have walked out of MeeGo, intel are dropping a load of things I kinda liked from Nokia, |
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| 20:50.12 | alterego | Like tracker for instance. |
| 20:50.33 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, ~nuke tracker |
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| 20:51.11 | alterego | I was just thinking about what has happened after febuary 11th |
| 20:51.26 | alterego | Obviously Intel have taken over, they're now getting very heavy into tablets. |
| 20:51.28 | alterego | Do you know why? |
| 20:51.55 | DocScrutinizer | IF my N900 experience is 19months 3 weeks now, then my bitching against tracker is since 19months 2 weeks 4 days |
| 20:51.57 | SpeedEvil | They want to sell intel chips of course. |
| 20:52.00 | alterego | Because the tablet form factor (though pretty much doomed) is the smallest they can go with the battery capacity they require, |
| 20:52.28 | alterego | But tablets are also a good stepping stone down to handsets. |
| 20:52.34 | alterego | It's just a really stupid fad of a device. |
| 20:53.03 | DocScrutinizer | alterego: (stepping stone) thats debatable |
| 20:53.17 | alterego | DocScrutinizer: okay, I'm trying to think of a better metaphor .. |
| 20:53.30 | alterego | Safety net? Whilst waiting for an airlift? :) |
| 20:53.32 | DocScrutinizer | everybody telling me similar things, I'm not sold to it |
| 20:53.47 | alterego | In what respect? |
| 20:53.55 | alterego | You think 10" tablets are here to stay? |
| 20:54.05 | alterego | I think they'll get smaller and smaller and then turn in to handsets. |
| 20:54.18 | SpeedEvil | For some things, yes. |
| 20:54.20 | DocScrutinizer | e.g. meego "we deal with powersaving later - now lets create a working system" |
| 20:54.26 | DocScrutinizer | prone to fail |
| 20:54.37 | SpeedEvil | Under a 10" display is not comfortable to read large amounts of text on at arms length |
| 20:55.04 | DocScrutinizer | first build tablet UX, then clone handset UX from that - incl kernel and middleware: PRONE TO FAIL |
| 20:55.11 | alterego | SpeedEvil: tell that to kindle owners. |
| 20:55.15 | Choom | I think they have different uses |
| 20:55.26 | Choom | people are using ipads as electronic notepads |
| 20:55.39 | SpeedEvil | alterego: By 'under' I mean 'lots under' |
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| 20:55.51 | SpeedEvil | A 4" screen forex |
| 20:56.14 | alterego | Yes, you're probably right there, which is why I quite like the idea of the kindle |
| 20:56.21 | alterego | But actual tablet computers ... |
| 20:56.53 | alterego | Maybe when devices are just screens with an RF tranceiver and are basically thin clients. |
| 20:56.58 | DocScrutinizer | an embeeded system definitely is no lil lil itsybitsy teenyweeny PC, and no shrinked tablet |
| 20:57.11 | alterego | We all just buy new "screens" and all the power is in our portable handsets, or on the internet. |
| 20:58.09 | SpeedEvil | The major problem with th at is that the screen needs the largest slice of the powr. |
| 20:58.17 | SpeedEvil | Which makes it the sane place to pu tthe battery. |
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| 20:58.46 | alterego | There's a lot of Steven Elop accounts on twitter ... |
| 20:58.49 | SpeedEvil | I was idly wondering about a 'n900' - but where you could pull the screen off, and stick the base onto a larger screen. |
| 20:59.04 | DocScrutinizer | a tablet is a shrinked PC, or a PC can run like a bloated tablet - a phone though is an entirely differnet thing |
| 20:59.08 | alterego | SpeedEvil: to me that's HDMI :P |
| 20:59.18 | alterego | DocScrutinizer: I'm not convinced |
| 20:59.18 | DocScrutinizer | and hardly anybody is geting that difference |
| 20:59.28 | alterego | The N900 is a shrunk tablet/PC |
| 20:59.30 | alterego | IMO |
| 20:59.44 | alterego | It's not a feature phone, and it's better than a "smart phone" .. |
| 20:59.45 | DocScrutinizer | no, it's not |
| 20:59.59 | DocScrutinizer | show me your PCs that can do zeroclock |
| 21:00.10 | alterego | DocScruHeh |
| 21:00.14 | alterego | Heh .. |
| 21:00.20 | alterego | My N900? |
| 21:00.26 | alterego | I use it more than my "PC" ;) |
| 21:00.33 | DocScrutinizer | show me your PC that has standby of weeks, with resume time <50ms |
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| 21:00.59 | alterego | Optimized power saving does not mean it's not a proper computer. |
| 21:01.08 | DocScrutinizer | you know why meego epically fails on standby time? they think PC, not embedded |
| 21:01.10 | alterego | It just means it's very good when not being "in use" .. |
| 21:01.32 | alterego | It's true, we have about 15mA usage on stand by at the moment. |
| 21:01.43 | DocScrutinizer | even my wrist watch has a 'proper computer' inside |
| 21:01.45 | alterego | Which is I think 3x maemo |
| 21:02.38 | DocScrutinizer | you NEVER do suspend-to-foobar on a system that has zeroclock |
| 21:02.44 | SpeedEvil | alterego: Of that order. Depending on what you're calling standby |
| 21:03.04 | DocScrutinizer | you have entirely different power management paradigms on a system with e.g. SmartReflex |
| 21:03.09 | SpeedEvil | Suspend to RAM saves about half of the minimal 'zero clock' power. (to annoy Doc) |
| 21:03.19 | alterego | SpeedEvil: stand by in maemo's terms, touch screen off, system idle. |
| 21:03.27 | DocScrutinizer | compare that to your "PC" |
| 21:03.38 | DocScrutinizer | the paradigm is incompatible |
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| 21:03.48 | alterego | DocScrutinizer: indeed, but then my first PC was an SA1100 based system :P |
| 21:03.51 | DocScrutinizer | the sw devels fail at switching paradigm |
| 21:03.51 | SpeedEvil | ~7.5W I think is the lowest I've gotten my PC. |
| 21:03.52 | infobot | okay, SpeedEvil |
| 21:03.57 | SpeedEvil | huh? |
| 21:04.01 | SpeedEvil | sighs. |
| 21:04.32 | green-- | hi, anybody happens to know where n900 usb host mode devs sit? |
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| 21:04.57 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: I know you know I know you want to annoy me |
| 21:05.19 | alterego | Hahahah |
| 21:05.20 | DocScrutinizer | we bth know about power in embedded |
| 21:05.36 | SpeedEvil | green--: What? |
| 21:06.15 | DocScrutinizer | ~forget 7.5W I think |
| 21:06.15 | infobot | i forgot 7.5w i think, DocScrutinizer |
| 21:06.39 | green-- | SpeedEvil: I just need somebody who has spruf98d.pdf and can share it with me ;) |
| 21:06.40 | alterego | So, who thinks Nokia will announce the N9(50) on Wednesday? |
| 21:06.52 | SpeedEvil | It's not on the TI site still? |
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| 21:07.10 | green-- | seems not, they purged it long ago and replaced with the newer revisions apparently |
| 21:07.13 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 21:07.21 | JZA | hi anyone know if there is subversion for fremantelle |
| 21:07.22 | SpeedEvil | checks disk. |
| 21:07.22 | DocScrutinizer | green--: I sit on my arse ;-P |
| 21:07.34 | JZA | i want to do some commits |
| 21:07.35 | SpeedEvil | What are you looking for in it? |
| 21:07.57 | JZA | speedevil need to commit some code |
| 21:08.02 | green-- | SpeedEvil: mode musb register details, as I am trying to force the hostmode (obviously) on another device |
| 21:08.09 | green-- | s/mode/more/ |
| 21:08.19 | DocScrutinizer | coughs |
| 21:08.34 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 21:09.00 | SpeedEvil | wonders if his DCC works. |
| 21:09.09 | green-- | we can try ;) |
| 21:10.27 | SpeedEvil | Guess not. |
| 21:10.29 | green-- | SpeedEvil: apparently you come from 10/8 network and your NAT does not rewrite it |
| 21:10.34 | SpeedEvil | yeah |
| 21:13.18 | SpeedEvil | Do you have/want spru98f/spru98nosuffix |
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| 21:14.29 | javispedro | evening gentlemen. |
| 21:14.37 | green-- | I am just getting the document from somebody else's link which I assume is spru98f, no idea what the nosuffix is |
| 21:15.11 | javispedro | "spruf98" |
| 21:15.22 | SpeedEvil | Uploading now - few mins |
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| 21:17.06 | javispedro | did TI remove it? |
| 21:17.35 | SpeedEvil | Also - I should have remembered to do it with something that will throttle upload. |
| 21:17.55 | SpeedEvil | http://www.mauve.plus.com/t/ |
| 21:17.55 | SpeedEvil | when it stops increasing in sie |
| 21:17.55 | SpeedEvil | size |
| 21:17.55 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 21:18.08 | SpeedEvil | They regularly update it - adding/removing bits. |
| 21:18.39 | javispedro | latest is from apr 27 |
| 21:18.43 | javispedro | revision r |
| 21:18.49 | javispedro | and is still available at ti.com |
| 21:19.19 | SpeedEvil | yes - but not the earlier ones. |
| 21:19.35 | SpeedEvil | Some newer docs do not have all of the info of the later ones. |
| 21:21.04 | SpeedEvil | green--: K - there |
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| 21:21.39 | green-- | SpeedEvil: thanks! |
| 21:21.44 | SpeedEvil | np |
| 21:21.48 | SpeedEvil | What platform? |
| 21:23.06 | SpeedEvil | green--: Also - #maemo-hostmode-discussion |
| 21:23.23 | green-- | SpeedEvil: the platform is nook color |
| 21:24.16 | SpeedEvil | Oooh - fun. |
| 21:24.28 | javispedro | heh |
| 21:24.36 | SpeedEvil | That's got 256M RAM too? |
| 21:25.28 | green-- | 512 in mine |
| 21:25.33 | SpeedEvil | hmm |
| 21:25.40 | SpeedEvil | thinks evil thoughts. |
| 21:26.23 | javispedro | SpeedEvil: don't be ashamed, everyone seems to want it... |
| 21:26.25 | green-- | it's a cool little device, and it's cheap |
| 21:27.15 | green-- | and given that people were able to unlock bt not so long ago (terrible range, though) and now the usbhost, all what is left is for somebody to solder in some 3g chip and have a supercool device ;) |
| 21:27.23 | green-- | (and there are 3g chip pads in place, just no chip) |
| 21:28.32 | SpeedEvil | 3g 'chip' ? |
| 21:28.38 | SpeedEvil | You mean 3g module? |
| 21:29.07 | SpeedEvil | javispedro: I was actually pondering that broken nook colours might be a handy source for 512M CPU+POP memory. |
| 21:29.20 | green-- | SpeedEvil: well, I guess it's a combination ;) |
| 21:29.26 | javispedro | SpeedEvil: it is 36xx series iirc |
| 21:29.34 | green-- | 3621 |
| 21:29.54 | javispedro | SpeedEvil: not necessarily pin compatible with 34xx aiaui (if the n900 is the target of your evil joke) |
| 21:30.03 | SpeedEvil | Ah. |
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| 21:30.17 | SpeedEvil | AIUI the POP probably would be. |
| 21:30.47 | javispedro | there was a discussion about this nearly half a year ago (started by our master in solder abilities and general hackery abill_uk) |
| 21:31.22 | javispedro | iirc I eventually found up a guide in TI docs that talks about the necessary hw changes to migrate from 34xx/35xx to 36xx/37xx |
| 21:31.23 | SpeedEvil | I diddn't know. It's one of those things that is fundamentally possible, but unlikely to actually work. |
| 21:31.36 | SpeedEvil | (RAM upgrade) |
| 21:32.44 | javispedro | heh |
| 21:32.45 | javispedro | "In general, AM37x is a drop in replacement for OMAP35x on same PCB if " |
| 21:33.44 | javispedro | you need to change stuff though. |
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| 21:34.37 | SpeedEvil | wishes again that the ipad was open, and cheaper. |
| 21:35.06 | GAN900 | Nook Color isn't a bad compromise. |
| 21:35.11 | SpeedEvil | Indeed. |
| 21:35.42 | javispedro | am I the only that does not feel attracted to it? :D |
| 21:36.04 | SpeedEvil | I can see it would make a handy companion to the n900 |
| 21:36.22 | javispedro | I think it's way too small for a tablet and not useful as an ereader due to non eink. also, non resistive. |
| 21:36.47 | SpeedEvil | Don't you have a wepad? |
| 21:36.49 | SpeedEvil | I forget |
| 21:37.04 | javispedro | nope |
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| 21:37.44 | javispedro | I have a s10-3t (aka the lenovo ideapad) whose size is ok but weighs way too much and screen angle is abysmal. |
| 21:37.45 | Choom | what's the problem with NOT being resistive? |
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| 21:38.35 | Choom | if there's one thing I actually dislike in the N900 it'is the resistive touchscreen |
| 21:38.35 | SpeedEvil | javispedro: Ah. I sent my s10-e back due to the screen angle. |
| 21:38.55 | javispedro | Choom: don't get me started. |
| 21:39.13 | Choom | please do |
| 21:39.20 | Choom | I'd really like to read it |
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| 21:39.27 | Choom | never found anyone with a different opinion |
| 21:39.37 | javispedro | Choom: excuse me, are you from the future? |
| 21:39.55 | SpeedEvil | I find that being able to not touch the screen is positive. Also - being able to use with gloves. |
| 21:39.56 | Choom | uh? |
| 21:40.19 | Choom | well there are capacitive styluses |
| 21:40.55 | javispedro | Choom: you did not found anyone wanting resistive in #maemo, virtually the last bastion of resistive fanatics in the entire world? |
| 21:41.12 | javispedro | *find |
| 21:41.13 | DocScrutinizer | lo javispedro |
| 21:41.20 | javispedro | evening DocScrutinizer |
| 21:41.28 | DocScrutinizer | ~xyawn |
| 21:41.29 | infobot | hmm... xyawn is sleep |
| 21:41.29 | Choom | I've never debated the subject with anyone else here |
| 21:41.40 | DocScrutinizer | see? SEE?!?! |
| 21:41.55 | DocScrutinizer | ~xyawn |
| 21:41.56 | infobot | well, xyawn is nap |
| 21:42.10 | DocScrutinizer | tzzzz |
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| 21:42.28 | DocScrutinizer | infobot: you're a smartass |
| 21:42.28 | infobot | I know you are but what am I? |
| 21:42.59 | DocScrutinizer | ~xyawn |
| 21:42.59 | infobot | hmm... xyawn is big coffee |
| 21:43.06 | DocScrutinizer | hmmmmmmm |
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| 21:43.16 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: don't enter pupnik mode =) |
| 21:43.37 | DocScrutinizer | I already left it behind ;-P |
| 21:44.27 | DocScrutinizer | been a 13 minutes period during uotime=43 |
| 21:45.43 | javispedro | uh. people area ctually using my sdl gles tutorial... |
| 21:45.48 | javispedro | should update it |
| 21:45.50 | DocScrutinizer | probably infobot knows she has to answer sleep or nap on uptime>40h |
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| 21:53.30 | javispedro | the latest rumor about the n9 is one of the sanest so far imo |
| 21:53.44 | javispedro | it is about that nokia will "surprise" with some new haptic feedback technology |
| 21:53.59 | javispedro | I still wouldn't bet anything on it, |
| 21:54.20 | javispedro | but it might explain why dui/meegotouch had all those feedback stuff |
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| 22:03.00 | achipa | btw the wiki page is ambiguous about the nook color's BT but it's fully operational (hooks up to my BT headset just fine) |
| 22:04.11 | MohammadAG | javispedro, it also explains the prototype N900 that had that |
| 22:05.15 | SpeedEvil | haptic = bigger vibrator? |
| 22:06.06 | javispedro | actually the current implementation is fully software (that is, some gfx/sfx effects) |
| 22:06.18 | javispedro | that's why I'm saying I wouldn't bet anything... so far. |
| 22:06.21 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: OM*F*G |
| 22:06.35 | MohammadAG | was referring to http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn19510-nokia-touchscreen-creates-texture-illusion.html |
| 22:06.44 | kerio | SpeedEvil: mmmmm |
| 22:06.57 | MohammadAG | I'm guessing that word is it doesn't have a keyboard, it creates an on screen keyboard "feel" |
| 22:07.09 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: the *what*? |
| 22:08.02 | SpeedEvil | I think it incidentally means that the display has to be resistive |
| 22:08.02 | DocScrutinizer | fsckng electrofriction |
| 22:08.17 | DocScrutinizer | yeah \o/ |
| 22:08.19 | DocScrutinizer | indeed |
| 22:08.34 | javispedro | I bet that means that it is surely not that. |
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| 22:08.42 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 22:08.44 | javispedro | because capacitive is already pretty much guaranteed. |
| 22:09.13 | DocScrutinizer | well, hw kbd been guaranteed |
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| 22:09.26 | kerio | why do people like capacitive screens so much? |
| 22:09.30 | kerio | :| |
| 22:09.30 | DocScrutinizer | **YAWN** |
| 22:09.35 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, apparently, not on the consumer device |
| 22:09.45 | MohammadAG | at least that's what most rumors are pointing at |
| 22:09.54 | DocScrutinizer | fsck NKIA |
| 22:09.58 | kerio | no keyboard = no sales |
| 22:10.02 | kerio | what the hell |
| 22:10.07 | kerio | how can they fuck it up so badly |
| 22:10.13 | MohammadAG | the N800 worked I guess |
| 22:10.15 | DocScrutinizer | N9 is a delusion |
| 22:10.26 | javispedro | ++ |
| 22:10.40 | javispedro | it's just hardvaporware. |
| 22:10.47 | MohammadAG | N9 doesn't exist, or if it does, it's probably a windows phone 7 device |
| 22:11.01 | DocScrutinizer | anyway there's been this idiotic enigma on twitter |
| 22:11.07 | kerio | i really just want a n900 with more ram and a faster CPU |
| 22:11.15 | DocScrutinizer | saying "wait tik 6.1" |
| 22:11.20 | nox- | i hear duke nukem forever is coming too... |
| 22:11.25 | nox- | :) |
| 22:11.31 | MohammadAG | nox-, the N950 has to replace something |
| 22:11.36 | javispedro | kerio: <glados>you want that? well I AIN'T LET YOU!! how does that feel?</glados voice> |
| 22:12.07 | nox- | MohammadAG, replace what, the n900? |
| 22:12.15 | Choom | I'd be happy with a capacitive touchscreen |
| 22:12.21 | MohammadAG | looks at 720p playback thread <wheatly>Tiny little wheatly did this</wheatly> |
| 22:12.36 | DocScrutinizer | "torture me, please torure me!!!" "Noooohohohooooooo, hrhrrrhrrrrhrrr" |
| 22:14.08 | MohammadAG | nox-, no, DNF |
| 22:14.16 | nox- | haha ok |
| 22:14.20 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, wrong game |
| 22:14.22 | MohammadAG | :p |
| 22:14.46 | kerio | some people already have DNF |
| 22:15.20 | nox- | heh |
| 22:15.39 | nox- | it was mentioned on tv here too |
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| 22:16.16 | javispedro | the worst part is that it will just be a mediocre game ;) |
| 22:16.33 | MohammadAG | won't buy it |
| 22:16.59 | javispedro | doesn't buy shooters at all |
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| 22:17.13 | merlin1991 | but it's the DUKE |
| 22:17.30 | merlin1991 | javispedro: didn't you play portal2? |
| 22:17.43 | kerio | javispedro: i heard there's naked women in it |
| 22:17.52 | MohammadAG | lmao |
| 22:17.52 | javispedro | merlin1991: my entire steam collection is portal1&2. |
| 22:17.59 | kerio | merlin1991: portal 2 is not an fps |
| 22:18.03 | merlin1991 | puzzle shooters ;) |
| 22:18.11 | kerio | no |
| 22:18.16 | javispedro | I like to call it a "3d plataformer" =) |
| 22:18.18 | kerio | that would be something like hl2 |
| 22:18.19 | MohammadAG | technically it is, you just fire portals |
| 22:18.27 | kerio | it's a first person puzzle platformer |
| 22:18.36 | MohammadAG | javispedro, yay, so there's someone like me! |
| 22:18.36 | merlin1991 | yea, it's first person and you do carry a gun :D |
| 22:18.37 | kerio | javispedro: no, that would be super mario 64 |
| 22:18.42 | MohammadAG | I also have alien swarm but that was free :p |
| 22:18.53 | merlin1991 | MohammadAG: try insurgency |
| 22:18.59 | merlin1991 | (free too) |
| 22:19.04 | javispedro | sm64 is also "puzzle" platformer, and portal has some bits requiring timed presses and action |
| 22:19.07 | javispedro | so they're just the same. |
| 22:19.09 | MohammadAG | Linux mohammad-i5laptop 2.6.38-8-generic #42-Ubuntu SMP Mon Apr 11 03:31:24 UTC 2011 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 22:19.10 | javispedro | IMHO ;) |
| 22:19.14 | MohammadAG | that means I cba with windows ^ :P |
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| 22:19.25 | kerio | javispedro: nah, the first person is the distinguishing tract for p2 |
| 22:19.45 | javispedro | might be, but "first person platformer" looks ridiculous and probably can be omitted |
| 22:19.54 | javispedro | so you end up with "platformer". |
| 22:20.04 | kerio | it's definetely a platform game |
| 22:20.14 | kerio | it's also a puzzle platformer |
| 22:20.19 | kerio | and also a first person platformer |
| 22:20.28 | kerio | and hey, what do you know, it's also a first person puzzle platformer |
| 22:20.36 | javispedro | and first person portal puzzle platform shooter |
| 22:20.42 | SpeedEvil | javispedro: lemmings |
| 22:20.50 | SpeedEvil | third person platformer |
| 22:20.51 | kerio | no, you don't have a gun |
| 22:21.03 | kerio | you have an handheld portal device |
| 22:21.05 | javispedro | it just fires portals, and requires some precision |
| 22:21.15 | javispedro | and you can even kill evil turrets with it! |
| 22:21.26 | javispedro | plays devil advocate |
| 22:21.34 | kerio | it doesn't fire portals, it fires physics thingies that create portals when they hit a wall |
| 22:21.58 | kerio | and it's not even projectile-based |
| 22:22.01 | kerio | it's hitscan |
| 22:22.42 | DocScrutinizer | my phone is (like) 01795088513. Got a missed call from 01785088512 - is this a known fraud? |
| 22:23.47 | Choom | probably someone poking the neighborhood |
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| 22:23.52 | kerio | really though, metroid prime fits the "shooter" definition better, and it's definetely *not* an FPS |
| 22:24.24 | javispedro | tries to remember if there was any kind of gun in sm64.. |
| 22:24.24 | DocScrutinizer | Choom: yeah, or trying in vain to call himself |
| 22:24.34 | kerio | javispedro: you can throw some blocks |
| 22:24.36 | javispedro | hm... cannon! |
| 22:24.46 | kerio | oh right you fire yourself |
| 22:24.49 | kerio | and it's from a first person prospective! |
| 22:25.00 | kerio | definetely an fps then, right |
| 22:26.12 | javispedro | and this is why when the Smithsonian said they would create a videogame archive with limited places for each game _category_ everyone laughed. |
| 22:26.43 | SpeedEvil | Is nethack a FPS? |
| 22:26.45 | kerio | category? what category? |
| 22:26.57 | kerio | SpeedEvil: not first person, sadly |
| 22:27.07 | kerio | and no guns unless you're playing the unholy abomination that is slashem |
| 22:28.11 | DocScrutinizer | shoots his first person |
| 22:28.22 | kerio | D: |
| 22:28.26 | kerio | stop shooting! |
| 22:28.27 | javispedro | shoots a portal on infobot for no reason |
| 22:28.57 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: you just had to add something to this conversation, didn't you |
| 22:29.00 | kerio | and now NIN101 is dead |
| 22:29.54 | DocScrutinizer | i'm suffering from IRC tourette |
| 22:30.49 | DocScrutinizer | ~shoot javispedro |
| 22:30.49 | infobot | ACTION shoots javispedro in the foot with a cork gun! |
| 22:31.14 | Choom | kerio: LOL |
| 22:31.22 | merlin1991 | fps wise is tc:e still my fav |
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| 22:32.27 | DocScrutinizer | thinks NIN101 had some meaning he completely missed or forgot about |
| 22:33.01 | Choom | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:33.02 | Choom | -!- NIN101 [~NIN101@p5DD28A3A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: NIN101] |
| 22:33.35 | Choom | nothing deep |
| 22:34.03 | DocScrutinizer | I don't get those - "hide "join/quit/nick" |
| 22:35.32 | DocScrutinizer | I'm the happier about noticing I've seen NIN101 before |
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| 23:28.47 | dRbiG | hmm, i'm trying to connect to gprs net via dbus-send but the iap name contains @ and it doesn't work - connecting to wifi for ex. works as the name is the standard x-y-z-foo style |
| 23:28.51 | dRbiG | any ideas? |
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| 23:29.41 | bindi | anyone used aircrack-ng with n900? |
| 23:29.55 | bindi | airdump-ng wants iw, installing iw removes aircrack-ng |
| 23:29.55 | bindi | lol |
| 23:30.59 | bindi | airodump-ng even |
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