| 00:00.04 | DocScrutinizer | hehe |
| 00:00.29 | MohammadAG | I just boot up some custom image, copy importrant stuff, then flash when something bad happens |
| 00:00.44 | MohammadAG | of course, that's after trying to fix that thing... |
| 00:02.15 | pauly | thanks! |
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| 00:03.09 | MohammadAG | woah, using - as GND is... |
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| 00:12.02 | DocScrutinizer | bat minus as GND? is a really goofy idea |
| 00:14.06 | cehteh | it works on cars :P |
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| 00:14.46 | DocScrutinizer | pauly: you can use those testpads for an occasional flashing, if you make sure you got no statical charge etc, and keep device under close supervision (no more protective fuse etc) |
| 00:15.04 | DocScrutinizer | cehteh: not on all though ;-P |
| 00:15.36 | cehteh | with some wires you could put the battery externally and access the pads |
| 00:15.45 | DocScrutinizer | I think especially some UK cars second half of last century had chassis=+ |
| 00:15.49 | pauly | yeah |
| 00:16.03 | pauly | i can do that! |
| 00:16.16 | cehteh | ah because they drive on the left side i guess :) |
| 00:17.09 | DocScrutinizer | on N900 neither + nor - is GND |
| 00:17.12 | cehteh | so if a uk car has an accident with a continental car, does that give a short-circuit? :) |
| 00:17.27 | cehteh | runs |
| 00:18.01 | cehteh | DocScrutinizer: is usb gnd == device gnd? |
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| 00:18.31 | cehteh | (can we even speak about a common ground potential anymore on such a device?) |
| 00:18.32 | DocScrutinizer | cehteh: better run when you just kickstart the - car from a + car with wires, and some fool opens the door and slams it ito the other car |
| 00:19.20 | DocScrutinizer | cehteh: common GND is -, but that's not battery's - |
| 00:19.21 | cehteh | haha the biggier car batteries suffice for welding :) |
| 00:19.57 | DocScrutinizer | the battery charge gauge shunts are in bat-minus to GND |
| 00:20.27 | DocScrutinizer | USB GND is plain GND |
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| 00:21.42 | DocScrutinizer | AV GND is NOT plain GND, it's an antenna |
| 00:23.13 | DocScrutinizer | well, part of an antenna |
| 00:24.21 | DocScrutinizer | connecting N900 to PC with USB and a AV cable can result in "funny" effects |
| 00:25.28 | DocScrutinizer | like magic blue smoke escaping from L4086/7 and your AV out dead after that |
| 00:27.02 | cehteh | outch |
| 00:27.22 | cehteh | isnt that halfway common that somone would try that? |
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| 00:28.04 | DocScrutinizer | halfway common and haldway unlikely to cause drastic effects |
| 00:29.21 | DocScrutinizer | but those 2 chokes are between USB GND and AV GND, and if the PC decides to have a strong potential (i.e. some volt) between his USB and mic/lin-in connectors then those will heat up and blow |
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| 00:30.04 | DocScrutinizer | uckily most PC don't do such nasty things. Car however, and their car stereo... |
| 00:30.31 | DocScrutinizer | l*uckily |
| 00:30.56 | DocScrutinizer | plus the notorious crappy carcharger |
| 00:31.08 | cehteh | .. charging n900 over 48V phantom power line :P |
| 00:31.16 | DocScrutinizer | hehe, yeah |
| 00:33.39 | DocScrutinizer | anyway you shouldn't touch the battery + with your AV cable when pugged in to N900 ;-) |
| 00:34.32 | DocScrutinizer | you probably also should stay away from any device powered from mains as long as N900 is connected to a random charger or PC via USB |
| 00:39.13 | DocScrutinizer | or you get one of these: http://www.henri.de/audiotechnik/verstaerker/audiokonverter/4097/trenntrafo-audiotrafo-nf-trafo-cinchstecker/cinchbuchse.html?c=610 and are on the safe side of fence, also with hum that frequently is caused by multiple earth like what I've described above. If you get hum or even next shortwave-broadcast station on your home stereo when using N900 as a mp3player and hooked it up to charger, then get one of those |
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| 00:39.49 | DocScrutinizer | it's called a GND-loop |
| 00:40.32 | DocScrutinizer | (not the device, the problem) and it causes current to flow from one GND thru N900 to the other GND |
| 00:40.55 | SpeedEvil | Or the other way: |
| 00:41.28 | DocScrutinizer | hehe, yeah |
| 00:41.37 | SpeedEvil | USB isolator |
| 00:42.01 | DocScrutinizer | aaah, thought you meant from GND to GND, instead of from GND to GND |
| 00:42.14 | SpeedEvil | http://www.analog.com/en/interface/digital-isolators/adum3160/products/product.html |
| 00:42.22 | DocScrutinizer | USB isolator - how does it work for charging? |
| 00:42.26 | SpeedEvil | It'd be really, really cool, as opposed to just cool. |
| 00:42.30 | SpeedEvil | If it did USB2 |
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| 00:43.35 | DocScrutinizer | YAY, that's a monster |
| 00:46.16 | SpeedEvil | They also have som other really cool parts - like isolated gate drivers with power for the gate driver. |
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| 00:50.32 | DocScrutinizer | well this one at least doesn't even mention power transfer from VBUS1 to VBUS2 |
| 00:50.40 | SpeedEvil | yeah - it doesn't. |
| 00:50.46 | DocScrutinizer | no charging while using this part ;-) |
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| 00:53.35 | DocScrutinizer | btw Nokia wallwart charger is semi-safe as it has no "GND" |
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| 00:55.08 | DocScrutinizer | with PC as power supply for N900 that's an entirely different story |
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| 00:58.47 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: for things like AD/DA converters with drivers (motors, other 'dirty' stuff) this usb isolator is just fine, even with 12Mb/s |
| 00:58.55 | SpeedEvil | Indeed. |
| 00:59.16 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: devices needing 480Mb/s can afford more expensive stuff |
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| 01:00.12 | SpeedEvil | True - I diddn't say it wasn't useful - just that usb2 would be much cooler. |
| 01:00.50 | DocScrutinizer | :nod: but you know about the insane PHY requirements of USB2 |
| 01:00.56 | SpeedEvil | yeah. |
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| 01:01.16 | DocScrutinizer | you even have to use selected low capacity tranzorbs |
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| 01:01.50 | DocScrutinizer | the usual ones have up to 50pF which is too much (or sth like that) |
| 01:01.54 | GAN900 | See the new tweet from Forum Nokia" |
| 01:01.57 | GAN900 | ? |
| 01:02.09 | DocScrutinizer | eh? |
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| 01:03.39 | DocScrutinizer | GAN900: what is it about? link? |
| 01:07.02 | cehteh | http://www.asymco.com/2011/05/27/microsoft-has-received-five-times-more-income-from-android-than-from-windows-phone/ |
| 01:07.04 | cehteh | rofl |
| 01:07.49 | GAN900 | How do I link tweets? |
| 01:08.12 | DocScrutinizer | I got nfc, I don't even know exactly what's a tweet |
| 01:08.50 | GAN900 | http://twitter.com/#!/forumnokia/status/74158222302380032 |
| 01:09.39 | DocScrutinizer | ummm |
| 01:09.46 | DocScrutinizer | rather blank page |
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| 01:10.41 | DocScrutinizer | meh |
| 01:11.34 | DocScrutinizer | I guess "optimized for MS Explorer" |
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| 01:11.59 | DocScrutinizer | loading like 70 pics and showing a tiny bird and a huge blank screen |
| 01:12.23 | cos^ | "Whatâs your lucky number? We think it might be 18. Stay tuned for more info coming on 1 June. Tell a friend." |
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| 01:12.39 | DocScrutinizer | uhuh |
| 01:13.26 | DocScrutinizer | now if this would make any more sense that the empty page.... |
| 01:13.34 | cehteh | haha |
| 01:13.37 | DocScrutinizer | thanks anyway |
| 01:14.03 | cehteh | i miss the twitter manual page too .. and prolly i dont want to read it either |
| 01:14.59 | DocScrutinizer | reminds me at liqtorch - 5mb for a completely white screen |
| 01:15.15 | cehteh | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:15.18 | cehteh | grr |
| 01:18.58 | cehteh | __download_dest=/tmp |
| 01:19.02 | cehteh | hardcoded nice |
| 01:19.11 | DocScrutinizer | hah |
| 01:19.27 | DocScrutinizer | hands cehteh the lart |
| 01:19.35 | cehteh | (not hard enough) |
| 01:19.45 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 01:19.48 | cehteh | the scratchbox installer |
| 01:20.18 | DocScrutinizer | ohnoes, the py gui crap? |
| 01:20.29 | cehteh | __download_dest=/tmp |
| 01:20.33 | cehteh | nope the .sh |
| 01:20.38 | DocScrutinizer | mhm |
| 01:20.49 | cehteh | Saving to: `/var/tmp/scratchbox-devkit-doctools_1.0.13_i386.deb' |
| 01:20.53 | cehteh | fixed |
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| 01:21.31 | DocScrutinizer | kickit |
| 01:21.35 | cehteh | good to have a caching proxy here .. else i would need to D/L all the crap again |
| 01:21.54 | DocScrutinizer | sounds exactly like py gui |
| 01:22.11 | cehteh | nope http://repository.maemo.org/stable/5.0/maemo-scratchbox-install_5.0.sh |
| 01:22.51 | cehteh | installing it remotely over ssh .. i hope it doesnt try to open a window |
| 01:23.47 | DocScrutinizer | yo maan, looks *cool* with all those __* |
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| 01:30.26 | DocScrutinizer | I think you could fix line 128 to not dl files that are already there |
| 01:33.09 | cehteh | proxy works well |
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| 01:33.53 | cehteh | at least as long my internet connection is slower than my rusty proxy |
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| 01:34.22 | cehteh | but we may change to cable internet in a few months, guess that would obsolete my old via C3 :) |
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| 01:46.34 | DocScrutinizer | cehteh: umm, see #252 |
| 01:46.57 | DocScrutinizer | and #272 |
| 01:50.19 | DocScrutinizer | well, #82 finally |
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| 01:54.32 | cehteh | eh what bugs? .. i dont care about bugs :P |
| 01:56.02 | cehteh | wonders what the people smoked who created the fuse api :P |
| 01:56.56 | cehteh | anyways .. very basic filesystem works |
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| 02:06.10 | SpeedEvil | What're you doing? |
| 02:06.50 | GAN900 | Sleeping |
| 02:06.54 | cehteh | hacking on my old idea about a distributed filesystem |
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| 02:08.13 | n00bn900 | hey there, anyone here capable of running skype video calls on PR 1.3 ? I can do everything with skype except for video calls..not showing up. was wondering what the culprit for that is |
| 02:08.18 | SpeedEvil | cehteh: Ah. |
| 02:08.44 | SpeedEvil | cehteh: I'm doing something fairly pointless - I am refactoring my script that sorts my local supermarket by price/Kg |
| 02:08.45 | cehteh | n00bn900: what connection 3G, wlan, gsm? |
| 02:08.56 | n00bn900 | cehteh: wifi |
| 02:09.04 | n00bn900 | yeah wlan |
| 02:09.29 | n00bn900 | i don't see any option for video calls..checked with faps to see if i was missing a video call package or something but none there either |
| 02:09.32 | cehteh | sometimes works unreliable, but i had it working once |
| 02:09.35 | n00bn900 | i thought i've seen people do video calls |
| 02:09.53 | n00bn900 | do i have to do anything? or is that because recipient may not be using up to date version of skype? |
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| 02:10.07 | n00bn900 | like i can set up skype IM and Skype Call but no video call |
| 02:10.08 | cehteh | could be |
| 02:10.10 | n00bn900 | hm |
| 02:10.26 | cehteh | video-call me :P |
| 02:11.16 | n00bn900 | lol |
| 02:11.31 | cehteh | (haha planning to cancel my skype account sometime soon .. i can now give anyone my ID ... soon to be dead :P |
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| 02:16.36 | acidjazz | is it possible to do a hard reset of the OS on an n900 ? |
| 02:17.00 | cehteh | OS? Device? |
| 02:17.27 | cehteh | you mean rebooting or back to factory state? |
| 02:17.41 | n00bn900 | cehteh: thanks for the invite to do video call. I think I know..the other person has to have webcam and video enabled on their account and using one of the latest skype versions. |
| 02:18.03 | n00bn900 | and i know she's using an old version and perhaps doesn't even have webcam...so i'll see what i need to do to get her on video call. Thanks again though hehe |
| 02:18.21 | cehteh | haha 'she' :P ... |
| 02:18.51 | n00bn900 | it's my wife on international travel :) |
| 02:19.17 | cehteh | ah ok (yes yes we all believe you) |
| 02:19.32 | n00bn900 | :) |
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| 02:20.41 | DocScrutinizer | cehteh: which bugs? |
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| 02:21.46 | cehteh | the # numbers you gave what was that? |
| 02:21.54 | DocScrutinizer | line# |
| 02:22.24 | cehteh | ah .. i didt looked at the script .. just fixed the /tmp and go |
| 02:22.42 | DocScrutinizer | you as well might try -h ;-P |
| 02:22.49 | cehteh | i did |
| 02:23.00 | cehteh | (looking for a --tmp or similar option) |
| 02:23.03 | DocScrutinizer | so you noticed -c, no? |
| 02:23.23 | cehteh | that was no problem |
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| 02:23.31 | DocScrutinizer | I know |
| 02:23.36 | cehteh | i have a proxy .. so refetching is no problem |
| 02:23.41 | DocScrutinizer | probably even useless when you changed /tmp |
| 02:23.42 | cehteh | the tmpdir was the problem .. |
| 02:23.57 | cehteh | why shall i fix a no-problem .. have better things to do |
| 02:24.13 | DocScrutinizer | lol, maybe for mere speed? |
| 02:24.49 | acidjazz | cehteh: yes .. n900 maemo |
| 02:24.59 | cehteh | nah .. i just thought "would be nice to install the sdk on my desktop" .. thats running in a screen session and if i dont forget it i may complete that next fays |
| 02:25.00 | cehteh | days |
| 02:25.23 | DocScrutinizer | ;-) |
| 02:25.33 | cehteh | acidjazz: there are some/different ways to reset most (but not all) user data .. |
| 02:25.41 | cehteh | but the easiest is just to reflash the device |
| 02:25.48 | DocScrutinizer | duh, I might isntall that moster on my centOS box |
| 02:26.00 | acidjazz | cehteh: and i need to do that w/ a computer? |
| 02:26.15 | cehteh | yes and usb cable |
| 02:26.38 | DocScrutinizer | cehteh: the easiest is "reset to factory defaults" in settings menu :-) |
| 02:26.46 | cehteh | what do you want to archive? ..cleaning the device before selling it? |
| 02:26.59 | cehteh | DocScrutinizer: that doesnt wipe all and everything |
| 02:27.23 | DocScrutinizer | I never said it would |
| 02:27.43 | cehteh | well i dont know what acidjazz exactly wants |
| 02:27.55 | acidjazz | i dusted off my n900 |
| 02:27.59 | acidjazz | i need to use it when i travel southeast asia |
| 02:28.10 | acidjazz | and last i had it i put all this crap on it it doesnt even have enough room to update maemo |
| 02:28.19 | DocScrutinizer | that's clearly a reflash then |
| 02:28.38 | DocScrutinizer | ~flash |
| 02:28.38 | infobot | i heard flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
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| 02:28.41 | cehteh | at least reflashing is the easiest way |
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| 02:29.00 | cehteh | clean up all manually is a bit pita |
| 02:29.01 | acidjazz | are most ppl usually using meego w/ their n900 now? |
| 02:29.06 | cehteh | nope |
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| 02:29.07 | DocScrutinizer | nah |
| 02:29.35 | DocScrutinizer | cehteh: also useless, as it seems PR1.1 or sth |
| 02:29.37 | cehteh | is there a meego scratchbox install? |
| 02:29.58 | acidjazz | and is the n900 the top maemo device still? |
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| 02:30.02 | cehteh | completely ignores meego so far |
| 02:30.09 | DocScrutinizer | top and only |
| 02:30.31 | DocScrutinizer | well, for maemo5 at least |
| 02:30.33 | cehteh | only? .. only maemo5 |
| 02:30.35 | cehteh | :) |
| 02:30.41 | acidjazz | is there 6 now? |
| 02:30.44 | DocScrutinizer | no |
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| 02:31.06 | DocScrutinizer | there's been 4 though |
| 02:31.09 | acidjazz | ah |
| 02:31.18 | cehteh | acidjazz: at what state is your device? how long was it out of service? |
| 02:31.33 | cehteh | well just reflash thats the easiest |
| 02:31.35 | acidjazz | year or so |
| 02:31.46 | acidjazz | yea i have a mac now though is there even software i can use to reflash it? |
| 02:31.51 | acidjazz | im trying to uninstall apps and do a maemo update.. |
| 02:32.13 | cehteh | is there a flasher for macos? |
| 02:32.22 | cehteh | prolly yes .. but i dont know |
| 02:32.31 | cehteh | see the link DocScrutinizer gave above |
| 02:32.43 | DocScrutinizer | not afaik |
| 02:32.52 | cehteh | http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#Mac_OS_X |
| 02:33.01 | DocScrutinizer | could your mac boot a linux? |
| 02:33.09 | DocScrutinizer | o.O |
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| 02:33.27 | cehteh | haha |
| 02:33.30 | acidjazz | ah http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php |
| 02:33.39 | acidjazz | which one? |
| 02:34.20 | psycho_oreos | depends on what you want, obviously |
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| 02:35.00 | DocScrutinizer | cehteh: sounds a lil tad obsolete though |
| 02:35.15 | DocScrutinizer | 770flasher c'mon |
| 02:35.37 | cehteh | macos X .. c'mon :) |
| 02:35.38 | acidjazz | maemo desktop? |
| 02:35.38 | DocScrutinizer | maybe it's been so good they didn't have to update it |
| 02:36.11 | cehteh | hehe can you flash between 2 devices one in hostmode? .. |
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| 02:36.43 | DocScrutinizer | suddenly starts to wonder about all the *-mbp nicks here, and what they did to flash |
| 02:36.59 | DocScrutinizer | cehteh: I think MohammadAG did it |
| 02:37.17 | acidjazz | ohwell im over it |
| 02:37.19 | acidjazz | & |
| 02:38.10 | DocScrutinizer | whatever that means ... :-) |
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| 02:42.05 | DocScrutinizer | acidjazz: wouldn't that depend on what's your mac precisely? (<acidjazz> which one?) |
| 02:42.53 | DocScrutinizer | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php?f=maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2_i386.dmg looks nice |
| 02:43.40 | DocScrutinizer | unless you got a ppc |
| 02:44.15 | GAN900 | Seems like when you set the mouse pointer to be black it should be black |
| 02:44.25 | GAN900 | and not switch randomly back and forth between black and default. |
| 02:44.53 | DocScrutinizer | acidjazz: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php?f=Readme_Maemo_Flasher-3.5.txt also might help |
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| 02:47.45 | cehteh | n8 |
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| 02:53.36 | DocScrutinizer | maemo-flasher.tgz for linux: 48kB - - maemo-flasher.exe for windows: 3.6MB -- LOL |
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| 02:56.08 | DocScrutinizer | GAN900: probably you got a race |
| 02:57.09 | DocScrutinizer | some other process thinks mouse should be default - sigstop may help |
| 02:57.45 | DocScrutinizer | not though if it's a driver |
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| 03:26.00 | ShadowJK | excellent, my N900 battery survived 17 hour workday without charging |
| 03:27.23 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, IRC been relatively quiet? |
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| 03:29.08 | DocScrutinizer | on WLAN mine survives way more than a 17h day. On 2G it depends. On 3G only if I switch off xchat |
| 03:29.54 | ShadowJK | I was only connected to xchat for about 6 hours of that |
| 03:30.17 | DocScrutinizer | :nod: |
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| 03:30.38 | ShadowJK | If I may brag, bq27200 does exactly what I wanted when I wrote it, allows me to plan for times when I'll be on a constrained power budget :P |
| 03:30.49 | ShadowJK | for=during |
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| 03:31.21 | ShadowJK | Downloaded about 150M of podcasts, listened to those, and 4 hours of other podcasts I already had.. plus an hour of streaming radio :P |
| 03:31.21 | DocScrutinizer | that's the main purpose, yes |
| 03:31.40 | ShadowJK | Some sporadic web browsing |
| 03:31.56 | DocScrutinizer | well, online is online |
| 03:32.31 | ShadowJK | yeah online all the time, monitoring other stuff through ssh. Actually fixed something through ssh that broke during the night, too :P |
| 03:32.40 | ShadowJK | <3 N900 |
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| 09:27.53 | pupnikafk | hey guys |
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| 12:09.01 | DocScrutinizer | devel -development |
| 12:09.06 | arvut | oh, I'm alrdy here :) |
| 12:09.23 | arvut | no sense /j'ing again then :P |
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| 12:10.20 | pupnikafk | don't be scared |
| 12:10.22 | pupnikafk | use your life for something good |
| 12:10.25 | pupnikafk | don't listen to the sheeple |
| 12:10.47 | arvut | I just have to say this, this mugen power battery is amazing for the n900, suddenly I have power again, kinda reminds me of my old creative zen touch which was mainly a hdd and battery :P |
| 12:11.43 | arvut | actually, it still is, I keep it alive for some odd reason with usb cable at all time when the desktop pc is on :) |
| 12:12.09 | macmaN | doesnt it make the n900 colossal? |
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| 12:15.31 | MohammadAG | is 1.5s good startup time for an app? |
| 12:16.08 | robbiethe1st | Yea, |
| 12:17.17 | Itschuee | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:17.17 | infobot | Remove battery for 1 minute. Insert battery. Plug powered Nokia wallcharger to device. Watch steady amber. Let sit and charge. Do NOT try to boot. After 30 min, you got either a) a booted up N900, b) flashing amber which means you can boot, c) steady amber going off - in this case start over again with ~flatbatrecover |
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| 12:24.17 | Arkenoi | mugen power battery would be great if not a) ugly back cover b) inadequate pricing. I can tolerate b) but not a). |
| 12:24.45 | Arkenoi | i had 3.6Ah mugen power for e90 and it was great |
| 12:25.16 | psycho_oreos | their back cover have slightly improved but dare I say its still ugly |
| 12:25.49 | ShadowJK | I thought there were only two versions of the cover |
| 12:25.54 | Arkenoi | I wish it had decent back stand like n800 has -- then i'd buy it immediately |
| 12:26.03 | Arkenoi | ShadowJK, neither looks good |
| 12:26.37 | ShadowJK | and the second came like a week after the first |
| 12:27.12 | psycho_oreos | there are two versions of the cover. The first makes N900 look like a old fat remote. The second one has on/off switch which I presume is for camera |
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| 12:29.47 | psycho_oreos | neither of which has a backstand or lens cover so I'm not interested in either. Though without a doubt if it had those plus has something like a hardened case which otterbox for N900 is I'd buy it without giving a second thought. It'll be an ideal dust protector with kickstand plus huge battery |
| 12:32.20 | ShadowJK | Amusingly I have just as much (if not more) dust on lens with nokia cover after 6 moths as with mugen cover after 6 moths |
| 12:32.24 | psycho_oreos | supposedly there's a tmo thread on massive battery test (mugen isn't on the list due to their price), and they found scud 1410mAh (or something like) was the best amongst the lot. If you combined both of those batteries together like the thread owner did you get a whopping 3000mAh |
| 12:33.31 | maybeArgh | how does that work, do you ductape them together? |
| 12:33.56 | psycho_oreos | where I work, a dust cover is not optional, its mandatory or my N900 will get dusty within a few days |
| 12:34.06 | ShadowJK | he opened them and soldered them together |
| 12:34.07 | psycho_oreos | yeah that plus some soldering, hacking, etc |
| 12:34.20 | psycho_oreos | http://forums.internettablettalk.com/showthread.php?t=65568 |
| 12:34.46 | ShadowJK | only + and -, connecting bsi together confuses bme even more than it already is |
| 12:35.20 | Arkenoi | my n900 is more than one year old and there is no dust at all (original noka cover) |
| 12:35.44 | Arkenoi | wishes we had cheap and precise 3d printers which are also capable of making metal parts :-) |
| 12:36.17 | ShadowJK | I have quite significant amounts of dust and I wiped it off last week :) |
| 12:36.33 | ShadowJK | Guess I work in a high dust environment too :) |
| 12:37.03 | psycho_oreos | I'm lucky to have access to high pressure air blower at work. So every so often I give N900 a blow out |
| 12:37.39 | psycho_oreos | damnit.. who was the one that asked about power47 kernel? |
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| 12:38.34 | DocScrutinizer | maybeArgh: basically yes |
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| 12:39.36 | DocScrutinizer | Arkenoi: those are called CNC mills |
| 12:40.01 | SpeedEvil | Also - shapeways.com are fun. |
| 12:40.10 | psycho_oreos | merlin1991, ping |
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| 12:42.08 | MohammadAG | anyone actually bought that "scud" battery? |
| 12:43.23 | Arkenoi | MohammadAG, me |
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| 12:49.13 | arvut | meh.. fennec just froze, good thing I ran it in xterm |
| 12:49.59 | arvut | I bet those tech republic sites has too many javascripts running. gotta install noscript now |
| 12:51.20 | psycho_oreos | you updated that fennec? (not like its going to prevent the freeze but then again) |
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| 12:58.24 | DocScrutinizer | stupid NOLO maybe should try to boot from the (unused) initrd partition when "u" got pressed and battery voltage too low. WTF make NOLO think it can expect a working & charging system on rootfs when user tries to flash?! |
| 12:59.56 | DocScrutinizer | ok, NOLO does not think or expect - so this job is a poorly done job for Nokia NOLO developer(s) |
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| 13:00.56 | picolsq | hi |
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| 13:02.57 | Daryl02 | is the wiki about SmartQ devices still updated ? |
| 13:03.11 | Daryl02 | especially this page: |
| 13:03.13 | Daryl02 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Status/SmartQ |
| 13:03.24 | DocScrutinizer | there is one possible fix by community; |
| 13:03.38 | DocScrutinizer | for the flah&lowbat-deadlock |
| 13:03.42 | Daryl02 | I own a SmartQ5, and I just analyzed the irom |
| 13:03.53 | Daryl02 | There is no boot from the external SD |
| 13:04.40 | Daryl02 | the boot from external SD can be done in Qi or uBoot, but not iROM |
| 13:05.17 | DocScrutinizer | we could create a charging-bootloader that gets loaded to ram via 'coldflash' scheme |
| 13:05.57 | DocScrutinizer | no NOLO ever gets touched -> batey can charge up to 4.1V even on a messed up system |
| 13:06.07 | pupnikafk | hey DocScrutinizer |
| 13:06.19 | DocScrutinizer | hay pupnikafk - how's life? |
| 13:06.41 | pupnika | well, every day is one day less |
| 13:07.26 | pupnika | i have everything i wanted, except for life extension |
| 13:07.40 | Daryl02 | You only can boot on SD channel 2 by connecting GPN13,14 and 15 to high level |
| 13:08.27 | pupnika | and every meego conference visitor accepted TSA scaning their penis to see if they were circumcised |
| 13:08.28 | Daryl02 | as explained in the S3C6410X Application note document |
| 13:09.01 | pupnika | there is no excuse for that |
| 13:09.03 | DocScrutinizer | pupnika: it's sad but a fact - the world is hard to change |
| 13:09.14 | pupnika | oh my freinds change it |
| 13:09.41 | pupnika | DocScrutinizer: one out of 50,000 nsa letters recipients complained |
| 13:09.49 | pupnika | and 80 percent of them won in court |
| 13:09.59 | DocScrutinizer | best chances are when we are friendly and helpful to people, so they love to learn :-D |
| 13:10.01 | pupnika | only cowardice is hopeless |
| 13:10.14 | pupnika | we can not accept this |
| 13:10.48 | pupnika | check out sibel edmonds |
| 13:11.05 | pupnika | a turkish lady who denied the silence of the usa |
| 13:11.09 | pupnika | she is free |
| 13:11.45 | pupnika | even the people who administer the spy system... they hate it |
| 13:11.53 | pupnika | we just need to support them |
| 13:12.15 | pupnika | courage, DocScrutinizer |
| 13:12.34 | pupnika | truth has it's own force |
| 13:13.38 | pupnika | it is impressive how few stand-up for their rights |
| 13:13.52 | pupnika | for example 250,000 national security letters were issued |
| 13:13.58 | DocScrutinizer | pupnika: I agree and sympathise with your notion, but I'm honestly afraid this is the wrong forum for this, as you can't reach people about it here. Most will ignore off topic things or simply leave the channel, when it starts to make them feel uncomfortable |
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| 13:14.19 | pupnika | 5 people fought it |
| 13:14.27 | pupnika | out of 250,000 |
| 13:14.37 | pupnika | and those 5 people changed the law |
| 13:14.43 | pupnika | courage |
| 13:15.04 | pupnika | this is what linux is about |
| 13:15.04 | DocScrutinizer | indeed, it's always a few brave ones that get things moving/changing |
| 13:15.35 | DocScrutinizer | aaah now I get your catch how this is liked to FOSS |
| 13:15.36 | pupnika | they are ... cowards |
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| 13:15.41 | pupnika | yep |
| 13:15.47 | DocScrutinizer | I guess not many "users" think like that |
| 13:16.03 | pupnika | they can be educated |
| 13:16.28 | pupnika | i grew up in the arpanet culture |
| 13:16.38 | pupnika | we created the internet with the ideals of freedom |
| 13:16.42 | pupnika | we created the internet |
| 13:16.56 | pupnika | people like me |
| 13:17.08 | pupnika | i am here to teach the children |
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| 13:18.38 | alterego | I've figured it out, abill_uk is the png guy |
| 13:19.15 | pupnika | alterego: you are also someone who is close to being on the right side of freedom |
| 13:19.38 | DocScrutinizer | pupnika: respectable intent - but you know children, you need to reach them, they don't react good on shouting and patronizing |
| 13:20.06 | pupnika | DocScrutinizer: i disagree |
| 13:20.29 | pupnika | a white hot sword of dissent makes people realize that something is wrong |
| 13:20.37 | DocScrutinizer | pupnika: how about creating your own blog and writing things up there in an entertaining fun-to-read non-accusing way? |
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| 13:21.02 | pupnika | i am a contributor to maemo and this is my community |
| 13:21.08 | pupnika | and i was here before you were |
| 13:21.16 | DocScrutinizer | pupnika: no doubt |
| 13:21.51 | DocScrutinizer | I just suggest rethinking your concept from a pedagogic PoV |
| 13:22.21 | pupnika | other people can use that strategy, it's not my style |
| 13:22.49 | pupnika | i think it's necessary that some people are outraged |
| 13:23.08 | pupnika | the US government scanning children and storing their naked bodies |
| 13:23.11 | pupnika | lol |
| 13:23.21 | pupnika | did you imagine this? |
| 13:23.31 | DocScrutinizer | pupnika: you can change the world maybe, but definitely you have to start and pick up people where they are. If your pedagogic approach is prone to fail, no insisting in a higher insight will change anything |
| 13:23.54 | pupnika | ahhh they can only shoot me once |
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| 13:24.13 | DocScrutinizer | that's not your goal though I guess |
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| 13:25.29 | DocScrutinizer | to be very clear on this: shouting "learn! idiots!" won't help *anybody* |
| 13:25.54 | DocScrutinizer | it's a perfect plan to make everybody ignore you |
| 13:25.58 | pupnika | #maemo was the pioneer of portable-device freedom |
| 13:26.07 | pupnika | oh let them |
| 13:26.37 | pupnika | if we don't understand what we are doing we are lost |
| 13:26.59 | DocScrutinizer | I completely agree on this bit |
| 13:27.01 | pupnika | it's freedom from tyranny, from government coercion |
| 13:28.06 | pupnika | so grin and bear it :) |
| 13:28.25 | pupnika | grin with your skull |
| 13:28.41 | DocScrutinizer | but honestly, though I understand your intentions and see they're good, this chan can't tolerate anybody going to insult and rise channel temperature for obviously no achievable aim |
| 13:28.56 | pupnika | who else is raising channel temp? |
| 13:29.04 | pupnika | nobody! |
| 13:29.39 | pupnika | nobody even bothers to disagree! |
| 13:30.11 | pupnika | that is our situation in 2011! |
| 13:30.18 | pupnika | i'm just documenting the dissent |
| 13:30.32 | pupnika | one lonely man |
| 13:34.31 | RST38bis | pupnik: relax and welcome our anally probing overlords. |
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| 13:38.15 | RST38bis | pupnik: and, obviously, this is almost required reading: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Second_Invasion_from_Mars |
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| 13:46.24 | DocScrutinizer | on explicit private request - though I really don't like it. But everybody can get what he's asking for as long as it's in line with chan rules |
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| 13:46.47 | DocScrutinizer | meh |
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| 13:50.09 | psycho_oreos | any of you guys tried mscim from extras-devel? |
| 13:51.32 | *** mode/#maemo [-bb pupnika!*@* *!*@p54B2A321.dip.t-dialin.net] by DocScrutinizer |
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| 13:52.53 | RST38bis | Poor pupnik is weeping for the world again? =) |
| 13:53.23 | psycho_oreos | tough reality he must be facing :) |
| 13:53.29 | DocScrutinizer | he insists on he's planning a troll carreer and doesn't fit into #maemo, and asked me to ban him |
| 13:53.46 | dm8tbr | he just moved to #meego |
| 13:54.01 | DocScrutinizer | I'm no chanop on #meego |
| 13:54.18 | psycho_oreos | he still has his other handle in here :) |
| 13:54.29 | DocScrutinizer | ? |
| 13:54.38 | psycho_oreos | pupnika_ |
| 13:54.55 | psycho_oreos | using that to stir up some other poor user in #meego |
| 13:55.13 | DocScrutinizer | pupnik* is banned |
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| 13:56.23 | psycho_oreos | more like pupni* :) still he has his other handle here, sure he won't be able to join with other clients but he knows that the nickname is banned from the other client :) |
| 13:57.10 | DocScrutinizer | [Bannliste: #maemo] pupni*!*@* eingetragen von DocScrutinizer am 2011-05-28 15:49 |
| 13:57.23 | dm8tbr | lovely, freenode staff refuses to help and meego ops are nowhere to be seen |
| 13:57.35 | psycho_oreos | i.e. he had two irc connections and has two instances of himself on this channel, you banned his nick but you kicked one of him. There's still another instance of him |
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| 13:57.57 | DocScrutinizer | so for now all users matching this are quieted, and rejoin won't work |
| 13:58.44 | psycho_oreos | thinks he'll probably come back using some other handle now that he knows his nick is banned |
| 13:58.48 | dm8tbr | psycho_oreos: +b works like +q on users that are joined |
| 13:58.58 | DocScrutinizer | I'm not happy with this anyway, whould have preferred he changed his habits a bit |
| 13:59.11 | psycho_oreos | dm8tbr, yeah but what I meant was that he knows he can still run away with another nick |
| 13:59.33 | DocScrutinizer | psycho_oreos: sure he can do this. Anyway he asked me to ban him, that's what I did |
| 14:00.55 | DocScrutinizer | and I'm more than happy to remove that ban when he queries me and tells he changed his concept to save the world |
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| 14:01.19 | psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer, *shrugs* ok |
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| 14:01.55 | Gyjf | why remove the ban when you can keep it? |
| 14:02.30 | psycho_oreos | he has a different ban set on the nick |
| 14:02.46 | DocScrutinizer | pupnik isn't a bad guy really - just kinda getting more weird every day |
| 14:05.11 | DocScrutinizer | I asked him how to deal with this fact, and he asked me to ban him as he doesn't fit into #maemo |
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| 14:06.15 | psycho_oreos | lol he was somewhat honest despite his persistence |
| 14:06.27 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 14:07.03 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: o/ |
| 14:07.14 | javispedro | hello |
| 14:07.24 | DocScrutinizer | we lost pupnik |
| 14:08.15 | javispedro | oh :P |
| 14:09.36 | MohammadAG | sigh, now he's trolling #liqbase |
| 14:10.05 | javispedro | <non PC mode>I ponder if his periodic conspirationist/new world order stories are due to some kind of , dunno, low sugar in blood or something.. |
| 14:10.27 | javispedro | </> |
| 14:10.47 | DocScrutinizer | he got a medical problem, afaik a final one :,( |
| 14:10.48 | MohammadAG | or high percentage of alcohol |
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| 14:12.08 | psycho_oreos | you meant terminal medical problem |
| 14:12.26 | DocScrutinizer | [2011-05-28 15:06:19] <DocScrutinizer> hay pupnikafk - how's life? |
| 14:12.28 | DocScrutinizer | [2011-05-28 15:06:41] <pupnika> well, every day is one day less |
| 14:12.29 | DocScrutinizer | [2011-05-28 15:07:26] <pupnika> i have everything i wanted, except for life extension |
| 14:12.48 | psycho_oreos | life extension? |
| 14:12.56 | psycho_oreos | terminal illness of some sort it seems |
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| 14:14.00 | MohammadAG | :/ |
| 14:14.09 | psycho_oreos | either way he'll probably be better to troll in ##philosophy or something like that :) where one can speak imaginative things |
| 14:14.33 | DocScrutinizer | maybe he already does ;-) |
| 14:15.10 | psycho_oreos | probably got silenced/banned :D |
| 14:15.43 | DocScrutinizer | he always can troll RL out there in FRA |
| 14:16.01 | psycho_oreos | FRA? |
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| 14:16.07 | DocScrutinizer | seems he tld me he already does ;) |
| 14:16.14 | MoonTiger | hi guys :) |
| 14:16.25 | DocScrutinizer | FFM |
| 14:16.34 | psycho_oreos | his skill has probably sharpened over the due course ;) |
| 14:16.43 | psycho_oreos | s/skill/trolling skill/ |
| 14:16.47 | MoonTiger | ummmm im having some noob problems and wonder if i can ask for some help without being laughed at :) |
| 14:16.47 | DocScrutinizer | hi MoonTiger |
| 14:16.57 | DocScrutinizer | shoot |
| 14:17.04 | DocScrutinizer | we're all noobs more or less |
| 14:17.07 | psycho_oreos | we're not mind readers so we can't laugh at nothing ;) |
| 14:17.10 | MoonTiger | so... im trying to write a sharing plugin for my website |
| 14:17.27 | MoonTiger | and im trying to include the libs for making an md5 hash |
| 14:17.35 | MoonTiger | gcrypt.h i figured |
| 14:17.46 | MoonTiger | but i cannot get it added to the makefile |
| 14:17.49 | MoonTiger | *sigh* |
| 14:17.51 | DocScrutinizer | heh, you said "noob problem" ;-P |
| 14:18.08 | javispedro | MoonTiger: Are you using glib? |
| 14:18.11 | MoonTiger | heh well for a progeammer it is |
| 14:18.14 | psycho_oreos | indeed, if that was deemed a noob problem, I would have been a nobody :D |
| 14:18.14 | MoonTiger | yes |
| 14:18.29 | javispedro | MoonTiger: glib has some md5 routines, let me look up |
| 14:18.48 | MoonTiger | im basically using the sample plugin and hacking it as a learning experience .... but i can't get it to see the gcrypt.h file |
| 14:18.53 | MoonTiger | ahhhh |
| 14:19.00 | MoonTiger | javispedro, thnx |
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| 14:19.07 | MoonTiger | i dont know the gtk api very well |
| 14:19.29 | javispedro | http://developer.gnome.org/glib/2.26/glib-Data-Checksums.html |
| 14:19.53 | MoonTiger | im assuming the digest is the md5 |
| 14:20.14 | javispedro | you can choose between a few ones, including md5 |
| 14:20.29 | MoonTiger | ahhhh i c |
| 14:20.31 | MoonTiger | thnx so much |
| 14:20.42 | javispedro | http://developer.gnome.org/glib/2.26/glib-Data-Checksums.html#g-compute-checksum-for-data |
| 14:20.42 | MoonTiger | how do i include other libs into my app? |
| 14:20.49 | javispedro | see that function specially |
| 14:20.49 | MoonTiger | i thought <gcrypt.h> |
| 14:20.57 | javispedro | have no idea what gcrypt is. |
| 14:21.04 | MoonTiger | ok well any header file |
| 14:21.13 | MoonTiger | i thought #include <blah.h> would work |
| 14:21.55 | javispedro | what was the error message? (either way, if you're already using glib, you need not include anything extra for the routines I listed above...) |
| 14:22.21 | javispedro | I see gcrypt comes with gnupg, probably is not on n900. |
| 14:22.26 | javispedro | *available |
| 14:22.54 | MoonTiger | javispedro, i see ... its in the scratchbox stuff tho so i figured it would be ok |
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| 14:23.49 | MoonTiger | but thnx for the heads up ... great help :) |
| 14:23.55 | javispedro | good luck. |
| 14:24.03 | MoonTiger | hehe i think im going to need it |
| 14:24.04 | MoonTiger | :) |
| 14:25.44 | javispedro | now, why is gentoo crossdev broken again here.. |
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| 14:28.19 | DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# apt-cache search gnupg | wc -l |
| 14:28.20 | DocScrutinizer | 19 |
| 14:29.38 | DocScrutinizer | has to teach moony about leechers and IRC common sense |
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| 14:30.25 | DocScrutinizer | not nice usually to drop by for a short question then leave |
| 14:30.42 | DocScrutinizer | well |
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| 14:30.50 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: ^^^ 19 |
| 14:31.20 | javispedro | dunno if it's on stock n900 |
| 14:31.37 | javispedro | I know it _is_ on sbox as he said though |
| 14:31.49 | javispedro | for package signing et all |
| 14:32.18 | javispedro | but locate gcrypt on my n900 said nothing ;) |
| 14:32.44 | DocScrutinizer | libgcrypt11: |
| 14:32.46 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:32.56 | DocScrutinizer | 500 http://repository.maemo.org fremantle-1.3/free Packages |
| 14:33.06 | javispedro | that is extras. |
| 14:33.46 | DocScrutinizer | anyway moony left |
| 14:35.50 | DocScrutinizer | time for 12648430 â |
| 14:41.22 | javispedro | curses |
| 14:41.24 | javispedro | "sorry, unimplemented: -mfloat-abi=hard and VFP" |
| 14:42.11 | DocScrutinizer | ~airport FRA |
| 14:42.12 | infobot | from memory, airport fra is The code for the airport in: Frankfurt/Main <Germany> |
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| 14:43.08 | MoonTiger | hehe it's so diferent doing more or less straight C after so many years of C++ |
| 14:43.13 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: hardfp? ask in #meego-arm, stskeeps knows about that stuff |
| 14:43.25 | DocScrutinizer | ooh, he's here again |
| 14:43.39 | MoonTiger | :) |
| 14:43.40 | ShadowJK | you'd need to reconpile the entire system, you know... |
| 14:44.08 | DocScrutinizer | MoonTiger: there's no need to leave the channel as soon as you don't intend to post any further questions ;-) |
| 14:44.26 | MoonTiger | slinks off into the corner |
| 14:44.57 | DocScrutinizer | MoonTiger: apt-cache policy libgcrypt11 |
| 14:45.37 | MoonTiger | oooooo its not there :| |
| 14:45.48 | DocScrutinizer | it is on my system |
| 14:45.56 | MoonTiger | the glib stuff works for me tho as i only need simple md5 hashing |
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| 14:46.13 | DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# apt-cache policy libgcrypt11 |
| 14:46.14 | DocScrutinizer | libgcrypt11: |
| 14:46.15 | MoonTiger | how is it on your system? |
| 14:46.15 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:46.33 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:46.35 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:46.48 | MoonTiger | ahhhh you installed it explicitly |
| 14:47.06 | DocScrutinizer | no, it came as a dependency on $dunno standard |
| 14:47.17 | DocScrutinizer | cssu maybe, maybe sth other |
| 14:47.23 | MoonTiger | weird ... i have open ssh ... would have thought that would pull it in |
| 14:47.36 | MoonTiger | prolly i dont have the dev stuff to use it in code |
| 14:47.55 | MoonTiger | watches a program about the black death |
| 14:47.55 | javispedro | also, glib is stock, so why depend on sth else ;) |
| 14:48.01 | DocScrutinizer | some not-so-nooby apt/dpks wizard could prolly tell you what it RDEPNDS on |
| 14:48.10 | MoonTiger | javispedro, yes ... glib is working fine ... thnx again |
| 14:48.11 | MoonTiger | :) |
| 14:48.29 | MoonTiger | is not an apt ninja |
| 14:48.43 | DocScrutinizer | neither |
| 14:48.57 | MoonTiger | also im getting used to pacman more these days |
| 14:49.20 | MoonTiger | altho i still occassionally do "sudo apt-get -Syu" |
| 14:49.24 | MoonTiger | when im on debian |
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| 14:53.14 | DocScrutinizer | lol - I wondered for a moment how muchning pizzas and chasing ghosts comes in here ;-P |
| 14:55.03 | MoonTiger | oh hey... whats the best way to shutdown the emulated n900? when i just "x" it it won't restart |
| 14:55.28 | MoonTiger | haha |
| 14:55.43 | MoonTiger | mmmmmmm pizza |
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| 14:56.57 | javispedro | it's not an emulator |
| 14:57.18 | javispedro | also, "af-sb-init.sh {stop|start|restart}" |
| 14:57.28 | DocScrutinizer | indeed - it's.... yeah what is SB? |
| 14:58.15 | javispedro | a glorified chroot... (you could argue about the armel/qemu-user part, but that one shows no UI at all) |
| 14:59.09 | DocScrutinizer | let's agree on calling it a daunting beast |
| 14:59.12 | javispedro | OMH |
| 14:59.14 | javispedro | OMG |
| 14:59.22 | MoonTiger | heh thnx :) |
| 14:59.27 | javispedro | Stskeeps breaks http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1017410 |
| 14:59.29 | javispedro | ;) |
| 14:59.37 | DocScrutinizer | eh? breaks what? |
| 14:59.42 | MoonTiger | btw the black death really sucked |
| 14:59.53 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
| 15:00.14 | DocScrutinizer | I think I *never* played pacman |
| 15:00.40 | DocScrutinizer | ooh, I now recall I did, once or twice |
| 15:00.42 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: I'd expect someone opening a "abill_uk sucks poll" thread, but I would have never expected .... Stskeeps to be the one opening it. |
| 15:00.53 | MoonTiger | i had a gf who *loved* miss pacman |
| 15:00.57 | DocScrutinizer | hahahahHAHAHAHAHAH |
| 15:01.01 | DocScrutinizer | COUGH |
| 15:01.16 | DocScrutinizer | clicks the link |
| 15:01.20 | MoonTiger | abill_uk ... i thought he was helpfull? |
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| 15:03.11 | MoonTiger | ohhh |
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| 15:04.44 | MohammadAG | lmfao @ Stskeeps's thread |
| 15:05.22 | ShadowJK | rofl |
| 15:05.40 | MoonTiger | shame man ... he is obviously not quite all there |
| 15:05.43 | javispedro | tbh, I find abill_uk funny but then again he has never directly criticized my stuff. I bet I would have called it a day much earlier if I was in stskeeps position :) |
| 15:05.45 | mer_ge | can I change the XMPP priority of my maemo "resource"? if not: what's the default priority of the N900's jabber resource? |
| 15:05.46 | ShadowJK | screw this voting shit though, need some dictator to just boot him :P |
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| 15:07.37 | javispedro | yeah, just boot him already. |
| 15:08.14 | dm8tbr | mer_ge: yes you can |
| 15:08.23 | dm8tbr | mer_ge: there's a hack for that |
| 15:09.00 | mer_ge | dm8tbr nice! could you point me to it? |
| 15:09.09 | dm8tbr | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2141#c16 |
| 15:09.11 | povbot | Bug 2141: Allow setting priority in Jabber/GTalk |
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| 15:11.19 | MoonTiger | does the CSSU fix some of the issues with modest btw? |
| 15:11.37 | cehteh | not enough :P |
| 15:11.45 | MoonTiger | *sigh* |
| 15:11.58 | MoonTiger | does it fix the "only get emails for the last x days" problem? |
| 15:12.06 | DocScrutinizer | reminds about abill_uk bitching against hostmode and "will never work unless you do the hw mods I did (which I'm not going to disclose to you)" |
| 15:12.27 | cehteh | lol |
| 15:12.56 | cehteh | which prolly was soldering a gender-changer adapter :P |
| 15:13.24 | DocScrutinizer | I'd not be surprised to find meriam-webster include abill as a swear word / insult |
| 15:13.34 | cehteh | well hostmode was really quite some work and took time right |
| 15:13.41 | MohammadAG | votes yes |
| 15:14.15 | MohammadAG | normally I wouldn't get involved, but 1) it's driving Stskeeps away, 2) abill_uk's first comment was ... stupid |
| 15:15.01 | DocScrutinizer | (bitching against hostmode) even worse, he did that when there already were first reports about successful hostmode in very same thread |
| 15:16.31 | cehteh | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:16.31 | cehteh | Hangup |
| 15:16.31 | cehteh | tset: unknown terminal type xterm |
| 15:16.31 | cehteh | Terminal type? rxvt |
| 15:16.31 | cehteh | tset: unknown terminal type rxvt |
| 15:16.35 | cehteh | grr |
| 15:16.50 | MohammadAG | there's fix for that, sec |
| 15:17.33 | cehteh | ah thanks |
| 15:17.39 | MohammadAG | see 2 http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/kb/article.php?id=454 |
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| 15:19.29 | cehteh | oh man .. ok :) |
| 15:19.38 | Macer | longest time without charge.. 2 days 9 hours haha |
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| 15:21.09 | Macer | 4000 days old? :) |
| 15:21.30 | Macer | my n900 was turned on 4166 days ago ? |
| 15:21.45 | Macer | was nokia holding out? |
| 15:21.55 | javispedro | uh? |
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| 15:25.19 | Macer | javispedro: battery eye |
| 15:25.34 | Macer | im jk |
| 15:25.46 | javispedro | trying to understand why stskeeps felt necessary a public thread. I bet a quick "ultimatum" from stskeeps to any TMO mod would have quickly resulted in abill_uk's gruesome death. |
| 15:25.52 | javispedro | Macer: ah :D |
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| 15:39.31 | DocScrutinizer | chem|st: PING |
| 15:40.45 | DocScrutinizer | Macer: RTC lost date |
| 15:41.18 | Macer | DocScrutinizer: yah |
| 15:41.40 | Macer | does the n900 have an interal battery for it? |
| 15:41.51 | DocScrutinizer | yes, a broken one |
| 15:42.01 | Macer | seems so |
| 15:42.10 | DocScrutinizer | known issue |
| 15:42.12 | Macer | does it recharge? |
| 15:42.20 | jacekowski | no |
| 15:42.27 | jacekowski | no need for that if it's operating correctly |
| 15:42.32 | jacekowski | but it's not in most cases |
| 15:42.37 | DocScrutinizer | I suggested fixes several times here, dunno if there's sth persistent |
| 15:42.57 | DocScrutinizer | Macer: the cell breaks and leaks |
| 15:43.00 | Macer | heh |
| 15:43.05 | Macer | awesome |
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| 15:43.40 | Macer | so every time my battery fully dies i lose time huh? |
| 15:43.47 | jacekowski | no |
| 15:43.57 | jacekowski | rtc has much lower voltage requrements |
| 15:44.01 | Macer | when i pull it? |
| 15:44.06 | jacekowski | yes |
| 15:44.11 | Macer | great heh |
| 15:44.13 | jacekowski | but only if you do it for more than couple seconds |
| 15:44.27 | javispedro | I am yet to be able to do a swap in less than such number of seconds ;) |
| 15:44.31 | Macer | hahahaha |
| 15:44.39 | Macer | me neither |
| 15:44.45 | DocScrutinizer | even broken bupbat does support RTC for some 10 seconds |
| 15:44.49 | Macer | then again i dont pull it too often |
| 15:44.59 | javispedro | well, I do -- to reset ;) |
| 15:45.07 | javispedro | ponders.. |
| 15:45.09 | Macer | reset? |
| 15:45.14 | javispedro | reboot |
| 15:45.22 | javispedro | after a kernel panic or the like |
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| 15:45.40 | Macer | kernel panic? good lord what are you doing? :) |
| 15:45.45 | DocScrutinizer | usually >8s of power button should work |
| 15:46.05 | DocScrutinizer | unless maemo kernel fsckd it up |
| 15:46.13 | javispedro | hm |
| 15:46.15 | Macer | >8s of power button? |
| 15:46.23 | Macer | to turn off? |
| 15:46.28 | javispedro | If N9 doesn't have user replaceable battery, I hope it has a reset hole or the like ;) |
| 15:46.30 | DocScrutinizer | it's a hw thing with the twl5030 PMU |
| 15:46.34 | javispedro | non-overridable ;) |
| 15:46.46 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: ooh it is |
| 15:47.12 | Macer | button battery? |
| 15:47.18 | DocScrutinizer | you 'just' have to send a keep-alive aka timer reset every few (<8) seconds |
| 15:47.24 | Macer | why nor just put a small rechargeable one? |
| 15:47.26 | DocScrutinizer | Macer: yes |
| 15:47.40 | DocScrutinizer | Macer: it is a LiIon |
| 15:47.40 | Macer | not |
| 15:47.45 | DocScrutinizer | that's the problem |
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| 15:48.03 | DocScrutinizer | those are known to break |
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| 15:48.12 | Macer | ah. ok. |
| 15:48.26 | Macer | ah well. then i just am stuck with a broken rtc i suppose |
| 15:48.52 | Macer | not big enough of a deal to rip my n900 apart and start soldering things onto it |
| 15:48.53 | DocScrutinizer | or replace the backup battery by a goldcap type |
| 15:49.00 | DocScrutinizer | ok |
| 15:49.04 | DocScrutinizer | fair enough |
| 15:49.11 | Macer | but the key pad... i need a new keypad |
| 15:49.16 | Macer | mine is faded |
| 15:49.29 | Macer | have a big lit white spot on my space key |
| 15:49.31 | DocScrutinizer | if you ever ponder, I can toss over a link to a better type of replacement cell |
| 15:49.54 | Macer | heh. i am not good at soldering |
| 15:49.58 | DocScrutinizer | Macer: that's also no uncommon problem |
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| 15:50.16 | Macer | i would have a glob of solder spill all over the place |
| 15:50.21 | DocScrutinizer | there are replacement keymats available - swapping is easy |
| 15:50.42 | Macer | is it? have a link to one with tools? |
| 15:51.45 | Macer | i was looking a while ago but all i could find is it with an entire housing |
| 15:52.00 | Macer | which i wouldnt mind getting in case i break the housing |
| 15:53.12 | Macer | bbl |
| 15:53.57 | hopbeat | anyone here has any experience with recording video from front-facing cam on n900? |
| 15:54.20 | hopbeat | cannto find the right settings with mencoder or gst-launch |
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| 16:01.13 | javispedro | the abill_uk debacle is not going to end well.... just ban him already and close the thread. |
| 16:02.46 | GAN900 | morning suckers |
| 16:03.24 | javispedro | morning GAN900 |
| 16:07.21 | merlin1991 | psycho_oreos: pong |
| 16:07.45 | psycho_oreos | merlin1991, power47 can be installed also if you install it from extras-devel |
| 16:08.07 | merlin1991 | sry I'm missing the context here |
| 16:09.04 | psycho_oreos | you were asking about titan's power kernel, you couldn't find tmo thread or something on it. I paste the link then but also found that the kernel is installable through extras-devel |
| 16:09.37 | merlin1991 | I needed the tmo thread because I needed the dev contact :) |
| 16:09.43 | merlin1991 | but thx |
| 16:09.56 | psycho_oreos | ahh ok |
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| 16:27.48 | lardman | waits for HAM to check updates..... |
| 16:30.40 | lcuk | waits for BACON to check updates..... |
| 16:31.00 | psycho_oreos | thinks someone is hungry :þ |
| 16:31.19 | merlin1991 | damn you lcuk, now I'm hungry |
| 16:34.03 | DocScrutinizer | Macer: sorry for delay (distracted by abill ;-P) here you are: http://www.thenokiaparts.com/eng/product_search.php http://www.saremi-mobilfunk.de/ |
| 16:34.06 | lardman | hmm, I don't like the way no work has been done on the zbar code in 19 months other than for iPhone branches |
| 16:38.17 | lardman | hmm, can't seem to find an open source Aztec barcode decoder, or even any kind of decoder for that matter |
| 16:39.22 | DocScrutinizer | http://www.thenokiaparts.com/eng/tuotteet/N900-spare-parts/n900-qwerty-keymat-scandinavian-265854 scandinavian only, other out of stock ---http://www.klc.fi/fin/tuotteet/Nokia-Varaosat-N900/N900-QWERTY-KEYMAT-ENGLISH-265740- --- http://www.saremi-mobilfunk.de/product_info.php/info/p4370_Original-Nokia-N900-Keypad-QWERTZ.html DEUTSCH --- http://www.saremi-mobilfunk.de/product_info.php/info/p4575_Original-Nokia-N900-Keypad-QWERTY--english-. |
| 16:39.24 | DocScrutinizer | html |
| 16:40.51 | DocScrutinizer | lo GAN900 |
| 16:42.59 | DocScrutinizer | chem|st: ping |
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| 16:50.32 | DocScrutinizer | btw it's awesome how http://talk.maemo.org/search.php?searchid=10381651&pp=25&page=20 is ending at march 11 2011, neglecting all the awesome stuff abill_uk posted last year |
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| 17:12.33 | javispedro | Texrat is a genius http://tabulacrypticum.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/users.png |
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| 17:20.48 | MohammadAG | that's Stskeeps's thread closed... |
| 17:21.57 | NIN101 | and so the story will continue. sad. |
| 17:26.20 | javispedro | even though both sides of the maemo vs meego war want him out =) |
| 17:28.05 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: pong |
| 17:28.27 | DocScrutinizer | chem|st: too late, texrat closed the thread :-P |
| 17:28.44 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: and so? |
| 17:29.06 | DocScrutinizer | so nothing left to do about it |
| 17:29.38 | dm8tbr | meh, forums, who needs those anyway... |
| 17:29.45 | chem|st | I ignore abill for dazs now as he is spamming mods with the "Report This" button... |
| 17:30.00 | DocScrutinizer | hahaha |
| 17:30.17 | javispedro | wtf |
| 17:30.30 | javispedro | seriously, why is preventing a click to the "fsck him" button? |
| 17:30.34 | javispedro | s/why/what |
| 17:30.37 | DocScrutinizer | look at http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=73535&page=6 you'll love it |
| 17:31.02 | cehteh | is there a 'ignore' on tmo? |
| 17:31.07 | chem|st | if he would be just a bit more grown up say 18+ it would be fine, but I don't want to spend my time on a 14yo little brat |
| 17:31.52 | MohammadAG | feels offended again :P |
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| 17:32.41 | javispedro | MohammadAG: do you consider yourself a 14yo little brat? |
| 17:32.58 | MohammadAG | no, but I'm not 18+ :p |
| 17:33.23 | chem|st | MohammadAG: but you are acting like 18+ that's a huge difference... |
| 17:33.42 | javispedro | and you're not a brat ; |
| 17:33.51 | chem|st | I have no idea how old abill is but from his behaviour he is no older than 14 |
| 17:34.10 | jacekowski | you don't look very old as well |
| 17:34.18 | chem|st | javispedro: specially not a fscked up brat |
| 17:34.34 | DocScrutinizer | from what he claims to do and be he's 40+ |
| 17:34.44 | javispedro | more like 400 |
| 17:35.11 | chem|st | on the forum pic I was about 25 |
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| 17:35.15 | MohammadAG | http://talk.maemo.org/modcp might help :P |
| 17:35.25 | javispedro | (talking about abill_uk) his skills include fleeting middle age battleships, so he has to be 800+ |
| 17:35.56 | chem|st | and at least 5 academical degrees |
| 17:36.12 | MohammadAG | has tmo considered a vbulletin upgrade to say, version 4 btw? |
| 17:36.26 | DocScrutinizer | dead from neck up |
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| 17:36.34 | MohammadAG | a vbulletin app would be interesting, and a REST API is built into version 4 |
| 17:36.37 | chem|st | MohammadAG: tmo gets upgraded like hurd is released |
| 17:38.03 | MohammadAG | chem|st, by the looks of it, we need maemo.org for Maemo 6, so I'd suggest an early upgrade before that's even announced |
| 17:38.04 | GAN900 | Not only closed but deleted? |
| 17:38.09 | GAN900 | Did I miss anything good? |
| 17:38.28 | javispedro | GAN900: Stskeeps snapping |
| 17:38.28 | MohammadAG | not deleted http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=73535 |
| 17:38.58 | chem|st | MohammadAG: I wait +1year now for getting access to the brainstorm backend to start making use of it |
| 17:40.39 | MohammadAG | chem|st, maybe reggie should pass administration to someone else? |
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| 17:42.38 | chem|st | MohammadAG: ehrm reggie is just maemo.org admin not the serveradmin |
| 17:42.49 | chem|st | afaik |
| 17:43.08 | javispedro | talk.maemo.org admin |
| 17:43.48 | chem|st | just moved all those meego stuff from community to meego, I am fed up with this meego droid shit all over the place... |
| 17:44.01 | chem|st | tmo is not nitdroid nor meego... |
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| 17:44.34 | chem|st | javispedro: or even that |
| 17:45.00 | merlin1991 | huh? |
| 17:45.02 | Necc | i need a little help pls: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4469013/temp/shortperiod/Screenshot-20110528-194139.png -> where/how can i customize the strenght of each step of the brightness? |
| 17:45.39 | MohammadAG | chem|st, Maemo 6 belongs on maemo.org |
| 17:46.06 | MohammadAG | Necc, it's an mce thing afaik |
| 17:46.23 | Necc | i read the while mce.ini and i didn't found it |
| 17:46.28 | Necc | *whole |
| 17:46.48 | DocScrutinizer | GOLDEN :-D http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=640720#post640720 |
| 17:46.50 | lardman | re TMO what's the deal with becoming an admin on the forum? I used to be one, but my privs were revoked and despite asking why never any answer |
| 17:47.24 | DocScrutinizer | Necc: there's no way |
| 17:47.36 | DocScrutinizer | it's hardcoded |
| 17:47.41 | DocScrutinizer | for all I know |
| 17:47.44 | Necc | yay._. |
| 17:47.59 | DocScrutinizer | yeah :-/ |
| 17:48.19 | DocScrutinizer | mce - one of my favourite targets at shooting range |
| 17:48.32 | MohammadAG | hmm, so the N900's display is a sony |
| 17:48.42 | Necc | and it is possible to make the screen brightness to 100% by one touch? my only problem is even if i set the brightness to maximum, i still can not see/read what's on the screen |
| 17:48.54 | Necc | MohammadAG, yes |
| 17:49.02 | DocScrutinizer | Necc: that's odd |
| 17:49.17 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, what's a "CABC" |
| 17:49.28 | DocScrutinizer | eh? |
| 17:49.35 | DocScrutinizer | an ETLA? |
| 17:49.47 | DocScrutinizer | a new drug? |
| 17:49.51 | DocScrutinizer | nfc |
| 17:49.57 | DocScrutinizer | context please |
| 17:51.41 | chem|st | MohammadAG: not talking about m6 I talk about all that tablet netbook meegoDE shit |
| 17:51.50 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, display |
| 17:51.57 | MohammadAG | it says Sony acxwhatever with CABC |
| 17:52.04 | chem|st | the threads spreading like chicken on crack |
| 17:52.06 | DocScrutinizer | umm |
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| 17:52.36 | DocScrutinizer | I seem to recall something about automatic backlight control |
| 17:52.47 | MohammadAG | chem|st, well, the whole point was to upgrade to vBulletin version 4 |
| 17:52.58 | MohammadAG | I'd love (to make?) a forum app |
| 17:53.06 | MohammadAG | whether it's on maemo 5 or 6 |
| 17:53.36 | javispedro | a forum app? so that abill_uk can troll tmo on the go??? |
| 17:53.39 | javispedro | I'm sold! |
| 17:54.00 | javispedro | ( ;) ) |
| 17:54.01 | DocScrutinizer | LOL |
| 17:54.17 | DocScrutinizer | LMAO |
| 17:54.21 | MohammadAG | javispedro, if (user == " |
| 17:54.26 | MohammadAG | damn enter |
| 17:54.42 | MohammadAG | if (user == "abill_uk"), qFatal(1); |
| 17:54.43 | javispedro | now thing something funny to put inside the braces |
| 17:54.56 | chem|st | MohammadAG: mailinglist, council? I have no clue who actualy has access to the servers |
| 17:54.58 | DocScrutinizer | damn, that's patented for h-e-n ;-P |
| 17:55.05 | javispedro | like if (abill_uk) { connect_with_Eliza_ChatBot() } |
| 17:55.21 | MohammadAG | meatspins are old eh? |
| 17:55.35 | MohammadAG | chem|st, I think it's the admin |
| 17:55.47 | chem|st | but who is? |
| 17:56.00 | MohammadAG | Reggie |
| 17:56.09 | MohammadAG | forum admin, not server admin |
| 17:56.15 | MohammadAG | not sure though, I'll check |
| 17:56.31 | chem|st | MohammadAG: can vbulletin be upgraded from within? |
| 17:56.41 | MohammadAG | that's what I'm checking |
| 17:56.47 | MohammadAG | (I know wordpress can...) |
| 17:56.54 | chem|st | I doubt it... |
| 17:57.10 | chem|st | but reggie knows who to talk with |
| 17:57.59 | MohammadAG | you're right |
| 17:58.11 | MohammadAG | he needs to have FTP access |
| 17:58.22 | MohammadAG | or ssh etc |
| 17:58.24 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: |
| 17:58.25 | DocScrutinizer | IroN900:/sys/class/backlight/acx565akm# cat cabc_available_modes |
| 17:58.27 | DocScrutinizer | off ui still-image moving-image |
| 17:58.45 | javispedro | sounds like adaptative brightness/contrast? |
| 17:58.50 | DocScrutinizer | it is |
| 17:59.31 | javispedro | google says CABC = Content Adaptative Brightness Control |
| 17:59.38 | DocScrutinizer | onders idly if mediaplayer is setiing it accordingly |
| 18:00.03 | MohammadAG | why should it? |
| 18:00.16 | DocScrutinizer | IroN900:/sys/class/backlight/acx565akm# cat cabc_mode |
| 18:00.17 | DocScrutinizer | off |
| 18:00.26 | MohammadAG | wow |
| 18:00.30 | MohammadAG | an upgrade is $170 |
| 18:00.38 | MohammadAG | is that within maemo.org's budget? |
| 18:01.19 | javispedro | sounds actually cheap, is that the correct license? |
| 18:01.26 | DocScrutinizer | now if I wasn't THAT lazy, I'd move over to the other room and start some video playback on N900 |
| 18:02.07 | MohammadAG | javispedro, classic forum |
| 18:02.35 | DocScrutinizer | for movie playback cabc_mode = moving-image could reduce battery consumption and give better picture |
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| 18:03.15 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: mine is on "moving-image" |
| 18:03.22 | DocScrutinizer | o.O |
| 18:03.25 | javispedro | _always_ |
| 18:03.32 | DocScrutinizer | wtf?! |
| 18:03.52 | MohammadAG | same |
| 18:04.03 | DocScrutinizer | so what happened to mine? |
| 18:04.33 | chem|st | MohammadAG: budget... I guess so |
| 18:04.35 | DocScrutinizer | I might have twiddled with it some months ago, but I don't think this thing should be persistent across powercycling? |
| 18:04.40 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: I bet it might have something to do with the power saving options in the screen control panel applet? |
| 18:04.46 | MohammadAG | disabling power saving mode sets it to off |
| 18:04.56 | javispedro | yep |
| 18:04.57 | biston | hey MohammadAG. good evening |
| 18:04.57 | javispedro | confirming. |
| 18:04.59 | DocScrutinizer | DUH |
| 18:05.13 | DocScrutinizer | good find, excellent |
| 18:05.22 | merlin1991 | mine is moving-image even though I'm just on plain desktop |
| 18:05.41 | javispedro | actually prefers moving-image, probably because I'm used to it... |
| 18:05.45 | DocScrutinizer | always wondered what that powersavingsmode might be |
| 18:05.53 | MohammadAG | I'm lagging like shit on my laptop... |
| 18:05.57 | MohammadAG | hey biston |
| 18:06.12 | biston | i just have a quick question. Today I got in some trouble with my boss because my N900 doesn't freakn display the number from which my contact is calling from, just the contact name is displayed. is there a solution for that? |
| 18:06.15 | DocScrutinizer | thanks chaps |
| 18:06.16 | MohammadAG | I was reading mce's code, got bored at line 1500 |
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| 18:06.41 | MohammadAG | biston, slide2answer shows the number |
| 18:06.48 | MohammadAG | there's no way to modify the stock dialog |
| 18:07.13 | biston | oh okay, coz i installed it a long time ago, it had a really bad display on my phone. i couldn't even understand where to slide to lol |
| 18:07.17 | cehteh | closed source ftw \o/ |
| 18:07.20 | biston | i'll try the updated version. thanks |
| 18:07.27 | MohammadAG | someone may be able to show a yellow banner until the call's answered/rejected, but not exactly a C person |
| 18:07.28 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: more interesting: have you found out if the "FOSS" mci is compatible to ours? |
| 18:07.43 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, modules probably are |
| 18:07.54 | MohammadAG | mce itself, debian/control states a minimum of 2.6.32 |
| 18:07.55 | Itschuee | does anyone nows something about the fact that the game angry birds can see my privat date like contacts |
| 18:08.11 | DocScrutinizer | ouch |
| 18:08.28 | biston | MohammadAG 0.1.5 is the latest ? |
| 18:08.44 | javispedro | grabs popcorn |
| 18:08.51 | MohammadAG | lulz |
| 18:08.51 | MohammadAG | /opt/rovio/angrybirds/data/scripts/iphonelite/achievements.lua |
| 18:08.51 | MohammadAG | /opt/rovio/angrybirds/data/scripts/iphonelite/leaderboards.lua |
| 18:09.01 | MohammadAG | biston, think so, I no longer maintain it |
| 18:09.01 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: which channel? ;-D |
| 18:09.10 | Itschuee | is it possible to deactivate this? |
| 18:09.21 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: this one actually. wait and see. |
| 18:09.26 | biston | oh, who does now MohammadAG? |
| 18:09.34 | MohammadAG | I only provided the concept in Qt (slow) based on javispedro's HILDON_STACKING_LAYER finding |
| 18:09.35 | MohammadAG | nicolai rewrote it in Gtk (epic quick) |
| 18:09.46 | DocScrutinizer | Itschuee: deactivate what? |
| 18:10.10 | javispedro | application isolation in maemo is non-existant |
| 18:10.16 | Itschuee | that angry birds cant see or in worst case use my private data like contacts |
| 18:10.30 | javispedro | if angry birds for some reason is reading your contacts, there's nothing to stop it from doing so. |
| 18:10.45 | javispedro | now the reason I grabbed popcorn is becase we're going to appear in all tech news if rovio has decided to do so. |
| 18:10.45 | MohammadAG | Nokia-N900:~# cat /opt/rovio/angrybirds/bin/powervr.ini |
| 18:10.45 | MohammadAG | [angrybirds] |
| 18:10.45 | MohammadAG | ForceExternalZBuffer=0 |
| 18:10.47 | MohammadAG | wtf? |
| 18:10.56 | MohammadAG | biston, nicolai I think |
| 18:11.02 | Itschuee | and can stop it that these informations öleave my phone |
| 18:11.03 | GAN900 | I know we might not be having a fall conference |
| 18:11.22 | GAN900 | but I'd like everyone here to start planning on being there if we do. |
| 18:11.26 | javispedro | GAN900: we misbehaved in SF, what with proposing jaffa for tsg et all? |
| 18:11.37 | javispedro | and they banned us from future meegoconfs? =) |
| 18:11.42 | biston | hmm, no silence button |
| 18:11.56 | MohammadAG | biston, indeed, I just flip the phone |
| 18:12.03 | GAN900 | javispedro, well, MeeGo being on the slippery slope to irrelevancy. |
| 18:12.04 | MohammadAG | but I miss that as well |
| 18:12.06 | DocScrutinizer | (<MohammadAG> someone may be able to show a yellow banner) no but a shellscripter aware of python scripting and dbus-send may do, in a five minutes |
| 18:12.11 | javispedro | Itschuee: for curiosity, how do you know angry brids reads contacts? |
| 18:12.30 | biston | i can't flip the phone if i'm taking it out of my pocket and returning it lol |
| 18:12.38 | MohammadAG | won't there be any maemo summits? with harmattan and all? |
| 18:12.40 | biston | people would look @ me as crazy |
| 18:12.41 | Itschuee | my friend tells me that he saw it on tv |
| 18:13.09 | GAN900 | MohammadAG, dunno. Seems unlikely what with WP7 and all. |
| 18:13.53 | javispedro | Itschuee: ah, they saw that happening on Android and iPhone. Maemo is different (so far); they do not care about our geek contacts... |
| 18:13.53 | NIN101 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1017559#post1017559 lol |
| 18:14.15 | GAN900 | So, is abill banned? |
| 18:14.31 | DocScrutinizer | quite prolly not |
| 18:14.51 | MohammadAG | Itschuee, who told you about the contacts thing? |
| 18:15.05 | MohammadAG | cause I can't find any reference to osso or book (abook) in the binary |
| 18:15.11 | Itschuee | ok have i understood it right angry birds cant under memo see my private things and us it? |
| 18:15.25 | javispedro | Itschuee: the answer is "it can, but we believe it doesn't". |
| 18:15.28 | nid0 | quite the opposite |
| 18:16.17 | Itschuee | is it possbile to cheeck this? |
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| 18:16.48 | MohammadAG | string the binary, no references to osso-abook |
| 18:16.53 | MohammadAG | (contacts API) |
| 18:17.03 | javispedro | not with a 100% degree of certainity, but with a 99%. |
| 18:17.16 | MohammadAG | .9 |
| 18:17.26 | javispedro | MohammadAG: e.g you should grep for sqlite, filenames, etc. it could even be building the filename character per character. |
| 18:17.38 | GAN900 | I disagree with Stskeeps about the transparency claim |
| 18:17.47 | javispedro | MohammadAG: that's what you get with propietary software... |
| 18:17.48 | MohammadAG | transparency? |
| 18:17.50 | GAN900 | Stuff like this should generally be handled privately first. |
| 18:18.03 | GAN900 | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1017452&postcount=25 |
| 18:18.09 | javispedro | GAN900: I agree with you here, no idea why he decided to snap publicly |
| 18:18.14 | MohammadAG | javispedro, already checked about .db |
| 18:18.56 | javispedro | omg abill_uk is retarded or what |
| 18:19.09 | javispedro | if I where him I would have gone completely silent for a few days |
| 18:19.10 | MohammadAG | tell me he started a poll to ban Sts |
| 18:19.25 | javispedro | na, I just read the message NIN101 quoted |
| 18:20.12 | xd13 | its shit like this that makes me love my n900 and hate a lot of phones http://news.cnet.com/8301-27080_3-20066266-245.html |
| 18:20.53 | MohammadAG | lol he really thinks Nokia's gonna look at his poll |
| 18:21.07 | xd13 | no they're not |
| 18:22.01 | alterego | GAN900: did you get home alright? |
| 18:22.24 | GAN900 | alterego, still in CA |
| 18:22.24 | GAN900 | Flying back tomorrow. |
| 18:22.43 | alterego | Ah, cool, much other attendees still about? |
| 18:23.06 | GAN900 | In Capitola with family |
| 18:23.06 | GAN900 | Dunno |
| 18:23.36 | alterego | Ah, m'kay |
| 18:23.51 | alterego | I'm somewhat unsuccessfully trying to install the wetab os on my exo |
| 18:24.07 | alterego | Seems my rescue image is broken, so I'm downloading the torrent again .. |
| 18:24.09 | achipa | lardman: I'm about... if the matter is still actual |
| 18:25.46 | javispedro | when will Jaffa start his campaign for TSG presidency? ;) |
| 18:26.04 | alterego | Jaffa4TSG |
| 18:26.12 | lardman | achipa: ah yes, was wondering about your talk with Quim re Harmattan |
| 18:26.13 | alterego | Or abill_uk4TSG? |
| 18:26.36 | javispedro | maybe if Nokians don't want to board the sinking Meego ship he can steer it to Finland and either crash it or dock it there. |
| 18:27.23 | achipa | lardman: ... |
| 18:27.54 | alterego | Heh |
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| 18:29.14 | javispedro | alterego: you know what would abill_uk's first move be, open a poll where he says "Who should MeeGo merge with?" "iOS" "Android". |
| 18:29.22 | javispedro | and you'd be able to vote both. |
| 18:29.48 | alterego | Hah |
| 18:30.58 | GAN900 | achipa, milking that visa for all its worth? :P |
| 18:31.04 | GAN900 | achipa, how's that Nook? |
| 18:31.45 | MohammadAG | GAN900, where's the next conference going to be? |
| 18:32.07 | GAN900 | MohammadAG, no plans that I've heard about |
| 18:32.17 | lardman | achipa: apparently you guys were going to report on it, according to the post in forum.meego.com? |
| 18:32.18 | alterego | MohammadAG: not even planned yet |
| 18:32.23 | alterego | And probably not until next year |
| 18:32.41 | MohammadAG | what the... |
| 18:32.43 | achipa | GAN900: oh, I'm back in .fi since yesterday :) the nook is just fine, the firmware (as predicted) didn't live to see one full day, now playing with a gingerbread build + necessitas, and next week it's meego time ! |
| 18:32.44 | MohammadAG | I thought there'd be one in november |
| 18:32.55 | wmarone | wait, did achipa buy a nook color too? |
| 18:32.56 | lardman | MohammadAG: yeah we need to know some dates for the next conf for the diary, please :) |
| 18:32.57 | wmarone | nice |
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| 18:33.15 | alterego | Heh |
| 18:33.23 | javispedro | nook color? |
| 18:33.28 | MohammadAG | lardman, no, but the government doesn't like giving visas quick here :p |
| 18:33.34 | GAN900 | achipa, ah, right. Mixed threads there. |
| 18:33.45 | MohammadAG | that's why I missed November's con |
| 18:34.05 | GAN900 | achipa, let me know when you get MeeGo up. Mine is currently drawer fodder. |
| 18:34.16 | GAN900 | wmarone, have fun at the conf? |
| 18:34.23 | wmarone | javispedro: yes, barnes & noble's android-based tablet. OMAP3621 based system. |
| 18:34.25 | javispedro | why is the nook color so damn poopular? |
| 18:34.29 | javispedro | webos guys the same. |
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| 18:34.51 | GAN900 | javispedro, bigger, faster N900 for $200? |
| 18:35.06 | GAN900 | Good MeeGo target |
| 18:35.14 | wmarone | GAN900: yes, quite fun. |
| 18:35.19 | MohammadAG | I thought the screen was ebook-style? |
| 18:35.21 | wmarone | heh |
| 18:35.26 | MohammadAG | low refresh rate and such |
| 18:35.26 | achipa | javispedro: OMAP3 + 512MB RAM + 8G flash + (good) 7" color + SD slot |
| 18:35.27 | GAN900 | Nook Color |
| 18:35.28 | wmarone | that's the regular nook, and the newer nook |
| 18:35.30 | GAN900 | Not Nook. |
| 18:35.44 | wmarone | the NC has an IPS panel similar to the BB Playbook/Galaxy Tab |
| 18:35.57 | wmarone | so it looks good from an angle |
| 18:35.59 | achipa | yeah, very nice display... |
| 18:36.04 | javispedro | how does it look outside? |
| 18:36.08 | javispedro | on the outsides; I mean? |
| 18:36.16 | MohammadAG | 249 bucks, that's actually cheap |
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| 18:36.46 | GAN900 | javispedro, build is a bit cheapy |
| 18:36.50 | GAN900 | Buttons are shit |
| 18:36.53 | GAN900 | But, meh |
| 18:36.53 | javispedro | and capacitive screen |
| 18:36.55 | GAN900 | $200 |
| 18:36.56 | javispedro | I bet. |
| 18:37.05 | lardman | MohammadAG: I just need to arrange work around it |
| 18:37.07 | achipa | yes, buttons are shit, but who uses button anyways :) |
| 18:37.07 | wmarone | two touch capacitive screen |
| 18:37.12 | GAN900 | I really want FBReader sync |
| 18:37.35 | DocScrutinizer | I wonder if anybody on that disclose-the-source poll thread had ever heard about recent efforts about this that started here |
| 18:37.35 | wmarone | achipa: Stskeeps also picked one up, and I've wandered a bit into the disaster of a kernel it comes with |
| 18:38.10 | DocScrutinizer | also wondering what's been the result of the talk of Jaffa(?) with Nokians about all that? |
| 18:38.19 | achipa | wmarone: I don't know what it comes with... I booted the original fw, said, okay, it's such a shame people do this to good HW and nuked it :) |
| 18:38.28 | wmarone | achipa: yeah, did the same |
| 18:38.44 | wmarone | the original version came with linux 2.6.29, the most recent update brought it forward to 2.6.32 |
| 18:38.59 | wmarone | I should document how I created my MeeGo SD card for it... |
| 18:39.19 | achipa | yes, do that |
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| 18:40.12 | DocScrutinizer | anyway this whole poll thread is a complete deja-vu |
| 18:40.48 | MohammadAG | achipa, wmarone any ideas if the USB port supports OTG? |
| 18:40.51 | DocScrutinizer | definitely NO new point in there |
| 18:41.01 | javispedro | watches MohammadAG being sold on the nook too |
| 18:41.15 | wmarone | MohammadAG: my understanding is that it does, but it's still WIP by the Android teams |
| 18:41.28 | wmarone | it also supports bluetooth, but there's thinking that it's not completely hooked up |
| 18:41.51 | MohammadAG | I was wondering if you could attach a 3G modem to it |
| 18:41.56 | MohammadAG | javispedro, not yet :p |
| 18:42.14 | DocScrutinizer | just wonders what's been the nick of the guy... jonwill? |
| 18:42.19 | javispedro | jownil |
| 18:42.21 | javispedro | ~seen jonwil |
| 18:42.33 | infobot | jonwil <~jonwil@27-33-137-199.static.tpgi.com.au> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 25d 5h 18m 46s ago, saying: 'But that's a question for #meego-arm really :P'. |
| 18:42.33 | javispedro | ~ping |
| 18:42.33 | infobot | ~pong |
| 18:43.03 | DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: any news about that? |
| 18:43.15 | javispedro | and you complain about my absences! /me hides |
| 18:43.44 | MohammadAG | javispedro, you disappeared for 3 months straight last year |
| 18:43.56 | MohammadAG | you know, when hostmode actually gained momentum :p |
| 18:46.13 | xd13 | if i don't OC and don't rly need ipv6 any good reason to get kernel power ? |
| 18:46.34 | DocScrutinizer | xd13: a dozen |
| 18:46.48 | xd13 | rly |
| 18:46.51 | DocScrutinizer | dunno if any of those applies to you though |
| 18:47.21 | xd13 | any chance u could tell them to me, i've read the faq on it nothing rly intriguing that i've seen |
| 18:47.24 | kerio | xd13: wifi connection sharing |
| 18:47.30 | kerio | also you tend to overuse "really" |
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| 18:47.33 | DocScrutinizer | actually OC is the only invalid reason to get PK |
| 18:47.40 | kerio | i suppose that's the reason for your constant shortening |
| 18:47.43 | javispedro | doesn't use PK |
| 18:47.49 | RiD | Hi everyone :) |
| 18:48.05 | everyone | RiD: omg you're the only one that noticed me! hi! |
| 18:48.10 | javispedro | goodbye every |
| 18:48.17 | RiD | lol |
| 18:48.19 | MohammadAG | tab win |
| 18:48.20 | javispedro | damn, you just renamed when I was about to hit tab. |
| 18:48.38 | kerio | goodbye everytab? |
| 18:48.50 | RiD | He just said Hi |
| 18:48.52 | RiD | and rage quitted =( |
| 18:49.31 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 18:49.35 | RiD | Sorry about bothering, I'm sure you have more to do than helping n00bs, but I've got an issue. |
| 18:49.37 | GAN900 | javispedro is pro at dropping off the planet. :P |
| 18:49.41 | DocScrutinizer | /whowas is a great command |
| 18:49.53 | RiD | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:49.57 | alterego | Yay, the install got past 27% ;) |
| 18:49.58 | MohammadAG | /whowas sucks, /gline ftw |
| 18:50.14 | MohammadAG | I need a private IRC server to try /gline *@* |
| 18:50.51 | RiD | Ehm.. my N900 freezes everytime when I'm messing with the widgets (moving, adding, removing) |
| 18:51.14 | RiD | Probably related to some widgets, but I haven't added anything new |
| 18:51.34 | javispedro | aaaaaaaaargh I thanked a post abill_uk also thanked!!!!!! |
| 18:51.36 | javispedro | washes |
| 18:51.53 | xd13 | def shouldn't freeze. my n900 runs stable 4ever |
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| 18:52.06 | javispedro | RiD: have you rebooted already? |
| 18:52.13 | RiD | Yep |
| 18:52.17 | RiD | Rebooted around 20 times, LOL |
| 18:52.31 | MohammadAG | do you have the HWSync thing set to 1? |
| 18:53.03 | RiD | MohammadAG: I had before (before messing with the widgets) but it's been 0 for some time |
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| 18:54.19 | RiD | MohammadAG: I'm using modded transitions (adjusted them to my style) but that shouldn't crash hildon-home, I guess. |
| 18:54.36 | javispedro | what's up with zehjotkah? http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1017565&postcount=3059 |
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| 18:55.26 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: pah, I thanked a post of abill_uk ;-P |
| 18:55.28 | RiD | javispedro: Nokia is probably using a brain waves detector and decryptor so we can just think in what to type and it will appear on the phone! tadaaa! |
| 18:55.46 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: I'm not sure I can share an irc channel with you any longer... |
| 18:55.54 | RiD | javispedro: Imagine using it to decrypt other people's thoughts |
| 18:56.37 | javispedro | RiD: that's not patented. |
| 18:56.42 | javispedro | well, it might be... who knows. |
| 18:56.45 | SpeedEvil | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voice_stress_analysis |
| 18:56.52 | SpeedEvil | Big meter on inbound call. |
| 18:57.16 | RiD | javispedro: I myself patented it. |
| 18:57.44 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: your excuse is abill didn't understand what he thanked, mine is he doesn't know what he writes |
| 18:57.48 | RiD | So I'll sue Nokia for using my technology |
| 18:58.05 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: haha, good point. |
| 18:58.16 | Venemo | I don't understand why you guys don't just ban abill from TMO |
| 18:58.24 | Venemo | he is an obvious idiot |
| 18:58.32 | javispedro | ^^^who is "you" in that sentence is a good question. |
| 18:58.58 | Venemo | anyone who can actually do it |
| 18:59.19 | javispedro | I mean, if that "you"=I, and the guy who was about to be banned was, let's say, pupnik, after another global new order story, I'd hesitate. |
| 18:59.21 | DocScrutinizer | seems there's just nobody around |
| 18:59.27 | SpeedEvil | Doesn't that include anyone with a sack, a shovel, and a large cucumber? |
| 18:59.31 | RiD | By the way, I've read on the forums that ".desktop_cmd_exec," was the issue for a guy that had the same (or very similar) problem of me. |
| 18:59.42 | javispedro | however, who from this channel would hesitate to ban abill_uk? |
| 18:59.51 | RiD | Me |
| 19:00.12 | RiD | I'll hesitate between normal ban and banhammer :( |
| 19:00.13 | MohammadAG | me, you never want to screw with an engineer |
| 19:00.13 | MohammadAG | just ask DocScrutinizer! |
| 19:00.28 | DocScrutinizer | meh XD |
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| 19:01.09 | RiD | So errm.. anyone knows something about ".desktop_cmd_exec," ? |
| 19:01.18 | MohammadAG | javispedro, not sure, but it looks interesting (re zehjotkah) |
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| 19:01.28 | DocScrutinizer | a shame the thread got close before I got my edit of my last post thru |
| 19:01.50 | javispedro | RiD: do you have "desktop command execution" widget installed? |
| 19:02.01 | RiD | javispedro: Oh.. no |
| 19:02.21 | javispedro | nothing specific about that file then.. |
| 19:02.31 | DocScrutinizer | if that's afile |
| 19:02.33 | RiD | javispedro: So far the only ones installed are the cutetube-QML widget, Oculo, TVBGone and USSD Widget |
| 19:02.39 | alterego | Yay wetab os :) |
| 19:02.45 | DocScrutinizer | :-P |
| 19:02.54 | RiD | javispedro: and recaller. All of them were working fine |
| 19:03.23 | DocScrutinizer | RiD: screw USSD widget, useless cruft |
| 19:04.15 | javispedro | alterego: that one looked cool. |
| 19:04.30 | RiD | DocScrutinizer: Lol it is usefull for me, It shows the money i have on the phone lol |
| 19:04.49 | alterego | javispedro: yeah, I want to try something stable in a tablet form factor to get ideas about how the platform may evolve |
| 19:05.00 | alterego | Personally my thought is the tablet market will die in about 3 years |
| 19:05.03 | DocScrutinizer | err I do that by dialing a 'contact' that has 'numer' *101# |
| 19:05.06 | alterego | And handsets will prevail |
| 19:05.36 | RiD | DocScrutinizer: Well i prefer to have it auto updating every 2 hours, but everyone has it's own likes and dislikes |
| 19:05.47 | DocScrutinizer | fair enough |
| 19:06.10 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, speaking of USSD, I forgot the divert code |
| 19:06.17 | MohammadAG | is it *22#? |
| 19:06.18 | javispedro | on my carrier checking card balance is not free. |
| 19:06.26 | javispedro | I hate them. |
| 19:06.27 | RiD | javispedro: You serious? |
| 19:06.27 | RiD | The pain is that I can't seem to edit the desktop for long - It always ends up crashing me |
| 19:06.31 | DocScrutinizer | err *61# etc |
| 19:06.40 | javispedro | RiD: deadly serious. |
| 19:06.41 | DocScrutinizer | *62# *67# |
| 19:06.51 | DocScrutinizer | iirc |
| 19:06.55 | MohammadAG | javispedro, what if you have 0 balance? do they charge you when you charge the balance later? |
| 19:06.59 | RiD | javispedro: Damn, Vodafone steals us here... but at least we can check the card balance for free lol |
| 19:07.11 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, what about adding an unconditional divert? |
| 19:07.12 | cehteh | javispedro: lolwut .. thats insane |
| 19:07.18 | RiD | I have 0.09â¬... since December 2010 |
| 19:07.18 | MohammadAG | *XX*number# |
| 19:07.18 | cehteh | (and illegal in germany i think) |
| 19:07.22 | javispedro | MohammadAG: yes. They proceed to "loan" 2⬠to you. |
| 19:07.32 | DocScrutinizer | unconditional might indeed be 21 or 22 or sth |
| 19:07.49 | MohammadAG | javispedro, LOL |
| 19:08.15 | javispedro | on the good side, they do send free low-balance warnings. |
| 19:08.24 | MohammadAG | javispedro, what if you keep doing that? |
| 19:08.25 | RiD | javispedro: that remembers me iPhone, for some reason |
| 19:08.26 | javispedro | as short messages, not ussd stuff. |
| 19:08.27 | cehteh | haha "Give us more money"? :) |
| 19:08.46 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: http://maemo.org/packages/view/starhash-enabler/ |
| 19:08.48 | MohammadAG | do you keep on getting 2 euros till they run out? |
| 19:08.56 | javispedro | MohammadAG: nope. 2 euros max. |
| 19:09.04 | cehteh | mhm is it possible to withdraw money from skype? |
| 19:09.12 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, ty |
| 19:09.20 | MohammadAG | javispedro, and if you try to check after those? |
| 19:09.26 | cehteh | thinks he will never use the remaining 7 eurs up there |
| 19:09.26 | MohammadAG | cehteh, no |
| 19:09.27 | javispedro | MohammadAG: good question :) |
| 19:09.38 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: yw |
| 19:09.51 | MohammadAG | cehteh, 7 bucks here, same |
| 19:10.21 | MohammadAG | anyone up for making a FOSS voip service? |
| 19:10.25 | cehteh | i used like 3 eur in 1.5 years |
| 19:10.47 | MohammadAG | slams head into keyboard, I shouldn't be thinking that |
| 19:10.51 | cehteh | MohammadAG: peer to peer asterisk .. anyone delays a few calls to landlines in his country |
| 19:11.09 | cehteh | sip in the front |
| 19:11.13 | javispedro | MohammadAG: Gnu FreePhone (or whtvr is called) |
| 19:11.27 | cehteh | the problem is only how to reach people outside of the internet |
| 19:11.30 | javispedro | "Gnu Free Call" |
| 19:11.39 | javispedro | from the FSF not less. |
| 19:11.52 | cehteh | cool |
| 19:12.01 | cehteh | port that to the n900 |
| 19:12.35 | cehteh | MohammadAG: you are bored? :) |
| 19:12.57 | MohammadAG | cehteh, maybe |
| 19:12.58 | RiD | Errm... besides flashing my phone to resolve the freezing issue, is there any thing i should do? Because reflashing only to fix that (damn) issue is a bit too much :( |
| 19:13.31 | cehteh | RiD: figure out why it freezes then you can fix it |
| 19:13.39 | cehteh | some app maybe? |
| 19:13.44 | cehteh | widget? |
| 19:13.52 | cehteh | deinstall anything you dont need |
| 19:14.24 | cehteh | overclocked? |
| 19:14.51 | RiD | cehteh: Yes, but crashes on default settings too |
| 19:15.10 | RiD | cehteh: I do have a lot of libqtm's |
| 19:15.22 | chem|st | RiD: get RiD of OC and come back later! |
| 19:15.26 | cehteh | did it that before you firstly overclocked it too? |
| 19:15.47 | cehteh | if not, they you may have fried your phone |
| 19:16.23 | cehteh | (or undervolting too much .. do you use stock settings when you dont overclock?) |
| 19:16.45 | RiD | cehteh: I have always been running overclocked (500 min and 700 max) and it didn't freeze me when i edited widgets |
| 19:17.11 | RiD | cehteh: I do switch between profiles a lot, only overclock to run webOS games |
| 19:17.12 | cehteh | overclocks a little bit too and only 250/500/750 Mhz ... but i wont complain if its broken because of that |
| 19:17.19 | chem|st | RiD: sounds that you fried your cpu! 500 min are you crazy? |
| 19:17.40 | cehteh | 500min is ok and within the specs |
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| 19:18.05 | chem|st | cehteh: running 95% 500MHz is not within the specs |
| 19:18.05 | RiD | chem|st: Well, it doesn't sound insane lol |
| 19:18.17 | cehteh | iirc thats ok |
| 19:18.41 | RiD | chem|st: AFAIK, the cpu sleeps when the phone is not in use... so the 500Mhz min wouldn't make difference when I'm not using it |
| 19:18.46 | cehteh | anyways overclocking will eventually fry it or already did .. no one knows :) |
| 19:19.11 | cehteh | overclocking for games is explicitly bad because you then run the cpu at full speed for extended time periods |
| 19:19.24 | RiD | cehteh: Yes indeed |
| 19:19.35 | kerio | cehteh: it doesn't make it any less sane, but if you have the money to spend (on new n900s) why not? |
| 19:19.42 | RiD | but the phone only freezes when editing the widgets |
| 19:20.01 | chem|st | then don't edit widgets o_O |
| 19:20.05 | kerio | lol |
| 19:20.13 | kerio | RiD: do you have some logs somewhere? |
| 19:20.15 | cehteh | anyways .. i found out that my DSP didnt liked the aggressive undervolting at 250 mhz, the cpu worked fine but dsp just gone out for lunch |
| 19:20.23 | DocScrutinizer | ([2011-05-28 21:10:21] <MohammadAG> anyone up for making a FOSS voip service?) I think most SIP providers use FOSS servers and most of the related infra |
| 19:20.42 | kerio | MohammadAG: i'd do it but i hate talking to people |
| 19:20.45 | kerio | and i hate people in general |
| 19:20.58 | RiD | kerio: I guess not? lol |
| 19:21.15 | kerio | RiD: i'd disable the OC and try again |
| 19:21.33 | kerio | if it persists, and you can't trace it to a software problem, try testing the CPU |
| 19:21.38 | RiD | kerio: As i said before, it crashes me on stock settings |
| 19:21.49 | RiD | kerio: Only when editing the widgets, though. |
| 19:21.52 | cehteh | RiD: and disable undervolting too .. thats not just reduce the highest freq .. disable the OC stuff completely |
| 19:21.59 | Jaffa | javispedro: Sorry, was watching Doctor Who. Campaign investigation committee has been formed, what with my recent blog post about the keynote |
| 19:22.09 | Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: No news to me. Suggest chasing up with the current council. |
| 19:22.32 | MohammadAG | is Doctor Who good? |
| 19:22.44 | RiD | cehteh: Default power kernel settings are the "normal" ones, or are they still undervolted? |
| 19:22.57 | cehteh | i dont know |
| 19:23.17 | cehteh | moment |
| 19:23.42 | kerio | RiD: i think "stock" is just... stock |
| 19:24.08 | Jaffa | MohammadAG: Yes. |
| 19:24.16 | cehteh | 0:30,90 250:38,180 500:48,360 550:54,400 600:60,430 700:60,430 750:60,430 |
| 19:24.19 | RiD | kerio: Well, then it's something wrong with software |
| 19:24.22 | cehteh | are iirc the default settings |
| 19:24.27 | kerio | RiD: or with your hardware :) |
| 19:24.27 | cehteh | (no warranty) |
| 19:24.30 | DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: ok, thanks anyway |
| 19:24.33 | kerio | RiD: can you reflash? |
| 19:24.43 | cehteh | err even remove the 700 from that |
| 19:24.45 | RiD | kerio: I can, but I didn't want to reflash yet, lol |
| 19:24.58 | cehteh | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:25.36 | RiD | Latest apps installed are: WiFiEye,recaller and Flashlight |
| 19:25.53 | RiD | from those, I've used recaller and Flashlight 1 year ago (before flashing the phone) |
| 19:25.59 | kerio | RiD: stupid question - have you tried to reboot? |
| 19:26.11 | kerio | you could also remove the widget configuration, so you'd start with the default |
| 19:26.20 | RiD | Oh heh |
| 19:26.30 | RiD | kerio: damn, why didnt i thought of that first, lol |
| 19:26.48 | RiD | kerio: and about reboots - more than 20x times already. My battery is getting r*ped |
| 19:27.08 | RiD | also, ironically, the desktop started freezing when i did put some jessica alba wallapers on it :p |
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| 19:27.52 | DocScrutinizer | RiD: get rid (lol) of all your widgets. Then add them one per day and test |
| 19:28.03 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: one per day? |
| 19:28.12 | kerio | this is not an allergy |
| 19:28.15 | DocScrutinizer | sure, testing one day seems fine |
| 19:28.21 | RiD | Well |
| 19:28.47 | RiD | as far as i remember, the phone uses to crash when i click on "Add Widgets" |
| 19:29.04 | RiD | not every time, just after messing with it for 2, 3, 4 minutes |
| 19:29.40 | RiD | It crashes completely, keeping the screen frozen |
| 19:29.47 | RiD | I have to long-press the power button, lol |
| 19:29.52 | DocScrutinizer | RiD: backup(-app), get rid of all widgets, test |
| 19:30.04 | DocScrutinizer | also switch theme to standard |
| 19:30.20 | RiD | DocScrutinizer: Theme is standard, except wallpapers. Will switch the wallpapers now |
| 19:31.03 | DocScrutinizer | if that doesn't help, you do a full backup and try "reset to factory defaults" in settings menu |
| 19:31.26 | RiD | DocScrutinizer: By the way, do you know the path where hildon-home stores the settings? |
| 19:31.28 | DocScrutinizer | if it still crashes, you should reflash |
| 19:31.44 | DocScrutinizer | not off top of my head |
| 19:31.44 | RiD | DocScrutinizer: I knew it before, but just forgot it |
| 19:31.59 | DocScrutinizer | I guess somewhere in ~/.* |
| 19:32.26 | DocScrutinizer | some might be gconf crap though |
| 19:33.41 | DocScrutinizer | probably a ls ~user/.<tab><tab> will help |
| 19:34.57 | DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# find ~user -name '*hildon*' |
| 19:35.40 | RiD | home.safe-set |
| 19:35.44 | RiD | and home.conf |
| 19:35.48 | RiD | on /etc/hildon-desktop |
| 19:36.05 | RiD | should be that, I guess |
| 19:36.11 | DocScrutinizer | possibly |
| 19:37.42 | RiD | ok just switched the files (and made backup of both). |
| 19:37.51 | RiD | killall hildon-home should re-load the file, right? |
| 19:38.44 | kerio | wait, /etc? |
| 19:38.54 | RiD | kerio: Yes, wrong path? |
| 19:39.03 | kerio | did someone at nokia at least look at the *cover* of the LSB? |
| 19:39.10 | kerio | or the FHS? |
| 19:39.16 | kerio | i don't even |
| 19:39.28 | DocScrutinizer | those /home/user/.config/hildon-desktop/home.plugins /etc/hildon-desktop/home.plugins look quite similar here |
| 19:39.40 | RiD | hmm |
| 19:40.38 | DocScrutinizer | kerio: evidently not, otherwise optification never seen the sun |
| 19:41.01 | DocScrutinizer | ~optification |
| 19:41.01 | infobot | i heard optification is a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the partitioning is FUBAR, or http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs, or ""OMG - I wish somebody had looked into FHS and moved /usr to eMMC"", or http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE2 bullet1,2 and fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE16 sentence3 |
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| 19:41.43 | RiD | DocScrutinizer: home.plugins have leftovers of old widgets |
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| 19:42.14 | RiD | such as "repeatswtiched", "personal-gprs-mon", "swipecounter", "irwi" and "maxcpu" |
| 19:42.31 | DocScrutinizer | that's been an arbitrarily picked file, dunno how it's related to widgets |
| 19:42.41 | RiD | DocScrutinizer: the ones at /home/user/.config/hildon-desktop, lol |
| 19:43.31 | DocScrutinizer | anyway I think you're close to it now |
| 19:43.55 | RiD | DocScrutinizer: the one at /etc/hildon-desktop/ seems innocent, as it has the tutorial-home, ovi-promotion, google-search-widget and calendar-home-applet |
| 19:44.10 | DocScrutinizer | same here |
| 19:44.23 | RiD | Then i'll try copying the etc one to the .config |
| 19:44.40 | RiD | wish best luck for me *a* |
| 19:44.41 | DocScrutinizer | NB i have not the slightest idea if that's the correct file to look for |
| 19:44.52 | RiD | If i screw over the stuff over again |
| 19:45.00 | RiD | I'll consider reflashing, once again |
| 19:45.12 | DocScrutinizer | RiD: I suggest you install backupmenu first |
| 19:45.42 | RiD | Woah |
| 19:45.47 | DocScrutinizer | quite a convenient way to recover from a bootloop |
| 19:45.50 | RiD | I've switched the file and the default widgets have just loaded |
| 19:45.57 | RiD | the ovi one, google on |
| 19:45.58 | RiD | *one |
| 19:45.59 | RiD | etc |
| 19:46.17 | RiD | so it might be solved - or not. |
| 19:46.38 | RiD | ill now try to mess with them to see if it crashes. Anyways, thanks for everyone being patient enough ^^ |
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| 19:49.34 | RiD | meh, it just froze again |
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| 20:00.32 | RiD | lost my patience today, I'll try again tomorrow |
| 20:00.48 | RiD | if not - then the reflash is my only option |
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| 21:20.33 | DocScrutinizer | why GPS sucks for some, and not for others / why GPS needs *some* SIM inserted to phone, to get a quick fix: http://www.quintillion.co.jp/3GPP/Specs/GSM_GERAN/0431-8i0.pdf p.8 ""2.3 Assistance Data Delivery Procedure"" |
| 21:20.45 | DocScrutinizer | also: |
| 21:20.47 | DocScrutinizer | ~rrlp |
| 21:20.48 | infobot | somebody said rrlp was the Radio Resource LCS (Location Service) Protocol as specified first in GSM TS 04.31, or http://security.osmocom.org/trac/wiki/RRLP |
| 21:21.50 | DocScrutinizer | err, ++ " / why GPS chip is connected to modem rather than main CPU" |
| 21:22.08 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: because the nokia engineers were taking the piss? |
| 21:22.38 | kerio | the n900 is not a phone, they should've stopped pretending it was one a long time ago |
| 21:23.59 | Corsac | âtheyâ being? |
| 21:24.24 | Corsac | nokia always called it a âmobile computerâ, remember |
| 21:24.54 | DocScrutinizer | >>4.1 Measure Position Request |
| 21:24.56 | DocScrutinizer | This component is used by the SMLC to request location measurements or a location estimate from the MS. It includes QoS, other instructions, and possible assistance data to the MS. This component is defined as follows:...<< |
| 21:25.28 | DocScrutinizer | MS == mobile station == phone |
| 21:25.38 | kerio | >phone |
| 21:25.40 | kerio | >not a phone |
| 21:25.45 | kerio | see |
| 21:26.03 | SpeedEvil | Can the tower help the moile, even ifg it's not authenticted? |
| 21:26.11 | SpeedEvil | Or is it authenticted SIMs only? |
| 21:26.15 | DocScrutinizer | I guess yes |
| 21:26.37 | DocScrutinizer | as you also can do 911 calls without auth |
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| 21:26.47 | vi___ | hello |
| 21:26.47 | SpeedEvil | Not in the UK. |
| 21:26.53 | kerio | SpeedEvil: D: |
| 21:26.54 | kerio | really? |
| 21:26.58 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 21:27.13 | DocScrutinizer | everywhere, just they forbid it in some countries |
| 21:27.18 | vi___ | is it possible to uninstall the cssu camera ui? |
| 21:27.44 | DocScrutinizer | vi___: ask MohammadAG |
| 21:28.20 | MohammadAG | you can downgrade to an older version using apt-get install camera-ui=version |
| 21:28.30 | MohammadAG | vi___, may I ask why? |
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| 21:34.26 | vi___ | gtg |
| 21:34.28 | vi___ | bb |
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| 21:46.02 | merlin1991 | MohammadAG: I guess "because the new one crashes" |
| 21:47.04 | merlin1991 | (a lot lately and I have no idea what changed) |
| 21:49.18 | xd13 | they should have made it a phone, its what I use it for and what i need |
| 21:49.29 | xd13 | called* |
| 21:49.33 | MohammadAG | merlin1991, can you debug it? |
| 21:50.10 | merlin1991 | how? |
| 21:50.42 | DocScrutinizer | gdb? |
| 21:50.51 | merlin1991 | does it have symbols? |
| 21:50.58 | DocScrutinizer | dunno |
| 21:51.08 | merlin1991 | how do I prevent it from spawning when I open the lid |
| 21:51.09 | MohammadAG | I have a camera-u-dbg package |
| 21:51.12 | MohammadAG | ui* |
| 21:51.20 | MohammadAG | if not, then that wasn't in the last update.... |
| 21:51.35 | MohammadAG | dsmetool -k /usr/bin/camera-ui |
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| 21:52.19 | DocScrutinizer | we shouldn't include..... err I've been told to stop this |
| 21:52.29 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer :D |
| 21:53.07 | merlin1991 | MohammadAG: camer-ui was as non dbg in the update |
| 21:53.42 | merlin1991 | I'd happily create traces for you on crash, but I'll need the dbg package |
| 21:53.58 | MohammadAG | merlin1991, apt-cache search camera-ui-dbg doesn't show anything? |
| 21:54.01 | DocScrutinizer | sits on his hands |
| 21:54.06 | merlin1991 | nothing |
| 21:54.12 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, nothing we do for -testing, for -stable, I agree |
| 21:54.16 | DocScrutinizer | (typing with my nose) |
| 21:54.23 | MohammadAG | we can't distribute Nokia's binary anymore |
| 21:54.38 | MohammadAG | merlin1991, got scratchbox? |
| 21:54.48 | merlin1991 | that pc's broken :/ |
| 21:54.53 | merlin1991 | actually got a new mobo today |
| 21:54.57 | MohammadAG | sec then |
| 21:55.02 | merlin1991 | but I'll get that @ some point next week |
| 21:55.21 | merlin1991 | btw DocScrutinizer got the board for ~70⬠in the end |
| 21:55.29 | DocScrutinizer | nice |
| 21:55.57 | merlin1991 | reacted nowhere unless the pressure was high enough to bend the board |
| 21:56.18 | DocScrutinizer | hell, another 5min and another day is gone without me doing anything useful |
| 21:56.37 | javispedro | it's saturday |
| 21:56.44 | javispedro | you don't do anything useful on a saturday. |
| 21:56.50 | Gyjf | ^ |
| 21:56.51 | DocScrutinizer | no reason to forget about eating |
| 21:56.53 | SpeedEvil | merlin1991: What oard? |
| 21:56.58 | SpeedEvil | board. |
| 21:57.05 | merlin1991 | the motherboard of my dev notebook |
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| 21:57.37 | SpeedEvil | Oh. |
| 21:57.43 | SpeedEvil | stabs ebay. |
| 21:57.59 | SpeedEvil | They changed the page format, so my sniper missed a motherboard for my notebook that went at 2.99 |
| 21:58.00 | DocScrutinizer | in less than 3 min it's sunday "What's wrong with SUNDAY? it's the LORD'S day!" |
| 21:58.08 | SpeedEvil | Traci? |
| 21:58.10 | DocScrutinizer | <FZ> |
| 21:58.23 | Gyjf | sunday is the worst day of the weekend |
| 21:58.38 | merlin1991 | sleep in and be happy |
| 21:58.46 | javispedro | goes play portal |
| 21:58.51 | SpeedEvil | On a fairly off-topic note - does anyone know of anything for X that will beep if I've typoed a word? |
| 21:58.57 | merlin1991 | javispedro: 1 or 2? |
| 21:59.05 | DocScrutinizer | I bet Rance Muhammiz felt the same, Gyjf |
| 21:59.15 | javispedro | merlin1991: not decided yet |
| 21:59.30 | merlin1991 | imo 1 is better |
| 21:59.38 | Gyjf | cant say i know who that is doc |
| 21:59.55 | javispedro | 1 is it :) |
| 22:00.01 | DocScrutinizer | Gyjf: Frank Zappa - 200 Motels. In case I lost you |
| 22:00.16 | Gyjf | aaah zappa |
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| 22:01.28 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: duh, definitely never heard about |
| 22:01.44 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, on a scale of 1-10 on the sanity scale, what do you think of putting Qt 4.8 in the CSSU, if it's stable |
| 22:01.57 | javispedro | -3000 |
| 22:02.02 | DocScrutinizer | indeed |
| 22:02.07 | MohammadAG | I'll go for some negatives |
| 22:02.29 | javispedro | either way |
| 22:02.30 | vldcnst | buffer overflow |
| 22:02.42 | javispedro | mohammadag is the one doing it |
| 22:02.55 | javispedro | if he feels it should be ... progressive, so be it. |
| 22:03.19 | javispedro | if we want a stable conservative cssu we should start it someday ;) |
| 22:03.35 | DocScrutinizer | I feel we need a meeting to discuss how to deal with all these questions |
| 22:03.55 | MohammadAG | [sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~/qt-everywhere-opensource-src-4.8.0-tp] > grep -r MAEMO_7 * |
| 22:04.00 | MohammadAG | [sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~/qt-everywhere-opensource-src-4.8.0-tp] > |
| 22:04.01 | MohammadAG | I expected that to return something :p |
| 22:04.57 | DocScrutinizer | grep -r MAEMO *|sort|uniq ;-) |
| 22:05.20 | javispedro | Maemo 7 is Windows Phone 7 |
| 22:07.55 | lardman | night all |
| 22:08.31 | DocScrutinizer | night lardman|gone |
| 22:08.48 | MohammadAG | ICD is only available on maemo right? |
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| 22:08.59 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 22:09.18 | *** join/#maemo maemo_expert (~lawl0r@2001:470:25:1ee:21c:c0ff:fe19:5277) |
| 22:09.20 | maemo_expert | ohai |
| 22:09.26 | maemo_expert | what is maemo? |
| 22:09.31 | DocScrutinizer | it's no publicly know FOSS pkg |
| 22:09.45 | javispedro | including harmattan afaik |
| 22:10.29 | maemo_expert | what is FOSS? |
| 22:10.45 | DocScrutinizer | maemo_expert: one more... |
| 22:10.47 | MohammadAG | it's one of those bots again |
| 22:10.52 | *** mode/#maemo [+o DocScrutinizer] by ChanServ |
| 22:11.02 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, keep it a bit |
| 22:11.20 | MohammadAG | This is a PNG |
| 22:11.56 | MohammadAG | so it's not the guy from the conference, you can get it rid of it now |
| 22:11.57 | MohammadAG | :P |
| 22:12.11 | *** mode/#maemo [-o DocScrutinizer] by ChanServ |
| 22:12.14 | DocScrutinizer | meh |
| 22:12.23 | maemo_expert | guise, i just bought my android phone, is it possible to run maemo on it? |
| 22:12.32 | maemo_expert | i mean, it's both linux, right? |
| 22:12.44 | MohammadAG | no, you might want to have a look at meego |
| 22:12.55 | javispedro | nah, maemo is gnu/linux, android is only linux. |
| 22:13.07 | Px26 | pretty much busybox, not gnu |
| 22:13.07 | DocScrutinizer | not even that |
| 22:13.19 | javispedro | glibc... |
| 22:13.26 | Px26 | well |
| 22:13.38 | maemo_expert | glibc? i don't want thos gnome shit |
| 22:13.42 | maemo_expert | i just want maemo |
| 22:13.55 | DocScrutinizer | may I...? |
| 22:14.00 | javispedro | "gnome shit" |
| 22:14.02 | MohammadAG | ... |
| 22:14.46 | maemo_expert | yeah, sorry my english is not that god |
| 22:14.55 | MohammadAG | you don't realize maemo is largely hildon on the UI parts, and that's based on gtk right? |
| 22:14.59 | maemo_expert | just wanted to say i dont like gnome |
| 22:15.11 | maemo_expert | yes gtk is cool, but gnome sucks |
| 22:15.25 | maemo_expert | because gnome is only good for ubuntu noobs |
| 22:15.29 | MohammadAG | Last I checked gtk uses glib |
| 22:15.54 | maemo_expert | yea, that sucks, glibc is only good for noobs, real hackers use dietlibc |
| 22:16.00 | Px26 | wtf |
| 22:16.06 | javispedro | ?? |
| 22:16.15 | *** mode/#maemo [+o javispedro] by ChanServ |
| 22:16.18 | MohammadAG | get maemo working with that then, whatever it is |
| 22:16.24 | MohammadAG | goodbye |
| 22:16.33 | maemo_expert | yeah, working on it |
| 22:16.52 | *** mode/#maemo [+o MohammadAG] by ChanServ |
| 22:17.00 | maemo_expert | problem is: there isn't a decent c lib out there |
| 22:17.03 | javispedro | working on _what_ |
| 22:17.14 | DocScrutinizer | c'mon |
| 22:17.15 | maemo_expert | porting gtk on dietlibc |
| 22:17.47 | javispedro | you are confusing glib and glibc |
| 22:18.08 | MohammadAG | javispedro, experts do that sometimes, apparently... |
| 22:18.10 | maemo_expert | what's the difference? |
| 22:18.13 | DocScrutinizer | can't, he's maemo_expert |
| 22:18.40 | maemo_expert | yes i am |
| 22:18.45 | javispedro | andi3, while we're at it, why don't voluntarily try #meego |
| 22:18.49 | maemo_expert | i had a n900 for like 2 weeks in a row |
| 22:19.13 | MohammadAG | Wow, that's impressive |
| 22:19.13 | maemo_expert | so i'm pretty good with maemo |
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| 22:19.24 | maemo_expert | thanks |
| 22:19.25 | MohammadAG | maemo_expert, why are you here again? |
| 22:19.43 | maemo_expert | porting maemo to my new anroid phone |
| 22:19.56 | javispedro | should be playing portal |
| 22:20.03 | MohammadAG | by the looks of it, you're just dissing maemo and it's dependencies |
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| 22:20.20 | SpeedEvil | is playing portal on his n900. |
| 22:20.22 | kerio | javispedro: the cake is a lie |
| 22:20.28 | kerio | javispedro: also space |
| 22:20.32 | kerio | and lemons |
| 22:20.41 | maemo_expert | spoiler: glados kills wheatly |
| 22:20.45 | javispedro | and potatos. |
| 22:20.48 | Gyjf | dont spoil the game dude |
| 22:20.59 | *** kick/#maemo [maemo_expert!~javier@Maemo/community/council/javispedro] by javispedro (maemo_expert) |
| 22:20.59 | *** join/#maemo maemo_expert (~lawl0r@2001:470:25:1ee:21c:c0ff:fe19:5277) |
| 22:20.59 | maemo_expert | oh sorry |
| 22:21.08 | SpeedEvil | Snape kills Pikachu. |
| 22:21.11 | kerio | javispedro: haha |
| 22:21.18 | maemo_expert | that was portal 2 i was talking about btw |
| 22:21.25 | maemo_expert | no i don't spoil portal |
| 22:21.25 | kerio | and it's... wrong |
| 22:21.28 | javispedro | trolling can stand, spoiling portal... |
| 22:21.32 | Gyjf | you dont spoil a great game |
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| 22:21.47 | kerio | you don't spoil a great game *wrongly* |
| 22:21.55 | ShadowJK | ponders youube videos to scare people afraid of flying |
| 22:21.57 | ShadowJK | suggestions? |
| 22:21.58 | MohammadAG | kerio, careful, he might get it right |
| 22:21.59 | kerio | glados doesn't kill wheatley |
| 22:22.09 | MohammadAG | kerio, shush |
| 22:22.10 | maemo_expert | what does she do then? |
| 22:22.14 | kerio | what game did you play? |
| 22:22.24 | maemo_expert | super mario |
| 22:22.29 | MohammadAG | kicks you out of #maemo |
| 22:22.30 | maemo_expert | pokemon (red) |
| 22:22.31 | Gyjf | ey, seriously, let him play the game and see what happends |
| 22:22.40 | *** kick/#maemo [maemo_expert!~MohammadA@Maemo/community/contributor/MohammadAG] by MohammadAG (come back when you feel productive) |
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| 22:22.43 | ShadowJK | oh sorry, I walked into the middle of a troll session :s |
| 22:22.50 | *** mode/#maemo [+b *!*lawl0r@*2001 470:25:1ee:21c:c0ff:fe19:5277] by MohammadAG |
| 22:22.52 | kerio | MohammadAG: he feels productive already! |
| 22:22.52 | *** kick/#maemo [maemo_expert!~MohammadA@Maemo/community/contributor/MohammadAG] by MohammadAG (maemo_expert) |
| 22:22.59 | *** mode/#maemo [+o DocScrutinizer] by ChanServ |
| 22:23.06 | *** mode/#maemo [+b *!*lawl0r@*] by DocScrutinizer |
| 22:23.09 | MohammadAG | incoming PM spam in 3, 2, 1 |
| 22:23.11 | *** mode/#maemo [-o DocScrutinizer] by ChanServ |
| 22:23.20 | *** mode/#maemo [-o MohammadAG] by ChanServ |
| 22:23.20 | *** mode/#maemo [-o javispedro] by javispedro |
| 22:23.45 | kerio | removes channel operator status from ChanServ |
| 22:24.02 | MohammadAG | give channel troll status to kerio |
| 22:24.02 | javispedro | i am too good for these people ;) |
| 22:24.07 | MohammadAG | gives*, f me |
| 22:24.31 | kerio | fs MohammadAG |
| 22:24.39 | javispedro | now, be peaceful, all of this beeping and noise doesnt allow me to hear glados voice. |
| 22:24.52 | kerio | javispedro: where are you? |
| 22:25.02 | merlin1991 | javispedro: glados wants to killl you |
| 22:25.08 | merlin1991 | javispedro: the cake is a lie! |
| 22:25.10 | merlin1991 | javispedro: BEEP |
| 22:25.16 | kerio | merlin1991: wrong game dude |
| 22:25.17 | MohammadAG | javispedro, coop is fun |
| 22:25.29 | merlin1991 | also kerio no right game |
| 22:25.35 | merlin1991 | he's playin portal |
| 22:25.41 | Gyjf | 1 or 2? |
| 22:25.43 | kerio | ooh, portal 1? |
| 22:25.47 | Gyjf | both great games |
| 22:25.48 | merlin1991 | 1 I think |
| 22:25.51 | kerio | haven't thought about that |
| 22:25.57 | merlin1991 | at least he said so a few lines above |
| 22:26.04 | MohammadAG | 2, surely |
| 22:26.36 | javispedro | the first, I beat the second already |
| 22:26.40 | javispedro | well, not coop. |
| 22:26.55 | kerio | javispedro: it'll probably be disappointing, story-wise |
| 22:27.13 | kerio | but i prefer it to portal 2 wrt the actual game |
| 22:27.46 | kerio | portal 2 is a bit consolized :( |
| 22:28.19 | MohammadAG | Portal 2 is epic |
| 22:28.52 | DocScrutinizer | we probably should have banned the IPv6 |
| 22:29.04 | Gyjf | why not? |
| 22:29.26 | kerio | MohammadAG: it is! |
| 22:29.32 | ShadowJK | Out of not knowing how to properly lay down a ban for IP6 addresses? |
| 22:29.33 | kerio | p1 is just better as a game |
| 22:29.35 | MohammadAG | kerio, consoles are epic |
| 22:29.41 | kerio | twitchiness is cool |
| 22:29.48 | kerio | MohammadAG: not really |
| 22:29.52 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: just lazy |
| 22:30.18 | DocScrutinizer | and hungry |
| 22:30.22 | DocScrutinizer | and tired |
| 22:30.22 | kerio | consoles would be epic if they didn't insist on making you use those weird things instead of mouse + keyboard |
| 22:30.36 | ShadowJK | I thought that were their advantage :-) |
| 22:30.52 | MohammadAG | kerio, UT3 supports a mouse and keyboard on the PS3, just sayin |
| 22:31.04 | kerio | MohammadAG: i know |
| 22:31.05 | merlin1991 | I don't like portal 2 because the restrictive element in the puzzles is not the obstacle you have to overcome |
| 22:31.10 | merlin1991 | but the space where to put your portals |
| 22:31.12 | Gyjf | mouse gives you a lot higher precision and keyboard lot more keys |
| 22:31.19 | kerio | otoh, you have to play UT3 |
| 22:31.31 | ShadowJK | Those controllers with analog joystick are actually good enough approximations that you can give somoene a few months training to transfer them to controlling real life remote vehicles :-) |
| 22:31.34 | merlin1991 | imo portal 1 > portal 2 |
| 22:31.35 | MohammadAG | ShadowJK, a console's advantage is that you buy a game for it, rather than upgrade hardware then buy the games |
| 22:31.42 | ShadowJK | MohammadAG, yes indeed |
| 22:31.52 | kerio | you mean "buy" the games |
| 22:32.07 | kerio | moh |
| 22:32.08 | kerio | er |
| 22:32.13 | MohammadAG | kerio, I'm on official firmware, don't pirate shit |
| 22:32.28 | MohammadAG | I admit, I pirated Portal 2 till it came out here, which was in mid may |
| 22:32.31 | kerio | MohammadAG: i was talking about the pc |
| 22:32.47 | ShadowJK | MohammadAG, on PC you upgrade, "wtf?", upgrade, "wtf?", spend 5000 on the beefiest PC you can find, "wtf?", it's a quest, bigger than any in-game quest, for fps, and you always lose. |
| 22:32.49 | kerio | and mouse+kbd >>>>>>> analog sticks |
| 22:33.08 | kerio | ShadowJK: especially when playing minecraft |
| 22:33.14 | ShadowJK | lol |
| 22:33.16 | MohammadAG | ShadowJK, my laptops runs games better than my desktop |
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| 22:33.19 | kerio | although optifog is incredible for that |
| 22:33.45 | kerio | MohammadAG: in UT3 they separate players based on control method |
| 22:34.09 | kerio | because someone playing with mouse and keyboard will *obliterate* someone with a controller |
| 22:34.15 | ShadowJK | Once you get decent fps in GTAV or whatever you've already had an electrian install a high-power circuit to power your monster dual graphics cards |
| 22:34.31 | kerio | ShadowJK: why only two? |
| 22:34.37 | ShadowJK | :P |
| 22:34.47 | MohammadAG | kerio, you can play Killzone 3 with the playstation move |
| 22:34.50 | ShadowJK | I don't know of any motherboard with 3 x 16 PCI-e lanes :P |
| 22:34.58 | kerio | you want at least three for every one of your 6 monitors |
| 22:35.02 | MohammadAG | I tried that once, online, it shoved me into a game with people using the normal controller |
| 22:35.05 | MohammadAG | I didn't get one kill |
| 22:35.13 | ShadowJK | For sure, in games where you have (near-)infinite agility a mouse is superior |
| 22:35.31 | kerio | ShadowJK: your mouse is your agility! |
| 22:35.42 | ShadowJK | kerio, that's what I call infinite |
| 22:35.44 | MohammadAG | kerio, I could pwn someone on CoD with a controller |
| 22:35.57 | MohammadAG | find me a way to play with him with a mouse and keyboard |
| 22:36.04 | kerio | the only way to make stuff equal is to lower everyone to the lowest common denominator |
| 22:36.17 | ShadowJK | mostly plays flight sims where accuracy is king |
| 22:36.17 | kerio | which is the controller with dual analogs |
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| 22:36.29 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: multi-PC setup is the hype |
| 22:36.33 | kerio | MohammadAG: [citation needed] |
| 22:36.47 | MohammadAG | kerio, ha |
| 22:36.51 | kerio | MohammadAG: you can play with a controller on the pc |
| 22:36.56 | Gyjf | when they tried to make crossplatform fps the pcs were so supperior to the controller that they just abandoned that prjoect |
| 22:36.57 | ShadowJK | first person shooter is kinda strange in that you can turn around as fast as you can move the controller |
| 22:37.03 | MohammadAG | kerio, challenge accepted, game? |
| 22:37.35 | kerio | MohammadAG: i'm in bed, and the only game my laptop can play reliably is sauerbraten/redeclipse |
| 22:37.51 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: there are dudes that have a complete cockpit plus 7 PC and projectors in their cellar - and their wife has to wear stuardess clothing |
| 22:37.54 | kerio | and i'm also out of batteries for my mouse :< |
| 22:38.18 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: why 7 PCs? |
| 22:38.31 | Macer | DocScrutinizer: hahaahahahaa!! |
| 22:38.38 | Gyjf | i would have played you, but i have no legit games sry |
| 22:38.42 | DocScrutinizer | as one PC can't handle the 7 projectors |
| 22:38.56 | kerio | hd projectors? |
| 22:38.57 | Macer | DocScrutinizer: why not? |
| 22:38.59 | MohammadAG | kerio, weak |
| 22:39.03 | Macer | :) |
| 22:39.16 | kerio | MohammadAG: also i'm not really a fan of realistic shooters |
| 22:39.35 | cehteh | whats realistic there? |
| 22:39.40 | kerio | MohammadAG: try red eclipse, it's opensource, fun, and really really fast |
| 22:39.44 | kerio | cehteh: CoD |
| 22:39.53 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, luckily I gave up PC flight sim due to the ever race to keep up with graphics cards, before I became one of those |
| 22:39.55 | Macer | what is red eclipse? |
| 22:40.01 | ShadowJK | now I'm progressing into RC nerd :/ |
| 22:40.08 | MohammadAG | CoD is far from realistic imo |
| 22:40.10 | cehteh | mouse with recoil? shoots which really hurt? no respawn? |
| 22:40.32 | kerio | cehteh: regenerating health, slow movement speed, realistic environment |
| 22:40.40 | Macer | ShadowJK: does ms still make a flight simulator? |
| 22:40.44 | ShadowJK | Those RC Helicopter pilots are amazing. It's like they have infinite agility, AND infinite precision at their disposal simultaneously :-) |
| 22:40.48 | ShadowJK | Macer, I think so |
| 22:40.48 | kerio | the "realistic" was in massive quotes |
| 22:40.57 | cehteh | i never played CoD ... tremolous and sauerbraten sometimes |
| 22:40.58 | ShadowJK | Macer, in any case, whether they do or not, people would still be flying it |
| 22:41.09 | ShadowJK | remembers people were flying MSFSIM 95 in 2005 |
| 22:41.09 | kerio | tremlous |
| 22:41.11 | kerio | er |
| 22:41.12 | cehteh | both are rather fictional/comical |
| 22:41.22 | kerio | tremulous is based on Q3, right? |
| 22:41.28 | kerio | same as urban terror |
| 22:41.29 | cehteh | yes |
| 22:41.31 | Macer | ShadowJK: haha |
| 22:41.32 | ShadowJK | (even though 98 was as much of an improvement as Windows 98 over Windows 95) |
| 22:41.52 | merlin1991 | IL2 > msfsim |
| 22:42.00 | Gyjf | 95... nostalgia |
| 22:42.09 | Gyjf | win95 was actually my first os |
| 22:42.10 | kerio | cehteh: red eclipse is sauerbraten with more movement |
| 22:42.15 | MohammadAG | besides GAN and crashandd-ie, who has a PS3 here? |
| 22:42.19 | kerio | and a bit more modes and maps |
| 22:42.19 | DocScrutinizer | sauebraten ROOAAAAR |
| 22:42.34 | Macer | i have never heard of any of these games |
| 22:42.47 | ShadowJK | I recently-ish flew msfsim latest or whatever, and the planes still felt like they had half the mass of a real one, half the atmosphere of real, and half the response of real |
| 22:42.48 | MohammadAG | me neither |
| 22:43.17 | ShadowJK | would call Kickstart 1.2 & Workbench 1.3 his first os |
| 22:43.35 | kerio | flew google earth's flight sim once |
| 22:43.43 | ShadowJK | it's fake :) |
| 22:43.53 | kerio | i crashed on St. Peter's cathedral |
| 22:44.10 | MohammadAG | kerio, what date? |
| 22:44.14 | kerio | felt good |
| 22:44.21 | kerio | date? |
| 22:44.23 | ShadowJK | I hope I'll one day have enough cash to get a real helicopter license :( |
| 22:44.24 | DocScrutinizer | meh, WB1.3 been a nice improvement |
| 22:44.24 | Gyjf | i bet st peter was pissed |
| 22:44.38 | DocScrutinizer | even got a ROM for it |
| 22:44.53 | ShadowJK | Or atleast, I want to be in a helicopter doing emergency landing after complete engine failure :) |
| 22:45.08 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, iirc ROM for 1.2 and 1.3 was same, it was only the non-ROM OS that changed |
| 22:45.16 | cehteh | ShadowJK: famous last words :P |
| 22:45.20 | DocScrutinizer | while previously I was happy with booting from kickstart disk and WB disk |
| 22:45.32 | ShadowJK | cehteh, hey I can do it in flightgear! :) |
| 22:45.48 | ShadowJK | oh, Amiga 1000 :) |
| 22:45.51 | cehteh | yes but in reality people are not always as lucky |
| 22:45.51 | kerio | cehteh: no srsly try red eclipse |
| 22:45.52 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 22:45.53 | ShadowJK | didn't have ROM |
| 22:45.56 | DocScrutinizer | the best |
| 22:46.25 | ShadowJK | my Amiga no longer boots :( |
| 22:46.31 | ShadowJK | I tried in 2007, yellow screen :( |
| 22:46.41 | DocScrutinizer | mine are gone |
| 22:47.33 | ShadowJK | cehteh, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOJSo6_F6mE :) From the momeny the warning siren sounds at 0:36, the engine is shutdown and not providing any power at all :) |
| 22:47.37 | ShadowJK | moment* |
| 22:49.01 | DocScrutinizer | flying heli is fun |
| 22:49.27 | DocScrutinizer | though sometimes the rotor could use balancing |
| 22:49.48 | DocScrutinizer | quite a shaky experience otherwise |
| 22:50.00 | ShadowJK | I bought a precision scale for balancing my model heli's blades. The scale works much much better after I realized the lid was on. |
| 22:50.03 | ShadowJK | :P |
| 22:50.14 | cehteh | ShadowJK: nice skidding on the ground .. had they wheels? |
| 22:50.36 | ShadowJK | cehteh, usual skids |
| 22:50.57 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: the one I sat in wasn't balanced |
| 22:51.17 | ShadowJK | Skids actually have this wearable surface on them that you can skid on, and change if you wear it out excessively |
| 22:51.26 | DocScrutinizer | well, massage for free ;-P |
| 22:51.40 | ShadowJK | You can even slide down asphalt |
| 22:52.10 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: :) |
| 22:52.23 | SpeedEvil | Many planes also have skid-blocks. |
| 22:52.52 | SpeedEvil | On the tail - so that if they bump the tail on the way up, it wears the block, not the structure. |
| 22:52.59 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: Eeek - water. |
| 22:53.08 | DocScrutinizer | was about to write exactly that |
| 22:53.09 | ShadowJK | Yeah, water everywhere :) |
| 22:53.20 | SpeedEvil | Nice flare. |
| 22:53.24 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 22:53.56 | SpeedEvil | ponders helicopter-IVI |
| 22:54.12 | DocScrutinizer | hehe |
| 22:54.31 | ShadowJK | To be fair, an autorotating helicopter has about the same glide ratio as the space shuttle.. However, a heli usually lands at lower speed and shorter distance than the space shuttle :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phaWRjAVnes |
| 22:54.37 | DocScrutinizer | will make yiu sick when the thing shakes like mad |
| 22:56.04 | DocScrutinizer | btw there's that geek that built that famous spaceshuttle sim freeware |
| 22:56.34 | ShadowJK | orbitersim? |
| 22:56.35 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, may I ask how a SIM toolkit works? |
| 22:56.37 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 22:56.52 | MohammadAG | (directly interfacing with modem?) |
| 22:56.54 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: I'm not entirely sure |
| 22:56.57 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 22:57.29 | ShadowJK | I would imagine, that STK defines a virtual machine, and that the SIM card contains code in that VM language for the handset to execute |
| 22:57.30 | DocScrutinizer | I think it's some sort of java running either *inside* the sim, or on the modem processor |
| 22:57.47 | SpeedEvil | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vICf8l-KV0&feature=related (@40s or so) |
| 22:58.46 | ShadowJK | Orbitersim has superb spaceflight simulation, in precision of orbital mechanics it goes beyond anything else I've ever seen, and it even pays great amount of attention to get the details regarding a spacecraft's own rotation around its own axis right... |
| 22:59.20 | ShadowJK | But when it comes to atmospheric flight, orbitersim is, well, worse or equal to one-man one-month flightsim projects :) |
| 22:59.35 | DocScrutinizer | a friend of mine probably still flying to saturn in realtime ;-P |
| 22:59.51 | ShadowJK | I flew to moon in realtime in orbitersim :P |
| 23:00.39 | ShadowJK | My lunar orbit insertion calculation was wrong, and I wasn't at computer, so I missed the moon and didn't have enough fuel to go back :( |
| 23:00.51 | Gyjf | if you get there, be sure to get some moonrock back home |
| 23:00.58 | Gyjf | its worth a crapload of money |
| 23:01.20 | Gyjf | like, 1.7mil$ for a rock |
| 23:01.33 | ShadowJK | simulator rocks aren't worth what real life rocks are |
| 23:01.38 | DocScrutinizer | I heard there's a shitload of He3 on moon |
| 23:01.57 | ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, wow, looks almost like a model heli at that point :) |
| 23:01.59 | Gyjf | He3 is hard to transport |
| 23:02.12 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, yeah well, He3 is a bit like cold fusion isn't it.. |
| 23:03.36 | DocScrutinizer | waves... Paramedics came to separate chair from his ass |
| 23:04.16 | ShadowJK | Or rather, it depends on fusion :) |
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| 23:29.15 | SpeedEvil | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gd3dTmotGwc&NR=1 - fun. |
| 23:29.29 | SpeedEvil | (mono tiltrotor) |
| 23:30.31 | ShadowJK | what |
| 23:30.33 | ShadowJK | that's like a... |
| 23:31.29 | ShadowJK | Damn, i forget the words. The opposite of a bo105? |
| 23:31.43 | ShadowJK | Oh, coaxial.. |
| 23:32.02 | ShadowJK | .. dynamic stabilizers |
| 23:34.03 | SpeedEvil | It's like a V22, but with none of the active shizzle. |
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| 23:51.43 | Gyjf | anyone updated to aircrack-ng 1.1? |
| 23:53.55 | ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, "active shizzle"? |
| 23:54.29 | ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, are you suggesting the wing is passive? :-) |
| 23:54.41 | DocScrutinizer | Gyjf: pending |
| 23:55.33 | Gyjf | i just updated it and its not working anymore |
| 23:55.55 | Gyjf | "command not found" style |
| 23:56.04 | Gyjf | yes, im root |
| 23:56.47 | ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, does V22 have cyclic control on the rotors btw? |
| 23:57.52 | DocScrutinizer | wtf is this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CWpryAs1M8&NR=1 |
| 23:58.14 | DocScrutinizer | Gyjf: good to know |
| 23:58.16 | ShadowJK | As a sim-fullsize-heli sim-fullsize-airplane, sim-rc-heli, sim-rc-plane, rl-rc-heli pilot I'd imagine the best way to do V22 would be to have computers implement tilt wing as extension of cyclic response :) |
| 23:58.35 | Gyjf | so i gotta uninstall it and reinstall 1.0? |
| 23:59.07 | ShadowJK | But then I'm biased and imagine they'd want to make it into an airplane as soon as possible, ignoring the fact that a heli in forward flight acts mostly like a (poorly trimmed) airplane |
| 23:59.09 | DocScrutinizer | lemme check what I got (not that I've tested lately) |
| 23:59.22 | ShadowJK | and paycuts for people flying "just an airplane" |
