| 00:03.51 | GeneralAntilles | Engadget |
| 00:04.03 | GeneralAntilles | What's with everybody screaming for WP7 shit on all of the Nokia/MeeGo articles? |
| 00:04.28 | gabrielhidasy | because WP7 has killed maemo |
| 00:04.45 | alterego | meego killed maemo |
| 00:04.50 | alterego | Well suffocated it |
| 00:04.55 | GeneralAntilles | Nah, Nokia board and Canada killed Maemo. |
| 00:04.59 | gabrielhidasy | both of then |
| 00:05.13 | alterego | WP7 is killing Nokia's FOSS envolvement. |
| 00:05.38 | gabrielhidasy | nokia was my favourite company, however |
| 00:06.08 | gabrielhidasy | dealing with microsoft and with the devil is not so diferent |
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| 00:07.56 | pupnik | baseball bat to kneecap |
| 00:08.04 | pupnik | lol |
| 00:08.17 | SpeedEvil | Maemo got killed way before microsoft. |
| 00:08.36 | SpeedEvil | Intel killed Maemo. |
| 00:08.42 | SpeedEvil | And nokia open-source. |
| 00:10.13 | gabrielhidasy | well, this is the maemo channel and it is not death, only stunned |
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| 00:12.11 | GeneralAntilles | and slowly suffocating in its own bodily fluids. |
| 00:14.08 | pupnik | still best phone OS :) |
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| 00:19.43 | Serpher | Can anybody awnser a few questions I can't find out on my own about service in Toronto with the Nokia N900? |
| 00:21.08 | chx | Unlikely. Call Wind. |
| 00:21.56 | Serpher | Bell has it I know but Bell is...Bell. Wind wouldn't work for me cause I'm too far from Toronto to get reliable service so I'm told. |
| 00:22.47 | chx | Bell? |
| 00:23.02 | chx | Bell uses Band V, N900 uses Band IV |
| 00:23.09 | chx | you mixed something up. |
| 00:23.36 | chx | Wind or Mobilicity is your only options. |
| 00:26.02 | Serpher | The Bell store said they were getting some in and it supported 3G and everything. |
| 00:28.38 | chx | Then go to that Bell store and ask them to browse on the N900... |
| 00:29.02 | ShadowJK | they could browse on 2g |
| 00:29.05 | Serpher | They were out, were getting more on Friday but I guess I could check it out then. |
| 00:29.09 | chx | ShadowJK: good luck |
| 00:29.15 | chx | ShadowJK: Bell does not have a GSM network |
| 00:29.27 | chx | ShadowJK: they have an ancient CDMA and a modern Band V WCDMA |
| 00:29.41 | chx | ShadowJK: The phone won't even be able to authenticate to the network. |
| 00:30.01 | chx | Serpher: heck, you know what, make a call :D |
| 00:30.09 | chx | Serpher: that's not the N900 |
| 00:30.16 | chx | Serpher: isit o the Bell website? |
| 00:30.17 | chx | Serpher: where? |
| 00:30.50 | chx | Serpher: it's well hidden http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=site%3Abell.ca++n900&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq= Father Google can't find it either. |
| 00:31.10 | Serpher | A physical store they have. |
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| 00:31.50 | chx | You seriously believe this? |
| 00:32.00 | chx | they have misunderstood what you asked, that's it. |
| 00:32.36 | wazd | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-KfxrI1NXg |
| 00:32.41 | wazd | whawhawha?! |
| 00:32.48 | Serpher | I asked like a bunch of times "The Nokia N900 running Maemo?" "Yeah, we just starting selling it a few months ago, really popular" |
| 00:33.33 | SpeedEvil | Sigh. |
| 00:33.39 | SpeedEvil | Customer services lie. |
| 00:33.48 | SpeedEvil | First rule of fight club. |
| 00:33.48 | chx | Serpher: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_Mobility |
| 00:33.59 | chx | Serpher: HSPA+ 850 and 1900 (Launched November 4, 2009) |
| 00:34.06 | chx | Serpher: i do not even know about that 1900 |
| 00:34.30 | Serpher | I'm pretty clueless about cellphone technology so this is all greek to me xD If you want to relate it to any normal networking protocols that will work. |
| 00:34.50 | chx | Serpher: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_N900 and here iit says UMTS 900/1700/2100 |
| 00:34.59 | chx | Serpher: and ... that's the end of it for you. |
| 00:35.12 | Serpher | Mobilicity will support me though? |
| 00:35.16 | chx | yes |
| 00:35.19 | chx | they will |
| 00:35.36 | chx | Mobilicity throttles the data so be careful |
| 00:35.48 | chx | check howardforums on that |
| 00:36.18 | chx | Wind reserves the rght to throttle after the first 5gb and they also block a number of ports |
| 00:36.38 | chx | but, moiblicity makes sure you wont be able to watch streaming vieo. |
| 00:36.53 | chx | (youtube normal works but higher bandwidth? no way) |
| 00:37.03 | Macer | that sucks |
| 00:37.23 | chx | Welcome to Canada, the land of mobile service sucks |
| 00:37.37 | chx | at least wind and mobilicy have sane prices for the data |
| 00:37.39 | Serpher | Mobilicity has a $10 unlimited data plan @_@? |
| 00:37.40 | Macer | :) |
| 00:38.06 | Macer | bell has 50% of the market share at 6M |
| 00:38.07 | chx | https://www.orderrogers.ca/rocket/data-plans |
| 00:38.08 | Macer | ? |
| 00:38.15 | chx | look at those prices. |
| 00:38.26 | Macer | not a big canadian demand huh? |
| 00:38.42 | Serpher | We're just pushovers and too complacant |
| 00:38.49 | Serpher | We need to complain more and stop being panises |
| 00:38.54 | chx | right |
| 00:38.54 | Serpher | pansies* |
| 00:39.09 | Serpher | Jesus, those prices are high =X |
| 00:39.23 | Macer | dont most cap at 5GB? |
| 00:40.09 | chx | Macer: not in general |
| 00:40.22 | chx | Macer: with 5c per mb Rogers will be SO happy if you consume 5gb. |
| 00:40.24 | pupnik | The Drake vs the Hydra - Mayer uncovers the story behind the illegal wiretapping http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2011/05/23/110523fa_fact_mayer?currentPage=1 |
| 00:42.08 | Macer | 5c??? |
| 00:42.10 | Macer | omg |
| 00:44.05 | chx | well some cable companies wanted $2 per gigabyte..... |
| 00:44.10 | chx | this is Canada, my friend. |
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| 01:00.59 | DocScrutinizer | 2$/GB? sounds just sane |
| 01:02.34 | DocScrutinizer | here we can't get uncapped data, all carriers providers limit at 5GB (/month) the latest. Those dataplans are usually ~20â¬. You can get 1GB for 10EUR |
| 01:02.48 | GeneralAntilles | yawns. |
| 01:02.54 | GeneralAntilles | Is it Saturday yet. . . . |
| 01:03.01 | DocScrutinizer | passes coffee to GeneralAntilles |
| 01:03.18 | pupnik | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:03.19 | SpeedEvil | I'm especially amused that one of the UK providers has chosen to offer an actually unlimited service. |
| 01:03.28 | SpeedEvil | They still sell an 'unlimited' - limited service |
| 01:03.39 | SpeedEvil | The real unlimited one is called 'all you can eat'. |
| 01:04.47 | DocScrutinizer | sorry, I just read "cable", missed that. WTF?!!?!?!! |
| 01:05.35 | DocScrutinizer | so our German 3G is as expensive as as Canadian DSL?? o.O |
| 01:06.10 | DocScrutinizer | HELL |
| 01:07.25 | chx | nah they shot that one down |
| 01:07.52 | chx | there was http://www.dslreports.com/r0/download/1623145~cea3aea2fb8c9d31f7ec4f246faaac34/4494_57 this campaign |
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| 01:16.25 | dangergrrl | well, tmobile's "unlimited" service bites after you hit your quota for the month on the first day |
| 01:16.51 | dangergrrl | it still kinda works but pandora won't even stream |
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| 01:53.25 | SpeedEvil | Somewhat off-topic. Does anyone happen to have an xrandr commandline setup for rotating the screen so it is rotated 60 degrees right? |
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| 01:54.45 | pupnik | it can do that? |
| 01:54.50 | SpeedEvil | yes. |
| 01:55.22 | SpeedEvil | hmm - I must have been tireder than I thought last time I looked at xrandr manpage. It looks comprehensible this time. |
| 01:57.29 | pupnik | how about a manpage viewer that puts most common examples at top |
| 01:57.50 | SpeedEvil | To be fair, that's not really a common request. |
| 01:58.10 | pupnik | yepa |
| 01:58.16 | SpeedEvil | A manpage viewer that puts the topic you want at the top would be truly awesome. |
| 01:58.27 | pupnik | i tilt the laptop |
| 01:58.38 | pupnik | heh |
| 01:58.38 | SpeedEvil | I want to comfortably read the screen while lying flat. |
| 01:58.53 | pupnik | 90 degrees too much? |
| 01:58.57 | SpeedEvil | However - it's a desktop screen, and tilting it may make it fall over. |
| 01:58.58 | SpeedEvil | yeah |
| 01:59.02 | pupnik | oh |
| 01:59.43 | SpeedEvil | I find it more comfortable not to have my head quite horizontal. |
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| 04:18.32 | DavidePalm | anyone here use queen beecon? |
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| 04:27.04 | DocScrutinizer | sure |
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| 04:35.33 | DavidePalm | DocScrutinizer hey, just trying to understand basics... so I need to add a new widget of queen beecon for each commend I want to run correct? |
| 04:35.37 | DavidePalm | command* |
| 04:35.52 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 04:36.39 | DavidePalm | ok, I'm trying to setup a command to turn my cellphone radio on and off at specific times of the day, not sure if it can be done... |
| 04:37.05 | DavidePalm | I know I can set a command to recur daily... but I would have to start it at the exact time I want it to occur... is that the only way? |
| 04:37.44 | DocScrutinizer | err, aiui QB is for executing cmds on pushbutton triger, not at a specific time of day. You'd probably want to use package alarmed for that |
| 04:38.05 | DavidePalm | ah ok |
| 04:38.17 | DavidePalm | thanks |
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| 05:03.21 | xd13 | got that scud battery for my n900 shit is f'n amazing |
| 05:03.37 | xd13 | even though it came from china had a very nice box n all |
| 05:03.54 | xd13 | getting really good battery life, no overheating on it very happy |
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| 05:20.30 | cehteh | needs a new battery too |
| 05:21.09 | cehteh | chem|st: do you want to order some? |
| 05:22.53 | cehteh | well i have my bike dynamo charger now .. seems to work fantastic :) |
| 05:26.31 | Macer | is 3.5G what is marketed as 4G? |
| 05:28.46 | slonopotamus | are you talking about wireless or hdd? |
| 05:29.47 | Macer | wireless |
| 05:29.58 | Macer | maemo says 3.5G |
| 05:30.17 | Macer | is that "4G" ? |
| 05:31.33 | slonopotamus | maemo terminology: gpsr-2g, egde-2.5g, umts-3g, hsdpa-3.5g |
| 05:31.51 | slonopotamus | *gprs |
| 05:31.56 | Macer | heh |
| 05:32.05 | Macer | so... yes? |
| 05:32.39 | slonopotamus | i dunno what your marketers mark as 4g |
| 05:33.08 | Macer | hspda |
| 05:33.24 | slonopotamus | hsdpa |
| 05:33.27 | Macer | well... actually.. hspa+ |
| 05:34.07 | slonopotamus | according to wikipedia, 4g is some other thing |
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| 05:37.06 | slonopotamus | who cares how it is called... |
| 05:38.00 | MohammadAG | Macer, 3.5G is 3.5G |
| 05:38.14 | MohammadAG | 4G is LTE afaik |
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| 05:41.44 | ds3 | what's WiMax? |
| 05:42.09 | slonopotamus | ds3: highspeed wireless standard |
| 05:42.25 | ds3 | in the language of 'G's |
| 05:42.38 | ds3 | 3.9G? |
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| 05:57.17 | MohammadAG | ds3, I thought that was 4G |
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| 06:02.51 | ds3 | MohammadAG: it is all merky. some places say the LTE the successor to WiMax so that would seem to make it 3.9G |
| 06:03.36 | ruskie | LTE is 4G |
| 06:03.38 | ruskie | has been |
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| 06:03.43 | ruskie | WiMax has been around for a while |
| 06:03.57 | ruskie | it's like wifi on 'roids or something along those lines |
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| 06:13.16 | ds3 | just forget about these stupid G's and call out exactly what it is |
| 06:13.20 | ds3 | would be so much easier |
| 06:13.44 | Macer | MohammadAG: tmob doesnt use lte |
| 06:13.59 | Macer | they use hpda+ i thought |
| 06:14.07 | Macer | hdpa |
| 06:14.21 | Macer | heh. i get the letters jumbled |
| 06:15.21 | Macer | i believe whoever makes the standards allowed them to market what they use as 4G if the tech has the potential to reach the standard's speeds |
| 06:16.21 | Macer | which is why i asked if 3.5G in maemo is what is being marketed as 4G by tmob |
| 06:16.34 | Macer | even tho android phones say H |
| 06:16.43 | Macer | not 4G |
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| 06:28.15 | mece | GaaaaaH! |
| 06:28.32 | doc|home | my thoughts exactly! |
| 06:28.33 | mece | want N9/50 frakking NOW!! |
| 06:29.20 | doc|home | mece: does it exist? |
| 06:30.22 | doc|home | all I can find is a silly teaser |
| 06:30.31 | mece | doc|home, well something exists. If it doesn't, then I want the fictional N9/50 frakking NOW! |
| 06:32.25 | doc|home | I hope it's real, just so I can buy a decent phone before they fuck it all up with windows |
| 06:32.33 | doc|home | pardon my french |
| 06:32.36 | doc|home | night |
| 06:32.52 | mece | doc|home, o/ |
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| 07:48.05 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
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| 07:48.58 | Sicelo_ | morning Jaffa |
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| 08:17.08 | chem|st | I am not close to you anymore but Treibholz is still |
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| 08:49.20 | mece | wtf.. WSEGL_UseHWSync=1 does nothing, right? |
| 08:50.43 | MohammadAG | it syncs frames so they all take the same time |
| 08:50.56 | MohammadAG | without blurs, it makes the framerate epic, and the device may crash |
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| 08:55.48 | RST38h | Moo. |
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| 08:59.54 | RST38h | ...When the substance is heated or disturbed enough it will burst and print an area about 3m from the center of the blast with random latin characters, with no coherent paragraph, sentence or word patterns. |
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| 09:08.24 | jani | RST38h: skilled observer may also notice small flames bursting here and there inbetween the characters. |
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| 09:11.55 | MohammadAG | jani, they would also notice two spaces between two words :p |
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| 09:16.58 | jani | lol |
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| 09:39.44 | mece | MohammadAG, oh. so it actually does something. That's nice. This was one of the things that worked on some devices, and not on others iirc.. |
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| 09:50.04 | mece | MohammadAG, hmm.. seems everything is a lot slower now with WSEGL_UseHWSync=1 |
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| 10:15.35 | MohammadAG | mece, then you have blur enabled |
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| 10:19.05 | mece | MohammadAG, how do I disable it? |
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| 10:19.29 | mece | I thought the symbian/meego choice in that thing that time disables blur |
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| 10:24.09 | ruskie | hmm I wonder if the N9 will actually get a usable handset UX... |
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| 10:24.57 | Jaffa | ruskie: I think it'll be better than the one Nokia contributed to meego.com; but suspect it'll feel different (simpler?) to N900 :-/ |
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| 10:26.08 | ruskie | Jaffa, well I'll have to play with it... |
| 10:26.24 | ruskie | I might get it... but I think I'll still prefer the N900 over it |
| 10:26.36 | ruskie | if I do get it it'll be via contract... |
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| 10:27.57 | ruskie | and of course it depends on what I can do with it to see if it's actually a viable N900 replacement |
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| 10:29.36 | Jaffa | Yup |
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| 10:30.16 | Jaffa | And I still use my N810 with Navicore as a GPS (car mount + offline maps/search/nav) |
| 10:30.21 | chem|st | do we know yet if its capacitive or resistive? |
| 10:30.38 | ruskie | most likely useless cap |
| 10:30.58 | chem|st | developer device != cap those idiots |
| 10:31.15 | chem|st | why do I need cap if there is a hardware keyboard |
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| 10:31.49 | chem|st | all the good painting and sketching apps for nothing then... |
| 10:31.52 | ruskie | all the cap devices I tried so far by friends/coworkers that have them that say ow great it works so great etc... *shudder* couldn't have been more useless |
| 10:32.04 | chem|st | +1 |
| 10:32.26 | Jaffa | N8 is OK with cap, but it took a while to get used to not using finger nails. Cap on iPad is very good, possibly because larger screen means less precision needed |
| 10:32.30 | ruskie | from the ipod touch various droids... even a symbian device(I'm assuming it is cap) |
| 10:32.45 | chem|st | a friend suffers from taking off gloves by -40°C anytime he uses the phone |
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| 10:33.02 | ruskie | hahaha |
| 10:33.06 | trx | lol |
| 10:33.19 | ruskie | I actually managed to use the N900 with leather gloves on |
| 10:33.20 | trx | that's gotta suck |
| 10:33.44 | chem|st | cap is only on one case logical, and that is for an outdoor mobile to have it highly scratch resistant |
| 10:33.45 | ruskie | those tend to not be the best for precission usually since they have some extra material sewed in and around |
| 10:33.59 | mece | I used N900 with gloves on this winter a lot. |
| 10:34.17 | ruskie | and of course the ability to use a stylus... +++++++++++++ |
| 10:34.39 | ruskie | even though I hardly use it |
| 10:34.58 | chem|st | there are styluses but why do I have a proper 3 in one stylus... |
| 10:35.00 | ruskie | I also still wonder how people manage to lose their styli? |
| 10:35.28 | chem|st | ruskie: that and how to navigate on websites without... |
| 10:35.55 | ruskie | well a fingernail can do it amazingly well |
| 10:36.06 | chem|st | the UI is fingerfriendly but the time it gets into editorial work on pdfs and websites I need the stylus |
| 10:36.07 | ruskie | a finger... if it's the only link under the finger... it'll work |
| 10:36.20 | ruskie | else you'll get a random link from the area |
| 10:37.10 | Jaffa | ruskie: My N900 stylus is beginning to get quite loose. May switch to my other one. |
| 10:37.28 | trx | i lost my stylus :( |
| 10:37.44 | ruskie | how |
| 10:37.50 | ruskie | how do people manage to lose them |
| 10:38.10 | trx | someone used it and didnt put it back |
| 10:38.22 | trx | i picked up the phone from the table and left :) |
| 10:38.43 | chem|st | trx: that "someone" never gonna happen |
| 10:39.00 | ruskie | I haven't lost the stylus on the palm m105, nds xl, n900 |
| 10:40.00 | trx | and now of course.. try and buy a n900 stylus in serbia ;) |
| 10:40.30 | chem|st | and I have only light scratches on the screen only visible in the right angle of light and there only if looked at from the side... but I do not put gum-foil in my pocket with it nor keys nor do I put it in a bag with other stuff... |
| 10:41.10 | ruskie | trx, hehe might be able to get it in slovenia |
| 10:41.30 | ruskie | chem|st, ahh I have a privacy screen protector on mine |
| 10:41.48 | ruskie | it's like 2-3mm thick... just enough to fill up the bevel around the screen |
| 10:42.03 | ruskie | limits the viewing angle to directly in front of my eyes |
| 10:42.06 | trx | ruskie well, i can probably buy it in Belgrade (the main city) but its 180KM away.. |
| 10:42.08 | chem|st | no screen protectors no bag no nothing |
| 10:42.11 | ruskie | so must say no scratches at all |
| 10:42.17 | trx | and i dont know where so.. :) |
| 10:42.29 | chem|st | thats barely one mm but ok |
| 10:42.30 | ruskie | trx, yeah I know Belgrade is the capital of serbia ;) |
| 10:42.46 | ruskie | chem|st, the bevel? |
| 10:42.48 | ruskie | well |
| 10:42.53 | ruskie | it just looks thick no matter how I look at it |
| 10:42.57 | chem|st | trx: no webshops? |
| 10:43.22 | trx | chem|st there are, but no luck.. |
| 10:43.30 | ruskie | trx, remember used to be the capital of yugoslavia ;) and slovenia was part of that |
| 10:43.44 | trx | you are from slovenia? |
| 10:43.46 | chem|st | just order it from somewhere in europe, they surely ship to you |
| 10:43.58 | ruskie | [12:41:09] <ruskie> trx, hehe might be able to get it in slovenia |
| 10:44.19 | trx | so, you get it in slovenia, and send it to me :D |
| 10:44.39 | ruskie | it would probably get lost in the mail |
| 10:44.58 | trx | yeah :/ |
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| 10:45.58 | ruskie | chem|st, as for europe shipping... good joke... unless you're part of the first 12 eu countries there is no guarntee you'll even get a shipping to... and if that it could cost quite a lot |
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| 10:46.22 | trx | yeah |
| 10:46.31 | ruskie | apparently slovenia is a risk for shipping to... so they charge higher... even though we're in the EU |
| 10:46.35 | trx | and paying is a problem too |
| 10:46.41 | trx | we dont have paypal here |
| 10:46.54 | ruskie | moneybookers gives you a mastercard for 10 eurs |
| 10:46.55 | trx | and i dont like to give out my credit card number.. |
| 10:47.01 | ruskie | prepay mastercard |
| 10:47.04 | ruskie | so you load it up |
| 10:47.07 | ruskie | and use it |
| 10:47.12 | trx | didnt know about that |
| 10:47.15 | ruskie | that's what I use |
| 10:47.30 | trx | ill ask arround about that, thanks |
| 10:47.36 | ruskie | www.moneybookers.com |
| 10:47.47 | ruskie | or ask any of the banks if they offer prepay master or visa cards |
| 10:49.44 | trx | yeah, ill try that hopefully they have it |
| 10:50.13 | ruskie | I just went with moneybookers myself since they offer online payments as well(similar to paypal) |
| 10:50.45 | ruskie | and because none of the banks here really offer anything like that |
| 10:51.03 | ruskie | I prefer to use money I have... not money I have to pay back next month that I used previous month |
| 10:52.15 | trx | my bank does have a special master card that is just for online payments |
| 10:52.44 | trx | and i have it, but dont like to give out the number to everyone.. |
| 10:53.20 | ruskie | yeah it sucks if you have a pay after use card |
| 10:53.29 | MohammadAG | I'll try to get hildon on the N9 |
| 10:53.35 | MohammadAG | Cordia's kind of stalled atm |
| 10:53.57 | MohammadAG | or a Qt rewrite of it |
| 10:54.15 | trx | Qt rewrite of hildon? |
| 10:54.55 | MohammadAG | would be nice to have on tbh :p |
| 10:55.38 | ruskie | http://www.reghardware.com/2011/05/18/e_ink_epson_retina_display/ <-- hmm |
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| 10:56.42 | joga | bah...they should call 'retina displays' something that actually puts an image directly to your eye |
| 10:57.03 | ruskie | hehe |
| 10:57.08 | trx | yeap, would be nice to have electronic lenses :) |
| 10:57.10 | joga | and I've been waiting for ages and still no consumer product that does that |
| 10:57.20 | trx | (actually usable) |
| 10:57.23 | ruskie | I'd be happy with a HUD in the glasses |
| 10:57.38 | joga | it's silly, we haul around big monitors and have projectors and whatever and all we should need is some tiny thingy in the eye |
| 10:57.41 | joga | (or brain even) |
| 10:57.41 | ruskie | and a camera to superimpose data around |
| 10:57.41 | joga | :p |
| 10:57.49 | trx | these are still too big and cost too much :) |
| 10:58.01 | ruskie | I don't want a direct brain interface |
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| 10:58.18 | ruskie | I have enough problems getting coherent thought out |
| 10:58.23 | joga | I thought the US army had such a retinal projection thing in the helmets of eurofighter pilots |
| 10:58.28 | ruskie | I'd probably crash everything around me with one of those... |
| 10:58.35 | joga | or was it eurofighter...anyway the high-tech fighter |
| 10:58.37 | trx | i would like to be able to write software for the brain :) |
| 10:58.52 | trx | and put a small wifi antenna on my head :) |
| 10:59.01 | ruskie | joga, probably a normal HUD projected on a display in front of the eye |
| 10:59.03 | joga | and unless I'm mistaken, this fighter headset thing was *in the 90s* |
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| 10:59.10 | ruskie | stuff that is available |
| 10:59.13 | ruskie | just still costs |
| 10:59.24 | trx | costs like hell |
| 10:59.28 | joga | ruskie, the pilots allegedly said that they wanted a virtual representation of the cockpit because they could see through the plane |
| 10:59.28 | ruskie | trx, mmm virii in the brain... |
| 10:59.47 | ruskie | trx, not that much |
| 10:59.53 | ruskie | iirc 1000 usd or somewhere in that area |
| 10:59.55 | ruskie | still a lot |
| 10:59.57 | trx | i mean quality ones |
| 10:59.58 | ruskie | but not like hell ;) |
| 11:00.14 | ruskie | I'm looking for usable first |
| 11:00.22 | ruskie | if it isn't usable quality is pointless |
| 11:00.40 | trx | i actually found some for arround 400 usd |
| 11:00.48 | trx | but their quality was poor |
| 11:01.04 | chem|st | ignorant idiots on TMO again... |
| 11:01.11 | ruskie | chem|st, what else is new? |
| 11:01.31 | ruskie | chem|st, btw what are you refering to? really hates trying to figure out what the refernecs are to |
| 11:02.08 | Jaffa | ruskie: Possibly the N9 teaser thread |
| 11:02.54 | chem|st | some guys writing that 300% speed howto, "we don't need no disclaimer... anyone on TMO should know that devel stuff can harm... I don't care" |
| 11:03.01 | ruskie | hahaha |
| 11:03.05 | trx | lol |
| 11:03.14 | chem|st | Jaffa: lol no |
| 11:03.55 | chem|st | Jaffa: there I just gave infractions to some dude double posting cursing on nokia (did't cause of nokia but the language used) |
| 11:05.11 | Jaffa | chem|st: Cool |
| 11:05.24 | Jaffa | chem|st: Not that my vote counts anymore :-) |
| 11:05.34 | chem|st | ? |
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| 11:06.57 | ruskie | I wish nokia would actually diversify in more mobile OSes... |
| 11:08.42 | Jaffa | ruskie: *More*? Because Symbian, Maemo/MeeGo & WP7 isn't enough?! |
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| 11:09.58 | ruskie | Jaffa, yes more... |
| 11:10.20 | ruskie | or actually actually make more maemo/meego devices |
| 11:10.30 | ruskie | and they should have had this 5 years ago |
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| 11:19.58 | ruskie | love the english in that 300% thread as well |
| 11:21.32 | chem|st | o/ |
| 11:21.48 | ruskie | overcloak... I wonder what that is... |
| 11:21.54 | ruskie | sounds an interesting thing to wear |
| 11:23.09 | SpeedEvil | Overcloaking is wearing too many cloaks. |
| 11:23.19 | SpeedEvil | This can make you too hot, and cause reliability issues. |
| 11:24.05 | SpeedEvil | It can also cause electromicturation, when the police taze you, thinking you have a bomb. |
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| 11:35.13 | DocScrutinizer | heh :-D |
| 11:35.24 | RST38h | Doc: Check out the comments: : |
| 11:35.29 | RST38h | https://meego.com/community/blogs/imad/2011/update-intel |
| 11:35.59 | ruskie | SSL handshake failed: A TLS fatal alert has been received. <-- hahahaha |
| 11:36.19 | RST38h | "One of the most important supplies that you must have is the bee suit. You need to wear this every time you will go near the bees because miu miu sale this will serve as your protection against their stings." <=== yesssss |
| 11:36.43 | RST38h | "It is really exiting that we will have a truly linux device in our hands." <=== oh yeaaaah |
| 11:36.59 | ruskie | you mean that N900 was not a truly linux device? |
| 11:37.34 | RST38h | It was not really exiting. |
| 11:37.42 | RST38h | N950 will be really exiting linux device though |
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| 11:41.25 | Trewas | if it is the same hardware which was planned to be released last autumn it may not be all that exciting |
| 11:42.04 | SpeedEvil | wonders about greasemonkey scripts to remove facebook 'like' thumbs. |
| 11:42.09 | ruskie | as long as it doesn't run x86 it'll be fun |
| 11:43.18 | SpeedEvil | I don't care about x86. |
| 11:43.36 | SpeedEvil | If intel manage to get power usage down to something reasonable. |
| 11:43.38 | SpeedEvil | Then fine. |
| 11:44.08 | SpeedEvil | More competition in the low-power space is great. |
| 11:44.22 | SpeedEvil | T-gates are an interesting possible gain. |
| 11:46.31 | lardman | so why did the Haramattan talk get cancelled? |
| 11:46.44 | lardman | not talk, the thing on the Sat or Sun that Dave emailed about |
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| 11:54.21 | lardman | I wonder if kerio clicked his heels to transform like that |
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| 11:55.21 | kerio | long story |
| 11:55.31 | lardman | np :) |
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| 12:04.03 | ZogG | <RST38h> N950 will be really exiting linux device though // that's what they said about n900 as well |
| 12:04.41 | ZogG | n950 is much thicker than n900 |
| 12:05.10 | ZogG | it's not cool, as Boris said, weight is realability |
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| 12:05.21 | ZogG | if you can't shoot you can always hit with it |
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| 12:05.23 | Wedo | hi guys ... |
| 12:05.40 | Wedo | anyone here ? |
| 12:06.04 | ZogG | nope |
| 12:06.09 | Wedo | hehe :D |
| 12:06.11 | ZogG | everyone is out buying n950 |
| 12:06.41 | Wedo | ... there is no such a thing ? :P |
| 12:07.40 | E0x | heh |
| 12:07.47 | Wedo | ... there is no such a thing ? :P? |
| 12:08.08 | Wedo | anyway |
| 12:08.14 | Wedo | i need some help about my N900. |
| 12:08.20 | Wedo | they told me to connect here and ppl will help me out |
| 12:10.14 | ruskie | well you actually need to describe your problem first |
| 12:10.19 | ruskie | else nobody will be able to help you at all |
| 12:10.56 | Wedo | oh |
| 12:11.08 | Wedo | wel. i saw ppl on utube installing Android on N900. |
| 12:11.17 | Sc0rpius | yeah but don't do that |
| 12:11.24 | Wedo | may i know why >? |
| 12:11.31 | Sc0rpius | it's extremely slow and useless |
| 12:11.38 | Wedo | uh... |
| 12:11.40 | chem|st | Wedo: hi |
| 12:11.40 | Sc0rpius | you can't make calls or send SMS the last time I tested it |
| 12:11.53 | Sc0rpius | you can do it, and show it off to your friends that your phone runs Android |
| 12:11.57 | Sc0rpius | but it's not for the end user |
| 12:12.04 | chem|st | Sc0rpius: sms should work but still no sound for calls |
| 12:12.11 | Sc0rpius | well, still pretty useless then |
| 12:12.15 | chem|st | +1 |
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| 12:12.30 | chem|st | Wedo: stay away from anything but maemo for now |
| 12:12.35 | Sc0rpius | and since rebooting the N900 is a HEAVY battery drain, you can't go around rebooting the phone from Android to Maemo and viceversa all the time |
| 12:12.49 | Wedo | oh.. |
| 12:12.58 | Wedo | so i should stay onMaemo 5 ? |
| 12:13.17 | Wedo | i dont know how to talk privatly chemIst lol :S |
| 12:13.39 | Wedo | What about the Nitdroid thingy ? |
| 12:13.40 | ruskie | /msg nick whatever |
| 12:13.47 | chem|st | I tested two versions of nitdroid and was impressed of the work the guys did, hours after the public release by google but got rid of it in seconds... |
| 12:13.47 | Wedo | oh oky ty |
| 12:13.53 | ruskie | and there is no I there it's | ;) |
| 12:14.00 | chem|st | Wedo: no need for private talks |
| 12:14.17 | Wedo | sorry 1 question. Nitdroid is good or bad ? |
| 12:14.20 | ruskie | fonts need to be more readable... |
| 12:14.25 | chem|st | ruskie: ever used nick-completion? |
| 12:14.51 | chem|st | my font just shows fine but 1l |
| 12:15.19 | Wedo | NITdroid is good or bad guys ? |
| 12:15.24 | chem|st | for me 1 one and l "lowercase-L" are just the same |
| 12:15.26 | ruskie | chem|st, always ;) wrong person ;) |
| 12:15.34 | ruskie | chem|st, then you have a crappy font ;) |
| 12:15.38 | ruskie | mine is just fine |
| 12:15.44 | chem|st | Wedo: bad in terms of usability and where it comes from |
| 12:15.47 | ruskie | iI|1l all look different |
| 12:16.02 | Wedo | So i should put ito n my N900 or .. ? |
| 12:16.09 | chem|st | the first three look different indeed |
| 12:16.13 | Wedo | I just wana my mobile to look cooler and be faster and stuff |
| 12:16.19 | Sc0rpius | to me it's very bad |
| 12:16.20 | chem|st | Wedo: ..or not |
| 12:16.30 | Sc0rpius | I installed it one, and use it like twice for 2 minutes each |
| 12:16.33 | chem|st | Wedo: faster? then not |
| 12:16.40 | Sc0rpius | once |
| 12:16.43 | Wedo | so android and Nitdroid r totally useless for me .. |
| 12:16.45 | E0x | is not bad is just a unfinish work |
| 12:16.49 | Wedo | oh |
| 12:16.52 | Sc0rpius | faster? hehehe |
| 12:16.57 | E0x | Wedo: you need learn decide for you own |
| 12:17.03 | E0x | you check the all aspect of something |
| 12:17.04 | Sc0rpius | Nitdroid is so slow it's unbearable |
| 12:17.06 | E0x | and decise |
| 12:17.07 | Wedo | Im just new. i bought it like a month ago |
| 12:17.15 | Wedo | thats why i dunno anything :S |
| 12:17.23 | E0x | the research |
| 12:17.29 | E0x | google is you friends |
| 12:17.34 | E0x | and the power search at maemo |
| 12:17.43 | Wedo | oky mr. |
| 12:18.05 | chem|st | Wedo: as you got your device now for 2 month and are quiet new to linux environment as well I suggest to stay on maemo maybe activate testing repository but NO devel and have a look around what suits you |
| 12:18.30 | chem|st | Wedo: I get performance issues with wifi+IM at the moment especially skype... |
| 12:18.41 | kerio | skype is huge |
| 12:19.01 | Wedo | hm.. |
| 12:19.11 | ruskie | well skype will just get worse now that M$ owns it |
| 12:19.17 | E0x | i will stop using skype , well i only have 3 ppl anyway |
| 12:19.23 | ruskie | I never used skype at all |
| 12:19.48 | ruskie | my msn account is deleted... my yahoo account is deleted... |
| 12:20.06 | chem|st | as long as people don't use clients capable to do jabber VoIP+video... |
| 12:20.08 | ruskie | it's nice that they finally added a permanent delete option in those |
| 12:20.08 | E0x | i saw in the forum the subject about smartflex is getting hot again |
| 12:20.20 | E0x | some ppl say work great some ppl say is bad |
| 12:20.21 | E0x | etc |
| 12:20.24 | ruskie | chem|st, assuming you need those ;) |
| 12:20.25 | chem|st | ~smartflex |
| 12:20.55 | chem|st | ruskie: one is my girl^^ |
| 12:20.56 | E0x | chem|st: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?s=b7d7d79fd1a156d1becee900bf88b527&t=73040&page=6 |
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| 12:21.38 | E0x | the tech world will awesome if everybody follow standards |
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| 12:24.07 | chem|st | E0x: OC crap?! |
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| 12:24.40 | E0x | ~smartreflex |
| 12:24.53 | E0x | chem|st: power manage of arm |
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| 12:25.15 | E0x | http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wtbu/wtbugencontent.tsp?templateId=6123&navigationId=12032&contentId=4609 |
| 12:25.35 | chem|st | Wedo: still clueless? |
| 12:25.43 | Wedo | wel. |
| 12:25.46 | Wedo | i got the idea now |
| 12:25.48 | Wedo | but im confused |
| 12:25.57 | Wedo | the Nitdroid will amke my mob lox awesome and stuff. |
| 12:25.59 | chem|st | may we enlighten you? |
| 12:26.01 | Wedo | but i wont be able to call or sms |
| 12:26.10 | Wedo | but the Maemo |
| 12:26.13 | Wedo | will make it look kinda bad |
| 12:26.17 | chem|st | ? |
| 12:26.17 | Wedo | but it`ll be perfect in use |
| 12:26.21 | Wedo | for calls and sms |
| 12:26.45 | chem|st | kinda bad? show me one device that can do things like start a full openoffice suite?! |
| 12:26.47 | Wedo | so thats the problem |
| 12:27.04 | ruskie | hmm nice... my work SIP account almost works well on the N900... just for some reason when someone is calling me it doesn't ring... |
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| 12:27.26 | chem|st | why do you think maemo is bad? you "for sure" did not see it's limits yet |
| 12:27.45 | Wedo | maybe :P |
| 12:28.04 | ruskie | maemo actually is great |
| 12:28.05 | chem|st | the hardware remains the same no matter what OS you install |
| 12:28.16 | E0x | ruskie: i read something about the same at tmo |
| 12:28.36 | Wedo | i guess imma stay with Maemo5 then :D |
| 12:28.39 | E0x | ( no ring for SIP account ) |
| 12:28.51 | chem|st | and if you like to PWN your friends just turn of their TV once in a while |
| 12:29.00 | chem|st | stay far away from his remote |
| 12:29.02 | ruskie | E0x, in my case it's not no ring... it simply the PBX doesn't connect to send a call incoming signal |
| 12:29.08 | ruskie | E0x, it works fine on the n95 though |
| 12:29.34 | E0x | oh |
| 12:29.35 | ruskie | I can dial out though |
| 12:29.37 | Wedo | xD ? |
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| 12:29.57 | chem|st | Wedo: maybe in the near future the powermanagement of meego improves so it gets more reliable |
| 12:30.02 | ruskie | might need to change some settings somewhere |
| 12:30.13 | Wedo | awesome |
| 12:30.19 | Wedo | thx alot u`ve been a great help guys |
| 12:30.23 | ruskie | and maybe the UX improves to actually be usable |
| 12:31.12 | chem|st | meego is still in massive development and not for normal users, but with maemo you got already all the power in your pocket to make any iProwner or Droid wet his pants |
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| 12:31.44 | ruskie | as far as I'm concerned maemo did that already |
| 12:31.59 | chem|st | ruskie: read again! |
| 12:32.05 | ruskie | gah |
| 12:32.20 | ruskie | sorry but our office still doesn't have AC turned on and it's insanely hummid |
| 12:32.27 | ruskie | so my brain isn't working as it should |
| 12:32.28 | E0x | yes meamo have some little limitations and is not already fixed by community because nokia no release some parts of it |
| 12:33.00 | chem|st | true but MohammadAG et al do an awesome job with the CSSU |
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| 12:33.27 | E0x | chem|st: yes , indeed |
| 12:33.53 | E0x | but like Doc say CSSU is now more for feature add that bug solving |
| 12:33.59 | E0x | i am think is missing the point |
| 12:34.14 | E0x | but CSSU anyway is still a great great job |
| 12:34.28 | Macer | damn |
| 12:34.32 | Macer | thought this mail for exchange would work |
| 12:34.40 | Macer | it keeps hanging at calendar and tasks |
| 12:34.46 | chem|st | yeah you cant fix bugs in closed source parts |
| 12:35.00 | Macer | that sucks :/ |
| 12:35.00 | chem|st | apart from replacing them completely |
| 12:35.43 | chem|st | Macer: with what? google? no! with µ$-exchange kind of! |
| 12:36.52 | Macer | huh? |
| 12:37.00 | Macer | yes |
| 12:37.08 | chem|st | which par, lol |
| 12:37.14 | Macer | i'm using mail for exchange to sync with google |
| 12:37.15 | chem|st | s/par/part/ |
| 12:37.18 | Macer | the calendars are getting stuck |
| 12:37.25 | Macer | during the first sync |
| 12:37.44 | Macer | it's just kind of sitting there with no completion bar and a rotating blinking circle |
| 12:37.45 | chem|st | Macer: calendar and contacts never worked for me - contacts only one way google -> n900 |
| 12:38.00 | Macer | well. that sucks :) |
| 12:38.36 | chem|st | yes but that is not maemo's MfE fault it is the borked implementation of active sync by google |
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| 12:38.59 | Macer | well. some people seemed to have gotten it to work ;) |
| 12:39.19 | Macer | the contacts are what i really want |
| 12:39.23 | Macer | email syncs :) |
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| 12:39.44 | Macer | yeah it keeps getting stuck on the first sync of the calendar |
| 12:39.56 | chem|st | "some people seemed to have gotten it to work"? there is nothing to manipulate so how should they be able to achieve this? |
| 12:40.21 | Macer | who knows |
| 12:40.30 | Macer | i'm trying with the calendar disabled |
| 12:40.38 | Macer | to see if i can sync email and contacts |
| 12:40.42 | Macer | the contacts are what i really want |
| 12:40.49 | Macer | email would be a plus but i can use imap |
| 12:40.59 | Macer | the calendar is meh.. i don't think i've ever used it |
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| 12:41.42 | chem|st | contacts only one way |
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| 12:42.17 | Macer | well the one way isn't coming this way ;) |
| 12:42.21 | ruskie | haha gmail and imap that's a joke |
| 12:42.22 | Macer | you said server -> n900 right? |
| 12:42.37 | Macer | i can't seem to get that to even work |
| 12:42.39 | ruskie | maybe they'll fix it one day |
| 12:42.42 | chem|st | yeah google -> n900 |
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| 12:43.07 | Macer | maybe i am just being impatient |
| 12:43.08 | ruskie | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/05/18/apple_sim/ <-- why do we need an even tinier SIM? |
| 12:43.09 | chem|st | it gave an error but I had the "4" contacts on device afterwards |
| 12:43.12 | Macer | but the calenar seemst o just sit there |
| 12:43.25 | Macer | as does the contacts |
| 12:43.35 | Macer | during the first sync.. this sucks. i was excited about this :) |
| 12:44.21 | chem|st | I collect all emails on my own servers imap anyway, was just trying if it is usable and it denied |
| 12:46.41 | Macer | oh wait. i think i know what the problem might be |
| 12:46.53 | Macer | it is probably processing all the email since i said to "sync all" |
| 12:46.58 | Macer | :) that was probably a bad idea |
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| 12:50.02 | Macer | sure was |
| 12:50.21 | Macer | 0 contacts? |
| 12:50.34 | ruskie | nobody likes you ;) |
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| 12:51.38 | Macer | got it |
| 12:51.38 | Macer | :) |
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| 12:51.46 | Macer | where do you set how often it syncs? |
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| 12:52.22 | Macer | oh nm |
| 12:53.12 | Macer | chem|st: let me see if i can get it to sync a new contact to the server :) |
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| 12:55.25 | Macer | chem|st: it synced from the n900 to google |
| 12:55.27 | Macer | email works too |
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| 12:56.16 | chem|st | mmh |
| 12:56.22 | chem|st | ok contacts never worked |
| 12:56.47 | chem|st | maybe some of the vcf3 standards the n900 uses arent supported |
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| 12:58.48 | Macer | it is all working ;) |
| 12:59.00 | Macer | going from server <-> n900 |
| 12:59.05 | Macer | i am about to test out the calendar stuff |
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| 13:09.10 | Macer | hm. the calendars didn't seem to wrok.. well.. calendar |
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| 13:22.52 | RST38h | "A combination of Moore's law and Android will bring down corrupt and authoritarian regimes over the coming years, Eric Schmidt declared at a Google conference on Privacy today." |
| 13:23.39 | RST38h | Drugs and their effects on the corporate public relations, a study. |
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| 13:41.28 | xxdareaperxx | Hi |
| 13:41.39 | xxdareaperxx | i kind of got into a problem |
| 13:41.44 | xxdareaperxx | my phone starts with the white LED ligh |
| 13:41.47 | xxdareaperxx | with the Nokia logo |
| 13:41.49 | xxdareaperxx | but it shuts down again |
| 13:42.07 | xxdareaperxx | i installed nitdroid with multi boot , it worked ... but all of a sudden it just shut down |
| 13:42.13 | xxdareaperxx | i worked fine even after several boots and stuff |
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| 13:44.28 | xxdareaperxx | anyone there ? |
| 13:45.29 | xkr47 | battery level low ? |
| 13:45.55 | xxdareaperxx | uh replaced the battery |
| 13:45.58 | xxdareaperxx | i had another one |
| 13:46.02 | xxdareaperxx | same problem |
| 13:46.05 | xxdareaperxx | so weird |
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| 13:47.53 | lcuk | xxdareaperxx, make sure the spare battery is charged up |
| 13:48.04 | xxdareaperxx | i'll just plug it to the charger |
| 13:48.10 | xxdareaperxx | oh okay |
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| 13:50.45 | xxdareaperxx | connected to charger |
| 13:50.49 | xxdareaperxx | it just shows a dull nokia logo |
| 13:50.53 | xxdareaperxx | and it keeps buzzing |
| 13:50.55 | xxdareaperxx | no light also |
| 13:51.09 | xkr47 | what happens if you press the power button at this point ? |
| 13:51.11 | lcuk | sounds like you might need to try reflashing |
| 13:51.29 | xxdareaperxx | ok |
| 13:51.30 | xxdareaperxx | fine i'll reflash it |
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| 13:56.13 | xxdareaperxx | This is what i have to download right ? RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2.003_PR_COMBINED_003_ARM.bin |
| 13:56.19 | xxdareaperxx | mines the middle east firmware |
| 13:56.26 | xxdareaperxx | i got the windows flasher btw |
| 13:56.29 | xxdareaperxx | and installed it |
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| 14:01.27 | mer_ge | mozilla's "latest-beta" repo doesnt update firefox to 4.0.1 here. doesn anyone have the same problem? |
| 14:02.04 | Macer | damn |
| 14:02.12 | Macer | looks like syncing calendars only seems to work one way |
| 14:02.15 | Macer | i have tried everything |
| 14:02.24 | Macer | but making an entry from the phone just stalls out mail for exchange :( |
| 14:02.35 | Macer | it just stays at synchronizing forever |
| 14:04.40 | Macer | that is so lame :) |
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| 14:14.23 | lolcat | Jay me |
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| 14:14.35 | lolcat | 4900NOK in return for my N900 |
| 14:14.41 | villev | my mfe has been broken since my company upgraded to new exchange server |
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| 14:15.36 | xxdareaperxx | lucky |
| 14:15.41 | xxdareaperxx | luck * |
| 14:15.43 | xxdareaperxx | you there ? |
| 14:15.48 | lolcat | Who? |
| 14:15.59 | xxdareaperxx | says here : Run the following command (TIP: Do not include '-R' if you are flashing EMMC as well, see below): flasher-3.5.exe -F RX-51_2009SE_2.2009.51-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R |
| 14:16.01 | xxdareaperxx | should i reflash the EMMC ? |
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| 14:23.29 | chem|st | xxdareaperxx: depends |
| 14:23.38 | chem|st | tell the whole story please |
| 14:23.54 | chem|st | ~seen lucky |
| 14:23.58 | infobot | lucky <~lucky@unaffiliated/lucky> was last seen on IRC in channel #norganna, 164d 17h 13m 56s ago, saying: 'and I'm on US realms. '. |
| 14:25.19 | chem|st | xxdareaperxx: if you want your device "clean" like from the factory you flash the EMMC too, if you only want to reflash your root-fs you don't |
| 14:27.01 | Macer | damn |
| 14:27.09 | chem|st | o_O |
| 14:27.11 | Macer | damn calendar entries |
| 14:27.15 | chem|st | hehe |
| 14:27.18 | Macer | if i make one from the phone it just sits there |
| 14:27.21 | Macer | trying to sync |
| 14:27.30 | Macer | i can delete them and they disappear from google |
| 14:27.39 | Macer | and if i make one in google calendars it gets to the phone |
| 14:28.03 | Macer | but making one from the phone and trying to sync just makes it try to sync forever |
| 14:28.15 | chem|st | why you even try? |
| 14:28.24 | xxdareaperxx | ok reflashed |
| 14:28.28 | xxdareaperxx | ty |
| 14:28.32 | Macer | chem|st: everything works except this :) |
| 14:28.33 | chem|st | xxdareaperxx: ;) |
| 14:28.33 | Macer | too bad |
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| 14:28.41 | Macer | almost got exited about using maemo |
| 14:28.49 | Macer | at least the contacts and email works |
| 14:29.04 | chem|st | Macer: create a contakt with all fields you got entered "all", and try to sync that! |
| 14:29.15 | chem|st | contact... |
| 14:30.14 | Macer | such as? |
| 14:31.40 | chem|st | Macer: well all contact details like accounts and birthday and everything |
| 14:32.43 | DocScrutinizer | friggin drive by users |
| 14:32.45 | chem|st | as far as I am concerned... I do not want to sync my contacts to google ever |
| 14:32.54 | Macer | ok |
| 14:33.04 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: who what and if yes how many |
| 14:33.16 | DocScrutinizer | xxdareaperxx |
| 14:33.32 | DocScrutinizer | how many? actually zero |
| 14:33.35 | chem|st | yea like that 300% speed thread |
| 14:33.41 | chem|st | just idiots |
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| 14:34.22 | DocScrutinizer | just started to tell him about friggin multiboot and his only option is to flash rootfs, and never again install that shit |
| 14:34.25 | pupnik | let's make something and make money |
| 14:34.50 | chem|st | I should setup a support hotline 5â¬/min |
| 14:34.59 | DocScrutinizer | I'll join |
| 14:35.15 | pupnik | why chem|st, are you hot? |
| 14:35.33 | chem|st | pupnik: video call costs 5⬠Xtra |
| 14:35.45 | DocScrutinizer | "oooh, nitdroid. Sorry sir, that's our special helpline, which is 0900foobar and costs 15$/min" |
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| 14:36.49 | chem|st | we can try with paypal links in here... charging for the help if it's cause is stupidness |
| 14:37.31 | chem|st | like a fee-r.to.do.it.ever.again |
| 14:37.53 | pupnik | #bash has that technique perfected |
| 14:37.55 | *** topic/#maemo by DocScrutinizer -> Welcome to #maemo http://maemo.org/intro/ | http://maemo.nokia.com/ | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council | Source: http://wiki.maemo.org/Sources | Chanlog: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | PROBLEMS WITH NITDROID/MULTIBOOT? reflash rootfs, and keep clear of that shit! (we're fed up with 3 user requests / day) |
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| 14:38.19 | chem|st | _o/ |
| 14:38.20 | pupnik | heh nice |
| 14:38.29 | chem|st | ~topic |
| 14:39.14 | pupnik | did you see the animation i did for nokia? used an old song of mine too http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVAwoFZKUSQ |
| 14:39.21 | pupnik | that was how i felt about n900 |
| 14:39.33 | pupnik | before management crapped on it |
| 14:39.49 | pupnik | all hopeful and happy |
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| 14:43.02 | *** mode/#maemo [+o DocScrutinizer] by ChanServ |
| 14:43.19 | *** topic/#maemo by DocScrutinizer -> Welcome to #maemo http://maemo.org/intro/ | http://maemo.nokia.com/ | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council | Source: http://wiki.maemo.org/Sources | Chanlog: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | PROBLEMS WITH NITDROID/MULTIBOOT? reflash rootfs&kernel aka COMBINED, and keep clear of that shit! (we're fed up with 3 user requests / day) |
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| 14:45.56 | lardman | lol @ topic |
| 14:46.21 | lardman | but if somone comes here to ask, they aren't likely to read the topic of course... |
| 14:52.38 | chem|st | lardman: http://tinyurl.com/paypal-dostortugas |
| 14:52.49 | chem|st | is what they get |
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| 15:00.51 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, may I suggest pointing to #nitdroid |
| 15:02.37 | DocScrutinizer | I can't do that as I refuse to even join that channel, to check if it's real |
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| 15:03.27 | DocScrutinizer | even less I know if you can get any semi-decent help to the issue there |
| 15:04.19 | DocScrutinizer | I'd guess the users of that channel are as ignorant about the issue as are the devels of nitdridiot |
| 15:05.17 | DocScrutinizer | otherwise nitdriodiot would've adopted uBoot long ago |
| 15:06.11 | DocScrutinizer | even streamlined their "distro" to be boot-compatible with meego |
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| 15:07.58 | chem|st | nuts |
| 15:08.18 | DocScrutinizer | (just change uBoot menu wording from "2) meego" to "2) uSD (meego/nitdoid)") |
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| 15:13.58 | DocScrutinizer | even "2) uSD partition-set A \n 3)uSD partition-set B \n 4) uSD partition-set C \n 5) eMMC partitons-set A \n 6) eMMC partition-set B" |
| 15:16.39 | DocScrutinizer | where partition-set N is the Nth partition with ext-fs and a file /boot/vmlinuz |
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| 15:19.44 | DocScrutinizer | chem|st: me? |
| 15:21.38 | chem|st | droids |
| 15:21.42 | DocScrutinizer | yeah |
| 15:21.56 | chem|st | iPrones and others |
| 15:22.31 | pupnik | iphones are iprions |
| 15:23.24 | chem|st | pupnik: they arent infective, it must be something genetical |
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| 15:23.49 | chem|st | dailylinux: test achieved |
| 15:24.48 | chem|st | iPrune would fit too in german |
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| 15:47.23 | chem|st | dawn is also nuts! |
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| 16:02.39 | pupnik | ISRAEL HAS RECENTLY CREATED A BRANCH OF MILITARY INTELLIGENCE TASKED WITH SEEKING-OUT AND CONFRONTING INDIVIDUALS SUSPECTED OF 'DELIGITIMIZING' ISRAEL ABROAD. -- THAT KNOCK ON THE DOOR MIGHT BE A MAGAZINE SALESMAN, OR IDF |
| 16:02.57 | RST38h | Why all caps though? |
| 16:03.08 | pupnik | for fun |
| 16:03.21 | pupnik | looks more 'cable' like |
| 16:04.05 | RST38h | For fun, I would expect some pictures of evil Mossad commandos sodomizing a typical US liberal |
| 16:04.18 | RST38h | No pictures, no game =) |
| 16:04.28 | SpeedEvil | IDF personell don't do that. |
| 16:04.33 | SpeedEvil | They just shoot them in the head. |
| 16:04.38 | RST38h | Will do. |
| 16:05.14 | pupnik | note the recent goldstone retraction :) |
| 16:05.50 | SpeedEvil | Random. There is a new version of powertop. http://freshmeat.net/projects/powertop/releases/327025 |
| 16:05.54 | SpeedEvil | Not for n900 of course. |
| 16:06.00 | SpeedEvil | (well - not without some porting. |
| 16:08.21 | RST38h | Speed: will it work on omap? |
| 16:09.04 | SpeedEvil | I have doubts. |
| 16:10.02 | chem|st | *facepalm* |
| 16:10.33 | chem|st | off |
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| 16:24.49 | GeneralAntilles | pupnik: this is a good'un http://reason.com/blog/2011/05/18/no-right-to-resist-rogue-cops |
| 16:26.38 | RST38h | What is the sound of contraband being destroyed? |
| 16:27.00 | RST38h | Will chewing on a box of cuban cigars count? |
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| 16:31.35 | pupnik | GeneralAntilles: indiana is now tardistan |
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| 16:52.00 | Sazpaimon | what's the N900's microsd card reader's max speed |
| 16:53.36 | slonopotamus | dd if=/dev/zero of=/home/user/file bs=4096 count=some_big_number should tell you |
| 16:53.55 | Sazpaimon | I don't have a class 10 card to test |
| 16:54.01 | Sazpaimon | just a generic classless card |
| 16:54.08 | SpeedEvil | Sazpaimon: About 12M/s |
| 16:54.15 | SpeedEvil | Sazpaimon: For both internal and external. |
| 16:54.18 | Sazpaimon | is that read or write? |
| 16:54.34 | SpeedEvil | both - write speed will depend also on the card speed more than read |
| 16:54.43 | SpeedEvil | I have a very cheap card that does 12M read |
| 16:55.08 | slonopotamus | both? that's weird, read should be faster |
| 16:55.16 | Sazpaimon | so it can take any class and use it to its max? |
| 16:55.37 | SpeedEvil | The write and read speeds are the same - from a hardware limit of the reader perspective. |
| 16:56.22 | Sazpaimon | so it could handle up to a class 12 |
| 16:56.29 | Sazpaimon | should such a card ever exist |
| 16:57.10 | SpeedEvil | dunno how the classes work - I just tried with dd |
| 16:57.20 | Sazpaimon | the class is the max sustained write speed |
| 16:58.35 | slonopotamus | Sazpaimon: http://forum.nitdroid.com/index.php?topic=398.0 |
| 16:59.10 | slonopotamus | ah, nvm, he tests n900 <-> usb speed |
| 17:00.01 | slonopotamus | enjoys running revodrive ssd @ 450MBps read :) |
| 17:00.09 | Sazpaimon | right now I'm trying to find a card with the best random write speed |
| 17:00.24 | Sazpaimon | I want to move swap to microsd and see if there's an improvement |
| 17:00.33 | Sazpaimon | but not a lot of cards document their random write speed |
| 17:01.05 | SpeedEvil | That's as it can be as low as a few dozen K a second. :) |
| 17:01.38 | Sazpaimon | which is why windows phone kept gobbling up microsd cards a while back |
| 17:02.08 | slonopotamus | Sazpaimon: i think it is safe to buy class 6 card |
| 17:02.12 | Sazpaimon | because windows phone OS saw microsd cards as part of the phone's space, and treated it as such |
| 17:02.35 | Sazpaimon | slonopotamus, I can't just pick up a class 6 card and expect it to have great random write speeds |
| 17:03.14 | slonopotamus | so, pick a class 6 card with fast random writes :) |
| 17:03.22 | Sazpaimon | http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=13676412&postcount=87 here's a good post |
| 17:03.30 | Sazpaimon | it documents random writes of different cards |
| 17:04.43 | Sazpaimon | looks like class 4 may be the way to go |
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| 17:04.52 | RST38h | Ah |
| 17:04.55 | RST38h | thanks |
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| 17:06.01 | Sazpaimon | nobody seems to have tested any 32GB cards which is what I REALLY want |
| 17:06.40 | SpeedEvil | I vaguely recall a couple of peeps saying they workr. |
| 17:06.46 | SpeedEvil | However - I haven't run out of space. |
| 17:06.54 | SpeedEvil | I only have a 1G card in. |
| 17:07.09 | Sazpaimon | well like I said, I'm going to use my card and partition it off |
| 17:07.30 | Sazpaimon | put swap on some of it, and either nitroid or meego on another, leave the rest for storage |
| 17:07.35 | RST38h | Looks like the random4k write speed has nothing to do with the card class |
| 17:07.44 | SpeedEvil | Pretty much not. |
| 17:07.45 | Sazpaimon | RST38h, nope |
| 17:07.49 | RST38h | BUT, I doubt Linux will be doing 4k writes to these cards |
| 17:07.51 | SpeedEvil | Swap speed can be 50K/s or so. |
| 17:07.59 | SpeedEvil | In the pessimal case. |
| 17:08.08 | Sazpaimon | RST38h, swap uses a lot of random writes |
| 17:08.09 | RST38h | 128kB-512kB is more typical |
| 17:08.14 | SpeedEvil | needs to get that flash-circularisation layer. |
| 17:08.17 | SpeedEvil | done |
| 17:08.24 | RST38h | Sazpaimon:But swap has a setting of how much data to write at once |
| 17:08.30 | SpeedEvil | Based on nbd |
| 17:08.32 | RST38h | and it is set to something like 256kB afaiik |
| 17:08.39 | SpeedEvil | RST38h: That means nothing. |
| 17:08.51 | RST38h | It does mean something |
| 17:08.59 | SpeedEvil | Or almost nothing. |
| 17:09.01 | RST38h | means the 4k speed is not the value you want to look at |
| 17:09.41 | Sazpaimon | you think i should be looking at 512KB? |
| 17:10.15 | RST38h | most likely |
| 17:10.26 | SpeedEvil | 512K may be the initial swap write size. |
| 17:10.34 | SpeedEvil | It does not stay that way on fragmentation. |
| 17:10.35 | Sazpaimon | problem is it seems the higher the class, the lower the random write speed |
| 17:10.44 | Sazpaimon | it seems inversely proportional |
| 17:11.41 | Sazpaimon | http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=13819977&postcount=112 check out the last rating |
| 17:12.03 | Sazpaimon | 17MB sequential write, and 2.7MB 512K random write |
| 17:12.09 | Sazpaimon | i think we have a winner |
| 17:12.51 | RST38h | SpeedEvil:If it swaps always in 512kB chunks, it will get fragmentedin exactly these chunks |
| 17:13.19 | RST38h | Sazpaimon:Do notice how speed may vary wildly for the same card make/class/model |
| 17:13.30 | RST38h | Seems to depend on the card rather than its model |
| 17:13.40 | Sazpaimon | that's true |
| 17:13.56 | Sazpaimon | it definately couldn't hurt though |
| 17:13.59 | SpeedEvil | RST38h: I don't think you can set the swap algorithm to do that. |
| 17:14.11 | RST38h | Speed: There is a setting. |
| 17:14.32 | SpeedEvil | still wants to do his circulariser. |
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| 17:19.12 | SpeedEvil | Any new block write to a virtual swap device is taken as a delete. The real write happens at a 'head' pointer, which skips over very dense areas, and consolidates less dense areas. |
| 17:20.51 | SpeedEvil | 'is taken as a delete of the block in that location' |
| 17:21.05 | ShadowJK | 512k random write is "trivial"... You want to know the speed under 4k random write :) |
| 17:21.14 | SpeedEvil | You would get better results if you had more info as to what the swap alforithm actually wanted to throw away. |
| 17:22.16 | SpeedEvil | wonders if swap might support trim at some point. |
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| 17:24.15 | ShadowJK | The current swap algorithm in maemo is like the circulariser, without garbage collection and trim |
| 17:24.33 | ShadowJK | plotted access patterns |
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| 17:25.12 | SpeedEvil | yeah |
| 17:25.32 | SpeedEvil | read is almost free. |
| 17:25.43 | SpeedEvil | Writing additional data is almost free. |
| 17:26.06 | ShadowJK | http://enivax.net/jk/kswapd.png the sector of each kswapd write was recorded. Plotted on the Y axis... |
| 17:26.16 | ShadowJK | You can see it writes sequentially until it reaches the end of the device |
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| 17:26.32 | ShadowJK | then there's a few chunks of sequentialish, and thne it's mostly random |
| 17:26.53 | ShadowJK | the dots in teh random area get smaller and smaller |
| 17:26.56 | keks-n|2 | sup |
| 17:27.24 | keks-n|2 | Monodevelop seems to be almost stable and I want to move it to etras |
| 17:27.31 | keks-n|2 | What should I do? |
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| 17:28.57 | SpeedEvil | Do you have block write size recorded anywhere? |
| 17:29.09 | ShadowJK | no |
| 17:30.24 | SpeedEvil | Plotting that in 3d, with the third dimension being latency would be cool too. |
| 17:30.32 | ShadowJK | this was with /proc/sys/vm/block_dump, it came out as 4k requests all the time |
| 17:32.06 | SpeedEvil | Where does that dump to? |
| 17:32.07 | SpeedEvil | Oh |
| 17:32.12 | SpeedEvil | That's handy! |
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| 17:32.57 | ShadowJK | Protip: running syslog at the same time is bad idea |
| 17:33.11 | ShadowJK | iirc I did cat /proc/kmsg | awk |
| 17:33.12 | ShadowJK | :) |
| 17:33.44 | SpeedEvil | I'm probably going to get syslog to throw it over the wall at another system I think. |
| 17:34.20 | DocScrutinizer | hmm |
| 17:34.32 | DocScrutinizer | ? |
| 17:34.34 | DocScrutinizer | 0 |
| 17:34.42 | SpeedEvil | you need to set it to 1 |
| 17:34.55 | SpeedEvil | [11818.359254] pidgin(2862): dirtied inode 333864 (2011-05-18.180446+0100BST.txt) on sda1 |
| 17:34.58 | SpeedEvil | then pops up |
| 17:36.08 | DocScrutinizer | aah, thnx |
| 17:36.22 | jacekowski | WTF |
| 17:36.32 | jacekowski | i've heard something about microsoft buying nokia |
| 17:36.47 | SpeedEvil | Outright? |
| 17:36.49 | DocScrutinizer | :x |
| 17:36.52 | MohammadAG | old rumor, BS from good ol' eldar |
| 17:36.57 | SpeedEvil | Seems unlikelyish. |
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| 17:37.59 | DocScrutinizer | check stock, will tell |
| 17:38.16 | ShadowJK | went up on the rumours |
| 17:38.53 | SpeedEvil | Not much though |
| 17:38.59 | SpeedEvil | It's been bouncing around 8.5 |
| 17:39.01 | Sazpaimon | someone made an #eldork hashtag on twitter |
| 17:39.16 | SpeedEvil | Since feb |
| 17:39.23 | DocScrutinizer | whatever that means |
| 17:39.54 | ShadowJK | eldar, eldork |
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| 18:11.26 | javispedro | bah, I much preferred the old days when instead of creating 600+ posts threads of plain BS over a _single_ screenshots of the interface we had intelligent people running the new device sw stack |
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| 18:12.26 | javispedro | I ponder why nobody asked why the "multitasking view" is different from the meegotouch task switcher... |
| 18:12.55 | javispedro | the latter being more webos-like. |
| 18:12.58 | javispedro | I bet noone realized... |
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| 18:13.50 | RST38h | Heya javispedro |
| 18:13.58 | MohammadAG | oh yay javispedro's back, again |
| 18:14.04 | javispedro | evening RST38h, MohammadAG |
| 18:14.06 | MohammadAG | checks if cyanogen's out this time |
| 18:14.17 | RST38h | javispedro: these entities do not know what meegotouch task switcher is |
| 18:14.32 | javispedro | MohammadAG: again, but armed with an informatics degree this time! |
| 18:14.37 | RST38h | javispedro: they may have seen a screenshot of course, but it was a while ago, and they are not big on longterm memory |
| 18:14.47 | MohammadAG | congrats javispedro ! |
| 18:15.39 | javispedro | RST38h: as I was saying, a complete waste. |
| 18:15.43 | javispedro | roots for qwerty12 |
| 18:16.26 | RST38h | qwerty had a point |
| 18:16.47 | javispedro | ty MohammadAG |
| 18:16.53 | javispedro | MohammadAG: bet you did lots of new interesting things? ;) |
| 18:17.26 | MohammadAG | javispedro, just discovered how hard C APIs are :p |
| 18:17.52 | MohammadAG | particularly maemo's well -cough- coded ones |
| 18:18.02 | MohammadAG | oh and I got my driver's license, but that's unrelated :p |
| 18:18.13 | javispedro | hey, I got one of those too. |
| 18:19.15 | javispedro | omg toshiba makes a 4'' 720x1280 screen |
| 18:19.37 | RST38h | yep |
| 18:19.49 | MohammadAG | but you don't live in a country that tortures their drivers for 2 years :p |
| 18:20.53 | chx | javispedro: omg which device |
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| 18:21.43 | javispedro | MohammadAG: 2 full years? O.O here that would mean more than 10000⬠in taxes |
| 18:22.02 | chx | javispedro: hitach i announced a screen like that at 4.5 inches back in feb |
| 18:22.06 | javispedro | chx: none ( http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/18/toshiba-declares-victory-in-pixel-density-war-367ppi-coming-to/ ) |
| 18:22.08 | MohammadAG | javispedro, well, fact is I can't go alone for 3 months |
| 18:22.34 | MohammadAG | I have to have someone over 24 years old with a license |
| 18:22.34 | MohammadAG | given that all my friends are 20 or under, or busy with uni, that means parents |
| 18:22.44 | javispedro | uh |
| 18:22.49 | MohammadAG | the rest of the 2 years I can't carry more than 2 other people with me |
| 18:23.06 | javispedro | ah, I see. |
| 18:23.47 | MohammadAG | javispedro, btw, rules apply to everyone, even those over 30 years old |
| 18:23.51 | RST38h | Otellini: ARM servers 'ain't gonna work' |
| 18:25.40 | RST38h | Mohammad: Haven't you got public transportation? |
| 18:27.09 | javispedro | microsoft spain is funding an event where they will exchange 3 1/2 floppy disks for "4-port usb hubs" |
| 18:27.44 | MohammadAG | RST38h, yeah, but you know how buses should stop at bus stops ONLY? |
| 18:27.51 | javispedro | ponders what kind of marketing strategy is that one |
| 18:28.00 | chx | OK so i just goot catched up on the news -- it seems this time the N9 might be real -- but who is oging to develop apps for it i wonder |
| 18:28.00 | MohammadAG | they stop where anyone wants here |
| 18:28.07 | MohammadAG | a 5 minute trip = 1 hour |
| 18:28.39 | RST38h | Mohammad: Yeah. No minibuses though? |
| 18:28.40 | MohammadAG | RST38h, Israel's also building a train/metro |
| 18:28.50 | MohammadAG | of course, that's been since 2004 I think |
| 18:28.52 | RST38h | Mohammad: these stop at request |
| 18:28.56 | MohammadAG | it's still being tested |
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| 18:29.48 | MohammadAG | RST38h, that's the point, all buses stop at request |
| 18:29.48 | MohammadAG | that means 10 stops every 5 minutes |
| 18:29.58 | RST38h | Ah, I see |
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| 20:55.58 | Macer | ok i give up |
| 20:56.01 | Macer | calendars just don't work :) |
| 20:56.02 | Macer | too bad |
| 20:56.18 | Macer | well..... works to the point where google can send to the n900 but not vice versa |
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| 20:57.09 | zsolt | hi there.is it possible to put maemo to nokia e90? |
| 20:57.42 | zsolt | i don't like symbian,well I seen an article about maemo |
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| 20:59.33 | zsolt | or mameo just for tablet phones? |
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| 21:02.56 | SpeedEvil | Maemo is composed of open source, and binary components. |
| 21:03.17 | SpeedEvil | The opensource bits cannot work without the closed source parts, which are only designed and licenced to run on teh n900 |
| 21:05.23 | zsolt | thank you |
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| 21:07.43 | Macer | SpeedEvil: well maybe someone should fix mail for exchange :) |
| 21:07.50 | Macer | so the damn calendars work with google |
| 21:08.05 | Serpher | Can any program made to run on Linux run on maemo? |
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| 21:08.21 | Serpher | Also can Android apps run on Maemo? I saw Angry Birds on one. |
| 21:08.57 | lcuk | angry birds is available on maemo natively |
| 21:09.06 | lcuk | Serpher, depends on the libraries required |
| 21:09.21 | Serpher | Couldn't I just intstall those libraries? |
| 21:09.21 | lcuk | and how much faff you want, re porting and screenresolution |
| 21:09.32 | lcuk | and whether the app was designed for .... blah blah |
| 21:09.56 | Serpher | Ok, would I be able to install Android on an N900 and still have it fully functional? |
| 21:10.01 | lcuk | Serpher, if the library has not been added to repositories already, someone will have to do it |
| 21:10.11 | lcuk | what is android? |
| 21:10.34 | Serpher | lcuk: Couldn't I just get the source code and compile it on the tablet? Also Android the phone OS made by Google. |
| 21:10.50 | Serpher | It uses Linux just with modified "clean" headers. |
| 21:11.28 | lcuk | Serpher, depends what you mean by "just", you can certainly download minimal required sdk and build stuff |
| 21:11.55 | lcuk | but time and disk space are the normal limitations, along with non standard busybox tooling |
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| 21:13.51 | Serpher | What do you mean by "busybox tooling"? |
| 21:14.47 | lcuk | Serpher, not standard gnu tools, so things which normal builds require (like tar for instance) use the slightly modified versions |
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| 21:15.03 | lcuk | installing the gnu tools themselves have a bit of an issue too |
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| 21:15.28 | Serpher | Couldn't I just work around that by installing those variations of the tools? |
| 21:15.33 | lcuk | yes |
| 21:15.43 | lcuk | but the maemo boot scripts use the variations.. |
| 21:16.13 | lcuk | so, you either have standard tools and potential bootup issues, or non standard tools and sdk build issues |
| 21:16.21 | BCMM | ok, so I think my N900 USB port has gone now |
| 21:16.36 | BCMM | what can I do? does nokia still repair these? how much does it cost? (UK) |
| 21:16.41 | lcuk | BCMM, is it still physically connected? |
| 21:16.43 | Serpher | lcuk: Guess I'll just have to play around with it when I get my N900. |
| 21:16.49 | lcuk | yep |
| 21:17.01 | BCMM | lcuk: yes, but it looks a little twisted |
| 21:17.23 | SpeedEvil | BCMM: Free warranty for 2 years |
| 21:17.24 | lcuk | BCMM, I did mine with a little fold of card |
| 21:17.32 | SpeedEvil | AIUI |
| 21:17.34 | lcuk | it pushed the usb connector back onto the board |
| 21:17.42 | BCMM | i mean, it appears slightly rotated relative to the phone's case |
| 21:17.47 | BCMM | also, no data or power seems to go through |
| 21:18.03 | BCMM | lcuk: did what? jammed it back in to position? |
| 21:18.21 | BCMM | SpeedEvil: what does warranty mean? new/fixed n900, or new phone that isn't an n900? |
| 21:18.28 | SpeedEvil | new fixed |
| 21:18.29 | SpeedEvil | AIUI |
| 21:18.30 | lcuk | yes, it was a bit finnicky, so I did that |
| 21:18.40 | SpeedEvil | Spare parts are still available |
| 21:18.55 | BCMM | pretty sure it's been less than 2 years |
| 21:19.04 | SpeedEvil | It has. |
| 21:19.20 | BCMM | still hasn't been out two years, has it? |
| 21:19.29 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 21:19.37 | BCMM | my thinking was that the 18mo contract i had when i got it is still going |
| 21:19.56 | BCMM | so what? i ring up nokia and i can get them to fix it for me? |
| 21:20.03 | SpeedEvil | As I understand it, yes. |
| 21:20.07 | BCMM | thanks |
| 21:20.25 | BCMM | anyone here done this, and happen to know which bit of nokia i should call? |
| 21:21.02 | BCMM | oh, this warranty, is it possible to void it from the software side? |
| 21:21.06 | BCMM | (without overclocking) |
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| 21:21.58 | SpeedEvil | I doubt it in practice. |
| 21:22.11 | SpeedEvil | In theory, you can intentuionally destroy the phone |
| 21:22.22 | SpeedEvil | Setting voltage regulators out of spec |
| 21:22.34 | BCMM | i guess i'm just used to stupid rules |
| 21:22.49 | SpeedEvil | backup first of course |
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| 21:22.51 | BCMM | from being a linux user and trying to hide this from laptop vendors |
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| 21:23.04 | BCMM | yeah, i know i need to backup |
| 21:23.13 | BCMM | since they might replace the whole unit or something |
| 21:23.18 | SpeedEvil | Indeed. |
| 21:23.28 | BCMM | HP was really cool about this, actually. they let me keep the laptop's HDs when i sent it in |
| 21:23.39 | BCMM | even seemed pleased i was reducing their shipping weight that way |
| 21:24.13 | BCMM | but i know that some laptop vendors will try and void it for installing a different OS on, so i guess being used to that made me paranoid that custom kernels and so on would be a problem |
| 21:25.24 | SpeedEvil | Speaking personally, I'd wipe it and flash it. |
| 21:25.26 | SpeedEvil | Oh |
| 21:26.19 | BCMM | SpeedEvil: ha ha. |
| 21:26.21 | BCMM | :) |
| 21:26.28 | BCMM | flashing is the only reason i care |
| 21:26.50 | BCMM | i mean, you can get external battery chargers, and i very seldom use mass storage mode anyway |
| 21:27.16 | BCMM | sftp FTW; cables are fiddly |
| 21:27.41 | BCMM | but i thouroughly intend to brick this device many more times in the future |
| 21:27.49 | BCMM | having to not risk a reflash would be boring |
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| 21:28.43 | SpeedEvil | rsync |
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| 21:29.57 | Serpher | Can anybody tell my why Maemo > Android or Android > Maemo? I'm split on what I should get. I'm scared I won't get the app selection Android has. |
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| 21:32.34 | Sc0rpius | if you want tons of applications get Android |
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| 21:32.58 | Sc0rpius | if you want a very powerful phone with real multitasking and don't bother to code your own software, then get Maemo or wait a little longer to get a Meego phone |
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| 21:34.51 | BCMM | Serpher: maemo is a proper linux distro |
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| 21:35.07 | BCMM | it has it's idiosyncracies, but it has glibc, xorg, and so on |
| 21:35.29 | BCMM | you can basically recompile a linux application for ARM and run it on maemo |
| 21:35.52 | BCMM | (though obviously the UI could usually use a few tweaks, like bigger buttons) |
| 21:36.18 | Serpher | I want maemo because I can do a lot with Linux, but I want my smartphone to feel like a proper smartphone like Android/iOS |
| 21:36.34 | BCMM | well, what makes it a "proper" one? |
| 21:37.02 | BCMM | i may not have used android/iOS enough to understand this |
| 21:37.14 | BCMM | the n900 mostly feels like a proper laptop to me |
| 21:37.21 | Serpher | I'm scared it'll be much like Linux is on the Desktop xD. Yes, it's terrific and makes sense but you miss out on a lot like gaming and high-quality apps. |
| 21:37.42 | BCMM | there is a much smaller selection of applications, yes |
| 21:38.03 | BCMM | though i wouldn't call android's nor apple's app stores a haven of high-quality apps |
| 21:39.16 | Serpher | I guess I'll have a look around OVI |
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| 21:39.30 | BCMM | i wouldn't bother with ovi, tbh |
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| 21:39.43 | BCMM | well, most of hte stuff i use isn't from there, anyway |
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| 21:39.54 | BCMM | the open-source stuff is largely in maemo extras |
| 21:40.00 | BCMM | ovi store is the "app store" |
| 21:40.16 | BCMM | it's where you get angry birds and gimicky things |
| 21:40.21 | BCMM | there may even be a fart app, dunno |
| 21:40.57 | BCMM | here's an example of why i find the proper smartphone OSs somewhat amusing: |
| 21:41.13 | BCMM | saw people on slashdot arguing about the best SSH clients for iOS and android |
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| 21:42.27 | BCMM | actually, where would one go to get an overview of the most popular maemo extras apps? |
| 21:43.39 | MohammadAG | http://talk.maemo.org/thankedposts.php?since=365 ? :P |
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| 21:45.28 | BCMM | MohammadAG: was that an answer to me? |
| 21:46.23 | BCMM | hmm, it's a page saying that most popular applications are ones MohammadAG was involved with... |
| 21:46.28 | BCMM | ;) |
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| 21:48.10 | Serpher | I think I'll probably end up going with the Maemo. I like the layout too much plus there's always the bonus of being able to be a pretentious neckbeard xD |
| 21:48.20 | BCMM | heh |
| 21:48.37 | BCMM | i'm really curious as to what a proper smartphone is supposed to be like |
| 21:48.59 | kerio | BCMM: it needs a nuclear battery, for one thing |
| 21:48.59 | BCMM | i mean, this is very much like using a desktop, since it's just X but with a WM that's suited to a small screen |
| 21:49.25 | BCMM | kerio: no, i want to carry it in my pocket :( |
| 21:49.42 | SpeedEvil | I have a nuclear fission device in my pocket. |
| 21:49.42 | Serpher | BCMM: I'll explain when I get back from dinner |
| 21:49.45 | SpeedEvil | It glows green. |
| 21:49.59 | BCMM | i mean, you do stuff with some application, alt-tab to some other application, close them when you're finished with them |
| 21:50.00 | SpeedEvil | (alas with only around 100nW of power.) |
| 21:50.01 | kerio | SpeedEvil: is it a glowing keychain? |
| 21:50.05 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 21:50.20 | BCMM | yes, it gets slow if you have to many open. desktops demonstrate that adults can deal with this and close something |
| 21:50.25 | BCMM | s/to/too/ |
| 21:50.45 | BCMM | SpeedEvil: tritium? |
| 21:50.53 | SpeedEvil | Indeed. |
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| 21:51.08 | SpeedEvil | I'd not be so happy to have most other glowing isotopes in my pocket. |
| 21:51.24 | SpeedEvil | Tritium is basically completley safe as long as you don't crack the container. |
| 21:51.36 | BCMM | yeah, really really efficient transformation of mass into light |
| 21:51.39 | BCMM | and no gamma produced |
| 21:51.40 | SpeedEvil | And if you do that, you need to crack it, while inhaling over a naked flame. |
| 21:51.51 | BCMM | yep |
| 21:52.07 | SpeedEvil | And do about 10 of those, and you've hit the maximum dose |
| 21:52.17 | BCMM | in general, only gamma is really dangerous, unless you somehow get it inside you |
| 21:52.23 | BCMM | at which point gamma is the least of your worries |
| 21:52.46 | SpeedEvil | There exist near-UV gammas. |
| 21:52.55 | BCMM | SpeedEvil: nice use of "do". somehow brings drugs to mind and now i can see somebody trying to snort tritium keychains |
| 21:52.55 | SpeedEvil | Well - one. |
| 21:54.10 | BCMM | damnit, why does my USB port have to go when the battery is almost flat? |
| 21:54.31 | BCMM | and i'm going to have to send it for repair when i want to be testing stuff on it |
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| 21:57.19 | BCMM | anyone in the UK sent their phone to Nokia for repair? how long does it tend to take? |
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| 22:04.38 | BCMM | oh wow |
| 22:04.53 | BCMM | just realised the implications of no USB |
| 22:05.18 | BCMM | before i send this to nokia, i need to do backups, over wlan, with no change to recharge... |
| 22:05.24 | BCMM | i'd better get started/ |
| 22:05.32 | BCMM | ^chance |
| 22:06.46 | kerio | BCMM: buy an external battery charger |
| 22:07.24 | BCMM | no, because as soon as shops open tomorrow, i'm sending the poor thing off to Nokia Care |
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| 22:09.35 | SpeedEvil | Got enough backups? |
| 22:09.43 | SpeedEvil | Deleted the crocodile porn? |
| 22:10.25 | BCMM | crocodiles? |
| 22:10.46 | BCMM | you know, that's weirdly similar to a conversation i was having a few hours ago. |
| 22:11.06 | BCMM | i pretty much do have backups |
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| 22:11.21 | BCMM | annoyingly, the recent changes i care about are photos i've taken lately |
| 22:11.55 | BCMM | SpeedEvil: Raw DNGs. 10MB each. |
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| 22:14.45 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 22:17.29 | BCMM | and i've been playing with HDR, so it's often 30 or 40 megabytes per shot... |
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| 22:18.47 | wblaze | BCMM: N900 can manage multi-exposure HDR? Or pseudo-hdr from a single shot? |
| 22:19.04 | BCMM | wblaze: well, it has a camera, and is programmable |
| 22:19.17 | BCMM | so exposure bracketing is inevitably possible |
| 22:19.20 | BCMM | i do it with fcamera |
| 22:19.41 | wblaze | seems a bit silly, but fun things often are |
| 22:19.50 | BCMM | hdr? |
| 22:19.56 | BCMM | yeah, i know it's a bit of a cliche |
| 22:20.02 | BCMM | but it's kind of fun |
| 22:20.21 | BCMM | fcamera is pretty cool |
| 22:20.40 | BCMM | it usually achieves all three exposures in in the same second |
| 22:20.51 | BCMM | the fcam API is even cooler |
| 22:21.49 | wblaze | To make this conversation a bit funnier, I was just looking into buying a N900 so I figured I'd hang out in here for a bit and see what peoples' thoughts were |
| 22:21.57 | wblaze | that in itself pretty much made up my mind to go for it. |
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| 22:23.30 | SpeedEvil | I'd hold off for a few days |
| 22:23.43 | SpeedEvil | It's possible that the meego device may be announced soon. |
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| 22:24.27 | wblaze | The new device is unlikely to cost <$300CAD unlocked without a contract |
| 22:24.32 | SpeedEvil | Indeed. |
| 22:24.35 | SpeedEvil | Fair point. |
| 22:24.56 | wblaze | and with my luck, it'll only have a soft-keyboard |
| 22:25.53 | wblaze | I've stuck with my Blackberry 9700 far too long for that single feature, and I'm rather tired of being stuck with RIM's firmware. |
| 22:30.45 | BCMM | wblaze: it's a lot of fun for photography |
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| 22:31.18 | BCMM | there is this fcam API, which basically gives complete control over the camera functions |
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| 22:32.05 | wblaze | I was actually just reading up on the featureset, it's rather nice |
| 22:32.26 | BCMM | so there is an open-source way to tell it to do things like fire the flash at this brightness at this time and take an exposure of this length with this ISO number, etc. etc. |
| 22:32.36 | BCMM | oh, and it can capture raw data in DNG format |
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| 22:33.50 | BCMM | wblaze: features of fcamera or the n900? |
| 22:34.06 | wblaze | if only my Canon 500D would do the same (DNG vs. RAW) |
| 22:34.30 | SpeedEvil | What's the difference? |
| 22:34.56 | wblaze | fcamera specifically, I've been looking at the n900 since it was released but was never quite affordable enough (imo) to be reasonable |
| 22:36.40 | SpeedEvil | It's a real pity the camera is not really 5MP |
| 22:36.55 | SpeedEvil | Well - there are 5 million pixels. |
| 22:37.21 | wblaze | SpeedEvil: essentially it's more portable and open, though http://www.adobe.com/products/photoshop/extend.displayTab2.html goes into much more detail |
| 22:37.23 | SpeedEvil | But the lens is not actually physically able to resolve due to being so teeny. |
| 22:37.45 | wblaze | yeah, there's only so much you can do with a cameraphone, though a good lens helps |
| 22:37.54 | SpeedEvil | Ah - right. |
| 22:37.54 | BCMM | SpeedEvil: RAW basically means any one of dozens of nonstandard raw formats from different cameras |
| 22:38.09 | BCMM | with differing degrees of hostility to reverse engineering |
| 22:38.28 | BCMM | DNG is a standard raw format + EXIF (i think) metadata |
| 22:38.30 | SpeedEvil | wblaze: yeah - and there is only so much you can do with an awesome cam and a 1.5mm lens. |
| 22:39.00 | wblaze | which is why I have a 500D for when the phone just doesn't cut it :) |
| 22:39.17 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 22:39.23 | BCMM | wblaze: btw, downsides of the camera: rolling shutter, noisy in low light, fixed aperture |
| 22:39.26 | SpeedEvil | I'd love a decent camera, with a decent open OS. |
| 22:39.26 | BCMM | other than that, it's awesome |
| 22:41.03 | BCMM | well, there goes the battery |
| 22:41.49 | BCMM | the really big advantage over most camera phones is that it has variable focus |
| 22:42.02 | BCMM | manually-controllable, of course |
| 22:45.05 | wblaze | my blackberry has variable focus, but I can't say I've ever been particularly thrilled by it |
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| 22:45.30 | wblaze | slow and rather terrible in low light |
| 22:47.06 | SpeedEvil | http://www.flickr.com/photos/14560445@N08/5237662575/in/photostream http://www.flickr.com/photos/14560445@N08/4687082204/in/photostream |
| 22:47.25 | SpeedEvil | A couple of my better snaps. |
| 22:48.35 | merlin1991 | I had the perfechet low light scenario for an awesome pic last weekend, but only the n900 at hand :/ |
| 22:48.57 | SpeedEvil | fcamera can help with that. |
| 22:50.24 | wblaze | SpeedEvil: that second photo is wonderful |
| 22:50.31 | trx | http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/221636_1703867831802_1091165610_31331465_4683407_n.jpg |
| 22:50.39 | trx | i take pics like this :) |
| 22:51.08 | SpeedEvil | wblaze: The subject is almost impossible to take a bad pic of. It's just so photogenic. |
| 22:51.09 | merlin1991 | SpeedEvil: what did you do to get the pics like they are? |
| 22:51.20 | SpeedEvil | merlin1991: What do you mean? |
| 22:51.32 | SpeedEvil | Both of those were straight uploads. |
| 22:51.50 | merlin1991 | when I take pics with the n900 I normally have some sort of "noise" in the picture |
| 22:52.00 | SpeedEvil | Those were in full sun. |
| 22:52.12 | SpeedEvil | Full sun helps lots |
| 22:52.12 | wblaze | SpeedEvil: true, but the focus and depth of field are rather impressive for a cellphone |
| 22:52.30 | BCMM | SpeedEvil: are those n900 shots? |
| 22:52.33 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 22:52.34 | merlin1991 | also I was wondering if you did them with the regular camera app |
| 22:52.41 | SpeedEvil | I think so. |
| 22:52.45 | SpeedEvil | (regular camera) |
| 22:53.04 | BCMM | wblaze: http://benmorris.org.uk/vNmp4Mw.jpeg my favourite of my photos, which i think shows uncameraphonelike focus |
| 22:53.34 | SpeedEvil | Yeah. You can get that effect - but you need to be really quite close to the subject. |
| 22:53.50 | BCMM | (i know it's somewhat poorly un-vignetted and i'd like to know if anyone know the right parameters to use with lensfun) |
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| 22:54.08 | BCMM | for shots like that, i set it to manual focus, 5cm (the minimum) |
| 22:54.11 | BCMM | then move the phone to focus it |
| 22:54.46 | BCMM | am i right in saying that most cameras will not focus as close as 5cm? |
| 22:54.56 | SpeedEvil | BCMM: It depends. |
| 22:55.34 | wblaze | BCMM: wow |
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| 22:55.58 | BCMM | wblaze: at photo or at n900's 5cm focus? |
| 22:56.07 | wblaze | photo |
| 22:56.09 | SpeedEvil | A480 - for example. |
| 22:56.13 | merlin1991 | SpeedEvil: was it blessn900 or fcamera or both that didn't work with the power kernel? |
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| 22:56.26 | BCMM | wblaze: thx :) |
| 22:56.33 | SpeedEvil | Will do 12mm vertical frame at minimum focus. |
| 22:56.40 | SpeedEvil | 5500DPI |
| 22:56.49 | BCMM | merlin1991: fcam and everything using it was broken for a bit |
| 22:56.54 | BCMM | it's all good now though |
| 22:57.01 | BCMM | i can't remember if bless used fcam at that point |
| 22:57.27 | SpeedEvil | I don't think fcam fills in exif |
| 22:57.49 | wblaze | 5cm is close, but not too impressive |
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| 22:58.07 | BCMM | SpeedEvil: not automatically, at least. you could check fcamera source code |
| 22:58.21 | BCMM | wblaze: for a compact though :) |
| 22:59.07 | wblaze | my 9700 (horrible phone to compare with, but it's what I have haha) will autofocus at ~3cm, I believe |
| 22:59.15 | wblaze | quick testing seems to confirm my memory, though |
| 22:59.42 | BCMM | wblaze: wow |
| 22:59.59 | BCMM | in my experience, the n900 autofocus is a bit of a pain that close |
| 23:00.08 | SpeedEvil | The A480 I mentioned above will go to about 2cm |
| 23:00.20 | BCMM | liable to choose the background instead of the subject |
| 23:00.29 | SpeedEvil | I was having problems with that. |
| 23:00.37 | BCMM | wblaze: fcamera has point focus though |
| 23:00.57 | SpeedEvil | I was trying to take pictures of a butterfly on a plant, and it kept focussing on the plant |
| 23:01.12 | SpeedEvil | (I couldn't use the screen) |
| 23:01.20 | BCMM | don't know if that's the right word, but i mean that you can tap the screen to show it which bit of the frame needs to be in focus |
| 23:01.21 | merlin1991 | hm install fcamera |
| 23:01.28 | SpeedEvil | I should have tried fcamera |
| 23:01.35 | merlin1991 | reboot phone -> tracker goes insane wtf? |
| 23:01.38 | BCMM | slower, though |
| 23:01.50 | BCMM | i mean, butterflies fly. |
| 23:02.04 | SpeedEvil | BCMM: I was trying to take pictures when it landed |
| 23:02.29 | BCMM | i was really lucky the other day when a frog decided to stand still for long enough for me to start fcam and focus it properly |
| 23:04.15 | SpeedEvil | http://www.mauve.plus.com/temp/butterfly.jpg |
| 23:04.29 | SpeedEvil | Showing the colour, but little else. |
| 23:04.34 | BCMM | oh wow |
| 23:04.40 | BCMM | you must really hate the autofocus now |
| 23:05.36 | wblaze | off topic, but I do have a question for those here - how do you feel about the N900 comparing it to more recent smartphones? Still holding up or looking to trade it in? |
| 23:06.37 | BCMM | wblaze: i want a modernised version of the n900 |
| 23:06.41 | SpeedEvil | http://www.mauve.plus.com/temp/frog.jpg |
| 23:06.50 | SpeedEvil | Some animals are easier to take pictures of. |
| 23:06.57 | BCMM | wblaze: but other smartphones are smartphones |
| 23:07.02 | BCMM | and the n900 is like a laptop |
| 23:07.21 | BCMM | SpeedEvil: wow! |
| 23:07.41 | BCMM | that toad is ugly and yet weirdly cute |
| 23:07.58 | BCMM | also, that photo puts my frog picture to shame |
| 23:08.00 | SpeedEvil | That was with extra light - keyring torch |
| 23:08.02 | BCMM | i'd post it, but it's on a dead n900 |
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| 23:08.24 | SpeedEvil | Oh - you can see the flash on the eye. |
| 23:08.32 | BCMM | that's weird |
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| 23:08.51 | BCMM | if i connect it to my computer by USB, i get a dim blinking orange light |
| 23:08.57 | BCMM | i mean, on the notification led |
| 23:10.10 | BCMM | any idea what that means? |
| 23:10.40 | BCMM | ah |
| 23:10.45 | BCMM | dmesg on hte PC is interesting |
| 23:10.55 | BCMM | "Cannot enable port 2. Maybe the USB cable is bad?" |
| 23:10.59 | SpeedEvil | It means it's booted, and is in linux |
| 23:11.00 | BCMM | thank you linux. if only. |
| 23:11.11 | BCMM | SpeedEvil: it isn't "on" |
| 23:11.13 | SpeedEvil | blinking, or throbbing? |
| 23:11.16 | BCMM | blinking |
| 23:11.17 | wblaze | BCMM: I was rather hoping for something like my netbook with a phone, so that sounds about perfect :) |
| 23:11.50 | BCMM | wblaze: do you use linux/bsd on a laptop/desktop? |
| 23:11.57 | wblaze | also, usually this is the type of photo I take on my phone, so I'm not really too demanding of it http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31511903&id=1423129623 |
| 23:12.08 | BCMM | SpeedEvil: blinking, rapidly, until the desktop gives up and says "suspend root hub" |
| 23:12.35 | wblaze | more often on servers, these days but yes a few of them still run linux |
| 23:13.37 | SpeedEvil | BCMM: Odd. |
| 23:13.47 | BCMM | wblaze: it's like a laptop in that it provides a normal-ish linux desktop, adapted for a small screen |
| 23:13.48 | SpeedEvil | BCMM: That sounds like some sort of power issue. |
| 23:14.09 | BCMM | SpeedEvil: i don't know if you've seen that the USB port is broken |
| 23:14.13 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 23:14.20 | BCMM | i'm just trying to get a little power into it so i can get the photos off |
| 23:14.27 | BCMM | earlier today, it was working intermitantly |
| 23:14.35 | SpeedEvil | I'm trying to think what the symptoms may be. |
| 23:15.11 | BCMM | wblaze: i mean, it is an ordinary X server with a window manager |
| 23:15.27 | BCMM | although all main windows are always maximised |
| 23:15.55 | BCMM | and it has a special way of displaying modal dialogs and so on |
| 23:16.42 | BCMM | SpeedEvil: fwiw, i can produce no such reaction with the power cable |
| 23:16.47 | BCMM | i mean, the wall charger |
| 23:17.40 | BCMM | power pins are longer than data in USB, right? |
| 23:17.52 | BCMM | i'm going to try half-plugging it in to the PC |
| 23:19.36 | BCMM | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:21.38 | SpeedEvil | Nope. |
| 23:21.55 | SpeedEvil | It should react to power on the V+ line |
| 23:22.09 | SpeedEvil | the orange light will go on nomatter if there are no other connections. |
| 23:24.24 | wblaze | BCMM: power pins are the outer pins on each side |
| 23:24.36 | SpeedEvil | finds processors.wiki.ti.com |
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| 23:24.52 | wblaze | and thanks :) |
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| 23:31.07 | BCMM | SpeedEvil: hmm. am i right in saying that simply drawing power from a USB port shouldn't make any dmesg output? |
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| 23:34.32 | SpeedEvil | No. |
| 23:34.40 | SpeedEvil | Unless you overload it. |
| 23:34.53 | SpeedEvil | It will not 'appear' on USB if plugged in when dead until it boots |
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| 23:46.16 | SpeedEvil | The n900 processor can go up to a gig of RAM. |
| 23:46.39 | SpeedEvil | The largest RAM I've found is 512M though in a compatible format though. |
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