IRC log for #maemo on 20110520

00:01.05DocScrutinizerthen they realized you can't marry iStore with GPL and FOSS like they planned to do
00:02.42DocScrutinizerright about that time somebody of Nokia board or 1 step down in hierarchy started to plan cherry and shove it down nokia maemo devels' throat
00:03.19DocScrutinizermarriage with yahoo...
00:03.48DocScrutinizerdamn, there's something rotten inside Nokia
00:04.09GeneralAntillesWhy do surveys about internet speeds still have lists that look like: "Modem, ISDN, DSL, DSL, T1, DSL/Cable, LAN"
00:04.14GeneralAntillesand top out at 10Mbps
00:04.56DocScrutinizerbecause of the authors of those webpages are technical illiterates
00:04.57trxbecause these are actualy at say, Etiopia..
00:05.04trxactual*
00:06.01trxand LAN can be 1Gbps :)
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00:07.03b-man`hello all
00:07.08trxSpeedEvil 10?
00:07.12DocScrutinizerwell, and FDDI / random other fibreoptics can go up to Tbps, and are actually offered by some telcos
00:07.14SpeedEvil10Gbps
00:07.29trxwell who has 10Gbps lan at home? :D
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00:08.47DocScrutinizerbut those fibreoptics internet services are usually not meant for private customers, more for business
00:09.48SpeedEvilused 10G cards seem to be going for $120 or so
00:10.12DocScrutinizermeh, the cables are way too expensive
00:11.53trxand the switch
00:11.59trxi dont even want to know :)
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00:13.56DocScrutinizeroh, cat5a actually allows 10GBASE-T up to 50m
00:18.42DocScrutinizer...if you never run two cables next to each other anywhere
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01:06.09lolcatI have a switch that allows 10gbps fibre optics
01:23.31prontocongrats?
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02:22.27ZaakmmmIs it just me or is maemo alot slower than the original promo video of n900.
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03:15.39ShadowJKI wouldn't say "alot"
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03:18.54DocScrutinizerZaakmmm: you missed the 3pt writing at the bottom, didn't you?
03:19.48DocScrutinizerpromo video - hehehehe
03:20.09DocScrutinizerseen promos of iPhone? ;-P
03:21.41ShadowJKThe cool video is so abstract you can't really tell what's going on
03:21.47ShadowJKthe abstract video is abstract
03:22.00ShadowJKand the finding maemo video's web browser loads pages instantly
03:22.20ShadowJKfaster than my Core 2 Quad 9550
03:22.30DocScrutinizersure, via 2G
03:23.06DocScrutinizersorry Zaakmmm, we're in a nasty mood :-D
03:24.07ZaakmmmHeh
03:24.08ShadowJKhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxiOKKF721U This video shows shapeshifting abilities, where are those :(
03:24.22DocScrutinizerhihihi
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03:25.15DocScrutinizerwtf, how did he manage that?
03:25.34DocScrutinizerairport wlan I guess
03:25.54DocScrutinizer"one packet for free - choose wisely" ;-D
03:26.44ShadowJKhint: elisa-mobile
03:27.10DocScrutinizerumm, do I have to google, or will you give a clue ?
03:27.26ShadowJK--> timeless_xchat (~timeless@84-231-85-25.elisa-mobile.fi) has joined #maemo
03:27.34DocScrutinizeraah
03:27.44ShadowJKXChat on N900, mobile internets
03:28.20DocScrutinizerwell, I can't tell from chanlog how long he's been here, but for sure was <60s
03:28.41ShadowJKya
03:30.04DocScrutinizerprobably he found a cross site scripting vulnerability in that airport's registration page ;-P
03:30.53Macerhm
03:31.01Maceri don't quite understand how these cups pkgs work
03:31.08ShadowJKI'm pretty sure he just used his N900 and the N900 cellular modem ;p
03:31.11Maceranybody have a good site for how to configure it?
03:31.11DocScrutinizerpushed one cmdline with irc login + that one post
03:31.29DocScrutinizeraah
03:31.32Macereven though there aren't any apps that have a print option
03:32.18Macerif the cups bsd stuff had a front end that would work
03:32.46ShadowJKDocScrutinizer is like an old person seeing television first time, yelling "how do the people fit in there!?" ;P
03:33.20DocScrutinizerhttp://www.cups.org/documentation.php
03:33.30Macerheh
03:33.34Macernothing maemo specific?
03:33.43GeneralAntillesEU female employment quota. Teehee
03:33.47DocScrutinizercups isn't maemo specific
03:34.04MacerDocScrutinizer: but other distros like debian and ubuntu have cups wikis
03:34.15Macer:)
03:34.25DocScrutinizerwell, then use those
03:34.32Maceralthough with ubuntu you really don't need any cups knowledge
03:34.37DocScrutinizercups should be all the same anyway
03:34.55Macernot really. ubuntu and debian have gnome front ends... kubuntu has it set up in its setting panel
03:35.05DocScrutinizermhm
03:35.09Macerbut i will see if i can get it going. iw as just hoping there was a maemo walkthrough
03:35.23DocScrutinizerI bet there's a generic cups way to config a printer
03:35.32Maceri would love to figure out how to rebuild abiword with printer support in maemo
03:35.35Maceras well as gnumeric
03:36.12MacerDocScrutinizer: i am sure there is too. just wish there was a settings option
03:38.32DocScrutinizerhttp://localhost:631/
03:38.47Macertreid that
03:38.50Macertried
03:38.55Macer;)
03:39.08Maceri thought cupsenable then localhost:631 would do it
03:39.54Macerok
03:39.58Macerthis is where i kick myself
03:40.05Macerdidn't run it as root
03:40.07DocScrutinizerwell, if localhost:631 isn't working, then *maybe* you're missing some parts/pkgs of cups system
03:40.08Maceroops
03:40.20Macerit is workign no
03:40.31Macernow..but i'm not at home to mess with the printer but i will do that when i get home
03:40.51Macerthen work on getting a building box going so i can see about getting abiword and gnumeric built with printing support
03:40.53DocScrutinizerglad to hear :-)
03:41.08Macerlet me disable it bfore it murders my battery
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03:58.26Macerheh
03:58.46Maceri went through the steps... it is simple.. if i were home i would do it now.
03:59.28Macerjust need the brother ppd file which is pretty easy to get. damn.. sure wish abiword and gnumeric had printing support built in
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04:01.22DocScrutinizerMacer: >> CUPS understands many different types of files directly, including text, PostScript, PDF, and image files. This allows you to print from inside your applications or at the command-line, whichever is most convenient! Type either of the following commands to print a file to the default (or only) printer on the system:
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04:04.10DocScrutinizer>>CUPS provides both the System V (lp(1)) and Berkeley (lpr(1)) printing commands for printing files. In addition, it supported a large number of standard and printer-specific options that allow you to control how and where files are printed.
04:05.16DocScrutinizerMacer: doesn't abiword export pdf?
04:06.55Maceryes
04:07.04Macerbut would be nice to print directly
04:07.28DocScrutinizerso while it's not the most convenient way, it is possible to print at least
04:07.43Maceryeah
04:07.55Macerprinting on a phone is sweet
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04:10.27DocScrutinizerMacer: mohammadAG recently is fascinated by inotify. If you ask nicely, I bet he'll write you a daemon that watches for arbitrary /printer/* files, and as soon as such a file appears, starts a cmd "lp /printer/*; rm /printer/*"
04:11.38DocScrutinizerso you start printing by saving/exporting pdf or whatever to "/printer/myprinterjob1"
04:12.03GAN900starts checking off items counting down to SF
04:13.19DocScrutinizerMacer: sweet -> you could even print over internet, from any location in the world, to your homesite printer
04:14.18DocScrutinizeraiui at least. CUPS should have some proper authentication so not everybody random hacker can abuse your printer
04:14.52DocScrutinizeryou just need a cups running on any machine@home
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04:16.44DocScrutinizeror you pipe from your local N900 to home, like "cat myprfile | ssh me@mydomain.home lpr"
04:18.27DocScrutinizerbut definitely printing to a usb printer plugged to N900 via H-E-N is the most technically advanced and exciting thing to do ;-D
04:21.10DocScrutinizerdoubts though that friggin HPLIP will install and work on N900, to operate this hp-lj P1505
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04:28.03MacerDocScrutinizer: well.. cups is running on the n900 so i am guessing it is its own server
04:28.16Macerthe printer itself supports ipp ldp etc
04:28.37Macerreally... i am guessing that is why they have the ssh tunnel front end for maemo
04:28.50Macerso you can just use ssh for auth
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05:16.28Macerhm
05:23.32Macerwhat to do what to do
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05:33.37Macerok
05:33.48Macerthere has to be an option for this somewhere
05:34.10Macercssu does this thing where it shows you all the windows.. and they scroll and it totally sucks
05:34.13Macer:)
05:35.33cehtehyou mean the task switcher layout?
05:35.42Maceryes!
05:35.47Macerlol
05:35.56cehtehyes i cant stand it and set that to default too
05:36.03Maceri want the old method.. is there a way to change it?
05:36.11cehtehyes css configurarion
05:36.30cehtehits named 'task switcher *something*'
05:36.41slonopotamusMacer: cssu task switcher by default acts same as maemo one.
05:37.10cehtehon column, 2 cloumn, default
05:38.15cehtehsome things on cssu are just useless playthings .. but some are actually nice :), one has to find out what suits him best
05:38.49cehtehparallax 2.1 makes desktop switching simpler :P
05:38.54Macerawesome!
05:39.09Macerpaeallex?
05:39.14Macerpara
05:39.19cehtehsee cssu config
05:39.45Maceri just set the task switcher to default
05:39.53cehtehthe parallax defines how much you need to swipe over the screen to switch the desktop
05:39.53Macerthank god it was driving me up the wall
05:39.59Macerooooh
05:40.10cehtehwith 2,1 its slightly less than half a screen full
05:40.16Maceris there a fix to the ugly bouncing scrolling in menus?
05:40.31cehtehbouncy scrolling?
05:40.47Macerlike when you use the file manager for instance
05:40.59cehtehthen?
05:41.00Macerit seems a little awkward when scrolling down a file list
05:41.13cehtehnot here
05:41.40cehtehor at least i dont know what you mean
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05:42.03Macerwell.. tapping on it to scroll makes the first selection you touch blink
05:42.30cehtehah .. didnt it do that always? i dont care
05:42.53cehtehi turned on 'fast transitions'
05:43.10cehtehyou can play a bit with different settings
05:45.06Macerah ok
05:45.06Maceri will thanks
05:45.29Maceronce i got that damn nokia su8w working and google syncing.. n900 turned into a monster heh
05:45.49Macerif the cups thing works out i will no longer require a laptop for basic office stuff
05:45.56Macerlaptop in a pocket
05:45.58cehtehstill waits for imap idle support
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05:48.25slonopotamusMacer: what's wrong with n900 builtin kb? (well, except lack of some keys)
05:48.56mikejfCan anyone gibe me some pointers for connecting to a WPA EAP TLS WiFi network?
05:49.50mikejfI can't figure out how to make the N900 use the private key file without using wpa_suplicant from the CLI.
05:58.08Macerhuh?
05:58.15Maceryou cant touch type on it
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05:58.58Macersu8w is a folding portable bt keyboard
05:59.11Macercant type nearly as fast with my thumbs
05:59.47Maceri need to get a replacement keypad for this thing. mine is badly worn. the space key has a bit white blotch on it
06:02.54Macertaking apart the housing to replace it is probably a pain
06:05.02Macerhow do i refresh the movies list?
06:05.20cehtehtracerd should do that automatically
06:05.25cehtehtrackerd
06:05.48cehtehif not there is a tracker configuration applet which lets you do that .. and as well break your system with a click :)
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06:28.25Termanagood morning
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06:36.10Macerhaha
06:36.24Macerwell... doesnt seem to have updated it well. ah well. no biggie
06:36.50cehtehjustb wait .. trackerd ususally starts in the most unconvinient time :)
06:37.20cehtehlike you have 5% battery left, are in the middle of the sahara and have to make an emergency call
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06:40.20cehtehmhmpf .. is there some "show on map" application for geotagged photos?
06:40.37cehtehpreferably integrated in the image viewer
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06:49.26mecehahaha topic!
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07:22.53Macer:)
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07:23.11Macerso i was trying to get nitdroid working when...
07:23.20Macerhides
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07:31.08meceoo.. :D Peter@Maemo Marketing threw a "thanks" in N9 teaser thread. I hope he writes something
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08:21.58Macern9 going to run meego?
08:22.08Maceri honestly havent kept up
08:22.55cehtehmove along, nothing to see here
08:22.58chxMacer: what i heard here it's a maemo backend with a meego ui?
08:23.16cehtehi wont be surprised if nokia makes a turn once again
08:23.23cehtehsymbian, wp7, whatever
08:23.47Macerhaha
08:24.03Maceryeah.. i think i will definately hold off on that one
08:24.14Macermeego ui with a maemo backend?
08:24.38Macerisnt the actual meego based on suse or something?
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08:26.57nid0it has a loose fedora history
08:27.53MohammadAG_Harmattan
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08:28.12MohammadAG_this news is at least a year old
08:29.49cehtehn9 is a dead horse, even before released
08:32.10Macerheh
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08:32.37Maceri think circumstances like this are all up to marketing
08:33.10Macerpeople like you and i could understand why it will suck... the masses just want shiny things with some gfx
08:34.15Macerplus.. regardless of anything nokia probably makes the best quality hardware.. even if i wish their entire board died in a fire on a plane while it was crashing
08:35.50petteriblaah, there are plenty of devs also waiting for n9
08:36.12petterinot expecting it to suck
08:36.15Macerfor now
08:36.31Macerthere were a lot of devs on the n900 as well with high hopes for it
08:36.42petterin900 is best device around?
08:37.26petterii think mostly the heavy user types were dissapointed
08:41.45trxwhat do you guys think so far : http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1010776
08:42.33MohammadAG_chatwindow.cpp:39: error: no matching function for call to 'ChatWindow::connect(QXmppVCardManager*, const char [36], vCardCache*&, const char [36])'
08:42.34MohammadAG_grr
08:44.36RST38h...Heney, 23, was recorded by CCTV cameras stealing the phone from a young woman who had fallen to her death from a car park.
08:44.49RST38hGood moorning, gentlemen
08:44.52trxlol.
08:44.56trxmorning..
08:44.59trx:)
08:46.07RST38hMeanwhile: Nokia's Windows Phones will feature dual-core ST-Ericsson U8500, says STMicroelectronics chief
08:46.26RST38hSeen that U8500-based Meego proto from Nokia? That is where it will go now =)
08:48.32MohammadAG_lol
08:50.57MohammadAG_is it me
08:51.05MohammadAG_or is this guy recording the video with an N950? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qeZY6h9gBVM&feature=player_embedded#at=18
08:52.02MohammadAG_yep, it does seem to be an N950/N9 in the reflection
08:54.35nid0could be
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08:59.26Arkenoii guess it is just n8 or e7
08:59.43RST38hE7 is more like it, it has got crappy camera though
09:00.17RST38hArkenoi: Wait. It can't be E7. E7 has fixed optics so it cannot shoot from this distance
09:00.58Arkenoiso it is n8
09:05.34nid0it also cant be an e7 as the lights in the wrong place
09:05.49nid0and the n8 light is in the right place, but is wider than the one in that reflection
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09:15.27meceinteresting...
09:16.37alteregois not almost packed :)
09:16.54alteregoNeed to print off a few things, tickets etc,
09:17.05alteregocrap must remember to do the online check in
09:18.38SpeedEvilOh jesus.
09:18.51SpeedEvilAnalysing reflections from videos on youtube...
09:18.57SpeedEvilJust wait a week!
09:19.01SpeedEvil:)
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09:19.28SpeedEvilOn an actual on-topic topic. I assume there is no other browser with flash yet on n900?
09:19.36SpeedEvilI've not been keeping up.
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09:21.05meceSpeedEvil, you can activate flash in firefox from about:config
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09:21.39meceSpeedEvil, the buzz is quite entertaining :)
09:22.07RST38hSpeed: flash works in fennex
09:22.15RST38hneed to enable it though
09:23.38meceMohammadAG_, well it's not the E7, (wrong shape led), not X7 (led is too far down) probably not N8 (led is too far down and wrong shape) but N9/50, based on leaky pics from 2010 has led in correct shape and in the right place, so yeah. N9/50 it could be.
09:24.03meceMohammadAG_, pic: http://lh6.ggpht.com/_l07vVnBw3l8/TG1fxfCD1uI/AAAAAAAACGs/OSzLs5yq4KU/s640/Nokia_N9%20%289%29.jpeg
09:25.56SpeedEvilNo lens-cover?
09:26.03SpeedEvilThat's somewhat annoying.
09:26.32meceSpeedEvil, such is life.
09:26.33SpeedEvilThough of course - the hardware is the less interesting bit...
09:26.35meceannoying.
09:26.48SpeedEvilbrutish and short.
09:26.50meceSpeedEvil, well the hardware is interesting too :)
09:26.52SpeedEvilOr something similar.
09:28.44meceMohammadAG_, of course it could be something from another manufacturer too.
09:28.52SpeedEvilOf course - if intel finally get down with the low power stuff - things could change.
09:28.58SpeedEvilXP-phone? :)
09:29.20meceeek
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09:29.44macmaNwhats up all
09:29.50macmaNdoes anyone here use anything to automatically enable bluetooth on incoming call?
09:29.52macmaNit doesn't so far, but i'm not finding any other applicable format string either
09:29.57macmaNehh
09:30.03macmaNnot finding anything from existing packages
09:30.31SpeedEvilI assume leaving it on doesn't work for you for some reaon?
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09:33.36SpeedEvilmece: Thanks - FF
09:34.18macmaNSpeedEvil: battery life isn't that good as it is...
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09:34.27meceoh fuck
09:34.30meceI just found something...
09:34.31mecefuck
09:34.33mecesorry
09:34.54meceOMGOMGOMGOMG
09:34.59macmaNthat reminds me too, i need a bt headset that doesnt take a 5 second press to turn on and off..
09:35.04SpeedEvilmacmaN: I get ~5 days battery life logged into wifi and GSM with the phone idle
09:35.41meceI can now confirm that it's an n9 that he used to film the qtquick 3d.
09:38.43macmaNSpeedEvil: with a standard battery? i listen to mp3s too for maybe an 0.5hr/day avg
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09:39.07macmaNi can get about 3 days to empty
09:39.16SpeedEvilmacmaN: yes - standard battery
09:39.31SpeedEvilmacmaN: About 12h of mp3 before batteries die.
09:39.34SpeedEvilbattery
09:40.47Maceramazon has batteries for sale.. cheap :)
09:41.34Maceri hope my silicon case and screen protectors show up soon. i might get a repair kit and some spare parts for my n900 as well
09:41.39macmaNi dont have a good external charging solution and i think the hotswap strategy on tmo was quite experimental too
09:42.11macmaNan external micro-usb battery pack is something im looking into, but im not able to find anything that is on sale currently. everything seems to be from year 2007+
09:42.14SpeedEvilyeah - hotswap hasn't been done yet.
09:42.18Macerthere is a beast battery
09:42.20SpeedEvilAnd it's at b est a nadty hack
09:42.58Macerwasnt there some ungodly huge battery for an n900 that you could get?
09:43.11Macerit didnt add too much bulk but added some
09:43.12psycho_oreoswas called mugen iirc
09:43.42macmaNi cant change the dimensions, its a fatty device as it is
09:44.12macmaNcan somebody just make a new hardware design and slap maemo on it? instabuy for me
09:44.22Macerhahaha
09:44.29macmaNi wonder if that could be a kickstarter project
09:44.45SpeedEvilmacmaN: You're looking at a large slice of a million dollars.
09:45.03psycho_oreoswith mugen battery it does make N900 look more big.. even some of the hard cases you can buy for N900 e.g. otterbox makes N900 look fatter than orignal
09:45.09psycho_oreoss/orignal/original/
09:45.43Macern8 is symbian?
09:45.46meceyes
09:46.01macmaNmy buddy bought n8. he regrets it.
09:46.05Macerhaha
09:46.08Macerim sure
09:46.22meceI think N8 is nice
09:46.29Macerlast good symbian phone was an n900 or e71
09:46.33Macern95
09:47.28jjoe51 actually and n900 was a really bad symbian phone.
09:47.57psycho_oreoslol N900 = symbian
09:48.09Maceroops
09:48.15Macermeant n95
09:48.34Maceri thought my n95 was pretty ok at the time
09:48.39nid0<3 e90
09:48.45psycho_oreosjjo apparently also made the same mistake or was that meant to be deliberate :p
09:49.12Macerforgot about the e90 but it was way too rich for my blood
09:49.16Macer$1000
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09:49.44nid0I ended up getting mine as a £49 upgrade from my network lolz
09:49.51jjopsycho_oreos: deliberate
09:50.17jjoI think n900 was nice pocket size "debian" computer
09:51.07psycho_oreosand there was other Nxxx series which also ran similar base off debian, along with OM freerunner
09:51.23psycho_oreostoo bad none of those except N900 had phone capability
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09:51.29Macerwow...
09:51.32Macerhttp://www.eketshop.com/goods.php?id=2537
09:51.36Macerawesome
09:51.44psycho_oreosactually my bad OM freerunner does have phone capability but only 2G
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09:52.44psycho_oreosso apart from the fact that N900 would probably suck as symbian wannabe its still better in its own ways than symbian ever wished to be
09:53.39macmaNso there is another full-blown-linux based phone out there? i thought openmoko never got there, but havent been following that at all.
09:54.41Macerthey have a gold replacement housing
09:55.02Macerhm. wonder if the white housing is in the front as well
09:55.04psycho_oreosthere has been a few other linux based phone floating around. I think aava is another one but quite a pricey one
09:55.05macmaNthere is only one way to get female support
09:55.07macmaNpink casing
09:55.20Macerhahahahaa
09:55.21macmaNwhite too, with gold elements
09:55.31Macernaw. there are bedazzled covers
09:55.36Macerthose work better
09:55.49macmaNyoure talking different female groups now
09:56.05Maceri am looking for replacement parts for my n900... for when there arent anymore
09:56.06macmaNthe business woman still likes pink, but no more bedazzled
09:56.07Macer:)
09:56.15macmaNteenager takes either
09:56.18Macerah. i see
09:57.36macmaNbut i finally got my woman to finally start the dark side conversion process
09:57.56macmaN(i.e. on a device even off-hours)
09:58.07macmaNsamsung galaxy tab did it,
09:58.24macmaNthat experience has been good enough to start the conversion
09:58.50macmaNnow the management process is still left. since i still need her to cook :)
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10:03.41thopiekarhi
10:04.06thopiekarwhat would be a good name for a infotainment application?
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10:05.03macmaNInfotainment?
10:05.18macmaNi dont think theres an app by that name yet
10:05.18thopiekarmediaplayer, OBD, etc..
10:05.43thopiekarthinking about naming it pyCarmedia
10:05.54macmaNi still think "Infotainment" is better
10:06.15thopiekari'll google for that to make sure it isn't used
10:06.24macmaNKISS works most of the time
10:07.03macmaNi for one cant help but feel some reluctance whenever i see a langAppBlah name
10:07.10macmaNmakes the app feel hackish and not supported up front
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10:08.16thopiekarmacmaN: thats why I think about renaming it..
10:08.38thopiekarformly this kind of solution is called "In car entertainment"
10:08.55thopiekarmaybe I should call it simply ICE?
10:09.09macmaNnon-obvious
10:09.24macmaNi stick by "Infotainment"
10:09.27macmaNso far
10:09.39thopiekark
10:09.54macmaNmake a name that is immediately understandable in the package list
10:10.08macmaNor at least gives a clue what it is
10:10.12macmaNICE definitely doesnt do that
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10:13.45edheldilis not infotainment something else?
10:13.59MohammadAGmece, you don't have to confirm it, I'm sure it's an N950 :p
10:16.09edheldilmacmaN:  e.g. see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infotainment
10:16.41macmaNwell its not my app, i didnt look into it at all
10:16.51macmaNjust going by the authors thoughts here
10:17.22edheldilah, sorry, thopiekar 's
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10:29.41chem|stdoes someone have intel on http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=70780 ?
10:30.01chem|stwe talked about that issue but afair there was no solution
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10:52.30dashavooOk, can anyone explain this to me?
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10:52.59dashavooMy phone went off to be repaired, and came back with the lock-code reset.
10:53.15dashavoo(reminder: I am the one who had an impossible lock-code)
10:54.11dashavoooh man, I will be so angry if they have put an operator lock on my phone! I read about this company doing that to someone!
10:57.12cehtehthe lock code is certainly not *very* secure .. nokia can flash it over
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10:58.26dashavoohmm
10:58.29cehtehdunno if there are any simlocked n900's around, but thats rather pointless because you an reflash it completely
10:58.40NIN101and everyone else can crack it...
10:58.47crashanddiethere is no simlock
10:59.13cehtehcrashanddie: is no .. or just not used? i bet there is some option for simlocking it
10:59.22psycho_oreosSIM PIN
10:59.51dashavoosim pin? That is the villain that stole spiderman's phone, right?
11:00.52psycho_oreosare you smoking pot or something? SIM PIN can be set on literally any decent phone. It also prompts the user/owner for it before the device can use the services/contacts/details provided by the SIM card
11:00.55dashavooWhy did they put horrible stuff on my screen? :(, scratches were better than this resin stuff they splashed onto it
11:01.15dashavoopsycho_oreos: we weren't talking about sim pin numbers
11:01.26dashavooor at least, I wasn't
11:02.01crashanddieThere is no operator SIM lock on the N900
11:03.20dashavoocrashanddie: phew, that is a relief
11:03.36psycho_oreosand the only way to tell if they put an operator lock on the device is if you try to use another provider's SIM card
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11:05.38crashanddieexcept I've never seen an operator lock on the N900
11:06.23BCMMi haven't even heard of one; is it possible/supported by Nokia?
11:06.28chem|stthe people from the island had something like a country lock... ;) stupid...
11:06.51psycho_oreosneither have I, I purchased my N900 prior to PR1.3 came out, and prior to PR1.3 there were no dialog boxes that allows you to enter to unlock your N900 from operator.
11:06.52chem|stBCMM: possible but was never supported
11:07.00crashanddie"The people from the island"?? What is this, Lost?
11:07.15crashanddiepsycho_oreos, yes, there were.
11:07.38nid0it was either in 1.2 or 1.3 that that unlock option was introduced, it didnt exist originally
11:07.54chem|stcrashanddie: the "not so europe" country on the island northwest of EU
11:07.57psycho_oreosI thought it was PR1.3 but meh
11:07.58crashanddieActually, PR1.1 had it already.
11:08.16crashanddiePR1.2 introduced a label change of the button
11:08.19chem|stvodafone uk requested it afair
11:09.33psycho_oreosthey had their own firmware didn't they? that mob
11:12.23dashavoopsycho_oreos: I think they did
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11:17.08RST38hhemist: About that installer thing
11:17.44RST38hchemist: I think it may be possible to find out the parent(s) f a process and act based on wherher HAM is there
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11:19.49chem|stRST38h: don't tell me... tell him!
11:21.27RST38hchemist: you are the one asking not him
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11:51.52DocScrutinizerdamn, there for sure were SIMlocked N900, you can buy used ones on eBay
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11:54.35DocScrutinizerand why not, the BB5 is used in a plethora of Nokia phones
11:55.43DocScrutinizerever wondered what for all the testpoints under battery?
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11:59.31chem|stthe dpkg -l from harmattan gives a clue about the rx-71, pretty bad o_O
12:00.27chem|stRST38h: sry, was asking to reply there ;)
12:00.38chem|stbut didn't
12:00.57DocScrutinizerrx-71 seems dead
12:01.31chem|stDocScrutinizer: rx-71 == rm686
12:01.56DocScrutinizeruhuh, what did I miss?
12:02.06chem|stthe only thing called rm686 there is the policy-agreement...
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12:02.21chem|stthe stack itself describes as 71
12:02.49DocScrutinizersorry, you completely lost me
12:03.14Macerhaha
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12:03.24Macerlet me try cups on this thing
12:03.37chem|stthere is a dpkg -l * from harmattan at http://people.collabora.com/~tester/pkgs and it is quiet new
12:03.42Macerwish there were an X front end for it
12:04.19chem|stthe descriptions say rx-71 but for policy package
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12:06.37DocScrutinizerwell, rx-71 note in keymap(?) also once suggested it has only two hw-buttons
12:06.54DocScrutinizerwell, 14 actually
12:07.01chem|stDocScrutinizer: hehe
12:07.10DocScrutinizer12 for the usual 0-9#* kbd
12:07.22RST38hThere was also a reference to the 1kWt laser LED.
12:07.53RST38h(ok, there wasn't, but if I were working on it, I would definitely inserted one into headers, just to make everyone wonder)
12:07.55chem|stRST38h: the easter-egg they promised to me as I need that handy at work
12:08.49chem|stthe list is at max 4 weeks old as the google cache shows a different list
12:09.24RST38hAFAIK, RX-71 was an RX-51 prototype board
12:09.28DocScrutinizerI thought they used a gas-discharge laser for that, a smart dual usage of the built-in electron flash
12:09.32RST38hBut I may be wrong
12:09.38chem|stdamn was cached again yesterday
12:10.06RST38hAegis is there
12:10.18chem|stmaybe it is the same board again for testing
12:10.34chem|stas the n900 was reference hardware
12:10.42RST38hLooks like it is coming out on Vodafone
12:10.49RST38hAnd includes Windows Live, of all things
12:11.06chem|stand T9 xinput
12:11.29DocScrutinizer*YAWN*
12:11.39chem|sts/xinput/oscrkbd/
12:11.39DocScrutinizerrealizes it's friday
12:12.53RST38hThere is indeed no Flash Player
12:12.58RST38hNot in this list anyway
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12:13.18chem|stI don't care about flash
12:14.20chem|stat least not if its not a highfrequency discharge flash
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12:25.19DocScrutinizerfeels like beamed back to the time where every day 5 trolls asked here "when will pr1.2 be available?"
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12:26.18edheldilWhen will PR1.2 be available?
12:28.20DocScrutinizerconsiders if meego harmattan isn't maybe a ban'able subject. This is #maemo after all ;-P
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12:29.04crashanddieedheldil, 424 days before your ban was removed.
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12:29.40DocScrutinizerlol
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12:31.22edheldileh :)
12:32.05Macerwtf
12:32.16Macercups wont accept my root password
12:32.23Macerargh
12:32.27crashanddietry: "2girls"
12:32.51DocScrutinizer:-P
12:33.33Macerheh
12:33.42Maceri dont know why it wont accept it
12:34.04DocScrutinizercups borked - using su - ?
12:35.06Maceri am using the web interface
12:35.20Macerit picks up my networked laser printer
12:35.33Maceri can choose it and in the end it asks me for a password
12:35.39DocScrutinizerwell, I recall having issues with the friggin user acounts in cups more times than I'd like to recall
12:36.23DocScrutinizerI think there's been a "trick", but for the life of me I can't remember
12:36.27chem|stDocScrutinizer: harmattan is still m6
12:37.02Macerpeople in forums use easydeb
12:37.08Maceri dont want to use a chroot
12:37.18DocScrutinizeryou don't need to
12:37.29DocScrutinizerI guess
12:37.56DocScrutinizerthe "doesn't accept password" issue is a common one, also on "proper" linux
12:40.27Macerok
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12:42.31DocScrutinizerlsof: WARNING: can't stat() fuse.gvfs-fuse-daemon file system /home/jr/.gvfs  -- just in case anybody ever wnats to know where my hate for g* comes from
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12:43.47DocScrutinizerplus THIS IS A KDE SYSTEM!!eleven11!!
12:45.09DocScrutinizerMacer: you looked at /var/log/cups/* ?
12:47.06crashanddieI just discovered a bug in my company's product
12:47.22Macerwtf
12:47.27Maceri just broke root
12:47.27RST38hcrashanddie: OMG
12:47.34DocScrutinizerlibsasl2, libpam, libkrb... wow this CUPS thing *has* to be secure
12:47.38crashanddieIt only happens every 65536 calls, on wednesdays.
12:47.51RST38hcrash: Is there a specific moon phase required?
12:47.54crashanddieNope
12:48.15crashanddieI have no idea why
12:48.39Macerhm
12:48.49MacerDocScrutinizer: hahaha
12:48.53RST38hcrash: Who cares, just replace all shorts with ints =)
12:49.06Maceri think you have to be in the lpadmin grp
12:49.34Macercan i just edit /etc/group and add user,root to the end of it?
12:50.04DocScrutinizererr, basically yes, though not best practice
12:50.54chem|stN900xray -  not realy?!
12:51.05RST38hchemist: naaah
12:51.21crashanddiebut there is actually a "if (call_id.get_seed() > MAX_SIZE_ID() && dayofweek() == 3)"
12:51.31DocScrutinizerhates fridays, headache, and no milk for coffee
12:51.32RST38hchemist: But I am sure you have got the equipment to test =)
12:51.40chem|stRST38h: was just build...
12:51.48chem|stRST38h: sure I have
12:52.12DocScrutinizercrashanddie: I have a friggin deja-vu
12:52.24RST38hcrashanddie: Is there a comment // We fuck up here, because we can ?
12:52.36crashanddieoh RST38h, no, of course not.
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12:52.43DocScrutinizercrashanddie: you run this prank on us some year ago?
12:52.47crashanddieThe only comments in the code are those where you remove lines but you're not sure.
12:52.48RST38hProbably got deleted by the version control system
12:53.02crashanddieDocScrutinizer, don't think so?
12:53.05chem|stwe are all in prep for tonights "night that creats knowing"
12:53.25chem|stI love translat:google
12:53.31RST38hnotices with morbid satisfaction that the word "Putin" is being replaced by "*****" in rbc.ru forums
12:53.50crashanddieDocScrutinizer, though I wouldn't be surprised if something similar happened a few months ago, yeah
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12:54.17crashanddieBut just looking at the sheer inconsistency of the code is giving me goosebumps
12:54.33DocScrutinizercrashanddie: if this isn't a delusion induced by caffeine withdrawal, then we had a report of an error in code that only happend on particular days of week/month whatever, like months or years ago, here in this chan
12:54.45crashanddieDocScrutinizer, yeah, could be, it's the same dev
12:54.52chem|stin german it is wordplaying as "creat knowledge" is "science" but with a space in between
12:55.02crashanddiewell, I remember pulling out some hairy goofballs of computer science out of his mess
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12:56.07crashanddiethe most beautiful one was checking if a file existed, and then opening another one in read-only, and opening yet another one in write-only, to end up never reading nor writing in either of the files
12:56.11chem|stshould I install?!
12:56.30crashanddieYet still making the system crash because he tried to open a non-existing file, and didn't test the pointer.
12:56.57RST38hchemist: of course
12:57.10RST38hI mean, it won't make your N900 GENERATE xrays, will it?
12:57.34chem|stcould test that as well...
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12:58.06chem|stwith enough power you can get anything to emit x-rays...
12:58.10Macerugh
12:58.14Macerstill cant get it
12:58.31crashanddiechem|st, could you get light to emit x-rays?
12:58.46DocScrutinizerchem|st: even with a deliberate typo? o.O "wissen schaft"  - oh, how I hate those games
12:58.55chem|stI backup first
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12:59.34jaskawell, light of suitable wavelength is x-rays?:)
12:59.54MacerE [20/May/2011:07:56:00 -0500] cupsdAuthorize: pam_authenticate() returned 28 (Module is unknown)!
13:00.00Macerhah
13:00.26DocScrutinizer"die nacht der wissenschaft"  vs "die nacht die wissen schafft"
13:01.14chem|stcrashanddie: x-ray is a form of "light" if light is a wave between 10m^-8 and 10m^-12 wavelength...
13:01.28chem|stcrashanddie: don't play me pls
13:01.32RST38hchemist: by heating it up until its spectrum reaches xray range? =)
13:02.05crashanddieand accelerating its frequency
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13:03.26chem|stDocScrutinizer: the first is a campus only thing the second is from our city projected for science facilities all around the campus... we are located at the "science-mile" the street that passes through between campus and university-residence-area
13:04.15chem|stRST38h: accelerating
13:04.37chem|stRST38h: what he said...
13:04.45RST38hAh
13:04.50chem|stsry distracted over here :)
13:05.03Macergot it
13:05.11Macerbut now i am missing foomatic?
13:05.17Macerwtf
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13:06.23crashanddiethis being said, AFAIK, we don't really know how to manipulate photons, unless you somehow (and I'm really out of my knowledge field here, feel free to correct me) bounce them off electrons, so my initial point still stands: You can't really play with a photon without getting it back to the electron state first.
13:07.23chem|stcrashanddie: gimme light I give you a solar-charged-xray-gun human mountable
13:07.35MacerUnable to start filter "foomatic-rip" - No such file or directory.
13:07.58crashanddiechem|st, and you have to shoot someone 30 times so that it kills him 40 years later, I'll pass, thanks.
13:08.13DocScrutinizerMacer: what's been the problem?
13:08.16crashanddieConsidering I can buy a gun that shoots black powder for a hundred quid, and is legal to own and carry around.
13:08.27chem|stI would estimate 2 weeks to build it, and the guy wearing the suit should be able to handle 60kg for at least 10min
13:09.03chem|stcrashanddie: actualy no about one hit if a head shot
13:09.13crashanddieThe thing that always cracked me up was Superman
13:09.20crashanddieHe was told to have X-Ray vision
13:09.47crashanddieBut..., ok, so his eyes shoot out x-rays, cool. How does his xray retina get the information back, if it doesn't bounce on anything?
13:10.22chem|stx-ray vision does not work with x-rays afaik
13:10.33MacerDocScrutinizer: i got the printer added
13:10.45Macerbut there isnt a foomatic-filters in any repos
13:10.45chem|stit is just a made up name as you can look through like with x-rays
13:10.46Macer:(
13:10.48DocScrutinizerpoints one of the lead rods of his orbital xray laser at crashanddie's position
13:11.11crashanddiechem|st, ok, fair enough
13:11.18crashanddieyet again, it's something that goes through objects
13:11.23crashanddiehow does it bounce back?
13:11.53chem|styeah it is just the name not the technique
13:11.57nid0it only goes through as many objects as you conveniently happen to want it to, then bounces off the next thing back through them all
13:11.58nid0duh
13:12.01DocScrutinizerMacer: yes, but how did you solve the "wrong password" issue?
13:13.08Macerinstalled libpam-modules
13:13.35Macernow i am stuck on foomatic-filters
13:13.50DocScrutinizernid0: sounds like a combination of a ion-gun and a gama detector
13:14.05DocScrutinizergamma*
13:14.25DocScrutinizerMacer: nice. thanks
13:14.30chem|stcrashanddie: don't know if the base is soundwaves
13:15.17RST38hDoc: Will you use the lead road as a ...mhmm... kinetic weapon? =)
13:15.27RST38hs/road/rod
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13:16.36DocScrutinizernah, lead rods are the laser medium of a nuclear powered xray laser that definitely doesn't take 30 years to kill anything, no matter if living or a rocket
13:17.43edheldilcrashanddie:  we (as in ... we Earth ;-)) can manipulate photons with gravity. And you will make x-ray photons from visible-light ones by moving fast enough towards the light source, I think
13:18.09Macerim lost
13:18.22Maceri need foomatic-filters but cssu doesnt have it
13:18.43DocScrutinizeraiui those aren't arch specific
13:19.26Macermeaning i can use an x86 deb?
13:19.28Macer:)
13:19.39DocScrutinizerwell, maybe not directly
13:20.12DocScrutinizerbut you should definitely look into that deb and maybe extract a few files and copy to N900
13:21.08DocScrutinizerI'm not at all sure about that, but it's the idea I'd try
13:22.06Maceri found a deb
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13:22.51chem|stedheldil: accelerating electrons emits x-rays so "accelerating" onto a light source will for sure emit x-rays ;)
13:23.12chem|stand x-rays are visible
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13:25.06chem|sthehe
13:25.45chem|stthe scanner detects if the screen is open or closed and shows a x-rayed n900 afterwards with the right possition - lol
13:26.06Macerhm
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13:41.25DocScrutinizercrashanddie: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategic_Defense_Initiative#X-ray_laser
13:42.29RST38hDoc: Proposed by Edward Teller, who else!
13:42.34KhertanHello !
13:42.40RST38hehlo khertan
13:42.45DocScrutinizerchem|st: you know x-rays will kill your N900 quite fast
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13:45.54DocScrutinizerx-rays are a quite effective way to erase all flash memory. Also the small ones you tend to forget about (ALS, camera, BT, accelerometer, modem[not so small], whatnot)
13:46.20DocScrutinizeralso they kill the microphone, if it's a electret type
13:47.55DocScrutinizerif you're interested, I can send you a link to the ds of mic used in FR, it has detailed info about max kEV and whatnot, that the component can stand for N times
13:48.50psycho_oreosthat would be troublesome for carrying it onboard the aircraft by means of putting the electronic goods on yourself
13:49.52DocScrutinizerpsycho_oreos: well, those x-ray machines are even photo-film safe nowadays, afaik
13:50.23chem|stDocScrutinizer: nvm... yes I know that EM-pulses and X-rays are the most effective things against electronics
13:50.43psycho_oreosthat's good :D otherwise my N900 wouldn't have had a nice journey being exposed to excessive X-rays in a short amount of timeframe
13:52.25KhertanDebate of the day : http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=qeZY6h9gBVM#t=51s < is it an n950 ?
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13:52.51RST38hchemist: Sledgehammer is more effective though
13:53.01RST38hAnd a blender of course!
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13:55.57psycho_oreosKhertan, what the device being filmed?
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14:01.06DocScrutinizereh?
14:01.12Macerwtf
14:01.20Macerwhere does maemo put gcc?
14:01.36DocScrutinizerthere's no gcc on maemo
14:01.37Maceri installed gcc-4.2-base
14:02.47Macerescription: The GNU Compiler Collection (base package) This package contains files common to all languages and libraries contained in the GNU Compiler Collection (GCC)
14:02.55zakkkkm"which gcc"
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14:04.23Macer?
14:04.53Maceri am trying to build foomatic-filters on the device
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14:06.18n951evilbuild-essentials
14:06.27n951evilnot just gcc
14:06.41jaskawhy not on sdk?:)
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14:08.16Macern951evil: there is no build-essentials pkg
14:09.32Macerah well. worked on this for a bit too long as it is
14:09.38Macergoing to take a time out
14:11.06Khertanpsycho_oreos: the reflect on the filmed device :)
14:15.11Macerjaska: i remember the sdk being a total pain
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14:21.02jaskamacer: sortof.. probably slightly less painful than compiling stuff on phone tho
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14:23.14DocScrutinizerKhertan: I suggest searching for details about N9??? in chicken giblets or goose innards
14:23.37Khertan:)
14:23.54Khertanhttp://mobile-review.com/articles/2011/image/ctia2011-2/samsung/phones/3.jpg <<< hum ... finally there is android phone with hw keyboard
14:24.31DocScrutinizeralso white noise aka snow on old unrecorded video tapes might be a good source of reliable info
14:25.11Khertanhttp://mobile-review.com/articles/2011/image/ctia2011-2/htc/8.jpg
14:25.21KhertanDocScrutinizer: of course !
14:26.39DocScrutinizerKhertan: umm, so what's been this: http://handylist.de/images/handys/453/original_Motorola-Milestone.jpg ??
14:26.50derfKhertan: I've had an Android phone with a hw keyboard for 6 or 8 months now.
14:27.14KhertanDocScrutinizer: in fact for the moment i'm more interested by a new battery for my n900 not too much priced but which aren't a fake
14:27.22n951evilmacer build essentials is in the sdk repo.
14:27.27n951evilnot optified
14:27.28Khertanderf: oh ... didn't know there was ...
14:27.42chem|stDocScrutinizer: "even" photofilm? you need a larger amount of energy to see x-ray images on photofilm than with those luminance-films
14:27.51KhertanDocScrutinizer: motorola... i ll never buy a product from them
14:27.58derfKhertan: Droid2 has been out for a while now.
14:28.09derfOf course, it's from Motorola.
14:28.28Khertan:(
14:28.39DocScrutinizerchem|st: luminance-film?
14:29.12Khertanderf: did there is some apps done in python in the stores ?
14:29.21derfGekk if I know.
14:29.32derfI only use it for development.
14:29.44DocScrutinizerchem|st: ancient style x-ray "phosphor" screens?
14:29.48Macern951evil: ah ok
14:29.55Macerlet me add the repo
14:30.10derfFor which the hw keyboard is a godsend... I find it physically impossible to type on the vkb.
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14:30.40KhertanDocScrutinizer: http://www.meegofrance.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Clone-N9-03.jpg ;)
14:30.48DocScrutinizern951evil: who are you, and what's that weird nick?
14:31.23chem|stDocScrutinizer: there is a x-ray-active material with photo-active material mixed in a film - that is what they use today - state of the art is digital
14:31.25Khertanderf: this is why i ask i ll use it for dev only ... but i like to do onboard dev ... so sometime i do python code for the device i use :)
14:31.41Khertanderf: so if i can't release any python app with it ... it  s a no go for me :)
14:32.59DocScrutinizerchem|st: sure
14:33.15chem|stDocScrutinizer: a reuseable chassis-box in the size of the old film boxes to be useable with the older machines too
14:34.08DocScrutinizercosts more than gold I guess
14:34.18chem|stsure
14:34.44chem|stthe weight in gold would be cheaper I guess
14:36.33DocScrutinizerhundereds of 1" camera sensors, plus maybe special leadglass based fibreoptics, dunno what they actually use
14:36.44crashanddieguys, are you seriously still talking about the xray thingy?
14:36.59DocScrutinizerit's friday :-S
14:37.09crashanddieFRIDAY FRIDAY GOTTA GET DOWN ON FRIDAY
14:37.46DocScrutinizerfor now I'm most excited about n951evil and his nick ;-P
14:38.12DocScrutinizernot registered
14:38.20crashanddieYesterday was Thursday, Thursday. To day it is Friday, Friday. We we we so excited. We so excited. We gonna have a ball today. Tomorrow is Saturday, and Sunday, comes afterwooooords.
14:38.23DocScrutinizerwhile speedevil has vanished :-/
14:39.07crashanddieI DON'T WANT THIS WEEKEND TO EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEND
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14:40.43DocScrutinizersounds like a therapeutic song straight from the manager burnout treatment closed facility
14:41.49crashanddieDocScrutinizer, you don't know this song?
14:41.55DocScrutinizerno?
14:42.04crashanddiehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CD2LRROpph0
14:42.22crashanddieMost "disliked" song on YouTube.
14:42.37DocScrutinizerlemme guess why ;-P
14:42.48crashanddieIt's the male version of Justin Bieber.
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14:46.58Khertancrashanddie: i can clearly understand what it s the most disliked
14:48.35Khertancrashanddie: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVlY3ZTrBkw&feature=related
14:48.49crashanddieyeah yeah, I know it :)
14:49.55Khertancrashanddie: there is really many parody ... even metal
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14:51.55n951evildocs: It's just my n900 with a broken n900 xchat as I forgot my password. I'm currently sitting under a tree, waiting for a bus.
14:53.51jaskabetter than sitting under a bus, waiting for a tree.
14:55.15crashanddieBetter than bussing a tree, sitting on a wait.
14:56.07trxlol
14:59.52TermanaWhy are you all obsessing over Rebecca Black when we are all about to die!
14:59.54Termana:p
15:00.12n951evilBecause it's Friday?
15:00.29ShadowJKfriday friday friday
15:00.34TermanaNo it's not. It's Saturday fools
15:00.54chem|stTermana: what do I do at work then?
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15:01.07TermanaTalk to me when your on the right part of the world
15:01.07Termanachem|st, tell your boss to STICK IT
15:01.17Termanathe post it note on the wall that is
15:01.18chem|stup his
15:02.43TermanaBesides, this is all further evidence that the world is ending
15:02.58crashanddieTermana, really, it's already 2187, you're just on the retarded part of the galaxy.
15:03.10chem|stwe got some time left... at least one year and a few month
15:03.14crashanddiethe year 2187, that is.
15:03.19TermanaThe IRC channel is talking about Rebecca Black, thereby the IRC channel has become worse than tmo
15:03.25TermanaMUST BE END TIMES
15:03.28chem|stcrashanddie: actualy 2012
15:03.35Termanachem|st, lol
15:03.40crashanddiechem|st, only if you're a light year away
15:03.49chem|stWTF is Rebecca Black?
15:03.51crashanddiechem|st, we're 2187 here.
15:03.59DocScrutinizerTermana: YOU are talking about that subject
15:04.38DocScrutinizerchem|st: WTF is Alice - that's the correct wording!
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15:04.48chem|stcrashanddie: you are talking about the misscalculations because of 40th birthdays set to 1700 and stuff alike right?!
15:05.07crashanddieI am not.
15:05.13crashanddieI am talking to you from the other end of the galaxy
15:05.17crashanddieHence the difference timestamp.
15:05.31chem|stI am going nuts by learnin ishihara images by heart and you, you talk about Rebecca Black!
15:05.42crashanddieI'm just reading the historical logs from your era, and sending hyper-powerful wifi bursts to earth.
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15:06.01DocScrutinizerI'm talking to you from virtual space, and I tell you your time sucks
15:06.03Termanacrashanddie, I don't believe you. You are still running on a 32-bit machine and it's past 2038
15:06.13crashanddieI'm not running 32-bit
15:06.16chem|stcrashanddie: good morning then!
15:06.27chem|stcrashanddie: lmg 256?!
15:06.40crashanddieOh, and btw, this is how I want to die. Killed by a giant fireman: Oh, and btw, this is how I want to die.
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15:06.46crashanddieWoops, recursion fail.
15:06.47DocScrutinizereven your idea of time is... solly
15:06.50DocScrutinizersilly*
15:07.05crashanddieOh, and btw, this is how I want to die. Killed by a giant fireman: http://media.fukung.net/images/15853/4bb7d70a15ceeaa0aa68188f0a12514f.jpg#
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15:07.10chem|stthere is no time
15:07.23chem|stDocScrutinizer: I know "there is no spoon"...
15:07.26crashanddieThe only measure of a clock in another clock.
15:07.31trxthere is only time
15:07.44chem|sttrx: wrong, there is only files
15:07.49trxspace is a snapshot at a time fragment
15:08.00trxchem|st true :)
15:08.08DocScrutinizerchem|st: hey, you got a glimpse at the truth
15:08.10chem|sttrx: wrong, that is what is left on my sdd...
15:08.42crashanddieTermana, you suffer of koro.
15:08.43chem|stin your case maybe only ssd
15:11.15chem|stand I suffer from cyberbrain sclerosis...
15:11.28DocScrutinizereven spam goes friday madness - got a job offer from "NOBLE RECRUITMENT NIG LTD" "Chevron Nigeria Limited", sender: NOBLE CONSULTANT <redneckchris@gmail.com>   reply-to: noblerecruitment@w.cn  - LOL
15:12.22crashanddie"redneckchris". Seems legit for a "noble" person.
15:12.31DocScrutinizerindeed
15:12.50DocScrutinizerw.cn also looks rather assuring
15:13.13DocScrutinizerno to mention "NIGERIA" at large
15:13.31chem|stew my tachikoma drank natural oil again
15:13.52DocScrutinizersure I'll send my full resume - I'll even include bank account details
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15:14.25chem|stDocScrutinizer: don't forget your credit card details^^
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15:17.26Termanacrashanddie, what are you doing looking at Richard anyway?
15:17.44crashanddiesorry?
15:17.54Termana<crashanddie> Termana, you suffer of koro.
15:18.14TermanaYou're telling me I'm suffering of dick shrinkage
15:18.19TermanaWhat are you looking for anyway?
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15:22.28TermanaYeah, that's what I thought you had to say on the matter.
15:22.37Termana:p
15:22.48crashanddieYou should /nick MrAnderson
15:22.59crashanddieBecause if you keep going like this, in a few minutes you won't have a mouth anymore
15:25.07TermanaAww. You poor little flower. Did I hurt your feelings?
15:26.16crashanddieTermana, good morning: http://media.fukung.net/images/28684/d5da64aa431d57517a2578fe830247f6.jpg
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15:40.59DocScrutinizerTermana: your trolling isn't really amusing most of the time
15:48.15DocScrutinizerhmm, probably I should +q myself, as I'm in a really grumpy mood now
15:48.19DocScrutinizertime for 12648430   ☕
15:48.32keriocrashanddie: haha
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16:03.12lolcatAny news on the N9?
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16:05.22DocScrutinizeryeah, somebody seen a giant version of it (>500ly length) at the border of our neighbour galaxy
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16:07.15DocScrutinizer(somebody picked up a one and hit your head with it)
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16:07.24DocScrutinizerBone even
16:08.45DocScrutinizerthe new 'leaked promo' in 3D, soon to come
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16:23.12lolcatDocScrutinizer: Do you need glasses and a 600hz tv to see it?
16:24.37DocScrutinizerno, it'll use a revolutionary new tech that will show it 3D movie even when printed on a sheet of paper
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16:26.12DocScrutinizerdoes only work for human eye, not for arbitrary cameras etc, as it's using some neuronal effects in retina
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16:52.47BCMMwhat can i do to reduce the n900's power usage, while backing things up over wlan?
16:52.52BCMMi've already removed the SIM
16:55.28cehtehdisable desktop widgets when there are active ones, dont play music, keep display off
16:56.06cehtehdisable gsm maybe too (but standby doesnt suck much power)
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16:57.14cehtehwhen you dont charge, then dont connect usb, that keeps the cpu quite busy too, but i guess you ask because the usb port came loose? :)
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17:00.36Sc0rpiuswhat I would do is backup everything to the microSD card and then take it out
17:00.43Sc0rpiusinstead of backing everything up over WiFi
17:00.53Sc0rpiusand I'm assuming the USB port came loose as well
17:02.05RST38hGoogle has shut down its five-year old effort to digitizes back issues of the world's newspapers.
17:02.18BCMMcehteh: is there a way to make GSM more disabled than it is with no SIM?
17:02.45cehtehmhm no :)
17:02.53BCMMactually, can you make emergency calls without a SIM?
17:02.58Sc0rpiusno
17:03.24DocScrutinizer51BCMM: set wlan TX pwr to 10mW
17:03.26Sc0rpiusI don't think so, but there's an offline mode that turns off all the GSM radio even if the SIM is inserted
17:03.30cehtehold dumbphone once could, but that was abused to often so they dropped support for it
17:03.32BCMMDocScrutinizer51: thanks! forgot about that one
17:03.42BCMMDocScrutinizer51: what effects does that have? simply reducing range?
17:03.50DocScrutinizer51yes
17:04.03BCMMi mean, it won't effect transfer speed, provided it's close enough to the router?
17:04.04cehtehthe normal 'offline mode' also disables wlan .. but there is an applet for switching to tablet mode
17:04.50DocScrutinizer51meh, without SIM there's no need for tablet mode
17:05.11BCMMDocScrutinizer51: that's probably why that applet disappears when the SIM is out
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17:06.06DocScrutinizer51wonders about 911 calls
17:07.46edheldilI think you should be able too
17:08.01DocScrutinizer51not that it matters much, at least here in D, as they switched off the 911 calls without SIM
17:08.48BCMM84.4M   MyDocs/backups/FailedUSB/comm_and_cal.zip <-- what?
17:08.53edheldilmy treo was able to call emergency numbers even without SIM, I have found out when I gave it to my baby daughter while she was crying and she managed by pure luck to dial police :)
17:09.36BCMMedheldil: heh, i've been told that i once called emergency services when i was small too
17:09.50BCMMi mean, too small to know the number, just by mashing buttons on a landline
17:10.02edheldilyes, here it's 112
17:10.20DocScrutinizerand doesn't work anymore, without SIM
17:10.30edheldiland treo's lock was intuitively unlockable by infants
17:10.45BCMMah, the communications and calendar backup seems to contain the profile pics of everybody i know
17:11.00BCMMthat's still bit though
17:11.11BCMMi don't think i have 84 megabytes of facebook friends
17:11.15BCMMs/bit/big/
17:11.16edheldilI think that here it's mandatory, you have to be able to eg call 112 even without credit
17:11.39BCMMah
17:11.44BCMMa copy of my inbox
17:12.05DocScrutinizeredheldil: general requirements say you must be able to call 911/112/foo even when you don't know PIN or lockcode of device
17:12.26edheldilah, true
17:14.07DocScrutinizeredheldil: here in Germany you still can call 112 without credit, but not anymore without SIM inserted (seems they got too many "testcalls" - and never heard of IMEI)
17:19.34lolcatedheldil: NOrway!
17:20.31toresbeYAY NORWAY!
17:20.54toresbeWait, what are we discussing...
17:21.13lolcattoresbe: Emergency numbers
17:22.26toresbeaha. Yeah, 112 is an EU standard.
17:22.39DocScrutinizeractually
17:22.41jaskaalso gsm afaik
17:22.46toresbeEven though Norway has had the good sense to avoid an EU membership (huzzah!) we've still implemented it.
17:22.59DocScrutinizerjaska: not really
17:23.10toresbeYeah. 112 is the GSM standard emergency number.
17:23.24jaskamaybe not de jure
17:23.24toresbeIf your country does not use 112, the carrier is obligated to forward you to the equivalent.
17:23.52toresbeIt works like + for the int'l prefix.
17:24.12jaskaused to be 000 here
17:24.14DocScrutinizertoresbe: the carrier / GSM standard provides a way for ME to query actual emergency numbers
17:25.07toresbejaska: wow, unless you're in Sweden that's a seriously bad idea
17:25.18jaskafinland
17:25.42toresbeHm. Finland uses the standard rotary dial, right?
17:25.52jaskaused
17:26.02DocScrutinizereverybody did ;-D
17:26.05toresbeno, uses, you can still pulse dial on a POTS line, try it. :)
17:26.11jaskayeah
17:26.19jaskai have accidentally dialed 112 with the hook before
17:26.22toresbeDocScrutinizer: Nope. Sweden had 0 at the other end of the scale.
17:26.33DocScrutinizerLOL
17:26.47jaskaiirc 0 was the longest pull on rotary
17:26.53toresbeyep, precisely
17:27.03toresbeDocScrutinizer: And the city of Oslo and New Zealand go 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 0 with ascending number of pulses.
17:27.06DocScrutinizer10 pulses
17:27.24DocScrutinizerOUCH
17:27.34DocScrutinizerinsane
17:27.40jaskahmm.. but 1 was 1 or 2 pulses
17:28.01toresbeYes, 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 with ascending number of pulses is the international standard.
17:28.13DocScrutinizer10 pulses = 0
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17:28.20toresbeyes, everywhere but Sweden.
17:28.25BCMMtoresbe: iirc, touch tone exchanges don't have to support pulse-dialing
17:28.30DocScrutinizershakes head
17:28.37BCMM(though i don't know of a country where they don't)
17:29.13toresbeDocScrutinizer: it wasn't until some time like the 70s or 80s that one could get from one phone company to another by way of direct dialling, so it's not a big a weirdness as you might think.
17:29.20BCMMmy stupidest emergency call was trying to get australian customer services in the UK (roaming)
17:29.30DocScrutinizerBCMM: it doesn't really matter nowadays, as the network signalling is out-of-band anyway
17:29.42toresbein most countries...
17:29.51BCMMthe SIM came with a contact for customer services. i didn't even see that it started with 999 till i rang it...
17:29.53toresbeYou can still hear MF if you know where to listen. :)
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17:30.25jaskamf? i bet they have filters for that most places :D
17:30.26toresbeAn acquaintance of mine managed to get a hold of a US phone number which was all the same digit.
17:30.55toresbeBeing a phone geek, he was very happy about it, until he started getting phone calls with nobody on the other end.
17:31.16jaskabest so far for me was having 0505053666
17:31.17DocScrutinizerHAH
17:31.17toresbeOr baby sounds followed not long after by "Hey what are you doing with that phone over there?"
17:31.20jaskaback in the 90s
17:31.56toresbeHe had to give it up eventually, to his chagrin.
17:32.08DocScrutinizerfuniest thing about pulse dialing were 11/12/13 pulses
17:32.47toresbe?
17:32.54DocScrutinizerquite a lot of funny stuff you can reach on these "numvers"
17:33.29SpeedEvil1There are DTMF equivalents.
17:33.32SpeedEvil1Well - there were.
17:33.45DocScrutinizere.g Germany ha "00" 11th hole in rotary, on the manual international exchanges only
17:33.46SpeedEvil1You used to be able to get stuff on dialing A-F
17:33.48SpeedEvil1A-D
17:34.13DocScrutinizernot anymore afaik, SpeedEvil
17:34.16jaskayeah, i added a switch to my old dtmf phone to dial a-d
17:34.26jaskaand some dtmf phones came with the keys
17:34.36SpeedEvilI know.
17:34.37toresbelike the AUTOVON phones
17:34.38SpeedEvilSee 'used'
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17:34.59DocScrutinizereven some beeper keyrings used for TAM remote
17:35.51DocScrutinizerand it was rather convenient to use those beeper things on public phones built in the pulse dial area
17:36.26DocScrutinizeryou could place call free of charge, though only for 0.5s until the first fee was due
17:38.31DocScrutinizeron airports and railway stations there used to be phones with a board with "shortdial" keys for caling hotels. Those were really handy for placing arbitrary free calls by using DTMF
17:40.53DocScrutinizerme wonders where's the "DTMF generator" app for N900
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17:41.08DocScrutinizervia speakers of course
17:42.30DocScrutinizergood ole 6210 could do this, though quite a tad to low volume usually
17:42.35DocScrutinizerootb
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17:46.10BCMMDocScrutinizer: turns out the bootvid wasn't the version i use on the phone
17:46.23BCMMi have one with the framerate matched to the n900 screen refresh, much smoother
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17:46.33DocScrutinizermhmmmm
17:46.38BCMM(found now that i've got my battery charged)
17:46.42BCMMi'll upload
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17:52.26DocScrutinizergreat
17:52.32DocScrutinizerlo javispedro
17:52.36DocScrutinizero/ bbl
17:52.40javispedroafternoon
17:52.48BCMMDocScrutinizer: smooth version of boot vid: http://benmorris.org.uk/dontpanic.avi
17:52.53BCMMno, that's a 404
17:52.57BCMMttp://benmorris.org.uk/bootscreen/dontpanic.avi
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17:53.27BCMMyou know, i'll give up at this point. add an h to that, i'm clearly not competent to.
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18:02.53BCMMhow does the backup app decide what to include as settings?
18:03.24alteregoJust got on a bus into town, there's only some random guy with an N900 sitting next to me.
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18:04.40BCMMalterego: reckon he's in this channel?
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18:05.12SpeedEvilalterego: I assume you weren't in Scotland?
18:05.14alteregoHeh, he's just listening to music at the moment.
18:05.17SpeedEvilIf so, that was me!
18:05.25SpeedEvilYou aren't a hot girl with purple hair?
18:05.27alteregoNo heading from Bar Hill to Cambridge
18:05.35alteregoSpeedEvil: yes? :P
18:05.58SpeedEvilimagines alterego as a hot girl with purple hair anyway.
18:06.07BCMMthat's the magic of IRC
18:06.19alterego:)
18:06.22alteregohello big boy
18:06.25BCMMi'm looking inside settings.zip, and i really don't get it - is there some system to register your application with the backup app?
18:06.39alteregoIs that an N900 in your pocket or are you pleased to see me?
18:07.19alteregoOkay, that's weird, he's talking to it like a star trek communicator.
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18:08.22alteregoI should have bought out my three and just stuck them to my body
18:11.48BCMMah, one puts files in /etc/osso-backup/
18:12.07BCMMalterego: three star trek communicators?
18:12.13BCMMor three n900s?
18:12.38BCMMdo you carry a cluster for faster calculations or something?
18:12.59MohammadAGno, he wants 9*3 homescreens
18:13.18alteregoYes, 3 N900s
18:14.02MohammadAGthe N900 still sells for about $500 locally
18:15.31alteregoI'm keeping one for a museum peice.
18:15.41slonopotamusthe fact that something sells doesn't mean it is bought...
18:15.53DocScrutinizeralterego: clearly he's using pocketsphinx
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18:34.53jacekowskidoes anybody have a job for me
18:34.55jacekowskiin the UK
18:34.57jacekowskipaid job
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18:42.04ds3Nice
18:43.14GAN900wishes
18:45.41jacekowskiubuntu sucks
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18:51.22DocScrutinizerjacekowski: eeew, welcome to the club :-/
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18:56.56Sicelo_which club DocScrutinizer? seeking employment?
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19:01.19DocScrutinizeryep
19:05.15Sicelo_~DocScrutinizer
19:05.15infobotfrom memory, docscrutinizer is jOERG, a HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko
19:06.03DocScrutinizerwell, that's correct, apart from the fact OM the Inc. doesn't exist anymore
19:08.15Sicelo_ok. i didn't know about OM till i started hanging out in this chan
19:16.24ZogGSicelo_ don;t believe him
19:16.28ZogGhe is a liar
19:16.32ZogGhe is bot
19:16.46ZogGsup Doc
19:16.54ZogGit reminds me of bug bunny
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19:22.40Sicelo_who's lying ZogG ?
19:22.53Technomikehey guys :D
19:23.00ZogGDocScrutinizer,
19:24.53Technomikefinally got my n900 back from Nokia Care. The USB port came out of the phone. They just did a replacement and have given me a whole new N900.
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19:26.31*** kick/#maemo [ZogG!~halley@openmoko/engineers/joerg] by DocScrutinizer (you forgot the <irony> tags)
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19:27.33DocScrutinizerSicelo_: nevermind ZogG
19:28.39ZogGDocScrutinizer тщ шкщтн =)
19:28.49ZogGno irony
19:29.12DocScrutinizerbadmouthing won't earn you karma
19:30.18ZogGDocScrutinizer i'm not a karma whore
19:30.27ZogGdamn iPhone sucks
19:30.37ZogGi can't even sync music as any app needs hal
19:30.41ZogGhal is so yesterday
19:33.02DocScrutinizerZogG: you know why you're not yet kickbanned? Just because it's been me you called a liar, and I'm very reluctant to (ab)use chanop power when it's about me. Do this to anybody else and I promise you'll be banned faster than you can ponder to add "just kidding"
19:33.43ZogGDocScrutinizer are you F serious?
19:33.52DocScrutinizeryes, dfinitely
19:34.04ZogGthan i can't help you
19:34.07ZogGsorry for you
19:34.36Cor-Aihehe why is the rum gone? hehe because i drank it all! hehe
19:34.48ZogGor you probably forgot me and what and how i write or you have women's days in a month right now =)
19:35.35DocScrutinizerZogG: it's NOT about me - it's about the other 371 users here
19:35.52ZogGDocScrutinizer i do love you but right now you acting like a childish jerk if you even considered to take it seriously
19:36.02DocScrutinizerwho most likely don't get your screwed humour
19:36.13ZogGDocScrutinizer do you really care what anyone will think of you over internet?
19:36.25DocScrutinizerdefinitely
19:36.38ZogGor you really need to prove to those 371 user (as we don't count) who you are and what you worth
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19:36.41DocScrutinizerand you're a fool if you don't
19:36.48ZogGi do not care
19:37.44ZogGok, Sicelo_, actually DocScrutinizer is one of the guys who do understand a lot in hardware and did help me a lot and he is smart and good guy, i'm just fooling around
19:37.49DocScrutinizertomorrow my next customer will google for my email and irc nicks, and I don't like him to find a "doc is a liar" in chanlog
19:37.56ZogGSicelo_, i'm serious here
19:38.06ZogGDocScrutinizer, now i restored your honor and you can ban me
19:38.17DocScrutinizerI won't now :-)
19:38.24ZogGbut i do want
19:38.38ZogGas you are acting too serious and it's boring
19:38.47ZogGi used to you being Skynet
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19:39.51DocScrutinizerskynet is deterministic, even for the pseudorandom human factor implemented for your convenience
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19:57.41Macerhow do i extract a .deb?
19:57.47Macerso i can get a file out of it
19:58.04Maceri am trying to find a non-foomatic ppd file to use on the n900
19:58.20Macerfor the life of me i can't find a foomatic that will work on the n900 :(
20:00.23Sicelo_xarchiver should be able to do it
20:01.00DocScrutinizerMacer: mc did a great job for me
20:02.59DocScrutinizerMacer: but all those CUPS filters rely on quite a number of converter tools, which maybe aren't included as RDEPENDS in CUPS.deb for fremantle
20:02.59Macerar vx does it
20:03.00Macer;)
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20:03.17Maceroh
20:03.24Maceryeah well then.. i guess i give up on cups on the n900 :(
20:03.29DocScrutinizerat least that's my 2 cents
20:03.42Maceri was able to add the printer but without foomatic it is useless
20:03.46DocScrutinizerMacer: you should talk to the maintainer of the package
20:04.14Macerthere is no foomatic pkg ;)
20:04.18Maceror do you mean of cups?
20:04.34DocScrutinizerit's a sane assumption he packed a .deb that did something useful for him
20:04.45Maceri suppose
20:04.52Macerthere are probably printers that do not require foomatic
20:04.56Macerfoomatic is called by the ppd
20:04.57DocScrutinizerI meant the n900-cups maintainer
20:05.12Maceryeah i will. ther is a forum about it but it wasn't very useful
20:05.19Macerjust people with the same problem but no solid solution
20:05.28Macersome were saying to use a different ppd file but i can't seem to find one
20:06.50DocScrutinizerdepends on printer I guess. I know for a lot of printers there are alternative ppd which don't use foomatic but maybe gutenprint or even other tools to convert (cups noob speaking here!)
20:07.22Macerheh. i will keep looking
20:07.32DocScrutinizerwhat's your printer model?
20:07.34Macerbut i am pretty sure foomatic is the norm
20:07.39Macerbrother hl-2170w
20:07.55Maceri was trying to find an alternate one but can't seem to find it
20:07.57DocScrutinizerhmm, brother seems to have usually good support in cups
20:08.53DocScrutinizerwell, the simplest solution is to ask n900-cups maintainer to build a foomatic pkg for you, or a cups pkg that contains foomatic
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20:09.39DocScrutinizerif he's just a bit concerned about his pkg, he will either find an alternative for you, or provide a fixed update
20:12.28jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: you're not working too?
20:12.43DocScrutinizerright now, nope
20:13.05DocScrutinizerjust for you all day and night :-)
20:15.43DocScrutinizerBrother/HL-2170W-pxlmono.ppd.gz is the file it suggests to me for this printer
20:15.56DocScrutinizeralas the only file, no alternatives
20:16.32MohammadAGhttp://jobs.intel.com/deu/jobs/ ?
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20:23.27DocScrutinizerMacer: there's also a lot of CUPS+Gutenprint, CUPS+omni, and BR3 ppd files for Brother printers
20:24.16DocScrutinizeryou *might* find a semi-compatible one, for e.g the next better/smaller model of your series
20:31.14DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: http://jobs.intel.com/nuremberg-deu/system-verification-engineer/76703/job/  THANKS
20:32.05DocScrutinizerthough I think those guys are paper fetishists, and I only got references, but really few papers
20:32.48DocScrutinizer(actually none since flat burndown :-/ )
20:33.48MohammadAGI'd give it a shot anyways :)
20:35.34DocScrutinizeryeah, it's matching ~90%. Better than usual
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20:38.09DocScrutinizereven location :-D - while still a lot of traveling which I like quite a bit
20:38.20MacerDocScrutinizer: well. that seems like way too much work
20:38.29Maceri think i might actually install the cssu sdk and try to build foomatic
20:38.42DocScrutinizergoooood plan :-D
20:38.44Macerbut that's a whole new can of worms that is going to have to wait
20:39.31DocScrutinizerask MohammadAG what he's thinking about cups and foomatic. Maybe he can spot some idiocy in dependencies or whatver
20:40.06DocScrutinizerI'm just searching webwide for pkgs for you
20:40.29Macerok. i will when i get the chance
20:40.38Maceri might be able to build a printing support abiword too
20:40.39Macerand gnumeric
20:40.48Macerthose are my goals. ;)
20:41.08Macertoo bad i have absolutely no coding experience
20:41.18Macerotherwise i would probably go out of my way to build a ton of stuff for maemo
20:42.01Macerbut i have a kubuntu box i'm sure making the sdk work on it shouldn't be too tough
20:42.16Macerjust never really did it before. i'm guessing it just uses some sort of arm emulated chroot?
20:43.13MohammadAGwell, I haven't integrated gtk with cups yet
20:43.20MohammadAGI still need to ping X-Fade about that
20:43.33MohammadAGwe need a build-depends CSSU
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20:44.10DocScrutinizer>>
20:44.11DocScrutinizerfoomatic-filters - Filter Scripts Used by Printer Spoolers
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20:44.13DocScrutinizerFilter scripts used by the printer spoolers to convert the incoming PostScript data into the printer's native format using a printer and driver-specific, but spooler-independent PPD file.
20:44.32Macer?
20:45.01MacerDocScrutinizer: is that a maemo pkg?
20:45.11Maceri was looking all over for one.. i didn't see one
20:46.07DocScrutinizerobviously not, it's the package found searching for foomatic on my x86 machine
20:46.23Maceroh
20:46.30DocScrutinizeranyway the magic word in there is "scripts"
20:46.33Maceri thought you had some obscure maemo repo heh
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20:46.58Macerwell.. the filter is a script i'd assume.. probably calls it from the ppd and runs certain commands through a foomatic wrapper
20:47.12DocScrutinizeryo
20:47.29Maceri would rather get foomatic working and see about adding the printer support to maemo apps
20:47.45Macermost linux ppds call on foomatic for laser printers
20:47.49DocScrutinizerProvides:
20:47.51DocScrutinizerfoomatic-filters = 4.0.1-2.1
20:47.52DocScrutinizerfoomatic-filters(x86-32) = 4.0.1-2.1
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20:48.32Macergot my bt keyboard working.. all i want is a self contained office suite in my pocket that can print :)
20:48.58Macerif i had enough skills i  wish i could make a front end for cups
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20:49.06DocScrutinizerRequires: libm.so, perl, a2gs(!!), libgs.so
20:49.07Macerinstead of having to use the web interface heh
20:49.13DocScrutinizerplus defaults
20:49.25Macerdoesn't cups install perl and libgs?
20:49.34DocScrutinizerdunno
20:49.35Macerin maemo
20:49.59Macerheh.... well.. this is a task that is going to require a weekend off.. i work tonight so maybe in my 3 days off i can get the sdk going and see about building thigns
20:50.22Maceri've never pkgd before so it will be a nice little learning experience.. maybe i can even set up my own little macer repo heh
20:50.34Macermaemo.rancorous.net
20:51.16MohammadAGpersonal repos ftl :p
20:51.20DocScrutinizerwe could ask MohammadAG if he's willing to give foomatic-filters a shot
20:51.27Macerlol
20:51.30Sicelo_~ftl
20:51.30infobotFor the Lose!
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20:52.31DocScrutinizerit's a separate pkg, so no direct dependencies to CUPS
20:52.45DocScrutinizermight built right away
20:52.51DocScrutinizerbuild
20:52.58MacerMohammadAG: i figured it was just a matter of time before nokia cost cut maemo.org out
20:53.05Macerdont they still own it?
20:53.28Maceri wanted to archive it all but i only have a few TB of space here
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20:54.37MoonTigerhi guys :)
20:54.44MoonTigeris this the right place for N900 questions?
20:54.54DocScrutinizerthe only right place :-D
20:55.00Maceras long as it isnt a nitdroid question
20:55.02Macerhahaha
20:55.10DocScrutinizerindeed
20:55.19MoonTigerhehe cool ... got mine today ... late to the party but after feeling burned by the N810 i hesitated
20:55.24MoonTigernow i see what the fuss was about
20:55.48DocScrutinizercongrats, enjoy
20:55.53MoonTigerwhy the f**k did they abandon this device/os?
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20:56.12MacerMoonTiger: because they are stupid :)
20:56.19DocScrutinizerthey didn't *really* just stopped active development
20:56.20MoonTigeranyways ... quick question... i cannot find the blessn900 camera package in the repos ... am i doing something wrong?
20:56.25Macerand ms was widdling their os into nokia
20:56.43MoonTigeri really didnt expect it to be this good after the N810 ... but wow
20:56.49DocScrutinizerumm, yes. You probably are missing extras-devel repository
20:57.05MoonTigeris it safe to enable that for normal use?
20:57.19DocScrutinizerdepends on your def of "safe"
20:57.32MoonTigerwell i am a dev but i would like my system to mostly work :)
20:57.47DocScrutinizera lot of pkgs in there are higher quality than some crap that made it to extras
20:57.54MoonTigeri run arch linux on my main systems so a little leading edge is good
20:57.59MoonTigerok cool
20:58.03DocScrutinizerso no worries :-D
20:58.10MoonTigerjust be smart before allowing a massive update right?
20:58.18DocScrutinizeryes
20:58.26MoonTigercool thnx
20:58.42DocScrutinizerand thoroughly check each aspect of your system after installing things from devel
20:58.43MoonTigeri wrote the lil maemo google calendar applet for the N810
20:58.50DocScrutinizernever install bunch of things
20:58.51MoonTigerthink i might try to update it for the N900 now :)
20:59.06DocScrutinizergreat!! :-D
20:59.30MoonTigerand qt is the target platform right?
20:59.43DocScrutinizeryou'll gasp to learn what's in devel and testing
20:59.55MoonTigerok so i should enable both those repos
21:00.19DocScrutinizertesting not really needed if you got devel
21:00.24MoonTigeri know someone took over the project i started .... i auth'd him to do so
21:00.29MoonTigerok
21:00.32DocScrutinizeras the version in devel always is newer
21:01.34MohammadAGMacer, merlin1991 has backups
21:01.41DocScrutinizerjust one good advice: test the bare bones device/OS for a week or so, to get a feeling for how it's supposed to feel&work like
21:03.37DocScrutinizera lot of users installed/enabled crap on day0, and then claim "the N900 is power hungry and has standby of <8h" while it's their skype, or battery-eye, or whatvere crap that's causing that
21:04.29DocScrutinizera lot of it from extras, not devel ;-D
21:04.48MoonTigerok just added the repo
21:05.03MoonTigerwhats the story with the USB connector thing these days?
21:05.24DocScrutinizeradding the repo alone usually doesn't hurt (except for HAM getting slow like geotectonics)
21:05.38MoonTigeryah im seeing that now :)
21:05.49DocScrutinizerstill you shall take darn care not to break it
21:06.19DocScrutinizernever aply levering force to the USB plug
21:06.40MoonTigerright
21:06.49MoonTigeri filed off the hook things on the cables too
21:07.00DocScrutinizerwell, I didn't
21:07.23MoonTigeris there some way to make it stronger *before* it breaks?
21:07.32MohammadAG<MoonTiger> and qt is the target platform right?
21:07.33DocScrutinizermy USB works just nice now, even for force needed to un/mate
21:07.37MoonTigeroh and im geting an error from: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/
21:07.43MohammadAGQt or Gtk, doesn't matter if you want it only on Maemo 5 :)
21:07.55MohammadAGGtk apps start and repaint faster, Qt is easier to work with imo
21:08.03DocScrutinizerit is
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21:08.57BCMMdo Qt apps still start slower if there is already another Qt app running?
21:09.07MohammadAG500ms
21:09.10DocScrutinizerMoonTiger: you might find some tiny useful bits there: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools
21:09.11MoonTigeri guess the qt libs have to load right?
21:09.17MohammadAGat least that's the fastest I could get my mediaplayer to start
21:09.31MohammadAGtests his facebook app
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21:10.29MoonTigerinteresting ... so the CSSU is recommended?
21:10.39DocScrutinizererrrrr, not yet
21:10.49MohammadAG945ms
21:10.53MoonTigerpauses over the button
21:10.58MoonTigerok
21:11.01DocScrutinizerlatest version introduced some nasty bugs
21:11.12MohammadAGstill blames Qt upstream
21:11.20Macerhaha
21:11.20DocScrutinizersure
21:11.27DocScrutinizerbut that doesn't help cssu
21:11.44MohammadAGtrue, and #qt sucks in terms of Qt-related help
21:11.50MohammadAGyou know, building, bug fixing etc
21:11.56DocScrutinizerso KICK IT, MohammadAG
21:12.09MohammadAGpinged w00t three times or something
21:12.17DocScrutinizerwhat's with the cssu-semistable I requested
21:12.18MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, better idea, gimme two days
21:12.37MohammadAGachipa mentioned Qt 4.7.4 being "interesting" maemo-wise
21:12.43GAN900Ah, finally the stupid laptop fan isn't 100% all the time now.
21:12.54DocScrutinizer(as our cssu SID is called "testing" which I think is odd anyway)
21:13.05MohammadAGlast time a fan bugged me it spun its last spin
21:13.15MohammadAGpulled the plug on it
21:13.27DocScrutinizerLOL
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21:13.40DocScrutinizershoot the bastard!
21:13.45MohammadAGfunny enough, the desktop runs at 34C without it, so no harm done
21:14.00DocScrutinizero.O
21:14.14DocScrutinizerI assume it's not been the CPU fan then
21:14.22MohammadAG40-50 under load
21:14.40GAN900It's actually reasonably quiet at full speed
21:14.43MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, I think I unplugged all fans once
21:14.54MohammadAGit ran quite well, not sure if I plugged them back in...
21:15.06GAN900But I don't particularly need the laptop running at 40C all the time.
21:15.17MohammadAGmy laptop boots up at 40
21:15.19MoonTigerthnx guys ... bbl :)
21:15.26MohammadAGgoes up to 80 sometimes...
21:15.32MohammadAGoh wait
21:15.38MohammadAGGAN900, shouldn't you be using F? :P
21:15.47GAN900Not for computer temps.
21:16.22GAN900If I can run the fan at level 2000RPM and get 48C versus 3500 and 40, well.
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21:19.31MohammadAGthe number of reboots hotswap saves is awesome
21:19.35MohammadAGthanks DocScrutinizer for that
21:22.04BCMManyone know what uses MyDocs/.maps and MyDocs/.map_tile_cache?
21:22.17BCMM(doing backups, care about maep; don't care about Ovi)
21:24.09DocScrutinizerheh, when my CPU got throttled @ 100°C, I finally had to remove the new fabric plastic my laptop invented and manufactured inside, and now it's down to 40° again
21:24.35BCMMhate laptops.
21:25.08DocScrutinizerBCMM: you hardly can tell who's using it. Tendencies are for all map apps to share same cache
21:25.27MohammadAGor just string the binaries!!!1
21:25.29DocScrutinizerwhich is a rather sane thing
21:25.41BCMMDocScrutinizer: is there a standard format for the cache, or a library or something?
21:25.50DocScrutinizerbut not all map apps are already doing it
21:25.59BCMMi know there are a few different apps that use the same libs as maep
21:26.10DocScrutinizerdunno about lib, seems there's some sort of common format
21:27.02DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: won't a lsof do, while running the app in question?
21:27.52DocScrutinizerlsof|grep <appname>
21:28.05BCMMok, i've got a backup from the backup app, and everything i want from MyDocs, and my ~/bin/ directory with scripts, and my custom bootvid - what have i missed?
21:28.26DocScrutinizerrootfs :-P
21:28.41BCMMi'm not going to do a complete copy of hte filesystem.
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21:28.58DocScrutinizerwhy not, it's only 220some MB
21:29.24BCMMmaybe i should
21:29.33DocScrutinizersure
21:29.40BCMMhow useful is it?
21:30.18BCMMi mean, how would i go about restoring it, if the phone had been flashed clean?
21:30.25BCMMi have no idea how kernels and booting works
21:30.26DocScrutinizerlater on you'll curse when you're missing your LED patterns set up with pattern editor and stored in /etc/mce/mce.ini - or whatever random other detail
21:30.39BCMMgood point
21:30.54BCMMactually, that's only an argument for keeping /etc/
21:30.59BCMMwhich i should really do actually
21:31.05BCMMcustom sshd config and so on
21:31.23DocScrutinizer/etc is about 98% of what'S worth backup
21:32.04DocScrutinizersome stuff might hide under piles of crap in /var
21:33.58DocScrutinizeralso /var has lots of symlinks to eMMC so it's not a good idea to backup indiscriminately
21:35.04BCMMi sort of figure that a mostly-clean start from time-to-time isn't a bad thing
21:35.24BCMMespecially since i've got some trouble from having used apt-get upgrade
21:35.47DocScrutinizer:nod:
21:35.48BCMMi'm just working out the details of the compromise
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21:35.59BCMMhmm, how does restoring
21:36.09BCMMthe application list from the backup program work?
21:36.14DocScrutinizerworks
21:36.32BCMMi mean, will it carry over apt-get upgrade -related mistakes
21:36.37DocScrutinizerexcept for apps that have vanished from repo meanwhile, of course
21:36.51DocScrutinizerno, it won't
21:37.02DocScrutinizerafaik
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21:37.37BCMMah, just looked at the file format
21:37.48BCMMpackage names only
21:37.56BCMMwell, that and some truely superflous XML
21:37.58DocScrutinizerand repo list
21:38.05BCMMthat's a seperate file
21:38.08DocScrutinizerk
21:38.24BCMMi suppose this XML would help in the case that an application name included a \n
21:38.36DocScrutinizernfc
21:38.44DocScrutinizerXML is en vogue
21:38.51DocScrutinizer:-P
21:39.04BCMMseriously, it's starts with <backup>, then every line until </backup> is like <pkg>openssh</pkg>
21:39.15DocScrutinizerhahaha
21:39.24BCMMpersonally, i think i would've opted for a simple file of package names, seperated by newlines...
21:39.34DocScrutinizersure
21:40.15DocScrutinizeryou got a DTD?
21:40.41DocScrutinizermaybe there are unused easter eggs in the format
21:41.00DocScrutinizeranyway, who cares
21:41.33Macerhm
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21:41.37DocScrutinizeras long as it's 'plain text' and not a friggin binary dump
21:41.37Macernot for nothing...
21:41.48Maceris there a way to backup the entire phone?
21:41.49BCMMDocScrutinizer: nah, <backup> is literally the first line
21:41.59BCMMDocScrutinizer: oh, it's no trouble, but it's funny
21:42.06DocScrutinizerMacer: backup-menu
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21:42.15Macerbackup-menu?
21:42.17Macerheh
21:42.23DocScrutinizerpkg backupmenu
21:42.29DocScrutinizera special bootmenu
21:42.30BCMMlike, that generation for whom the first cool thing they learnt to do with a computer was write HTML? they're allowed to design things now.
21:42.36Macernot to throw it out there but i mean.. something similar to android recovery
21:42.38Macerducks
21:42.44Maceroh. ok. let me take a look
21:43.09DocScrutinizerwill tar up your / and /home
21:43.15DocScrutinizerand restore
21:43.43Macerbroken packages
21:43.46DocScrutinizercourtesy robbiethe1st
21:44.02DocScrutinizeruh?
21:44.12Macer<PROTECTED>
21:44.12MacerE: Broken packages
21:44.20Macerheh
21:44.25DocScrutinizererrr
21:44.54DocScrutinizerinstall bootmenu first
21:44.56Macertrying to install bootmenu-n900 fais
21:44.59Macerfails
21:45.09DocScrutinizeruse an older version
21:45.26DocScrutinizerI seem to recall they "fixed" sth recently
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21:46.25DocScrutinizerfundamentally breaking API (i.e. directory structure and parameters for calling backupmenu)
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21:47.18DocScrutinizerwell, it's been a real mess so probably they did the right thing. I only hope for robbie to update backupmenu now
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21:52.18DocScrutinizerhttp://paste.debian.net/117518/ worked for me last time I tested. I guess you should use a way newer backupmenu
21:52.51MohammadAG<DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: won't a lsof do, while running the app in question?
21:53.04MohammadAGI'm not sure about lsof, never worked properly on the N900 tbh
21:53.23TechnomikeMohammadAG
21:53.55TechnomikeI cannot find your sociality app. Is it definetly still in extras development
21:53.57Technomike?
21:54.10DocScrutinizero.O lsof didn't work properly?
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21:57.59DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: how much would it bug you to try and build foomatic-filters for fremantle?
21:58.18MohammadAGTechnomike, yes, I don't push to -testing
21:58.34MohammadAG-testing's concept was nice, till it started requiring votes
21:58.49DocScrutinizer~extras-testing
21:58.49infoboti guess extras-testing is the maemo testing repository, or http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2011-05-19.log.html#t2011-05-19T16:27:37
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22:01.23MohammadAGhah
22:01.40MohammadAGmost
22:01.48MohammadAGmost N900s I've seen had -devel enabled
22:02.33SpeedEvilTesting is a good concept - but it doesn't really work with a tiny pool of testers who are often not motiovated for various reasons.
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22:05.46DocScrutinizersee chanlog ^^^
22:06.14Technomikehmmm can't find it. going to refresh catalogues...
22:06.48MohammadAGjust add -devel already
22:06.59SpeedEvilneeds more battery life.
22:07.12DocScrutinizer*cough* what's that?
22:07.17DocScrutinizerReading package lists... Done
22:07.18DocScrutinizerW: Conflicting distribution: http://repository.maemo.org fremantle-1.3 Release (expected fremantle-1.3 but got )
22:07.19SpeedEvilI was around and about today with 2 batteries, and ran out.
22:07.20DocScrutinizerW: Conflicting distribution: http://repository.maemo.org fremantle-1.3 Release (expected fremantle-1.3 but got )
22:07.21DocScrutinizerW: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
22:08.03MohammadAGSpeedEvil, I run out with 4 batteries
22:08.19SpeedEvilI need to make a leetle battery pack.
22:08.50DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: has cssu issues? with apt-get update?
22:09.05MohammadAGnope
22:09.56DocScrutinizerwhat's that ^^^ then? repos down?
22:10.06DocScrutinizeror borked?
22:10.35MohammadAGthat's extras
22:10.47MohammadAGpaste your sources.list.d/* files
22:10.54DocScrutinizeror do I have to enable cssu repo to make apt-get update work?
22:11.05MohammadAGnope, apt-get update works fine
22:11.11MohammadAGyour sources.list files are borked it seems
22:11.18DocScrutinizero.O
22:11.20MohammadAGW: = warning anyway
22:12.09DocScrutinizerwhich sources.list?
22:12.16DocScrutinizerFQN please
22:12.28MohammadAGall I guess, /etc/apt/sources.list is usually empty
22:13.09MohammadAGcat $(find /etc/apt/ -name "*.list") | pastebinit
22:15.06DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: http://paste.debian.net/117520/    jr@halley:~> cat /home/jr/Documents/N900/backup/IroN900/etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list | netcat paste.dyndns.org 1234
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22:15.42DocScrutinizerno other file there
22:15.59MohammadAGhas deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel fremantle free non-free
22:16.17MohammadAGalso, remove -testing
22:16.23MohammadAG-testing is a subset of -devel
22:16.41MohammadAGapt will prefer -devel, meaning you're wasting time in each apt-get update
22:16.45DocScrutinizerI think I already did
22:17.03MohammadAGchange fremantle-1.3 to fremantle
22:17.07MohammadAGafaik it's not available for -devel
22:17.13DocScrutinizero.O
22:17.33DocScrutinizerI never ever edited anything there
22:18.23DocScrutinizerbut indeed, those don't exist afaik
22:18.41DocScrutinizerneither for devel nor for testing
22:19.27DocScrutinizerwonders what he's doing during the time others would call sleeping
22:19.56DocScrutinizerOMFG
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22:20.11MohammadAGyou see me awake...
22:20.22MohammadAGI'm pretty sure others are awake
22:21.55DocScrutinizernah, http://joerg.cloud-7.de/repositories.install is clean
22:23.14Macerit is 5pm in chicago
22:23.24Macerwhy would people be asleep?
22:23.26Macerheh
22:23.37MohammadAG1:23 AM here
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22:23.42Maceroh
22:23.48Macerwell... then nm
22:23.54Macer:)
22:24.09Maceri'm wondering if installing the sdk is possible in natty
22:24.19DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: WTF? can you doublecheck my steps please?
22:24.27Maceronly boxes i have are ubuntu 11.04
22:24.36DocScrutinizerjr@halley:~> ll /home/jr/Documents/N900/backup/IroN900/etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list
22:24.37DocScrutinizer-rw-r--r-- 1 jr users 460 19. Mai 22:42 /home/jr/Documents/N900/backup/IroN900/etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list
22:25.02Macerit would be nice to have a login to the phone
22:25.07Macerlike kdm or gdm :)
22:25.13Macerand more than just user as a user
22:26.00DocScrutinizerjr@halley:~> grep devel /home/jr/Documents/N900/backup/IroN900/etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list
22:26.01DocScrutinizerdeb http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel fremantle-1.3 free non-free
22:26.21DocScrutinizersorry, nonsense
22:27.02MohammadAGchange those to fremantle
22:27.11DocScrutinizerIroN900:~# grep devel /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list
22:27.12DocScrutinizerdeb http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel fremantle-1.3 free non-free
22:27.25Macerheh
22:27.31DocScrutinizerstill in HAM I have an absolutely proper definition of devel
22:27.48DocScrutinizerWITHOUT -1.3
22:27.55MohammadAGlol
22:28.02MohammadAGthen remove the extras line
22:28.06MohammadAGextra*
22:28.18DocScrutinizerwhich extra line?
22:28.18MohammadAGHAM reads from an xml file btw
22:28.22Macerhm
22:28.25MohammadAGnot /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*
22:28.25DocScrutinizerAHAAA
22:28.43MohammadAGso I guess removing the line from the list file and reopening ham should rewrite the xml
22:29.10MohammadAG/etc/hildon-application-manager/catalogues
22:29.20DocScrutinizerI'd think something should rewrite the /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* when I edit catalogs in HAM
22:29.34MohammadAGyeah, HAM does that from the xml file
22:29.46DocScrutinizernot always though, it seems
22:30.57Macerah well. going to take a nap
22:31.05merlin1991morning
22:31.34merlin1991macer the backups MohammadAG mentioned are @ http://87.106.163.159/maemo/
22:32.13DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: http://pastebin.com/6AtRHLnY
22:33.19DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: might cssu have caused HAM not to update /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*
22:33.48Macerhuh?
22:34.20Macermerlin1991: ah. those are repo backups?
22:34.32merlin1991yep complete apt-mirrors
22:34.42Macerfor when nokia shuts down maemo.org :)
22:34.51Maceri am sure it is a matter of time
22:35.02Macerhow big is all of it?
22:35.07merlin1991lemme du it
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22:35.41merlin199181 GB
22:36.14Maceroh.. wow that is pretty small
22:36.24Maceri should back it up locally
22:36.42DocScrutinizerand even has old pkgs that got removed on nokia repos afaik :-D
22:36.52Macerheh. like chromium?
22:36.57Macer:)
22:37.13Maceri thought it would be larger
22:37.27Macerthis weekend i am going to work on maemo.rancorous.net
22:37.31DocScrutinizerI think it's just large enough :-S
22:37.45jacekowskii have some backups as well
22:37.47Macerheh... 80GB is peanuts nowadays
22:37.53jacekowskibut cleaned up sometimes
22:38.02DocScrutinizernot on my disks ;-)
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22:38.31Macerhaha
22:38.40DocScrutinizerok, I have one 160GB here, but it's mostly filled with backups now
22:38.45merlin1991it has everything that was there on feb 16 and everything that got added since then
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22:39.26Macer/dev/sda1             6.3T  1.4T  4.9T  22% /mnt/Storage
22:39.32Macer;)
22:39.41DocScrutinizer8-)
22:39.44merlin1991it adds about 540 mb per day
22:40.15DocScrutinizerwaves
22:40.18Macerwell.. i would like to make a local maemo dev box
22:40.33Macerso hopefully it will work
22:40.42Maceron my quad core amd opteron hahaha
22:41.00Macerold school dual socket 940 box
22:41.12Macerwith its awesome pci-x areca raid
22:41.19DocScrutinizerLVM?
22:41.26DocScrutinizeror what's that sda1?
22:41.42jacekowskiraid0 probably
22:41.47Macer8 x 1TB hw raid5
22:41.54DocScrutinizermhm
22:41.57DocScrutinizernice
22:42.01merlin1991btw DocScrutinizer fremantle-1.3 not existing for -devel? what's that then: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle-1.3/
22:42.18Macernice enough for a good maemo dev project server
22:42.22Macer;)
22:42.41Maceralthough i am not sure how well my upstream would handle it
22:42.51DocScrutinizermerlin1991: I have N F C :-o
22:42.56Maceras a matter of fact i have never really tested my upstream
22:43.25merlin1991whoises Macers ip and rapes the http port
22:43.30merlin1991;)
22:43.34Macerhahahaaha
22:43.46Macerthanks :)
22:44.12merlin1991it's quite funny how different upstream is even withing the same provider having the same deal in the same flat
22:44.56merlin1991we switched our all in one router we got from the provider to a generic modem, and the upstream tripled
22:44.58DocScrutinizermerlin1991: maybe those are symlinks, while for extras1.3 it's a really separate thing from extras?
22:45.10merlin1991yea they look like symlinks to me
22:45.12DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: ^^^ ?!
22:45.19merlin1991but at least it should work with fremantle-1.3
22:45.27DocScrutinizer^^^
22:46.30merlin1991my apt-mirror.list for example uses fremantle-1.3 for -devel too
22:46.30merlin1991http://pastebin.com/NyWGCiHY
22:46.53DocScrutinizerI'm lost on that friggin warning, on why my /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* isn't in sync with  /etc/hildon-application-manager/catalogues, on why there are *-1.3 for testing and extras anyway, and I'm out for booze now
22:47.07merlin1991gl :)
22:47.48DocScrutinizerand all I planned was updating backupmenu to test the recent version :-S
22:47.51Macerheh
22:48.37DocScrutinizerl8r folks
22:49.51Macerwow
22:49.56Maceronly 200KB?
22:50.00Macerthat cant be right
22:50.05MohammadAGthey are, on extras, not -devel or -testing afaik
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22:55.29Macerhm
22:55.41Macerwow my upstream only gives 300KB/s
22:55.47Macerfriggin lame
22:56.05Macerthat does not sound like the 12mbit i am supposed to get
22:59.50Macerdamn thing is giving me only 4.77 upstream?
23:00.01Macertomorrow SOMEONE is getting a call
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23:09.14nox-:)
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23:24.35MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, maemo.org down?
23:27.14DocScrutinizerno idea. Is it?
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